Coronavirus treatments and vaccines thread

[boutons_deux]

BigPharma cashing in with Disaster Capitalism

first 2 Pfizer shots were $20, subsequent shots (same shit) $150 - $200

[SnakeBoy]

is this what COVID turning into the common cold looks like?

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Yep. It's going to infect everyone repeatedly. It doesn't turn into the common cold, we turn it into a common cold by adapting to it. Adaptive immune system is called that for a reason.

Those charts illustrate why I said long ago it's an ever rising tide rather than "waves".

Early on Laurie Garret thought it would take 3 years to make the first pass through the population whereas Amy Rosenfeld thought 5 years.

[DarrinS]

SnakeBoy

Did you know Vincent's wife worked on Ivermectin for 20+ years? :lol

@ 2:29:45


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G433fa01oMU

[SnakeBoy]

SnakeBoy

Did you know Vincent's wife worked on Ivermectin for 20+ years? :lol

@ 2:29:45


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G433fa01oMU

Yeah I watch that interview. Didn't know that ivermectin can't be synthesized and is only produced by a bacteria and Merck still owns rights to the bacteria.

That Lex guy sounds like he smokes a lot of weed

[DarrinS]

Yeah I watch that interview. Didn't know that ivermectin can't be synthesized and is only produced by a bacteria and Merck still owns rights to the bacteria.

That Lex guy sounds like he smokes a lot of weed


I don't think Merck has any IP rights on Ivermectin anymore. I could be wrong.

I enjoy listening to Vincent outside of his Twiv podcast. Very honest.

[SnakeBoy]

I don't think Merck has any IP rights on Ivermectin anymore. I could be wrong.

I enjoy listening to Vincent outside of his Twiv podcast. Very honest.

Merck doesn't have rights to the drug but they own the bacteria that produce the drug. So everyone that makes generic ivermectin has to pay Merck to use the bacteria.

I like Twiv too. It can be a long slog listening to an hour long discussion on exactly how TMPRSS2 cleaves the furin binding site to allow viral attachment but I find that stuff interesting.

[DarrinS]

Merck doesn't have rights to the drug but they own the bacteria that produce the drug. So everyone that makes generic ivermectin has to pay Merck to use the bacteria.

I like Twiv too. It can be a long slog listening to an hour long discussion on exactly how TMPRSS2 cleaves the furin binding site to allow viral attachment but I find that stuff interesting.


I didn't watch the entire thing. Did lab leak get mentioned? Vince gets very defensive about that.

[SnakeBoy]

I didn't watch the entire thing. Did lab leak get mentioned? Vince gets very defensive about that.

Lex mentioned it but they didn't really get into it. Looked like Lex did some editing :lol

[boutons_deux]

Does this enzyme raise the chance of COVID-related death?

Researchers discovered an enzyme that is genetically related to a key enzyme in snake venom and was found in COVID-19 fatalities in doses 20 times the safe amount.

the circulation of the sPLA2-11A enzyme may be an important method in predicting which patients would die of COVID-19 (https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/covid-19-study-quantifies-antibody-response-to-pfizer-moderna-vaccines-678587).

this enzyme is trying to kill the virus,

but at a certain point it is released in such high amounts that things head in a really bad direction,

destroying the patient's cell membranes and thereby contributing to multiple organ failure and death."

The analysis showed that most healthy people have approximately half a nanogram of the enzyme per milliliter, 63% of people who had severe COVID-19 and died had more than 10 nanograms per milliliter.

https://www.jpost.com/science/does-this-enzyme-raise-the-chance-of-covid-related-death-678710

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jkZXX7zPZg

[Blake]

Lol Darrin still cheering for the horse pills to work

[DarrinS]

Lol Darrin still cheering for the horse pills to work

I'm cheering for anything to work.

[spurraider21]

I'm cheering for anything to work.
Then wait for them to be proven effective before pushing them as a solution.

[DMC]

Then wait for them to be proven effective before pushing them as a solution.

:lol your first child isn't old enough to take an order from you and you're here telling grown fucking men what to do.

[Trainwreck2100]

BigPharma cashing in with Disaster Capitalism

first 2 Pfizer shots were $20, subsequent shots (same shit) $150 - $200

Trump got bent over on that booster agreement, pfizer turned a 3 shot into a 2 shot and J&J turned a two shot into a 1 shot, just so they could cash out on the booster, that should have never been a "booster"

[spurraider21]

:lol your first child isn't old enough to take an order from you and you're here telling grown fucking men what to do.
great non-point as usual, derp

[DMC]

great non-point as usual, derp

You understood the point just fine.

[spurraider21]

You understood the point just fine.
It’s an unintelligible point.

[Winehole23]

vaccines seem to protect against long COVID resulting from post-vaccination infection



the odds of having symptoms for 28 days or more after post-vaccination infection were approximately halved by having two vaccine doses. This result suggests that the risk of long COVID is reduced in individuals who have received double vaccination, when additionally considering the already documented reduced risk of infection overallhttps://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00460-6/fulltext

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-sJcABWYAElCWJ?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[Thread]

Trump got bent over on that booster agreement, pfizer turned a 3 shot into a 2 shot and J&J turned a two shot into a 1 shot, just so they could cash out on the booster, that should have never been a "booster"

We're all, all 350 million of us, + the another 30 million wet ones will start all over on the 20th of this month.

Get on your marks...wait for it now...

[Winehole23]

FLCCC guy, Paul Marik, what a beaut

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[DarrinS]

Whinehole on a mission lately. :lol

[Winehole23]

Whinehole on a mission lately. :lolI'm not anti-Ivermectin, I'm just wary of unethical grifters like Marik.

[Thread]

Whinehole on a mission lately. :lol

+ on the rag as well.

[DarrinS]

I'm not anti-Ivermectin, I'm just wary of unethical grifters like Marik.

What's the big payoff for advocating off label generics?

[DarrinS]

But its not even off label generic you dumb fuck. :lol

It's not even for covid you stupid fucks. :lol

Off-label use, you twit.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-label_use


Stromectol is generic Ivermectin.

[DMC]

:lol Titaneriffic getting sonned

[DarrinS]

Who's talking about stromectol? Please quote.

Nobody. MSM libtards too busy talking about horse paste.

Did you ever understand off-label use of medications?

[ChumpDumper]

Nobody. MSM libtards too busy talking about horse paste.Trumptards busy taking horse paste.

[DarrinS]

Trumptards busy taking horse paste.

Oklahoma hospitals filled with them. -Rolling Stone

[DarrinS]

I give my dog Benadryl for a skin issue. It just works

[ChumpDumper]

Oklahoma hospitals filled with them. -Rolling StoneNot overfilled.

Doesn't change the fact Trumptards are taking the paste.

Why are you trying to deny it?

[ChumpDumper]

I give my dog Benadryl for a skin issue. It just worksDo you give it enough for a full sized horse?

[DarrinS]

Do you give it enough for a full sized horse?

No.

[ChumpDumper]

No.The horse paste Trumptards are doing that to themselves and each other.

I have no idea why you refuse to ridicule that. I guess you really can't go against your team.

[ducks]

Daily US COVID cases up more than 300% from Labor Day last year

[DarrinS]

DMC get in here faggot. :lmao

Why? Your dipshit post already got obliterated. :lol

[DarrinS]

The horse paste Trumptards are doing that to themselves and each other.

I have no idea why you refuse to ridicule that. I guess you really can't go against your team.

I ridicule that. People shouldn't take veterinary medicine.

Doesn't appear to be a widespread issue

"JACKSON, Miss. (AP) — In an article published Aug. 23, 2021, about people taking livestock medicine to try to treat coronavirus, The Associated Press erroneously reported based on information provided by the Mississippi Department of Health that 70% of recent calls to the Mississippi Poison Control Center were from people who had ingested ivermectin to try to treat COVID-19. State Epidemiologist Dr. Paul Byers said Wednesday the number of calls to poison control about ivermectin was about 2%. He said of the calls that were about ivermectin, 70% were by people who had ingested the veterinary version of the medicine."

[ChumpDumper]

I ridicule that. People shouldn't take veterinary medicine.That's some hardcore ridicule right there, Don.

[Blake]

Why? Your dipshit post already got obliterated. :lol

Lol "oBLitErAtEd"

Why are you in here propping the horse meds? There's little to no evidence it works for covid. Are you trying to convince others or just yourself?

[daboom1]

https://i.ibb.co/VqBpGVW/IMG-20210908-001546.jpg

[Winehole23]

mandate the fucking vaccines


“Real liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own, whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others.”https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/09/08/vaccine-mandate-strong-supreme-court-precedent-510280

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/197/11/

[Winehole23]

he should have complied

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[Winehole23]

Moderna has 37 programs in development across 34 development candidates, including 22 in ongoing clinical studies, it said.

The company said it is working on a next-generation vaccine against Covid-19, mRNA-1283, and an early-stage study is fully enrolled. The vaccine encodes for the portions of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein the company said are critical for neutralization, and it is being developed as a potential refrigerator stable mRNA vaccine that will allow for easier distribution and administration by healthcare providers.
​https://www.marketwatch.com/story/moderna-advancing-single-dose-vaccine-combining-boosters-against-covid-19-flu-271631189478

[pgardn]

he should have complied

1435811561998782470

You work closely with THE PUBLIC for the government.
You interact closely. He got to make his point and got himself fired.
Now for the go fund me...

[DMC]

Lots of half truths floating around about the vaccines and how they affect people who have already had COVID and might have antibodies still. The best driver for this is the PCP and I've heard more than one of these people wishy washy on being vaccinated if you've already had COVID. Once you tell a conspiracy nut that, you'll likely never get them back.

[DMC]

Myths and Facts about COVID-19 Vaccines
Updated Sept. 7, 2021
Print
How do I know which COVID-19 vaccine information sources are accurate?

Accurate vaccine information is critical and can help stop common myths and rumors.

It can be difficult to know which sources of information you can trust. Before considering vaccine information on the Internet, check that the information comes from a credible source and is updated on a regular basis. Learn more about finding credible vaccine information.

Bust Common Myths and Learn the Facts
Are all events reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) caused by vaccination?
computer with an "x"
No. VAERS data alone cannot determine if the reported adverse event was caused by a COVID-19 vaccination. Anyone can report events to VAERS, even if it is not clear whether a vaccine caused the problem. Some VAERS reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. These adverse events are studied by vaccine safety experts who look for unusually high numbers of health problems, or a pattern of problems, after people receive a particular vaccine.

Recently, the number of deaths reported to VAERS following COVID-19 vaccination has been misinterpreted and misreported as if this number means deaths that were proven to be caused by vaccination. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem.

Learn more about VAERS.

Is the mRNA vaccine considered a vaccine?
Yes. mRNA vaccines, such as Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna, work differently than other types of vaccines, but they still trigger an immune response inside your body. This type of vaccine is new, but research and development on it has been under way for decades.

mRNA-graphics
The mRNA vaccines do not contain any live virus. Instead, they work by teaching our cells to make a harmless piece of a “spike protein,” which is found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19. After making the protein piece, cells display it on their surface. Our immune system then recognizes that it does not belong there and responds to get rid of it. When an immune response begins, antibodies are produced, creating the same response that happens in a natural infection.

vaccine-graphic
In contrast to mRNA vaccines, many other vaccines use a piece of, or weakened version of, the germ that the vaccine protects against. This is how the measles and flu vaccines work. When a weakened or small part of the virus is introduced to your body, you make antibodies to help protect against future infection.

Learn more about how mRNA COVID-19 vaccines work.

Do COVID-19 vaccines contain microchips?
hand holding a microchip
No. COVID-19 vaccines do not contain microchips. Vaccines are developed to fight against disease and are not administered to track your movement. Vaccines work by stimulating your immune system to produce antibodies, exactly like it would if you were exposed to the disease. After getting vaccinated, you develop immunity to that disease, without having to get the disease first.

Learn more about the ingredients in the COVID-19 vaccinations authorized for use in the United States.

Learn more about how mRNA COVID-19 vaccines work.

Can receiving a COVID-19 vaccine cause you to be magnetic?
Receiving a COVID-19 vaccine will not make you magnetic
No. Receiving a COVID-19 vaccine will not make you magnetic, including at the site of vaccination which is usually your arm. COVID-19 vaccines do not contain ingredients that can produce an electromagnetic field at the site of your injection. All COVID-19 vaccines are free from metals.

Learn more about the ingredients in the COVID-19 vaccinations authorized for use in the United States.

Do any of the COVID-19 vaccines authorized for use in the United States shed or release any of their components?
illustration of the shedding that happens with COVID-19 vaccine
No. Vaccine shedding is the term used to describe the release or discharge of any of the vaccine components in or outside of the body. Vaccine shedding can only occur when a vaccine contains a weakened version of the virus. None of the vaccines authorized for use in the U.S. contain a live virus. mRNA and viral vector vaccines are the two types of currently authorized COVID-19 vaccines available.

Learn more about mRNA and​ viral vector COVID-19 vaccines.

Is it safe for me to get a COVID-19 vaccine if I would like to have a baby one day?
illustration of person thinking about having a baby
Yes. COVID-19 vaccination is recommended for everyone 12 years of age or older, including people who are trying to get pregnant now or might become pregnant in the future, as well as their partners.

Currently no evidence shows that any vaccines, including COVID-19 vaccines, cause fertility problems (problems trying to get pregnant) in women or men. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and people who would like to have a baby.

Will a COVID-19 vaccine alter my DNA?
illustration of DNA strand
No. COVID-19 vaccines do not change or interact with your DNA in any way. Both mRNA and viral vector COVID-19 vaccines deliver instructions (genetic material) to our cells to start building protection against the virus that causes COVID-19. However, the material never enters the nucleus of the cell, which is where our DNA is kept.

Learn more about mRNA and​ viral vector COVID-19 vaccines.

Will getting a COVID-19 vaccine cause me to test positive for COVID-19 on a viral test?
illustration of positive COVID-19 test results
No. None of the authorized and recommended COVID-19 vaccines cause you to test positive on viral tests, which are used to see if you have a current infection.​

If your body develops an immune response to vaccination, which is the goal, you may test positive on some antibody tests. Antibody tests indicate you had a previous infection and that you may have some level of protection against the virus.

Learn more about the possibility of COVID-19 illness after vaccination


:lol

[Winehole23]

from the press release, but really cool if it holds up through the trials


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-2be3DXIAIFcoo?format=jpg&name=small

[Thread]

from the press release, but really cool if it holds up through the trials


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-2be3DXIAIFcoo?format=jpg&name=small

Usually takes 2-3 years at least, "even longer" to get to the consumer. Now? Come January, "maybe sooner."
tee, hee.

[pgardn]

Myths and Facts about COVID-19 Vaccines
Updated Sept. 7, 2021
Print
How do I know which COVID-19 vaccine information sources are accurate?

Accurate vaccine information is critical and can help stop common myths and rumors.

It can be difficult to know which sources of information you can trust. Before considering vaccine information on the Internet, check that the information comes from a credible source and is updated on a regular basis. Learn more about finding credible vaccine information.

Bust Common Myths and Learn the Facts
Are all events reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) caused by vaccination?
computer with an "x"
No. VAERS data alone cannot determine if the reported adverse event was caused by a COVID-19 vaccination. Anyone can report events to VAERS, even if it is not clear whether a vaccine caused the problem. Some VAERS reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. These adverse events are studied by vaccine safety experts who look for unusually high numbers of health problems, or a pattern of problems, after people receive a particular vaccine.

Recently, the number of deaths reported to VAERS following COVID-19 vaccination has been misinterpreted and misreported as if this number means deaths that were proven to be caused by vaccination. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem.

Learn more about VAERS.

Is the mRNA vaccine considered a vaccine?
Yes. mRNA vaccines, such as Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna, work differently than other types of vaccines, but they still trigger an immune response inside your body. This type of vaccine is new, but research and development on it has been under way for decades.

mRNA-graphics
The mRNA vaccines do not contain any live virus. Instead, they work by teaching our cells to make a harmless piece of a “spike protein,” which is found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19. After making the protein piece, cells display it on their surface. Our immune system then recognizes that it does not belong there and responds to get rid of it. When an immune response begins, antibodies are produced, creating the same response that happens in a natural infection.

vaccine-graphic
In contrast to mRNA vaccines, many other vaccines use a piece of, or weakened version of, the germ that the vaccine protects against. This is how the measles and flu vaccines work. When a weakened or small part of the virus is introduced to your body, you make antibodies to help protect against future infection.

Learn more about how mRNA COVID-19 vaccines work.

Do COVID-19 vaccines contain microchips?
hand holding a microchip
No. COVID-19 vaccines do not contain microchips. Vaccines are developed to fight against disease and are not administered to track your movement. Vaccines work by stimulating your immune system to produce antibodies, exactly like it would if you were exposed to the disease. After getting vaccinated, you develop immunity to that disease, without having to get the disease first.

Learn more about the ingredients in the COVID-19 vaccinations authorized for use in the United States.

Learn more about how mRNA COVID-19 vaccines work.

Can receiving a COVID-19 vaccine cause you to be magnetic?
Receiving a COVID-19 vaccine will not make you magnetic
No. Receiving a COVID-19 vaccine will not make you magnetic, including at the site of vaccination which is usually your arm. COVID-19 vaccines do not contain ingredients that can produce an electromagnetic field at the site of your injection. All COVID-19 vaccines are free from metals.

Learn more about the ingredients in the COVID-19 vaccinations authorized for use in the United States.

Do any of the COVID-19 vaccines authorized for use in the United States shed or release any of their components?
illustration of the shedding that happens with COVID-19 vaccine
No. Vaccine shedding is the term used to describe the release or discharge of any of the vaccine components in or outside of the body. Vaccine shedding can only occur when a vaccine contains a weakened version of the virus. None of the vaccines authorized for use in the U.S. contain a live virus. mRNA and viral vector vaccines are the two types of currently authorized COVID-19 vaccines available.

Learn more about mRNA and​ viral vector COVID-19 vaccines.

Is it safe for me to get a COVID-19 vaccine if I would like to have a baby one day?
illustration of person thinking about having a baby
Yes. COVID-19 vaccination is recommended for everyone 12 years of age or older, including people who are trying to get pregnant now or might become pregnant in the future, as well as their partners.

Currently no evidence shows that any vaccines, including COVID-19 vaccines, cause fertility problems (problems trying to get pregnant) in women or men. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and people who would like to have a baby.

Will a COVID-19 vaccine alter my DNA?
illustration of DNA strand
No. COVID-19 vaccines do not change or interact with your DNA in any way. Both mRNA and viral vector COVID-19 vaccines deliver instructions (genetic material) to our cells to start building protection against the virus that causes COVID-19. However, the material never enters the nucleus of the cell, which is where our DNA is kept.

Learn more about mRNA and​ viral vector COVID-19 vaccines.

Will getting a COVID-19 vaccine cause me to test positive for COVID-19 on a viral test?
illustration of positive COVID-19 test results
No. None of the authorized and recommended COVID-19 vaccines cause you to test positive on viral tests, which are used to see if you have a current infection.​

If your body develops an immune response to vaccination, which is the goal, you may test positive on some antibody tests. Antibody tests indicate you had a previous infection and that you may have some level of protection against the virus.

Learn more about the possibility of COVID-19 illness after vaccination


:lol

The bolded is sort of an interesting one for the actual virus.

https://www.pnas.org/content/118/21/e2105968118

We also know other mRNA viruses can use reverse transcriptase and in this way "hide" in our own DNA.

[Thread]

The bolded is sort of an interesting one for the actual virus.

https://www.pnas.org/content/118/21/e2105968118

We also know other mRNA viruses can use reverse transcriptase and in this way "hide" in our own DNA.

Bend over. I'll hide in your fuckin' DNA.

[spurraider21]

:lol Titaneriffic getting sonned
pretty sure titan is dabom

[Thread]

pretty sure titan is dabom

A double agent, 21?

[spurraider21]

A double agent, 21?
lots of people use alts

like guiseppe

dabom has had several accounts banned or pinked. titan is just his current one

[Thread]

lots of people use alts

like guiseppe

dabom has had several accounts banned or pinked. titan is just his current one

That wasn't an alt and you know it. I used it because I was kicked out.

[spurraider21]

That wasn't an alt and you know it. I used it because I was kicked out.
isnt guiseppe still active? why did you use this one?

[Thread]

isnt guiseppe still active? why did you use this one?

No.
Because she banned Guiseppe.

I've never in my life used alts. It's my religion.

If I get booted off I'd come back as somebody else, but I never hid. Everybody knew it was me, like Giuseppe, like Thread. Sure, I tiptoed lightly, smootched a little ass, mended some fences, tried to stay in the line-up, but I never operated alts, ever.

[DMC]

pretty sure titan is dabom

Definitely an offspring.

[Winehole23]

GOP death panel

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-5HLgwVkAQnYCu?format=jpg&name=large

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-4KT9cVcBQjyq3?format=jpg&name=medium

[SnakeBoy]

GOP death panel

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-5HLgwVkAQnYCu?format=jpg&name=large

You've turned into a good Biden bro Whinehole

https://static.wixstatic.com/media/9d0c49_cb590f7f8ca2425692cc7afc1d257aa1~mv2.gif

[daboom1]

https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1436188008781336581?s=19

https://i.ibb.co/2jf7X71/IMG-20210909-051016.jpg

[Winehole23]

You've turned into a good Biden bro Whinehole

https://static.wixstatic.com/media/9d0c49_cb590f7f8ca2425692cc7afc1d257aa1~mv2.gif
why is red team playing defense for SARS-CoV-2?

[Thread]

why is red team playing defense for SARS-CoV-2?

Anything to make Biden's row the roughest to hoe, Winester.

30 stacks of High Society is comin'---by Xmas.

[pgardn]

No.
Because she banned Guiseppe.

I've never in my life used alts. It's my religion.

If I get booted off I'd come back as somebody else, but I never hid. Everybody knew it was me, like Giuseppe, like Thread. Sure, I tiptoed lightly, smootched a little ass, mended some fences, tried to stay in the line-up, but I never operated alts, ever.

So...
Im definitely not a true member of this board. alt ... wtf... dont get it... talk to yourself like derp?
Never contacted a mod, never had a mod contact me, dont know a thing about Kori?
Put me on ignore. Its a requirement, a part of your religion.

[Thread]

So...
Im definitely not a true member of this board. alt ... wtf... dont get it... talk to yourself like derp?
Never contacted a mod, never had a mod contact me, dont know a thing about Kori?
Put me on ignore. Its a requirement, a part of your religion.

I [Ignore] no one.

It's my religion.

[spurraider21]

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[Winehole23]

https://media.makeameme.org/created/joe-biden-is-5b0ef6ee51.jpg

[Ef-man]

GOP Darwin Award contestants, come get your prize.

Unvaccinated people were 11 times more likely to die of covid-19, CDC report finds.

People who were not fully vaccinated this spring and summer were over 10 times more likely to be hospitalized, and 11 times more likely to die of covid-19 than those who were fully vaccinated, according to one of three major studies published Friday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that highlight the continued efficacy of all three vaccines amid the spread of the highly contagious delta variant.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/09/10/moderna-most-effective-covid-vaccine-studies/

[Winehole23]

feral Trumpistas will respond with violence when this happens

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[hater]

feral Trumpistas will respond with violence when this happens

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Why? Free country. Whoever wants to vax their babies/toddlers should be able to imo

[Winehole23]

Why? Free country. Whoever wants to vax their babies/toddlers should be able to imoand you will defend them

[Winehole23]

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[Thread]

feral Trumpistas will respond with violence when this happens

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Oh, you better believe it, daddy. WW3.

tee, hee.

[Thread]

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2-3 years before it's cleared for use. Maybe longer.

I'll keep totin' in the interim, Winester.

[Thread]

1121771757562683403

He's playin' possum, 21. He's countin' coup in front of the TV just like Dale is. tee, hee.

[Medvedenko]

He's playin' possum, 21. He's countin' coup in front of the TV just like Dale is. tee, hee.

Stop embarrassing yourself and spreading nonsense all over this forum. It's entertaining, but sad overall. Honestly, you must be really bored and life in blue state zona must be hard for you. Also as a fellow laker fan, I'm sad for you too.

[Thread]

Stop embarrassing yourself and spreading nonsense all over this forum. It's entertaining, but sad overall. Honestly, you must be really bored and life in blue state zona must be hard for you. Also as a fellow laker fan, I'm sad for you too.

You're selling me out too, eh, Meds?...

- "That tears it!!! I'm goin' on alone. I don't need you for what I got ta do."

- The Duke - "The Searchers"

[Medvedenko]

You're selling me out too, eh, Meds?...

- "That tears it!!! I'm goin' on alone. I don't need you for what I got ta do."

- The Duke - "The Searchers"

Yup cutting bait....shedding skin.

[Thread]

Yup cutting bait....shedding skin.

- "You'll remember me. Me and Concrete!"

- DeNiro - "This Boy's Life"

[RandomGuy]

GOP Darwin Award contestants, come get your prize.

Unvaccinated people were 11 times more likely to die of covid-19, CDC report finds.

People who were not fully vaccinated this spring and summer were over 10 times more likely to be hospitalized, and 11 times more likely to die of covid-19 than those who were fully vaccinated, according to one of three major studies published Friday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that highlight the continued efficacy of all three vaccines amid the spread of the highly contagious delta variant.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/09/10/moderna-most-effective-covid-vaccine-studies/

Ivermectin is just tide pods for Trumpers.

[daboom1]

Med was exiled a while back and sent to the tree of woe. (NBA forum)

Toxic as they come, he's probably doing you a favor Thread.

[Thread]

Med was exiled a while back and sent to the tree of woe. (NBA forum)

Toxic as they come, he's probably doing you a favor Thread (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19320).

Still is a shocker to see him leave me on the street like this. I'd a bet my last dollar he'd never do it. We've been thru all the Lakers shit together, held each other's hand in the trough of the terrible times, me giving him the Dutch uncle so he wouldn't get too low.

Meds

[DarrinS]

Ivermectin is just tide pods for Trumpers.

Fauci's NIH running a RCT on said tide pods

https://www.nih.gov/research-training/medical-research-initiatives/activ/covid-19-therapeutics-prioritized-testing-clinical-trials#activ6

[TDMVPDPOY]

so most of the new vaccines now are skipping monkey/chimp trials, and going straight into human arms for testing...nothing to see here, move along chums

[DMC]

GOP Darwin Award contestants, come get your prize.

Unvaccinated people were 11 times more likely to die of covid-19, CDC report finds.

People who were not fully vaccinated this spring and summer were over 10 times more likely to be hospitalized, and 11 times more likely to die of covid-19 than those who were fully vaccinated, according to one of three major studies published Friday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that highlight the continued efficacy of all three vaccines amid the spread of the highly contagious delta variant.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/09/10/moderna-most-effective-covid-vaccine-studies/

Shouldn't they all be dead by now?

Or won't they all just kill themselves out?

Basically you're using a really bad argument.

[ChumpDumper]

Jesus, DMC is stupid.

[spurraider21]

Shouldn't they all be dead by now?
no. covid doesnt have a 100% kill rate

[Ef-man]

Shouldn't they all be dead by now?

Or won't they all just kill themselves out?

Basically you're using a really bad argument.

If you are too lazy to read the article, you should hire someone to explain things to you; otherwise you will keep posting shit.

[DMC]

I guess DC won't have to worry about it.

[DMC]

If you are too lazy to read the article, you should hire someone to explain things to you; otherwise you will keep posting shit.

So you just regurgitated shit you don't understand like always.

[DMC]

no. covid doesnt have a 100% kill rate

Here's the argument

The vaccine works!
I am vaccinated so I am protected!
You are not vaccinated so you are not protected!
I cannot be around you because you are not vaccinated!
You'll die much more often than I will from this!
You're the problem though!

Instead of saying how deadly the virus is for the unvaxxed vs vaxxed, why not say what the odds of the vaxxed are from dying around other vaxxed vs being around unvaxxed? That at least says it's your business somehow. The other just says "I have your best interest in mind", and you should know by now that does not work against conservatives

[spurraider21]

Here's the argument
oh boy


The vaccine works!
true. vaccines help prevent infection, and in the event of a breakthrough case, reduce serious symptoms/hospitalizations/deaths. not 100%, but definitely works.

also, by both decreasing the chances of getting infected to begin with, plus decreasing the amount of time one carries covid, it also significantly reduces one's ability to spread covid to others. not 100%, but definitely works.


I am vaccinated so I am protected!
true. vaccines help prevent infection, and in the event of a breakthrough case, reduce serious symptoms/hospitalizations/deaths. not 100%, but definitely works.

also, by both decreasing the chances of getting infected to begin with, plus decreasing the amount of time one carries covid, it also significantly reduces one's ability to spread covid to others. not 100%, but definitely works.


You are not vaccinated so you are not protected!
true. unvaccinated people are unprotected because they dont enjoy the benefits of the above. as they are also more likely to contract covid, and to have covid for longer periods of time, they are significantly more likely to spread covid to others.


I cannot be around you because you are not vaccinated!
true! while vaccinated people are protected (as stated above), it's not 100%. being around somebody who is unvaccinated means they have an increased chance of having covid 19, and therefore shedding viral loads which would get vaccinated or unvaccinated people sick (though at a higher rate for unvaccinated people)


You'll die much more often than I will from this!
true!


You're the problem though!
true! if you are choosing not to be part of the group that mitigates the impact of covid, you are absolutely part of the problem


Instead of saying how deadly the virus is for the unvaxxed vs vaxxed, why not say what the odds of the vaxxed are from dying around other vaxxed vs being around unvaxxed? That at least says it's your business somehow. The other just says "I have your best interest in mind", and you should know by now that does not work against conservatives
people ignorant of the above are willfully ignorant at this point

[DMC]

oh boy


true. vaccines help prevent infection, and in the event of a breakthrough case, reduce serious symptoms/hospitalizations/deaths. not 100%, but definitely works.

also, by both decreasing the chances of getting infected to begin with, plus decreasing the amount of time one carries covid, it also significantly reduces one's ability to spread covid to others. not 100%, but definitely works.


true. vaccines help prevent infection, and in the event of a breakthrough case, reduce serious symptoms/hospitalizations/deaths. not 100%, but definitely works.

also, by both decreasing the chances of getting infected to begin with, plus decreasing the amount of time one carries covid, it also significantly reduces one's ability to spread covid to others. not 100%, but definitely works.


true. unvaccinated people are unprotected because they dont enjoy the benefits of the above. as they are also more likely to contract covid, and to have covid for longer periods of time, they are significantly more likely to spread covid to others.


true! while vaccinated people are protected (as stated above), it's not 100%. being around somebody who is unvaccinated means they have an increased chance of having covid 19, and therefore shedding viral loads which would get vaccinated or unvaccinated people sick (though at a higher rate for unvaccinated people)


true!


true! if you are choosing not to be part of the group that mitigates the impact of covid, you are absolutely part of the problem


people ignorant of the above are willfully ignorant at this point

So you're willfully ignorant that the argument doesn't work against conservatives?

[DMC]

Also natural immunity means "you're not vaccinated so you're not protected" isn't necessarily true. The feds don't give a shit about your story though, they just want military like compliance.

[spurraider21]

Also natural immunity means "you're not vaccinated so you're not protected" isn't necessarily true. The feds don't give a shit about your story though, they just want military like compliance.
this is true. though it has been demonstrated that even people with naturally immunity will have even more protection when vaccinated

[spurraider21]

So you're willfully ignorant that the argument doesn't work against conservatives?
if they're not receptive to facts, what's the alternative, lie to them?

add passages to the bible about the good word of covid vaccines?

[boutons_deux]

Convalescent plasma does not reduce risk of intubation or death for COVID-19 hospitalized patients

A major study has found that convalescent plasma does not reduce the risk of intubation or death for COVID-19 patients.

However, the study also revealed that the antibody profile in the blood of people who have had the virus is extremely variable and this may modify the response to the treatment.


It has been thought that the blood plasma of COVID-19 survivors would help those seriously ill from the virus but, unfortunately, it does not.

We are cautioning against using convalescent plasma to treat COVID-19 hospitalized patients, unless they are in a closely-monitored clinical trial."




https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210910/Convalescent-plasma-does-not-reduce-risk-of-intubation-or-death-for-COVID-19-hospitalized-patients.aspx

[DMC]

this is true. though it has been demonstrated that even people with naturally immunity will have even more protection when vaccinated

That's all that matters. "More better" isn't the goal for immunizations. If it was, only the most effective one would be mandated.

[DMC]

if they're not receptive to facts, what's the alternative, lie to them?

add passages to the bible about the good word of covid vaccines?
You're going to be running your mouths either way. You might as well tell them your true intent, which is to save your own asses because regardless the efficacy of the vaccine you have been given, you don't trust it enough to bet your life on it. You'd be more comfortable mentally if you could know those around you have taken it as well. And lets even be more honest... you want to make money. Everyone wants to make money. They can relate and even respect you for it over that fake ass "help me help you" bullshit.

[ElNono]

You're going to be running your mouths either way. You might as well tell them your true intent, which is to save your own asses because regardless the efficacy of the vaccine you have been given, you don't trust it enough to bet your life on it. You'd be more comfortable mentally if you could know those around you have taken it as well. And lets even be more honest... you want to make money. Everyone wants to make money. They can relate and even respect you for it over that fake ass "help me help you" bullshit.

Speak for yourself.

I make the same amount of money with or without the pandemic. Heck, the pandemic has been an actual economic plus to the industry I work on, so my wish is effectively against my monetary interests, but, everything isn't about money, tbh...

[spurraider21]

You're going to be running your mouths either way. You might as well tell them your true intent, which is to save your own asses because regardless the efficacy of the vaccine you have been given, you don't trust it enough to bet your life on it. You'd be more comfortable mentally if you could know those around you have taken it as well. And lets even be more honest... you want to make money. Everyone wants to make money. They can relate and even respect you for it over that fake ass "help me help you" bullshit.
The definition of public health includes me as well as them

[ElNono]

Frankly, the "help me help you" stage is long past... that was when vaccines came around and government decided to foot the bill for them.

We're in the "legally force alzheimer-riddled grandma to a senior living facility" stage...

[pgardn]

The definition of public health includes me as well as them

public health
public welfare
public cooperation

dont use these words with DMC.
This country works by a false Darwinian argument "I make more money than you, I compete with you, I am an individual competing against a group in my own species"

This is a theme in all his thinking. "Cooperation cant be good for both of us, it cant be equal, so it must be bad for one person, and it aint gonna be me"
Its such utter bullshit.

The conservative use of "survival of the fittest" is absolutely archaic.
It simple minded fetid waste thinking.

[Winehole23]

Frankly, the "help me help you" stage is long past... that was when vaccines came around and government decided to foot the bill for them.

We're in the "legally force alzheimer-riddled grandma to a senior living facility" stage...in the bad old days before the FDA, rough men broke into houses and vaccinated people forcibly...as recently as 117 years ago.

There's no constitutional right to spread disease.

[DarrinS]

in the bad old days before the FDA, rough men broke into houses and vaccinated people forcibly...as recently as 117 years ago.

There's no constitutional right to spread disease.

Let's not do that.

[Winehole23]

Let's not do that.It's not a recommendation, just an illustration of how much softer state power is in some respects.

[Winehole23]

mAnDaTeS aR tYraNnY!

[Winehole23]

Texas full court pressing against COVID mitigation

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[Winehole23]

folks dying of otherwise treatable conditions

this is what a failed public health system looks like

too bad Republicans are still playing D against mitigation and vaccines.

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[Winehole23]

tl;dr

Moderna 95% effective against hospitalization from Delta

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/pdfs/mm7037e2-H.pdf

[Winehole23]

Gout drug inhibits SARS-CoV-2 replication in hamsters

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-97658-w

[Winehole23]

leading from behind

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[SnakeBoy]

leading from behind

1436751573095440388

Was just looking at this yesterday. Amazing how badly Biden has fucked this up.

[DMC]

The definition of public health includes me as well as them

Put that on a bumper sticker. The problem with much of the left is that they do not know how to achieve their ideological goals.

[DMC]

leading from behind

1436751573095440388

The Virus Olympics. Japan might get a gold medal.

[DMC]

Gout drug inhibits SARS-CoV-2 replication in hamsters

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-97658-w

The problem with this is that a lot of gout sufferers also have glomerular filtration rate issues, which is why the uric acid levels are high to begin with. This medication won't be prescribed if they are related. Allopurinol will likely be prescribed instead.

[spurraider21]

Put that on a bumper sticker. The problem with much of the left is that they do not know how to achieve their ideological goals.
The problem with the left is that they represent a minority within the democrat party.

[Thread]

The problem with the left is that they represent a minority within the democrat party.

Please. Don't attempt to peddle that horseshit here, daddy-O. I'm back and I won't pu...I mean I never left and I won't put up with it.

Savvy?

[Ef-man]

The problem with the left is that they represent a minority within the democrat party.

Pearls before swine. Wasting your time.

[Thread]

Pearls before swine. Wasting your time.

Bend over. I'll put fuckin' pearls before swine.

[Ef-man]

Why do you think I put that idiot on ignore? He doesn't even try anymore.

No kidding. :lol

President Joe Biden must have butt-hurt him awfully bad.

[Thread]

No kidding. :lol

President Joe Biden must have butt-hurt him awfully bad.

Effy, talkin' to me thru bene.

tee, hee.

Eff? Lodge that cartoon with that little guy playin' Frisbee alone. Por favor?

[DMC]

The problem with the left is that they represent a minority within the democrat party.

That's too convenient. You get to disavow "Defund the Police" as a fringe movement but then you'll accept their votes.

[pgardn]

That's too convenient. You get to disavow "Defund the Police" as a fringe movement but then you'll accept their votes.

Oh you mean the red team recognition of the Capitol police for the work at the picnic?
Yeah defunding without actually doing so is much worse.

[ChumpDumper]

That's too convenient. You get to disavow "Defund the Police" as a fringe movement but then you'll accept their votes.You're in with the racists and fascists.:tu

[daboom1]

You're in with the racists and fascists.:tu

^pitchfork mob mentality

[ChumpDumper]

^pitchfork mob mentality1/6

[Thread]

1/6

BLM & Antifa as well.

[DMC]

Oh you mean the red team recognition of the Capitol police for the work at the picnic?
Yeah defunding without actually doing so is much worse.

If I need some 9th grade cool science facts, I'll pull your chain.

[DarrinS]

1/6

:lol

[ChumpDumper]

:lolYou're completely fine with everything they did. You look forward to their doing it again.

[DarrinS]

You're completely fine with everything they did. You look forward to their doing it again.

Nope

[pgardn]

If I need some 1st grade cool science facts, I'll refer to my articles.

[ChumpDumper]

NopeWhy do you keep downplaying what happened then?

[DarrinS]

Why do you keep downplaying what happened then?

I don't. I just acknowledge that the comparisons to pearl harbor and 9/11 are laughable.

[DarrinS]

Not sure why this crap is in a thread about treatments and vaccines.

[spurraider21]

That's too convenient. You get to disavow "Defund the Police" as a fringe movement but then you'll accept their votes.
I don’t have to own every policy position of any particular politician or wing of any political party, sorry.

[Thread]

I don’t have to own every policy position of any particular politician or wing of any political party, sorry.

...apology accepted.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't. I just acknowledge that the comparisons to pearl harbor and 9/11 are laughable.
No one here did that.

To what would you compare it?

Not sure why this crap is in a thread about treatments and vaccines.
DistractMC

[leemajors]

https://sph.uth.edu/projects/texascares/

I did my first anitobody test Friday, got results today. Negative for N-Test, positive for S test. My S antibodies still higher than average 5 months after my second shot.

[DMC]

I don’t have to own every policy position of any particular politician or wing of any political party, sorry.

Of course not. You're free to flitter from limb to limb in the tree of politics and debate from which ever limb you feel has the higher ground.

[Ef-man]

I don’t have to own every policy position of any particular politician or wing of any political party, sorry.


Of course not. You're free to flitter from limb to limb in the tree of politics and debate from which ever limb you feel has the higher ground.

And your lucky numbers are: 2, 9, 17, 27, 33, 35, and 43.

[spurraider21]

Of course not. You're free to flitter from limb to limb in the tree of politics and debate from which ever limb you feel has the higher ground.
fair point tbh

so tell me what current US politician you agree with on 100% of all issues and takes

[DarrinS]

Current admin made people lose trust in the vaccines. Sad

[Winehole23]

Current admin made people lose trust in the vaccines. Sadwith substantial assistance from red state governors and politicians. also sad.

[Winehole23]

In retrospect, the major inflection point seems to have been the pause on the J&J jab.

[ChumpDumper]

Current admin made people lose trust in the vaccines. Sad:lol former head of the administration couldn't even publicize his own vaccination.

Did that help or hurt?

[DarrinS]

In retrospect, the major inflection point seems to have been the pause on the J&J jab.

Meh, J&J was a small fraction

[DarrinS]

The worst was take masks off and put them back on.

I haven't worn one since April.

[Winehole23]

The worst was take masks off and put them on. that was bad, why do you think it was the worst?

if you look at a vaccination graph for the US, the start of the decline more lines up with the J&J pause than the masking recommendation.

[Winehole23]

As I recall, at the time of the new masking guidance you were declaring the pandemic over.

For like the fourth time.

[Winehole23]

Why should anyone accept your wisdom now, Darrin?

[DarrinS]

As I recall, at the time of the new masking guidance you were declaring the pandemic over.

For like the fourth time.

We didn't have delta at that time, dickhead.

I have a very sick friend, who is vaccinated.

[ChumpDumper]

The worst was take masks off and put them back on.

I haven't worn one since April.How would that affect trust in vaccines since you still trust them?

[Winehole23]

We didn't have delta at that time, dickhead.

I have a very sick friend, who is vaccinated.Sympathy for you and your friend, but Delta already existed, it was rampant in India and starting to kick England’s ass back in April. It was already clear we would get it too. We’ve seen that movie before, I guess you were just too thick to read the signs.

I can understand the need to lash out in anger, but it’s not factually well-founded, tbh.

[DarrinS]

Sympathy for you and your friend, but Delta already existed, it was rampant in India and starting to kick England’s ass back in April. It was already clear we would get it too. We’ve seen that movie before, I guess you were just too thick to read the signs.

I can understand the need to lash out in anger, but it’s not factually well-founded, tbh.


I declared pandemic over, pre-delta. I think it will be over soon.

[Winehole23]

I declared pandemic over, pre-delta. I think it will be over soon.A stopped clock is right at least twice a day -- you haven't been right once.

[SnakeBoy]

I declared pandemic over, pre-delta. I think it will be over soon.

I think another year minimum imo

I thought we were out of the woods because of vaccines. My mistake was thinking antivaxxers were no more than 20% of the country. Anecdotally I'm now wondering about the real effectiveness of the vaccines. Hearing too many cases of fully vaxxed very sick people. Last week I heard of a friend of a friend that had all fully vaxxed family get together. 30 people, 15 got covid, 2 died (one in their 80's and one only 50).

[SnakeBoy]

A stopped clock is right at least twice a day -- you haven't been right once.

Neither have you. Of course you never have anything to say so it's easy not to be right or wrong.

[Winehole23]

Neither have you. Of course you never have anything to say so it's easy not to be right or wrong.Prediction is a fool's game unless you have inside knowledge, which I don't. There's no honor in being boldly wrong over and over, tbh.

[hater]

Prediction is a fool's game unless you have inside knowledge, which I don't. There's no honor in being boldly wrong over and over, tbh.

U are predicting (and wishing) kids in schools start dying and they shut them down. Nancy.

[hater]

I think another year minimum imo

I thought we were out of the woods because of vaccines. My mistake was thinking antivaxxers were no more than 20% of the country. Anecdotally I'm now wondering about the real effectiveness of the vaccines. Hearing too many cases of fully vaxxed very sick people. Last week I heard of a friend of a friend that had all fully vaxxed family get together. 30 people, 15 got covid, 2 died (one in their 80's and one only 50).

It was pretty simple and easy to predict these vaccines were gonna b shitty tbqh. Rushed, hyper warp.speed wathever :lol.no rigorous testing. It was probabky the easiest call I made. The fact that a vaxed is just as infectious as a non as well as the terrible waning efficacy makes these especially shitty.

Called it :tu


I also called that this was gonna become endemic and way of the flu. Due to mutations. A this was pretty easy calls tbqh

[Winehole23]

U are predicting (and wishing) kids in schools start dying and they shut them down. Nancy.It's a description of current events, not a prediction.

Since August COVID has been hitting kids harder. ~1,000 schools have been shut down by outbreaks. Pointing out the desirability of more mitigation and protection for kids isn't egging it on.

[hater]

It's a description of current events, not a prediction.

Since August COVID has been hitting kids harder. ~1,000 schools have been shut down by outbreaks. Pointing out the desirability of more mitigation and protection for kids isn't egging it on.

Schools are still functioning overall. Despite your doomsday predictions. Thats a good thing. :tu

[Winehole23]

Schools are still functioning overall. Despite your doomsday predictions. Thats a good thing. :tuNo doomsday predicted. It's already pretty bad. I can't remember the last time a contagious disease shut down a thousand schools in a few weeks.

[hater]

No doomsday predicted. It's already pretty bad. I can't remember the last time a contagious disease shut down a thousand schools in a few weeks.

Most US kids are attending school today :tu

Good day :tu

[SnakeBoy]

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[ChumpDumper]

1437416903073533958Seems to be working for the >60 crowd. Probably too early to say for sure about <60 but looks dubious for now.

[hater]

Seems to be working

Until they introduce a 5th shot :lmao

[hater]

:lol

https://twitter.com/ontkenningsfase/status/1437441052290465794?s=19

[ChumpDumper]

Until they introduce a 5th shot :lmao:lol you still haven't read the article I spoon fed you.

:lol hater prefers his ignorance

[hater]

https://twitter.com/databazemusic/status/1437440178751164416?s=19

[hater]

:lol you still haven't read the article I spoon fed you.

:lol hater prefers his ignorance

More Alpha spike proteins to fight the Delta one.:lol

[hater]

https://twitter.com/SolarGreenCo/status/1437438650464104448?s=19

[ChumpDumper]

More Alpha spike proteins to fight the Delta one.:lol:lol hater wants to be a rube

[spurraider21]

The worst was take masks off and put them back on.

I haven't worn one since April.
https://i.imgflip.com/5murpq.jpg

[hater]

https://i.imgflip.com/5murpq.jpg

:lmao

[Adam Lambert]

hater continues to post the kind of bullshit that gets people killed.

Absolute garbage person.

[hater]

:lol

Covid Confusion at the CDC
Decisions on boosters relied on data from Israel. Why isn’t the U.S. producing this research?


https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-coronavirus-breakthrough-vaccine-natural-immunity-cdc-fauci-biden-failure-11631548306?redirect=amp#click=https://t.co/KObA7Go84g

[hater]

hater continues to post the kind of bullshit that gets people killed.

Absolute garbage person.

Bendover fagggot

Ill show u a post that can get ppl killed

[ElNono]

1437416903073533958

:tu

[ElNono]

https://i.imgflip.com/5murpq.jpg

:lmao

[SnakeBoy]

Study: Group of scientists say no need for boosters for the general population yet
https://www.newsbreak.com/news/2369677834496/study-group-of-scientists-say-no-need-for-boosters-for-the-general-population-yet#:~:text=There%20is%20no%20data%20from%20COVID-19%20vaccine%20studies,Drug%20Administration%2C%20 The%20New%20York%20Times%20is%20reporting.

“Although the benefits of primary COVID-19 vaccination clearly outweigh the risks, there could be risks if boosters are widely introduced too soon, or too frequently, especially with vaccines that can have immune-mediated side-effects (such as myocarditis, which is more common after the second dose of some mRNA vaccines, or Guillain-Barre syndrome, which has been associated with adenovirus-vectored COVID-19 vaccines).”

[hater]

Study: Group of scientists say no need for boosters for the general population yet
https://www.newsbreak.com/news/2369677834496/study-group-of-scientists-say-no-need-for-boosters-for-the-general-population-yet#:~:text=There%20is%20no%20data%20from%20COVID-19%20vaccine%20studies,Drug%20Administration%2C%20 The%20New%20York%20Times%20is%20reporting.

“Although the benefits of primary COVID-19 vaccination clearly outweigh the risks, there could be risks if boosters are widely introduced too soon, or too frequently, especially with vaccines that can have immune-mediated side-effects (such as myocarditis, which is more common after the second dose of some mRNA vaccines, or Guillain-Barre syndrome, which has been associated with adenovirus-vectored COVID-19 vaccines).”

:tu

Follow.the science

[DMC]

Bendover fagggot

Ill show u a post that can get ppl killed

:lol

Don't rain on Spurminator's virtual signaling parade.

[spurraider21]

proving that mandates work :tu

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[DMC]

proving that mandates work :tu

1437417688544993285

Yes, anecdotes prove things when the ball is in your court.

[hater]

proving that mandates work :tu

1437417688544993285

:tu freedom

[spurraider21]

Yes, anecdotes prove things when the ball is in your court.
damn you just poked a big hole in my research paper

[Adam Lambert]

:lol

Don't rain on Spurminator's virtual signaling parade.

Poster B chimes in

[boutons_deux]

Israeli scientists say their antiviral drug could stop COVID-19

An Israeli antiviral drug previously used to treat HIV may be able to stop coronavirus in a matter of days.

a drug previously used in an uncontrolled fashion to treat HIV has a direct antiviral effect against coronavirus, sending patients home virus-free within only a few days.

“Codivir

has a very good safety profile and a very impressive antiviral effect, both in laboratory conditions and in a phase I clinical trial in humans. We eagerly await the results of the double-blind studies using Codivir. It may be a breakthrough in the field of antiviral therapy for early COVID-19 patients.”

Twelve patients between the ages of 18 and 60 with mild to moderate coronavirus participated in the study.

Seven of the volunteers were tested sequentially using a standard PCR swab test every two days from the time they began receiving the treatment, which like insulin is given subcutaneously - injection under the skin.

Patients received two injections per day for 10 days.

Maayan said that five of the patients showed a very profound decline in the viral load during the treatment. Codivir significantly suppressed viral replication in all patients with an antiviral effect noted as early as three days.

the safety profile of the drug was very good. There were no significant side effects from the treatment itself,

the company is already preparing to submit emergency approval requests to several countries once the Phase II trial is complete. It is also preparing for mass production of Codivir in different sites worldwide.

https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/israeli-scientists-say-their-antiviral-drug-could-stop-covid-19-679437

[DMC]

Poster B chimes in

Get your own shit

[Winehole23]

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/vaccine_research.png

[Winehole23]

vaccine diplomacy?



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FILE PHOTO: President Rodrigo Duterte gestures as he delivers his 6th State of the Nation Address (SONA), at the House of Representatives in Quezon City, July 26, 2021. (Source: REUTERS/Lisa Marie David)



President Rodrigo Duterte admitted that the United States’ COVID-19 vaccine donations influenced his decision to rescind the termination of the Visiting Forces Agreement (VFA).


During his regular Monday briefing on August 2, the president expressed his gratitude for Washington’s donation. Calling his move to recall the termination a “concession,” the president said he "conceded the continuance of the Visiting Forces Agreement in gratitude.”


Duterte also thanked US President Joe Biden for providing the vaccines.


“I’d like to thank the President of the United States, si Biden, the government and the people of America for not forgetting us,” he said.
https://ph.news.yahoo.com/duterte-admits-us-vaccine-donations-influenced-vfa-decision-092446077.html#click=https://t.co/28AuSuYPmG

[Adam Lambert]

Get your own shit

Get some shit that's not so easily turned back on you.

Or keep "yeah me too"ing shitposts by the likes of chris and hater, I don't care. These are your people.

[MultiTroll]

Colorado radio host who urged boycott of vaccines dies of Covid-19 | Colorado | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/14/bob-enyart-radio-host-dies-covid-19-boycott-vaccine-colorado)

[Winehole23]

Low-dose mRNA-1273 COVID-19 vaccine generates durable memory enhanced by cross-reactive T cells (https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abj9853)

Vaccine-specific CD4+ T cell, CD8+ T cell, binding antibody, and neutralizing antibody responses to the 25-μg Moderna mRNA-1273 vaccine were examined over 7 months post-immunization, including multiple age groups, with a particular interest in assessing whether pre-existing cross-reactive T cell memory impacts vaccine-generated immunity. Vaccine-generated spike-specific memory CD4+ T cells 6 months post-boost were comparable in quantity and quality to COVID-19 cases, including the presence of T follicular helper cells and IFNγ-expressing cells. Spike-specific CD8+ T cells were generated in 88% of subjects, with equivalent memory at 6 months post-boost compared to COVID-19 cases. Lastly, subjects with pre-existing cross-reactive CD4+ T cell memory had increased CD4+ T cell and antibody responses to the vaccine, demonstrating the biological relevance of SARS-CoV-2–cross-reactive CD4+ T cells.
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abj9853

[ChumpDumper]

Colorado radio host who urged boycott of vaccines dies of Covid-19 | Colorado | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/14/bob-enyart-radio-host-dies-covid-19-boycott-vaccine-colorado)

Conservative firebrand Bob Enyart, the pastor of the Denver Bible Church and indelible talk show host, has died from COVID-19, his radio co-host announced Monday on Facebook.

“Bob Enyart was one of the smartest, and without question, the wisest person I’ve known,” Fred Williams, Enyart’s co-host on the Real Science Radio show, said in a post.

https://c.tenor.com/dmynLyEhssEAAAAC/is-he-though-thor.gif

[ChumpDumper]

How to tell a grifter from a rube:

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[Medvedenko]

Still is a shocker to see him leave me on the street like this. I'd a bet my last dollar he'd never do it. We've been thru all the Lakers shit together, held each other's hand in the trough of the terrible times, me giving him the Dutch uncle so he wouldn't get too low.

Meds

Repent and all will be forgiven: Church of Kobe

[Thread]

Repent and all will be forgiven: Church of Kobe

You'll grow old, gray and you will die before that ever happens, Med.

---------

& Kobe never repented. He died, that's it & that's all. All these phony cocksuckers who wouldn't give him the time of day before---then crawled out of the wood work and cried us a river. Kobe was poison to the moment when that helicopter augered in and Media cleared their centralized (world wide) angle 30 minutes later.

As always I'll take this moment to the grave: 13 down 3rd quarter in '10. Out of the TO Fisher took him by nap of the nap:::"Stop whining!!! Go down into the paint and go to work. Now, Kobe, NOW!"

What'd he do? Obeyed Fisher to-the-letter. Late 4th quarter as it came into sharp focus, he dropped the game face and jail breaked for the finish line, that GD Rondo in a mirror image.

Me? I hit the eject lever on the Lazy Boy and stood sentinel.

[DMC]

Get some shit that's not so easily turned back on you.

Or keep "yeah me too"ing shitposts by the likes of chris and hater, I don't care. These are your people.

Get your own shit.

[pgardn]

vaccine diplomacy?



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FILE PHOTO: President Rodrigo Duterte gestures as he delivers his 6th State of the Nation Address (SONA), at the House of Representatives in Quezon City, July 26, 2021. (Source: REUTERS/Lisa Marie David)


https://ph.news.yahoo.com/duterte-admits-us-vaccine-donations-influenced-vfa-decision-092446077.html#click=https://t.co/28AuSuYPmG


This is a no brainer.
The Philippines have a big piece of economy to lose if China regulates international water in that region.
If this is all it takes, hell yes for both countries.

[ducks]

NBA referees and many members of team personnel will have to be vaccinated for COVID-19 during the 2021-22 NBA season, but that won't be the case for the players. NBA players are not expected to be subject to vaccine mandates, according to Baxter Holmes and Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN.

The league and the players union — the NBPA — are reportedly still in talks regarding COVID-19 protocols for the season, but the NBPA is not willing to entertain the idea of a vaccine mandate for players. A mandate is a "non-starter," according to ESPN.

[Thread]

NBA referees and many members of team personnel will have to be vaccinated for COVID-19 during the 2021-22 NBA season, but that won't be the case for the players. NBA players are not expected to be subject to vaccine mandates, according to Baxter Holmes and Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN.

The league and the players union — the NBPA — are reportedly still in talks regarding COVID-19 protocols for the season, but the NBPA is not willing to entertain the idea of a vaccine mandate for players. A mandate is a "non-starter," according to ESPN.

bully, bully for them.

[Winehole23]

This is a no brainer.
The Philippines have a big piece of economy to lose if China regulates international water in that region.
If this is all it takes, hell yes for both countries.vaccines for power poltics?

I can see the utility, but I'm not so crazy about that.

the better we all are the better all are and will be. protecting people against COVID without qualification and limitation seems the more urgent need to me.

(shrugs)

[Ef-man]

Finally, great news from Florida! Send the unvaccinated to MAGAtardstan!

Florida landlord says tenants must get the covid vaccine: ‘You don’t want to get vaccinated? You have to move!’

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/09/15/florida-landlord-requiring-covid-vaccine-proof/

[RandomGuy]

Get some shit that's not so easily turned back on you.

Or keep "yeah me too"ing shitposts by the likes of chris and hater, I don't care. These are your people.

He will not want to admit that even to himself.

He isn't a complete idiot. I think therefore he recognizes on some level the complete idiots like Qhris and Spurtacular are complete idiots.

Where he fails is thinking about what that means.

If your entire worldview includes a large population of morons like that, and that does not cause you to re-think things or suspect you might have made some mistakes when it comes to thinking about reality, you are deluding yourself at some level.

[Winehole23]

don't bogart that joint, my friend



President Joe Biden has sharply criticized DeSantis and others for resisting efforts to encourage mask wearing and ramp up vaccinations, vowing in a speech last week that if “governors won’t help us beat the pandemic, I’ll use my power as president to get them out of the way.”


Still, until recently, the administration had shipped the antibody treatments to states on an as-needed basis — with top health officials in early August going as far as encouraging those battling the Delta surge to seek even more supply.


But demand from a handful of southern states has exploded since then, state and federal officials said, raising concerns they were consuming a disproportionate amount of the national supply. Seven states — Texas, Florida, Mississippi, Tennessee, Georgia, Louisiana and Alabama — accounted for 70 percent of all orders in early September.


The imbalance prompted an effort to rein in control of supplies, over concerns that the government wouldn’t have enough on hand to respond to Covid-19 surges elsewhere in the country.


Earlier this month, HHS officials told states (https://hhsasproea.zoomgov.com/rec/play/ryhlai9SPah9kmskHE-XClO87udwi1IarZw481qSJ7SrRF0MHxTLCaoGQc1hZgZ9HE5Yk DDfL2lMpm5_.b9MuBxBAnr4y2sSF?continueMode=true) that they would more closely scrutinize how much of the treatments were actually being used — but that the department was not going to throttle states’ supply.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/14/biden-covid-antibody-treatments-511825

[pgardn]

vaccines for power poltics?

I can see the utility, but I'm not so crazy about that.

the better we all are the better all are and will be. protecting people against COVID without qualification and limitation seems the more urgent need to me.

(shrugs)

There are some obvious political problems that cannot be controlled. Apparently this has something to do with not letting unvaccinated leave their homes in the Philippines. This is a clear violation of their constitution and was apparently causing problems related to our sending vaccines. I dont know which admin. this happened under but apparently it got rectified. There are always the possibilities of diplomatic problems being overcome. But its a bit deeper than us just deciding they get zero help from us. Without qualification... In the long run it helps all of us. But there is giant diplomatic inertia in our country. If they were holding hostages and were using that to force us to give the vaccine we might not. (Obviously this is not the case but it gets very convoluted when dealing with policy in place) But the tit for tat might be deeper than just "let us help you" because China.

[boutons_deux]

Third COVID shot boosts immunity tenfold - Israeli study now peer-reviewed

The rate of confirmed infections and of severe cases of COVID-19 was

more than 10 times lower among people

who received the booster compared to people who did not.

https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/coronavirus/third-covid-shot-boosts-immunity-tenfold-israeli-study-now-peer-reviewed-679591

"10 times" is a ass backwards confusing expression

1/10 the rate of infections and severe cases of unvaccinated.

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

"Purity Of Essence"

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https://external-preview.redd.it/bOkBNMJMJzlQw8uMAI0PBWerUwoPPmUfj45x1VI4VXI.jpg?au to=webp&0956f317

[boutons_deux]

Antibodies From Original Strain COVID-19 Infection Don’t Bind To Variants

https://scienceblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Antibodies-from-original-strain-COVID-19-infection-dont-bind-to-variants-study-finds-900x600.jpeg

People infected with the original strain of the virus that causes COVID-19 produced a consistent antibody response. However, those antibodies don’t bind well to new variants, Illinois graduate student Timothy Tan (left) and professor Nicholas Wu found.

People infected with the original strain of the virus that causes COVID-19 early in the pandemic produced a consistent antibody response, making two main groups of antibodies to bind to the spike protein on the virus’s outer surface.

However, those antibodies don’t bind well to newer variants,

“Even though this antibody response is very common with the original strain, it doesn’t really interact with variants,” Wu said.

“That, of course, raises the concern of the virus evolving to escape the body’s main antibody response.

Some antibodies should still be effective – the body makes antibodies to many parts of the virus, not only the spike protein – but the particular groups of antibodies that we saw in this study will not be as effective.”

https://scienceblog.com/525444/antibodies-from-original-strain-covid-19-infection-dont-bind-to-variants-study-finds

[Winehole23]

COVID is still wrecking commercial travel and hospitality


These are the largest 20 destinations by business travel hotel revenues in 2019, the projected year-total revenues for 2021, and the percentage difference:



20 Largest Business Travel Destinations
Business Travel Hotel Revenue, Million $
% Plunge


2019
2021 projected


New York
4,560
531
-88%


Orlando
2,796
518
-81%


Washington, DC metro
2,741
371
-86%


Los Angeles
2,683
752
-72%


San Francisco
2,531
178
-93%


Chicago
2,528
346
-86%


Las Vegas
2,326
670
-71%


Boston
1,672
191
-89%


Atlanta
1,671
491
-71%


Dallas
1,611
460
-71%


San Diego
1,611
395
-76%


Hawaiian Islands
1,530
346
-77%


Phoenix
1,349
380
-72%


Miami
1,327
497
-63%


Houston
1,291
412
-68%


Seattle
1,241
193
-84%


San Jose
1,227
176
-86%


Anaheim
1,155
256
-78%


Denver
1,087
237
-78%


Nashville
981
238
-76%


Total
37,919
7,640
-80%




https://wolfstreet.com/2021/09/15/business-travel-conventions-office-occupancy-stuck-in-collapse-mode-its-been-so-long-people-forgot-what-the-old-normal-even-was/

[Winehole23]

Republicans continue to play D for SARS-CoV-2

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[Winehole23]

there is no AIDS vaccine

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[leemajors]

Anyone gargling Betadine yet?

[DarrinS]

Anyone gargling Betadine yet?

You can just use regular mouthwash.

Save the betadine for your nose. Dilute to 1%

[ChumpDumper]

You can just use regular mouthwash.

Save the betadine for your nose. Dilute to 1%Are you doing that?

[leemajors]

You can just use regular mouthwash.

Save the betadine for your nose. Dilute to 1%

Nah, I'll just gargle a topical antiseptic lots of people are allergic to

[DarrinS]

Nah, I'll just gargle a topical antiseptic lots of people are allergic to

Lots of people are allergic to povidone-iodine?

[baseline bum]

Don't forget your zinc, Zpaks, hydroxchloroquine, etc

[ElNono]

Don't forget your zinc, Zpaks, hydroxchloroquine, etc

Icy Hot, etc

[DarrinS]

But keep washing those hands

[ElNono]

You didn't wash your hands before the pandemic? gross...

[DarrinS]

Wash your hands. Ok

Wash your nose and throat. That's insane


https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32511851/

[ChumpDumper]

You didn't wash your hands before the pandemic? gross...:lol that's how he got COVID in the first place.

[ChumpDumper]

News for Pfizer vaccine for children 5-12:

Given how rarely children become severely ill, the trial was not big enough to draw meaningful conclusions about the vaccine’s ability to prevent Covid or hospitalization. Instead, the researchers relied on measurements of the youngsters’ immune response, on the assumption that the protective levels of antibodies seen in older people would be as protective in younger children.

The children who got the vaccine produced a strong immune response, comparable to the levels of antibodies seen in the earlier trials of participants aged 16 to 25 years. But children in the 5- to 11-year-old group achieved this response with 10 micrograms of the vaccine, a third of the dose given to older children and adults.

At higher doses, the researchers observed more side effects in younger children, including fever, headache and fatigue, although none were severe, Dr. Gruber said. With the 10-microgram dose, “we’re actually seeing after the second dose, less fever, less chills than we see in the 16- to 25-year-olds.”

Immune defenses weaken with age, and the side effects also become milder. This decline in potency is the reason most vaccines are meted out in childhood — and why a much lower dose is often enough for children, said Dr. Yvonne Maldonado, who led the trial at Stanford University and chairs the American Academy of Pediatrics’ infectious disease committee.

“You want to hit the sweet spot, where you’re giving the lowest dose that might elicit reactions, but also high enough to get you a good, sustainable antibody response,” she said.

In children younger than 5, just three micrograms — a tenth of the adult dose — is being tested in trials and seems likely to prove sufficient, she said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/20/health/covid-children-vaccine-pfizer.html

[Thread]

News for Pfizer vaccine for children 5-12:

Given how rarely children become severely ill, the trial was not big enough to draw meaningful conclusions about the vaccine’s ability to prevent Covid or hospitalization. Instead, the researchers relied on measurements of the youngsters’ immune response, on the assumption that the protective levels of antibodies seen in older people would be as protective in younger children.

The children who got the vaccine produced a strong immune response, comparable to the levels of antibodies seen in the earlier trials of participants aged 16 to 25 years. But children in the 5- to 11-year-old group achieved this response with 10 micrograms of the vaccine, a third of the dose given to older children and adults.

At higher doses, the researchers observed more side effects in younger children, including fever, headache and fatigue, although none were severe, Dr. Gruber said. With the 10-microgram dose, “we’re actually seeing after the second dose, less fever, less chills than we see in the 16- to 25-year-olds.”

Immune defenses weaken with age, and the side effects also become milder. This decline in potency is the reason most vaccines are meted out in childhood — and why a much lower dose is often enough for children, said Dr. Yvonne Maldonado, who led the trial at Stanford University and chairs the American Academy of Pediatrics’ infectious disease committee.

“You want to hit the sweet spot, where you’re giving the lowest dose that might elicit reactions, but also high enough to get you a good, sustainable antibody response,” she said.

In children younger than 5, just three micrograms — a tenth of the adult dose — is being tested in trials and seems likely to prove sufficient, she said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/20/health/covid-children-vaccine-pfizer.html

The better half of 50% of American ma's & pa's will tell BKB Baby Killer Biden to turn that loaded syringe side-ways and shove it right up his wazoo, Dumper.

I want that fuckin' (plan) that cocksucker claimed he had last year. It's safe to divulge it now:::I got him within a stone's throw from 30 stacks High Society. Friday I should be able to lodge it,,,though I may wait till "Sunday mornin' comin' down.".........

"And I stopped beside a Sunday school and listened to the songs they were singing
Then I headed back for home and somewhere far away a lonely bell was ringing
And it echoed through the canyons like the disappearing dreams of yesterday"

[baseline bum]

The better half of 50% of American ma's & pa's will tell BKB Baby Killer Biden to turn that loaded syringe side-ways and shove it right up his wazoo, Dumper.

I want that fuckin' (plan) that cocksucker claimed he had last year. It's safe to divulge it now:::I got him within a stone's throw from 30 stacks High Society. Friday I should be able to lodge it,,,though I may wait till "Sunday mornin' comin' down.".........

"And I stopped beside a Sunday school and listened to the songs they were singing
Then I headed back for home and somewhere far away a lonely bell was ringing
And it echoed through the canyons like the disappearing dreams of yesterday"



You right wingers overestimate how much of the country you make up.

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKBvLqKRWv8

[Thread]

COVID is still wrecking commercial travel and hospitality


https://wolfstreet.com/2021/09/15/business-travel-conventions-office-occupancy-stuck-in-collapse-mode-its-been-so-long-people-forgot-what-the-old-normal-even-was/

Any man, woman, or child...

You'd have to be out of your fuckin' mind to get on an airplane.
You'd have to be out of your fuckin' mind to go into a school.
You'd have to be out of your fuckin' mind to step into a crowd no matter where it assembles.

Nonetheless I'm gonna tote your ciphers. I swore to that old man via the Twitter that I'd avenge him.

Let us proceed...

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKBvLqKRWv8Pro vax.:tu

[Thread]

You right wingers overestimate how much of the country you make up.

Enough for this:::

Trump President.
Not Clinton.

[hater]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKBvLqKRWv8

:lmao a lot of idiots in this board think covid hospitalization for unvaxed is 25%-50% :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao a lot of idiots in this board think covid hospitalization for unvaxed is 25%-50% :lmaoWho?

Post quotes or fold.

Again.:lol

[boutons_deux]

Why doctors don't think vaccine skeptics' acceptance of a helpful COVID-19 treatment is sufficient

some medical experts argue the antibodies aren't enough on their own to make up for the slow-down in vaccine uptake,

he infusions also take a lot of time and require a lot of attention from hospital staff.

They're also more expensive, costing the federal government about $2,100 per dose.

"It's clogging up resources,

it's hard to give, and

a vaccine is $20 and

could prevent almost all of that,"

emphasizing monoclonal antibodies and playing down vaccines is akin to "investing in car insurance without investing in brakes."

they can't keep up with the pace of more serious outbreaks.

the treatments only help individual patients,

whereas vaccines have a snowball effect,

and they also don't provide protective immunity

https://theweek.com/delta-variant/1005041/why-doctors-dont-think-vaccine-skeptics-acceptance-of-a-helpful-covid-19

[hater]

Why doctors don't think vaccine skeptics' acceptance of a helpful COVID-19 treatment is sufficient

some medical experts argue the antibodies aren't enough on their own to make up for the slow-down in vaccine uptake,

he infusions also take a lot of time and require a lot of attention from hospital staff.

They're also more expensive, costing the federal government about $2,100 per dose.

"It's clogging up resources,

it's hard to give, and

a vaccine is $20 and

could prevent almost all of that,"

emphasizing monoclonal antibodies and playing down vaccines is akin to "investing in car insurance without investing in brakes."

they can't keep up with the pace of more serious outbreaks.

the treatments only help individual patients,

whereas vaccines have a snowball effect,

and they also don't provide protective immunity

https://theweek.com/delta-variant/1005041/why-doctors-dont-think-vaccine-skeptics-acceptance-of-a-helpful-covid-19

Except the vaxed are also needing infusions:

BALTIMORE —
While state data shows the vast majority of Marylanders currently hospitalized with COVID-19 are either unvaccinated or partially vaccinated, the percentage of people fully vaccinated is ticking upward.

Infections, illness and hospitalizations are increasing rapidly among fully vaccinated people, according to data from the Maryland Department of Health and new research.

Some experts said it's time to reframe thinking that the vaccine likely won't prevent you from ever getting sick



It's scary, very scary. You think you're safe, but you're not," said Deborah Hernandez, of Baltimore County.

Hernandez got her second dose of the Moderna vaccine in the beginning of February. Seven months later, she got COVID-19.

"I was pretty surprised to say the least," Hernandez said.

Hernandez was at the Baltimore Convention Center Field Hospital on Tuesday for a two-hour infusion with monoclonal antibodies. She's worried about long-COVID and passing the virus on to her grandchildren, especially since she had been so vigilant already.

[ChumpDumper]

state data shows the vast majority of Marylanders currently hospitalized with COVID-19 are either unvaccinated or partially vaccinated
hater proving once again vaccines work.:tu

[baseline bum]

Except the vaxed are also needing infusions:

BALTIMORE —
While state data shows the vast majority of Marylanders currently hospitalized with COVID-19 are either unvaccinated or partially vaccinated, the percentage of people fully vaccinated is ticking upward.



So people shouldn't get vaccinated?

[hater]

So people shouldn't get vaccinated?

At risk or elderly definitely :tu

Id recommend it for anyone 40+ or fat tbqh

I was responding to Buttocks saying only non vaxed do infusions. Not true

[baseline bum]

At risk or elderly definitely :tu

Id recommend it for anyone 40+ or fat tbqh

I was responding to Buttocks saying only non vaxed do infusions. Not true

Why would you recommend them for those groups? All you do is post on here how shitty and ineffective the vaccines are.

[hater]

Why would you recommend them for those groups? All you do is post on here how shitty and ineffective the vaccines are.

They are shitty. And leaky. Thats a FACT.

I believe they still might save you a trip to the hospital. So so far I still recommend them for 40+ or sick/fat tbqh

We wi ALL need infusions at some point in our life so thats why I wqs pointing it out to Buttocks

[ChumpDumper]

Why would you recommend them for those groups? All you do is post on here how shitty and ineffective the vaccines are.

hater's argumentation regarding any subject:

https://c.tenor.com/xr27r-GKxV0AAAAC/steven-universe-smh.gif

[baseline bum]

They are shitty. And leaky. Thats a FACT.

I believe they still might save you a trip to the hospital. So so far I still recommend them for 40+ or sick/fat tbqh


So vaccines that save you from trips to the hospital in a pandemic that's likely killed a million Americans are shitty and leaky.

[hater]

So vaccines that save you from trips to the hospital in a pandemic that's likely killed a million Americans are shitty and leaky.

Correct. Those 2 points are not mutually exclusive.

[Sam da Sham]

'bout right

https://ship.sfo2.digitaloceanspaces.com/eaf5aa54-97e0-4b70-94cc-da39cd85a179/0fc08687-4d1c-49d9-90c8-221a396d6022