2015 Texas Longhorns Recruiting Thread

[Vito Corleone]

You're missing one more 5 star there...

During the Mack Brown era Texas had over 20 5-star recruits, but only two had a real transcendent effect on the program. Vince and Derrick Johnson. Every year Rivals lists between 25 and 30 5-star recruits and in every draft only about 35% of them get drafted.

Chances are that of the 3 you aggsy have, only one is going to get drafted.

What you really should be looking at is how many guys you have that are ranked 5.7 in the rivals rankings. That's the real sweet spot. I'd take a whole class of those kids vs the 4 and 5 stars everyone is fawning over. These are the guys that are coming into the program, with the talent of a 4-star but with a chip on their shoulder. Don't get me wrong I expect us to get 4 and 5 star talent because every once in a while you will get a Vince Young, but I love getting lots of those 5.7 guys because they will be the guys that build your program into a 11 win team.

With that said welcome to the 40 to :

Du'Vonta Lampkin
Deandre McNeal
Ryan Newsome
Gilbert Johnson
Cameron Townsend
Quincy Vasser

4-star talent, 3-star ranking, 5-star chip on their shoulder.

[Vito Corleone]

Considering Texas and A&M both limped to pathetic endings to season and both teams failed to address all their needs with recruiting classes, their is waaayyy too much smack talk going on. Let's not forget that Texas had like 100+ ranked offense and A&M had like 100+ ranked defense. Neither team is going to be blowing up the polls next year unless Ags can score 60+ per game or Texas can hold teams to under 7 ppg. :blah

I think Texas did a great job of addressing every position.

OL - Texas signed 3 guys I'm excited about. my favorite being Major who if he gets in is probably a 4-star talent.

TE - Texas got one of the top TE in the country a guy that has the body to play TE on the NFL level.

RB - 4 running backs including back that some think was the best in Texas. Chances are one will be starter within 2 years.

WR - Texas got 3 WRs including 2 slot guys which is what they needed more than anything.

QB - Texas got 2 guys, both are long term projects but outside of Stidham there wasn't a single guy that didn't come with lots of questions. I would have loved to keep Gentry but even he wasn't going to come in and challenge for a starting spot.

DE - Texas got two starter quality DE and possibly a third if we spin down a linebacker which they might do to Hager.

DT - Needed one would have been nice to get two, but we got a good one, as long as he gets into school I expect him to be pretty good. No matter, it wasn't a huge need position that we can get away with what we got.

LB - Grand slam, probably one of the top 4 classes of any school

DB - Again a grand slam, 6 guys and all of them are very highly rated. Can't ask for more than that.


The only real question is will Kai Locksley be a QB that can be groomed as a starter, if yes, then the class is a home run.

[Biggems]

I think Texas did a great job of addressing every position.

OL - Texas signed 3 guys I'm excited about. my favorite being Major who if he gets in is probably a 4-star talent.

TE - Texas got one of the top TE in the country a guy that has the body to play TE on the NFL level.

RB - 4 running backs including back that some think was the best in Texas. Chances are one will be starter within 2 years.

WR - Texas got 3 WRs including 2 slot guys which is what they needed more than anything.

QB - Texas got 2 guys, both are long term projects but outside of Stidham there wasn't a single guy that didn't come with lots of questions. I would have loved to keep Gentry but even he wasn't going to come in and challenge for a starting spot.

DE - Texas got two starter quality DE and possibly a third if we spin down a linebacker which they might do to Hager.

DT - Needed one would have been nice to get two, but we got a good one, as long as he gets into school I expect him to be pretty good. No matter, it wasn't a huge need position that we can get away with what we got.

LB - Grand slam, probably one of the top 4 classes of any school

DB - Again a grand slam, 6 guys and all of them are very highly rated. Can't ask for more than that.


The only real question is will Kai Locksley be a QB that can be groomed as a starter, if yes, then the class is a home run.

Yeah I am disappointed that we only got on DT. I wanted 2 maybe 3.

I am so glad we got so many OL and DBs. We need the depth.

[playblair]

:toast see u in 2016 thread during junior days

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[TFloss32]

:toast see u in 2016 thread during junior days

I'll get it started tomorrow or Friday.

[DMX7]

Dat 2002 Class.... six 5* recruits. WOW :wow

[TheMex]

You guys are idiots if you're trying to convince each about having a better recruiting class. Here is the thing, Aggies are happy with their class and Longhorns are happy with their class. Sounds like both schools won this year.

Can't wait to see how this one plays out.

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Kai Locksley
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/high-school/varsity-letters/bal-gilmans-kai-locksley-signs-with-texas-20150204-story.html

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[DMX7]

After watching Newsome's rough initial announcement, I can't believe UCLA was confident he would stick with that pick. UCLA ended up killing it though in recruiting overall.

[Hook Em 88]

Plus, you signed four more players then A&M did due to all the attrition yall have been experiencing. Of course that's going to give you a boost. Both are good classes. Personally, I would choose the class with the three five stars Murray, Mack and Kirk headlining it.

Both classes are good and are of sorts that many schools would die to have. I always look at ESPN for recruiting "rankings" since we all have our source. According to the ESPN300 Texas signed 14 players listed and Aggies signed 11 that is enough confirmation to me that we are regaining our footing. Now if we can just translate that to wins on the field is yet to be known but I'd like to think we're on track.

[DesignatedT]

Both classes are good and are of sorts that many schools would die to have. I always look at ESPN for recruiting "rankings" since we all have our source. According to the ESPN300 Texas signed 14 players listed and Aggies signed 11 that is enough confirmation to me that we are regaining our footing. Now if we can just translate that to wins on the field is yet to be known but I'd like to think we're on track.

Certainly. Murray was the big one that we held onto because that's what Texas needs the most. Somehow you guys got another WR to come and be the savior at QB. Call me skeptical on this upcoming experiment.

[the chronic]

Certainly. Murray was the big one that we held onto because that's what Texas needs the most. Somehow you guys got another WR to come and be the savior at QB. Call me skeptical on this upcoming experiment.


"If" Locksley has the work ethic he can compete to be a starting QB with 1-2 years of development - watch his film, it's not like RSJ being QB at Sealy where it is just best athlete at QB. The problem is Texas needs a guy that can compete for starting job as true frosh and the prospect that can come in at QB in year one and contribute like Murray or Allen is very rare. No scenario do I see Locksley being ready to step in and play on day 1 like Murray could.

Will be interesting to watch A&M QB situation if Murray passes on MLB as Allen looked good at end of year and as good as Murray is it will be hard to pass a guy like that with a year head start and two spring sessions under their belt. I agree with some of the A&M posters I just don't see him passing Allen as good of a player as he is it is just too much of a competitive disadvantage and Allen is no slouch.

[yavozerb]

Certainly. Murray was the big one that we held onto because that's what Texas needs the most. Somehow you guys got another WR to come and be the savior at QB. Call me skeptical on this upcoming experiment.

There really was only 1 qb available who could have come in to UT and made an instant impact and that was murray..Kai is probably gonna redshirt and in my opinion an option 2 yrs from now. I have a hard time believing Murray well pass up MLB if he is indeed drafted in the 1st rd (which he is projected to do so).

[benefactor]

"If" Locksley has the work ethic he can compete to be a starting QB with 1-2 years of development - watch his film, it's not like RSJ being QB at Sealy where it is just best athlete at QB. The problem is Texas needs a guy that can compete for starting job as true frosh and the prospect that can come in at QB in year one and contribute like Murray or Allen is very rare. No scenario do I see Locksley being ready to step in and play on day 1 like Murray could.

Will be interesting to watch A&M QB situation if Murray passes on MLB as Allen looked good at end of year and as good as Murray is it will be hard to pass a guy like that with a year head start and two spring sessions under their belt. I agree with some of the A&M posters I just don't see him passing Allen as good of a player as he is it is just too much of a competitive disadvantage and Allen is no slouch.

There really was only 1 qb available who could have come in to UT and made an instant impact and that was murray..Kai is probably gonna redshirt and in my opinion an option 2 yrs from now. I have a hard time believing Murray well pass up MLB if he is indeed drafted in the 1st rd (which he is projected to do so).
I think the point DT was making is something that has already been mentioned in this thread...that keeping Murray was more about keeping a player of need away from Texas less about whether or not he will ever see the field. It's also plays into recruiting advantage, as chronic mentioned a few posts ago. Believe me, Sumlin won't care a bit if Murray heads to the majors if it means he's not running onto the field in burnt orange on opening day.

[Sisk]

Depends who you ask about where he's projected to go. I've seen 2nd round a few places. Definitely a concern but I think he ends up in college station.

[yavozerb]

Depends who you ask about where he's projected to go. I've seen 2nd round a few places. Definitely a concern but I think he ends up in college station.

Good article on the matter...http://usatodayhss.com/2015/texas-ams-biggest-threat-to-landing-kyler-murray-was-never-texas-its-baseball

[Clipper Nation]

Aggy's gonna be f:lolcked once Strong starts winning and now has time to recruit, tbh....
Called it on page 1... my takes are spot-on as usual.

[Halberto]

Certainly. Murray was the big one that we held onto because that's what Texas needs the most. Somehow you guys got another WR to come and be the savior at QB. Call me skeptical on this upcoming experiment.

Your unbiased takes are greatly appreciated here.

[The Reckoning]

Certainly. Murray was the big one that we held onto because that's what Texas needs the most. Somehow you guys got another WR to come and be the savior at QB. Call me skeptical on this upcoming experiment.

You do realize Texas was saying the exact thing about Manziel right?

[DesignatedT]

You do realize Texas was saying the exact thing about Manziel right?

Locksley had 6 passing touchdowns and 14 rushing touchdowns his senior year in high school. Locksley passed for a total of 950 yards.

Manziel passed for 3,559 yards with 44 passing touchdowns and 5 interceptions his senior year in HS. He also ran for 1,695 yards for 30 touchdowns putting him at 74 total touchdowns his senior year.

I would say there is a little bit of a difference there. :lmao

Now Locksley is Manziel :lol. Locksley is a fine athlete as I have said but he isn't a QB. Good luck with that.

[yavozerb]

Locksley had 6 passing touchdowns and 14 rushing touchdowns his senior year in high school. Locksley passed for a total of 950 yards.

Manziel passed for 3,559 yards with 44 passing touchdowns and 5 interceptions his senior year in HS. He also ran for 1,695 yards for 30 touchdowns putting him at 74 total touchdowns his senior year.

I would say there is a little bit of a difference there. :lmao

Now Locksley is Manziel :lol. Locksley is a fine athlete as I have said but he isn't a QB. Good luck with that.

Agree with the Manziel comparison, really no comparison between the two. But the kid made the Under Armour All Amreican Game as a Wr even though he played QB. To say he is a "fine" athlete would be selling him short. The kid is an Elite Athlete and well probably excell at any position he puts time into. If he plays QB and is given another 1-2 yrs to focus on the QB position, I see no reason he could not be an above average dual threat QB and probably has a higher ceiling than most who were recruited ahead of him.

[TFloss32]

Coach Rumph to Florida. Their guy from the Raiders fell through:

http://www.si.com/college-football/2015/02/05/florida-hires-texas-defensive-line-coach-chris-rumph

[yavozerb]

Coach Rumph to Florida. Their guy from the Raiders fell through:

http://www.si.com/college-football/2015/02/05/florida-hires-texas-defensive-line-coach-chris-rumph

That sucks...Looking forward to list of possible replacements.

[Bloeddyr10]

Coach Rumph to Florida. Their guy from the Raiders fell through:

http://www.si.com/college-football/2015/02/05/florida-hires-texas-defensive-line-coach-chris-rumph

Wasn't Thayer the one who wrote a story a few years ago about Oklahoma State and SI had to apologize to OSU afterwards because it wasn't true?

Omenihu is saying the report is untrue, and he's chilling because he knows the truth.

[benefactor]

Sucks indeed. Texas will need a pretty big hire to replace him.

[benefactor]

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Hopefully he's right.

[TFloss32]

Wasn't Thayer the one who wrote a story a few years ago about Oklahoma State and SI had to apologize to OSU afterwards because it wasn't true?

Omenihu is saying the report is untrue, and he's chilling because he knows the truth.

Recruits are usually the last to know, unfortunately.

Hopefully Omenihu is speaking to Strong or Rumph because OrangeBloods and 24/7 are saying it's done.

[DesignatedT]

There really was only 1 qb available who could have come in to UT and made an instant impact and that was murray..Kai is probably gonna redshirt and in my opinion an option 2 yrs from now. I have a hard time believing Murray well pass up MLB if he is indeed drafted in the 1st rd (which he is projected to do so).

Wasn't trying to sell him short. Locksley is an elite athlete and I think he could eventually become one of the best players in the big12. Just not at QB.

[FkLA]

Locksley had 6 passing touchdowns and 14 rushing touchdowns his senior year in high school. Locksley passed for a total of 950 yards.

Manziel passed for 3,559 yards with 44 passing touchdowns and 5 interceptions his senior year in HS. He also ran for 1,695 yards for 30 touchdowns putting him at 74 total touchdowns his senior year.

I would say there is a little bit of a difference there. :lmao

Now Locksley is Manziel :lol. Locksley is a fine athlete as I have said but he isn't a QB. Good luck with that.

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[Hook Em 88]

Recruits are usually the last to know, unfortunately.

Hopefully Omenihu is speaking to Strong or Rumph because OrangeBloods and 24/7 are saying it's done.
RobbieAndreu: According to a source, Chris Rumph has not accepted the defensive line coach job at Florida yet. He's been offered.

[TFloss32]

Robbie (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=44935)Andreu: According to a source, Chris Rumph has not accepted the defensive line coach job at Florida yet. He's been offered.

Interesting. Now 24/7 is saying Rumph had a meeting with Strong this morning to talk things over.

Rumph is supposed to sit down with his family this afternoon and make a decision.

[TFloss32]

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Thanks for rounding up those videos. Good stuff.

[Hook Em 88]

Kyle_nap: Cedar Hill High School in Texas had 19 players sign D1 LOI. The entire state of Oregon had 16.

[TFloss32]

Kyle (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=48079)_nap: Cedar Hill High School in Texas had 19 players sign D1 LOI. The entire state of Oregon had 16.

That's a crazy stat.

Hopefully Texas gets the coach who produces all of that Cedar Hill talent.

[TFloss32]

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[Blake]

Locksley had 6 passing touchdowns and 14 rushing touchdowns his senior year in high school. Locksley passed for a total of 950 yards.

Manziel passed for 3,559 yards with 44 passing touchdowns and 5 interceptions his senior year in HS. He also ran for 1,695 yards for 30 touchdowns putting him at 74 total touchdowns his senior year.

I would say there is a little bit of a difference there. :lmao

Now Locksley is Manziel :lol. Locksley is a fine athlete as I have said but he isn't a QB. Good luck with that.

The other little difference is that Johnny was a 3 star recruit. Locksley a 4.

[TFloss32]

Just throwing this out there for anyone who was somehow disappointed with Texas' class.

UT was the only school in the Top 20 recruiting classes with a losing record.

[FkLA]

The other little difference is that Johnny was a 3 star recruit. Locksley a 4.

So should we assume 4 star Locksley will go on to have a better career than little 3 star Johnny ?

[TFloss32]

Hope this happens...

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[benefactor]

He was the greyshirt, right?

[TFloss32]

He was the greyshirt, right?

Correct. As of right now, he wouldn't enroll until Spring 2016.

Bring him in with Locksley and keep looking for an experienced transfer, imo.

[Blake]

So should we assume 4 star Locksley will go on to have a better career than little 3 star Johnny ?

the point is there was no assumption anywhere that Johnny was even going to have a moderate college football career.......let alone play QB.

Pointing out Johnny's high school stats is irrelevant to what scouts believed his potential was.

If you were to put Johnny in this class, very few would believe he'd be better than Kai.

[DesignatedT]

Chip Kelly obviously believed Johnny had potential. The knock on him was his size. Coaches and scouts are starting to look past that more and more now (see:kyler murray).

[Blake]

Chip Kelly obviously believed Johnny had potential. The knock on him was his size. Coaches and scouts are starting to look past that more and more now (see:kyler murray).

Yeah, Kelly apparently had an eye that everyone else didn't have. Mariota was also a three star.

[FkLA]

Why so hung up on imaginary stars? Football was considered a Top 15 dual-threat QB and a Top 50 player in the state. Mariota was considered a Top 15 dual-threat QB and the 2nd best player out of Hawaii. Not sure why you are acting like they came out of nowhere bc they were only 'three stars'.

[Blake]

Why so hung up on imaginary stars? Football was considered a Top 15 dual-threat QB and a Top 50 player in the state. Mariota was considered a Top 15 dual-threat QB and the 2nd best player out of Hawaii. Not sure why you are acting like they came out of nowhere bc they were only 'three stars'.

not sure why you're acting like you or anyone else knew he was gonna be better than average, much less the best player in football.

it's not like his offer list was that great.

Lol imaginary stars

[FkLA]

not sure why you're acting like you or anyone else knew he was gonna be better than average, much less the best player in football.

it's not like his offer list was that great.

Lol imaginary stars

I did but I was probably biased bc he was a local guy. IIRC The Reckoning has proof here on ST that he called it. So there's one person, and I'm sure there's plenty of others...most likely the ones that took the time to watch his film instead of coming to conclusions based on stars. :lol

[Blake]

I did but I was probably biased bc he was a local guy. IIRC The Reckoning has proof here on ST that he called it. So there's one person, and I'm sure there's plenty of others...most likely the ones that took the time to watch his film instead of coming to conclusions based on stars. :lol

I'm pretty sure the schools that passed on him didn't care much about his stars either.

Congrats to the two of you for "calling it". Lol.

[FkLA]

You think schools passed on him because a pay site only gave him 3 stars?

Besides since when is a measly three star having a moderate college career considered a reach? You'd think only 4 or 5 stars see the field the way you make it sound. :lol

[FkLA]

It's a damn shame that Michael Brewer was injured for Lake Travis against Tivy or you would have gotten to see what a 4 star QB recruit looks like.


but muh stars :cry

[TFloss32]

I was at that Tivy/Lake Travis game in 2010 and it was awesome.

If Brewer was hurt, he was still ridiculous. 250 in the air and 190 on the ground.

Only 15 of Tivy's yards weren't from Manziel.

[Needs More Bourbon]

Non-moronic perspective for a moment: Locksley was the second QB offered by Texas (after Gentry), and we pursued him at QB throughout. He didn't pass for a lot of yards/TDs because he was in a shotgun Wing-T offense. He played WR at the Under-Armour game because that's where FSU was going to put him. People think he can play WR — and he can — because he's a phenomenal athlete, not because he can't play QB.

Aggies are grasping at anything they can right now. None of our recruits are going to qualify; we can't recruit a QB so we're taking WRs; Kris Boyd's fax never came and Malik never enrolled so they can go to A&M; Merrick's dad was paying recruits to come to Texas (until they suddenly didn't come). They're scared and they're lashing out.

[The Reckoning]

Locksley had 6 passing touchdowns and 14 rushing touchdowns his senior year in high school. Locksley passed for a total of 950 yards.

Manziel passed for 3,559 yards with 44 passing touchdowns and 5 interceptions his senior year in HS. He also ran for 1,695 yards for 30 touchdowns putting him at 74 total touchdowns his senior year.

I would say there is a little bit of a difference there. :lmao

Now Locksley is Manziel :lol. Locksley is a fine athlete as I have said but he isn't a QB. Good luck with that.

Yes there's no statistical comparison but I'm just letting you know that the shoe is on the other foot now. Texas was recruiting Manziel as a wideout and Aggies wanted him as QB. Now that Texas is recruiting a QB, you say he's a wideout. Why are you even concerned? Are you scared or something? I say give him a chance if the coaches really think he'll be that good. If the kid wants to play QB and thinks he can do it, then let him try out.

Also I watched Manziel in high school at Tivy and it was the Manziel show. He was their entire team. Locksley had more of a supporting cast IMO.

If we throw high school stats out the window for a second and just look at it from a pure development standpoint just for lolz....locksley has nearly identical specs as bridgewater out of high school.

[Blake]

You think schools passed on him because a pay site only gave him 3 stars?

Besides since when is a measly three star having a moderate college career considered a reach? You'd think only 4 or 5 stars see the field the way you make it sound. :lol

No they passed on him because they were looking at the same thing that rivals and scout were looking at.

I never said that second sentence.

[Blake]

but muh stars :cry

even five star guys get hurt bruh. Why is this hard for you? Aren't you an engineer?

[FkLA]

even five star guys get hurt bruh. Why is this hard for you? Aren't you an engineer?

Are you saying Brewer would've been the better player if he had stayed healthy?

Your posts suggests the way you evaluate players is to blindly go off of how many stars the sites gives a guy. There's really no reason why you should've thought Brewer was a sure bet to be better than Football. They were both great HS players.

[Blake]

Are you saying Brewer would've been the better player if he had stayed healthy?

No. Like the rest, it's an educated guess on potential. Do you understand how stars work?



Your posts suggests the way you evaluate players is to blindly go off of how many stars the sites gives a guy. There's really no reason why you should've thought Brewer was a sure bet to be better than Football. They were both great HS players.

lol I was just talking shit, tbh. And Brewer actually got dropped down to 3 stars tbh.

[rjv]

"If" Locksley has the work ethic he can compete to be a starting QB with 1-2 years of development - watch his film, it's not like RSJ being QB at Sealy where it is just best athlete at QB. The problem is Texas needs a guy that can compete for starting job as true frosh and the prospect that can come in at QB in year one and contribute like Murray or Allen is very rare. No scenario do I see Locksley being ready to step in and play on day 1 like Murray could.

Will be interesting to watch A&M QB situation if Murray passes on MLB as Allen looked good at end of year and as good as Murray is it will be hard to pass a guy like that with a year head start and two spring sessions under their belt. I agree with some of the A&M posters I just don't see him passing Allen as good of a player as he is it is just too much of a competitive disadvantage and Allen is no slouch.

i prefer allen, of course. but it is nice to have murray as the back up, assuming he does not go MLB.

[FkLA]

More like a crapshoot aside from the extremely obvious, can't miss guys IMO. The star system is retarded and meant for dumb fucks that don't watch hudls.

If a HS guy puts up crazy production vs quality competition and has multiple upper-tier P5 offers like Manziel did, then he has just as much potential as anyone.

[rjv]

the point is there was no assumption anywhere that Johnny was even going to have a moderate college football career.......let alone play QB.

Pointing out Johnny's high school stats is irrelevant to what scouts believed his potential was.

If you were to put Johnny in this class, very few would believe he'd be better than Kai.

that tells me how much we overrate the scouts. i saw manziel play in high school and he was better than a three star at that time but his lack of size and disrespect the SA greater has in terms of the football talent here affected his rating. the same can be said of justin stockton. i still, to this day, have not seen any high school football player in person with the speed stockton has, and yet he was only a three star as well. had stockton or manziel gone to a houston school or dallas area school they would have been rated at four stars.

[DMX7]

that tells me how much we overrate the scouts. i saw manziel play in high school and he was better than a three star at that time but his lack of size and disrespect the SA greater has in terms of the football talent here affected his rating.

You're right about that. A lot of people knew it. And by that time, it felt like Mack was going strictly off of what Rivals thought which is probably why he passed him up.

[FkLA]

This doesn't even have anything to do with Locksley.

I just hate the star guy in recruiting threads tbh.

[DesignatedT]

Coach Rumph to Florida. Their guy from the Raiders fell through:

http://www.si.com/college-football/2015/02/05/florida-hires-texas-defensive-line-coach-chris-rumph

:lol waiting til the recruits are signed to announce this news. I guess lying to/misleading recruits isn't apart of the core values.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol waiting til the recruits are signed to announce this news. I guess lying to/misleading recruits isn't apart of the core values.

And Chavis was telling recruits' parents that he was staying at LSU days before he left to go cash checks at Aggy for a few years. So much for Aggy not lying or tolerating those who do.

[djohn2oo8]

:lol waiting til the recruits are signed to announce this news. I guess lying to/misleading recruits isn't apart of the core values.

He didn't take the job.

[benefactor]

:lol waiting til the recruits are signed to announce this news. I guess lying to/misleading recruits isn't apart of the core values.
He's was merely offered the job and he's not taking it. The reports jumped the gun.

[djohn2oo8]

http://cdncache1-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png[/IMG] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/)=Clipper Nation;7817841]And Chavis was telling recruits' parents that he was staying at LSU days before he left to go cashhttp://cdncache1-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/) checks at Aggy for a few years. So much for Aggy not lying or tolerating those who do.

:lmao

[The Reckoning]

And Chavis was telling recruits' parents that he was staying at LSU days before he left to go cash checks at Aggy for a few years. So much for Aggy not lying or tolerating those who do.


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[DesignatedT]

:lol

[Hook Em 88]

@ ChipBrownHD: I caught up with 2015 #Texas QB signee Kai Locksley (@LOCKSnLOADED_3) and learned he's a man on a mission (FREE).
http://t.co/Q8Y9Hu9ZSR

Great read on Locksley.

[DMX7]

LOL, that was a bad sequence of posts for DesignatedT.

[pgardn]

Coach Rumph to Florida. Their guy from the Raiders fell through:

http://www.si.com/college-football/2015/02/05/florida-hires-texas-defensive-line-coach-chris-rumph

defibrillator engaged and almost used...

This would have been really awful.

[benefactor]

Let's not forget that Locksley was at the Under the Lights camp with Gentry back in July. The staff has had a chance to get a good look at him in person as a passer. If they thought then that he was just a WR that stands behind the center, they would not have offered him at QB or pushed so hard to get him when Murray fell through.

[TFloss32]

CB Keivon Ramsey ended up signing with West Texas A&M.

[Blake]

More like a crapshoot aside from the extremely obvious, can't miss guys IMO. The star system is retarded and meant for dumb fucks that don't watch hudls.

If a HS guy puts up crazy production vs quality competition and has multiple upper-tier P5 offers like Manziel did, then he has just as much potential as anyone.

in your opinion, why do you think so many schools passed on Johnny and Mariota?

[Blake]

that tells me how much we overrate the scouts. i saw manziel play in high school and he was better than a three star at that time but his lack of size and disrespect the SA greater has in terms of the football talent here affected his rating. the same can be said of justin stockton. i still, to this day, have not seen any high school football player in person with the speed stockton has, and yet he was only a three star as well. had stockton or manziel gone to a houston school or dallas area school they would have been rated at four stars.

Fwiw, Scout gave Stockton a 4th star at the end of his senior year

[Clipper Nation]

in your opinion, why do you think so many schools passed on Johnny and Mariota?
Not sure about Inbred, but Mariota probably didn't get heavily recruited because most schools don't want to deal with the hassle of recruiting in Hawai'i.

[Blake]

Not sure about Inbred, but Mariota probably didn't get heavily recruited because most schools don't want to deal with the hassle of recruiting in Hawai'i.

What hassle?

[Clipper Nation]

What hassle?
Traveling to Hawaii is not a vacation for them but a schlep. The state is barely a blip on the recruiting radar as a result. Most coaches outside the West Coast ignore Hawaiian players altogether. The state has sent more than 50 three-, four- and five-star recruits to play Division-I college football in the last five years, and all but two stayed on Hawaii’s side of the Mississippi River.

Even for coaches who are closer to Hawaii, like Oregon’s staff, it is not exactly paradise. The time difference makes it unlikely that Southeastern Conference coaches will look at Hawaiian recruits. But it’s also time-consuming for West Coast coaches. The few non-stop flights between Portland and Honolulu require a two-hour drive and six-hour flight for Oregon’s coaches. “It was actually a pain,” said former Oregon defensive coordinator Nick Aliotti.

The long business trip turns recruiting Hawaii into the equivalent of a Goldman Sachs banker hopping to Paris for breakfast, wooing a new client over café au lait and flying back to New York for dinner. “You never wanted to lose a day, so you always had to do the red-eye going home,” said former UCLA coach Rick Neuheisel. “That was a nightmare.”

The other hassle of Hawaii is that there aren’t enough players to make the haul worthwhile. Many warm-weather states, where it’s possible to play football all year round, are breeding grounds for big-time programs. Texas, for example, had 569 players that were given top rankings by the recruiting website Rivals last year. Florida had 526, and California had 523. Hawaii had 21.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/why-no-one-wanted-marcus-mariota-1418327384

[Clipper Nation]

Basically, travel is a pain and there's not enough talent to be worth it.

[FkLA]

in your opinion, why do you think so many schools passed on Johnny and Mariota?

Pure speculation, but given his upbringing and the culture he comes from I wouldn't be surprised if Mariota shut down his recruiting after comitting to Oregon early. Man of his word and all that. Football had several upper tier P5 offers (A&M, Oregon, Stanford, etc).

Probably measurables though, which are pretty overrated for CFB imo. They matter more for the NFL.

[FkLA]

CB Keivon Ramsey ended up signing with West Texas A&M.

UTSA should've given him a shot tbh.

[TFloss32]

Coach Rumph to Florida is now official.

[benefactor]

Well fucking hell

[TFloss32]

Well fucking hell

OrangeBloods saying Coach Rumph took the Florida job before speaking with Strong, but we'll never know if that's just spin.

Would love to know who knew what and when since Rumph wasn't hired the first time and the job opened a month later.

[yavozerb]

Coach Rumph to Florida is now official.

Damn, all momentum UT had recruiting suddenly comes to a screeching stop. Expect new recruits to not let this go without saying there say so, gonna get ugly...Strong better start winning cause the moral and ethical selling points are now out the window

[Bloeddyr10]

Douchebag move if true.
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[pgardn]

This is really an awful development.
You gotta hire people with integrity. It's not fair to these kids. Remember Tuberville walking out on a recruit during an interview... Slime ball.

[DMX7]

He is replaceble. Sucks, but life will go on for the recruits.

[DesignatedT]

Core values baby!!! Charlie is such an honorable man!


Call Me Deebs@DeeChilllin 4s 5 seconds ago
Its not even the fact he left. Bc thats what coaches do. Its the fact i was told it wasnt going to happen

[yavozerb]

Core values baby!!! Charlie is such an honorable man!
Follow

Call Me Deebs‼️
‏@DeeChilllin
Ya'll dont worry me & Charless_94 gone ball at DKR either way it go! #HookEm

Players gonna play for Strong not Rumph..Just a replaceable coach, but Strong is still at UT, sorry ATM fans..

[DMX7]

Core values baby!!! Charlie is such an honorable man!

I doubt Charlie told him that unless Charlie really believed it. The man is all class and has great integrity.

[Blake]

Basically, travel is a pain and there's not enough talent to be worth it.

ok. That makes some sense why so many schools passed on Mariota.

But for Johnny, he played in Texas and was getting plenty of local press.

[Blake]

Football had several upper tier P5 offers (A&M, Oregon, Stanford, etc).


Lol "etc"

Where were the offers from UT, Tech, Okie, Okie St, Bama, LSU etc?

Johnny was the national high school player of the year and he played in Kerrville, so it's not like these schools had to fly to Hawaii to see him.

Where were they?

[DesignatedT]

I doubt Charlie told him that unless Charlie really believed it. The man is all class and has great integrity.

:lmao

[DesignatedT]

but Strong is still at UT, sorry ATM fans..

Huh? I have no problem Texas having the 6-7 charlie strong and his core values. Guy is the next Fran.

[texas4ever]

I'm seeing Clint Hurtt's name out there as potentially being offered the job already.

Has ties to Strong from Louisville. Currently with the Chicago Bears.

[yavozerb]

ok. That makes some sense why so many schools passed on Mariota.

But for Johnny, he played in Texas and was getting plenty of local press.


Huh? I have no problem Texas having the 6-7 charlie strong and his core values. Guy is the next Fran.

2012= 11-2
2013=9-4
2014= 8-5

Are you starting to see a trend here? I try and root for all texas football teams but I am big fan of Strong and Aggie's seem to think they are getting better with each season under Sumlin when the records say otherwise.

[djohn2oo8]

Huh? I have no problem Texas having the 6-7 charlie strong and his core values. Guy is the next Fran.
You are worried.

[TFloss32]

Core values baby!!! Charlie is such an honorable man!


Huh? I have no problem Texas having the 6-7 charlie strong and his core values. Guy is the next Fran.

Keep it on the rails there, DT.

[yavozerb]

I'm seeing Clint Hurtt's name out there as potentially being offered the job already.

Has ties to Strong from Louisville. Currently with the Chicago Bears.

This dude has got some extra baggage if he is the guy...
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/22/clint-hurtt-will-remain-on-uofl-staff-but-will-be-closely-monitored/

[DesignatedT]

2012= 11-2
2013=9-4
2014= 8-5

Are you starting to see a trend here? I try and root for all texas football teams but I am big fan of Strong and Aggie's seem to think they are getting better with each season under Sumlin when the records say otherwise.

A&M lost a lot before last season. Go back to every prediction thread there is and every Aggie had them winning around 8 games last year. It was to be expected with a freshman QB and the losses we experienced. We got a little ahead of ourselves after the South Carolina beatdown but that was quickly realized as false hope. Sumlin just signed his third outright recruiting class making his guys Juniors, Sophs and Freshman now. This upcoming year should be a double digit win season. Next year will be a roster made up of entirely Sumlin recruits.

[TFloss32]

Damn, all momentum UT had recruiting suddenly comes to a screeching stop. Expect new recruits to not let this go without saying there say so, gonna get ugly...Strong better start winning cause the moral and ethical selling points are now out the window


Douchebag move if true.
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I wouldn't get too high or too low as these assistant coaches live in a revolving door; Rumph's third job in three years. Unfortunately, we'll probably never get the real story. I hope it didn't go down the way it's being reported. Doesn't sound like there was even time for a counter offer.

[TFloss32]

FWIW, DE Charles Omenihu just started following Brick Haley of LSU.

Hopefully that's a hint and not just wishful thinking.

[texas4ever]

Higdon over at Scout tweeted the job has already been offered and Strong is waiting for a decision.

How do you guys post those tweets to these threads? Seems it never works for me?? Oh well.....:bang

[yavozerb]

I wouldn't get too high or too low as these assistant coaches live in a revolving door; Rumph's third job in three years. Unfortunately, we'll probably never get the real story. I hope it didn't go down the way it's being reported. Doesn't sound like there was even time for a counter offer.

At least Rumph didnt do a Bo Davis like a couple of seasons ago..Did I say Bo Davis, hmmmm

[Bloeddyr10]

I wouldn't get too high or too low as these assistant coaches live in a revolving door; Rumph's third job in three years. Unfortunately, we'll probably never get the real story. I hope it didn't go down the way it's being reported. Doesn't sound like there was even time for a counter offer.

Exactly. I'm not mad at Rumph for making a decision that brings him and his wife closer to their parents, but if he never even gave Strong a heads up, it's a douchebag move, IMO. Bobby Burton of 24/7 says Strong had no idea this was happening until SI broke the story yesterday.

[TFloss32]

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[djohn2oo8]

2012= 11-2
2013=9-4
2014= 8-5

Are you starting to see a trend here? I try and root for all texas football teams but I am big fan of Strong and Aggie's seem to think they are getting better with each season under Sumlin when the records say otherwise.

Let them believe they are in for a double digit win season

[yavozerb]

FWIW, DE Charles Omenihu just started following Brick Haley of LSU.

Hopefully that's a hint and not just wishful thinking.

I doubt its a hint, kid probably have seen same names mentioned on shaggy and other sites...But you never know i guess

[Bloeddyr10]

FWIW, DE Charles Omenihu just started following Brick Haley of LSU.

Hopefully that's a hint and not just wishful thinking.

LSU fans really seemed to want to get rid of Chavis and Haley. I do like Haley though, and his track record.

FootballScoop had Utahs Ilaisa Tuiaki as a finalist for their DL coach of the year. Utah's defense had 52 sacks in 12 games (4,33 sacks per game) and only one other team (Stanford in 2012, 4,07 sacks per game) has managed to average more than 4 sacks a year since they started these "awards". Utah's defense also had 100 TFL's which was fourth in the country. I know Tuiaki won't be the guy, but I think he is intriguing.

I think the early offer that Higdon reports is to former Louisville DL coach and current Chicago Bears OLB coach Clint Hurtt.

EDIT: FootballScoop also mentions Ikaika Malloe of Utah State. Utah State was 3rd in the country in sacks (more than 50), 2nd in TFL's, 16th in yards per carry. He was also Portland States Special Teams Coordinator in 2013. He had an All-American punter (led the nation in net yardage), Portland State blocked 7 punts/FG's, held opponents to conference low 14,5 yards per kick return which was good for 2nd in the nation. Strong wanted a guy at the TE position with a ST background. Malloe has that. But like Tuiaki, It's not going to be him.

[TFloss32]

Higdon over at Scout tweeted the job has already been offered and Strong is waiting for a decision.

How do you guys post those tweets to these threads? Seems it never works for me?? Oh well.....:bang

Hopefully someone can post the instructions again.

[DMX7]

Huh? I have no problem Texas having the 6-7 charlie strong and his core values. Guy is the next Fran.

What did Fran ever win anywhere? Strong already has a BCS bowl victory under his belt as a head coach and two national titles as a defensive coordinator. How many BCS bowl victories does the entrie A&M program have?

[Kermit]

Core values baby!!! Charlie is such an honorable man!

Maybe be he should stop being such a whiney, primadonna bitch. Do these recruits have pussies? Cause they act like thirteen year old girls.

[TFloss32]

Scout saying Jeff Traylor of Gilmer is a candidate to join the Texas staff.

24/7 mentioned yesterday another successful high school coach is supposed to meet with Strong next week. I'm assuming they were referring to Traylor.

[TFloss32]

No idea if this is legit, but apparently this is the coin that RB Chris Warren III "flipped" on Signing Day...

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[Blake]

This upcoming year should be a double digit win season.

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Blake]

What did Fran ever win anywhere? Strong already has a BCS bowl victory under his belt as a head coach and two national titles as a defensive coordinator. How many BCS bowl victories does the entrie A&M program have?

Fran's resume was pretty solid before A&M, tbh. I thought it was a five star hire.

[Sisk]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/recruiting-2015-–-who-won-each-state/ar-AA92Lsq

[djohn2oo8]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/recruiting-2015-–-who-won-each-state/ar-AA92Lsq

MSN :lmao

How about the recruiting sites?

[TFloss32]

24/7 reporting Strong found out about Rumph's plan when the Sports Illustrated report was published.

[Sisk]

MSN :lmao

How about the recruiting sites?

I posted the average of all the sites combined earlier in this thread.

[Hook Em 88]

No idea if this is legit, but apparently this is the coin that RB Chris Warren III "flipped" on Signing Day...

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I think it was meant as a joke but not truly sure. Warrens dad tweeted a photo of Chris saying he's always dreamt of being a Longhorn so I wonder if the coin flip was legitimate.

[TFloss32]

FYI 2016 QB Shea Patterson's brother is no longer on the LSU staff.

Rumors are the brother is headed to Ole Miss, but this may help Texas get back in the game if they don't feel good about Buechele.

[Blake]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/recruiting-2015-–-who-won-each-state/ar-AA92Lsq

You do know they're not necessarily saying that A&M had the better overall class, right?

But feel free to hang a recruiting championship banner up at Kyle

[Blake]

I think it was meant as a joke but not truly sure. Warrens dad tweeted a photo of Chris saying he's always dreamt of being a Longhorn so I wonder if the coin flip was legitimate.

Is this a serious post?

Lol

[Sisk]

You do know they're not necessarily saying that A&M had the better overall class, right?

But feel free to hang a recruiting championship banner up at Kyle

Yes, I'm aware, Blake.

[Blake]

Yes, I'm aware, Blake.

Ok.

Good to see you posting aggy junk in this longhorn thread again, brah :tu

[Sisk]

Ok.

Good to see you posting aggy junk in this longhorn thread again, brah :tu

Thanks.

[Needs More Bourbon]

Man, getting tougher to follow this thread with all the stupid people on ignore. Anyway, it's interesting mental gymnastics to claim Strong lied to recruits the day after signing day to get them to sign the LOIs that had been in for 18 hours. I'm also impressed that UF has kept itself out of the story -- goes to show which programs sell nationally. As a Shaggy poster said, UF is the one whose coach left the day after signing day. What was Strong supposed to do when the job wasn't even open until yesterday?

[Clipper Nation]

:lol MSN Texas Recruiting Champions

[DesignatedT]

it's interesting mental gymnastics to claim Strong lied to recruits the day after signing day to get them to sign the LOIs that had been in for 18 hours. I'm also impressed that UF has kept itself out of the story -- goes to show which programs sell nationally. As a Shaggy poster said, UF is the one whose coach left the day after signing day. What was Strong supposed to do when the job wasn't even open until yesterday?

:lol you are just spinning it the other way. More power to you if you actually believe that this move hadn't been in the works for awhile. I don't know if Strong knew or not, but I find it incredibly hard to believe that Rumph didn't know about it. So either everyone was aware of the possibility and elected to not say anything about it during the recruiting process or Strong's "core values" don't apply to his position coaches.

[DesignatedT]

:lol MSN Texas Recruiting Champions

The rankings Sisk posted are actually from collegefootballnews.com AKA Scout recruiting rankings. http://cfn.scout.com/2/1510661.html

[pgardn]

Man, getting tougher to follow this thread with all the stupid people on ignore. Anyway, it's interesting mental gymnastics to claim Strong lied to recruits the day after signing day to get them to sign the LOIs that had been in for 18 hours. I'm also impressed that UF has kept itself out of the story -- goes to show which programs sell nationally. As a Shaggy poster said, UF is the one whose coach left the day after signing day. What was Strong supposed to do when the job wasn't even open until yesterday?

Strong did hire the guy and heap accolades on him. This is a very dirty business. One can't blame an assistant for a move up. But a lateral move to be with a friend who happen to land a few very good defensive lineman at the very end of the cycle? It smells, but now we know there was no loyalty. So, good riddance.

[pgardn]

The rankings Sisk posted are actually from collegefootballnews.com AKA Scout recruiting rankings. http://cfn.scout.com/2/1510661.html

I will take our improvement in recruiting. ATM got the top recruits with those 2 no doubt.

What I would rather have is a decent season.
So when do you guys expect to win the SEC?
I think 2 to 3 years we take the Big 12.

[benefactor]

The rankings Sisk posted are actually from collegefootballnews.com AKA Scout recruiting rankings. http://cfn.scout.com/2/1510661.html
That's funny, according to Scout Texas finished with the better class.

http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=14&yr=2015

[Blake]

That's funny, according to Scout Texas finished with the better class.

http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=14&yr=2015

according to Sisk's link, Stanford won the state of Oregon.

While Oregon won the state of Hawaii

[DesignatedT]

I will take our improvement in recruiting. ATM got the top recruits with those 2 no doubt.

What I would rather have is a decent season.
So when do you guys expect to win the SEC?
I think 2 to 3 years we take the Big 12.

I agree
I agree
Not this upcoming season but next season IMHO. That would be 4 recruiting classes for Sumlin.
I don't.

[DesignatedT]

That's funny, according to Scout Texas finished with the better class.

http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=14&yr=2015

Don't be obtuse. Nobody knows or will know who ultimately signed the better recruiting class but according to these sites that rank on a point system, it is always obviously more favorable when you sign 4 more guys. The sites rank quantity over quality. Look at the average stars if you really want a better representation. Or the composite rankings which ranks quality over quantity as well.

[Blake]

I agree
I agree
Not this upcoming season but next season IMHO. That would be 4 recruiting classes for Sumlin.
I don't.

Who do you think is the most underrated recruit for the ags

[DesignatedT]

Who do you think is the most underrated recruit for the ags

DB Justin Evans.

[the chronic]

Huh? I have no problem Texas having the 6-7 charlie strong and his core values. Guy is the next Fran.

In Charlie's defense his two national championship rings are more than A&M has acquired in 120 years of playing football. But hey why talk facts when we can speculate on how that big year is coming for A&M soon

[djohn2oo8]

In Charlie's defense his two national championship rings are more than A&M has acquired in 120 years of playing football. But hey why talk facts when we can speculate on how that big year is coming for A&M soon

:lol Charlie develops talent better than Sumlin too

[DesignatedT]

In Charlie's defense his two national championship rings are more than A&M has acquired in 120 years of playing football. But hey why talk facts when we can speculate on how that big year is coming for A&M soon

:lol are you talking about Urban Meyer's National Championships? :lol pretty sure we all understand what Urban is about right now.

This is the equivalent of 76ers fans talking up Brett Brown and his championship rings :lol

[djohn2oo8]

What has Sumlin done?

[DesignatedT]

:lol Charlie develops talent better than Sumlin too

You learned this after his one year at Texas? Or was it all those years you were meticulously following his career at Louisville?? :lmao you don't know wtf you are talking about.

[DesignatedT]

What has Sumlin done?

Nothing as of right now. I'm not the one talking up his credentials. I think he's on the way to doing great things though. Every coach starts somewhere.

[djohn2oo8]

You learned this after his one year at Texas? Or was it all those years you were meticulously following his career at Louisville?? :lmao you don't know wtf you are talking about.

No, it was the 33 or so defensive players he has put into the draft in his career compared to how many for Sumlin? Along with a Rookie of the year NFL QB compared to Sumlin's TWO QBs who need alcoholic rehab. Sumlin has had Keenum, Manziel, and Hill. How have they turned out so far?

[leemajors]

c'moooon 2016 thread

[DesignatedT]

No, it was the 33 or so defensive players he has put into the draft in his career compared to how many for Sumlin? Along with a Rookie of the year NFL QB compared to Sumlin's TWO QBs who need alcoholic rehab. Sumlin has had Keenum, Manziel, and Hill. How have they turned out so far?

:lol compare apples to apples. Were not talking about players who went to the nfl when charlie was an assistant.

[Biggems]

CB Keivon Ramsey ended up signing with West Texas A&M.

good for him......maybe he will grow up, mature, and take this seriously......WTAMU has a very good football program. Who knows, if he does what he needs to, maybe in 3-4 years he will have his name called by Roger Goodell on a weekend in May.

Rocket Pride

[DesignatedT]

@BrandonLeone: If what happened to the duvonta lumpkin kid happened at A&M, media would destroy Sumlin reputation. They won't question Charlie S., though!

[DMX7]

@BrandonLeone: If what happened to the duvonta lumpkin kid happened at A&M, media would destroy Sumlin reputation. They won't question Charlie S., though!

That's because Strong has credibility. The NFL even came to him to learn about his core values.

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[Blake]

DB Justin Evans.

Scout shows him as a 4 star

[Hook Em 88]

Is this a serious post?

Lol

which part?

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Aggy has been getting absolutely destroyed the last few pages, especially that faggot DesignatedT.

[djohn2oo8]

:lol compare apples to apples. Were not talking about players who went to the nfl when charlie was an assistant. Strong still developed those players. Who did Sumlin develop?

[DMX7]

:lol are you talking about Urban Meyer's National Championships? :lol pretty sure we all understand what Urban is about right now.

This is the equivalent of 76ers fans talking up Brett Brown and his championship rings :lol

Uhh.... NO. Brett Brown hasn't won shit as a head coach where as Charlie has a BCS Bowl victory as a head coach. And entire Aggy program has none. :cry

[DMX7]

What has Sumlin done?

He has never even won a conference title as a head coach, Charlie has.

[Kermit]

:lol are you talking about Urban Meyer's National Championships? :lol pretty sure we all understand what Urban is about right now.

This is the equivalent of 76ers fans talking up Brett Brown and his championship rings :lol

Damn. Texas football may be bad, but it isn't 76er bad. Let pick another analogy please.

[pgardn]

I agree
I agree
Not this upcoming season but next season IMHO. That would be 4 recruiting classes for Sumlin.
I don't.

"
"
No Fckn way. But you can talk about your conference trying to hide your trembling asses during bowl season.
If this recruiting cycle is an indication of the type of players we can get coming off a horrendous season, we will rule.

[djohn2oo8]

He has never even won a conference title as a head coach, Charlie has.

Yep. Plus it's sad that Aggy is paying Sumlin 5 mill and can't sell a single thing to recruits about the program itself, gotta sell "playing in the SEC"

[Kermit]

Yep. Plus it's sad that Aggy is paying Sumlin 5 mill and can't sell a single thing to recruits about the program itself, gotta sell "playing in the SEC"

Them coattails ain't gonna ride themselves.

[TFloss32]

@BrandonLeone: If what happened to duvonta lampkin kid happened at A&M, media would destroy Sumlin reputation. They won't question Charlie S., though!

Ol' Brandon must've missed Sumlin firing his OL coach without telling his recruits first.

The media didn't destroy him, nor did they notice.

[Hook Em 88]

I looked into Brick Haleys Twitter and the last 5 people he's followed were Longhorn affiliated one of which was Taylor Gaspar of Orangebloods/ Rivals. Don't know if it truly amounts to anything but definitely something to keep an eye on.

[Thompson]

No, it was the 33 or so defensive players he has put into the draft in his career compared to how many for Sumlin?

John Chavis (http://www.goodbullhunting.com/2015/1/12/7531641/john-chavis-defensive-players-nfl-draft-picks-lsu-tennessee-texas-am)has put 72 defensive players into the draft in his career.


Ol' Brandon must've missed Sumlin firing his OL coach without telling his recruits first.

The media didn't destroy him, nor did they notice.

You mean the coach Sumlin fired way back in December? Signing day was this past Wednesday. I think there's a pretty big distinction compared to what Lampkin was complaining about (promising him his coach wasn't leaving, then having the coach leave after his letter of intent is sent in and Lampkin can't go elsewhere). And as for the NFL 'consulting' Strong, that was just publicity. Did they really need him to explain what 'no guns' means?

[djohn2oo8]

John Chavis (http://www.goodbullhunting.com/2015/1/12/7531641/john-chavis-defensive-players-nfl-draft-picks-lsu-tennessee-texas-am)has put 72 defensive players into the draft in his career.



You mean the coach Sumlin fired way back in December? Signing day was this past Wednesday. I think there's a pretty big distinction compared to what Lampkin was complaining about (promising him his coach wasn't leaving, then having the coach leave after his letter of intent is sent in and Lampkin can't go elsewhere). And as for the NFL 'consulting' Strong, that was just publicity. Did they really need him to explain what 'no guns' means?
That doesn't explain how Sumlin develops players. He doesn't. Two of his QBs (Keenum and Manziel) can't read an NFL defense.

[the chronic]

:lol are you talking about Urban Meyer's National Championships? :lol pretty sure we all understand what Urban is about right now.

This is the equivalent of 76ers fans talking up Brett Brown and his championship rings :lol


It was more about pointing out that A&M football has done essentially nothing in 120 years, and the irony of an A&M fan poking holes in somebody's accomplishments that's done more than their program ever has.

:lol

[Thompson]

That doesn't explain how Sumlin develops players. He doesn't. Two of his QBs (Keenum and Manziel) can't read an NFL defense.

So you'd rather not talk about how our defensive coordinator has developed and placed over twice as many defensive players in the draft as your head coach? Strong's '33 players' seemed so important to you a short time ago.

Joeckel was selected 2nd in the 2013 draft. Sumlin had 3 offensive players selected in the first 22 picks last year. Manziel played 3 or so games before he was injured his rookie year. And Gruden told Manziel that 'all the people who say you can't read an NFL defense can kiss my ass.' I think I'd put more stock in his evaluation than in yours, Mr. 'offense first in overtime.'

[DesignatedT]

"
"
No Fckn way. But you can talk about your conference trying to hide your trembling asses during bowl season.

We've won 4 bowl games in a row. You?

[djohn2oo8]

So you'd rather not talk about how our defensive coordinator has developed and placed over twice as many defensive players in the draft as your head coach? Strong's '33 players' seemed so important to you a short time ago.

Joeckel was selected 2nd in the 2013 draft. Sumlin had 3 offensive players selected in the first 22 picks last year. Manziel played 3 or so games before he was injured his rookie year. And Gruden told Manziel that 'all the people who say you can't read an NFL defense can kiss my ass.' I think I'd put more stock in his evaluation than in yours, Mr. 'offense first in overtime.'

Chavis isn't the head coach. Sumlin is and him and Strong are recruiting against each other. So when it comes to pitching to recruits, Strong can sell that he will develop players. Sumlin can't. He'll just take credit for other SEC players drafted that he didn't even coach.

[djohn2oo8]

We've won 4 bowl games in a row. You?

Congrats. You have won 6 bowl games since 1995.

[Thompson]

So Sumlin isn't allowed to mention that his defensive coordinator has developed twice as many players as Strong has into NFL draft picks? :lol

Sumlin is an offensive coach. He develops offensive players, and he can now tell recruits that our defensive coordinator has placed twice as many defensive players in the NFL as your (defense-oriented) head coach. I think that's a decent pitch. And NFL teams may want to 'consult' with Strong over what 'no guns' means - but they want to hire Kevin Sumlin.

[djohn2oo8]

So Sumlin isn't allowed to mention that his defensive coordinator has developed twice as many players as Strong has into NFL draft picks? :lol

Sumlin is an offensive coach. He develops offensive players, and he can now tell recruits that our defensive coordinator has placed twice as many defensive players in the NFL as your (defense-oriented) head coach. I think that's a decent pitch. And NFL teams may want to 'consult' with Strong over what 'no guns' means - but they want to hire Kevin Sumlin.

:lol This conversation is about who has Sumlin developed. And if he had any kind of record he wouldn't need to take credit for his defensive coordinator

[djohn2oo8]

So Sumlin isn't allowed to mention that his defensive coordinator has developed twice as many players as Strong has into NFL draft picks? :lol

Sumlin is an offensive coach. He develops offensive players, and he can now tell recruits that our defensive coordinator has placed twice as many defensive players in the NFL as your (defense-oriented) head coach. I think that's a decent pitch. And NFL teams may want to 'consult' with Strong over what 'no guns' means - but they want to hire Kevin Sumlin.

What offensive players has he developed?

[pgardn]

We've won 4 bowl games in a row. You?

You should not have been in a bowl game. You were horrendous. Just like us. And you still ducked us to play a worse team missing their most important player. Small victories, always small victories...

[Thompson]

So it's important that Strong has coached 33 players to the NFL (what level of involvement did he have with those players, by the way?), but it's not important that Chavis has coached over twice that many to the NFL?


What offensive players has he developed?


Joeckel was selected 2nd in the 2013 draft. Sumlin had 3 offensive players selected in the first 22 picks last year. Manziel played 3 or so games before he was injured his rookie year. And Gruden told Manziel that 'all the people who say you can't read an NFL defense can kiss my ass.' I think I'd put more stock in his evaluation than in yours, Mr. 'offense first in overtime.'

Sumlin has been involved with the development of Drew Brees, Keenum, and Manziel (http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/kevin-sumlin-qb-guru/story?id=24972329). Keenum never had the physical tools (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24097883/a-look-back-at-why-case-keenum-went-undrafted)to start in the NFL, but Sumlin helped him set several records at UH. He helped Manziel win the Heisman in his redshirt freshman year and get drafted in the first round, despite his atypical frame for an NFL player. Sumlin has multiple NFL teams (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/31/kevin-sumlin-reportedly-tells-nfl-teams-hes-staying-at-am/) trying to hire him away from A&M, not to mention USC a year ago. How many NFL teams has Strong turned down recently? I'll trust experienced NFL personnel over your evaluations.

[djohn2oo8]

So it's important that Strong has coached 33 players to the NFL (what level of involvement did he have with those players, by the way?), but it's not important that Chavis has coached over twice that many to the NFL?





Sumlin has been involved with the development of Drew Brees, Keenum, and Manziel (http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/kevin-sumlin-qb-guru/story?id=24972329). Keenum never had the physical tools (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24097883/a-look-back-at-why-case-keenum-went-undrafted)to start in the NFL, but Sumlin helped him set several records at UH. He helped Manziel win the Heisman in his redshirt freshman year and get drafted in the first round, despite his atypical frame for an NFL player. Sumlin has multiple NFL teams (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/31/kevin-sumlin-reportedly-tells-nfl-teams-hes-staying-at-am/) trying to hire him away from A&M, not to mention USC a year ago. How many NFL teams has Strong turned down recently? I'll trust experienced NFL personnel over your evaluations.

Manziel is in rehab and Keenum is a practice squad player. Neither can read an NFL defense. Manziel can't even read a playbook. Brees is a system player

[Thompson]

Why don't you list the '33 players' Strong has put into the NFL, and the level of involvement he had with each?

[DMX7]

I'll freely admit I'm not counting how many players each coach has sent to the NFL but what is the criteria here? I know Chavis has been a DC for like 15 more years than Strong so that might be worth mentioning. At the end of the day, Strong has accomplished something as a head coach, 2 conference championships and 1 BCS bowl victory. Sumlin? Not so much.

[Clipper Nation]

Congrats. You have won 6 bowl games since 1995.
:lmao

[Clipper Nation]

We've won 4 bowl games in a row. You?
http://i.imgur.com/QTWrj3y.jpg

[DesignatedT]

a decade ago :lol

[Clipper Nation]

a decade ago :lol

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[pgardn]

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I know he's a troll, but this was surgical.

[DMX7]

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:rollin

[Kermit]

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That's fucking sad.

[The Reckoning]

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[benefactor]

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Ethered tbh

[ThePop]

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rekt
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[CosmicCowboy]

Austin>College Station

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