2017 Texas Longhorns Recruiting Thread

[pgardn]

Brandon Jones Please!

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I hope it's this easy.

I fear it is not.

[pgardn]

gigem247 is teasing good update on wilson tomorrow.....................:wakeup


You can come out of the closet.

[playblair]

ondario robinson pushed back commitment date..............was set to commit to aggy but his parents want him at texas & wont let him commit aggy...................robinson is frustrated


My parents won't let me commit," Robinson said. "I'm upset because it's my decision


the marvin wilson update :depressed

on texas


The Texas Longhorns have been trending on the 247Sports crystal ball but the recent loss to Cal put a dent in the burnt orange armour. “It was a big hit on them,” he said. “I really didn’t like their d-line play. They really didn’t get any pressure on the quarterback. He was really just sitting back there making his reads and hit every target that came across the middle. That was the biggest problem I saw upfront. Their d-line didn’t play well at all that game so that was one of the big takeaways. Cal won upfront so it was a big hit for me just watching that game and seeing how many points they let up.”


on aggy


Texas A&M’s impressive win over Arkansas, especially the goal line stands, really caught the eye of the state’s top ranked player. “I’m not going to lie, after watching that game last night they are starting to make a force,” he said. “They already had a pretty decent spot on my list, but the way they’re playing, they may keep making their way up. I just loved how their defense played yesterday, especially in the red zone. They didn’t allow Arkansas to do what they wanted. I watched it all. That dude Justin Evans has a first-rounder written all over him.” He added about the A&M defensive tackle rotation, “For them, they have about five DTs rotating and I just love that. Some of those guys are seniors so I’ll have an opportunity to come in and learn. If I go to A&M, I’ll have to play.”

[pgardn]

You can come out of the closet.

Congrats.

[TFloss32]

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Florida, Georgia, Arkansas and LSU.

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[TFloss32]

Updated coaching hot seat with Miles off the board:

http://coacheshotseat.com/

[benefactor]

ondario robinson pushed back commitment date..............was set to commit to aggy but his parents want him at texas & wont let him commit aggy...................robinson is frustrated




the marvin wilson update :depressed

on texas




on aggy
Just drop the fucking act. It's tired and no one in this thread gives a shit anymore.

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[TFloss32]

Just drop the fucking act. It's tired and no one in this thread gives a shit anymore.

I highly recommend the ignore feature to everyone so all of the nonsense won't show up on your feed.

I've been taking advantage of that for over a year now.

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24/7 reporting that DE K'Lavon Chaisson of Galena Park North Shore is now down to Houston and Texas after LSU decided to fire Miles.

[texas4ever]

Texas is still in hot pursuit:

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[TFloss32]

Nothing to take seriously right now, but Scout says DE Robert Beal of Bradenton, FL will officially visit Texas in November.

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[texas4ever]

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S Bubba Bolden (Las Vegas, NV)

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http://247sports.com/Player/Bubba-Bolden-71368

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3898014/bubba-bolden

[TFloss32]

I think the last loss up there was 1997; Mackovic's final year.

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[playblair]

will make commitment this week.............texas leads/is favorite


Febres concluded his fourth and final official visit yesterday with his visit to Baylor. He plans to make his college decision this week. He is choosing between Houston, Stanford, Texas and Baylor

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[pgardn]

I highly recommend the ignore feature to everyone so all of the nonsense won't show up on your feed.

I've been taking advantage of that for over a year now.

Yep.

Done.

[Blake]

Texas is still in hot pursuit:

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Dude should go to Tech where his daddeh played

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Reasoning:

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[texas4ever]

Nothing to take seriously right now, but Scout says DE Robert Beal of Bradenton, FL will officially visit Texas in November.

Didn't he blow us off before? ESPN article (Free):

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[Blake]

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Lol

[playblair]

karen is the best recruiter at texas................texas leads............

2018 5* shakira austin #5 in nation

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[Hook Em 88]

karen is the best recruiter at texas................texas leads............

2018 5* shakira austin #5 in nation

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Probably doesn't hurt to have Tina Thompson on staff.

[TheMex]

will make commitment this week.............texas leads/is favorite



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May I say,I hate your signature!!! You're going to get me in trouble at work lol

[TFloss32]

A few quick notes from OrangeBloods...

-CB Davante Davis has been practicing this week after supposedly getting injured in the Cal game.

-CB Holton Hill has been practicing mostly with the 1s after being in the doghouse since the season started.

-OG Jake McMillon or OG Alex Anderson will be taking over for OG Kent Perkins against OK State.

[texas4ever]

WR Omar Manning had a few comments today {Rivals}

IN HIS WORDSOn Oklahoma
“They haven’t started as strong, but I still have faith in them,” he said. “That’s a strong program with a good coach.”
“When I was there with all the recruits it was great - we kicked it and had a good time,” he said. “I just had some words with the coaching staff about what they were expecting from me this year and stuff like that.”
On Texas
“Right now Texas is doing great with a new offense and Shane Buechele at quarterback,” he said. “The program’s turning around like I knew it would.”
“Last time I was out there was great, we just watched film and talked to the coaches,” he said. “Just to see the place, the environment, it was camp and there was a lot of energy going around, it was nice.”
On TCU
“It’s always great when I go there, it’s like a family affair,” he said. “I’m very cool with the coaches, the players, and it’s a great system out there.”
“It’s been a little bumpy to start, but I think they’re getting off on the right foot,” he said. “They have great players making plays.”
On Texas A&M - he was in attendance for the Aggies’ win over Arkansas (https://arkansas.rivals.com/)
“Me and [Aaron Moorehead] have a good relationship,” he said. “I’m also interested in them playing in the SEC.”
“I’m just looking at how well the offense plays, the numbers they put up and how they execute,” he said.

RIVALS REACTIONManning has yet to confirm official visit dates or locations, but said that he wanted to take his first this weekend, with Lancaster on a bye. The most likely option seems to be TCU, as the Horned Frogs are hosting the Sooners. Texas and A&M are both on the road this weekend.
Plenty of teams would love to add Manning to their class for obvious reasons. He has elite size and speed that make press coverage and leverage battles a nightmare for defensive backs. He’s a no-brainer as a fit with any of the teams that he’s considering and regardless of his production this season, has all tools that college coaches seek.

[texas4ever]

Starting Safeties???

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lj1zLQlGYk

[texas4ever]

Good Read:

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Higs mentioned earlier today that he is not confident in him ending up at Texas. More than likely TCU.

[texas4ever]

LB Erick Fowler. Will Strong unleash the beast on Saturday?

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24/7 reporting LB Dylan Moses has changed his commitment date from December 15th to January 1st due to the LSU job being open.

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Per 24/7, CB Kary Vincent of Port Arthur Memorial will be in Austin for the Baylor game on October 29th.

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[texas4ever]

Yes Sir!

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I missed this about a week ago but 2018 S Cameron Jones of Euless Trinity committed to Texas Tech.

Just received an Oklahoma offer last night.

http://247sports.com/Player/Cameron-Jones-85930

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3413669/cameron-jones

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[Blake]

I missed this about a week ago but 2018 S Cameron Jones of Euless Trinity committed to Texas Tech.

Just received an Oklahoma offer last night.

http://247sports.com/Player/Cameron-Jones-85930

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3413669/cameron-jones

It's cool but hard to get excited until name is on dotted line. ..

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Inside Texas reporting DE Lagaryonn Carson has been suspended by his high school coach for the second time this year.

They're also saying his grades haven't been getting better, so his future eligibility is very much in question.

[TheMex]

In my mind, Carson isn't a commitment anymore be he probably won't qualify.

[Vito Corleone]

In my mind, Carson isn't a commitment anymore be he probably won't qualify.

I'm with you on that one, if he sticks and gets in, great he is a heck of an athlete, but I'm not counting on it.

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[texas4ever]

Here's some water cooler talk:

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LB Anthony Hines (Plano East)

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[Blake]

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Not that slick, imo

[TFloss32]

Everyone has their opinion on how many games Strong needs to win in order to survive, but here are some quotes from big money guys (Scout):

---"If you get better after beating Notre Dame, then get better after beating UTEP, you shouldn't go out to Cal and face a team that couldn't protect its quarterback in a loss to San Diego State and look like you have no clue how to stop an Air Raid offense," said one Big-Money Critic who has been involved in every coaching change at Texas since John Mackovic was fired in 1997 (the last year Oklahoma State beat Texas in Stillwater).

"If you can't stop an Air Raid offense in the Big 12, and you're a defensive guru, then you're not a defensive guru. Either that, or you have hired the wrong people to carry out the very job that made you head-coaching material - and we're in trouble. Because the offense was God-awful the first two years under Charlie, and the defense has been God-awful the last two years. Now that the offense is fixed, we're realizing just how bad the defense has been.

"And that's the last thing you'd expect from a Charlie Strong team - for Christ's sake."

---"The problem with Charlie is," said another Big-Money Critic, "right when you think he's making progress and showing you he can out-coach the best in the business - like Bob Stoops and Brian Kelly - his team will look clueless against a coach who got fired at the end of the season at Iowa State or against a Cal team that had a doorstop at left tackle, and we couldn't see it."

---"If Strong wins seven games, he's fired. Fenves will be forced to fire him. Trust me. Our conference is winnable with our talent. And Strong deserves the credit for bringing in the talent. And I love what Charlie stands for in life with his core values. It's clear that resonates with recruits and their families. But what's killing Charlie right now is Tom Herman. The sense is Herman has gone 13-1 with a win over Florida State and then beat Oklahoma with less talent. And the sense about Charlie is, right when you think he's kickin' ass and taking names, like against OU and Kansas State last year or against Notre Dame this year, he serves you a sh*t sandwich. And too many people right now think Herman, a former graduate assistant at Texas, is the next Urban Meyer or Nick Saban."

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OL Walker Little (Bellaire Episcopal)

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[TheMex]

In my mind, Carson isn't a commitment anymore be he probably won't qualify.

[ColinB]

In my mind, Carson isn't a commitment anymore be he probably won't qualify.

Good to know your opinion hasn't changed in 3 hours.

[TheMex]

Wtf. So weird. Don't know why that sent again.

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"Every indication I’ve heard thus far is that although LSU believes Tom Herman should be a strong candidate, it does not necessarily appear that the feeling is reciprocal at this time."

I don't see Herman at LSU, but what do I know.

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they're likely to get DB Caden Sterns (2018) of Cibolo Steele as well. the kid is great.

[djohn2oo8]

"Every indication I’ve heard thus far is that although LSU believes Tom Herman should be a strong candidate, it does not necessarily appear that the feeling is reciprocal at this time."

I don't see Herman at LSU, but what do I know.



Herman wants to be able to call his own shots and wants stability. With LSU's hardon to beat Saban, not sure stability could be had there.

[texas4ever]

BASKETBALL


Jerry Meyer (director of basketball recruiting at 247) just CB'ed Jase Fabres to Texas. Reports that Fabres could make a decision as early as this week.

[pgardn]

Good to know your opinion hasn't changed in 3 hours.

The Donald has taught us it's not a problem.

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This feels like such a "make or break" game for Strong which is disappointing after the start of the season. It feels like the pendulum has swung in the complete opposite direction after the ND game.

[Blake]

It's a make or break year, imo.

8 wins might not cut it

And that ND win is looking less impressive by the day.

[Vito Corleone]

If Strong gets 8 wins Strong will be back. Our current AD doesn't want the responsibility to fire him so he will fight for that last year and if Strong gets it he will more than likely win enough games to keep the job for another 3 or 4 years. This team is amassing too much talent that even Ron Zook could win here.

Funny thing is Texas might find itself in exactly the same place LSU did with Les Miles over the last 4 years of his tenure there. Win enough to keep the job, but not enough to win championships.

The crazy thing is, the only difference I see between Strong and Mack Brown as it relates to coaching football is that Charlie absolutely sucked when it came to picking his first staff. If he had gotten his first staff remotely correct he would have been hugely successful this year. As it is, he got one guy that looks remotely successful, and that is BJM. The rest have been huge failures. Now outside of football there is no comparison how good Charlie Strong is at running the program.

[Blake]

If Strong gets 8 wins Strong will be back. Our current AD doesn't want the responsibility to fire him so he will fight for that last year and if Strong gets it he will more than likely win enough games to keep the job for another 3 or 4 years. This team is amassing too much talent that even Ron Zook could win here.

Funny thing is Texas might find itself in exactly the same place LSU did with Les Miles over the last 4 years of his tenure there. Win enough to keep the job, but not enough to win championships.

The crazy thing is, the only difference I see between Strong and Mack Brown as it relates to coaching football is that Charlie absolutely sucked when it came to picking his first staff. If he had gotten his first staff remotely correct he would have been hugely successful this year. As it is, he got one guy that looks remotely successful, and that is BJM. The rest have been huge failures. Now outside of football there is no comparison how good Charlie Strong is at running the program.

Miles and Mack had more leeway because of the titles.

And Strong is supposed to be a defense guy and they have been getting lit on that side.

I could easily see him getting fired with 8 wins and a bowl loss

[Kermit]

I thought 7 wins would save his job, but Herman has turned up the heat to boiling. Charlie has virtually no more room for error. There are no more scapegoats.

[pgardn]

Its how bad or good we look in winning or losing.
And the above can be tainted by expectations.

The expectations are not on Strong's side currently as the conference looks weak. If OSU had one loss, and OU was undefeated, Strong would have more leeway.

[TFloss32]

This feels like such a "make or break" game for Strong which is disappointing after the start of the season. It feels like the pendulum has swung in the complete opposite direction after the ND game.


I thought 7 wins would save his job, but Herman has turned up the heat to boiling. Charlie has virtually no more room for error. There are no more scapegoats.

As I said before the season, I think 7-5 is a very questionable place for Charlie to be; it could go either way.

However, if he loses the next two making Texas below 500 again, I think big money starts making moves.

Charlie would have to go on an incredible run from that point just to be above bowl eligibility and he's run out of coaching moves to make.

[Blake]

Its how bad or good we look in winning or losing.
And the above can be tainted by expectations.

The expectations are not on Strong's side currently as the conference looks weak. If OSU had one loss, and OU was undefeated, Strong would have more leeway.

The Cal loss was a bad look

[TFloss32]

The Cal loss was a bad look

I don't know if you read the quotes on the last page, but it goes hand-in-hand with the idea that Charlie can't put a consistent team on the field.

He'll win a big game and then take two steps back.

These next two are an opportunity to start breaking that trend.

[Blake]

I don't know if you read the quotes on the last page, but it goes hand-in-hand with the idea that Charlie can't put a consistent team on the field.

He'll win a big game and then take two steps back.

These next two are an opportunity to start breaking that trend.

Yeah lifting Charlie up on their shoulders just before getting skunked by Iowa St is not good

[TFloss32]

Yeah lifting Charlie up on their shoulders just before getting skunked by Iowa St is not good

That shit show was more than two steps back, but you get the picture.

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24/7 reporting CB Chevin Calloway is not solid to Iowa and his family is encouraging him to stay closer to home.

He plans on making an official visit to UT and he'll be at Nebraska this weekend.

[texas4ever]

Longhorns land a shooter! (Basketball)

Jase Febres commits!

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Free

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Lets win this thing!

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[pgardn]

The Cal loss was a bad look

It was worse than bad.

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[Vito Corleone]

I thought 7 wins would save his job, but Herman has turned up the heat to boiling. Charlie has virtually no more room for error. There are no more scapegoats.

I don't think it's just Herman.

Chris Peterson in Washington has a top 10 team in just 3 seasons as coach. And they just ass pounded a pretty good Stanford team. Charlie better understand that more should be expected than what he has been given.

I love the way Charlie recruits and runs this program, but damn, he really sucks at coaching football so far.

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It's okay to start a aggsy recruiting thread.

[pgardn]

It's okay to start a aggsy recruiting thread.

Actually I don't think TFloss would mind an Aggie thread within this thread. Just wear your team's colors, don't hide in the little girly dress.

[texas4ever]

I guess you can say Sam's back

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[clambake]

this is ugly early

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[leemajors]

pitiful

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...and they suddenly look a lot better. Bedford will be fired before Monday.

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fowler burned redshirt

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[leemajors]

...and they suddenly look a lot better. Bedford will be fired before Monday.

not really

[clambake]

poor chuck

we hardly knew ye

[Kermit]

Welp, fuck. I'm so numb to this bullshit. Can't even get angry any more.

[TheMex]

Tom Herman in my mind.

[playblair]

Welp, fuck. I'm so numb to this bullshit. Can't even get angry any more.
apathy has set in 4 ya..............aka aggy mindset from 02 - 11


Tom Herman in my mind.

lsu imho

[Vito Corleone]

LSU has no shot.

Texas can blow them out of the water in every way.

[TheMex]

apathy has set in 4 ya..............aka aggy mindset from 02 - 11



lsu imho
LSU why? Because they have an opening. He'all be playing until January, Texas could have an opening by then.

[Vito Corleone]

Blair is a troll

When Strong is Axed, Herman is going to be #1 on our list. He was a grad assistant here under Mack and has lots of ties to Texas high school football. Not to mention the State of Louisiana is fiscally tapped out and they don't have the resources we have. It might take making him the highest paid coach ever, but Texas will get him.

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Actually I don't think TFloss would mind an Aggie thread within this thread. Just wear your team's colors, don't hide in the little girly dress.

Correct, I have no problem with any fans.

Just don't pretend to be a Longhorn fan and troll.

[Biggems]

I will no longer support or defend strong. Today was absolutely the last straw for me.

You have an extra week to prepare and you still give up 49 points. You can't tackle. Your pat unit can't contain the inside rush, having 3 in a row blocked, one returned for a safety. Your 18 wheeler package is so predictable, since you never use swoopes to pass. Buechele on throws 5-8 yd passes all game. So since all you do is run and throw short passes, the opposong D can crowd the offense and not worry about about deep routes.

I'm sick of the same stupid bullshit game after game. What good is having great athletes and players if you don't coach them up and put them in a position to kick ass and take names.

Let's suffer through this year, then get Herman in here and bring his DC with him from Houston.

[TFloss32]

AD Mike Perrin on Strong from OrangeBloods:

"We need to evaluate what happened here," Perrin said. "It was not a successful outcome at all. Very disappointing on a number of fronts."

[djohn2oo8]

Blair is a troll

When Strong is Axed, Herman is going to be #1 on our list. He was a grad assistant here under Mack and has lots of ties to Texas high school football. Not to mention the State of Louisiana is fiscally tapped out and they don't have the resources we have. It might take making him the highest paid coach ever, but Texas will get him.

This. Herman turned down jobs last year to specifically see what happened with Texas. It's his dream job.

[Clipper Nation]

#HookEmHerman

[leemajors]

I will no longer support or defend strong. Today was absolutely the last straw for me.

You have an extra week to prepare and you still give up 49 points. You can't tackle. Your pat unit can't contain the inside rush, having 3 in a row blocked, one returned for a safety. Your 18 wheeler package is so predictable, since you never use swoopes to pass. Buechele on throws 5-8 yd passes all game. So since all you do is run and throw short passes, the opposong D can crowd the offense and not worry about about deep routes.

I'm sick of the same stupid bullshit game after game. What good is having great athletes and players if you don't coach them up and put them in a position to kick ass and take names.

Let's suffer through this year, then get Herman in here and bring his DC with him from Houston.

Ehh offense was toast after losing foreman and warren that's not necessarily on coaching

[Clipper Nation]

Blair is a troll

When Strong is Axed, Herman is going to be #1 on our list. He was a grad assistant here under Mack and has lots of ties to Texas high school football. Not to mention the State of Louisiana is fiscally tapped out and they don't have the resources we have. It might take making him the highest paid coach ever, but Texas will get him.
Money is not the issue at LSU. Les' contract was paid almost entirely by booster money and media revenue, not public money. The Jimbo fiasco last year wasn't about the budget itself. It was about the PR ramifications of paying a $15 million buyout during the budget crisis, regardless of where that money was actually coming from. The average casual fan who doesn't know shit about how their school's athletic department works would have been up in arms at LSU's president spending that much money right after going around crying poor all season.

If it wasn't for his dream job probably opening up in Austin, Herman would be a lock for LSU, IMO. He could still own the Houston market, he'd have minimal competition for his own state's recruits, and he'd get the keys to a great program that just needs a coach. The only thing that could possibly throw a wrench in it for both Texas and LSU is if the Fertitta brothers offer some insane amount of money that no football coach is worth to get him to stay.

[ColinB]

What's up with Strong trying to decline that penalty. Jesus Christ.

[djohn2oo8]

Money is not the issue at LSU. Les' contract was paid almost entirely by booster money and media revenue, not public money. The Jimbo fiasco last year wasn't about the budget itself. It was about the PR ramifications of paying a $15 million buyout during the budget crisis, regardless of where that money was actually coming from. The average casual fan who doesn't know shit about how their school's athletic department works would have been up in arms at LSU's president spending that much money right after going around crying poor all season.

If it wasn't for his dream job probably opening up in Austin, Herman would be a lock for LSU, IMO. He could still own the Houston market, he'd have minimal competition for his own state's recruits, and he'd get the keys to a great program that just needs a coach. The only thing that could possibly throw a wrench in it for both Texas and LSU is if the Fertitta brothers offer some insane amount of money that no football coach is worth to get him to stay.

Moreso than if the brothers offer him the money, if Houston gets in a major conference that could also keep him in town. He gets a 5 million bonus if that happens not counting a new contract.

[TFloss32]

What's up with Strong trying to decline that penalty. Jesus Christ.

A microcosm of what is Strong's in-game management.

I think the refs had to tell him don't decline.

[Clipper Nation]

Moreso than if the brothers offer him the money, if Houston gets in a major conference that could also keep him in town. He gets a 5 million bonus if that happens not counting a new contract.

Herman almost bolted for South Carolina last year. I doubt he's going to wait around to see if Houston gets into the P5, bonus be damned. Plus, it doesn't sound like the Big 12 is going to expand after all.

And frankly, I think the Big 12 factor is way overrated. Even if Houston gets into the Big 12, they're still Houston. They still aren't a blue-blood, they still can't fill their shiny new stadium even when they're ranked 6th in the country, and they're still the third-most popular program at best in their own city. None of that changes overnight just from getting into the Big 12. Herman doesn't seem like the Patterson/Whittingham/Snyder type who stays at one school forever. He'll inevitably leave UH for greener pastures.

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[djohn2oo8]

Herman almost bolted for South Carolina last year. I doubt he's going to wait around to see if Houston gets into the P5, bonus be damned. Plus, it doesn't sound like the Big 12 is going to expand after all.

And frankly, I think the Big 12 factor is way overrated. Even if Houston gets into the Big 12, they're still Houston. They still aren't a blue-blood, they still can't fill their shiny new stadium even when they're ranked 6th in the country, and they're still the third-most popular program at best in their own city. None of that changes overnight just from getting into the Big 12. Herman doesn't seem like the Patterson/Whittingham/Snyder type who stays at one school forever. He'll inevitably leave UH for greener pastures.

None of that matters to Herman, honestly. He likes to call his own shots and his family loves Houston, so wherever he moves it won't be far. Let's say Houston gets in the Big 12, do you think it will be a hard sell to get kids to stay home and play rather than go hundreds or thousands of miles to get exposure? Herman was never close to leaving for South Carolina since he was waiting to see what happened with Texas. Also, 40,000 people went to see them play Uconn :lol

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Aggy, LSU and Texas aren't thousands of miles away from Houston. Herman would still be battling it out with all the other Texas schools in the conference as well as a bunch of programs recruiting from out-of-state for the scraps that those three schools leave behind. He could get several Ed Olivers every year at Texas. Even in the Big 12, pulling that caliber of recruit would still be a rare occurrence at UH.

[djohn2oo8]

:lol Aggy, LSU and Texas aren't thousands of miles away from Houston. Herman would still be battling it out with all the other Texas schools in the conference as well as a bunch of programs recruiting from out-of-state for the scraps that those three schools leave behind. He could get several Ed Olivers every year at Texas. Even in the Big 12, pulling that caliber of recruit would still be a rare occurrence at UH.
Yeah I know those schools aren't thousands of miles away. (USC is though which is another school Herman prefers after Texas). I'm asking, would it be a hard sell to kids in Houston to say at home and play big time schools? And I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying. I'm just saying, it could be a nice pitch to kids from Houston IF, BIG IF he were to stay. Schools like Baylor, TCU would suffer greatly.

[tlongII]

It could be worse. You could be the Beavs. :(

[djohn2oo8]

But anyways, Strong has never been a fit for high powered offenses.

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[djohn2oo8]

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Oh god :lol

[Biggems]

Ehh offense was toast after losing foreman and warren that's not necessarily on coaching

I understand that the offense was lacking when we lost the RBs, but we still lacked originality before then. When Swoopes is in the game, a pass or two would be nice, so the defense will not solely key on the run. In fact, play action would be perfect. Fake a handoff and then throw it down the seam to a TE or WR who has faked a block and then ran out into a pattern.

Buechele has nice touch on the ball, give some intermediate and deep routes. Enough with almost every pass being 8 yds or less. The pass to the TE was a thing of beauty....more of that please.

I wonder if foreman had a severe side cramp, stemming from that long TD run. He grabbed his side like he was cramping really bad. I know I have felt that side pain, where every breath feels like someone is stabbing me with Excalibur in the rib area. He is no wuss either, so whatever pain he had must have been super intense for him to go down with no contact.

[Clipper Nation]

Yeah I know those schools aren't thousands of miles away. (USC is though which is another school Herman prefers after Texas). I'm asking, would it be a hard sell to kids in Houston to say at home and play big time schools? And I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying. I'm just saying, it could be a nice pitch to kids from Houston IF, BIG IF he were to stay. Schools like Baylor, TCU would suffer greatly.

Baylor's fucked already from the rape scandal regardless of what Houston does. I don't think TCU would suffer at all. They're a much better program than UH and will still attract their share of talent.

[leemajors]

I understand that the offense was lacking when we lost the RBs, but we still lacked originality before then. When Swoopes is in the game, a pass or two would be nice, so the defense will not solely key on the run. In fact, play action would be perfect. Fake a handoff and then throw it down the seam to a TE or WR who has faked a block and then ran out into a pattern.

Buechele has nice touch on the ball, give some intermediate and deep routes. Enough with almost every pass being 8 yds or less. The pass to the TE was a thing of beauty....more of that please.

I wonder if foreman had a severe side cramp, stemming from that long TD run. He grabbed his side like he was cramping really bad. I know I have felt that side pain, where every breath feels like someone is stabbing me with Excalibur in the rib area. He is no wuss either, so whatever pain he had must have been super intense for him to go down with no contact.

tbh osu had a good game plan, sat on those routes. but yeah, there was little adjustment. foreman got hurt on the TD run when the dude hit him 8 yards into the end zone and there was no flag.

[Biggems]

tbh osu had a good game plan, sat on those routes. but yeah, there was little adjustment. foreman got hurt on the TD run when the dude hit him 8 yards into the end zone and there was no flag.

oh yes, I forgot about the cheap shot late hit....thanks for the reminder. Yes, he did his job, earned his rewards for that BS hit.......

[texas4ever]

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[playblair]

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[Biily Ray Valentine]

Correct, I have no problem with any fans.

Just don't pretend to be a Longhorn fan and troll.
Well, when he changes his skin from Army to UH to post negatively on a UT recruiting site, you know all that you need to know.

[pgardn]

I'm nauseated.

The same old disorganized, mistake laden pile of crap. "We will fix this." When?
Two weeks to prepare and overall, coaches and players, have a worse game than Cal? Think about how many horrible decisions, lack of fundamentals, and basic things like extra points went bad. Over and over we see this even with wins.

The clock is running down, you are just inside you kickers comfort region, you have all your time outs and the clock runs out? This is inexcusable. It's gonna take more than a good OU game. Big steps are going to have to made the rest of the year. And small mundane essentials like extra points, snaps, fck there are so many, have got to get cleaned up.

Does anybody really believe things will really change? I just can't see it. I can hope, but I just can't see it. The same oozing sore keeps breaking out on Saturday. This is the only consistent thing about this program. We can't clear up the endemic rot. The virus lies there waiting for any little chance to show itself.

[pgardn]

tbh osu had a good game plan, sat on those routes. but yeah, there was little adjustment. foreman got hurt on the TD run when the dude hit him 8 yards into the end zone and there was no flag.

True, but this is a good illustration of our lack of any sort of resourcefulness. And that we are easy to plan for because we can't really carry out any clever sort of adjustment on D because we can't even get the basics.

[3rdCoastTexasBoy]

From Chip Brown
Talked to several key players who usually have some influence over the status of the Texas football coach, including high-ranking players at UT.
There will be no mid-season action taken on the head coach.
"There's no upside," a key player said.
Texas president Greg Fenves ultimately will make the call on if Strong will stay or go.
And I was told tonight, "The Tower is in no way ready to hit the panic button one quarter of the way into the season."
I texted with the influential big money donors I spoke with in Wednesday's HD ONLY about what was at stake in the Ok State game for Strong.
One said: "If this is fixing it with Strong's involvement - then this doesn't bode well for him."
Another said: "Not sure he can fix this. The 18-point losses - his 10th in three years after Saturday - were supposed to be over."
Another said: "Really wanted today to be different. Well, actually it was. It was worse defensively than the Cal game."
When asked if Strong could buy himself time by firing Vance Bedford and replacing him (maybe with Clint Hurtt) , One powerful big-money source said:
"That should've happened last week. That's the problem with Charlie - everything comes too late. The offensive changes. The defensive changes. He only has two coaches left from his original staff , and we're talking about him possibly firing one of the remaining two. Someone who should have been fired after last year or after last game, right?"
To say Strong needs the best week of his coaching life at Texas heading into the OU game might be putting it mildly.
It's dire times in Texas football once again.

[playblair]

bianco will ban/blackball anwar 4 this

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[Bloeddyr10]

5-star LB Dylan Moses
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[Bloeddyr10]

This got lost yesterday in the aftermath of the game. 2018 QB Spencer Sanders of Denton Ryan committed to Oklahoma State after the game.
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[Kermit]

Noerrbody.

[TFloss32]

Multiple sites reporting Coach Bedford will officially be demoted tomorrow.

[playblair]

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[elbamba]

Multiple sites reporting Coach Bedford will officially be demoted tomorrow.

Horns to demote D-boss Vance Bedford; Charlie Strong to assume duties
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/17700994/texas-longhorns-demote-defensive-coordinator-vance-bedford

Looks like it is official. Not sure that Bedford is more than just a small part of the problem. Maybe Strong can teach his team how to tackle. The secondary is lousy and Jefferson looks like he has taken a step back. In fact, Wheeler looks just as bad.

[TFloss32]

S Robert Barnes (Southlake Carroll)

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2018 S Caden Sterns (Cibolo Steele)

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[TFloss32]

Week 6 television schedule:

http://www.espn.com/college-football/schedule/_/week/6

[TFloss32]

Updated rankings:

http://www.espn.com/college-football/rankings

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[Juan]

https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/charlie.gif

[TFloss32]

So good.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CttOAOUVYAA1Fr2.jpg

[Blake]

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19 grades on defense

4 As
9 Bs
7 Cs

No Ds or Fs

..but okie St hung half a hundred. ....

Lol.

[TFloss32]

In Burton's daily post on 24/7 this morning, he mentioned multiple sources have told him Strong is very likely to be replaced at the end of the season.

And contrary to popular belief about how Texas does things, he's also told there wouldn't be hesitation to fire Strong mid-season if things continue to be embarrassing.

[ColinB]

So good.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CttOAOUVYAA1Fr2.jpg

:lol

[Kermit]

In Burton's daily post on 24/7 this morning, he mentioned multiple sources have told him Strong is very likely to be replaced at the end of the season.

And contrary to popular belief about how Texas does things, he's also told there wouldn't be hesitation to fire Strong mid-season if things continue to be embarrassing.


They would never do that, even if he loses the remaining games. There's no one to replace him, it sends a bad message to future head coaches, and there is precedent at Texas with regards to allowing coaches to finish the season, no matter the sport. If Herman is indeed the target, he's going to be coaching until 2017 anyway.

[texas4ever]

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[ATX_Horn]

19 grades on defense

4 As
9 Bs
--------- This is the pass/fail line for the grading system that the coach uses.
7 Cs

No Ds or Fs

..but okie St hung half a hundred. ....

Lol.

You just don't know how the grading system works. The majority of the grades were barely passing. 7 members received failing grades.

[TFloss32]

RB Kennedy Brooks of Mansfield has committed to Oklahoma.

http://247sports.com/Player/Kennedy-Brooks-77380

[TFloss32]

OrangeBloods added that Warren is out indefinitely with no timeline to return.

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[Kermit]

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How is this fat, unhealthy, sloven fuck still alive?

[DMX7]

I thought Strong had basically already taken over the job of DC. I guess now it's just official.

[texbound]

How is this fat, unhealthy, sloven fuck still alive?

Better living by Billions

[Blake]

You just don't know how the grading system works. The majority of the grades were barely passing. 7 members received failing grades.

So at UT a C means fail.

K.

[Trill Clinton]

If defense is the problem, how is bringing in an offensive minded coach (Hermann) going to fix the problem?

[Blake]

How is this fat, unhealthy, sloven fuck still alive?

He's hanging around just long enough to say 'I told you so' about Charlie

[TFloss32]

I thought Strong had basically already taken over the job of DC. I guess now it's just official.

The Bedford demotion is a facade, imo.

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[ColinB]

If defense is the problem, how is bringing in an offensive minded coach (Hermann) going to fix the problem?

You hope he surrounds himself with quality coordinators, something Strong struggled with.

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[texbound]

OrangeBloods added that Warren is out indefinitely with no timeline to return.

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So, it's going to be Foreman and Porter with a little Houston now and then. Is Kirk Johnson out for the Season?

[TFloss32]

So, it's going to be Foreman and Porter with a little Houston now and then. Is Kirk Johnson out for the Season?

Johnson hasn't been ruled out for the season, but there's no telling when he'll be back.

[ATX_Horn]

So at UT a C means fail.

K.

Dude, this isn't grade school. It's the grading system that a former coach used over the years to grade football players.

He watches the game tape and provides his thoughts in a piece for Inside Texas.

[DMX7]

The Bedford demotion is a facade, imo.

How so?

[TFloss32]

Some random notes from Inside Texas...

-the injury to RB Chris Warren is a PCL and he's likely done for the season.

-CB Holton Hill was suspended for the OK State game and they're not sure if he'll play for OU despite being listed on the depth chart. He's still in the doghouse.

-Bedford was the one who started out calling defensive plays against OK State, but Strong took over quickly.

-they're hearing that the news of Strong being replaced was coming out during the OK State game, signaling things may be moving faster than previously thought.

[TFloss32]

How so?

I'm of the opinion it's always been Strong's defense and demoting Bedford is meaningless.

He mentioned last week he would personally fix the defense and was even calling plays against OK State.

This is simply the last card Charlie has to play before he's fired.

[Trill Clinton]

Some random notes from Inside Texas...

-the injury to RB Chris Warren is a PCL and he's likely done for the season.

-CB Holton Hill was suspended for the OK State game and they're not sure if he'll play for OU despite being listed on the depth chart. He's still in the doghouse.

-Bedford was the one who started out calling defensive plays against OK State, but Strong took over quickly.

-they're hearing that the news of Strong being replaced was coming out during the OK State game, signaling things may be moving faster than previously thought.

Any info on why hill is in the doghouse?

[TFloss32]

FYI the university has announced they will no longer have the weekly defensive press conferences on Wednesdays.

[TFloss32]

Any info on why hill is in the doghouse?

I've seen things ranging from he's not taking football seriously to an off-the-field incident that happened over the summer.

[Blake]

Dude, this isn't grade school. It's the grading system that a former coach used over the years to grade football players.

He watches the game tape and provides his thoughts in a piece for Inside Texas.

K.

[Vito Corleone]

You can bet the Big Cigars have already called Tom Herman's agent and started talking numbers. I'm sure LSU has done the same.

[Blake]

You can bet the Big Cigars have already called Tom Herman's agent and started talking numbers. I'm sure LSU has done the same.

$9 - $10 mill imo

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[elbamba]

I really wanted Strong to work but from a football perspective he has been awful. I just don't get how you can make your name on defense and then coach a team of talented athletes to give up 50 points per game. All the basic fundamental mishaps that we saw with Manny Diaz have reappeared. I almost feel bad for the defense when they are on the field. The offense has taken a step back as well. If Shane can't throw down field this team is in danger of not cracking 6 wins again.

Hopefully the next coach will not need to come in and clean house. There is enough tallent that I thought this team was 2 years from playing for a playoff spot. Now I have no clue.

[texas4ever]

Any info on why hill is in the doghouse?

Chip Brown reporting Holton Hill, who has been banged up (supposedly) will be back vs OU this week.

[texas4ever]

SIAP:

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[Trill Clinton]

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I agree with the writer. The team is still VERY young all around. Its too early to be thinking coaching change. Most had UT at 2-2 at this point anyway before the season.

[TFloss32]

I agree with the writer. The team is still VERY young all around. Its too early to be thinking coaching change. Most had UT at 2-2 at this point anyway before the season.

If you have some time.

.....one of the worst performing coaches in the modern era.

Inspired by @OwlsAndHorns ‘s great threads over the weekend (THREAD #1 / THREAD #2), I decided to take a deeper look at how Charlie stacks up to his peers. So, I researched every game, coached by every coach, from 1973 to present at the following Blue Blood & near Blue Blood programs: Alabama, Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, LSU, Miami, Michigan, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Penn State, Tennessee, Texas, and USC. In total, 99 different coaches coached at least 1 game, with 84 of them coaching at least 29 (the same number Charlie has coached at Texas).

While it’s easy to compare Charlie’s record vs the tenure of these coaches, it doesn’t give you an apples to apples comparison. So, I specifically looked at how Charlie’s first 29 games compared to the first 29 games of those 81 coaches. The results aren’t surprising, but they are depressing nonetheless. Out of those 81 coaches, Charlie’s winning percentage is tied for the 4th worst.

31.0% - John Blake, Oklahoma
31.0% - Curley Hallman, LSU
41.4% - Charley Pell, Florida
44.8% - Charlie Strong, Texas
44.8% - Rich Rodriguez, Michigan
44.8% - Doug Barfield, Auburn
44.8% - Johnny Majors, Tennessee
48.3% - Derek Dooley, Tennessee
48.3% - Mike Shula, Alabama
48.3% - Butch Jones, Tennessee

Those are the only coaches whose record in their first 29 games was below .500. So, it’s pretty obvious Charlie has had one of the worst starts of any coach at any elite program in 40+ years.

While it doesn’t paint a pretty picture, it also doesn’t paint the entire picture. So next, I looked at how coaches who had a mediocre start finished up. In my book, 7-5 is pretty mediocre. That’s a winning percentage of 58.3%. So, I pulled every coach that had a winning percentage of 58.3% or worse in his first 29 games, and looked at his record for every game AFTER those first 29. In total, 20 coaches basically averaged the equivalent of a 7-5 season or worse in their first 29 games. Of those 20 coaches, only 3 of the 20 coaches actually improved their winning percentage by at least 10 percentage points: Charley Pell at Florida, Johnny Majors at Tennessee, and John Cooper at Ohio State. But, Cooper was the ONLY one that averaged better than 66.7% (the equivalent of an 8-4 regular season) in those games. His winning percentage in all games after the first 29 was 74.4%, which is the equivalent of going 9-3. Said another way, given time, history shows it’s highly unlikely a coach recovers to become elite.

So, what of the coaches that actually did become elite from those 81? 25 of them combined to win 37 National Championships. The lowest winning percentage of an eventual NC winner in his first 29 games was a tie between Bobby Bowden & Lou Holts at 65.5%.

65.5% - Bobby Bowden, Florida State
65.5% - Lou Holtz, Notre Dame
69.0% - Pete Carroll, USC
69.0% - Mack Brown, Texas
69.0% - Howard Schnellenberger, Miami
69.9% - Danny Ford, Clemson

Those were the only coaches that started under .700. And, 13 of the 24 actually started .750+. That tells you that coaches that are going to be elite flash early. They may have a rocky first year, but they’re cranking by year two. In fact, numerous coaches won their first NC early in their tenure.

Won NC in 1st year:
* Larry Coker
* Dennis Erickson

Won NC in 2nd year:
* Bob Stoops
* Barry Switzer
* Gene Chizik
* Urban Meyer (Florida)
* Jim Tressel

Won NC in 3rd year:
* Nick Saban (Alabama)
* Gene Stallings
* Lou Holtz
* Dan Devine
* Urban Meyer (tOSU)
* Barry Switzer
* Pete Carroll
* Lloyd Carr
* Les Miles
* Dennis Erickson
* John Robinson

Won NC in 4th year:
* Pete Carroll
* Urban Meyer (Florida)
* Jimbo Fisher
* Jimmy Johnson
* Danny Ford
* Nick Saban (LSU)

Here’s where the data is staggeringly condemning of Charlie……..of the 37 NCs won, 24 were won in their first 4 years on the job! In fact, of those 25 NC winning coaches, only Mack Brown, Phil Fulmer, Steve Spurrier, Tom Osborne, Bobby Bowden, and Howard Schnellenberger didn’t win their first NC within their first 4 years. Just think about that for a minute. Of the 25 coaches at those 17 programs that won NCs, 19 of them won their first NC within 4 years on the sidelines. And in the case of Bowden & Schnellenberger, they were building programs that no one even knew existed before they took the helm. We can cross fingers & toes, shake Magic 8 Balls, and say all the prayers we want……….there has never been a coach in the modern era at any quality program that has started as poorly (or even as close to as poorly as Charlie), and gone on to greatness. John Cooper is the only one that came close.

So then, if history shows us Charlie isn’t going to become an elite coach, what does history suggest about how to proceed. This is where it’s interesting. If you’d asked me whether it was better to fire a coach mid-season or at the end of a season, I’d have said “end of a season”, b/c I would think an interim coach would fare worse. But, the data says otherwise. Check this out. These are the coaches from those 17 programs that were fired mid-season, and how their replacements fared.

1984 Florida – Galen Hall (8-0) took over for Charley Pell (1-1-1).
1992 Tennessee – Phil Fulmer (4-0) took over for Johnny Majors (5-3). Won the Hall of Fame Bowl.
1998 Auburn – Bill Oliver (2-3) took over for Terry Bowden (1-5).
2008 Clemson – Dabo Swiney (4-3) took over for Terry Bowden (3-3). Lost the Gator Bowl.
2013 USC – Ed Orgeron (6-2) took over for Lane Kiffin (3-2). Quit before the bowl game b/c he was passed over for the HC job.
2015 Miami – Larry Scott (4-2) took over for Al Golden (4-3). Lost the Sun Bowl.
2015 USC – Clay Helton (5-4) took over for Steve Sarkisian (3-2). Lost the Holiday Bowl.

In every single instance, the interim coach performed as well or better than the fired coach. And what’s really interesting is 4 of those 7 coaches performed well enough to get offered the permanent job, with 3 of them going on to become pretty darn good coaches (Dabo, Hall & Fulmer). It seems assigning an interim coach mid-season is a great way to get an on-field interview with an up & coming assistant, while trying new ideas that may improve the season beyond what the lame duck coach would have been able to do.

On a side note, the only coaches in the group to have at least 3 Top 5 finishes and not win a NC are Fred Akers & Mark Richt. I found that interesting. Every other coach that hit that mark won a NC. Also, the only coaches who coached at least 5 seasons, won over 75% of their games, and didn’t win a NC are Frank Solich (Nebraska) & Earle Bruce (tOSU). 23 coaches had a +.750 winning percentage. 21 of them won NCs. Only 6 NC winning coaches started with a winning percentage under 70% in their first 29 games, and all of them were over 65%. So, there is a 0.01% chance Charlie becomes the first coach to lose half of his games the first 3 years, then goes on to win a NC.

[pgardn]

I agree with the writer. The team is still VERY young all around. Its too early to be thinking coaching change. Most had UT at 2-2 at this point anyway before the season.

Its how you win and lose.

Have you watched ANY games? This team is absolutely horrific on the simplest tasks. Have you seen the inability to understand the clock? Have you seen the FG, PAT consistently late getting out on the field and not knowing where to be? Have you seen members of the defense with hands up in the air, heads looking back and forth for a defensive call while the other team is in a hurry up offense? Do I need to continue?

[Kermit]

The Big Lead article would make sense if Charlie was not losing inexplicably. These losses are the result of scheme, technique, and flat out incompetence from a coaching perspective. Yes, the team is young. They then should show improvement. This team does not. Yes the quarterback is a freshman. He is not the issue. The program has recruited exceptionally well considering the seasons it has had. I don't know why that was brought up. Possibly to suck SEC cock. Some writers are contractionally obligated. And boosters run every college program as if they own the damn program. I think that Texas's boosters have been remarkably patient and that patience has not been rewarded. Record ass lickings have a way of making people desperate. I always thought Charlie deserved a third year, but goddamn he's pissing it away.

[Trill Clinton]

If you have some time.

.....one of the worst performing coaches in the modern era.

Inspired by @OwlsAndHorns ‘s great threads over the weekend (THREAD #1 / THREAD #2), I decided to take a deeper look at how Charlie stacks up to his peers. So, I researched every game, coached by every coach, from 1973 to present at the following Blue Blood & near Blue Blood programs: Alabama, Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, LSU, Miami, Michigan, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Penn State, Tennessee, Texas, and USC. In total, 99 different coaches coached at least 1 game, with 84 of them coaching at least 29 (the same number Charlie has coached at Texas).

While it’s easy to compare Charlie’s record vs the tenure of these coaches, it doesn’t give you an apples to apples comparison. So, I specifically looked at how Charlie’s first 29 games compared to the first 29 games of those 81 coaches. The results aren’t surprising, but they are depressing nonetheless. Out of those 81 coaches, Charlie’s winning percentage is tied for the 4th worst.

31.0% - John Blake, Oklahoma
31.0% - Curley Hallman, LSU
41.4% - Charley Pell, Florida
44.8% - Charlie Strong, Texas
44.8% - Rich Rodriguez, Michigan
44.8% - Doug Barfield, Auburn
44.8% - Johnny Majors, Tennessee
48.3% - Derek Dooley, Tennessee
48.3% - Mike Shula, Alabama
48.3% - Butch Jones, Tennessee

Those are the only coaches whose record in their first 29 games was below .500. So, it’s pretty obvious Charlie has had one of the worst starts of any coach at any elite program in 40+ years.

While it doesn’t paint a pretty picture, it also doesn’t paint the entire picture. So next, I looked at how coaches who had a mediocre start finished up. In my book, 7-5 is pretty mediocre. That’s a winning percentage of 58.3%. So, I pulled every coach that had a winning percentage of 58.3% or worse in his first 29 games, and looked at his record for every game AFTER those first 29. In total, 20 coaches basically averaged the equivalent of a 7-5 season or worse in their first 29 games. Of those 20 coaches, only 3 of the 20 coaches actually improved their winning percentage by at least 10 percentage points: Charley Pell at Florida, Johnny Majors at Tennessee, and John Cooper at Ohio State. But, Cooper was the ONLY one that averaged better than 66.7% (the equivalent of an 8-4 regular season) in those games. His winning percentage in all games after the first 29 was 74.4%, which is the equivalent of going 9-3. Said another way, given time, history shows it’s highly unlikely a coach recovers to become elite.

So, what of the coaches that actually did become elite from those 81? 25 of them combined to win 37 National Championships. The lowest winning percentage of an eventual NC winner in his first 29 games was a tie between Bobby Bowden & Lou Holts at 65.5%.

65.5% - Bobby Bowden, Florida State
65.5% - Lou Holtz, Notre Dame
69.0% - Pete Carroll, USC
69.0% - Mack Brown, Texas
69.0% - Howard Schnellenberger, Miami
69.9% - Danny Ford, Clemson

Those were the only coaches that started under .700. And, 13 of the 24 actually started .750+. That tells you that coaches that are going to be elite flash early. They may have a rocky first year, but they’re cranking by year two. In fact, numerous coaches won their first NC early in their tenure.

Won NC in 1st year:
* Larry Coker
* Dennis Erickson

Won NC in 2nd year:
* Bob Stoops
* Barry Switzer
* Gene Chizik
* Urban Meyer (Florida)
* Jim Tressel

Won NC in 3rd year:
* Nick Saban (Alabama)
* Gene Stallings
* Lou Holtz
* Dan Devine
* Urban Meyer (tOSU)
* Barry Switzer
* Pete Carroll
* Lloyd Carr
* Les Miles
* Dennis Erickson
* John Robinson

Won NC in 4th year:
* Pete Carroll
* Urban Meyer (Florida)
* Jimbo Fisher
* Jimmy Johnson
* Danny Ford
* Nick Saban (LSU)

Here’s where the data is staggeringly condemning of Charlie……..of the 37 NCs won, 24 were won in their first 4 years on the job! In fact, of those 25 NC winning coaches, only Mack Brown, Phil Fulmer, Steve Spurrier, Tom Osborne, Bobby Bowden, and Howard Schnellenberger didn’t win their first NC within their first 4 years. Just think about that for a minute. Of the 25 coaches at those 17 programs that won NCs, 19 of them won their first NC within 4 years on the sidelines. And in the case of Bowden & Schnellenberger, they were building programs that no one even knew existed before they took the helm. We can cross fingers & toes, shake Magic 8 Balls, and say all the prayers we want……….there has never been a coach in the modern era at any quality program that has started as poorly (or even as close to as poorly as Charlie), and gone on to greatness. John Cooper is the only one that came close.

So then, if history shows us Charlie isn’t going to become an elite coach, what does history suggest about how to proceed. This is where it’s interesting. If you’d asked me whether it was better to fire a coach mid-season or at the end of a season, I’d have said “end of a season”, b/c I would think an interim coach would fare worse. But, the data says otherwise. Check this out. These are the coaches from those 17 programs that were fired mid-season, and how their replacements fared.

1984 Florida – Galen Hall (8-0) took over for Charley Pell (1-1-1).
1992 Tennessee – Phil Fulmer (4-0) took over for Johnny Majors (5-3). Won the Hall of Fame Bowl.
1998 Auburn – Bill Oliver (2-3) took over for Terry Bowden (1-5).
2008 Clemson – Dabo Swiney (4-3) took over for Terry Bowden (3-3). Lost the Gator Bowl.
2013 USC – Ed Orgeron (6-2) took over for Lane Kiffin (3-2). Quit before the bowl game b/c he was passed over for the HC job.
2015 Miami – Larry Scott (4-2) took over for Al Golden (4-3). Lost the Sun Bowl.
2015 USC – Clay Helton (5-4) took over for Steve Sarkisian (3-2). Lost the Holiday Bowl.

In every single instance, the interim coach performed as well or better than the fired coach. And what’s really interesting is 4 of those 7 coaches performed well enough to get offered the permanent job, with 3 of them going on to become pretty darn good coaches (Dabo, Hall & Fulmer). It seems assigning an interim coach mid-season is a great way to get an on-field interview with an up & coming assistant, while trying new ideas that may improve the season beyond what the lame duck coach would have been able to do.

On a side note, the only coaches in the group to have at least 3 Top 5 finishes and not win a NC are Fred Akers & Mark Richt. I found that interesting. Every other coach that hit that mark won a NC. Also, the only coaches who coached at least 5 seasons, won over 75% of their games, and didn’t win a NC are Frank Solich (Nebraska) & Earle Bruce (tOSU). 23 coaches had a +.750 winning percentage. 21 of them won NCs. Only 6 NC winning coaches started with a winning percentage under 70% in their first 29 games, and all of them were over 65%. So, there is a 0.01% chance Charlie becomes the first coach to lose half of his games the first 3 years, then goes on to win a NC.

Ugh, okay that's bad.


Its how you win and lose.

Have you watched ANY games? This team is absolutely horrific on the simplest tasks. Have you seen the inability to understand the clock? Have you seen the FG, PAT consistently late getting out on the field and not knowing where to be? Have you seen members of the defense with hands up in the air, heads looking back and forth for a defensive call while the other team is in a hurry up offense? Do I need to continue?

Yea i've seen all of that. I'm just wondering how and why it got to this point. His louisville teams never had this problem and they managed to still be relatively good after he left.

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Damn... I dont see how he rights this ship. The ND game seems so long ago.

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Damn... I dont see how he rights this ship. The ND game seems so long ago.

It doesn't help his case that Notre Dame is not good.

That Duke team previously lost to Northwestern and Wake Forest.

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It doesn't help his case that Notre Dame is not good.

That Duke team previously lost to Northwestern and Wake Forest.
True. I actually thought that the Cal loss would be a good thing and wake the team up before conference play. Two weeks to prepare and that's what he trots out there? No excuse!

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True. I actually thought that the Cal loss would be a good thing and wake the team up before conference play. Two weeks to prepare and that's what he trots out there? No excuse!

You can't throw analysis at a rivalry game because weird stuff happens, but it's potentially ugly.

The defense is clueless, Buechele is clearly hurting from his rib injury, Foreman may go down quickly, Warren is out, etc.

[djohn2oo8]

If defense is the problem, how is bringing in an offensive minded coach (Hermann) going to fix the problem?

Herman has a damn good defensive coordinator with him named Todd Orlando

[Biily Ray Valentine]

Well, I tend to be an optimist, so I hope the team goes out there and whoops up on the sooners and turns this around, but if they show more of the same, Charlie should and will go for sure.

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Strong officially takes over the #1 spot:

http://coacheshotseat.com

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Per 24/7, CB Kobe Boyce and S Robert Barnes will be at the Cotton Bowl this weekend for the Texas/OU game.

OU will be hosting recruits this year since they're the home team.

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that's it? the way Baker is playing, as well as our secondary, it should be a much bigger spread.

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Yea i've seen all of that. I'm just wondering how and why it got to this point. His louisville teams never had this problem and they managed to still be relatively good after he left.

I am perplexed as well.

I so badly wanted him to do well but it's a disaster.

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[Clipper Nation]

Oregon is a gimmick program in the middle of nowhere, and no coach in the world will change that as long as Uncle Phil's involved. They had a cute little run (still no national titles and exposed every time they faced a real defense) and it's over now.

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Oregon is a gimmick program in the middle of nowhere, and no coach in the world will change that as long as Uncle Phil's involved. They had a cute little run (still no national titles and exposed every time they faced a real defense) and it's over now.

As long as Phil keeps throwing money at it, Oregon will always have a shot at being a contender. They're just in a funk right now, similar to the horns

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If anyone is still wondering about the extent to which Strong has been involved with the defense, here's a quote from DT Chris Nelson:

“I think it’s going to be the same. He’s on us every day. He’s always in our meetings. It’s going to be the same.”

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If anyone is still wondering about the extent to which Strong has been involved with the defense, here's a quote from DT Chris Nelson:

“I think it’s going to be the same. He’s on us every day. He’s always in our meetings. It’s going to be the same.”

I've seen a couple of quotes from players and for me its the biggest indictment against Charlie. There are a lot of talking heads and people with "sources", but when the players seem to be mailing it in, it's over. Hope I'm wrong, but Charlie seems to have all the decks stacked against him. Some of it self inflicted, but never the less...

[pgardn]

I'm done if the below comes to fruition.

I wonder what if feels like to have no college football team to foot for. It's so hollow rooting against a team. I would miss the ups and downs and then the probable improvement. But I could not in anyway be a Texas fan. 4 generations worth and I bail out. Never, just can't root for this filth.




From what we were told there is a certain faction of donors that want to make another run at Alabama’s Nick Saban. The thought is that Saban would be even more open to taking the job due to the increase in talent level and an opportunity to ride into the sunset after righting the Texas ship.

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