Spurs trade ideas

[RC_Drunkford]

I could see the Spurs sign Zion in 2035 as a spark off the bench with Wemby trying to win his 7th ring...

[ambchang]

What's your offer if NOP says Trey's off the market, you can only have Zion?

Take away the Atlanta and Chicago picks. So whiles it’s sochan plus, 2 FRP plus salary, reality it’s sochan, 1 low teens pick and 2 SRPs for him.

[mo7888]

I see Jake Fischer has some interesting tidbits regarding Cam Johnson. To sum it up the Pacers and Kings are the main suitors right now. The Nets want a young player and 2 firsts (although he didn't comment on protections for those picks). The best offer they currently are known to have is Heurter + lyles + 1 first. That's the current benchmark.

[scott]

I see Jake Fischer has some interesting tidbits regarding Cam Johnson. To sum it up the Pacers and Kings are the main suitors right now. The Nets want a young player and 2 firsts (although he didn't comment on protections for those picks). The best offer they currently are known to have is Heurter + lyles + 1 first. That's the current benchmark.

I think that's Kings offer is the kind (if it's the best available) the Nets just say fuck it and roll into the offseason with Cam to

Net's don't need any more middling FRPs this year, they've already got 4 (3 of which are currently projected from #22-27). The earliest SAC pick they could trade anyway would be 2028, and it would be dependent on the pick they owe to ATL conveying prior to 2027, or it would have to be pushed to 2029. If I'm BKN I probably want SAC2030 anyway to just play the natural variance of the pick.

IND owes a 2026 with very light protection (1-4 which carries into 2027 as well) to TOR, and that pick is highly likely to convey. IND is a young team on the rise, so another situation where you probably want to get as late as possible from them. I wonder if BKN would go as far to ask for Mathurin. I wouldn't do that deal if I'm IND, but who knows. Sheppard (23) and Walker (21) are IND's other prime young assets. I wonder how BKN would view Sochan in your idea to get involved in that if it could return Walker and Nesmith.

[mo7888]

I think that's Kings offer is the kind (if it's the best available) the Nets just say fuck it and roll into the offseason with Cam to

Net's don't need any more middling FRPs this year, they've already got 4 (3 of which are currently projected from #22-27). The earliest SAC pick they could trade anyway would be 2028, and it would be dependent on the pick they owe to ATL conveying prior to 2027, or it would have to be pushed to 2029. If I'm BKN I probably want SAC2030 anyway to just play the natural variance of the pick.

IND owes a 2026 with very light protection (1-4 which carries into 2027 as well) to TOR, and that pick is highly likely to convey. IND is a young team on the rise, so another situation where you probably want to get as late as possible from them. I wonder if BKN would go as far to ask for Mathurin. I wouldn't do that deal if I'm IND, but who knows. Sheppard (23) and Walker (21) are IND's other prime young assets. I wonder how BKN would view Sochan in your idea to get involved in that if it could return Walker and Nesmith.

I think Sochan plus Chicago's pick + a pick swap of our best this year for one of their's this year would get the job done either for Cam coming to us or getting those assets out of the 3-team deal from indy.

Nets- Sochan + Collins + Branham + Chicago 1st + our 1st

Spurs- Cam + Sharpe + NY 1st

Or

Nets - Sochan + Collins + Branham + Chicago 1st + Indy 2028 1st

Indy- Cam + Wesley

Spurs- Obi + Walker + Nesmith + Sharpe + 1st

[mo7888]

It looks like Pat Williams is on the block now-fyi

[CGD]

It looks like Pat Williams is on the block now-fyi

2 years too late, classic Bulls

[mo7888]

Anybody for:

Bulls- Collins + Branham + Wesley + their 1st back

Spurs: Williams + Smith

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs should be up on every 3-and-D wing 27 and under tbh. We need at least 2 more of these.

[baseline bum]

2 years too late, classic Bulls

Patrick Williams has never looked like he was going to become anybody tbh. Which probably means he'll be the big trade the Spurs make. Like the 2020s version of when they got Samaki Wanker.

[baseline bum]

Anybody for:

Bulls- Collins + Branham + Wesley + their 1st back

Spurs: Williams + Smith

Feels like trading warm bodies for warm bodies and you lose a pick. I'll pass.

[Bruno]

Regarding Patrick Williams:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bulls/2025/01/18/according-to-a-source-add-patrick-williams-to-bulls-trade-block


the source said Williams hasn’t been easy to work with. As is the case with most NBA teams, individual coaches are matched up with individual players, and there has been frustration on both sides with previous matchups. The source stressed that Williams hasn’t been volatile or difficult in terms of his behavior. It’s more about him not being completely comfortable to buy in to what’s being communicated.

I'm not sure what there is behind that but I doubt that adding Williams to a team that already isn't playing smart is a good idea.

[rascal]

Spurs most likely have four players as untouchable, Wemby, Vassell, Sochan and Castle

Most likely they want to trade Collins if they can find any takers.

[ace3g]

Biggest task right now for the Spurs is to find players/rotations that work when Wemby is on the bench.

[scott]

Here's a trade idea:

Make trades while the team is on it's flight to Paris, so when they land some of these scrubs have to just hangout in the American Express Lounge until their flight home boards.

[LeBowen]

Here's a trade idea:

Make trades while the team is on it's flight to Paris, so when they land some of these scrubs have to just hangout in the American Express Lounge until their flight home boards.

Or even better see if Tony and Boris can pull some strings and get us a few players from French league, it's not like they can be any worse than some of the charity cases on our team.

[quentin_compson]

If the Spurs want to move on from Tre Jones, they might try offering him to the Pistons, who could need another solid PG now that Ivey is injured.

[Pauleta14]

If the Spurs want to move on from Tre Jones, they might try offering him to the Pistons, who could need another solid PG now that Ivey is injured.

If you were the Pistons why would you want Tre Jones???

If it's just to bring the ball past half court they can use their roster who I'm pretty sure don't have any midget who can't shoot

[LeBowen]

Two teams interested in Toronto’s Chris Boucher (who has a very quiet 6th Man of the Year case) are San Antonio and Denver. The Spurs are ready to upgrade their non-Wemby minutes at center, and Denver desperately needs more rotation players.

He's on a $10M expiring contract, no way Raptors take Collins.
I think Tre for Boucher is a reasonable trade, then they can find a third team to take Tre for some seconds.

[KingKev]

I’d rather use Tre as a small incentive to help unload Zollins or Keldon or as salary filler in a bigger deal or just let him walk come summer.

[scott]

Boucher is not a name I would have expected to hear, at least not in the Backup C discussion.

He's undersized, not really a rim protector and not really that great of a rebounder. If he's being looked at more as a stretch 4, that would make a lot more sense (similar to a John Collins).

He's also on an expiring, which begs a few questions:

1. So we are trying to make a playin push? If not, why bring in a rental? One explanation would be that the team is completely fed up with the incompetence of the bench unit and just wants someone to raise it to a level of decency so as not to throttle development of the other players (if so, welcome to the opinion you should have had 18 months ago).

2. Do the Spurs like him as a multi-year role player? If so, why not just wait until the offseason? Also, he's 32, what are the Spurs seeing there?

3. Are we looking at it the wrong way, and perhaps TOR is interested in something of ours and Boucher would be the compensation we'd be interested in taking back? For example, Sochan for Boucher works in the trade machine. Maybe TOR is interested in Sochan and the Spurs have said we'll take Boucher and draft compensation? I'm not advocating for this, I'm just trying to think of an explanation.

I do find it fascinating that the Spurs and Raptors keep exchanging parts back and forth between each other.

[RC_Drunkford]

Boucher can play PF and smallball C. He shoots 36% from 3 and dropped 23 with 12 boards on the Cavs. We only have like 2 players on our whole roster who can do that. He's a net positive and the Raptors best bench player. Would definitely be an upgrade.

If you want to free up some cap space for the offseason get Bruce Brown and include Zach Collins in the deal.

[KingKev]

Boucher can play PF and smallball C. He shoots 36% from 3 and dropped 23 with 12 boards on the Cavs. We only have like 2 players on our whole roster who can do that. He's a net positive and the Raptors best bench player. Would definitely be an upgrade.

If you want to free up some cap space for the offseason get Bruce Brown and include Zach Collins in the deal.

I’ll also add that the Toronto Raptors (aka the Craptors) and us are besties. Get it done PATFO.

RIP TD 21

[BatManu20]

Zollins for Coby straight up. Who says no.

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[Duncan2177]

Zollins for Coby straight up. Who says no.

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if Brian Wright is smart he will jump on that.

[SpursBills]

Zollins for Coby straight up. Who says no.

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If the spurs don't want to make a big splash, this is the kind of smaller move that makes a ton of sense - White works as a combo guard and high volume 3 point shooter who can actually run a bench unit and also play next to either Vassell or Castle. His contract is a bargain too. If all it costs is Chicago's draft pick +/- a couple seconds and Collins or something that's a no brainer - cheaper than Collin Sexton and does similar things.

[scott]

Things I posted in 2023:


I'm honestly slightly concerned that the Bulls pick enters into the risky territory of never conveying. We may be standing on the precipice of a complete multi-year rebuild in Chicago.

[Dejounte]

How good is his defense

[SpursBills]

How good is his defense

I think league average to slightly below last year, and then pretty bad this year. About what you'd expect for a sixth man type guy getting paid 12 million a year.

[scott]

How good is his defense

He ranks 4th percentile in Crafted DPM. Branham/Keldon level bad, but that's just one metric. Could dive in and see if other metrics paint a different picture.

Coby White aside, my biggest concern is that we have an asset at risk because Brian Wright waited too long. The CHA pick once had value as a trade asset (not huge value, but more than it does now). Now the CHI pick is losing value as a trade asset. Once CHI starts shipping off guys like Lavine, Vooch and Coby - it will be obvious that they are entering into a prolonged tank and that CHI pick is likely to not convey and thus won't be nearly as valuable.

Our "war chest" is diminishing in value by the day.

[scott]

https://i.postimg.cc/W1K6LKZx/LEBRONComparison-Screenshot-8.png

Looks like he's pretty consistently a shit defender, at least if you go by D-LEBRON.

Consistent high performing offensive player though. Would be that bench scorer archetype I've been pining for. I can live with subpar defense if he delivers the goods on offense as a 6th man.

[scott]

Here is his Darko D-DPM Career Progression. I put Devin up there as a comparison not to pick on Devin, but just as a frame of reference. White is owed $12.9MM next year, the last year of his deal. If he's successful in his role here, he'll be due for a significant raise pretty quickly. He'd be a good pick up if we were looking to make the Play-in this year and Play-offs next, but I'm not sure he fits the slow build approach the Spurs seem to be taking.

https://i.postimg.cc/DZQqGwNK/coby-ddarko.png

[ace3g]

I'm still hoping Spurs call about Yabusele.

[Robz4000]

Here is his Darko D-DPM Career Progression. I put Devin up there as a comparison not to pick on Devin, but just as a frame of reference. White is owed $12.9MM next year, the last year of his deal. If he's successful in his role here, he'll be due for a significant raise pretty quickly. He'd be a good pick up if we were looking to make the Play-in this year and Play-offs next, but I'm not sure he fits the slow build approach the Spurs seem to be taking.

https://i.postimg.cc/DZQqGwNK/coby-ddarko.png

Gross

[baseline bum]

Here is his Darko D-DPM Career Progression. I put Devin up there as a comparison not to pick on Devin, but just as a frame of reference. White is owed $12.9MM next year, the last year of his deal. If he's successful in his role here, he'll be due for a significant raise pretty quickly. He'd be a good pick up if we were looking to make the Play-in this year and Play-offs next, but I'm not sure he fits the slow build approach the Spurs seem to be taking.

https://i.postimg.cc/DZQqGwNK/coby-ddarko.png

Ouch, Coby's career progression has hit the other side of the mountain.

[scott]

Ouch, Coby's career progression has hit the other side of the mountain.

To be fair to Coby, his DARKO O-DPM looks pretty nice. But... this guy doesn't look like he'll ever be anything more than a 6th man.

[ambchang]

Zollins, Malaki, Chicago pick, and however many SRP for Coby white will be a steal. We get to rid zollins contract, rid Malaki and give him a new start, Chicago pick isn’t looking and SRP are basically cash considerations. White, Tre, keldon, sochan, Vassell would make a fun up and down second unit. Can’t d but can run.

[T Park]

I think you're right....at least I fear you are... that would be a waste of 4 years of Wembys talent and probably result in a trade request. If you're correct in how you think the FO sees it then our only hope is that Wemby pressures them this summer to give him talent now.

Hes not giving up on a max contract. Be real.

[T Park]

I read today they increased ticket prices for 25-26 season by 15% to 25% depending on the seat, corporate greed knows no limits.
Before people start talking about Wemby, don't forget that the ownership hasn't paid any luxury tax in many years and just benefitted from the solidarity fund (50% of luxury tax generated in a season is split between teams under the luxury tax line).

Selling SRPs for cash should be banned.

Ive got season tickets and thats 100% false

[CGD]

Here is his Darko D-DPM Career Progression. I put Devin up there as a comparison not to pick on Devin, but just as a frame of reference. White is owed $12.9MM next year, the last year of his deal. If he's successful in his role here, he'll be due for a significant raise pretty quickly. He'd be a good pick up if we were looking to make the Play-in this year and Play-offs next, but I'm not sure he fits the slow build approach the Spurs seem to be taking.

https://i.postimg.cc/DZQqGwNK/coby-ddarko.png

I like the idea of upgrading the CHI and CHA picks for better assets, but i've always been cool on Coby White. This helps explains why.

[The Truth #6]

Coby White somehow would be a big upgrade and a disappointment all at once. I love how he ramped up his offensive game last year, seemingly out of nowhere, or at least what I was paying attention to. I didn't realize his defense was so abysmal so that gives me some pause. But if the key part of said trade is giving Chicago their pick back, then yes, for sure. Like Sacramento, Chicago went out of its way to trade for DDR, so they might be stupid and gullible enough to fall for something. But hard to say.

Regardless, he would probably supercharge our first team on offense, possibly even giving Wemby, finally, someone with shooting and attack juice that we've desperately needed, even if he really should only be a 6th Man.

I was curious about trying to trade for him last year so still interested, but to a point.

[scott]

Lemme throw some alternative DARKO charts at you and see how you feel... if you could agree on an extension with Coby at 4/78 (Malik Monk's contract) to be the teams 6th man... how do you feel? The similarities are pretty wild, tbh. Didn't expect this when I pulled it up.

https://i.ibb.co/KwbRLFc/coby-monk-overall.png

https://i.ibb.co/jZR7zXW/coby-monk-odpm.png

https://i.ibb.co/gF6MPzF/coby-monk-ddpm.png

[ambchang]

4/$60 would be reasonable. 4/$72 is a real stretch.

[poopbox]

I'm 100% positive that if the Bulls made Colby available they could do much better than anything we put together involving Zach Collins :lol

Even that supposedly coveted 25 Hawks pick is mostly useless now :lol

[Dverde]

Definitely would be interested in Coby White. Preferred Darius Garland but he appears off the market. Only other trade target I like is Lauri in the off-season.

[SpursBills]

Speaking of the bulls, not necessarily a trade, but would anybody want to try and sign Lonzo in the offseason on a cheaper short term contract and/or trade for him to get rid of a Collins contract? He's expiring at the end of this season. Bad, bad history of knee injury, but I think more modern cartilage techniques have had some pretty good success in sports medicine albeit there's less data for elite athletes. His shooting percentages this year are deceiving because he's basically shooting all 3s, but it looks like he's having a decent defensive impact and his impact has always gone way beyond counting stats with his ability to juice an offense.

Historically I think even guys who return successfully from knee surgery don't really feel like themselves until year 2, so this year's performance may even undersell how good he can be. Even shooting 33% from 3 and 37% overall this year, he's a net positive player by pretty much every advanced metric. If Paul leaves after this season and the Spurs want to move on from Tre, Lonzo might not be a bad option on the open market.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Speaking of the bulls, not necessarily a trade, but would anybody want to try and sign Lonzo in the offseason on a cheaper short term contract and/or trade for him to get rid of a Collins contract? He's expiring at the end of this season.

I wouldn’t trust Lonzo’s health. He doesn’t have cartilage in his knee, feels like he’s patched up in order to get another contract. Some team will give him a 3-year backup PG type contract and he’ll play 20 games for them. Hope I’m wrong as he seems like a good dude but I wouldn’t risk it for the Spurs unless it’s a salary dump deal with Collins’s contract.

[scott]

I'll preface by saying I think there is a less than 1% chance CHI does this... but here is an idea to think about the Bulls in a different way.

Supposedly the Bulls want to get off of the disastrous Patrick Williams contract. He's got 4 years left of his flat 5/90 ($18MM/yr). And make no mistake, Patrick Williams has not been good at all.

Would you trade Collins (only 1 year left, so saves CHI 3 additional years) for Patrick Williams and CHI agreeing to lift protections on their pick this year? What if it was narrowing it to a Top 3 protected?

You get stuck with Williams, maybe you can rehab his value somehow, but you get a legit chance at a top pick.

[Dverde]

Vassell was teammates with Patrick Williams at FSU. He could be more of a replacement for Barnes if the plan is to trade him. At least he has proven he can shoot the 3 pointer on a consistent basis.

[ginobilized]

I'll preface by saying I think there is a less than 1% chance CHI does this... but here is an idea to think about the Bulls in a different way.

Supposedly the Bulls want to get off of the disastrous Patrick Williams contract. He's got 4 years left of his flat 5/90 ($18MM/yr). And make no mistake, Patrick Williams has not been good at all.

Would you trade Collins (only 1 year left, so saves CHI 3 additional years) for Patrick Williams and CHI agreeing to lift protections on their pick this year? What if it was narrowing it to a Top 3 protected?

You get stuck with Williams, maybe you can rehab his value somehow, but you get a legit chance at a top pick.

Cool idea! I say all day, every day you make that deal happen. If the pick conveys to next year unprotected if they get lucky this season, then even more of a Hell Yeah!

[montgod]

I'll preface by saying I think there is a less than 1% chance CHI does this... but here is an idea to think about the Bulls in a different way.

Supposedly the Bulls want to get off of the disastrous Patrick Williams contract. He's got 4 years left of his flat 5/90 ($18MM/yr). And make no mistake, Patrick Williams has not been good at all.

Would you trade Collins (only 1 year left, so saves CHI 3 additional years) for Patrick Williams and CHI agreeing to lift protections on their pick this year? What if it was narrowing it to a Top 3 protected?

You get stuck with Williams, maybe you can rehab his value somehow, but you get a legit chance at a top pick.

For only one yr left on Collins' deal, I personally don't feel Williams is worth it and would just clog up the rotation and limit growth in the future regarding cap space. Let him stay someone else's problem who feel his potential will be reached someday.

Correction: After rereading with the draft protections lifted, it's definitely something to consider. Definitely would be worth it if they were to clean house. Also less likely they'd even consider the trade since main reason to do so would be to keep their pick. Good idea though.

[ginobilized]

Vassell was teammates with Patrick Williams at FSU. He could be more of a replacement for Barnes if the plan is to trade him. At least he has proven he can shoot the 3 pointer on a consistent basis.

Barnes could probably rehab PW's game by himself in one season together. I could live with this, especially if PW has the potential to become even a medium IQ player.

[LeBowen]

I'll preface by saying I think there is a less than 1% chance CHI does this... but here is an idea to think about the Bulls in a different way.

Supposedly the Bulls want to get off of the disastrous Patrick Williams contract. He's got 4 years left of his flat 5/90 ($18MM/yr). And make no mistake, Patrick Williams has not been good at all.

Would you trade Collins (only 1 year left, so saves CHI 3 additional years) for Patrick Williams and CHI agreeing to lift protections on their pick this year? What if it was narrowing it to a Top 3 protected?

You get stuck with Williams, maybe you can rehab his value somehow, but you get a legit chance at a top pick.

I'd consider it if they lower the protections to top3 over next 3 years.
Some teams ruin players, just think of Lauri's tenure there.
I'm not saying Williams can become an all-star, but he can certainly do way better than what we're seeing now.

Career 40% 3pt shooter on 3 attempts.
If he can be at 36-38% on 4 to 5 attempts while being a solid defender, that wouldn't be too bad of a deal for us.

I think we could certainly trade up to #5-7 range with 3 FRPs available.
(I know noone would take three '25 FRPs, but we could push some back and then trade.)

I guess it all depends on '25 draft and if there's a wing PATFO wants to get.
As of right now our future wing rotation has just Jeremy with Barnes being a veteran. Others are non-factors.
We need to get rid of Keldon and get two wings this summer.


Bucks made Middleton and Portis available.
Middleton has one more year left after this one, $34M.
Portis also has one more year, $13M.
I wonder if PATFO has any interest in those two.
Bucks might just be dumb enough to take Keldon.

[Kevin]

Still pining for the KJ/Zollins for Lavine swap with the Bulls getting their own pick back. I would love to add Vuch to this deal with the Spurs adding Barnes and the 25ATL pick top four protected. If the ATL pick doesn't convey the Bulls get two or three second rounders and the deal is closed.

No Patrick Williams swap. Too many years. Bulls will ride that one out like the Nets and Ben Simmons.

No Lonzo Ball either. Cant shoot and would be unplayable with Castle or Sochan.

[scott]

I don't know much about Patrick Williams' shot diet, but it's wild that he shoots .366 from 3 this season but only .377 overall. His 3PAr is only 54.3% - so it's not like he ONLY takes 3s (by comparison, Champ's 3PAR is 73.5%, so it's not like Williams is strictly a 3P shooter). He's 37th percentile in Crafted DPM, so not a horrible defender.

I'm curious in this Patrick Williams situation, I'm kind of intrigued if he could come attached with some real juice in terms of compensation.

[scott]

As of right now our future wing rotation has just Jeremy with Barnes being a veteran. Others are non-factors.


Giving up on Champ as a bench wing already?

[LeBowen]

Giving up on Champ as a bench wing already?

Of course not, I just subconsciously think of him as a guard because of those Devin/Champ debates.

Castle/?
Devin/Champ
?/?
Barnes/Jeremy
Wemby/?

That would be my roster for the next season before any moves.
Champ can slide down to SF if needed.
Ideally we draft a wing and get a legit wing starter in FA or via trade, we went over the potential targets many times.
If CP3 wants to play another year with the Spurs it would be nice. If not, we need a point guard.
And obviously a servicable Wemby backup.

[scott]

Gotcha. I definitely don't see Champ as a guard at all. He's wholly incapable of any kind of ball handling duties. He's pretty textbook 3&D wing, IMO.

Also don't think Castle is a PG unless paired with another combo guard, but that's a discussion for another day.

[montgod]

Gotcha. I definitely don't see Champ as a guard at all. He's wholly incapable of any kind of ball handling duties. He's pretty textbook 3&D wing, IMO.

Also don't think Castle is a PG unless paired with another combo guard, but that's a discussion for another day.

I agree w/both of these takes. Overall, I see Spurs going into the offseason looking for a PG whether that's in the draft or if they somehow trade for young one before trade deadline. It's hard to forecast w/the current team structure and not knowing what CP wants to do ultimately. We all know Spurs love the old PGs so it's not a crazy thought to see CP returning next year as well.

[LeBowen]

Gotcha. I definitely don't see Champ as a guard at all. He's wholly incapable of any kind of ball handling duties. He's pretty textbook 3&D wing, IMO.

I see him as a budget Danny.
He doesn't have any handles, but he's got textbook shooter's movement, more of a role thing.


Also don't think Castle is a PG unless paired with another combo guard, but that's a discussion for another day.

Can be included in trade discussions, tbh.
It's relevant because certain types would fit better with Castle.

Castle won't be a traditional point guard, but I think he'd be passable with another creator that's also not a floor general.
Ideally we get a point forward, but those are very rare.
And if we can't get one, Castle and Devin can't start together.

This Jakucionis kid seems like a perfect fit for Castle, but no chance we get him.

[spurraider21]

a) i dont believe the bulls would trade white

b) if they do, theyre going to want multiple first rounders. getting him for salary + 1 first round pick + seconds is not going to work

c) if they do, theyre not going to give a shit about their protected FRP. the whole point of blowing it up including trading your best young player is to bottom out. if they are picking outside the top 10 (or 8 in future years), then blowing it up doesnt make sense

d) i like the malik monk comparison quite a bit. i think monk is more dynamic/shifty an athlete which makes him a more dynamic pick and roll threat, but they are both really good scoring/passing combo guards with subpar defense. at least they are both consistently good and productive on offense, enough to offset their defense. i was emphatically in favor of going after monk in free agency. white would be a strong fit as well, as i think castle stands to benefit playing alongside a combo guard who is a major shooting threat

e) malik monk's 4/78 contract is an absolute steal. he signed for well below what his market value should have been and didnt even test free agency. i wouldnt assume you could extend white on a comparable deal

[scott]

I see him as a budget Danny.
He doesn't have any handles, but he's got textbook shooter's movement, more of a role thing.



Can be included in trade discussions, tbh.
It's relevant because certain types would fit better with Castle.

Castle won't be a traditional point guard, but I think he'd be passable with another creator that's also not a floor general.
Ideally we get a point forward, but those are very rare.
And if we can't get one, Castle and Devin can't start together.

This Jakucionis kid seems like a perfect fit for Castle, but no chance we get him.

Yeah, one of my favorite things about the idea of Castle as part of the core we are building around is the flexibility he gives us in building out the rest of team. It's not like we have a position "locked in" with him that forces us to miss out on good players because "we already have a PG/SG". Fox is available? Great fit with Castle. Derrick White is available? Great fit with Castle. Jakucionis is there to draft? Great pick with Castle. We lucked into the #2 pick and can take Dylan Harper? Great fit with Castle. All you can have is Coby White? Well fuck, but at least it's a good fit with Castle!

The same can be said about Sochan. He easily can slide between the 3 or the 4, so long as the other guy can shoot. The flexibility of both of these guys is really a huge asset for us as we continue to build out the roster.

[spurraider21]

Yeah, one of my favorite things about the idea of Castle as part of the core we are building around is the flexibility he gives us in building out the rest of team. It's not like we have a position "locked in" with him that forces us to miss out on good players because "we already have a PG/SG". Fox is available? Great fit with Castle. Derrick White is available? Great fit with Castle. Jakucionis is there to draft? Great pick with Castle. We lucked into the #2 pick and can take Dylan Harper? Great fit with Castle. All you can have is Coby White? Well fuck, but at least it's a good fit with Castle!

The same can be said about Sochan. He easily can slide between the 3 or the 4, so long as the other guy can shoot. The flexibility of both of these guys is really a huge asset for us as we continue to build out the roster.
your mom is a great fit with castle

[scott]

a) i dont believe the bulls would trade white

b) if they do, theyre going to want multiple first rounders. getting him for salary + 1 first round pick + seconds is not going to work

c) if they do, theyre not going to give a shit about their protected FRP. the whole point of blowing it up including trading your best young player is to bottom out. if they are picking outside the top 10 (or 8 in future years), then blowing it up doesnt make sense

d) i like the malik monk comparison quite a bit. i think monk is more dynamic/shifty an athlete which makes him a more dynamic pick and roll threat, but they are both really good scoring/passing combo guards with subpar defense. at least they are both consistently good and productive on offense, enough to offset their defense. i was emphatically in favor of going after monk in free agency. white would be a strong fit as well, as i think castle stands to benefit playing alongside a combo guard who is a major shooting threat

e) malik monk's 4/78 contract is an absolute steal. he signed for well below what his market value should have been and didnt even test free agency. i wouldnt assume you could extend white on a comparable deal

For what it's worth (which is close to nothing), my Trade Compensation Model says Coby has a Compensation Score anywhere between 23 and 28, depending on how you value his current contract. That would equate to 1 FRP + seconds + salary (for comparison, Jak's CompScore when we sent him to TOR was 28).

[scott]

your mom is a great fit with castle

My mom's defense is pretty bad these days.

RIP, Mom.

[Seventyniner]

I see him as a budget Danny.
He doesn't have any handles, but he's got textbook shooter's movement, more of a role thing.

Good comp. At least Danny could throw inbound passes though.

[spurraider21]

champ is a better ballhandler than danny was. i know thats not saying much, but ive seen champagnie use the pump to get to the rim this year more than ive ever seen Danny do

[LeBowen]

Good comp. At least Danny could throw inbound passes though.

Yeah, Champ is brainfart prone.
But he's still young and lost a couple of years in development before he found his place.
I treat his contract as a rookie deal, two more years left on it. He'll be 24 at the start of next season.
Danny became a regular rotation member at 24.

One of the issues with our roster is that most of them are somewhat undefined in their roles.
When a player doesn't have star potential, trying to develop him out of his comfort zone often results in regression.
Happened with Jeremy's point guard experiment. Also somewhat happened with trying to develop Devin into more of a creator.

Champ's role is defined and I believe he can become a long-term piece that fits any style.
Catch and shoot, cut, play solid defense, get some rebounds, don't overthink when you have the ball, perfect role player.

[DAF86]

Yeah, one of my favorite things about the idea of Castle as part of the core we are building around is the flexibility he gives us in building out the rest of team. It's not like we have a position "locked in" with him that forces us to miss out on good players because "we already have a PG/SG". Fox is available? Great fit with Castle. Derrick White is available? Great fit with Castle. Jakucionis is there to draft? Great pick with Castle. We lucked into the #2 pick and can take Dylan Harper? Great fit with Castle. All you can have is Coby White? Well fuck, but at least it's a good fit with Castle!

The same can be said about Sochan. He easily can slide between the 3 or the 4, so long as the other guy can shoot. The flexibility of both of these guys is really a huge asset for us as we continue to build out the roster.

Ironically, the problem with Castle and Sochan is that they don't fit with each other.

[scott]

Ironically, the problem with Castle and Sochan is that they don't fit with each other.

Indeed!

[mo7888]

I'll preface by saying I think there is a less than 1% chance CHI does this... but here is an idea to think about the Bulls in a different way.

Supposedly the Bulls want to get off of the disastrous Patrick Williams contract. He's got 4 years left of his flat 5/90 ($18MM/yr). And make no mistake, Patrick Williams has not been good at all.

Would you trade Collins (only 1 year left, so saves CHI 3 additional years) for Patrick Williams and CHI agreeing to lift protections on their pick this year? What if it was narrowing it to a Top 3 protected?

You get stuck with Williams, maybe you can rehab his value somehow, but you get a legit chance at a top pick.

I'd do that deal in half a heartbeat..

[spurraider21]

For what it's worth (which is close to nothing), my Trade Compensation Model says Coby has a Compensation Score anywhere between 23 and 28, depending on how you value his current contract. That would equate to 1 FRP + seconds + salary (for comparison, Jak's CompScore when we sent him to TOR was 28).
look if the price to get him is returning the bulls pick and adding some seconds, id do that yesterday

[LeBowen]

look if the price to get him is returning the bulls pick and adding some seconds, id do that yesterday

His contract is the issue. One year left, if he doesn't want to take a team-friendly extension, he's not worth it.

[spurraider21]

His contract is the issue. One year left, if he doesn't want to take a team-friendly extension, he's not worth it.
what do you think he'd be seeking? "good starter" money these days is at or around 30mil lol

[LeBowen]

what do you think he'd be seeking? "good starter" money these days is at or around 30mil lol

There are always dumb GMs around the league.
I'd say he'd be worth around ~20 per year, I don't want to pay another SG while Devin is on the roster.
Yeah, Coby is technically a PG, but a score first one.

Unless it's a legit star like Fox, I'd focus all my attention to sorting out our forward issues.

[CGD]

Vassell was teammates with Patrick Williams at FSU. He could be more of a replacement for Barnes if the plan is to trade him. At least he has proven he can shoot the 3 pointer on a consistent basis.

I think Barnes is with us for a while. If I recall correctly he’s younger than we think too (like 32 not 34).

[spurraider21]

I think Barnes is with us for a while. If I recall correctly he’s younger than we think too (like 32 not 34).
turns 33 in may, and has one year left on his contract

[CGD]

turns 33 in may, and has one year left on his contract

I’m aware. I think Pop simply loves him and what he brings to the culture. They’ll throw him a 2 year deal after this one for MLE money.

[ginobilized]

Barnes has been great and I could see him with us for at least another season.
Seems like such a class act and his efficiency is excellent for the goof balls on the team. He never gets in the way offensively and can reel off 3 straight 3s with 0 dribbles when you least expect it and most need it.

That said, he is the main player to upgrade. When we have a star level PF, we will be in the playoffs. We might have to lose him in order to make that happen.

[scott]

Vecenie had a live podcast today where they went over trade ideas and threw out this:

Spurs give up Keldon or Zollins, the worst of SA/ATL25 and a Top 4 Protected future FRP

for

Cam Johnson and the worst of MIL/NYK/HOU25

Their general consensus is that Cam isn't worth 2 FRPs outright

[Dverde]

Barnes was always a bandaid and used as a mentor, I wouldn’t expect him to spend his last productive years fighting for the play in. He has been beyond anyone’s expectations and not washed at all. He obviously read the writing on the walls at Sacramento and was ready to leave, maybe he likes the future with the Spurs and willing to take a lesser role after next year.

[Mr. Body]

Barnes was always a bandaid and used as a mentor, I wouldn’t expect him to spend his last productive years fighting for the play in. He has been beyond anyone’s expectations and not washed at all. He obviously read the writing on the walls at Sacramento and was ready to leave, maybe he likes the future with the Spurs and willing to take a lesser role after next year.

The Spurs won't be fighting for the play-in much longer. They're already neck-and-neck with Sacto, where he was, and there's going to be a lot of decay among teams above the Spurs as it is.

[CGD]

Just read on espn that the way the new tv deal plays out could mean that some players may opt to go the unrestricted free agency route in the summer 2026. That summer 2026 class has some pretty spicy names like Luka, Fox, Kristaps, KD.

If the spurs are positioning themselves for one of those guys, i doubt they make any moves now (like trade for Cam Johnson) that jeopardizes flexibility to do that.

[LeBowen]

Just read on espn

There's your issue.

[scott]

The CBA is done, so a new TV deal (which I thought was also done) isn’t going to impact how much players make if they wait until until it kicks in and become unrestricted.

[ace3g]

2nd game since Sochan's return that Collins and Bassey minutes went to Mamu, does it mean anything? :stirpot:

[KingKev]

2nd game since Sochan's return that Collins and Bassey minutes went to Mamu, does it mean anything? :stirpot:

Yes, all deep bench guys fighting for their position both on this team and especially in the NBA.

[LeBowen]

Devin+Jeremy+ATL picks for Fox.
Keldon+CHI+one more swap down the line for Cam.
Tre+Collins+one FRP downgrade for John Collins.

NAW, LaRavia (optional) and one of Aldama/Naz in free agency.
Veteran backup point guard if CP3 leaves.

Fox/CP3
Castle/NAW
Cam/Champ
Barnes/Aldama
Wemby/John Collins

We'd still have all the 20131 assets and all but one of our own picks.

[scott]

Time to let go of the Fox dream, my friend. He ain't going anywhere anytime soon.

[LeBowen]

Time to let go of the Fox dream, my friend. He ain't going anywhere anytime soon.

You're probably right.
The rest still stands.

[baseline bum]

Time to let go of the Fox dream, my friend. He ain't going anywhere anytime soon.

Still think it's doable this summer if he's not supermax eligible.

[scott]

WHOA!

https://i.ibb.co/64CM306/Wojbomb.jpg

[Dverde]

I think Zollins is getting traded and they are not playing him to keep him healthy. It might be a deal to be a filler for another trade to work. I don’t think Keldon is going anywhere.

[scott]

It would be very Spursy to pay to dump Collins right before he turns into a useful expiring.

[ginobilized]

WHOA!

https://i.ibb.co/64CM306/Wojbomb.jpg

We are attaching a flurry of 2nd round picks to appease the basketball gods.

[TDMVPDPOY]

roster needs a real fkn big that will do the dirty work and score, we dont need another spreader who loves to chuck 3s...

patfo needs to make moves instead of wasting castles future at the spurs....

[Bruno]

To me, trade deadline is mostly about Chris Paul for Spurs. Will they keep him or do a trade/buyout with him?

There are 3 key points regarding tat subject:

1) What Spurs have told to Paul last summer to sign him?
Paul agreed to join Spurs on July 1st. It was very early in the free agency period. Have Spurs promised him that he could join a contender if Spurs were out of the playoff race?

2) What is Paul current state of mind?
Is Paul at peace with retiring without a title or is he still chasing for a ring? He might also want to be closer to his family in LA. He repeatedly said how hard is was for him to be far from them.

3) How Spurs view Castle?
If Spurs think Castle will be or at least could be their future Spurs starting PG, the best move long term wise might to be trade/buy out Paul at the deadline and give the starting PG to Castle.
If Spurs view Castle more as a secondary playmaker/ballhandler, there isn't a real incentive to get rid of Paul before the end of the season.

[Pauleta14]

To me, trade deadline is mostly about Chris Paul for Spurs. Will they keep him or do a trade/buyout with him?

There are 3 key points regarding tat subject:

1) What Spurs have told to Paul last summer to sign him?
Paul agreed to join Spurs on July 1st. It was very early in the free agency period. Have Spurs promised him that he could join a contender if Spurs were out of the playoff race?

2) What is Paul current state of mind?
Is Paul at peace with retiring without a title or is he still chasing for a ring? He might also want to be closer to his family in LA. He repeatedly said how hard is was for him to be far from them.

3) How Spurs view Castle?
If Spurs think Castle will be or at least could be their future Spurs starting PG, the best move long term wise might to be trade/buy out Paul at the deadline and give the starting PG to Castle.
If Spurs view Castle more as a secondary playmaker/ballhandler, there isn't a real incentive to get rid of Paul before the end of the season.

1 - I can't see which contender could have any interest in Paul... He's too slow, can't penetrate and his personality/reputation could be an issue with some locker rooms. His main use for the Spurs/Wemby is relative to the total absence of veterans the season prior and his mentoring of Wemby. As useful he has been, it's again relative to the other options, he still looks amazing compared to... Tre.

2 - Paul can't be clearer than he's always been, he "wants to hoop" = he wants playing time above all (title included imo)

3 - That's the key question. If Castle is viewed as the future PG he needs to start playing the position full-time asap and not been used all around. However, if they don't see him as the future PG, I think Paul isn't the best option and I'd like them to either trade or draft one.
I still think Castle can become the future PG tho, it's just his 1st season, let's not forget how Amen struggled last season for ex. Castle has something special in his attitude/character and has all the intangibles for a modern PG in terms of size and athleticism.

[KingKev]

I don’t think Paul is going anywhere and don’t think that was ever the plan but the likelihood they find a compromise for both sides is growing by the loss given we are likely out of the play-in with no trade activity imminent.

[mo7888]

There are rumors out there this morning that indy may be open to trading Turner because they don't want to pay him $30M this offseason and don't want to lose him for nothing. That would be an interesting fit. I have no idea what he's worth on an expiring deal and they might very well prefer trading him for players than a pick but, I'll throw this out there anyway for the sake of discussion.

Spurs- Turner + Walker
Indy- Colling + Sochan + Malaki + a 1st

[CGD]

There are rumors out there this morning that indy may be open to trading Turner because they don't want to pay him $30M this offseason and don't want to lose him for nothing. That would be an interesting fit. I have no idea what he's worth on an expiring deal and they might very well prefer trading him for players than a pick but, I'll throw this out there anyway for the sake of discussion.

Spurs- Turner + Walker
Indy- Colling + Sochan + Malaki + a 1st

I’ve always wondered why Turner never broke out, even as a defensive ace like Gobert etc. People will blame the small market, but I do worry he has limitations we’re not aware of since we don’t watch that team on the daily.

In theory though that would be a terrorizing front court.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

There are rumors out there this morning that indy may be open to trading Turner because they don't want to pay him $30M this offseason and don't want to lose him for nothing. That would be an interesting fit. I have no idea what he's worth on an expiring deal and they might very well prefer trading him for players than a pick but, I'll throw this out there anyway for the sake of discussion.

Spurs- Turner + Walker
Indy- Colling + Sochan + Malaki + a 1st

Why would you pay this much + Turner's future contract for a 10-15-min a game back up big? There's no way he plays with Wemby and guards 4s on the perimeter.

[CGD]

Why would you pay this much + Turner's future contract for a 10-15-min a game back up big? There's no way he plays with Wemby and guards 4s on the perimeter.

I do think he’s one to keep an eye on as he reaches free agency this summer for the much needed C depth (as is Brook Lopez). Apparently given his short deal length Indy can’t extend him, or else I think he’s already off the board. Wonder what he’ll command and what teams have the $$ to offer it?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I do think he’s one to keep an eye on as he reaches free agency this summer for the much needed C depth (as is Brook Lopez). Apparently given his short deal length Indy can’t extend him, or else I think he’s already off the board. Wonder what he’ll command and what teams have the $$ to offer it?

There are very few teams with significant cap space that would need him, so Pacers are probably safe waiting it out. Detroit, perhaps, the biggest threat.

As for the Spurs, I think he's a uniquely bad fit as he occupies the same space as Wemby offensively and defensively. He can't guard on the perimeter and there's no way you're pulling the best rim protector in a generation in order to fit in someone like Turner, or anyone for that matter.

[LeBowen]

Turner is a starter, he won't accept a bench role or contract.

They're not true centers, but if we're talking free agents Naz Reid and Aldama should be the primary targets.
They can play with Wemby or fill in as backup bigs, giving us more options.

If we're talking traditional bigs, there won't be many good options this summer.
Looney looks washed, maybe Capela would be decent enough.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

They're not true centers, but if we're talking free agents Naz Reid and Aldama should be the primary targets.
They can play with Wemby or fill in as backup bigs, giving us more options.


I agree. Love both. A big man rotation of Wemby, Reid and a traditional 4 would work wonderfully.

Memhis are probably not letting Aldama leave, unless they go deep in the Jimmy Butler business and offer him an extension as well, but it'd be very expensive for Minnesota to keep Naz.

[LeBowen]

I agree. Love both. A big man rotation of Wemby, Reid and a traditional 4 would work wonderfully.

Memhis are probably not letting Aldama leave, unless they go deep in the Jimmy Butler business and offer him an extension as well, but it'd be very expensive for Minnesota to keep Naz.

Jimmy said he doesn't want to go to Memphis.
They're at $162M in salaries for the next season without Aldama and Kennard, cap is projected at $155M.
They can keep both, but JJJ's extension will kick in a year later, they want to keep the flexibility. I think they'll try to move Smart, he keeps getting injured.

Minnesota's situation is more complicated. They probably thought Randle will decline his option and walk, but he's been underwhelming and I doubt anyone will offer him $30M a year with so little cap space around the league.
If he picks up his option they're at $190M without Naz and NAW.
NAW is another player I'd really like to get and they definitely can't keep him.

They'll definitely try to move Conley ($10M) and Randle ($31M), but someone else will also have to go.
A year ago I would've definitely been in on McDaniels, but his shot has regressed badly, he's got the same contract as Devin.

Naz has been loyal to Minnesota, but we'll see how things go with them obviously being on the decline.
There's also the question of his asking price.
He's putting up 13/5 in just 25 minutes, but the question is would his output go up enough if he was playing 33 minutes.
20 to 25 a year would be fair, anything more and it's a risky deal.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Memphis have a ton of flexibility so I doubt they’d let players like Aldama go unless it’s a wild overpay. They can’t extend JJJ because of his declining contract and will have to wait until he’s a FA. If they need to move players to fit his new contract they’ll do it then.

Naz’s value is difficult to predict because of the few teams with cap space and Minnnesota’s financial situation which likely excludes the possibility of a sign and trade. I’d expect it to be closer to 30 mil on average, meaning a starting number of around 26-27 mil. Spurs can totally do it. Not cheap but with the cap going up 10% every year it won’t be that bad either. Basically a 4th banana money.

[scott]

One I think I could see the Spurs doing, since they like to be nice guys around the league and help facilitate other team's desires:

Some kind of 3-team deal where MIN gets expirings that give them the flexibility to resign NAW and Naz this offseason, and the Spurs get Randle and more more draft capital.

The problem of course is that MIN is out of valuable picks to trade. They could send us a 2028 swap, and then a 1-9 protected DET27 pick (that is subject to be pushed back due to picks that DET owes NYK). They could also give us the 1-5 portion of their 29 picks that they owe Utah (not a super value pick to own if you are the Spurs, since it would just have to extinguish to seconds if it doesn't convey).

I don't think this is realistic, but I could see a scenario where we get a guy that no one really wants (like Randle) that has one more year left on his deal. This would align with the idea that the Spurs are gearing up for Summer 2026 Cap Flexibility.

Of course, if this happens it will mean that next season will be yet another one where we fail to live up to our potential due to shit roster construction.

Middleton is the other primary guy on the list of situations similar to Randle's, but again MIL really has no draft capital. Maybe MIL takes Beal and some of PHX's new shitty picks and MIL sends us Middleton and Pat Connaughton

Brian Wright to Spurs fans::nutkick:

[scott]

Memphis have a ton of flexibility so I doubt they’d let players like Aldama go unless it’s a wild overpay. They can’t extend JJJ because of his declining contract and will have to wait until he’s a FA. If they need to move players to fit his new contract they’ll do it then.

Naz’s value is difficult to predict because of the few teams with cap space and Minnnesota’s financial situation which likely excludes the possibility of a sign and trade. I’d expect it to be closer to 30 mil on average, meaning a starting number of around 26-27 mil. Spurs can totally do it. Not cheap but with the cap going up 10% every year it won’t be that bad either. Basically a 4th banana money.


4/90 to 4/100 for Santi might be a fair deal that puts MEM in a tough spot and lands us Aldama. Whether the Spurs want to play rough in RFA, however, is another story.

LaRavia is definitely gettable though. MEM can't offer him more than a $5.1MM/yr starting salary because they declined his option. He'll almost certainly be on a new team next year and I hope he's a priority target for us.

[LeBowen]

Middleton is the other primary guy on the list of situations similar to Randle's, but again MIL really has no draft capital. Maybe MIL takes Beal and some of PHX's new shitty picks and MIL sends us Middleton and Pat Connaughton

I'd do Keldon+Tre for Middleton.
Some might say that Bucks should add picks, but I'd do it because PATFO will never send Kledon to a tanking team due to their family values.

I'd rather eat those $34M Middleton has next season than have Keldon's $34M spread over two years.
And Middleton would surely still be more useful than Keldon to us considering how badly we lack spacing.

He'd also be the second best playmaker on the team after CP3.

Bucks could actually use Tre because they don't have any reliable backups for Dame and Keldon's IQ would perfectly fit Doc's gameplan.

[scott]

I'd do Keldon+Tre for Middleton.
Some might say that Bucks should add picks, but I'd do it because PATFO will never send Kledon to a tanking team due to their family values.

I'd rather eat those $34M Middleton has next season than have Keldon's $34M spread over two years.
And Middleton would surely still be more useful than Keldon to us considering how badly we lack spacing.

He'd also be the second best playmaker on the team after CP3.

Bucks could actually use Tre because they don't have any reliable backups for Dame and Keldon's IQ would perfectly fit Doc's gameplan.

I don't know who would say MIL would need to add picks... Middleton sucks this year, but he's still better than Keldon and his deal ends sooner.

This is a proposal where I think the Bucks GM kindly says "thanks but no thanks". MIL either wants to get off of Middleton's money (by trading him for deals that expire this year) or add a useful player for now (like Lavine). Adding Keldon is the worst of both worlds.

[LeBowen]

I don't know who would say MIL would need to add picks... Middleton sucks this year, but he's still better than Keldon and his deal ends sooner.

This is a proposal where I think the Bucks GM kindly says "thanks but no thanks". MIL either wants to get off of Middleton's money (by trading him for deals that expire this year) or add a useful player for now (like Lavine). Adding Keldon is the worst of both worlds.

I mean there are reports that Bucks have some interest in Beal if they also receive a pick for him, not a well ran franchise.

I just know that Keldon and Collins simply can't be on next season's roster.

[scott]

I mean there are reports that Bucks have some interest in Beal if they also receive a pick for him, not a well ran franchise.

I just know that Keldon and Collins simply can't be on next season's roster.

Yeah, MIL mistakenly feels like Beal is in the "useful player for now" category. But they also felt like hiring Doc Rivers was a good idea... so like you said, not a well run franchise.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

4/90 to 4/100 for Santi might be a fair deal that puts MEM in a tough spot and lands us Aldama. Whether the Spurs want to play rough in RFA, however, is another story.

They're $30 mil under the tax next season with 12 players under contract and a late first round pick. I doubt keeping Aldama at a reasonable deal, like the one you're proposing, would be a problem at all. They're losing LaRavia and maybe Kennard, depending on what they do with Smart's contract, but in any case they have plenty of flexibility and I doubt Aldama would be allowed to leave unless it's a wild overpay. This is where Sean Marks could pull an Otto Porter or something, but doubt the Spurs would have a chance unfortunately.

[ace3g]

We have a trade...

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1883686797949219229

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[scott]

I don't know shit about fuck when it comes to the WNBA, other than Caitlin and Sabrina are very good, and I want Becky back...

With that said, it seemed like Plum and Becky were close... I'm sure there is nothing more to read into this... but I'll go ahead and stir the pot and say this means Becky is coming home :lol

[jjspur]

Zollins & Branham and a future 2nd to our pals in Toronto for Olynick & Davion Mitchell. At first glance it looks like a wash, but both incoming players play better defense - which we desperately need and might be enough to get us into the play in. Toronto is tanking so now might be the time to take advantage of their bad situation. Actually I think Toronto would do it for just seconds, but at least this way we get rid of players that have outlived their usefulness in san antonio.

[scott]

Zollins & Branham and a future 2nd to our pals in Toronto for Olynick & Davion Mitchell. At first glance it looks like a wash, but both incoming players play better defense - which we desperately need and might be enough to get us into the play in. Toronto is tanking so now might be the time to take advantage of their bad situation. Actually I think Toronto would do it for just seconds, but at least this way we get rid of players that have outlived their usefulness in san antonio.

Just an aside you made me think of... Toronto has botched their Post-Kawhi experience even worse than we did. They gave up first round picks to acquire Jakob and Olynik+Agbaji, both moves helped them get even worse than they were previously. Ogbaji has been a decent role player for them, but not good enough (and will never be good enough) for a tanking team to give up an FRP for. And they did this AFTER trading away Siakam and OG. I will never understand what the thinking was there.

[Seventyniner]

Just an aside you made me think of... Toronto has botched their Post-Kawhi experience even worse than we did. They gave up first round picks to acquire Jakob and Olynik+Agbaji, both moves helped them get even worse than they were previously. Ogbaji has been a decent role player for them, but not good enough (and will never be good enough) for a tanking team to give up an FRP for. And they did this AFTER trading away Siakam and OG. I will never understand what the thinking was there.

Trading with inept franchises is one of the best ways to get value. It's like picking on the calling stations at a poker game.

Kind of like the saying that if you can't spot the sucker at the table in the first 30 minutes, you're the sucker.

[Strategic]

I see where Isaiah Thomas is back playing for Utah G league. The Spurs may be the only team in the league that he hasn’t suited up for. Doesn’t fit the culture?

[Dverde]

Butler got himself suspended indefinitely after being told he was coming off the bench :lol

[scott]

Haven't listened to this yet, but Tynan had Jake Fischer on to discuss the trade deadline:

https://matthewtynan.substack.com/p/san-antonio-spurs-trade-deadline-trade-news-jake-fischer

Edit: okay, I listened. Basically, we're doing nothing. Be patient. Check back in the summer. Maybe we'll do something then. Or maybe you'll just need more patience at that point as well.

[mo7888]

Haven't listened to this yet, but Tynan had Jake Fischer on to discuss the trade deadline:

https://matthewtynan.substack.com/p/san-antonio-spurs-trade-deadline-trade-news-jake-fischer

Edit: okay, I listened. Basically, we're doing nothing. Be patient. Check back in the summer. Maybe we'll do something then. Or maybe you'll just need more patience at that point as well.

I listened as well. I liked the Giannis stuff. The Ingram talk (although not a huge fan) was interesting if we're talking about a discount.

[scott]

I listened as well. I liked the Giannis stuff. The Ingram talk (although not a huge fan) was interesting if we're talking about a discount.

I'll go out on a limb and say I don't see Giannis being available this summer.

Without going into detail, I know some people who are connected to another player for MIL and apparently Giannis is an asshole who doesn't have any kind of relationship with his teammates. FWIW.

[pad300]

I am not sure if you can make the pick compensation work for all parties concerned, but financially this works:

SAS in Lavine + pick compensation (reduced protections on bulls 1st, MIA 2031 FRP)
SAS out Vassell, Branham, Sissoko

CHI out Lavine (+ maybe a change in protections on the FRP they owe us?)
CHI in Butler + Pick compensation (Miami 2029 FRP)

MIA in Vassell, Branham, Sissoko
MIA out Butler + Pick compensation (2029 and 2031 FRPs ?)

Chi gets out of Lavine's contract a minimal cost (assuming Butler holds true to wanting an extension or will walk; they will simply let Butler walk this offseason, rather than extend him.) also kicks off their tank this year
MIA gets significant value for Butler
SAS upgrades to Lavine and adds future draft compensation

[mo7888]

I am not sure if you can make the pick compensation work for all parties concerned, but financially this works:

SAS in Lavine + pick compensation (reduced protections on bulls 1st, MIA 2031 FRP)
SAS out Vassell, Branham, Sissoko

CHI out Lavine (+ maybe a change in protections on the FRP they owe us?)
CHI in Butler + Pick compensation (Miami 2029 FRP)

MIA in Vassell, Branham, Sissoko
MIA out Butler + Pick compensation (2029 and 2031 FRPs ?)

Chi gets out of Lavine's contract a minimal cost (assuming Butler holds true to wanting an extension or will walk; they will simply let Butler walk this offseason, rather than extend him.) also kicks off their tank this year
MIA gets significant value for Butler
SAS upgrades to Lavine and adds future draft compensation

I think if Chicago made a Butler acquisition that they'd want to pair him with Lavine, so they'd send out Lonzo and Williams instead.

[Leetonidas]

I think if Chicago made a Butler acquisition that they'd want to pair him with Lavine, so they'd send out Lonzo and Williams instead.

I think the idea is that Chicago can accelerate their rebuild and free up space by trading Lavines awful contract for essentially an expiring deal (assuming Butler opts out). I doubt after his first stint there they'd be serious about bringing him back

[Spurs Brazil]

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/43522050/nba-trade-deadline-tiers-deal-scenarios-outlooks-all-30-teams


San Antonio Spurs
Keep an eye on: The timeline around Wembanyama

San Antonio should be excited about its roster.

The veteran presence of Chris Paul and All-NBA play of Victor Wembanyama helped the Spurs reach .500 in mid-January, the latest into a season they've done so since April 2021. San Antonio was 31 games below .500 at the trade deadline last season.

The Spurs are competing for a play-in spot and have the resources to be aggressive at the deadline.

San Antonio has 12 first-round picks over the next seven years and the right to swap first-round picks in three different years. They also have a league-high 20 second-round picks. Besides the haul of draft picks, there is financial flexibility with the roster currently and in the future. No player on the roster earns more than $30 million this season, and San Antonio is one of the few teams to have cap space this summer.

The unlimited resources should come with tepid cautiousness at the deadline, however. The Spurs are in the early to middle stage of learning which players fit around Wembanyama and should not be eager to offer their draft assets.

The big-picture approach should call for San Antonio to use the remaining regular-season games (and perhaps the play-in) to evaluate the roster and take a more aggressive approach this summer.

One trade that works

San Antonio receives:
Brandon Ingram
Daniel Theis

New Orleans receives:
Zach Collins
Keldon Johnson
2027 second-round pick (via Charlotte)
2028 second-round pick (via Denver if 34-60)

The addition of Ingram would give San Antonio another building block to pair with Wembanyama. The Spurs have the future financial flexibility to sign Ingram to an extension after the trade or in free agency. More importantly, the trade does not cost San Antonio one of its future first-round picks.

Top draft assets to use in trades:

2025 and 2027 unprotected first-round picks from Atlanta

The right to swap first-round picks with Atlanta in 2026

Other notable draft assets:

2025 top-10 protected first from Chicago. If the pick is not conveyed, San Antonio will receive a top-8 protected first in either 2026 or 2027.

The right to swap first-round picks in 2028 (Boston if 2-30), 2030 (Dallas or Minnesota if 2-30) and 2031 (Sacramento)

2031 unprotected first from Minnesota

Other notes:

San Antonio is $21 million below the luxury tax.

The Spurs have a $3.2 million exception available to acquire a player in a trade.

[LeBowen]

That trade is wishful thinking.

Why would NOLA take two negative contracts for no FRP compensation in return?

[scott]

I like your idea in principle pad300, thanks for sharing. I do see a few problems with it though, at least in my opinion:

1. I don't think that CHI would lessen the protections on the pick in this scenario, which is to help them with their tank. If they're tanking, they're going to want to keep the protections or even get the pick back. With that said, maybe there is a scenario where instead of lessening the protections in this deal, they get that pick back and flip us one of the picks they get from MIA (which I'd assume in this scenario are unprotected?)

2. Apparently the Heat are trying keep their books clean for the Summer of 2026 (which IMO, will go down as a major letdown for a lot of teams. The good news for the Spurs is that a lot of the potential FAs in 2026 are extension eligible this summer and will get taken off the board, so we can quickly pivot away from the idea of an unlikely FA acquisition that summer). If that is true, I don't think they'd be willing to take back Vassell, though Devin's contract isn't that bad so maybe they view it as palatable.

3. I'm not sure that MIA would have to (or even would) give up two picks in this scenario. Everyone is kind of doing each other favors here. MIA gets headache Jimmy off their books, CHI gets off Lavine's money, and SA upgrades their SG position. The Heat could easily just let Jimmy rot on the suspended list and opt out this summer and be done with him - they don't need to pay to get rid of him. Worst case for MIA is that Jimmy opts in and they are in the same spot of having to find a home for him.

It's a good concept though - I love thinking through these scenarios (understanding that they are extremely unlikely. Some people on this board can't seem to grasp that some of us simply enjoy thinking through these scenarios). This one was fun to think about!

[scott]

That trade is wishful thinking.

Why would NOLA take two negative contracts for no FRP compensation in return?

For sure... a bizarre proposal to even put down on paper. But if they Spurs COULD do this, they definitely should even if they had no intentions of keeping BI. You get a look at the team with another high performer, you get two negative assets off your books (though Collins might turn into a neutral or slightly positive asset as an expiring after the season). But yeah, it makes zero sense for NOLA.

Certainly there has got to be some team out there we can con into thinking Keldon is at least neutral. If all we did this year was get rid of him at the deadline, I think it would free up our ability to really evaluate this team with proper rotations. Just get him out of the way so that Champ can play fulltime backup SF and we can see how the team flows from there. Mitching forcing Keldon minutes every game is killing us. Similar can be said of Tre though he's not as big of a negative. But those backup PG minutes should go to Blake to see if there is any future there.

[LeBowen]

Since you mentioned 2026, here's the list of notable free agents:
Lillard - will be 36 before the season starts.
Lebron - hopefully he retires, enough is enough.
Beal - do I need to say anything?
Jimmy - he'll probably get a deal this summer.
KD - I'm actually interested, he'll play until they carry him out in a body bag.
Lavine - no.
Trae - we can only hope he leaves the Hawks.
Luka - no way he doesn't sign an extension.
FVV - no.
Kyrie - too old at that point.
Harden - even older.
Ayton - China awaits.
Fox - he'll extend or get traded this summer.
CJ - no.
Middleton - already beyond washed.
Porzingis - huge injury risk.
Randle - dubious handle.
Hartenstein - no.
Wiggins - will probably pick up his option for another year.
JJJ - will extend or get traded this summer.
Tobias - no.
John Collins - interesting rotation player.
Simons - inefficent chucker.
Draymond - no.
Rozier - no.
Mikal Bridges - potentially interesting, but probably stays with the Knicks.
KCP - too old.
Gordon - no way he leaves Jokic.
Vucevic - too old.
Poeltl - maybe as a backup?
Smart - no.

Those are all the 2026 free agents making $20M or more in 25-26 season.
Very few targets for us, arguably not a single legit starter.
We're not getting a second star via free agency any time soon.

2027 also doesn't have anyone other than Mitchell and 33 year old Giannis.
Forget about free agency when it comes to big names.

Fox is the only realistic name for the Spurs on that list if we're talking all-stars.

[scott]

Yeah, I hope we see that Luka extension this summer (we should) just so I can stop hear people talking about how we can't do anything because Luka is a FA in 2026.

I lived through waiting for Jermaine O'Neal and Corey Maggette to be Free Agents :lol I know better now.

[LeBowen]

For sure... a bizarre proposal to even put down on paper. But if they Spurs COULD do this, they definitely should even if they had no intentions of keeping BI. You get a look at the team with another high performer, you get two negative assets off your books (though Collins might turn into a neutral or slightly positive asset as an expiring after the season). But yeah, it makes zero sense for NOLA.

Certainly there has got to be some team out there we can con into thinking Keldon is at least neutral. If all we did this year was get rid of him at the deadline, I think it would free up our ability to really evaluate this team with proper rotations. Just get him out of the way so that Champ can play fulltime backup SF and we can see how the team flows from there. Mitching forcing Keldon minutes every game is killing us. Similar can be said of Tre though he's not as big of a negative. But those backup PG minutes should go to Blake to see if there is any future there.

In theory, Ingram would be a great fit.
He's just too big of a risk now to give up FRPs for.

He's averaged between 4.9 and 5.8 assists over the past 5 seasons, just what we need from forward position.
Not an elite 3pt shooter, but 37% on 4 attempts is solid enough. He's a great mid-range scorer, suffers from DDR syndrome.
Healthy Ingram on Devin money would most definitely be an upgrade, but as I said I don't believe he'll ever be healthy enough.

As you said, getting rid of Keldon would be a win in itself, he serves no purpose on this roster.

[scott]

https://i.redd.it/oj4rb7xkcsfe1.jpeg

LeBowen (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=54457) let's get the Fox thread up to 100 pages

[spurraider21]

i dont like BI much. he should be a lot better than he is. plus i think he's set to get grossly overpaid given his production, but yeah dumping zollins and keldon for him without giving up a FRP seems pretty win/win. tho he probably leaves in the offseason and signs with brooklyn. but you get off those bad deals early and potentially BI ends up a S&T player if he doesnt sign somewhere outright. but you dont make this move if you are dead set on trading for a huge star and feel you need keldon/zollins for salary filler.

as for fox, he looks like a legit #2. i'd be pretty flexible to make that deal work.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

NO would be idiots to do this trade with their cap situation. They need cap relief, not long term contracts. Bobby Marks is usually good with his stuff but this proposed trade is straight out of an average reddit thread. Not much thought went into it but suppose he had to write something for the Spurs too.

[BatManu20]

That trade is a pipe dream. NOLA ain't doing that dumb shit. Spurs are more likely to play this season out, continue to evaluate the talent we have, see where our draft picks wind up, and then go from there. They've said they're going to be patient with this process and I have no reason not to believe them. If a deal is going to be made, it is much more likely to be done this Summer once the season is over, and I'm fine with that tbh.

[mo7888]

I think the idea is that Chicago can accelerate their rebuild and free up space by trading Lavines awful contract for essentially an expiring deal (assuming Butler opts out). I doubt after his first stint there they'd be serious about bringing him back

Butler isn't opting out of $50+M. He can't recoup that on the open market. Chicago won't trade for him if they want to rebuild quickly (which was the premis of his idea).

[mo7888]

That trade is wishful thinking.

Why would NOLA take two negative contracts for no FRP compensation in return?

Maybe they don't see them as negative contracts.... really, that's all I've got...

[BatManu20]

1884340205429129673

[Seventyniner]

How about 8 SRPs instead of 2?

NO still hangs up the phone.

[Seventyniner]

1884340205429129673

Now that's a Shambomb or whatever they call it. Shamgod handing down a stone tablet?

[LeBowen]

scott we back!

[Obstructed_View]

Collins for Nurkiç, whoever for Jimmy Butler.

Make it happen.

[mo7888]

1884340205429129673

Yes! Good news, finally! Even if it leads to a broken heart, at least i have hope for the time being!

[Robz4000]

In b4 his destination is the Lakers tbh.

[cd98]

I would wait for the offseason and see where those picks are before trading them unless the Spurs are all-out on the lottery and all-in on competing for a play-in spot.

[Dverde]

I’d be interested in Naz Reid if the T-Wolves put him on the market.

[Dverde]

Now that's a Shambomb or whatever they call it. Shamgod handing down a stone tablet?

League in SHAMbles

[spurraider21]

In b4 his destination is the Lakers tbh.
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[scott]

1884344762414907516

Boner alert

[Dverde]

Sochan or Vassell has to be included as the prospect. PATFO clutching their pearls. They are not trading him for picks and filler.

[spurraider21]

Boner alert
kings beat writer

1884349704089325898

[scott]

kings beat writer

1884349704089325898

Gonna have to take the rest of the day off and lock myself in the closet with some slow R&B tunes and a tub of vasoline

[Dverde]

Vassell and Zollins for Fox and Huerter works in the trade machine. Obviously picks included to sweeten it for the Kings.

[mo7888]

I would wait for the offseason and see where those picks are before trading them unless the Spurs are all-out on the lottery and all-in on competing for a play-in spot.

Really? C,MON MAN...

[mo7888]

Vassell and Zollins for Fox and Huerter works in the trade machine. Obviously picks included to sweeten it for the Kings.

Keldon + Zollins + Tre works too and saves them money next season

[LeBowen]

Keldon + Zollins + Tre works too and saves them money next season

They'll want to retool and keep competing, I don't think they'll want bad salary.
Only Devin makes sense.

Or giving them Hawks picks so they can get Hunter.

[spurraider21]

somebody fire up the trade machine and create the ridiculously convoluted multe-team deal that includes butler to phoenix, lavine to milwaukee, beal somewhere, fox to SA

[mo7888]

They'll want to retool and keep competing, I don't think they'll want bad salary.
Only Devin makes sense.

Or giving them Hawks picks so they can get Hunter.

Im fine with giving Devin instead, but if the rumors of them wanting to move Heurter as well are true I'm just pointing out that Tre added in (maybe malaki too) gets it done.

[scott]

somebody fire up the trade machine and create the ridiculously convoluted multe-team deal that includes butler to phoenix, lavine to milwaukee, beal somewhere, fox to SA

Challenge accepted please hold

[NASpurs]

Now that's a Shambomb or whatever they call it. Shamgod handing down a stone tablet?

shamROCK

[scott]

somebody fire up the trade machine and create the ridiculously convoluted multe-team deal that includes butler to phoenix, lavine to milwaukee, beal somewhere, fox to SA

I played around with this longer than I should... basically impossible because MIL can't aggregate. MIL would have to do a series of transactions that take them under the second apron after they are done, which you can't really show in the trade machine. For example, they'd have to do something like send Pat Connaughton to DET and then it's just a matter of MIDDLETON -> MIA, BUTLER -> PHX, LAVINE ->MIL, BEAL ->CHI with picks inserted as needed. SAC and SAS aren't needed for this.

[ambchang]

Is it multiple sources on spurstalk or actual legit multiple sources? This will cost the spurs some significant draft capital (near term) and at least one of Vassell, sochan or castle.

[Dverde]

Kings also have Devin Carter if Fox leaves. I think Vassell is the player that has to be involved. They don’t really need Sochan and Keldon had no positive value. It works with their salary cap and he’s locked into a new contract.

[venitian navigator]

One idea, considering the Bulls situation (they owe us a pick, they dont know when It conveys) could be explore a way tò remove the protections...so they could start their full rebuild next year having for sure their pick back. Having three picks in the lottery (Also if late ones) guarantee us more odds for a top 4 and in any case gives us a solid and potentially final selection of draft chosen players (at least the 3 first round picks) tò definitively start the next season w with a must win mentality...I wonder what the Bulls could ask...

[mo7888]

One idea, considering the Bulls situation (they owe us a pick, they dont know when It conveys) could be explore a way tò remove the protections...so they could start their full rebuild next year having for sure their pick back. Having three picks in the lottery (Also if late ones) guarantee us more odds for a top 4 and in any case gives us a solid and potentially final selection of draft chosen players (at least the 3 first round picks) tò definitively start the next season w with a must win mentality...I wonder what the Bulls could ask...

If they got to the 6th without finding any takers for LaVine or Vucevic, then they might (and probably should) consider that. I think at a minimum they'd want to get rid of Williams and probably need some lesser draft capital in return. Maybe the Charlotte pick (which is two 2nds) and their own 2nd back.

[BatManu20]

Having the worst season of his career with the emergence of Jalen Johnson and Dyson Daniels this season. Only averaging 10 PPG and 30% from on 6 attempts/per. Turns 33 this Summer.

1885018995377549728

[Pauleta14]

Whatever player they trade for, PATFO needs to put Sochan in the mix.

[scott]

Having the worst season of his career with the emergence of Jalen Johnson and Dyson Daniels this season. Only averaging 10 PPG and 30% from on 6 attempts/per. Turns 33 this Summer.

1885018995377549728

Saw a suggestion this morning that the Hawks and Suns are talking about a deal to send Bogdan to PHX in exchange for Nurk and an FRP

[spurraider21]

Saw a suggestion this morning that the Hawks and Suns are talking about a deal to send Bogdan to PHX in exchange for Nurk and an FRP
i think the suns want cap relief. they'd want an expiring back for nurkic, not bogi

[TD 21]

Here's some I had in mind that I could see interesting the Spurs pre Fox news . . .

Ingram and Theis for Johnson, Collins, Bulls and Hornets 1sts.

Ingram for Johnson, Jones (rerouted into Pistons cap space), Bulls 1st.

Jones and Mamukelashvili for Nance Jr.

Collins for Nurkic.

[CGD]

Trade with GSW that theoretically would allow spurs to send less draft capital out:

SAS: Fox
SAC: Kuminga; Wiggins
GSW: Devin

Spurs still send out some picks to SAC, but less so. Who says no?

[scott]

Trade with GSW that theoretically would allow spurs to send less draft capital out:

SAS: Fox
SAC: Kuminga; Wiggins
GSW: Devin

Spurs still send out some picks to SAC, but less so. Who says no?

Inject this shit into my veins

[baseline bum]

Trade with GSW that theoretically would allow spurs to send less draft capital out:

SAS: Fox
SAC: Kuminga; Wiggins
GSW: Devin

Spurs still send out some picks to SAC, but less so. Who says no?

Golden State says hell no. Wiggins is better than Vassell in pretty much every way.

[Spurs Brazil]

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-intel-deaaron-fox-trade-talks-spurs-rockets-heat-nets-76ers-hawks-pistons/

Spurs updates on Keldon Johnson and Brandon Ingram


San Antonio Spurs forward Keldon Johnson is a player several NBA executives are monitoring as a potential trade candidate if the team acquires De’Aaron Fox in a multi-team trade before the deadline.

Two seasons removed from averaging 22 points per game, Johnson is still only 25 years old and is also intriguing given his descending contract. Johnson, who’s owed $19 million this season, is owed $35 million over the next two seasons ($17.5 million each season).

Well before Fox became a trade candidate, the Spurs previously checked in to gauge the price tag on Pelicans forward Brandon Ingram, league sources told HoopsHype. Talks, however, were described as exploratory interest.

[scott]

Simmons Trade Value Rankings are out: https://nbarankings.theringer.com/trade-value

Sochan makes the "toughest omissions list", Vassell ranked #61, Castle Ranked #40 in the "Let me save you some time, FUCKNO" bucket (along with my guy, Trey Murphy), and of course... Victor Ranks #1 as the absolutely most untouchable player in the entire NBA.

Fox ranked #19, in the "only if you make us do it" bucket (Spoiler Alert, he's making you do it)

[mo7888]

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-intel-deaaron-fox-trade-talks-spurs-rockets-heat-nets-76ers-hawks-pistons/

Spurs updates on Keldon Johnson and Brandon Ingram


San Antonio Spurs forward Keldon Johnson is a player several NBA executives are monitoring as a potential trade candidate if the team acquires De’Aaron Fox in a multi-team trade before the deadline.

Two seasons removed from averaging 22 points per game, Johnson is still only 25 years old and is also intriguing given his descending contract. Johnson, who’s owed $19 million this season, is owed $35 million over the next two seasons ($17.5 million each season).

Well before Fox became a trade candidate, the Spurs previously checked in to gauge the price tag on Pelicans forward Brandon Ingram, league sources told HoopsHype. Talks, however, were described as exploratory interest.

So, several league execs see Keldon as an asset worth targeting.... get this done Wright... (a little pun intended)

[CGD]

Sam Vecenie had:

SAS: Fox
SAC: Levine + SAS picks
CHI: Huerter; Spurs filler + return CHI pick

[stephen jackson]

i think this is the way itll go honestly, we gotta bring in a third team

[Dejounte]

How many days until the deadline because i cant take this anymore. Im going to explode

[mo7888]

How many days until the deadline because i cant take this anymore. Im going to explode

Feb 6th.. so another week..

[CGD]

Golden State says hell no. Wiggins is better than Vassell in pretty much every way.

I thought the whole point is that Wiggins has been ass this year. Anyway, they can still get there be sending other cannon fodder like fathead and shoder instead.

[Raven]

think a coach is first on the board.

[timtonymanu]

So, several league execs see Keldon as an asset worth targeting.... get this done Wright... (a little pun intended)

Buh bye Keldon. Let’s hope so.

[CGD]

i think this is the way itll go honestly, we gotta bring in a third team

I think the Spurs will hold the line at Devin and two good picks (plus the CHA one for cosmetic reasons). And then they will tell SAC is you want other players instead from a third team we’ll happily facilitate.

[ambchang]

Simmons Trade Value Rankings are out: https://nbarankings.theringer.com/trade-value

Sochan makes the "toughest omissions list", Vassell ranked #61, Castle Ranked #40 in the "Let me save you some time, FUCKNO" bucket (along with my guy, Trey Murphy), and of course... Victor Ranks #1 as the absolutely most untouchable player in the entire NBA.

Fox ranked #19, in the "only if you make us do it" bucket (Spoiler Alert, he's making you do it)

Show this list to Houston, trade Vassell for Jabari smith. I’m not even going to ask for a protected FRP to make up the difference.

[baseline bum]

I thought the whole point is that Wiggins has been ass this year. Anyway, they can still get there be sending other cannon fodder like fathead and shoder instead.

He has been pretty solid this year. Last year Wiggins was dogshit.

[baseline bum]

How many days until the deadline because i cant take this anymore. Im going to explode

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NebOetHhffU&t=39s

[scott]

Was bored so thought I'd put together my complete 1-year Spurs overhaul. I understand this is not all that likely, but I tried to keep it realistic.

Rules:

1. for trades I tried to stick true to my Trade Value Prediction model. There are only slight deviations
2. for draft picks, I took one and only one spin of the Tankathon simulator and picked from players available at that pick
3. for free agents, I tried my best to use what I think are reasonable contracts

Step 1. The Spurs get Fox.

Spurs send: Devin Vassell + Keldon Johnson + Worst of ATL/SA25, CHI25, SA27, return the SAC31 swap
Spurs get: Fox + Huerter

Keldon sneaks his way into this trade. I was originally hoping to keep him separate, but I got to thinking of what teams would be dumb enough to value Keldon, and the Kings were top of that list. This saves an extra year of Keldon salary, and gives us a needed shooting boost.

Step 2. Spurs get Big Daddy.

Spurs send: Tre Jones + 2 SRPs
Spurs get: Jonas Valanciunas

WAS gets an expiring, and they had Tyus before so maybe they like these boys.

Step 3. The NBA Draft.

The two previous moves were in this season moves, now we move to the offseason, Tankathon don't let me down. Recall, we now only have the best of SA/ATL

Tankathon spin gives us... CHI ends up 9 (does not convey), Spurs get #10, ATL is #11, so we are picking 10th. Best available are Fears, Newell, Queen, Saraf, Traore, Essengue, McNeeey, CMB, Hugo, Philon, Ian Jackson, de Larrea, Fleming.

I'm not super in love with any of these guys, tbh. I'm gonna go ahead and do something crazy and reach for Rasheer Fleming based on the love affair a lot of sharp folks on this board have with him. Most of these other guys can't shoot, and disqualified themselves with that alone. I don't really love McNeeley based on the game I watched him play in Maui. I really considered Ian Jackson and Sergio de Larrea, but Ian Jackson gives me Lonnie vibes in all the best and worst ways, and de Larrea takes a little bit of a hit since we just acquired Fox.

In round 2, I'm taking who Tankathon has for us at #39 in Dink Pate. Tankathon has us taking Michael Ruzic with pick #40 so we'll either stash him in Europe or trade the pick. My guy Drake Powell unfortunately went #36 to Detroit.

Step 4. Free Agency.

Since we drafted Fleming I suddenly find myself out of the Naz Reid/Santi Aldama business. However, I am signing Jake Laravia to a 3-year/$36MM flat deal. I am extending Jeremy Sochan at 5/$90MM. I am resigning CP3 to a 1/$20MM deal. It's an overpay for CP3 but it's a reward for being a good soldier with his contract this year and it doesn't hurt us on the cap (we'll be over the cap but well below the taxline and the first apron). I'm not able to move Collins, Branham or Wesley quite yet... but I'm bringing in some vets on min deals and I'll waive Blake and Bran and eat the dead money if I have to. I'm holding Collins for use as an expiring if something good comes along

5. The 2025-26 Spurs

Fox/CP3/Wesley
Castle/Champ/Wesley/Bran (but it's primarily a 3-man guard rotation with Blake getting extraneous minutes)
Barnes/Laravia/Champ/Pate/Sidy (I eventually expect Laravia to take the starting job)
Fleming/Sochan/Laravia (Sochan becomes our energy bench guy)
Wemby/Jonas/Collins

6. The 2026 Offseason.

Despite extensions for Fox and Sochan, we enter the summer of 2026 with $41MM of cap space with 9 guys under contract (Wemby, Castle, Sochan, Champ, Fox, Fleming, Laravia, Jonas, Pate).

[tbdog]

Sam Vecenie had:

SAS: Fox
SAC: Levine + SAS picks
CHI: Huerter; Spurs filler + return CHI pick

Can that happen with Johnson and Collins. Collins contract is so fucked. Give bulls their second and a few more?

[Em-City]

Was bored so thought I'd put together my complete 1-year Spurs overhaul. I understand this is not all that likely, but I tried to keep it realistic.

Rules:

1. for trades I tried to stick true to my Trade Value Prediction model. There are only slight deviations
2. for draft picks, I took one and only one spin of the Tankathon simulator and picked from players available at that pick
3. for free agents, I tried my best to use what I think are reasonable contracts

Step 1. The Spurs get Fox.

Spurs send: Devin Vassell + Keldon Johnson + Worst of ATL/SA25, CHI25, SA27, return the SAC31 swap
Spurs get: Fox + Huerter

Keldon sneaks his way into this trade. I was originally hoping to keep him separate, but I got to thinking of what teams would be dumb enough to value Keldon, and the Kings were top of that list. This saves an extra year of Keldon salary, and gives us a needed shooting boost.

Step 2. Spurs get Big Daddy.

Spurs send: Tre Jones + 2 SRPs
Spurs get: Jonas Valanciunas

WAS gets an expiring, and they had Tyus before so maybe they like these boys.

Step 3. The NBA Draft.

The two previous moves were in this season moves, now we move to the offseason, Tankathon don't let me down. Recall, we now only have the best of SA/ATL

Tankathon spin gives us... CHI ends up 9 (does not convey), Spurs get #10, ATL is #11, so we are picking 10th. Best available are Fears, Newell, Queen, Saraf, Traore, Essengue, McNeeey, CMB, Hugo, Philon, Ian Jackson, de Larrea, Fleming.

I'm not super in love with any of these guys, tbh. I'm gonna go ahead and do something crazy and reach for Rasheer Fleming based on the love affair a lot of sharp folks on this board have with him. Most of these other guys can't shoot, and disqualified themselves with that alone. I don't really love McNeeley based on the game I watched him play in Maui. I really considered Ian Jackson and Sergio de Larrea, but Ian Jackson gives me Lonnie vibes in all the best and worst ways, and de Larrea takes a little bit of a hit since we just acquired Fox.

In round 2, I'm taking who Tankathon has for us at #39 in Dink Pate. Tankathon has us taking Michael Ruzic with pick #40 so we'll either stash him in Europe or trade the pick. My guy Drake Powell unfortunately went #36 to Detroit.

Step 4. Free Agency.

Since we drafted Fleming I suddenly find myself out of the Naz Reid/Santi Aldama business. However, I am signing Jake Laravia to a 3-year/$36MM flat deal. I am extending Jeremy Sochan at 5/$90MM. I am resigning CP3 to a 1/$20MM deal. It's an overpay for CP3 but it's a reward for being a good soldier with his contract this year and it doesn't hurt us on the cap (we'll be over the cap but well below the taxline and the first apron). I'm not able to move Collins, Branham or Wesley quite yet... but I'm bringing in some vets on min deals and I'll waive Blake and Bran and eat the dead money if I have to. I'm holding Collins for use as an expiring if something good comes along

5. The 2025-26 Spurs

Fox/CP3/Wesley
Castle/Champ/Wesley/Bran (but it's primarily a 3-man guard rotation with Blake getting extraneous minutes)
Barnes/Laravia/Champ/Pate/Sidy (I eventually expect Laravia to take the starting job)
Fleming/Sochan/Laravia (Sochan becomes our energy bench guy)
Wemby/Jonas/Collins

6. The 2026 Offseason.

Despite extensions for Fox and Sochan, we enter the summer of 2026 with $41MM of cap space with 9 guys under contract (Wemby, Castle, Sochan, Champ, Fox, Fleming, Laravia, Jonas, Pate).
scott what are the min deal vets you're targeting?

[CGD]

Can that happen with Johnson and Collins. Collins contract is so fucked. Give bulls their second and a few more?

Collins, Malaki, Tre does it, or Collins + Johnson too. And probably no need to send picks to SAC, actually, since they get their win now player (who apparently they’ve targeted before).

But, the Bulls will need to be compensated. That said are competing narratives about Levine: “his deal is so bad” (meaning bulls are getting off said bad deal and that value in itself) but also that he is having an amazing year (meaning bulls will still need some value back).

Bottom line: I like this deal because it’s the one that might cost us the least quality player AND draft capital.

[spurraider21]

Step 4. Free Agency.

Since we drafted Fleming I suddenly find myself out of the Naz Reid/Santi Aldama business. However, I am signing Jake Laravia to a 3-year/$36MM flat deal. I am extending Jeremy Sochan at 5/$90MM. I am resigning CP3 to a 1/$20MM deal. It's an overpay for CP3 but it's a reward for being a good soldier with his contract this year and it doesn't hurt us on the cap (we'll be over the cap but well below the taxline and the first apron). I'm not able to move Collins, Branham or Wesley quite yet... but I'm bringing in some vets on min deals and I'll waive Blake and Bran and eat the dead money if I have to. I'm holding Collins for use as an expiring if something good comes along
it may end up just being a sequence thing, like when we had to make our moves in a very particular ordre to land aldridge (renounce manu, re-sign duncan, then sign LMA, and only then sign re-sign kawhi)... but what kind of bird rights do we have on CP3 to be able to sign him to that type of deal above the cap?

[spurraider21]

:lol fuck thats good

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[Strategic]

Josh Giddey doesn’t understand the age requirements for dating young tacos.

[RC_Drunkford]

Pop's wet dream is a Tre Jones, Castle, Giddey, Sochan, Wemby line up

:pop: "a whole lot of playmaking to get Wemby easy buckets"

"But what about shooting?"

:pop: "who cares, maybe they should invent a 4-point shot"

[Leetonidas]

:lol fuck thats good

1885358688770416916

:lmao :lmao

Jesus fuck I hope this is BS. Because if there's even a modicum of truth then it further confirms how inept our FO is

[montgod]

Since we're talking about possible pgs available for trade, Andrew Nembhard rumors are gaining steam on teams inquiring for him. Definitely not a bad option and Spurs were interested in him last year.

[scott]

scott (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=150) what are the min deal vets you're targeting?

I honestly didn't put that much thought into it, as I'd see these as guys competing for final roster spots with Blake, Bran and Sidy. Mamu I think could and should be one of those brought in. Maybe there are some other crafty vets that would want to come, but not anyone of consequence in my build.


it may end up just being a sequence thing, like when we had to make our moves in a very particular ordre to land aldridge (renounce manu, re-sign duncan, then sign LMA, and only then sign re-sign kawhi)... but what kind of bird rights do we have on CP3 to be able to sign him to that type of deal above the cap?

Yeah, I think the order definitely matters and I admit I might actually be wrong about our ability to do this.

[mo7888]

On the Giddey rumor- I do see the appeal of adding guy with his handle and court vision. That being said, he's unplayable with Castle or Sochan. You'd need Wemby + Giddey + 3 guys shooting a high percentage from 3, playing good/great D and 1 of those guys needs to be able to finish at the rim. That's a pretty tall order. Therefore, I call Bull on this Bulls acquisition..

[spurraider21]

so you're saying it puts the bulls in bullshit

[jjspur]

Every year there's a lot of noise that the spurs will make a move at the trade deadline, and most years we are disappointed. I would love to see Fox in a spurs uniform, but I can't help thinking that someone in the spurs front office is a big fan of the pieces we would be sending out to Sacramento. Just not sure that it will happen with other teams also vying for his services. So I propose the following small trade.

Jake LaRavia to the spurs for a second round pick. Memphis has already denied his 4th year so he'll be a free agent at the end of the year. He can hit the three and is a somewhat decent bench player (better than some of ours). We can waive our worst or cheapest player and then bring him in.

At worst, he doesn't fit in and his contract ends at the end of the year, all it costs us is a second round pick of which we have probably more than we can use. At best, he comes off the bench and provides 3 point shooting which we really need. We maybe even resign him for the next year.

For the spurs its a small move that can help us now just in case we don't make the big move which history says we probably won't. Again, I'd love to see Fox in a spurs uniform , but I know the spurs front office is ultra conservative and doesn't like to make major moves, so we'll see in a week.

Go make some phone calls Brian Wright. Surprise us.

[scott]

Every year there's a lot of noise that the spurs will make a move at the trade deadline, and most years we are disappointed. I would love to see Fox in a spurs uniform, but I can't help thinking that someone in the spurs front office is a big fan of the pieces we would be sending out to Sacramento. Just not sure that it will happen with other teams also vying for his services. So I propose the following small trade.

Jake LaRavia to the spurs for a second round pick. Memphis has already denied his 4th year so he'll be a free agent at the end of the year. He can hit the three and is a somewhat decent bench player (better than some of ours). We can waive our worst or cheapest player and then bring him in.

At worst, he doesn't fit in and his contract ends at the end of the year, all it costs us is a second round pick of which we have probably more than we can use. At best, he comes off the bench and provides 3 point shooting which we really need. We maybe even resign him for the next year.

For the spurs its a small move that can help us now just in case we don't make the big move which history says we probably won't. Again, I'd love to see Fox in a spurs uniform , but I know the spurs front office is ultra conservative and doesn't like to make major moves, so we'll see in a week.

Go make some phone calls Brian Wright. Surprise us.

Why do all of your posts read like some Sports Radio monologue you ran through ChatGPT? Are you someone who's opinion we're supposed to GAF about? Try reading the rest of the forum and engaging, mijo.

Anyway, Laravia is not worth acquiring via trade, because then you effectively can't resign him due to his option being declined.

[jjspur]

Look dude, its just an opinion. Some people here come with stats, great. Some people know the NBA rules back and forth, also great, but most people here just have opinions and that's also fine, its an open site. Your opinion is no better than anyone else's and I typically skip your posts rather than endlessly complaining about them. You whine like a wounded mule with a large carrot stuck up its ass. So in the future, post all you want but leave the negative shit at home, it gets old real quick and the site would be better for it. If you don't like my posts skip them, there a plenty of others to read and gripe about. Maybe join another site since it looks like you have anger management issues.

Brian Wright didn't die so you're not the GM, Poppovitch also isn't your daddy, so in other words quit your bitching and get a life.

[scott]

Look dude, its just an opinion. Some people here come with stats, great. Some people know the NBA rules back and forth, also great, but most people here just have opinions and that's also fine, its an open site. Your opinion is no better than anyone else's and I typically skip your posts rather than endlessly complaining about them. You whine like a wounded mule with a large carrot stuck up its ass. So in the future, post all you want but leave the negative shit at home, it gets old real quick and the site would be better for it. If you don't like my posts skip them, there a plenty of others to read and gripe about. Maybe join another site since it looks like you have anger management issues.

Brian Wright didn't die so you're not the GM, Poppovitch also isn't your daddy, so in other words quit your bitching and get a life.

I'm just glad to see you engaging with some other posters, rather than just regurgitating the same basic shit.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1885741177154027909

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Great trade for the Clippers. Going under the tax for a single second. Drew is also better than Bamba and might get actual minutes for them.

[scott]

Hate seeing Patty tossed around like a used up whore

[LeBowen]

Hate seeing Patty tossed around like a used up whore

Then he shouldn't be whoring around, it's not like he's on a meaningful contract, it's just a vet minimum.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't have any sympathy for athletes who can't accept it's over and go on way past their expiry date.

[RC_Drunkford]

Then he shouldn't be whoring around, it's not like he's on a meaningful contract, it's just a vet minimum.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't have any sympathy for athletes who can't accept it's over and go on way past their expiry date.

can't blame people for trying to get money as long as they can. He won't ever earn that type of money again for the rest of his life. I'm just glad the Spurs set him up financially for life, since nobody ever paid him that much again after the 50 Mills contract :lol

[baseline bum]

Then he shouldn't be whoring around, it's not like he's on a meaningful contract, it's just a vet minimum.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't have any sympathy for athletes who can't accept it's over and go on way past their expiry date.

Vet minimum is $3.3 million, no way in hell he should stop playing the game he loves while making that kind of bank.

[BatManu20]

can't blame people for trying to get money as long as they can. He won't ever earn that type of money again for the rest of his life. I'm just glad the Spurs set him up financially for life, since nobody ever paid him that much again after the 50 Mills contract :lol

Facts. Guy is making millions of dollars to ride the pine and travel the US on his employer's dollar + all the perks that come with it. He should do that until the wheels fall off if they allow him to.

[KingKev]

Honestly at this point I’d love to give Patty the vet min just to be a locker room guy and maybe teach somebody how to shoot a 3 ball

[dbestpro]

Honestly at this point I’d love to give Patty the vet min just to be a locker room guy and maybe teach somebody how to shoot a 3 ball

Maybe he can become a shooting coach.

[tbdog]

The thing about losing Sochan, because of the offensive fit with Fox and Sochan. Like I understand the fit aspect. But Sochan is one of our better rebounders and the Spurs are not a good rebounding team. Trying to find a good rebounder that is also a better fit isn't an easy task. I rather keep Sochan and work out the rotation and give up another piece and a 1st round pick.

[mo7888]

The thing about losing Sochan, because of the offensive fit with Fox and Sochan. Like I understand the fit aspect. But Sochan is one of our better rebounders and the Spurs are not a good rebounding team. Trying to find a good rebounder that is also a better fit isn't an easy task. I rather keep Sochan and work out the rotation and give up another piece and a 1st round pick.

I'd much rather keep the pick and find a replacement elsewhere.

[tbdog]

I'd much rather keep the pick and find a replacement elsewhere.

Depends on the pick. Unprotected, sure. Playoff protected then I am keeping Sochan every day.

[Trueblood]

Haven’t been on here much recently, and certainly not enough to go through 100+ pages of trade conversations, but I’m curious to know what the general thoughts are on making a run for Cam Johnson? If we were to land Fox, would Cam be a good addition? Hypothetically we could be giving up Keldon, Sochan, Barnes, or maybe even all three depending on how many teams were involved. It would take some extra draft capital, but I think making a run at him would be a good move. His shooting would really help balance out the starting lineup. Especially with Fox running the offense.

[Pauleta14]

Almost more interested by who we can get rid of in a trade than who we can get tbh...

Sochan Tre Vassell cannot be part of the future

[tbdog]

Haven’t been on here much recently, and certainly not enough to go through 100+ pages of trade conversations, but I’m curious to know what the general thoughts are on making a run for Cam Johnson? If we were to land Fox, would Cam be a good addition? Hypothetically we could be giving up Keldon, Sochan, Barnes, or maybe even all three depending on how many teams were involved. It would take some extra draft capital, but I think making a run at him would be a good move. His shooting would really help balance out the starting lineup. Especially with Fox running the offense.

If the spurs were 6th in the west, it would make sense to give future draft capital for Cam to win a playoff series.

[CGD]

Now that LAL need a center send Zach Collins over there

[CGD]

Reeves doesn’t fit with LAL anymore. If the Fox stuff doesn’t pan what about a pivot there?

Zollins + CHI/CHA picks for Reeves?

(LAL needs size so Zollins isn’t a complete throw in)

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Reeves doesn’t fit with LAL anymore. If the Fox stuff doesn’t pan what about a pivot there?

Zollins + CHI/CHA picks for Reeves?

(LAL needs size so Zollins isn’t a complete throw in)

Only if Pelinka is the Spurs GM and Nico Harrison is at Lakers. Buttbuddies.

[mo7888]

Reeves doesn’t fit with LAL anymore. If the Fox stuff doesn’t pan what about a pivot there?

Zollins + CHI/CHA picks for Reeves?

(LAL needs size so Zollins isn’t a complete throw in)

I might do that, but I'd try and do Collins + Malaki + chi/cha for Reeves + Knecht. Both of those guys fit better here now.

[DPG21920]

Thats the part that sucks the most too about what Nico did. He let Lakers keep all the assets he should have gotten and now they can be used to make more moves for Lakers. Lakers should have no picks, no Reeves etc…

[LeBowen]

They're not letting Reaves go for just 1 FRP, no way.

I'd be more interested in PJ Washington if AD is going to be a full-time PF.
Klay is too slow to play SG these days, idk how would PJ even fit at SF.
He'd be a great fit next to Wemby.

[TD 21]

Thats the part that sucks the most too about what Nico did. He let Lakers keep all the assets he should have gotten and now they can be used to make more moves for Lakers. Lakers should have no picks, no Reeves etc…

Unconscionable. I don't care how toxic Doncic is, to trade the 2nd-4th best asset (Jokic, Gilgeous-Alexander) in the league and pair a creaky, late prime borderline superstar with another creaky, late prime star (poor spacing + limited play making = no more puncher's chance at a championship) and not get virtually every asset makes this both the most surprising and dumbest trade of all time.

[The Truth #6]

Maybe there's something behind the scenes. Luka fucked somebody's wife or health issues. Probably not. But just wondering.

[mo7888]

I could see LA concluding that Devin might be a better fit there than Reaves playing between lebron and Luka.

LA- Devin + Malaki
Spurs- Reaves + Rui + Knecht

Sac- Keldon + Collins
Spurs- Fox

Picks going out as well.

[mo7888]

I also wonder, with the justified revolt in Dallas, if they'll try and make another big move before the deadline? They can make a Butler move without including Kyrie, AD, or Klay.

[scott]

I know we are all on cloud 9... but I think there is still work being done. Our roster is extremely fat on guards and extremely light on Bigs and actual Useful Wings:

PG: Fox/CP3/Blake/Jordan McLaughlin
SG: Castle/Vassell/Branham
SF: Barnes/Keldon/Champ
PF: Sochan/Mamu
C: Wemby/Bassey

Almost certainly more trades are coming. Brain trust, we made this happen and our boy Brian Wright got us a STEAL of a deal. What's next?

[NASpurs]

I know we are all on cloud 9... but I think there is still work being done. Our roster is extremely fat on guards and extremely light on Bigs and actual Useful Wings:

PG: Fox/CP3/Blake/Jordan McLaughlin
SG: Castle/Vassell/Branham
SF: Barnes/Keldon/Champ
PF: Sochan/Mamu
C: Wemby/Bassey

Almost certainly more trades are coming. Brain trust, we made this happen and our boy Brian Wright got us a STEAL of a deal. What's next?

Yeah we definitely need a backup center. Can't wait for Jokic to become a TOSB and we'll pay him peanuts to backup Wemby.

[playbonner15]

I know we are all on cloud 9... but I think there is still work being done. Our roster is extremely fat on guards and extremely light on Bigs and actual Useful Wings:

PG: Fox/CP3/Blake/Jordan McLaughlin
SG: Castle/Vassell/Branham
SF: Barnes/Keldon/Champ
PF: Sochan/Mamu
C: Wemby/Bassey

Almost certainly more trades are coming. Brain trust, we made this happen and our boy Brian Wright got us a STEAL of a deal. What's next?

Probably CP3 and Vassell for Gobert

[DAF86]

I want Cam Johnson and a rim protecting backup center. Don't know who this last guy could be.

[CGD]

I know we are all on cloud 9... but I think there is still work being done. Our roster is extremely fat on guards and extremely light on Bigs and actual Useful Wings:

PG: Fox/CP3/Blake/Jordan McLaughlin
SG: Castle/Vassell/Branham
SF: Barnes/Keldon/Champ
PF: Sochan/Mamu
C: Wemby/Bassey

Almost certainly more trades are coming. Brain trust, we made this happen and our boy Brian Wright got us a STEAL of a deal. What's next?

Or Fox gets his surgery done, acclimates to the team slowly, and Spurs continue to soft tank.

[Spursfanfromafar]

I want Cam Johnson and a rim protecting backup center. Don't know who this last guy could be.

Dayron sharpe perhaps.

[mo7888]

Devin + Keldon + Malaki to Phoenix for KD...anyone?

[CGD]

Devin + Keldon + Malaki to Phoenix for KD...anyone?

Like the thinking, but i think theyre pretty pot committed.

[Chinook]

Devin + Keldon + Malaki to Phoenix for KD...anyone?

If Fox were healthy, it would be an interesting lineup:

Fox, Paul
Castle, Wesley
Durant, Champagnie
Barnes, Sochan, Mamukelashvili
Wembanyama, Bassey

The talent is certainly there. Give them an MLE and a draft, and they might have that roster filled out. I'd wonder if they could put it all together before Durant was cooked. Not having a full season to adjust and potentially being too far back to get HCA in the playoffs means this year is sort of a lost cause. Next year would potentially be their only chance.

[Strategic]

Great day Spurs! Now hoping that an available top end 6’10” front court man decides that San Antonio is looking like a pretty good place to be.

[itzsoweezee]

I said it before, and I think it’s looking even more likely now — Giannis is going to be available this offseason. The Spurs still have enough to get him. They should start tampering now if they haven’t already

[spurraider21]

If Fox were healthy, it would be an interesting lineup:

Fox, Paul
Castle, Wesley
Durant, Champagnie
Barnes, Sochan, Mamukelashvili
Wembanyama, Bassey

The talent is certainly there. Give them an MLE and a draft, and they might have that roster filled out. I'd wonder if they could put it all together before Durant was cooked. Not having a full season to adjust and potentially being too far back to get HCA in the playoffs means this year is sort of a lost cause. Next year would potentially be their only chance.
dOnT gO aLl iN

[spurraider21]

I want Cam Johnson and a rim protecting backup center. Don't know who this last guy could be.
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[spurraider21]

Monk/LaVine/DeRozan/Cam Johnson/Sabonis is the ultimate glass cannon lineup. they may as well bring in D'Antoni if thats the direction they go

realistically they should start Ellis and let Monk be the super 6th man he was last year

[scott]

1886280767086514389

It would be hilarious if we did this Fox trade and then turn around and snipe Cam from under their noses :lol

[Chinook]

dOnT gO aLl iN

If we're real-talking, I'm still worried this trade starts the slipstream of the team dumping its first trying to chase a title that isn't ready to be chased. However, I had a list of like 3-5 players I thought would make sense for a win-now move. Durant was on that list. You trade for Durant trying to win a title over the next couple of years. That's worth rotation players. It wouldn't be worth the Spurs adding a bunch of unprotected picks though.

[Chinook]

Monk/LaVine/DeRozan/Cam Johnson/Sabonis is the ultimate glass cannon lineup. they may as well bring in D'Antoni if thats the direction they go

realistically they should start Ellis and let Monk be the super 6th man he was last year

I still wonder how different the Spurs would look if they were able to snag Monk in free agency. He's been very good lately, and he would've fit the rotation very well.