Spurs trade ideas

[spurraider21]

If we're real-talking, I'm still worried this trade starts the slipstream of the team dumping its first trying to chase a title that isn't ready to be chased. However, I had a list of like 3-5 players I thought would make sense for a win-now move. Durant was on that list. You trade for Durant trying to win a title over the next couple of years. That's worth rotation players. It wouldn't be worth the Spurs adding a bunch of unprotected picks though.
i dont think i disagree all that much with you on the general state of the spurs

this isnt a championship level cast. and wemby isnt good enough yet to elevate them to that level. its clear wemby still has many improvements to make... but despite him still just kinda being the cloverfield monster aimlessly rampaging about at times, the net effect is he's still a borderline top 5 player and mvp caliber guy this year. he may be years away from his peak, but im not sure he is years away from being "best player of championship team" level guy.

does this fox move alone get us there either for this year or next? i dont think so for this year. next year though? its possible. vassell still has room for improvement. and if it doesnt work out, i dont think fox will be dead weight, and can be moved to salvage some value the way the hawks did with dejounte.

i dont think we are a Cam Johnson away. i wouldnt be in favor of parting with 1.5 firsts to get him. i think fox was a hell of an add (especially given what we gave up), and im cool with waiting and seeing how things look before making more swings. if they want to get a valanciunas for a second or two, thats fine though.

[Spurminator]

Valanciunuas would be my next target.

[spurraider21]

I still wonder how different the Spurs would look if they were able to snag Monk in free agency. He's been very good lately, and he would've fit the rotation very well.
he was far and away my #1 free agency target last year. him re-signing with sacto was always a possibility... but him re-signing before free agency openend up for below market rate was not something i thought was a reasonable possibility

[scott]

I still wonder how different the Spurs would look if they were able to snag Monk in free agency. He's been very good lately, and he would've fit the rotation very well.

If you like Monk (which I also do), ***and if we were send CP3 and Vassell off in other moves either now or in the summer** I wonder if we could go back to CHI and inquire about Coby White. He's very similar to that Malik Monk combo-guard mold (and their career DARKO progressions have been eerily similar). White is a better shooter, but Monk is a decent defender whereas White is a sieve. I think a Fox/Castle/White 3-man rotation would be interesting, but there is no use for him with CP3 and Vassell on the roster.

[scott]

I too think if we can just get Big Daddy and play out the rest of the year, that would be good work. We can sort out the Vassell/Keldon/Champ/Barnes/Sochan jumble in the offseason after we see what they do with a heck of a lot of pressure being relieved off of them by adding Fox.

We're going to have a Top 10 pick this year as well, barring a crazy turnaround by ATL, which is freakin' insane to even think about. I wouldn't want to do something like burn assets on Cam and lock ourselves down a path that gives us second thoughts if that draft pick yields some juicy opportunities.

Get Jonas (or someone else, I've always been a fan of Steven Adams as well) and see how this plays out and then complete the immediate rebuild this summer.

[scott]

Actually... just checked and we don't actually have a clean and easy way to get Jonas. Tre Jones was the way to do it, but he's gone. We could do Blake + Bran + SRPs, I'd imagine we'd have to include some cash so that WAS could eat some dead cap.

Jonas + Kispert for Keldon or Barnes also works. I wouldn't do Barnes personally.

[spurraider21]

Actually... just checked and we don't actually have a clean and easy way to get Jonas. Tre Jones was the way to do it, but he's gone. We could do Blake + Bran + SRPs, I'd imagine we'd have to include some cash so that WAS could eat some dead cap.

Jonas + Kispert for Keldon or Barnes also works. I wouldn't do Barnes personally.
ah, hadnt considered that

wright fucked up again tbh

[ixiXSolidXixi]

I am not sure what’s the Spurs plan from here but offer Devin Vassell for Cam Johnson.

[T Park]

Valanciunuas would be my next target.

I mean they already have big men that can’t defend the rim

[T Park]

Also, the buyout market may produce a center.

We’ll see.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Can the spurs get a solid 3 and d player for keldon Johnson?

[scott]

Feeling frisky since you never know what NBA GMs will accept anymore... this one dedicated to my friend Chinook on this, the glorious day of his return.

https://i.imgur.com/NqjmIlM.png

[eric365]

Also, the buyout market may produce a center.

We’ll see.

Whoever he is, he will go to the lakers…

[venitian navigator]

Whatabout takin a look at Mo Bamba? Hes Just been released and shoiuld be a free agent...minimum risk and possible Just what the doctor ordered 4 priotecting the ring in the non Wemby minutes...

[SpursGenius]

i dont think i disagree all that much with you on the general state of the spurs

this isnt a championship level cast. and wemby isnt good enough yet to elevate them to that level. its clear wemby still has many improvements to make... but despite him still just kinda being the cloverfield monster aimlessly rampaging about at times, the net effect is he's still a borderline top 5 player and mvp caliber guy this year. he may be years away from his peak, but im not sure he is years away from being "best player of championship team" level guy.

does this fox move alone get us there either for this year or next? i dont think so for this year. next year though? its possible. vassell still has room for improvement. and if it doesnt work out, i dont think fox will be dead weight, and can be moved to salvage some value the way the hawks did with dejounte.

i dont think we are a Cam Johnson away. i wouldnt be in favor of parting with 1.5 firsts to get him. i think fox was a hell of an add (especially given what we gave up), and im cool with waiting and seeing how things look before making more swings. if they want to get a valanciunas for a second or two, thats fine though.
This guy knows what he is talking about.

[RC_Drunkford]

can we snatch Day'Ron Sharpe from the Nets? Earns only 4 million per year and is a restricted free agent after this season. Would be a nice addition, could just ship out Branham and a bunch of second round picks to get him.

Daniel Theis from the Pels would be another option.

[LeBowen]

can we snatch Day'Ron Sharpe from the Nets? Earns only 4 million per year and is a restricted free agent after this season. Would be a nice addition, could just ship out Branham and a bunch of second round picks to get him.

Daniel Theis from the Pels would be another option.

Apparently a lot of teams are interested in him, idk what would be the asking price, Nets obviously can't ask for a FRP.
Branham or Wesley and SRPs makes sense.
Theis is washed and not worth it.

No point for trading for a wing now and overpaying, that should be this summer's priority, depending on how the draft goes.
But we absolutely must get a backup big if we're to win 35+ games.

[RC_Drunkford]

Apparently a lot of teams are interested in him, idk what would be the asking price, Nets obviously can't ask for a FRP.
Branham or Wesley and SRPs makes sense.
Theis is washed and not worth it.

No point for trading for a wing now and overpaying, that should be this summer's priority, depending on how the draft goes.
But we absolutely must get a backup big if we're to win 35+ games.

we definitely have to look at back up bigs making under 5 million per year. We can't trade 3-4 players for a Valanciunas at this point. Or maybe we get somebody off the buyout market, since we have an open roster spot now. Just not sure which bigs would get waived or bought out.

[LeBowen]

we definitely have to look at back up bigs making under 5 million per year. We can't trade 3-4 players for a Valanciunas at this point. Or maybe we get somebody off the buyout market, since we have an open roster spot now. Just not sure which bigs would get waived or bought out.

Not many names who could be solid enough are available in that salary range.
Tillman, idk what would the Celtics want, I'm sure they can use a SRP or two.
Sharpe
Eubanks, lmao.

Can't see anyone else making less than $5M who would actually be a positive contributor.

[RC_Drunkford]

Not many names who could be solid enough are available in that salary range.
Tillman, idk what would the Celtics want, I'm sure they can use a SRP or two.
Sharpe
Eubanks, lmao.

Can't see anyone else making less than $5M who would actually be a positive contributor.

time for another Popovich "let's turn a G-League player into an NBA rotation player" project

[mudyez]

I don't think, that we should worry too much about this seasons roster. Depending on if Fox will play or just take care of his hand and whatever they promised CP3, keep CP or let him walk. Regarding the bigs just test some prospect and show some love for Mamu.

I don't care howwe finish this year. If we can get some extra percentages to move into the top4 or even get Flagg, take those few weeks and just see what you got. Starting this summer the tanking is stopping anyway.

[Bruno]

Can the spurs get a solid 3 and d player for keldon Johnson?

Yep, Keldon is fitting less and less with the team. Spurs need defense and shooting to complement their main players and these are his main weaknesses.

I'm not sure what is Keldon's trade value. He is young locked with a quite friendly contract but he has gone from 22pgg to 12 ppg in 2 seasons. If Spurs can get something positive for him, they shouldn't hesitate.

Spurs also don't need to force a trade. If there isn't a good opportunity, they can stand pat and wait this offseason.

[rankingtear]

Valanciunuas would be my next target.

Can't imagine Valanciunas crossing half court with the pace they are playing with lately and even more now with Fox.

[Davidicus]

I don't think, that we should worry too much about this seasons roster. Depending on if Fox will play or just take care of his hand and whatever they promised CP3, keep CP or let him walk. Regarding the bigs just test some prospect and show some love for Mamu.

I don't care howwe finish this year. If we can get some extra percentages to move into the top4 or even get Flagg, take those few weeks and just see what you got. Starting this summer the tanking is stopping anyway.

+1. I’m a proponent of seeing what we’ve got and integrating. I’m fascinated to see immediate next steps with CP3 playing time vs Fox, with his hand injury as an interesting factor.

See where the draft picks land and then use all assets to sharpen the blade before next season.

[k830713]

Who would you add to the current lineup ? Is it better to trade or wait until the draft ?

[LeBowen]

+1. I’m a proponent of seeing what we’ve got and integrating. I’m fascinated to see immediate next steps with CP3 playing time vs Fox with his hand injury as an interesting factor.

See where the draft picks land and then use all assets to sharpen the blade before next season.

Yeah, we don't really need a SF right away, it's not like we'll win a playoff series this season.
But I disagree on C situation.
We're just not a functional team without a legit backup big. Everything just stops working as soon as Wemby sits.
We need to someone to enable the team to function, chemistry and players can't develop if nothing works in non-Wemby minutes.
Another thing is that Jeremy gets the short end of the stick again after PG experiment. Nothing good can come from him spending the rest of the season as a backup big.
Get someone cheap and see how things work with the rest of the rotation.

It's obvious that we need to consolidate a couple of players into an upgrade. Give everyone a fair chance in these remaining games, but the jury is still out on everyone except Wemby, Castle and Fox.
Hopefully CP3 stays another year, if he doesn't then just get another veteran backup PG.

Next season should look something like:
Fox/CP3
Castle/?
?/Champ
Barnes/Jeremy
Wemby/?

It's up to Devin to prove he's good enough to fill one of those needs, I don't think Keldon can hope to do the same, he's just not good enough.
Would be nice to upgrade Barnes, but he's solid enough and not a priority.

We go back to my ideal scenario of getting a 6'9-6'11 elite shooter to pair with Wemby.
Wait for the summer and see if Markkanen or MPJ are available. Cam Johnson will be gone.
Get a legit backup big and draft the best SF available.

[mo7888]

If we're real-talking, I'm still worried this trade starts the slipstream of the team dumping its first trying to chase a title that isn't ready to be chased. However, I had a list of like 3-5 players I thought would make sense for a win-now move. Durant was on that list. You trade for Durant trying to win a title over the next couple of years. That's worth rotation players. It wouldn't be worth the Spurs adding a bunch of unprotected picks though.

I'm kind of here as well. Unless it's consolidating a few player for a player like KD then I'd prefer to stand pat the rest of this season and reevaluate this summer. A small move with a couple 2nd's would be fine or looking for a backup big in the buyout pool is fine, but I'd keep my 1st's until the summer at the very least.

[Spursfanfromafar]

For the short-medium term, one guy I think the Spurs can target as a back-up big would be Kevon Looney. Good offensive rebounder, good all-round defender and ideal as a back-up. Can we get him for Malaki Branham plus Jordan McLoughlin and two seconds? Or maybe sneak into a trade between the Warriors and Heat if that happens?

[mo7888]

For the short-medium term, one guy I think the Spurs can target as a back-up big would be Kevon Looney. Good offensive rebounder, good all-round defender and ideal as a back-up. Can we get him for Malaki Branham plus Jordan McLoughlin and two seconds? Or maybe sneak into a trade between the Warriors and Heat if that happens?

That's the kind of low key trade I'd be happy with.

[cutewizard]

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[cutewizard]

Do you like Jake LaRavia guys??

[mo7888]

Do you like Jake LaRavia guys??

He'd be a nice depth piece if the contract is reasonable.

[Dejounte]

If keldon survives this trade deadline, then i think he’s going to be a lifelong spur tbh

[Dejounte]

scott ‘s metric where it shows whenever keldon scores more than 20 we have a high win rate is a huge indicator tbh. All we need from him is consistency and he might be play a big role in our success

[Bruno]

A little summary of Spurs draft picks chest:

first/second round picks per year:
2025: 2/1
2026: 1/4 (including a second round pick that will be really bad: worst of Thunder/Mavs/Sixers)
2027: 1/1
2028: 1/3
2029: 1/3
2030: 1/2
2031: 1/2

Quality wise, there are some great picks in it with first round picks swaps.
Quantity wise, it's fine but it isn't at the point where Spurs will be submerged by picks.

Spurs have turned quantity into quality with the Fox trade. They have traded 3 firsts and 4 seconds (or 2 firsts and 6 seconds if the Bulls pick had never conveyed) for one player. Their picks' stash is now way easier to manage. Risks of wasting second round picks are lower than before.

[RC_Drunkford]

I was about to look this up. This means we still have plenty of 2nd rounders to move around for role player upgrades

[LeBowen]

I don't think we'll draft two rookies this year.
Either we trade up with two picks, trade one away for a proven player or just kick it down the road like we did in the last draft.

[Big Empty]

Patiently wait to see if the Greek Freak wants to sign with SA this summer

[DPG21920]

I posted this on X but wanted to post here too. I really do wonder what, if anything we see from ATL here this deadline:

I wonder what ATL is going to do. They lost Jalen for season, they are floundering as a fringe PO team even in the weak East despite Trae playing his best, Jalen breaking out, Hunter breaking out, Dyson breaking out…..

Will they be buyers and try to keep eeking into playoffs? Are they going to give up what little draft picks they do have to make that push knowing Trae is due a massive extension too and they wont be able to improve team much with no picks and lots of salary on the books?

Or will they be a surprise seller and try to get their picks back from SA or at least get other picks to stock up with?

Very interesting situation there for obvious reasons.

[spurraider21]

Patiently wait to see if the Greek Freak wants to sign with SA this summer
Giannis is under contract through at least the 26-27 season and then has a player option the year after that

[LeBowen]

[Fischer] The Suns are listening to offers on Kevin Durant and Durant is aware of this. Golden State has been the most active in the pursuit of Durant with Phoenix holding interest in Kuminga. Golden State’s ideal plan? Bringing both LeBron and Durant to the Bay Area to play alongside Curry.

Cmon Brian, you're on a roll.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I think Atlanta will be a seller when it comes to fringe players they could get value for - Capela, Bogdanovic, Nance. Won’t get much for them but they don’t seem to be a part of their future anyway and would likely not make them significantly worse this season either.

Can’t see them spending draft equity or shuffling their core players.

[spurraider21]

I posted this on X but wanted to post here too. I really do wonder what, if anything we see from ATL here this deadline:

I wonder what ATL is going to do. They lost Jalen for season, they are floundering as a fringe PO team even in the weak East despite Trae playing his best, Jalen breaking out, Hunter breaking out, Dyson breaking out…..

Will they be buyers and try to keep eeking into playoffs? Are they going to give up what little draft picks they do have to make that push knowing Trae is due a massive extension too and they wont be able to improve team much with no picks and lots of salary on the books?

Or will they be a surprise seller and try to get their picks back from SA or at least get other picks to stock up with?

Very interesting situation there for obvious reasons.
they dont really have anything i'd give their picks for. the piece to do that for was hypothetically Young but we just landed Fox. they're not going to move Jalen Johnson. would you give them their 2027 for Risacher? would they even want to do that?

[Kevin]

Cmon Brian, you're on a roll.

KD is two years too old. Tempting but still a pass given his price.

[LeBowen]

KD is two years too old. Tempting but still a pass given his price.

It depends on the price.
KD will keep hooping until they carry him off the floor in a body bag.
I'd say 3 more seasons after this one.

[mo7888]

I posted this on X but wanted to post here too. I really do wonder what, if anything we see from ATL here this deadline:

I wonder what ATL is going to do. They lost Jalen for season, they are floundering as a fringe PO team even in the weak East despite Trae playing his best, Jalen breaking out, Hunter breaking out, Dyson breaking out…..

Will they be buyers and try to keep eeking into playoffs? Are they going to give up what little draft picks they do have to make that push knowing Trae is due a massive extension too and they wont be able to improve team much with no picks and lots of salary on the books?

Or will they be a surprise seller and try to get their picks back from SA or at least get other picks to stock up with?

Very interesting situation there for obvious reasons.

What could they possibly offer that would get their picks back? I can't see anything they have worth those picks unless they can orchestrate a massive 3 team deal with an alpha coming here and i don't see any alphas on the market.

[Kevin]

It depends on the price.
KD will keep hooping until they carry him off the floor in a body bag.
I'd say 3 more seasons after this one.

Matching salaries needed would have to be Dev+ one of KJ or Barnes or KJ Barnes and Sochan. Hard doing a KD deal without nuking this years roster. A deal requires about 40M in outbound salary.

[DPG21920]

they dont really have anything i'd give their picks for. the piece to do that for was hypothetically Young but we just landed Fox. they're not going to move Jalen Johnson. would you give them their 2027 for Risacher? would they even want to do that?

No but it may be a situation that if they were to make Trae and Hunter available they could get other very good picks that then go to us in return for their picks +

So for SA giving ATL back control of their future, SA instead of getting 2 unprotected first + a swap gets say 4 unprotected firsts, 2 of which are equal-ish quality?

So ATL gets their 2 picks back + their swap and SA gets 4 firsts back for allowing that to happen while Trae + Hunter go to other teams?

[scott]

Apparently a lot of teams are interested in him, idk what would be the asking price, Nets obviously can't ask for a FRP.
Branham or Wesley and SRPs makes sense.
Theis is washed and not worth it.

No point for trading for a wing now and overpaying, that should be this summer's priority, depending on how the draft goes.
But we absolutely must get a backup big if we're to win 35+ games.

New avatar is fresh, amigo. Cant' wait to join you in the shedding of past avi's

[DPG21920]

I think Atlanta will be a seller when it comes to fringe players they could get value for - Capela, Bogdanovic, Nance. Won’t get much for them but they don’t seem to be a part of their future anyway and would likely not make them significantly worse this season either.

Can’t see them spending draft equity or shuffling their core players.

So they just stay on the treadmill as a fringe team despite Trae playing his best ball ever and getting breakouts from all the guys they hoped as they get more expensive and cant really improve their team once Trae signs yet another max extension?

[LeBowen]

Matching salaries needed would have to be Dev+ one of KJ or Barnes or KJ Barnes and Sochan. Hard doing a KD deal without nuking this years roster. A deal requires about 40M in outbound salary.

I don't see long-term future for Devin as a starter, I don't want to see Castle pushed to SF.
I'd offer them Devin+Keldon+worse of '25 SAS/ATL and a handful of SRPs.


So they just stay on the treadmill as a fringe team despite Trae playing his best ball ever and getting breakouts from all the guys they hoped as they get more expensive and cant really improve their team once Trae signs yet another max extension?

A lot of owners are happy to have entertaining first round exit teams as long as it sells tickets and doesn't cost any luxury tax money.

[scott]

scott (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=150) ‘s metric where it shows whenever keldon scores more than 20 we have a high win rate is a huge indicator tbh. All we need from him is consistency and he might be play a big role in our success

That's not quite the metric. It's not when Keldon scores more than 20, it's when Keldon has a Game Score more than 20 (which is rare for him, and for his role). I'd invite you to revisit that thread, because I don't think it says what you think it says.

[Kevin]

I don't see long-term future for Devin as a starter, I don't want to see Castle pushed to SF.
I'd offer them Devin+Keldon+worse of '25 SAS/ATL and a handful of SRPs.



A lot of owners are happy to have entertaining first round exit teams as long as it sells tickets and doesn't cost any luxury tax money.

If that’s all takes sign me up! I would think it would cost more and the Suns would prefer Barnes over KJ since his contract is one year shorter.

[LeBowen]

If that’s all takes sign me up! I would think it would cost more and the Suns would prefer Barnes over KJ since his contract is one year shorter.

Fine by me.


[Charania] The Golden State Warriors have called the Philadelphia 76ers about a Paul George trade.

Post-Steph Warriors are going to be worse than post-MJ Bulls, someone take the keys away.
If I was Morey, I'd accept just a salary match to get rid of the worst contract in the league.

[DPG21920]

What could they possibly offer that would get their picks back? I can't see anything they have worth those picks unless they can orchestrate a massive 3 team deal with an alpha coming here and i don't see any alphas on the market.

What if they traded Trae to HOU for say Jabari Smith (and other salaries) + 2027 first round draft pick from Brooklyn (swap, Houston outgoing) + 2027 first round draft pick from Phoenix + 2029 first round draft pick from Dallas and / or Phoenix (two most favorable of these and Houston, Houston outgoing to Brooklyn)

And those picks get re-routed to SA for ATL 25, ATL 26 swap and ATL 27?

So spurs give up ATL 25, 26 swap and ATL 27 and get: Best of 27 pick from HOU or BKY (replaces the 27 pick from ATL), 2027 PHX (replaces 25 ATL), and 2029 firsts from 2 of HOU, Dallas or PHX

[montgod]

It depends on the price.
KD will keep hooping until they carry him off the floor in a body bag.
I'd say 3 more seasons after this one.

He'd be a great addition, but Suns will be asking for everything the Spurs FO saved for the immediate and distant future to be successful (eg ATL picks, future 1st rd swaps, etc) especially understanding what they gave up to get KD. Still silly to me why they didn't trade him last year, but owner is trying to save face so I get it.

[scott]

I posted this on X but wanted to post here too. I really do wonder what, if anything we see from ATL here this deadline:

I wonder what ATL is going to do. They lost Jalen for season, they are floundering as a fringe PO team even in the weak East despite Trae playing his best, Jalen breaking out, Hunter breaking out, Dyson breaking out…..

Will they be buyers and try to keep eeking into playoffs? Are they going to give up what little draft picks they do have to make that push knowing Trae is due a massive extension too and they wont be able to improve team much with no picks and lots of salary on the books?

Or will they be a surprise seller and try to get their picks back from SA or at least get other picks to stock up with?

Very interesting situation there for obvious reasons.

Just one note: the Hawks have plenty of draft picks, they just don't have their own in 25, 26 (swap) or 27.

Hawks upcoming picks:

2025: SAC (Protected 1-12), LAL
2026: SAC (Protected 1-10 if not already conveyed), worst of SA/ATL
2027: MIL
Then they have all of their own picks after that. The also have a bevy of incoming SRPs

[mo7888]

I don't see long-term future for Devin as a starter, I don't want to see Castle pushed to SF.
I'd offer them Devin+Keldon+worse of '25 SAS/ATL and a handful of SRPs.



A lot of owners are happy to have entertaining first round exit teams as long as it sells tickets and doesn't cost any luxury tax money.

I'm doing that KD deal and I'd expect us to compete in the West this year.

[LeBowen]

He'd be a great addition, but Suns will be asking for everything the Spurs FO saved for the immediate and distant future to be successful (eg ATL picks, future 1st rd swaps, etc) especially understanding what they gave up to get KD. Still silly to me why they didn't trade him last year, but owner is trying to save face so I get it.

KD will inevitably ask out after they fail this season, they can't expect to get much in return for an unhappy 37 year old on an expiring contract, even if it's KD.
I just don't see how Suns get out of this awful situation without trading Booker to Houston to get their picks back.

[baseline bum]

With Fox in hand now I'm ready to just wait to see what those 2025 picks are unless something major comes out of nowhere like Luka to LA (obviously not that big, as Denver's not trading us Jokic or something :lol)

[scott]

they dont really have anything i'd give their picks for. the piece to do that for was hypothetically Young but we just landed Fox. they're not going to move Jalen Johnson. would you give them their 2027 for Risacher? would they even want to do that?

Honestly, I think Hunter is a guy who really fits what we need. With that said, I'm happy with standing pat for now other than seeing what we can do at backup C... unless some great opportunity for a consolidation trade appears. I like Hunter a lot and think he's the right archetype, but I'm not too excited to spend anymore FRPs, and I'd rather just have ATL25.

[DPG21920]

Just one note: the Hawks have plenty of draft picks, they just don't have their own in 25, 26 (swap) or 27.

Hawks upcoming picks:

2025: SAC (Protected 1-12), LAL
2026: SAC (Protected 1-10 if not already conveyed), worst of SA/ATL
2027: MIL
Then they have all of their own picks after that. The also have a bevy of incoming SRPs

That’s not that much IMO esp since SAC is making win now moves and that pick and lakers pick wont be lottery. It’s not nothing, but I wouldn’t say a lot. But it’s more about controlling own future etc..and how can they improve when as is they are a fringe PO team and they are about to get a lot more expensive when Trae signs his extension? Will Trae force his way out since he wants to win? What then?

[mo7888]

What if they traded Trae to HOU for say Jabari Smith (and other salaries) + 2027 first round draft pick from Brooklyn (swap, Houston outgoing) + 2027 first round draft pick from Phoenix + 2029 first round draft pick from Dallas and / or Phoenix (two most favorable of these and Houston, Houston outgoing to Brooklyn)

And those picks get re-routed to SA for ATL 25, ATL 26 swap and ATL 27?

So spurs give up ATL 25, 26 swap and ATL 27 and get: Best of 27 pick from HOU or BKY (replaces the 27 pick from ATL), 2027 PHX (replaces 25 ATL), and 2029 firsts from 2 of HOU, Dallas or PHX

If we could send Sochan to Atl and get back Smith then I'd be down for that easily.

[Ice009]

Sam Vecenie had:

SAS: Fox
SAC: Levine + SAS picks
CHI: Huerter; Spurs filler + return CHI pick

Darn, this guy nailed it/called it spot on a few days ago.

[DPG21920]

Im just pointing out that there may be ways for SA to get ATL their picks back IF ATL sees writing on wall regarding Trae not re-signing with them since they cant win with him and everyone of their players breaking out best case scenario.

Imagine that. You have Trae playing great and every single player you need to breakout does and you still are 9th/10th in East???

[baseline bum]

I don't see long-term future for Devin as a starter, I don't want to see Castle pushed to SF.
I'd offer them Devin+Keldon+worse of '25 SAS/ATL and a handful of SRPs.


KD for Vassell and a first that'll be 14±3 sounds nuts, especially when they're killing themselves to get Butler. I'd be willing to throw in the 2030 with DAL+MIN pick swap to get KD though.

[scott]

That’s not that much IMO esp since SAC is making win now moves and that pick and lakers pick wont be lottery. It’s not nothing, but I wouldn’t say a lot. But it’s more about controlling own future etc..and how can they improve when as is they are a fringe PO team and they are about to get a lot more expensive when Trae signs his extension? Will Trae force his way out since he wants to win? What then?

Well, you said they "have no picks", when in fact they have more than if they just had their own. The point is, ATL has the capability to improve their team without getting their own picks back - so they are unlikely to be in a situation where they are desperate to get them back (like PHX will be very shortly).

[CGD]

If we could send Sochan to Atl and get back Smith then I'd be down for that easily.

Smith would be perfect in SA. Have long wanted him here. I’d also be happy trading up to get Ace Bailey who has a similar profile.

[LeBowen]

With Fox in hand now I'm ready to just wait to see what those 2025 picks are unless something major comes out of nowhere like Luka to LA (obviously not that big, as Denver's not trading us Jokic or something :lol)

I wouldn't trade either before the draft, but the only players I'd surely draft are Flagg or Bailey.
If we don't get lucky yet again by some miracle, those picks should be shopped around to see which high end starters are available, unless PATFO really likes someone in the draft.

[montgod]

KD will inevitably ask out after they fail this season, they can't expect to get much in return for an unhappy 37 year old on an expiring contract, even if it's KD.
I just don't see how Suns get out of this awful situation without trading Booker to Houston to get their picks back.

Good points, but if they are successful in getting Butler, the viewpoint may change since owner would have really put himself "all in" for the next several years. Obviously, KD can be vocal and change the perspective though.

Your trade offer: Devin+Keldon+worse of '25 SAS/ATL and a handful of SRPs.
I'd definitely be okay with that, I just don't see the Suns being interested in Devin/Keldon. And as stated above, if Butler comes aboard, I don't see much movement at all with Suns and they'll try their hand w/the new 3 for a few years before blowing it up.

[scott]

There is almost no scenario where I'm trading the ATL25 pick at this point. We got Fox while preserving that, which is a major fucking coup. Against ATL's best efforts, that "golden ticket" is trending to exactly where we only could have hoped in our wildest dreams. Don't fuck it up now because we got a huge trade W under our belt.

This is going to come as a shock coming from me... but now is the time for some patience, mijitos.

[mo7888]

KD for Vassell and a first that'll be 14±3 sounds nuts, especially when they're killing themselves to get Butler. I'd be willing to throw in the 2030 with DAL+MIN pick swap to get KD though.

Yea, Phoenix would have to pivot based on Beal not dropping his no trade clause. I wouldn't give more than our lesser pick this year though.

[scott]

Good points, but if they are successful in getting Butler, the viewpoint may change since owner would have really put himself "all in" for the next several years. Obviously, KD can be vocal and change the perspective though.

Your trade offer: Devin+Keldon+worse of '25 SAS/ATL and a handful of SRPs.
I'd definitely be okay with that, I just don't see the Suns being interested in Devin/Keldon. And as stated above, if Butler comes aboard, I don't see much movement at all with Suns and they'll try their hand w/the new 3 for a few years before blowing it up.

The move would be what I posted a few pages back... Butler to PHX, Durant to SA, Devin and Keldon to Miami. Both Miami and PHX would need draft compensation obviously. It's fun to think about it, but I'm staying away :lol

[stephen jackson]

now we just need a few snipers

[mo7888]

The move would be what I posted a few pages back... Butler to PHX, Durant to SA, Devin and Keldon to Miami. Both Miami and PHX would need draft compensation obviously. It's fun to think about it, but I'm staying away :lol

I wouldn't give draft compensation past our lesser pick this year and maybe a couple 2nd's. Miami gets two 2nd's and Phoenix gets our 1st this year.

[DPG21920]

Well, you said they "have no picks", when in fact they have more than if they just had their own. The point is, ATL has the capability to improve their team without getting their own picks back - so they are unlikely to be in a situation where they are desperate to get them back (like PHX will be very shortly).

I wasn’t being literal lol. I meant they dont have their own picks in very core drafts coming up where they need to clearly improve their team or risk Trae walking because he wants to win etc..

[baseline bum]

What if they traded Trae to HOU for say Jabari Smith (and other salaries) + 2027 first round draft pick from Brooklyn (swap, Houston outgoing) + 2027 first round draft pick from Phoenix + 2029 first round draft pick from Dallas and / or Phoenix (two most favorable of these and Houston, Houston outgoing to Brooklyn)

And those picks get re-routed to SA for ATL 25, ATL 26 swap and ATL 27?

So spurs give up ATL 25, 26 swap and ATL 27 and get: Best of 27 pick from HOU or BKY (replaces the 27 pick from ATL), 2027 PHX (replaces 25 ATL), and 2029 firsts from 2 of HOU, Dallas or PHX

I really think Houston is just going to sit back and wait a year until Phoenix realizes they have to send them Booker.

[DPG21920]

Well, you said they "have no picks", when in fact they have more than if they just had their own. The point is, ATL has the capability to improve their team without getting their own picks back - so they are unlikely to be in a situation where they are desperate to get them back (like PHX will be very shortly).

Who can ATL outbid with Kings + Laker picks if a real player is available for trade without giving up Hunter/Jalen/Dyson/Risacher? When would ATL ever have best package without their own picks in tow?

They have some picks and like I said, are they going to give up their remaining draft capital for someone like Ingram to try and keep eeking into playoffs and hope that Trae will sign another big extension (further hampering ability to build a winner)?

[baseline bum]

Yea, Phoenix would have to pivot based on Beal not dropping his no trade clause. I wouldn't give more than our lesser pick this year though.

I just don't see Miami swallowing Beal. God I hope we don't either. :lol

[DPG21920]

There is almost no scenario where I'm trading the ATL25 pick at this point. We got Fox while preserving that, which is a major fucking coup. Against ATL's best efforts, that "golden ticket" is trending to exactly where we only could have hoped in our wildest dreams. Don't fuck it up now because we got a huge trade W under our belt.

This is going to come as a shock coming from me... but now is the time for some patience, mijitos.

I agree there lol - IM not just giving it up, but Im more pointing out ATL is in a tough spot and SA could be a team that facilitates them “surprise” blowing it up

[spurraider21]

Honestly, I think Hunter is a guy who really fits what we need. With that said, I'm happy with standing pat for now other than seeing what we can do at backup C... unless some great opportunity for a consolidation trade appears. I like Hunter a lot and think he's the right archetype, but I'm not too excited to spend anymore FRPs, and I'd rather just have ATL25.
spurs should absolutely stand pat. the Fox acquisition is going to really change the on-court dynamics on both ends of the court. a lot of guys who looked awkward or bad might suddenly be elevated. some guys might look worse with this fit. we should give the rest of the year to figure out how well these players gel, and then strike when the time is right in the future.

if we want to send 2-3 seconds to get a solid reserve with more than a year left on his deal, thats something id entertain

[DPG21920]

I really think Houston is just going to sit back and wait a year until Phoenix realizes they have to send them Booker.

True - but it was just one example of possible type deals. I don’t think HOU would do that if they think theres a 10% chance Booker wants out

[montgod]

The move would be what I posted a few pages back... Butler to PHX, Durant to SA, Devin and Keldon to Miami. Both Miami and PHX would need draft compensation obviously. It's fun to think about it, but I'm staying away :lol

Yeah I'm with you in that I don't want to mess with any of those valuable picks that FO were able to keep before seeing who they could be at the end of the season. And yeah your scenario does include a lot of pieces and can't see it happening IF Butler goes to PHX since owner will want to see if that new big 3 works. Definitely wouldn't happen this year. Both teams would laugh at the Devin/Keldon additions cause I think Spurs value them more than other teams unless a valuable 1st rd or two are included.

[mo7888]

I just don't see Miami swallowing Beal. God I hope we don't either. :lol

We nor Miami would take Beal i don't believe. They're trying to find a 3rd team to move him to. If they fail, they can either offer up KD or stand pat.

[LeBowen]

spurs should absolutely stand pat. the Fox acquisition is going to really change the on-court dynamics on both ends of the court. a lot of guys who looked awkward or bad might suddenly be elevated. some guys might look worse with this fit. we should give the rest of the year to figure out how well these players gel, and then strike when the time is right in the future.

if we want to send 2-3 seconds to get a solid reserve with more than a year left on his deal, thats something id entertain

I'd say we must get a reliable backup big, but I agree about not making bigger moves.
The team just doesn't function without Wemby on the floor, how are bench lineups supposed to develop and play their best game if Jeremy is the backup big?
Jeremy who gets the short end of the stick yet again.
I'm not that high on him, but we can't know his actual ceiling if he's going to play every single role except his actual one.

[ixiXSolidXixi]

Trade Keldon Johnson for Cam Johnson.
Then we have Fox, Vassell and Cam with Castle to cover all three.

If we get a Top 5 we can grab Tre Johnson to replace Vassell in the near future.

[scott]

spurs should absolutely stand pat. the Fox acquisition is going to really change the on-court dynamics on both ends of the court. a lot of guys who looked awkward or bad might suddenly be elevated. some guys might look worse with this fit. we should give the rest of the year to figure out how well these players gel, and then strike when the time is right in the future.

if we want to send 2-3 seconds to get a solid reserve with more than a year left on his deal, thats something id entertain

Seconded! Spurs Pro Scouting department should kiss their wives and kids goodbye for the rest of the season and need to have the most dialed in reports they've ever put together. I want 20 pagers on LaRavia and Aldama on my desk by Saturday!

[montgod]

We nor Miami would take Beal i don't believe. They're trying to find a 3rd team to move him to. If they fail, they can either offer up KD or stand pat.

Yeah that's a tough one. I could see Bulls might w/their trade exception and try to work in Vucevic/White/Williams in the deal some how. Nets or Utah might as well.

[Teamduncan21]

Trade Keldon Johnson for Cam Johnson.
Then we have Fox, Vassell and Cam with Castle to cover all three.

If we get a Top 5 we can grab Tre Johnson to replace Vassell in the near future.

Need to have all the Johnson's now

[RC_Drunkford]

I posted this on X but wanted to post here too. I really do wonder what, if anything we see from ATL here this deadline:

I wonder what ATL is going to do. They lost Jalen for season, they are floundering as a fringe PO team even in the weak East despite Trae playing his best, Jalen breaking out, Hunter breaking out, Dyson breaking out…..

Will they be buyers and try to keep eeking into playoffs? Are they going to give up what little draft picks they do have to make that push knowing Trae is due a massive extension too and they wont be able to improve team much with no picks and lots of salary on the books?

Or will they be a surprise seller and try to get their picks back from SA or at least get other picks to stock up with?

Very interesting situation there for obvious reasons.

from what I know they want to move Bogdanovic and Capela. They are also to be rumored to be interested in Ingram, but Ingram is injured. I don't really see how they could improve tbh

[RC_Drunkford]

Fine by me.



Post-Steph Warriors are going to be worse than post-MJ Bulls, someone take the keys away.
If I was Morey, I'd accept just a salary match to get rid of the worst contract in the league.

I heard a couple years back that they were "light years ahead". Well...:lol

[Mr. Body]

spurs should absolutely stand pat. the Fox acquisition is going to really change the on-court dynamics on both ends of the court. a lot of guys who looked awkward or bad might suddenly be elevated. some guys might look worse with this fit. we should give the rest of the year to figure out how well these players gel, and then strike when the time is right in the future.

if we want to send 2-3 seconds to get a solid reserve with more than a year left on his deal, thats something id entertain

Completely. We've figured out Wembanyama's spots on the floor and preferences and now we're adding a significant piece, so we need to figure out what works. We have two very good players in Castle and Sochan with similar skill sets but lack of offense, and both good slashers/cutters. We have the significant tutelage of Chris Paul that would be nice to keep.

Fox is around a 30% usage rate, which is very high. He takes 20 shots a game, which is higher than Victor. Does he get the same number of shots? Where do they come? How does he work in the Spurs' ball-movement offense?

[Mr. Body]

I heard a couple years back that they were "light years ahead". Well...:lol

Then they drafted James Wiseman.

[SpursGenius]

Trade Keldon Johnson for Cam Johnson.
Then we have Fox, Vassell and Cam with Castle to cover all three.

If we get a Top 5 we can grab Tre Johnson to replace Vassell in the near future.
Spurs need to go hard for Cam Johnson and Jon Collins. Use Vassell Keldon own frp in 26 and 28 to get it done. Both perfect fits at pf and sf. Both shooting over 40 percent from three and give us more height from Keldon and Devin.

[LeBowen]

Then they drafted James Wiseman.

They wanted to outsmart everyone with two timelines strategy and it backfired.
#2 pick in 2020, #7 and #14 in 2021, could've added legit help.
Not to mention that Wagner was picked with #8 in 2021.

[$pursDynasty]

Jimmy Butler is trying to get to Phx so I am not sure he would if he thought KD might be about to leave. I wouldn't go for any big move HOWEVER with the Instagram Baller hurting his achilles, I would revisit contacting the Pelicans just in case they become sellers and acquiring Herb Jones. If the Spurs are acquiring elite talent for playoff runs Jones is a Nephew level defender on a good contract. He would be more valuable than any lottery protected first round pick down the road. Jones is an elite wing defender in ways the Sochan is not. Adding Fox and Jones to this lineup and only losing picks that were lottery protected would be a major heist, all players acquired are young and ascending within the Wemby window.

[spurraider21]

I'd say we must get a reliable backup big, but I agree about not making bigger moves.
The team just doesn't function without Wemby on the floor, how are bench lineups supposed to develop and play their best game if Jeremy is the backup big?
Jeremy who gets the short end of the stick yet again.
I'm not that high on him, but we can't know his actual ceiling if he's going to play every single role except his actual one.
let bassey have his growing pains as the backup big. play mamu next to him.

[Seventyniner]

Need to have all the Johnson's now

Trade the war chest for Cam Johnson, Jalen Johnson, James Johnson, and Gradey Dick.

[LeBowen]

Spurs need to go hard for Cam Johnson and Jon Collins. Use Vassell Keldon own frp in 26 and 28 to get it done. Both perfect fits at pf and sf. Both shooting over 40 percent from three and give us more height from Keldon and Devin.

I'm actually not sure about Cam Johnson.
Don't get me wrong, a very good starter, but 2 FRPs asking price is too high.
We can't take this season's statline seriously because he's got the ultimate green light on an awful team.
In his 4 peak seasons before this one he was at 13.5ppg on 40% 3pt FG.
Good defender, but not great.
No ballhandling skills (we don't need those, but it's about his value).
Just 4rpg despite being 6'8.

For comparison, Champ averages 13ppg on 36% 3pt when he plays more than 25 minutes this season.
I'm not saying Champ is better than Cam, he's not, I'm just saying that the difference between them isn't big enough to warrant Spurs sending FRPs to acquire Cam.

[RC_Drunkford]

There is almost no scenario where I'm trading the ATL25 pick at this point. We got Fox while preserving that, which is a major fucking coup. Against ATL's best efforts, that "golden ticket" is trending to exactly where we only could have hoped in our wildest dreams. Don't fuck it up now because we got a huge trade W under our belt.

This is going to come as a shock coming from me... but now is the time for some patience, mijitos.

I agree. Back up big for a couple 2nds and somebody like Branham is ok, not more. KD is a free agent in 26 where we have our contracts lined up to create cap space. That's where you try to get the next star. If we just draft one future All-Star, it's on. We will need good players on rookie deals to be a super team.

[montgod]

from what I know they want to move Bogdanovic and Capela. They are also to be rumored to be interested in Ingram, but Ingram is injured. I don't really see how they could improve tbh

Yeah I'm with you. I don't see anyway they can drastically improve in the short term. The players they have made available will only provide short term or minimal level solutions and more so focused on at least getting something for them then winning more games. Still hoping some team would show some true interest in Trae and they'd move on from him, but they're being stubborn it looks like to stay in contention. If they lose their next two games, I can see them pull the trigger quickly and give in to the rebuild and seriously try to unload some of their assets.

[LeBowen]

Also, have to ask scott (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=150) about his wet dream, Trey Murphy.
How much would you give up for him?

If we get a top5 pick that's not Flagg, would you call NOLA and offer it +Devin for Murphy?

[baseline bum]

spurs should absolutely stand pat. the Fox acquisition is going to really change the on-court dynamics on both ends of the court. a lot of guys who looked awkward or bad might suddenly be elevated. some guys might look worse with this fit. we should give the rest of the year to figure out how well these players gel, and then strike when the time is right in the future.

if we want to send 2-3 seconds to get a solid reserve with more than a year left on his deal, thats something id entertain

I mostly agree, but if the Suns can't get Butler and put KD on the market I wouldn't mind throwing a lowball and seeing if it gets a bite.

[montgod]

I'm actually not sure about Cam Johnson.
Don't get me wrong, a very good starter, but 2 FRPs asking price is too high.
We can't take this season's statline seriously because he's got the ultimate green light on an awful team.
In his 4 peak seasons before this one he was at 13.5ppg on 40% FG.
Good defender, but not great.
No ballhandling skills (we don't need those, but it's about his value).
Just 4rpg despite being 6'8.

For comparison, Champ averages 13ppg on 36% 3pt when he plays more than 25 minutes this season.
I'm not saying Champ is better than Cam, he's not, I'm just saying that the difference between them isn't big enough to warrant Spurs sending FRPs to acquire Cam.

Yup... these were my thoughts as well. He's limited but merely a younger version of his teammate Bogdanovic. Definitely wouldn't give up 2, much less 1, first round pick(s) for him. I think teams who are on the verge should spend for him if they feel he'll get them over the hump but not SA.

[mo7888]

Also, have to ask scott (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=150) about his wet dream, Trey Murphy.
How much would you give up for him?

If we get a top5 pick that's not Flagg, would you call NOLA and offer it +Devin for Murphy?

I would..

[SpursGenius]

I'm actually not sure about Cam Johnson.
Don't get me wrong, a very good starter, but 2 FRPs asking price is too high.
We can't take this season's statline seriously because he's got the ultimate green light on an awful team.
In his 4 peak seasons before this one he was at 13.5ppg on 40% 3pt FG.
Good defender, but not great.
No ballhandling skills (we don't need those, but it's about his value).
Just 4rpg despite being 6'8.

For comparison, Champ averages 13ppg on 36% 3pt when he plays more than 25 minutes this season.
I'm not saying Champ is better than Cam, he's not, I'm just saying that the difference between them isn't big enough to warrant Spurs sending FRPs to acquire Cam.
Good point. I was suggesting one frp. Our 26 or 28 should be in the 20s. Hopefully. What’s your thought on Collins. I’m hoping Vassell and one frp gets that done. Throw in a few srps

[Manuismyhomeboy]

Idea for a solid back up big…Richaun Holmes. Upon watching old Fox highlight, Holmes stood out time and time again. Looks like he’s getting quite a few DNP’s in Washington and he’s on a reasonable contract. Why not kick the tires with a few second round picks and pair him back up with Fox for spot minutes.

[LeBowen]

Good point. I was suggesting one frp. Our 26 or 28 should be in the 20s. Hopefully. What’s your thought on Collins. I’m hoping Vassell and one frp gets that done. Throw in a few srps

I don't think we can win a playoff series this season, so I wouldn't make any moves until we see how everyone plays with Fox, maybe some of them improve.

But yeah, I want Collins or a similar PF/C hybrid for the future.
We went over it many times, John Collins for Cheap, Naz Reid or Aldama in free agency, maybe PJ Washington becomes available, who knows what are those idiots in Dallas thinking.

[SpursGenius]

spurs should absolutely stand pat. the Fox acquisition is going to really change the on-court dynamics on both ends of the court. a lot of guys who looked awkward or bad might suddenly be elevated. some guys might look worse with this fit. we should give the rest of the year to figure out how well these players gel, and then strike when the time is right in the future.

if we want to send 2-3 seconds to get a solid reserve with more than a year left on his deal, thats something id entertain
listen to this man. He knows what he is talking about.

[mo7888]

Durant officially on the block... I wonder what Phoenix is looking for? Players or picks?

[scott]

Also, have to ask scott (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=150) about his wet dream, Trey Murphy.
How much would you give up for him?

If we get a top5 pick that's not Flagg, would you call NOLA and offer it +Devin for Murphy?

In a heartbeat. OMG, I'm getting chicken skin just thinking about it. Fox/Castle/Trey/Barnes/Wemby would be insane. If we could somehow upgrade Barnes into an Aldama, Naz, Jollins type... that's an insane lineup.

Trey is kind of a 95th percentile ideal fit. I'd definitely do it. Trying to fit Harper, Bailey, Edgecomb, Jak, Egor, etc into this team would be tough (but doable) if you still want to prioritize Castle. Tre Johnson might be a little easier at the 3.

I'm going to not think about this scenario anymore because I know it won't happen :lol

[scott]

I don't think we can win a playoff series this season, so I wouldn't make any moves until we see how everyone plays with Fox, maybe some of them improve.

But yeah, I want Collins or a similar PF/C hybrid for the future.
We went over it many times, John Collins for Cheap, Naz Reid or Aldama in free agency, maybe PJ Washington becomes available, who knows what are those idiots in Dallas thinking.

I'm going to especially have my eyes on Devin. Can he adapt to a role that actively demands that he NOT fall into his ISO tendencies? I think he may actually look really good in more of an off-ball role, he should have a lot more open looks. This is a chance for him to transform into more of the 3&D guy he was drafted as. If he can do that, he'll have a place here. If he still tries to play like Second-Option-in-Training, it's going to look really bad and the team will look to move him this offseason.

[LeBowen]

In a heartbeat. OMG, I'm getting chicken skin just thinking about it. Fox/Castle/Trey/Barnes/Wemby would be insane. If we could somehow upgrade Barnes into an Aldama, Naz, Jollins type... that's an insane lineup.

Trey is kind of a 95th percentile ideal fit. I'd definitely do it. Trying to fit Harper, Bailey, Edgecomb, Jak, Egor, etc into this team would be tough (but doable) if you still want to prioritize Castle. Tre Johnson might be a little easier at the 3.

I'm going to not think about this scenario anymore because I know it won't happen :lol

I think it might be doable if NOLA gets a top3 pick and decides having two of Flagg/Bailey/Harper would be worth it.



Durant officially on the block... I wonder what Phoenix is looking for? Players or picks?

I think they're trying to bait the Rockets into giving them a couple of good, young players and their picks back.
Rockets aren't idiots, they're waiting for Booker.

Nothing else makes sense because Suns aren't going anywhere as long as Beal is on the roster.
And he has no intention of leaving.

[mo7888]

I think it might be doable if NOLA gets a top3 pick and decides having two of Flagg/Bailey/Harper would be worth it.




I think they're trying to bait the Rockets into giving them a couple of good, young players and their picks back.
Rockets aren't idiots, they're waiting for Booker.

Nothing else makes sense because Suns aren't going anywhere as long as Beal is on the roster.
And he has no intention of leaving.

You'd think of they were fielding call on Durant that they'd be talking with Houston about Booker and just let Beal lead the tank.

[LeBowen]

You'd think of they were fielding call on Durant that they'd be talking with Houston about Booker and just let Beal lead the tank.

Ishbia will sink with the ship, no way he accepts a tank unless both Booker and KD ask out.
This is about trying to salvage some value to retool around Booker because I don't think KD will be interested in staying there after the next season and then they'd be a franchise with no picks and an awful roster that's still over the cap.
Right now they're projected to be at $221M next season with just 9 players on the roster.

[mo7888]

Ishbia will sink with the ship, no way he accepts a tank unless both Booker and KD ask out.
This is about trying to salvage some value to retool around Booker because I don't think KD will be interested in staying there after the next season and then they'd be a franchise with no picks and an awful roster that's still over the cap.
Right now they're projected to be at $221M next season with just 9 players on the roster.

Sp, realistically, what do you think they can get that will fit that objective? We can obviously do Devin + Keldon, but how do you see competing offers?

[LeBowen]

Sp, realistically, what do you think they can get that will fit that objective? We can obviously do Devin + Keldon, but how do you see competing offers?

For KD?
I think they'd want a young team with players that have legit potential to rejuvenate them. OKC, Rockets, Memphis, Orlando, you get the point.
But I don't think any of those teams would be interested in paying a high price for KD.

Just to be clear, there's no chance Spurs get KD unless he asks out this summer. Then I'd be interested.
We have 2 more years of Wemby on a rookie contract, would be able to give KD the full max for those two seasons and then offer him something more realistic for someone his age.

[thOOdee]

Durant officially on the block... I wonder what Phoenix is looking for? Players or picks?


It's clear the spurs have now started to press on the gas. This is a signal to wemby that they're pushing forward, signaling they know his time is valuable, and winning needs to start now. I would have laughed at the idea of durant a couple of days ago, but now i don't know.

Optically I think it makes the best sense for durant and the spurs. Wemby gets his "robinson" for the next couple of years, and honestly feel a chip in SA gives Durant the best shot at legitimizing his name as a real champ. Plus a homecoming of sorts near austin. I wouldn't give the suns too much, but would be all for it for the right price and if durant was on board.

[J_Paco]

Finding a cheap, serviceable big needs to be the next move.

Not sure how he'd do in an increased role with higher team and player expectations, but Duop Reath on Portland has some intriguing tools.

Either him, someone similar or using the available roster slot to audition big men is likely needed or in the cards.

[mo7888]

For KD?
I think they'd want a young team with players that have legit potential to rejuvenate them. OKC, Rockets, Memphis, Orlando, you get the point.
But I don't think any of those teams would be interested in paying a high price for KD.

Just to be clear, there's no chance Spurs get KD unless he asks out this summer. Then I'd be interested.
We have 2 more years of Wemby on a rookie contract, would be able to give KD the full max for those two seasons and then offer him something more realistic for someone his age.

I just dont see a team giving Phoenix what they want for KD unless they decide to re-boot. That puts them in an awkward situation that almost guarantees he'll want out since they are shopping him. I guess they could trade him for Butler straight up if they wanted to stay in cap hell, but that doesn't really help them.

[baseline bum]

I don't think the Rockets are giving Phoenix their future back without getting Booker in return, so I expect the offers Phoenix gets for Durant to be so piss-poor they just say fuck it and hold onto him. But I would definitely be getting my low ball offer in if I'm BWright just in case they come to their senses and trade Booker to the Rockets.

[BacktoBasics]

I’m not giving assets that will shape our long term future for 2 years of KD. We’re not making moves that speak to trying get one ring in at all costs. We’re trying to build a long term wining team. Which is why I think we were adamant about keeping the ATL picks and ours this year.

[mo7888]

I don't think the Rockets are giving Phoenix their future back without getting Booker in return, so I expect the offers Phoenix gets for Durant to be so piss-poor they just say fuck it and hold onto him. But I would definitely be getting my low ball offer in if I'm BWright just in case they come to their senses and trade Booker to the Rockets.

Yup. I'd have it on rhe table now just incase. Wouldn't expect it, but wouldn’t wanna miss it if it coes around either.

[mo7888]

I’m not giving assets that will shape our long term future for 2 years of KD. We’re not making moves that speak to trying get one ring in at all costs. We’re trying to build a long term wining team. Which is why I think we were adamant about keeping the ATL picks and ours this year.

Nobody is talking about Atlanta picks for KD

[baseline bum]

I’m not giving assets that will shape our long term future for 2 years of KD. We’re not making moves that speak to trying get one ring in at all costs. We’re trying to build a long term wining team. Which is why I think we were adamant about keeping the ATL picks and ours this year.

I'm talking about maybe Vassell and Keldon plus a pick. Definitely not a 25, 26, and maybe not even the 30. I wanna loot the corpse of the Sons.

[thOOdee]

Nobody is talking about Atlanta picks for KD

I don't know about atl picks, but I would definitely do Spurs' 25, 26 picks, and devin. Then figure out your big situation as it comes. That will be the easy part and can easily see a big pulling a fox to try to get here.

Before the fox trade, I was all "team" slow and steady. Now, I think you have to strike while the iron is hot. It wouldn't be too unimaginable for the spurs to pull a mavs and win it all THIS YEAR.

[baseline bum]

I don't know about atl picks, but I would definitely do Spurs' 25, 26 picks, and devin. Then figure out your big situation as it comes. That will be the easy part and can easily see a big pulling a fox to try to get here.

The 26 has an unprotected ATL swap, no way I'm moving that for 3-4 years of KD.

[mo7888]

I don't know about atl picks, but I would definitely do Spurs' 25, 26 picks, and devin. Then figure out your big situation as it comes. That will be the easy part and can easily see a big pulling a fox to try to get here.

I'd give Devin + Keldon + worst of our 25 picks + a couple 2nd's.

[thOOdee]

The 26 has an unprotected ATL swap, no way I'm moving that for 3-4 years of KD.

yuh, I agree. 28 then if it has no strings. But I'd shell two spurs 1sts that are without strings.

[baseline bum]

I'd give Devin + Keldon + worst of our 25 picks + a couple 2nd's.

IDK maybe. Wouldn't be my first offer though.

[thOOdee]

I'd give Devin + Keldon + worst of our 25 picks + a couple 2nd's.

the suns gave away bridges, johnson, FOUR 1sts and a pickswap for durant. I think I agree with what someone mentioned earlier, that suns FO would rather see themselves implode then not get something reasonably back.

[mo7888]

IDK maybe. Wouldn't be my first offer though.

That'd probably be my final

[baseline bum]

the suns gave away bridges, johnson, FOUR 1sts and a pickswap for durant. I think I agree with what someone mentioned earlier, that suns FO would rather see themselves implode then not get something reasonably back.

Then they can implode. 36 year old KD has nowhere close to the value 34 year old KD did.

[mo7888]

the suns gave away bridges, johnson, FOUR 1sts and a pickswap for durant. I think I agree with what someone mentioned earlier, that suns FO would rather see themselves implode then not get something reasonably back.

Then let them impolde... I'm good with that outcome as well...

[baseline bum]

Then let them impolde... I'm good with that outcome as well...

Yeah not on anyone else to pay Ishbia's sunk costs blowing up a 64 win team.

[baseline bum]

34YO KD was still at the tail end of his prime. 36YO KD is firmly in his sunset years.

[scott]

KD is fun to talk about, but I'm not even slightly interested in reality. Fox/KD/Wemby is trying to force a super team that ultimate just results in one of those high potency guys being underutilized and then eventually disgruntled. It is extremely rare for teams to have three 20ppg scorers, and now you're trying to fit three 25ppg scorers into one lineup. Not sure how it would even work.

Fully on team patience (until the offseason) now, other than a backup big.

[Leetonidas]

No way on Durant. Too old, too expensive, can't play defense anymore, injury prone, etc. Let the Suns and their dumbass owner suffer with the terrible decisions theyve made

[Manu20]

What would it take to trade for Jonas Valanciunas?

[baseline bum]

KD is fun to talk about, but I'm not even slightly interested in reality. Fox/KD/Wemby is trying to force a super team that ultimate just results in one of those high potency guys being underutilized and then eventually disgruntled. It is extremely rare for teams to have three 20ppg scorers, and now you're trying to fit three 25ppg scorers into one lineup. Not sure how it would even work.

Fully on team patience (until the offseason) now, other than a backup big.

It's why I'm not willing to pay much for Durant. He'd be mostly a shooter at the PF spacing the floor for Wemby. If Wright can loot him from Phoenix though why not? If Phoenix wants a big return, have fun good luck with that Ishbia considering KD will 100% ask out the second you trade Booker.

[thOOdee]

Yeah not on anyone else to pay Ishbia's sunk costs blowing up a 64 win team.

It wouldn't be about saving the suns, but if it puts the right piece next to wemby. Question is if a winding down durant is worth two spurs' 1sts(w realistically them being in the 20's with a trio of fox, durant, and wemby). Yes, maybe spurs get lucky pick up some solid pieces, but their recent track record outside of castle suggests otherwise. That's a real possibility of rejecting durant for the likes of branham and wesley.

[baseline bum]

It wouldn't be about saving the suns, but if it puts the right piece next to wemby. Question is if a winding down durant is worth two spurs' 1sts(w realistically them being in the 20's with a trio of fox, durant, and wemby). Yes, maybe spurs get lucky pick up some solid pieces, but their recent track record outside of castle suggests otherwise. That's a real possibility of rejecting durant for the likes of branham and wesley.

The right piece was Fox. Durant would be the cherry on top of the sundae if you can get him cheap. Not if you overpay for a guy on the decline with a big contract. Only way I would have given up two firsts was if one of them was the fake first from Charlotte that Sacramento had to swallow to make the trade look better to casual fans.

[BacktoBasics]

What would it take to trade for Jonas Valanciunas?

This would be a lot better target. Protected 1st and salary matched players.

[thOOdee]

If not Durant, I would disagree w some here, and another move should be sought NOW rather than LATER. Spurs don't have time to be drafting and developing players for the next 3-4 years.

[scott]

How about Larry Nance?

I'd be hesitant to even call Atlanta because I don't want to even have a discussion about the picks we already have of theirs. Nance should only fetch SRPs though.

[Mal]

What would it take to trade for Jonas Valanciunas?

Branham/Wesley + couple SRPs ? Maybe lotto protected Spurs` 26 FRP, but I dont how would it work, since 26 is a swap and then 27 is gone. Next available is Spurs` 29 FRP

JV is 10 mil per year, Poetl is 19,5.

[LeBowen]

How about Larry Nance?

I'd be hesitant to even call Atlanta because I don't want to even have a discussion about the picks we already have of theirs. Nance should only fetch SRPs though.

He's on $11M, who would you send out? We kind of don't have any of those average contracts left.
If we're talking players we don't need, it's just $3M or less deals we can send out.

[Mal]

Maybe Daniel Theis from Pels, shouldnt cost more than single SRP. He knows how to set a screen, been there, did something.

[LeBowen]

Maybe Daniel Theis from Pels, shouldnt cost more than single SRP. He knows how to set a screen, been there, did something.

We went over the potential <$5M targets earlier today.
Imo it's down to just Tillman, Sharpe and Eubanks.
Theis has been really bad this season.

[Mal]

Theis has been really bad this season.

Pels are bad. You need big dude for 12 minutes tops, to run pick and roll with Fox, Vassell, Keldon and Sochan, while Wemby sits. He needs to be able to hit wide open three. Eubanks cant do that. Dont know other two.

[thOOdee]

Any insights on Poetle? Haven't paid attention too much to his game recently. Wouldn't mind having him back on the cheap.

[scott]

He's on $11M, who would you send out? We kind of don't have any of those average contracts left.
If we're talking players we don't need, it's just $3M or less deals we can send out.

We could get Nance with Bran and Blake. We'd then have two roster spots to fill, but at least then we'd have a backup C.

Just as a handy reference for everyone, here is what each player allows us to take back (per Spotrac). We are still able to freely aggregate players as we see fit.

Bran - $6.7MM
Blake - $5.5MM
Champ - $6.25MM
Sochan - $11.4MM
CP3 - $18.2MM
Vassell - $36.9MM
Keldon - $26.7MM
Barnes - $25.7MM
Mamu/Bassey/McLaughlin - $4.4MM/each

[Mal]

Any insights on Poetle? Haven't paid attention too much to his game recently. Wouldn't mind having him back on the cheap.

He has two more years at 19,5 mil, and Toronto recently trade 1st for him. It would be FRP back and matching salaries, which means its FRP + Keldon, who does not fit to Toronto.

[Payote75]

I wouldn't give up anything of value for KD I'd only use assets for another sure thing type player 28 and younger. Probably sounds crazy but I'd take BI right now before KD and I'm not a BI fan really.

[vy65]

The right piece was Fox. Durant would be the cherry on top of the sundae if you can get him cheap. Not if you overpay for a guy on the decline with a big contract. Only way I would have given up two firsts was if one of them was the fake first from Charlotte that Sacramento had to swallow to make the trade look better to casual fans.

If we were further along and in solid playoff position, KD is the type of guy who, historically, would get bought out and then sign with us for the vet min. Obviously, we don't live in those days - which means its probably not wise to spend any assets to get him.

[Joseph Kony]

go get a backup C (Valancunias/Nurkic?) and ride out the rest of the season until we know the draft order imo

[scott]

Though I said I'm not (edit: this should say "NOW" not "not") on Team Wait-Until-the-Offseason, a couple of guys I'd still have my ears to the ground on and try to snatch up if IND is making moves are Jarace Walker and Nesmith. Walker might have found himself on the Never Spurs list with his actions in Paris though.

[td4mvp2k]

a big and long 3&D forward is needed

[RC_Drunkford]

KD trade makes no sense. This team hasn’t been in the playoffs once.
You make the next big trade to take you over the top when you think you can win it all, not when you‘re the 12th seed

[TD 21]

If the Suns can't do better for the 1st they're attaching to Nurkic, I'd have said offer Johnson for it, but it doesn't work and they can't aggregate salaries to make it because they're over the second-apron.

He's obviously past his prime and an overpaid backup, who can't finish, but his size/girth, rebounding, passing and theoretical shooting are all elements that could be useful here.

[LeBowen]

If the Suns can't do better for the 1st they're attaching to Nurkic, I'd have said offer Johnson for it, but it doesn't work and they can't aggregate salaries to make it because they're over the second-apron.

He's obviously past his prime and an overpaid backup, who can't finish, but his size/girth, rebounding, passing and theoretical shooting are all elements that could be useful here.

Nurkic is a bigger, but even more slow-footed Zach Collins.
He's also barely above 50% around the rim, completely washed after his injury.

And is due to make $19M next year.
We just got rid of Collins, we really shouldn't push our luck with another garbage big.

[stephen jackson]

we probably done till the summer, cbass playing well

[RC_Drunkford]

Sharpe. He‘s young, restricted FA and puts up solid numbers. He‘s gettable from what I know. Would be a long term play. By far the best option out there under 5 million.

[TD 21]

Nurkic is a bigger, but even more slow-footed Zach Collins.
He's also barely above 50% around the rim, completely washed after his injury.

And is due to make $19M next year.
We just got rid of Collins, we really shouldn't push our luck with another garbage big.

I basically said as much. But (if the trade were legal) he'd plug a hole, balance the roster and return a 1st.

[scott]

Normally I'd be on board with getting a first for taking on Nurk... but the firsts that PHX just acquired (least favorable of UTA/CLE/MIN) aren't good enough for me to be interested. Nurk would need to be behind Bassey on the depth chart. We can just get that by finding a G-Leaguer off the garbage heap.

[jjspur]

We went over the potential <$5M targets earlier today.
Imo it's down to just Tillman, Sharpe and Eubanks.
Theis has been really bad this season.

Talking about the above players, what would be the cost other than a somewhat matching salary ? A player and a second ? Just a second ? I know we have an open spot available. G-leaguer or wait until the buyout market or summer ? Something for the front office to think about.

[LeBowen]

I basically said as much. But (if the trade were legal) he'd plug a hole, balance the roster and return a 1st.

We'd still have a negative contract next season and cap situation wouldn't be as comfortable.

Quick look at salaries for the next season and we're projected to be just ~$10M under the cap after Fox trade. Cap should be at ~$146M.
That's with 11 players on the roster, without CP3.

Fox/Wesley
Castle/Devin/Branham
Keldon/Champ
Barnes/Jeremy
Wemby/Bassey

Lottery picks earn between $4M and $12M in their first season, so we'd probably be right around the cap if we select two players.
Obviously there are exceptions etc, but we can't really get anyone relevant without one of non-Wesley/Branham/Bassey trio going the other way.
And Jeremy will be up for an extension this summer. Can't overpay him without a functioning jumpshot.
I'd offer between 80 and 90/5. Cap rises by another $15M, just enough to cover it.

[TD 21]

We'd still have a negative contract next season and cap situation wouldn't be as comfortable.

Quick look at salaries for the next season and we're projected to be just ~$10M under the cap after Fox trade. Cap should be at ~$146M.
That's with 11 players on the roster, without CP3.

Fox/Wesley
Castle/Devin/Branham
Keldon/Champ
Barnes/Jeremy
Wemby/Bassey

Lottery picks earn between $4M and $12M in their first season, so we'd probably be right around the cap if we select two players.
Obviously there are exceptions etc, but we can't really get anyone relevant without one of non-Wesley/Branham/Bassey trio going the other way.
And Jeremy will be up for an extension this summer. Can't overpay him without a functioning jumpshot.
I'd offer between 80 and 90/5. Cap rises by another $15M, just enough to cover it.

Yeah, but they'd be out from the extra season of Johnson. Sure, Johnson's contract is probably more or less neutral value, but he no longer fits here.

[baseline bum]

Normally I'd be on board with getting a first for taking on Nurk... but the firsts that PHX just acquired (least favorable of UTA/CLE/MIN) aren't good enough for me to be interested. Nurk would need to be behind Bassey on the depth chart. We can just get that by finding a G-Leaguer off the garbage heap.

I'd rather have one the Charlotte seconds back than a first with guaranteed money that's virtually guaranteed to be bottom 5

[The Truth #6]

I think the Spurs are done making moves. It's like they just did a bunch of meth and now they're coming down off that high, crashing into low energy. Unless they want to prove me wrong!

[scott]

Yeah, don't let crushing it on one trade lead you down the path of "man, this roulette game is easy!" and just keep pushing your luck... that's how you become Nico Harrison.

[spurraider21]

i have zero interest in nurkic. i woulda liked giving up second rounders for nick richards though. suns did very well there. only making 5 mil this year and next season as well

if Paul wants to get moved or waived... i'd have some interest in Lonzo as a backup. i like him as a FA target regardless

otherwise i dont think theres much reason to make a trade right now. now is the time to continue evaluating, now with a legitimate dynamic point guard able to take pressure off others.

[tesseractive]

Is there any chance Dereck Lively II is available now that they have AD?

[spurraider21]

Is there any chance Dereck Lively II is available now that they have AD?
Gafford, more likely

[tesseractive]

And I don't imagine Gafford would be happy backing up Wemby. Damn.

[SpursBills]

Though I said I'm not on Team Wait-Until-the-Offseason, a couple of guys I'd still have my ears to the ground on and try to snatch up if IND is making moves are Jarace Walker and Nesmith. Walker might have found himself on the Never Spurs list with his actions in Paris though.

Can you tell me about Jarace Walker? I never really followed him that closely during the draft but I know a lot of people were very high on him. I've seen him brought up as a trade target around here now and then - what's his selling point and what's his value? Like is he worth a non top 4 2025 lottery pick? Something like a mid first rounder in this year's draft? Or were you thinking of getting him with some salary and a few seconds?

[mo7888]

Can you tell me about Jarace Walker? I never really followed him that closely during the draft but I know a lot of people were very high on him. I've seen him brought up as a trade target around here now and then - what's his selling point and what's his value? Like is he worth a non top 4 2025 lottery pick? Something like a mid first rounder in this year's draft? Or were you thinking of getting him with some salary and a few seconds?

I really like Jarace...he plays D and can shoot from deep... there's no way I'd trade a first this year for him though... Sochan for Jarace, sure, but not 1sts in 25

[scott]

Can you tell me about Jarace Walker? I never really followed him that closely during the draft but I know a lot of people were very high on him. I've seen him brought up as a trade target around here now and then - what's his selling point and what's his value? Like is he worth a non top 4 2025 lottery pick? Something like a mid first rounder in this year's draft? Or were you thinking of getting him with some salary and a few seconds?

My thoughts very much echo Mo's above me. Big body, plays good d, has the kind of body that in theory should be a good rebounder, but most importantly can shoot.

Also like Mo, I'd look at it more as a Sochan-for-Walker swap, I wouldn't give up any picks, especially not at this juncture. I wouldn't even necessarily do a Sochan for Walker swap, maybe more like a deal where IND is getting Cam Johnson and we could route Keldon or Sochan to BKN and get Walker if they didn't want him (though I'm not sure why BKN would do this unless we were attaching picks, which I wouldn't do).

I like Nesmith more than Walker, personally.

[Obstructed_View]

Surely the Spurs have called Dallas. Blake Wesley plays better defense than Kyrie, and defense wins championships.

[Bill_Brasky]

I wouldn't mind taking Gafford off their hands, as long as they're doing the whole ruining their franchise bit.

[$pursDynasty]

a big and long 3&D forward is needed
Herb Jones, the best defender in the league on a team primed to be sellers.

[BatManu20]

Been saying KD is my #1 target on this team all year. Desperately need his size and scoring/shooting on the wing. Make it happen PATFO!

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[murpjf88]

Been saying KD is my #1 target on this team all year. Desperately need his size and scoring/shooting on the wing. Make it happen PATFO!

886586766380896751

Yeah, give up more draft capital for a 36 year old.

[BatManu20]

Yeah, give up more draft capital for a 36 year old.

Obv I'm not giving up the farm for him, but you act like KD isn't still averaging 27/6/4/1 on 53/41/83 shooting splits. This dude is a legitimate All-Star caliber player at 36. Would instantly take this team to another level.

[BatManu20]

KD makes a ton of sense for HOU too if they're willing to trade some of their younger players + picks in a win-now move.

[murpjf88]

Obv I'm not giving up the farm for him, but you act like KD isn't still averaging 27/6/4/1 on 53/41/83 shooting splits. This dude is a legitimate All-Star caliber player at 36. Would instantly take this team to another level.

Well, he hasn't taken Phoenix to another level unless you're impressed with a 25-23 record and he's playing with two outstanding scorers in Beal and Booker. His defensive rating is 116, the worst of his career.

[BatManu20]

Well, he hasn't taken Phoenix to another level unless you're impressed with a 25-23 record and he's playing with two outstanding scorers in Beal and Booker. His defensive rating is 116, the worst of his career.

Yea his defense has definitely regressed this year with his age and he's not a #1 option anymore like he's being asked/paid to be in PHX. That entire roster is terrible defensively though and they have no rim protection at all. The Booker/Beal/KD experiment has been an objective failure and they really need to blow it up to recoup some of that draft capital they traded to acquire all those guys.

But KD as a #2 or #3 beside Wemby and Fox would be really solid for a couple more years imo, at least offensively, and would help bridge the gap to help guys like Devin and Jeremy develop . Would all depend on the asking price though cause I'm definitely not giving up the ATL picks to make it happen, and they're likely not trading KD without those pick(s) attached. PHX can likely find a more desperate team in win-now mode like HOU to give up more assets unless they're shopping Booker too, in which case I think HOU would be more interested in him.

[pad300]

As a short term hole filler (who we might be interested in longer term), Chris Boucher (currently with TOR). He's an expiring, and at 32 doesn't feature in their future plans. He's on $10.8M; cap wise, we could trade Branham +a vet min (maybe sign someone; we can't use McLaughlin as he can't be aggregated) for him. Could get it done for a second or two....

[Atl Spur]

We need more vets; our bbiq is very low! Dudes are nutting the hell up with any applied ball pressure!

[spurraider21]

john collins has been so good this year. wish we had bought low when he coulda been had for SRPs

[objective]

Just say NO to Nurkic. He was a cancer in the best of times, and now that he's washed he's even worse.

John Collins would be very useful. Barnes and Sochan or Keldon and Sochan work with the money. Don't know that Utah cares about those guys or what else would be needed.

[KobesAchilles]

Gimme KD and we ring this year tbh. KJ+ Vassell and 2 FRPs and the Dallas swap. Shit with what star players are going for nowadays I think m maybe one FRP :lol

Tbh OKC should trade for him and ring this year too. But they won’t and will flame out in the playoffs again bc Shay isn’t meant for the playoffs

[Pauleta14]

I'm not expecting much deals done before the last day when sellers will have to lower their demands.

I can see a crazy Thursday coming

[100%duncan]

How reliable is Evan Townsend, he just tweeted something that we're going for Cam

[mystargtr34]

Netspress mentioned it on Insta
https://www.instagram.com/p/DFouIxpMZCV/?igsh=MWdleHRzZjM0Z25mNA==

Also Sam Vecenie mentioned it about a week ago.

Most reports are saying Keldon + swap 25 worst of SAS/ATL with BKN via MIL + SAS 29 FRP.

I wonder if the Nets would do Vassell + swapping the worst of SAS/ATL ‘25 with the Nets ‘25 via Bucks (likely to be around pick 20) + multiple seconds. They would have to be stupid and not realise Vassell is a negative asset which I think they’re smarter than that.

[onechance87]

Netspress mentioned it on Insta
https://www.instagram.com/p/DFouIxpMZCV/?igsh=MWdleHRzZjM0Z25mNA==

Also Sam Vecenie mentioned it about a week ago.

Most reports are saying Keldon + swap 25 worst of SAS/ATL with BKN via MIL + SAS 29 FRP.

I wonder if the Nets would do Vassell + swapping the worst of SAS/ATL ‘25 with the Nets ‘25 via Bucks (likely to be around pick 20) + multiple seconds. They would have to be stupid and not realise Vassell is a negative asset which I think they’re smarter than that.

i hope they do it...Move on from this current shit roster.Would send a message imo,That they aint good enough and we want
to win and not wait for anybody.Either step up or gtfo.

[cutewizard]

https://youtu.be/ea_hCfmhfdc?si=Vm-9-5sp9gEtdvQB

[tbdog]

Gimme KD and we ring this year tbh. KJ+ Vassell and 2 FRPs and the Dallas swap. Shit with what star players are going for nowadays I think m maybe one FRP :lol

Tbh OKC should trade for him and ring this year too. But they won’t and will flame out in the playoffs again bc Shay isn’t meant for the playoffs

We are not going to win with Durant. We are the 12th seed currently. We have no backup big. We have no chemistry with Fox and in this Durant scenario.

[onechance87]

We are not going to win with Durant. We are the 12th seed currently. We have no backup big. We have no chemistry with Fox and in this Durant scenario.

kings are dealing with the same problems we have.Yet they are shooting for the playoffs.Fox choose us cause he felt more confidense
with us trying to win.Would make us look bad imo.Kings also good a new look piece and not making excuses for trying to win.

[tbdog]

kings are dealing with the same problems we have.Yet they are shooting for the playoffs.Fox choose us cause he felt more confidense
with us trying to win.Would make us look bad imo.Kings also good a new look piece and not making excuses for trying to win.

Because Kings making the playoffs as Sabonis as your best player is kinda their limit. Winning a series is their real goal. Their timeline is really now, and their ceiling is low.

[tbdog]

Any on the edges trade we can look into?

[Bruno]

Cam Johnson is a good role player, nothing more. Spurs shouldn't give up quality assets to get him like first round picks or Vassell. Keldon and second round picks should be Spurs best offer. If Nets don't like it, they can keep him.
Nets had a really high asking price for DFS and Royce O'Neale and, at the end, they got second round picks for them.

[LeBowen]

Cam Johnson is a good role player, nothing more. Spurs shouldn't give up quality assets to get him like first round picks or Vassell. Keldon and second round picks should be Spurs best offer. If Nets don't like it, they can keep him.
Nets had a really high asking price for DFS and Royce O'Neale and, at the end, they got second round picks for them.

My best offer would be something like Devin, worse of '25 ATL/SAS, SRPs for Cam and Sharpe.

[Bruno]

My best offer would be something like Devin, worse of '25 ATL/SAS, SRPs for Cam and Sharpe.

No way I would do that.

Vassell was really good last year. He is having a bad season but the Fox trade should help him by giving him more open catch and shoot opportunities. I wouldn't even trade him straight up for Cam Johnson.
Sharpe is meh. He might not even be better than Bassey.

[LeBowen]

No way I would do that.

Vassell was really good last year. He is having a bad season but the Fox trade should help him by giving him more open catch and shoot opportunities. I wouldn't even trade him straight up for Cam Johnson.
Sharpe is meh. He might not even be better than Bassey.

I see Devin as a negative contract at his point, not a single advanced metric is going in his favor.
I'm not even talking about offense, he's just atrocious on defense and doesn't fit the starting lineup.

I don't rate Cam highly, but he's way better than Devin.

[CGD]

^ I wanna see Dev as the third banana, which is the role we all thought suited him best. He’s definitely on the clock though, especially with two draft picks coming in hungry to take his spot.

[RC_Drunkford]

I see Devin as a negative contract at his point, not a single advanced metric is going in his favor.
I'm not even talking about offense, he's just atrocious on defense and doesn't fit the starting lineup.

I don't rate Cam highly, but he's way better than Devin.

Cam Johnson is not exactly a good defender

[LeBowen]

Cam Johnson is not exactly a good defender

Devin is one of the worst defenders in the league in his position and doesn't fit the starting lineup anymore.
Instead of having a size advantage with Castle at SG, we give it all back by playing Devin.

If it was up to me, I'd start Champ, but it won't happen.
Fox/Castle/Champ/Barnes/Wemby should be our best lineup on paper if we're talking size and fit.
CP3 is good, but Fox is obviously a way better player now, we don't really need CP3 if he's not the main ballhandler.

[BacktoBasics]

I see Devin as a negative contract at his point, not a single advanced metric is going in his favor.
I'm not even talking about offense, he's just atrocious on defense and doesn't fit the starting lineup.

I don't rate Cam highly, but he's way better than Devin.

I agree with this. However it will be interesting to revisit that notion once this team has Fox. Devin’s never played with legit penetrator with speed.

[emanueldavidginobili]

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[ginobilized]

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Cam?!?!

Cam Johnson?
Cam Thomas?
Cam Payne?
Toumani Camara?
An extra camera to chart how many times Wermby's teammates miss him rolling to the hoop?

[Joseph Kony]

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who tf is this guy? another Eric Zhang?

[Kevin]

I'd offer Sochan and whoever the Nets prefer between Barnes/KJ for Cam Johnson.

Sochan/Fox/Castle don't fit. One of them has to go and it ain't Fox or Castle.

Johnson would be the perfect fit next to Wemby and Fox. He's a career 39% three point shooter. He'd feast on open looks as the third option behind Fox and Wemby. Floor spacing PF.

Cam Johnson is a Great Value Lauri who should cost less.

Lauri stats over the past three years: 23/7 with 47/38/88 shooting splits

Cams stats over the past three years: 16/4 with 44/39/84 shooting splits

[DPG21920]

Cam Johnson is a good role player, nothing more. Spurs shouldn't give up quality assets to get him like first round picks or Vassell. Keldon and second round picks should be Spurs best offer. If Nets don't like it, they can keep him.
Nets had a really high asking price for DFS and Royce O'Neale and, at the end, they got second round picks for them.

Are you worried at all about Vassell? He’s regressed this season to me. Theres been moments where hes doing the “other” things besides scoring (passing, defense etc.) that are encouraging but overall, it’s been a rough season. Maybe hes just not in rhythm after starting season injured but its been disappointing so far after a very solid season last season

[LeBowen]

Are you worried at all about Vassell? He’s regressed this season to me. Theres been moments where hes doing the “other” things besides scoring (passing, defense etc.) that are encouraging but overall, it’s been a rough season. Maybe hes just not in rhythm after starting season injured but its been disappointing so far after a very solid season last season

Are you sure it's regression and not just him being easy to replace now that the team is doing better?
I always go back to those final couple of weeks of last season when Devin, Keldon and Jeremy got shut down.
We played .500 ball with Wesley, Branham and Mamu in their place.

This season Champ averages 13ppg on 37% from 3pt as a starter.
Yeah, he can't dribble, but it's not like anything good comes from Devin's dribbling.
And Champ is a way better defender, even though he's barely average.

[Spurminator]

I wouldn't trade any player right now (unless it's CP3 per a pre-arranged agreement when he signed). There are going to be growing pains when Fox arrives, it's not a given that they're going to start playing elite basketball. This is an opportunity to see how other players mesh with the Wemby-Fox core and evaluate for next year and beyond.

[TD 21]

Johnson is going on 29, injury prone and would be yet another string bean on quite possibly the weakest/least physically imposing roster in the league.

Nice player, but not interested in paying the exorbitant cost to exacerbate them getting emasculated by physical team like the Rockets and Grizzlies, among others.

[RC_Drunkford]

Brian Wright, make it happen:stirpot:

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[baseline bum]

I'd do Vassell for Cam Johnson in a second. The stats scott posted about Vassell dragging every other member of the Spurs rotation down in every two man lineup was pretty damning. Spurs would be better off not only starting Castle in Vassell's spot, but even Champagnie there. I want Vassell gone while he has positive trade value.

[Seventyniner]

Cam?!?!

Cam Johnson?
Cam Thomas?
Cam Payne?
Toumani Camara?
An extra camera to chart how many times Wermby's teammates miss him rolling to the hoop?

Get them all. Rename the team to OnlyCams with the obvious sponsorship tie-in.

[RC_Drunkford]

Another big we could go after is the Suns Mason Plumlee. You know Pop thought he was better than Bam Adebayo, so I assume he is at the top of his wishlist :lol

He's on a 3.3 million expiring and you know the Suns would do anything for some picks, even 2nd rounders.

[RC_Drunkford]

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[montgod]

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No idea how they would think the Wizards are the favorite for Durant unless they think he's going to do a "coming home" tour for the last few years of his career. Not gonna happen. Def see the Warriors overpaying to get him back though if Suns truly are selling.

[Joseph Kony]

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Wtf? :lmao why??

[montgod]

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https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/8839868


:hat

[r0drig0lac]

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KD would probably retire if traded to Wizards

[Dejounte]

Dallas has traded Kyrie Irving to the Sixers for Caleb Martin

https://x.com/shamscharania/status/1886837853868712006?s=46

[NASpurs]

Dallas has traded Kyrie Irving to the Sixers for Caleb Martin

https://x.com/shamscharania/status/1886837853868712006?s=46

What :lol

[Dverde]

Mavs going Leroy Jenkins for this post season :lol

[Leetonidas]

Personally would rather have Grimes than Martin tbh. Dallas GM is clearly not very smart

[LeBowen]

Personally would rather have Grimes than Martin tbh. Dallas GM is clearly not very smart

The only reasoning would be that Grimes is a RFA and Martin is on a team-friendly deal, but it's a clear downgrade on the court.
Mavs trying to build the worst offensive roster in the league. We should offer them Jeremy for PJ Washington.

[dbestpro]

What would it take to trade for Jonas Valanciunas?
2 second round picks, Branham, Wesley and McLaughlin

[Dverde]

Personally would rather have Grimes than Martin tbh. Dallas GM is clearly not very smart

The guy who the Lakers GM got to take a lesser deal due to future injury concerns with Luka but trading you Mr. Glass :lol

[Bruno]

Are you worried at all about Vassell? He’s regressed this season to me. Theres been moments where hes doing the “other” things besides scoring (passing, defense etc.) that are encouraging but overall, it’s been a rough season. Maybe hes just not in rhythm after starting season injured but its been disappointing so far after a very solid season last season

Yes, Vassell hasn't developed as expected.

A little stat about Vassell:
When he is shooting while having the ball for less than 2 seconds, his EFG% is 58%
When it's more than 2 seconds, it's 45%.
The frequency split between both scenarios is 50/50.

I think it's time for Spurs to give up on the idea to make Vassell a complete and versatile offensive player. He should be pigeonholed into what he is the most efficient and play more off the ball. The good news is that this role will fit really well with Fox and Castle being more on the ball players.

[Seventyniner]

I wonder if the KD-to-Wizards thing is built around the Wizards taking both KD and Beal in some multi-team trade in return for draft capital, then rerouting KD to get even more draft capital. That opens the door to get Jimmy to the Suns.

[LeBowen]

I wonder if the KD-to-Wizards thing is built around the Wizards taking both KD and Beal in some multi-team trade in return for draft capital, then rerouting KD to get even more draft capital. That opens the door to get Jimmy to the Suns.

I think it's just because he's from DC.


Since Mavs are on a full retard roll, offer them Devin+FRP for Klay+PJ Washington.
Who knows, they might just be dumb enough.
Or even Devin+Jeremy instead of a FRP.

[Arguendo]

When he is shooting while having the ball for less than 2 seconds, his EFG% is 58%
When it's more than 2 seconds, it's 45%.
The frequency split between both scenarios is 50/50.
Wow, night and day, but not surprising. I'd like to see him benched every time he pulls the dribble, dribble, dribble game if any of Wemby/Fox/CP3/Castle are on the court. Think that's the only way he can learn.
Definitely the biggest disappointment of the season, regression across the board as a scorer.

[Arguendo]

I wonder if the KD-to-Wizards thing is built around the Wizards taking both KD and Beal in some multi-team trade in return for draft capital, then rerouting KD to get even more draft capital. That opens the door to get Jimmy to the Suns.
I was wondering how it could even make sense, this would be a good scenario and give Beal and Wiz a homecoming and the opportunity to recoup some value as a tank commander in 25' and 26', and be a massive expiring in 27' maybe big counting stats.
You've got me rooting for this, Beal to Wiz takes touches from Sarr and boosts Castle's ROY bid.

[CGD]

We basically need Dev to become the upgrade at the Champaigne position.

[Ice009]

I wonder if the KD-to-Wizards thing is built around the Wizards taking both KD and Beal in some multi-team trade in return for draft capital, then rerouting KD to get even more draft capital. That opens the door to get Jimmy to the Suns.

Why does Jimmy want to go to the Suns? I thought it was to play with KD? If not KD, is it Devin Booker that he wants to play with?

[LeBowen]

Why does Jimmy want to go to the Suns? I thought it was to play with KD? If not KD, is it Devin Booker that he wants to play with?

Suns are the only team dumb enough to offer him a 3 year max, noone else is giving 36 year old Jimmy that kind of money.
He's kind of fucked now because Beal obviously won't waive his NTC clause and there's no way Heat would even want him.
Jimmy can opt out in the summer and become a free agent, but noone is giving him anywhere near 150/3 he'd get from the Suns.

[RC_Drunkford]

Yes, Vassell hasn't developed as expected.

A little stat about Vassell:
When he is shooting while having the ball for less than 2 seconds, his EFG% is 58%
When it's more than 2 seconds, it's 45%.
The frequency split between both scenarios is 50/50.

I think it's time for Spurs to give up on the idea to make Vassell a complete and versatile offensive player. He should be pigeonholed into what he is the most efficient and play more off the ball. The good news is that this role will fit really well with Fox and Castle being more on the ball players.

I think Devin on the ball was more of a development thing, not the overall plan. I agree that he should be more of an offball guard.

[Seventyniner]

Why does Jimmy want to go to the Suns? I thought it was to play with KD? If not KD, is it Devin Booker that he wants to play with?

Jimmy wants to get paid. Winning would be a nice bonus.

Losing KD is the only way to get off of Beal's contract while keeping Booker.

I don't think Ishbia's ego will allow him to tear things down any sooner than is absolutely necessary. I was just trying to come up with a possible reason that KD would get traded to the Wizards.

[DPG21920]

Yes, Vassell hasn't developed as expected.

A little stat about Vassell:
When he is shooting while having the ball for less than 2 seconds, his EFG% is 58%
When it's more than 2 seconds, it's 45%.
The frequency split between both scenarios is 50/50.

I think it's time for Spurs to give up on the idea to make Vassell a complete and versatile offensive player. He should be pigeonholed into what he is the most efficient and play more off the ball. The good news is that this role will fit really well with Fox and Castle being more on the ball players.

Definitely - should be ideal. It’s sink or swim time for him now with Fox/Wemby here. Theres going to be more changes and if guys are not playing well they will find themselves off the team

[scott]

Yes, Vassell hasn't developed as expected.

A little stat about Vassell:
When he is shooting while having the ball for less than 2 seconds, his EFG% is 58%
When it's more than 2 seconds, it's 45%.
The frequency split between both scenarios is 50/50.

I think it's time for Spurs to give up on the idea to make Vassell a complete and versatile offensive player. He should be pigeonholed into what he is the most efficient and play more off the ball. The good news is that this role will fit really well with Fox and Castle being more on the ball players.

I'm glad someone else has noticed. I've been posting for awhile that Devin mostly gets into trouble when goes into KobeISO mode. There is really no reason for him to take more than 3 dribbles on most occasions. If he can become an off-ball guard, who makes quick decisive pass-or-shoot decisions, he might have a chance to turn his trajectory around. But right now, for the archetype he's trying to be, I'd rather have Cam Thomas than him (and that's not meant to be a compliment to Cam Thomas)

[TD 21]

It's crazy how many guys who, about 1.5 years ago, were around Vassell's level, but were thought to be less desirable for one reason or another, that have left him in the dust. Reaves, Herro, Murphy III, immediately spring to mind.

The failure of this season that has been obscured by Wembanyama's rise, Castle's intrigue and Paul's/Barnes' steadiness, is the lack of development otherwise. The rest have stagnated or regressed.


Jimmy wants to get paid. Winning would be a nice bonus.

Losing KD is the only way to get off of Beal's contract while keeping Booker.

I don't think Ishbia's ego will allow him to tear things down any sooner than is absolutely necessary. I was just trying to come up with a possible reason that KD would get traded to the Wizards.

I could say the same for the Warriors. If we presume, since it's usually how it works with players of his magnitude, that the Suns would only trade him to a destination he'd want, why would he leave one dead end situation for another, only where the co-star is 8 years older than his current one and he has a sordid history.

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[RC_Drunkford]

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that means either CP3 or Keldon are on the move. We got 4 PGs on the roster currently. Word is Keldon was actually the one going out in the Fox trade, but it got changed up cause Dejounte tore his ACL and NOLA didn’t want to do the deal anymore.

[LeBowen]

Herb is out for the season, doesn't make sense to trade for him now.

[scott]

Herb is out for the season, doesn't make sense to trade for him now.

While I'd love to get someone who can help us with the play-in push, I can see how it could make sense to get Herb now if we're still keeping our 25 picks. You lock him up, give Fox just enough run to see what our guys look like with him, then shut him down for the rest of the season so he can have the surgery.

You have Fox and Herb locked in and two lotto picks. That would be pretty solid work.