Spurs trade ideas

[mo7888]

We’ve got a Spurs trade rumors thread, but I thought I’d start one for ideas we might have and not necessarily just commenting on things that are already rumored in the press.

It’s 39 degrees and raining here and I’m pretty bored. I’m more into the draft than trades but, I’m taking a break today from looking at game film and thought I’d spitball through a couple types of trades that might make sense between now and the deadline. Looking at this deadline we don’t really want to do anything to lower our draft pick, but I do think we ‘should’ want to provide some balance just to help Wembanyama out a little bit and provide some structure. So, here’s a thought or two in it’s infancy.

#1- Giving them back their pick

To the Hornets- McDermott, Graham, Malaki, and the Cha 1st

To the Spurs- NSJ + Hayward

The thought here is that GH provides balance in the SL that we currently don’t have and he’s expiring. I think he would go a long way towards calming things down and getting players in a better position to simply play the game than what we’re doing now. NSJ is hitting 54% from 3 and if you’ve read anything I wrote about the draft you know I like his potential a lot. He also adds some athleticism to the roster. Why does Charolotte do this? Well, they don’t if a contender makes them a stronger offer for GH, but it’s going to be challenging for some teams to match salaries and our offer is better for them than standing pat. They would probably like to control their pick so it frees up future picks by removing the hold as well.

#2- Lakers, Bulls, Spurs

To the Bulls-McDermott, Graham, Prince, Christie 2024 & 2027 LA 2nds plus the Spurs Cha & Chi picks
To the Lakers- LaVine
To the Spurs- Russell & Reaves

This trade must happen after the 15th of this month. The thought here really comes down to LA getting desperate enough to do something before the deadline. We know the Bulls really want to move LaVine and there’s no market for him other than LA. The Bulls do this trade all day long. The Spurs though, why would we do this trade? Well, Russell isn’t a favorite of mine, but his contract makes this much easier to stomach. He provides stability in the SL and can space the floor. His vision and passing would make things easier on VW in the short term. Reaves is somebody we considered offering a contract this summer, so there’s obviously interest there. We’d be looking at a lineup of:

Russell, Tre, Wesley
Vassel, Reaves, Branham
Champ, KJ
Sochan, Cedi, Mamu, Sidy
Wembanyama, Collins, Barlow

That’s a much better and balanced lineup than we are trotting out there now and Reaves fits in a longer-term view. This gives us plenty of options going into the summer as well. Does LA get desperate enough to get Lavine? Probably not, but it’s not out of the question with a 39-year-old Lebron if they can make a splash anywhere else. I don’t think they really want to include any future 1st’s, so it’ll be hard for them to get a bigger name.

Feel free to poke holes in these or improve on them.. Like I said, trades aren’t my thing as much as the draft is and these thoughts are just in their infancy…

[scott]

Would love the CHA deal if we were confident we could resign GH for something like 2/25. I think he'd fill an immediate hole at the starting SF and give us some vet presence. NSJ gives us another roll of the dice at a PG.

I do wonder if Hayward makes us "too good" however (in the vein of your comment of not making any move that lowers our draft pick)

[spurraider21]

my admiration for Reaves is known

no shot lakers move him in a deal like this imo. i think they view him as nearly untouchable and i dont think lavine is the type of player they would acquiesce and move him for

[mo7888]

Would love the CHA deal if we were confident we could resign GH for something like 2/25. I think he'd fill an immediate hole at the starting SF and give us some vet presence. NSJ gives us another roll of the dice at a PG.

I do wonder if Hayward makes us "too good" however (in the vein of your comment of not making any move that lowers our draft pick)

I don't think Hayward has enough left to really 'lift' a team at this point. He's just solid. On NSJ, I believe in that kid. He's got the tool kit, he just needs the right environment. He's has more upside and downside than Black imo..

[mo7888]

my admiration for Reaves is known

no shot lakers move him in a deal like this imo. i think they view him as nearly untouchable and i dont think lavine is the type of player they would acquiesce and move him for

I've seen several media reports suggesting that he's not untouchable at this point, but as i said, it'll come down to the getting desperate enough to go get Lavine..

[MultiTroll]

Moses Moody from the Golden Phaggots? Price is right. Age is great matchup 21. I like his hustle too.
Shooting the rock at 48/35.

Could Pop schmooze his wine drinking boifriend for a deal?
Or is Pop always the bottom in that relationship?

[mo7888]

Moses Moody from the Golden Phaggots? Price is right. Age is great matchup 21. I like his hustle too.
Shooting the rock at 48/35.

Could Pop schmooze his wine drinking boifriend for a deal?
Or is Pop always the bottom in that relationship?

He's probably a bottom, but Moody can be gotten if we want him for sure.

[MultiTroll]

He's probably a bottom, but Moody can be gotten if we want him for sure.
I don't see a downside at this point.
Triple that if they will take McForbesbot.

[baseline bum]

Can't really see how the Hornets trade Hayward and Smith for two seconds and crap and no way the Lakers would be that desperate for Lavine.

[baseline bum]

I don't think Hayward has enough left to really 'lift' a team at this point. He's just solid. On NSJ, I believe in that kid. He's got the tool kit, he just needs the right environment. He's has more upside and downside than Black imo..

Was really hoping to see the Spurs trade up and take a flier on Smith when he dropped into the mid 20s. I would have offered someone the Charlotte pick for him.

[mo7888]

Can't really see how the Hornets trade Hayward and Smith for two seconds and crap and no way the Lakers would be that desperate for Lavine.

The hayward trade was for their own 1st back. Now, sure it could be two 2nds in a couple years but their future first is tied up and doesn't have the flexibility to be traded until they convey. This gives them control of their pick and the flexibility that goes with it. As for the Lakers, I would trade for Lavine if i were them, but alot of press people think they will and a few Hollywood execs I work with think they're considering him pretty strongly.

[mo7888]

Was really hoping to see the Spurs trade up and take a flier on Smith when he dropped into the mid 20s. I would have offered someone the Charlotte pick for him.

Yup... I still would offer it...

[Mr. Body]

The Charlotte pick is worth two seconds and an unlikely shot at a mid round FRP. It's not valueless but it doesn't have great value.

[mo7888]

The Charlotte pick is worth two seconds and an unlikely shot at a mid round FRP. It's not valueless but it doesn't have great value.

Yup... probably has more value to Charlotte than most teams because it lifts restrictions off of next years 1st if they have it back..

[TD 21]

Since it's doubtful the Hornets would care that much about the likely 2 2nds to add some salary for next season, they'd have to value Branham significantly more than Smith Jr. (who already looks better) for that trade to be appealing to them.

The Lakers won't so much as consider Reaves without Caruso and they're already thin on the perimeter, so 3.5 rotational players for 1 is untenable.

Even though the LaVine trade will swing more toward salary dump than assets on the pendulum, the Bulls still need more than that to sell to ownership/fans.

Russell is the virtual antithesis of a Spur and Reaves would cost more than the Bulls pick.

[heyheymymy]

Thanks for getting some interesting discussion going OP

Wondering if Spurs could get involved in facilitating a Kuminga trade with some considerations or incentives back to them for their trouble.

1 month from the trade deadline. Time to start heating up the espn trade machine lol

[mudd]

Scary how our stupid front office is in charge of doing the trading. Can they get it wright, well wrong...

[heyheymymy]

Actually looking at the salary cap table I'm reminded that SA met the cap and hover right around there so any facilitation will have to include salary going out as well.

McDermott and Graham represent over 24MM of expiring money and are both players seemingly not in Spurs long-term plans

[mo7888]

Thanks for getting some interesting discussion going OP

Wondering if Spurs could get involved in facilitating a Kuminga trade with some considerations or incentives back to them for their trouble.

1 month from the trade deadline. Time to start heating up the espn trade machine lol

It's my pleasure. Who do you think would be interested in Kuminga?

[rjv]

hayward is always hurt and is too old for this roster. pass.

[baseline bum]

It's my pleasure. Who do you think would be interested in Kuminga?

Hopefully not the Spurs since dude shoots 27% from the three despite all the gravity Curry creates to get him open shots.

[heyheymymy]

Yeah lol I just don't really see any likely destination for Kuminga

I wonder if MEM might like it if they catch fire with the return of Ja and see a little more depth as necessary to push for postseason. Especially since Brandon Clarke is out for the season though Kuminga is an inch shorter. Plus general big depth with Adam's also out for the season.

Grizz also kinda like developing potential diamonds in the rough although I'm not sure they would like the fit with Kuminga specifically nor have many good surplus assets to trade with so it may not be worth their while.

[mo7888]

hayward is always hurt and is too old for this roster. pass.

He's just a guy to provide stability until the end of tbe season then his contract expires...not a long-term piece

[mo7888]

Hopefully not the Spurs since dude shoots 27% from the three despite all the gravity Curry creates to get him open shots.

Yep... not a guy we should want...there's athleticism there, but not much bbiq or work ethic

[baseline bum]

hayward is always hurt and is too old for this roster. pass.

I want some affordable vets who know how to play on this team. Spurs don't have Presti building them a ridiculous war chest of young guys. After Victor, Devin, Keldon, and Tre it's pretty much crap all the way down.

[mo7888]

Yeah lol I just don't really see any likely destination for Kuminga

I wonder if MEM might like it if they catch fire with the return of Ja and see a little more depth as necessary to push for postseason. Especially since Brandon Clarke is out for the season though Kuminga is an inch shorter. Plus general big depth with Adam's also out for the season.

Grizz also kinda like developing potential diamonds in the rough although I'm not sure they would like the fit with Kuminga specifically nor have many good surplus assets to trade with so it may not be worth their while.

Not a bad thought... it have to be a team that want to play fast and run... I could see somebody trying to pair him with Ja or maybe Scoot. Of ot were Portland it's probably part of a bigger deal involving Grant and/or Brogdon going somewhere

[baseline bum]

Yep... not a guy we should want...there's athleticism there, but not much bbiq or work ethic

I'd have bought low on him if we still had Chip. If he could teach Kawhi a jumpshot he could teach anyone. But without him that jumper looks hopeless.

[baseline bum]

He's just a guy to provide stability until the end of tbe season then his contract expires...not a long-term piece

I wouldn't mind signing him this summer for a couple of years to space the floor and give some decent minutes as well as to be a veteran presence to challenge our draft picks, and then see where that goes. I just don't want all young guys. That's what you want when you don't have a real building block, you tank to find one or hope against hope one of your kids breaks out. But now with a franchise guy in tow I hate seeing the Spurs still act like they're Dave Kingman stepping to the plate instead of trying to be Ricky Henderson.

[Mr. Body]

I want some affordable vets who know how to play on this team. Spurs don't have Presti building them a ridiculous war chest of young guys. After Victor, Devin, Keldon, and Tre it's pretty much crap all the way down.

Thunder had lottery picks out the ass because they were ass for a long time. They got lucky with SGA and used the #2 pick and got Giddey and Williams pretty well. The Spurs tanked for literally one year, otherwise they have two late lottery picks on the roster and that's it.

[Splits]

Bonner/Blair/2 SRP/Forbes for SGA

[mo7888]

I wouldn't mind signing him this summer for a couple of years to space the floor and give some decent minutes as well as to be a veteran presence to challenge our draft picks, and then see where that goes. I just don't want all young guys. That's what you want when you don't have a real building block, you tank to find one or hope against hope one of your kids breaks out. But now with a franchise guy in tow I hate seeing the Spurs still act like they're Dave Kingman stepping to the plate instead of trying to be Ricky Henderson.

He's definitely going to need veys, but I doubt Hayward can be signed in the offseason. I figure he'll ring chase...but we will need a few vets... I hope at least one is a starting level guy.

[cd98]

Ask Rubio to come out of retirement. He would be a good vet for this team.

[CGD]

I like OPs idea of playing facilitator in a Bulls-Laker trade for Lavine. I’d rather get the distant Laker FRP than Reeves though, plus I think LAL wants to keep Reeves to go long with the other 3.

[BacktoBasics]

Ask Rubio to come out of retirement. He would be a good vet for this team.

He has mental health and depression issues. He specifically stepped away because he’s headed back home.

[mo7888]

I like OPs idea of playing facilitator in a Bulls-Laker trade for Lavine. I’d rather get the distant Laker FRP than Reeves though, plus I think LAL wants to keep Reeves to go long with the other 3.

I'm definitely with you there. It's just that I'm hearing from some people out there that they may keep the pick instead of Reaves, but if they would rather give the pick it probably takes us out because the Bulls would want it I'd guess. LA also has to consider matching salary to get it done.

[exstatic]

I like OPs idea of playing facilitator in a Bulls-Laker trade for Lavine. I’d rather get the distant Laker FRP than Reeves though, plus I think LAL wants to keep Reeves to go long with the other 3.

Zach Lavine makes $40M, so LA must send out that much salary. They’ll have no choice.

[Tyronn Lue]

He has mental health and depression issues. He specifically stepped away because he’s headed back home.
Jesus, that sucks. Coming to SA won't fix his depression.

[spurraider21]

id rather have reaves than that pick

[Mr. Body]

He has mental health and depression issues. He specifically stepped away because he’s headed back home.

Who wouldn't if you were forced to play in SLC and Minnesota.

[hoopdreams11]

Schroeder does not want to come off the bench doug for him works straight up. Toronto saves on Salary next year

[NASpurs]

Are the Grizzlies going to become sellers with Ja out the rest of the season? Anything worth picking from that corpse?

[Mr. Body]

Teams may buzz around Marcus Smart, like the Bucks, but those teams don't have much to offer. Poor guy could still be on the Celtics.

[BacktoBasics]

Schroeder does not want to come off the bench doug for him works straight up. Toronto saves on Salary next year

He would be a solid pick up. Not a long term starter but if we get him at the deadline he could find a nice home here.

[heyheymymy]

Damn yeah Ja just announced out for season

Changes things for sure.

[Dejounte]

Trade Targets: Aaron Nesmith, Trey Murphy III, Herbert Jones, Tobias Harris

I’m open to trading: Branham, Tre Jones, Zach Collins, Julian, McDermott, Cedi

[mo7888]

Trade Targets: Aaron Nesmith, Trey Murphy III, Herbert Jones, Tobias Harris

I’m open to trading: Branham, Tre Jones, Zach Collins, Julian, McDermott, Cedi

Murphy or Jones would be nice long term fits. How would you see us acquiring one of them?

[mo7888]

Are the Grizzlies going to become sellers with Ja out the rest of the season? Anything worth picking from that corpse?

There's not much on that roster after their top 2 or 3 guys that I'd want.

[Dejounte]

Murphy or Jones would be nice long term fits. How would you see us acquiring one of them?

They’re both currently bench players so I don’t think they’ll ask for the world for them which makes them ideal targets… this kind of trade is usually a swap of future potential and respective team needs, so I wager that either the Pels or the Pacers will want a project back that fits their future. Maybe the Pels feel they need more front court help and would want Zach in return. Or maybe the Pacers feel they need more shooting around Haliburton and would want a combo of Malaki, McDermott, and Julian…

[mo7888]

They’re both currently bench players so I don’t think they’ll ask for the world for them which makes them ideal targets… this kind of trade is usually a swap of future potential and respective team needs, so I wager that either the Pels or the Pacers will want a project back that fits their future. Maybe the Pels feel they need more front court help and would want Zach in return. Or maybe the Pacers feel they need more shooting around Haliburton and would want a combo of Malaki, McDermott, and Julian…

I'd rather do the deal with Nola. I think those guys are better prospects, but the Zach deal has to wait until tbe summer i believe because of his contract status.

[Mal]

Are the Grizzlies going to become sellers with Ja out the rest of the season? Anything worth picking from that corpse?

If they sell anyone worthy for picks, Ja is demanding trade as soon as he is healthy.

[Mal]

id rather have reaves than that pick

Why, the pick can turn into Branham, Wesley or Primo

[poopbox]

Damn yeah Ja just announced out for season

Changes things for sure.

They'll just run it back next year. I don't see Memphis doing anything as far as trades go. Season was lost with his suspension anyway.

[Ignazzz]

Sarr in Memphis strong move

[Fireball]

Schroeder does not want to come off the bench doug for him works straight up. Toronto saves on Salary next year

I think Schroeder is fine coming off the bench at this point in his career, so that might not put pressure on the Raptors. And I somehow don't see him in a city like San Antonio ...

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/RunItBackFDTV/status/1744741524901093754

[Seventyniner]

Wow. Shams is as credible a source as you're gonna find.

Of course Atlanta will want all their picks back, but the Spurs don't have to offer that.

[LeBowen]

Would be hillarious after everything that was written here. :lmao

Not a perfect fit, but probably the best available point guard in the league right now.
It's the hardest role to play and develop young players in, so I'm not entirely against the idea of Spurs trading for a point guard.
None of the prospects look like they'd be ready for a starting role on a team that doesn't want to tank anymore and there's nothing wrong with them coming off the bench for a couple of seasons.

I'd give Hawks back their pick swap and 2027 pick if they take Collins and McDermott.
They're in no position to negotiate.
2025 stays with us. Or even better of 2025 and 2027 stays with us.

DJ's contract isn't that bad, about right for the value he brings.

[cd98]

He has mental health and depression issues. He specifically stepped away because he’s headed back home.

Hey, I think we have a therapist that can see him if he will wear underwear or at least guarantee he'll keep his shorts on.

[mo7888]

https://twitter.com/RunItBackFDTV/status/1744741524901093754

I'm curious how they'd sell that to their fanbase.. Charlotte, Toronto and a future 1st + Keldon or filler?

[Dejounte]

Welp, my username would become relevant again :lmao

[cd98]

With the reach of Wemby and Murray there would be no passing lanes for opposing teams once they crossed the half court line.

[KobesAchilles]

Great. Another player to ignore Wemby and jack up shots. Just what we need.

[SPURt]

With the reach of Wemby and Murray there would be no passing lanes for opposing teams once they crossed the half court line.
This is my fascination with this trade. Not sure there is a better defensive 1/5 combo in the league if this were to happen. I’d take DJM back in a heartbeat. I don’t understand why people think the Spurs would give the same value back they got in the first trade? They got several seasons of DJM and his value has changed. DJM and the Spurs positioned it like the Spurs system forced him to play a certain way and ATL was gonna unleash him. We all discovered that he can get numbers but it was a weird fit and the Hawks didn’t get better.

[spurraider21]

This is my fascination with this trade. Not sure there is a better defensive 1/5 combo in the league if this were to happen. I’d take DJM back in a heartbeat. I don’t understand why people think the Spurs would give the same value back they got in the first trade? They got several seasons of DJM and his value has changed. DJM and the Spurs positioned it like the Spurs system forced him to play a certain way and ATL was gonna unleash him. We all discovered that he can get numbers but it was a weird fit and the Hawks didn’t get better.
as a murray fan, his defense was always somewhat overrated. he was great at playing the passing lanes, but he basically was a gambler. that would lead to some really easy fastbreaks a few times a game. but as a man to man defender, he was ok not great.

his 3pt shooting has improved in atlanta as well. he's more willing to take them

and his contract is among the best in the league

[offset formation]

We’ve got a Spurs trade rumors thread, but I thought I’d start one for ideas we might have and not necessarily just commenting on things that are already rumored in the press.

It’s 39 degrees and raining here and I’m pretty bored. I’m more into the draft than trades but, I’m taking a break today from looking at game film and thought I’d spitball through a couple types of trades that might make sense between now and the deadline. Looking at this deadline we don’t really want to do anything to lower our draft pick, but I do think we ‘should’ want to provide some balance just to help Wembanyama out a little bit and provide some structure. So, here’s a thought or two in it’s infancy.

#1- Giving them back their pick

To the Hornets- McDermott, Graham, Malaki, and the Cha 1st

To the Spurs- NSJ + Hayward

The thought here is that GH provides balance in the SL that we currently don’t have and he’s expiring. I think he would go a long way towards calming things down and getting players in a better position to simply play the game than what we’re doing now. NSJ is hitting 54% from 3 and if you’ve read anything I wrote about the draft you know I like his potential a lot. He also adds some athleticism to the roster. Why does Charolotte do this? Well, they don’t if a contender makes them a stronger offer for GH, but it’s going to be challenging for some teams to match salaries and our offer is better for them than standing pat. They would probably like to control their pick so it frees up future picks by removing the hold as well.

#2- Lakers, Bulls, Spurs

To the Bulls-McDermott, Graham, Prince, Christie 2024 & 2027 LA 2nds plus the Spurs Cha & Chi picks
To the Lakers- LaVine
To the Spurs- Russell & Reaves

This trade must happen after the 15th of this month. The thought here really comes down to LA getting desperate enough to do something before the deadline. We know the Bulls really want to move LaVine and there’s no market for him other than LA. The Bulls do this trade all day long. The Spurs though, why would we do this trade? Well, Russell isn’t a favorite of mine, but his contract makes this much easier to stomach. He provides stability in the SL and can space the floor. His vision and passing would make things easier on VW in the short term. Reaves is somebody we considered offering a contract this summer, so there’s obviously interest there. We’d be looking at a lineup of:

Russell, Tre, Wesley
Vassel, Reaves, Branham
Champ, KJ
Sochan, Cedi, Mamu, Sidy
Wembanyama, Collins, Barlow

That’s a much better and balanced lineup than we are trotting out there now and Reaves fits in a longer-term view. This gives us plenty of options going into the summer as well. Does LA get desperate enough to get Lavine? Probably not, but it’s not out of the question with a 39-year-old Lebron if they can make a splash anywhere else. I don’t think they really want to include any future 1st’s, so it’ll be hard for them to get a bigger name.

Feel free to poke holes in these or improve on them.. Like I said, trades aren’t my thing as much as the draft is and these thoughts are just in their infancy…

I don't see LA giving up Russell, Reaves, Christie and 2 seconds for Lavine. Quite frankly, it's close to a push just swapping Reaves for Lavine. Lavine clearly the better scorer, but Reaves is the better distributor and board man.

And Reaves gives better effort defensively night in and night out. Lavine has spells where his effort is not there.

Add in the $170+ million Lavine is owed the rest of this year and the next 3, and to me, he's simply not worth that amount of players or contracted payments. Would leave them with ZERO flexibility whatsoever.

If I'm a fan of the other 29 NBA teams I hope this deal goes down exactly the way you drew it up.

[mo7888]

I don't see LA giving up Russell, Reaves, Christie and 2 seconds for Lavine. Quite frankly, it's close to a push just swapping Reaves for Lavine. Lavine clearly the better scorer, but Reaves is the better distributor and board man.

And Reaves gives better effort defensively night in and night out. Lavine has spells where his effort is not there.

Add in the $170+ million Lavine is owed the rest of this year and the next 3, and to me, he's simply not worth that amount of players or contracted payments. Would leave them with ZERO flexibility whatsoever.

If I'm a fan of the other 29 NBA teams I hope this deal goes down exactly the way you drew it up.

I think it's a bad trade from LA's perspective too, but there's a definite portion of their FO that wants Lavine (probably because they can't find any other splash out there) and Reaves + Russell + filler is the only way to make the numbers match. I add that to recent reports that LA would consider Reaves in potential trades, and it feels like they're testing the water from a PR perspective. So, my proposal is really based more on what Chicago would want out of the deal.

[MannyIsGod]

Trade Targets: Aaron Nesmith, Trey Murphy III, Herbert Jones, Tobias Harris

I’m open to trading: Branham, Tre Jones, Zach Collins, Julian, McDermott, Cedi

I too am open to trading players that have pretty much no value in hopes of getting back something that has value. Don't hold your breath.

[rascal]

I too am open to trading players that have pretty much no value in hopes of getting back something that has value. Don't hold your breath.

You can't trade shit for gold. You have to be willing to give up assets other teams will want or forget about trades.

[Dejounte]

I too am open to trading players that have pretty much no value in hopes of getting back something that has value. Don't hold your breath.

Tre Jones Has No Value? Collins? Especially For Guys Like Nesmith? Come On.

[MannyIsGod]

Tre Jones Has No Value? Collins? Especially For Guys Like Nesmith? Come On.

Tre Jones is a middling backup point guard man. I don't know why you think he has much value. Nesmith definitely is more valued than Tre Jones. if nothing else, compare the two contracts they just signed. Both signed them this offseason, but Nesmith signed for more year and more money. Its hard to say that Tre has a higher value in the league given that.

Outside of Wemby, Vassel, Keldon, and Sochan, there's not much on this team that is going to garner a return in a trade. Spurs have spent the last few seasons trading away their assets in a good manner and they've gotten good return, but considering the lack of production from last year's picks the cupboard is bare.

[mo7888]

Tre Jones is a middling backup point guard man. I don't know why you think he has much value. Nesmith definitely is more valued than Tre Jones. if nothing else, compare the two contracts they just signed. Both signed them this offseason, but Nesmith signed for more year and more money. Its hard to say that Tre has a higher value in the league given that.

Outside of Wemby, Vassel, Keldon, and Sochan, there's not much on this team that is going to garner a return in a trade. Spurs have spent the last few seasons trading away their assets in a good manner and they've gotten good return, but considering the lack of production from last year's picks the cupboard is bare.

By that logic isn't Collins worth more since he signed a contract for more than Nesmith?

[MannyIsGod]

By that logic isn't Collins worth more since he signed a contract for more than Nesmith?

If that was the only thing worth considering then sure, but Nesmith has better numbers than Tre, can shoot 3s well, and is a bigger player. Instead of bringing up a bad extension the Spurs signed you could make a case as to why Tre Jones would have much trade value while explaining that while as a free agent he didn't garner much attention, he hasn't had an especially good year, and he can't even start on a team with no other point guard (I don't actually think this is his fault but I do think it has implications on his trade value). This roster has the collective stink on it of being one of the worst teams in NBA history and that is going to matter when evaluating the players that make up the roster as well.

Listen, if Tre Jones brings in a player in a trade who is a legit upgrade I will eat crow but, once again, I'm not going to hold my breath.

[Philthemage]

Murphy is a stud if he can get out of that log jam in NOLA

[poopbox]

Tre Jones is a middling backup point guard man. I don't know why you think he has much value. Nesmith definitely is more valued than Tre Jones. if nothing else, compare the two contracts they just signed. Both signed them this offseason, but Nesmith signed for more year and more money. Its hard to say that Tre has a higher value in the league given that.

Outside of Wemby, Vassel, Keldon, and Sochan, there's not much on this team that is going to garner a return in a trade. Spurs have spent the last few seasons trading away their assets in a good manner and they've gotten good return, but considering the lack of production from last year's picks the cupboard is bare.

Yeah Tre only looks "good" here because all our other point guards are bad. Any team with aspirations to win are not trading for Tre. Any team that is not good probably already has a young point guard with WAY higher upside than Tre. I honestly can't think of one team who would be in the market for an unathletic point guard who can't shoot. The shiniest turd in a bowl of shit is still a turd.

[ginobilized]

DJM coming back would be such a, dare I say a term from my days in the merchant marines, CIA POP move!

Defense gets better, offense couldn't be much worse, so better. Moving Tre to the bench with Keldon (provided we keep him), Collins, Branham and whoever improves the bench and the starting lineup. If McDermott or Osman and picks work, that would be amazing.

My main questions are:

How would DJM and Wemby work together, personality-wise?

What would Atlanta want?

[mo7888]

DJM coming back would be such a, dare I say a term from my days in the merchant marines, CIA POP move!

Defense gets better, offense couldn't be much worse, so better. Moving Tre to the bench with Keldon (provided we keep him), Collins, Branham and whoever improves the bench and the starting lineup. If McDermott or Osman and picks work, that would be amazing.

My main questions are:

How would DJM and Wemby work together, personality-wise?

What would Atlanta want?

They'd work fine together. The 'what would ATL want' is the real question here... we don't really know...some folks think they need a player back to save face somewhat... their best play would be getting as much draft capital and tanking the rest of this season in my opinion....but we don't know how their FO sees it..

[itzsoweezee]

The spurs need to get out of that already awful contract they gave Zach Collins. Give up a couple round picks to include him in a trade package if you have to.

[mo7888]

The spurs need to get out of that already awful contract they gave Zach Collins. Give up a couple round picks to include him in a trade package if you have to.

He's not trade eligible until after the season.

[aissagholi7981]

Hypothetically speaking, how would you guys feel if we went after these two? Obviously without using our pick this year, but this team looks GOOD imo-

Go after Mikal Bridges and DJM-

DJM
Vassell
Bridges
Sohan
Wemby

That looks like a top 4 team next year-

[mo7888]

Hypothetically speaking, how would you guys feel if we went after these two? Obviously without using our pick this year, but this team looks GOOD imo-

Go after Mikal Bridges and DJM-

DJM
Vassell
Bridges
Sohan
Wemby

That looks like a top 4 team next year-

That would be a pretty strong SL. It would probably take just about all of our draft capital to get it done.

[exstatic]

The spurs need to get out of that already awful contract they gave Zach Collins. Give up a couple round picks to include him in a trade package if you have to.

Supposedly, the ATL owner is cheap, and wants out of DJ’s contract completely. That would mean just ending contracts like Cedi, Devonte, or Doug. If that’s the case, then the price in picks would be lower, since we’re essentially cleaning their cap sheet.

[spurraider21]

Supposedly, the ATL owner is cheap, and wants out of DJ’s contract completely. That would mean just ending contracts like Cedi, Devonte, or Doug. If that’s the case, then the price in picks would be lower, since we’re essentially cleaning their cap sheet.
nah, that would probably mean the price of picks would be higher

unlike the raptors who didnt care as much about draft capital for OG, and wanted the value to be returned to them in the form of players, the hawks may not want the value back in the form of players, and instead basically want it all in the form of draft capital, similar to how we traded DJM in the first place.

its not like dejounte is a bad contract that is a burden to take on

[scott]

Supposedly, the ATL owner is cheap, and wants out of DJ’s contract completely. That would mean just ending contracts like Cedi, Devonte, or Doug. If that’s the case, then the price in picks would be lower, since we’re essentially cleaning their cap sheet.

If we could get DJM back for literal scraps, then Brian Wright would deserve a massive bonus. Sadly, I doubt this is really the case and I think spurraider21 is right in his interpretation.

[mo7888]

.

[exstatic]

nah, that would probably mean the price of picks would be higher

unlike the raptors who didnt care as much about draft capital for OG, and wanted the value to be returned to them in the form of players, the hawks may not want the value back in the form of players, and instead basically want it all in the form of draft capital, similar to how we traded DJM in the first place.

its not like dejounte is a bad contract that is a burden to take on

We traded DJ for shit contracts and picks. It’s pretty well acknowledged that his stock has dropped, so shit contracts and fewer picks. You missed the part about the cheap owner, and cleaning their cap sheet. There is a cost to them for that service. If they don’t like it, they can pound sand, and we’ll keep our picks.

[spurraider21]

We traded DJ for shit contracts and picks. It’s pretty well acknowledged that his stock has dropped, so shit contracts and fewer picks. You missed the part about the cheap owner, and cleaning their cap sheet. There is a cost to them for that service. If they don’t like it, they can pound sand, and we’ll keep our picks.
you say "shit contracts" but it was just an expiring Gallo. the spurs didnt want players back for dejounte. they wanted draft capital. same with what we believe the hawks want now, which is the draft capital, and then expiring stuff just for salary matching purposes to create a legal trade (or in graham, a de facto expiring)

so both clubs just wanted draft capital for dejounte

nobody here disagrees that ATL overpaid for him, and nobody here thinks that the spurs should send back the ATL 2025 + 2027, undo the swap, and give them a fake/protected first.

regardless, lets say Dejounte's value is A. and you can send value back in a trade by either including players (B) or draft capital (C). the idea would be, by some combination, A = B + C

if the hawks are saying they arent interested in receiving B, then your equation is basically rewritten to be A = C. there is no "B" that you could then use to justify giving a lower "C" value. what we think "A" is actually worth is kinda separate from this one point though... that the hawks just wanting picks and not players, means they want a substantial amount of value in picks

[vy65]

you say "shit contracts" but it was just an expiring Gallo. the spurs didnt want players back for dejounte. they wanted draft capital. same with what we believe the hawks want now, which is the draft capital, and then expiring stuff just for salary matching purposes to create a legal trade (or in graham, a de facto expiring)

so both clubs just wanted draft capital for dejounte

nobody here disagrees that ATL overpaid for him, and nobody here thinks that the spurs should send back the ATL 2025 + 2027, undo the swap, and give them a fake/protected first.

regardless, lets say Dejounte's value is A. and you can send value back in a trade by either including players (B) or draft capital (C). the idea would be, by some combination, A = B + C

if the hawks are saying they arent interested in receiving B, then your equation is basically rewritten to be A = C. there is no "B" that you could then use to justify giving a lower "C" value. what we think "A" is actually worth is kinda separate from this one point though... that the hawks just wanting picks and not players, means they want a substantial amount of value in picks

Are we sure they want picks? I’m not including what they sent over to us initially because they obviously want those. Those have to be off the table. Assuming so, draft capital and the loss of DJM is a clear signal they’re tanking in at least one season where someone else owns their picks. Assumi n they move off of DJM, which by all indications they are, they should value players more than draft capital.

[spurraider21]

Are we sure they want picks? I’m not including what they sent over to us initially because they obviously want those. Those have to be off the table. Assuming so, draft capital and the loss of DJM is a clear signal they’re tanking in at least one season where someone else owns their picks. Assumi n they move off of DJM, which by all indications they are, they should value players more than draft capital.
i dont know for certain that they want players back. its an assumption im making given their owner is cheap and doesnt want to pay luxury tax, as evidenced by the john collins dump. they dont really have a roster thats a player away. trae is still 25. they might want to take a step back if their only other pieces they really like are very young guys like jalen johnson and okongwu, rather than saddle into other long term contracts

[intlspurshk]

If Spurs are trading 2024 picks, they should aim for players like J Giddley or Maxey at least. D Murray is not an All Star level player but is paid like an All Star player.

[CGD]

If Spurs are trading 2024 picks, they should aim for players like J Giddley or Maxey at least. D Murray is not an All Star level player but is paid like an All Star player.

DJ’s contract is good value in this new cap environment. Just wait til you see what OG, a super overrated player in my view, will get this summer. Folks, we are not that far off from a max contract with a last year that will approach 100M. Shoot the Spurs may be the first to pay it with Wemby!

I think the better way to look at it is salary as a percentage of total roster cost.

[mo7888]

DJ’s contract is good value in this new cap environment. Just wait til you see what OG, a super overrated player in my view, will get this summer. Folks, we are not that far off from a max contract with a last year that will approach 100M. Shoot the Spurs may be the first to pay it with Wemby!

I think the better way to look at it is salary as a percentage of total roster cost.

Yup, DJ is on a very reasonable contract for what he brings. If the price is reasonable we should bring him back. It's not our only option out there if the bidding gets to high though.

[CGD]

Hypothetically speaking, how would you guys feel if we went after these two? Obviously without using our pick this year, but this team looks GOOD imo-

Go after Mikal Bridges and DJM-

DJM
Vassell
Bridges
Sohan
Wemby

That looks like a top 4 team next year-

If you’re gonna play Sochan at the 4 (I think they should), then you need shooting at the 3. I would rather draft Rasicher or Matas, insert him at the 3 instead, and hold all the assets it would take to get Bridges (who I think is overrated).

I think that teams would make the playoffs.

[kxs783kms]

Whatever we do, I hope we don't involve Barlow in any trades. Dude is going to be a nice, impactful piece to this team.

[mo7888]

Since Trae has been mentioned in an article as wanting to play with Wemby (although its a highly dubious article), lets ask the question: What would you give for him, if anything?

Also, let's do the same for Bridges (Brooklyn)...

[mo7888]

Trae:

Atlanta- Tor pick, Spurs 25 and 27, chicago pick + doug + graham +KJ+Malaki

Spurs- Trae + Patty

Or

Brooklyn- doug + graham + Toronto pick + Spurs 25 and 27 picks

I'd rather go for Bridges

[cd98]

I like Bridges a lot. I'd give up anyone on the roster not named Wemby, but if we gave the Nets Vassell, it would be a lesser first round pick and any other picks would be second rounders. I don't see him as way better than Vassell.

I have mixed feelings about Trae, but he'd probably be worth a player and two first round picks. One if not both of those picks would probably have to be Hawk pics. He's a nice shooter, but I'm just not convinced he can have the Curry effect or that he is the point guard to pair with Wemby. I think the Spurs are hoping for a point guard that may not be able to score like Trae, but can defend. Like a younger Holiday. I think they want to be able to switch at every position on defense. I think that's why they tried Sochan at point guard...he's switchable to any big, which makes him potential as a pick and roll defender. That didn't work out, but it probably should have been experimented with in the G-League, though maybe Sochan would have been pissed to go there this year.

[mo7888]

I like Bridges a lot. I'd give up anyone on the roster not named Wemby, but if we gave the Nets Vassell, it would be a lesser first round pick and any other picks would be second rounders. I don't see him as way better than Vassell.

I have mixed feelings about Trae, but he'd probably be worth a player and two first round picks. One if not both of those picks would probably have to be Hawk pics. He's a nice shooter, but I'm just not convinced he can have the Curry effect or that he is the point guard to pair with Wemby. I think the Spurs are hoping for a point guard that may not be able to score like Trae, but can defend. Like a younger Holiday. I think they want to be able to switch at every position on defense. I think that's why they tried Sochan at point guard...he's switchable to any big, which makes him potential as a pick and roll defender. That didn't work out, but it probably should have been experimented with in the G-League, though maybe Sochan would have been pissed to go there this year.

I agree with you about the Spurs wanting a different, more defensive, PG than what Trae is. There's not many of that in the draft... Castle is one though.

I'm to light on my Bridges package. Probably have to add either Keldon or one more pick.

[Mr. Body]

Not that I think Brooklyn is selling Bridges -- they're not -- but he's going to be 28 this summer. Why trade assets for a player who will be done by the time Wembanyama is ready to truly start in on contending? Figure in year four with him on the Spurs could really be making noise and Bridges will be 32.

[BacktoBasics]

I agree with you about the Spurs wanting a different, more defensive, PG than what Trae is. There's not many of that in the draft... Castle is one though.

I'm to light on my Bridges package. Probably have to add either Keldon or one more pick.

Trae solves the offensive problem and we could take a shot at a few long term PG’s through the draft and be fine. But we would surely have to give up Vassell on a Trae deal.

[CGD]

I like the idea of Trae and Wemby together, but the reason ATL has failed to launch is Trae himself. Period. He wants to be a heliocentric hub ala Rockets Harden or current Luka, but thats not the way the Spurs want to play with Wemby at the focal point. Wembs is just too talented to be a Capella clone. There would have to be a deep change in philosophy in san antonio, or buy in for Trae to play differently.

[mo7888]

Not that I think Brooklyn is selling Bridges -- they're not -- but he's going to be 28 this summer. Why trade assets for a player who will be done by the time Wembanyama is ready to truly start in on contending? Figure in year four with him on the Spurs could really be making noise and Bridges will be 32.

Because I think Wemby's timeline starts quicker than you do.

[mo7888]

Trae solves the offensive problem and we could take a shot at a few long term PG’s through the draft and be fine. But we would surely have to give up Vassell on a Trae deal.

I don't think they'd want Vassell. They want to try and get their picks back because they'd be going complete tear down if they move Trae.

[BacktoBasics]

I don't think they'd want Vassell. They want to try and get their picks back because they'd be going complete tear down if they move Trae.

I get Trae is a baller and I’d roll the dice on his personality but he had issues there. Could be addition by subtraction and Murray could be better without him. They might consider retooling around their current roster.

But a complete tear down like you’re suggesting is totally possible.

[mo7888]

I get Trae is a baller and I’d roll the dice on his he had issues there. Could be addition by subtraction and Murray could be better without him. They might consider retooling around their current roster.

But a complete tear down like you’re suggesting is totally possible.

Also, I'm not advocating for getting Trae. When reports initially came out yesterday, my first thought was he'd do well here. I do like how he fits, but I probably wouldn't like the price compared to what those same or similar assets could bring us elsewhere.

[Manu20]

I'm on the fence with a Trae trade as it is risky to mortgage future draft picks for the following 3 to 4 years? I do think Victor is way ahead of schedule as far as being a focal point on a contending Spurs team. So if the Hawks are willing to trade and Trae is open to play with the Spurs it would be hard for the FO to not entertain the idea of bringing him over.

[Mr. Body]

Because I think Wemby's timeline starts quicker than you do.

When it starts doesn't even matter. Bridges will be 32 when Wemby is 23. Then you've just wasted assets for a guy who will be done for the rest of Wembanyama's career. Why?

[mo7888]

When it starts doesn't even matter. Bridges will be 32 when Wemby is 23. Then you've just wasted assets for a guy who will be done for the rest of Wembanyama's career. Why?

Because Wemby is ready to start competing next year. Bridges helps him do that. By the time Bridges is 32 we can move on, but he has a games that should age fairly well.

[LeBowen]

There's no way Trae is available, not unless he asks out. Can't see it happening mid-season.
And even if he asks out, it would take a lot. Probably 4 or 5 FRPs and anyone else Hawks want except for Wemby and Devin.

[Seventyniner]

The best case scenario for a Wemby/Trae pairing would be something akin to Jokic and Jamal Murray, but I don't think Trae has the kind of attitude that would allow him to accept being the clear second option. He is also a significantly worse defender.

[rankingtear]

The best case scenario for a Wemby/Trae pairing would be something akin to Jokic and Jamal Murray, but I don't think Trae has the kind of attitude that would allow him to accept being the clear second option. He is also a significantly worse defender.

Trae off ball is not a thing. It would be more like CP3 and Deandre Jordan.

[rascal]

When it starts doesn't even matter. Bridges will be 32 when Wemby is 23. Then you've just wasted assets for a guy who will be done for the rest of Wembanyama's career. Why?

When Bridges is 32, Wemby will be 24 and a half. Wemby can already be one of the best players in the league if it were not for the minutes restrictions. And in two years he should be a top three player in the league, Bridges will be 29.

Bridges timeline is fine with Wemby's early years.

[baseline bum]

Trae:

Atlanta- Tor pick, Spurs 25 and 27, chicago pick + doug + graham +KJ+Malaki

Spurs- Trae + Patty

Or

Brooklyn- doug + graham + Toronto pick + Spurs 25 and 27 picks

I'd rather go for Bridges

Trae would cost more than that. They'd probably want the 24 pick too. At least Trae grew up a Spurs fan per the Express News so imagine he'd be excited to be here with Wemby.

[mo7888]

Trae would cost more than that. They'd probably want the 24 pick too. At least Trae grew up a Spurs fan per the Express News so imagine he'd be excited to be here with Wemby.

You're correct... I noted above in a previous post that I was to light on the Trae deal.

[ginobilized]

Instead of just trade ideas, here's another question:

How should the Spurs build around Wemby with positions 1-4? What types of players would be ideal, with no regard to the current roster nor reality?

Here are some basic ideas by position with a few archetypal examples. Of course, I understand that we won't have all-time greats at every position. It's just a starting place. I'm really curious how this forum see this.

1: Taller than average, excellent distributor/floor general, either offensively or defensively elite: Jrue Holiday/Denis Johnson
2: 3-level scorer, defensively at least average, high IQ: Klay Thompson/Joe Johnson
3: Elite offensively or defensive stopper, good rebounder for position, decent passer: Kawhi Leonard/James Worthy
4: Elite shot blocker/rim-runner, tough-minded, mobile: Jaren Jackson/Antonio McDyess

[DAF86]

Instead of just trade ideas, here's another question:

How should the Spurs build around Wemby with positions 1-4? What types of players would be ideal, with no regard to the current roster nor reality?

Here are some basic ideas by position with a few archetypal examples. Of course, I understand that we won't have all-time greats at every position. It's just a starting place. I'm really curious how this forum see this.

1: Taller than average, excellent distributor/floor general, either offensively or defensively elite: Jrue Holiday/Denis Johnson
2: 3-level scorer, defensively at least average, high IQ: Klay Thompson/Joe Johnson
3: Elite offensively or defensive stopper, good rebounder for position, decent passer: Kawhi Leonard/James Worthy
4: Elite shot blocker/rim-runner, tough-minded, mobile: Jaren Jackson/Antonio McDyess

Dillingham
Vassell
Risacher
Cam Johnson
Wemby

[LeBowen]

1: Taller than average, excellent distributor/floor general, either offensively or defensively elite: Jrue Holiday/Denis Johnson

Obviously height is always needed, but I think that the most important thing is that Spurs find an elite floor general.
Trae's defense is really bad, but offensively he'd be everything the Spurs need. He's as good as it gets on offense for someone his size, though.
I'm not a fan of point guard being the first or second scoring option, but if it works, why not.
But as I said, top notch passing is a must. Our future PG should easily get 10apg when he plays full minutes.



2: 3-level scorer, defensively at least average, high IQ: Klay Thompson/Joe Johnson

I think Devin is the only guaranteed piece for the future aside from Wemby. No upgrade needed and I wouldn't trade him unless we can get a legit superstar that's on Wemby's timeline.



3: Elite offensively or defensive stopper, good rebounder for position, decent passer: Kawhi Leonard/James Worthy

I'd be fine with your textbook 3-D wing. Bowen being the best example, obviously. Can't have everyone do everything, all-NBA defender that knocks them down from the corner and is a good cutter should suffice.


4: Elite shot blocker/rim-runner, tough-minded, mobile: Jaren Jackson/Antonio McDyess

I'm leaning more towards a tall SF archetype than traditional PF like you mentioned. Very few teams have two legit bigs and if you ask me, our SF and PF should be interchangeable.
I'm against that style of basketball, but with Wemby, star playmaker and Devin that can create for himself, it would be enough to dumb it down on the wings to the level of MDA offense.
All Wemby would need with an elite playmaker is spacing.

Tre would be decent enough as a backup point guard for a while, then get a Clarkson/Lou type 6th man scorer because another Manu isn't happening.
Ibaka style stretch big as a backup and someone who can start in those few matchup against legit twin towers we wouldn't be able to contain with just Wemby.

[mo7888]

Trying to edge in on an LA-Atl deal

LA- Dejounte + Cedi
Atl- Russell + 2029 LA 1st + our Chicago 1st
Spurs- Reaves

Is the Chicago pick to much to give for Reaves or would a slew of 2nd's get it done?

[spurraider21]

Trying to edge in on an LA-Atl deal

LA- Dejounte
Atl- Russell + 2029 LA 1st + our Chicago 1st
Spurs- Reaves

Is the Chicago pick to much to give for Reaves or would a slew of 2nd's get it done?
id attach one or two 2nds to the chicago first for Reaves and not blink

spurs cant just absorb reaves' salary tho, we need some outgoing

[mo7888]

id attach one or two 2nds to the chicago first for Reaves and not blink

spurs cant just absorb reaves' salary tho, we need some outgoing

You're right... I had Cedi going to LA and just omitted it...I'll edit it

[spurraider21]

You're right... I had Cedi going to LA and just omitted it...I'll edit it
think doug/graham works better to match reaves' pay, since murray/russell are a wash

[CGD]

Instead of just trade ideas, here's another question:

How should the Spurs build around Wemby with positions 1-4? What types of players would be ideal, with no regard to the current roster nor reality?

Here are some basic ideas by position with a few archetypal examples. Of course, I understand that we won't have all-time greats at every position. It's just a starting place. I'm really curious how this forum see this.

1: Taller than average, excellent distributor/floor general, either offensively or defensively elite: Jrue Holiday/Denis Johnson
2: 3-level scorer, defensively at least average, high IQ: Klay Thompson/Joe Johnson
3: Elite offensively or defensive stopper, good rebounder for position, decent passer: Kawhi Leonard/James Worthy
4: Elite shot blocker/rim-runner, tough-minded, mobile: Jaren Jackson/Antonio McDyess

Dont think you need a rim runner type with Wemby. Definitely need the table setter and someone who can score in the midrange when shit breaks down. In theory Devin is the latter. As for the other two positions, in today's league i think you want essentially two 6'8-9" SF, one lockdown defender and the other a knock down shooter (who isnt a complete minus on D).

[table setter]
Vassell
[best available SF in 24 draft]
Sochan
Wemby

Key reserves:
- steady hand PG (Tre)
- heat check/change of pace guy (Keldon; Malaki; Vet)
- Center (Collins)

[mo7888]

think doug/graham works better to match reaves' pay, since murray/russell are a wash

I doubt LA would want Graham, but I'd be thrilled if they wanted Doug over Cedi.

My trade with Cedi net salary implications:

Atl: -$906k
LA: -$4.3M
Spurs: +$5.2M

[scott]

Love these ideas, but I can’t see LAL or ATL wanting to let us squirm our way into a trade and get good value. Also don’t see how that Lakers offer isn’t immediately beat by any other team (including the Spurs, if they were so inclined).

Getting DLo and a 2029 first doesn’t really help them now, and waiting 6 years for the payoff doesn’t kick off a rebuild.

Do ANY of the rumored teams have some upcoming FRPs to offer Atlanta? Detroit is a sneaky contender for his service (though I’m sure DJM wouldn’t be too happy about it) as is Cleveland if they weren’t confident they could retain Spida

[BatManu20]

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[mo7888]

Love these ideas, but I can’t see LAL or ATL wanting to let us squirm our way into a trade and get good value. Also don’t see how that Lakers offer isn’t immediately beat by any other team (including the Spurs, if they were so inclined).

Getting DLo and a 2029 first doesn’t really help them now, and waiting 6 years for the payoff doesn’t kick off a rebuild.

Do ANY of the rumored teams have some upcoming FRPs to offer Atlanta? Detroit is a sneaky contender for his service (though I’m sure DJM wouldn’t be too happy about it) as is Cleveland if they weren’t confident they could retain Spida

What package can LA offer that's better than that?

[CGD]

^ I kinda think Klutch is using the Spurs “interest” as a marker for other teams, which is consistent with WOJ’s tweet. Basically they want what they paid for him back

[CorrectCrusader]

Atlanta asking for what the spurs got in return for murray is like a middle aged lower class person buying a new car with a payment and trying to return it 6 months later, not realizing its value is now 1/3rd.

[mo7888]

Nets- Graham + Doug + Toronto 1st + Chi 1st + 2024 LA 2nd

Spurs- Cameron Johnson

Of course, this only comes after the Nets move Bridges and go full in tank..

[Mr. Body]

Nets- Graham + Doug + Toronto 1st + Chi 1st + 2024 LA 2nd

Spurs- Cameron Johnson

Of course, this only comes after the Nets move Bridges and go full in tank..

Nets cant go into full tank.

[mo7888]

Nets cant go into full tank.

If they can get their picks back from Houston by moving Bridges there, they can. This idea 'assumes' that happening..

[Mr. Body]

If they can get their picks back from Houston by moving Bridges there, they can. This idea 'assumes' that happening..

Got it. Yeah, I don't think Houston is going to do it, though. I do think Brooklyn needs to move one or two of their SFs.

[mo7888]

Another idea- Helping get DJ out of Atlanta

Lakers- Keldon Johnson + DJ

Spurs- Reaves + Russell

Atlanta- Graham + Prince + Cha 1st + LA 2029 1st

Honestly, I don't like moving KJ for Reaves, which this essentially is, but having DJ off of Atlanta for no real players should help the value of our Atlanta picks...

[mo7888]

Got it. Yeah, I don't think Houston is going to do it, though. I do think Brooklyn needs to move one or two of their SFs.

I agree that Houston probably doesn't do it, but ownership there is pretty erratic... so while it's not likely, I wouldn't be shocked either..

[TD 21]

They shouldn't expend draft capital until lead creator is settled. If they luck into it in the draft first, then it can be spent on a role player(s).

Even then, Johnson is too injury prone.

Also, Russell will never be a Spur.

[mo7888]

They shouldn't expend draft capital until lead creator is settled. If they luck into it in the draft first, then it can be spent on a role player(s).

Even then, Johnson is too injury prone.

Also, Russell will never be a Spur.

Russell is just salary ballast

[LeBowen]

Idk why would they include us in that trade. Lakers don't want to give up Reaves and Hawks want him.
If Lakers let go and trade Reaves, he's not going to a third team.

[CGD]

Nets- Graham + Doug + Toronto 1st + Chi 1st + 2024 LA 2nd

Spurs- Cameron Johnson

Of course, this only comes after the Nets move Bridges and go full in tank..

Too bad Sean Marks wants 12 FRPs for Royce O’Neal. Imagine the cost for Johnson!

[TD 21]

Russell is just salary ballast

I know, but still.

[r0drig0lac]

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1754195184693248511

even role players these days require trades.

[Mr. Body]

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1754195184693248511

even role players these days require trades.

There are a lot of teams in Europe.

[CGD]

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1754195184693248511

even role players these days require trades.

China

[scott]

Killian Hayes
Kai Jones

I’m making a list of nobodies who have demanded trades. Am I missing anyone so far?

[CGD]

F it: send us Hayes and Wiseman for Graham.

[baseline bum]

F it: send us Hayes and Wiseman for Zollins.

FIFY

Then cut both of them so as to not waste roster spots on useless bullshit, and then up Barlow to a full NBA contract so he can play every night.

[TD 21]

I wouldn't necessarily do all of these and obviously it's impossible to know the precise price point, but they could make sense in the off season for the needle the Spurs should try to thread . . .

Collins, Jones, Craptors, Bulls, Hawks '26 swap and unprotected '27 1sts for Young (if he requests trade and Spurs are on his list) and Capela.

Johnson, Craptors and Bulls 1sts for D. White (in unlikely event he doesn't extend).

Graham, Branham, Craptors and Bulls 1sts for C. White.

Johnson, Jones, Craptors, Bulls and Hornets 1sts for Garland (if Mitchell signals he will re-sign).

Johnson, Branham, Craptors, Bulls, Hornets and Hawks unprotected '27 1sts for Mitchell (if he signals he won't re-sign and Spurs are on his list).

Graham, Branham, Craptors and Bulls 1sts for Simons.

Graham, Branham and either Craptors or Bulls 1st for Sexton.

[mo7888]

I wouldn't necessarily do all of these and obviously it's impossible to know the precise price point, but they could make sense in the off season for the needle the Spurs should try to thread . . .

Collins, Jones, Craptors, Bulls, Hawks '26 swap and unprotected '27 1sts for Young (if he requests trade and Spurs are on his list) and Capela.

Johnson, Craptors and Bulls 1sts for D. White (in unlikely event he doesn't extend).

Graham, Branham, Craptors and Bulls 1sts for C. White.

Johnson, Jones, Craptors, Bulls and Hornets 1sts for Garland (if Mitchell signals he will re-sign).

Johnson, Branham, Craptors, Bulls, Hornets and Hawks unprotected '27 1sts for Mitchell (if he signals he won't re-sign and Spurs are on his list).

Graham, Branham, Craptors and Bulls 1sts for Simons.

Graham, Branham and either Craptors or Bulls 1st for Sexton.

" Johnson, Craptors and Bulls 1sts for D. White (in unlikely event he doesn't extend).

Graham, Branham, Craptors and Bulls 1sts for C. White.

Johnson, Jones, Craptors, Bulls and Hornets 1sts for Garland (if Mitchell signals he will re-sign).

Johnson, Branham, Craptors, Bulls, Hornets and Hawks unprotected '27 1sts for Mitchell (if he signals he won't re-sign and Spurs are on his list).

Graham, Branham, Craptors and Bulls 1sts for Simons.

Graham, Branham and either Craptors or Bulls 1st for Sexton."

I'd be pretty pleased with any one of these..

[Ariel]

I wouldn't necessarily do all of these and obviously it's impossible to know the precise price point, but they could make sense in the off season for the needle the Spurs should try to thread . . .

Collins, Jones, Craptors, Bulls, Hawks '26 swap and unprotected '27 1sts for Young (if he requests trade and Spurs are on his list) and Capela.

Johnson, Craptors and Bulls 1sts for D. White (in unlikely event he doesn't extend).

Graham, Branham, Craptors and Bulls 1sts for C. White.

Johnson, Jones, Craptors, Bulls and Hornets 1sts for Garland (if Mitchell signals he will re-sign).

Johnson, Branham, Craptors, Bulls, Hornets and Hawks unprotected '27 1sts for Mitchell (if he signals he won't re-sign and Spurs are on his list).

Graham, Branham, Craptors and Bulls 1sts for Simons.

Graham, Branham and either Craptors or Bulls 1st for Sexton.
Most of those are overpays, and I think you're undervaluing the picks, especially Toronto and Chicago. It would be preferable to offer future Spurs' pick with protections, in most cases. Also I would wait until the summer of '25 for a big spash, there's a big chance Donovan Mitchell, Lauri Markkanen, Derrick White are UFAs, so that would lower the price and it's only one year ahead.
I like the Coby White idea, but it should he noted he's so underpaid he likely won't extend on his current contract, so eventually he'll become a FA (with Bird rights though).

[timtonymanu]

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1754195184693248511

even role players these days require trades.

Can Zollins do the same then?

[TD 21]

Most of those are overpays, and I think you're undervaluing the picks, especially Toronto and Chicago. It would be preferable to offer future Spurs' pick with protections, in most cases. Also I would wait until the summer of '25 for a big spash, there's a big chance Donovan Mitchell, Lauri Markkanen, Derrick White are UFAs, so that would lower the price and it's only one year ahead.
I like the Coby White idea, but it should he noted he's so underpaid he likely won't extend on his current contract, so eventually he'll become a FA (with Bird rights though).

The only way you can get teams to consider trading players that they probably aren't interested in trading and don't have a looming deadline to, is to overpay a la the Spurs with Murray.

The Spurs have the draft equity to do so, especially considering out of the non stars (Mitchell and Young), they wouldn't be touching any of their best ones.

Relying on star players to get to free agency in this era is a fool's errand.

[Chomag]

Spurs need a veteran point guard, not some draftee that may or mynot be something in 3-4 years. I'd rather see them trade for one and then go after something else in the draft. Wemby needs another star or 2 with him and that's probably not going to be found in the draft anytime soon

[scott]

I’d be interested in sending out our expiring deals for someone with 1 more year on their deal (from a team who needs the relief) who could be a trade asset in the summer. Not expecting anything more from this deadline.

[jjspur]

I'm expecting the spurs to stand pat at the trade deadline and then after the deadline passes release Graham or McNuggets so they can sign with another team for the playoffs. Both are stupid moves. There is a slight possibility that we get a future 2nd for one of our players, but that's probably it. Hope I'm wrong, but we'll see in a few days.

[Ariel]

The only way you can get teams to consider trading players that they probably aren't interested in trading and don't have a looming deadline to, is to overpay a la the Spurs with Murray.

The Spurs have the draft equity to do so, especially considering out of the non stars (Mitchell and Young), they wouldn't be touching any of their best ones.

Relying on star players to get to free agency in this era is a fool's errand.
Overpaying rarely works, there's always an opportunity around the corner (Aaron Gordon to Denver, OG to NY, Porzingis and Derrick White to Boston, etc). You just have to be patient and have the assets when it presents itself. Trae's price could go down significantly if things go sour in Atlanta, Washington could make some of their players available (Gafford?), maybe there's a logjam or someone becomes disgruntled, you never know but it happens every season. Teams sense when there's blood in the water and the price goes up, I'd say good examples on how to handle yourself are Leon Rose and Pelinka (especially last year with how many pieces he got for a single pick). Desperation ends in disaster much more often than not.

[TD 21]

Overpaying rarely works, there's always an opportunity around the corner (Aaron Gordon to Denver, OG to NY, Porzingis and Derrick White to Boston, etc). You just have to be patient and have the assets when it presents itself. Trae's price could go down significantly if things go sour in Atlanta, Washington could make some of their players available (Gafford?), maybe there's a logjam or someone becomes disgruntled, you never know but it happens every season. Teams sense when there's blood in the water and the price goes up, I'd say good examples on how to handle yourself are Leon Rose and Pelinka (especially last year with how many pieces he got for a single pick). Desperation ends in disaster much more often than not.

Those were examples of good teams adding elite role players or a star to play a tertiary role.

This is a unique situation where the most hyped/best prospect in 20 years and maybe ever, with an unprecedented body type/skill set combination, is on a team with the least amount of shot creation I've ever seen and an ample amount of draft capital.

Rely on some raw 19-20 year old rookie(s) in a supposed weak draft and being a dumping ground for unwanted veterans for more draft capital via trade/commensurate signings and have a similar season next year, where he's being cost accolades and they'll be on the fast track to his wanting out.

[mo7888]

I'm not really for taking back bad salary to get 2nds or late firsts right now. Im open to trading space + picks for actual players. Id prefer to find my star to pair with Wemby if thats on the table. If not, I'd look for useful role players, that raise our floor, on good contracts that let me horde cap/cash space for that future star.

[exstatic]

I'm not really for taking back bad salary to get 2nds or late firsts right now. Im open to trading space + picks for actual players. Id prefer to find my star to pair with Wemby if thats on the table. If not, I'd look for useful role players, that raise our floor, on good contracts that let me horde cap/cash space for that future star.

That sounds an awful lot like the Houston ‘late lottery’ plan. :vomit:

[spurraider21]

That sounds an awful lot like the Houston ‘late lottery’ plan. :vomit:
Nobody goes from 20 wins to 50 wins overnight

[mo7888]

That sounds an awful lot like the Houston ‘late lottery’ plan. :vomit:

Well it shouldn't because its not...

[exstatic]

Nobody goes from 20 wins to 50 wins overnight

We’re two years behind OKC. They went from 24 wins and drafting Chet to 40 wins and a play in spot without Chet’s services, and are on track for about 55 this year. Houston raised their floor, and are on track for 38 wins, and the loss of their top 4 protected pick.

[Spursfanfromafar]

One guy who would be of immense use to the Spurs as a connecting piece towards contention would be Alex Caruso, IMO. If the Spurs can manage to trade for him by giving up the Chicago pick in 2025 (that they got via the Derozan trade), I think they should go for it. It will give Chicago a chance to control their own pick and destiny in 2025 instead of getting protected picks from other contenders and who will be middling/ late picks.

On the Spurs side, it will allow them to get a decent offensive player and an amazing defender, among the top 5 in the league for the last three years or so, and who can cleanly fit into the starting lineup with Jones, Vassell, Wemby & Sochan. Caruso will be a major upgrade over Champagnie, and will spread the floor and can also handle the ball in a pinch as a back-up point guard. In case, the Spurs select Topic next season.. Caruso can be a great mentor as well and a good fit alongside him. It will also be a pick that the Spurs will give up in a year when they are expected to have multiple FRPs (the Spurs' own, the Hawks and most likely, the Raptors' lottery pick) and its a risk that the Spurs can take.

I think the Bulls, if they decide to get out of the mediocrity that they have set themselves in, will be persuaded to go through this path, considering the alternatives they will be getting from the contenders.

[Dverde]

Rumors out saying Spurs called about Tyus Jones.

[RC_Drunkford]

Read that too. I don’t even know why, he‘s not really better than Tre. He just shoots the 3 way better than him. Minor upgrade tbh

[Dejounte]

I’d Welcome Tyus At The Right Price

From A Marketing Standpoint, It’s Awesome

From A Leadership Standpoint, It’s Awesome

The Spurs Can Then Focus All Their Resources On Other Positions

[Mr. Body]

Tyus Jones is a free agent after this season. So... why?

[TD 21]

So that a team like the Timberwolves, bereft of cap space, can't get his Bird rights.

I'd get it for something like Graham and the Hornets 1st, but it'd be the definition of a half measure.

[BacktoBasics]

Two back up point guards with the last name Jones does not equal 1 complete point guard.

[TekXX]

Yea I'm confused why we'd want Tre Jones 2.0. Wrights' brilliance at work.

[Atl Spur]

The spurs rarely leak intentions…

[CorrectCrusader]

Trading for Tyus is definitely on the list of stupid things to do if you're a braindead gm

[manufan10]

There are three teams with significant draft capital that could use a point guard: the Magic, Nets, and Spurs. As I wrote last month, San Antonio is uniquely positioned to make a compelling offer since it owns several of Atlanta’s future firsts stemming from the Murray deal. The Spurs aren’t trying to win this season like the Magic and Nets are, but all of these teams could surround Young with the type of talented, lengthy teammates he’s never benefited from in his career. Trae pick-and-rolls with Nic Claxton rolling and Mikal Bridges as an outlet? Sign me up. Trae sprinting through a Paolo Banchero handoff with Wendell Carter spotting up? Beautiful. Trae running two-man actions with Victor Wembanyama for the next decade? What a dream.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2024/2/5/24062099/joel-embiid-meniscus-injury-philadelphia-76ers-trade-deadline

[baseline bum]

Tyus Jones is a free agent after this season. So... why?

He's under contract for next season too

[mo7888]

He's under contract for next season too

I believe his $14M contract expires at the end of this season

[Mr. Body]

Everywhere I can find has him as an UFA this summer.

[baseline bum]

I believe his $14M contract expires at the end of this season


Everywhere I can find has him as an UFA this summer.

Shit my bad Mr. Body, I read your post wrong and thought you were saying Tre was on his last year. Yeah Tyus is a free agent. I wouldn't mind trading a couple of seconds for him just to get Bird Rights and actually be able to have a PG on the floor 48 minutes a night. I don't think there is anyone better the Spurs can sign this offseason. Of course I like Tre enough (and especially at that salary) that he would have to be ok backing his brother up for me to consider it. Since he was ok backing Sochan and Branham up at PG I'd be surprised if it's too big a deal. Wouldn't give up a first for him though since can just sign him in the summer (unless it's the Charlotte fake first).

[DPG21920]

Remember when so many wanted Spurs to trade firsts for Quickley just to be forced to pay him in free agency? He’s a solid player, but hes not doing anything to elevate TOR at all and Im very happy with benefit of hindsight SA did not bite on that type of deal.

Spurs can do better than Quickley for the money/picks he did/would have/will commanded.

[scott]

I’d flip a couple of seconds for Tyus, but apparently that won’t get it done and I’m not going to be overly heartbroken about it. That’s kind of what I view the warchest of SRPs for - to add short term veteran help from time to time.

Even if Tyus only gets you basically 48 minutes of having Tre Jones… that seems like a good thing, given our current roster.

My only hesitation would be that it freezers out Blake, so you have to ask yourself how you feel about that.

However, I don’t hate the idea of using these SRP’s for someone like Tyus, who can show out for 30 games throwing lobs to Wemby, then we’ll have his bird rights to facilitate a S&T for him to his next destination. Not gonna cry over it if it doesn’t happen though.

[baseline bum]

I’d flip a couple of seconds for Tyus, but apparently that won’t get it done and I’m not going to be overly heartbroken about it. That’s kind of what I view the warchest of SRPs for - to add short term veteran help from time to time.

Even if Tyus only gets you basically 48 minutes of having Tre Jones… that seems like a good thing, given our current roster.

My only hesitation would be that it freezers out Blake, so you have to ask yourself how you feel about that.

However, I don’t hate the idea of using these SRP’s for someone like Tyus, who can show out for 30 games throwing lobs to Wemby, then we’ll have his bird rights to facilitate a S&T for him to his next destination. Not gonna cry over it if it doesn’t happen though.

Washington will take what they can get for him Thursday. He's a rental and he has to have no intention of re-signing there.

[Ariel]

Honestly, I don't understand the urgency to burn the war chest of picks and future cap space on Trae Young... for what, an immediate 1st round playoffs exit?
Just keep the picks, in the offseason sign a vet PG who can shoot (Monte Morris, Tyus Jones), use Toronto's pick on Dillingham and the Spurs own on Sarr if available, if not maybe shop it or trade down to pick a wing prospect (Cody Williams, Buzelis, Holland, etc). Use the 2nd rounder on a backup big like Adem Bona, and thank Bassey for rendered services and send him home.
Then try to find a 3&D guy who won't command a lot, and ask Pop whether he wants to retire or actually coach this team for a change.
That right there should be enough to at least be in play in contention and not piss off Vic, and the team remains flexible and loaded with assets when a REAL star becomes available, where you can use Collins' awful contract and other players and picks. If not, dump his contract in the '25 offseason (by then, an expiring) for a few 2nds and make a max offer for Donovan Mitchell or Markkanen, or bring back Derrick.
In all honesty, I believe this is a much more solid plan long term than emptying the Spurs' pockets for a quick "fix" that may yield nothing but short term highlights and long term tears.

[baseline bum]

Honestly, I don't understand the urgency to burn the war chest of picks and future cap space on Trae Young... for what, an immediate 1st round playoffs exit?
Just keep the picks, in the offseason sign a vet PG who can shoot (Monte Morris, Tyus Jones), use Toronto's pick on Dillingham and the Spurs own on Sarr if available, if not maybe shop it or trade down to pick a wing prospect (Cody Williams, Buzelis, Holland, etc). Use the 2nd rounder on a backup big like Adem Bona, and thank Bassey for rendered services and send him home.
Then try to find a 3&D guy who won't command a lot, and ask Pop whether he wants to retire or actually coach this team for a change.
That right there should be enough to at least be in play in contention and not piss off Vic, and the team remains flexible and loaded with assets when a REAL star becomes available, where you can use Collins' awful contract and other players and picks. If not, dump his contract in the '25 offseason (by then, an expiring) for a few 2nds and make a max offer for Donovan Mitchell or Markkanen, or bring back Derrick.
In all honesty, I believe this is a much more solid plan long term than emptying the Spurs' pockets for a quick "fix" that may yield nothing but short term highlights and long term tears.

That Toronto pick has a great chance of not conveying and I'd be surprised if Dillingham is on the board anyways at #7. Sarr is going #1 most likely. If the Spurs fall to #4 or worse they're probably not getting Sarr or Risacher and maybe not Williams either. No thanks on one of the G-League Ignite guys top 5.

[Ariel]

That Toronto pick has a great chance of not conveying and I'd be surprised if Dillingham is on the board anyways at #7. Sarr is going #1 most likely. If the Spurs fall to #4 or worse they're probably not getting Sarr or Risacher and maybe not Williams either. No thanks on one of the G-League Ignite guys top 5.
With the Spurs own pick my target is Sarr, if unavailable I said trade down and pick a lesser prospect. Just because Ignite is bad doesn't mean the prospects necessarily will be, they have huge question marks but in a draft class where everyone does, at a certain price tag it becomes a worthwhile risk. I remember distinctly people saying that Eason was dumb as a brick, that GG Jackson was undraftable, lots of strong mainstream takes are the reason prospects slide and value picks are made. They may not pan out, or you may hit a home run.
Dillingham is too small, a lot of teams will pass on that archetype and are already set at PG (Detroit, Charlotte, Portland, Memphis, Atlanta, etc). Maybe Washington could pick up Dillingham, but I think they'll try a wing first. He's really talented, and in a draft where every player seems flawed, the trick may be to pick one who actually has tangible strengths. Mid term he'll help Vic and the team, If long term he isn't conducive to winning you can always flip him for something else. The key is not to burn the pick into another Primo. Spurs have repeatedly failed when trying to outsmart themselves (Vassell over Halliburton, Primo over Sengun, etc), just take a guy who you know can play... and Dillingham can.

[vy65]

Honestly, I don't understand the urgency to burn the war chest of picks and future cap space on Trae Young... for what, an immediate 1st round playoffs exit?
Just keep the picks, in the offseason sign a vet PG who can shoot (Monte Morris, Tyus Jones), use Toronto's pick on Dillingham and the Spurs own on Sarr if available, if not maybe shop it or trade down to pick a wing prospect (Cody Williams, Buzelis, Holland, etc). Use the 2nd rounder on a backup big like Adem Bona, and thank Bassey for rendered services and send him home.
Then try to find a 3&D guy who won't command a lot, and ask Pop whether he wants to retire or actually coach this team for a change.
That right there should be enough to at least be in play in contention and not piss off Vic, and the team remains flexible and loaded with assets when a REAL star becomes available, where you can use Collins' awful contract and other players and picks. If not, dump his contract in the '25 offseason (by then, an expiring) for a few 2nds and make a max offer for Donovan Mitchell or Markkanen, or bring back Derrick.
In all honesty, I believe this is a much more solid plan long term than emptying the Spurs' pockets for a quick "fix" that may yield nothing but short term highlights and long term tears.

You think a 10-40 team, with Monte Morris/Tre Jones older brother + unproven 6’3” pg who’ll more likely be Reed Sheppard than Dillingham and some anonymous 3/D player is making the play in?

[Ariel]

You think a 10-40 team, with Monte Morris/Tre Jones older brother + unproven 6’3” pg who’ll more likely be Reed Sheppard than Dillingham and some anonymous 3/D player is making the play in?
I said "be in play in contention", as in don't be out by the all star break. Just be competitive, respectable, and continue growing. A hell of a lot of the Spurs problems come from roster make up and coaching, I don't see why a team with the current young core a year older, playing EVERY SECOND OF EVERY GAME WITH A CAPABLE PG WHO CAN SHOOT, a wing or 2 that can defend and shoot, and a rim protector when Vic is out, with COACHING AND ACCOUNTABILITY (i.e., Vassell doesn't take a long, contested 3 when Vic is open for a 2 that will be enough, and says he'll do it again after the game). Take a look at the stands, Houston, Golden State, Brooklyn are not far from the play in and are barely playing above 0.400.

[vy65]

I said "be in play in contention", as in don't be out by the all star break. Just be competitive, respectable, and continue growing. A hell of a lot of the Spurs problems come from team make up and coaching, I don't see why a team with the current young core a year older, playing EVERY SECOND OF EVERY GAME WITH A CAPABLE PG WHO CAN SHOOT, a wing who can defend and shoot, and a rim protector when Vic is out, AND ACCOUNTABILITY (i.e., Vassell doesn't take a long, contested 3 when Vic is open for a 2 that will be enough, and says he'll do it again after the game). Take a look at the stands, Houston, Golden State, Brooklyn are not far from the play in and are barely playing above 0.400

Even if I spotted that team 100% more wins than this current iteration has, that would make them 20-30, which would be good enough for 13th in the conference and a solid 5 games out of the 10th spot. The Grizz are currently 6.5 games out, so even a generous view of that proposed teams competitiveness would not have them in play-in contention.

This team has a fundamental talent problem. Vassell, it’s second best player, is a fourth option on a contending team. Sochan might have promise. Keldon should be a 7th-8th man. Tre is fine, I guess. Everyone else is flotsam. Adding more flotsam/unprovens who need 3-5 years to develop is not a path to success when Vic could be a top 25 player next year.

They should seriously consider monetizing some of their assets. Bird in hand isn’t always worth 2 in the bush.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Even if I spotted that team 100% more wins than this current iteration has, that would make them 20-30, which would be good enough for 13th in the conference and a solid 5 games out of the 10th spot. The Grizz are currently 6.5 games out, so even a generous view of that proposed teams competitiveness would not have them in play-in contention.

This team has a fundamental talent problem. Vassell, it’s second best player, is a fourth option on a contending team. Sochan might have promise. Keldon should be a 7th-8th man. Tre is fine, I guess. Everyone else is flotsam. Adding more flotsam/unprovens who need 3-5 years to develop is not a path to success when Vic could be a top 25 player next year.

They should seriously consider monetizing some of their assets. Bird in hand isn’t always worth 2 in the bush.

Well, of course if you label any potential prospect coming in as 'flotsam' your argument is perfect.

Of course that gratuitous characterization is shit.

[baseline bum]

With the Spurs own pick my target is Sarr, if unavailable I said trade down and pick a lesser prospect. Just because Ignite is bad doesn't mean the prospects necessarily will be, they have huge question marks but in a draft class where everyone does, at a certain price tag it becomes a worthwhile risk. I remember distinctly people saying that Eason was dumb as a brick, that GG Jackson was undraftable, lots of strong mainstream takes are the reason prospects slide and value picks are made. They may not pan out, or you may hit a home run.
Dillingham is too small, a lot of teams will pass on that archetype and are already set at PG (Detroit, Charlotte, Portland, Memphis, Atlanta, etc). Maybe Washington could pick up Dillingham, but I think they'll try a wing first. He's really talented, and in a draft where every player seems flawed, the trick may be to pick one who actually has tangible strengths. Mid term he'll help Vic and the team, If long term he isn't conducive to winning you can always flip him for something else. The key is not to burn the pick into another Primo. Spurs have repeatedly failed when trying to outsmart themselves (Vassell over Halliburton, Primo over Sengun, etc), just take a guy who you know can play... and Dillingham can.

The two Ignite guys can't shoot, they're both like 27% from the three point line. And trade down to where? If the Spurs fall to #4 in the draft, which will happen with a probability of 60% or higher, Dillingham is probably going to be the best player available. If you want him there is no trading down.

[vy65]

Well, of course if you label any potential prospect coming in as 'flotsam' your argument is perfect.

Of course that gratuitous characterization is shit.

This was a necessary comment. As always, many thanks for your contributions.

[vy65]

The two Ignite guys can't shoot, they're both like 27% from the three point line. And trade down to where? If the Spurs fall to #4 in the draft, which will happen with a probability of 60% or higher, Dillingham is probably going to be the best player available. If you want him there is no trading down.

I like Dillingham, but does anyone think his ceiling is #2 on a contending team?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This was a necessary comment. As always, many thanks for your contributions.

Of course it was. Your entire argument was fluff around that you think uncertain prospects are 'flotsam.'

We can go into why it is gratuitous shit if you like. It should be obvious but YMMV.

[baseline bum]

I like Dillingham, but does anyone think his ceiling is #2 on a contending team?

Probably, but I think he's the second best bet in this draft at getting an allstar after Sarr.

[vy65]

Of course it was. Your entire argument was fluff around that you think uncertain prospects are 'flotsam.'

We can go into why it is gratuitous shit if you like. It should be obvious but YMMV.

Somebody really wants some attention tonight.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Somebody really wants some attention tonight.

Nah. I just think that grouping all potential prospects with the ones you do not like on the squad as a disparaging characterization is not a good argument.

ie gratuitous shit.

[BacktoBasics]

With the Spurs own pick my target is Sarr, if unavailable I said trade down and pick a lesser prospect. Just because Ignite is bad doesn't mean the prospects necessarily will be, they have huge question marks but in a draft class where everyone does, at a certain price tag it becomes a worthwhile risk. I remember distinctly people saying that Eason was dumb as a brick, that GG Jackson was undraftable, lots of strong mainstream takes are the reason prospects slide and value picks are made. They may not pan out, or you may hit a home run.
Dillingham is too small, a lot of teams will pass on that archetype and are already set at PG (Detroit, Charlotte, Portland, Memphis, Atlanta, etc). Maybe Washington could pick up Dillingham, but I think they'll try a wing first. He's really talented, and in a draft where every player seems flawed, the trick may be to pick one who actually has tangible strengths. Mid term he'll help Vic and the team, If long term he isn't conducive to winning you can always flip him for something else. The key is not to burn the pick into another Primo. Spurs have repeatedly failed when trying to outsmart themselves (Vassell over Halliburton, Primo over Sengun, etc), just take a guy who you know can play... and Dillingham can.
Out of curiosity when has trading back from a top 6 pick worked out? I’d be interested in that.

[vy65]

Nah. I just think that grouping all potential prospects with the ones you do not like on the squad as a disparaging characterization is not a good argument.

ie gratuitous shit.

Not an accurate description of what I said, but your pathology for attention is on display. Try again sweet cheeks.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This team has a fundamental talent problem. Vassell, it’s second best player, is a fourth option on a contending team. Sochan might have promise. Keldon should be a 7th-8th man. Tre is fine, I guess. Everyone else is flotsam. Adding more flotsam/unprovens who need 3-5 years to develop is not a path to success when Vic could be a top 25 player next year.

Now we can go through line by line and demonstrate how you did each of those things semantically.

The only pathology I see here is dissembling from you.

[vy65]

Even if I spotted that team 100% more wins than this current iteration has, that would make them 20-30, which would be good enough for 13th in the conference and a solid 5 games out of the 10th spot. The Grizz are currently 6.5 games out, so even a generous view of that proposed teams competitiveness would not have them in play-in contention.

This team has a fundamental talent problem. Vassell, it’s second best player, is a fourth option on a contending team. Sochan might have promise. Keldon should be a 7th-8th man. Tre is fine, I guess. Everyone else is flotsam. Adding more flotsam/unprovens who need 3-5 years to develop is not a path to success when Vic could be a top 25 player next year.

They should seriously consider monetizing some of their assets. Bird in hand isn’t always worth 2 in the bush.


Well, of course if you label any potential prospect coming in as 'flotsam' your argument is perfect.

Of course that gratuitous characterization is shit.

You don’t understand English. And this was a super necessary argument to have in the first place. Great job baby.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You don’t understand English. And this was a super necessary argument to have in the first place. Great job baby.

Now underline the next sentence where you group anyone else brought in as shit. The context is you shitting on Dillingham.

[Ariel]

Out of curiosity when has trading back from a top 6 pick worked out? I’d be interested in that.
Does the Mavs moving from 6 (Robert Tractor Traylor) to no. 9 (Dirk Nowitzki) ring a bell? Last year Mavs moved back from 10 to 12, dumped Bertans and still got their guy in Lively.
I'm not saying it necessarily works every time, but if you really don't love anyone and you think it's the same tier of players several spots below, why not move back and pick up assets if possible?

[vy65]

Now underline the next sentence where you group anyone else brought in as shit. The context is you shitting on Dillingham.

No, you stupid fucking disingenuous piece of shit. That’s why I said “unprovens who need 3-5 years to develop.”

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No, you stupid fucking disingenuous piece of shit. That’s why I said “unprovens who need 3-5 years to develop.”

And I said unproven prospects before.

Squirm more. Your argument that the club should trade away assets for proven talent because they might be flotsam is harebrained nonsense. Deal with it.

[vy65]

And I said unproven veterans before.

Squirm more. Your argument that the club should trade away assets for proven talent because they might be flotsam is harebrained nonsense. Deal with it.

I don’t give a shit what you were saying. I literally wasn’t responding to you. I’m not squirming at all. I’m just calling you out for being a lying piece of shit who refuses to accept basic reality because you have some sick pathology for picking unnecessary internet fights. Seek help bro, hope you get better.

[Ariel]

The two Ignite guys can't shoot, they're both like 27% from the three point line. And trade down to where? If the Spurs fall to #4 in the draft, which will happen with a probability of 60% or higher, Dillingham is probably going to be the best player available. If you want him there is no trading down.
Buzelis was supposedly a 40% shooter from 3 before Ignite, the program is so dysfunctional that taking a gamble that he's better than numbers currently indicate isn't crazy, or something that hasn't happened before. There are lots of reasons why a prospect may be underperforming, most of the times it's an accurate reflection of their capabilities, but not always. I wouldn't take that gamble on a pick in the 2-5 range, but I might in the late lottery. Say, for instance, OKC wants to jump up from 12 & 13, they give you one of those and a future pick, you take the gamble and keep an extra asset. I'm saying it's a possibility to consider, of course the chance isn't always there.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don’t give a shit what you were saying. I literally wasn’t responding to you. I’m not squirming at all. I’m just calling you out for being a lying piece of shit who refuses to accept basic reality because you have some sick pathology for picking unnecessary internet fights. Seek help bro, hope you get better.

For someone that doesn't give a shit what I think you do a whole lot of ad hominem. I refuse to take the bait and have maintained the issue. If you want to play victim and whine as your defense go for it.

You do not like ambiguity and prefer a more sure thing. That is fine but could you possibly understand how the Spurs feel player development is their competitive advantage -as it has been in the past- and why they may want to go that route?

[TD 21]

Remember when so many wanted Spurs to trade firsts for Quickley just to be forced to pay him in free agency? He’s a solid player, but hes not doing anything to elevate TOR at all and Im very happy with benefit of hindsight SA did not bite on that type of deal.

Spurs can do better than Quickley for the money/picks he did/would have/will commanded.

It was a 1st, it's been a small sample size (with Poeltl mostly out and Barrett and him in and out) and the team sucks even if healthy.

Of course he can't singlehandedly elevate a team; few can.



Even if I spotted that team 100% more wins than this current iteration has, that would make them 20-30, which would be good enough for 13th in the conference and a solid 5 games out of the 10th spot. The Grizz are currently 6.5 games out, so even a generous view of that proposed teams competitiveness would not have them in play-in contention.

This team has a fundamental talent problem. Vassell, it’s second best player, is a fourth option on a contending team. Sochan might have promise. Keldon should be a 7th-8th man. Tre is fine, I guess. Everyone else is flotsam. Adding more flotsam/unprovens who need 3-5 years to develop is not a path to success when Vic could be a top 25 player next year.

They should seriously consider monetizing some of their assets. Bird in hand isn’t always worth 2 in the bush.

So many do not comprehend how this league works now, how talented it is, how far off this team is from even being competitively bad, how likely they are to remain beneath that line for the foreseeable future with the glacial approach they want to see and what that will likely begin doing to the relationship with Wembanyama if it persists.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We tried to replace AJ with everyone from Rivers to Claxton. We tried to replace Mario Elie with Dale Ellis and Steve Smith. We tried to replace Sean Elliot with Richard Jefferson.

They were all 'proven vets' that did little more that provide a veneer of contending. We won championships because of guys we drafted and developed and then added pieces onto. Not the other way around.

[objective]

We tried to replace AJ with everyone from Rivers to Claxton. We tried to replace Mario Elie with Dale Ellis and Steve Smith. We tried to replace Sean Elliot with Richard Jefferson.

They were all 'proven vets' that did little more that provide a veneer of contending. We won championships because of guys we drafted and developed and then added pieces onto. Not the other way around.

Dale Ellis was before Elie.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Dale Ellis was before Elie.

Fair but we were trying to replace Anderson at that point. That whole team was a microcosm of how to build to the cusp of contending bringing in vets like Cummings and Carr and then bringing in Robinson. Led us to their peak in 95.

I would also add us bringing in Aldridge to replace Robinson/Duncan.

All proven vets with all star appearances. Led to nothing.

[Notorious H.O.P.]

https://www.si.com/nba/knicks/trade-rumors/new-york-knicks-trade-rumors-keldon-johnson-san-antonio-spurs-immanuel-quickley-replacement

Someone threw out a possible Fournier, Grimes and 1st round pick for Keldon. Any takers?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's been awhile but Bob Bass used to love to trade away picks for proven vets too. He was overrated as hell.

[BacktoBasics]

Does the Mavs moving from 6 (Robert Tractor Traylor) to no. 9 (Dirk Nowitzki) ring a bell? Last year Mavs moved back from 10 to 12, dumped Bertans and still got their guy in Lively.
I'm not saying it necessarily works every time, but if you really don't love anyone and you think it's the same tier of players several spots below, why not move back and pick up assets if possible?

Yeah that’s a good example. It was a genuine question. Not sarcasm. I’d still be interested in a big picture perspective of moving down.

[Obstructed_View]

We tried to replace AJ with everyone from Rivers to Claxton. We tried to replace Mario Elie with Dale Ellis and Steve Smith. We tried to replace Sean Elliot with Richard Jefferson.

They were all 'proven vets' that did little more that provide a veneer of contending. We won championships because of guys we drafted and developed and then added pieces onto. Not the other way around.
This may be the stupidest post in the history of ST. Dale Ellis left five years before Mario was here. Speedy was Parker's backup. RJ was a small ball 4 a decade after Sean left.

Jesus. :lol

[objective]

https://www.si.com/nba/knicks/trade-rumors/new-york-knicks-trade-rumors-keldon-johnson-san-antonio-spurs-immanuel-quickley-replacement

Someone threw out a possible Fournier, Grimes and 1st round pick for Keldon. Any takers?

Hmmmmm

Probably not my idea of a fair deal. Grimes is looking to get paid and even an MLE salary from another team starts close to 13, not a huge amount of savings on Keldon for a worse player. And the Knicks available firsts include a lot of fake firsts that are even worse than the Spurs fake Charlotte first

[scott]

The idea of trading back always sounds nice… but who is going to want to trade up in this draft? Moving down might be tough, and riskier that normal.

[ambchang]

The part I don’t understand about the all in crowd is what happens after we got that vet? Say a Trae jones. Now the war chest is depleted, we may be able to trade keldon or Vassell for some protected firsts. Then what? Trae and wemby gets you to a low playoff seed, I’d say 4th seed at best. Then we got picks in the late teens early twenties after that with little change of improvement.

[exstatic]

https://www.si.com/nba/knicks/trade-rumors/new-york-knicks-trade-rumors-keldon-johnson-san-antonio-spurs-immanuel-quickley-replacement

Someone threw out a possible Fournier, Grimes and 1st round pick for Keldon. Any takers?

It would depend on the pick.

[Ocotillo]

In the Trae Young thread, Ex mentioned Devonte being worth a lot at the trade deadline to a second apron team, or one approaching it.

Last night I was thinking about why aren't they playing him more than they are and I was wondering if he would be moved or bought out (not sure he can be bought out this season) to open up the roster spot to convert Dom Barlow to a contract and roster spot?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This may be the stupidest post in the history of ST. Dale Ellis left five years before Mario was here. Speedy was Parker's backup. RJ was a small ball 4 a decade after Sean left.

Jesus. :lol

I love people that find an error in a point of fact and act like they have accomplished something.

I already discussed Dale Ellis. Different time period than Smith but a similar move in futility.

Claxton was brought in and Pop went with a draft pick that season and long term but Claxton was the last of the replacements. You really seem to miss the forest for a tree in your nitpicking on that one. Your accomplishment is marred.

You're right, it was Bowen we were replacing. My point still stays the same. I can understand why the Spurs might not be interested in trading away assets for all star or similarly valued veterans. Take a good deal of course but there is no need to act desperate.

[CGD]

https://www.si.com/nba/knicks/trade-rumors/new-york-knicks-trade-rumors-keldon-johnson-san-antonio-spurs-immanuel-quickley-replacement

Someone threw out a possible Fournier, Grimes and 1st round pick for Keldon. Any takers?

I think the Spurs value him way higher than that.

[CorrectCrusader]

The part I don’t understand about the all in crowd is what happens after we got that vet? Say a Trae jones. Now the war chest is depleted, we may be able to trade keldon or Vassell for some protected firsts. Then what? Trae and wemby gets you to a low playoff seed, I’d say 4th seed at best. Then we got picks in the late teens early twenties after that with little change of improvement.

The war chest isn't even close to depleted. We have a lot more picks than you guys think.

[KobesAchilles]

I love people that find an error in a point of fact and act like they have accomplished something.

I already discussed Dale Ellis. Different time period than Smith but a similar move in futility.

Claxton was brought in and Pop went with a draft pick that season and long term but Claxton was the last of the replacements. You really seem to miss the forest for a tree in your nitpicking on that one. Your accomplishment is marred.

You're right, it was Bowen we were replacing. My point still stays the same. I can understand why the Spurs might not be interested in trading away assets for all star or similarly valued veterans. Take a good deal of course but there is no need to act desperate.
The problem with your post (besides not knowing the timeline of players) is that it doesn’t apply to our current roster. Those rosters you spoke of already had plenty of veteran talent. What they didn’t have is young talent. We had the big 3 which were all vets, and Robinson was a vet along with the majority of that 95 team. So we were really replacing veteran talent for other veterans.

The spurs this year have no vet talent to speak of. So that is something we are missing. So getting the youngest team in the NBA some actual veteran talent isn’t a bad thing. Even if we overpay for it. PG13 is my dream addition. But I would still like Klay or Middleton should they become available (and it’s looking more likely that they are available).

[exstatic]

The war chest isn't even close to depleted. We have a lot more picks than you guys think.

The rest of the picks, except maybe Toronto, are extremely mid. The war chest IS the unprotected picks we got from ATL, which they will certainly want back.

[ambchang]

The war chest isn't even close to depleted. We have a lot more picks than you guys think.

Depends on the trade, if we are giving all of Atlanta's picks and swaps back, the only really valuable piece left is the Mavs swap. Which ones am I missing?

[baseline bum]

Depends on the trade, if we are giving all of Atlanta's picks and swaps back, the only really valuable piece left is the Mavs swap. Which ones am I missing?

Still got the Boston swap (protection against only the top pick in '28)

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The problem with your post (besides not knowing the timeline of players) is that it doesn’t apply to our current roster. Those rosters you spoke of already had plenty of veteran talent. What they didn’t have is young talent. We had the big 3 which were all vets, and Robinson was a vet along with the majority of that 95 team. So we were really replacing veteran talent for other veterans.

The spurs this year have no vet talent to speak of. So that is something we are missing. So getting the youngest team in the NBA some actual veteran talent isn’t a bad thing. Even if we overpay for it. PG13 is my dream addition. But I would still like Klay or Middleton should they become available (and it’s looking more likely that they are available).

I already spoke to that regarding Dale Ellis. Cummings, Carr, and Jones were brought in too. That got us to that team's peak in 95 which was quite the whimper.

Much like trying to find help for Robinson there, we have not had fortune in finding all star talent partner's for our cornerstone's from other team's castoffs. A lot of those player's I mentioned were not acquired via trade either. With a trade the cost increases for what is at best a questionable benefit.

As for Wemby needing veteran help, this is not Robinson coming from 2 years of Naval service or Barkley needing Moses Malone to show him how to train and eat. Wemby was a professional for several years and eats and trains as well as anyone in the league already. Popovich has repeatedly talked about how he does not have to worry about Wemby's professionalism.

What they are trying to do is rebuild a Spur's culture. Pop used to call it corporate knowledge but now they are starting over creating the Wemby version. I am fine with acquiring talent but the reward from 'proven veterans' in finding core players for our championships has been meager.

[LeBowen]

Am I missing something or the number of potential (realistic) trade targets over the next year or two isn't that good?
*I personally don't want some of these players, just listing all the possible options. I'll try to keep it to younger players unless they're free agents this summer

Boston: Derrick if they don't offer him an extension.
Cleveland: Garland if they keep Mitchell, Okoro if they decide to move him.
Philadelphia: Tobias Harris is a free agent this summer
Indiana: Nembhard if he asks for a bigger role, Toppin lost some minutes with Siakam trade, Hield is a free agent this summer
Miami: Herro with Spurs as a third team to enable the trade
Atlanta: Trae, DJ
Brooklyn: Bridges, Johnson, Claxton
Charlotte: PJ Washington
Wizards: Tyus Jones
Detroit: Monte Morris
New Orleans: Herb Jones, Valanciunas is a free agent this summer

I don't think some others like Kuminga/Moody are realistic targets, maybe I'm wrong.
Many teams have stars that are close to 30 or older, with younger stars being untouchable.
Not many role players are available, either, we missed our chance to take a swing at Quickley or OG.

If Spurs don't want Trae, I'd wait and see how Derrick's situation in Boston develops. If they fail again this year, I'm sure they'll make some moves and they're not going to be able to offer him a good deal due to their cap space. He could be brought back for a fairly low price and would be great for Wemby. He'd also be a great mentor for a rookie point guard and could share the floor with him because of his size.

Tobias and Buddy Hield are two free agency targets Spurs should try for, imo. But only if it's a 3 year deal, not longer.
Nets are asking way too much for their players, with both Bridges and Johnson being 28 before the next season starts.

I put Herb on the list because of reports that he's unhappy, but I don't think Pelicans want to trade him.

Obviously crazy stuff like Luka asking out can happen, but there's no way Mavs would ever trade him to the Spurs.

[spurraider21]

Still got the Boston swap (protection against only the top pick in '28)
they'll still have tatum and brown in their primes by then, its not really a given that it will convey at all

[exstatic]

they'll still have tatum and brown in their primes by then, its not really a given that it will convey at all

Nah, a player’s prime doesn’t last that long. Tatum will be 30, and Brown 32 when the following season starts, but more importantly, as their skills diminish, their pay continues to grow. They expect that, so Boston will either have to offload one, or strip their roster bare to pay both. That’s already kind of started.

[rjv]

So many do not comprehend how this league works now, how talented it is, how far off this team is from even being competitively bad, how likely they are to remain beneath that line for the foreseeable future with the glacial approach they want to see and what that will likely begin doing to the relationship with Wembanyama if it persists.

I think we've found our run-on sentence of the year winner.

[Mr. Body]

Celtics will be one to watch. Jrue will be done by then, Porzingis will be early 30s, White will be mid-30s. Their big problem in the next few years is the cap and tax aprons. Brown makes a ridiculous amount of money, $53 million in 2025-2026, for example, when Tatum has a player option for $37 million and wanting his next contract -- he'll want at least as much as Brown is getting.

This year's cap is slightly lower than expected. It'll go up every year but the media/revenue environment is less expansive than they might have thought. They're gonna have trouble replenishing their role-players and second rank guys. Bad draft picks. Getting Porzingis was a stroke of genius this year but he'll only pay out for 2-4 years at most. Horford is very important but is about done.

[exstatic]

Celtics will be one to watch. Jrue will be done by then, Porzingis will be early 30s, White will be mid-30s. Their big problem in the next few years is the cap and tax aprons. Brown makes a ridiculous amount of money, $53 million in 2025-2026, for example, when Tatum has a player option for $37 million and wanting his next contract -- he'll want at least as much as Brown is getting.

This year's cap is slightly lower than expected. It'll go up every year but the media/revenue environment is less expansive than they might have thought. They're gonna have trouble replenishing their role-players and second rank guys. Bad draft picks. Getting Porzingis was a stroke of genius this year but he'll only pay out for 2-4 years at most. Horford is very important but is about done.

This. The DW trade was made before the enactment of the 2nd apron, or they might not have included the swap. They’re under tax stress already, and it won’t improve over the next 4 years.

[baseline bum]

they'll still have tatum and brown in their primes by then, its not really a given that it will convey at all

And Doncic will still be in his prime in 2030. A lot can happen in four years in Boston. They could keep being bridesmaids and Tatum forces his way out to try to win elsewhere. They could have injuries in 2027-28. Racist Boston fan could come shit in Tatum's bed and he asks out. etc :lol

[Mr. Body]

Definitely can see Boston continue to be competitive as Brown and Tatum are in their primes, but the rest of the team will be hard to keep up. Hope by then the Spurs will be starting to peak with Wembanyama only like 24 years old. The swap could move us up 10-15 spots even if Boston isn't a lottery/play-in risk.

[MultiTroll]

Don't want either of the Boston prima donna loser phaggots.
Unless it is for vet minimum. Even then would have to consider if they would pollute the team.

[Mr. Body]

Don't want either of the Boston prima donna loser phaggots.
Unless it is for vet minimum. Even then would have to consider if they would pollute the team.

You... you don't know what is being swapped, do you?

[exstatic]

You... you don't know what is being swapped, do you?

MT is the Forest Gump of basketball.

[SpurSpike]

MT is the Forest Gump of basketball.

Is that supposed to be an insult? Forrest Gump wasn't book smart but he was very intelligent and successful.

[exstatic]

Is that supposed to be an insult? Forrest Gump wasn't book smart but he was very intelligent and successful.

He was the opposite of intelligent, literally an idiot who was in the right place at the right time multiple times, through none of his own doing. THEY LITERALLY HAD TO DROP A BANNER TO STOP HIM FROM RUNNING OUT OF THE STADIUM.

[MultiTroll]

Jealousy issues ^^


Is that supposed to be an insult? Forrest Gump wasn't book smart but he was very intelligent and successful.

[Leetonidas]

Is that supposed to be an insult? Forrest Gump wasn't book smart but he was very intelligent and successful.

What? He was literally retarded :lol but by being a good person he caught a lot of lucky breaks. He was not "very intelligent" whatsoever:lol

[Ariel]

Holy crap, all these years and I come to find out that Forrest Gump was actually retarded!!! You guys are sharp :lol

[baseline bum]

What? He was literally retarded :lol but by being a good person he caught a lot of lucky breaks. He was not "very intelligent" whatsoever:lol

Most retarded part of the movie was that it was supposed to make you have faith in America, like even this shit for brains can become a billionaire because USA USA and because of the strength of his character.

[JPB]

I think we've found our run-on sentence of the year winner.

It's indeed not because spurs should do something that they should do anything and jump on the first Trae passing by. They didn't patiently come to the sitation they are now to waste their cap and picks on the first star available. Wemby is accelarating things and putting pressure on them to give him some help but also pressure to bring the right guys.

[RC_Drunkford]

Fair but we were trying to replace Anderson at that point. That whole team was a microcosm of how to build to the cusp of contending bringing in vets like Cummings and Carr and then bringing in Robinson. Led us to their peak in 95.

I would also add us bringing in Aldridge to replace Robinson/Duncan.

All proven vets with all star appearances. Led to nothing.

Either you haven't watched the Spurs or you suffer from Alzheimers, cause RJ was supposed to replace Bruce Bowen, not Sean Elliott

[R. DeMurre]

Fair but we were trying to replace Anderson at that point. That whole team was a microcosm of how to build to the cusp of contending bringing in vets like Cummings and Carr and then bringing in Robinson. Led us to their peak in 95.

I would also add us bringing in Aldridge to replace Robinson/Duncan.

All proven vets with all star appearances. Led to nothing.


I'm not the biggest Aldridge fan, but I think it's overstating the facts to say it led to nothing. The Spurs won 67 and 61 games in his first two seasons, and lost in the conference finals to an all time great team after Kawhi was injured. I don't think you can categorize those seasons as complete failures.

[rjv]

Is that supposed to be an insult? Forrest Gump wasn't book smart but he was very intelligent and successful.

anyone who put up with Jenny the way he did would have to be an idiot.

[baseline bum]

anyone who put up with Jenny the way he did would have to be an idiot.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUJZOV9pTMo

[TD 21]

The part I don’t understand about the all in crowd is what happens after we got that vet? Say a Trae jones. Now the war chest is depleted, we may be able to trade keldon or Vassell for some protected firsts. Then what? Trae and wemby gets you to a low playoff seed, I’d say 4th seed at best. Then we got picks in the late teens early twenties after that with little change of improvement.

With the quantity and quality of draft capital the Spurs have, it'd be almost impossible to go "all-in".

There's a middle ground they need to walk between that and "standing pat".


We tried to replace AJ with everyone from Rivers to Claxton. We tried to replace Mario Elie with Dale Ellis and Steve Smith. We tried to replace Sean Elliot with Richard Jefferson.

They were all 'proven vets' that did little more that provide a veneer of contending. We won championships because of guys we drafted and developed and then added pieces onto. Not the other way around.




What they are trying to do is rebuild a Spur's culture. Pop used to call it corporate knowledge but now they are starting over creating the Wemby version. I am fine with acquiring talent but the reward from 'proven veterans' in finding core players for our championships has been meager.

Just because certain things didn't work out in the past, they shouldn't be overly cautious in that regard moving forward.

Trying to recreate the past is a fool's errand. Almost everything about that was unique.


I think we've found our run-on sentence of the year winner.

Resorting to the old ad homenim/grammar response is the surest sign that one concedes.

[rjv]

With the quantity and quality of draft capital the Spurs have, it'd be almost impossible to go "all-in".

There's a middle ground they need to walk between that and "standing pat".





Just because certain things didn't work out in the past, they shouldn't be overly cautious in that regard moving forward.

Trying to recreate the past is a fool's errand. Almost everything about that was unique.



Resorting to the old ad homenim/grammar response is the surest sign that one concedes.

Actually, I was so distracted by my pedantic obsession with the grammar that I never really even paid attention to what you were talking about. I mean, just because I made a joke about the grammar doesn't mean one should infer I didn't agree with you.

[RC_Drunkford]

Am I missing something or the number of potential (realistic) trade targets over the next year or two isn't that good?
*I personally don't want some of these players, just listing all the possible options. I'll try to keep it to younger players unless they're free agents this summer

Boston: Derrick if they don't offer him an extension.
Cleveland: Garland if they keep Mitchell, Okoro if they decide to move him.
Philadelphia: Tobias Harris is a free agent this summer
Indiana: Nembhard if he asks for a bigger role, Toppin lost some minutes with Siakam trade, Hield is a free agent this summer
Miami: Herro with Spurs as a third team to enable the trade
Atlanta: Trae, DJ
Brooklyn: Bridges, Johnson, Claxton
Charlotte: PJ Washington
Wizards: Tyus Jones
Detroit: Monte Morris
New Orleans: Herb Jones, Valanciunas is a free agent this summer

I don't think some others like Kuminga/Moody are realistic targets, maybe I'm wrong.
Many teams have stars that are close to 30 or older, with younger stars being untouchable.
Not many role players are available, either, we missed our chance to take a swing at Quickley or OG.

If Spurs don't want Trae, I'd wait and see how Derrick's situation in Boston develops. If they fail again this year, I'm sure they'll make some moves and they're not going to be able to offer him a good deal due to their cap space. He could be brought back for a fairly low price and would be great for Wemby. He'd also be a great mentor for a rookie point guard and could share the floor with him because of his size.

Tobias and Buddy Hield are two free agency targets Spurs should try for, imo. But only if it's a 3 year deal, not longer.
Nets are asking way too much for their players, with both Bridges and Johnson being 28 before the next season starts.

I put Herb on the list because of reports that he's unhappy, but I don't think Pelicans want to trade him.

Obviously crazy stuff like Luka asking out can happen, but there's no way Mavs would ever trade him to the Spurs.

there's a changing of the guard happening in the NBA. The majority of star players that we know are reaching the tail end of their career, while a new generation of stars emerges. The Spurs should try to trade for a 2nd star soon, but there aren't many young ones out there that are available. Another aproach would be to find that emerging star player, like Mavs Jalen Brunson or OKC Harden. A guy who can become that, but is stuck behind other players on the roster when it comes to usage.

[rascal]

Trade for Jordan Hawkins while he may still be cheap to trade for.

Spurs need to add shooting.

Keldon for Jordan Hawkins and Herb Jones

[tonight...you]

Actually, I was so distracted by my pedantic obsession with the grammar that I never really even paid attention to what you were talking about. I mean, just because I made a joke about the grammar doesn't mean one should infer I didn't agree with you.
Yeah. What would you be conceding if you weren't arguing over anything?