Spurs trade ideas

[TD 21]

I'm not sure CJ is worth two firsts. My idea was CJ and 26 or 27 for KJ and the 14th pick. Spurs would essentially be trading back 12 or 13 spots, still getting a first, and swapping out a ill-fitting player for a better option. Rebounding would be a concern, but I'm not as worried about defense.

He isn't (not "good" ones at least, or he'd have been traded at the deadline), but my point is, I don't think they've went from that to settling for a worse Johnson and trading up 12-13 spots, when as I said, they're not far off as is with 19 and between that 26 and 27, can likely trade into that range if they want.



1930606043815383159

Highly doubt there’s interest here and feels like pure speculation, but posting nevertheless. Think I’d throw up if we traded for Jaylen Brown tbh :lol

Spurs supposedly had interest years ago and he seems their type, but he's a 3/2 wing (not the 4/3 type they need), is overrated, has a bloated contract, relatively poor feel and is athletically reliant, mediocre shooting and going on 29.

If I were the Celtics, I'd offer him for 2, Vassell, Barnes, salary filler (Branham/Wesley), the '28 swap rights extinguished and another 1st and if I were the Spurs, I wouldn't even consider it.

[RC_Drunkford]

The thing with Vassell is that the Spurs are forced to trade him if they want KD. Otherwise you trade Keldon, Barnes, Wesley and Branham for him and have nothing else left to trade except for Sochan, when you still need a back up C and starting forward next to KD.

Besides that you‘d also only have about 15 million in cap room left before you cross the taxline, to fill out the roster which means you can’t even use the full MLE to sign somebody else. So I don't really see an avenue to keep Devin if we trade for KD, unless we want to bring in 3 rookies and 4 players on minimum deals.

[exstatic]

The thing with Vassell is that the Spurs are forced to trade him if they want KD. Otherwise you trade Keldon, Barnes, Wesley and Branham for him and have nothing else left to trade except for Sochan, when you still need a back up C and starting forward next to KD.

Besides that you‘d also only have about 15 million in cap room left before you cross the taxline, to fill out the roster which means you can’t even use the full MLE to sign somebody else. So I don't really see an avenue to keep Devin if we trade for KD, unless we want to bring in 3 rookies and 4 players on minimum deals.

At that point you need most of a roster, having traded four of your 10 players under contract for one player.

[sfernald]

At that point you need most of a roster, having traded four of your 10 players under contract for one player.


I mean we are talking about keldon, Wesley and Branham so it’s not the worst idea right?

[baseline bum]

He isn't (not "good" ones at least, or he'd have been traded at the deadline), but my point is, I don't think they've went from that to settling for a worse Johnson and trading up 12-13 spots, when as I said, they're not far off as is with 19 and between that 26 and 27, can likely trade into that range if they want.




Spurs supposedly had interest years ago and he seems their type, but he's a 3/2 wing (not the 4/3 type they need), is overrated, has a bloated contract, relatively poor feel and is athletically reliant, mediocre shooting and going on 29.

If I were the Celtics, I'd offer him for 2, Vassell, Barnes, salary filler (Branham/Wesley), the '28 swap rights extinguished and another 1st and if I were the Spurs, I wouldn't even consider it.

On top of his ridiculous contract for a mid ass player he's also about to have meniscus surgery. I wouldn't trade Branham and Wesley for him. I wouldn't even trade Bonner and Blair for him. He's a highly negative value contract at four more years of vet 35% supermax. He's nearly as toxic as Beal.

[baseline bum]

1930606043815383159

Highly doubt there’s interest here and feels like pure speculation, but posting nevertheless. Think I’d throw up if we traded for Jaylen Brown tbh :lol

Don't know why the Spurs would ever swoop in to save the Celtics from their fuck up. Boston got their title out of it but he adds nothing but negative value to the Spurs.

[exstatic]

I mean we are talking about keldon, Wesley and Branham so it’s not the worst idea right?

You have to add 7 players with two exceptions. So, five players off the waiver wire? Wesley and Branham aren’t the cream of the crop, but they’re cheap, and they know the plays and the players.

[Ice009]

I was interested in Jaylen Brown back in the Kawhi days, but no-way do I want him now at his current contract. What are these guys smoking?

[mystargtr34]

Jaylen Brown is 30 next year, with heavy mileage, taking on that contract and giving up number 2 would be foolish on the spurs part

[tbdog]

Why doesn't the Celtics trade Brown for Lillard and their unprotected 1st they have available? Lillard is expiring.

[RC_Drunkford]

Celtics fans wish the Spurs were that dumb. Just give them Vassell and Harper and boom they back. That won‘t happen.

[scott]

Jake Fischer’s livestream today (you can find on YouTube) he says that the people he’s talking to around the league say that KD is being viewed by most teams as a potential one year rental.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Why doesn't the Celtics trade Brown for Lillard and their unprotected 1st they have available? Lillard is expiring.

Because Lillard isn't expiring and also because they need immediate cap relief, not in 1 or 2 years.

They have to get creative and break down bigger contracts into mid-sized ones that they can then trade into other teams' MLEs or TEs (likely in 3- or 4- way trades). They need to shed at least $20 million, and maybe even try to get under the tax altogether and reset the repeater counter, which would be $40 mil at least.

[RC_Drunkford]

Jake Fischer’s livestream today (you can find on YouTube) he says that the people he’s talking to around the league say that KD is being viewed by most teams as a potential one year rental.

probably because he only wants to extend with the Spurs. According to Gambo the Suns haven't had trade talks since the trade deadline. Phoenix doesn't want KAT. KD's circle says he wants to come to San Antonio.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNomJLnjEgg&list=WL&index=3

[cd021]

He isn't (not "good" ones at least, or he'd have been traded at the deadline), but my point is, I don't think they've went from that to settling for a worse Johnson and trading up 12-13 spots, when as I said, they're not far off as is with 19 and between that 26 and 27, can likely trade into that range if they want.

I'm assuming that they shopped him to contenders, but few teams had two firsts to give up aside from OKC. The Thunder didn't bite, so his actual value may be closer to a mid- to late first.


They have been shopping him and 19 (https://sports.yahoo.com/article/nba-rumors-nets-exploring-cam-155312691.html) to move up to acquire a second lottery pick. However, the Raptors need that pick for a Giannis trade. They've also been linked to Kharman Maluach at nine. Houston's been linked to KD, and the Suns likely want that pick back since it was theirs.


The player they want probably is expected to go in the back half of the lottery, so they are trying to leapfrog the team they think might draft him. Or, just reaching out to those two teams because they are the most open about trading their picks.


If neither deal happens, then Keldon and 14 for Cam Johnson and 26 is a good deal considering they were trying to move up 10 spots. In this scenario, they'd be moving up 12 and getting a young player they might like. For all we know, the player they might want will still be available at 14.

[exstatic]

Why doesn't the Celtics trade Brown for Lillard and their unprotected 1st they have available? Lillard is expiring.

He absolutely is not expiring. He has a $58M player option for 26-27 than he will 100% pick up.

[tbdog]

He absolutely is not expiring. He has a $58M player option for 26-27 than he will 100% pick up.

Thanks. Didn't realise that. Man, Bucks are proper done for.

[Seventyniner]

Jake Fischer’s livestream today (you can find on YouTube) he says that the people he’s talking to around the league say that KD is being viewed by most teams as a potential one year rental.

Good. Drives down his price even more.

[TD 21]

On top of his ridiculous contract for a mid ass player he's also about to have meniscus surgery. I wouldn't trade Branham and Wesley for him. I wouldn't even trade Bonner and Blair for him. He's a highly negative value contract at four more years of vet 35% supermax. He's nearly as toxic as Beal.

Same. He's Fox's caliber, which is fringe All-Star, but has a reputation like he's All-NBA and a contract like he's fringe MVP because he's been on the best team in the league in the first half of the 20s.



I'm assuming that they shopped him to contenders, but few teams had two firsts to give up aside from OKC. The Thunder didn't bite, so his actual value may be closer to a mid- to late first.


They have been shopping him and 19 (https://sports.yahoo.com/article/nba-rumors-nets-exploring-cam-155312691.html) to move up to acquire a second lottery pick. However, the Raptors need that pick for a Giannis trade. They've also been linked to Kharman Maluach at nine. Houston's been linked to KD, and the Suns likely want that pick back since it was theirs.


The player they want probably is expected to go in the back half of the lottery, so they are trying to leapfrog the team they think might draft him. Or, just reaching out to those two teams because they are the most open about trading their picks.


If neither deal happens, then Keldon and 14 for Cam Johnson and 26 is a good deal considering they were trying to move up 10 spots. In this scenario, they'd be moving up 12 and getting a young player they might like. For all we know, the player they might want will still be available at 14.

I get it, I just don't think they'd do it. I keep coming back to, between 19, 26 and 27, they can already probably trade into the 14 range as is, so I don't see the incentive to sacrifice Johnson in the process.

[CGD]

probably because he only wants to extend with the Spurs. According to Gambo the Suns haven't had trade talks since the trade deadline. Phoenix doesn't want KAT. KD's circle says he wants to come to San Antonio.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNomJLnjEgg&list=WL&index=3

Probably bc no one, not even the Spurs, want to pay his extension asking price.

[vy65]

Had been thinking about this, but KOC’s latest YouTube confirms …

ATL:
Giannis

MIL:
Jalen Johnson
Devin Vassell
2025 #14
2026 SAS with ATL swap
2027 ATL FRP

SAS
Rissacher
Daniels

ATL would need to add players on the min to make this work, but that makes sense for most, but MIL likely says no.

[mo7888]

Had been thinking about this, but KOC’s latest YouTube confirms …

ATL:
Giannis

MIL:
Jalen Johnson
Devin Vassell
2025 #14
2026 SAS with ATL swap
2027 ATL FRP

SAS
Rissacher
Daniels

ATL would need to add players on the min to make this work, but that makes sense for most, but MIL likely says no.

I hope we say no as well...

[tbdog]

Yeah wtf. 3 good picks and Vassell for fissacher and Daniels? Spurs don't even needs Daniels.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

K:lolC

[RC_Drunkford]

I know nobody here wants to trade down, but again it's rumored that Wright wants to do it.

Suns: Markkanen, #14

Jazz: Barnes, Vassell, Keldon, Branham #2

Spurs: KD, John Collins, #5

[Ice009]

It's rumored that Wright wants to trade down with the number 2 pick? Where have you heard that? Are the sources somewhat reliable?

[cd021]

I know nobody here wants to trade down, but again it's rumored that Wright wants to do it.

Suns: Markkanen, #14

Jazz: Barnes, Vassell, Keldon, Branham #2

Spurs: KD, John Collins, #5

I don't get why the Spurs would give up the second pick in that trade. The reports are that they can get KD for Barnes, Vassell, and 14. In this deal, they'd just get John Collins for trading down from 2 to 5.

If they are able to include Branham in the KD trade, they'd still have the second pick and full access to the MLE to sign a cheaper backup center.

[Teamduncan21]

Had been thinking about this, but KOC’s latest YouTube confirms …

ATL:
Giannis

MIL:
Jalen Johnson
Devin Vassell
2025 #14
2026 SAS with ATL swap
2027 ATL FRP

SAS
Rissacher
Daniels

ATL would need to add players on the min to make this work, but that makes sense for most, but MIL likely says no.

this seems heavily tilted against us. so we reverse the whole dejounte trade for risacher and daniels.. risacher cant even win ROY and doesnt really look that special.. we should at least get Jalen there

[exstatic]

Had been thinking about this, but KOC’s latest YouTube confirms …

ATL:
Giannis

MIL:
Jalen Johnson
Devin Vassell
2025 #14
2026 SAS with ATL swap
2027 ATL FRP

SAS
Rissacher
Daniels

ATL would need to add players on the min to make this work, but that makes sense for most, but MIL likely says no.

KOC is a notorious Spurs hater. This ‘confirms’ that.

[exstatic]

It's rumored that Wright wants to trade down with the number 2 pick? Where have you heard that? Are the sources somewhat reliable?

Don’t pay any attention to Spurs pre draft rumors. They run a pretty tight ship, so anything you might hear is of a manufactured nature. Posters here will take it and run with it, as it suits their agenda.

[CGD]

Todays trade idea (assuming KD is the prize):

ORL: Devin, #38
SAS: KD
PHX: Barnes, Carter, Anthony, #16

Orlando addresses their shooting needs and thins the heard. Suns still get their pick, as well as address their center needs (which was rumored).

[RC_Drunkford]

I don't get why the Spurs would give up the second pick in that trade. The reports are that they can get KD for Barnes, Vassell, and 14. In this deal, they'd just get John Collins for trading down from 2 to 5.

If they are able to include Branham in the KD trade, they'd still have the second pick and full access to the MLE to sign a cheaper backup center.

I‘m not saying they will trade down to get KD. I‘m saying they trade down cause they don’t want to draft another PG. I don‘t think they will trade down for Maluach, but they might think Bailey + assets would be a better move. There‘s all kind of rumors going around about the Spurs. Like I said before, anybody not named Wemby, Fox or Castle is in play and that includes #2 and the ATL picks

[mo7888]

I‘m not saying they will trade down to get KD. I‘m saying they trade down cause they don’t want to draft another PG. I don‘t think they will trade down for Maluach, but they might think Bailey + assets would be a better move. There‘s all kind of rumors going around about the Spurs. Like I said before, anybody not named Wemby, Fox or Castle is in play and that includes #2 and the ATL picks

Yea, but i wouldn't call Collins 'other assets'. We can get KD with including #2. Maybe if there's another unprotected pick or two coming our way..

[LeBowen]

Todays trade idea (assuming KD is the prize):

ORL: Devin, #38
SAS: KD
PHX: Barnes, Carter, Anthony, #16

Orlando addresses their shooting needs and thins the heard. Suns still get their pick, as well as address their center needs (which was rumored).

That looks realistic, as I said the main thing is to find a third team for Devin, Suns don't need him.


I‘m saying they trade down cause they don’t want to draft another PG.

Why would they? We need another point guard. Castle isn't one at this stage of his career.


There‘s all kind of rumors going around about the Spurs.

And as per usual, all those rumors are bs.
Spurs trades happen only when every major outlet keeps reporting it, like it did with Fox.
KD thing is gaining traction and I expect it to happen, Spurs not drafting at #2 is just boredom and fanfiction to generate content because there's nothing better to talk about at this stage.

[Chinook]

Had been thinking about this, but KOC’s latest YouTube confirms …

ATL:
Giannis

MIL:
Jalen Johnson
Devin Vassell
2025 #14
2026 SAS with ATL swap
2027 ATL FRP

SAS
Rissacher
Daniels

ATL would need to add players on the min to make this work, but that makes sense for most, but MIL likely says no.

That trade violates the Stepien rule.

[eric365]

That trade violates the Stepien rule.

I think the trade means we swap in 2026. MIL get the best pick of SAS / ATL / MIL. Spurs get the 2nd best and ATL the 3rd

But I don’t get the trade. The atlanta pick and swap loose a lot of value in a trade that send Giannis to Atlanta…

[Ice009]

Don’t pay any attention to Spurs pre draft rumors. They run a pretty tight ship, so anything you might hear is of a manufactured nature. Posters here will take it and run with it, as it suits their agenda.

OK, thanks. I'll try not to from this point on as I really don't like the sounds of some of these rumors.

[RC_Drunkford]

Had been thinking about this, but KOC’s latest YouTube confirms …

ATL:
Giannis

MIL:
Jalen Johnson
Devin Vassell
2025 #14
2026 SAS with ATL swap
2027 ATL FRP

SAS
Rissacher
Daniels

ATL would need to add players on the min to make this work, but that makes sense for most, but MIL likely says no.

This is what I'm trying to wrap my head around. If Giannis' agent gets the ATL gig, he will most likely go to the Hawks. That would mean we reroute our swap and pick with protections to Milwaukee. But what exactly do we get out of the deal?

I'd guess they want to keep Daniels in Atlanta. We'd only have to send Branham to Atlanta to get Risacher back. Maybe Okongwu too? the #13 pick? Still that's way too much draft capital to give up for these players. We could also send Okongwu to the Suns to get the KD deal done, but again: we are overpaying massively for what Atlanta is sending back to us.

If we send Barnes or Keldon + Branham to ATL,

ATL 26 + 27 to the Bucks (protected)

and get back Risacher, Okongwu and #13 would y'all say we are overpaying?



Yea, but i wouldn't call Collins 'other assets'. We can get KD with including #2. Maybe if there's another unprotected pick or two coming our way..

that's what I meant. Future draft capital.



And as per usual, all those rumors are bs.
Spurs trades happen only when every major outlet keeps reporting it, like it did with Fox.
KD thing is gaining traction and I expect it to happen, Spurs not drafting at #2 is just boredom and fanfiction to generate content because there's nothing better to talk about at this stage.

I doubt it. I wouldn't like trading down, but there's a lot of smoke there and I'm not talking about KOC or ESPN.

[Ariel]

KOC is a notorious Spurs hater. This ‘confirms’ that.
How is it so? Legality aside (as Chinook pointed out, Spurs can't send their 26 and 27 picks like they did before moving their own 27 to the Kings for Fox), this deal has the Spurs getting Risacher and Daniels for 3 picks and Vassell. I very much doubt Spurs can get 2 young players like those with those picks, it'd take another stroke of lottery luck, otherwise it's far more likely you'll end up with another Lonnie Walker, Samanic, Keldon, Vassell, Primo, Sochan, Branham, Wesley, etc. If somebody turns this deal down, it isn't the Spurs, but Atlanta and Milwaukee.

[LeBowen]

I doubt it. I wouldn't like trading down, but there's a lot of smoke there and I'm not talking about KOC or ESPN.

I'd be willing to bet my account that Harper will be in Spurs uniform at the Summer League unless a miraculous Giannis trade happens.

[Ice009]

What job is Giannis' agent applying for in Atlanta? That's interesting if his agent is getting a job with them. I can now understand the Hawks rumors.

If Giannis ends up there, I wouldn't think those Atlanta picks would be worth much then :(. I'd rather he didn't go there as you never know, they could still end up in the lottery and you never know what those picks will end up as if they do.

[Seventyniner]

That trade violates the Stepien rule.

and logic
and common sense

[kxs783kms]

I'd be willing to bet my account that Harper will be in Spurs uniform at the Summer League unless a miraculous Giannis trade happens.

That still doesn't say much at the end of the day. The Spurs can very much be looking to move this pick but only if it's the right offer and it makes sense. Nobody knows if they're dead set at actually keeping it.

[kxs783kms]

I'd be willing to bet my account that Harper will be in Spurs uniform at the Summer League unless a miraculous Giannis trade happens.

That still doesn't say much at the end of the day. The Spurs can very much be looking to move this pick but only if it's the right offer and it makes sense to do so. Not just because they're head over heels in love with Harper. Nobody knows if they're dead set on actually keeping it.

[exstatic]

That still doesn't say much at the end of the day. The Spurs can very much be looking to move this pick but only if it's the right offer and it makes sense to do so. Not just because they're head over heels in love with Harper. Nobody knows if they're dead set on actually keeping it.

The post you quoted mentioned summer league. If he’s in summer league, he’s signed his rookie contact, and we’re keeping him.

[LeBowen]

That still doesn't say much at the end of the day. The Spurs can very much be looking to move this pick but only if it's the right offer and it makes sense. Nobody knows if they're dead set at actually keeping it.

Brian Wright has been looking for more or less the exact player Harper is ever since he took over, hence the Primo failed pick.
He's not going to pass on Harper just because 28 year old Fox is on the roster.
Castle isn't a full time point guard.

[baseline bum]

I hope we say no as well...

Love what Risacher showed this year but damn can't really play PF most likely.

[RC_Drunkford]

I'd be willing to bet my account that Harper will be in Spurs uniform at the Summer League unless a miraculous Giannis trade happens.

let‘s hope so


What job is Giannis' agent applying for in Atlanta? That's interesting if he agent is getting a job with them. I can now understand the Hawks rumors.

If Giannis ends up there, I wouldn't think those Atlanta picks would be worth much then :(. I'd rather he didn't go there as you never know, they could still end up in the lottery and you never know what those picks will end up as if they do.

President of basketball operations

[kxs783kms]

The post you quoted mentioned summer league. If he’s in summer league, he’s signed his rookie contact, and we’re keeping him.

I know that. I was referring to pre-draft. Nobody knows what is being discussed before draft day. They could very well be trying to find suitors for pick 2 and very well be listening to offers being made for it. Even if he's drafted doesn't mean they weren't considering moving it. It could very much mean they just didn't find anything they liked.

[vy65]

Had been thinking about this, but KOC’s latest YouTube confirms …

ATL:
Giannis

MIL:
Jalen Johnson
Devin Vassell
2025 #14
2026 SAS with ATL swap
2027 ATL FRP

SAS
Rissacher
Daniels

ATL would need to add players on the min to make this work, but that makes sense for most, but MIL likely says no.

Ok, since this one was generally reviled, what about this:

ATL:
Giannis

MIL:
Jalen Johnson
Dyson Daniels
Keldon Johnson
2025 FRP#13
2025 FRP#14
2025 FRP#22
2027 FRP (ATL)
2029 FRP (ATL)
2031 FRP (ATL)

Spurs:
Onyeka Okongwu

And, if that's still not enough for the Bucks, this also works:

ATL:
Giannis
Tyler Smith

MIL:
Jalen Johnson
Dyson Daniels
Keldon Johnson
Zaccharie Risacher
2025 FRP#13
2025 FRP#14
2025 FRP#22
2027 FRP (ATL)
2029 FRP (ATL)
2031 FRP (ATL)

Spurs:
Onyeka Okongwu

[Ice009]

Don't want him going to Atlanta. It devalues the Atlanta swap and 2027 pick.

And what picks are you suggesting the Spurs to give up? The #14 and Atlanta 2027 for Onyeka Okongwu?

[Pauleta14]

How is it so? Legality aside (as Chinook pointed out, Spurs can't send their 26 and 27 picks like they did before moving their own 27 to the Kings for Fox), this deal has the Spurs getting Risacher and Daniels for 3 picks and Vassell. I very much doubt Spurs can get 2 young players like those with those picks, it'd take another stroke of lottery luck, otherwise it's far more likely you'll end up with another Lonnie Walker, Samanic, Keldon, Vassell, Primo, Sochan, Branham, Wesley, etc. If somebody turns this deal down, it isn't the Spurs, but Atlanta and Milwaukee.

I like Rizacher but in this year's draft he'd be around the 14th pick

Which means Daniels = 2 potentially very good 1RPs? It's too much for me.

If Spurs could get Jalen instead of either Riz or Daniels that would be appealing

[twodeep]

Brian Wright has been looking for more or less the exact player Harper is ever since he took over, hence the Primo failed pick.
He's not going to pass on Harper just because 28 year old Fox is on the roster.
Castle isn't a full time point guard.

Harper can be first off the bench and allows him to contribute and learn and be able to take over once Fox contract runs out. I am not sure why people think this is not a great situation to have if the players understand their role and their contributions do matter for a ring. Plus his minutes would probably be on par with the other two because you can always have a combination of two of them on the floor at any given time and if they can play together over time you can have a 4th qtr finishing group of all three.

[vy65]

Don't want him going to Atlanta. It devalues the Atlanta swap and 2027 pick.

And what picks are you suggesting the Spurs to give up? The #14 and Atlanta 2027 for Onyeka Okongwu?

Yes, those two, with the theory being that the ‘27 pick will be in the late teens/twenties with Giannis on the Hawks.

[mo7888]

Ok, since this one was generally reviled, what about this:

ATL:
Giannis

MIL:
Jalen Johnson
Dyson Daniels
Keldon Johnson
2025 FRP#13
2025 FRP#14
2025 FRP#22
2027 FRP (ATL)
2029 FRP (ATL)
2031 FRP (ATL)

Spurs:
Onyeka Okongwu

And, if that's still not enough for the Bucks, this also works:

ATL:
Giannis
Tyler Smith

MIL:
Jalen Johnson
Dyson Daniels
Keldon Johnson
Zaccharie Risacher
2025 FRP#13
2025 FRP#14
2025 FRP#22
2027 FRP (ATL)
2029 FRP (ATL)
2031 FRP (ATL)

Spurs:
Onyeka Okongwu

That's closer to being a deal, but that too much to give up for Okongwu and I wouldn't want Giannis in Atlanta. If we got Okongwu and Risacher out of it it might make me consider it a bit more.

[vy65]

That's closer to being a deal, but that too much to give up for Okongwu and I wouldn't want Giannis in Atlanta. If we got Okongwu and Risacher out of it it might make me consider it a bit more.

I share your intuition. How’d you feel about OO and 13 coming back to us? Or keep 14 and get 22?

[exstatic]

I share your intuition. How’d you feel about OO and 13 coming back to us? Or keep 14 and get 22?

You’re not really picking up on the general sentiment. It’s not the details of the trade. No one wants to see Giannis in Atlanta.

[vy65]

You’re not really picking up on the general sentiment. It’s not the details of the trade. No one wants to see Giannis in Atlanta.

I wasn’t aware Spurstalk had that kind of veto power. Interesting.

[exstatic]

I wasn’t aware Spurstalk had that kind of veto power. Interesting.

It’s not veto power, more just something no one but you is interested in discussing. You’ve re-rolled this trade, and several people have said they don’t want Freak in the ATL, then you re-roll it again, with Freak in the ATL. No one is going to give you positive feedback on a trade that sabotages our swap next year,and the 27 FRP.

[vy65]

It’s not veto power, more just something no one but you is interested in discussing. You’ve re-rolled this trade, and several people have said they don’t want Freak in the ATL, then you re-roll it again, with Freak in the ATL. No one is going to give you positive feedback on a trade that sabotages our swap next year,and the 27 FRP.

Oh, ok. Thank you for policing the conversation. I bet you’re fun!

[mo7888]

I share your intuition. How’d you feel about OO and 13 coming back to us? Or keep 14 and get 22?

I wouldn't want Giannis in Atlanta, but if they were doing the deal anyway and I got in on it I'd need Risacher in the deal. I like Okongwu, but not that much.

[exstatic]

I wouldn't want Giannis in Atlanta, but if they were doing the deal anyway and I got in on it I'd need Risacher in the deal. I like Okongwu, but not that much.

Not just me, vy.

[Ice009]

I absolutely don't want to see it happen or even talk about it. Exstatic said exactly what I was thinking.

[Ariel]

I like Rizacher but in this year's draft he'd be around the 14th pick

Which means Daniels = 2 potentially very good 1RPs? It's too much for me.

If Spurs could get Jalen instead of either Riz or Daniels that would be appealing
Risacher is a 6'8.5" wing who just turned 20 and already proved he's a legit NBA starting level player with upside for more, that's worth a lot more than the 14th pick in this year's draft, you can argue in hindsight you'll be able to find a better player than him available at 14 in his class, but in reality it's far more likely than not you won't get anyone anywhere near as good as him at that spot.

[RC_Drunkford]

I wouldn't want Giannis in Atlanta, but if they were doing the deal anyway and I got in on it I'd need Risacher in the deal. I like Okongwu, but not that much.

that wouldn't be enough for me if we give them back their unprotected pick and swap. Risacher and #13 wouldn't even be that enticing although it's probably fair value since the picks would be in the 20s if they got Giannis. I hope he stays in Milwaukee

[exstatic]

that wouldn't be enough for me if we give them back their unprotected pick and swap. Risacher and #13 wouldn't even be that enticing although it's probably fair value since the picks would be in the 20s if they got Giannis. I hope he stays in Milwaukee

It’s kind of looking like he might.

[sfernald]

I think if we are involved in a Giannis trade we should definitely be the ones getting Giannis or fuck off.

[RC_Drunkford]

btw I heard Trae Young switched from Clutch to CAA cause they didn't get him to San Antonio

[exstatic]

btw I heard Trae Young switched from Clutch to CAA cause they didn't get him to San Antonio

It wasn’t Klutch’s fault. ATL wouldn’t trade him for anything other than all of their picks back,and that wasn’t and isn’t his market. If he wants to dissociate from the culprit who kept him from SA,he’s needs to request a trade.

[Ice009]

btw I heard Trae Young switched from Clutch to CAA cause they didn't get him to San Antonio

Wow. If he really wanted to come to the Spurs, that sucks for him.

In a situation like that, who does Klutch choose to try and get there? Did they explore getting Trae there first and Atlanta wouldn't budge and then moved to try and get Fox there instead? I don't see how it could be Klutch's fault, though. It would have been pretty much Atlanta like Exstatic just said. They were not going to do it for anything less than all their picks back.

[mystargtr34]

Why would Giannis want Atlanta and especially if they are giving up their second third and fourth best players in Johnson, Daniel’s, Risacher.

Giannis doesn’t want to go from Dame Lillard plus scraps to Trae Young plus scraps. That Atlanta team wouldn’t be a contender.

[Ice009]

Why would Giannis want Atlanta and especially if they are giving up their second third and fourth best players in Johnson, Daniel’s, Risacher.

Giannis doesn’t want to go from Dame Lillard plus scraps to Trae Young plus scraps. That Atlanta team wouldn’t be a contender.

The whole point is, almost any team he goes to is going to be gutted.

He has to go to teams that have lots of draft picks plus salary filler to give the Bucks and there is not many teams with those. Rockets, OKC, Spurs would be the teams that have draft picks, but do any of these teams want to give up all those draft picks because if it doesn't work out, they're giving up their future and it could end up like a Milwaukee situation anyway.

[Pauleta14]

Risacher is a 6'8.5" wing who just turned 20 and already proved he's a legit NBA starting level player with upside for more, that's worth a lot more than the 14th pick in this year's draft, you can argue in hindsight you'll be able to find a better player than him available at 14 in his class, but in reality it's far more likely than not you won't get anyone anywhere near as good as him at that spot.

I don't see Rizacher with an Allstar potential. Not because of talent/skills but because of his personality, I don't see a "dog" in him.

I see a very good role player and there are plenty in this draft even around 14. That would also be a lot cheaper than a 1st pick salary.

I think he's been put in a starting position that allowed those stats, that imho are a bit inflated because he never had to fight for his job. (Same parallel could be drawn with Sochan btw)

Most rookies would have ended up at the end of the bench with so many bad games efficiency wise

[DPG21920]

The trade I would like the most is for SA to draft Harper and then use 14 to move up for Kon. Thats the trade I want to see. Or even Maluach.

[Ariel]

I don't see Rizacher with an Allstar potential. Not because of talent/skills but because of his personality, I don't see a "dog" in him.

I see a very good role player and there are plenty in this draft even around 14. That would also be a lot cheaper than a 1st pick salary.

I think he's been put in a starting position that allowed those stats, that imho are a bit inflated because he never had to fight for his job. (Same parallel could be drawn with Sochan btw)

Most rookies would have ended up at the end of the bench with so many bad games efficiency wise
If you think Risacher is a very good role player, at his size, skill set, youth and contract, even if he doesn't have all star potential (I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility he does) he's easily worth the 14th pick. You see prospects available at that spot that have role player potential, Risacher already proved he belongs. There's a massive difference. Any team in the late lottery would deal their pick for him, and I don't think it's close.

[Ariel]

The trade I would like the most is for SA to draft Harper and then use 14 to move up for Kon. Thats the trade I want to see. Or even Maluach.
I'm totally fine with that, as long as the price to move up is not wild. But if the Spurs draft Harper and Knueppel, I definitely think that spells doom for Vassell, they would desperately need athleticism and defense at the wing (probably more than one) and Vassell should be the first trading chip to land one.

[exstatic]

If you think Risacher is a very good role player, at his size, skill set, youth and contract, even if he doesn't have all star potential (I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility he does) he's easily worth the 14th pick. You see prospects available at that spot that have role player potential, Risacher already proved he belongs. There's a massive difference. Any team in the late lottery would deal their pick for him, and I don't think it's close.

Atlanta isn’t trading him to SA for 14. Hell, they may never trade with us again after the Dejounte theft.

[Ariel]

Atlanta isn’t trading him to SA for 14. Hell, they may never trade with us again after the Dejounte theft.
That's kind of my point, it'd take more than 14 to have a chance.

[Ignazzz]

Maybe #13 for Castle?
Atlanta dont trade Risacher.

[cutewizard]

Just trade Vassell

already a victory

[RC_Drunkford]

Maybe #13 for Castle?
Atlanta dont trade Risacher.

Spurs will never trade Castle. Atlanta would trade Risacher tomorrow if they get their picks back from us.

[ambchang]

I would have no hesitation trading 27 back to the hawks for Daniels. Doubt they would though.

[Ignazzz]

Spurs will never trade Castle. Atlanta would trade Risacher tomorrow if they get their picks back from us.

why give up overal first pick vs get maybe lotto back.

[Chinook]

As I mentioned previously, the Spurs giving up 14, getting rid of the 2026 swap and turning 2027 into a swap favoring Atlanta is what I'd call "Giving the Hawks their picks back". I'm pretty okay with the Spurs doing that for the right price. That price is not Okongwu. I don't know that it's Jalen Johnson or Risacher. But considering the moves the Hawks could make this summer, there are real possibilities.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Maybe #13 for Castle?
Atlanta dont trade Risacher.


If you think the Spurs are trading Castle for a late lotto pick, I encourage you to log off the internet for the next couple of years.

[RC_Drunkford]

why give up overal first pick vs get maybe lotto back.

because in a regular draft that first pick is like the 10th pick. In this draft Risacher might go anywhere between 12 and 20

[exstatic]

Maybe #13 for Castle?
Atlanta dont trade Risacher.

Are you on crack?

[Ocotillo]

Atlanta isn’t trading him to SA for 14. Hell, they may never trade with us again after the Dejounte theft.

I wonder though, not that I am in the market for Risacher, because it's a different front office these days and they should be confident that they can put together a trade that works for them.

[DPG21920]

As I mentioned previously, the Spurs giving up 14, getting rid of the 2026 swap and turning 2027 into a swap favoring Atlanta is what I'd call "Giving the Hawks their picks back". I'm pretty okay with the Spurs doing that for the right price. That price is not Okongwu. I don't know that it's Jalen Johnson or Risacher. But considering the moves the Hawks could make this summer, there are real possibilities.

Agree. Hawks are definitely a team to watch for numerous reasons and because SA has their picks, SA has many paths to being involved IF ATL starts making moves.

Same as HOU with PHX picks, NO with MIL picks etc..

[mo7888]

Agree. Hawks are definitely a team to watch for numerous reasons and because SA has their picks, SA has many paths to being involved IF ATL starts making moves.

Same as HOU with PHX picks, NO with MIL picks etc..

Yep, I think some of these trade are going to be much more complex than the straightforward ones we talk about here.

[John B]

Spurs will never trade Castle. Atlanta would trade Risacher tomorrow if they get their picks back from us.

I’d take Risacher. I doubt those ATL picks would ever be lottery with Trae overachieving, with Jalen and Daniel just going to get better.

[RC_Drunkford]

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[Ignazzz]

Guys. It was ironic. Same level of stupid take Risacher for 14 from Atlanta s perspective as Castle for 13. Dont you get it? I find it funny. Me with my joke on crack but your proposal legit ;)))))))))

[Ignazzz]

because in a regular draft that first pick is like the 10th pick. In this draft Risacher might go anywhere between 12 and 20

So Castle is from very weak draft too?
I am great fan of spurs ( old Dave’s times). same time can find other’s team perspective in potential trades.
How many 1st overal picks were sold after year one?
For future pick? Not sure thing but only estimation that can be high pick? C ‚mon.
All construction of possible trade with Atlanta is not real.
My example ( stupid agree) Castle for #13 shows only how bad this take and your proposal is.
Atlanta picked 1rd 1st overal prospect and is focus improve him.
Any future not sure that top pick can change this plan. Sure bigger trade with all puzles involved maybe is 1% possible.
All yours ideas is only wishfull thinking. Same level as selling Castle for pick/ picks
So same level of stupidy as mine. Only difference is that You are serious.

[exstatic]

I’d take Risacher. I doubt those ATL picks would ever be lottery with Trae overachieving, with Jalen and Daniel just going to get better.

They overachieved this year, and the pick was still in the lottery.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

They overachieved this year, and the pick was still in the lottery.

Yep. And it was one ping pong ball away from gifting us Flagg.

Atlanta have to make a choice on Trae this summer - either extend him or trade him. Neither option looks great for them but if they do nothing he can walk next summer, so it’ll be their defining decision for how they’re building going forward.

[RC_Drunkford]

So Castle is from very weak draft too?
I am great fan of spurs ( old Dave’s times). same time can find other’s team perspective in potential trades.
How many 1st overal picks were sold after year one?
For future pick? Not sure thing but only estimation that can be high pick? C ‚mon.
All construction of possible trade with Atlanta is not real.
My example ( stupid agree) Castle for #13 shows only how bad this take and your proposal is.
Atlanta picked 1rd 1st overal prospect and is focus improve him.
Any future not sure that top pick can change this plan. Sure bigger trade with all puzles involved maybe is 1% possible.
All yours ideas is only wishfull thinking. Same level as selling Castle for pick/ picks
So same level of stupidy as mine. Only difference is that You are serious.

maybe you should learn how to read english first. Where did I say we should trade for Risacher? I said we could get him if we wanted to. My ATL targets are Okongwu and Jalen Johnson. And it's not for future picks, it's for Atlanta's OWN picks.

Hawks GM Onsi Saleh used to work for the Spurs. So a deal with ATL can certainly happen. And yes, Castle is from a weak draft. He'd be in the top 10 in this draft class, maybe even slightly out of it. Kon Knueppel territory.

Also Ainge is trying to trade his entire roster. Like I said, Utah might be the 3rd team in the KD deal. Tell me again all my trade ideas are wishful thinking after the draft, cause we are 100% getting Durant and that won't be the only trade we will make.

[LkrFan]

Incoming: KD
Outgoing: Fox, Castle and Socham

Works in the trade machine (https://fanspo.com/nba/trade-machine). Do it RC! :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

Incoming: KD
Outgoing: Fox, Castle and Socham

Works in the trade machine (https://fanspo.com/nba/trade-machine). Do it RC! :lol

Fat Luka and 40-year old LeBron ain't gon help you against Wemby/KD/Castle/Fox :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

Brook Lopez is gone from the Bucks. Maybe a reunion with Mitch is possible?


That said, I’m not expecting the roster to look the way it does now. The team is likely to retain Kevin Porter Jr.2 and most everyone I’ve spoken to assume Brook Lopez is gone (https://hardwoodparoxysm.substack.com/p/nba-draftfree-agency-rumors-hearsay).
– via hardwoodparoxysm.substack.com (https://hardwoodparoxysm.substack.com/p/nba-draftfree-agency-rumors-hearsay)

[Dverde]

Rumors are Bobby Portis is going to opt in and stay in Milwaukee.

[RC_Drunkford]

Could we fleece the Kangz again for a 3rd time? 3-team deal? Those ATL picks could be juicy.

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[spurraider21]

They overachieved this year, and the pick was still in the lottery.
they overachieved relative to having to play without jalen johnson for most of the year, and all their good players are young, ascending guys

[LeBowen]

Imagine trying to build a functional defense around Trae and Sabonis. :lol

[mo7888]

they overachieved relative to having to play without jalen johnson for most of the year, and all their good players are young, ascending guys

JJ played most of the season (56 games)

[spurraider21]

JJ played most of the season (56 games)
jalen johnson played in 36 games this season

he played 56 games in the previous season

[RC_Drunkford]

Imagine trying to build a functional defense around Trae and Sabonis. :lol

word is they want to trade DeRozan and Sabonis. DeRozan would even be interested in a Spurs return, but I hope our FO is not that stupid.

[TD 21]

Brook Lopez is gone from the Bucks. Maybe a reunion with Mitch is possible?

The Warriors are the likely destination, especially if (when?) Antetokounmpo stays put and isn't traded to the Rockets for a package including Sengun.

Lopez has ties to the area and they desperately need a starting caliber stretch five, with limited resources available.

[RC_Drunkford]

The Warriors are the likely destination, especially if (when?) Antetokounmpo stays put and isn't traded to the Rockets for a package including Sengun.

Lopez has ties to the area and they desperately need a starting caliber stretch five, with limited resources available.

yeah I think it's either Dubs or Lakers, although the Lakers need more of a lob threat, so you might be right.

[LeBowen]

word is they want to trade DeRozan and Sabonis. DeRozan would even be interested in a Spurs return, but I hope our FO is not that stupid.

I'm not sure which team would be dumb enough to want Sabonis.
Demar's contract isn't fully guaranteed for 26-27 season, Hawks might take it.
Demar+Monk+Ellis and a pick or two for Trae seems fair value.

[mystargtr34]

Agree with TD the Warriors seem a good fit for Brook and I’d say he would prefer a starting role and 25 MPG as opposed to backing up Wemby at 20 MPG.

[mo7888]

jalen johnson played in 36 games this season

he played 56 games in the previous season

Touche'

[TD 21]

Yeah, not only starting, but having a path to closing, which will be harder to come by with the Spurs.

On a related note, if the Spurs acquire Durant, I'd expect them to mostly go backup C by committee.

Recent and current Durant is 4 who is secondarily closer to a small ball 5 than a 3 and even though he's a superior shooter to Vassell and Barnes, it'd still be 2 shooters for 1 and this rotation can't afford another non one like some rim running C getting guaranteed minutes.

Of course they'd still need a true C for certain matchups, but his combination of shooting and length can work with Sochan and Mamukelashvili (who'd I'd expect to re-sign if this trade goes through) in the matchups they don't.

[vy65]

Don’t know if this has been mentioned, but Simmons floated a TMIII trade for us.

[spurraider21]

Don’t know if this has been mentioned, but Simmons floated a TMIII trade for us.
heres the quote

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[LkrFan]

Fat Luka and 40-year old LeBron ain't gon help you against Wemby/KD/Castle/Fox :lol
Luka been at 24hr Fitness
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:lol

[CGD]

Brook Lopez is gone from the Bucks. Maybe a reunion with Mitch is possible?

I want him on the Spurs

[CGD]

heres the quote

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I dont understand we people think this guys is available.

[scott]

I dont understand we people think this guys is available.

I believe the new Pelicans brass have put the word out that pretty much everyone is available

[RC_Drunkford]

Y'all gon be surprised that 2/3 of our entire roster will be gone. At best we'll keep 5-6 players from last season.

[LeBowen]

Y'all gon be surprised that 2/3 of our entire roster will be gone. At best we'll keep 5-6 players from last season.

Don't give me hope...
(if all of your inside info turns out to be wrong, you'll never hear the end of it :lol)

[RC_Drunkford]

Don't give me hope...
(if all of your inside info turns out to be wrong, you'll never hear the end of it :lol)

I take my chances. I'm doing plenty of research on FA and the draft. There will be a lot of movement and a lot of deals that are discussed won't happen. But those things I'm saying about the Spurs, I'm pretty sure of.

[Ice009]

I take my chances. I'm doing plenty of research on FA and the draft. There will be a lot of movement and a lot of deals that are discussed won't happen. But those things I'm saying about the Spurs, I'm pretty sure of.

Even if a lot of it doesn't work out or happen (Some of it could even be 100% right, and some could fall apart at the last minute), I'd still rather you tell us what you hear.

[R. DeMurre]

I'm not sure which team would be dumb enough to want Sabonis.
Demar's contract isn't fully guaranteed for 26-27 season, Hawks might take it.
Demar+Monk+Ellis and a pick or two for Trae seems fair value.


When I put that trade in the Fanspo trade machine, it estimates that the Hawks would add 7 wins and the Kings-- being the Kings-- would add 7 losses :lol....

If I'm Atlanta, I do that trade in a minute, and then flip Demar and Monk for future assets.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBCR4HyDsSM

[cutewizard]

I wonder if we can get both Yabuselle and Santi Aldama ................

[vy65]

This is either genius or retarded

SA
#3
TMIII

Pels
#2
Paul George

76ers
#7
DV
CJ McCollum

If that's not enough for NOLA or PHI, you could add #14 and/or #38

[RC_Drunkford]

I wonder if we can get both Yabuselle and Santi Aldama ................

how about KD and TM3 or KD and John Collins?

[Teamduncan21]

This is either genius or retarded

SA
#3
TMIII

Pels
#2
Paul George

76ers
#7
DV
CJ McCollum

If that's not enough for NOLA or PHI, you could add #14 and/or #38

Can't they just trade with themselves and cut spurs out then

[pookenstein]

Spurs get: Sarr, Coulibaly, Kispert, #6, #18

Wizards get: Vassell, Branham, #2

Would you do it?

[Ignazzz]

easy even without #6 ( Bilal can be force in NBA)

[Ice009]

I actually don't think the Wizards would do that trade.

[LeBowen]

Going back to my favorite idea.

Spurs:
PJ Washington
Gafford
(assuming they agree to extensions which wouldn't cost more than ~40 million a year combined.)

Mavs:
Jrue
'30 swap returned

Celtics:
Vassell
'28 swap returned
(Can add Wesley if they're not looking to shed salary.)

[mo7888]

Going back to my favorite idea.

Spurs:
PJ Washington
Gafford
(assuming they agree to extensions which wouldn't cost more than ~40 million a year combined.)

Mavs:
Jrue
'30 swap returned

Celtics:
Vassell
'28 swap returned
(Can add Wesley if they're not looking to shed salary.)

I hate that deal myself. Those swaps are with more than a PJ + Gafford return.

[LeBowen]

I hate that deal myself. Those swaps are with more than a PJ + Gafford return.

Not since the lottery.
Celtics are ran by Brad Stevens, one of the most competent GMs out there.
The East is garbage. '28 is three years away, Tatum will be fully recovered and they're absolutely not missing the playoffs.

Mavs swap lost a lot of value, could still be great, but if Flagg is as good as advertised, they'll be fine in '30.
PJ and Gafford are two great role players, we have to give something up for them.

Fox/Harper
Castle/#14
Barnes/Champ
Washington/Jeremy
Wemby/Gafford

Then we can make more moves at the deadline if things are going well.

[mo7888]

Not since the lottery.
Celtics are ran by Brad Stevens, one of the most competent GMs out there.
The East is garbage. '28 is three years away, Tatum will be fully recovered and they're absolutely not missing the playoffs.

Mavs swap lost a lot of value, could still be great, but if Flagg is as good as advertised, they'll be fine in '30.
PJ and Gafford are two great role players, we have to give something up for them.

Fox/Harper
Castle/#14
Barnes/Champ
Washington/Jeremy
Wemby/Gafford

Then we can make more moves at the deadline if things are going well.

We could, but I still think those swaps with a super high mileage Brown and an incompetent GM in Dallas are worth considerably more.

Honestly, with the situation Fallas and Boston are currently in, I think a few 2nd's would get that done for us. Dallas needs Jrue and Boston needs to move off of him. We have a need, but we have more options to fill our need than they do.

[mo7888]

Here's a thought o expect a good bit of hate on lol..

Spurs- Cam + PG + #8
Nets- Keldon + Barnes + #3
Philly- Clayton + Vassell + 14 + 38

[mo7888]

Here's a thought o expect a good bit of hate on lol..

Spurs- Cam + PG + #8
Nets- Keldon + Barnes + #3
Philly- Clayton + Vassell + 14 + 38

[CGD]

Here's a thought o expect a good bit of hate on lol..

Spurs- Cam + PG + #8
Nets- Keldon + Barnes + #3
Philly- Clayton + Vassell + 14 + 38

So Keldon, Barnes, Vassell and 14/38 for Cam, PG, and 8? I don’t dislike it assuming PG isn’t just a corpse.

I do think we need to start pivoting to other ideas aside from KD. Seems like there will be a market for him with Giannis staying put apparently, and it will be too rich for the Spurs.

[mo7888]

So Keldon, Barnes, Vassell and 14/38 for Cam, PG, and 8? I don’t dislike it assuming PG isn’t just a corpse.

I do think we need to start pivoting to other ideas aside from KD. Seems like there will be a market for him with Giannis staying put apparently, and it will be too rich for the Spurs.

I also would be fine with just doing the deal with Philly and getting #3. I have the draft very flat between 3 and 10, so getting Cam out of it makes a little more sense to me. If the fo views someone clearly as the 3rd best player then just leave Brooklyn out.

[Ice009]

Let's say PG isn't washed up and has a bounce back season, how does his contract actually affect things? Would that still be a killer?

[CGD]

I also would be fine with just doing the deal with Philly and getting #3. I have the draft very flat between 3 and 10, so getting Cam out of it makes a little more sense to me. If the fo views someone clearly as the 3rd best player then just leave Brooklyn out.

I’ve been thinking about that, but seems like it would have been better if Philly were sitting at 5/6. Seems like a tough energy jump to 3.

[CGD]

Let's say PG isn't washed up and has a bounce back season, how does his contract actually affect things? Would that still be a killer?

Contract wise it’s probably cheaper than an extended KD. I just wonder about the fit since he doesnt necessarily address the shooting issue. Of course, this all assumes the health as you say.

[Ice009]

I’ve been thinking about that, but seems like it would have been better if Philly were sitting at 5/6. Seems like a tough energy jump to 3.

Yeah, do you mean if Philly had 5 or 6 they'd be more likely to include it with PG13?


Contract wise it’s probably cheaper than an extended KD. I just wonder about the fit since he doesnt necessarily address the shooting issue. Of course, this all assumes the health as you say.

Yeah, I'm thinking he could bounce back next year, but would be a big gamble. I also bring it up because the Spurs were interested in signing him last year according to PG, but I don't think they wanted to offer the amount of years. What about the length of his contract? Does that affect things Castle or Harper extension wise?

[CGD]

Yeah, do you mean if Philly had 5 or 6 they'd be more likely to include it with PG13?



Yeah, I'm thinking he could bounce back next year, but would be a big gamble. I also bring it up because the Spurs were interested in signing him last year according to PG, but I don't think they wanted to offer the amount of years. What about the length of his contract? Does that affect things Castle or Harper extension wise?

Exactly. Like I could see them doing 5/PG for 14/Dev etc. To me, 3 feels like a stretch for that deal.

[Ice009]

Exactly. Like I could see them doing 5/PG for 14/Dev etc. To me, 3 feels like a stretch for that deal.

I think you're right. I think 3 is a bit much even for them to get off of Paul George. Oh well.

[mo7888]

I’ve been thinking about that, but seems like it would have been better if Philly were sitting at 5/6. Seems like a tough energy jump to 3.

I think it will come down to what else is in the table. I dint really think they want to keep the pick and it'll take alot to move PG.

[venitian navigator]

Of its true SA Is si intersted in Maluach One chance could be Fox Malaki 38 for Middleton 6 18.
Fox takes his max contract for sure in Washington.
We draft Harper Maluach Bryant Fleming, re sign Paul plus Mamu or Bismarck .
Pm Harper Paul Wesley
Guard Vassell Castle Bryant
SF. Barnes Champagnie Middleton
PF. Sochan Fleming Mamu
C. Wemby Maluach Biyombo

[Ice009]

The Spurs are NOT trading Fox. Geez. People don't seem to understand that.

[RC_Drunkford]

Yeah, do you mean if Philly had 5 or 6 they'd be more likely to include it with PG13?



Yeah, I'm thinking he could bounce back next year, but would be a big gamble. I also bring it up because the Spurs were interested in signing him last year according to PG, but I don't think they wanted to offer the amount of years. What about the length of his contract? Does that affect things Castle or Harper extension wise?

PG13s contract has the same length as if we traded for KD and he resigns a 1+1. 2 years left and a player option in year 3. Earns a little less than KD on a veteran max extension. So would be perfectly fine, it's just that he's not KD.

[mo7888]

PG13s contract has the same length as if we traded for KD and he resigns a 1+1. 2 years left and a player option in year 3. Earns a little less than KD on a veteran max extension. So would be perfectly fine, it's just that he's not KD.

He's not KD for sure, but he's a solid veteran that would be coming with the #3 pick.

[tbdog]

He's not KD for sure, but he's a solid veteran that would be coming with the #3 pick.

Last season was a horrid season for him. He might have the worst contract next to Embid, in the league.

[LeBowen]

Some of you are unserious, tbh.
Playoff P has missed 144 games over the past 5 seasons.
He just turned 35, he's got no legs left, he's a poor rebounder for his size so he can't play the PF and he's just a career loser, don't want his presence anywhere near the team.


Last season was a horrid season for him. He might have the worst contract next to Embid, in the league.

His contract is so bad that I'd consider trading him for Beal or Lillard if I was Morey, just to get one year off it.

[LeBowen]

What are our backup big options?

Draft:
Sorber with #14?
Maluach probably won't be available and I'm not sure if giving up another FRP to trade up would be worth it.

Free agents:
Steven Adams - Would be a great veteran presence and a rebounder, but he's on a decline and I'm not sure he'd be able to keep up with the high tempo game we'll probably prefer.
Kevon Looney - Also seems to be on a serious decline even though he's only 29. But would be a solid option.
Luke Kornet - My preferred free agent. Really underrated because he didn't get enough minutes with the Celtics. Great rim protector, high IQ short roll passer and obviously has championship experience.
Brook Lopez - I think that the wheels have fallen off, he's lost all of his mobility and it's not like he was quick to begin with.
Clint Capela - Another one on the decline with serious injury issues.

Trade targets:
Daniel Gafford - My preferred trade target. Playoff proven, experienced but still only 27, expiring $14M contract, not enough minutes for him in Dallas.
Walker Kessler - Ainge would probably ask for too much and he's up for an extension.
Mitchell Robinson - Expiring contract, $13M. Great defender and rebounder, disgustingly bad FTs and an injury risk.
Wendell Carter Jr - I'm not sold on him because his extension kicks in 26-27 season, is he worth close to $20M a year?
Nikola Vucevic - Expiring $21M, awful defensively, still amazing on offense.
Jakob Poeltl - I doubt Raptors would let him go for a fair price, known quantity.
Nic Claxton - Costs too much in both assets and salary for a backup big.
Andre Drummond - Might go into FA category if he doesn't pick up his option. Still a great rebounder, but too slow.

Not that great, tbh.
For me it would be Gafford, Kornet or Sorber as the best options from each category.

[SpursBills]

What are our backup big options?

Draft:
Sorber with #14?
Maluach probably won't be available and I'm not sure if giving up another FRP to trade up would be worth it.

Free agents:
Steven Adams - Would be a great veteran presence and a rebounder, but he's on a decline and I'm not sure he'd be able to keep up with the high tempo game we'll probably prefer.
Kevon Looney - Also seems to be on a serious decline even though he's only 29. But would be a solid option.
Luke Kornet - My preferred free agent. Really underrated because he didn't get enough minutes with the Celtics. Great rim protector, high IQ short roll passer and obviously has championship experience.
Brook Lopez - I think that the wheels have fallen off, he's lost all of his mobility and it's not like he was quick to begin with.
Clint Capela - Another one on the decline with serious injury issues.

Trade targets:
Daniel Gafford - My preferred trade target. Playoff proven, experienced but still only 27, expiring $14M contract, not enough minutes for him in Dallas.
Walker Kessler - Ainge would probably ask for too much and he's up for an extension.
Mitchell Robinson - Expiring contract, $13M. Great defender and rebounder, disgustingly bad FTs and an injury risk.
Wendell Carter Jr - I'm not sold on him because his extension kicks in 26-27 season, is he worth close to $20M a year?
Nikola Vucevic - Expiring $21M, awful defensively, still amazing on offense.
Jakob Poeltl - I doubt Raptors would let him go for a fair price, known quantity.
Nic Claxton - Costs too much in both assets and salary for a backup big.
Andre Drummond - Might go into FA category if he doesn't pick up his option. Still a great rebounder, but too slow.

Not that great, tbh.
For me it would be Gafford, Kornet or Sorber as the best options from each category.

Can probably draft Kalkbrenner in late first / early second who can do about as good a job as Kornet for cheaper tbh

[Dverde]

What about Mark Williams? Price is low with all the drama with the Laker trade. Big plus…He should hate the Lakers with fury moving forward.

[ss1986v2]

What are our backup big options?
...
Not that great, tbh.
For me it would be Gafford, Kornet or Sorber as the best options from each category.

Any opinion on Goga Bitadze? I like him as a quality back up center who could even pair with wemby if the matchups were perfect. I'm not sure if the magic want to part with him, but they seem pretty full up at the center position at the moment. Would something like blake or malaki's expiring plus a fist full of 2nds for goga do anything for either team?

Otherwise, I'm right on with all your other evaluations.

[RC_Drunkford]

Adams is gone. Houston slightly overpaid, which is good.

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[LeBowen]

What about Mark Williams? Price is low with all the drama with the Laker trade. Big plus…He should hate the Lakers with fury moving forward.

No way Spurs consider a player with so many medical red flags.
Lakers were desperate for a big and still cancelled the trade as soon as they saw his medical record.
I wouldn't mind if he was cheap, but no way Wright even considers him.


Any opinion on Goga Bitadze? I like him as a quality back up center who could even pair with wemby if the matchups were perfect. I'm not sure if the magic want to part with him, but they seem pretty full up at the center position at the moment. Would something like blake or malaki's expiring plus a fist full of 2nds for goga do anything for either team?

Otherwise, I'm right on with all your other evaluations.

I knew I forgot someone!
Idk, ever since he had that altercation with a coach, he's been off my list because Spurs don't go for that type of players.
If his character issues are sorted, he'd be a good option.

Another thing we have to see is what happens with PF situation.
We'll surely (or at least I hope so) get a starting PF, backup big will depend on who we get.
For example John Collins can surely play some spot minutes as a backup big and we could go for Adamas or Looney who would be good when we need more rebounding.

Imagine having a positionless basketball Harper/Castle/Champ/Barnes/John Collins bench lineup, they'd run almost every bench off the floor.


Adams is gone. Houston slightly overpaid, which is good.

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I completely missed that one.
Yeah, I'd like to avoid slow bigs, ideally we can get a rim runner who's an above average rim protector.

[RC_Drunkford]

For example John Collins can surely play some spot minutes as a backup big

if there's one thing you shouldn't even try with John Collins it's playing him at center. Y'all can bring it up as often as y'all want, it doesn't work. Coaches found out the hard way. Will Hardy went away from it and played him exclusively at PF and see there: crazy statlines and efficiency.

People get caught up in Collins physicality and athleticism and think he can be a rim protector in a smallball line up. Doesn't work.

[RC_Drunkford]

with what one source termed as “ridiculous” returns for Murphy III. A serviceable veteran who can log postseason minutes, a decent prospect, and multiple first-round picks is the starting point. Given the number of inquiring calls, it is also indicative of Trey Murphy III's true value, per one source.


The Pelicans' asking price for Herb Jones is not as steep, but it is understood to be higher than the rumored first-round pick swap and bench piece (https://x.com/FletcherWDSU/status/1933552361332420757) from the Philadelphia 76ers.

[PopTheGOAT]

Seems like Harper is highly coveted. Spurs are going to hold strong and draft him, I’m pretty confident of that and approve of that decision. If this dude is a bust, it’s going to be crazy to look back on some of these offers. All speculation, but sounds like Brooklyn is ready to sell the farm.

[DPG21920]

Seems like Harper is highly coveted. Spurs are going to hold strong and draft him, I’m pretty confident of that and approve of that decision. If this dude is a bust, it’s going to be crazy to look back on some of these offers. All speculation, but sounds like Brooklyn is ready to sell the farm.

BKY doesnt have a “farm” to offer though.

Even if they offered Cam Johnson + Claxton + 8 + 2 future unprotected firsts that’s not “a farm” imo. Cam and Claxton are ok players and pick 8 is fine and the 2 future firsts may or may not be worth all that much.

[objective]

Been thinking more about John Collins as the Durant rumors have turned sour.

He's not quite worth a first with his expiring deal, history of injuries and missing lots of games, and being 1 bad drug test from a year long suspension. He's also a problem in that from a team building perspective Spurs need a starter on a discount, under/about 20 a year, while for Collins that would be a pay decrease,.unlike say PJ Washington for whom 20 a year would be a raise and not seen as an insult.

Anyways

Maybe a swap down from 14 to 21 plus a couple of future seconds with Barnes/Malaki being the matching expiring salary.

Utah might even be able to flip Barnes if they have the stomach for taking on future bad money.

Pick 21 still has a fair chance at one of the many rumored Spurs guys like Fleming, Wolf, Essengue, Coward, Bryant, Sorber, Demin ,Newell, Joan, Raynaud ....

Sign Brook Lopez with the MLE and Spurs got themselves a stew going

[RC_Drunkford]

Been thinking more about John Collins as the Durant rumors have turned sour.

He's not quite worth a first with his expiring deal, history of injuries and missing lots of games, and being 1 bad drug test from a year long suspension. He's also a problem in that from a team building perspective Spurs need a starter on a discount, under/about 20 a year, while for Collins that would be a pay decrease,.unlike say PJ Washington for whom 20 a year would be a raise and not seen as an insult.

Anyways

Maybe a swap down from 14 to 21 plus a couple of future seconds with Barnes/Malaki being the matching expiring salary.

Utah might even be able to flip Barnes if they have the stomach for taking on future bad money.

Pick 21 still has a fair chance at one of the many rumored Spurs guys like Fleming, Wolf, Essengue, Coward, Bryant, Sorber, Demin ,Newell, Joan, Raynaud ....

Sign Brook Lopez with the MLE and Spurs got themselves a stew going

John Collins should be easy to get tbh. Either he opts out and you do a sign and trade or he (most likely) opts in and you do a trade with Utah. I don't think the Jazz will get a first for him. Ainge overplayed his hand with Collins and Lauri. I also don't think he's due for an increased salary. There won't be teams lining up offering him more than 25 million. Matter of fact most can't and you'll have to get him in a trade. Even if we get KD I would try to make Collins the next addition. We have the contracts to match. Throw in a bunch of second round picks with Keldon Johnson and Malaki Branham and we should be good to go.
He's another piece you can obtain on a bargain. These are exactly the deals Brian Wright should go after.

Also:

throw the MLE at this guy

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[PopTheGOAT]

BKY doesnt have a “farm” to offer though.

Even if they offered Cam Johnson + Claxton + 8 + 2 future unprotected firsts that’s not “a farm” imo. Cam and Claxton are ok players and pick 8 is fine and the 2 future firsts may or may not be worth all that much.
Yes not all farms are created equal.

Maybe my logic is bad but I have a moral issue with trading away #2. If you get lottery fortune like that I think you have to use it. Trying to flip lottery luck is the greed they talk about in the Bible.

[mo7888]

Yes not all farms are created equal.

Maybe my logic is bad but I have a moral issue with trading away #2. If you get lottery fortune like that I think you have to use it. Trying to flip lottery luck is the greed they talk about in the Bible.

I don't think that's the greed talked about in the Bible. I think if you get lucky and draw a high pick that you use it in a way that you thinks benefit your team most, even if that trading it. That said, I see no better use for #2 than drafting Harper. There's just no realistic trade that's worth more to us than Dylan Harper.

[ginobilized]

Been thinking more about John Collins as the Durant rumors have turned sour.

He's not quite worth a first with his expiring deal, history of injuries and missing lots of games, and being 1 bad drug test from a year long suspension. He's also a problem in that from a team building perspective Spurs need a starter on a discount, under/about 20 a year, while for Collins that would be a pay decrease,.unlike say PJ Washington for whom 20 a year would be a raise and not seen as an insult.

Anyways

Maybe a swap down from 14 to 21 plus a couple of future seconds with Barnes/Malaki being the matching expiring salary.

Utah might even be able to flip Barnes if they have the stomach for taking on future bad money.

Pick 21 still has a fair chance at one of the many rumored Spurs guys like Fleming, Wolf, Essengue, Coward, Bryant, Sorber, Demin ,Newell, Joan, Raynaud ....

Sign Brook Lopez with the MLE and Spurs got themselves a stew going

Some solid points here and an Arrested Development reference to the one and only Carl Weathers. Well done!

I'd much prefer PJ Washington to John Collins, great fit for us.

[baseline bum]

Seems like Harper is highly coveted. Spurs are going to hold strong and draft him, I’m pretty confident of that and approve of that decision. If this dude is a bust, it’s going to be crazy to look back on some of these offers. All speculation, but sounds like Brooklyn is ready to sell the farm.

Brooklyn's farm is shit. No reason to sell a winning lottery ticket for a grab bag of scratch offs.

[scott]

Can’t wait for my opportunity to once again post the annual “Spurs trading no one and getting nothing in return” Woj Bomb.

[Mr. Body]

Can’t wait for my opportunity to once again post the annual “Spurs trading no one and getting nothing in return” Woj Bomb.

I mean, they already made their major trade this year, didn't they though.

[PopTheGOAT]

Brooklyn's farm is shit. No reason to sell a winning lottery ticket for a grab bag of scratch offs.


Yes not all farms are created equal.

Maybe my logic is bad but I have a moral issue with trading away #2. If you get lottery fortune like that I think you have to use it. Trying to flip lottery luck is the greed they talk about in the Bible.

[baseline bum]

I don't think that's the greed talked about in the Bible. I think if you get lucky and draw a high pick that you use it in a way that you thinks benefit your team most, even if that trading it. That said, I see no better use for #2 than drafting Harper. There's just no realistic trade that's worth more to us than Dylan Harper.

Yeah only thing that could be realistically argued is Giannis since he's a top 3 player and likely has a lot of great years left. But the thought of three high end initiators, two with size and one of them having All NBA Defensive Team potential, is so tantalizing. Fox being like Tony Parker, Harper maybe becoming another Manu, and Steph becoming another Alvin Robertson OMFG. De'Aaron is already there and I think the two projections seem pretty reasonable and you throw those three in with Victor and we're talking a real problem for the rest of the league, even OKC.

[baseline bum]

Can’t wait for my opportunity to once again post the annual “Spurs trading no one and getting nothing in return” Woj Bomb.

Jokes on you, they'll trade away their second

[scott]

Jokes on you, they'll trade away their second

Plot foiled, once again! Damn you Brian Wright! :lol

[mo7888]

Yeah only thing that could be realistically argued is Giannis since he's a top 3 player and likely has a lot of great years left. But the thought of three high end initiators, two with size and one of them having All NBA Defensive Team potential, is so tantalizing. Fox being like Tony Parker, Harper maybe becoming another Manu, and Steph becoming another Alvin Robertson OMFG. De'Aaron is already there and I think the two projections seem pretty reasonable and you throw those three in with Victor and we're talking a real problem for the rest of the league, even OKC.

Yup... looking at what's out there, especially with Giannis staying in Milwaukee, this looks like the easiest of decisions to me..

[cutewizard]

https://youtu.be/Jby3uTHHDKI?si=DBHyfImX_pgnEZlu

[cutewizard]

The trades have begun......

[TD 21]

The trades have begun......

Mortal Kombat (1995): "It has begun!" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U_OkCsexjw)

[LeBowen]

Mortal Kombat (1995): "It has begun!" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U_OkCsexjw)

Good thing we have Elder God C(S)hinnok on our side. :lol

[dubross]

What would a hypothetical trade be for Jaren Jackson Jr? Heard Grizzlies may tear it down and both Ja and JJJ are up for extensions

[Mr. Body]

I'm sure the PHX brass is a little bit of "Fuck!" after the Desmond Bane trade, because they're not getting close to that and they have to deal with their fans.

[RC_Drunkford]

If Memphis tears it down, send Santi Aldama our way

[LeBowen]

If Memphis tears it down, send Santi Aldama our way

Remember that altercation Aldama and Bane had this season?
Maybe this was about Grizzlies making the choice between the two.
I expect him to stay now that they got rid of Bane's contract.

[Trueblood]

Just saw an article today entitled “5 best trades for Jaylen Brown” and it said the Spurs could offer #2, Castle, Vassell, and two future first rounders :lmao

[exstatic]

I'm sure the PHX brass is a little bit of "Fuck!" after the Desmond Bane trade, because they're not getting close to that and they have to deal with their fans.

If Bane is worth that, so is Devin, and he would be included. Flip the script on them.

[mo7888]

Remember that altercation Aldama and Bane had this season?
Maybe this was about Grizzlies making the choice between the two.
I expect him to stay now that they got rid of Bane's contract.

Didn't Memphis take more salary back than they sent out? That has to impact Aldanlma and JJJ extention unless they have another move in mind.

[Ariel]

Could we fleece the Kangz again for a 3rd time? 3-team deal? Those ATL picks could be juicy.

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That's not too crazy. You could emulate what Houston did with Brooklyn's picks when they traded them for 2x Phoenix picks, here Spurs could trade Atlanta's picks to Sacramento for, say, twice as much of their own picks. Then Sacramento could include them along with other stuff, in a trade for Trae that gives Atlanta control of their own firsts, which could be a safety cushion in case their retool hits a bump in the road.

[AFBlue]

What would a hypothetical trade be for Jaren Jackson Jr? Heard Grizzlies may tear it down and both Ja and JJJ are up for extensions

Devin + 5 FRPs/swaps?

[CGD]

Devin + 5 FRPs/swaps?

Hell, after that obscene Bane deal the price is probably 10 FRP unprotected.

[SpurSpike]

Just saw an article today entitled “5 best trades for Jaylen Brown” and it said the Spurs could offer #2, Castle, Vassell, and two future first rounders :lmao

That's like 10 FRP in value lol no team would pay that.

[scottspurs]

What would it take to get Jaren Jackson Jr.?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

JJJ probably won’t be traded because of his contract. A team that trade for him won’t be able to renegotiate and extend him without cap space and will have to let him get to unrestricted free agency, which is a risk. Memphis did a lot of moves around the deadline to clear up cap space for his contract so I’d expect them to max him out and if they’re trading him it’ll be down the line, not right now.

[Chillen]

Just saw an article today entitled “5 best trades for Jaylen Brown” and it said the Spurs could offer #2, Castle, Vassell, and two future first rounders :lmao

Boston would do that deal in a nano second. Than send the Spurs a thank you card for their next championship.

[Ice009]

What would it take to get Jaren Jackson Jr.?

Do you really want him on the team? I assume you rate him pretty highly? I actually don't think he's worth what it would cost to trade for him personally. I could be wrong, but I don't think he can carry a team anywhere. Very good individual player. I could be wrong. Let's see what Memphis can do led by him if they trade Ja (do you guys think Ja is getting traded?).


Just saw an article today entitled “5 best trades for Jaylen Brown” and it said the Spurs could offer #2, Castle, Vassell, and two future first rounders :lmao

That's one of the worst trades I've ever heard in regard to the Spurs' side of things. Freaking terrible trade for the Spurs. I'd probably be the closest I'd ever come to not being a fan anymore if that scenario went through. The D-White trade was bad enough.
I wanted Jaylen Brown back when Kawhi was on the block to get traded, but ever since then, he's just had too many miles on the body and his age is also getting up there to be trading away a bunch of young prospects when his body is breaking down a bit now (sort of like Kawhi). Then you have his salary on top of that.

[RC_Drunkford]

What would it take to get Jaren Jackson Jr.?

they not trading him and it doesn't make sense to trade for him. To match his salary is easy, but the salary for the extension is too low. JJJ wants the max or something close to it. That's why the Grizzlies will renegotiate his contract and then extend him, like Utah did with Lauri. That's not possible for teams that would trade for him, in which case this would be a huge risk, because he'd hit free agency next year.

[Chinook]

JJJ is a much better candidate to trade for around the deadline. He'll either be under his new deal or will be discounted as a rental.

[scott]

JJJ is a much better candidate to trade for around the deadline. He'll either be under his new deal or will be discounted as a rental.

Does JJJ on a reneg-and-extend have the same weird Aug 2 timing that gives him a very small window to get the deal done or be untradeable this year (like Lauri last year)?

[spurraider21]

JJJ is a much better candidate to trade for around the deadline. He'll either be under his new deal or will be discounted as a rental.
think ive said before that JJJ is the picture perfect PF to pair with wemby (though his rebounding inexcplicably leaves some to be desired)

but i dont see him being discounted at all and he's going to be exorbitantly expensive to acquire

[LeBowen]

think ive said before that JJJ is the picture perfect PF to pair with wemby (though his rebounding inexcplicably leaves some to be desired)

Not only rebounding.
His career playoff averages over 27 games are 16/6/1 on 39/33/81.

He's a good player and a positive contributor, but nowhere near worth max money.
John Collins performance in Hawks ECF run was more impactful than anything JJJ has done in the playoffs.

[Chinook]

Does JJJ on a reneg-and-extend have the same weird Aug 2 timing that gives him a very small window to get the deal done or be untradeable this year (like Lauri last year)?

Yeah, the Grizz can't trade him for six months after renegotiating him, and if the Spurs or another team trades for him, they can't renegotiate him for six months. Basically means Jackson is a guaranteed to go to free agency if he's traded during the summer.

[scott]

Yeah, the Grizz can't trade him for six months after renegotiating him, and if the Spurs or another team trades for him, they can't renegotiate him for six months. Basically means Jackson is a guaranteed to go to free agency if he's traded during the summer.

I know that part, I was more asking if JJJ is in that same scenario where he can't reneg-and-extend UNTIL August, which creates that limited window (just as Fox can't extend until August), or can they do it at any time to start the 6 month clock?

[Chinook]

I know that part, I was more asking if JJJ is in that same scenario where he can't reneg-and-extend UNTIL August, which creates that limited window (just as Fox can't extend until August), or can they do it at any time to start the 6 month clock?

Oh, his three-year anniversary was last October. So he should be extension eligible starting 07/01.

[scott]

Grizzles are supposedly hoping to work out a S&T for Santi, rather than retain him.

If KD falls through (or if maybe you'd just prefer Santi)... what about #14 and minimum outgoing salary for Santi?

https://www.reddit.com/r/MkeBucks/comments/1ld4oe0/the_grizzlies_are_hoping_to_work_out_a/

[mystargtr34]

Grizzles are supposedly hoping to work out a S&T for Santi, rather than retain him.

If KD falls through (or if maybe you'd just prefer Santi)... what about #14 and minimum outgoing salary for Santi?

https://www.reddit.com/r/MkeBucks/comments/1ld4oe0/the_grizzlies_are_hoping_to_work_out_a/

That is quite the development.

Santi would slot in beautifully at the 4 next to Wemby.

What would be the contact offer? 4/$80M and send them #14 + Keldon to match salaries.

[spurraider21]

am i wrong, or can sign and trades like that not even happen until after the FA period begins?

[scott]

am i wrong, or can sign and trades like that not even happen until after the FA period begins?

It would have to be, right?

But - you can trade the right to whomever you draft at #14... and you could have those conversations about a potential trade with MEM... and maybe MEM can have those conversations with Santi? Does that legally circumvent tampering rules? Or is that still a no-no?

[objective]

That is quite the development.

Santi would slot in beautifully at the 4 next to Wemby.

What would be the contact offer? 4/$80M and send them #14 + Keldon to match salaries.

I can't imagine Aldama being worth that much. Mediocre rebounder, no rim protection ... MLE at most, just a backup

[CGD]

Grizzles are supposedly hoping to work out a S&T for Santi, rather than retain him.

If KD falls through (or if maybe you'd just prefer Santi)... what about #14 and minimum outgoing salary for Santi?

https://www.reddit.com/r/MkeBucks/comments/1ld4oe0/the_grizzlies_are_hoping_to_work_out_a/

This is more appealing to me than KD honestly.

[CGD]

It would have to be, right?

But - you can trade the right to whomever you draft at #14... and you could have those conversations about a potential trade with MEM... and maybe MEM can have those conversations with Santi? Does that legally circumvent tampering rules? Or is that still a no-no?

Isn't there also a new rule that you can trade a guy into another teams MLE? Maybe Memphis having the TE (and picks) is more appealing to them than players? That said we also have that Barnes expiring.

Was reading that the Bane trade actually helped their financial squeeze, so not sure what their motivation would be otherwise in doing an ST as opposed to just re-signing him.

[Ariel]

Grizzles are supposedly hoping to work out a S&T for Santi, rather than retain him.

If KD falls through (or if maybe you'd just prefer Santi)... what about #14 and minimum outgoing salary for Santi?

https://www.reddit.com/r/MkeBucks/comments/1ld4oe0/the_grizzlies_are_hoping_to_work_out_a/
Yup, I'm in. Could they be interested in Vassell now that Bane is gone? That would be ideal. Aldama, LaRavia, NAW... all players that a playoff team could use.

[KobesAchilles]

Prove it year for Sochan (no extension)
sign LaRavia
Sign and trade Vassell for Giddy
MLE Kornet

[Ariel]

Prove it year for Sochan (no extension)
sign LaRavia
Sign and trade Vassell for Giddy
MLE Kornet
The rest I agree with, but Giddey... please no.

[onechance87]

Grizzles are supposedly hoping to work out a S&T for Santi, rather than retain him.

If KD falls through (or if maybe you'd just prefer Santi)... what about #14 and minimum outgoing salary for Santi?

https://www.reddit.com/r/MkeBucks/comments/1ld4oe0/the_grizzlies_are_hoping_to_work_out_a/

You dont trade a lottery pick to help faclitate a trade for someone like aldama.

[onechance87]

Yup, I'm in. Could they be interested in Vassell now that Bane is gone? That would be ideal. Aldama, LaRavia, NAW... all players that a playoff team could use.

Lol They dont want vassell or his salary.They will just draft someone like coward or clifford with there 16th pick they got
from orlando.

[Ariel]

Lol They dont want vassell or his salary.They will just draft someone like coward or clifford with there 16th pick they got
from orlando.
That's probably true, but I might even do a KCP + Aldama S&T. for Vassell + filler/asset. Spurs should exhaust every opportunity to put his salary slot to better use.

[RC_Drunkford]

It would have to be, right?

But - you can trade the right to whomever you draft at #14... and you could have those conversations about a potential trade with MEM... and maybe MEM can have those conversations with Santi? Does that legally circumvent tampering rules? Or is that still a no-no?

I'd say #14 is a slight overpay. This is the type of deal that's perfect for the Branham and Wesley contracts. Grizzlies can shave off salary and we get a good 4 back. But I'm not giving them #14 in a sign and trade. You can get John Collins for that.


Prove it year for Sochan (no extension)
sign LaRavia
Sign and trade Vassell for Giddy
MLE Kornet

you'll need the MLE for LaRavia. It's either him or Kornet. Both won't work cause they should demand around 10-13 million each.

[onechance87]

I'd say #14 is a slight overpay. This is the type of deal that's perfect for the Branham and Wesley contracts. Grizzlies can shave off salary and we get a good 4 back. But I'm not giving them #14 in a sign and trade. You can get John Collins for that.

Yup or we can trade the 14th pick for nets 26th and 27th pick and use one of them to help trade for aldama and use
the other pick to bring on another prospect.

[KobesAchilles]

I'd say #14 is a slight overpay. This is the type of deal that's perfect for the Branham and Wesley contracts. Grizzlies can shave off salary and we get a good 4 back. But I'm not giving them #14 in a sign and trade. You can get John Collins for that.



you'll need the MLE for LaRavia. It's either him or Kornet. Both won't work cause they should demand around 10-13 million each.
We don’t have any cap space? Ah dang. I was hoping we had cap space by losing CP3 and some other players to sign LaRavia. And then once we maxed out the cap space we could use the MLE on Kornet. Tbh I don’t really know our cap situation and how all that stuff works. I’d be a terrible GM in that aspect (and many more).

Man can I just cut somebody and spread their dead money. lol imma give Barnes back to the Kings :lol

[scott]

You dont trade a lottery pick to help faclitate a trade for someone like aldama.

It's not a lottery pick. It's the 14th pick. The lottery is over.

Whether or not the 14th pick is too much... yeah, maybe...

[T Park]

Prove it year for Sochan (no extension)
sign LaRavia
Sign and trade Vassell for Giddy
MLE Kornet

Josh Giddey?

What the fuck?

[T Park]

Who’s paying Jake Laravia 13 million?

[dn0774]

Giddy? Another guy that needs the ball all the time? That’s what we don’t want.

[objective]

No way Aldama gets more than the MLE on the open market. Brooklyn isn't wasting caproom on him.

How a modest, forgettable player who in 30+ minutes in 4 playoff games did 12 & 6 with zero free throw attempts, zero steals, 0.3 blocks per game became such a hot commodity .... C'mon, that's a bench guy and utility starter

He shot 41.7% from 3 but so what, Harrison Barnes could do what he did and he's washed beyond reckoning except for shooting

If they're going to burn #14 to pay a forward $20+ million a year, you could probably get a legit starter like John Collins or PJ Washington

[Chinook]

It would have to be, right?

But - you can trade the right to whomever you draft at #14... and you could have those conversations about a potential trade with MEM... and maybe MEM can have those conversations with Santi? Does that legally circumvent tampering rules? Or is that still a no-no?

That's a no-no. The Spurs cannot have discussions with Aldama or his agent before he becomes a free agent. So they can't come to terms on a contract and thus can't come to terms on a sign-and-trade. The NBA is very much a "spirit of the law" organization, so they wouldn't care about how the discussions actually went down. It would probably be a no-no even if the Spurs didn't have any discussions with Aldama until July and Memphis just happened to want the player the Spurs took at 14.

Not that the Spurs should even consider trading 14 for Aldama in the first place. Memphis either wants to re-sign him or they don't. They don't get a lotto pick for a guy they don't intend to bring back.

[objective]

No way Aldama gets more than the MLE on the open market. Brooklyn isn't wasting caproom on him.

How a modest, forgettable player who in 30+ minutes in 4 playoff games did 12 & 6 with zero free throw attempts, zero steals, 0.3 blocks per game became such a hot commodity .... C'mon, that's a bench guy and utility starter

He shot 41.7% from 3 but so what, Harrison Barnes could do what he did and he's washed beyond reckoning except for shooting

If they're going to burn #14 to pay a forward $20+ million a year, you could probably get a legit starter like John Collins or PJ Washington

Did some more research on him and his per 36 numbers in some categories are roughly in line with some of the other guys, so I'll give him that

I just don't like Aldama near as much, could be wrong about him

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfzJyKHhbW4

[objective]

Newest episode of Locked On Mavericks addressed a rumor heard from Barlowe that the Mavs were looking to trade back into the first round, and maybe shed some money while doing so.

So of course I think of 14 and matching salary (in this case Branham & Wesley, saves Mavs 4.5 million) for PJ Washington

This wasn't one of the many trade examples brainstormed on Locked On Mavericks. In fact, that show seemed convinced that other teams were really into the idea of trading their late first round picks for Olivier Maxence Prosper, the 23 year old who was drafted 24th 2 years ago and hasn't done Jack shit in the NBA. Wut? :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

Newest episode of Locked On Mavericks addressed a rumor heard from Barlowe that the Mavs were looking to trade back into the first round, and maybe shed some money while doing so.

So of course I think of 14 and matching salary (in this case Branham & Wesley, saves Mavs 4.5 million) for PJ Washington

This wasn't one of the many trade examples brainstormed on Locked On Mavericks. In fact, that show seemed convinced that other teams were really into the idea of trading their late first round picks for Olivier Maxence Prosper, the 23 year old who was drafted 24th 2 years ago and hasn't done Jack shit in the NBA. Wut? :lol

would be my main target if we get KD tbh. A little more mobile than John Collins and less salary coming in.

[mo7888]

Newest episode of Locked On Mavericks addressed a rumor heard from Barlowe that the Mavs were looking to trade back into the first round, and maybe shed some money while doing so.

So of course I think of 14 and matching salary (in this case Branham & Wesley, saves Mavs 4.5 million) for PJ Washington

This wasn't one of the many trade examples brainstormed on Locked On Mavericks. In fact, that show seemed convinced that other teams were really into the idea of trading their late first round picks for Olivier Maxence Prosper, the 23 year old who was drafted 24th 2 years ago and hasn't done Jack shit in the NBA. Wut? :lol

If we pulled 14 from our offer and sent Sochan instead then I wouldn't be opposed to this for PJ.

[KobesAchilles]

Josh Giddey?

What the fuck?
I like Giddy. I know I’m the only one who does :lol

He can pass, rebound, push the tempo, move without the ball, and is unselfish. Plus his shooting improved a lot but that’s only bc teams leave him wide open. Still he made a career high. I just want this team to play young and fast and have good ball movement and have high iq players on offense. Giddys IQ is 1000xs better than chuck up the ball when I get it Vassell.

[Mr. Body]

Newest episode of Locked On Mavericks addressed a rumor heard from Barlowe that the Mavs were looking to trade back into the first round, and maybe shed some money while doing so.

So of course I think of 14 and matching salary (in this case Branham & Wesley, saves Mavs 4.5 million) for PJ Washington

This wasn't one of the many trade examples brainstormed on Locked On Mavericks. In fact, that show seemed convinced that other teams were really into the idea of trading their late first round picks for Olivier Maxence Prosper, the 23 year old who was drafted 24th 2 years ago and hasn't done Jack shit in the NBA. Wut? :lol

That 14 for Washington is probably a pretty good deal if it can be managed. That's the type of player we need off the bench.

[cutewizard]

I like Giddy. I know I’m the only one who does :lol

He can pass, rebound, push the tempo, move without the ball, and is unselfish. Plus his shooting improved a lot but that’s only bc teams leave him wide open. Still he made a career high. I just want this team to play young and fast and have good ball movement and have high iq players on offense. Giddys IQ is 1000xs better than chuck up the ball when I get it Vassell.

..........................

I like Giddey too
Hope the Spurs take a look
Point forward

[ace3g]

Jordan Hawkins anyone?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GtrdorGXkAANMxI?format=png&name=900x900

[objective]

I've been mentioning a trade with Utah for Collins....

Something I hadn't realized is the Spurs have Utah's 2026 2nd rounder protected 56-60

Something else they can throw in to the deal

[bigzak25]

3 Way Team Trade.

Spurs Trade #2 to Milwaulkie.
Spurs Trade #14 to Phoenix.

Spurs get Giannis.
Spurs get Durant.

Rest is filler details.

Fox
Castle
Wemby
Giannis
Durant

[baseline bum]

3 Way Team Trade.

Spurs Trade #2 to Milwaulkie.
Spurs Trade #14 to Phoenix.

Spurs get Giannis.
Spurs get Durant.

Rest is filler details.

Fox
Castle
Wemby
Giannis
Durant

Then Spurs say goodbye to Wemby in 2027 after paying their entire cap to KD, Giannis, and Fox

[Extra Stout]

3 Way Team Trade.

Spurs Trade #2 to Milwaulkie.
Spurs Trade #14 to Phoenix.

Spurs get Giannis.
Spurs get Durant.

Rest is filler details.

Fox
Castle
Wemby
Giannis
Durant
Up to 30% of people with bipolar disorder binge eat during their manic episodes.

[exstatic]

Up to 30% of people with bipolar disorder binge eat during their manic episodes.

Or give away work laptop computers, and run naked in the streets.

[KobesAchilles]

Then Spurs say goodbye to Wemby in 2027 after paying their entire cap to KD, Giannis, and Fox
You don’t believe in Castle? Or Sochan? Bc if Castle is an all star like everyone here thinks he will be and Sochan learns how to shoot then the team will be very formidable going forward.
in 2027 We’d have MVP level Wemby
All NBA level Giannis
All star level Castle
DPOY Sochan??
And KDs money off the books and maybe some vets looking to ring chase to shore up the bench

[baseline bum]

You don’t believe in Castle? Or Sochan? Bc if Castle is an all star like everyone here thinks he will be and Sochan learns how to shoot then the team will be very formidable going forward.
in 2027 We’d have MVP level Wemby
All NBA level Giannis
All star level Castle
DPOY Sochan??
And KDs money off the books and maybe some vets looking to ring chase to shore up the bench

KD would be making a full 35% veteran max the year Victor would be eligible for a supermax extension.

[KobesAchilles]

KD would be making a full 35% veteran max the year Victor would be eligible for a supermax extension.
Meh we just cut him at that point. Eat the dead money. Or we just trade him since his contract will be up the next season. Keeping him long term is never in the cards. Tbh I would love to sign him to a 1+1 deal where that second year is a team option (if we do get him).

[tbdog]

Durant has 3 Allstar years left I reckon. After that, I don't know how quick the decline is. His game should gracefully age. His skill set and size is just not going away. He might have to be a full time 4 though and require a beast center to stop him getting banged. Defensively is what will be his decline.

[LeBowen]

Meh we just cut him at that point. Eat the dead money. Or we just trade him since his contract will be up the next season. Keeping him long term is never in the cards. Tbh I would love to sign him to a 1+1 deal where that second year is a team option (if we do get him).

If he actually wants another ring, he knows he can't be earning supermax money when Wemby's extension kicks in.
He seems like someone who wants to hoop until they carry him out in a body bag, I can easily see him play for 4 more years.

1+1 deal from which he opts out and then signs for 2 more years with a discount would be fair if competing is his priority.
Something like 80/2 would be fair.

[baseline bum]

Meh we just cut him at that point. Eat the dead money. Or we just trade him since his contract will be up the next season. Keeping him long term is never in the cards. Tbh I would love to sign him to a 1+1 deal where that second year is a team option (if we do get him).

Cutting him won't keep the Spurs out of the second apron and paying through the nose in luxury tax.

[Ice009]

Cutting him won't keep the Spurs out of the second apron and paying through the nose in luxury tax.

I was going to ask, don't you have to keep paying him and it counts against the cap if you cut him? I know KobeAchilles said he doesn't know much about the cap side of things, but I thought that was know by most people that it still counts against your cap if you cut him.

Can any of it be relieved from your cap if another team signs him for a significant amount? For example, if he's making say 50M and another team signs him after he's cut for 25M, does that mean the original team is off the hook for 25M?

[KobesAchilles]

I was going to ask, don't you have to keep paying him and it counts against the cap if you cut him? I know KobeAchilles said he doesn't know much about the cap side of things, but I thought that was know by most people that it still counts against your cap if you cut him.

Can any of it be relieved from your cap if another team signs him for a significant amount? For example, if he's making say 50M and another team signs him after he's cut for 25M, does that mean the original team is off the hook for 25M?
Even I know it counts against your cap :lol

I just thought you could spread the money around over several years.

[Ice009]

Even I know it counts against your cap :lol

I just thought you could spread the money around over several years.

Oh sorry, didn't mean anything by it. I thought you didn't know if counts against the cap. Good question if you can spread it out, but I would assume the player would have to agree with that when they're cut/let go? They might want it all the year it was due to them.

[RC_Drunkford]

KD would be making a full 35% veteran max the year Victor would be eligible for a supermax extension.

He will take a discount on the Spurs. Not 20 million, but he'll give us something.

[baseline bum]

He will take a discount on the Spurs. Not 20 million, but he'll give us something.

Giannis and Fox too?