Spurs trade ideas

[mo7888]

I'm taking Murphy tbh

Sure....but he's not for sale...

[Baam]

All the Zion haters will be the first to cry like babies when he scores 30 for fun on the Lakers or the Mavs.

[mo7888]

If all things were equal I'd take Ingram over Zion, but things aren't equal. Zions has a non-guaranteed contract and Ingram is looking for a long term near max deal. Based on that, I'd gamble on Zion over BI if that were the only options in a hypothetical.

[RC_Drunkford]

Can we make Zion the new Bobo? Or is he more like Big Dog Robinson? :lol

[scott]

I'm taking Murphy tbh

Yep. I'd go godfather offer for Murphy. He's gonna be a star in this league.

[Em-City]

Can we make Zion the new Bobo? Or is he more like Big Dog Robinson? :lol

Spurs comparison: Dejuan Blair

[jjspur]

Spurs comparison: Dejuan Blair

Yeah they both have an attitude and love cheeseburgers / tacos a bit too much.

[SpursBills]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muXmUzjNNKk

:wow

Oh boy. Sounds like he gone.

[cutewizard]

Hope the Spurs come up with some out-of-the-box trade ideas..............

Something truly unexpected

[exstatic]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muXmUzjNNKk

:wow

Oh boy. Sounds like he gone.

There’s no leverage on his part. The only team with any cap room next summer will be Brooklyn, and that would ruin their rebuild. Riles has said he’s not trading him, and I believe him, unless there is a S&T done next summer.

[scott]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9Z1WNd7EGQ

Not the first time I've seen LaRavia mentioned as a trade target. I like it, but he had his option declined and is in that strange scenario where it might be hard to resign him if you acquire him via trade. Might be better to just try and get him in FA. But, I think he'd be a really interesting wing option. 6'7" with a 6'10" wingspan. .444 on threes this year, but low volume (only 2.2 3PA/gm). Good defender, ranks 77% in Crafted DPM, around 80% in DARKO D-DPM and D-LEBRON. No clue what kind of deal he'll draw on the open market... but I'm guessing Memphis (or whomever trades for him if they do) can only offer a starting salary $5.1MM, and I think he'll command more than that. Strange decision for MEM to not pick up his 4th year, considering his performance last year and his role so far this year.

This guy also proposes Keldon + Collins + Bran + SA25 + CHI25 + ATL 27 + SA27 (w BOS swap) for Fox.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPin4h86tUM

[CGD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9Z1WNd7EGQ

Not the first time I've seen LaRavia mentioned as a trade target. I like it, but he had his option declined and is in that strange scenario where it might be hard to resign him if you acquire him via trade. Might be better to just try and get him in FA. But, I think he'd be a really interesting wing option. 6'7" with a 6'10" wingspan. .444 on threes this year, but low volume (only 2.2 3PA/gm). Good defender, ranks 77% in Crafted DPM, around 80% in DARKO D-DPM and D-LEBRON. No clue what kind of deal he'll draw on the open market... but I'm guessing Memphis (or whomever trades for him if they do) can only offer a starting salary $5.1MM, and I think he'll command more than that. Strange decision for MEM to not pick up his 4th year, considering his performance last year and his role so far this year.

This guy also proposes Keldon + Collins + Bran + SA25 + CHI25 + ATL 27 + SA27 (w BOS swap) for Fox.

Great video -- Im liking the Spurs continuing to be opportunistic on the margins at this deadline, and then going big in the Summer. Now, if the Spurs go on a big run in January it might force PATFO to reconsider, but if they stay at 11th seed i dont think they make a big splash in February.

His SAC trade is how i would approach it -- a deal focused on picks and salary.

[LeBowen]

Now, if the Spurs go on a big run in January it might force PATFO to reconsider, but if they stay at 11th seed i dont think they make a big splash in February.

This is the issue. I can almost guarantee not having a legit backup big between now and trade deadline will cost us at leat a few more wins. Wins that could decide if we make the play-in.
I understand that getting someone like Fox won't be easy, but with 20 SRPs available there's no excuse for Wright when it comes to Wemby's backup.


His SAC trade is how i would approach it -- a deal focused on picks and salary.

It's not about how Spurs would approach it, it's about what the Kings want.
They surely won't blow it up now, they'll want something of value.

I'd have Castle as untouchable, anything else goes assuming the price is fair.
Hawks picks could be key because they really need a 3-D wing. As good as Hunter has been this season, I'm sure Hawks would rather have those picks back.

[exstatic]

This is the issue. I can almost guarantee not having a legit backup big between now and trade deadline will cost us at leat a few more wins. Wins that could decide if we make the play-in.
I understand that getting someone like Fox won't be easy, but with 20 SRPs available there's no excuse for Wright when it comes to Wemby's backup.



It's not about how Spurs would approach it, it's about what the Kings want.
They surely won't blow it up now, they'll want something of value.

I'd have Castle as untouchable, anything else goes assuming the price is fair.
Hawks picks could be key because they really need a 3-D wing. As good as Hunter has been this season, I'm sure Hawks would rather have those picks back.

Spurs didn’t blow it up when they traded Kawhi,but they should have. If the kings trade Fox, they won’t have anyone good enough to build around for more than 35-40 wins, much like the post Kawhi Spurs. The absolutely SHOULD blow it up, monetizing pieces like Sabo while he has value.

[LeBowen]

Spurs didn’t blow it up when they traded Kawhi,but they should have. If the kings trade Fox, they won’t have anyone good enough to build around for more than 35-40 wins, much like the post Kawhi Spurs. The absolutely SHOULD blow it up, monetizing pieces like Sabo while he has value.

We're talking about one of the worst ran franchises in the league. If they can keep treadmilling around play-in for the rest of Sabonis' prime, that's exactly what they'll do.
As long as the tickets are sold, they don't really care.

[baseline bum]

We're talking about one of the worst ran franchises in the league. If they can keep treadmilling around play-in for the rest of Sabonis' prime, that's exactly what they'll do.
As long as the tickets are sold, they don't really care.

Such opportunity cost when they could instead tank for their next Marvin Bagley, Willie Cauley-Stein, Thomas Robinson, Nik Stauskas, or Ben McLemore.

[mo7888]

Such opportunity cost when they could instead tank for their next Marvin Bagley, Willie Cauley-Stein, Thomas Robinson, Nik Stauskas, or Ben McLemore.

Now that's a huge dose of perspective lol

[Leetonidas]

Not a butler fan at all but just for shits and giggles...


If Spurs went all in and Fox and Butler and only gave up Castle, Vassell, Keldon, Collins, and picks, is a Wemby/Fox/Butler big three good enough to win a chip this season? I'm leaning toward no but I think they would easily be the 2nd best team in the West and could possibly beat OKC to get to the Finals

[LeBowen]

Not a butler fan at all but just for shits and giggles...


If Spurs went all in and Fox and Butler and only gave up Castle, Vassell, Keldon, Collins, and picks, is a Wemby/Fox/Butler big three good enough to win a chip this season? I'm leaning toward no but I think they would easily be the 2nd best team in the West and could possibly beat OKC to get to the Finals

As I said in Fox topic, I think we can compete against anyone other than OKC with Fox, 3-D wing and a backup big.
Something like Fox, Cam Johnson and Valanciunas would make us really dangerous right away.

Devin, Tre (or Wesley if they prefer), swap returned and 2 more FRPs for Fox.
Keldon, FRP and swap (or Jeremy) for Cam Johnson.
Collins and 4 SRPs for Valanciunas.

Fox/Castle/Cam/Barnes/Wemby
or
CP3/Fox/Jeremy/Cam/Wemby

With Champagnie, CP3/Castle, Valanciunas as key bench pieces. Could find another wing for cheap if Jeremy goes.

[scott]

We're talking about one of the worst ran franchises in the league. If they can keep treadmilling around play-in for the rest of Sabonis' prime, that's exactly what they'll do.
As long as the tickets are sold, they don't really care.

Great point and an important thing to consider. Not ever franchise has the NBA Title as the primary goal. Vecenie discussed this in a recent pod, and Sacramento is one of those squads who doesn't need to be competing for titles to view themselves as being successful. Competing for the playoffs and selling out the stadium does it. If you keep that perspective in mind, it's easy to see why SAC would choose to reload over rebuild. When evaluating what other teams strategies, you have to keep in mind their larger motives.

[Leetonidas]

As I said in Fox topic, I think we can compete against anyone other than OKC with Fox, 3-D wing and a backup big.
Something like Fox, Cam Johnson and Valanciunas would make us really dangerous right away.

Devin, Tre (or Wesley if they prefer), swap returned and 2 more FRPs for Fox.
Keldon, FRP and swap (or Jeremy) for Cam Johnson.
Collins and 4 SRPs for Valanciunas.

Fox/Castle/Cam/Barnes/Wemby
or
CP3/Fox/Jeremy/Cam/Wemby

With Champagnie, CP3/Castle, Valanciunas as key bench pieces. Could find another wing for cheap if Jeremy goes.

I think that's not a terrible option but idk about us being as good as anyone sans OKC with that roster. Boston would still slap us and healthy Mavericks would still be trouble imo

[LeBowen]

I think that's not a terrible option but idk about us being as good as anyone sans OKC with that roster. Boston would still slap us and healthy Mavericks would still be trouble imo

Sorry, I meant in the West.

The more games I watch, the more I realize how flawed everyone is except OKC.
Grizzlies are actually scary because they keep racking up wins without half the roster in most games.
Others not so much.

Rockets have no offense whatsoever, when the game slows down in the playoffs they wont' be able to do shit.
Nuggets without Jokic aren't much better than current Spurs without Wemby, just a horrible roster.
Mavs should be legit, but Luka's calf injury looks serious and I doubt he'll be at 100% this season.
Others aren't even worth a mention if we're talking legit teams.

I firmly believe that we could reach WCF with Fox and Cam...and good coaching.

I don't even rate Cam that highly, but he's the best available 3-D wing.

And Fox/Castle/Champ/Cam/Wemby lineup would be good for another 5 seasons, both cap and timeline wise. With obvious room for growth.

[mo7888]

Just for fun-

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/phoenix-suns/news/suns-predicted-cut-ties-devin-booker-trade-spurs/3638ae07c51c05a2fda74eb2

[spurraider21]

Not a butler fan at all but just for shits and giggles...


If Spurs went all in and Fox and Butler and only gave up Castle, Vassell, Keldon, Collins, and picks, is a Wemby/Fox/Butler big three good enough to win a chip this season? I'm leaning toward no but I think they would easily be the 2nd best team in the West and could possibly beat OKC to get to the Finals
what's even the roster at that point?

Fox/Champagnie/Butler/Sochan/Wemby

Paul/Branham/Barnes/Mamu/Bassey

probably just have to start barnes at the 4 with that lineup

[Leetonidas]

what's even the roster at that point?

Fox/Champagnie/Butler/Sochan/Wemby

Paul/Branham/Barnes/Mamu/Bassey

probably just have to start barnes at the 4 with that lineup

I would probably start Barnes and rotate Sochan between backup PF and backup C depending on matchups

[scott]

Sorry, I meant in the West.

The more games I watch, the more I realize how flawed everyone is except OKC.
Grizzlies are actually scary because they keep racking up wins without half the roster in most games.
Others not so much.

Rockets have no offense whatsoever, when the game slows down in the playoffs they wont' be able to do shit.
Nuggets without Jokic aren't much better than current Spurs without Wemby, just a horrible roster.
Mavs should be legit, but Luka's calf injury looks serious and I doubt he'll be at 100% this season.
Others aren't even worth a mention if we're talking legit teams.

I firmly believe that we could reach WCF with Fox and Cam...and good coaching.

I don't even rate Cam that highly, but he's the best available 3-D wing.

And Fox/Castle/Champ/Cam/Wemby lineup would be good for another 5 seasons, both cap and timeline wise. With obvious room for growth.

I'm liking the idea of LaRavia more and more as a budget 3-D wing option, but it will have to wait for the summer when he is a UFA.

[LeBowen]

I'm liking the idea of LaRavia more and more as a budget 3-D wing option, but it will have to wait for the summer when he is a UFA.

You think they're content with Pippen Jr as the backup point guard?
Would they be interested in Tre-LaRavia swap? Maybe we could even add a couple of seconds.

[scott]

You think they're content with Pippen Jr as the backup point guard?
Would they be interested in Tre-LaRavia swap? Maybe we could even add a couple of seconds.

Can't trade for LaRavia, because he had his 4th year option declined meaning he can only resign for a starting salary of $5.1MM, which I think he's outplayed. So if you trade for him now, you're more than likely going to lose him this summer.

And I do think Memphis likes Pippen Jr, I doubt they'd want Tre.

[scott]

To my friend LeBowen's point... with a couple of smart moves we could make some real noise THIS year

https://i.redd.it/zdzujgkbgtae1.jpeg

[exstatic]

Not a butler fan at all but just for shits and giggles...


If Spurs went all in and Fox and Butler and only gave up Castle, Vassell, Keldon, Collins, and picks, is a Wemby/Fox/Butler big three good enough to win a chip this season? I'm leaning toward no but I think they would easily be the 2nd best team in the West and could possibly beat OKC to get to the Finals

No, and you’ve blown your wad for a team that will never shoot well enough, and you’ll never have another chance to refresh the roster. If you’re making two trades, one of them MUST be for a high volume, high percentage 3 pt. shooter.

[DPG21920]

If NOP is having a fire sale, why would they unload an expiring so that they can add multiple years of Keldon and Collins salary in exchange for a non-material pick?

For draft compensation and to re-route players who may have value too broken down into smaller salaries

[DPG21920]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9Z1WNd7EGQ

Not the first time I've seen LaRavia mentioned as a trade target. I like it, but he had his option declined and is in that strange scenario where it might be hard to resign him if you acquire him via trade. Might be better to just try and get him in FA. But, I think he'd be a really interesting wing option. 6'7" with a 6'10" wingspan. .444 on threes this year, but low volume (only 2.2 3PA/gm). Good defender, ranks 77% in Crafted DPM, around 80% in DARKO D-DPM and D-LEBRON. No clue what kind of deal he'll draw on the open market... but I'm guessing Memphis (or whomever trades for him if they do) can only offer a starting salary $5.1MM, and I think he'll command more than that. Strange decision for MEM to not pick up his 4th year, considering his performance last year and his role so far this year.

This guy also proposes Keldon + Collins + Bran + SA25 + CHI25 + ATL 27 + SA27 (w BOS swap) for Fox.

Hell no Im not giving up all those picks to pay Fox 50M.

[Dejounte]

Hell no Im not giving up all those picks to pay Fox 50M.

Those are picks in the teens that would amount to nothing for us. There really isnt that much value in picks when they are that low.

Especially the 2027 one where we will be a much better team

[scott]

For draft compensation and to re-route players who may have value too broken down into smaller salaries

"A non-material pick" (the term you used) is not adequate compensation to trade an expiring for multiple years of bums, lol.

[scott]

Those are picks in the teens that would amount to nothing for us. There really isnt that much value in picks when they are that low.

To be fair to DPG, he wants only wants trades where we completely take advantage and abuse the other team. TBH, this isn't really his strength :lol

[Dejounte]

To be fair to DPG, he wants only wants trades where we completely take advantage and abuse the other team. TBH, this isn't really his strength :lol

Yeah I don’t get this guy. Havent for years :lmao

[DPG21920]

"A non-material pick" (the term you used) is not adequate compensation to trade an expiring for multiple years of bums, lol.

It is when you dont want to pay Ingram and he walks for nothing and you dont have money to do anything even if he walks

[DPG21920]

To be fair to DPG, he wants only wants trades where we completely take advantage and abuse the other team. TBH, this isn't really his strength :lol

Laughing emojis aside, pretty sure I’ve put together more trades and salary scenarios than either of you guys ever have where things that happened in real world happened pretty close.

[scott]

It is when you dont want to pay Ingram and he walks for nothing and you dont have money to do anything even if he walks

Letting Ingram go for free is better than taking back additional years of negative assets. How is this even a question? :lol

[scott]

Laughing emojis aside, pretty sure I’ve put together more trades and salary scenarios than either of you guys ever have where things that happened in real world happened pretty close.

Sure, Jan

[DPG21920]

Those are picks in the teens that would amount to nothing for us. There really isnt that much value in picks when they are that low.

Especially the 2027 one where we will be a much better team

Theres plenty of value in those picks and luckily I dont think SA would do anything like that. We will see. As much as you like to cringe laugh at my “understanding of trades” you two woefully undervalue picks and think SA should over pay just because “they can”

OKC has more picks than SA, has every reason to over pay since they are legit contenders and even they dont do it. Wonder why?

[DPG21920]

Sure, Jan





I’ll be honest - perhaps it was my own lack of imagination before, but tonight I saw for the first time what perhaps was the point of all of this. If Wemby even shoots 36% from three, then these pump fake and drives he did tonight against the Wizards are going to be there. Eventually teams will adjust somewhat but it will just leave someone else open to shoot a three.

So, I eat some crow and say that I understand what the game plan might be here. I don’t expect Wemby to continue the tear he has been on the last 3 games from 3… but he doesn’t need to. When he’s shooting 22%, it’s a bad strategy. When he’s shooting 50%, he’s going to post insane games. When he’s shooting closer to average (which hopefully be in the 35%+ range), then the Spurs offense is going to work the way I assume they envision it.

Some of the shot selection can be cleaned up, but that will come over time.

It’s still early, but if we’re going to be around a .500 team, then my main point about having a high performing vet leader still stands. While I didn’t (and still wouldn’t) want DDR back, he’s an example of the kind of short term, All-Star Caliber vet who the team could use, IMO.

Anyway, this crow is delicious, and I’m happy to be eating it.

CROFL

[scott]

CROFL


Keldon would easily net a top 10 pick in this draft in a trade.

[CGD]

Such opportunity cost when they could instead tank for their next Marvin Bagley, Willie Cauley-Stein, Thomas Robinson, Nik Stauskas, or Ben McLemore.

This made me laugh. Dont forget they also drafted Jimmer….

[DPG21920]

Mine was more accurate than yours lmao. This draft was considered very weak. You being concerned and writing a novel about a 20 year old MVP candidate is orders of magnitude more silly.

But also shows we are both wrong at times and you snickering morons aren’t unique or any better :toast

[scott]

Mine was more accurate than yours lmao. This draft was considered very weak. You being concerned and writing a novel about a 20 year old MVP candidate is orders of magnitude more silly.

But also, servers to show we are both wrong at times and you snickering morons aren’t unique or any better :toast

Sure, Jan

[DPG21920]

Letting Ingram go for free is better than taking back additional years of negative assets. How is this even a question? :lol

Draft picks aren’t negative assets. Especially for a team that is cash strapped even if Ingram walks. Getting Keldon + a draft pick, even if its several seconds or a lotto protected first is still a very good deal in that situation IMO

Whether they are willing to take Colins too? Sure, remains to be seen, but that’s what I *personally* would be looking for if Im taking a risk on trading any picks for a player I dont control nor know if they fit.

[DPG21920]

Sure, Jan

:cry Im worried about Wemby yall! Who’s with me?!!”

MMMMMMM this crow sure taste great amiright everyone!!!

[scott]

:cry Im worried about Wemby yall! Who’s with me?!!”

MMMMMMM this crow sure taste great amiright everyone!!!

It's a discussion board. We discuss things.

I'm big enough to admit when I was wrong. Can the same be said about you? You're sticking with Keldon is worth a Top 10 pick, so I'm gonna go with no.

[DPG21920]

It's a discussion board. We discuss things.

I'm big enough to admit when I was wrong. Can the same be said about you? You're sticking with Keldon is worth a Top 10 pick, so I'm gonna go with no.

I just said I was wrong - did you miss it? I can quote it for you if you want.

[DPG21920]

Mine was more accurate than yours lmao. This draft was considered very weak. You being concerned and writing a novel about a 20 year old MVP candidate is orders of magnitude more silly.

But also shows we are both wrong at times and you snickering morons aren’t unique or any better :toast

[DPG21920]

Im of the opinion SA should be more open to trading players in trades as the form of compensation vs a lot of picks.

If you don’t think Vassell or Sochan or Keldon are the guys and you can aggregate salary into a better singular player (say Vassell for Fox) I would prefer that vs lesser players (salaries) and volume of picks.

Spurs need to get more talent and and shifting money to better players while still having picks to replenish and take shots at new higher ceiling talent (or for trades down the road) I think is the best option at the moment.

Which is why I would prefer something like Vassell + Keldon + 2 ok-ish picks vs Keldon + Collins + 4-5 firsts

[Degoat]

Spurs are really close to breaking that barrier into the Playoffs, definitely still missing a #2… I wish the spurs would look into it but it’s hard because we’re winning currently and you don’t want to break up the togetherness of the team.

[T Park]

Valanciunas and Cam Johnson can be had pretty easily and quickly right now....

[tbdog]

Just mucking around with trade machine. There is a deal that can be done with Nets/Spurs/Kings. Where Spurs get Cam and Fox. Kings get Johnson, Devin and Russell, and Nets gets picks Lyles and Heuter.

That's a retool Kings package I can see them taking.

[baseline bum]

Valanciunas and Cam Johnson can be had pretty easily and quickly right now....

Cam Johnson is gonna be expensive right now. Guessing Brooklyn wants two unprotected firsts and not willing to do that until we see how available Fox really is.

[baseline bum]

Just mucking around with trade machine. There is a deal that can be done with Nets/Spurs/Kings. Where Spurs get Cam and Fox. Kings get Johnson, Devin and Russell, and Nets gets picks Lyles and Heuter.

That's a retool Kings package I can see them taking.

So Spurs steal two good players and the Kings get fucked with no vaseline? :lol

[tbdog]

So Spurs steal two good players and the Kings get fucked with no vaseline? :lol

Yeah. Probably not hey.

[T Park]

Cam Johnson is gonna be expensive right now. Guessing Brooklyn wants two unprotected firsts and not willing to do that until we see how available Fox really is.

Fox 100% won't be available till this off season.

Trade them their own pick in 27 and 29. get Valanciunas for one or two of the millions of second round picks they have. match salaries. boom, you've improved the starting 3 and improved the back up center

[DPG21920]

Cam Johnson is gonna be expensive right now. Guessing Brooklyn wants two unprotected firsts and not willing to do that until we see how available Fox really is.

Two unprotected firsts for Cam???? If that ends up being the price I really hope SA doesnt bite.

[objective]

Cam isn't worth 2 firsts, he's just putting up fake high numbers on a bad team like Vassell and Keldon used to. He's an under 15 point per game guy on a real team

[TDMVPDPOY]

wheres the backup center?

[LeBowen]

Cam isn't worth 2 firsts, he's just putting up fake high numbers on a bad team like Vassell and Keldon used to. He's an under 15 point per game guy on a real team

The question is what kind of firsts?
Since contenders are looking at Cam, those picks are mostly in 20s, even in 25-30 range and Nets asking for two of those is fair.
I'm sure they'd take rather take one late lottery pick and a contract that's not a negative instead.

And I agree that he's kind of overrated because there are so few options on the market. But his contract is great and adds to his value.



wheres the backup center?

Our most pressing need and there are no news whatsoever.
Kessler
John Collins
Valanciunas
Olynyk
Vucevic
Capela
Just get of them, we can't make the playoffs with Collins.

Or even take a swing on someone who's not played much this season like Timelord or Tillman, 1:1 trade for Wesley or Branham.

[Davidicus]

I don’t follow the Jazz obviously, but John Collins next to Wemby is intriguing to me. Seems like a good pocket knife type player.


https://youtu.be/dgz1iLiktxw?si=cP_exvmIrkvf2h73

I also feel like Kessler as backup big would be good minutes, an obvious upgrade over Zollins.

It feels like there’s something there with a trade with Utah. J Collins + Kessler + Mills (bring him home PATFO!) for KJ + Zollins works for salaries. If just J Collins, then KJ + Branham work. I’m not sure what picks we’d have to throw in for either trade. Utah is in obvious tanking mode, but wondering who else is fishing for J Collins and Kessler.

[exstatic]

I don’t follow the Jazz obviously, but John Collins next to Wemby is intriguing to me. Seems like a good pocket knife type player.


https://youtu.be/dgz1iLiktxw?si=cP_exvmIrkvf2h73

I also feel like Kessler as backup big would be good minutes, an obvious upgrade over Zollins.

It feels like there’s something there with a trade with Utah. J Collins + Kessler + Mills (bring him home PATFO!) for KJ + Zollins works for salaries. If just J Collins, then KJ + Branham work. I’m not sure what picks we’d have to throw in for either trade. Utah is in obvious tanking mode, but wondering who else is fishing for J Collins and Kessler.

Utah’s asking price JUST FOR KESSLER is two FRPs. No thanks.

[Strategic]

wheres the backup center? Chris Paul got 8 boards. Maybe he can wear size seventeen shoes. Couldn’t look more clownish than what’s going on now.

[scott]

The question is what kind of firsts?
Since contenders are looking at Cam, those picks are mostly in 20s, even in 25-30 range and Nets asking for two of those is fair.
I'm sure they'd take rather take one late lottery pick and a contract that's not a negative instead.

And I agree that he's kind of overrated because there are so few options on the market. But his contract is great and adds to his value.






One thing to consider as well about the Nets is that timing of picks is going to matter. They already have 3 FRPs from playoff teams (MIL, HOU, NYK) coming this year and aren't going to want another. Apparently that's what made them favor the LAL deal for DFS over MEM, supposedly MEM was offering a lotto protected FRP this year and wanted SRPs coming back, but BKN decided they'd be better off with future LAL SRPs (one of which is conditional).

I do think that there might be a scenario where a play-in fringe playoff team could offer their FPR up, with one of BKN's late FRPs (like the NYK pick) going back, as a way for the Nets to upgrade that pick and even roll the dice on that team not making the playoffs and it turning into a lotto pick. We might be one of those teams that BKN could consider in that boat.

I'm not necessarily even advocating for this deal... as opposed to just suggesting it as possible, but would folks be interested in something like:

SA SENDS: Keldon + Best of CHI/ATL/SA25 + Some SRPS

BKN SENDS: Cam + Worst of HOU/NYK

I actually don't really love Cam Johnson that much and don't have a lot of interest in a late 20s pick in this draft, so I don't think I'm interested... but curious what others think.

I think it probably needs one more future FRP from San Antonio to happen (which even less interested in), but looking at BKN's pick stash, ours doesn't really align well with theirs at all. They have one pick in 26 (as do we, pending CHI), but 4 picks in 27, 4 picks in 28, 4 picks in 29, then 1 pick in 30, and 2 picks in 31.

[Davidicus]

Utah’s asking price JUST FOR KESSLER is two FRPs. No thanks.

Ew. Gotta love Ainge.

[DPG21920]

One thing to consider as well about the Nets is that timing of picks is going to matter. They already have 3 FRPs from playoff teams (MIL, HOU, NYK) coming this year and aren't going to want another. Apparently that's what made them favor the LAL deal for DFS over MEM, supposedly MEM was offering a lotto protected FRP this year and wanted SRPs coming back, but BKN decided they'd be better off with future LAL SRPs (one of which is conditional).

I do think that there might be a scenario where a play-in fringe playoff team could offer their FPR up, with one of BKN's late FRPs (like the NYK pick) going back, as a way for the Nets to upgrade that pick and even roll the dice on that team not making the playoffs and it turning into a lotto pick. We might be one of those teams that BKN could consider in that boat.

I'm not necessarily even advocating for this deal... as opposed to just suggesting it as possible, but would folks be interested in something like:

SA SENDS: Keldon + Best of CHI/ATL/SA25 + Some SRPS

BKN SENDS: Cam + Worst of HOU/NYK

I actually don't really love Cam Johnson that much and don't have a lot of interest in a late 20s pick in this draft, so I don't think I'm interested... but curious what others think.

I think it probably needs one more future FRP from San Antonio to happen (which even less interested in), but looking at BKN's pick stash, ours doesn't really align well with theirs at all. They have one pick in 26 (as do we, pending CHI), but 4 picks in 27, 4 picks in 28, 4 picks in 29, then 1 pick in 30, and 2 picks in 31.

Thats the type of deal I do only if you believe Cam really is a good longer term fit + if they take back a bad salary (Collins). I would do that if it’s Collins + Branham. Im fine using one of the firsts this year because we get one back and from BKY POV, Collins should be attractive since hes one less year than Keldon IMO (despite Keldon being a + player they can move later).

If we can turn Collins/Branham money into Cam, Im willing to do a swap of firsts (late lottery for late 20s) and some seconds. That seems reasonable. Then we also retain Keldon (for another trade or very real depth since hes actually a legit rotation player) to add to our depth vs detract

[LeBowen]

Thats the type of deal I do only if you believe Cam really is a good longer term fit

Cam is obviously a good fit, it's just that the question presents itself if he's worth it and is such a one-dimensional player what we need.

To put things into perspective, Cam's last season before he got the ultimate green light:
13.4/4.3/2.4 on 44/39/79, 27mpg.
Champagnie this season:
12/4.7/1.3 on 43/37/90, 27mpg.

Now obviously Champagnie is the ultimate bargain, but is Cam worth it when we got not that much worse version of Cam at home?
I'm the first one to say that we need another great 3-D wing with size, but the more I think about it, the more I'm certain we need a legit offensive weapon instead of someone one-dimensional.

It all comes down to the point guard situation. If we're getting Fox or someone similar who can score with ease, then Cam is what we need.
But if we go for a steady presence until Castle matures, then I'd rather have a higher level scorer like Markkanen (not specifically him, but you get the point) than Cam.

[DPG21920]

Cam is obviously a good fit, it's just that the question presents itself if he's worth it and is such a one-dimensional player what we need.

To put things into perspective, Cam's last season before he got the ultimate green light:
13.4/4.3/2.4 on 44/39/79, 27mpg.
Champagnie this season:
12/4.7/1.3 on 43/37/90, 27mpg.

Now obviously Champagnie is the ultimate bargain, but is Cam worth it when we got not that much worse version of Cam at home?
I'm the first one to say that we need another great 3-D wing with size, but the more I think about it, the more I'm certain we need a legit offensive weapon instead of someone one-dimensional.

It all comes down to the point guard situation. If we're getting Fox or someone similar who can score with ease, then Cam is what we need.
But if we go for a steady presence until Castle matures, then I'd rather have a higher level scorer like Markkanen (not specifically him, but you get the point) than Cam.

All fair points and I mostly agree - I think Cam is pretty damn solid, but not amazing, but hes not paid to be amazing. And on court (which is what matters most), assuming cost is reasonable in terms of picks, replacing 2 non-rotation players with another Julian would be a big win overall, especially because the money is mostly net-neutral for 2 years out of the 3 to do so.

But ya, Im not giving 2 lottery firsts for him, but in this other scenario where its trading back 10-14 spots and some 2nds? I think that’s the sweet spot.

[mo7888]

One thing to consider as well about the Nets is that timing of picks is going to matter. They already have 3 FRPs from playoff teams (MIL, HOU, NYK) coming this year and aren't going to want another. Apparently that's what made them favor the LAL deal for DFS over MEM, supposedly MEM was offering a lotto protected FRP this year and wanted SRPs coming back, but BKN decided they'd be better off with future LAL SRPs (one of which is conditional).

I do think that there might be a scenario where a play-in fringe playoff team could offer their FPR up, with one of BKN's late FRPs (like the NYK pick) going back, as a way for the Nets to upgrade that pick and even roll the dice on that team not making the playoffs and it turning into a lotto pick. We might be one of those teams that BKN could consider in that boat.

I'm not necessarily even advocating for this deal... as opposed to just suggesting it as possible, but would folks be interested in something like:

SA SENDS: Keldon + Best of CHI/ATL/SA25 + Some SRPS

BKN SENDS: Cam + Worst of HOU/NYK

I actually don't really love Cam Johnson that much and don't have a lot of interest in a late 20s pick in this draft, so I don't think I'm interested... but curious what others think.

I think it probably needs one more future FRP from San Antonio to happen (which even less interested in), but looking at BKN's pick stash, ours doesn't really align well with theirs at all. They have one pick in 26 (as do we, pending CHI), but 4 picks in 27, 4 picks in 28, 4 picks in 29, then 1 pick in 30, and 2 picks in 31.

I like Cam, and I really like his fit. As for the trade I'm with DPG on this. If we replace keldon with Zollins + Branham or Wesley then I'm good with it and I'd be willing to add the Charlotte faux 1st as a sweetener. If it's Keldon I'd keep the Charlotte pick and give them the lesser of our pick or Atlanta's

[DPG21920]

Notable on many fronts. Would appear SAC is trying to win still if true (Fox implications) and if OKC is involved, easy to see price getting driven up some?


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[CGD]

Cam is obviously a good fit, it's just that the question presents itself if he's worth it and is such a one-dimensional player what we need.

To put things into perspective, Cam's last season before he got the ultimate green light:
13.4/4.3/2.4 on 44/39/79, 27mpg.
Champagnie this season:
12/4.7/1.3 on 43/37/90, 27mpg.

Now obviously Champagnie is the ultimate bargain, but is Cam worth it when we got not that much worse version of Cam at home?
I'm the first one to say that we need another great 3-D wing with size, but the more I think about it, the more I'm certain we need a legit offensive weapon instead of someone one-dimensional.

It all comes down to the point guard situation. If we're getting Fox or someone similar who can score with ease, then Cam is what we need.
But if we go for a steady presence until Castle matures, then I'd rather have a higher level scorer like Markkanen (not specifically him, but you get the point) than Cam.

All the Cam Johnson nut riders should read the first part of your post. Basically, at Champs current production, familiarity with the team, fact he's younger, and on a better deal, the Spurs would basically be retarded to give up any real value for Cam Johnson.

[CGD]

Notable on many fronts. Would appear SAC is trying to win still if true (Fox implications) and if OKC is involved, easy to see price getting driven up some?


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Good

[DPG21920]

OKC getting Cam would be absolutely nasty lol

[CGD]

OKC getting Cam would be absolutely nasty lol

I dont know, id like to seem them pick up more size. The wing is not their issue (if they even have one).

[scott]

I like Cam, and I really like his fit. As for the trade I'm with DPG on this. If we replace keldon with Zollins + Branham or Wesley then I'm good with it and I'd be willing to add the Charlotte faux 1st as a sweetener. If it's Keldon I'd keep the Charlotte pick and give them the lesser of our pick or Atlanta's

If you’re getting Cam Johnson (and assuming Champ, Sochan and Barnes aren’t going anywhere), what do you need Keldon for? This summer, Collins as an expiring likely becomes a more valuable trade chip than Keldon, who’s a net negative with two years left.

[scott]

Also, unless we are getting someone like Fox, I don't think we should be so eager to send Tre Jones off. He's actually been pretty good this year (and the team overall has been better with him on the court - check the historical lineup analysis thread). The team isn't really deploying Castle as a PG, but rather as a secondary ball handling SG with another PG on the court, and I wouldn't be so quick to assume the Spurs view Castle as a PG now, or maybe even in the future.

[exstatic]

All the Cam Johnson nut riders should read the first part of your post. Basically, at Champs current production, familiarity with the team, fact he's younger, and on a better deal, the Spurs would basically be retarded to give up any real value for Cam Johnson.

Do we really only need one shooter? Or would it be better to have Cam AND Champagne? Cam is on a really good deal, 2 years and $42M after this season.

[DPG21920]

I dont know, id like to seem them pick up more size. The wing is not their issue (if they even have one).

Size? Disagree….they are a large team with Jalen, Chet, Hartenstein etc..

[DPG21920]

If you’re getting Cam Johnson (and assuming Champ, Sochan and Barnes aren’t going anywhere), what do you need Keldon for? This summer, Collins as an expiring likely becomes a more valuable trade chip than Keldon, who’s a net negative with two years left.

Keldon is a legit rotation player whether you like him or not. He’s got more value in a trade for SA next year than Collins and can still help now if you are making a deal to help the team win now.

[DPG21920]

Do we really only need one shooter? Or would it be better to have Cam AND Champagne? Cam is on a really good deal, 2 years and $42M after this season.

Agreed. With OKC being reported poking around dont think SA has a great shot here, but let’s say theoretically SA could get him. Being able to move Barnes to the bench with Keldon/Tre/Castle keeps that unit very, very strong and replacing non-rotation players (Collins/Bran) money with Cam and getting a starting group of CP / Dev / Cam / Sochan / Wemby is very nice.

[DPG21920]

Tre is a good player, but if hes the difference in getting a deal done or not? You move on. But yeah, I would prefer to keep him if at all possible for this season.

[mo7888]

If you’re getting Cam Johnson (and assuming Champ, Sochan and Barnes aren’t going anywhere), what do you need Keldon for? This summer, Collins as an expiring likely becomes a more valuable trade chip than Keldon, who’s a net negative with two years left.

Keldon just has more value than Collins. It's not so much about fit as it is having more assets to make another trade.

[The Truth #6]

How much does Ben Simmons have left on his contract? Could we dump some of our undesirables for him straight up? It's not a move for us to get better per se, but I'd love to move on from some of our contracts. Just spit balling.

We have too much fake depth that isn't helping us.

[DPG21920]

How much does Ben Simmons have left on his contract? Could we dump some of our undesirables for him straight up? It's not a move for us to get better per se, but I'd love to move on from some of our contracts. Just spit balling.

We have too much fake depth that isn't helping us.

To answer your question: Simmons has 40.3M this year and that’s it. He’s expiring. I doubt BKY takes on long term deal (like Collins or whatever) without draft compensation for doing so

[scott]

How much does Ben Simmons have left on his contract? Could we dump some of our undesirables for him straight up? It's not a move for us to get better per se, but I'd love to move on from some of our contracts. Just spit balling.

We have too much fake depth that isn't helping us.

Simmons is expiring this year. I imagine the Nets would want compensation back to absorb long term salary

[scott]

Do we really only need one shooter? Or would it be better to have Cam AND Champagne? Cam is on a really good deal, 2 years and $42M after this season.

If you're getting Cam, I think you probably need to look at moving Barnes or Sochan (Barnes make the most sense age and timeline wise, whereas fit-wise it probably makes more sense to have a Champ/Barnes/Cam wing rotation on offense, though we'd really miss Sochan's defense toughness and rebounding).

[scott]

Keldon just has more value than Collins. It's not so much about fit as it is having more assets to make another trade.

Not quite sure he does.

Keldon ranks 51st percentile in CraftedOPM, but 4th percentile in CraftedDPM and 11th percentile overall. He's earned the elusive "Replacement Level" and "Sieve" badges. Of course, CPM is just one metric, but this evaluation is echoed by DARKO DPM (among SFs), where he's bottom quartile in DPM, around 45th percentile in O-DPM and bottom 10% in D-DPM. His DPM peaked in 2022-23 (not surprisingly) and it's been a rapid bobsled ride down the mountain since.

Collins, on the other hand, is only 29th percentile in CraftedOPM, but is 62nd percentile in CraftedDPM and 37th percentile overall. However, Zach looks a lot worse on DARKO among Cs. Both these guys are pretty bad, but there scarcity that comes into play with Zach and his contract has more value once it becomes an expiring (which Keldon's will eventually become a year later, so it's not a huge delta - but enough when we're talking about marginal, overpaid players).

https://i.ibb.co/HgGkgGn/Keldon-DARKO.png

https://i.ibb.co/MggbsHd/Zach-DARKO.png

Now, if there was a gun to my head and I was forced to choose which one I'd want to insert into the game for 15 minutes on any given night... I'm taking Keldon 9 times out of 10... but that's not necessarily the same as gauging trade value. Neither of these guys are positive assets at this stage.

[r0drig0lac]

https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1875696741548437613

[scott]

^^^ Love that headline. The Spurs COULD have interest... they could also not! It's like a Schrödinger's Trade Scenario!

[Ocotillo]

I wonder how CP3 and Butlerr would work? If Paul is the team leader right now, would there be a lot of drama/conflict between the two?

[LeBowen]

Amico is garbage, it's just that people confuse him with reliable Amick.
Complete non-story.

[mo7888]

Not quite sure he does.

Keldon ranks 51st percentile in CraftedOPM, but 4th percentile in CraftedDPM and 11th percentile overall. He's earned the elusive "Replacement Level" and "Sieve" badges. Of course, CPM is just one metric, but this evaluation is echoed by DARKO DPM (among SFs), where he's bottom quartile in DPM, around 45th percentile in O-DPM and bottom 10% in D-DPM. His DPM peaked in 2022-23 (not surprisingly) and it's been a rapid bobsled ride down the mountain since.

Collins, on the other hand, is only 29th percentile in CraftedOPM, but is 62nd percentile in CraftedDPM and 37th percentile overall. However, Zach looks a lot worse on DARKO among Cs. Both these guys are pretty bad, but there scarcity that comes into play with Zach and his contract has more value once it becomes an expiring (which Keldon's will eventually become a year later, so it's not a huge delta - but enough when we're talking about marginal, overpaid players).

https://i.ibb.co/HgGkgGn/Keldon-DARKO.png

https://i.ibb.co/MggbsHd/Zach-DARKO.png

Now, if there was a gun to my head and I was forced to choose which one I'd want to insert into the game for 15 minutes on any given night... I'm taking Keldon 9 times out of 10... but that's not necessarily the same as gauging trade value. Neither of these guys are positive assets at this stage.

We'll We'll agree to disagree...

[mo7888]

^^^ Love that headline. The Spurs COULD have interest... they could also not! It's like a Schrödinger's Trade Scenario!

They gotta get clicks...

[scott]

Do we think Brian Wright looks at nights like tonight and says:

“We’re close! I should look at a few moves to close the gap!”

or

“We’re close! We just need to keep pounding the rock!”

[LeBowen]

Do we think Brian Wright looks at nights like tonight and says:

“We’re close! I should look at a few moves to close the gap!”

or

“We’re close! We just need to keep pounding the rock!”


I'm so rattled right now I just can't get over Collins costing us another game with 18 SRPs at our disposal and so many backup bigs being available.

Everyone else has at least some redeeming quality even though most are negative players, but a solid backup big is literally the difference between 8th and 11th seed.
If we don't get anyone before the deadline, I'm back to team Brian Wrong and I'm never switching again.

[scott]

I'm so rattled right now I just can't get over Collins costing us another game with 18 SRPs at our disposal and so many backup bigs being available.

Everyone else has at least some redeeming quality even though most are negative players, but a solid backup big is literally the difference between 8th and 11th seed.
If we don't get anyone before the deadline, I'm back to team Brian Wrong and I'm never switching again.

Yeah, even if Jonas will cost 5 FRPs, it’s not like 1) we don’t have them and 2) we ever fucking use them

[CGD]

Yeah, even if Jonas will cost 5 FRPs, it’s not like 1) we don’t have them and 2) we ever fucking use them

Jonas is a good offensive post player, but does nothing for the defense. I doubt he’s doing much better trying to Jokic tonight tbh. But I take the point about needing another big.

[tbdog]

I am not advocating for Butler. Very expenses and I think he will opt into his 50mil dollar contract next season. Pretty big risk for the Spurs when Wemby will be on his second last year of his rookie cheap deal, and you are paying a 36-37 year old $50mil.

I understand he usually outstays his welcome. But whoever trades for him will get a player out of vengeance. He will go hard for the rest of the way.

The positive side for the Spurs, lets say the Spurs trade Johnson, Barnes, Collins for Butler and filler eg Burks to make the deal work. Regardless if it works on or off the court, the Spurs still maintain that flexibility in the 2026. In fact probably have more flexibility as Johnson would not be on the team with one more year on the book.

[scott]

Premium talent comes at a Premium Price. I wonder when the Spurs are going to be willing to pay that price, or if they still want to be window shoppers and hope to catch that rare thrift store find. They've been saving up for the big purchase, but do they have the balls to do it?

I think Fox will be harder to get until (and only until) the Kings go on a slide before the deadline. If that doesn't happen, I don't think he'll be available.

It will be expensive, and a long shot, but I secretly hope that Wright is inquiring with Phoenix about Booker. Yes, Houston is the obvious destination... but Houston was also the obvious destination for Bridges.

I'm also content with minor moves like ones I've mentioned before and waiting until this summer to make the big move... but it's gotta be the summer at least, IMO. We're wasting cheap Wemby years otherwise.

[CGD]

Premium talent comes at a Premium Price. I wonder when the Spurs are going to be willing to pay that price, or if they still want to be window shoppers and hope to catch that rare thrift store find. They've been saving up for the big purchase, but do they have the balls to do it?

I think Fox will be harder to get until (and only until) the Kings go on a slide before the deadline. If that doesn't happen, I don't think he'll be available.

It will be expensive, and a long shot, but I secretly hope that Wright is inquiring with Phoenix about Booker. Yes, Houston is the obvious destination... but Houston was also the obvious destination for Bridges.

I'm also content with minor moves like ones I've mentioned before and waiting until this summer to make the big move... but it's gotta be the summer at least, IMO. We're wasting cheap Wemby years otherwise.

Booker to me makes a lot more sense than Fox tbh. It feels like that PHX situation is about to go sideways here soon.

[jesterbobman]

Booker to me makes a lot more sense than Fox tbh. It feels like that PHX situation is about to go sideways here soon.

I think Booker is Houston bound if it goes properly sideways. Houston has Phoenix picks now, and Jalen Green is secretly (???) not that good, though he has awesome moments. Booker for Green, those 4 picks and salary flotsam should trump anything we'd realistically through their way, as it gives them a chance to tank properly.

[RedAzSa]

Relying on mid/late FRPs won’t cut it. IMO we should either A) cash in for proven talent (Fox?) or B) pay a premium to move up to the top 4 of this draft (SAS 2025, ATL 2025, CHI 2025, SAS/ATL 2027)

[Obstructed_View]

There are no more than four guys on this roster I'd consider untradeable. But Vic needs a backup. Bad. And we have too many swingmen who can't fucking shoot.

[baseline bum]

Relying on mid/late FRPs won’t cut it. IMO we should either A) cash in for proven talent (Fox?) or B) pay a premium to move up to the top 4 of this draft (SAS 2025, ATL 2025, CHI 2025, SAS/ATL 2027)

No one's going to trade you the rights to Flagg, Harper, or Bailey for a few mid ass picks man. Gotta find a vet who wants out to come here to cash those chips in.

[Kurik]

I’ve never been a big fan but is there a downside to going from Vassell to Lavine? Yes the contract is massive but is only for 2 more years and comes off right in time for Wemby’s extension.

[tbdog]

I’ve never been a big fan but is there a downside to going from Vassell to Lavine? Yes the contract is massive but is only for 2 more years and comes off right in time for Wemby’s extension.

Player option, means no space when Wemby is still on a rookie deal.

[tbdog]

Booker to me makes a lot more sense than Fox tbh. It feels like that PHX situation is about to go sideways here soon.

The real prize is Edwards.

[CGD]

The real prize is Edwards.

Absolutely, but that’s on a longer time horizon I think.

[CGD]

I think Booker is Houston bound if it goes properly sideways. Houston has Phoenix picks now, and Jalen Green is secretly (???) not that good, though he has awesome moments. Booker for Green, those 4 picks and salary flotsam should trump anything we'd realistically through their way, as it gives them a chance to tank properly.

Definitely. Houston would be my bet for where he lands. They have so many things in their favor to make that happen.

[Pauleta14]

What if Spurs could traded for a coach?

It seems a priority to me.

[exstatic]

The real prize is Edwards.

A guy who cries during media time about being doubled? NBA on TNT was fucking roasting him. He’s taken a clear step back this year.

[LeBowen]

Brian Wright loses credibility with each passing day without a trade for a servicable backup big.
It's honestly a travesty that a team with 18 available SRPs can't get a fucking reliable backup big, our entire season depends on it.
We already lost games because of Collins and it's only going to get worse during this difficult stretch of games.

[Dejounte]

Brian Wright loses credibility with each passing day without a trade for a servicable backup big.
It's honestly a travesty that a team with 18 available SRPs can't get a fucking reliable backup big, our entire season depends on it.
We already lost games because of Collins and it's only going to get worse during this difficult stretch of games.

Other teams may be waiting until the trade deadline tbh

[Gandalf]

Absolutely, but that’s on a longer time horizon I think.

Possibly a ways off in the future, but it would also help that we have their lightly protected pick if they do decide to (or Edwards demand a) trade at some point. We’d be a more likely trade partner with that chip.

[exstatic]

Possibly a ways off in the future, but it would also help that we have their lightly protected pick if they do decide to (or Edwards demand a) trade at some point. We’d be a more likely trade partner with that chip.

The Minny pick is actually unprotected. The swap is the one that is lightly protected, #1 only.

The more likely trade partner, depending on on the timeframe, would be Utah, because they hold all of the assets Minny shipped over in the Gobert trade.

[CGD]

The Minny pick is actually unprotected. The swap is the one that is lightly protected, #1 only.

The more likely trade partner, depending on on the timeframe, would be Utah, because they hold all of the assets Minny shipped over in the Gobert trade.

True, although when that moment comes I doubt Utah wants to do the godfather offer for a player that won’t resign there. It’s a huge risk. We at least have Vic.

[SpursBills]

Was there any way last offseason to get Bitadze as an unrestricted free agent or would that have prevented us from getting Paul/Barnes? I assumed with the Magic having a surplus of centers before the Wagner injury that they wouldn't make a huge effort to sign him and actually advocated trying to get him as a free agent as a backup center while basically treating Collins like a sunk cost. He ended up signing for like 8 million a year which seemed like an underpay given his defensive EPM was like top 10 in the league last year in limited minutes.

[exstatic]

Was there any way last offseason to get Bitadze as an unrestricted free agent or would that have prevented us from getting Paul/Barnes? I assumed with the Magic having a surplus of centers before the Wagner injury that they wouldn't make a huge effort to sign him and actually advocated trying to get him as a free agent as a backup center while basically treating Collins like a sunk cost. He ended up signing for like 8 million a year which seemed like an underpay given his defensive EPM was like top 10 in the league last year in limited minutes.

Bitadze punched a coach while he was in Indy. He’s never going to be a Spur.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Was there any way last offseason to get Bitadze as an unrestricted free agent or would that have prevented us from getting Paul/Barnes? I assumed with the Magic having a surplus of centers before the Wagner injury that they wouldn't make a huge effort to sign him and actually advocated trying to get him as a free agent as a backup center while basically treating Collins like a sunk cost. He ended up signing for like 8 million a year which seemed like an underpay given his defensive EPM was like top 10 in the league last year in limited minutes.

Spurs had the room exception but Bitadze has a very questionable past. Doubt he was ever a target. Having a great season in Orlando though.

[Dverde]

Spurs showed interest in Lauri. Can’t they work a trade in the offseason for him. I know he can’t be traded mid-season. I still consider him the best option. Vassell doesn’t seem so untouchable to me nowadays.

[DPG21920]

I dont know how anyone can blame Wright here lol.

Spurs are in the hunt as a freaking playoff team as of now and they have all the draft capital and a nice looking cap sheet with opportunities abound. So some are mad at him for building a near playoff roster with all this potential to grow/build because he has not forced another team to trade an all star to SA in *checks notes* January?

How does that make sense? No one really even expected SA to be this good, he helped land CP/Barnes and added Castle + extra draft capital and now has the team in a position to be opportunistic for the right player(s) in a deal.

[ambchang]

As a backup but I’m thinking of Micah potter. Very little time as a third string centre for Utah is always a bad sign, but in the last few years in very low minutes he seems to be a decent shooter, rebounds a little, can pass somewhat, and is a neutral or a slight negative defender. Not the worst as a third stringer if bassey can move to a backup role (which o honestly don’t think he can) and ship zollins out with our second round picks for some cap relief.

CP also showed that the spurs require some strong PG play (if Tre didn’t already showed that last year), so I think PG is an important role to fill for the long term. I’m hoping castle can be that but I think we’d benefit with a true PG as a lead for the next few years. Someone like Cunningham would be perfect but that’s never going to happen. The issue is high end true point guards are rare in todays game as the league has shifted into a scoring PG league, but our focus is clearly wemby so a set up PG would be beneficial to our offence. Another alternative would be a bunch of players who are versatile and can pass the rock, like a bunch of secondary playmakers plus wemby. Castle would hopefully grow into that role, sochan shows some promise as a PF in that role but neither can shoot which severely limits their effectiveness.

Castle is a great secondary play maker and POA defender. I also think champaigne should have the shooter roll 3&D role locked down by now. If sochan (unlikely) and castle (I’m think he can) can turn into semi decent outside shooters to keep the defense honest, say 32% on 4 attempts a game, the spurs starting five will be pretty solid. But if sochan continue to stink it up from outside with that god awful slow release he either has to move to the bench or traded. It’s too bad because he’s a rather difficult to find prototype in this league.

Barnes is a good prototype for the other wing position, but someone more aggressive would be great. People are looking at cam Johnson for that role but I’m not overly convinced. He’s a very limited player and the asking price is high for a growing team like the spurs. I still thinking Jabari smith jr would be an awesome fit with us but Houston won’t let him go u less the spurs are willing to give up way over market for him.

[pad300]

If the suns blow it up (trading booker to HOU for their picks back), we should try for Durant...

Durant
for
(Keldon, Collins, Branham, Wesley + best FRP of SAS/ATL 2025 + CHA 2025 FRP + best FRP of SAS/ATL 2027 + SAS 2029 FRP )
or (Vassell, Collins + worst FRP of SAS/ATL 2025 + CHA 2025 FRP + worst FRP of SAS/ATL 2027 + SAS 2029 FRP)

[KingKev]

If the suns blow it up (trading booker to HOU for their picks back), we should try for Durant...

Durant
for
(Keldon, Collins, Branham, Wesley + best FRP of SAS/ATL 2025 + CHA 2025 FRP + best FRP of SAS/ATL 2027 + SAS 2029 FRP )
or (Vassell, Collins + worst FRP of SAS/ATL 2025 + CHA 2025 FRP + worst FRP of SAS/ATL 2027 + SAS 2029 FRP)

Keep dreaming. Going to take more than 3 FRPs plus our scraps. You need to attach mid to late FRPs to both Zollins and Keldon just to get them of our books.

[onechance87]

If the suns blow it up (trading booker to HOU for their picks back), we should try for Durant...

Durant
for
(Keldon, Collins, Branham, Wesley + best FRP of SAS/ATL 2025 + CHA 2025 FRP + best FRP of SAS/ATL 2027 + SAS 2029 FRP )
or (Vassell, Collins + worst FRP of SAS/ATL 2025 + CHA 2025 FRP + worst FRP of SAS/ATL 2027 + SAS 2029 FRP)

would be nice to get durant....But could for sure see okc come in and take durant easily if hes available.

[LeBowen]

would be nice to get durant....But could for sure see okc come in and take durant easily if hes available.

KD is too important to just be traded somewhere against his will.
He's got just one year left after this one and he'll be 37 before the next season starts.
Suns won't be able to ask for more than two unprotected FRPs and a solid player.

[spursistan]

The real prize is Edwards.
Yeah i think we will start hearing the "he wants out" rumors at the 2026 deadline or the following offseason that year. Devin Booker sooner than that; Suns will begin listening on him next Summer (Rockets are favorite due to them owning PHX pick) . Spurs most definitely will explore a Fox trade but won't empty the cupboard for him, which they would for Ant otherwise.

[Kurik]

Player option, means no space when Wemby is still on a rookie deal.

Who are the Spurs going to sign with cap space over the next couple of years?

[KingKev]

Heat fans turning on Jimmy. Miami not exactly a sports city but he probably tarnished his status in Miami for that retirement lol

https://bleacherreport.com/post/nba/5f26aa4b-cb5e-49fd-8339-00c3da245f9a

[RC_Drunkford]

I think for the trade deadline we should look at minor upgrades. The main player who should be traded is Tre Jones. Yes I know he has a good plus/minus, but he can't shoot and is on an expiring 9 million dollar contract. His contract seems to be a valuable trade asset. You can add in Mamu and Bassey for 2 million each expiring as well. Of course Keldon, Malaki and Blake should always be on the table.

trade targets:

Valanciunas: the obvious back up big we should go after who's on a reasonable contract for 2 more years at 10 million each. I think we should always look at filling out the back up C spot with a cheap vet, those are easy to get.
DiVincenzo: would add some shooting to our team and Minny seems to want to move him, makes 11 million this year and 12 million 2 years after
John Collins: would give you all the "Wemby lobs it to Sochan" plays we're running while also being able to spread the floor with his 3-point shooting. He's also somewhat able to play small ball C, although not ideal.
Cam Johnson: no need to say much more, but he is not that good of an defender as people here think. He can only guard SFs.

Then for the 2025 offseason we need to make some real additions. While the Spurs have clearly planned for the 2026 offseason with only 44 million commited in salary (not counting Sochan's extension which would kick in that year), I think there should be some accelaration in 2025 giving how good Wemby is already. You really need to add a star while Wemby is on a rookie contract as well as Castle and Champagnie is still cheap.

I'd definitely want to keep CP3 if he accepts a bench role, just to have him for another year as a players coach. The most valuable contracts that season will be Zach Collins and Barnes on 18 and 19 million expiring deals. While I'd like to keep Barnes, 19 million is way too much for him and you could package him for an upgrade in a trade with a team that wants to free up salary.

Free agency targets:

Naz Reid: would be an amazing addition cause he can play PF and C. Would make a Valanciunas addition unneccessary
Alexander-Walker: 3-and-D
Jake La Ravia: 3-and-D
Kuminga: not a good 3-point shooter, but I'd sign him for the right number off potential alone. Of course not for 30 million per year like he demanded, but I doubt he gets that on the open market.
Tyus Jones: Tre with a jump shot, if you don't keep CP3 he'd be a nice addition
Quentin Grimes: SG, 10PPG, 40% 3-point shooter
Ty Jerome: not sure how good his defense is, but overall great numbers
Gary Trent Jr.: He's one of those bench scorers everybody talks about adding. Plays a different role for the Bucks, but was filling it up for the Raptors before.

Even if it's just Valanciunas and two 3-and-D players, those would improve this team by a wide margin compared to what we have now.

trade targets:

DeAaron Fox: the obvious PG addition to get Wemby a co-star. Largely depends on the price, but you'd obviously want to retain as many good players as possible while getting him
Lauri Markkanen: the dream never dies!!!! (Same as Fox basically, just different position)
Dejounte Murray: don't care about his stats on the weakass Pels, he'd be a good addition if you want to surround Wemby with a bunch of 3rd options instead of a clear number 2
KD: if the Suns blow it up, Booker should be Houston bound. KD on the other hand...
Herb Jones: pipe dream I guess
Jaren Jackson Jr.: if he doesn't sign an extension with the Grizzlies, do whatever you can to get this guy. Perfect 4 to pair with Wemby. Most likely another pipe dream.

We only need to add about 3 players tbh. Of course a co-star would be the move that moves the needle the most. Add in that we should get 2 draft picks who can then replace the Branham's and Wesley's on the team and are hopefully better from the get-go.

[tbdog]

Who are the Spurs going to sign with cap space over the next couple of years?

Not just about signing. It's about options and trades.

[tbdog]

A guy who cries during media time about being doubled? NBA on TNT was fucking roasting him. He’s taken a clear step back this year.

He has taken a clear step forward. The team has gone backwards since the trade.

[scott]

Here's an idea that works salary wise. Add picks as needed. Probably CHI25 back to CHI and two FRPs from SA to SAC? Maybe CHI sends some SRPs back to SA.

I think Lavine is probably the kind of soft reload that SAC would prefer, which CHI gets off Lavine and a less expensive tank commander in his place.

https://i.ibb.co/2MP151m/spotrac-nba-trade-machine-1736122790831.png

[mo7888]

Butler, McCollum, Ingram, Zion, LaVine, and Vuc- All of these guys on the market. It looks like there are more sellers than buyers..

[KingKev]

Butler, McCollum, Ingram, Zion, LaVine, and Vuc- All of these guys on the market. It looks like there are more sellers than buyers..

Just need to see one or two of these guys change hands to set the market.

[KobesAchilles]

I mean Booker was literally crying in a SL game about being double teamed. At least on the Spurs, Ant wouldn’t be double teamed. Also think this was Ant calling out Minny FO rather than moaning about being double teamed. He misses KAT and they traded him for fucking JR :lol

[scott]

Beam is being lit on the regular now. 30 point win @GSW Fox probably not going anywhere anytime soon (though they did do that without Fox today. Maybe SAC will get the impression they can live without him)

[spurraider21]

im way lower than consensus here on Cam Johnson. yes, i like him. yes, he'd be an awesome starting 3 to have as basically your fourth or fifth best starter. but he's an average-ish defender with next to no positional versatility. his contract is solid but i dont like giving up legit first round capital for a guy like that.

i like the concept of scott's 3-team deal to get Fox here, but derozan/lavine is a movie everybody has seen before...

i liked john collins a few years ago, and he looks like he's past the hand/finger injury that killed his jumper for a minute there. he's playing well this year. he's an upgrade to sochan in basically every way apart from defending guards... but if castle is meant to be the perimeter stopper anyway, thats fine by me.

i think jonas is fine, but doesnt make sense unless zollins' deal is offloaded, and i dont know what kind of capital its going to take to make that type of swap

[Kurik]

What do the Spurs do with Tre? Try to lock him up on a team friendly deal in the offseason or trade him for something while you can?

[RC_Drunkford]

Tre needs to be shipped out for a rotation piece that can shoot. His expiring contract coupled with some 2nd rounders is valuable enough to bring in such a player.

[quentin_compson]

John Collins is a decent player, but he lacks the size to play at the 5. Unless you want to play small ball all the time with him on the floor, I don't think he would be a good option as a backup C.

[RC_Drunkford]

John Collins is a decent player, but he lacks the size to play at the 5. Unless you want to play small ball all the time with him on the floor, I don't think he would be a good option as a backup C.

Agree, but he would be a great starting PF

[SpurSpike]

Instead of going after a big fish now I would rather wait to see if Ant man becomes available and get some supporting pieces like Val or even try to bring Peoltl back, his salary matches up with Zollins nicely...

[R. DeMurre]

Bitadze punched a coach while he was in Indy. He’s never going to be a Spur.

I remember an argument Bitadze and Greg Foster had where Foster was suspended by Indy for a game and Bitadze was fined... when did he punch a coach?

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31399589/sources-indiana-pacers-suspend-assistant-coach-greg-foster-fine-goga-bitadze-court-exchange

Goga has the potential to be the most impactful back up center in the league, plus he's only 25 and still improving. Definitely my favorite target.

[Dverde]

The best trade is the one you don’t make :pop:

[scott]

Instead of going after a big fish now I would rather wait to see if Ant man becomes available and get some supporting pieces like Val or even try to bring Peoltl back, his salary matches up with Zollins nicely...

I hope we don't get in this routine where we are just standing pat for the unlikely scenario that one of the games' elite players suddenly becomes available. Would hate for Wemby to have to go through 7 years of subpar surrounding casts because we're keeping the powder dry just in case Ant becomes available.

[Davidicus]

Agree, but he would be a great starting PF

I’m still high on John Collins. Would love to see him next to Wemby. Could slot Jeremy to the 3 with HB a focal point of second unit (last DEN prime example of his abilities). Could send out Zollins + Tre and have Bassey and Blake step up for rest of year.

[itzsoweezee]

“Conversations between the two sides led to whispers around the league of a potential package featuring Obi Toppin, Aaron Nesmith, at least one unprotected first-round pick, and other draft assets.”

Spurs have to be able to beat the Pacers’ poo poo platter offer for Cam Johnson

[Mr. Body]

“Conversations between the two sides led to whispers around the league of a potential package featuring Obi Toppin, Aaron Nesmith, at least one unprotected first-round pick, and other draft assets.”

Spurs have to be able to beat the Pacers’ poo poo platter offer for Cam Johnson

An unprotected first and other draft assets isn't nothing.

[DPG21920]

And Toppin had a really solid year last season and Nesmith is a player who shoots absolutely lights out from 3. Those two plus an unprotected first (and more) is a REALLY strong offer IMO

[exstatic]

Instead of going after a big fish now I would rather wait to see if Ant man becomes available and get some supporting pieces like Val or even try to bring Peoltl back, his salary matches up with Zollins nicely...

Ant Edward’s probably wouldn’t become available until 2028, at the earliest. His contract runs through 2029.

[scott]

“Conversations between the two sides led to whispers around the league of a potential package featuring Obi Toppin, Aaron Nesmith, at least one unprotected first-round pick, and other draft assets.”

Spurs have to be able to beat the Pacers’ poo poo platter offer for Cam Johnson

I'd be interested in participating in this and having Nesmith getting routed here. BKN may be looking at him as someone who's value they can increase to flip later though.

[DPG21920]

Marks owes us some favors

[rjv]

i'd be okay with cam johnson but not over the moon about it. he can score but he's not very efficient. but we are desperate for scorers.

[itzsoweezee]

i'd be okay with cam johnson but not over the moon about it. he can score but he's not very efficient. but we are desperate for scorers.

He’s an elite shooter at pretty high volume. Exactly the type of player Wemby needs to be surrounded by.

[Baam]

Trade Sochan + the ATL pick for the best guy you can get : low stakes, will be addition by subtraction anyway. Take a swing instead of trading another pick for the 2031 rebuild after Wemby walks... Zion Ingram Cam whoever

[scott]

i'd be okay with cam johnson but not over the moon about it. he can score but he's not very efficient. but we are desperate for scorers.

Yeah I might be on an island, but I'd rather have Nesmith as an upgrade to Keldon than Cam Johnson as an upgrade to Barnes right now.

Cam Johnson doesn't get me as excited as he does others.

[mo7888]

Honestly, I'd be fine with beating that offer for Cam, but I'd be equally happy (maybe More-so actually) by sending additional draft capital to Brooklyn and getting Obi, Walker, and Nesmith out of the deal.

Brooklyn- Keldon + Sochan
Spurs- Obi + Walker + Nesmith
Pacers- Cam + Branham

Brooklyn would get the first + other considerations from Indy and we'd add to it...

[DPG21920]

Spurs been rumored last off season and now again to Nembhard…

[scott]

Honestly, I'd be fine with beating that offer for Cam, but I'd be equally happy (maybe More-so actually) by sending additional draft capital to Brooklyn and getting Obi, Walker, and Nesmith out of the deal.

Brooklyn- Keldon + Sochan
Spurs- Obi + Walker + Nesmith
Pacers- Cam + Branham

Brooklyn would get the first + other considerations from Indy and we'd add to it...

This is a lot more change than the Spurs FO usually can tolerate, but I really like this. This is the kind of thing I'd try to pull off in 2K, lol.

This would inject a lot of promise and shooting into our wing position, but it does carry a bit of risk. Can Walker maintain his shooting on higher volume? Can these guys increase their REB%? Can we get Obi to play some defense?

It does give us a little bit of logjam at the wings... but maybe Toppin can be rerouted elsewhere for a backup C or with Vassell for Fox :hat

CP3/Tre
Vassell/Castle
Champ/Nesmith
Barnes/Toppin/Walker
Wemby/Collins/Bassey

[exstatic]

i'd be okay with cam johnson but not over the moon about it. he can score but he's not very efficient. but we are desperate for scorers.

HIS FUCKING TRUE SHOOTING PERCENTAGE IS 67! That is fucking elite, and the very DEFINITION of efficient.

[objective]

If the suns blow it up (trading booker to HOU for their picks back), we should try for Durant...

Durant
for
(Keldon, Collins, Branham, Wesley + best FRP of SAS/ATL 2025 + CHA 2025 FRP + best FRP of SAS/ATL 2027 + SAS 2029 FRP )
or (Vassell, Collins + worst FRP of SAS/ATL 2025 + CHA 2025 FRP + worst FRP of SAS/ATL 2027 + SAS 2029 FRP)

It sounds good to me.

Vecenie was speculating on his podcast that the market for a 36 year old Durant at 51 million would be thin. I don't disagree, Suns can't take back more money and getting contending teams to a number close enough would be hard.

OKC I've seen speculated with all their picks and such but they realistically can't make the salary work this season. They can't get to it unless it's like a 5 for 1 deal with Dort, Joe, Wiggins, Kenrich and Topic and that's a big order to get through.

So I could see the Spurs being able to get in on Durant cheaper than some might think. Durant doesn't hurt the 2026 summer free agency plan, and a Durant trade could be a good way off having to overpay Sochan.

Sochan becomes the most valuable part of the Spurs deal.

Sochan
Keldon
Zollins OR Barnes
1 first rounder

Could be the best deal they're going to get for Durant if they blow it up and trade Booker to Houston near the deadline.

[KingKev]

^ that is absolutely rediculous. Keldon, Zollins and Barnes aren’t even expiring till this summer or later.

[scott]

HIS FUCKING TRUE SHOOTING PERCENTAGE IS 67! That is fucking elite, and the very DEFINITION of efficient.

The problem with Cam, IMHO, is that he's going to cost a significant price because he is extremely efficient and has a good contract and is overall SOLID... but you're going to pay that price for a 3rd or 4th option on a contending team. I want us to start cashing in our trade chips, but personally I'd rather overpay for a legit #2 than pay (inflated) market prices for a #3 or #4 based on where we are as a team right now.

If we had that #2 in place already, I'd feel differently... but just my opinion is that we either make a big move for that #2 or just (relatively) small cost moves to shore up the periphery. I think someone like Nesmith or Jonas would be relatively small cost but big impact, and may even allow someone like Devin a better opportunity to prove himself. Right now, like everyone else, they are having to overcome the shortcomings of our roster and its an extra burden.

[mo7888]

This is a lot more change than the Spurs FO usually can tolerate, but I really like this. This is the kind of thing I'd try to pull off in 2K, lol.

This would inject a lot of promise and shooting into our wing position, but it does carry a bit of risk. Can Walker maintain his shooting on higher volume? Can these guys increase their REB%? Can we get Obi to play some defense?

It does give us a little bit of logjam at the wings... but maybe Toppin can be rerouted elsewhere for a backup C or with Vassell for Fox :hat

CP3/Tre
Vassell/Castle
Champ/Nesmith
Barnes/Toppin/Walker
Wemby/Collins/Bassey

On Walker, I've been a believer since college. My BB looked like this back then-

Tier 1:
1. Victor Wembanyama
Tier 2:
2. Scoot Henderson
Tier 3:
3. Jarace Walker
4. Cam Whitmore
5. Amen Thompson
6. Brandon Miller
7. Ausar Thompson
8. Taylor Hendricks
9. Gradey Dick

Ive always thought he had more upside (and to be fair) and a little more downside than Sochan, but I like gambling on the upside. He's also further away from getting paid.

[LeBowen]

HIS FUCKING TRUE SHOOTING PERCENTAGE IS 67! That is fucking elite, and the very DEFINITION of efficient.

The question is how seriously can we take this season's stats? I'm not saying he isn't a good player and that he wouldn't be a great fit, it's that he's playing with the ultimate green light on a team noone really cares about.
They don't need to put the effort in to defend him because it's easy enough to beat the Nets without maximum effort.

Here's my post from a couple of days ago:

Cam is obviously a good fit, it's just that the question presents itself if he's worth it and is such a one-dimensional player what we need.

To put things into perspective, Cam's last season before he got the ultimate green light:
13.4/4.3/2.4 on 44/39/79, 27mpg.
Champagnie this season:
12/4.7/1.3 on 43/37/90, 27mpg.

Now obviously Champagnie is the ultimate bargain, but is Cam worth it when we got not that much worse version of Cam at home?
I'm the first one to say that we need another great 3-D wing with size, but the more I think about it, the more I'm certain we need a legit offensive weapon instead of someone one-dimensional.

It all comes down to the point guard situation. If we're getting Fox or someone similar who can score with ease, then Cam is what we need.
But if we go for a steady presence until Castle matures, then I'd rather have a higher level scorer like Markkanen (not specifically him, but you get the point) than Cam.

[objective]

^ that is absolutely rediculous. Keldon, Zollins and Barnes aren’t even expiring till this summer or later.

So? If Phoenix blows it up they won't care, they'll be in the gutter for a few years no matter what and those guys will be tank commanders. Might even be able to rehab Keldon's value with tank touches and move him on later.

[scott]

On Walker, I've been a believer since college. My BB looked like this back then-

Tier 1:
1. Victor Wembanyama
Tier 2:
2. Scoot Henderson
Tier 3:
3. Jarace Walker
4. Cam Whitmore
5. Amen Thompson
6. Brandon Miller
7. Ausar Thompson
8. Taylor Hendricks
9. Gradey Dick

Ive always thought he had more upside (and to be fair) and a little more downside than Sochan, but I like gambling on the upside. He's also further away from getting paid.

Yeah I like Walker in general. My only fear is how effective he can be at using that big frame to be a force on the boards. He's kind of like Toppin in that regard, they look like they should be good rebounders but they don't really deliver in that regard. Walker is only 8.8 reb/100 pos for his career. Toppin is at 9.9 this year. By comparison, Sochan is up to 13.8 this season. Rebounding is already a problem for this team I'm afraid to compound that problem. But... I love your trade idea.

[mo7888]

Yeah I like Walker in general. My only fear is how effective he can be at using that big frame to be a force on the boards. He's kind of like Toppin in that regard, they look like they should be good rebounders but they don't really deliver in that regard. Walker is only 8.8 reb/100 pos for his career. Toppin is at 9.9 this year. By comparison, Sochan is up to 13.8 this season. Rebounding is already a problem for this team I'm afraid to compound that problem. But... I love your trade idea.

I think there's more holes in Obi's game than Walker's even though he's the better player right now. Walker hasn't really had opportunities behind Pascal and Obi.

[jjspur]

With the trade deadline coming up next month, I see 3 players who the spurs should try to possibly trade.

Zollins - His salary makes him a bit difficult to trade because we'll to add some extra assets to get anything of value back if at all.
Bassesy - Unless the spurs want to keep him as just a 3rd string center, we should trade him for someone with a little more potential even if we have to add a second round pick or two. He may be more valuable to other teams than he is to us.
Trey Jones - For 9 million per seasons, teams should expect more from their back up pg. He's not elite at anything so his salary is a bit much for what little he does. Does anyone think he deserves a raise next year ?

The spurs have improved quite a bit from last year, but not because of these guys. If they really want to improve, they need better players than these 3. Throw in Branham and Wesley into that group as well.

[scott]

Edit: not worth the energy

[itzsoweezee]

The question is how seriously can we take this season's stats? I'm not saying he isn't a good player and that he wouldn't be a great fit, it's that he's playing with the ultimate green light on a team noone really cares about.
They don't need to put the effort in to defend him because it's easy enough to beat the Nets without maximum effort.

Here's my post from a couple of days ago:

I think the spurs have the assets to get both an elite role player and a #2 guy. Maybe I’m wrong, but if the opportunity is available to get the elite role player, they should do it now and not wait until they have their #2 in place. After all, you can’t have too many big, elite three point shooters. And who knows if champagnie’s production this year will carry forward. This is an outlier season for him given the rest of his career

[SpurSpike]

I hope we don't get in this routine where we are just standing pat for the unlikely scenario that one of the games' elite players suddenly becomes available. Would hate for Wemby to have to go through 7 years of subpar surrounding casts because we're keeping the powder dry just in case Ant becomes available.

That's not really what I meant, I agree that Victor needs a #2 to help take some of the scoring burden but I don't want us to blow our load on the 1st borderline all-star that becomes available either. We have other areas that need improving and we should focus on that. If you have a team that is mostly built and are just missing that one piece to push you over the edge it will be more enticing for those upper level players to come over. Its not really an unlikely scenario that one of the games elite players would become available, seems to happen almost every year these days.

[exstatic]

The question is how seriously can we take this season's stats? I'm not saying he isn't a good player and that he wouldn't be a great fit, it's that he's playing with the ultimate green light on a team noone really cares about.
They don't need to put the effort in to defend him because it's easy enough to beat the Nets without maximum effort.

Here's my post from a couple of days ago:

His career TS% is 61, and that’s still really fucking good.

If you’re talking scenarios, they won’t be able to closely defend him here, because there’s this guy named Victor that everyone is paying attention to.

[LeBowen]

His career TS% is 61, and that’s still really fucking good.

If you’re talking scenarios, they won’t be able to closely defend him here, because there’s this guy named Victor that everyone is paying attention to.

Imo, Cam's fit depends on the rest of the lineup.
We ideally need a triple threat scorer, right now we have noone since Devin looks pretty bad.

CP3/Castle/Cam/Barnes/Wemby doesn't have enough self-creation. Even if you replace a guard with Champ it's still questionable.
Cam would be ideal if we also get Fox.

[exstatic]

The problem with Cam, IMHO, is that he's going to cost a significant price because he is extremely efficient and has a good contract and is overall SOLID... but you're going to pay that price for a 3rd or 4th option on a contending team. I want us to start cashing in our trade chips, but personally I'd rather overpay for a legit #2 than pay (inflated) market prices for a #3 or #4 based on where we are as a team right now.

If we had that #2 in place already, I'd feel differently... but just my opinion is that we either make a big move for that #2 or just (relatively) small cost moves to shore up the periphery. I think someone like Nesmith or Jonas would be relatively small cost but big impact, and may even allow someone like Devin a better opportunity to prove himself. Right now, like everyone else, they are having to overcome the shortcomings of our roster and its an extra burden.

I won’t contest any of those points, because I was addressing only one point in the quoted post: his efficiency.

I think you may be overstating the market cost. There are really only 3 teams with a large amount of stashed FRPs: us, OKC, and Houston. If only a few teams have the currency you want, it becomes harder to extract it. There are some rumors floating about OKC being interested in, but I have a hard time believing they’ll trade regular roster guys plus picks for another guy making $20+M when they have a decently large payroll already, and Chet and Jalen up for extensions this summer.

[scott]

That's not really what I meant, I agree that Victor needs a #2 to help take some of the scoring burden but I don't want us to blow our load on the 1st borderline all-star that becomes available either. We have other areas that need improving and we should focus on that. If you have a team that is mostly built and are just missing that one piece to push you over the edge it will be more enticing for those upper level players to come over. Its not really an unlikely scenario that one of the games elite players would become available, seems to happen almost every year these days.

All good points, but personally I hope we go the opposite approach and focus on that #2 foundational piece first. I think it's easier to add those other support pieces but it's harder to get the #2 guy.

Lots of different ways to skin the cat though!

[scott]

I won’t contest any of those points, because I was addressing only one point in the quoted post: his efficiency.

I think you may be overstating the market cost. There are really only 3 teams with a large amount of stashed FRPs: us, OKC, and Houston. If only a few teams have the currency you want, it becomes harder to extract it. There are some rumors floating about OKC being interested in, but I have a hard time believing they’ll trade regular roster guys plus picks for another guy making $20+M when they have a decently large payroll already, and Chet and Jalen up for extensions this summer.

It is very possible! If Cam only costs 1 FRP, then I'm a lot more interested. It's when we start talking things like an FRP + young talent or 2 FRPs that I bow out.

Like I said elsewhere, I think upgrading Keldon into Nesmith (for example) would be a better (and cheaper) use of resources than upgrading Barnes into Cam, but I could definitely be wrong on that!

One thing I'll contest, however, is that the pool of competing teams is larger than us, OKC and Houston. Yeah, we may be the only teams with stashed picks, but it doesn't take a huge stash of picks to get Cam. Every year we seem teams (perhaps foolishly) dipping into their short reserve of tradeable picks for moves like this.

[LeBowen]

Not all FRPs are equal, they're asking for 2 because those would most likely be late FRPs.
Offer them a Hawks pick and they'd probably accept.

[scott]

Not all FRPs are equal, they're asking for 2 because those would most likely be late FRPs.
Offer them a Hawks pick and they'd probably accept.

My presumption is that the Nets ask is for future FRPs, not 2025 FRPs, where they already have 4 (and part of the reason they took LAL's offer for DFS over MEM's).

I'm of the philosophical belief that any pick beyond 2026 should be viewed through the lens of random variance.

[spurraider21]

I’m still high on John Collins. Would love to see him next to Wemby. Could slot Jeremy to the 3 with HB a focal point of second unit (last DEN prime example of his abilities). Could send out Zollins + Tre and have Bassey and Blake step up for rest of year.
collins has been around for a while (many of us wanted him here when we were still trying to build around murray)... but he also just turned 27 before the season started

utah basically got him for free as atlanta was shedding salary and he's gotten himself back into form after his hand injury. they did well to rehabilitate his value. with that said, he has a 26.5mil player option next year. with his strong play and at his prime age, i would imagine he opts out and could be pretty expensive

think he'd replace sochan in the starting unit, not play alongside him

[LeBowen]

utah basically got him for free as atlanta was shedding salary and he's gotten himself back into form after his hand injury. they did well to rehabilitate his value. with that said, he has a 26.5mil player option next year. with his strong play and at his prime age, i would imagine he opts out and could be pretty expensive


He's not going to get more than what he's on now. He got to Utah because he was seen as a negative contract, now he got some of his value back, but he's not getting more than ~25 million a year on his next deal, maybe even lower if it's a contender.
There's very little cap space available around the league and he'll probably opt into that last year.


think he'd replace sochan in the starting unit, not play alongside him

Sochan is a SF in our starting lineup, Barnes plays the PF role and mostly guards bigger forwards because Jeremy is chasing oppositon's best player around.

I think Wemby/Collins/Sochan would be a solid 3 man frontcourt rotation, Collins can't really start as a center, but he's more than capable for 10 to 15 minutes against backups.
It seems like a lot of money to take back, but Tre+Keldon+Collins for Sexton+Collins would be a big upgrade for us if it can be done with only 1 FRP added.

[spurraider21]

Sochan is a SF in our starting lineup, Barnes plays the PF role and mostly guards bigger forwards because Jeremy is chasing oppositon's best player around.
not to go with the "positionless" meme but there are shades of gray here. sometimes sochan chases around perimeter guys like edwards/luka/booker. but other times he ends up being matched against the opposing 4. kind of depends on who the other team's primary scorer is. certainly offensively, barnes is the 3 and sochan is the 4, if not even a 5. he's been almost exclusively a paint scorer this year while barnes camps out in the corner.

sochan's rebounding has been one of his better attributes this year, beacuse he's gotten adept at boxing out bigs

i think for most purposes he's a 4 except for the occasional defensive matchup that dictates he slide down

[Spurs Brazil]

.
San Antonio Spurs

Trade candidate: Keldon Johnson, Guard

As the Spurs' fortunes have risen with Victor Wembanyama's arrival, Johnson's production has trended in the wrong direction. A 22.0 PPG scorer in 2022-23, prior to Wembanyama, Johnson is barely averaging half that figure this season (12.2).

Johnson's decline from a career 35% 3-point shooter to 27% this season is especially mysterious. Given Johnson's foul shooting (76%) is unchanged, he's likely to bounce back beyond the arc and at age 25 could be an interesting candidate for a team looking to execute a low-cost trade.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/43298903/nba-trade-deadline-2025-player-most-likely-traded-all-30-teams

[KingKev]

Lol hopefully other GMs don’t correlate us letting KJ run the show in 22-23 was a critical factor in getting Wemby

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Rather get Nesmith for a lower price than Cam Johnson. Indiana’s offer is damn good, wouldn’t want the Spurs to compete with that but as a 3rd team to get something out of it it’d be nice.

[exstatic]

.
San Antonio Spurs

Trade candidate: Keldon Johnson, Guard

As the Spurs' fortunes have risen with Victor Wembanyama's arrival, Johnson's production has trended in the wrong direction. A 22.0 PPG scorer in 2022-23, prior to Wembanyama, Johnson is barely averaging half that figure this season (12.2).

Johnson's decline from a career 35% 3-point shooter to 27% this season is especially mysterious. Given Johnson's foul shooting (76%) is unchanged, he's likely to bounce back beyond the arc and at age 25 could be an interesting candidate for a team looking to execute a low-cost trade.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/43298903/nba-trade-deadline-2025-player-most-likely-traded-all-30-teams

I can tell you what broke his shot this year. He had the ball inside the arc, and was being shadowed by a shot blocker. He put up a sky ball/moonshot high arc jumper and made it, but from that shot going forward, he’s putting too much air under his 3pt jumper.

[exstatic]

Rather get Nesmith for a lower price than Cam Johnson. Indiana’s offer is damn good, wouldn’t want the Spurs to compete with that but as a 3rd team to get something out of it it’d be nice.

They’re not comparable players. Cam is a 6’8” forward and Nesmith is a guard. We already have guards sitting on the bench gathering dust, and too many forwards without a 3pt shot.

[KingKev]

Lol hopefully other GMs don’t correlate us letting KJ run the show in 22-23 was a critical factor in getting Wemby

Actually on second thought maybe we SHOULD advertise Keldon’s key role in landing Wemby. Ya’ll wan’t Cooper Flagg? Well we over here have just what you need; Keldon Johnson, certified tank commander.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

They’re not comparable players. Cam is a 6’8” forward and Nesmith is a guard. We already have guards sitting on the bench gathering dust, and too many forwards without a 3pt shot.

Nesmith isn’t a guard at all. He’s a wing, strong, decent on defence, efficient and doesn’t need the ball.

But anyway, wasn’t comparing him to Cam Johnson, he’s just a guy who appears to be available, cheaper and on a great contract.

[BatManu20]

Spurs need to hope PHX keeps losing more games so they decide to blow it up and trade us KD and/or Booker tbh. They've lost 7 of their last 9 and are now the 12th seed in the West. Their pairing of KD, Book, and Beal simply isn't working and it's not going to. I'm hoping they lose every single game they play the rest of the way tbh.

They have an easier stretch coming up playing the Hornets twice, Jazz, Pistons, Wizards twice, ATL twice and then the Cavs being the only contender sprinkled in there. We'll see how they get through this stretch. But either KD or Book would be a Godsend to this team and no way they run it back again next year with the same group if they miss the Playoffs this year imo. Would be a perfect time for them to sell those guys for young players + draft capital and begin their rebuild for what's beginning to look like a loaded 2026 Draft Class.

[Splits]

The Spurs are competing for a spot in the play-in, and trading for Butler accelerates the timeline around Victor Wembanyama (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/5104157/victor-wembanyama). It could also stunt the development of the third-youngest roster in the NBA.San Antonio has the contracts, draft picks and is well positioned financially to take back Butler in a trade. Because it is well below the apron, San Antonio would only need to send out $40 million in contracts. Not including Wembanyama, the Spurs have seven players earning between $9 million and $30 million.
Over the next seven years, the Spurs have 12 first-rounders and 19 second-rounders available to trade. -- Marks

One trade that works
Spurs get: Jimmy Butler
Heat get: Harrison Barnes (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6578/harrison-barnes), Malaki Branham (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4565201/malaki-branham), Keldon Johnson (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4395723/keldon-johnson), 2025 first-round pick (worst of Atlanta, Charlotte top-14 protected, Chicago top-10 protected and San Antonio)

Since Miami likely would not be interested in taking back Zach Collins (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4066650/zach-collins)' contract, San Antonio probably would have to include both Barnes and Johnson in any Butler trade offer. It's possible both could start at forward for the Heat, and Johnson (age 25) could be a long-term contributor in Miami. The Spurs probably don't need to include multiple first-round picks because the one they're sending is likely to be in the teens in June's draft. -- Pelton

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/43041391/how-jimmy-butler-preferred-trade-destinations-land-him

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[LeBowen]

Those ideas are pointless because Butler rejected Memphis and Milwaukee, he wants to go to Phoenix.
Hopefully Riley makes him sit the season out.

[scott]

Those ideas are pointless because Butler rejected Memphis and Milwaukee, he wants to go to Phoenix.
Hopefully Riley makes him sit the season out.

Jimmy Butler: I want to play literally anywhere other than Miami...

Jimmy Butler (a few days later): ...so long as it is in one of these 3 very specific places.

[spurraider21]

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/43041391/how-jimmy-butler-preferred-trade-destinations-land-him

michaelscottnogodno.gif
as much as im against the idea of a butler trade, if thats the cost of getting keldon and branham off the team... you son of a bitch, i'm in

[LeBowen]

Apparently Grizzlies were close to completing the deal and then Jimmy's agent told them he's not interested.
I wonder which players they were willing to give up. They have too many solid players, we could use some.

As you said, at this point it's so bad that I want a trade to happen just to get rid of some of these scrubs.

[rjv]

Jimmy Butler: I want to play literally anywhere other than Miami...

Jimmy Butler (a few days later): ...so long as it is in one of these 3 very specific places.

jimmy is gonna jimmy. just happy that SA is on not on his list of preferred destinations.

[The Truth #6]

Emo Jimmy.

[Spurs Brazil]

Since Miami likely would not be interested in taking back Zach Collins' contract, San Antonio probably would have to include both Barnes and Johnson in any Butler trade offer. It's possible both could start at forward for the Heat, and Johnson (age 25) could be a long-term contributor in Miami. The Spurs probably don't need to include multiple first-round picks because the one they're sending is likely to be in the teens in June's draft. -- Pelton

:lol People really don't watch Spurs games.

[100%duncan]

Apparently Grizzlies were close to completing the deal and then Jimmy's agent told them he's not interested.
I wonder which players they were willing to give up. They have too many solid players, we could use some.

As you said, at this point it's so bad that I want a trade to happen just to get rid of some of these scrubs.

What a cancerous moron. Jimmy and Pat is a match made in heaven. Egotistical maniacs

[scott]

I'm fascinated by how aggressive MEM is being in the trade market.

[exstatic]

Spurs need to hope PHX keeps losing more games so they decide to blow it up and trade us KD and/or Booker tbh. They've lost 7 of their last 9 and are now the 12th seed in the West. Their pairing of KD, Book, and Beal simply isn't working and it's not going to. I'm hoping they lose every single game they play the rest of the way tbh.

They have an easier stretch coming up playing the Hornets twice, Jazz, Pistons, Wizards twice, ATL twice and then the Cavs being the only contender sprinkled in there. We'll see how they get through this stretch. But either KD or Book would be a Godsend to this team and no way they run it back again next year with the same group if they miss the Playoffs this year imo. Would be a perfect time for them to sell those guys for young players + draft capital and begin their rebuild for what's beginning to look like a loaded 2026 Draft Class.

Houston will get whoever they want first, since they hold Phoenix’s picks this year, 2027, and 2029. Phoenix will need those to tank.

[tbdog]

I'm fascinated by how aggressive MEM is being in the trade market.

They never are and probably should have two seasons ago.

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs need to hope PHX keeps losing more games so they decide to blow it up and trade us KD and/or Booker tbh. They've lost 7 of their last 9 and are now the 12th seed in the West. Their pairing of KD, Book, and Beal simply isn't working and it's not going to. I'm hoping they lose every single game they play the rest of the way tbh.

They have an easier stretch coming up playing the Hornets twice, Jazz, Pistons, Wizards twice, ATL twice and then the Cavs being the only contender sprinkled in there. We'll see how they get through this stretch. But either KD or Book would be a Godsend to this team and no way they run it back again next year with the same group if they miss the Playoffs this year imo. Would be a perfect time for them to sell those guys for young players + draft capital and begin their rebuild for what's beginning to look like a loaded 2026 Draft Class.

I don’t want the Rockets getting another top 10 pick

[scott]

I don’t want the Rockets getting another top 10 pick

PHX loses to CHA tonight... Rockets might be getting one either way

[exstatic]

PHX loses to CHA tonight... Rockets might be getting one either way

Unless they spend it in a package for Book or Durant. I don’t think it was a coincidence that they wanted those specific picks in exchange for giving Brooklyn back their own picks.

[tbdog]

PHX loses to CHA tonight... Rockets might be getting one either way

Ironic that a team with Durant and Booker is going to make Houston better, while Tre Young and the Hawks are not doing favours for the Spurs.

[poopbox]

I'm fascinated by how aggressive MEM is being in the trade market.

Coaching staff and front office probably feeling some heat. Thunder and Rockets have passed them as hot young team on the rise.

[cutewizard]

Any movement from the Spurs??

[tbdog]

Any movement from the Spurs??

Deadline is little under a month away.

[The Truth #6]

All the trade ideas seem to be for the #2 star to play alongside Wemby. Sort of a zag, but with the improvement we've seen with CP and Barnes, who weren't hard to get, I'm also interested in just getting more quality affordable vets who can contribute to winning now. Not an exciting path, but we've already seen the improvement going this way, as well as the regression with Keldon and Devin returning. I still have some hope for Sochan because he's comfortable doing the dirty work, and most players aren't, and so I see him as some part of our defensive identity. But his minutes should be subservient to Castle's minutes, so to speak.

[mo7888]

All the trade ideas seem to be for the #2 star to play alongside Wemby. Sort of a zag, but with the improvement we've seen with CP and Barnes, who weren't hard to get, I'm also interested in just getting more quality affordable vets who can contribute to winning now. Not an exciting path, but we've already seen the improvement going this way, as well as the regression with Keldon and Devin returning. I still have some hope for Sochan because he's comfortable doing the dirty work, and most players aren't, and so I see him as some part of our defensive identity. But his minutes should be subservient to Castle's minutes, so to speak.

So, what would be a couple examples of who you're thinking?

[scott]

All the trade ideas seem to be for the #2 star to play alongside Wemby. Sort of a zag, but with the improvement we've seen with CP and Barnes, who weren't hard to get, I'm also interested in just getting more quality affordable vets who can contribute to winning now. Not an exciting path, but we've already seen the improvement going this way, as well as the regression with Keldon and Devin returning. I still have some hope for Sochan because he's comfortable doing the dirty work, and most players aren't, and so I see him as some part of our defensive identity. But his minutes should be subservient to Castle's minutes, so to speak.

I'm with ya! I think the best path for Brian Wright *right now* is for either a trade for the #2 if one is available, or just focusing on those small vet moves to raise the floor of the team. Jonas and Nesmith remain my two favorite possibilities (though I don't know how attainable Nesmith really is - his name was thrown into the Cam Johnson rumors but other than that not sure if IND would be good with parting ways with him)

[LeBowen]

So, what would be a couple examples of who you're thinking?

We've been crying for a backup big all season long, Valanciunas being the most obvious answer.
Scott has mentioned Nesmith many times.

The thing is that we have too many subpar to average players, getting more other than a backup big wouldn't help that much.
We got Champagnie not playing enough because Mitch has other ideas, another bench wing wouldn't change much.

Getting any consistent 25ppg scorer who can easily get to the rim would completely change this team. Yeah, we'd still have issues, but the rest of the roster is functional, it's just that noone other than Victor has enough firepower.

[The Truth #6]

So, what would be a couple examples of who you're thinking?

Good point. A year ago I would have said someone like Norm Powell, but his visibility and stock has exploded with a larger role. I suppose I'm speaking as far as a philosophy and approach. Let me check other rosters. But likely win now teams about to collapse us who I'd look at.

[scott]

To this concept, I think part of the problem of "seeing what we have" right now is that what we are seeing is that 1) Wemby is really good but is having to carry the team 2) having competent role players like CP3/Barnes/Champ makes a huge difference and 3) it's really hard to win when the rest of your team sucks.

I think the fact that guys like Devin, Castle and Sochan have to share the court with the Keldons/Collins/Tre (though I think Tre has actually been really good this year, but he has obvious limitations) is that it short changes their development. They too are having to do too much to overcome the complete shit show that their teammates create. I realize I am the Founder and CEO of the Anti-Devin Association, but he's not exactly being given the best opportunity to succeed either.

Just imagine this team instead of of the one we have:

CP3/Tre
Castle/Devin
Champ/Nesmith
Barnes/Sochan
Wemby/Jonas

That's a team that probably swings 2-3 of our close losses this year. 21-15 would be pretty sweet about right now.

[Guru of Nothing]

I'll bet Durant would like to play alongside Wemby for a couple of years, and you know Wemby would love that. Would be fun to watch and they would instantly become the team nobody wants to face in the playoffs.

Starting lineup:

CP3
Castle
Barnes
Durant
Wemby

Bench rotation of Sochan, Devin, KJ and ...

[baseline bum]

To this concept, I think part of the problem of "seeing what we have" right now is that what we are seeing is that 1) Wemby is really good but is having to carry the team 2) having competent role players like CP3/Barnes/Champ makes a huge difference and 3) it's really hard to win when the rest of your team sucks.

I think the fact that guys like Devin, Castle and Sochan have to share the court with the Keldons/Collins/Tre (though I think Tre has actually been really good this year, but he has obvious limitations) is that it short changes their development. They too are having to do too much to overcome the complete shit show that their teammates create. I realize I am the Founder and CEO of the Anti-Devin Association, but he's not exactly being given the best opportunity to succeed either.

Just imagine this team instead of of the one we have:

CP3/Tre
Castle/Devin
Champ/Nesmith
Barnes/Sochan
Wemby/Jonas

That's a team that probably swings 2-3 of our close losses this year. 21-15 would be pretty sweet about right now.

You have to trade Pena to get Art to quit starting him tbh

[scott]

You have to trade Pena to get Art to quit starting him tbh

I can do this all day, Art

[baseline bum]

I'll bet Durant would like to play alongside Wemby for a couple of years, and you know Wemby would love that. Would be fun to watch and they would instantly become the team nobody wants to face in the playoffs.

Starting lineup:

CP3
Castle
Barnes
Durant
Wemby

Bench rotation of Sochan, Devin, KJ and ...

Guessing Sochan would be one of the pieces to get this trade done. Something like this plus the 2026 Spurs first with ATL swap and then one of the other unprotected firsts the Spurs have would be my guess as to what it would take to get Durant out of Phoenix after they trade Booker to Houston.

https://i.ibb.co/1ryyVJf/trade.png

[timtonymanu]

:lol People really don't watch Spurs games.

Shhhh let them think that. Lol.

[Devi8or]

Sochan, Devin and Keldon are all damn near unplayable at the end game, that's not ideal from 3 guys who were supposed to help us get over the hump

As far as I'm concerned, everyone is available aside from Vic and Castle. They need someone to be the clear #2 or a few players who can create and make their own shots

[exstatic]

Sochan, Devin and Keldon are all damn near unplayable at the end game, that's not ideal from 3 guys who were supposed to help us get over the hump

As far as I'm concerned, everyone is available aside from Vic and Castle. They need someone to be the clear #2 or a few players who can create and make their own shots

? Only one of those guys was a top 10 pick, and Sochan was #9. Keldon was #29. I don’t think anyone saw any of those 3 as guys to get us over the hump.

[scott]

Is Brian Wright on a ski trip? Do you think he’s aware the team needs a backup C?

[Blizzardwizard]

Is Brian Wright on a ski trip? Do you think he’s aware the team needs a backup C?


Trading a player would hurt their feelings and we don't do that here.

[Pauleta14]

I wish we could trade for some LA or NY medias right now...

[Bruno]

Collins for Nurkic

Do you do it ?

[pad300]

Collins for Nurkic

Do you do it ?

No

[DPG21920]

Collins for Nurkic

Do you do it ?

He’s so bad and it doesnt save any money - dont really see the point tbh…

[DPG21920]

I only want to do trades that have a reasonable assumption of improving the team actually. I mean, of course if SA can add more capital somehow too while not losing flexibility Im good with that as well. But in terms of player trades, I want SA to ship the deadweight out and get players in that elevate the ceiling.

[KingKev]

I only want to do trades that have a reasonable assumption of improving the team actually. I mean, of course if SA can add more capital somehow too while not losing flexibility Im good with that as well. But in terms of player trades, I want SA to ship the deadweight out and get players in that elevate the ceiling.

Outside of Wemby and Castle we don’t have much that would garner draft capital anyways lol.

I’d love to package a boatload of SRPs to get rid of Keldon & Zollins for vet big though.

[Bruno]

He’s so bad and it doesnt save any money - dont really see the point tbh…

I won't deny it will be a lateral move that will bring nothing positive or negative to the big picture.

I view that just as a last minute trade. If Suns don't find a good trade with Nurkic and Spurs don't find a good trade with Collins at the deadline, they do the swap and hope a change of scenery will make the player less catastrophic.

Nurkic might be the only player Spurs could get for Collins without adding draft incentives and who doesn't have a worse contract than Collins.

Saying all that, Nurkic does suck. But can he be a less bad backup C than Collins/Bassey? That is what I'm wondering...

[Leetonidas]

Nurkic is obviously a terrible starting center but he couldn't possibly be worse than Collins as backup could he?

[LeBowen]

Nurkic is obviously a terrible starting center but he couldn't possibly be worse than Collins as backup could he?

He's even slower than Collins, also has no range and is an awful finisher considering his size.
The only thing he has going for him is solid rebounding.
Most importantly, he's an even bigger idiot than Collins and always instigates shit.

[rjv]

i'm content with waiting for this summer and seeing if miles turner or naz reed could be acquired somehow.

[LeBowen]

i'm content with waiting for this summer and seeing if miles turner or naz reed could be acquired somehow.

Turner is an above average starter, he won't accept a bench role.
I'm not sure how good would Naz be in a bigger role and he'll definitely demand ~30 million a year.

[KingKev]

Turner is an above average starter, he won't accept a bench role.
I'm not sure how good would Naz be in a bigger role and he'll definitely demand ~30 million a year.

They both likely get near DV money but I feel they could start alongside Wemby better than Sochan. Too bad we have nearly 50% of our cap tied up in Zollins, Keldon and Vassell.

[rjv]

if turner tires of being stuck on a treadmill in indiana, that could set up a sign and trade.

[scott]

He's even slower than Collins, also has no range and is an awful finisher considering his size.
The only thing he has going for him is solid rebounding.
Most importantly, he's an even bigger idiot than Collins and always instigates shit.

And if you trade for Nurk, there will be a reasonable expectation that we actually play him (even if just to see how it goes). Collins is expensive, but he isn't hurt anyone firmly planted to the bench. In fact, he appears to be an elite-level towel waiver. He's got that stink face/air freshener motion on 3s down pat.

[LeBowen]

And if you trade for Nurk, there will be a reasonable expectation that we actually play him (even if just to see how it goes). Collins is expensive, but he isn't hurt anyone firmly planted to the bench. In fact, he appears to be an elite-level towel waiver. He's got that stink face/air freshener motion on 3s down pat.

I'm honestly so desperate for Wright to show signs of life I'd accept anything, even a pointless Collins-Nurkic swap. :lol
Maybe no trade protocols are in place until Pop returns.

I'm down so bad that I even thought about the feasibility of taking on Beal if we can get 2 unprotected FRPs for it while getting rid of Collins and Keldon in the process.

[scott]

if turner tires of being stuck on a treadmill in indiana, that could set up a sign and trade.

IND is a team I rarely think about... but they're a young team, strong fan base, returning EC finalist, and appear to be surging as of late. They don't strike me as a team that players are dying to get off of right now.

[scott]

I'm honestly so desperate for Wright to show signs of life I'd accept anything, even a pointless Collins-Nurkic swap. :lol
Maybe no trade protocols are in place until Pop returns.

Trading Collins for an even worse player who now you have to give minutes to is exactly the kind of move I expect Wright to make, tbh. Maybe we'll get lucky and he'll trade Vassell for Bradley Beal or Terry Rozier too.

[rjv]

IND is a team I rarely think about... but there a young team, strong fan base, returning EC finalist, and appear to be surging as of late. They don't strike me as a team that players are dying to get off of right now.

i've seen players, with similar circumstances, leave their teams. spurs FO can't afford to think like spurs fans.

[CGD]

You have to think about this right?

SAS: Beal + 32FRP
PHX: Dev + Collins

[scott]

i've seen players, with similar circumstances, leave their teams. spurs FO can't afford to think like spurs fans.

I'm not even sure what this means, but I'll go on the record and state that I don't see Turner pushing to leave IND in order to be Wemby's backup.

[scott]

You have to think about this right?

SAS: Beal + 32FRP
PHX: Dev + Collins

Just threw up all over myself