Texas response to Corona virus

[Spurtacular]

There's nothing 'pretend' if people are actually dying.

The falsifications have been listed in ST many times now. You know this.


At this point, the hoax argument is simply retarded. You can argue whether the virus deserves the level of attention it has been given, but being in denial this is a major health emergency is just crazy talk.

You need to get over yourself, honestly. You're really just crying out that you're feelings are hurt.

[Spurtacular]

I largely agree that the executive has grown an inordinate amount of power, but the reality here is that people are dying, and Congress isn't moving.

Leaders that have the tools to do something about it should act, IMO. Again, these are not normal times, this is a state of emergency.

This guy didn't ask for permission to go bomb Soleimani. This is much more important and affects American lives.

Why would Conress need to move? The scam is going on just fine without them. These ignorant Americans aren't demanding the government work properly.

[pgardn]

The falsifications have been listed in ST many times now. You know this.



You need to get over yourself, honestly. You're really just crying out that you're feelings are hurt.

Yeah.

El Nono
One of the most even handed sane posters on the site is getting his feelings hurt.
The problem is you are an idiot and he actually gives you the time with out just blasting your stupidity off the page immediately.

[ElNono]

The falsifications have been listed in ST many times now. You know this.

And already debunked. Heck, I already told you that even if you cut off 50% of the deaths, you STILL have more deaths than 11 years of the Vietnam war.

That's not normal, those are not 'pretend' deaths.


You need to get over yourself, honestly. You're really just crying out that you're feelings are hurt.

No, I don't. Here's where you deflect and make it personal, because you have no answer. It's like textbook with you.

[ElNono]

Why would Conress need to move? The scam is going on just fine without them. These ignorant Americans aren't demanding the government work properly.

Why do you even care about Americans, if these are all 'pretend' deaths? :lol

Congress needs to move because this isn't a hoax, these are real deaths, and people are struggling. It's not very difficult to understand.

[Spurtacular]

And already debunked.

Not at all. All's you've done is cry that everyone's on the up and up and nobody is compromised and that the elites are looking out for us.
My guess is your life is comfortable and there's just a lot of cognitive dissonance to your unbelief. It is what it is. But don't pretend you're
debunking anything. That's silly.

[ChumpDumper]

Did Obama rape Americans?

Yes or no.:lmao derp folds and desperately tries to change the subject.

You don't think Trump should be held responsible for anything he does.

Why?

[Spurtacular]

:lmao derp folds and desperately tries to change the subject.

You don't think Trump should be held responsible for anything he does.

Why?

Did Obama rape Americans?

Yes or no.

[Death In June]

God that's 3x worse than us per capita and we're a dumpster fire right now in Bexar County.People here did not give a fuck. There will be a bump in cases soon. They just opened Dodge arena as a testing hub, but we haven't seen the results from those test yet.

[ElNono]

Not at all. All's you've done is cry that everyone's on the up and up and nobody is compromised and that the elites are looking out for us.
My guess is your life is comfortable and there's just a lot of cognitive dissonance to your unbelief. It is what it is. But don't pretend you're debunking anything. That's silly.

quote/link where I said that?

And how I live has no bearing with the argument I presented. Do you agree if we only take 50% of the deaths, you STILL have more deaths than 11 years of the Vietnam war? Math isn't hard.

[ChumpDumper]

Did Obama rape Americans?

Yes or no.:lol stonewalling

You think Trump should do nothing about anything because maybe he'll be held responsible for doing something.

[ChumpDumper]

People here did not give a fuck. There will be a bump in cases soon. They just opened Dodge arena as a testing hub, but we haven't seen the results from those test yet.I thought the huge bump in positives yesterday was partly due to that. Holy shit if it wasn't.

[Spurtacular]

:lol stonewalling

You think Trump should do nothing about anything because maybe he'll be held responsible for doing something.

You are stonewalling indeed.

Did Obama rape Americans?

Yes or no.

[Spurtacular]

People here did not give a fuck. There will be a bump in cases soon. They just opened Dodge arena as a testing hub, but we haven't seen the results from those test yet.

Filled it with healthy people I bet.

[Spurtacular]

quote/link where I said that?

And how I live has no bearing with the argument I presented. Do you agree if we only take 50% of the deaths, you STILL have more deaths than 11 years of the Vietnam war? Math isn't hard.

Counted unhealthy people who were gonna die anyways. Vietnam War was hell. This is first world idiot problems.

[ChumpDumper]

You are stonewalling indeed.

Did Obama rape Americans?

Yes or no.No. I don't accept your characterizations.

You don't think Trump should be held responsible for anything he does.

Why?

[ChumpDumper]

derp is melting down hard today.

[Death In June]

I thought the huge bump in positives yesterday was partly due to that. Holy shit if it wasn't.That was my first thought, but they opened the arena for testing on Wednesday and our spike was Thursday. I don't think the turn around time is that fast, but I could be mistaken.

[ElNono]

Counted unhealthy people who were gonna die anyways. Vietnam War was hell. This is first world idiot problems.

So no link, you just made it up. ok.

and lol @ "they were going to die anyways". Everybody "is going to die anyways", that's not an excuse.

[Spurtacular]

So no link, you just made it up. ok.

There's all kinds of links on the scams in the plandemic thread. Check them out if you're that interested.

[ElNono]

There's all kinds of links on the scams in the plandemic thread. Check them out if you're that interested.

I did. I asked you for a link/quote of something you claimed I said. No surprises there was no link.

[Spurtacular]

and lol @ "they were going to die anyways". Everybody "is going to die anyways", that's not an excuse.

Yea, as in they had a fatal health issue. I suppose in some cases COVID could be a catalyst. But largely they are people at death's door.

If you're under 50 and don't have underlying health condition, you're not dying. Pretty simple stuff.

Calling this a pandemic cheapens there word. If and when a real killer disease hits healthy people here it'll be a sort of karma.

[Spurtacular]

I did. I asked you for a link/quote of something you claimed I said. No surprises there was no link.

No, you didn't. Go back and quote whatever you're interested in. I'm not in the catering business at the moment.

[ChumpDumper]

That was my first thought, but they opened the arena for testing on Wednesday and our spike was Thursday. I don't think the turn around time is that fast, but I could be mistaken.OK, I'm going to assume more tests were made available for existing sites. I want to find a way to not panic about that number.

[ChumpDumper]

Yea, as in they had a fatal health issue. I suppose in some cases COVID could be a catalyst. But largely they are people at death's door.

If you're under 50 and don't have underlying health condition, you're not dying. Pretty simple stuff.

Calling this a pandemic cheapens there word. If and when a real killer disease hits healthy people here it'll be a sort of karma.What is your scientific word for it?

[midnightpulp]

Yea, as in they had a fatal health issue. I suppose in some cases COVID could be a catalyst. But largely they are people at death's door.

If you're under 50 and don't have underlying health condition, you're not dying. Pretty simple stuff.

Calling this a pandemic cheapens there word. If and when a real killer disease hits healthy people here it'll be a sort of karma.

:lol How many Americans in the 30-50 age range (the key workforce demographic) are "healthy?" Like 10 percent?

[ElNono]

Yea, as in they had a fatal health issue. I suppose in some cases COVID could be a catalyst. But largely they are people at death's door.

If you're under 50 and don't have underlying health condition, you're not dying. Pretty simple stuff.

Calling this a pandemic cheapens there word. If and when a real killer disease hits healthy people here it'll be a sort of karma.

A person with beetus is not considered to have a "fatal health issue". A person with asthma is not considered to have a "fatal health issue"... we can go on and on with this.

And no, if you're under 50 and don't have underlying health condition, you're less of a risk. We certainly had people younger than that without underlying health conditions die (see Nick Cordero, to name one).

[midnightpulp]

A person with beetus is not considered to have a "fatal health issue". A person with asthma is not considered to have a "fatal health issue"... we can go on and on with this.

And no, if you're under 50 and don't have underlying health condition, you're less of a risk. We certainly had people younger than that without underlying health conditions die (see Nick Cordero, to name one).

Nick Cordero purposely died to hurt Trump's reelection changes. He was that committed of a liberal.

[ElNono]

Nick Cordero purposely died to hurt Trump's reelection changes. He was that committed of a liberal.

Probably the CIA or the Rothschild paid him a visit in a crowded hospital, had paid actors to be his doctor and nurses, tbh... it all sounds legit, makes sense

[Spurtacular]

:lol How many Americans in the 30-50 age range (the key workforce demographic) are "healthy?" Like 10 percent?

Healthy in terms of not dying from COVID (or the flu)?

99.999999 percent

[Spurtacular]

A person with beetus is not considered to have a "fatal health issue". A person with asthma is not considered to have a "fatal health issue"... we can go on and on with this.

And no, if you're under 50 and don't have underlying health condition, you're less of a risk. We certainly had people younger than that without underlying health conditions die (see Nick Cordero, to name one).

People have asthma attacks and die. The keyboardist for Cause & Effect off the top of my head. Had he died three months ago, he'd be a COVID statistic.

Yea, I read about Nick Cordero. My guess is medical or journalistic malpractice. Not really buying it after all the bull shit. But even if so, he's like the one person. :lmao

[RandomGuy]

Probably the CIA or the Rothschild paid him a visit in a crowded hospital, had paid actors to be his doctor and nurses, tbh... it all sounds legit, makes sense

No way it was Soros and Obama. This guy was the first wave of the ANTIFA supersoldier.

[ChumpDumper]

derp says Cordero died of journalistic malpractice.

[RandomGuy]

The falsifications have been listed in ST many times now.

Another huge conspiracy of people making up death certificates. Requires a whole lot of people to keep it quiet, day in day out. Just like a "faked moon landing"

Why do you keep falling for this stupid shit?

[Blake]

Even Abbott is now admitting that next week is likely going to be even worse. :lmao

Someone needs to ask lieutenant Dan if Fauci if he got this one right

[RandomGuy]

Cuck

:lmao

[Spurtacular]

:lmao

:lol Cuckfensive

[ElNono]

People have asthma attacks and die. The keyboardist for Cause & Effect off the top of my head. Had he died three months ago, he'd be a COVID statistic.

Yea, I read about Nick Cordero. My guess is medical or journalistic malpractice. Not really buying it after all the bull shit. But even if so, he's like the one person. :lmao

If the asthma attack was triggered by a covid infection, he definitely should've been a covid statistic.

And lol @ "it's just one"... it's just one we all know about because he was relatively famous. Dude even got a leg amputated before dying. smh

[TimDunkem]

If the asthma attack was triggered by a covid infection, he definitely should've been a covid statistic.

And lol @ "it's just one"... it's just one we all know about because he was relatively famous. Dude even got a leg amputated before dying. smh

And was on dialysis, had a pacemaker put in, tracheotomy, etc. All of his organs basically shut down.

[ElNono]

And was on dialysis, had a pacemaker put in, tracheotomy, etc. All of his organs basically shut down.

but, but, if you're 50 of younger you don't die off this thing!

[midnightpulp]

but, but, if you're 50 of younger you don't die off this thing!

This poor guy is your average 35-50 year old in the US in terms of build and health (probably a few underlying health conditions).

https://heavy.com/news/2020/07/richard-rose-covid-19-coronavirus/

He thought he was invincible due to his age. Didn't buy into masks and went to a pool party. Really sad story. Just started a new job, and the facebook post of him saying, "I just want to feel better" a day before he died got to me.

He was irresponsible, but I'm not gonna "hurr durr Darwin Awards." We all have biases. We even have celebrated Nobel Laureates on the "truther" train. This guy's biases was fully exploited by devious politicians, "truthers," anti-maskers posting fake studies about how masks can trap C02, and whatever else. The misinformation coming from that side has been downright criminal and is leading a lot of impressionable people into harm's way.

The "marketplace" of ideas simply doesn't work in the era of social media. The good and truthful ideas can no longer snuff out the bad ideas because it's so easy to publish and promote bad ideas through the likes of facebook, twitter, youtube, etc. And the bad ideas seemed to be created at a higher rate.

[ElNono]

This poor guy is your average 35-50 year old in the US in terms of build and health (probably a few underlying health conditions).

https://heavy.com/news/2020/07/richard-rose-covid-19-coronavirus/

He thought he was invincible due to his age. Didn't buy into masks and went to a pool party. Really sad story. Just started a new job, and the facebook post of him saying, "I just want to feel better" a day before he died got to me.

He was irresponsible, but I'm not gonna "hurr durr Darwin Awards." We all have biases. We even have celebrated Nobel Laureates on the "truther" train. This guy's biases was fully exploited by devious politicians, "truthers," anti-maskers posting fake studies about how masks can trap C02, and whatever else. The misinformation coming from that side has been downright criminal and is leading a lot of impressionable people into harm's way.

The "marketplace" of ideas simply doesn't work in the era of social media. The good and truthful ideas can no longer snuff out the bad ideas because it's so easy to publish and promote bad ideas through the likes of facebook, twitter, youtube, etc. And the bad ideas seemed to be created at a higher rate.

This is exactly what I was telling derp earlier about stupid people forcing the government hand. If everybody would stick to following the rules for a temporary amount of time, we wouldn't need mask and social distancing mandates or even fines, or completely shutting down restaurants, etc, and we would've been in a much better place now to have the economy at least halfway open. And you can't claim that's wishful thinking, this is what has been happening in all the other countries that have been able to manage this thing.

But you have all sorts of idiots eating up bullshit non-stop, including leadership, making this partisan too. Complete idiocy, and people are paying the price with their lives.

[boutons_deux]

This poor guy is your average 35-50 year old in the US in terms of build and health (probably a few underlying health conditions).


will there be enough of these deaths of C19 deniers to change other deniers' minds to acceptance?

[midnightpulp]

This is exactly what I was telling derp earlier about stupid people forcing the government hand. If everybody would stick to following the rules for a temporary amount of time, we wouldn't need mask and social distancing mandates or even fines, or completely shutting down restaurants, etc, and we would've been in a much better place now to have the economy at least halfway open. And you can't claim that's wishful thinking, this is what has been happening in all the other countries that have been able to manage this thing.

But you have all sorts of idiots eating up bullshit non-stop, including leadership, making this partisan too. Complete idiocy, and people are paying the price with their lives.

And unfortunately, I don't think that's achievable due to that misinformation bubble I was talking about. If this was pre-Internet/pre-Fox News, people with innate biases toward the "skeptical" and "conspiratorial" would be "deprogrammed" in a sense, because the 3 or 4 news channels would all be reporting consensus information and opinion. Now we're in this post-modern/post-truth landscape where every opinion has equal validity, and you can find echo chambers at the click of mouse to keep confirming your biases.

And yep, it's getting people killed.

[boutons_deux]

How fucked up is America?

To have elected Trash and Repugs at all levels in many states?

America's Trash/Repug catastrophe is America's uniquely among other industrial countries.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&casesMetric=true&dailyFreq=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&country=USA~CAN~DNK~FRA~ITA~NOR~ESP~BEL~FIN~DEU~JP N~KOR&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc

Watch McConnell block aid as the The Trump Pandemic gets MUCH worse in the coming weeks.

There is quite simply no end in sight

[midnightpulp]

will there be enough of these deaths of C19 deniers to change other deniers' minds to acceptance?

There will never be enough. They'll claim the stats were cooked or some other nonsense.

[ChumpDumper]

This poor guy is your average 35-50 year old in the US in terms of build and health (probably a few underlying health conditions).

https://heavy.com/news/2020/07/richard-rose-covid-19-coronavirus/

He thought he was invincible due to his age. Didn't buy into masks and went to a pool party. Really sad story. Just started a new job, and the facebook post of him saying, "I just want to feel better" a day before he died got to me.

He was irresponsible, but I'm not gonna "hurr durr Darwin Awards." We all have biases. We even have celebrated Nobel Laureates on the "truther" train. This guy's biases was fully exploited by devious politicians, "truthers," anti-maskers posting fake studies about how masks can trap C02, and whatever else. The misinformation coming from that side has been downright criminal and is leading a lot of impressionable people into harm's way.

The "marketplace" of ideas simply doesn't work in the era of social media. The good and truthful ideas can no longer snuff out the bad ideas because it's so easy to publish and promote bad ideas through the likes of facebook, twitter, youtube, etc. And the bad ideas seemed to be created at a higher rate.Obviously a CIA plant. I posted a YouTube that explains this in April but you guys ignored me.

[boutons_deux]

As Texas morgues fill up, refrigerator trucks are on the way in several counties

More than 3,000 Texans have died from the coronavirus and counties are preparing for even more deaths by expanding their capacities to store bodies.

https://thumbnails.texastribune.org/Sadc-sIOoUEztUUxRi6FqT5FcHA=/850x570/smart/filters:quality(75)/https://static.texastribune.org/media/files/f5109902d66d88e0e5c79da86d4262ed/Nueces%20ME%20Morgue%20Trailer%20TT%20ES%2004.jpg

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/10/texas-coronavirus-deaths-morgues-capacity/

[CosmicCowboy]

People have asthma attacks and die. The keyboardist for Cause & Effect off the top of my head. Had he died three months ago, he'd be a COVID statistic.

Yea, I read about Nick Cordero. My guess is medical or journalistic malpractice. Not really buying it after all the bull shit. But even if so, he's like the one person. :lmao

I'm really curious.

Are you trolling?

I get that can be fun, but if you are serious you are a brainwashed danger to everyone around you.

This shit is serious and its idiots not masking up and social distancing driving this train.

If you really live what you post on here you stand an excellent chance of getting it

[DarrinS]

It will get bad for a while and then get better. It has to infect a certain percentage before it dies out.

[midnightpulp]

From San Antonio. Patient dies after he attended Covid party, thinking virus was a hoax

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/i-thought-this-was-a-hoax-patient-in-their-30s-dies-after-attending-covid-party/ar-BB16AKcd

[CosmicCowboy]

It will get bad for a while and then get better. It has to infect a certain percentage before it dies out.

And that hope is apparently bullshit since the antibodies dont last

[DarrinS]

From San Antonio. Patient dies after he attended Covid party, thinking virus was a hoax

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/i-thought-this-was-a-hoax-patient-in-their-30s-dies-after-attending-covid-party/ar-BB16AKcd

Probably fat

[pgardn]

And that hope is apparently bullshit since the antibodies dont last

The Ab do not necessarily have to last, but the memory cells do.

[DarrinS]

And that hope is apparently bullshit since the antibodies dont last

T-cells

[Blake]

Drunk Darrin in the house tonight

[DarrinS]

I still only know of one positive case, but even that was second hand information.

[pgardn]

Probably fat

and stupid.

[DarrinS]

Drunk Darrin in the house tonight

Get back under your bed, retard

[pgardn]

T-cells

Part of it.
Its really a complex reaction and can take different pathways depending on the vaccines.
Eventually the hope is that you would eventually (hopefully quickly) get a giant humoral Ab response as well like CC is probably referring to.

[baseline bum]

Probably fat

Man that's a stretch in San Antonio :lol

[pgardn]

I still only know of one positive case, but even that was second hand information.

I am at least 20.
1st hand.
This is no joke. Its very unpleasant, especially for older males, even if you recover.
The kids are good that I know, the oldest, 18, supposed to start college.

Getting care packages ready as I type.

[DarrinS]

Man that's a stretch in San Antonio :lol

Sad, but a lot of the younger deaths in S.A. are whales with the beetus.

[DarrinS]

I am at least 20.
1st hand.
This is no joke. Its very unpleasant, especially for older males, even if you recover.
The kids are good that I know, the oldest, 18, supposed to start college.

Getting care packages ready as I type.


I don't think it's a joke, btw. Sorry to hear that.

[pgardn]

I don't think it's a joke, btw. Sorry to hear that.

Its really for guys like Spurter and TGY.

No one has died so all is good.
But the older males are getting dirty sucker punched.
There are probably a bunch of younger males on this board that are not going to suffer much.
The old dudes, not good, not fun at all...

One older guy just got it from his wife, inevitable.
Its the 3rd day with symptoms and he has said its getting worse and he feels like jello. But his O2 levels are still top notch.
All their kids who I know are out of town. So kids friends remaining are going to the grocery and such for them.
Its kind of a working together thing that has been so eagerly expressed by our president.

[DarrinS]

Its really for guys like Spurter and TGY.

No one has died so all is good.
But the older males are getting dirty sucker punched.
There are probably a bunch of younger males on this board that are not going to suffer much.
The old dudes, not good, not fun at all...

One older guy just got it from his wife, inevitable.
Its the 3rd day with symptoms and he has said its getting worse and he feels like jello. But his O2 levels are still top notch.
All their kids who I know are out of town. So kids friends remaining are going to the grocery and such for them.
Its kind of a working together thing that has been so eagerly expressed by our president.



I'm no spring chicken, 51, but I'm thin and no comorbidities. Plus, I think I already had it in March.

[DarrinS]

It's all over the world now. So, you're 99.9% able to get past it, or you're not.

[TimDunkem]

It's all over the world now. So, you're 99.9% able to get past it, or you're not.

Ok

[ElNono]

I'm really curious.

Are you trolling?

I get that can be fun, but if you are serious you are a brainwashed danger to everyone around you.

This shit is serious and its idiots not masking up and social distancing driving this train.

If you really live what you post on here you stand an excellent chance of getting it

:lol of course he's serious. It's the sort of stupidity that makes governments have to clamp down, even put draconian order and fines out there.

[Blake]

It's all over the world now. So, you're 99.9% able to get past it, or you're not.

Lol drunk rambling. Go drink yourself back under the table.

[DarrinS]

Lol drunk rambling. Go drink yourself back under the table.

Get back under your bed, retard.

[Spurtacular]

I'm really curious.

Are you trolling?

I get that can be fun, but if you are serious you are a brainwashed danger to everyone around you.

This shit is serious and its idiots not masking up and social distancing driving this train.

If you really live what you post on here you stand an excellent chance of getting it

I'm not telling people to not avoid disease. I'm telling them to stop acting like the sky is falling.

You see it's bull shit with your own eyes. Stop being a sheeple.

[Spurtacular]

If the asthma attack was triggered by a covid infection, he definitely should've been a covid statistic.

That's not the standard. You've been shown time and time again. You're just a sperm shielder at this point.

[ElNono]

That's not the standard. You've been shown time and time again. You're just a sperm shielder at this point.

Of course it's the "standard"... ie: people that die of AIDS never actually die of AIDS, they die of pneumonia or other illnesses because the virus decimated their immune system. They're still counted as AIDS' deaths.

[Spurtacular]

Of course it's the "standard"... ie: people that die of AIDS never actually die of AIDS, they die of pneumonia or other illnesses because the virus decimated their immune system. They're still counted as AIDS' deaths.

By that standard anyone who has tested positive for COVID will have it listed as their cause of death.
And frankly, the standard has been shown to not even be that high.

[ElNono]

By that standard anyone who has tested positive for COVID will have it listed as their cause of death.
And frankly, the standard has been shown to not even be that high.

There are reasons why we do that, and it's because viral infections really weaken your immune system, and make you much more susceptible to a plethora of issues, like organ failure or sepsis.

There's a good number of viruses where the same thing applies. Ebola, for example, causes liver and kidney malfunction, and most people die from low blood pressure from fluid loss (aka Hypovolemic shock).

[Spurtacular]

There are reasons why we do that, and it's because viral infections really weaken your immune system, and make you much more susceptible to a plethora of issues, like organ failure or sepsis.

If someone has a heart attack three months after influenza, the cause of death is heart attack and not influenza.

Trying to justify changing the rules for your fake pandemic. :lmao

TheGreatYacht (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=43719)

[ElNono]

If someone has a heart attack three months after influenza, the cause of death is heart attack and not influenza.

But we're not "3 months after" covid, so your point is moot

[Spurtacular]

But we're not "3 months after" covid, so your point is moot

Being a little too literal, bruh. Don't be desperate.
I did see one fatality two plus months after COVID. Just rounded up.

[ElNono]

Being a little too literal, bruh. Don't be desperate.
I did see one fatality two plus months after COVID. Just rounded up.

It's not me being defensive, it's you coming up with excuse after excuse.

We have states with huge spikes of corona followed by a huge spike of hospitalizations, and it's not corona? what is it? herpes?

How much in denial can you really be. What's next? Those people were going to be hospitalized anyways at some point?

[midnightpulp]

Texas likely has about double the Covid deaths than reported.

https://i.redd.it/g2znazwfgn951.png

And no, people dying of heart attacks, strokes, and other such emergencies because they feared going to the hospital wouldn't explain the difference.

[boutons_deux]

Texas likely has about double the Covid deaths than reported.

And no, people dying of heart attacks, strokes, and other such emergencies because they feared going to the hospital wouldn't explain the difference.

'Broken heart syndrome' has increased during the Covid-19 pandemic

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/09/health/broken-heart-syndrome-coronavirus-wellness/index.html

[midnightpulp]

It will get bad for a while and then get better. It has to infect a certain percentage before it dies out.

The frustrating thing here is that it doesn't have to get "that bad." We know a lot more than we did 4 months ago, when people feared community spread via surfaces and such, which lead to all non-essential business closures. The primary vectors now seem to be relatively large indoor gatherings, bars, churches, indoor dining, public transport, probably casinos, and anything else that will cause people to crowd indoor spaces. We have to shut all that down and just take the economic hit on the chin, but this still means more businesses will be allowed to operate than in the initial stages of the pandemic. Rudy's Hobby Shop or whatever is probably a very small risk of being a vector. Outdoor spaces are rather safe, so no closing of parks and beaches (problem with beaches isn't transmission on the beach, but the beach goers filling bars and restaurants afterwards. Bars and restaurants won't be open, so that won't be an issue) like before. And then, we all need to mask up.

But nope. FREEDUMBS! I ain't wearing no mask! I got the right to crowd a church and worship the Jeebus (why the fuck can't churches just shift service outdoors into their parking lots or something?). I got the right to throw the babyshower with 50 of my kin to celebrate the little blessing. And so it goes.

[boutons_deux]

So diabetes should not be listed as cause of death when diabetes causes kidney failure and fatal CVD?

[boutons_deux]

COVID-19 is Surging in Rural Texas, Threatening to Overwhelm Local Hospitals

ICU beds are limited,

medical providers are falling sick, and

urban hospitals where small facilities transfer critical patients are running out of space.

https://www.texasobserver.org/covid-19-rural-hospitals-texas/?utm_source=mc&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=july_11_2020&goal=0_975e2d1fa1-ae56b247ea-34733575&mc_cid=ae56b247ea&mc_eid=b9077e7e26 (https://www.texasobserver.org/covid-19-rural-hospitals-texas/?utm_source=mc&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=july_11_2020&goal=0_975e2d1fa1-ae56b247ea-34733575&mc_cid=ae56b247ea&mc_eid=b9077e7e26)

[Spurtacular]

Texas likely has about double the Covid deaths than reported.

https://i.redd.it/g2znazwfgn951.png

And no, people dying of heart attacks, strokes, and other such emergencies because they feared going to the hospital wouldn't explain the difference.

Excess deaths are calculated by subtracting the expected number of deaths from the observed number of deaths.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/potentially_excess_deaths.htm

So that red line is not actual deaths, it's how much their projection was off.

And the gray line actually shows that deaths have been right in line with past years, really. No spike in overall deaths.

Realistically, this chart is meant to confuse the layman who doesn't really know what the hell he is looking at.
The layman is supposed to see the red line as a spike in deaths (even though it's not) and the COVID line as being the primary pusher of this fake spike.
If this showed actual deaths only and what percent were COVID, what it would show is the roughly the same # of deaths. Yet despite all these deaths being COVID, no spike in actual deaths.

:lol COVID BOOGEYMAN


TheGreatYacht (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=43719)

[CosmicCowboy]

Excess deaths are calculated by subtracting the expected number of deaths from the observed number of deaths.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/potentially_excess_deaths.htm

So that red line is not actual deaths, it's how much their projection was off.

And the gray line actually shows that deaths have been right in line with past years, really. No spike in overall deaths.

Realistically, this chart is meant to confuse the layman who doesn't really know what the hell he is looking at.
The layman is supposed to see the red line as a spike in deaths (even though it's not) and the COVID line as being the primary pusher of this fake spike.
If this showed actual deaths only and what percent were COVID, what it would show is the roughly the same # of deaths. Yet despite all these deaths being COVID, no spike in actual deaths.

:lol COVID BOOGEYMAN


TheGreatYacht (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=43719)

Uhhhh...I think you are badly misinterpreting that chart.

Oops, reply was meant for Spurt.

[pgardn]

So diabetes should not be listed as cause of death when diabetes causes kidney failure and fatal CVD?

These small Texas towns were not wearing masks indoors in the most obvious places that you would want to wear a mask. They were asking for it.

So Your question gets even larger. Would you want a relative living in one of these towns who really does have renal failure going to one of these crowded hospitals right now? What kind of care do they get? Before this, attention was all on them because they were the only game in town. NOW, no fckn way.

Health care in general goes down the tubes when these little places cant handle the load and that is happening. They are not near as diverse as the large hospitals in Metropolitan areas. They are built for small numbers of cases at a time. Just send them up to San Antonio right now. Excellent.

Also the bills after all this with all the people who are not even insured. But, but... orange man had, had, ... ZERO plan. He lied.

Its all just fake.
And it will eventually just go away...
Some of us will have our coffee as usual in the morning, its all good.

[Spurtacular]

Uhhhh...I think you are badly misinterpreting that chart.

Oops, reply was meant for Spurt.

What part don't you understand?

[ChumpDumper]

Excess deaths are calculated by subtracting the expected number of deaths from the observed number of deaths.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/potentially_excess_deaths.htm

So that red line is not actual deaths, it's how much their projection was off.

And the gray line actually shows that deaths have been right in line with past years, really. No spike in overall deaths.

Realistically, this chart is meant to confuse the layman who doesn't really know what the hell he is looking at.
The layman is supposed to see the red line as a spike in deaths (even though it's not) and the COVID line as being the primary pusher of this fake spike.
If this showed actual deaths only and what percent were COVID, what it would show is the roughly the same # of deaths. Yet despite all these deaths being COVID, no spike in actual deaths.

:lol COVID BOOGEYMAN


TheGreatYacht (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=43719)
https://i.imgflip.com/1t8y03.gif

[Spurtacular]

Texas likely has about double the Covid deaths than reported.

:lmao Just noticed this.

Apparently, you're the layman they're trying to fool. The red line is not an actual deaths line.
You did see it as a spike in deaths (which it's not) and figured they just weren't counting enough deaths as COVID. :lol

Again, if they used actual deaths only and not some misleading advanced stats, what would be shown is no spike in overall deaths despite these COVID deaths.
Obviously, that would never do. The layman can tell himself that something is fishy with that reality.
So, you've been shown first hand that you're being purposely tricked; yet you're going to keep going as strong as ever, aren't you?

TheGreatYacht

[Spurtacular]

https://i.imgflip.com/1t8y03.gif


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sySlY1XKlhM

Yea, "raindrops".

:lol Today's sperm shield.

TheGreatYacht

[midnightpulp]

:lmao Just noticed this.

Apparently, you're the layman they're trying to fool. The red line is not an actual deaths line.
You did see it as a spike in deaths (which it's not) and figured they just weren't counting enough deaths as COVID. :lol

Again, if they used actual deaths only and not some misleading advanced stats, what would be shown is no spike in overall deaths despite these COVID deaths.
Obviously, that would never do. The layman can tell himself that something is fishy with that reality.
So, you've been shown first hand that you're being purposely tricked; yet you're going to keep going as strong as ever, aren't you?

TheGreatYacht

The fuck you on about.

It's simple. In any given year, there's an expected amount of deaths from all causes. The gray line represents the average of how many excess (or below average) deaths there were between 2017-2019. Deaths attributed as Covid have been responsible for 2000 more deaths than is typical. ALL EXCESS DEATHS are 6000 over the baseline. "Confirmed" Covid is responsible for 2000 of those excess deaths, so what's been responsible for those 4000 additional excess deaths? Perhaps a few came from people delaying treatment for strokes and heart attacks, but more than likely, it's from Covid.

Why do I think only a small portion of those excess deaths are not Covid related? Because that's what this study found.

https://i.imgur.com/1kB6NO8.png

Anyhow, I think I know why you're so resistant to all of this.


Lower cognitive ability linked to non-compliance with social distancing guidelines during the coronavirus outbreak

https://www.psypost.org/2020/07/covidiot-study-lower-cognitive-ability-linked-to-non-compliance-with-social-distancing-guidelines-during-the-coronavirus-outbreak-57293

Your inability to understand a very simple graph illustrates this study. :lol

[midnightpulp]

And the gray line actually shows that deaths have been right in line with past years, really. No spike in overall deaths.



:lmao The gray line is the AVERAGE NUMBER OF EXCESS DEATHS THAT OCCURRED FROM 2017-2019.

No, those lines aren't "projections." They're the actuals. Covid deaths and excess deaths.

:lol Again:


Lower cognitive ability linked to non-compliance with social distancing guidelines during the coronavirus outbreak

[TimDunkem]

Derp not smart. Derp can't read. Derp really needs internet W's. Derp will literally say anything.

[midnightpulp]

Derp not smart. Derp can't read. Derp really needs internet W's. Derp will literally say anything.

Lol. He didn't read the chart legend, and thought the gray line was the actual number of deaths over that time period and the Covid and excess death lines were "projections."

I await his retarded spin.

[TimDunkem]

Lol. He didn't read the chart legend, and thought the gray line was the actual number of deaths over that time period and the Covid and excess death lines were "projections."

I await his retarded spin.

When I read his posts I usually find myself asking if the dumbass actually reads anything he quotes. Sometimes I wonder if he's reading what he types. Half the time it makes no damn sense.

This forum destroyed his psyche after the Jimmer thread. There was once a time when he was just a guy with bad basketball takes. Now he's just a relentless, psychotic, ankle biting, knuckle-dragging troll. Quite sad, tbh.

[midnightpulp]

When I read his posts I usually find myself asking if the dumbass actually reads anything he quotes. Sometimes I wonder if he's reading what he types. Half the time it makes no damn sense.

This forum destroyed his psyche after the Jimmer thread. There was once a time when he was just a guy with bad basketball takes. Now he's just a relentless, psychotic, ankle biting, knuckle-dragging troll. Quite sad, tbh.

I await some screed of how I don't understand it, yada, yada, yada. Not going to bang my head trying to explain it to him, either.

[Spurtacular]

:lmao The gray line is the AVERAGE NUMBER OF EXCESS DEATHS THAT OCCURRED FROM 2017-2019.

No, those lines aren't "projections." They're the actuals. Covid deaths and excess deaths.

:lol Again:

It includes 2020, numb nuts.

And you don't understand what an excess deaths are not "actuals".
I just done told you, son:
Excess deaths are calculated by subtracting the expected number of deaths from the observed number of deaths.

:lol And you have the nerve to be calling me out on "lower cognitive ability" after you just fell for the trick:

:cry Really covid deaths are probably double. They should be up to the red line [not an "actual" death count] :cry

:lol Dat DKE


Dunning-Kruger Effect is a cognitive bias whereby people who are incompetent at something are unable to recognize their own incompetence.

[ChumpDumper]

derp kook effect


Take a deep breath and look at it again.

[Spurtacular]

Your inability

Why are you switching graphs all of the sudden?

On the first graph you posted, I showed you how you were fundamentally wrong; and now you're just gonna bloviate your way out of it, somehow?

[pgardn]

Keep going.

[TimDunkem]

Derpy derpy Derp

[Death In June]

OK, I'm going to assume more tests were made available for existing sites. I want to find a way to not panic about that number.I learned that it was the result of batch testing done a week ago of military / government personnel. We went back to our normal daily numbers (400s) yesterday.

[ChumpDumper]

I learned that it was the result of batch testing done a week ago of military / government personnel. We went back to our normal daily numbers (400s) yesterday.Thanks for the follow up.:tu

[midnightpulp]

It includes 2020, numb nuts.

And you don't understand what an excess deaths are not "actuals".
I just done told you, son:
Excess deaths are calculated by subtracting the expected number of deaths from the observed number of deaths.

:lol And you have the nerve to be calling me out on "lower cognitive ability" after you just fell for the trick:

:cry Really covid deaths are probably double. They should be up to the red line [not an "actual" death count] :cry

:lol Dat DKE

Keep going.

[midnightpulp]

Why are you switching graphs all of the sudden?

On the first graph you posted, I showed you how you were fundamentally wrong; and now you're just gonna bloviate your way out of it, somehow?

Keep going.

[midnightpulp]

derp kook effect


Take a deep breath and look at it again.

Now he's telling me the gray line includes 2020 deaths. :lol

https://i.imgur.com/xPGq3lG.png

Truly incredible how a straight to the point simple graph causes this much confusion.

[pgardn]

Looks like a tap out.
Again.

[midnightpulp]

Looks like a tap out.
Again.

:lol. No, he'll "keep going."

[Spurtacular]

Now he's telling me the gray line includes 2020 deaths. :lol

https://i.imgur.com/xPGq3lG.png

Truly incredible how a straight to the point simple graph causes this much confusion.

All's your proving is that the graph was mislabeled. Clear as day that line gray line extends to 6/4/20.

[midnightpulp]

All's your proving is that the graph was mislabeled. Clear as day that line gray line extends to 6/4/20.

:lmao :lmao :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

All's your proving is that the graph was mislabeled. Clear as day that line gray line extends to 6/4/20.:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:roll in:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin

[Spurtacular]

Now he's telling me the gray line includes 2020 deaths. :lol

You actually tripled down on this stupid shit.

:lol The line extends to 6/4/20
:lol You couldn't make a simple determination that the label is wrong or not fully right.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol. No, he'll "keep going."Oh you called dat shit.:lol

[midnightpulp]

:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin: rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin

Amazing, isn't it? I want to explain it to him, but it's no use. He can't admit to being wrong.

[ChumpDumper]

You actually tripled down on this stupid shit.

:lol The line extends to 6/4/20
:lol You couldn't make a simple determination that the label is wrong or not fully right.

https://media.giphy.com/media/29HRejgahYenVsohB5/source.gif

[Spurtacular]

Keep going.


:lol. No, he'll "keep going."

You thought the red line was actual deaths and that COVID was thusly being under-reported in the imagined spike.

I get that your feelings are hurt because you misread the graph like the common layman for whom this was meant to deceive.

But if you need to save face, just QFT. Don't be trying to pretend that I'm the idiot.

[midnightpulp]

Lower cognitive ability linked to non-compliance with social distancing guidelines during the coronavirus outbreak

[midnightpulp]

You thought the red line was actual deaths and that COVID was thusly being under-reported in the imagined spike.

I get that your feelings are hurt because you misread the graph like the common layman for whom this was meant to deceive.

But if you need to save face, just QFT. Don't be trying to pretend that I'm the idiot.

Keep going.

[Spurtacular]

Dunning-Kruger Effect is a cognitive bias whereby people who are incompetent at something are unable to recognize their own incompetence.

[ChumpDumper]

You thought the red line was actual deaths and that COVID was thusly being under-reported in the imagined spike.

I get that your feelings are hurt because you misread the graph like the common layman for whom this was meant to deceive.

But if you need to save face, just QFT. Don't be trying to pretend that I'm the idiot.

https://media.giphy.com/media/1d5Zn8FqmJqApu4hNU/source.gif

[TimDunkem]

:lmao :lmao :lmao Deeeeeeeerppppp

2zTDXX9ReyU

[Blake]

All's your proving is that the graph was mislabeled. Clear as day that line gray line extends to 6/4/20.

:lmao

[Blake]

Lol derp calling out everyone else with Dunning Kruger

[ElNono]

Derp made a mistake. It happens.

On the other hand, hopefully this puts to rest the notion that the spike in deaths are simply "mislabeled" deaths.

[ChumpDumper]

Derp made a mistake. It happens.

On the other hand, hopefully this puts to rest the notion that the spike in deaths are simply "mislabeled" deaths.He quintupled down on his mistake and still hasn't admitted it's a mistake.

[Blake]

"Sen. Cornyn as Texas reports 550 child cases: 'We still don’t know’ if kids can get, transmit COVID...."

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/texas/article/cornyn-kids-covid-texas-cases-coronavirus-gop-15399723.php



Mind numbing

[boutons_deux]

A singular figure in Texas’ coronavirus response, Gov. Greg Abbott leads a state headed in an alarming direction

The coronavirus pandemic has proved a leadership test like no other for the second-term governor. He holds nearly all power over the state’s response as it careens toward crisis.

If the virus has presented a leadership test, Abbott’s metrics are getting worse.

COVID-19 has already killed at least 3,013 Texans and

is spreading rapidly,

infecting new people and filling hospitals with the sick.

Hospitals are beginning to get overwhelmed (https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/10/houston-coronavirus-emergency-rooms/).

the state’s economy (https://apps.texastribune.org/features/2020/texas-unemployment/?_ga=2.82590934.1559199240.1594040736-587841406.1583126698) continues to struggle,

with an unemployment rate (https://apps.texastribune.org/features/2020/texas-unemployment/?_ga=2.82590934.1559199240.1594040736-587841406.1583126698) in double digits and

budgets facing major shortfalls.

Critics point to ever-changing, sometimes serially confusing top-down guidance.

Facing down a public health emergency,

the governor has more than once reversed himself,

making virus mitigation decisions that some say came too late and others say should not have been made at all.

polls showing (https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/02/trump-leads-biden-poll/) Joe Biden in striking distance of President Donald Trump and

Democrats making a massive push farther down the ballot.

after he limited the power of the state’s mayors and county judges,

Abbott has almost complete authority to make critical decisions about the state’s response.

That means he owns the decisions that lead to lost jobs and lost lives.

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/11/texas-greg-abbott-coronavirus-response/

[baseline bum]

Now Abbott threatening to close down the state. Honestly I'd rather not close it down and just let the bodies pile up unless there is actually a national lockdown that accomplishes something. The April lockdown was a fucking waste because Trump didn't do anything to get aggressive contact tracing. Instead it was pretend the virus isn't really there. Same shit he's doing now. Because without a real national strategy for reopening safely that includes aggressive testing and contact tracing we're just going to keep doing this start shut start shut over and over until we're sick of it and then we'll just let the bodies pile up then instead. And it has to be national because there is nothing Texas can legally do to shut down its state border.

[Trainwreck2100]

Now Abbott threatening to close down the state. Honestly I'd rather not close it down and just let the bodies pile up unless there is actually a national lockdown that accomplishes something. The April lockdown was a fucking waste because Trump didn't do anything to get aggressive contact tracing. Instead it was pretend the virus isn't really there. Same shit he's doing now. Because without a real national strategy for reopening safely that includes aggressive testing and contact tracing we're just going to keep doing this start shut start shut over and over until we're sick of it and then we'll just let the bodies pile up then instead. And it has to be national because there is nothing Texas can legally do to shut down its state border.

Now that it's partisan i doubt a lockdown is as effective as it was in April anyway. And even if we lockdown they should use the guidelines the cdc came up with for opening and that shit would probably take us as long as it takes to get the vaccine.

[DarrinS]

This is over a month old, but still interesting



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rOWimohfXs

[ChumpDumper]

This is over a month old, but still interesting



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rOWimohfXsHope it works.

[SnakeBoy]

This is over a month old, but still interesting



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rOWimohfXs

Yeah my wife has been prescribing that to her at home covid pts as have her partners. Also oral dexamethosone.

[Winehole23]

1281054400736264194

[Blake]

"AUSTIN, Texas (CBSDFW.COM/AP) — The surge of COVID-19 cases in Texas continues as the state reported its highest daily count on Saturday with 10,351.

Saturday’s count brought the total cases of the novel coronavirus to just over a quarter-million, dating to the start of tracking in early March.

The true number of cases though is likely higher because many people have not been tested, and studies suggest people can be infected and not feel sick.

A record 10,083 COVID-19 patients are hospitalized, while 99 new fatalities were reported Saturday. The total is second only to the record 105 reported Thursday and brought the state’s overall death toll to 3,112....."

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/07/11/texas-reports-record-high-10351-cases-covid-19-saturday/

[boutons_deux]

inhaled steroid Budesonide?

Midland Memorial Hospital says inhaled steroid is no 'silver bullet' for COVID-19

"There’s no scientific proof, no carefully evaluated peer review studies, that prove the efficacy of those treatments."

https://www.newswest9.com/article/news/local/midland-memorial-hospital-says-inhaled-steroid-is-no-silver-bullet-for-covid-19/513-a30477f5-35fb-41cb-97fb-e8aaad6250b2

==================

Inhaled corticosteroids and COVID-19: a systematic review and clinical perspective

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7236828/

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/phidippides26/status/1281574375976828928?s=19

I heard of Texas toast, but it looks like Texas is toast :cry

[KobesAchilles]

Never thought I would have to fill out paperwork to make my will just to teach homie. Shits sad. I’m way too young for this shit. Like the opposite of Danny Glover

[DMX7]

Never thought I would have to fill out paperwork to make my will just to teach homie. Shits sad. I’m way too young for this shit. Like the opposite of Danny Glover

This year has fu*king sucked. Of course it’s been made worse by our country’s sorry response to COVID-19.

[KobesAchilles]

This year has fu*king sucked. Of course it’s been made worse by our country’s sorry response to COVID-19.
Fucked up part is all my bosses in TEA already said it was too dangerous for them to go back to work and are gonna work online from home while I go to the classroom :lol

Shit man, my central office fucking sucks here in Htown. The state literally was just about to fire all their asses before Covid shit came around. Like bitches weren’t doing their job to begin with, now they’re gonna perform at home? Shits so sad it’s hilarious in some ways

[Winehole23]

1282342324283101184

[baseline bum]

Fucked up part is all my bosses in TEA already said it was too dangerous for them to go back to work and are gonna work online from home while I go to the classroom :lol

Shit man, my central office fucking sucks here in Htown. The state literally was just about to fire all their asses before Covid shit came around. Like bitches weren’t doing their job to begin with, now they’re gonna perform at home? Shits so sad it’s hilarious in some ways

You should teach your class about them. And also have them fail their standardized testing to fuck up the school's funding...... Then fuck your boss' daughter, or even better his son.

[tholdren]

Houston Testing all time high
Non covid icu still outpacing covid icu
Thousands of beds still available....

[Winehole23]

Houston Testing all time high
Non covid icu still outpacing covid icu
Thousands of beds still available....Does Houston have all the medical staffing it needs to fill those beds?

[tholdren]

Does Houston have all the medical staffing it needs to fill those beds?
Depends if the could afford to bring staff back from lockdown furloughs.

Hospitals have to play catch up because of no profit for months.

Locdowns ill advised

[Blake]

Depends if the could afford to bring staff back from lockdown furloughs.

Hospitals have to play catch up because of no profit for months.

Locdowns ill advised

Tholdren gossiping

[Blake]

"The COVID-19 positivity rate in Texas reached a record-high as top officials in Houston call for the city to lock back down as area hospitals strain to accommodate the onslaught of patients sick with the new coronavirus.

The positivity rate jumped to 16.33% Saturday, up from the previous high of 15.85%, recorded on April 12. An increase in the positivity rate indicates an increase in the spread of the virus, not an increase in testing for the virus.

The number eclipsed 10% on June 23 and has climbed steadily since that date....

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/texas-news/texas-positivity-rate-reaches-record-high-as-houston-leaders-call-for-city-lockdown/2405236/

[midnightpulp]

"The COVID-19 positivity rate in Texas reached a record-high as top officials in Houston call for the city to lock back down as area hospitals strain to accommodate the onslaught of patients sick with the new coronavirus.

The positivity rate jumped to 16.33% Saturday, up from the previous high of 15.85%, recorded on April 12. An increase in the positivity rate indicates an increase in the spread of the virus, not an increase in testing for the virus.

The number eclipsed 10% on June 23 and has climbed steadily since that date....

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/texas-news/texas-positivity-rate-reaches-record-high-as-houston-leaders-call-for-city-lockdown/2405236/

https://i.imgur.com/cMhoxRW.png

[boutons_deux]

p/e must be moving into medical oxygen and oxygen concentrators, because many 100Ks are going to need supplemental oxygen

How many survivors will be collecting govt disability payments?

[LkrFan]

He doesn't just "play dumb" on TV
https://twitter.com/hossehenad/status/1282498098858786818?s=19

And you farmers voted for him instead of Beto? Look at his gut. I bet he did a lot of campaigning in San Antonio :lol

[tholdren]

"The COVID-19 positivity rate in Texas reached a record-high as top officials in Houston call for the city to lock back down as area hospitals strain to accommodate the onslaught of patients sick with the new coronavirus.

The positivity rate jumped to 16.33% Saturday, up from the previous high of 15.85%, recorded on April 12. An increase in the positivity rate indicates an increase in the spread of the virus, not an increase in testing for the virus.

The number eclipsed 10% on June 23 and has climbed steadily since that date....

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/texas-news/texas-positivity-rate-reaches-record-high-as-houston-leaders-call-for-city-lockdown/2405236/
Great news increase cases lower deaths.

Lockdown fail

[midnightpulp]

Great news increase cases lower deaths.

Lockdown fail

Only 32 deaths reported yesterday for Texas! Looking great! I bet they crush the death curve this week. That old Texas spirit rising to the occasion!

[tholdren]

Only 32 deaths reported yesterday for Texas! Looking great! I bet they crush the death curve this week. That old Texas spirit rising to the occasion!

200 ppl die from the flu every day.

Also you have no idea how many of those 35 died with from probable or any clue what date they died or their ages or comorbidities....

[ChumpDumper]

200 ppl die from the flu every day.Is that an estimate?

[tholdren]

Is that an estimate?

Yep same estimate as every other death.

[ChumpDumper]

YepOh.

[midnightpulp]

200 ppl die from the flu every day.

Also you have no idea how many of those 35 died with from probable or any clue what date they died or their ages or comorbidities....

Think you're missing the point. 32 is a great figure. Texas will continue to defy all statistical probabilities and CRUSH the curve this week. Yep.

[tholdren]

Think you're missing the point. 32 is a great figure. Texas will continue to defy all statistical probabilities and CRUSH the curve this week. Yep.
Thinking you're missing the point. 35 deaths all unknown date age comorbidities testing etc


Hospitals never overwhelmed

[TimDunkem]

Hey, old liar, tell us about the days of skillllz before the 3pt line bwahahaha :lmao

[RandomGuy]

Hays County (Seton) ICU is full. They are shunting critically ill to other hospitals.

We are exporting our future fatalities, that also means our "hospitalized" counts will flatline. (per state representatives' office)

[midnightpulp]

Thinking you're missing the point. 35 deaths all unknown date age comorbidities testing etc


Hospitals never overwhelmed

I'm agreeing with you, dude. Everything is great in Texas right now. Just some backlogged deaths and people being run over by lawnmowers counted as Covid deaths being added to the log.

In reality, Texas has probably only had like 4 deaths this week due to Covid, and they were all 90 year olds.

[RandomGuy]

I'm agreeing with you, dude. Everything is great in Texas right now. Just some backlogged deaths and people being run over by lawnmowers counted as Covid deaths being added to the log.

In reality, Texas has probably only had like 4 deaths this week due to Covid, and they were all 90 year olds.

He has presented a testible hypothesis. Two actually.

COVID = as deadly as the flu. Flu, worst case scenario 62000 deaths.

He further asserts that, based on this, anything over that is misrepresented "fake news"

We know the estimated incidence of death in the country for 2020, was to have ended up being .0088 from all causes in the US, and that includes an expected uptick in opiod deaths. .0088*330M = 2.904M. Add another "bad flu" to that, and you get a final expected death rate of .00899, or round to .009 to keep calcs simpler.

A: COVID is just like the flu

IF A, then B: news reports saying it is worse are false.

IF A, then B.

This has the benefit of covering any potential mis-attributions, as he asserts. The raw death data from all causes obviates that. We will know around March or April of next year what the final toll was. Trump administration won't be around to hide it, in all probability.

.009 or close, and he is right.

Higher... he is almost certainly wrong. 200k by end of August with four more months of outbreaks to go for the end of the year. If people are still limiting physical contacts, flu season might actually be pretty light this year. I know I will absolutely go in for my vaccination, as will my family. Ain't no way school is starting in the fall other than distance learning, but that is a whole other can of worms.

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Cuck

:lmao

[RandomGuy]

I'm agreeing with you, dude. Everything is great in Texas right now. Just some backlogged deaths and people being run over by lawnmowers counted as Covid deaths being added to the log.

In reality, Texas has probably only had like 4 deaths this week due to Covid, and they were all 90 year olds.

Of coursse the problem with focusing on the fatalities...

For every one that dies, 19 will require hospitalization.
18 of those will have permanent heart damage
10 will have permanent lung damage
3 will have strokes
2 will have neurological damage that leads to chronic weakness and loss of coordination
2 will have neurological damage that leads to loss of cognitive function

300k fatalities by the end of the year:
5,700,000 hospitalizations.
5,400,000 with heart damage
3,000,000 with lung damage
900k strokes
600k with mild neurological damage
600k with cognitive impairment

Tell me that doesn't impose an economic loss.

[RandomGuy]

State of Texas: Teachers weigh risks of return to the classroom
https://www.kxan.com/state-of-texas/state-of-texas-teachers-weigh-risks-of-return-to-the-classroom/

So many unanswered questions. My take: won't happen. As soon as you get a bunch of teachers calling in sick for two week stretches because of needing to quantine... you have lost any benefit of getting them back into classrooms.

get ready for another round of tele-teaching.


“I don’t know how much any of you have tried to get a sixth, seventh, eighth grader to do something for almost eight hours a day. But good luck getting them to keep their mask on and stay away from people for eight hours a day,” middle school teacher Eric Ramos said.

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I read an analysis that cratering the economy now to control the pandemic is CHEAPER than letting the pandemic run while the economy would still be crippled.

Of course, that ignores that other countries have controlled the pandemic without massive economic damage, "because socialism", because they were governed seriously and had apopulation correctly informed and compliant with behavior that knocked the pandemic down.

WTF is wrong with USA?

Repugs at all levels of government, and asshole ignorant citizens with their sociopathic freedumb bullshit

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USA is a failed country

[DarrinS]

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[RandomGuy]

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Can't see it. What I will assume is that it doesn't show Donald Trump acting responsibly or meaningfully to combat the pandemic, nor will it show any Republican elected official doing the same.

You fuckers don't have that. Why is that?

[Spurtacular]

:lmao

You're wife announced you were a cuckold. That's maybe more embarrassing than doing it yourself. :lol

[TimDunkem]

^Your*

[DarrinS]

Can't see it. What I will assume is that it doesn't show Donald Trump acting responsibly or meaningfully to combat the pandemic, nor will it show any Republican elected official doing the same.

You fuckers don't have that. Why is that?

"From steveKrak: more people died with coronavirus in New York City (population 8 million) than Texas (29 mil), Florida (21 mil), California (39 mil) and Georgia (11 mil) … combined. This is “competent government” according to a @washingtonpost reporter."

[DarrinS]

Can't see it. What I will assume is that it doesn't show Donald Trump acting responsibly or meaningfully to combat the pandemic, nor will it show any Republican elected official doing the same.

You fuckers don't have that. Why is that?

"From steveKrak: more people died with coronavirus in New York City (population 8 million) than Texas (29 mil), Florida (21 mil), California (39 mil) and Georgia (11 mil) … combined. This is “competent government” according to a @washingtonpost reporter."

[Blake]

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More what about New York.

[Blake]

"From steveKrak: more people died with coronavirus in New York City (population 8 million) than Texas (29 mil), Florida (21 mil), California (39 mil) and Georgia (11 mil) … combined. This is “competent government” according to a @washingtonpost reporter."

Darrin would you say the ability to treat covid in hospitals has gone up, gone down, or stayed the same since April?

[RandomGuy]

cuck

:lmao

Your hand announced it was lonely. Clap for me. Say cuck a few more times. Your tourrettes is funny.

[RandomGuy]

Can't see it. What I will assume is that it doesn't show Donald Trump acting responsibly or meaningfully to combat the pandemic, nor will it show any Republican elected official doing the same.

You fuckers don't have that. Why is that?



"From steveKrak: more people died with coronavirus in New York City (population 8 million) than Texas (29 mil), Florida (21 mil), California (39 mil) and Georgia (11 mil) … combined. This is “competent government” according to a @washingtonpost reporter."

Gonna save this one. See what happens in about three months after we have the data from those four states outbreaks from just THIS month.

It's like you don't understand reporting lags and the passage of time.

Do you understand what a reporting lag is?

[leemajors]

State of Texas: Teachers weigh risks of return to the classroom
https://www.kxan.com/state-of-texas/state-of-texas-teachers-weigh-risks-of-return-to-the-classroom/

So many unanswered questions. My take: won't happen. As soon as you get a bunch of teachers calling in sick for two week stretches because of needing to quantine... you have lost any benefit of getting them back into classrooms.

get ready for another round of tele-teaching.

My daughters high school hallways are packed shoulder to shoulder between classes. I think even at 1/3 capacity it would be impossible to social distance just in the hallways.

[vy65]

"From steveKrak: more people died with coronavirus in New York City (population 8 million) than Texas (29 mil), Florida (21 mil), California (39 mil) and Georgia (11 mil) … combined. This is “competent government” according to a @washingtonpost reporter."

What happens to that narrative when Texas re-closes again?

[RandomGuy]

My daughters high school hallways are packed shoulder to shoulder between classes. I think even at 1/3 capacity it would be impossible to social distance just in the hallways.

Those kids aren't going to social distance, and keep their masks on. No way. Even if they did that. My wife (high school science teacher) just rolls her eyes. They made her work graduation with hundreds of kids and their parents, and the kids didn't there either. They know it probably wont' make them sick, and still have that youthful aura of invincibility.

[Blake]

My daughters high school hallways are packed shoulder to shoulder between classes. I think even at 1/3 capacity it would be impossible to social distance just in the hallways.

BUT IT'S JUST LIKE WALMART THOUGH

[Blake]

What happens to that narrative when Texas re-closes again?

The narrative changes

[Spurtacular]

:lmao

Your hand announced it was lonely. Clap for me. Say cuck a few more times. Your tourrettes is funny.

Don't lash out just cos your wife announced you are a cuck.

[Spurtacular]

Great news increase cases lower deaths.

Lockdown fail

:lol Chumpettes keep scrambling to make sense of the lies.

[ChumpDumper]

1282626898879819776Don't get defensive.

Texas is shitting the bed. We had the chance to fairly easily get the numbers down where NY has them now and we failed miserably. We need to own it and stop deflecting.

[RandomGuy]

Say cuck a few more times. Your tourette's is funny.


cuck.

:lmao

[DMC]

What happens to that narrative when Texas re-closes again?

There will still be more deaths in NY than all those states combined.

What happens when a hypothetical that favors my point happens?

[DMC]

Those kids aren't going to social distance, and keep their masks on. No way. Even if they did that. My wife (high school science teacher) just rolls her eyes. They made her work graduation with hundreds of kids and their parents, and the kids didn't there either. They know it probably wont' make them sick, and still have that youthful aura of invincibility.

Is this the woman that told people here she cucks you? Just curious. I'd like to get more into that conversation.

[ChumpDumper]

I'd like to get more into that conversation.Creepy.

[SnakeBoy]

Can't see it. What I will assume is that it doesn't show Donald Trump acting responsibly or meaningfully to combat the pandemic, nor will it show any Republican elected official doing the same.

You fuckers don't have that. Why is that?

It just shows a dumb liberal who thinks New York is out of the woods.

[ChumpDumper]

Texas is moving into the woods.

[DMC]

Creepy.

Yeah.. you know it.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah.. you know it.Yeah, I know you're creepy.

[Winehole23]

county level detail

https://covid19risk.biosci.gatech.edu/

[Spurtacular]

Is this the woman that told people here she cucks you? Just curious. I'd like to get more into that conversation.

You remember when his wife used to post here, right?

[vy65]

There will still be more deaths in NY than all those states combined.

What happens when a hypothetical that favors my point happens?

Do you think that Texas re-closing is a hypothetical at this point?

[tholdren]

Don't get defensive.

Texas is shitting the bed. We had the chance to fairly easily get the numbers down where NY has them now and we failed miserably. We need to own it and stop deflecting.

In the states making up the hot cases. The ifr is now ..... less than the flu. ChumpDumper I will take an apology.

For those under 65. The ifr is 25 percent of the flu.

One last stat. Cdc excess of 17k deaths that have not been reported and are months old will continue to make people like RandomGuy and pgardn think that hospitals are overwhelmed and the pandemic is still peaking.

Sad day for ChumpDumper who has been denying ifr since march.

Lololololol you

[ChumpDumper]

ifrShow your math.

[DarrinS]

Don't get defensive.

Texas is shitting the bed. We had the chance to fairly easily get the numbers down where NY has them now and we failed miserably. We need to own it and stop deflecting.


Updated daily

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/

[ChumpDumper]

Updated daily

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/How does that change the fact that Texas shit the bed?

Explain.

[tholdren]

How does that change the fact that Texas shit the bed?

Explain.

What does shit the bed mean? Explain,

[ChumpDumper]

What does shit the bed mean? Explain,th:loldren admits he doesn't even know what "shit the bed" means.

You can't make this up.

[tholdren]

th:loldren admits he doesn't even know what "shit the bed" means.

You can't make this up.

so your deflection means you dont have specifics? Typical

[ChumpDumper]

so your deflection means you dont have specifics? Typicalth:loldren has never once showed his math. Typical.

th:loldren doesn't know what "shit the bed" means. Typical.

[tholdren]

th:loldren has never once showed his math. Typical.

so still going off on that tangent?

[ChumpDumper]

so still going off on that tangent?th:loldren upset someone else went off on a tangent.

[baseline bum]

What does shit the bed mean? Explain,

I think he's saying Texas has gone from very low infection rates to a COVID inferno thanks to the Balous Miller recovery plan.

[tholdren]

th:loldren upset someone else went off on a tangent.

So since baselinebum is speaking for you, why is it all texas?

[ChumpDumper]

So since baselinebum is speaking for you, why is it all texas?th:lolldren needs the concept of statehood explained to him.

[diego]

Now Abbott threatening to close down the state. Honestly I'd rather not close it down and just let the bodies pile up unless there is actually a national lockdown that accomplishes something. The April lockdown was a fucking waste because Trump didn't do anything to get aggressive contact tracing. Instead it was pretend the virus isn't really there. Same shit he's doing now. Because without a real national strategy for reopening safely that includes aggressive testing and contact tracing we're just going to keep doing this start shut start shut over and over until we're sick of it and then we'll just let the bodies pile up then instead. And it has to be national because there is nothing Texas can legally do to shut down its state border.

yeah, the us is going to go through this cycle, probably wont have another new york because of the density/rookie mistakes but I expect the US to basically have hotspots flaring up here and there until the federal government actually decides to do something. and of course, idiots will make bold statements the whole way through when we probably wont stop counting covid deaths for at least another year. Even if treatments improve and infections decrease, another year means at least 1 million dead worldwide with the US accounting for about a quarter of it. Is it end of the world catastrophic? at this point it doesnt look like it, but does it need to be end of the world catastrophic for people to man up and use a mask and wash their hands several times a day (if you are out obviously)? avoid crowded closed spaces? in the end i feel like the people saying its a plandemic just want more people to die...

[tholdren]

th:lolldren needs the concept of statehood explained to him.

Approx 20 counties make up 75 pct of cases and over half the deaths in US.

[ChumpDumper]

Approx 20 counties make up 75 pct of cases and over half the deaths in US.th:lolldren discovers people live in cities.

[DMC]

th:lolldren needs the concept of statehood explained to him.

For you, it's generalities when it saves you from being cornered, but you demand specifics otherwise. :lol

[tholdren]

th:lolldren discovers people live in cities.

So, 20 counties = cities= all of us cities?

Lol

[ChumpDumper]

For you, it's generalities when it saves you from being cornered, but you demand specifics otherwise. :lol:lol how am I getting cornered saying Texas is shitting the bed with its infections?

It's self-evident.

[ChumpDumper]

So, 20 counties = cities= all of us cities?

Lolth:loldren's latest tangent.

[tholdren]

:lol how am I getting cornered saying Texas is shitting the bed with its infections?

It's self-evident.
No it isn't, explain.... in detail. How all of Texas is whatever you are alluding to

[ChumpDumper]

No it isn't, explain.... in detail. How all of Texas is whatever you are alluding toAs soon as you show your ifr math.

[DMC]

:lol how am I getting cornered saying Texas is shitting the bed with its infections?

It's self-evident.

It's a generic statement with no real value assignment, like your use of the word "failure" and subsequent refusal to provide any boundaries or cutoffs for it. So just saying "failure" can be anything short of what your moving target of expectations musters at that moment. Same with "shit the bed". "Shit the bed" is basically "failure" to meet an arbitrary standard since you cannot outline the boundaries.

[tholdren]

As soon as you show your ifr math.

lolololololololol

Chumpdump


Lololololokolok

[ChumpDumper]

[Blah blah blah]Great. If you think things in Texas are fine, you come right out and say it.

I will believe you.

Do you think everything in Texas is fine when it comes to COVID?

Yes or no.

[pgardn]

It's a generic statement with no real value assignment, like your use of the word "failure" and subsequent refusal to provide any boundaries or cutoffs for it. So just saying "failure" can be anything short of what your moving target of expectations musters at that moment. Same with "shit the bed". "Shit the bed" is basically "failure" to meet an arbitrary standard since you cannot outline the boundaries.

Oh goody.

DMC has a value assignment list for shit the bed and failure.
Show us your table Ms. Crutchfield.

[ChumpDumper]

[no math]Do you think everything is fine in Texas RE: COVID?

Yes or no.

[tholdren]

Great. If you think things in Texas are fine, you come right out and say it.

I will believe you.

Do you think everything in Texas is fine when it comes to COVID?

Yes or no.

Lololooll

Goal post moved again.

Lololol

[DMC]

Oh goody.

DMC has a value assignment list for shit the bed and failure.
Show us your table Ms. Crutchfield.

I didn't conjure up the terms, dipshit. If I did I'd be more than happy to define them. This seems self-evident, but not to you obviously.

[ChumpDumper]

Suddenly negative opinion about the state of COVID in Texas is not to be expressed without a posting a book's worth of evidence.

Not required for New York.

Why are you guys getting so defensive?

It's getting worse here as far as infections, hospitalizations and deaths go, and it sucks.

[DMC]

Great. If you think things in Texas are fine, you come right out and say it.

I will believe you.

Do you think everything in Texas is fine when it comes to COVID?

Yes or no.

So the only options are "fine" and "shit the bed"?

What is "fine"?

What is "Shit the bed"?

There's a condition that exists, and whether or not it's fine or "shit the bed" depends largely on your point of view. If I thought it was fine, I'd say what "fine" means at least.

[tholdren]

Suddenly negative opinion about the state of COVID in Texas is not to be expressed without a posting a book's worth of evidence.

Not required for New York.

Why are you guys getting so defensive?

there is no evidence you have given. Per usual

[ChumpDumper]

So the only options are "fine" and "shit the bed"?If you can't say things are fine, I agree with you.:tu

[ChumpDumper]

there is no evidence you have given. Per usualJust like you never provide any evidence.

What's the problem?

Why so defensive?

[tholdren]

If you can't say things are fine, I agree with you.:tu

Lololool
Goalpost moved again

[DMC]

If you can't say things are fine, I agree with you.:tu

So a bifurcation trap attempt? Surely you can do better.

Define "fine"
Define "shit the bed"

I'd have to know what you mean by either to know if I feel that way.

[tholdren]

chumpdump said texas would be out of hospitals today with RandomGuy..... guess he's in hiding about being wrong again.


No hospitals ever over capacity.
Ifr less than flu
Yet somehow arguing for lockdown.

Lol det scinze doh

[ChumpDumper]

So a bifurcation trap attempt? Surely you can do better.

Define "fine"
Define "shit the bed"

I'd have to know what you mean by either to know if I feel that way.Actually, the point is you can say whatever you want.

You can say it's fine according to your own definition.

You can say it's the best in the nation according to your own definition.

I'm not limiting anyone to any definition.

I want to know how you characterize the current situation in Texas.

So you don't think it's fine-- what do you actually think?

[ChumpDumper]

chumpdump said texas would be out of hospitals today with RandomGuy..... guess he's in hiding about being wrong again.


No hospitals ever over capacity.
Ifr less than flu
Yet somehow arguing for lockdown.

Lol det scinze dohth:loldren just lies and lies and lies.

And will never show his ifr math.

And now he'll never say how he thinks things are going in Texas.

[pgardn]

I didn't conjure up the terms, dipshit. If I did I'd be more than happy to define them. This seems self-evident, but not to you obviously.

Oh Ms. Crutchfield on a wild tear.
She gonna assign numbers to word usage, just like she did with the wind, only blindly.
Go on, do it.

[ChumpDumper]

Oh Ms. Crutchfield on a wild tear.
She gonna assign numbers to word usage, just like she did with the wind, only blindly.
Go on, do it.DMC just wants to stay on the fence. I have no idea why he's so afraid to express his opinion anonymously.

[midnightpulp]

th:loldren just lies and lies and lies.

And will never show his ifr math.

And now he'll never say how he thinks things are going in Texas.

He also doesn't get how bed capacity works. They are likely scrambling to free beds by releasing non-critical patients. And just because you find an additional 1000 beds, doesn't mean you're going to have enough staff. And Covid patients require more staff.

[pgardn]

He also doesn't get how bed capacity works. They are likely scrambling to free beds by releasing non-critical patients. And just because you find an additional 1000 beds, doesn't mean you're going to have enough staff. And Covid patients require more staff.

That is far from all he does not understand.
I got plenty for you.
Anytime you want it.

[ChumpDumper]

He also doesn't get how bed capacity works. They are likely scrambling to free beds by releasing non-critical patients. And just because you find an additional 1000 beds, doesn't mean you're going to have enough staff. And Covid patients require more staff.He thinks everything is fine.

[DMC]

Oh Ms. Crutchfield on a wild tear.
She gonna assign numbers to word usage, just like she did with the wind, only blindly.
Go on, do it.

Not my terms. Are you completely retarded or just drunk?

[ChumpDumper]

Not my terms. Are you completely retarded or just drunk?Shit, you won't even use your own terms if it means committing to an opinion.

[DMC]

That is far from all he does not understand.
I got plenty for you.
Anytime you want it.

"Promises, promises"

-Ernie "The Cat" Ladd

You were supposed to do some science splaining about ELISA and you got all stove up like a possum. You keep making promises but never deliver.

[pgardn]

Not my terms. Are you completely retarded or just drunk?

Tell us about windspeed Ms. Crutchfield.
Its about as stupid as the other stuff you have put up.

[DMC]

Shit, you won't even use your own terms if it means committing to an opinion.

We're talking about terms you used. You shouldn't have any problems defining your own terms if you aren't afraid of being cornered into backing your own comments.

[DMC]

Tell us about windspeed Ms. Crutchfield.
Its about as stupid as the other stuff you have put up.

Wind is that shit coming from your piehole, oh great creator of ELISA and Nobel prize winner.

[pgardn]

"Promises, promises"

-Ernie "The Cat" Ladd

You were supposed to do some science splaining about ELISA and you got all stove up like a possum. You keep making promises but never deliver.

Oh.
The one you decided that I invented it.
And then when I explained it you went silent.
Yes. I remember.

So when I gave it back to you, the Editor and writer for TIME MAGAZINE, you did not like it.
Imagine that.

[DMC]

He also doesn't get how bed capacity works. They are likely scrambling to free beds by releasing non-critical patients. And just because you find an additional 1000 beds, doesn't mean you're going to have enough staff. And Covid patients require more staff.

Bend over, I'll fuckin' show you more staff.

[pgardn]

Wind is that shit coming from your piehole, oh great creator of ELISA and Nobel prize winner.

And.... runners away.

[ChumpDumper]

We're talking about terms you used. You shouldn't have any problems defining your own terms if you aren't afraid of being cornered into backing your own comments.The sharp increase in numbers of infections, hospitalizations and deaths compared to the relative flatness of the past few months..

Now I'm talking about the terms you will use if you ever get the strength to express an opinion. I get the felling you'd rather talk about me.