Texas response to Corona virus

[pgardn]

Our dear governor, Gregg Abbott, has learned that not listening to institutional knowledge can be as lucrative as a tree falling on your legs and suing the owner of the property.

https://www.tpr.org/post/texas-295-million-contact-tracing-deal-raises-bipartisan-eyebrows

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/investigations/article/Report-Head-of-295M-contract-falsified-degree-15304385.php


https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/texas/article/Mistakenly-uploaded-documents-add-to-15321098.php

This idiot awards a contract to a private company because he has got rid of so much apolitical institutional knowledge within his own health department. Perfectly inline with Trump. Hire bad managers, get awful spur of the moment inept private companies.

295 million dollar contract to a company that has not a clue what its doing and the head has faked a PHD.
Yeah Texas, hope it all works out.

Abbott is going for profit using this virus.

[tholdren]

Abbott is going for profit using this virus.

Trending down

[tholdren]

But any R0 is just an estimate and, epidemiologists stress, an imperfect one.

A paper published last year in Emerging Infectious Diseases, an academic journal, described the metric as important but warned that it can be “easily misrepresented, misinterpreted and misapplied.”

There is no consensus for how to measure it. Much of the underlying math relies, by necessity, on educated guesses and on human factors that can change unpredictably.

For this reason, most diseases are given a range, rather than a single figure. SARS is usually described as having an R0 of 2 to 5 — an enormous difference.

Tellingly, scientists are still disputing and revising estimates for diseases that have been studied for years; R0 figures for measles have ranged from 3.7 to 203.
Lol timcoronaviruskem

[tholdren]

If you go to the doctor today in texas. And you tell them that you had symptoms of covid in march? Or if you were around someone who had tested pos in march and had symptoms of covid..... you are a NEW CASE COUNT TODAY.

now thats science! Lol

[tholdren]

If you go to the doctor today in texas. And you tell them that you had symptoms of covid in march? Or if you were around someone who had tested pos in march and had symptoms of covid..... you are a NEW CASE COUNT TODAY.

now thats science! Lol

If you get elective surgery. You have to get tested. If you test ab pos you will be a NEW DAILY CASE COUNT and A NEW DAILY HOSPITALIZATION.

that is science!

[tholdren]

hey ChumpDumper remember when I said waaayyyy back in March that cdc would count these like alcohol related fatalities to boost the numbers? Lol you

[ChumpDumper]

hey ChumpDumper remember when I said waaayyyy back in March that cdc would count these like alcohol related fatalities to boost the numbers? Lol youI remember you said it was the flu. Lol you

[tholdren]

I remember you said it was the flu. Lol you
And it is less than that, if you are under 50. Per the cdc.

Lol you

[tholdren]

El nono doesn't know what applied science means

[ChumpDumper]

AndEnough excuses, Karen.

Why do you have to lie all the time?

[tholdren]

Enough excuses, Karen.

Why do you have to lie all the time?

Haven't lied about anything. All facts. I'm right. You're wrong.

[ChumpDumper]

Haven't lied about anything. All facts. I'm right. You're wrong.No, you said it's the flu. Wrong. Quit lying, Karen.

[tholdren]

No, you said it's the flu. Wrong. Quit lying, Karen.
Cdc says less than flu under 50. Ifr is 2x flu.

I was right. Unless you say the cdc is wrong? Why don't you use the numbers to prove me wrong. Lol

[ChumpDumper]

Cdc says less than flu under 50. Ifr is 2x flu.

I was right. Unless you say the cdc is wrong? Why don't you use the numbers to prove me wrong. Lol:lmao Excuse after excuse.

You called it the flu, Karen.

No more lies.

[tholdren]

:lmao Excuse after excuse.

You called it the flu, Karen.

No more lies.
Wait so no numbers? Beahahaahahaha look at you and your no math. Lololol

[ChumpDumper]

Wait so no numbers? Beahahaahahaha look at you and your no math. Lololol:lmao Karen's desperately trying to change the subject from her lies.

[tholdren]

:lmao Karen's desperately trying to change the subject from her lies.

You Google ifr and realized you had no idea what that meant. Sweet cover

[ChumpDumper]

You:lol You're the one who lies, Karen.

[tholdren]

:lol You're the one who lies, Karen.

Only quoting parts of a response and name calling "liar" dude you not bright

[ChumpDumper]

Only:lol keep trying to change the subject Karen.

[Blake]

Haven't lied about anything. All facts. I'm right. You're wrong.

:lol

[tholdren]

Nothing to change. You said I called it the flu. I am correct. Its less than flu for people under 50. You will never be able to statistically prove me wrong based on the data collected by USA. But even with the overcount cdc is aligned to my stance.

[ChumpDumper]

I called it the flu. I am correct.:lol wrong

[RandomGuy]

[demonstrates conclusively that tholdren didn't know what he was talking about or was simply being dishonest]


[changes subject from his inaccurate claim, to repeating his unbased claim that there will not be a need for beds]

.. and with that, you show your ass.

Can't support claims, just repeat them. That is what snot-nosed, punk-ass posers do, and why I post links to show exactly where I get my information from.

[RandomGuy]

That math. Lol. By your 3/17 math Texas has negative population. Whoops. Anti science

"based on what we know now, you were really dumb about this in march" :rollin

Wasn't really meant to be the definitive r-naught if memory serves, merely illustrative of concept.

Try harder. Or you know, keep :jack

[RandomGuy]

yikes. Awful take

yikes. lazy take.

more :jack from the boards biggest :jack

[tholdren]

"based on what we know now, you were really dumb about this in march" :rollin

Wasn't really meant to be the definitive r-naught if memory serves, merely illustrative of concept.

Try harder. Or you know, keep :jack
Lol look at this guy backing up the truck. Lol your math. Now pretending R0 had something to do with it. Lololololololol

[RandomGuy]

Nothing to change. You said I called it the flu. I am correct. Its less than flu for people under 50. You will never be able to statistically prove me wrong based on the data collected by USA. But even with the overcount cdc is aligned to my stance.

Really wondering where you get that, as their datasets don't seem to have an "under 50" cutoff. they are in ten year cutoffs that end in -4.

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku/data

based on what I see here under 54 covid is 7,014
flu for the same category is shown as 1079

quite a bit of uncategorized "pneumonia" in a different column.

This would seem that the CDC thinks that COVID is about 7 times more deadly than the flu.

Again, we will have a very good sense by the end of the year what effect this had, and what it is reasonable to attribute, i.e. large unexpected spike in overall rate over the year end 8.8 per 1000.

[RandomGuy]

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku/data

Another interesting split in the data:
Men are about two and a half times more likely to die than women, 54 and under.
4940 vs 2074

Guessing that has to do with some specific risk factor. Interesting to see what the science shake out on that.

[tholdren]

Really wondering where you get that, as their datasets don't seem to have an "under 50" cutoff. they are in ten year cutoffs that end in -4.

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku/data

based on what I see here under 54 covid is 7,014
flu for the same category is shown as 1079

quite a bit of uncategorized "pneumonia" in a different column.

This would seem that the CDC thinks that COVID is about 7 times more deadly than the flu.

Again, we will have a very good sense by the end of the year what effect this had, and what it is reasonable to attribute, i.e. large unexpected spike in overall rate over the year end 8.8 per 1000.

Ifr dumb dumb

[RandomGuy]

This dataset does provide us with some interesting datapoints.

"All deaths" data gets us closer to figuring "excess" deaths.
https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku

Data set is about 4 months of data. All deaths given for US is 1091256.

Expected 2020 death rate total should be 8.8 per 1000.

.0088*4/12*330000000 = 968000

actual observed deaths 1091256

excess deaths over provisional expected (1091256-968000):
123,256

total COVID reported:
95608

It would appear that there is a good indication of the possibility that COVID is being underreported, barring some other new cause of death that we don't know about.

We'll see if that trend holds for the remainder of the year.

(edit)
excess spike is 27,648, or approximately 3% of total deaths reported. That would seem to get into the realm of statistically significant. I will ask our actuary on her lunch hour tho.

[boutons_deux]

Bexar County Residents in Their 20s Make Up Many of June’s 1,500 New Coronavirus Cases


https://therivardreport.com/bexar-county-residents-in-their-20s-make-up-many-of-junes-1500-new-coronavirus-cases/?utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter-daily&utm_content=editorial&utm_term=health&utm_source=Rivard+Report&utm_campaign=8d7f44821c-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_12_21_07_19_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1576c62124-8d7f44821c-84683437&mc_cid=8d7f44821c&mc_eid=54a5432c74 (https://therivardreport.com/bexar-county-residents-in-their-20s-make-up-many-of-junes-1500-new-coronavirus-cases/?utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter-daily&utm_content=editorial&utm_term=health&utm_source=Rivard+Report&utm_campaign=8d7f44821c-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_12_21_07_19_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1576c62124-8d7f44821c-84683437&mc_cid=8d7f44821c&mc_eid=54a5432c74)

[RandomGuy]

Ifr dumb dumb

That isn't a link, or an alternate, better dataset.

That is more :jack

If you had a better dataset, you would present the link. You are worse than the 9-11 twoofers.

[RandomGuy]

Lol look at this guy backing up the truck. Lol your math. Now pretending R0 had something to do with it. Lololololololol

Not backtracking at all. Merely pointing out how shitty your takes are.

More fail. You suck at this.

[baseline bum]

Bexar County Residents in Their 20s Make Up Many of June’s 1,500 New Coronavirus Cases


https://therivardreport.com/bexar-county-residents-in-their-20s-make-up-many-of-junes-1500-new-coronavirus-cases/?utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter-daily&utm_content=editorial&utm_term=health&utm_source=Rivard+Report&utm_campaign=8d7f44821c-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_12_21_07_19_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1576c62124-8d7f44821c-84683437&mc_cid=8d7f44821c&mc_eid=54a5432c74 (https://therivardreport.com/bexar-county-residents-in-their-20s-make-up-many-of-junes-1500-new-coronavirus-cases/?utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter-daily&utm_content=editorial&utm_term=health&utm_source=Rivard+Report&utm_campaign=8d7f44821c-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_12_21_07_19_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1576c62124-8d7f44821c-84683437&mc_cid=8d7f44821c&mc_eid=54a5432c74)

Sounds like our protest wave is here then.

[tholdren]

That isn't a link, or an alternate, better dataset.

That is more :jack

If you had a better dataset, you would present the link. You are worse than the 9-11 twoofers.

You know so little about the data released by the cdc, yet you feel like you need to gossip? Lol

Read

[boutons_deux]

4 more HEB employees in SA area have C19

[tholdren]

Not backtracking at all. Merely pointing out how shitty your takes are.

More fail. You suck at this.

Lol R0 as some type of evidence with this. Hysterical

[phxspurfan]

Cowboys, Texans players test positive for coronavirus

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29314127/cowboys-texans-players-test-positive-covid-19-sources-say

None of the Cowboys players had been at The Star, the team's facility, during the offseason, per league rules. The team has been in consistent contact with the players and the club has an infectious disease consultant on its medical staff.

It's not clear how the players contracted the virus.

[tholdren]

Nc trending down

[DarrinS]

4 more HEB employees in SA area have C19

South Side

[TimDunkem]

South Side

Guess they don't count?

[tholdren]

Blood donations getting covid tested. Prepare for 2nd wave... right ChumpDumper and RandomGuy

That R0


Lol

[tholdren]

Guess they don't count?
You survived covid!!!!

[ChumpDumper]

th:lolldren wandering around the forums looking to start a fight he lost in March.

[tholdren]

You survived covid!!!!
And even though you didn't test positive you had a symptom. You get counted as positive!!! Spike!!!

[SnakeBoy]

Sounds like our protest wave is here then.

My wife had a pt on Friday who's a lawyer that had been working with protest organizers all week. Ten minutes into the visit he tells her oh yeah all week I was sitting 4 feet from a protest organizer who just tested positive for covid. Motherfucker maybe that should be the first thing you mention, better yet say it when you called for an appt.

[baseline bum]

My wife had a pt on Friday who's a lawyer that had been working with protest organizers all week. Ten minutes into the visit he tells her oh yeah all week I was sitting 4 feet from a protest organizer who just tested positive for covid. Motherfucker maybe that should be the first thing you mention, better yet say it when you called for an appt.

What a dickhead. At least your wife had it already though right?

[BSfromTX]

My wife had a pt on Friday who's a lawyer that had been working with protest organizers all week. Ten minutes into the visit he tells her oh yeah all week I was sitting 4 feet from a protest organizer who just tested positive for covid. Motherfucker maybe that should be the first thing you mention, better yet say it when you called for an appt.


All health care facilities are suppose to provide a covid form before seeing patients. One of the questions:

-Have you had close contact with or cared for someone diagnosed with Covid19 within the last 14 days?

[CosmicCowboy]

Cowboys, Texans players test positive for coronavirus

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29314127/cowboys-texans-players-test-positive-covid-19-sources-say

None of the Cowboys players had been at The Star, the team's facility, during the offseason, per league rules. The team has been in consistent contact with the players and the club has an infectious disease consultant on its medical staff.

It's not clear how the players contracted the virus.

probably out chasing hoes.

[SnakeBoy]

What a dickhead. At least your wife had it already though right?

Most likely. She had the Quest antibody test which was negative (same for me) but turns out it's so inaccurate she's not even ordering it for pts anymore. Basically she had a number of pts who she was sure had it back when their when they could not get tested and all of them had spouses who also got ill. In every case the Quest antibody test showed one spouse as positive and the other as negative even though they were both sick with the same illness at the same time.

So she was talking to SAHD about the antibody tests and how inaccurate they seemed to be (actually they called her about them) and she told them about my case (testing positive through the convalescent plasma study but negative with Quest). SAHD actually looked into it surprisingly and it turns out my initial antibody test with STBTC was actually done by http://www.xbiotech.com/ which they said is a far more sensitive and accurate test so we should believe that test and disregard the Quest one. Basically the commercial companies have just thrown together quick unproven antibody tests because there's money to be made. She also had that confirmed by an infectious disease doc who told her the same thing. He said he'll let her know when there's a worthwhile antibody test commercially available but until then there's really no reason to use them.

[SnakeBoy]

All health care facilities are suppose to provide a covid form before seeing patients. One of the questions:

-Have you had close contact with or cared for someone diagnosed with Covid19 within the last 14 days?

Yeah they have the protocols. He didn't mention it until he was in private with the doctor. Life in the real world.

[leemajors]

Most likely. She had the Quest antibody test which was negative (same for me) but turns out it's so inaccurate she's not even ordering it for pts anymore. Basically she had a number of pts who she was sure had it back when their when they could get tested and all of them had spouses who also got ill. In every case the Quest antibody test showed one spouse as positive and the other as negative even though they were both sick with the same illness at the same time.

So she was talking to SAHD about the antibody tests and how inaccurate they seemed to be (actually they called her about them) and she told them about my case (testing positive through the convalescent plasma study but negative with Quest). SAHD actually looked into it surprisingly and it turns out my initial antibody test with STBTC was actually done by http://www.xbiotech.com/ which they said is a far more sensitive and accurate test so we should believe that test and disregard the Quest one. Basically the commercial companies have just thrown together quick unproven antibody tests because there's money to be made. She also had that confirmed by an infectious disease doc who told her the same thing. He said he'll let her know when there's a worthwhile antibody test commercially available but until then there's really no reason to use them.

:tu

[baseline bum]

Most likely. She had the Quest antibody test which was negative (same for me) but turns out it's so inaccurate she's not even ordering it for pts anymore. Basically she had a number of pts who she was sure had it back when their when they could not get tested and all of them had spouses who also got ill. In every case the Quest antibody test showed one spouse as positive and the other as negative even though they were both sick with the same illness at the same time.

So she was talking to SAHD about the antibody tests and how inaccurate they seemed to be (actually they called her about them) and she told them about my case (testing positive through the convalescent plasma study but negative with Quest). SAHD actually looked into it surprisingly and it turns out my initial antibody test with STBTC was actually done by http://www.xbiotech.com/ which they said is a far more sensitive and accurate test so we should believe that test and disregard the Quest one. Basically the commercial companies have just thrown together quick unproven antibody tests because there's money to be made. She also had that confirmed by an infectious disease doc who told her the same thing. He said he'll let her know when there's a worthwhile antibody test commercially available but until then there's really no reason to use them.

Do you know if the antibody testing done by New York and LA County were using the more accurate test you got? Or the horseshit cash grabs? I just ask since those showed ~20-25% estimated infection rate in NYC and ~5% infection rate in LA County about a month and a half or so ago if I remember right. Wondering if those numbers should be considered worth anything or if it's more accurate to say we have never had a fucking clue how much this has spread anywhere in the US. If those NYC numbers were correct I think they led to an estimate of around 0.4% to 0.5% fatality rate from people who get it which is a hell of a lot better than the early days when only Korea was testing much and the fatality rate looked more like 0.7% to 1.0%.

[RandomGuy]

Most likely. She had the Quest antibody test which was negative (same for me) but turns out it's so inaccurate she's not even ordering it for pts anymore. Basically she had a number of pts who she was sure had it back when their when they could not get tested and all of them had spouses who also got ill. In every case the Quest antibody test showed one spouse as positive and the other as negative even though they were both sick with the same illness at the same time.

So she was talking to SAHD about the antibody tests and how inaccurate they seemed to be (actually they called her about them) and she told them about my case (testing positive through the convalescent plasma study but negative with Quest). SAHD actually looked into it surprisingly and it turns out my initial antibody test with STBTC was actually done by http://www.xbiotech.com/ which they said is a far more sensitive and accurate test so we should believe that test and disregard the Quest one. Basically the commercial companies have just thrown together quick unproven antibody tests because there's money to be made. She also had that confirmed by an infectious disease doc who told her the same thing. He said he'll let her know when there's a worthwhile antibody test commercially available but until then there's really no reason to use them.

Seems to jibe with what I have read somewhere, i.e. the antibody tests are worthless.

[tholdren]

And even though you didn't test positive you had a symptom. You get counted as positive!!! Spike!!!

Didn't you say there was 1 bed left in america?

[RandomGuy]

Available hospital beds yesterday 1572 in San Antonio

Confirmed covid patients in texas hospitals yesterday 2166

Link to either stat?

The most recent utilization report I could find listed for 2016 showed 5396 total beds for Bexar county, with 64.5% occupied. 1917 beds four years ago, likely before a few were scaled back due to closures or consolidations, or even just more utilization for existing due to population growth.
https://www.dshs.state.tx.us/chs/hosp/Utilization16.xls (line 60, H60 *O60)

Those 1917 beds include ALL beds of every kind, i.e. maternity etc, and is probably a bit lower in 2020. You can't really count a maternity ward bed as being "available" for a covid patient who needs a respirator, so you are probably looking at a pretty narrow slice of beds in the total that actually could be used appropriately. I doubt the "adult day-care" beds help either.

FWIW: here is the non-comprehensive list of bed types included in that total:
1. General medical-surgical care ......................(#Beds: )
2. Pediatric medical-surgical care .....................(#Beds: )
3. Obstetrics [Level of unit (1-3): ( )] ........(#Beds: )
4. Medical surgical intensive care .....................(#Beds: )
5. Cardiac intensive care .................................(#Beds: )
6. Neonatal intensive care ...............................(#Beds: )
7. Neonatal intermediate care ..........................(#Beds: )
8. Pediatric intensive care ...............................(#Beds: )
9. Burn care .................................................( #Beds: )
10. Other special care (specify: )(#Beds: )
11. Other intensive care (specify: ..........(#Beds: )
12. Physical rehabilitation .................................(#Beds: )
13. Alcoholism-drug abuse or dependency care ....(#Beds: )
14. Psychiatric care .........................................(#Beds: )
15. Skilled nursing care ....................................(#Beds: )
16. Intermediate nursing care ............................(#Beds: )
17. Acute long-term care ..................................(#Beds: )
18. Other long- term care ................................(#Beds: )
19. Other care (specify: ) ............... .(#Beds: ( )
20. Adult day care program ................................................
21. Airborne infection isolation room (# rooms ) ..........
22. Alcoholism-drug abuse or dependency outpatient services .................................................. .........................
23. Alzheimer center............................................ ..............
24. Ambulance services.......................................... ............
25. Ambulatory surgery center ............................................
26. Arthritis treatment center .............................................
27. Assisted living .................................................. ...........
28. Auxiliary .................................................. ...................
29. Bariatric/weight control services ....................................
30. Birthing room/LDR room/LDRP room ..............................
31. Blood donor center .................................................. .....
32. Breast cancer screening/mammograms ..........................
33. Cardiology and cardiac surgery services
a. Adult cardiology services ..........................................
b. Pediatric cardiology services ......................................
c. Adult diagnostic catheterization .................................
d. Pediatric diagnostic catheterization ............................
e. Adult interventional cardiac catheterization .................
f. Pediatric interventional cardiac catheterization .............
g. Adult cardiac surgery ...............................................
h. Pediatric cardiac surgery ...........................................
i. Adult cardiac electrophysiology ...................................
j. Pediatric cardiac electrophysiology ..............................
k. Cardiac rehabilitation ...............................................
34. Case management .................................................. .....
35. Chaplaincy/pastoral care services ..................................
36. Chemotherapy .................................................. ...........
37. Children’s wellness program ..........................................
38. Chiropractic services .................................................. ..
39. Community outreach .................................................. ..
40. Complementary and alternative medicine services ...........
41. Computer assisted orthopedic surgery (CAOS) ...............
42. Crisis prevention .................................................. ........
43. Dental services .................................................. ..........
44. Emergency services
a. Emergency department ..............................................
b. Pediatric emergency department ................................
c. Satellite emergency department ..................................
e. Trauma center (certified) [Level of unit (1-4): ] .................................................. ......................
45. Enabling services .................................................. .......
46. Endoscopic services
a. Optical colonoscopy ..................................................
b Endoscopic ultrasound ...............................................
c. Ablation of Barrett’s esophagus .................................
e. Endoscopic retrograde cholangiopancreatography (ERCP) .................................................. ...............................
47. Enrollment (insurance) assistance services .....................
48. Extracorporeal shock wave lithotripter (ESWL) ...........
49. Fertility clinic .................................................. ......
50. Fitness center .................................................. .....
51. Freestanding outpatient care center .........................
52. Geriatric services ..................................................
53. Health fair .................................................. ..........
54. Community health education ...................................
55. Genetic testing/counseling ......................................
56. Health screenings ..................................................
57. Health research.......................................... ...........
58. Hemodialysis… .................................................. .....
59. HIV/AIDS services ..................................................
60. Home health services ..............................................
61. Hospice program .................................................. ..
62. Hospital-based outpatient care center services ...........
63. Immunization program ............................................
64. Indigent care clinic .................................................
65. Linguistic/translation services..................................
66. Meals on wheels .................................................. ...
67. Mobile health services .............................................
68. Neurological services ..............................................
69. Nutrition program .................................................. .
70. Occupational health services ....................................
71. Oncology services.......................................... .........
72. Orthopedic services ................................................
73. Outpatient surgery .................................................
74. Pain management program ......................................
75. Palliative care program........................................... .
76. Palliative care inpatient unit .....................................
77. Patient controlled analgesia (PCA) ............................
78. Patient education center ..........................................
79. Patient representative services .................................
80. Physical rehabilitation services
a. Assistive technology center ........................................
b. Electrodiagnostic services ..........................................
c. Physical rehabilitation outpatient services .....................
d. Prosthetic and orthotic services ..................................
e. Robot-assisted walking therapy ..................................
f. Simulated rehabilitation environment ...........................
81. Primary care department…………………………………..
82. Psychiatric services:
a. Psychiatric child-adolescent services ........................
b. Psychiatric consultation-liaison services ....................
c. Psychiatric education services .................................
d. Psychiatric emergency services ...............................
e. Psychiatric geriatric services ...................................
f. Psychiatric outpatient services .................................
g. Psychiatric partial hospitalization program ................
h. Psychiatric residential treatment…………………………
83. Radiology, diagnostic:
a. CT scanner .................................................. ..............
b. Diagnostic radioisotope facility......................................
c. Electron beam computed tomography (EBCT) .................
d. Full-field digital mammography (FFDM) .........................
e. Magnetic resonance imaging (MRI)................................
f. Intraoperative magnetic resonance imaging ....................
g. Magnetoencephalography (MEG) ...................................
h. Multi-slice spiral computed tomography (<64+ slice CT) .................................................. ..................
i. Multi-slice spiral computed tomography (64+ slice CT) .................................................. ..........................
j. Positron emission tomography (PET) ..............................
k. Positron emission tomography/CT (PET/CT) ...................
l. Single photon emission computerized tomography SPECT) .................................................. ...
m. Ultrasound .................................................. ..............
84. Radiology, therapeutic
a. Image-guided radiation therapy (IGRT) ............................
b. Intensity-modulated radiation therapy (IMRT) ...................
c. Proton beam therapy .................................................. ...
d. Shaped beam radiation system .......................................
e. Stereotactic radiosurgery ...............................................
85. Retirement housing .................................................. .......
86. Robotic surgery .................................................. ............
87. Rural health clinic .................................................. .........
88. Sleep center .................................................. .................
89. Social work services .................................................. ......
90. Sports medicine .................................................. ...........
91. Support groups .................................................. ............
92. Swing bed services .................................................. .......
93. Teen outreach services ................................................
Remainder here at the data call definition sheet (PDF):
https://dshs.texas.gov/chs/hosp/Forms/AHA16.pdf

So unless you have some specific data on which beds might be useful, talking about total beds is kind of fucktarded. My guess is that the news source showing a small number of beds probably has that specific data.




:lmao If that is your figure, you think that "sports medicine" beds are going to save people who need ICU beds and ventilators? :rollin maybe Full-field digital mammography beds?

Do tell. How many of your total are actually going to be useful here. Bullshit has been called.

[RandomGuy]

Lol you.




Lol "gossip"

Now I understand why so many people have you on ignore. You're an idiot.

Eyup. Almost incoherent at this point. Dude is spluttering incomplete phrases like they mean anything or prove anything.

[tholdren]

Link to either stat?

Where I've told you every week you ask

https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/3f048ced32804271aafe8b9640bcb4a7

Odd you think you're intelligent enough to do simple math but can't find data to do so. Oh yeah you just copy and paste media headlines. Hilarious

[tholdren]

Eyup. Almost incoherent at this point. Dude is spluttering incomplete phrases like they mean anything or prove anything.
You have no understanding of math. Bwahahaahhahahah 1 bed. Lolololol

[RandomGuy]

Where I've told you every week you ask

https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/3f048ced32804271aafe8b9640bcb4a7

Odd you think you're intelligent enough to do simple math but can't find data to do so. Oh yeah you just copy and paste media headlines. Hilarious

That is the first time you have linked it after having been asked. Not my burden of proof to verify your assertions.

So we are getting somewhere.

Now use your words:


Available hospital beds yesterday 1572 in San Antonio

Confirmed covid patients in texas hospitals yesterday 2166

So what? Connect the dots geenyus.

[tholdren]

That is the first time you have linked it after having been asked. Not my burden of proof to verify your assertions.

So we are getting somewhere.

Now use your words:



So what? Connect the dots geenyus.

Lolololol you said there were not enough beds. First in nyc now in texas. Hilarious.

All because you gossip and can't do math. That's about it.

Now read up on the cdc report and tell me how its not 2x flu.


Lololololol

[SnakeBoy]

Do you know if the antibody testing done by New York and LA County were using the more accurate test you got? Or the horseshit cash grabs? I just ask since those showed ~20-25% estimated infection rate in NYC and ~5% infection rate in LA County about a month and a half or so ago if I remember right. Wondering if those numbers should be considered worth anything or if it's more accurate to say we have never had a fucking clue how much this has spread anywhere in the US. If those NYC numbers were correct I think they led to an estimate of around 0.4% to 0.5% fatality rate from people who get it which is a hell of a lot better than the early days when only Korea was testing much and the fatality rate looked more like 0.7% to 1.0%.

As far as I know none of those tests are independently validated and approved. The cash grab is being done under FDA emergency use authorization. If you look at the comapny that did my test they are not in the testing business, they're in the antibody business. I'm guessing their testing is not practical for wide scale commercial use. Probably expensive and it took like 10 days to get results.

Annoying thing was I didn't know any of this when I went and got the Quest test until I got the results and saw the legal disclaimer under my results...

This test has not been reviewed by the FDA. Negative

results do not rule out SARS-CoV-2 infection particularly

in those who have been in contact with the virus.

Follow-up testing with a molecular diagnostic should be

considered to rule out infection in these individuals.

Results from antibody testing should not be used as the

sole basis to diagnose or exclude SARS-CoV-2 infection

or to inform infection status. Positive results could

also be due to past or present infection with

non-SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus strains, such as coronavirus

HKU1, NL63, OC43, or 229E. This test is not to be used

for the screening of donated blood.

[RandomGuy]

Lolololol you said there were not enough beds. First in nyc now in texas. Hilarious.

All because you gossip and can't do math. That's about it.

Now read up on the cdc report and tell me how its not 2x flu.


Lololololol

Not really connecting the dots either. I didn't say "there weren't enough beds", those are your words not mine, sorry. If they were my words, you could post a quote.

So we have, as far as I can figure out from your semi-coherent spluttering:


Available hospital beds yesterday 1572 in San Antonio

Confirmed covid patients in texas hospitals yesterday 2166

The implied statement: We have more than enough beds, because the number of available total hospital beds of all kinds in San Antonio is roughly on par with the total covid patients in all of Texas yesterday.

To which I would ask, yet again:

How many of those total hospital beds of all kinds would actually be useful?
(edit)
https://dshs.texas.gov/chs/hosp/Forms/AHA16.pdf Data collection methodology counts "beds" as well over a hundred different kinds of slots in all hospitals.(end edit)

Maternity beds being the easiest example of the kind of bed that won't help a COVID patient, neither would a psych bed.

You don't know the answer to that either, otherwise you would post it.

So in the end, your implication is either inaccurate, or actively misleading and dishonest.

Did I miss something?

[SnakeBoy]

if it's more accurate to say we have never had a fucking clue how much this has spread anywhere in the US.

That's probably the most accurate thing to say. Personally I think it is more widespread than we think just because of my own case but putting a number on it would be nothing more than a guess.

[RandomGuy]

https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/3f048ced32804271aafe8b9640bcb4a7

So here we have something approaching a clue.

Available ICU Beds
1,626
Available Ventilators
5,626

ICU beds statewide being a much more directly applicable figure. Total hospitialized due to COVID exceeds that. Likely all patients don't need it, but we do appear to be bumping up against capacity restraints.

2326 currently in hospitals indeed, versus 1626 available ICU beds. Doubt every COVID patient needs an ICU slot, and respirators can make beds into appropriate care beds, assuming they can be staffed appropriately, which is not in evidence.

Just to get a back of the envelope calc:

2326 people
5626 respirators avail.

2326/7952=29% capacity.

Assuming all hospitalizations require ventilators, all ventilators can be staffed appropriately, and number of patients+number of ventilators comprise a rough baseline for capacity.

Seems like we are ok for now in terms of not straining capacity. Good.

[RandomGuy]

Wondering if those numbers should be considered worth anything or if it's more accurate to say we have never had a fucking clue how much this has spread anywhere in the US.

Best guess as to fatality rates can get a good clue. .0025-.0066 is the total population average fatality rate, best guess.

meaning if you know the number of deaths, you can know the total number of people who would have to have had the disease to produce that number of deaths. i.e. deaths divided by .0045 or so will get you that figure.

You can compare that with the total number of confirmed cases through testing. We are catching about one in four to one in seven cases through testing by this metric. This will tell you how many have, and have HAD the disease, so that always includes recoveries.

[RandomGuy]

That's probably the most accurate thing to say. Personally I think it is more widespread than we think just because of my own case but putting a number on it would be nothing more than a guess.

See above. I can probably dig up the studies for the total fatality rates again, if needed. Data is kinda thin but close enough to get started.

I will say it is certainly more widespread, the only question is how much. If the death rate is fairly accurate, then about 4 to 7 times more widespread.

[Blake]

"Texas health authorities said there were 2,287 patients sickened with Covid-19 across its hospitals on Sunday, the sixth new high for coronavirus hospitalizations in the state in less than a week.

The new total is up from 2,242 patients on Saturday, according to updated data from the Texas Department of State Health Services. In the past week, Wednesday was the only day that Texas didn't set a new record for hospitalizations."

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/15/texas-reports-record-breaking-coronavirus-hospitalizations.html

[ChumpDumper]

"Texas health authorities said there were 2,287 patients sickened with Covid-19 across its hospitals on Sunday, the sixth new high for coronavirus hospitalizations in the state in less than a week.

The new total is up from 2,242 patients on Saturday, according to updated data from the Texas Department of State Health Services. In the past week, Wednesday was the only day that Texas didn't set a new record for hospitalizations."

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/15/texas-reports-record-breaking-coronavirus-hospitalizations.htmlbacklogs of patients

fake patients

fake numbers

it's the flu

math

science

I told you lololololololololol

[pgardn]

Our dear governor, Gregg Abbott, has learned that not listening to institutional knowledge can be as lucrative as a tree falling on your legs and suing the owner of the property.

https://www.tpr.org/post/texas-295-million-contact-tracing-deal-raises-bipartisan-eyebrows

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/investigations/article/Report-Head-of-295M-contract-falsified-degree-15304385.php


https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/texas/article/Mistakenly-uploaded-documents-add-to-15321098.php

This idiot awards a contract to a private company because he has got rid of so much apolitical institutional knowledge within his own health department. Perfectly inline with Trump. Hire bad managers, get awful spur of the moment inept private companies.

295 million dollar contract to a company that has not a clue what its doing and the head has faked a PHD.
Yeah Texas, hope it all works out.

chaos in leadership
every man for himself attitude

[DarrinS]

"Texas health authorities said there were 2,287 patients sickened with Covid-19 across its hospitals on Sunday, the sixth new high for coronavirus hospitalizations in the state in less than a week.

The new total is up from 2,242 patients on Saturday, according to updated data from the Texas Department of State Health Services. In the past week, Wednesday was the only day that Texas didn't set a new record for hospitalizations."

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/15/texas-reports-record-breaking-coronavirus-hospitalizations.html


Protest wave has arrived

[tholdren]

https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/3f048ced32804271aafe8b9640bcb4a7

So here we have something approaching a clue.

Available ICU Beds
1,626
Available Ventilators
5,626

ICU beds statewide being a much more directly applicable figure. Total hospitialized due to COVID exceeds that. Likely all patients don't need it, but we do appear to be bumping up against capacity restraints.

2326 currently in hospitals indeed, versus 1626 available ICU beds. Doubt every COVID patient needs an ICU slot, and respirators can make beds into appropriate care beds, assuming they can be staffed appropriately, which is not in evidence.

Just to get a back of the envelope calc:

2326 people
5626 respirators avail.

2326/7952=29% capacity.

Assuming all hospitalizations require ventilators, all ventilators can be staffed appropriately, and number of patients+number of ventilators comprise a rough baseline for capacity.

Seems like we are ok for now in terms of not straining capacity. Good.

Beep beep beep. Backing up the truck. Lol quick list the beds. Lol youre math. Bwahahahahhahahahah

[ChumpDumper]

Protest wave has arrivedMeh, we're still not keeping track.

[SnakeBoy]

Pretty much. And the hard right doesn't help matters with their countless conspiracy theories and BS. They interviewed a nurse in NYC and he said he could not believe that he was actually having to explain to dying people that they were actually very sick and needed treatment. He said they heard on Fox news the virus is a hoax and still believed that even as they were rapidly deteriorating.

Sounds legit

https://media.giphy.com/media/3oz8xsPgyFyFXRJR1C/giphy.gif

[tholdren]

Best guess as to fatality rates can get a good clue. .0025-.0066 is the total population average fatality rate, best guess.

meaning if you know the number of deaths, you can know the total number of people who would have to have had the disease to produce that number of deaths. i.e. deaths divided by .0045 or so will get you that figure.

You can compare that with the total number of confirmed cases through testing. We are catching about one in four to one in seven cases through testing by this metric. This will tell you how many have, and have HAD the disease, so that always includes recoveries.
Let's start with i was right. Next let's stop with the bs. Your ignorance on testing and case counting is continuing to show. They are not missing counts when they are adding probables as deaths.

Keep flip flopping these facts you are only.now entertaining have been known for months.

[DarrinS]

Meh, we're still not keeping track.

You couldn't responded similarly here, but didn't.

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=284138&p=10172114&viewfull=1#post10172114

[SnakeBoy]

it's the flu

Technically it's a cold tbh

[ChumpDumper]

You couldn't responded similarly here, but didn't.

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=284138&p=10172114&viewfull=1#post10172114I could've responded that way for any case in Texas from the start, but didn't.

Sorry, Darrin. I'll be more vigilant for you from now on.

[tholdren]

backlogs of patients

fake patients

fake numbers

it's the flu

math

science

I told you lololololololololol

That number means nothing to disprove me at all. Its a cumulative number of people in the hospital with covid.

Its not the number of people who have cov8d so bad they have to be hospitalized .

How bad at math are you?

[ChumpDumper]

ThatBlah blah blah. You're never right.

[tholdren]

Technically it's a cold tbh

Technically its less than flu for under 50 per cdc. Flu much more dangerous to everyone. Lockdown is what put all healthy persons in danger. Fact

[ChumpDumper]

[QUOTE=tholdren;10172519]Technically/QUOTE]You called it the flu. Wrong. Fact.

[tholdren]

Blah blah blah. You're never right.

Glad I could help you use logic instead of whatever it is you were doing. Omg 2k people are in the hospital!!!! IN THE STATE.. that have tested positive at sometime in their life for covid.

How long will it take for you to understand the data?

[ChumpDumper]

Glad Glad you admit you were wrong right off the bat. You kept lying about it for months.:tu

[tholdren]

Bring in the ships. These hospitals are overflowing!!!! Just like ny!!!!!!

[Blake]

Protest wave has arrived

You're not serious. Nobody takes you serious.

[RandomGuy]

Let's start with i was right. Next let's stop with the bs. Your ignorance on testing and case counting is continuing to show. They are not missing counts when they are adding probables as deaths.

Keep flip flopping these facts you are only.now entertaining have been known for months.

We are seeing a massive spike in excess deaths above the expected rate of .0088 for the year, based on the four months of data from the CDC for Feb-May.
(edit) link to relevant dataset: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm (end edit)

If you are saying COVID is overcounted, find a better figure. Then propose a theory that explains the surge in deaths that are not COVID. The spike is statistically significant for that 4 month period, especially since it is the beginning of the year. The trend is an increase by the END of the year, and my assumptions were based on that END of the year estimate, for something that starts below that figure and builds during the year.

Based on what we know about the overall population fatality rate, the math checks. Walked through it with our companies actuaries.

Unless you can find a better rate. .0066-.0025 is the range I remember from the studies I read.

Do you have a better rate? Link?

Bullshit has been called:
You need:
A better COVID death tally than the CDC data set. If what I am using is incorrect, get something better.
Better overall mortality rate than what I am using. If what I am using is incorrect, get something better.
A working theory that explains the statistically significant spike in total deaths in excess of what was forecast for the year.

Links to support.

or.. you can :jack some more. I expect :jack.

[RandomGuy]

...

[RandomGuy]

Lol youre math. Bwahahahahhahahahah

LOL youre grammer.

I am math, indeed.

[RandomGuy]

Technically it's a cold tbh

Indeed.

Not all colds are equal tho.

[tholdren]

Indeed.

Not all colds are equal tho.

And statistically covid is 2x flu and less than flu for under 50. Thanks again for making that point!

[tholdren]

backlogs of patients

fake patients

fake numbers

it's the flu

math

science

I told you lololololololololol

The same fear you have about media headlines for Texas is happening in AZ and FL. Here is what doctors say.

The numbers look alarming as new COVID-19 cases spike in Central Florida.

Across hospitals in Brevard, Flagler, Lake, Marion, Orange, Osceola, Seminole, Sumter and Volusia Counties, only 24 percent of beds are open, overall, and 28 percent are free in the intensive care units.

According to Orlando Health's Chief Medical Officer Dr. George Ralls, that is normal.

“We're seeing the volumes come back to where we typically see them. It's not COVID patients creating any kind of capacity constraints. We're seeing heart disease, lung disease. All of these things we're typically used to seeing,” he said

[RandomGuy]

And statistically covid is 2x flu and less than flu for under 50. Thanks again for making that point!

You haven't produced a shred of evidence to support that, and the data you did produce contradicted it.

Shit you are worse than Cosmored. Either produce data supporting this right now, or I am putting you on ignore as well. Data or :jack

[RandomGuy]

We are seeing a massive spike in excess deaths above the expected rate of .0088 for the year, based on the four months of data from the CDC for Feb-May.
(edit) link to relevant dataset: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm (end edit)

If you are saying COVID is overcounted, find a better figure. Then propose a theory that explains the surge in deaths that are not COVID. The spike is statistically significant for that 4 month period, especially since it is the beginning of the year. The trend is an increase by the END of the year, and my assumptions were based on that END of the year estimate, for something that starts below that figure and builds during the year.

Based on what we know about the overall population fatality rate, the math checks. Walked through it with our companies actuaries.

Unless you can find a better rate. .0066-.0025 is the range I remember from the studies I read.

Do you have a better rate? Link?

Bullshit has been called:
You need:
A better COVID death tally than the CDC data set. If what I am using is incorrect, get something better.
Better overall mortality rate than what I am using. If what I am using is incorrect, get something better.
A working theory that explains the statistically significant spike in total deaths in excess of what was forecast for the year.

Links to support.

or.. you can :jack some more. I expect :jack.


[crickets]

I got what I expected. A less salty and lazier version of koriwhat.

[tholdren]

You haven't produced a shred of evidence to support that, and the data you did produce contradicted it.

Shit you are worse than Cosmored. Either produce data supporting this right now, or I am putting you on ignore as well. Data or :jack

the cdc states ifr .26 lol

Twice the flu. And this includes probable deaths.

Like i said for months you do not understand the data. Simple math

[DarrinS]

Galveston county is the only county in Texas where covid patients exceeded 10% of hospital bed capacity.

Average across the state is 6.3%

[Blake]

Galveston county is the only county in Texas where covid patients exceeded 10% of hospital bed capacity.

Average across the state is 6.3%

Trending up. It's not difficult.

[Blake]

"The number of people sickened with Covid-19 across Texas' hospitals continues to rise, with coronavirus hospitalizations now up more than 66% since Memorial Day as the state continues to reopen.

There are currently 2,518 patients hospitalized with a coronavirus infection, marking the seventh new high in the state in a little over a week, according to updated data from the Texas Department of State Health Services. That's also up roughly 66% since Memorial Day when there were 1,511 hospitalized Covid-19 patients, state data shows....."

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/16/texas-coronavirus-hospitalizations-hit-new-high-up-66percent-since-memorial-day.html

[ChumpDumper]

"The number of people sickened with Covid-19 across Texas' hospitals continues to rise, with coronavirus hospitalizations now up more than 66% since Memorial Day as the state continues to reopen.

There are currently 2,518 patients hospitalized with a coronavirus infection, marking the seventh new high in the state in a little over a week, according to updated data from the Texas Department of State Health Services. That's also up roughly 66% since Memorial Day when there were 1,511 hospitalized Covid-19 patients, state data shows....."

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/16/texas-coronavirus-hospitalizations-hit-new-high-up-66percent-since-memorial-day.htmlObviously that means hospitalizations are going quickly down to zero.

[RandomGuy]

the cdc states ifr .26 lol

Twice the flu. And this includes probable deaths.

Like i said for months you do not understand the data. Simple math

... and that isn't a link, just restating your assertion.

with that, I'm adding you to ignore as well. Now fuck off to whatever conspiracy website you crawled out from.

[DarrinS]

Trending up. It's not difficult.

Our hospitals are not going to be overwhelmed. It's not difficult.

[Blake]

Our hospitals are not going to be overwhelmed. It's not difficult.

Well yeah, Abbott will cave before that happens. Too bad it's a topic right now. Too bad people are going to the hospital at all because of covid. Doesn't have to be this way.

[boutons_deux]

TX shitbag Patrick threatening criminal prosecution of any officials who give out mail-in ballots to unqualified voters.

Fear of voting in a vicious pandemic is not, for voter-suppressing racist shitbag Patrick, sufficient grounds for obtaining a mail-in ballot

[boutons_deux]

COVID-19 Updates: Texas mayors pressed shitbag Gov. Abbott to mandate face masks


https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/COVID-19-Updates-Texas-mayors-to-Abbott-Let-us-15344806.php?utm_campaign=mysa_breakingnews_202006 16&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email

[TimDunkem]

Over 430+ new cases in SA today. Hospitalizations, ICU visits, and ventilator usage for Covid patients has doubled in the past two weeks.

[TimDunkem]

Proportion of positives in tests has increased from 4.5% to 9.3% over the past week. More than 60% of cases are in people between 20-49 years old.

[DarrinS]

Proportion of positives in tests has increased from 4.5% to 9.3% over the past week. More than 60% of cases are in people between 20-49 years old.

A bunch from prisons. Their positive rate is really high, even though most are asymptomatic.

[TimDunkem]

A bunch from prisons. Their positive rate is really high, even though most are asymptomatic.
BS. We're talking about San Antonio not the positive case backlogs from Anderson and Brazoria. Almost all new cases in SA are from the community outside of elder care centers and the jail. Try to keep up.

[DarrinS]

BS. We're talking about San Antonio not the positive case backlogs from Anderson and Brazoria. Almost all new cases in SA are from the community outside of elder care centers and the jail. Try to keep up.

Sorry. You didn't explicitly say SA in your post.

[tholdren]

BS. We're talking about San Antonio not the positive case backlogs from Anderson and Brazoria. Almost all new cases in SA are from the community outside of elder care centers and the jail. Try to keep up.
Lol you were crying because you had the covids.

[TimDunkem]

Sorry. You didn't explicitly say SA in your post.
Read the post above. Clearly I was still talking about SA.

[TimDunkem]

Oh and


This message is hidden because tholdren is on your ignore list.

[baseline bum]

Our hospitals are not going to be overwhelmed. It's not difficult.

We have like 100 ventilators in the city :lol

[baseline bum]

Proportion of positives in tests has increased from 4.5% to 9.3% over the past week. More than 60% of cases are in people between 20-49 years old.

So now 33/57 HEB in the SA/New Braunfels area have a COVID positive worker, though they won't say how many workers total. And that's really more of a snapshot of where the virus was ~10 days ago vs where it is now. Looks like we're primed for that really nasty early exponential phase that raped New York, Detroit, and New Orleans.

[DarrinS]

We have like 100 ventilators in the city :lol

I doubt we'll need them. When someone does one one, there's a freed up ventilator.

[TimDunkem]

Sorry. You didn't explicitly say SA in your post.
Also I'm pretty sure if you subtract the prison backlogs today you'll still come to a record number of infections in one day today in TX. Percentages of infections are going up quick while testing is only marginally ticking up so it is not due to increased testing.

[DarrinS]

So now 33/57 HEB in the SA/New Braunfels area have a COVID positive worker, though they won't say how many workers total. And that's really more of a snapshot of where the virus was ~10 days ago vs where it is now. Looks like we're primed for that really nasty early exponential phase that raped New York, Detroit, and New Orleans.

Cumulative.

[TimDunkem]

So now 33/57 HEB in the SA/New Braunfels area have a COVID positive worker, though they won't say how many workers total. And that's really more of a snapshot of where the virus was ~10 days ago vs where it is now. Looks like we're primed for that really nasty early exponential phase that raped New York, Detroit, and New Orleans.
And HEB stopped requiring masks. :lol

[baseline bum]

I doubt we'll need them. When someone does one one, there's a freed up ventilator.

And when someone doesn't die on when they can be on them for 2-3 weeks. We're talking a city of 1.5 million and they were already at ~20% usage before any of the spikes started.

[TimDunkem]

I doubt we'll need them. When someone does one one, there's a freed up ventilator.
We're at 41 right now as the infection rate is doubling.

[baseline bum]

Starting to look like Osterholm may have been right in March saying don't expect the heat to slow SARSCov-2 down too much.

[TimDunkem]

And we haven't even seen the protest spike. :lol Darrin will suddenly begin to care (again) in about a week or two.

[baseline bum]

We're at 41 right now as the infection rate is doubling.

Fuck, already? Is that what they said in the 6:10 press conference?

[baseline bum]

And we haven't even seen the protest spike. :lol Darrin will suddenly begin to care (again) in about a week or two.

You don't think this is the protest spike already? Probably a combination of protest + bars opened since people in their 20s are making up such a large amount of the new cases.

[TimDunkem]

You don't think this is the protest spike already? Probably a combination of protest + bars opened since people in their 20s are making up such a large amount of the new cases.
Dawn Emerick of Metro Health specifically discussed the bar and protest issue saying the tracing isn't producing that data. She suspects we'll see those effects in about 5 days at the earliest. Also, yes to the question about vents.

[DarrinS]

And HEB stopped requiring masks. :lol

Not employees

[TimDunkem]

Not employees
Okay? That doesn't make the news any better. :lol

[baseline bum]

And HEB stopped requiring masks. :lol

Fucking Trump turning masks into a political issue and our cripple governor has to follow suit.

[TimDunkem]

Fucking Trump turning masks into a political issue and our cripple governor has to follow suit.
Overall, the Metro Health Director said this current spike can be attributed to reopening, people relaxing, and - yep - not wearing masks.

It isn't helping that a sizable amount of positive people aren't returning the contract tracers calls. So much for Texans doing the right thing.

[weebo]

Called it.


But y'all ain't seen nuffin yet...

call gramma and tell her you love her.

[baseline bum]

Called it.


But y'all ain't seen nuffin yet...

call gramma and tell her you love her.

~60 fucking ventilators left for a city 1.5 million... fucking great.

[weebo]

~60 fucking ventilators left for a city 1.5 million... fucking great.

Don't believe everything that's being reported...it doesn't match what's really happening on the ground. A lot of these hospitals are about to reach max cap...and I don't mean just the ICU...gen med and telemetry...pretty soon they're going to have to start sending people away to die at home.

[baseline bum]

Don't believe everything that's being reported...it doesn't match what's really happening on the ground. A lot of these hospitals are about to reach max cap...and I don't mean just the ICU...gen med and telemetry...pretty soon they're going to have to start sending people away to die at home.

I forgot, are you in the San Antonio area or are you up around Dallas? Either way though, shit sandwich incoming. :lol

[weebo]

I forgot, are you in the San Antonio area or are you up around Dallas? Either way though, shit sandwich incoming. :lol

I cover parts of Central/South Texas. Younger and healthier people (<60 y/o) are having better outcomes than previously reported but the elderly and those with comorbidities aren't doing so well. Typically, healthy individuals are taking between 10-60 days (~12 days) to fully recover --that's with and without supplemental O2.

[Trainwreck2100]

one good thing about the race riots pushing covid to the back burner is that Texas doesn't seem to care enough to lie about it anymore

[baseline bum]

one good thing about the race riots pushing covid to the back burner is that Texas doesn't seem to care enough to lie about it anymore

:lol

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/TexasTribune/status/1273041929429815296?s=19

:wow

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/TexasTribune/status/1273041929429815296?s=19

:wowtholdren says hospitalizations are going down to zero.

[ChumpDumper]

https://i.imgur.com/hEcbZeX.jpg

[Blake]

So now 33/57 HEB in the SA/New Braunfels area have a COVID positive worker, though they won't say how many workers total. And that's really more of a snapshot of where the virus was ~10 days ago vs where it is now. Looks like we're primed for that really nasty early exponential phase that raped New York, Detroit, and New Orleans.

The thing I think we have going for us compared to NY is the lack of mass transit.

I also think Mardi gras is what got New Orleans bad.

[Blake]

https://i.imgur.com/hEcbZeX.jpg

$$ > old people

[Blake]

Don't believe everything that's being reported...it doesn't match what's really happening on the ground. A lot of these hospitals are about to reach max cap...and I don't mean just the ICU...gen med and telemetry...pretty soon they're going to have to start sending people away to die at home.

Yeah but that's not what Dr Darrin says

[Blake]

Not employees

Sucks for those poor cashiers

[baseline bum]

https://twitter.com/TexasTribune/status/1273041929429815296?s=19

:wow

'Bout getting ready to swim the river to safety man, Viva AMLO.

[Spurtacular]

https://i.imgur.com/hEcbZeX.jpg

CherpDook sad that the economic destruction being mitigated. This isn't good for Zombie Rapist.

[ChumpDumper]

CherpDook sad that the economic destruction being mitigated. This isn't good for Zombie Rapist.:lol worthless chime-in. Try reading the thread before flicking your bean.

[Blake]

https://twitter.com/TexasTribune/status/1273041929429815296?s=19

:wow

:cry IT'S OKAY WE KNEW THIS WOULD HAPPEN WE CALLED IT. PHASE 23 TO REOPEN UP NEXT :cry

[Spurtacular]

:lol worthless chime-in. Try reading the thread before flicking your bean.

That's some serious lashing out.

[ChumpDumper]

That's some serious lashing out.:lol I used your own words.

Are you drunk?

[vy65]

:lol worthless chime-in. Try reading the thread before flicking your bean.

:lmao

[DarrinS]

Don't believe everything that's being reported...it doesn't match what's really happening on the ground. A lot of these hospitals are about to reach max cap...and I don't mean just the ICU...gen med and telemetry...pretty soon they're going to have to start sending people away to die at home.

This doesn't comport with what I've heard. Are you in SA?

[tholdren]

tholdren says hospitalizations are going down to zero.
Total hospitalizations!!!! Oh no!!!!! Run!!!!

[ChumpDumper]

Total hospitalizations!!!! Oh no!!!!! Run!!!!So they are going up?

I guess you were lying earlier.

OK.

[DarrinS]

This doesn't comport with what I've heard. Are you in SA?

I know someone at Methodist, and they aren't near capacity.

weebo?

[Blake]

This doesn't comport with what I've heard. Are you in SA?

Lol "what I've heard".

At the bar?

[DarrinS]

I know someone at Methodist, and they aren't near capacity.

weebo?


Lol "what I've heard".

At the bar?


Yep

[Blake]

Yep

:lmao of course

[DarrinS]

:lmao of course

Someone I've known over a decade.

[tholdren]

So they are going up?

I guess you were lying earlier.

OK.
Hospital census has been on decline for weeks.
I've already explained to you they can keep this going forever.

[Blake]

Someone I've known over a decade.

Neat

[DarrinS]

Neat

Your contribution is .

[tholdren]

Also gov just said today last 2 weeks tests include all nursing homes and prisons. Not pandemic policy data. Fear tactic only.

[ChumpDumper]

Hospital census has been on decline for weeks.
I've already explained to you they can keep this going forever.:lol "they"

[ChumpDumper]

Also gov just said today last 2 weeks tests include all nursing homes and prisons. Not pandemic policy data. Fear tactic only.Why should they be excluded?

[TimDunkem]

Why should they be excluded?
Doesn't apply to SA anyway. Just about all the cases lately have been in the community outside of nursing homes or jails.

[ChumpDumper]

Doesn't apply to SA anyway. Just about all the cases lately have been in the community outside of nursing homes or jails.I know. tholdren never knows what he's talking about so he just makes up more lies.

[Blake]

Your contribution is .

Your anecdote is shit

[DarrinS]

Your anecdote is shit

Neat

[Blake]

Neat

Sure

[tholdren]

Why should they be excluded?
Because congregate living has no bearing on pandemic tracking. Just like probable cases.

Media pushes click bait headlines, you fall for it. They continue to do it. You have absolutely no understanding of the data that is presented. TimDunkem even cried on spurstalk because he had it for a day and thought it was the end.

[RandomGuy]

tholdren says hospitalizations are going down to zero.

Dude can't tell the difference between this "hospital bed":

https://blog.chocchildrens.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/NICU-expansion.jpg
(NICU)



and this "hospital bed":

https://www.scottishintensivecare.org.uk/uploads/2014-03-22-17-34-35-patientinanICUbed2jpg-97449.jpg
(ICU)




and these "hospital beds"
https://www.deangelisdiamond.com/media/1513/ten-broeck-wesley3.jpg
(psychiatric from an actual psych hospital in SA)


Only one of those is going to help someone whose lungs stop functioning, those are the beds you need to count and pay attention to.

[TimDunkem]

Dude can't tell the difference between this "hospital bed":

https://blog.chocchildrens.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/NICU-expansion.jpg
(NICU)



and this "hospital bed":

https://www.scottishintensivecare.org.uk/uploads/2014-03-22-17-34-35-patientinanICUbed2jpg-97449.jpg
(ICU)



and these "hospital beds"
https://www.deangelisdiamond.com/media/1513/ten-broeck-wesley3.jpg
(psychiatric from an actual psych hospital in SA)

He can't be that stupid. He's just an unemployed boomer. Probably disabled or something, and sits home all day trolling this forum. He's going to reply to this and your post with the same out of context numbers then go off on some unrelated, misinformed tangent about something else, repeating what he's been posting ad nauseam in his troll arguments with all the users on his dislike list.

[tholdren]

He can't be that stupid. He's just an unemployed boomer. Probably disabled or something, and sits home all day trolling this forum. He's going to reply to this and your post with the same out of context numbers then go off on some unrelated, misinformed tangent about something else, repeating what he's been posting ad nauseam in his troll arguments with all the users on his dislike list.

TimDunkem thought he had covid.

[TimDunkem]

This message is hidden because tholdren is on your ignore list.

Ahh...sweet bliss.

[ChumpDumper]

Because congregate living has no bearing on pandemic tracking. Just like probable cases.
:lol that's incredibly stupid of you.

[RandomGuy]

Our hospitals are not going to be overwhelmed. It's not difficult.

saving this post too. I hope you are right, but if you are not, I am going to rub your nose in this shitpile.

[RandomGuy]

He can't be that stupid. He's just an unemployed boomer. Probably disabled or something, and sits home all day trolling this forum. He's going to reply to this and your post with the same out of context numbers then go off on some unrelated, misinformed tangent about something else, repeating what he's been posting ad nauseam in his troll arguments with all the users on his dislike list.

He was quite that stupid. He said we had X beds, implying we shoudln't worry, and when I asked him what kind of beds he was talking about, he changd the subject.

He didn't know how the data was compiled, and neither did DarrinS as I am going to point out.

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=284138&page=63&p=10172420&viewfull=1#post10172420

[RandomGuy]

Galveston county is the only county in Texas where covid patients exceeded 10% of hospital bed capacity.

Average across the state is 6.3%


You can't tell the difference between this "hospital bed":

https://blog.chocchildrens.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/NICU-expansion.jpg
(NICU)



and this "hospital bed":

https://www.scottishintensivecare.org.uk/uploads/2014-03-22-17-34-35-patientinanICUbed2jpg-97449.jpg
(ICU)




and these "hospital beds"
https://www.deangelisdiamond.com/media/1513/ten-broeck-wesley3.jpg
(psychiatric from an actual psych hospital in SA)


Only one of those is going to help someone whose lungs stop functioning, those are the beds you need to count and pay attention to.

On what measure of "hospital beds" are you basing this on?

Is your percentage based on ALL beds or all AVAILABLE beds, because "beds" are normally about 64% full most of the time?

[TimDunkem]

He was quite that stupid. He said we had X beds, implying we shoudln't worry, and when I asked him what kind of beds he was talking about, he changd the subject.

He didn't know how the data was compiled, and neither did DarrinS as I am going to point out.

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=284138&page=63&p=10172420&viewfull=1#post10172420
:lol Damn. Honestly though, I don't think he even reads most of what he responds too. Thankfully, the ignore button has allowed me to do the same.

You need to be a special kind of idiot to be the one user who is on just about everyone's ignore list. Not even long time forum knuckle-draggers like ducks or Derp can say that.

[RandomGuy]

Link to either stat?

The most recent utilization report I could find listed for 2016 showed 5396 total beds for Bexar county, with 64.5% occupied. 1917 beds four years ago, likely before a few were scaled back due to closures or consolidations, or even just more utilization for existing due to population growth.
https://www.dshs.state.tx.us/chs/hosp/Utilization16.xls (line 60, H60 *O60)

Those 1917 beds include ALL beds of every kind, i.e. maternity etc, and is probably a bit lower in 2020. You can't really count a maternity ward bed as being "available" for a covid patient who needs a respirator, so you are probably looking at a pretty narrow slice of beds in the total that actually could be used appropriately. I doubt the "adult day-care" beds help either.

FWIW: here is the non-comprehensive list of bed types included in that total:
1. General medical-surgical care ......................(#Beds: )
2. Pediatric medical-surgical care .....................(#Beds: )
3. Obstetrics [Level of unit (1-3): ( )] ........(#Beds: )
4. Medical surgical intensive care .....................(#Beds: )
5. Cardiac intensive care .................................(#Beds: )
6. Neonatal intensive care ...............................(#Beds: )
7. Neonatal intermediate care ..........................(#Beds: )
8. Pediatric intensive care ...............................(#Beds: )
9. Burn care .................................................( #Beds: )
10. Other special care (specify: )(#Beds: )
11. Other intensive care (specify: ..........(#Beds: )
12. Physical rehabilitation .................................(#Beds: )
13. Alcoholism-drug abuse or dependency care ....(#Beds: )
14. Psychiatric care .........................................(#Beds: )
15. Skilled nursing care ....................................(#Beds: )
16. Intermediate nursing care ............................(#Beds: )
17. Acute long-term care ..................................(#Beds: )
18. Other long- term care ................................(#Beds: )
19. Other care (specify: ) ............... .(#Beds: ( )
20. Adult day care program ................................................
21. Airborne infection isolation room (# rooms ) ..........
22. Alcoholism-drug abuse or dependency outpatient services .................................................. .........................
23. Alzheimer center............................................ ..............
24. Ambulance services.......................................... ............
25. Ambulatory surgery center ............................................
26. Arthritis treatment center .............................................
27. Assisted living .................................................. ...........
28. Auxiliary .................................................. ...................
29. Bariatric/weight control services ....................................
30. Birthing room/LDR room/LDRP room ..............................
31. Blood donor center .................................................. .....
32. Breast cancer screening/mammograms ..........................
33. Cardiology and cardiac surgery services
a. Adult cardiology services ..........................................
b. Pediatric cardiology services ......................................
c. Adult diagnostic catheterization .................................
d. Pediatric diagnostic catheterization ............................
e. Adult interventional cardiac catheterization .................
f. Pediatric interventional cardiac catheterization .............
g. Adult cardiac surgery ...............................................
h. Pediatric cardiac surgery ...........................................
i. Adult cardiac electrophysiology ...................................
j. Pediatric cardiac electrophysiology ..............................
k. Cardiac rehabilitation ...............................................
34. Case management .................................................. .....
35. Chaplaincy/pastoral care services ..................................
36. Chemotherapy .................................................. ...........
37. Children’s wellness program ..........................................
38. Chiropractic services .................................................. ..
39. Community outreach .................................................. ..
40. Complementary and alternative medicine services ...........
41. Computer assisted orthopedic surgery (CAOS) ...............
42. Crisis prevention .................................................. ........
43. Dental services .................................................. ..........
44. Emergency services
a. Emergency department ..............................................
b. Pediatric emergency department ................................
c. Satellite emergency department ..................................
e. Trauma center (certified) [Level of unit (1-4): ] .................................................. ......................
45. Enabling services .................................................. .......
46. Endoscopic services
a. Optical colonoscopy ..................................................
b Endoscopic ultrasound ...............................................
c. Ablation of Barrett’s esophagus .................................
e. Endoscopic retrograde cholangiopancreatography (ERCP) .................................................. ...............................
47. Enrollment (insurance) assistance services .....................
48. Extracorporeal shock wave lithotripter (ESWL) ...........
49. Fertility clinic .................................................. ......
50. Fitness center .................................................. .....
51. Freestanding outpatient care center .........................
52. Geriatric services ..................................................
53. Health fair .................................................. ..........
54. Community health education ...................................
55. Genetic testing/counseling ......................................
56. Health screenings ..................................................
57. Health research.......................................... ...........
58. Hemodialysis… .................................................. .....
59. HIV/AIDS services ..................................................
60. Home health services ..............................................
61. Hospice program .................................................. ..
62. Hospital-based outpatient care center services ...........
63. Immunization program ............................................
64. Indigent care clinic .................................................
65. Linguistic/translation services..................................
66. Meals on wheels .................................................. ...
67. Mobile health services .............................................
68. Neurological services ..............................................
69. Nutrition program .................................................. .
70. Occupational health services ....................................
71. Oncology services.......................................... .........
72. Orthopedic services ................................................
73. Outpatient surgery .................................................
74. Pain management program ......................................
75. Palliative care program........................................... .
76. Palliative care inpatient unit .....................................
77. Patient controlled analgesia (PCA) ............................
78. Patient education center ..........................................
79. Patient representative services .................................
80. Physical rehabilitation services
a. Assistive technology center ........................................
b. Electrodiagnostic services ..........................................
c. Physical rehabilitation outpatient services .....................
d. Prosthetic and orthotic services ..................................
e. Robot-assisted walking therapy ..................................
f. Simulated rehabilitation environment ...........................
81. Primary care department…………………………………..
82. Psychiatric services:
a. Psychiatric child-adolescent services ........................
b. Psychiatric consultation-liaison services ....................
c. Psychiatric education services .................................
d. Psychiatric emergency services ...............................
e. Psychiatric geriatric services ...................................
f. Psychiatric outpatient services .................................
g. Psychiatric partial hospitalization program ................
h. Psychiatric residential treatment…………………………
83. Radiology, diagnostic:
a. CT scanner .................................................. ..............
b. Diagnostic radioisotope facility......................................
c. Electron beam computed tomography (EBCT) .................
d. Full-field digital mammography (FFDM) .........................
e. Magnetic resonance imaging (MRI)................................
f. Intraoperative magnetic resonance imaging ....................
g. Magnetoencephalography (MEG) ...................................
h. Multi-slice spiral computed tomography (<64+ slice CT) .................................................. ..................
i. Multi-slice spiral computed tomography (64+ slice CT) .................................................. ..........................
j. Positron emission tomography (PET) ..............................
k. Positron emission tomography/CT (PET/CT) ...................
l. Single photon emission computerized tomography SPECT) .................................................. ...
m. Ultrasound .................................................. ..............
84. Radiology, therapeutic
a. Image-guided radiation therapy (IGRT) ............................
b. Intensity-modulated radiation therapy (IMRT) ...................
c. Proton beam therapy .................................................. ...
d. Shaped beam radiation system .......................................
e. Stereotactic radiosurgery ...............................................
85. Retirement housing .................................................. .......
86. Robotic surgery .................................................. ............
87. Rural health clinic .................................................. .........
88. Sleep center .................................................. .................
89. Social work services .................................................. ......
90. Sports medicine .................................................. ...........
91. Support groups .................................................. ............
92. Swing bed services .................................................. .......
93. Teen outreach services ................................................


Remainder here at the data call definition sheet (PDF):
https://dshs.texas.gov/chs/hosp/Forms/AHA16.pdf

So unless you have some specific data on which beds might be useful, talking about total beds is kind of fucktarded. My guess is that the news source showing a small number of beds probably has that specific data.




:lmao If that is your figure, you think that "sports medicine" beds are going to save people who need ICU beds and ventilators? :rollin maybe Full-field digital mammography beds?

Do tell. How many of your total are actually going to be useful here. Bullshit has been called.

[TimDunkem]

You can't tell the difference between this "hospital bed":

https://blog.chocchildrens.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/NICU-expansion.jpg
(NICU)



and this "hospital bed":

https://www.scottishintensivecare.org.uk/uploads/2014-03-22-17-34-35-patientinanICUbed2jpg-97449.jpg
(ICU)




and these "hospital beds"
https://www.deangelisdiamond.com/media/1513/ten-broeck-wesley3.jpg
(psychiatric from an actual psych hospital in SA)


Only one of those is going to help someone whose lungs stop functioning, those are the beds you need to count and pay attention to.

On what measure of "hospital beds" are you basing this on?

Misinterpreting Covid data is a no-no until you're doing it to serve a point about hospital beds!

Maybe Darrin is just a midget and can fit on one of those NICU beds so it counts to him?

[tholdren]

He was quite that stupid. He said we had X beds, implying we shoudln't worry, and when I asked him what kind of beds he was talking about, he changd the subject.

He didn't know how the data was compiled, and neither did DarrinS as I am going to point out.

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=284138&page=63&p=10172420&viewfull=1#post10172420

Lol you said usa would run out of hospital capacity. Not 1 time. But again. And the listed all the beds. Lololllololol

Hahhahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahayyayaya

Just wait 2 weeks.

This guy is hilarious

[tholdren]

Lol RandomGuy when will hospitals be overcapacity?

You still using neil furguson models



Lolololololo just say it every day and who knows in a few years you may be correct

[boutons_deux]

NY under Cuomo is doing great, otoh, TX and other shithole Repug states ...

https://rt.live/?fbclid=IwAR2SuH8QiblnU-l6jTKG8ldLTV8LUe2IswF1Nczt67JQ02i2x4lLQiLpzRs

[tholdren]

did you know that there is a 0 pct growth in houston area icu occupancy trend?

RandomGuy where you at with those list of beds. Covid icu occupancy at 17 pct.


Yikes!

[tholdren]

did you know that the Houston area has 10% total bed occupancy from covid?


Get that list of beds.

[Blake]

did you know that the Houston area has 10% total bed occupancy from covid?


Get that list of beds.

"Houston-area health officials say we have plenty of room in our hospitals, as a whole. However, they say some individual hospitals have been overwhelmed.

"Yesterday morning at 9 a.m., four of the hospitals were saying that they were saturated already, so that was 9 o’clock in the morning on a Monday, we usually don't see that in the summertime," Dr. David Persse, Houston Public Health Authority said.

Those hospitals were full and were asking ambulances to go elsewhere."

https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/houston-hospitals-turn-away-patients-due-to-increase-in-covid-19-patients/285-fad2e536-a73b-4e6b-8caa-96d4c5f98457

You're an idiot

[TimDunkem]

^Welp, that seals it. Bumdren was wrong yet again.

[koriwhat]

Lol RandomGuy when will hospitals be overcapacity?

Well seeing how tranny's can get their dicks needlessly cut off rn those beds will stay empty.

[tholdren]

"Houston-area health officials say we have plenty of room in our hospitals, as a whole. However, they say some individual hospitals have been overwhelmed.

"Yesterday morning at 9 a.m., four of the hospitals were saying that they were saturated already, so that was 9 o’clock in the morning on a Monday, we usually don't see that in the summertime," Dr. David Persse, Houston Public Health Authority said.

Those hospitals were full and were asking ambulances to go elsewhere."

https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/houston-hospitals-turn-away-patients-due-to-increase-in-covid-19-patients/285-fad2e536-a73b-4e6b-8caa-96d4c5f98457

You're an idiot

https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/tmc-daily-new-covid-19-hospitalizations/

No. You just can't do simple math. Keep gossiping.

[RandomGuy]

"Houston-area health officials say we have plenty of room in our hospitals, as a whole. However, they say some individual hospitals have been overwhelmed.

"Yesterday morning at 9 a.m., four of the hospitals were saying that they were saturated already, so that was 9 o’clock in the morning on a Monday, we usually don't see that in the summertime," Dr. David Persse, Houston Public Health Authority said.

Those hospitals were full and were asking ambulances to go elsewhere."

https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/houston-hospitals-turn-away-patients-due-to-increase-in-covid-19-patients/285-fad2e536-a73b-4e6b-8caa-96d4c5f98457

You're an idiot

He can't tell the difference between a teen outreach bed and ICU bed. :lol

here is a partial list of beds he is including in his total:

3. Obstetrics [Level of unit (1-3): ( )] ........(#Beds: )
6. Neonatal intensive care ...............................(#Beds: )
7. Neonatal intermediate care ..........................(#Beds: )
8. Pediatric intensive care ...............................(#Beds: )
10. Other special care (specify: )(#Beds: )
11. Other intensive care (specify: ..........(#Beds: )
12. Physical rehabilitation .................................(#Beds: )
13. Alcoholism-drug abuse or dependency care ....(#Beds: )
14. Psychiatric care .........................................(#Beds: )
118. Other long- term care ................................(#Beds: )
19. Other care (specify: ) ............... .(#Beds: ( )
20. Adult day care program ................................................
22. Alcoholism-drug abuse or dependency outpatient services .................................................. .........................
23. Alzheimer center............................................ ..............
26. Arthritis treatment center .............................................
27. Assisted living .................................................. ...........
28. Auxiliary .................................................. ...................
29. Bariatric/weight control services ....................................
30. Birthing room/LDR room/LDRP room ..............................
31. Blood donor center .................................................. .....
32. Breast cancer screening/mammograms ..........................
33. Cardiology and cardiac surgery services
a. Adult cardiology services ..........................................
b. Pediatric cardiology services ......................................
c. Adult diagnostic catheterization .................................
d. Pediatric diagnostic catheterization ............................
e. Adult interventional cardiac catheterization .................
f. Pediatric interventional cardiac catheterization .............
g. Adult cardiac surgery ...............................................
h. Pediatric cardiac surgery ...........................................
i. Adult cardiac electrophysiology ...................................
j. Pediatric cardiac electrophysiology ..............................
k. Cardiac rehabilitation ...............................................
34. Case management .................................................. .....
35. Chaplaincy/pastoral care services ..................................
36. Chemotherapy .................................................. ...........
37. Children’s wellness program ..........................................
38. Chiropractic services .................................................. ..
39. Community outreach .................................................. ..
40. Complementary and alternative medicine services ...........
41. Computer assisted orthopedic surgery (CAOS) ...............
42. Crisis prevention .................................................. ........
43. Dental services .................................................. ..........
44. Emergency services
a. Emergency department ..............................................
b. Pediatric emergency department ................................
c. Satellite emergency department ..................................
e. Trauma center (certified) [Level of unit (1-4): ] .................................................. ......................
45. Enabling services .................................................. .......
46. Endoscopic services
a. Optical colonoscopy ..................................................
b Endoscopic ultrasound ...............................................
c. Ablation of Barrett’s esophagus .................................
e. Endoscopic retrograde cholangiopancreatography (ERCP) .................................................. ...............................
47. Enrollment (insurance) assistance services .....................
48. Extracorporeal shock wave lithotripter (ESWL) ...........
49. Fertility clinic .................................................. ......
50. Fitness center .................................................. .....
51. Freestanding outpatient care center .........................
52. Geriatric services ..................................................
53. Health fair .................................................. ..........
54. Community health education ...................................
55. Genetic testing/counseling ......................................
56. Health screenings ..................................................
57. Health research.......................................... ...........
58. Hemodialysis… .................................................. .....
59. HIV/AIDS services ..................................................
60. Home health services ..............................................
61. Hospice program .................................................. ..
62. Hospital-based outpatient care center services ...........
63. Immunization program ............................................
64. Indigent care clinic .................................................
65. Linguistic/translation services..................................
66. Meals on wheels .................................................. ...
67. Mobile health services .............................................
68. Neurological services ..............................................
69. Nutrition program .................................................. .
70. Occupational health services ....................................
71. Oncology services.......................................... .........
72. Orthopedic services ................................................
73. Outpatient surgery .................................................
74. Pain management program ......................................
75. Palliative care program........................................... .
76. Palliative care inpatient unit .....................................
77. Patient controlled analgesia (PCA) ............................
78. Patient education center ..........................................
79. Patient representative services .................................
80. Physical rehabilitation services
a. Assistive technology center ........................................
b. Electrodiagnostic services ..........................................
c. Physical rehabilitation outpatient services .....................
d. Prosthetic and orthotic services ..................................
e. Robot-assisted walking therapy ..................................
f. Simulated rehabilitation environment ...........................
81. Primary care department…………………………………..
82. Psychiatric services:
a. Psychiatric child-adolescent services ........................
b. Psychiatric consultation-liaison services ....................
c. Psychiatric education services .................................
d. Psychiatric emergency services ...............................
e. Psychiatric geriatric services ...................................
f. Psychiatric outpatient services .................................
g. Psychiatric partial hospitalization program ................
h. Psychiatric residential treatment…………………………
83. Radiology, diagnostic:
a. CT scanner .................................................. ..............
b. Diagnostic radioisotope facility......................................
c. Electron beam computed tomography (EBCT) .................
d. Full-field digital mammography (FFDM) .........................
e. Magnetic resonance imaging (MRI)................................
f. Intraoperative magnetic resonance imaging ....................
g. Magnetoencephalography (MEG) ...................................
h. Multi-slice spiral computed tomography (<64+ slice CT) .................................................. ..................
i. Multi-slice spiral computed tomography (64+ slice CT) .................................................. ..........................
j. Positron emission tomography (PET) ..............................
k. Positron emission tomography/CT (PET/CT) ...................
l. Single photon emission computerized tomography SPECT) .................................................. ...
m. Ultrasound .................................................. ..............
84. Radiology, therapeutic
a. Image-guided radiation therapy (IGRT) ............................
b. Intensity-modulated radiation therapy (IMRT) ...................
c. Proton beam therapy .................................................. ...
d. Shaped beam radiation system .......................................
e. Stereotactic radiosurgery ...............................................
85. Retirement housing .................................................. .......
86. Robotic surgery .................................................. ............
87. Rural health clinic .................................................. .........
88. Sleep center .................................................. .................
89. Social work services .................................................. ......
90. Sports medicine .................................................. ...........
91. Support groups .................................................. ............
92. Swing bed services .................................................. .......
93. Teen outreach services ................................................

Maybe you should ask him how "teen outreach service" beds or "blood donor" beds are gong to help the COVID patients. :rollin

[DarrinS]

RG still thinks our system will be overwhelmed.

You DO know that people recover, right?

[tholdren]

RG still thinks our system will be overwhelmed.

You DO know that people recover, right?

He does not. Nor does he understand the problem with pre-screening for hospital care, not does he understand total beds, census, capacity etc.

He copies a headline that uses data without properly understanding.
Texas was down 46 percent today fatalities are flat. There is some growth but its just like the ships in ny. Unnecessary gossip

[tholdren]

Wonder why texas stopped counting fatalities by age at 664 deaths?

[tholdren]

NEWSPOLITICS

Texas coronavirus totals jump due to 1,500 previously excluded state prison infectionsCOVID-19 outbreaks at units in two Texas counties were not previously included in statewide tallies

[tholdren]

Oh boy. People are now thinking about these raw numbers and the meaning behind them.
Lol
Chumpdump RandomGuy and TimDunkem lol

[RandomGuy]

RG still thinks our system will be overwhelmed.

You DO know that people recover, right?

I don't know if it will be, but thanks for lying about what I think.

That is part of what I have been trying to get at here.

What percent of available ICU beds are going filled?

If you look back a few pages, you will see a rough back of the envelope calc I did, and concluded we seemed to be fine for now. I can find the link for you.


Positivity rates can tell us whether a state’s testing capacity is sufficient. Ideally, a state should be meeting or exceeding the recommended positivity rate, which the WHO has set at 5%. A positivity rate over 5% indicates a state may only be testing the sickest patients who seek out medical care, and are not casting a wide enough net to identify milder cases and track outbreaks.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/tracker/overview

Texas postive rate is at about 7% by the last batch. It seems to be getting away from us, and with reopening, we don't seem to have the things in place that will stop it.

Dunno. Give it a few weeks to develop. It will accelerate as compound interest generally does. 1.03*1.03*1.03*1.03...

[koriwhat]

It's funny because those I call weak males and pussies are also those crying about wanting to police everyone. Yall are exactly the pussies I claim yall to be.

[RandomGuy]

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so much effort. Gaze upon the fields where I sow my fucks and whither they are bare.

[tholdren]

I don't know if it will be, but thanks for lying about what I think.

That is part of what I have been trying to get at here.

What percent of available ICU beds are going filled?

If you look back a few pages, you will see a rough back of the envelope calc I did, and concluded we seemed to be fine for now. I can find the link for you.


https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/tracker/overview

Texas postive rate is at about 7% by the last batch. It seems to be getting away from us, and with reopening, we don't seem to have the things in place that will stop it.

Dunno. Give it a few weeks to develop. It will accelerate as compound interest generally does. 1.03*1.03*1.03*1.03...
Lol what a dolt. He's now saying icu beds will be fine. What a typical flip flop. Has no business trying to do math. Still doesn't understand why pos up.

Wrong and not good with math. Just more gossip

[tholdren]

NEWSPOLITICS

Texas coronavirus totals jump due to 1,500 previously excluded state prison infectionsCOVID-19 outbreaks at units in two Texas counties were not previously included in statewide tallies

RandomGuy lololokikilokolil

[koriwhat]

Lol what a dolt. He's now saying icu beds will be fine. What a typical flip flop. Has no business trying to do math. Still doesn't understand why pos up.

Wrong and not good with math. Just more gossip

He is what he is... a faux/pseudo intellectual; they all are.

[pgardn]

Lol what a dolt. He's now saying icu beds will be fine. What a typical flip flop. Has no business trying to do math. Still doesn't understand why pos up.

Wrong and not good with math. Just more gossip

so when you look at graphs, what are your theories on how we should account for uncertainty?
I can give you a question if you like?

Edit: And Im not talking about Heisenberg. Just in general with data and graphing.

[RandomGuy]

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'Speaking of my ignore list.. :lol

[RandomGuy]

so when you look at graphs, what are your theories on how we should account for uncertainty?
I can give you a question if you like?

Good luck getting an answer.

[koriwhat]

koriwhat
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'Speaking of my ignore list.. :lol

Lol ya pussy!

[koriwhat]

so when you look at graphs, what are your theories on how we should account for uncertainty?
I can give you a question if you like?

Edit: And Im not talking about Heisenberg. Just in general with data and graphing.

Idk... how are those 2mil+ deaths stacking up that Fauci and birx said would happen? What about that graph? Lmao

[tholdren]

so when you look at graphs, what are your theories on how we should account for uncertainty?
I can give you a question if you like?

The problem is that a majority have not had any theories, nor looked at the data, but posts out of context numbers. Low level logic and gossip.

Inquire with your local government on why data is reported in this manner.

At bare minimum look at the dataset and learn how it is being produced. Look at how each "spike" is tabulated. Typically you will find a pattern or a deviation from the pattern.

What is your question?

[tholdren]

Before the lockdown I referenced how haphazardly states would collect and count cases. I believe this faulty collection and recording will also occur, as you see now, in hospitals all over the state which will allow others to believe, like RandomGuy ChumpDumper and TimDunkem that there are only 2 hospital beds available.

You cannot put stock into cases for pandemic tracking and public policy when you include data that would never be approved by any irb for research. I have already described the reasons the data is not reliable or valid numerous times, but will do it again for ChumpDumper

[ChumpDumper]

tholdren lies

[Blake]

Texas students will be returning to public schools in person this fall, Gov. Greg Abbott told state lawmakers Thursday morning.

The state's top education officials confirmed the plans in a statement to The Texas Tribune.

"It will be safe for Texas public school students, teachers, and staff to return to school campuses for in-person instruction this fall. But there will also be flexibility for families with health concerns so that their children can be educated remotely, if the parent so chooses," said Texas Education Commissioner Mike Morath.

When students return, school districts will not be required to mandate students wear masks or test them for COVID-19 symptoms, said Frank Ward, a spokesperson for the Texas Education Agency.

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/06/18/texas-schools-reopening-fall/

https://i.imgflip.com/3xwrwp.jpg

[spurraider21]

Texas students will be returning to public schools in person this fall, Gov. Greg Abbott told state lawmakers Thursday morning.

The state's top education officials confirmed the plans in a statement to The Texas Tribune.

"It will be safe for Texas public school students, teachers, and staff to return to school campuses for in-person instruction this fall. But there will also be flexibility for families with health concerns so that their children can be educated remotely, if the parent so chooses," said Texas Education Commissioner Mike Morath.

When students return, school districts will not be required to mandate students wear masks or test them for COVID-19 symptoms, said Frank Ward, a spokesperson for the Texas Education Agency.

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/06/18/texas-schools-reopening-fall/


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[RandomGuy]

Texas students will be returning to public schools in person this fall, Gov. Greg Abbott told state lawmakers Thursday morning.

The state's top education officials confirmed the plans in a statement to The Texas Tribune.

"It will be safe for Texas public school students, teachers, and staff to return to school campuses for in-person instruction this fall. But there will also be flexibility for families with health concerns so that their children can be educated remotely, if the parent so chooses," said Texas Education Commissioner Mike Morath.

When students return, school districts will not be required to mandate students wear masks or test them for COVID-19 symptoms, said Frank Ward, a spokesperson for the Texas Education Agency.

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/06/18/texas-schools-reopening-fall/

https://i.imgflip.com/3xwrwp.jpg

What happens if they open schools... and everyone keeps their kids home anyway?

[tholdren]

Texas students will be returning to public schools in person this fall, Gov. Greg Abbott told state lawmakers Thursday morning.

The state's top education officials confirmed the plans in a statement to The Texas Tribune.

"It will be safe for Texas public school students, teachers, and staff to return to school campuses for in-person instruction this fall. But there will also be flexibility for families with health concerns so that their children can be educated remotely, if the parent so chooses," said Texas Education Commissioner Mike Morath.

When students return, school districts will not be required to mandate students wear masks or test them for COVID-19 symptoms, said Frank Ward, a spokesperson for the Texas Education Agency.

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/06/18/texas-schools-reopening-fall/

https://i.imgflip.com/3xwrwp.jpg

Canada is doing the same thing. They recommend no masks for students. Trump got to em!

[tholdren]

3. Non-Medical and Medical Face Masks for children
Non-medical masks may reduce transmission from
individuals who are shedding the virus.24 However, the
extent of this benefit is unknown (especially in children)
and would only be potentially beneficial if done properly.
In fact, if worn incorrectly, it could lead to increased risk
of infection and it is not practical for a child to wear a
mask properly for the duration of a school day.24 It is
noteworthy that several European countries have had
children successfully return to school without face masks.2
Guidance statement(s):
• Non-medical and medical face masks are not required
or recommended for children returning to school.
The following points were considered in this recommendation:
• There is a lack of evidence that wearing a face mask
prevents SARS-CoV-2 transmission in children.

[tholdren]

3. Non-Medical and Medical Face Masks for children
Non-medical masks may reduce transmission from
individuals who are shedding the virus.24 However, the
extent of this benefit is unknown (especially in children)
and would only be potentially beneficial if done properly.
In fact, if worn incorrectly, it could lead to increased risk
of infection and it is not practical for a child to wear a
mask properly for the duration of a school day.24 It is
noteworthy that several European countries have had
children successfully return to school without face masks.2
Guidance statement(s):
• Non-medical and medical face masks are not required
or recommended for children returning to school.
The following points were considered in this recommendation:
• There is a lack of evidence that wearing a face mask
prevents SARS-CoV-2 transmission in children.

Lol RandomGuy what a low iq dude. Blake spurraider ChumpDumper and TimDunkem. Lololololilili

[ChumpDumper]

tholdren lies

[tholdren]

And when someone doesn't die on when they can be on them for 2-3 weeks. We're talking a city of 1.5 million and they were already at ~20% usage before any of the spikes started.

Lololololol9lolol

[tholdren]

3. Non-Medical and Medical Face Masks for children
Non-medical masks may reduce transmission from
individuals who are shedding the virus.24 However, the
extent of this benefit is unknown (especially in children)
and would only be potentially beneficial if done properly.
In fact, if worn incorrectly, it could lead to increased risk
of infection and it is not practical for a child to wear a
mask properly for the duration of a school day.24 It is
noteworthy that several European countries have had
children successfully return to school without face masks.2
Guidance statement(s):
• Non-medical and medical face masks are not required
or recommended for children returning to school.
The following points were considered in this recommendation:
• There is a lack of evidence that wearing a face mask
prevents SARS-CoV-2 transmission in children.
Chumpdump and RandomGuy bwahahahhhahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahaha

[ChumpDumper]

tholdren lies.

[boutons_deux]

it won't be safe, and I bet the teachers, esp the older ones, are terrified, but Repugs don't value teachers anyway, so if a few 100 older ones from C19, even better since they tend to be paid more, longevity, seniority, years of service.

[tholdren]

3. Non-Medical and Medical Face Masks for children
Non-medical masks may reduce transmission from
individuals who are shedding the virus.24 However, the
extent of this benefit is unknown (especially in children)
and would only be potentially beneficial if done properly.
In fact, if worn incorrectly, it could lead to increased risk
of infection and it is not practical for a child to wear a
mask properly for the duration of a school day.24 It is
noteworthy that several European countries have had
children successfully return to school without face masks.2
Guidance statement(s):
• Non-medical and medical face masks are not required
or recommended for children returning to school.
The following points were considered in this recommendation:
• There is a lack of evidence that wearing a face mask
prevents SARS-CoV-2 transmission in children.

No masks recommended by experts.

[tholdren]

Texas students will be returning to public schools in person this fall, Gov. Greg Abbott told state lawmakers Thursday morning.

The state's top education officials confirmed the plans in a statement to The Texas Tribune.

"It will be safe for Texas public school students, teachers, and staff to return to school campuses for in-person instruction this fall. But there will also be flexibility for families with health concerns so that their children can be educated remotely, if the parent so chooses," said Texas Education Commissioner Mike Morath.

When students return, school districts will not be required to mandate students wear masks or test them for COVID-19 symptoms, said Frank Ward, a spokesperson for the Texas Education Agency.

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/06/18/texas-schools-reopening-fall/

https://i.imgflip.com/3xwrwp.jpg

So this guy, and spurraider21 RandomGuy take to ChumpDumpers concept of gossiping. All the while experts have already said this....

3. Non-Medical and Medical Face Masks for children
Non-medical masks may reduce transmission from
individuals who are shedding the virus.24 However, the
extent of this benefit is unknown (especially in children)
and would only be potentially beneficial if done properly.
In fact, if worn incorrectly, it could lead to increased risk
of infection and it is not practical for a child to wear a
mask properly for the duration of a school day.24 It is
noteworthy that several European countries have had
children successfully return to school without face masks.2
Guidance statement(s):
• Non-medical and medical face masks are not required
or recommended for children returning to school.
The following points were considered in this recommendation:
• There is a lack of evidence that wearing a face mask
prevents SARS-CoV-2 transmission in children

[tholdren]

it won't be safe, and I bet the teachers, esp the older ones, are terrified, but Repugs don't value teachers anyway, so if a few 100 older ones from C19, even better since they tend to be paid more, longevity, seniority, years of service.

Lol it won't be safe. This is guidance by doctors. Lol.

Again what you are saying is, it's okay to ruin the lives of millions to possibly protect someone or tens of people from getting a viral infection.... illogical. Det science and math tho

[TimDunkem]

SA with more positives today than Harris and Dallas counties. :lol

[tholdren]

NEWSPOLITICS

Texas coronavirus totals jump due to 1,500 previously excluded state prison infectionsCOVID-19 outbreaks at units in two Texas counties were not previously included in statewide tallies

Lol ChumpDumper and RandomGuy say there's no issue with backlogging data. Lol

Man o man.

Shocked not more from those two about this with the hospital concern and all....

[tholdren]

SA with more positives today than Harris and Dallas counties. :lol
Lol perfect timing bwahahahahahhahahahah

[TimDunkem]

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[ChumpDumper]

tholdren lies

[tholdren]

oh he got me. Using that science and the block button. Bwahahahhahahaha karen mad cause she didn't really have the virus like she said. But it was added to the new cases. Lol TimDunkem.

[tholdren]

3. Non-Medical and Medical Face Masks for children
Non-medical masks may reduce transmission from
individuals who are shedding the virus.24 However, the
extent of this benefit is unknown (especially in children)
and would only be potentially beneficial if done properly.
In fact, if worn incorrectly, it could lead to increased risk
of infection and it is not practical for a child to wear a
mask properly for the duration of a school day.24 It is
noteworthy that several European countries have had
children successfully return to school without face masks.2
Guidance statement(s):
• Non-medical and medical face masks are not required
or recommended for children returning to school.
The following points were considered in this recommendation:
• There is a lack of evidence that wearing a face mask
prevents SARS-CoV-2 transmission in children.
Just to keep the truth going for ChumpDumper who warned us all of the dangers

[ChumpDumper]

tholdren lies

[Blake]

So this guy, and spurraider21 RandomGuy take to ChumpDumpers concept of gossiping. All the while experts have already said this....

3. Non-Medical and Medical Face Masks for children
Non-medical masks may reduce transmission from
individuals who are shedding the virus.24 However, the
extent of this benefit is unknown (especially in children)
and would only be potentially beneficial if done properly.
In fact, if worn incorrectly, it could lead to increased risk
of infection and it is not practical for a child to wear a
mask properly for the duration of a school day.24 It is
noteworthy that several European countries have had
children successfully return to school without face masks.2
Guidance statement(s):
• Non-medical and medical face masks are not required
or recommended for children returning to school.
The following points were considered in this recommendation:
• There is a lack of evidence that wearing a face mask
prevents SARS-CoV-2 transmission in children

When you post, I don't read it. You're an idiot

[tholdren]

When you post, I don't read it. You're an idiot
Well thats a lie. You read it because you responded.

You were wrong. Lol completely and utterly wrong. Quick post a fire meme. Lololololol

[pgardn]

Idk... how are those 2mil+ deaths stacking up that Fauci and birx said would happen? What about that graph? Lmao

This question is not for you.
This is for the board graphing expert.
It does not in anyway need to be a graph associated with the current situation.

[pgardn]

The problem is that a majority have not had any theories, nor looked at the data, but posts out of context numbers. Low level logic and gossip.

Inquire with your local government on why data is reported in this manner.

At bare minimum look at the dataset and learn how it is being produced. Look at how each "spike" is tabulated. Typically you will find a pattern or a deviation from the pattern.

What is your question?

Please read the post AGAIN.
There is a question. Discuss.

[pgardn]

so when you look at graphs, what are your theories on how we should account for uncertainty?
I can give you a specific question if you like?

Edit: And Im not talking about Heisenberg. Just in general with data and graphing.

I should make this clearer.

[tholdren]

I should make this clearer.
Find the context of the data

[pgardn]

Find the context of the data

So you hand out lengths of wire to people and ask them to measure the lengths.

[tholdren]

So you hand out lengths of wire to people and ask them to measure the lengths.

No, i give them the link to the raw data so that they can start to measure lengths themselves.

[pgardn]

No, i give them the link to the raw data so that they can start to measure lengths themselves.

How do you gather the raw data and measure the uncertainty in your data before you give it to them?

[tholdren]

How do you gather the raw data and measure the uncertainty in your data before you give it to them?

I dont give them anything. They can take the data and do whatever they see fit, but they do not. And thats the point. It's gossip.

I comment on trends and how the data is collected and reported. Which are facts.

[pgardn]

I dont give them anything. They can take the data and do whatever they see fit, but they do not. And thats the point. It's gossip.

I comment on trends and how the data is collected and reported. Which are facts.

YOU CAN measure your own uncertainty bud.
Your FACTS have uncertainty embedded in them then.
You asked me to ask you a question and now you stray from exactly what I was asking you about.

[tholdren]

YOU CAN measure your own uncertainty bud.
Your FACTS have uncertainty embedded in them then.
You asked me to ask you a question and now you stray from exactly what I was asking you about.
No. The facts are facts.

[pgardn]

No. The facts are facts.

Not if they are measured data.

Sorry but they have a range of uncertainty.

There is no uncertainty that your username is theoldren, that is a fact.
You really dont get it.

[tholdren]

Not if they are measured data.

Sorry but they have a range of uncertainty.

There is no uncertainty that your username is theoldren, that is a fact.
You really dont get it.
You don't get it. I explained that I just showed them the raw data collected and comment on the trends of that data. Those are indeed facts.

The bias behind collecting the data used, you are correct, is not a fact.

[tholdren]

It's ironic you are asking me these questions but not looking at the actual data collected and asking the state.

[Blake]

pgardn taking his turn on the tholderp rodeo

[tholdren]

pgardn taking his turn on the tholderp rodeo

He quit. He was trying to get me to say that I was generating data and didn't have error built in. He was too excited that he didn't read that I am only stating facts based on what is reported

I still haven't been proven wrong