Texas response to Corona virus

[ChumpDumper]

The bottom line is a country has only so much buffer for crisis. In your own personal life, you have only so much buffer for crisis. If we or if you experience a life altering event that soaks up that buffer, you could easily hindsight yourself into retardation about the buffer size, but the fact is there are many things we could die from and we decided at some point that building our individual portfolios was more important than building a nest egg of PPE, or maintaining 330 million people supply of life saving materials to be used in parallel.

Could be better, could be worse. It is what it is. Feds have not done a great job preparing for this yet many here want them running national healthcare.Sorry, you have some specific questions pending.

Why didn't Trump replenish the stockpile after multiple warnings?

Are you better equipped for a pandemic with 12 million masks or 104+ million masks?

Do you agree the Republicans did a shit job of preparing?

Yes or no.

[DMC]

Yes.

Didn't Trump have 3?

Isn't 7 more adequate than 3?

I'll give Trump 30% of the blame, Obama 70%. Is that fair?


I have no idea.

Why didn't Trump after multiple warnings?

Are you better equipped for a pandemic with 12 million masks or 104+ million masks?

Do you agree the Republicans did a shit job of preparing?
30% of the shit job was done by the right.

[DMC]

Sorry, you have some specific questions pending.

Why didn't Trump replenish the stockpile after multiple warnings?

Are you better equipped for a pandemic with 12 million masks or 104+ million masks?

Do you agree the Republicans did a shit job of preparing?

Yes or no.

Slow down, did you overdose on Ovaltine?

I already answered... spastic tireless rebutter.

[ChumpDumper]

Isn't 7 more adequate than 3?Probably not considering the makeup of Congress.


[quote]I'll give Trump 30% of the blame, Obama 70%. Is that fair?You'll have to factor in Congress.


30% of the shit job was done by the right.Recalculate after factoring in Congress.

[ChumpDumper]

Slow down, did you overdose on Ovaltine?

I already answered... spastic tireless rebutter.You didn't answer these:

Why didn't Trump replenish the stockpile after multiple warnings?

Are you better equipped for a pandemic with 12 million masks or 104+ million masks?

Do you agree the Republicans did a shit job of preparing?

Yes or no.

[DMC]

Probably not considering the makeup of Congress.

You'll have to factor in Congress.

Recalculate after factoring in Congress.

I don't need to factor in Congress. Trump admin vs Obama admin.

Trump gets 30% of the blame, Obama gets 70%. That's my final offer.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't need to factor in Congress. Trump admin vs Obama admin.

Trump gets 30% of the blame, Obama gets 70%. That's my final offer.Offer for what?

You're bargaining your opinion?

What an odd thing to do.

Congress introduces and passes the funding. You're being oversimplistic.

[DMC]

You didn't answer these:

Why didn't Trump replenish the stockpile after multiple warnings?

30% blame. That's why.


Are you better equipped for a pandemic with 12 million masks or 104+ million masks?

Ask the Obama admin who allowed it to dwindle. That 70% blame group.


Do you agree the Republicans did a shit job of preparing?

The 30% blame I have assigned them doesn't remove them from culpability. We'll have both groups before the council and we'll get this dealt with most ricky tik.

[ChumpDumper]

30% blame. That's why.Non-answer.

Why didn't Trump replenish the stockpile after multiple warnings?


Ask the Obama admin who allowed it to dwindle. That 70% blame group.I'm asking you.
Are you better equipped for a pandemic with 12 million masks or 104+ million masks?


The 30% blame I have assigned them doesn't remove them from culpability. We'll have both groups before the council and we'll get this dealt with most ricky tik.That wasn't my question.

Do you agree the Republicans did a shit job of preparing?

Yes or no.

[DMC]

Offer for what?

You're bargaining your opinion?

What an odd thing to do.

Congress introduces and passes the funding. You're being oversimplistic.
Blame.

Henceforth we will refer to the Obama era as the 70%ers and the Trump 1st term as the 30%ers when we assign blame for being unprepared for COVID-19.

[ElNono]

On the first point - both CC and I mentioned cost of operation and that of course translates to profit margin. Who here ever said "gee, I wish I could find that same thing for more?" You'll buy the cheaper one if the quality is similar and availability is acceptable. Knowing that, corporations owe it to their stockholders to maximize profits. They don't create the tendency for American individuals and companies to choose money over country. They only capitalize on it. I believe Trump ran on a platform of bring manufacturing back to the US instead of outsourcing it even if it meant subsidizing it some.

But this isn't a long term production, this is an emergency. Laws like the DPA are specifically tailored to the fact that companies will not move mass manufacturing back to the US out of their own volition. Trump promised something he already knew wasn't going to happen, and manufacturing is going to fly back to the cheapest world region in due time.

That whole reason the DPA exists is that there's no economic incentive here, there's a higher mission of saving American lives.


I don't quite understand your 2nd point. You're not ramping up manufacturing by going to different companies. Apples vs oranges.

The 2nd point goes entirely to what I described earlier. You have the VP in charge of the pandemic (federal) telling governors to ramp up testing since they all have excess tests, then you have governors (state) telling the federal government that they don't have the supplies to use the tests.

There's a disconnect here, where instead of these two entities are working together to address this (which clearly has not been addresses properly yet), they're talking past eachother.

Here you have a republican governor having to go public asking the FDA to expedite/step in on this (a federal agency, which, BTW, expedited Hydroxychloroquine in a couple of weeks).

All these things are a symptom of the same problem: There's a complete breakdown on the coordination between federal and state governments, it's been there from the get go, and it's still going on. I would even go as far as pointing out there's no actual coordinating plan. It's all improvisation when the requests and responses come in and out.

Considering how long it's been since this started, and the dead people piling up, calling it inept is being kind.

[ChumpDumper]

Blame.

Henceforth we will refer to the Obama era as the 70%ers and the Trump 1st term as the 30%ers when we assign blame for being unprepared for COVID-19.Who is we?

Why are you trying to dictate what other people say and think?

[DMC]

Non-answer.

I'm asking you.

That wasn't my question.

Do you agree the Republicans did a shit job of preparing?

Yes or no.
I am the wrong person to ask. It wasn't my call.

I've given my verdict. Court is adjourned. Bailiff, whack his pee pee.

[Winehole23]

DMC adjourns hastily after getting raked in detail by El Nono.

[DMC]

But this isn't a long term production, this is an emergency. Laws like the DPA are specifically tailored to the fact that companies will not move mass manufacturing back to the US out of their own volition. Trump promised something he already knew wasn't going to happen, and manufacturing is going to fly back to the cheapest world region in due time.

That whole reason the DPA exists is that there's no economic incentive here, there's a higher mission of saving American lives.



The 2nd point goes entirely to what I described earlier. You have the VP in charge of the pandemic (federal) telling governors to ramp up testing since they all have excess tests, then you have governors (state) telling the federal government that they don't have the supplies to use the tests.

There's a disconnect here, where instead of these two entities are working together to address this (which clearly has not been addresses properly yet), they're talking past eachother.

Here you have a republican governor having to go public asking the FDA to expedite/step in on this (a federal agency, which, BTW, expedited Hydroxychloroquine in a couple of weeks).

All these things are a symptom of the same problem: There's a complete breakdown on the coordination between federal and state governments, it's been there from the get go, and it's still going on. I would even go as far as pointing out there's no actual coordinating plan. It's all improvisation when the requests and responses come in and out.

Considering how long it's been since this started, and the dead people piling up, calling it inept is being kind.

So I am not sure what you're asking exactly. I explained that, law or not, ramping up manufacturing takes time. You said no, other companies can be given the green light. If that's not being done, that's either the FDA (heavy handed gestapo organization) or there's a reason for it. A company that doesn't have local manufacturing capability cannot just develop it overnight.

Whether or not Trump delivers, that's what he ran on and one of the things the right has stated they want (even if they shop at Walmart and buy mostly Chinese manufactured goods).

What you're saying is the feds and states' gears don't mesh smoothly. I agree. Working with the ANG wasn't easy and that wasn't nearly as complex as what they are trying to shoehorn now. Historically state governments and the feds are at odds. It's not surprising they don't work well. Red tape from one system coupled with red tape from the other, competing political interests and such make a pretty wide swath through what could otherwise be a productive union. I blame it on lawyers.

Government is inept. Another age old truth. Some recently here were arguing that they are efficient.

[DMC]

DMC adjourns hastily after getting raked in detail by El Nono.

My discussion with El is still going on. You're cut off.

[ElNono]

So I am not sure what you're asking exactly. I explained that, law or not, ramping up manufacturing takes time. You said no, other companies can be given the green light. If that's not being done, that's either the FDA (heavy handed gestapo organization) or there's a reason for it. A company that doesn't have local manufacturing capability cannot just develop it overnight.

Whether or not Trump delivers, that's what he ran on and one of the things the right has stated they want (even if they shop at Walmart and buy mostly Chinese manufactured goods).

The point is that regardless of how long it takes, the order never came in. We keep wasting time here. We all know that ramping up manufacturing takes time. We knew this two months ago too. Now because the decision wasn't made, we have to fly over masks from Chine and are at the mercy of whatever they decide. That's not China's fault, it's our fault for being incompetent and not using the tools we have at our disposal during an emergency.

This is what leadership is. You grab the best people around, you set up a plan and you execute. You know this well, works in every area of life. Improvisation is for amateurs, especially when lives are on the line.

Now, about the reagents and the FDA, how come Pence had nothing to say about that? This is the disconnect we have going on here. The governor should be talking to Pence, and Pence to the FDA. Instead we have Pence talking to the press about bad governors, and governors talking to the press about bad federal.

It's like the fucking cone of silence on Get Smart. If it wouldn't be deadly, it would be comedic.

What Trump ran on is completely unimportant right now. Manufacturing is never coming back to the US because we would need to have the standard of living of China, Vietnam, Honduras, etc to be competitive, and we're not. There's simply no tariff high enough that will offset paying $2 an hour, and 12+ hour shifts.

Anybody that knows anything about basic economics understands that. But that's besides the point right now. If it costs $20B more than in China to develop the reagents here, you do it, the government funds it and you have the supplies. Once this passes, you let manufacturing go back to where it needs to go.



What you're saying is the feds and states' gears don't mesh smoothly. I agree. Working with the ANG wasn't easy and that wasn't nearly as complex as what they are trying to shoehorn now. Historically state governments and the feds are at odds. It's not surprising they don't work well. Red tape from one system coupled with red tape from the other, competing political interests and such make a pretty wide swath through what could otherwise be a productive union. I blame it on lawyers.

Government is inept. Another age old truth. Some recently here were arguing that they are efficient.

Government is inept when it wants to be. Apparently it's not inept when we have to spend trillions of dollars bailing out corps. So don't give me that. We're in the middle of an emergency.

The tools are there, and have been there for a long time now to cut through the red tape in instances like this. They're just not being used and there's simply no valid excuse for that.

[ElNono]

DMC adjourns hastily after getting raked in detail by El Nono.

There's no raking anything. We're just having a rare adult discussion. Feel free to participate.

[ChumpDumper]

I am the wrong person to ask. It wasn't my call.

I've given my verdict. Court is adjourned. Bailiff, whack his pee pee.I want to thank you for doing so many backflips for so long to insulate Trump for whatever reason you've deluded yourself into.

It was exactly what I said you guys do.:tu

[DMC]

The point is that regardless of how long it takes, the order never came in. We keep wasting time here. We all know that ramping up manufacturing takes time. We knew this two months ago too. Now because the decision wasn't made, we have to fly over masks from Chine and are at the mercy of whatever they decide. That's not China's fault, it's our fault for being incompetent and not using the tools we have at our disposal during an emergency.

This is what leadership is. You grab the best people around, you set up a plan and you execute. You know this well, works in every area of life. Improvisation is for amateurs, especially when lives are on the line.

Now, about the reagents and the FDA, how come Pence had nothing to say about that? This is the disconnect we have going on here. The governor should be talking to Pence, and Pence to the FDA. Instead we have Pence talking to the press about bad governors, and governors talking to the press about bad federal.

It's like the fucking cone of silence on Get Smart. If it wouldn't be deadly, it would be comedic.

What Trump ran on is completely unimportant right now. Manufacturing is never coming back to the US because we would need to have the standard of living of China, Vietnam, Honduras, etc to be competitive, and we're not. There's simply no tariff high enough that will offset paying $2 an hour, and 12+ hour shifts.

Anybody that knows anything about basic economics understands that. But that's besides the point right now. If it costs $20B more than in China to develop the reagents here, you do it, the government funds it and you have the supplies. Once this passes, you let manufacturing go back to where it needs to go.




Government is inept when it wants to be. Apparently it's not inept when we have to spend trillions of dollars bailing out corps. So don't give me that. We're in the middle of an emergency.

The tools are there, and have been there for a long time now to cut through the red tape in instances like this. They're just not being used and there's simply no valid excuse for that.

I can tell you that reagents are being manufactured in the US. I cannot tell you how much or who/where (some of that I don't even know). I do know that much of this is a recent development and we should look at it on a state by state basis as they are responsible for testing - mostly being done by private labs right now but not because the states cannot test, it's because they don't receive enough samples to justify additional testing facilities ATM.

The bulk of focus should be on New York, but because of how they stack their urban population like cattle and how much interaction they have with so many others in daily routines, it's an uphill battle just to get a grip on it. Keep in mind that, while all this is happening, other ailments still have to be addressed, other kits have to still be manufactured.

[CosmicCowboy]

And it's not like the stockpile wasn't at one time almost ten times as large as it was going into this pandemic.

The national stockpile used to be somewhat more robust. In 2006, Congress provided supplemental funds to add 104 million N95 masks and 52 million surgical masks in an effort to prepare for a flu pandemic.

We've already done all this. Why pretend we didn't?

We did it. They got used with the swine flu in 2009 and never replaced. Why pretend they werent?

[ChumpDumper]

We did it. They got used with the swine flu in 2009 and never replaced. Why pretend they werent?Where did you say I did that?

I posted how many masks we had this time around multiple times and compared it to how much we had for 2009.

[CosmicCowboy]

Sorry, you have some specific questions pending.

Why didn't Trump replenish the stockpile after multiple warnings?

Are you better equipped for a pandemic with 12 million masks or 104+ million masks?

Do you agree the Republicans did a shit job of preparing?

Yes or no.

Jeez Chump. You suck so bad at this. Obama administration used them up and had seven years to replace them and never did. Twist and squirm all you want...the guilt is shared equally with democrats and republicans.

[ChumpDumper]

Jeez Chump. You suck so bad at this. Obama administration used them up and had seven years to replace them and never did. Twist and squirm all you want...the guilt is shared equally with democrats and republicans.I've already blamed Democrats for their failings.

Team Trump here has never acknowledge any blame for Trump. Hell, you won't blame him for anything specific.

Who has been in office for three years and was specifically warned about Wuhan two years ago?

[CosmicCowboy]

I've already blamed Democrats for their failings.

Team Trump here has never acknowledge any blame for Trump. Hell, you won't blame him for anything specific.

Who has been in office for three years and was specifically warned about Wuhan two years ago?

:lmao now you are just grasping at straws to justify your TDS.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao now you are just grasping at straws to justify your TDS.See what I mean?

You guys always do defensive backflips or try to change the subject.

Every single time.

It's just dishonest and I have no idea why you force yourselves to do it.

[CosmicCowboy]

See what I mean?

You guys always do backflips or try to change the subject.

Every single time.

It's just dishonest and I have no idea why you force yourselves to do it.

Stupid fuck. You QUOTED ME saying Republicans deserved equal blame and then said I didnt blame Republicans. You are fucking pathetic. BTW, you are right to be scared of the boogievirus. Statistically, it likes to kill fat fucks.

[ChumpDumper]

Stupid fuck. You QUOTED ME saying Republicans deserved equal blame and then said I didnt blame Republicans. You are fucking pathetic. BTW, you are right to be scared of the boogievirus. Statistically, it likes to kill fat fucks.See, you're doing it again.

Nothing specific about Trump.

Change the subject to me.

You do it every time.

Why do you call it the boogievirus?

[DMC]

Jeez Chump. You suck so bad at this. Obama administration used them up and had seven years to replace them and never did. Twist and squirm all you want...the guilt is shared equally with democrats and republicans.

No, it's a 70/30 split.

[ElNono]

I can tell you that reagents are being manufactured in the US. I cannot tell you how much or who/where (some of that I don't even know). I do know that much of this is a recent development and we should look at it on a state by state basis as they are responsible for testing - mostly being done by private labs right now but not because the states cannot test, it's because they don't receive enough samples to justify additional testing facilities ATM.

The bulk of focus should be on New York, but because of how they stack their urban population like cattle and how much interaction they have with so many others in daily routines, it's an uphill battle just to get a grip on it. Keep in mind that, while all this is happening, other ailments still have to be addressed, other kits have to still be manufactured.

But this is where I disagree. Antibody testing shouldn't be based on epidemic focus. RT testing probably, but not antibody testing.

If we agree that any plan for reopening and slowly doing away with social distancing requires a solid data foundation, then it's inescapable that we need broad testing.

If the argument is that such capacity of testing is unattainable, then say so, and let the chips fall where they may. If the argument is that Murica is the best and we'll have the best testing ever, then get your shit together, work together towards that goal.

The problem is we don't have one or other. Actually, we have worse. We have both sides bickering left and right and still no testing capacity of the kind we need to make informed decisions. And all that bickering isn't free, people die, and decisions that leaders make in complete darkness, have a measurable value in human lives.

[Th'Pusher]

I can tell you that reagents are being manufactured in the US. I cannot tell you how much or who/where (some of that I don't even know). I do know that much of this is a recent development and we should look at it on a state by state basis as they are responsible for testing - mostly being done by private labs right now but not because the states cannot test, it's because they don't receive enough samples to justify additional testing facilities ATM.

The bulk of focus should be on New York, but because of how they stack their urban population like cattle and how much interaction they have with so many others in daily routines, it's an uphill battle just to get a grip on it. Keep in mind that, while all this is happening, other ailments still have to be addressed, other kits have to still be manufactured.

There seem to be two primary components to EN’s argument, neither of which do you seem to be comfortable addressing head on.

First, do you think the trump administration should have invoked the DPA to produce PPE/reagents domestically, say two to three months ago considering the tome it takes to ramp up production? If not, why?

Second, do you think the trump administration’s approach to working with state governments has been productive? If yes, why? If not, do you think the administration should change course?

[Blake]

You'll have to factor in Congress.

Recalculate after factoring in Congress.

don't forget to factor in De Blasio because mayors and stuff per dmc

[ChumpDumper]

don't forget to factor in De Blasio because mayors and stuff per dmc:lol I hope they don't realize they're doing it. That's the only explanation that doesn't make them look completely pathetic.

[ElNono]

while we're having this convo...

Trump says he will use Defense Production Act to increase swabs for testing

President Trump announced Sunday that he will use the Defense Production Act to direct a company to increase production of badly-needed swabs for coronavirus testing.

Trump said at a White House news briefing that he would use the Korean War-era law to direct one company that the administration has "had a little difficulty" with to increase swab production by over 20 million swabs per month.

He did not name the company and he did not provide further details.

"We're calling in the Defense Production Act and we'll be getting swabs very easily," Trump said.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/493604-trump-says-he-will-use-defense-production-act-to-increase-swabs-for-testing

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Waaaay too late, but hopefully he's not talking out of his ass again.

[Winehole23]

There's no raking anything. We're just having a rare adult discussion. Feel free to participate.I was participating fwiw.

[DMC]

There seem to be two primary components to EN’s argument, neither of which do you seem to be comfortable addressing head on.

First, do you think the trump administration should have invoked the DPA to produce PPE/reagents domestically, say two to three months ago considering the tome it takes to ramp up production? If not, why?

Second, do you think the trump administration’s approach to working with state governments has been productive? If yes, why? If not, do you think the administration should change course?


Some clinics don't want the tests because they don't want people who think they have it to come to them. They want someone else to worry about it.

If I was in charge I would treat this as an invasion, I would use Homeland Security the FBI and the National Guard. I would roll out testing in every city and insist on manufacturing of test kits. I would treat this virus like removing lice from the head of a child.

[DMC]

But this is where I disagree. Antibody testing shouldn't be based on epidemic focus. RT testing probably, but not antibody testing.

If we agree that any plan for reopening and slowly doing away with social distancing requires a solid data foundation, then it's inescapable that we need broad testing.

If the argument is that such capacity of testing is unattainable, then say so, and let the chips fall where they may. If the argument is that Murica is the best and we'll have the best testing ever, then get your shit together, work together towards that goal.

The problem is we don't have one or other. Actually, we have worse. We have both sides bickering left and right and still no testing capacity of the kind we need to make informed decisions. And all that bickering isn't free, people die, and decisions that leaders make in complete darkness, have a measurable value in human lives.

Antibody testing is a different animal. There will be OTC kits available but administering it yourself will be hit or miss, mostly miss, because you have to jam the swab up your nose all the way back to your fucking ear or some such shit. I cannot see people doing that right. Supposedly there are Ig-G serology kits available in early May from both Roche and Abbott labs. Capacity for manufacturing them by the millions could be a different story. Roche has been trying to get FDA clearance on their kit. I don't know about Abbott Labs. Getting things through for IVD testing is time consuming and even if the FDA is fast tracking, it's still not overnight.

As for the bickering, there's nothing anyone here can do about it and it's expected. Politicians will always politicize things, always.

[Th'Pusher]

Ok. Since you can’t bring yourself to say it, I’m going to imply that you think the trump admin fucked up by not employing the DPA sooner.

How about his approach to working with state governments? Do you think that has been particularly effective?

[Th'Pusher]

As for the bickering, there's nothing anyone here can do about it and it's expected. Politicians will always politicize things, always.

I hate cynicism - it's my least favorite quality and it doesn't lead anywhere.

Conan O'Brien

[ElNono]

Antibody testing is a different animal. There will be OTC kits available but administering it yourself will be hit or miss, mostly miss, because you have to jam the swab up your nose all the way back to your fucking ear or some such shit. I cannot see people doing that right. Supposedly there are Ig-G serology kits available in early May from both Roche and Abbott labs. Capacity for manufacturing them by the millions could be a different story. Roche has been trying to get FDA clearance on their kit. I don't know about Abbott Labs. Getting things through for IVD testing is time consuming and even if the FDA is fast tracking, it's still not overnight.

There are newer tests that don't require the full on swab all the way to the back of the nose/throat, but I also believe the swab tests are the RT tests, not the antibody-serology ones, which take longer to bring back results, but are blood-based. Somebody feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Regardless, we're not anywhere near testing at the level we need to test, which was what started this conversation. We're nowhere near even the administration projected numbers (talk about models).

We needed to get this ball rolling 1 or 2 months ago, when the clown in charge was talking about viruses magically disappearing and wishing the virus away.


As for the bickering, there's nothing anyone here can do about it and it's expected. Politicians will always politicize things, always.

The bucks stops somewhere. I have no problem stating this administration downright incompetent when it comes to this thing, and I also don't think governors are entirely blameless either, saving very few exceptions.

We can certainly express our dissatisfaction, both here and at the voting booth.

[RandomGuy]

RG now stands for Random Guess :lol

Antibody testing is part of it.

But that is not what is needed. Sorry. Test track and trace.

[RandomGuy]

Ok. Since you can’t bring yourself to say it, I’m going to imply that you think the trump admin fucked up by not employing the DPA sooner.

How about his approach to working with state governments? Do you think that has been particularly effective?

He won't ever admit anything bad about Trump. That would be giving people he despises a "W". It is very petty and small.

He is smart enough to see how badly this is going, just like hte rest of us.

[DMC]

Ok. Since you can’t bring yourself to say it, I’m going to imply that you think the trump admin fucked up by not employing the DPA sooner.

How about his approach to working with state governments? Do you think that has been particularly effective?


He won't ever admit anything bad about Trump. That would be giving people he despises a "W". It is very petty and small.

He is smart enough to see how badly this is going, just like hte rest of us.

You lot are so focused on me it's amusing. Why do you care what I think?

[RandomGuy]

Jeez Chump. You suck so bad at this. Obama administration used them up and had seven years to replace them and never did. Twist and squirm all you want...the guilt is shared equally with democrats and republicans.

https://i.imgur.com/uzcmQF9.gifv

[boutons_deux]

https://i.imgur.com/uzcmQF9.gifv

CC, when you going into the streets without gloves and mask to force Abbott to get off his corrupt ass and open Texas up again?

Trump has had 3 years to correct whatever the fuck you say Obama screwed up, but Trump has made EVERYTHING much worse.

[CosmicCowboy]

CC, when you going into the streets without gloves and mask to force Abbott to get off his corrupt ass and open Texas up again?

Trump has had 3 years to correct whatever the fuck you say Obama screwed up, but Trump has made EVERYTHING much worse.

I think those people are idiots. Myself and my employees are wearing masks, using hand sanitizer and washing our hands. i'm also not defending Trump, just pointing out your hypocrisy. D's and R's share responsibility equally.

[clambake]

right cowboy


they all shared this hoax

[Winehole23]

You lot are so focused on me it's amusing. Why do you care what I think?Demands answers, ducks direct questions.

[CosmicCowboy]

right cowboy


they all shared this hoax

Congress appropriates money

Why didn't they appropriate money for protective gear and ventilators?

[clambake]

why do that for a hoax?

[CosmicCowboy]

THE PARTISAN CORONAVIRUS BLAME GAME escalated over the weekend with the release of a blistering attack ad and a number of media appearances in which lawmakers sought to color the public’s perception of how we arrived at 40,000 coronavirus fatalities and who should be held responsible at the polls in November.



The Biden campaign released an attack ad on Saturday that will run online in the battleground states of Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Arizona, North Carolina and Florida. “When Trump rolled over for the Chinese, he took their word for it. Trump praised the Chinese 15 times in January and February as the coronavirus spread across the world,” the narrator says as images of Trump tweets and quotes appear on screen. The ad is the first major salvo in Biden’s efforts to cast the Trump campaign as woefully unprepared to meet the moment. For the next six months we can expect Biden to talk of little else.



On January 31, the day the White House announced that it would bar foreign nationals who had visited China in the previous two weeks from entering the U.S., Biden accused Trump of responding to the crisis with “hysterical xenophobia.” The Biden campaign later came out in favor of the travel restriction and now says the xenophobia remark was not made in reference to that specific decision.



House Speaker Nancy Pelosi also entered the fray on Sunday, slamming the administration’s efforts during an appearance on Fox News Sundays with Chris Wallace. “The president gets an F, a failure, on the testing,” Pelosi said. Wallace responded by charging Pelosi with hypocrisy, citing her decision to take a walking tour of San Francisco’s Chinatown in late February, three weeks after Trump announced the China travel restrictions. Following the tour, Pelosi held a press conference to assure her constituents that “everything is fine” and urged them to “come to Chinatown.”



“If the president underplayed the threat in the early days, Speaker Pelosi, didn’t you as well?” Wallace asked.



“No!” Pelosi replied. “What we were trying to do is end the discrimination, the stigma that was going out against the Asian-American community and in fact, if you will look, the record will show that our Chinatown has been a model of containing and preventing the virus, and I’m confident in our folks there and thought it was necessary to offset some of the things that the president and others were saying about Asian-Americans and making them a target. A target of violence across the country.”



Representative Dan Crenshaw offered a word in defense of the administration during a Friday appearance on Real Time With Bill Maher. The Texas Republican pushed back on Maher’s claim that the administration was slow to respond to the outbreak relative to other countries, and argued that many of the same people who criticized Trump’s China travel ban in February are now criticizing him for not being more restrictive.



“He lies about that,” Maher said, pointing out that some 40,000 travelers entered the country from China after the restrictions were put in place — the same line of attack featured in Biden’s campaign ad. “He said he stopped people coming in from China and he did not.”



“Look, let me address that,” Crenshaw said. “These were U.S. citizens and passport holders and green card holders being repatriated — U.S. citizens. So, you have to make the argument then that we shouldn’t allow them in. It sounds to me like you’re fully agreeing with President Trump on this when everybody else disagreed with him. And if you’re saying that you wish that travel restriction had been more extreme, okay fine, you apparently had the foresight when nobody else did.”



With the exception of Senator Tom Cotton (R., Ark.) and a handful of China hawks in the House, everyone on Capitol Hill and in the administration was slow to realize the scale of the threat facing America and the world. This universal lack of preparedness was in no small part due to the fact that our elected leaders were taking their cues from a World Health Organization that was parroting the Beijing party line. Considering the monumental level of spin Americans are about to be subjected to, it’s worth remembering who said what and when.

[boutons_deux]

"This universal lack of preparedness was in no small part due to the fact that our elected leaders were taking their cues from a World Health Organization "

there were Americans working at WHO in Geneva who

sent pandemic reports to the WH and/or Exec agencies, in December '19.

No action by Trash and his toadies.

Trash rejected 60K test kits from WHO, assuming the impeccable, all-powerful, perfect "market" would solve the pandemic crisis.

[RandomGuy]

Congress appropriates money

Why didn't they appropriate money for protective gear and ventilators?

Good question. After the wargaming session in which the (very bored) Trump administration people took place, why did they not ask for it?

They had three years.

[RandomGuy]

THE PARTISAN CORONAVIRUS BLAME GAME escalated over the weekend with the release of a blistering attack ad and a number of media appearances in which lawmakers sought to color the public’s perception of how we arrived at 40,000 coronavirus fatalities and who should be held responsible at the polls in November.

The Biden campaign released an attack ad on Saturday that will run online in the battleground states of Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Arizona, North Carolina and Florida. “When Trump rolled over for the Chinese, he took their word for it. Trump praised the Chinese 15 times in January and February as the coronavirus spread across the world,” the narrator says as images of Trump tweets and quotes appear on screen. The ad is the first major salvo in Biden’s efforts to cast the Trump campaign as woefully unprepared to meet the moment. For the next six months we can expect Biden to talk of little else.

On January 31, the day the White House announced that it would bar foreign nationals who had visited China in the previous two weeks from entering the U.S., Biden accused Trump of responding to the crisis with “hysterical xenophobia.” The Biden campaign later came out in favor of the travel restriction and now says the xenophobia remark was not made in reference to that specific decision.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi also entered the fray on Sunday, slamming the administration’s efforts during an appearance on Fox News Sundays with Chris Wallace. “The president gets an F, a failure, on the testing,” Pelosi said. Wallace responded by charging Pelosi with hypocrisy, citing her decision to take a walking tour of San Francisco’s Chinatown in late February, three weeks after Trump announced the China travel restrictions. Following the tour, Pelosi held a press conference to assure her constituents that “everything is fine” and urged them to “come to Chinatown.”

“If the president underplayed the threat in the early days, Speaker Pelosi, didn’t you as well?” Wallace asked.

“No!” Pelosi replied. “What we were trying to do is end the discrimination, the stigma that was going out against the Asian-American community and in fact, if you will look, the record will show that our Chinatown has been a model of containing and preventing the virus, and I’m confident in our folks there and thought it was necessary to offset some of the things that the president and others were saying about Asian-Americans and making them a target. A target of violence across the country.”

Representative Dan Crenshaw offered a word in defense of the administration during a Friday appearance on Real Time With Bill Maher. The Texas Republican pushed back on Maher’s claim that the administration was slow to respond to the outbreak relative to other countries, and argued that many of the same people who criticized Trump’s China travel ban in February are now criticizing him for not being more restrictive.

“He lies about that,” Maher said, pointing out that some 40,000 travelers entered the country from China after the restrictions were put in place — the same line of attack featured in Biden’s campaign ad. “He said he stopped people coming in from China and he did not.”

“Look, let me address that,” Crenshaw said. “These were U.S. citizens and passport holders and green card holders being repatriated — U.S. citizens. So, you have to make the argument then that we shouldn’t allow them in. It sounds to me like you’re fully agreeing with President Trump on this when everybody else disagreed with him. And if you’re saying that you wish that travel restriction had been more extreme, okay fine, you apparently had the foresight when nobody else did.”

With the exception of Senator Tom Cotton (R., Ark.) and a handful of China hawks in the House, everyone on Capitol Hill and in the administration was slow to realize the scale of the threat facing America and the world. This universal lack of preparedness was in no small part due to the fact that our elected leaders were taking their cues from a World Health Organization that was parroting the Beijing party line. Considering the monumental level of spin Americans are about to be subjected to, it’s worth remembering who said what and when.

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/WeZTGZiFfePx_nUBdpDzRA--~A/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9MTI4MDtoPTk2MA--/https://media-mbst-pub-ue1.s3.amazonaws.com/creatr-uploaded-images/2020-04/a9396810-82b3-11ea-beff-659e6f83d5b5

https://gotechdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/1587171059_Covid-19-coronavirus-reaction-US-citizens-protest-against-blockade-in.jpg

https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/protest-1-ap-er-200419_hpMain_16x9_992.jpg

https://dmn-dallas-news-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer/yTjC8st2qD1JghLX5J_NsSw4K7c=/1660x934/smart/filters:no_upscale()/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-dmn.s3.amazonaws.com/public/SZ76RQ2JEFGL3NZJWJFAHBXGRQ.jpg

https://www.fccnn.com/incoming/5234120-7knt9v-041720.REOPENMN6.jpg/alternates/BASE_LANDSCAPE/041720.REOPENMN6.jpg

[CosmicCowboy]

"This universal lack of preparedness was in no small part due to the fact that our elected leaders were taking their cues from a World Health Organization "

there were Americans working at WHO in Geneva who

sent pandemic reports to the WH and/or Exec agencies, in December '19.

No action by Trash and his toadies.

Trash rejected 60K test kits from WHO, assuming the impeccable, all-powerful, perfect "market" would solve the pandemic crisis.





More Boutons fake news.

[TimDunkem]

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/WeZTGZiFfePx_nUBdpDzRA--~A/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9MTI4MDtoPTk2MA--/https://media-mbst-pub-ue1.s3.amazonaws.com/creatr-uploaded-images/2020-04/a9396810-82b3-11ea-beff-659e6f83d5b5

https://gotechdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/1587171059_Covid-19-coronavirus-reaction-US-citizens-protest-against-blockade-in.jpg

https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/protest-1-ap-er-200419_hpMain_16x9_992.jpg

https://dmn-dallas-news-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer/yTjC8st2qD1JghLX5J_NsSw4K7c=/1660x934/smart/filters:no_upscale()/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-dmn.s3.amazonaws.com/public/SZ76RQ2JEFGL3NZJWJFAHBXGRQ.jpg

https://www.fccnn.com/incoming/5234120-7knt9v-041720.REOPENMN6.jpg/alternates/BASE_LANDSCAPE/041720.REOPENMN6.jpg

Are their bootstraps not long enough to get through staying at home? Were they not fiscally conservative enough to save for a rainy day?

[Spurs Homer]

Congress appropriates money

Why didn't they appropriate money for protective gear and ventilators?

On Feb 5th

Congress tried at a meeting with the WH -

WH said - NO - WE ARE GOOD!


https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/senator-says-white-house-turned-down-emergency-coronavirus-funding-in-early-february/ar-BB11OvE1

[CosmicCowboy]

On Feb 5th

Congress tried at a meeting with the WH -

WH said - NO - WE ARE GOOD!


https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/senator-says-white-house-turned-down-emergency-coronavirus-funding-in-early-february/ar-BB11OvE1

LMAO February 5th? Who were they gonna buy it from then? China was sucking up all their production.

[DMC]

Demands answers, ducks direct questions.
I've given you the truth but you can't handle it. Instead you want an echo chamber confirmation style response. You won't get it from me. Suck it up and walk it off.

It's 70% Democrat responsibility, 30% Republican responsibility. Them's the breaks.

[picnroll]

LMAO February 5th? Who were they gonna buy it from then? China was sucking up all their production.

Actually on Feb 5 US was still selling PPE supplies to China.

[CosmicCowboy]

Actually on Feb 5 US was still selling PPE supplies to China.

more fake news quoting that dude in Florida..

The 3M masks were manufactured in China and China basically nationalized the plant for their own use.

[picnroll]

I've given you the truth but you can't handle it. Instead you want an echo chamber confirmation style response. You won't get it from me. Suck it up and walk it off.

It's 70% Democrat responsibility, 30% Republican responsibility. Them's the breaks.
It’s about 100% executive branch fault. Single by far greatest failure that has led to this shit show is lack of testing which could have arrested spread early on. Testing was the responsibility of the CDC. CDC is under the guidance of Trash’s executive branch. Rather than seeing where the DOW is every day, watching the news every day to line up his twitter feed and figuring out when his next golf outing would be Trash should have paid attention to, been monitoring the real emerging crisis. Plenty of experts were pointing out the potential disaster. When the testing sites were reporting failures in testing, if he wasn’t asleep at the wheel and knew how critical testing was, he would have made the appropriate and necessary adjustments to regulations to unleash the commercial labs. Meanwhile he would have been aware of of what supplies would be necessary to enable testing by the commercial labs which ultimately would have been necessary one way or the other and begun to procure them. We need a better, more intelligent, more engaged President. The country need and deserves it.

[picnroll]

more fake news quoting that dude in Florida..

The 3M masks were manufactured in China and China basically nationalized the plant for their own use.
Swing and a miss.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/02/facebook-posts/yes-us-shipped-donated-personal-protective-equipme/

[clambake]

cowboy stirring the dosage for your consumption

[Spurs Homer]

LMAO February 5th? Who were they gonna buy it from then? China was sucking up all their production.

first you blame congress- in your never-ending quest to fellate trump

then you are given proof congress tried and is not to blame

so you move goalposts

to continue your disgusting trump fellating

[clambake]

Cowboy can’t last 6 weeks without a handout, but you can trust him lol

[picnroll]

It’s about 100% executive branch fault. Single by far greatest failure that has led to this shit show is lack of testing which could have arrested spread early on. Testing was the responsibility of the CDC. CDC is under the guidance of Trash’s executive branch. Rather than seeing where the DOW is every day, watching the news every day to line up his twitter feed and figuring out when his next golf outing would be Trash should have paid attention to, been monitoring the real emerging crisis. Plenty of experts were pointing out the potential disaster. When the testing sites were reporting failures in testing, if he wasn’t asleep at the wheel and knew how critical testing was, he would have made the appropriate and necessary adjustments to regulations to unleash the commercial labs very, very quickly Meanwhile he would have been aware of of what supplies would be necessary to enable testing by the commercial labs which ultimately would have been necessary one way or the other and begun to procure them. We need a better, more intelligent, more engaged President. The country need and deserves it.

[TimDunkem]

Cowboy can’t last 6 weeks without a handout, but you can trust him lol

Doesn't sound very fiscally conservative. Where was the rainy day fund? Shouldn't have been living beyond your means if you can't last six weeks.

[boutons_deux]

" Single by far greatest failure that has led to this shit show is lack of testing"

Predating testing what the fatal-for-1000s-of-Americans was Trash's ignorinn in DECEMBER the reports from the American contingent working with WHO in Geneva.

Trash LIED, Trash's pandemic disables and kills 10Ks of Americans.

The Trash's 10/10 massacre continues.

[CosmicCowboy]

Swing and a miss.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/02/facebook-posts/yes-us-shipped-donated-personal-protective-equipme/

Might want to read your own article


The materials sent to China, Pompeo said, were donated by Samaritan’s Purse, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and other private organizations. Boeing and Intermountain Healthcare were also involved, according to a Feb. 15 State Department press release.

[CosmicCowboy]

first you blame congress- in your never-ending quest to fellate trump

then you are given proof congress tried and is not to blame

so you move goalposts

to continue your disgusting trump fellating

You should educate yourself and quit being stupid.. Congress appropriates money, not the President. that is an undeniable fact. It has nothing to do with "defending" Trump.

[CosmicCowboy]

Doesn't sound very fiscally conservative. Where was the rainy day fund? Shouldn't have been living beyond your means if you can't last six weeks.

This shit is gonna last a lot longer than 8 weeks.

[spurraider21]

https://dmn-dallas-news-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer/yTjC8st2qD1JghLX5J_NsSw4K7c=/1660x934/smart/filters:no_upscale()/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-dmn.s3.amazonaws.com/public/SZ76RQ2JEFGL3NZJWJFAHBXGRQ.jpg
:lmao the names on the sign on the left

[ChumpDumper]

THE PARTISAN CORONAVIRUS BLAME GAME escalated over the weekend with the release of a blistering attack ad and a number of media appearances in which lawmakers sought to color the public’s perception of how we arrived at 40,000 coronavirus fatalities and who should be held responsible at the polls in November.



The Biden campaign released an attack ad on Saturday that will run online in the battleground states of Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Arizona, North Carolina and Florida. “When Trump rolled over for the Chinese, he took their word for it. Trump praised the Chinese 15 times in January and February as the coronavirus spread across the world,” the narrator says as images of Trump tweets and quotes appear on screen. The ad is the first major salvo in Biden’s efforts to cast the Trump campaign as woefully unprepared to meet the moment. For the next six months we can expect Biden to talk of little else.



On January 31, the day the White House announced that it would bar foreign nationals who had visited China in the previous two weeks from entering the U.S., Biden accused Trump of responding to the crisis with “hysterical xenophobia.” The Biden campaign later came out in favor of the travel restriction and now says the xenophobia remark was not made in reference to that specific decision.



House Speaker Nancy Pelosi also entered the fray on Sunday, slamming the administration’s efforts during an appearance on Fox News Sundays with Chris Wallace. “The president gets an F, a failure, on the testing,” Pelosi said. Wallace responded by charging Pelosi with hypocrisy, citing her decision to take a walking tour of San Francisco’s Chinatown in late February, three weeks after Trump announced the China travel restrictions. Following the tour, Pelosi held a press conference to assure her constituents that “everything is fine” and urged them to “come to Chinatown.”



“If the president underplayed the threat in the early days, Speaker Pelosi, didn’t you as well?” Wallace asked.



“No!” Pelosi replied. “What we were trying to do is end the discrimination, the stigma that was going out against the Asian-American community and in fact, if you will look, the record will show that our Chinatown has been a model of containing and preventing the virus, and I’m confident in our folks there and thought it was necessary to offset some of the things that the president and others were saying about Asian-Americans and making them a target. A target of violence across the country.”



Representative Dan Crenshaw offered a word in defense of the administration during a Friday appearance on Real Time With Bill Maher. The Texas Republican pushed back on Maher’s claim that the administration was slow to respond to the outbreak relative to other countries, and argued that many of the same people who criticized Trump’s China travel ban in February are now criticizing him for not being more restrictive.



“He lies about that,” Maher said, pointing out that some 40,000 travelers entered the country from China after the restrictions were put in place — the same line of attack featured in Biden’s campaign ad. “He said he stopped people coming in from China and he did not.”



“Look, let me address that,” Crenshaw said. “These were U.S. citizens and passport holders and green card holders being repatriated — U.S. citizens. So, you have to make the argument then that we shouldn’t allow them in. It sounds to me like you’re fully agreeing with President Trump on this when everybody else disagreed with him. And if you’re saying that you wish that travel restriction had been more extreme, okay fine, you apparently had the foresight when nobody else did.”



With the exception of Senator Tom Cotton (R., Ark.) and a handful of China hawks in the House, everyone on Capitol Hill and in the administration was slow to realize the scale of the threat facing America and the world. This universal lack of preparedness was in no small part due to the fact that our elected leaders were taking their cues from a World Health Organization that was parroting the Beijing party line. Considering the monumental level of spin Americans are about to be subjected to, it’s worth remembering who said what and when.Got a link to this screed?

[DMC]

Cowboy can’t last 6 weeks without a handout, but you can trust him lol

Your next valuable take will be your first one.

[DMC]

It’s about 100% executive branch fault. Single by far greatest failure that has led to this shit show is lack of testing which could have arrested spread early on. Testing was the responsibility of the CDC. CDC is under the guidance of Trash’s executive branch. Rather than seeing where the DOW is every day, watching the news every day to line up his twitter feed and figuring out when his next golf outing would be Trash should have paid attention to, been monitoring the real emerging crisis. Plenty of experts were pointing out the potential disaster. When the testing sites were reporting failures in testing, if he wasn’t asleep at the wheel and knew how critical testing was, he would have made the appropriate and necessary adjustments to regulations to unleash the commercial labs. Meanwhile he would have been aware of of what supplies would be necessary to enable testing by the commercial labs which ultimately would have been necessary one way or the other and begun to procure them. We need a better, more intelligent, more engaged President. The country need and deserves it.

I'll say the executive branch dithered. That should be sufficient for winehole. You can have that, I'll take Democrat 70% responsibility for lack of PPE, Republicans 30% responsibility.

[Th'Pusher]

You lot are so focused on me it's amusing. Why do you care what I think?

I’m not focused on you. I was reading your discussion with EN and got slightly annoyed you wouldn’t address two of his points head on. You still haven’t btw.

EN is about the straightest shooter in the PF. He’s lambasting the administration for their ineptitude as well he should. All you’ve done is fumble around and say the feds suck. Not this administration of course, but the federal government in general. You whine about scoreboards and team sports but you play them just like the next guy.

[boutons_deux]

https://media.tenor.com/images/3ac080effe1398c20b58462eaa2068f7/tenor.gif

[ChumpDumper]

I'll say the executive branch dithered.Did Trump dither?

[DMC]

I’m not focused on you. I was reading your discussion with EN and got slightly annoyed you wouldn’t address two of his points head on. You still haven’t btw.

EN is about the straightest shooter in the PF. He’s lambasting the administration for their ineptitude as well he should. All you’ve done is fumble around and say the feds suck. Not this administration of course, but the federal government in general. You whine about scoreboards and team sports but you play them just like the next guy.

You're just trying to get me to say a team sucks. I think the entire game sucks. I don't watch soccer so if you ask me which team sucks the worst, I don't know, the whole fucking game is poverty ball. I think the whole shitshow in Washington is fucked.

I don't really care if it annoys you or not.

[CosmicCowboy]

Got a link to this screed?

:lmao

The Chump shtick.

"I can't argue any of the points made so I'll attack the source as not credible"

it was printed in the National Review, hardly a pro-Trump publication.

[clambake]

Your next valuable take will be your first one.

I’m just whale watching, humpback

Now get back in there and finish dale’s leftovers

[TSA]

https://mobile.twitter.com/HelenBranswell/status/1252214723736743943

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao

The Chump shtick.

"I can't argue any of the points made so I'll attack the source as not credible"

it was printed in the National Review, hardly a pro-Trump publication.Pretty partisan though, as was the article.

Any publication trying to pimp Tom Cotton and his conspiracy theories is worthy of all the :lols

Your shtick is hiding your sources.

[picnroll]

I'll say the executive branch dithered. That should be sufficient for winehole. You can have that, I'll take Democrat 70% responsibility for lack of PPE, Republicans 30% responsibility.

PPE should be managed primarily through the national stockpile. States should Not carry the bulk of the inventory, not cost effective or efficient. Federal can get better price and manage and move supplies around the country most effectively except of course if you appoint the renowned supply chain manager Jared to be in charge. The stockpile has been underfunded and undersupplied progressive for years, more so under Trump. You want to give Trump a pass because Obama didn’t do iteither. When your son little Billy doesn’t do his homework and says “yeah but Johnny didn’t do it either” do you give him a pass? We need a better leader.

[CosmicCowboy]

Pretty partisan though, as was the article.

Any publication trying to pimp Tom Cotton and his conspiracy theories is worthy of all the :lols

Your shtick is hiding your sources.

I gave you my source. As predicted, you didn't refute a single point in the article, just claimed the source was partisan as if it couldn't be true.

[CosmicCowboy]

Also, your beef with Cotton is interesting. He was one of the first in Government to recognize the potential threat. On January 22, one day before the Chinese government began a quarantine of Wuhan to contain the spread of the virus, he sent a letter to Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar encouraging the Trump administration to consider banning travel between China and the United States and warning that the Communist regime could be covering up how dangerous the disease really was. That same day, he amplified his warnings on Twitter and in an appearance on the radio program of Fox & Friends host Brian Kilmeade. Those are all facts that can be easily verified.

[Spurs Homer]

You should educate yourself and quit being stupid.. Congress appropriates money, not the President. that is an undeniable fact. It has nothing to do with "defending" Trump.

exactly

and when Congress and the WH had an APPROPRIATIONS meeting

the WH officially stated that they had ENOUGH resources $$ to handle the incoming pandemic

enough PPE and other necessary items



but you dont want to hear that the WH deliberately dropped the fucking ball even after Congress spoon-fed their incompetent ass

hecause you cannot remove trumps balls from your throat

[ChumpDumper]

Also, your beef with Cotton is interesting. He was one of the first in Government to recognize the potential threat. On January 22, one day before the Chinese government began a quarantine of Wuhan to contain the spread of the virus, he sent a letter to Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar encouraging the Trump administration to consider banning travel between China and the United States and warning that the Communist regime could be covering up how dangerous the disease really was. That same day, he amplified his warnings on Twitter and in an appearance on the radio program of Fox & Friends host Brian Kilmeade. Those are all facts that can be easily verified.Yep, that's the motte. His bailey is intimating the virus was a Chinese bioweapon. You are all over conservative media tho.

[ChumpDumper]

I gave you my source. As predicted, you didn't refute a single point in the article, just claimed the source was partisan as if it couldn't be true.Now you can post all the examples of partisan attacks from Trump and the GOP. National Review has cataloged all of those right?

[DMC]

PPE should be managed primarily through the national stockpile. States should Not carry the bulk of the inventory, not cost effective or efficient. Federal can get better price and manage and move supplies around the country most effectively except of course if you appoint the renowned supply chain manager Jared to be in charge. The stockpile has been underfunded and undersupplied progressive for years, more so under Trump. You want to give Trump a pass because Obama didn’t do iteither. When your son little Billy doesn’t do his homework and says “yeah but Johnny didn’t do it either” do you give him a pass? We need a better leader.

You start out with some salient points and then you quickly deteriorate into proselytizng political mumbo jumbo bullshit. I get it it's an election year but I'm not here to look at your pamphlets.

[ChumpDumper]

You start out with some salient points and then you quickly deteriorate into proselytizng political mumbo jumbo bullshit.Did Trump dither?

Yes or no.

[DMC]

Did Trump dither?

Yes or no.

:lol when I narrow it down to administrations and give the Democrats 70% of the responsibility and the Republicans 30% of the responsibility, you want to add Congress to try to offset that 70%. However when you want to assign blame you say Trump. I will give Trump 30% of the responsibility of the entire PPE debacle where Administrations are concerned.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol when I narrow it down to administrations and give the Democrats 70% of the responsibility and the Republicans 30% of the responsibility, you want to add Congress to try to offset that 70%. However when you want to assign blame you say Trump. I will give Trump 30% of the responsibility of the entire PPE debacle where Administrations are concerned.Sorry, you said the executive branch dithered. It's your characterization.

I'm asking you a simple yes or no question about the current chief executive.

Did Trump dither?

Yes or no.

[Play Boban]

Liberate Texas

[DMC]

Technically and to be fair, the Obama Administration should actually have a higher percentage of the responsibility since they're the ones who used the PPE in the first place then for seven years never back filled.

[DMC]

Sorry, you said the executive branch dithered. It's your characterization.

Did Trump dither?

Yes or no.

30% Dithering

[ChumpDumper]

Technically and to be fair, the Obama Administration should actually have a higher percentage of the responsibility since they're the ones who used the PPE in the first place then for seven years never back filled.Did Trump dither?

Yes or no.

[ChumpDumper]

30% DitheringThat's not a yes or no.

Did Trump dither?

Yes or no.

You were able to say it for an entire branch of government.

[DMC]

30% Dithering


Did Trump dither?

Yes or no.

Rapid fire melting down poster can't wait one second for a response.

[picnroll]

You start out with some salient points and then you quickly deteriorate into proselytizng political mumbo jumbo bullshit. I get it it's an election year but I'm not here to look at your pamphlets.

What mambo jumbo? If this had occurred in Obama’s watch he should be held accountable too. Maybe we should have seen if Gates wanted the job? There are three major threats to humanity, a x virus, a meteorite and an all out nuclear war. Zombies if your TGY. Unlike a minority of deniers global warming will also raise havoc imo. Any and every president should be attuned and prepared. I bet the US feds spends more money scanning for meteors than being prepared for a 1918 type pandemic.

[DMC]

That's not a yes or no.

Did Trump dither?

Yes or no.

You were able to say it for an entire branch of government.

This isn't Burger King you don't get it your way.

[ChumpDumper]

Rapid fire melting down poster can't wait one second for a response.That's not a yes or no.

Did Trump dither?

Yes or no.

[CosmicCowboy]

Yep, that's the motte. His bailey is intimating the virus was a Chinese bioweapon. You are all over conservative media tho.
l
We will never know where it really came from. An accidental release from the Wuhan lab is certainly possible. As to your claim I am "all over" conservative media, I am an avid reader and get my information from a large variety of sources including "liberal" as well as "conservative" sources and everything in between. I have especially tried to keep up on all things virus as it clearly affects my livelihood and the lives of my employees and their families.

[ChumpDumper]

This isn't Burger King you don't get it your way.
You're trying to have it your way.

Did Trump dither?

Yes or no.

[DMC]

What mambo jumbo? If this had occurred in Obama’s watch he should be held accountable too. Maybe we should have seen if Gates wanted the job? There are three major threats to humanity, a x virus, a meteorite and an all out nuclear war. Zombies if your TGY. Any and every president should be attuned and prepared. I bet the US feds spends more money scanning for meteors than being prepared for a 1918 type pandemic.

Okay please point me to the thread that chastises the Obama administration for not backfilling PPE after using so much of it and allowing it to dwindle to low levels when they had a hundred and forty million masks and seven years to backfill. I'll wait... (final Jeopardy theme here)

[ChumpDumper]

Okay please point me to the thread that chastises the Obama administration for not backfilling PPE after using so much of it and allowing it to dwindle to low levels when they had a hundred and forty million masks and seven years to backfill. I'll wait... (final Jeopardy theme here):lol DMC demands to have it his way.

Did Trump dither?

Yes or no.

[DMC]

:lol DMC demands to have it his way.

Did Trump dither?

Yes or no.

It must really chap your hide that you've dug that up for me. It was in your article that the Obama Administration sat on that for 7 years after pilfering it. You didn't expect to see that one coming did you and you've been reeling ever since. You've fallen into your autistic screeching meme of yes or no auto answer.

[ChumpDumper]

It must really chap your hide that you've dug that up for me. It was in your article that the Obama Administration sat on that for 7 years after pilfering it. You didn't expect to see that one coming did you and you've been reeling ever since. You've fallen into your autistic screeching meme of yes or no auto answer.Nah, I knew all about the history of the stockpile.

Now I'm just finding out how many backflips you'll do to protect Trump for whatever reason. It's like your very existence depends on not answering this simple question with a yes or no.

Did Trump dither?

Yes or no.

[DMC]

Sure.

I was unaware of it. As were you. Trump was warned to stockpile PPE a few times in the past couple years.

It's not rope. It is a stockpile of masks.

Are you better equipped for a pandemic with 12 million masks or 104+ million masks?


Nah, I knew all about the history of the stockpile.

Now I'm just finding out how many backflips you'll do to protect Trump for whatever reason. It's like your very existence depends on not answering this simple question with a yes or no.

Did Trump dither?

Yes or no.

:lmao

Liar

[DMC]

Chumpy's rapid response meme broke. He's now in recovery mode and he's typing up a bullshit response.

He is strongly considering sticking with the yes or no approach and ignoring all this.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao

LiarYou left ouit your post.

But after the H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009, which triggered a nationwide shortage of masks and caused a 2- to 3-year backlog orders for the N95 variety, the stockpile distributed about three-quarters of its inventory and didn’t build back the supply.

Weren't the Dems in charge then?

Where's the threads highlighting the outcry from then?

Adequate is adequate, there's not more or less. If you need 12 feet of rope to reach something, 8 feet isn't more adequate than 3 feet. You still cannot reach it.

:lmao

Liar. Just another backflip.

Did Trump dither?

Yes or no.

[picnroll]

Okay please point me to the thread that chastises the Obama administration for not backfilling PPE after using so much of it and allowing it to dwindle to low levels when they had a hundred and forty million masks and seven years to backfill. I'll wait... (final Jeopardy theme here)
Never posted in the politics threads until recently. I Was and am certainly with Gates on the inevitability of a bad pandemic. We had some near misses because of low transmission rate viruses. Next one could be like this but with a delayed but even higher mortality rate.

To show you my attunidness I got masks and stocked up on Jan 12. I made hater look like a Piker.

[ChumpDumper]

Chumpy's rapid response meme broke. He's now in recovery mode and he's typing up a bullshit response.

He is strongly considering sticking with the yes or no approach and ignoring all this.:lol DMC will rely on narrative and personal attacks from now on.

All he has to do is answer yes or no.

Why can't he just do that?

[DMC]

Chumpy's rapid response meme broke. He's now in recovery mode and he's typing up a bullshit response.

He is strongly considering sticking with the yes or no approach and ignoring all this.


You left ouit your post.


:lmao

Liar. Just another backflip.

Did Trump dither?

Yes or no.

:lmao 2.0

[DMC]

Never posted in the politics threads until recently. I Was and am certainly with Gates on the inevitability of a bad pandemic. We had some near misses because of low transmission rate viruses. Next one could be like this but with a delayed but even higher mortality rate.

So you're a doctor but PPE never concerned you during the Obama Administration?

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao 2.0I addressed your lie.

All you have to do is answer with a yes or no.

Did Trump dither?

Yes or no.

[Th'Pusher]

You're just trying to get me to say a team sucks. I think the entire game sucks. I don't watch soccer so if you ask me which team sucks the worst, I don't know, the whole fucking game is poverty ball. I think the whole shitshow in Washington is fucked.

I don't really care if it annoys you or not.

Do you contribute to the ST Soccer forum? honest question.

[DMC]

Do you contribute to the ST Soccer forum? honest question.

If you think it's a contribution to play fan to one party or another then that's your shortcoming not mine.

[clambake]

If you think it's a contribution to play fan to one party or another then that's your shortcoming not mine.

Serious question, where is the free krill line?

[DMC]

Serious question, where is the free krill line?

Bend over, I'll show you a batch of swimmers.

[clambake]

Bend over, I'll show you a batch of swimmers.

lol that was pretty good

bravo!

[Th'Pusher]

.

[Th'Pusher]

If you think it's a contribution to play fan to one party or another then that's your shortcoming not mine.

Look, I don’t need to get you to say something bad about team trump. You’re on record saying you think his response to the pandemic, although not what you’d have done, was good; a sentiment that is laughable on its face by any objective observer.

While you supposedly hate them both, I’m not going to bother searching, but my guess is you have next to zero posts in the soccer forum, but probably 1000 or more in the political forum, a good percentage of which are deriding THE LEFT!

You’re a political hack driven primarily by your personal misreading of the second amendment. The fact that you’ve hitched your political wagon to a president whose emotional response to the Parkland massacre was to trample on your “2nd amendment right”, right up until the Wayne La Pierre jerked his chain back in line is amusing. To try and present yourself as an honest broker is a joke.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/GregAbbott_TX/status/1252438932748480518?s=19

:tu

[Blake]

Look, I don’t need to get you to say something bad about team trump. You’re on record saying you think his response to the pandemic, although not what you’d have done, was good; a sentiment that is laughable on its face by any objective observer.

While you supposedly hate them both, I’m not going to bother searching, but my guess is you have next to zero posts in the soccer forum, but probably 1000 or more in the political forum, a good percentage of which are deriding THE LEFT!

You’re a political hack driven primarily by your personal misreading of the second amendment. The fact that you’ve hitched your political wagon to a president whose emotional response to the Parkland massacre was to trample on your “2nd amendment right”, right up until the Wayne La Pierre jerked his chain back in line is amusing. To try and present yourself as an honest broker is a joke.

:lol the honest broker bit is funny

[Blake]

https://twitter.com/GregAbbott_TX/status/1252438932748480518?s=19

:tu

Oh neat he's gonna appoint the guy that had to close his doors on Barnacle Bill's with no notice to employees when they showed up that morning expecting to work

[ChumpDumper]

Oh neat he's gonna appoint the guy that had to close his doors on Barnacle Bill's with no notice to employees when they showed up that morning expecting to workStill don't know what they're supposed to be striking.

[Th'Pusher]

https://twitter.com/GregAbbott_TX/status/1252438932748480518?s=19

:tu

Bill Miller is horrible

[boutons_deux]

Bill Miller is horrible

below avg comfort food on styrofoam plates and plastic utensils, indoor picnic-ing, which is what many Texans consider "cuisine"

As with Jim's, Bill Miller inheritors are sucking $100Ms out of their cash cows while skipping on investment and maintenance.

[ElNono]

Bill Miller is horrible

dunno what happened to that place... didn't used to be that terrible, but last time I stopped by was probably my last time

[CosmicCowboy]

below avg comfort food on styrofoam plates and plastic utensils, indoor picnic-ing, which is what many Texans consider "cuisine"

As with Jim's, Bill Miller inheritors are sucking $100Ms out of their cash cows while skipping on investment and maintenance.

shows how little you know. They are building a brand new commisary for their food production.

[DMC]

Look, I don’t need to get you to say something bad about team trump. You’re on record saying you think his response to the pandemic, although not what you’d have done, was good; a sentiment that is laughable on its face by any objective observer.

While you supposedly hate them both, I’m not going to bother searching, but my guess is you have next to zero posts in the soccer forum, but probably 1000 or more in the political forum, a good percentage of which are deriding THE LEFT!

You’re a political hack driven primarily by your personal misreading of the second amendment. The fact that you’ve hitched your political wagon to a president whose emotional response to the Parkland massacre was to trample on your “2nd amendment right”, right up until the Wayne La Pierre jerked his chain back in line is amusing. To try and present yourself as an honest broker is a joke.

tl;dr meltdown


Find someone else to play with.

[Winehole23]

:lol the honest broker bit is funnyI HATE EM ALL, BUT I ONLY CRITICIZE THE LIBS HERE. I WOULDN'T WANT TO ADVANCE "THE NARRATIVE."

[Winehole23]

Dan Patrick went in Fox yesterday to explain how it is the duty of Texans to die to save the economy:


“I’m sorry to say that I was right on this and I’m thankful that now we are now finally beginning to open up Texas and other states because it’s been long overdue,” he told interview host Tucker Carlson.

“What I said when I was with you that night is there are more important things than living. And that’s saving this country for my children and my grandchildren and saving this country for all of us,” Patrick said. “I don’t want to die, nobody wants to die, but man we’ve got to take some risks and get back in the game and get this country back up and running.”https://www.texastribune.org/2020/04/21/texas-dan-patrick-economy-coronavirus/

[Spurs Homer]

Dan Patrick went in Fox yesterday to explain how it is the duty of Texans to die to save the economy:

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/04/21/texas-dan-patrick-economy-coronavirus/


would you say that

proclaiming your ideology is worth more than living-

confirms that someone is brainwashed?


seems self-evident to me...

[ChumpDumper]

would you say that

proclaiming your ideology is worth more than living-

confirms that someone is brainwashed?


seems self-evident to me...It's almost as if shock jocks and reality game show hosts aren't the best choices for executive leadership.

[Spurs Homer]

It's almost as if shock jocks and reality game show hosts aren't the best choices for executive leadership.

self-evident!

[boutons_deux]

It's almost as if shock jocks and reality game show hosts aren't the best choices for executive leadership.

"Maybe Something Else Sucks Around Here" -- G Carlin

[Chris]

Bill Miller is horrible

Good price and terrific iced tea I disagree

[baseline bum]

Bill Miller is horrible

I like their fried chicken, but that's fucking lunacy to be pushing opening up restaurant dining rooms this early in the pandemic where it's pretty doubtful even 5% of Texas' population has had SARSCov2. I don't like boycotting places for politics but guess I will be done with Bill Miller for good here.

[ChumpDumper]

I like their fried chicken, but that's fucking lunacy to be pushing opening up restaurant dining rooms this early in the pandemic where it's pretty doubtful even 5% of Texas' population has had SARSCov2. I don't like boycotting places for politics but guess I will be done with Bill Miller for good here.I asked the restaurant guy if we should reopen the restaurants. Restaurant guy said yes and he knows restaurants, so we're opening the restaurants! Strike Force!

[Blake]

:lol STRIKE FORCE ASSEMBLE

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/GregAbbott_TX/status/1252794422703595522?s=19

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/GregAbbott_TX/status/1252794422703595522?s=19Nice thorough and specific plan.

[Chris]

Nice thorough and specific plan.

Bend over, I'll show you thorough and specific.

[ChumpDumper]

Bend over, I'll show you thorough and specific.Not a plan.

[DarrinS]

If you're here, every hour of every day, posting about drumpf, you'll probably be okay (chump).

[ChumpDumper]

If you're here, every hour of every day, posting about drumpf, you'll probably be okay (chump).You're the only one who calls him that tbh.

We're binging Modern Family.

Ever learn what the plan is?

Metrics?

Anything?

[DarrinS]

You're the only one who calls him that tbh.

We're binging Modern Family.

Ever learn what the plan is?

Metrics?

Anything?


You'll be fine, Karen.

[ChumpDumper]

You'll be fine, Karen.I'll take that as no and no.

Ever figure out how many deaths you're good with?

Do you think about this at all?

[baseline bum]

Ever learn what the plan is?

We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas

[Blake]

Bend over, I'll show you thorough and specific.

Chris endorsing sodomy again

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/GregAbbott_TX/status/1253061628976824331?s=19

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/GregAbbott_TX/status/1253061628976824331?s=19I've been hearing good things about telehaircuts.

[Blake]

https://twitter.com/GregAbbott_TX/status/1253061628976824331?s=19

But what about tattoo parlors?

I'm asking for a friend, thx

[midnightpulp]

Texas is just not getting hit by this thing. One of the lowest death-per-million ratios in the country. And that's with their response being pretty shit. Either they aren't testing the deaths or their population density, weather, and other factors are playing a big role. I'll go with the latter.

They probably do have the luxury of a careful opening up, but they need to be prepared to snap back to stay-at-home and closures if cases should spike. This is the strategy the Asian countries are taking.

[ChumpDumper]

Texas is just not getting hit by this thing. One of the lowest death-per-million ratios in the country. And that's with their response being pretty shit. Either they aren't testing the deaths or their population density, weather, and other factors are playing a big role. I'll go with the latter.

They probably do have the luxury of a careful opening up, but they need to be prepared to snap back to stay-at-home and closures if cases should spike. This is the strategy the Asian countries are taking.We have the mayor and judge in Dallas to thank. They started the ball rolling on closures before the shit really hit the fan. Austin and San Antonio followed suit pretty quickly. Houston lagged behind and is paying the price. Rubelandia is probably more vulnerable than it realizes and there will be some pushback if Abbott follows through with keeping restrictions in some counties in the panhandle, etc.

[Blake]

Texas is just not getting hit by this thing. One of the lowest death-per-million ratios in the country. And that's with their response being pretty shit. Either they aren't testing the deaths or their population density, weather, and other factors are playing a big role. I'll go with the latter.

I'll go with population density being the biggest factor

[DMC]

Texas is just not getting hit by this thing. One of the lowest death-per-million ratios in the country. And that's with their response being pretty shit. Either they aren't testing the deaths or their population density, weather, and other factors are playing a big role. I'll go with the latter.

They probably do have the luxury of a careful opening up, but they need to be prepared to snap back to stay-at-home and closures if cases should spike. This is the strategy the Asian countries are taking.

Look at the test per 1 million, close to the bottom.

[ElNono]

Dan Patrick went in Fox yesterday to explain how it is the duty of Texans to die to save the economy:

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/04/21/texas-dan-patrick-economy-coronavirus/

If it would only be his life, I wouldn't have a problem with it, tbh... the issue is they infect other people...

[vy65]

We have the mayor and judge in Dallas to thank. They started the ball rolling on closures before the shit really hit the fan. Austin and San Antonio followed suit pretty quickly. Houston lagged behind and is paying the price. Rubelandia is probably more vulnerable than it realizes and there will be some pushback if Abbott follows through with keeping restrictions in some counties in the panhandle, etc.

The difference between Austin and Houston is stark. I'll chock it up to communal death instinct with the energy sector being fucked and unfuckable.

[ChumpDumper]

The difference between Austin and Houston is stark. I'll chock it up to communal death instinct with the energy sector being fucked and unfuckable.Yeah, guess we'd have to go back to first reported cases and go from there to do more of a one-to-one comparison. The capacity for many to work from home here might have something to do with it.

[vy65]

Yeah, guess we'd have to go back to first reported cases and go from there to do more of a one-to-one comparison. The capacity for many to work from home here might have something to do with it.

I actually disagree. This may be a self-selecting cohort issue, but everyone in my work world has the ability to work from home. Courts are closed and are doing telephonic/zoom hearings. But a lot of attorneys are actually going to work because fuck it. Austin's paternalism vs. Houston's don't-give-a-fuck approach has everything to do with it, in my uninformed/off the cuff view.

[ChumpDumper]

I actually disagree. This may be a self-selecting cohort issue, but everyone in my work world has the ability to work from home. Courts are closed and are doing telephonic/zoom hearings. But a lot of attorneys are actually going to work because fuck it. Austin's paternalism vs. Houston's don't-give-a-fuck approach has everything to do with it, in my uninformed/off the cuff view.I do think some of the problem can be chalked up to the arrogance of privilege and youth up here. The degree of each I couldn't say.

[KobesAchilles]

I actually disagree. This may be a self-selecting cohort issue, but everyone in my work world has the ability to work from home. Courts are closed and are doing telephonic/zoom hearings. But a lot of attorneys are actually going to work because fuck it. Austin's paternalism vs. Houston's don't-give-a-fuck approach has everything to do with it, in my uninformed/off the cuff view.
They just issued an order telling us that we need to wear masks out in public or else face a fine and the police department immediately sent out a tweet saying “nah Holmes we ain’t gonna enforce shit” :lol

Nobody in Houston is taking this seriously. Traffic is back up to how it used to be and no one is staying inside anymore

[baseline bum]

They just issued an order telling us that we need to wear masks out in public or else face a fine and the police department immediately sent out a tweet saying “nah Holmes we ain’t gonna enforce shit” :lol

Nobody in Houston is taking this seriously. Traffic is back up to how it used to be and no one is staying inside anymore

Can you blame them for wanting to go out? Houston is beautiful when it's in the 90s with dewpoints in the 100s.

[Blake]

Can you blame them for wanting to go out? Houston is beautiful when it's in the 90s with dewpoints in the 100s.

Lol. And mosquitos the size of helicopters

[SnakeBoy]

Do you know how accurate the test you took is thought to be?


This is what is interesting.

This test should really be used to tell if a person has had, not has the disease.
Assume Snake had the disease. He should test positive if he has a good titer ( conc Of Ab)
If he had the disease it would be interesting to see how often after the disease he continues to test positive. We really don’t know how well people are protected from future infection based on what we know about the immune response. Theoretically, if his Ab titer went way down, as long as he had enough memory cells to make more Ab to the virus, he would be fine.

Now the viral dosage comes into play. If he had a very low concentration of Ab, but did have memory cells, it might not be good enough to stave off a large viral dose that then replicated quickly. The diseases that give us active immunity for a lifetime are slow replicating and cause our bodies to keep a sufficient number of memory cells for a lifetime. The vaccines therefore work very well. A few, like tetanus(not viral), need a booster to keep our memory cell concentration high enough.

It would be of interest to keep testing people like Snake if he tests +

Finally heard back from STBTC. Had it but I'm not COVIDY enough to donate plasma so just donating blood instead.

"The results for your sample reported by the lab for the minimum 1:80 titer requirement set forth by the FDA has fallen below this cut-off. Covid antibodies are detected in your sample but not at a high enough titer that permits a plasma collection for COVID patients."

[baseline bum]

Finally heard back from STBTC. Had it but I'm not COVIDY enough to donate plasma so just donating blood instead.

"The results for your sample reported by the lab for the minimum 1:80 titer requirement set forth by the FDA has fallen below this cut-off. Covid antibodies are detected in your sample but not at a high enough titer that permits a plasma collection for COVID patients."

Damn was hoping your COVID antibody count would be high after two weeks of being sick.

[SnakeBoy]

Damn was hoping your COVID antibody count would be high after two weeks of being sick.

Could mean a lot of things though. Antibody levels could drop quickly or since I was never deathly ill it could mean it just wasn't a big enough deal to my body.

Quest started antibody testing today and wife is getting tested tomorrow. So interested to see her actual lab results. Kind of sucks STBTC doesn't give the actual lab results.

[baseline bum]

Could mean a lot of things though. Antibody levels could drop quickly or since I was never deathly ill it could mean it just wasn't a big enough deal to my body.

Quest started antibody testing today and wife is getting tested tomorrow. So interested to see her actual lab results. Kind of sucks STBTC doesn't give the actual lab results.

You got pretty fucked up though didn't you? Didn't you say your wife found you passed out or something and that you couldn't stand without falling over? Damn sucks that that's the mild case.

[SnakeBoy]

You got pretty fucked up though didn't you? Didn't you say your wife found you passed out or something and that you couldn't stand without falling over? Damn sucks that that's the mild case.

Yeah sickest I've felt since having a really bad flu like 30 years ago but zero respiratory illness. Then again I rarely even get a cold. All I meant is antibody level could mean a bunch of different things, those were just guesses. They don't know anything about what the levels mean yet.

It does confirm that weebo was right about it spreading in SA since January.

[SnakeBoy]

Texas is just not getting hit by this thing. One of the lowest death-per-million ratios in the country. And that's with their response being pretty shit. Either they aren't testing the deaths or their population density, weather, and other factors are playing a big role. I'll go with the latter.


This Chinese virus does not seem to do well in the presence of the freedom and liberty that Texans enjoy.

[ChumpDumper]

This Chinese virus does not seem to do well in the presence of the freedom and liberty that Texans enjoy.Mostly timely distancing and shelter in place orders.

[pgardn]

Finally heard back from STBTC. Had it but I'm not COVIDY enough to donate plasma so just donating blood instead.

"The results for your sample reported by the lab for the minimum 1:80 titer requirement set forth by the FDA has fallen below this cut-off. Covid antibodies are detected in your sample but not at a high enough titer that permits a plasma collection for COVID patients."

Interesting.

Just hope you have memory cells floating around ready.
Bet you do.

Wow.

[pgardn]

Chump

In your city, the Texas Dept of health is gearing up.
They are pulling some of the brighter folks away from other areas and putting them on tracing.
This has nothing to do with ethical issues/personal infringement right now, just deciding how they are going to do it.
Hope they talk with other States.

I have no idea what our testing situation is.
Anyways, we do appear to be taking this seriously and not sitting around.
I have no idea whether this should have already been in place.

[SnakeBoy]

I have no idea what our testing situation is.


No problem getting people tested at my wife's practice last two weeks. Results within 48 hours. Only a few positives, none of her patients though. Big change from a few weeks ago when they couldn't get anybody tested.

[ChumpDumper]

Chump

In your city, the Texas Dept of health is gearing up.
They are pulling some of the brighter folks away from other areas and putting them on tracing.
This has nothing to do with ethical issues/personal infringement right now, just deciding how they are going to do it.
Hope they talk with other States.

I have no idea what our testing situation is.
Anyways, we do appear to be taking this seriously and not sitting around.
I have no idea whether this should have already been in place.Yeah I just saw some mention of it so I'm checking out the COVID site. I've always figured Austin/Travis County/UT would be pretty proactive with testing and tracing as could be possible but if we're an island in a sea of rube local governments that could blunt the effectiveness. The four biggest cities are going to have to lead the way.

[boutons_deux]

Anyways, we do appear to be taking this seriously and not sitting around.
I have no idea whether this should have already been in place.

in last week of April, 100+ days since the shit hit the fan in China

Repug MISgovernance becasue "government is the problem, not the solution" -- RR

and where is Capitalism with its perfect market solution to pandemics? Like USA, Capitalism is a failure For The People.

How much of next $500B will be stolen my big companies and banks?

Guess who will be "auserterity-ed" to pay for the socialism of the oligarchy?

[boutons_deux]

Texas voters overwhelmingly approve of business closures, stay-at-home orders despite blow to state's economy

The poll results come as Gov. Greg Abbott prepares to announce his plans for reopening a wide range of Texas businesses.

Texas' economy is taking a catastrophic hit —

and hundreds of thousands of Texans are out of work —

as officials shutter businesses and limit some establishment's operations to stop the spread of the new coronavirus.

But while Texans' optimism about the state's economy has fallen, they largely support those measures,

Two-thirds ... agree ... to suspend nonessential business operations.

And more than three-quarters ... support orders to stay home except for essential activities.

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/04/26/texas-reopening-coronavirus-poll/

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1254875195640352770?s=19

[CosmicCowboy]

I think they just opened up too much. Hope i'm wrong.

[Blake]

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1254875195640352770?s=19

Stupid

[baseline bum]

I think they just opened up too much. Hope i'm wrong.

At least Abbott broke with Trump on gyms in Phase 1. Gyms are as ridiculous a business as you could think of to be open in a pandemic other than maybe strip clubs / whorehouses.

[baseline bum]

Texas voters overwhelmingly approve of business closures, stay-at-home orders despite blow to state's economy

The poll results come as Gov. Greg Abbott prepares to announce his plans for reopening a wide range of Texas businesses.

Texas' economy is taking a catastrophic hit —

and hundreds of thousands of Texans are out of work —

as officials shutter businesses and limit some establishment's operations to stop the spread of the new coronavirus.

But while Texans' optimism about the state's economy has fallen, they largely support those measures,

Two-thirds ... agree ... to suspend nonessential business operations.

And more than three-quarters ... support orders to stay home except for essential activities.

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/04/26/texas-reopening-coronavirus-poll/




Since when has the peoples' will mattered in this shithole country?

[Blake]

"coronavirus: explained" on Netflix is pretty solid and good info for general public that doesn't understand shit of what's happening.

One part, they showed 1918 flu comparisons between St Louis who closed quickly, flattened the curve and Philly who had a huge parade and the graph spiked.

What was notable though they mentioned St Louis thought everything was cool, reopened and immediately spiked, had to close again

[Xevious]

So we're opening back up on Friday, limit on 25% capacity in most places, but we're removing the mask requirement. This is going to go well. :lol

[RandomGuy]

So we're opening back up on Friday, limit on 25% capacity in most places, but we're removing the mask requirement. This is going to go well. :lol

I am gonna be back in Texas in a couple of weeks. I ain't going no fucking where.

[Blake]

So we're opening back up on Friday, limit on 25% capacity in most places, but we're removing the mask requirement. This is going to go well. :lol

I'll put the over/under at three weeks that we're having to shut things down and wear masks again here in Texas.

[Spurtacular]

I'll put the over/under at three weeks that we're having to shut things down and wear masks again here in Texas.

Via state order? Or can just any locality say people have to wear them?

I'll put the over/over at you did thought this out.

[Spurtacular]

I am gonna be back in Texas in a couple of weeks. I ain't going no fucking where.

:lol The things douche bags say.

[DarrinS]

So we're opening back up on Friday, limit on 25% capacity in most places, but we're removing the mask requirement. This is going to go well. :lol

I didn't hear anything about removing the mask requirements

[DarrinS]

I am gonna be back in Texas in a couple of weeks. I ain't going no fucking where.

Unless you're going to Houston, you'll probably be okay.

You'll probably be okay if you get it. It's not ebola.

[Chris]

So we're opening back up on Friday, limit on 25% capacity in most places, but we're removing the mask requirement. This is going to go well. :lol

we should blame Trump if things go bad :lol

[Xevious]

I didn't hear anything about removing the mask requirements

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/04/27/texas-reopening-coronavirus-greg-abbott/

Abbott said his new order "supersedes all local orders" saying those businesses must remain closed. He also said his order overrules any local government that wants to impose a fine or penalty for not wearing a mask — something the latest statewide rules encourage but do not mandate.

[ElNono]

At least Abbott broke with Trump on gyms in Phase 1. Gyms are as ridiculous a business as you could think of to be open in a pandemic other than maybe strip clubs / whorehouses.

Did he reopen cruise ships yet? Wait, that'd be Florida...

[ElNono]

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/04/27/texas-reopening-coronavirus-greg-abbott/

Abbott said his new order "supersedes all local orders" saying those businesses must remain closed. He also said his order overrules any local government that wants to impose a fine or penalty for not wearing a mask — something the latest statewide rules encourage but do not mandate.

Führer Abbott, tbh, amiright?

[boutons_deux]

Did he reopen cruise ships yet? Wait, that'd be Florida...

Cruise ships used Galvestion, too

[ChumpDumper]

I am gonna be back in Texas in a couple of weeks. I ain't going no fucking where.At least the larger counties have zip code maps that show you where shit is proved to be bad. Some of the discrepancies are jarring.

[Blake]

Via state order? Or can just any locality say people have to wear them?

I'll put the over/over at you did thought this out.

I bet there's a school house Rock YouTube that can answer that for you

[Blake]

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/04/27/texas-reopening-coronavirus-greg-abbott/

Abbott said his new order "supersedes all local orders" saying those businesses must remain closed. He also said his order overrules any local government that wants to impose a fine or penalty for not wearing a mask — something the latest statewide rules encourage but do not mandate.

Abbott should have used the same school house Rock vid that derp needs to watch

[pgardn]

The places I frequent in SA are not going to give up masks now imo.
Its become all the rage. The oddball is the one NOT wearing mask in convenience stores and HEB.
Even outside its fairly frequent.
And people are clearly cognizant of the 6 foot zone. People are dancing around each other politely.
Its good to see people really care.

[Spurtacular]

I bet there's a school house Rock YouTube that can answer that for you

I bet that almost sounded funny in your little cuckold head.

[Xevious]

The places I frequent in SA are not going to give up masks now imo.
Its become all the rage. The oddball is the one NOT wearing mask in convenience stores and HEB.
Even outside its fairly frequent.
And people are clearly cognizant of the 6 foot zone. People are dancing around each other politely.
Its good to see people really care.
From what I understand, businesses can still require that you wear masks in their establishments, but it isn't mandatory that they do.

[phxspurfan]

Visting TX end of May... love it. Coming with mask but will totally enjoy the lake!

[RandomGuy]

At least the larger counties have zip code maps that show you where shit is proved to be bad. Some of the discrepancies are jarring.

Texas is still shit for testing. I think it is absolutely certain it is far more widespread than they know.

[RandomGuy]

Unless you're going to Houston, you'll probably be okay.

You'll probably be okay if you get it. It's not ebola.

It is my asthmatic teenager I worry about more.

[RandomGuy]

:lol The things douche bags say.

Oh, the irony.

Found an interesting video about you. It made me a bit sad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P55t6eryY3g

[Spurtacular]

Oh, the irony.

Found an interesting video about you. It made me a bit sad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P55t6eryY3g

:lol Alt-right is a Clintonian ploy.

#AlwaysWithHer

[RandomGuy]

:lol Alt-right is a Clintonian ploy.

#AlwaysWithHer

Sure thing, Gabe.

[Spurtacular]

Sure thing, Gabe.

Media was the forerunner for the term; and she used it a couple days or so later in a speech that was meant to shame and destroy opposition against her.
For what it's worth, some people took to the term and made mad bucks off of it.

[baseline bum]

He also said his order overrules any local government that wants to impose a fine or penalty for not wearing a mask — something the latest statewide rules encourage but do not mandate.

This fucking faggot. Piece of shit GOP.

[Winehole23]

Unless you're going to Houston, you'll probably be okay.

You'll probably be okay if you get it. It's not ebola.Man, you sure are easygoing about the danger to others. Btw, it's silly to presume yourself safe in Texas because you're not in Houston.

Has Texas seen its peak caseload?

Is Texas still keeping nursing home statistics secret?

[Xevious]

This fucking faggot. Piece of shit GOP.
During their briefing last night, Ron Nirenberg and Nelson Wolff clearly disagreed with it. They confirmed that individuals could not be fined or anything, but said they'd do what they could, like work with businesses to make sure they still were requiring masks inside their establishments.

[TimDunkem]

It's not Ebola...Yeah. It's much more easily transmissible. :lmao Fucking Darrin

[TimDunkem]

I'm already seeing less people wearing masks. None of the cashiers at my 7-Eleven and about half of the customers in there weren't wearing any when everyone was just the day before.

This shouldn't take long to backfire, tbh.

[elbamba1]

The places I frequent in SA are not going to give up masks now imo.
Its become all the rage. The oddball is the one NOT wearing mask in convenience stores and HEB.
Even outside its fairly frequent.
And people are clearly cognizant of the 6 foot zone. People are dancing around each other politely.
Its good to see people really care.

SA is also a Home Rule city which means it arguably has the ability to keep its own regulations, regardless of what the Gov says. The other important thing to take away from Abbot regarding face masks is that I believe he said businesses can still require them. I think the only argument is that people cannot be fined. I think most people will keep the masks for at least another 30 - 45 days regardless of what the government says.

[elbamba1]

From what I understand, businesses can still require that you wear masks in their establishments, but it isn't mandatory that they do.

I read this as well. The only problem is that the ability to fine has been removed and I don't know if a business is going to throw someone out for not wearing a mask. For example, I was at HEB last week and I guy came in wearing a tank top and he tried to just pull it up to cover his face. A worker stopped him in the store but then let him continue to shop.

[boutons_deux]

" to keep its own regulations, regardless of what the Gov says."

can't have Tesla dealers

can't have municipal non-profit data networks

can't regulate rideshare companies

so Home Rule city doesn't appear to have a lot teeth in practice

[elbamba1]

During their briefing last night, Ron Nirenberg and Nelson Wolff clearing disagreed with it. They confirmed that individuals could not be fined or anything, but said they'd do what they could, like work with businesses to make sure they still were requiring masks inside their establishments.

Personally, I think they are playing politics. San Antonio has the authority to self-govern - we can pretty much make our own rules so long as it is a rule that is not prohibited by Texas law. I don't pretend to be an expert on this so if anyone has more info on what limitations we have, i would love to hear it.

If they truly disagreed with Abbott, they would implement their own regulations and stick with them. They don't want to pick a lane so that if it works, they can say they opened up cautiously and to the benefit of SA and if it blows up, they can say they were against it from the beginning.

[elbamba1]

" to keep its own regulations, regardless of what the Gov says."

can't have Tesla dealers

can't have municipal non-profit data networks

can't regulate rideshare companies

so Home Rule city doesn't appear to have a lot teeth in practice




Not sure I completely understand your point. The tools are in place for city officials to exercise their own rules and regulations. I am not saying that there will not be legal battles, but if they wanted to fight back due to the public safety of San Antonio, they have the legal tools to do so.

[Play Boban]

Kiberate Texas!

[boutons_deux]

Not sure I completely understand your point. The tools are in place for city officials to exercise their own rules and regulations. I am not saying that there will not be legal battles, but if they wanted to fight back due to the public safety of San Antonio, they have the legal tools to do so.

I was pointing out where SA Home Rule status has been nullified by those 3 instances.

I don't think SA would spend the $100Ks or more in legal fees to fight Austin over SA citizens' safety.

[Xevious]

Personally, I think they are playing politics. San Antonio has the authority to self-govern - we can pretty much make our own rules so long as it is a rule that is not prohibited by Texas law. I don't pretend to be an expert on this so if anyone has more info on what limitations we have, i would love to hear it.

If they truly disagreed with Abbott, they would implement their own regulations and stick with them. They don't want to pick a lane so that if it works, they can say they opened up cautiously and to the benefit of SA and if it blows up, they can say they were against it from the beginning.
I'm not sure. Abbott's order says that it overrules anything imposed on the local level.

[vy65]

Text of the Executive Order doesn't seem to override local penalties for not using masks, but I only went through it quickly

[CosmicCowboy]

Personally, I think they are playing politics. San Antonio has the authority to self-govern - we can pretty much make our own rules so long as it is a rule that is not prohibited by Texas law. I don't pretend to be an expert on this so if anyone has more info on what limitations we have, i would love to hear it.

If they truly disagreed with Abbott, they would implement their own regulations and stick with them. They don't want to pick a lane so that if it works, they can say they opened up cautiously and to the benefit of SA and if it blows up, they can say they were against it from the beginning.

I would like to see all the big cities tell Abbott...naaa...we are still going to require masks. Even if the masks don't do much good keeping airborne boogie virus out it at least reminds us not to touch our face when out in public.

[elbamba1]

I'm not sure. Abbott's order says that it overrules anything imposed on the local level.

I did see that. I'm simply pointing out that I believe San Antonio officials have the ability to self-govern on this issue, if they really want to. As Boutons said above, they are not likely to spend money making a legal fight.

The cynic in me believes that they are in a win-win from a political standpoint. If everything goes well, they cautiously warned but did not impede the latest order; if things go poorly, its the governors fault. Personally, if they disagree, I would like to see them push back and implement city rules.

[elbamba1]

I would like to see all the big cities tell Abbott...naaa...we are still going to require masks. Even if the masks don't do much good keeping airborne boogie virus out it at least reminds us not to touch our face when out in public.

I agree. I am not as opposed to reopening like most people on here. I will still limit going out to my office and picking up groceries. I will be wearing a mask in public. I think the governor was foolish to drop this requirement.

[RandomGuy]

Media was the forerunner for the term; and she used it a couple days or so later in a speech that was meant to shame and destroy opposition against her.
For what it's worth, some people took to the term and made mad bucks off of it.

Sure thing, Gabe.

Alt right is a good term for the vanilla ISIS.

You should really watch that video. It is actually pretty good.

[RandomGuy]

I'm not sure. Abbott's order says that it overrules anything imposed on the local level.

:lol Local control.

Doesn't get to use that saw again.

[Spurtacular]

Sure thing, Gabe.

Alt right is a good term for the vanilla ISIS.

You should really watch that video. It is actually pretty good.

:lol Beta narrator telling your BS narratives, tbh.

[Spurtacular]

Sure thing, Gabe.

Alt right is a good term for the vanilla ISIS.

You should really watch that video. It is actually pretty good.

:lmao Gay male whining about straight white "cis" men.
:lmao RandomCuck buying propaganda that the opposition cannot think for themselves.

[Spurtacular]

Sure thing, Gabe.

Alt right is a good term for the vanilla ISIS.

You should really watch that video. It is actually pretty good.

:lmao :cry Jordan Peterson is alt-right :cry
:lmao I stopped there for now.
:lmao Random Cuck's echo chamber
:lmao 4Chan the devil.

[elbamba1]

https://www.bexar.org/DocumentCenter/View/26838/Executive-Order-NW-07-Issues-April-29?bidId=

City and County are extending the stay-at-home orders for San Antonio and Bexar County.

[elbamba1]

It looks like the Reopened Services are are exempt so I do am not sure this conflicts with the GA-18. Have not read this in detail though. The City issued a similar order.

[RandomGuy]

:lol Beta narrator telling your BS narratives, tbh.

... and there it is.

Gabe.

[RandomGuy]

Cuck

:lmao

[RandomGuy]

Cuck.

:lmao

Keep saying it. That is how I know you are nervous. It is your tell. And it is hilarious.

[RandomGuy]

https://www.bexar.org/DocumentCenter/View/26838/Executive-Order-NW-07-Issues-April-29?bidId=

City and County are extending the stay-at-home orders for San Antonio and Bexar County.

I wonder how the state order conflicts with this stuff.

Looks like Governor Plaguemonger is going to have a fight with the big cities.

[GAustex]

I wonder how local law enforcement reacts

[Spurtacular]

... and there it is.

Gabe.

WokeGuy

[Spurtacular]

:lmao

Keep saying it. That is how I know you are nervous. It is your tell. And it is hilarious.

It's how I know you're triggered. Your wife came on here and bragged that she does other dudes.

You decided to take the shame and stick around like Blake did. :lmao

[pgardn]

It's how I know you're triggered. Your wife came on here and bragged that she does other dudes.

You decided to take the shame and stick around like Blake (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=3460) did. :lmao

So thats like close to 20 people on this site who have wives that sleep around in your dreams.
This must be heaven for you.

[DMC]

It's how I know you're triggered. Your wife came on here and bragged that she does other dudes.

You decided to take the shame and stick around like Blake did. :lmao

The fuck? :lol

[Spurtacular]

The fuck? :lol


3) RandomGuy - his wife used to post on here promoting open relationships and interracial cuckoldry. generic liberal progressive shill but with a bit more narcissism.

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=252966&highlight=cuckold+rankings

[Spurtacular]

So thats like close to 20 people on this site who have wives that sleep around in your dreams.
This must be heaven for you.

You think I dream about crusty bitches with TDS that insist I fight with my dad?

:lmao

[DMC]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=252966&highlight=cuckold+rankings

gotdam solid shit :lol

[Blake]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=252966&highlight=cuckold+rankings


gotdam solid shit :lol

Why are you guys even here in this forum? Just head back downstairs where you want to be.

[DMC]

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