Texas response to Corona virus

[pgardn]

You don't get it. I explained that I just showed them the raw data collected and comment on the trends of that data. Those are indeed facts.

The bias behind collecting the data used, you are correct, is not a fact.

You have already commented on uncertainty then.
You really dont get this.
Are you some little MS student who has just learned to graph?

And the trends in the data can be extraordinarily subjective unless you use some best fit calculation.
Are you doing this when commenting on trends? They are approximations.

I quit... Im not allowed to leave the phone when the oldren is on...
Prick...

[tholdren]

You have already commented on uncertainty then.
You really dont get this.
Are you some little MS student who has just learned to graph?

And the trends in the data can be extraordinarily subjective unless you use some best fit calculation.
Are you doing this when commenting on trends? They are approximations.

I quit... Im not allowed to leave the phone when the oldren is on...
Prick...
Not with my data. I didn't create the cdc data or the trend
. LollokololI

Pgardn has effectively argued that the cdc and state data is not factual. Lololol

Yet by some unknown reason he believes it.
Bwahahahhahahahahhaha

[ChumpDumper]

He quit. He was trying to get me to say that I was generating data and didn't have error built in. He was too excited that he didn't read that I am only stating facts based on what is reported

I still haven't been proven wrongYou said it's the flu.

Wrong.

[tholdren]

Not with my data. I didn't create the cdc data or the trend
. LollokololI

Pgardn has effectively argued that the cdc and state data is not factual. Lololol

Yet by some unknown reason he believes it.
Bwahahahhahahahahhaha
Pgardn bwahahahahhahahahaha tried to get me to say I was predicting so he could use standard deviation as a reason I was wrong but argued so poorly he admitted the cdc data is inaccurate.


Bwahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahah

[tholdren]

Lol pgardn man you need a math lesson. You're even a notch below RandomGuy bwahahahhahahahhahahahah

[pgardn]

The oldren has added incorrectly on 9 different occasions and had to backtrack.
He cannot do simple math and refuses to answer questions.

This, he does understand.

[tholdren]

The oldren has added incorrectly on 9 different occasions and had to backtrack.
He cannot do simple math and refuses to answer questions.

This, he does understand.

Bqahahahahahahha look at pgardn oh my

[pgardn]

Bqahahahahahahha look at pgardn oh my

Now we get him to level off into a child.

[tholdren]

Now we get him to level off into a child.

Pgardn says that the cdc stats arent accurate and reliable. Yet shockingly he somehow believes it. But does not understand ifr. RandomGuy with lesser math skills.

[pgardn]

Pgardn says that the cdc stats arent accurate and reliable. Yet shockingly he somehow believes it. But does not understand ifr. RandomGuy with lesser math skills.

the oldren cannot add or multiply and does not understand statistics at any level.

The oldren claimed Jews are hoarding gold in Tel Aviv.

[tholdren]

Pgardn says that the cdc stats arent accurate and reliable. Yet shockingly he somehow believes it. But does not understand ifr. RandomGuy with lesser math skills.

Look at pgardn enraged and melting down. Running and hiding from questions. Argued in a completw circle and didn't even realize it. Hysterical.

So twisted he claims he answered in different threads. Don't get owned like pgardn.
Bqahahahhahahahahahahahah

[pgardn]

The oldren is out of control.
Worse than when he claimed there is good evidence from graphs that the moon is man-made.

[tholdren]

Look at pgardn enraged and melting down. Running and hiding from questions. Argued in a completw circle and didn't even realize it. Hysterical.

So twisted he claims he answered in different threads. Don't get owned like pgardn.
Bqahahahhahahahahahahahah

[pgardn]

Repeat please.

[tholdren]

Repeat please.
Lol you lied about answering questions. Gossip girl

[pgardn]

Lol you lied about answering questions. Gossip girl

post again

[tholdren]

post again
Still didn't answer
Back logging data- You have to stay in your house until there are 0 new cases reported, and for 5 following days I give you these case new case counts

3, 7, 9, 1, 9 could you come out of your house?

What if I told you those were all cases that were given to me 7 weeks ago, I just hadn't put them in until those dates?

What does that do to the data? Is it valid? Is it reliable?
What does it do to trend data? Should those numbers be used for policy of keeping me in my home of no dates are given with the case

[koriwhat]

This question is not for you.
This is for the board graphing expert.
It does not in anyway need to be a graph associated with the current situation.

Not for me because I brought up a valid point? Oh I see how this game works...

[TimDunkem]

400+ new positives in SA today. 50 more patients in hospitals and around 10 more on ventilators. Positive rates have gone up from 5 percent to roughly 20 percent over the past few weeks.

It is spreading fast.

[ChumpDumper]

400+ new positives in SA today. 50 more patients in hospitals and around 10 more on ventilators. Positive rates have gone up from 5 percent to roughly 20 percent over the past few weeks.

It is spreading fast.tholdren says it's going down to zero.

[TimDunkem]

tholdren says it's going down to zero.

It's totally just increased testing. Definitely!

At least we have all those NICU and teen behavioral therapy beds.

[Trainwreck2100]

This is all Texas's fault, if we don't test, then we go back to nobody having it, and everyone dying of pneumonia.

[TimDunkem]

Lazy fucks in SA won't answer contact tracers calls. They're making it hard to get a handle on the outbreak.

[slick'81]

Shit has officially hit the fan in texas

[TimDunkem]

Shit has officially hit the fan in texas

Most infections in the country today.

[slick'81]

Most infections in the country today.


Thank you greg abbott

[DarrinS]

From ksat

"The total number of COVID-19 cases in San Antonio and Bexar County continues to rise rapidly with 5,962 total cases reported Friday.

San Antonio Mayor Ron Nirenberg reported 412 new cases with four new deaths. The death count is now at 96. Three of the four people who died were Hispanic women. One was in her 60s, another in her 80s and one in her 90s. A white woman in her 70s also died.

Hospitalizations also continue to rise with 322 patients being treated, up from 55 on Thursday. Of those hospitalized, 101 are in ICU and 50 are on ventilators. There are 25% of staffed hospital beds and 78% of ventilators still available."

[baseline bum]

From ksat

"The total number of COVID-19 cases in San Antonio and Bexar County continues to rise rapidly with 5,962 total cases reported Friday.

San Antonio Mayor Ron Nirenberg reported 412 new cases with four new deaths. The death count is now at 96. Three of the four people who died were Hispanic women. One was in her 60s, another in her 80s and one in her 90s. A white woman in her 70s also died.

Hospitalizations also continue to rise with 322 patients being treated, up from 55 on Thursday. Of those hospitalized, 101 are in ICU and 50 are on ventilators. There are 25% of staffed hospital beds and 78% of ventilators still available."

We must have secured more ventilators from the federal stockpile since I heard we were around 40% usage a couple of days ago. Fuck man that 19% positivity rate the mayor reported 40 minutes ago is terrifying for the city. It ain't good when they're talking about building field hospitals either. :pctoss

[slick'81]

We must have secured more ventilators from the federal stockpile since I heard we were around 40% usage a couple of days ago. Fuck man that 19% positivity rate the mayor reported 40 minutes ago is terrifying for the city. It ain't good when they're talking about building field hospitals either. :pctoss


not surprising at all,tbh

[baseline bum]

not surprising at all,tbh

I'm surprised honestly. I was expecting summer heat to slow it down somewhat. Not to kill it off by any means, but certainly I was expecting it to slow growth a little bit, priming us for a horrendous fall/winter second wave. Damn I just hope as we're getting hammered by this we at least get an antibody resistance for a couple of years.

[slick'81]

I'm surprised honestly. I was expecting summer heat to slow it down somewhat. Not to kill it off by any means, but certainly I was expecting it to slow growth a little bit, priming us for a horrendous fall/winter second wave. Damn I just hope as we're getting hammered by this we at least get an antibody resistance for a couple of years.


You know better base. Everyone going out with no masks and acting like everything is normal. This is what happens ,tbh

[TimDunkem]

I'm surprised honestly. I was expecting summer heat to slow it down somewhat. Not to kill it off by any means, but certainly I was expecting it to slow growth a little bit, priming us for a horrendous fall/winter second wave. Damn I just hope as we're getting hammered by this we at least get an antibody resistance for a couple of years.
Our bodies are better suited to fight it off in the summer, but it doesn't really matter as all these cases will keep this fire smoldering until the big one hits in the fall/winter.

[baseline bum]

You know better base. Everyone going out with no masks and acting like everything is normal. This is what happens ,tbh

Most of the early outbreaks were clustered around cold weather cities though, other than New Orleans, whose explosive growth could be attributed to jam packed bars for Mardi Gras. I was kind of expecting a lull in the summer where everyone would be comfortable only for a NYC style November/December reality check here. But looks like we're getting that reality check right now. We really don't know a lot about this virus right now so it wasn't obvious IMO. The only thing that was obvious was the US would get raped by it in March when we were seeing it tear through Northern Italy, France, and Spain early on.

[Blake]

Thank you greg abbott

Almost every expert in the field begging him to slow the reopening. Fucking ass.

[baseline bum]

Our bodies are better suited to fight it off in the summer, but it doesn't really matter as all these cases will keep this fire smoldering until the big one hits in the fall/winter.

I suspect we're just going to build up to the big one as the next two plus months drag on. You get exponential growth going and it's probably not stopping until a fairly significant percentage of the population is recovered, where recovered means either (1) having gotten better without the virus present any more or (2) dead in these models. You still get pretty high growth but not exponential after that.

[Blake]

I'm surprised honestly. I was expecting summer heat to slow it down somewhat. Not to kill it off by any means, but certainly I was expecting it to slow growth a little bit, priming us for a horrendous fall/winter second wave. Damn I just hope as we're getting hammered by this we at least get an antibody resistance for a couple of years.

I never did see any evidence of warm weather slowing this down. In fact I think I recall seeing some warm weather countries getting hit with it

[baseline bum]

I never did see any evidence of warm weather slowing this down. In fact I think I recall seeing some warm weather countries getting hit with it

Ecuador looked bad but they never had the testing capacity to really trust their numbers.

[Blake]

Our bodies are better suited to fight it off in the summer, but it doesn't really matter as all these cases will keep this fire smoldering until the big one hits in the fall/winter.


I suspect we're just going to build up to the big one as the next two plus months drag on. You get exponential growth going and it's probably not stopping until a fairly significant percentage of the population is recovered, where recovered means either (1) having gotten better without the virus present any more or (2) dead in these models. You still get pretty high growth but not exponential after that.

What is "the big one"? Seasonal flu?

[baseline bum]

What is "the big one"? Seasonal flu?

When you have a huge wave that just overwhelms the healthcare system and you end up elevating the mortality rate because of lack of care. Like when Italy had something like a 12% mortality rate when people 60 and up were being denied ventilators due to shortages.

[TimDunkem]

What is "the big one"? Seasonal flu?
Next wave which I suspect will kick into gear as we're coming off of 4th of July, and when temps drop where it peaks in the fall and winter as flu season hits.

[Blake]

When you have a huge wave that just overwhelms the healthcare system and you end up elevating the mortality rate because of lack of care. Like when Italy had something like a 12% mortality rate when people 60 and up were being denied ventilators due to shortages.

Ah. The one that at this current pace, Texas is heading for.

[ChumpDumper]

Almost every expert in the field begging him to slow the reopening. Fucking ass.What about the STRIKE FORCE?

[slick'81]

I suspect we're just going to build up to the big one as the next two plus months drag on. You get exponential growth going and it's probably not stopping until a fairly significant percentage of the population is recovered, where recovered means either (1) having gotten better without the virus present any more or (2) dead in these models. You still get pretty high growth but not exponential after that.


Yup,we knew the pain was coming. We just speed up the process

[TimDunkem]

Ah. The one that at this current pace, Texas is heading for.
It can only get worse as all the holidays start approaching. We're about to probably see the protest spike in the next couple of days too.

[baseline bum]

Next wave which I suspect will kick into gear as we're coming off of 4th of July, and when temps drop where it peaks in the fall and winter as flu season hits.

We might actually be better off by then because it sure looks like a large percentage of our population is going to get it in the next couple of months with how things are exploding. You don't really get exponential growth once you're around 20% plus infected and the higher the infected rate grows the harder it is for new infections. Though Osterholm seems to think we need to get to 60% infection rate at least to get to negative exponential decay in the number of current infections.

[baseline bum]

Ah. The one that at this current pace, Texas is heading for.

I might have been just hoping that wave would wait for November once the temperatures really drop here in the hope the Oxford vaccine would be successful and would start getting administered to doctors, nurses, EMT, etc in September and to high risk elderly before the end of the year. But probably better to expect the Oxford vaccine to be a failure.

[Blake]

What about the STRIKE FORCE?

:lol thanks Bill Miller!

[Blake]

What about the STRIKE FORCE?

:lol thanks Bill Miller!

[TimDunkem]

We might actually be better off by then because it sure looks like a large percentage of our population is going to get it in the next couple of months with how things are exploding. You don't really get exponential growth once you're around 20% plus infected and the higher the infected rate grows the harder it is for new infections. Though Osterholm seems to think we need to get to 60% infection rate at least to get to negative exponential decay in the number of current infections.
I don't know. We had exponential growth in NYC and they were at what 20% at best? It'll still be a long slog to that 60%.

[baseline bum]

I don't know. We had exponential growth in NYC and they were at what 20%?

Well yeah you blow up like hell to get to that 20%. And you'll still blow up a lot after that, just not in an exponential curve.

[baseline bum]

:lol thanks Bill Miller!

Balous Miller condemned us all :lol

[TimDunkem]

Well yeah you blow up like hell to get to that 20%. And you'll still blow up a lot after that, just not in an exponential curve.
It's going to be a long road to that 60%.

[slick'81]

Greg abott saying schools will open up in the fall unrestricted:flipoff

[baseline bum]

It's going to be a long road to that 60%.

Could be a short one. But the long one is likely the better one to be on.

[TimDunkem]

Balous Miller condemned us all :lol
And their food is dry and flavorless at that. Smh

[Blake]

Smh

"All amusement parks and carnivals around Texas are allowed to reopen today as part of Gov. Greg Abbott’s phased reopening of the state economy, while hospitalizations for COVID-19 increase and the number of deaths climbs.

Abbott is allowing those parks to reopen at 50 percent of maximum occupancy, even in hard-hit areas of the state. Six Flags of Texas in Arlington and Six Flags Fiesta Texas in San Antonio are among those that opened their gates today, but only to members and pass holders. On Monday, both of those parks open to everyone...."

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/texas/article/parks-carnivals-reopen-in-Texas-coronavirus-cases-15352189.php

Who came up with the phase plan logic that let bars open up before outdoor wide open amusement parks?

Smh Texas

[slick'81]

And their food is dry and flavorless at that. Smh


Hes just chilln and counting his millions tbh

[Blake]

Greg abott saying schools will open up in the fall unrestricted:flipoff

Let's see if he doesn't cave to the teachers unions

[slick'81]

Smh

"All amusement parks and carnivals around Texas are allowed to reopen today as part of Gov. Greg Abbott’s phased reopening of the state economy, while hospitalizations for COVID-19 increase and the number of deaths climbs.

Abbott is allowing those parks to reopen at 50 percent of maximum occupancy, even in hard-hit areas of the state. Six Flags of Texas in Arlington and Six Flags Fiesta Texas in San Antonio are among those that opened their gates today, but only to members and pass holders. On Monday, both of those parks open to everyone...."

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/texas/article/parks-carnivals-reopen-in-Texas-coronavirus-cases-15352189.php

Who came up with the phase plan logic that let bars open up before outdoor wide open amusement parks?

Smh Texas


god bless texas

[Blake]

god bless texas

:tu it's ok though because kids don't get it :tu

[TimDunkem]

Smh

"All amusement parks and carnivals around Texas are allowed to reopen today as part of Gov. Greg Abbott’s phased reopening of the state economy, while hospitalizations for COVID-19 increase and the number of deaths climbs.

Abbott is allowing those parks to reopen at 50 percent of maximum occupancy, even in hard-hit areas of the state. Six Flags of Texas in Arlington and Six Flags Fiesta Texas in San Antonio are among those that opened their gates today, but only to members and pass holders. On Monday, both of those parks open to everyone...."

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/texas/article/parks-carnivals-reopen-in-Texas-coronavirus-cases-15352189.php

Who came up with the phase plan logic that let bars open up before outdoor wide open amusement parks?

Smh Texas
The area around Six Flags, The Rim, UTSA, and La Cantera is about to blow up with cases, tbh.

[Blake]

Hes just chilln and counting his millions tbh

Gobbling down brownies and sweet tea counting his stacks

[baseline bum]

And their food is dry and flavorless at that. Smh

I like their fried chicken though. Their BBQ is horrendous, especially the brisket.

[Blake]

The area around Six Flags, The Rim, UTSA, and La Cantera is about to blow up with cases, tbh.

I'm guessing masks won't be required at Fiesta? How great would that be, standing in line in the middle of the 102 degree July heat with a mask on

[DarrinS]

Most of the early outbreaks were clustered around cold weather cities though, other than New Orleans, whose explosive growth could be attributed to jam packed bars for Mardi Gras. I was kind of expecting a lull in the summer where everyone would be comfortable only for a NYC style November/December reality check here. But looks like we're getting that reality check right now. We really don't know a lot about this virus right now so it wasn't obvious IMO. The only thing that was obvious was the US would get raped by it in March when we were seeing it tear through Northern Italy, France, and Spain early on.


People go indoors when it's hot. That's where it's spreading.

[boutons_deux]

SA is now 4th hottest city nationally for case increases

[DarrinS]

I'm guessing masks won't be required at Fiesta? How great would that be, standing in line in the middle of the 102 degree July heat with a mask on

Mask wearing outdoors is retarded, unless you plan on being close to someone for an extended period.

[DarrinS]

I'm having friends over tomorrow to hang out by the pool. Just use common sense.

[DarrinS]

The area around Six Flags, The Rim, UTSA, and La Cantera is about to blow up with cases, tbh.

I doubt it.

[spurraider21]

I'm having friends over tomorrow to hang out by the pool. Just use common sense.
https://i.imgur.com/It5pprg.gif

[DarrinS]

https://i.imgur.com/It5pprg.gif

Uh, dude?

[TimDunkem]

I doubt it.
Don't see why not. The age range hitting hospitals right now frequent those areas.

[baseline bum]

People go indoors when it's hot. That's where it's spreading.

You still going to bars then? Disagree on people going indoors more in the summer though than in the winter. Summer is when niggas come outside to go swimming, go the beach, go to park late in the day, etc. Ain't nobody out in the winter when it's 40 degrees with 20 mph winds.

[baseline bum]

Don't see why not. The age range hitting hospitals right now frequent those areas.

It's the rich part of town, so no way it's going to blow up there the way it will inside 410. We know full well this virus hits poor people way harder since they're working in ice houses, restaurants, barber shops, salons, retail stores, grocery stores, amazon warehouse, etc and having to interact way more with people than those who can work from home. Coronavirus being the great equalizer is one of the biggest lies of the early pandemic, poor people get completely fucked by it.

[TimDunkem]

It's the rich part of town, so it's not going to blow up there the way it will inside 410. We know full well this virus hits poor people way harder since they're working in ice houses, restaurants, grocery stores, amazon warehouse, etc and having to interact way more with people than those who can work from home.
A lot of immigrants and low wage peons who take it home staff those areas. They're also frequented by a lot of boomers spending their disposable income. Maybe not cases in residents of the zipcode, but it'll be an area where spread is happening.

[leemajors]

I'm having friends over tomorrow to hang out by the pool. Just use common sense.

It's spreading quite quickly among 20-29 year olds who went tubing in Hays country the last few weeks.

[TimDunkem]

Having friends over for a pool party defies common sense, tbh.

[baseline bum]

A lot of immigrants and low wage peons who take it home staff those areas. They're also frequented by a lot of boomers spending their disposable income. Maybe not cases in residents of the zipcode, but it'll be an area where spread is happening.

Yeah but it's likely to be spread mostly to them and not from them in those zipcodes. The cashiers are wearing masks in Valero to protect the customer but the customers aren't extending that same courtesy. And the cashier is interacting with way more customers than the customer is cashiers. So that Valero cashier is mostly going to go spread it to his family back home, to the waiters and cashiers at the restaurants he eats at back home, etc. The virus may not be class conscious but the infection and mortality rates sure are.

[DarrinS]

You still going to bars then? Disagree on people going indoors more in the summer though than in the winter. Summer is when niggas come outside to go swimming, go the beach, go to park late in the day, etc. Ain't nobody out in the winter when it's 40 degrees with 20 mph winds.

It doesn't seem to spread much outdoors. Did you see the post by vy65? Less than one percent of protesters tested positive.

[DarrinS]

Having friends over for a pool party defies common sense, tbh.

Outdoors. Only two people. Settle down, Karen.

[TimDunkem]

Outdoors. Only two people. Settle down, Karen.

:lol Just try to leave some booze for everyone else.

[baseline bum]

It doesn't seem to spread much outdoors. Did you see the post by vy65? Less than one percent of protesters tested positive.

I saw that. Not sure why you brought it up though in quoting that post.

[DarrinS]

It's spreading quite quickly among 20-29 year olds who went tubing in Hays country the last few weeks.

So, it spreads amongst tubers, but not people packed at that lake of the ozarks?

Meh

[DarrinS]

I saw that. Not sure why you brought it up though in quoting that post.

Because I think people are getting it in some bars, spreading it at home.

I still go to one bar to play trivia. It's pretty dead, tho. If it was packed, I'd turn around and go home.

[boutons_deux]

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[DarrinS]

I'm really starting to think that distance and limiting exposure time are the most important factors. I'd follow that by hand washing and lastly, the mask.

[baseline bum]

Because I think people are getting it in some bars, spreading it at home.

I still go to one bar to play trivia. It's pretty dead, tho. If it was packed, I'd turn around and go home.

The six foot number is BS indoors. Already been demonstrated a long time ago when people were shown to have caught the virus from a guy 14 feet away from them in a restaurant in China.

[DarrinS]

The six foot number is BS indoors. Already been demonstrated a long time ago when people were shown to have caught the virus from a guy 14 feet away from them in a restaurant in China.

I think brief encounters are probably safe. If you're sitting down for a long meal, I'd choose the patio.

Thing is, our city has a shit ton of dives (with very good food) with no outdoor dining.

[Blake]

People go indoors when it's hot. That's where it's spreading.

UNLESS PROTESTING FOR BLM DURR

[Spurtacular]

I think brief encounters are probably safe. If you're sitting down for a long meal, I'd choose the patio.

Thing is, our city has a shit ton of dives (with very good food) with no outdoor dining.

The covid boogeyman is coming for you. You'd best bunker.

[tholdren]

According to the latest immunological and serological studies, the overall lethality of Covid-19 (IFR) is about 0.1% and thus in the range of a strong seasonal influenza (flu).



Lol ChumpDumper. Bwahahahaha

[DarrinS]

UNLESS PROTESTING FOR BLM DURR

I'm happy to be wrong about that.

[CosmicCowboy]

So, it spreads amongst tubers, but not people packed at that lake of the ozarks?

Meh

Ever been tubing? It's the bus ride that got them.

[DarrinS]

Ever been tubing? It's the bus ride that got them.


Ahh, that makes more sense. I wonder how many new cases in S.A. are people who ride Via?

[leemajors]

So, it spreads amongst tubers, but not people packed at that lake of the ozarks?

Meh

One is right down the road, one is in Missouri?

[tholdren]

Having friends over for a pool party defies common sense, tbh.

You thought you had it. Mean and median age of pos dropping. That means.. ifr about to drop even lower. ChumpDumper going to lose his mind again. Lolololol

[ChumpDumper]

tholdren lost his mind three months ago when he said 10k would die tops.

[tholdren]

tholdren lost his mind three months ago when he said 10k would die tops.

Not really. Just had to repeat for you. Still can't prove me wrong.

[ChumpDumper]

Not really. Just had to repeat for you. Still can't prove me wrong.:lol Of course you were wrong.

[tholdren]

:lol Of course you were wrong.

no. I said 2x flu. I said you would never be able to tell who was a fatality of only covid without comorbidities. You will never be able to prove that.

You can prove that lockdowns caused more harm than good


Ask TimDunkem he lied about having it

[ChumpDumper]

no. yes.

[tholdren]

Bwahahahahhaha ChumpDumper lololol 100 times worse than flu. He said Georgia was insane to open. He said kansas flu. He said only china had wet markets. The list goes on and on. ...

[ChumpDumper]

th:lolldren melting down

[tholdren]

Bwahahahahhaha ChumpDumper lololol 100 times worse than flu. He said Georgia was insane to open. He said kansas flu. He said only china had wet markets. The list goes on and on. ...

He said every state would run out of hospital capacity.

[ChumpDumper]

th:lolldren continues his multithread meltdown

[tholdren]

That is what the CDC recommends. Test enough people to be able to isolate them, and trace contacts to keep the spread slow.

At this point, we are several steps behind that.

Cdc also says ifr 2x flu and less than for under 50. Bwagahahahahahhahahahah

[tholdren]

texas not reporting negative tests?

[TimDunkem]

A lot of blocked General Autismo posts here.

Meeeltdoooownnnnn :lol lololololol

[spurraider21]

tbh looks like you're both melting down

https://i.gyazo.com/087111441c13a5a0ffe934b1bc841817.png

[Blake]

"3:20 p.m. – TABC has suspended the alcohol permits of two Austin bars found to have been breaking social distancing rules.

TABC said Buford's Backyard Beer Garden and Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot Icehouse were issued an emergency order for a 30-day permit suspension.

The reported violations were part of the second night of the TABC's Operation Safe Open to inspect businesses across Texas to ensure they're following protocols to stop the spread of COVID-19. Requirements include indoor customer capacity limits of 50% for bars and 75% for restaurants, along with social distancing of at least 6 feet between groups of customers...."

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-austin-texas-update-june-20/269-93940d97-b8a6-4e05-afcc-365d7d43b84c

Ah, so TABC is the agency enforcing rules at bars at night.

But who handles places like ihop

[Blake]

Five bars around Texas

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2020/06/20/five-texas-bars-lose-their-alcohol-permits-for-30-days-after-violating-covid-19-health-protocols-officials-say/

I'm sure there's tons more

[tholdren]

Five bars around Texas

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2020/06/20/five-texas-bars-lose-their-alcohol-permits-for-30-days-after-violating-covid-19-health-protocols-officials-say/

I'm sure there's tons more

Shocking

[tholdren]

chumpdump said exponential growth. Lol

[ChumpDumper]

th:lolldren said 10k tops

[tholdren]

th:lolldren said 10k tops
Still cant prove it wrong. Yet you act like you can. Strange.

[ChumpDumper]

Still cant prove it wrong. Yet you act like you can. Strange.th:lolldren defending his gossip

[tholdren]

th:lolldren defending his gossip
asking you for proof. Or is it exponential growth. Lololololo

[ChumpDumper]

asking you for proof.Proof you gossip?

Proved that by getting you to repeat your gossip.

th:lolldren

[DarrinS]

Sad slap fights not helpful,tbh,

[Blake]

Positive cases trending towards younger now

https://www.click2houston.com/news/investigates/2020/06/20/trust-index-are-young-people-really-driving-the-surge-in-coronavirus-cases-in-houston-and-texas/

[Spurtacular]

Positive cases trending towards younger now

https://www.click2houston.com/news/investigates/2020/06/20/trust-index-are-young-people-really-driving-the-surge-in-coronavirus-cases-in-houston-and-texas/

Cool. You gonna tell us flu numbers for minors next?

It's important we know, amirite?

[tholdren]

Positive cases trending towards younger now

https://www.click2houston.com/news/investigates/2020/06/20/trust-index-are-young-people-really-driving-the-surge-in-coronavirus-cases-in-houston-and-texas/

Weeks late blake. Tell how dangerous this is. Quick

[pgardn]

Weeks late blake. Tell how dangerous this is. Quick

“This virus is the flu “

[tholdren]

“This virus is the flu “

Less than per cdc.

[tholdren]

Please let me know how many under 20 have been hospitalized.... in Florida where 5k 17 and under have been confirmed there are 0 hospitalization. The fact continues to be proven that over 85 percent will not have anything more than minor symptoms and under 50 are less effected by covid than the flu.

Science and math win again

[tholdren]

Where is pgardn and his exponential growth comments. Lol

[TimDunkem]

lololololol Triple post meltdowns

[tholdren]

lololololol Triple post meltdowns

only in America can you be counted as positive without a test but only be counted as recovered with a test. Bwahahhahahahhah

[pgardn]

The oldren has stated these are merely flu numbers.
Its not even as bad as a typical flu season.
This is entirely media generated.

Idiot....

Then bwahaha reversion to MS kid.

[Dirks_Finale]

Abbott to speak at 2pm. Based on his track record he will likely say everything is fine and threaten legal action against mayors for mandating masks. His nose is planted firmly up Trumps' rear.

[boutons_deux]

Ohio started reopening six weeks ago,

hasn't seen a coronavirus case surge

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/06/18/ohio-reopening-one-month-later-no-surge-in-coronavirus-cases/3208493001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/06/18/ohio-reopening-one-month-later-no-surge-in-coronavirus-cases/3208493001/)

The Repug gov of OH is an anomaly, seems to have managed the pandemic well from the very start.

[boutons_deux]

‘Transparency is important’:

H-E-B announces 16 more employee coronavirus cases since Saturday

https://www.mysanantonio.com/business/article/H-E-B-explains-why-its-releasing-its-COVID-19-15356792.php?utm_campaign=mysa_breakingnews_202006 22&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email (https://www.mysanantonio.com/business/article/H-E-B-explains-why-its-releasing-its-COVID-19-15356792.php?utm_campaign=mysa_breakingnews_202006 22&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email)

[Trill Clinton]

I just got tested this morning. I had been battling a cough and a headache for over a week and this weekend I loss sense of smell and taste.

[boutons_deux]

I just got tested this morning. I had been battling a cough and a headache for over a week and this weekend I loss sense of smell and taste.

ugh, good luck

When are the results back?

If I were you, I'd self-isolate since you clearly have C19 symptoms and so are probably infectious

[RandomGuy]

The oldren has stated these are merely flu numbers.
Its not even as bad as a typical flu season.
This is entirely media generated.

Idiot....

Then bwahaha reversion to MS kid.

Virus twoofer. The kind of self-appointed expert that can tell you all about how the twin towers were brought down in a controlled demolition.

[RandomGuy]

I just got tested this morning. I had been battling a cough and a headache for over a week and this weekend I loss sense of smell and taste.

That sounds like it. Yikes. Good luck man.

[RandomGuy]

Abbott to speak at 2pm. Based on his track record he will likely say everything is fine and threaten legal action against mayors for mandating masks. His nose is planted firmly up Trumps' rear.

Pretty much. He was all for local control until the cities where most of the voters actually live started doing things he didn't like.

Be interesting to see what happens in November. each election cycle has brought Texas closer and closer to being a purple battleground state, and it looks like we are almost there, if not there already.

[Dirks_Finale]

Good luck.

I did the finger prick, test/antibody test a month ago as I had all those COVID symptoms in DEC. Totally negative for any antibodies. Was hoping I had immunity already.


I just got tested this morning. I had been battling a cough and a headache for over a week and this weekend I loss sense of smell and taste.

[tholdren]

The oldren has stated these are merely flu numbers.
Its not even as bad as a typical flu season.
This is entirely media generated.

Idiot....

Then bwahaha reversion to MS kid.

Exponential growth!!!!

[Dirks_Finale]

I don't know if TX is becoming purple yet. The Beto/Cruz thing might have just been a case of Cruz being extremely unlikable and a sellout. Plus his face looks very punchable, like melted wax :lol


Pretty much. He was all for local control until the cities where most of the voters actually live started doing things he didn't like.

Be interesting to see what happens in November. each election cycle has brought Texas closer and closer to being a purple battleground state, and it looks like we are almost there, if not there already.

[johnsmith]

I just got tested this morning. I had been battling a cough and a headache for over a week and this weekend I loss sense of smell and taste.

Man let us know! I had to get tested a couple weeks ago because I had lunch with someone that got it. I did the rapid test at Texas Med Clinic and had a negative just 20 minutes later.

Good luck bruh!

[pgardn]

Exponential growth!!!!

Its a DNA virus so people are dying of BACTERIAL pneumonia!

[pgardn]

I just got tested this morning. I had been battling a cough and a headache for over a week and this weekend I loss sense of smell and taste.

Crap.
Take care.

[SnakeBoy]

Its a DNA virus so people are dying of BACTERIAL pneumonia!

lol

[spurraider21]

I just got tested this morning. I had been battling a cough and a headache for over a week and this weekend I loss sense of smell and taste.
good luck amigo

loss of smell is one of the bigger red flags. hope it ends up being mild

[SnakeBoy]

I just got tested this morning. I had been battling a cough and a headache for over a week and this weekend I loss sense of smell and taste.

Good Luck.

My wife's cousin just tested positive. He's about a week into it and is doing well, just a cough and headaches too.

[RandomGuy]

https://rt.live/?fbclid=IwAR2SuH8QiblnU-l6jTKG8ldLTV8LUe2IswF1Nczt67JQ02i2x4lLQiLpzRs


https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&casesMetric=true&dailyFreq=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&country=~USA

Interesting. They adjusted their estimate to account for testing increases. Most states now in the red, showing an acceleration of the spread.

At 1.13 and six days of being infectious that means Texas' count will double in about 32 days or so, if it is accurate. Trend looks flatish, but with more and more businesses opening, i would guess it will bump up.

we are already seeing area ICUs taken in about what they can absorb and not get overwhelmed. Double the cases and keep that number over one, we will see the available capacity start to get strained within about four weeks.

(based on statements from Travis health officials)
https://www.kut.org/post/covid-19-latest-record-506-new-cases-travis-county-third-austin-bar-gets-suspended


A record 506 new COVID-19 cases were reported in Travis County on Sunday evening, up from 418 new cases reported Saturday. One new coronavirus-related death was reported.

The five-county region (Travis, Williamson, Hays, Bastrop and Caldwell) had 10 new COVID-19 hospital admissions, according to Austin Public Health. There are currently 174 people hospitalized with the disease in the region.

The seven-day average of new hospital admissions is now at 25.7, down from 28.6 on Saturday. Local officials worry about patients overwhelming local hospitals, so they’re keeping an eye on that number and adjusting restrictions based on it.

The area is in stage 4 of APH’s risk-based guidelines, meaning higher risk individuals (people over 65 and those with underlying conditions) should avoid gatherings of more than two people and stay home unless absolutely necessary. Lower risk individuals should avoid gatherings of more than 10 people.

Stage 5, the highest risk level, would be triggered if the hospitalization average rises above 70. If the average falls below 20, the area will move down to stage 3.

[TimDunkem]

Welp, found out a cousin of mine died of COVID on Friday, 3 days after testing positive. :(

[Blake]

‘Transparency is important’:

H-E-B announces 16 more employee coronavirus cases since Saturday

https://www.mysanantonio.com/business/article/H-E-B-explains-why-its-releasing-its-COVID-19-15356792.php?utm_campaign=mysa_breakingnews_202006 22&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email (https://www.mysanantonio.com/business/article/H-E-B-explains-why-its-releasing-its-COVID-19-15356792.php?utm_campaign=mysa_breakingnews_202006 22&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email)

No surprise with all these asshole customers not wearing masks

[Blake]

Welp, found out a cousin of mine died of COVID on Friday, 3 days after testing positive. :(

Holy shit! Sorry for your loss, man.

[Blake]

I just got tested this morning. I had been battling a cough and a headache for over a week and this weekend I loss sense of smell and taste.

Good luck, Trill

[RandomGuy]

Welp, found out a cousin of mine died of COVID on Friday, 3 days after testing positive. :(

Sorry to hear. This thing, despite the virus twoofers insistence will be with us for a while.

[johnsmith]

Sorry to hear. This thing, despite the virus twoofers insistence will be with us for a while.

I don’t understand why this virus can’t be considered by everyone what it really is, a generally non-lethal illness that while not a big deal for most, can and will kill many elderly, unhealthy, those with pre-existing conditions, and occasionally someone in perfect health. Should we be scared of it, yes. Should we take steps to mitigate our chances of catching/spreading it, yes. Is it the apocalypse, no, of course not.

Why does it have to be the worst thing ever or nothing at all to so many do you suppose? I blame social media.

[spurraider21]

I don’t understand why this virus can’t be considered by everyone what it really is, a generally non-lethal illness that while not a big deal for most, can and will kill many elderly, unhealthy, those with pre-existing conditions, and occasionally someone in perfect health. Should we be scared of it, yes. Should we take steps to mitigate our chances of catching/spreading it, yes. Is it the apocalypse, no, of course not.

Why does it have to be the worst thing ever or nothing at all to so many do you suppose? I blame social media.
who is calling it that?

[TimDunkem]

Holy shit! Sorry for your loss, man.


Sorry to hear. This thing, despite the virus twoofers insistence will be with us for a while.

Thanks guys. Haven't been around that side of the family for some time, but knew him well growing up and he meant a lot to many. He was a kind, funny, working class family man. He was greying and had his issues with weight and such, but he still worked every day and was nowhere close to the end of his life until he caught COVID. He likely got it from someone he worked with who wasn't showing any symptoms.

He died at home, alone, and in considerable discomfort, to say the least, in his final days. Coronavirus is a problem for sure, contrary to what resident forum retards like th:lolldren think.

[vy65]

who is calling it that?

I don't think anyone is calling it the apocalypse, and this is something of a sidebar, but I've found myself distrusting CNN, the NY Times, and the like more so since this all started. I'm not a fake news-truther, and don't think they're outright lying. However, I also don't think it fair to say that news coverage has erred towards a sober assessment of the situation. The impression I've gotten, especially over the past month of constant reports of spikes, is that a lot of media sources have trended towards sensationalism. Which is understandable since that's how they make their money.

[vy65]

I just got tested this morning. I had been battling a cough and a headache for over a week and this weekend I loss sense of smell and taste.

thoughts + prayers homie

[spurraider21]

I don't think anyone is calling it the apocalypse, and this is something of a sidebar, but I've found myself distrusting CNN, the NY Times, and the like more so since this all started. I'm not a fake news-truther, and don't think they're outright lying. However, I also don't think it fair to say that news coverage has erred towards a sober assessment of the situation. The impression I've gotten, especially over the past month of constant reports of spikes, is that a lot of media sources have trended towards sensationalism. Which is understandable since that's how they make their money.
i think thats been true of cable news for a long time, as well as online outlets that rely on volume/clickbait

[clambake]

I just got tested this morning. I had been battling a cough and a headache for over a week and this weekend I loss sense of smell and taste.

Hang on trill.

[vy65]

i think thats been true of cable news for a long time, as well as online outlets that rely on volume/clickbait

Fair enough. I never really got that impression until covid, so I kinda hear what johnsmith was saying.

[Chucho]

who is calling it that?

He's calling it based on how people are reacting is what I would assume.

[boutons_deux]

Sorry to hear. This thing, despite the virus twoofers insistence will be with us for a while.

Even the Feds are expecting 18 more months, end of 2021, probably optimistic.

We'll see if Moscow Mitch really kills the Dems' Heroes Act and screws 10Ms out unemployment. CARES $600/week expires 31 July

To repeat: CARES' $70B to wealthy r/e investors is about 115M weeks to the unemployed at $600/week.

[spurraider21]

He's calling it based on how people are reacting is what I would assume.
on second thought im pretty sure hater has called it apocalyptic

[Chucho]

on second thought im pretty sure hater has called it apocalyptic

When hater's power is cut for non-payment, he screams "called det shit".

[tholdren]

Big news ifr for under 70...
evidence suggests the median coronavirus infection fatality rate for those under 70 is just 0.04%.

The estimate throws into sharp relief the lopsided mortality figures for the disease, which has claimed an inordinate number of elderly people across the planet while leaving younger individuals mostly unscathed.

John Ioannidis, a professor of epidemiology and population health at Stanford University, argues in a paper published earlier this month that COVID-19 "seroprevalence studies," which measure infection rates using the presence of antibodies in blood samples, "typically show a much lower fatality than initially speculated in the earlier days of the pandemic.

[Blake]

I don’t understand why this virus can’t be considered by everyone what it really is, a generally non-lethal illness that while not a big deal for most, can and will kill many elderly, unhealthy, those with pre-existing conditions, and occasionally someone in perfect health. Should we be scared of it, yes. Should we take steps to mitigate our chances of catching/spreading it, yes. Is it the apocalypse, no, of course not.

Why does it have to be the worst thing ever or nothing at all to so many do you suppose? I blame social media.

Other than being a virus with no vaccine that's easily spread and potentially lethal, one of the main problems is the hospital space.

[tholdren]

Other than being a virus with no vaccine that's easily spread and potentially lethal, one of the main problems is the hospital space.

wrong

[Blake]

"Abbott says rate of COVID-19 spread ‘unacceptable’ in Texas, doesn’t impose new rules or closures"

https://www.fox4news.com/news/abbott-says-rate-of-covid-19-spread-unacceptable-in-texas-doesnt-impose-new-rules-or-closures

Thanks for the no shit Sherlock response Abbott

[Blake]

"....Closing down Texas again will always be the last option,” he said, later adding he believed the state didn’t need to make a choice between jobs and health..."

It'd be nice to know if he has a hard cut off number in mind. I guess it's pretty obvious he doesn't

[boutons_deux]

Thinking C19 mortality rate isn't so bad

IGNORES

100Ks of "survivors" are fucked up really bad, need kidney, lung transplants, supplemental oxygen FOR LIFE, serious CVD events like strokes and heart attacks, immobilized with horrendous fatigue.

[Blake]

"The number of COVID-19 hospitalizations in Texas continued to reach record highs over the weekend while new cases also climbed in the Houston area.

The new figures come as County Judge Lina Hidalgo and leaders in other urbanized counties have issued orders mandating that businesses require customers wear face masks. Hidalgo’s order goes into effect Monday, though the latest local trends indicate masks “won’t be enough,” said vaccine researcher Dr. Peter Hotez, a professor and dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine....."

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Texas-sees-weekend-surge-in-COVID-19-15356042.php

[Blake]

1274312975340486656

[ChumpDumper]

Big news ifr for under 70...
evidence suggests the median coronavirus infection fatality rate for those under 70 is just 0.04%.

The estimate throws into sharp relief the lopsided mortality figures for the disease, which has claimed an inordinate number of elderly people across the planet while leaving younger individuals mostly unscathed.

John Ioannidis, a professor of epidemiology and population health at Stanford University, argues in a paper published earlier this month that COVID-19 "seroprevalence studies," which measure infection rates using the presence of antibodies in blood samples, "typically show a much lower fatality than initially speculated in the earlier days of the pandemic.What was the high number of the range he reviewed?

[baseline bum]

Welp, found out a cousin of mine died of COVID on Friday, 3 days after testing positive. :(

Damn, sorry for your loss man.

[Blake]

"According to data collected from UT Southwestern Medical Center on Friday, Dallas-Fort Worth hospitalizations due to COVID-19 have increased by 24% compared with the week before, experts said Monday. Because of the percentage of COVID-19 tests coming back positive, UT Southwestern’s model predicts that new cases and hospitalizations will increase by approximately 20% over the next two weeks...."

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/06/22/texas-coronavirus-cases-hospitalizations-austin-houston-dallas/

[Trainwreck2100]

"....Closing down Texas again will always be the last option,” he said, later adding he believed the state didn’t need to make a choice between jobs and health..."

It'd be nice to know if he has a hard cut off number in mind. I guess it's pretty obvious he doesn't

doesn't matter how bad it gets, nobody's closing shit.

[tholdren]

doesn't matter how bad it gets, nobody's closing shit.

2 more weeks! RandomGuy says 4 more weeks!!!

[RandomGuy]

I don’t understand why this virus can’t be considered by everyone what it really is, a generally non-lethal illness that while not a big deal for most, can and will kill many elderly, unhealthy, those with pre-existing conditions, and occasionally someone in perfect health. Should we be scared of it, yes. Should we take steps to mitigate our chances of catching/spreading it, yes. Is it the apocalypse, no, of course not.

Why does it have to be the worst thing ever or nothing at all to so many do you suppose? I blame social media.

The problem/question is the hospitalization rate. If it fills out hospitals, the mortality rate will skyrocket.

There is some indication thought that it scars lungs even if you get through it ok.

Dunno. It will be bad. I worry for my son with asthma. :/

I think it will be worse than the Trumptards say it will be. How bad that is... is still up in the air. We are in the test tube so to speak.

[RandomGuy]

Thinking C19 mortality rate isn't so bad

IGNORES

100Ks of "survivors" are fucked up really bad, need kidney, lung transplants, supplemental oxygen FOR LIFE, serious CVD events like strokes and heart attacks, immobilized with horrendous fatigue.

Link?

[SnakeBoy]

I don’t understand why this virus can’t be considered by everyone what it really is, a generally non-lethal illness that while not a big deal for most, can and will kill many elderly, unhealthy, those with pre-existing conditions, and occasionally someone in perfect health. Should we be scared of it, yes. Should we take steps to mitigate our chances of catching/spreading it, yes. Is it the apocalypse, no, of course not.

Why does it have to be the worst thing ever or nothing at all to so many do you suppose? I blame social media.

There's always misinformation spread on the internet. I don't think it plays a major role. Imo the underlying reason is the arrogance of experts at CDC, NIH, etc believing and telling the public that this could be stopped followed by politicians taking action to "stop" the virus. Should have been straight with the public that this is a long slog from the get go and enacted sustainable strategies.

[boutons_deux]

What they don’t tell you about surviving COVID-19

'Recovered' doesn't mean healthy again


https://www.mysanantonio.com/science/article/What-they-don-t-tell-you-about-surviving-15347792.php?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mysa_morningheadlines&utm_content=news&stn=nf

I've read several articles like this.

I'm extrapolating for each of 150K+ dead, there's probably 5+ survivors who are fucked up.

I haven't seen any stats on "fucked up survivors" only lots of terrible anecdotes.

How would one define the categories of fucked up? and who has the time + money do that study nationwide, in the middle of the pandemic.

=======================

For survivors of severe COVID-19, beating the virus is just the beginning

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/survivors-severe-covid-19-beating-virus-just-beginning

[tholdren]

The problem/question is the hospitalization rate. If it fills out hospitals, the mortality rate will skyrocket.

There is some indication thought that it scars lungs even if you get through it ok.

Dunno. It will be bad. I worry for my son with asthma. :/

I think it will be worse than the Trumptards say it will be. How bad that is... is still up in the air. We are in the test tube so to speak.
Beep beep beep. Backing up the truck and namecalling. Thats science. Lol your math

[Dirks_Finale]

Pandering to Trump and Wall street seems to be what is most important to him.

Today's presser was more smoke screen, sunshine pumping. The hospitals have plenty of beds, blah, blah, blah... Well, yeah no sh%t, just wait till the usual percentage of these thousands of new cases fall ill. Then we have a big problem.


"....Closing down Texas again will always be the last option,” he said, later adding he believed the state didn’t need to make a choice between jobs and health..."

It'd be nice to know if he has a hard cut off number in mind. I guess it's pretty obvious he doesn't

[Dirks_Finale]

And now we also have many folks who do not even have COVID, having chest pain or whatever...scared to go to the belly of the best(hospital) and so they don't get treatment and drop dead at home.

COVID is taking a big wet sh&t on the planet and yet we still have folks acting as though it's an overblown hoax. :lol amazing.


Thinking C19 mortality rate isn't so bad

IGNORES

100Ks of "survivors" are fucked up really bad, need kidney, lung transplants, supplemental oxygen FOR LIFE, serious CVD events like strokes and heart attacks, immobilized with horrendous fatigue.

[johnsmith]

who is calling it that?

Poor word choice on my part....my point being is that it’s not this fucking gigantic, awful, “run for the hills” type of an event either.

Though I’m certain I have heard it mentioned, lol!

[johnsmith]

The problem/question is the hospitalization rate. If it fills out hospitals, the mortality rate will skyrocket.

There is some indication thought that it scars lungs even if you get through it ok.

Dunno. It will be bad. I worry for my son with asthma. :/

I think it will be worse than the Trumptards say it will be. How bad that is... is still up in the air. We are in the test tube so to speak.


Same here RG. I have a son and a wife with asthma.

[johnsmith]

There's always misinformation spread on the internet. I don't think it plays a major role. Imo the underlying reason is the arrogance of experts at CDC, NIH, etc believing and telling the public that this could be stopped followed by politicians taking action to "stop" the virus. Should have been straight with the public that this is a long slog from the get go and enacted sustainable strategies.

I don’t totally disagree but Way back in the old days, March, in their defense, I heard a lot about flattening the curve. It evolved into “stopping the virus” somehow.

[DarrinS]

Same here RG. I have a son and a wife with asthma.

Asthma isn't a risk factor

[johnsmith]

Asthma isn't a risk factor

Ummmm....yes it is. Unless I’ve missed something very big in the last few weeks.

[tholdren]

There's always misinformation spread on the internet. I don't think it plays a major role. Imo the underlying reason is the arrogance of experts at CDC, NIH, etc believing and telling the public that this could be stopped followed by politicians taking action to "stop" the virus. Should have been straight with the public that this is a long slog from the get go and enacted sustainable strategies.
There are sustainable strategies. Media hype using raw data out of context pushed by ChumpDumper

[johnsmith]

Asthma isn't a risk factor

You made me do some googling now....interesting stuff, and I hope it’s right...thanks Darrin!

[DarrinS]

Ummmm....yes it is. Unless I’ve missed something very big in the last few weeks.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-06-asthma-isnt-factor-worsening-covid-.html

[DarrinS]

You made me do some googling now....interesting stuff, and I hope it’s right...thanks Darrin!

:tu

[vy65]

The problem/question is the hospitalization rate. If it fills out hospitals, the mortality rate will skyrocket.

There is some indication thought that it scars lungs even if you get through it ok.

Dunno. It will be bad. I worry for my son with asthma. :/

I think it will be worse than the Trumptards say it will be. How bad that is... is still up in the air. We are in the test tube so to speak.

Have you seen anything that says the lung damage is long term? Everything I've read says it heals in a manner of time: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/what-coronavirus-does-to-the-lungs

[RandomGuy]

What they don’t tell you about surviving COVID-19

'Recovered' doesn't mean healthy again


https://www.mysanantonio.com/science/article/What-they-don-t-tell-you-about-surviving-15347792.php?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mysa_morningheadlines&utm_content=news&stn=nf

I've read several articles like this.

I'm extrapolating for each of 150K+ dead, there's probably 5+ survivors who are fucked up.

I haven't seen any stats on "fucked up survivors" only lots of terrible anecdotes.

How would one define the categories of fucked up? and who has the time + money do that study nationwide, in the middle of the pandemic.

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For survivors of severe COVID-19, beating the virus is just the beginning

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/survivors-severe-covid-19-beating-virus-just-beginning





Any such instances will make for some pretty hefty overall costs to the economy. Injure a young person for life, and you have caused quite a bit of economic damage.

[baseline bum]

There's always misinformation spread on the internet. I don't think it plays a major role. Imo the underlying reason is the arrogance of experts at CDC, NIH, etc believing and telling the public that this could be stopped followed by politicians taking action to "stop" the virus. Should have been straight with the public that this is a long slog from the get go and enacted sustainable strategies.

What would you consider a sustainable strategy for infecting 70% of the nation quickly enough so the virus can burn out (since immunity looks to be short lived after infection, say ~1year) but not so quickly that you overwhelm the hospitals and lead to a lot of preventable deaths? Indoor dining rooms + bars + gyms look to be spiking the infection rate enough to where San Antonio is very worried about overwhelming the hospitals. But you eliminate those and have people wear masks and I wonder if infection rate slows to a crawl like during April and May and then you never get herd immunity like how we ended the Spanish flu pandemic. Kind of seems like you're fucked either way unless you go the slow route and know you'll have an effective and safe vaccine to artificially get to that 70% herd immunity rate.

[RandomGuy]

Have you seen anything that says the lung damage is long term? Everything I've read says it heals in a manner of time: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/what-coronavirus-does-to-the-lungs

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-critically-ill-patient-double-lung-transplant

Quite a bit out there. Google the term "covid lungs" and they have no shortage of anecdotal bits on various organ damage. Some of it is doubtless fearmongering for clicks/ratings, IMO.

How rare it is, or what the damage actually is will take years to get solid science on.

[RandomGuy]

What would you consider a sustainable strategy for infecting 70% of the nation quickly enough so the virus can burn out but not so quickly that you overwhelm the hospitals and lead to a lot of preventable deaths? Indoor dining rooms + bars + gyms look to be spiking the infection rate enough to where San Antonio is very worried about overwhelming the hospitals. But you eliminate those and have people wear masks and I wonder if infection rate slows to a crawl like during April and May and then you never get herd immunity like how we ended the Spanish flu pandemic. Kind of seems like you're fucked either way.

muh sweden is held up as the model for re-opening by the virus twoofers.

But if you look at what the swedes are doing it is a version of sheltering that is much more restricted than what the virus twoofers are pushing, i.e. business as normal. They have social distancing, but event though stuff is open... people are staying at home.

[pgardn]

There's always misinformation spread on the internet. I don't think it plays a major role. Imo the underlying reason is the arrogance of experts at CDC, NIH, etc believing and telling the public that this could be stopped followed by politicians taking action to "stop" the virus. Should have been straight with the public that this is a long slog from the get go and enacted sustainable strategies.

I dont remember the timing of what you claim.
I clearly remember the major goal being not to overwhelm hospitals because death rate would clearly go up, nothing about stopping it completely.

[vy65]

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-critically-ill-patient-double-lung-transplant

Quite a bit out there. Google the term "covid lungs" and they have no shortage of anecdotal bits on various organ damage. Some of it is doubtless fearmongering for clicks/ratings, IMO.

How rare it is, or what the damage actually is will take years to get solid science on.

:tu

[RandomGuy]

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-06-asthma-isnt-factor-worsening-covid-.html

Cool. Will let wife know.

[tholdren]

muh sweden is held up as the model for re-opening by the virus twoofers.

But if you look at what the swedes are doing it is a version of sheltering that is much more restricted than what the virus twoofers are pushing, i.e. business as normal. They have social distancing, but event though stuff is open... people are staying at home.
South Dakota in the USA south Korea

[pgardn]

Have you seen anything that says the lung damage is long term? Everything I've read says it heals in a manner of time: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/what-coronavirus-does-to-the-lungs

All I have seen definitively is CAN cause long term damage.
ie we dont know, which is not surprising.

edit: already basically answered

[tholdren]

What would you consider a sustainable strategy for infecting 70% of the nation quickly enough so the virus can burn out (since immunity looks to be short lived after infection, say ~1year) but not so quickly that you overwhelm the hospitals and lead to a lot of preventable deaths? Indoor dining rooms + bars + gyms look to be spiking the infection rate enough to where San Antonio is very worried about overwhelming the hospitals. But you eliminate those and have people wear masks and I wonder if infection rate slows to a crawl like during April and May and then you never get herd immunity like how we ended the Spanish flu pandemic. Kind of seems like you're fucked either way unless you go the slow route and know you'll have an effective and safe vaccine to artificially get to that 70% herd immunity rate.

I believe that the riot/protests were the best thing to happen with covid. There are certainly cases out there that have spread due to that among the group that has a higher chance winning the lottery than being a fatality.

Have to spread now due to us winter and majority will be indoors. Lockdown extended this

[pgardn]

Coincides best with "opening up".
But the choices we had by that time were poor to bad.

[RandomGuy]

Same here RG. I have a son and a wife with asthma.

Eyup. The teenager seems to be outgrowing it, but still. Good to hear it isn't a risk factor. Makes me a lot less worried.

[tholdren]

Eyup. The teenager seems to be outgrowing it, but still. Good to hear it isn't a risk factor. Makes me a lot less worried.
That or the ifr of under 20?

[ChumpDumper]

There are sustainable strategies. Media hype using raw data out of context pushed by ChumpDumperth:lolldren lies

[SnakeBoy]

What would you consider a sustainable strategy for infecting 70% of the nation quickly enough so the virus can burn out (since immunity looks to be short lived after infection, say ~1year) but not so quickly that you overwhelm the hospitals and lead to a lot of preventable deaths? Indoor dining rooms + bars + gyms look to be spiking the infection rate enough to where San Antonio is very worried about overwhelming the hospitals. But you eliminate those and have people wear masks and I wonder if infection rate slows to a crawl like during April and May and then you never get herd immunity like how we ended the Spanish flu pandemic. Kind of seems like you're fucked either way unless you go the slow route and know you'll have an effective and safe vaccine to artificially get to that 70% herd immunity rate.

Well I think anything that has the goal of infecting anyone much less 70% is a bad strategy, the so called herd immunity strategy. I also think it is just as bad to have a universal lock down which we did for way too long.

Starting off the American people seemed to be very much all onboard for a period of time and then in April Fauci moved the goalpost to "no new cases, no deaths" followed by politicians trying to lock down harder to the point where it made no sense and was really destroying a lot of people economically. Now we're at the point where people seem to have said fuck it this is bullshit. So I don't claim to know the perfect sustainable strategy but it doesn't matter what the strategy is if people aren't onboard or can't possibly stay onboard.

I think the way it's going to work out is we'll just go through localized spikes and shutdowns. Some places will do better than others and at the end of it we will say would've,could've, should've.

What I'm almost 100% sure of is SA is about to get fucked. My wife had 8 covid calls today from pts, diagnosed over the weekend or a family member diagnosed. That's more than she's had the whole time. About the same for all of her colleagues so they had a meeting today to start planning how they are going to operate short staffed, anticipating it's only a matter of time now that they will lose staff for weeks due to qt.

[baseline bum]

Well I think anything that has the goal of infecting anyone much less 70% is a bad strategy, the so called herd immunity strategy. I also think it is just as bad to have a universal lock down which we did for way too long.

Starting off the American people seemed to be very much all onboard for a period of time and then in April Fauci moved the goalpost to "no new cases, no deaths" followed by politicians trying to lock down harder to the point where it made no sense and was really destroying a lot of people economically. Now we're at the point where people seem to have said fuck it this is bullshit. So I don't claim to know the perfect sustainable strategy but it doesn't matter what the strategy is if people aren't onboard or can't possibly stay onboard.

I think the way it's going to work out is we'll just go through localized spikes and shutdowns. Some places will do better than others and at the end of it we will say would've,could've, should've.

What I'm almost 100% sure of is SA is about to get fucked. My wife had 8 covid calls today from pts, diagnosed over the weekend or a family member diagnosed. That's more than she's had the whole time. About the same for all of her colleagues so they had a meeting today to start planning how they are going to operate short staffed, anticipating it's only a matter of time now that they will lose staff for weeks due to qt.

Problem is that spike in New York may have only been slowed enough to save the hospitals by the strict lockdowns there though. We haven't really seen an explosion like that without a lockdown during. I guess San Antonio, Phoenix, Orlando, Tampa, Houston, Austin are all going to be a control groups. Don't think the governors of any of those states will allow lockdowns no matter how bad things get. Gotta wonder if there is even a right path when it seems the virus mostly infects through indoors close contact so either don't shut the bars, gyms, dining rooms down and overwhelm the hospitals leading to preventable deaths from lack of resources or do shut them down and economically devastate a lot of people and maybe not infect enough either to make progress to ending the pandemic.

[tholdren]

Problem is that spike in New York may have only been slowed by the strict lockdowns there though. We haven't really seen an explosion like that without a lockdown after. I guess San Antonio, Phoenix, Orlando, Tampa, Houston, Austin are all going to be a control groups. Don't think the governors of any of those states will allow lockdowns no matter how bad things get. Gotta wonder if there is even a right path when it seems the virus mostly infects through indoors close contact so either don't shut the bars, gyms, dining rooms down and overwhelm the hospitals leading to preventable deaths from lack of resources or do shut them down and economically devastate a lot of people and maybe not infect enough either to make progress to ending the pandemic.

South dakota. Sweden. South korea

[ChumpDumper]

th:lolldren just spouting out place names now

Being wrong all this time broke him.

[baseline bum]

South dakota. Sweden. South korea

South Korea is the complete opposite approach we have done with extremely active suppression.

[DarrinS]

I think this is spreading by "kids" in their early 20's, hanging out together indoors without social distancing or masks. They feel invulnerable, which they practically are, but they don't understand that they'll pass it to parents, grandparents, etc.

[DarrinS]

I think this is spreading by "kids" in their early 20's, hanging out together indoors without social distancing or masks. They feel invulnerable, which they practically are, but they don't understand that they'll pass it to parents, grandparents, etc.


Some anecdotes. I have a 20 y.o. daughter. She has a 20 something friend and a 20 something boyfriend. She has friend sleep over. They drive around together. They don't social distance or wear masks. During this pandemic, my daughter also gets a job in the restaurant industry. Obviously, I'm not thrilled about any of this. Hopefully, my daughter doesn't inadvertently kill me or my wife. I'd hate for her to live with that.

[Spurminator]

My anecdote is when I go out, it's not the young people who aren't wearing masks.

It's people like this

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[Spurminator]

But there's plenty of stubborn stupidity at all ages.

[SnakeBoy]

Problem is that spike in New York may have only been slowed enough to save the hospitals by the strict lockdowns there though. We haven't really seen an explosion like that without a lockdown during. I guess San Antonio, Phoenix, Orlando, Tampa, Houston, Austin are all going to be a control groups. Don't think the governors of any of those states will allow lockdowns no matter how bad things get. Gotta wonder if there is even a right path when it seems the virus mostly infects through indoors close contact so either don't shut the bars, gyms, dining rooms down and overwhelm the hospitals leading to preventable deaths from lack of resources or do shut them down and economically devastate a lot of people and maybe not infect enough either to make progress to ending the pandemic.

I don't think we'll get a New York level spike. Weather is on our side. Just need people to not be stupid.

[tholdren]

South Korea is the complete opposite approach we have done with extremely active suppression.

no, this is false. At the beginning they were criticized for too little.

[ChumpDumper]

no, this is false. At the beginning they were criticized for too little.Criticized by whom?

[tholdren]

Criticized by whom?

The media

[ChumpDumper]

The mediaOh, like one op-ed?

[tholdren]

Oh, like one op-ed?

No. But continue. You know all about it.

More generalizations and lies from ChumpDumper.

[ChumpDumper]

No. Great. Link all those critical media stories.

[DarrinS]

Problem is that spike in New York may have only been slowed enough to save the hospitals by the strict lockdowns there though. We haven't really seen an explosion like that without a lockdown during. I guess San Antonio, Phoenix, Orlando, Tampa, Houston, Austin are all going to be a control groups. Don't think the governors of any of those states will allow lockdowns no matter how bad things get. Gotta wonder if there is even a right path when it seems the virus mostly infects through indoors close contact so either don't shut the bars, gyms, dining rooms down and overwhelm the hospitals leading to preventable deaths from lack of resources or do shut them down and economically devastate a lot of people and maybe not infect enough either to make progress to ending the pandemic.


The way the NYC curve looks, it appears that covid just burned through that city. Sure, they locked down, only to have vast majorities infected indoors. Putting covid patients in nursing homes surely didn't help. This thing only burns out when it runs out of fuel, just like a brush fire.

We have spikes in the southern states now, because we locked down early and opened early. Even our current "spikes" are a mere blip compared to what happened in the northeast.

[TimDunkem]

This spike isn't even the big one, tbh. Weather may be on our side now, but this country is getting fucked this fall and winter, imo.

This is just part of our first wave.

[baseline bum]

The way the NYC curve looks, it appears that covid just burned through that city. Sure, they locked down, only to have vast majorities infected indoors. Putting covid patients in nursing homes surely didn't help. This thing only burns out when it runs out of fuel, just like a brush fire.

We have spikes in the southern states now, because we locked down early and opened early. Even our current "spikes" are a mere blip compared to what happened in the northeast.

I strongly doubt they have reached anything approaching 70% infection rate in NYC for it to have burnt out in that city. I'd be absolutely floored if it's not back hard in the next month or two there.

[TimDunkem]

Wonder how many have died at home that haven't been reported yet. As far as I know, my cousin hasn't been listed as among the dead.

[DarrinS]

I strongly doubt they have reached anything approaching 70% infection rate in NYC for it to have burnt out in that city. I'd be absolutely floored if it's not back hard in the next month or two there.

Maybe, who knows?

[DarrinS]

This spike isn't even the big one, tbh. Weather may be on our side now, but this country is getting fucked this fall and winter, imo.

This is just part of our first wave.

Ample time to start boosting your immune system.

I've got my mom on 2000 IU of D3 daily.

Take more, if you're some great big fat person.

[TimDunkem]

Ample time to start boosting your immune system.

I've got my mom on 2000 IU of D3 daily.

Take more, if you're some great big fat person.

Definitely been a little more health conscious overall. I worry about my mother too; lupus, arthritis, Graves', senior, etc.

[boutons_deux]

Wonder how many have died at home that haven't been reported yet. As far as I know, my cousin hasn't been listed as among the dead.

I remember an article about "excess deaths" in NYC in March and April of 6K+ not counted in the C19 total

[DarrinS]

Definitely been a little more health conscious overall. I worry about my mother too; lupus, arthritis, Graves', senior, etc.

If you can, pick up groceries and prescriptions for her.

[TimDunkem]

If you can, pick up groceries and prescriptions for her.

Yeah, me and my siblings have been looking out for her this whole time. Constantly calling, asking if she's left at all. :lol

She's fed up, but her and many others are going to have to simply stay home as long as this takes.

[TimDunkem]

I strongly doubt they have reached anything approaching 70% infection rate in NYC for it to have burnt out in that city. I'd be absolutely floored if it's not back hard in the next month or two there.

New Osterholm interview where he touches on what he thinks will happen next:
https://youtu.be/d_3cQZQLxJo

[Blake]

I think this is spreading by "kids" in their early 20's, hanging out together indoors without social distancing or masks. They feel invulnerable, which they practically are, but they don't understand that they'll pass it to parents, grandparents, etc.

Sober Darrin signing in

[Blake]

New Osterholm interview where he touches on what he thinks will happen next:
https://youtu.be/d_3cQZQLxJo

Smh jeez

[clambake]

What bothers me is that he buried this shit months.

Cry all you want about media.

[pgardn]

What bothers me is that he buried this shit months.

Cry all you want about media.

What?

We got a re election to win Clammer?
Get the priorities straight, see you at the next indoor rally.

[SnakeBoy]

New Osterholm interview where he touches on what he thinks will happen next:
https://youtu.be/d_3cQZQLxJo

Chuck Todd: some people are calling it endemic

Must be reading my posts :lol

[DarrinS]

What bothers me is that he buried this shit months.

Cry all you want about media.

November of something. Spread throughout the world. Get a new schtick.

[DarrinS]

Some anecdotes. I have a 20 y.o. daughter. She has a 20 something friend and a 20 something boyfriend. She has friend sleep over. They drive around together. They don't social distance or wear masks. During this pandemic, my daughter also gets a job in the restaurant industry. Obviously, I'm not thrilled about any of this. Hopefully, my daughter doesn't inadvertently kill me or my wife. I'd hate for her to live with that.


Just had a long talk with her and explained how this was transmitting fast in her age group.

Booted the friend out of my house.

Will socially distance from my daughter for the foreseeable future. Sucks, but oh well.

[tholdren]

This just in.... who you test matters as does who you do not....

[SnakeBoy]

Just had a long talk with her and explained how this was transmitting fast in her age group.

Booted the friend out of my house.

Will socially distance from my daughter for the foreseeable future. Sucks, but oh well.

There's been multiple studies now that put the likelihood of an infected person spreading it to members of the same household at around 20-30%. That's pretty high but it also shows that it's possible to not get it while living in the same household as an infected person. Stands to reason simple distancing and precautions within the household could lower that chance quite a bit.

[DarrinS]

There's been multiple studies now that put the likelihood of an infected person spreading it to members of the same household at around 20-30%. That's pretty high but it also shows that it's possible to not get it while living in the same household as an infected person. Stands to reason simple distancing and precautions within the household could lower that chance quite a bit.


When I'm not I my office, I spend most of my time outdoors. Hopefully, that helps.

[boutons_deux]

Smh jeez

USA - Canada

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&casesMetric=true&dailyFreq=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&country=USA~CAN

[baseline bum]

New Osterholm interview where he touches on what he thinks will happen next:
https://youtu.be/d_3cQZQLxJo

Yeah Osterholm was predicting that forest fire scenario back in March too on the interview he did with Joe Rogan. He was also predicting about 400k dead if I remember right, which kind of sounds conservative now based on about ~150k dead conservatively so far when he believes we're only at 5% total infection in the US (he said that 5% number on Chris Wallace's Sunday morning show the week before last).

[baseline bum]

When I'm not I my office, I spend most of my time outdoors. Hopefully, that helps.

Wife doesn't let you troll spurstalk in the house? Damn...

[DarrinS]

Wife doesn't let you troll spurstalk in the house? Damn...

Mostly do that outdoors, like now. :lol

[baseline bum]

Mostly do that outdoors, like now. :lol

Damn in Texas summers... I got my ass right in front of the AC :lol