Texas response to Corona virus

[Blake]

CC going derp mode. What an idiot.

[RandomGuy]

Not to get into evolution, but for example, evolution can not prove that we evolved from apes. "missing link" is a real thing... does that mean species don't evolve? No, there is tons of evidence that supports evolution, but we do not have all the necessary links from ape to man, nor the links from "primordial soup" to ape. These lines get blurred by the scientists and politicians, yet it gets pushed.


... and there it is. Two misstatements about the science and a false equivocation fallacy. The "human agenda" meme that gets pushed has, at its core, ignorance and flawed reasoning.

Let's start with ignorance, and work from there. I have rarely heard anyone expressing skepticism about science that actually understood it to any reasonable degree.

Humans didn't evolve from apes. Humans and apes evolved from a common ancestor.

We have the missing links.

if you want to think there is some agenda here, yet can't be bothered to actually understand the theory or evidence, I guess that is your prerogative. I would recommend reading a bit more on the subject.

Lastly, not all evidence and science is created equal.

Trying to say that people who doubt the large consensus of science and experts are somehow on the same footing just because there is some disagreement misses this huge problem with their reasoning.

There is evidence that says the earth is flat.
There is evidence that says the earth is an oblate spheroid.

Are these two theories somehow equally valid? Why or why not?

[RandomGuy]

Didn’t say evolution does not exist. Genetics prove it

I am saying there is not enough evidence to confirm people evolved directly from apes. Please show me where I am wrong. Please show me the “science” and I will humbly concede

Not going to try to prove something that the science isn't trying to say.


1. Did we evolve from monkeys?

Humans did not evolve from monkeys. Humans are more closely related to modern apes than to monkeys, but we didn't evolve from apes, either. Humans share a common ancestor with modern African apes, like gorillas and chimpanzees. Scientists believe this common ancestor existed 5 to 8 million years ago. Shortly thereafter, the species diverged into two separate lineages. One of these lineages ultimately evolved into gorillas and chimps, and the other evolved into early human ancestors called hominids.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_evolution_fossils

You can start from about 6M years ago to present day homo sapiens.

Explore the branches we know about:
https://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-family-tree

We have more than enough to flesh this stuff out to a reasonable degree.

Explore a few of what the Smithsonian has:
https://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-fossils/fossils

[clambake]

Cowboy the welfare queen is making fun of boo living in a trailer


That’s delicious

[RandomGuy]

The left has no problem ignoring basic biology. Both sides ignore science when it fits their agenda. But I don't disagree with you assessment regarding the right.

The left does not ignore basic biology. Feel free to provide an example.

The right has no problem forming just about every argument they have as a strawman though.

[boutons_deux]

COVID-19 CASES IN TEXAS HAVE INCREASED BETWEEN 20% TO 30% AFTER STAY-AT-HOME MEASURES WERE LIFTED


— In Texas, COVID-19 cases have been up between 20% and 30% since stay-at-home measures were lifted on May 1, according to CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/15/health/us-coronavirus-friday/index.html).

On Thursday, there were 58 new deaths in Texas, the state's highest one-day increase in deaths since the beginning of the pandemic, according to CNN.

There have been more than 45,200 cases of COVID-19 in Texas and 1,256 deaths, according to The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/texas-coronavirus-cases.html).

https://www.livescience.com/topics/live/coronavirus-live-updates?utm_source=Selligent&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=17959&utm_content=20200514_Coronavirus_Infographic+&utm_term=194127&m_i=CFoHOgxNQPb878c%2B8D7qQjwbBVnXMpbWUVwl%2BKMUin cVA0SsPsUnlkKZfK_KlJmoLESiePzUfXXj8evQusJSzO9eZRml qH

Where does Abbott stand on publishing daily TX C19 cases/deaths?

[boutons_deux]

Places without social distancing have 35 times more potential coronavirus spread


https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/15/social-distancing-study-coronavirus-spread/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9. eyJjb29raWVuYW1lIjoid3BfY3J0aWQiLCJpc3MiOiJDYXJ0YS IsImNvb2tpZXZhbHVlIjoiNTk3NDBkYjNhZGU0ZTIxYTg0OTNm ZGFlIiwidGFnIjoiNWViZjA0NDJmZTFmZjY1NGMyZGUwNzZjIi widXJsIjoiaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cud2FzaGluZ3RvbnBvc3QuY29t L25hdGlvbi8yMDIwLzA1LzE1L3NvY2lhbC1kaXN0YW5jaW5nLX N0dWR5LWNvcm9uYXZpcnVzLXNwcmVhZC8_dXRtX2NhbXBhaWdu PXdwX3RvX3lvdXJfaGVhbHRoJnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdX RtX3NvdXJjZT1uZXdzbGV0dGVyJndwaXNyYz1ubF90eWgmd3Bt az0xIn0.hl0paEdumjigK2nWwuCAtj5T500-cIs3xXYUjLtOvCQ&utm_campaign=wp_to_your_health&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_tyh&wpmk=1

[pgardn]

Both the right and the left spin their "experts" to support their cause.

You are right, science should be black or white and should not have any political favor, but when you have institutions supported by the state or UN, it becomes tainted. When hospitals' funding depends on a specific cause of death or diagnosis, that encourages dishonest "science"

We certainly should be able to look at science for the truth... problem is, humans have to much power to influence it.

Not to get into evolution, but for example, evolution can not prove that we evolved from apes. "missing link" is a real thing... does that mean species don't evolve? No, there is tons of evidence that supports evolution, but we do not have all the necessary links from ape to man, nor the links from "primordial soup" to ape. These lines get blurred by the scientists and politicians, yet it gets pushed.

PEOPLE promoting science is what is being questioned and it should be.

Yes we do and we are finding new ones all the time.
Your problem is that you dont understand evolution.
Its not a straight line thing that MUST lead to modern humans.

We are still trying to figure out the dead ends and finding new things all the time that change the picture.
The things you call Apes are here today, they were not around when modern humans evolved, they evolved as well. We call them apes because they are apelike, just like we are. And there are fossils we COULD theoretically find that would say humans do look like they just appear out of nowhere, but they dont exist so far.
And most evolutionary scientist doubt very much we will find anything that would question what we accept right now.

Humans evolved from an ape-like ancestor. The tree is still being built because evidence keeps coming in.

So your bias is already on display.

[boutons_deux]

Of course, shitbag Repugs in shithole Texas would be lying

Is Texas Inflating Its COVID-19 Testing Numbers by Including Antibody Tests?

The state health department is including some antibody test results in its case totals,

potentially clouding information on the current spread of the virus.

helps pad testing numbers while giving the public a distorted view of the current spread of the virus.

co-mingling of the two types of tests raises questions about the validity of the state’s data,

which has influenced efforts, largely by Republican (https://www.texasobserver.org/texas-economy-greg-abbott-coronavirus/) government officials, to quickly reopen the state’s economy (https://www.texasmonthly.com/politics/greg-abbott-reopening-texas-too-early/).

DSHS confirmed to the Observer that the agency includes “some antibody results” in its official statistics.

This opacity is part of a broader patchwork of county and state data that fails to accurately track COVID-19.

DSHS data

excludes some positive cases in prisons (https://www.texasobserver.org/covid-19-texas-undercount-prisoners/),

significantly undercounting total infections in at least two East Texas counties,

State officials have also

declined to release information about infections in other major outbreak centers,

like nursing homes (https://www.propublica.org/article/texas-still-wont-say-which-nursing-homes-have-covid-19-cases-families-are-demanding-answers) and meat processing plants, and

have not released detailed racial and ethnic breakdowns (https://www.texasobserver.org/covid-19-racial-disparities-texas-legislature/) of cases and deaths around the state.

https://www.texasobserver.org/covid-19-tests-combine-texas/ (https://www.texasobserver.org/covid-19-tests-combine-texas/)

[boutons_deux]

'It's Fairly Merciless' —

Texas To Resume Evictions

As San Antonio Renter Protection Ordinance Dies

unprotected renters without the ability to pay rent are at the mercy of their landlords.

“The legal process in the state of Texas is — it's fairly merciless with regard to residential tenants,” he said. “And so tenants have to rely on the discretion of the landlords.”

https://www.tpr.org/post/its-fairly-merciless-texas-resume-evictions-san-antonio-renter-protection-ordinance-dies (https://www.tpr.org/post/its-fairly-merciless-texas-resume-evictions-san-antonio-renter-protection-ordinance-dies)

You don't have job, you can't make rent, now you're homeless, and obviously don't have 3-months rent for new apartment.

So live in your car. Oops, can't make car payments, car repossessed.

[tholdren]

'It's Fairly Merciless' —

Texas To Resume Evictions

As San Antonio Renter Protection Ordinance Dies

unprotected renters without the ability to pay rent are at the mercy of their landlords.

“The legal process in the state of Texas is — it's fairly merciless with regard to residential tenants,” he said. “And so tenants have to rely on the discretion of the landlords.”

https://www.tpr.org/post/its-fairly-merciless-texas-resume-evictions-san-antonio-renter-protection-ordinance-dies (https://www.tpr.org/post/its-fairly-merciless-texas-resume-evictions-san-antonio-renter-protection-ordinance-dies)

You don't have job, you can't make rent, now you're homeless, and obviously don't have 3-months rent for new apartment.

So live in your car. Oops, can't make car payments, car repossessed.




Lots to think about with the govt and personal response to the virus. If you own a property and someone isn't paying their rent, there's a point where you run out of money too, I'm sure this is just another headline taken out of context. Its actually quite a lengthy process to evict in many states and laws for the vast majority over protect the renter not the landlord.

[Blake]

'It's Fairly Merciless' —

Texas To Resume Evictions

As San Antonio Renter Protection Ordinance Dies

unprotected renters without the ability to pay rent are at the mercy of their landlords.

“The legal process in the state of Texas is — it's fairly merciless with regard to residential tenants,” he said. “And so tenants have to rely on the discretion of the landlords.”

https://www.tpr.org/post/its-fairly-merciless-texas-resume-evictions-san-antonio-renter-protection-ordinance-dies (https://www.tpr.org/post/its-fairly-merciless-texas-resume-evictions-san-antonio-renter-protection-ordinance-dies)

You don't have job, you can't make rent, now you're homeless, and obviously don't have 3-months rent for new apartment.

So live in your car. Oops, can't make car payments, car repossessed.




I figured it would happen again but damn that's fast

[Blake]

"Texas reported 1,801 new COVID-19 cases on Saturday — the biggest single-day jump in cases since the pandemic began.

A growing outbreak in the Texas Panhandle is a big reason for the surge in cases. More than 700 new cases were reported out of Amarillo on Saturday with Texas Gov. Greg Abbott warning those numbers will continue to climb as the state increases testing in that hot spot...."

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/article/Massive-jump-in-Texas-COVID-19-cases-15275484.php

[RandomGuy]

Lots to think about with the govt and personal response to the virus. If you own a property and someone isn't paying their rent, there's a point where you run out of money too, I'm sure this is just another headline taken out of context. Its actually quite a lengthy process to evict in many states and laws for the vast majority over protect the renter not the landlord.

Texas is not one of those states. 24 hours in most cases.

[RandomGuy]

"Texas reported 1,801 new COVID-19 cases on Saturday — the biggest single-day jump in cases since the pandemic began.

A growing outbreak in the Texas Panhandle is a big reason for the surge in cases. More than 700 new cases were reported out of Amarillo on Saturday with Texas Gov. Greg Abbott warning those numbers will continue to climb as the state increases testing in that hot spot...."

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/article/Massive-jump-in-Texas-COVID-19-cases-15275484.php

:grim:


While the positive numbers and deaths are increasing, Abbott has consistently stressed the state’s death rate is far below most other states and the state still has plenty of hospital beds and ventilators available. Texas has 1,791 people hospitalized and has more than 17,000 available beds still.

Wow... 17,000 available hospital beds for 30M+ people.

Abbott is betting Republican control of the state on modern epidemiology being wrong about the behavior of this thing. It will be grim business when reality strikes back.

[ElNono]

lol texas thread inevitably boils down to questioning evolution

:lol

[tholdren]

Texas is not one of those states. 24 hours in most cases.

Wrong. How long does it take to evict someone in Texas? From start to finish approximately three weeks • 3 days from notice to vacate to filing of suit • 8-10 days to serve the citation -The law requires the defendant have a least six days no more than 10 days notice before the hearing.
https://www.taylorcountytexas.org › ...
Eviction process - Taylor County

[RandomGuy]

Wrong. How long does it take to evict someone in Texas? From start to finish approximately three weeks • 3 days from notice to vacate to filing of suit • 8-10 days to serve the citation -The law requires the defendant have a least six days no more than 10 days notice before the hearing.
https://www.taylorcountytexas.org › ...
Eviction process - Taylor County

Hmm. Never took us that long. Usually when we threatened to change the locks people left pretty voluntarily. We never had to go to court to get people out when they weren't paying.

[tholdren]

Hmm. Never took us that long. Usually when we threatened to change the locks people left pretty voluntarily. We never had to go to court to get people out when they weren't paying.

And that is illegal.

[Blake]

Hmm. Never took us that long. Usually when we threatened to change the locks people left pretty voluntarily. We never had to go to court to get people out when they weren't paying.

Lol yeah I wouldn't go changing the locks like that again.

A proper eviction in SA when tenants don't want to leave involves the court and usually a peace officer.

[Blake]

"After being effectively shuttered for months, and putting thousands of bartenders and servers out of work, bars in Texas will be allowed to reopen Friday, Abbott said.

Under new guidelines, bars will be allowed to reopen at 25 percent capacity under very strict guidelines, he said. Breweries, wineries and wine tasting rooms are also included under these new guidelines.

Likewise restaurants, which had already been allowed to reopen at 25 percent capacity will be allowed to increase to 50 percent capacity starting Friday...."

https://www.khou.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/starting-friday-texas-bars-can-open-at-25-percent-capacity-restaurants-up-to-50-percent-capacity/285-c2fce752-bd9e-407b-b0cc-ff559a587517

[CosmicCowboy]

:grim:


While the positive numbers and deaths are increasing, Abbott has consistently stressed the state’s death rate is far below most other states and the state still has plenty of hospital beds and ventilators available. Texas has 1,791 people hospitalized and has more than 17,000 available beds still.

Wow... 17,000 available hospital beds for 30M+ people.

Abbott is betting Republican control of the state on modern epidemiology being wrong about the behavior of this thing. It will be grim business when reality strikes back.

It's pretty logical that confirmed case counts would rise as testing increases.

[boutons_deux]

"After being effectively shuttered for months, and putting thousands of bartenders and servers out of work, bars in Texas will be allowed to reopen Friday, Abbott said.

Under new guidelines, bars will be allowed to reopen at 25 percent capacity under very strict guidelines, he said. Breweries, wineries and wine tasting rooms are also included under these new guidelines.

Likewise restaurants, which had already been allowed to reopen at 25 percent capacity will be allowed to increase to 50 percent capacity starting Friday...."

https://www.khou.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/starting-friday-texas-bars-can-open-at-25-percent-capacity-restaurants-up-to-50-percent-capacity/285-c2fce752-bd9e-407b-b0cc-ff559a587517

Bars with 25% customers will TRY to operate with reduced staff.

Drinkers "should" tip heavily as hazard pay for the bar staff sharing the risk,

or as one receipt said, automatically added "covid-19" fee of, eg, 25%.

[boutons_deux]

DA: Bexar Voters Can Apply for Mail-In Ballot to Avoid Coronavirus


https://therivardreport.com/bexar-county-district-attorney-joe-gonzales-mail-in-voting-coronavirus/

[CosmicCowboy]

Texas Rt is .88

https://rt.live/

[RandomGuy]

And that is illegal.

Dunno. Might not be remembering it correctly. Wife did the managing, I just did the books, and the couple we worked for had a good lawyer advising them. It has been over a decade, so my memory is a tad fuzzy.

[RandomGuy]

Texas Rt is .88

https://rt.live/

Interesting. I wonder how sensitive that is to states hiding nursing home deaths and cases. Looks like the social distancing and so forth we are all doing seems to have had the desired effect.

A lot of those graphs had lines for reopening, and the data hasn't been updated in about a week. Even in states have had official steps taken at reopening, a lot of people have kept hunkering down, so it will be hard to tell exactly what the effect of reopening is going to have on a consistent basis.

I am guessing that trying to return to mostly normal is going to cause a very predictable uptick in most places. Funny that solid red states seem to inhabit most of the slots on the right side of that list.

[picnroll]

Live updates: Texas coronavirus cases surge as restaurants, gyms, bars, and childcare facilities reopen

https://www.businessinsider.com/texas-governor-greg-abbott-lifts-coronavirus-restrictions-new-cases-2020-5

Abbott needs to follow the FL governor’s lead and not allow the actual number of cases and deaths be reported.

[Blake]

"PLANO, Texas - A megachurch with three campuses and more than 40,000 members in North Texas will reopen next weekend...."

https://www.fox4news.com/news/north-texas-megachurch-preparing-to-hold-in-person-services

Gonna keep an eye on this one

[DMC]

Live updates: Texas coronavirus cases surge as restaurants, gyms, bars, and childcare facilities reopen

https://www.businessinsider.com/texas-governor-greg-abbott-lifts-coronavirus-restrictions-new-cases-2020-5

Abbott needs to follow the FL governor’s lead and not allow the actual number of cases and deaths be reported.

Works well in other countries and you faggots love them for it.

[koriwhat]

Works well in other countries and you faggots love them for it.

Fr! :tu

[boutons_deux]

HEB, unlike some big national chains, is extending its hazard pay increase for hourly employees, rather than stopping it

[Blake]

Works well in other countries and you faggots love them for it.

Honest broker!

[Blake]

HEB, unlike some big national chains, is extending its hazard pay increase for hourly employees, rather than stopping it

HEB like all national chains still pay their employees shit.

But I love their ice cream.

[Spurtacular]

Live updates: Texas coronavirus cases surge as restaurants, gyms, bars, and childcare facilities reopen

https://www.businessinsider.com/texas-governor-greg-abbott-lifts-coronavirus-restrictions-new-cases-2020-5

Abbott needs to follow the FL governor’s lead and not allow the actual number of cases and deaths be reported.

Unsurprising with all those metropolises.

Do you think that Texas can just wait it out?

What's your plan?

[Blake]

"AUSTIN (CBSDFW.COM) — The novel coronavirus has now directly touched the highest court in the state of Texas.

State Supreme Court Justice Debra Lehrmann and her husband have both tested positive for COVID-19.

In a tweet Lehrmann said she and her husband, Greg, started exhibiting symptoms — including fevers and body aches — last week. The pair became ill after the Justice said they had “diligently” complied with stay-at-home orders since March.

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/05/21/texas-supreme-court-justice-debra-lehrmann-positive-covid-19/

[Blake]

"KWTX) Two-dozen new COVID-19 cases were confirmed Thursday in Central Texas, increasing the total for the region to 776, while the statewide count rose by 945 to 52,268.

The Texas Department of Human Services reported Thursday that 30,341 patients have recovered, 19,664 cases remain active and 1,680 patients are hospitalized...."

https://www.kwtx.com/content/news/Texas-COVID-19-cases-up-3500-since-Friday-area-count-near-720-570571331.html

[Blake]

"GRAYSON COUNTY, Texas (KXII) Grayson County health officials confirmed the first death related to COVID-19, a man in his 50s from Denison.

Family members told KXII in Sherman the man was a forklift operator at Tyson Foods in Sherman, where multiple employees say about 270 people have tested positive for COVID-19.

The man was feeling sick and was short of breath Tuesday morning, so he drove himself to the hospital, where he went into cardiac arrest, family members said.

He was tested last week for the virus and was still waiting for results when he died.

COVID-19 was reported as the cause of death.

Last week, the Texas Department of Emergency Management tested every worker at the plant, but employees say as results come in, the outbreak keeps growing.

"I mean today they were just coming basically as they were getting results in, they were coming and getting people and escorting them out of the building and telling them to go on a two-week quarantine," an employee who spoke with KXII on condition of anonymity said.

He was at the doctor's office to get tested again....."

https://www.kwtx.com/content/news/270-Texas-food-plant-workers-have-COVID-19-one-has-died-570630511.html

[tholdren]

remember when ChumpDumper said that the gunshot deaths listed as covid deaths was only a one time thing, an anecdote? How about now? He's wrong again. Per the Seattle times

[ChumpDumper]

remember when ChumpDumper said that the gunshot deaths listed as covid deaths was only a one time thing, an anecdote? How about now? He's wrong again. Per the Seattle timesI don't remember that. Show where I said it was a one-time thing.

Let's see it.

[tholdren]

I don't remember that. Show where I said it was a one-time thing.

Let's see it.

What was that about anecdote?.... lol you are so dumb

[ChumpDumper]

What was that about anecdote?.... lol you are so dumbShow where I said it was a one-time thing.

Let's see it.

You're free to say you were wrong about that.

[tholdren]

Show where I said it was a one-time thing.

Let's see it.

You're free to say you were wrong about that.

Lol what does anecdote mean?

[ChumpDumper]

Lol what does anecdote mean?Show where I said it was a one-time thing.

Let's see it.

You're free to say you were wrong about that.

[tholdren]

Show where I said it was a one-time thing.

Let's see it.

You're free to say you were wrong about that.
So you don't know what anecdote means, why you use those words with that connotation then?

[ChumpDumper]

So you don't know what anecdote means, why you use those words with that connotation then?Show where I said it was a one-time thing.

Let's see it.

You're free to say you were wrong about that.

[tholdren]

really? So you don't know what anecdote means, why you use those words with that connotation then?

Just keep saying the same thing I usually let you be after 6 or 7 times. But you still haven't been able to get that either. You are slow.

[boutons_deux]

Texas hits worst unemployment rate on record — 1 in 8 Texans are out of work

The state’s April jobless rate was 12.8% — Texas’ worst monthly tally on record.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/texas-hits-worst-unemployment-rate-on-record-1-in-8-texans-are-out-of-work/

[DarrinS]

Texas hits worst unemployment rate on record — 1 in 8 Texans are out of work

The state’s April jobless rate was 12.8% — Texas’ worst monthly tally on record.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/texas-hits-worst-unemployment-rate-on-record-1-in-8-texans-are-out-of-work/

Lockdown has consequences

[baseline bum]

Lockdown has consequences

And also not doing anything about the virus for two months.

[DarrinS]

And also not doing anything about the virus for two months.

We should have built a giant bubble over America, tbh.

[Blake]

We should have built a giant bubble over America, tbh.

Or just keep the economy running and let the weak die out

[ElNono]

We should have built a giant bubble over America, tbh.

Texas-sized strawman, tbh

[pgardn]

Or, he just doesn’t believe the president should have any leadership role in medical and economic situations that arise during pandemics.

[baseline bum]

We should have built a giant bubble over America, tbh.

Or testing, contact tracing, PPE production, etc

[DarrinS]

Or just keep the economy running and let the weak die out

This

[Play Boban]

Or testing, contact tracing, PPE production, etc
lots of liberal buzzwords that mean nothing :lol

[ChumpDumper]

really? So you don't know what anecdote means, why you use those words with that connotation then?

Just keep saying the same thing I usually let you be after 6 or 7 times. But you still haven't been able to get that either. You are slow.Eh, all you had to do was say you're wrong.

Because you're wrong.

It's OK.

[ChumpDumper]

ThisBecause after a few weeks of curling into the fetal position you decided you were strong.

Everyone saw you, Darrin.

[boutons_deux]

Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick laughs at Texans’ fear to vote in person during a pandemic

said Friday that efforts to expand mail-in voting during the coronavirus amount to a “scam by Democrats to steal the election” and

claimed that people under 65 are at more risk of dying in a car wreck on the way to vote than they are from dying from the new coronavirus because they voted in person.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/lt-gov-dan-patrick-laughs-at-texans-fear-to-vote-in-person-during-a-pandemic/?
utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4615&recip_id=298460&list_id=1 (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/lt-gov-dan-patrick-laughs-at-texans-fear-to-vote-in-person-during-a-pandemic/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4615&recip_id=298460&list_id=1)

Repugs do not want a high turnout to scuttle the years of successfully suppressing, disenfranchising voters in slave state Texas.

Shithole TX Repugs only took a couple hours to react, they were primed, after SCOTUS gutted the Voting Rights Act.

Shitbag Repugs are frauds, cheaters, can only win by fraud, lying, cheating, denying people their Constitutional rights.

[Trainwreck2100]

Texas-sized strawman, tbh

To fit over america it would have to be america sized

[Blake]

To fit over america it would have to be america sized

Texas is pretty fat tho

[Blake]

"During a news conference on Friday, Mayor Turner said he will not extend any resources to enforce citations if a bar or restaurant is caught not following the 25 percent capacity rule.

"Like I said, we will go out there, we will ensure that we are having conversations with the business owners to try to provide a safe environment for those establishments, but that is our only focus - education and information," Houston Fire Department Chief Samuel Peña said.

The mayor mentioned two incidents where the city attempted to enforce the governor's order, but was sued in both cases. Turner said in those instances, the city did not receive backup from the governor or the state.

"Once we see that the state is willing to enforce its own order, then we will enforce the order," Turner said. "But, what we don't want to do, we don't want the city of Houston to be caught in between."..."

https://abc13.com/mayor-of-houston-turner-said-hes-not-enforcing-restaurant-restrictions/6204734/

So nobody is really enforcing any kind of capacity limits or social distancing. Shocker.

[tholdren]

"During a news conference on Friday, Mayor Turner said he will not extend any resources to enforce citations if a bar or restaurant is caught not following the 25 percent capacity rule.

"Like I said, we will go out there, we will ensure that we are having conversations with the business owners to try to provide a safe environment for those establishments, but that is our only focus - education and information," Houston Fire Department Chief Samuel Peña said.

The mayor mentioned two incidents where the city attempted to enforce the governor's order, but was sued in both cases. Turner said in those instances, the city did not receive backup from the governor or the state.

"Once we see that the state is willing to enforce its own order, then we will enforce the order," Turner said. "But, what we don't want to do, we don't want the city of Houston to be caught in between."..."

https://abc13.com/mayor-of-houston-turner-said-hes-not-enforcing-restaurant-restrictions/6204734/

So nobody is really enforcing any kind of capacity limits or social distancing. Shocker.
Who tells on more businesses anonymously? You, ChumpDumper or baseline bum?

[DMC]

We should have built a giant bubble over America, tbh.

A cloth mask would have been fine

[DMC]

This

Liberals: "POTUS should let everybody in!"

Liberals 2 months later: "POTUS shouldn't have let anybody in!"

[Blake]

Liberals: "POTUS should let everybody in!"


Nobody has ever said that

[Blake]

Who tells on more businesses anonymously? You, ChumpDumper or baseline bum?

There's nobody to call

[baseline bum]

"During a news conference on Friday, Mayor Turner said he will not extend any resources to enforce citations if a bar or restaurant is caught not following the 25 percent capacity rule.

"Like I said, we will go out there, we will ensure that we are having conversations with the business owners to try to provide a safe environment for those establishments, but that is our only focus - education and information," Houston Fire Department Chief Samuel Peña said.

The mayor mentioned two incidents where the city attempted to enforce the governor's order, but was sued in both cases. Turner said in those instances, the city did not receive backup from the governor or the state.

"Once we see that the state is willing to enforce its own order, then we will enforce the order," Turner said. "But, what we don't want to do, we don't want the city of Houston to be caught in between."..."

https://abc13.com/mayor-of-houston-turner-said-hes-not-enforcing-restaurant-restrictions/6204734/

So nobody is really enforcing any kind of capacity limits or social distancing. Shocker.

So like I said, all of Abbott's rules have just been PR.

[Blake]

So like I said, all of Abbott's rules have just been PR.

Which may backfire

[tholdren]

Who tells on more businesses anonymously? You, ChumpDumper or baseline bum?

Beaches have been in full swing for weeks. Tourists everywhere. Quick call the government gang. Anonymous tip time


Lol baseline bum ChumpDumper and that other guy

[boutons_deux]

Which may backfire

shithole TX run by shitbag Repugs, now leading the states in wrong direction, cases increasing, R0 highest

https://rt.live/

[tholdren]

shithole TX run by shitbag Repugs, now leading the states in wrong direction, cases increasing, R0 highest

https://rt.live/

So in short the virus is not spreading in Georgia Florida or 45 other states. Great news.

[Blake]

1264676410330939398

[tholdren]

So like I said, all of Abbott's rules have just been PR.

Lolololil wrong

[boutons_deux]

Texas leads the country at coronavirus spread


In 24 states, however, the model shows a reproduction number over 1. Texas tops the list, followed by Arizona, Illinois, Colorado, Ohio, Minnesota, Indiana, Iowa, Alabama and Wisconsin.

https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/Study-estimates-24-states-still-have-uncontrolled-15290118.php?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mysa_morningheadlines&utm_content=news&stn=nf

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=c5ffe9fe07&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-a:r5054927267218395956&th=17251b52a9f92d2f&view=fimg&sz=s0-l75-ft&attbid=ANGjdJ9YXNu4TV_mdeIzUXarJWHMqb-xvaxd-OeXHfYnFL8jEIeUz4FFiDf07W-piH6CJZM4imysE8v6CekKQbzDBRZ9GUcxkd-JFL7675cQxA2ZOEOCO_W1QWGcqtc&disp=emb&realattid=ii_kao3tt5i0

[tholdren]

Hmmmmm. What tests are included here?

[DarrinS]

Texas leads the country at coronavirus spread


In 24 states, however, the model shows a reproduction number over 1. Texas tops the list, followed by Arizona, Illinois, Colorado, Ohio, Minnesota, Indiana, Iowa, Alabama and Wisconsin.

https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/Study-estimates-24-states-still-have-uncontrolled-15290118.php?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mysa_morningheadlines&utm_content=news&stn=nf

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=c5ffe9fe07&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-a:r5054927267218395956&th=17251b52a9f92d2f&view=fimg&sz=s0-l75-ft&attbid=ANGjdJ9YXNu4TV_mdeIzUXarJWHMqb-xvaxd-OeXHfYnFL8jEIeUz4FFiDf07W-piH6CJZM4imysE8v6CekKQbzDBRZ9GUcxkd-JFL7675cQxA2ZOEOCO_W1QWGcqtc&disp=emb&realattid=ii_kao3tt5i0


Lol, Imperial College model

"Our mobility scenarios do not account for additional interventions that may be implemented, such as testing and contact tracing, or additional behavioural modifiers, such as increased use of masks and as such, our scenarios should be considered pessimistic."

[DarrinS]

Lol, modeling R0 based on mobility.

[boutons_deux]

Texas cases and deaths continue to increase.

[DarrinS]

Texas cases and deaths continue to increase.

Increased testing. What's going on with the positivity rate?

[baseline bum]

Lol, Imperial College model

"Our mobility scenarios do not account for additional interventions that may be implemented, such as testing and contact tracing, or additional behavioural modifiers, such as increased use of masks and as such, our scenarios should be considered pessimistic."

Mask use has dropped off a cliff these last few days in the San Antonio area. When I was in Walmart a couple of days ago I'd say it was just a little over 50/50 on people wearing masks vs not.

[DarrinS]

Mask use has dropped off a cliff these last few days in the San Antonio area. When I was in Walmart a couple of days ago I'd say it was just a little over 50/50 on people wearing masks vs not.

Bexar county had 7 new cases yesterday.

[ChumpDumper]

Mask use has dropped off a cliff these last few days in the San Antonio area. When I was in Walmart a couple of days ago I'd say it was just a little over 50/50 on people wearing masks vs not.Yep. Obviously everyone wised up to the Bill Gates scheme to murder everyone with hypoxia from wearing cloth masks.

[tholdren]

Mask use has dropped off a cliff these last few days in the San Antonio area. When I was in Walmart a couple of days ago I'd say it was just a little over 50/50 on people wearing masks vs not.
Lol cdc used that data for reporting new cases. Lol

[phxspurfan]

Mask use has dropped off a cliff these last few days in the San Antonio area. When I was in Walmart a couple of days ago I'd say it was just a little over 50/50 on people wearing masks vs not.

Agree, seen much fewer masks in and around SA in the last 2 weeks. No one seems to care anymore. Also big gatherings and crowds everywhere. Hoax

[elbamba1]

I would stick to HEB - they still require masks.

[DMC]

Increased testing. What's going on with the positivity rate?

I tell people things ahead of time and then they act shocked when it happens.

[ChumpDumper]

I would stick to HEB - they still require masks.
We've been getting curbside at the big stores. Not really worth going inside until they go back to regular hours. I'll pop into Dollar General at opening or a 24 hour CVS late if I need something more immediately.

[TimDunkem]

Increased testing. What's going on with the positivity rate?

Hardly. You still can't be tested unless you have severe symptoms in many places. Even Nirinberg said the increase in cases isn't related to increased testing.

As usual, you have no clue what you're talking about.

[ChumpDumper]

Increased testing. What's going on with the positivity rate?Well according to the DSHS testing has about doubled in the past three weeks and the positivity rate went from 5.68% to 4.87% with a spike up to 6.92% along the way.

What does all that mean to the ST Science Force?

[boutons_deux]

Well according to the DSHS testing has about doubled in the past three weeks and the positivity rate went from 5.68% to 4.87% with a spike up to 6.92% along the way.

What does all that mean to the ST Science Force?

Trash invited over 100 test suppliers, nearly all was garbage. FDA has approved less than 15, so first question is which test(s) is TX using?

Even the test in the WH is flakey.

[ChumpDumper]

Trash invited over 100 test suppliers, nearly was garbage. FDA has approved less than 15, so first question is which test(s) is TX using?

Even the test in the WH is flakey.Texas counted antibody tests as virus tests until two weeks ago.

[DarrinS]

Hardly. You still can't be tested unless you have severe symptoms in many places. Even Nirinberg said the increase in cases isn't related to increased testing.

As usual, you have no clue what you're talking about.


They are testing asymptomatic people in SA.

We had 7 cases yesterday. Prior to that, there were some days with high number of cases, mostly due to the county jail.

[DarrinS]

Well according to the DSHS testing has about doubled in the past three weeks and the positivity rate went from 5.68% to 4.87% with a spike up to 6.92% along the way.

What does all that mean to the ST Science Force?

It was over 10% in April.

[Blake]

Texas cases and deaths continue to increase.

TIME TO OPEN UP!

[Blake]

They are testing asymptomatic people in SA.

We had 7 cases yesterday. Prior to that, there were some days with high number of cases, mostly due to the county jail.

How many asymptomatic people were tested?

[tholdren]

Well according to the DSHS testing has about doubled in the past three weeks and the positivity rate went from 5.68% to 4.87% with a spike up to 6.92% along the way.

What does all that mean to the ST Science Force?

It means that you don't understand how lagged data and cdc reporting numbers are being fed to you. Remember, i tried to explain it to you weeks ago and also recently pointed you to cdc releases that you failed to read or comprehend.

[tholdren]

Texas counted antibody tests as virus tests until two weeks ago.

Oh man, you're on to something now....

[baseline bum]

Bexar county had 7 new cases yesterday.

Man I hope this post doesn't age like when ducks was saying it was only 56 dead.

[baseline bum]

Texas counted antibody tests as virus tests until two weeks ago.

Knew that positivity rate sounded like bullshit when I heard Abbott boasting about it in his press conference for opening the state early in the month.

[tholdren]

Knew that positivity rate sounded like bullshit when I heard Abbott boasting about it in his press conference for opening the state early in the month.

You understand what mixing those counts did, right?

[ChumpDumper]

It was over 10% in April.I didn't ask about April. I asked about the last three weeks when testing doubled.

What do the numbers these past three weeks mean?

[ChumpDumper]

It meansDon't reply if you aren't going to answer.

[DarrinS]

I didn't ask about April. I asked about the last three weeks when testing doubled.

What do the numbers these past three weeks mean?

It means they're lower than April.

[ChumpDumper]

It means they're lower than April.Should they have lowered more while the testing doubled?

What rate are you expecting in the future?

Come on, post your projections. Why are you withholding your science?

[tholdren]

Should they have lowered more while the testing doubled?

What rate are you expecting in the future?

Come on, post your projections. Why are you withholding your science?

Lol bwagahhahaha this response is why you don't understand. Lol just like Kansas and just like wetmarket. Man this keeps getting better.

[ChumpDumper]

[meltdown]What do the numbers from the last three weeks mean?

Do they meet your projections you claim to have made?

[tholdren]

What do the numbers from the last three weeks mean?

Do they meet your projections you claim to have made?

Kind of, but there's still posturing by different states during as how they are collecting, figuring, and releasing the data. Which again is why you look foolish because only now are you "catching" it.

But....

You still think its valid and reliable for anything. Which is the ultimate irony.

[ChumpDumper]

Kind of, but there's still posturing by different states during as how they are collecting, figuring, and releasing the data. Which again is why you look foolish because only now are you "catching" it.

But....

You still think its valid and reliable for anything. Which is the ultimate irony.:lmao "kind of"
:lmao "posturing"

Such precise scientific terms from the "scientist."

but continue

[DarrinS]

Should they have lowered more while the testing doubled?

What rate are you expecting in the future?

Come on, post your projections. Why are you withholding your science?


Rate is independent of sample size. If anything, you'd expect rate to increase if you expanded testing to asymptomatic people.

[ChumpDumper]

Rate is independent of sample size. If anything, you'd expect rate to increase if you expanded testing to asymptomatic people.The numbers aren't doing what you'd expect?

Wow.

[DarrinS]

The numbers aren't doing what you'd expect?

Wow.

Yeah, they're lower.

[tholdren]

Rate is independent of sample size. If anything, you'd expect rate to increase if you expanded testing to asymptomatic people.
They were counting antibody tests as new case positives. You know those scientists at the cdc

[Blake]

Rate is independent of sample size. If anything, you'd expect rate to increase if you expanded testing to asymptomatic people.

How many asymptomatic people are getting tested

[ChumpDumper]

They were counting antibody tests as new case positives. You know those scientists at the cdcDSHS

[boutons_deux]

cheap Repug whores deliver for Repug voter suppression

Texas Supreme Court: Lack of immunity to coronavirus alone isn’t enough for mail-in ballot

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/texas-supreme-court-lack-of-immunity-to-coronavirus-alone-isnt-enough-for-mail-in-ballot/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[boutons_deux]

Shithole Texas Supreme Court triggers outrage by denying mail-in ballots to at-risk voters:

‘Brazen and corrupt’

The decision triggered outrage immediately on social media, with some commenters noting that

the justices themselves issued this decision remotely to keep themselves safe.

Others noted that four of the justices themselves are up for re-election, and

thus their own candidacies stand to be affected by the ruling.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/texas-supreme-court-triggers-outrage-by-denying-mail-in-ballots-to-at-risk-voters-brazen-and-corrupt/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29 (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/texas-supreme-court-triggers-outrage-by-denying-mail-in-ballots-to-at-risk-voters-brazen-and-corrupt/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29)

Elected judges FOR SALE to highest bidder.

[tholdren]

Infectious disease experts in Canada report a .0006 rate of death under 65. Flu?

[phxspurfan]

Infectious disease experts in Canada report a .0006 rate of death under 65. Flu?

I think most already kind of know this due to the amount of asymptomatic people who don’t even know they have it. Problem is it lands a lot of people in the hospital, so if your areas hospitals aren’t great, you may be in trouble

[Blake]

1263937751872868353

Batshit crazy Cynthia Brehm needs to just go away

[Spurtacular]

1263937751872868353

Batshit crazy Cynthia Brehm needs to just go away

Why do you hate prosperity, board cuckold?

[Blake]

Why do you hate prosperity, board cuckold?

Batshit board retard needs to just go away

[Blake]

"SHERMAN, Texas (KXII) Sherman and Denison made the New York Times over the weekend, in an article detailing cities with the highest daily growth number of COVID-19 positive cases, in the nation.

The article says Sherman and Denison are among the top leading metro cities across the country to have a spike in positive cases within the last two weeks.

The New York Times reports that Sherman and Denison have a growth rate of 10%.

After reading the article, Grayson County Judge Bill Magers said the numbers are not community spread and the city has identified where the new positive cases came from.

"We're going to more positives in Grayson County, that's just the nature of the beast," Magers said.

"But because of our proactive health department, (and) because of the things we are doing with the state, we're following the governor’s protocols, I am not alarmed by these numbers. I'm disappointed, as everyone should be, but again we are working with these industries to identify these individuals and separate them from the community, so I think we're going to be just fine," Magers said.

The article continues to update and as of Tuesday, Sherman-Denison had the second highest rate of positive cases per day..."

https://www.kwtx.com/content/news/New-York-Times-Texas-metro-leads-US-in-COVID-19-case-growth-570801021.html

DOING FINE.GIF

[boutons_deux]

"not community spread"

:lol Repugs are so fucking DUMB

[CosmicCowboy]

1263937751872868353

Batshit crazy Cynthia Brehm needs to just go away

I absolutely agree with this. That bitch is crazy and a total embarrassment.

[Spurtacular]

Batshit board retard needs to just go away

Are you still scared of the COVID boogeyman?

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/jonmachota/status/1266095671666446337?s=19

:tu

[Blake]

https://twitter.com/jonmachota/status/1266095671666446337?s=19

:tu

So 20000 fans are ok at Jerryworld.

Jeez

[tholdren]

https://twitter.com/jonmachota/status/1266095671666446337?s=19

:tu
Too low

[Chris]

Too low

baby steps

[Blake]

baby steps

What for? The numbers aren't trending down any and there isn't anyone enforcing these capacity rules. May as well open all the way.

Like baseline bum has said, this is all just optics

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, we're just opening up on an arbitrary schedule. Open it all now.

[tholdren]

Yeah, we're just opening up on an arbitrary schedule. Open it all now.

lol you were wrong.

[tholdren]

Yeah, we're just opening up on an arbitrary schedule. Open it all now.
Its so dangerous with that curve right mr kansas?

[Blake]

Its so dangerous with that curve right mr kansas?

Go bite ankles somewhere else

[tholdren]

Go bite ankles somewhere else

So sad the riots took away your covid news

[ChumpDumper]

Go bite ankles somewhere elselol muh Sweden shit on him

[leemajors]

Is he sbm?

[pgardn]

I absolutely agree with this. That bitch is crazy and a total embarrassment.

why have the powers that be on the red team not thrown her out?

they know she’s nuts.

[tholdren]

lol muh Sweden shit on him

Not really.

[ChumpDumper]

Not really.Why do they have so many more deaths than Norway, Denmark and Finland?

[tholdren]

Why do they have so many more deaths than Norway, Denmark and Finland?
Tell us about the dangers of these riots.... which state will be more decimated by covid, Minnesota or Georgia?

Also the WHO says masks aren't necessary...... bwahahahhahaha you

[boutons_deux]

why have the powers that be on the red team not thrown her out?

they know she’s nuts.

because in their oppressive, conformist herd, you must go along to get along. Conform or die.

Going against Brehm, or Trash, will get you excluded, "primaried", from the herd.

eg, the craven complicity, from dickless silence to enthusiastic speech, of the entire Repug party with Trash.

Trash and the Repugs have proven: America is fucked and unfuckable

[ChumpDumper]

Tell us about the dangers of these riots.... which state will be more decimated by covid, Minnesota or Georgia?

Also the WHO says masks aren't necessary...... bwahahahhahaha you:lol "scientist" afraid to talk about his science. You lose.

[tholdren]

:lol "scientist" afraid to talk about his science. You lose.

Nope just waiting to prove you wrong. Youve been Mia since the data keeps coming in....

[DMC]

Too low

Should be ok for a normal season Spurs game tbh

[ChumpDumper]

NopeOK, then answer this with your science:

Why does Sweden have so many more deaths than Norway, Denmark and Finland?

[tholdren]

OK, then answer this with your science:

Why does Sweden have so many more deaths than Norway, Denmark and Finland?
Maybe because they have less than half the population. How about Belgium v Sweden? Whoops

[ChumpDumper]

Maybe because they have less than half the population.Nope, even accounting for the population difference, there are markedly fewer deaths in Norway, Denmark and Finland.

So try to focus and give your scientific answer. Why does Sweden have so many more deaths than Norway, Denmark and Finland?

[tholdren]

Nope, even accounting for the population difference, there are markedly fewer deaths in Norway, Denmark and Finland.

So try to focus and give your scientific answer. Why does Sweden have so many more deaths than Norway, Denmark and Finland?
Nah. But good try.

[ChumpDumper]

Nah. But good try.Good try what?

Use your science words and don't try to change the subject.

[tholdren]

Good try what?

Use your science words and don't try to change the subject.

good try with the lockdowns work gossip. Swedens economy grew and they didn't have to falsify data to prove a point. Please tell us more, since you thought all of the hospitals in the USA were over capacity. Lol you

[ChumpDumper]

good try with the lockdowns work gossip. Swedens economy grew and they didn't have to falsify data to prove a point. Please tell us more, since you thought all of the hospitals in the USA were over capacity. Lol youYep, you had to change the subject because you're afraid your losing. That means you lose.

lol you're so terrified of science

[tholdren]

Yep, you had to change the subject because you're afraid your losing. That means you lose.

lol you're so terrified of science

Nah you said new cases. Hysterical.

[ChumpDumper]

Nah you said new cases. Hysterical.:lmao now you're getting threads confused. Are you drunk again?

[tholdren]

:lmao now you're getting threads confused. Are you drunk again?
Nope just calling you out on each thread so you can't run away. Like usual

[ChumpDumper]

Nope just calling you out on each thread so you can't run away. Like usualOh, so I can call out your sheer terror in every thread.:lol

[tholdren]

The virus is in Austin. I don't know how they calculate daily cases, but dag nabbit its true! #Science.

[ChumpDumper]

The virus is in Austin. I don't know how they calculate daily cases, but dag nabbit its true! #Science.Yep, you folded and tried to change the subject. Bwahahahaha #science

[tholdren]

Yep, you folded and tried to change the subject. Bwahahahaha #science
Say more about those daily case rates.... lol

[DMC]

Rodeo posting with chump is like watching a retard fingerpaint with their own shit - eventually you know warning them isn't doing any good and they have no intention of ever stopping.

[Blake]

Rodeo posting with chump is like watching a retard fingerpaint with their own shit - eventually you know warning them isn't doing any good and they have no intention of ever stopping.

That's rich

[ChumpDumper]

Say more about those daily case rates.... lolYou already folded your science tent and cried all the way home with that one....lol you lost.

[ChumpDumper]

Rodeo posting with chump is like watching a retard fingerpaint with their own shit - eventually you know warning them isn't doing any good and they have no intention of ever stopping.Meh, you're still salty that you were schooled on imply/infer and you're afraid of leaving your perch on the fence.

[tholdren]

Meh, you're still salty that you were schooled on imply/infer and you're afraid of leaving your perch on the fence.
You watch the hobbit

[ChumpDumper]

You watch the hobbitYou pretend to be a scientist.

[boutons_deux]

Santikos is offering free movie tickets to high school and college graduates this week

https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Santikos-is-offering-free-movie-tickets-to-15308517.php (https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Santikos-is-offering-free-movie-tickets-to-15308517.php)

[tholdren]

You pretend to be a scientist.

You keep trying to prove points by saying frodo did this or the hobbits did that. You are definitely in hiding.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1267654339209953285?s=19

[Blake]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1267654339209953285?s=19

Even the stupid can get lucky

[Chris]

Even the stupid can get lucky

ikr someone actually married and procreated with you

[Blake]

ikr someone actually married and procreated with you

Well maybe someday you'll get lucky

[boutons_deux]

Even the stupid can get lucky

the fat lady ain't sung, yet

shithole TX continues to be a red spreader, along with a lot of other shithole Repug states

https://rt.live/

[boutons_deux]

Texas’ sales tax haul drops by biggest percentage in a decade, signaling budget crisis
The coronavirus outbreak is creating a budget crisis for Texas of historic proportions,

as sales tax collections for the lock-down month of April

slumped by the biggest percentage – 13.2 –

seen in a decade and smaller sources of revenue such

as hotel occupancy and booze taxes racked up their steepest declines on record.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2020/06/01/texas-sales-tax-haul-drops-by-biggest-percentage-in-a-decade-signaling-budget-crisis/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Trump+s+law+and+order+declaration%2C+T exas++coronavirus-related+budget+woes%2C+Democrats+want+Biden+to+foc us+on+Texas&utm_campaign=politics_06022020

Should be the same with FL and any big state that is financed with regressive sales taxes rather then income taxes.

[CosmicCowboy]

Texas’ sales tax haul drops by biggest percentage in a decade, signaling budget crisis
The coronavirus outbreak is creating a budget crisis for Texas of historic proportions,

as sales tax collections for the lock-down month of April

slumped by the biggest percentage – 13.2 –

seen in a decade and smaller sources of revenue such

as hotel occupancy and booze taxes racked up their steepest declines on record.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2020/06/01/texas-sales-tax-haul-drops-by-biggest-percentage-in-a-decade-signaling-budget-crisis/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Trump+s+law+and+order+declaration%2C+T exas++coronavirus-related+budget+woes%2C+Democrats+want+Biden+to+foc us+on+Texas&utm_campaign=politics_06022020

Should be the same with FL and any big state that is financed with regressive sales taxes rather then income taxes.




uhhh....States with income tax will take the same hit. Incomes are down with unemployment and business closures.

[tholdren]

the fat lady ain't sung, yet

shithole TX continues to be a red spreader, along with a lot of other shithole Repug states

https://rt.live/

has everything to do with data manipulation and yes ChumpDumper, timing.... but you already knew that

[Blake]

"The total announced Friday in Dallas County was the highest single-day amount of cases since the start of the pandemic. The previous high came just one day earlier, on Thursday....

https://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-sees-record-uptick-covid-19-cases-protests/story?id=71089826

[tholdren]

"The total announced Friday in Dallas County was the highest single-day amount of cases since the start of the pandemic. The previous high came just one day earlier, on Thursday....

https://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-sees-record-uptick-covid-19-cases-protests/story?id=71089826

Now look at their testing increases those days.

[DarrinS]

"The total announced Friday in Dallas County was the highest single-day amount of cases since the start of the pandemic. The previous high came just one day earlier, on Thursday....

https://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-sees-record-uptick-covid-19-cases-protests/story?id=71089826


I hope they are collecting data on whether these people attended protests. We need to learn whether those conditions contribute to spread.

[pgardn]

I hope they are collecting data on whether these people attended protests. We need to learn whether those conditions contribute to spread.

Yeah.
It could also coincide with the State "opening up", so it should be easy to tease what you wish to out of the numbers as we cant control these counts properly. As far as the contact tracing, you got a lot of overlap.

[DarrinS]

Yeah.
It could also coincide with the State "opening up", so it should be easy to tease what you wish to out of the numbers as we cant control these counts properly. As far as the contact tracing, you got a lot of overlap.

Then watch data from New York.

[pgardn]

Then watch data from New York.

NY is not Texas.

Again controls.

we can do the comparison but we have to mention what might have skewed the data

[boutons_deux]

here's some Hill Country people scrupulously respecting social distancing on the Frio River

https://www.hctc.net/resources/community/ (https://www.hctc.net/resources/community/)

[TimDunkem]

here's some Hill Country people scrupulously respecting social distancing on the Frio River

https://www.hctc.net/resources/community/ (https://www.hctc.net/resources/community/)


Speaking of the Hill Country, Medina's cases more than doubled in the past 24 hours. Another backlog?

[Blake]

I hope they are collecting data on whether these people attended protests. We need to learn whether those conditions contribute to spread.

Nope, too soon for protesters to contribute to spread

[DarrinS]

Nope, too soon for protesters to contribute to spread

You need to do more research. We on day 12 of protests.

[boutons_deux]

Texas sees a record spike in coronavirus cases amid protests



The number of positive cases of the coronavirus has been increasing in Texas, particularly in Harris County and Dallas County.
Dallas County hit a single-day high on Thursday with 285 new cases while Harris County recorded 222.
Concerns over a spike in new coronavirus cases have also risen amid widespread protests over police brutality across the US. (https://www.businessinsider.com/us-states-response-george-floyd-protests-curfews-national-guard-2020-6)
Texas is currently entering its third phase of reopening.


https://www.insider.com/texas-houston-dallas-cororavirus-cases-increase-spike-2020-6 (https://www.insider.com/texas-houston-dallas-cororavirus-cases-increase-spike-2020-6)

[DarrinS]

Texas sees a record spike in coronavirus cases amid protests



The number of positive cases of the coronavirus has been increasing in Texas, particularly in Harris County and Dallas County.
Dallas County hit a single-day high on Thursday with 285 new cases while Harris County recorded 222.
Concerns over a spike in new coronavirus cases have also risen amid widespread protests over police brutality across the US. (https://www.businessinsider.com/us-states-response-george-floyd-protests-curfews-national-guard-2020-6)
Texas is currently entering its third phase of reopening.


https://www.insider.com/texas-houston-dallas-cororavirus-cases-increase-spike-2020-6 (https://www.insider.com/texas-houston-dallas-cororavirus-cases-increase-spike-2020-6)


Would be difficult to separate new cases based on reopening vs protests in Texas. Better to look at a state like CA, which has been locked down pretty hard.

[Blake]

You need to do more research. We on day 12 of protests.

What did your research tell you, asshat?

[Blake]

Would be difficult to separate new cases based on reopening vs protests in Texas. Better to look at a state like CA, which has been locked down pretty hard.

Dr Darrin

[Spurtacular]

Dr Darrin

Pundit Cuck

[DarrinS]

What did your research tell you, asshat?


Dr Darrin


You are not a serious person.

[Blake]

You are not a serious person.

This was in the link I posted above:
" Dr. David Persse, medical director for the Houston Fire Department..... cautioned that the recent protests were unlikely to be the cause if there's a prolonged spike in cases.

"If it stays at this, this sort of same rate of increase, then I definitely won't say you can blame the protests," Persse said. "If anything, it's going to be the reopening of society and people becoming fatigued, if you will, with the precautions we've asked them to take."


It gets old spoon feeding lazy ass talking piece of shits like you. It's easier to just make fun of you and move on.

[Spurtacular]

This was in the link I posted above:
" Dr. David Persse, medical director for the Houston Fire Department..... cautioned that the recent protests were unlikely to be the cause if there's a prolonged spike in cases.

"If it stays at this, this sort of same rate of increase, then I definitely won't say you can blame the protests," Persse said. "If anything, it's going to be the reopening of society and people becoming fatigued, if you will, with the precautions we've asked them to take."


It gets old spoon feeding lazy ass talking piece of shits like you. It's easier to just make fun of you and move on.

:lol Then why the fuck we quarantining and social distancing in the first place, you stupid fucking cuck?
:lol 2+2=3 and 4
:lol TheGreatYacht (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=43719)

[ChumpDumper]

:lol Then why the fuck we quarantining and social distancing in the first place, you stupid fucking cuck?
:lol 2+2=3 and 4
:lol TheGreatYacht (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=43719)There was always going to be a rise in infections once restrictions were lifted. The issue is how many infections the governments are willing to live with in what period of time. Since no governments are actually saying what those are we can only guess that they're fine with anything up to and maybe including full hospital capacity, maybe more. Who knows? We probably won't get to that point in many places, so everyone can keep quiet about it.

[Blake]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/20f84c31e2d3f59a0667d3cffc4e1478/tenor.gif?itemid=4914512

[Spurtacular]

There was always going to be a rise in infections once restrictions were lifted. The issue is how many infections the governments are willing to live with in what period of time. Since no governments are actually saying what those are we can only guess that they're fine with anything up to and maybe including full hospital capacity, maybe more. Who knows? We probably won't get to that point in many places, so everyone can keep quiet about it.

How many extra COVID cases/deaths are these rioters adding?

[Spurtacular]

https://i.imgflip.com/2hnhr5.jpg

[Blake]

There was always going to be a rise in infections once restrictions were lifted. The issue is how many infections the governments are willing to live with in what period of time. Since no governments are actually saying what those are we can only guess that they're fine with anything up to and maybe including full hospital capacity, maybe more. Who knows? We probably won't get to that point in many places, so everyone can keep quiet about it.

Yah, I mean what happens if we do get to full hospital capacity in the big cities? Seems to me we're just gonna keep going full steam ahead, masks recommended but not mandatory.

https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/12/33/61/19512413/5/rawImage.jpg

"This is a trend we’re definitely keeping an eye on,” said Harris County Judge Lina Hidalgo. “If the numbers keep up in this direction, we could be headed to a place where we run out of hospital space, which obviously would be a problem.”

COVID-19 patients have occupied hospital intensive-care units in the nine-county Houston area at higher levels the first three days in June than they did on any single day in May, according to date compiled by the Southeast Texas Regional Advisory Council, a state group that coordinates the region’s emergency response to disasters. In Harris County, hospital admissions have increased at statistically significant levels the past two weeks......"

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/amp/COVID-19-cases-hospitalizations-spiking-in-15321171.php

[Spurtacular]

Yah, I mean what happens if we do get to full hospital capacity in the big cities? Seems to me we're just gonna keep going full steam ahead, masks recommended but not mandatory.

https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/12/33/61/19512413/5/rawImage.jpg

"This is a trend we’re definitely keeping an eye on,” said Harris County Judge Lina Hidalgo. “If the numbers keep up in this direction, we could be headed to a place where we run out of hospital space, which obviously would be a problem.”

COVID-19 patients have occupied hospital intensive-care units in the nine-county Houston area at higher levels the first three days in June than they did on any single day in May, according to date compiled by the Southeast Texas Regional Advisory Council, a state group that coordinates the region’s emergency response to disasters. In Harris County, hospital admissions have increased at statistically significant levels the past two weeks......"

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/amp/COVID-19-cases-hospitalizations-spiking-in-15321171.php

So a spike is less than when people were quarantining to your mind, cuck?

:lmao
TheGreatYacht

[TheGreatYacht]

So a spike is less than when people were quarantining to your mind, cuck?

:lmao
TheGreatYacht

Hoax

[TheGreatYacht]

:lol Then why the fuck we quarantining and social distancing in the first place, you stupid fucking cuck?
:lol 2+2=3 and 4
:lol TheGreatYacht (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=43719)

Chumpettes sees no evildoing from our government. The government is the most trustworthy and benevolent entity in the planet.

[tholdren]

Yah, I mean what happens if we do get to full hospital capacity in the big cities? Seems to me we're just gonna keep going full steam ahead, masks recommended but not mandatory.

https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/12/33/61/19512413/5/rawImage.jpg

"This is a trend we’re definitely keeping an eye on,” said Harris County Judge Lina Hidalgo. “If the numbers keep up in this direction, we could be headed to a place where we run out of hospital space, which obviously would be a problem.”

COVID-19 patients have occupied hospital intensive-care units in the nine-county Houston area at higher levels the first three days in June than they did on any single day in May, according to date compiled by the Southeast Texas Regional Advisory Council, a state group that coordinates the region’s emergency response to disasters. In Harris County, hospital admissions have increased at statistically significant levels the past two weeks......"

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/amp/COVID-19-cases-hospitalizations-spiking-in-15321171.php
Texas performed highest 4 day testing beginning June 1. Odd

[ChumpDumper]

Texas performed highest 4 day testing beginning June 1. OddIs that true for Houston or do I need to wait a few days to be able to tell?

https://www.tmc.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/6-Covid-19-testing-trends-6-5-2020-1536x864.png

[Spurtacular]

Chumpettes sees no evildoing from our government. The government is the most trustworthy and benevolent entity in the planet.

They don't believe that. The status quo comforts them though.
Chump comes and comforts himself all the time. Why should his minions be any different.

[ChumpDumper]

They don't believe that. The status quo comforts them though.
Chump comes and comforts himself all the time. Why should his minions be any different.What evildoing do you think the Trump government is up to right now?

[Spurtacular]

What evildoing do you think the Trump government is up to right now?

You tell me all the stuff he is doing with your girl...

https://i.imgur.com/NXzsJZn.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

You tell me all the stuff he is doing with your girl...derp immediately folds and cries and cries and cries and will now only post about men here.

[Spurtacular]

:cry

Yea, that was too uncomfortable for you.

[ChumpDumper]

Yea, that was too uncomfortable for you.Nope, I'm very comfortable watching you immediately fold when asked about your own claims. You cried out for me to help you talk about your own claim.:lmao

[tholdren]

Is that true for Houston or do I need to wait a few days to be able to tell?

https://www.tmc.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/6-Covid-19-testing-trends-6-5-2020-1536x864.png
You stopping 5 days ago, why?

[tholdren]

Nope, I'm very comfortable watching you immediately fold when asked about your own claims. You cried out for me to help you talk about your own claim.:lmao
When your testing drops and your positives increase then you are more than likely hot spot chasing. You dont understand numbers well enough to recognize. Go get randomguy and el nono they're dumb enough to take this graph as face value.

[boutons_deux]

There are two COVID-19 trends in Texas that are going in the wrong direction

the state reached its second-highest rate of hospitalizations in a single day, with 1,878 people.

Their seven-day positivity rate is now surging from 4.27 percent on May 26 to 7.55 percent on June 6.

Austin reported a steep increase in COVID-19 cases (https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/austin-sees-dramatic-rise-in-covid-19-cases-since-economy-started-reopening), setting a record for the most cases reported in one week.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/there-are-two-covid-19-trends-in-texas-that-are-going-in-the-wrong-direction/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/there-are-two-covid-19-trends-in-texas-that-are-going-in-the-wrong-direction/)

[ChumpDumper]

You stopping 5 days ago, why?I'm not stopping there. If you have the data from the last five days, post it.


When your testing drops and your positives increase then you are more than likely hot spot chasing. You dont understand numbers well enough to recognize. Go get randomguy and el nono they're dumb enough to take this graph as face value."more than likely"

What else could it be?

[tholdren]

I'm not stopping there. If you have the data from the last five days, post it.

"more than likely"

What else could it be?
I've already told you where to get the data. Lol at you making arguments without all the data. You sure are not good with the number analysis.

You've been at this for months and stl don't get numbers, hilarious. And you admit it. Lol

[ChumpDumper]

I've already told you where to get the data. Lol at you making arguments without all the data. You sure are not good with the number analysis.

You've been at this for months and stl don't get numbers, hilarious. And you admit it. Lolfoldren folds

I asked you specifically about Houston and made no argument.

You've been at this for months and still don't actually answer any questions. It's your tell.

[tholdren]

foldren folds

I asked you specifically about Houston and made no argument.

You've been at this for months and still don't actually answer any questions. It's your tell.
I've already explained this to you. But still, you do not understand. I told you it more than likely could be hot spot chasing, or as I have told you before it is only reporting sero positive tests as NEW cases and not reporting the negative sero tests. This is what is happening with he "explosion" in Arizona.

Data fraud because it allows lazy people like you to post graphs that don't include all the data (like you did above missing days lol) to get an emotional gossiping response.

You specifically asked me to help you learn this, but you don't take notes or do any work on your own. Your laziness = incompetence.

[ChumpDumper]

I've already explained this to you. But still, you do not understand. I told you it more than likely could be hot spot chasing, or as I have told you before it is only reporting sero positive tests as NEW cases and not reporting the negative sero tests. This is what is happening with he "explosion" in Arizona.

Data fraud because it allows lazy people like you to post graphs that don't include all the data (like you did above missing days lol) to get an emotional gossiping response.

You specifically asked me to help you learn this, but you don't take notes or do any work on your own. Your laziness = incompetence.Why are you saying the Texas Medical Center is committing data fraud in Houston?

Post a link to the numbers they are missing. Prove your claim.

[tholdren]

Why are you saying the Texas Medical Center is committing data fraud in Houston?

Post a link to the numbers they are missing. Prove your claim.
You stopped at 6/2 and posted on 6.7 there's that.

[tholdren]

Why are you saying the Texas Medical Center is committing data fraud in Houston?

Post a link to the numbers they are missing. Prove your claim.

Data fraud because they do not clarify the data and allow people like you, who have already stated that current data is not needed in science (yes you said that), to make completely illogical analysis.
You are using daily case numbers to project a path (illogical) without having accurate or reliable data (illogical) to do so. Kind of funny you're still on it. But sad too

[ChumpDumper]

You stopped at 6/2 and posted on 6.7 there's that.Post a link to the numbers they are missing. Prove your claim.

[ChumpDumper]

Data fraud because they do not clarify the data and allow people like you, who have already stated that current data is not needed in science (yes you said that), to make completely illogical analysis.
You are using daily case numbers to project a path (illogical) without having accurate or reliable data (illogical) to do so. Kind of funny you're still on it. But sad tooShow me your accurate data and current trend for the greater Houston area.

Be logical.

[tholdren]

Post a link to the numbers they are missing. Prove your claim.
You posted the graph above. They are missing 5 days. You disagree?

[ChumpDumper]

You posted the graph above. They are missing 5 days. You disagree?foldren folds

All you have to say is you don't have the numbers either. All I asked was if I have to wait more days. Your answer is yes unless you have the actual missing numbers, which you do not and never will.

[boutons_deux]

red/slave states misled by their Repug assholes, for profit, spreading reliably

https://rt.live/?fbclid=IwAR2SuH8QiblnU-l6jTKG8ldLTV8LUe2IswF1Nczt67JQ02i2x4lLQiLpzRs

[tholdren]

red/slave states misled by their Repug assholes, for profit, spreading reliably

https://rt.live/?fbclid=IwAR2SuH8QiblnU-l6jTKG8ldLTV8LUe2IswF1Nczt67JQ02i2x4lLQiLpzRs

Again with the r, but you don't know what this means.

[tholdren]

foldren folds

All you have to say is you don't have the numbers either. All I asked was if I have to wait more days. Your answer is yes unless you have the actual missing numbers, which you do not and never will.
Already explained to you the numbers are found here.

https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/ed483ecd702b4298ab01e8b9cafc8b83

[ChumpDumper]

Already explained to you the numbers are found here.

https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/ed483ecd702b4298ab01e8b9cafc8b83:lol their test data stops one day after the graph I listed.

So you're saying they're frauds as well.

[tholdren]

Well you're an idiot because you have to download the csv. How dumb are you?

[tholdren]

:lol their test data stops one day after the graph I listed.

So you're saying they're frauds as well.

lolololol drooling on self because he can't download the data. Even funnier thinks he wins sad to be this ignorant.

[ChumpDumper]

Tests through June 3.

All you had to do was say you didn't have the data either.

[tholdren]

So in short, yes. The data is available. You dont use it. Its not reliable. Exactly the ignorance you have been gossiping about for weeks. And you still don't know where or how to access the most recent data. Lol how dumb.

[tholdren]

Tests through June 3.

All you had to do was say you didn't have the data either.
Tests through the 7th dunce.

[ChumpDumper]

Tests through the 7th dunce.Not listed for Harris County. Do you even remember what you've been raging about?

I mean if you have it, fill in the missing data. You never provide links to the actual numbers. You just point to a site and say it's in there somewhere. I'll certainly allow for its being updated today.

[tholdren]

Not listed for Harris County.

I mean if you have it, fill in the missing data. You never provide links to the actual numbers.

Lolololol you just found the file. And you dont know what it means because you dont know how to do the math.... lol.

[tholdren]

Like I said. You actually need to be able to do math. And understand what the data released, and when, means.

Strategically testing and releasing data is fraud.

Unless you still want to argue about why timely data is important. Lol your brain.

[ChumpDumper]

Lolololol you just found the file. And you dont know what it means because you dont know how to do the math.... lol.


Like I said. You actually need to be able to do math. And understand what the data released, and when, means.

Strategically testing and releasing data is fraud.

Unless you still want to argue about why timely data is important. Lol your brain.So you just gave me a fraudulent link too.

lol your fraud

[ChumpDumper]

Seriously, if you have any data to back up any of your claims, actually post it.

[tholdren]

So you just gave me a fraudulent link too.

lol your fraud

Nope. Just like I said. I gave you where YOU can find the numbers. But YOU dont knowmwhat numbers to look for what they mean or how to use simple math to find out what you are trying to argue is not accurate.

Sorry you have small brain. You no good at math

[tholdren]

Seriously, if you have any data to back up any of your claims, actually post it.

already have. You just don't understand simple math. And now it's evident because you have access and still post incredibly wrong assumptions. Well its actually gossip cause you are just Twitter sciencing

[tholdren]

ChumpDumper gives data from a week ago and says this is proof of what is happening now. Lol who needs timely data when you have a brain like that

[ChumpDumper]

ChumpDumper gives data from a week ago and says this is proof of what is happening now. Lol who needs timely data when you have a brain like thatWhen did I say that's what's happening now?

I simply asked you what the trend is in Harris County or should I wait is and you fully meltdown.

It's OK that you don't know what you're talking about and can't answer any of my questions. You just don't know much. And that's OK.

[ChumpDumper]

Here is the increase in positive cases up to yesterday.

https://www.tmc.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/4-covid-19-positive-case-growth-trend-6-8-2020.png

If your claim that the increase is only due to increased testing in Harris County, show me those testing numbers.

[boutons_deux]

Austin this weekend

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/103728225_10222389122577802_4152887544296595086_o. jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=WrQjpj2du08AX_TKuhk&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&_nc_tp=7&oh=ead1af55dfcb783da997981f244377cb&oe=5F023ADB

[tholdren]

Here is the increase in positive cases up to yesterday.

https://www.tmc.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/4-covid-19-positive-case-growth-trend-6-8-2020.png

If your claim that the increase is only due to increased testing in Harris County, show me those testing numbers.

This graph is not just showing harris county.

[ChumpDumper]

This graph is not just showing harris county.OK, Greater Houston.

Or do you just want to focus on Harris?

I'll try to find a similar picture for that so I can post it, but do you think there is an upward trend in Harris County since you know the data for that?

[Blake]

Austin this weekend

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/103728225_10222389122577802_4152887544296595086_o. jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=WrQjpj2du08AX_TKuhk&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&_nc_tp=7&oh=ead1af55dfcb783da997981f244377cb&oe=5F023ADB

Goddam

[Blake]

"Texas reported a record number of coronavirus hospitalizations Monday — weeks after Gov. Greg Abbott took the lead among governors in easing social distancing measures to help bring jobs back.

There are currently 1,935 Covid-19 patients in hospitals across the state, topping the previous hospitalization record of 1,888 patients on May 5, according to new data from the Texas Department of State Health Services....."

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/texas-reports-a-record-high-number-of-hospitalized-coronavirus-patients-after-state-reopened-early.html

[Blake]

"Some infectious disease experts say hospitalization numbers could be a better way to track a state’s reopening performance since it’s more difficult to skew than testing data, which fluctuates depending on how many tests are being run.

“Looking at things like how many ICU admissions and deaths are probably some of the strongest and most reliable (data points) because they are the worst outcomes that could happen,” said Dr. David Hardy, an adjunct professor of medicine at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine who specializes in infectious diseases...."



Makes sense to me