Texas response to Corona virus

[CosmicCowboy]

a good read:

https://therivardreport.com/covid-19-care-evolving-at-san-antonio-hospital-as-numbers-increase/

[clambake]

November of something. Spread throughout the world. Get a new schtick.

He buried it for months, you stupid fuck.

[pgardn]

a good read:

https://therivardreport.com/covid-19-care-evolving-at-san-antonio-hospital-as-numbers-increase/

yes indeed

Innovation under tough circumstances.
Heroes in the Hospitals.
These people and their families exist on the front line of an invisible war.

[spurraider21]

Some anecdotes. I have a 20 y.o. daughter. She has a 20 something friend and a 20 something boyfriend. She has friend sleep over. They drive around together. They don't social distance or wear masks. During this pandemic, my daughter also gets a job in the restaurant industry. Obviously, I'm not thrilled about any of this. Hopefully, my daughter doesn't inadvertently kill me or my wife. I'd hate for her to live with that.
its a shame she hasnt been indoctrinated in college yet

[clambake]

its a shame she hasnt been indoctrinated in college yet

Lol

[RandomGuy]

a good read:

https://therivardreport.com/covid-19-care-evolving-at-san-antonio-hospital-as-numbers-increase/

It is a good article.

I feel sorry for the staff though.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/covid-forecasts/?cid=rrpromo

The models that attempt to capture the effects of easing restrictions show Texas ramping up a lot.

Columbia model has a huge increase after 7-1


FWIW.

Guess we will get to see stupid Republican policies at the state level too. It's almost like Republicans... suck at policies based on evidence for some reason.

[RandomGuy]

November of something. Spread throughout the world. Get a new schtick.

Well, this November we get to get the cure for the Moronavirus.

[tholdren]

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/covid-forecasts/?cid=rrpromo

The models that attempt to capture the effects of easing restrictions show Texas ramping up a lot.

Columbia model has a huge increase after 7-1


FWIW.

Guess we will get to see stupid Republican policies at teh state level too.
Lol

[Blake]

"AUSTIN, Texas -- Republican Gov. Greg Abbott said Tuesday that Texas has surpassed 5,000 new coronavirus cases in a single day for the first time, another troubling milestone as the largest pediatric hospital in the U.S. begins taking adult patients to free up bed space in Houston.

The announcement comes days after Texas eclipsed 4,000 new cases for the first time just last weekend."

https://abc13.com/governor-abbott-to-provide-update-on-covid-19-texas-news-coronavrius-coronavirus/6262191/

[leemajors]

It is a good article.

I feel sorry for the staff though.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/covid-forecasts/?cid=rrpromo

The models that attempt to capture the effects of easing restrictions show Texas ramping up a lot.

Columbia model has a huge increase after 7-1


FWIW.

Guess we will get to see stupid Republican policies at the state level too. It's almost like Republicans... suck at policies based on evidence for some reason.

There is plenty of blame to go around, the government failed as a whole.

[CosmicCowboy]

Surge is still being driven by young people not social distancing.

https://www.click2houston.com/news/investigates/2020/06/20/trust-index-are-young-people-really-driving-the-surge-in-coronavirus-cases-in-houston-and-texas/

[CosmicCowboy]

*

[boutons_deux]

As Texas schools open in several weeks a draft report shows that there is no state-level mandatory actions for the schools

[RandomGuy]

There is plenty of blame to go around, the government failed as a whole.

For the most part. Pushing to re-open aggressively... that is not "both parties" and all levels of government.

[RandomGuy]

"AUSTIN, Texas -- Republican Gov. Greg Abbott said Tuesday that Texas has surpassed 5,000 new coronavirus cases in a single day for the first time, another troubling milestone as the largest pediatric hospital in the U.S. begins taking adult patients to free up bed space in Houston.

The announcement comes days after Texas eclipsed 4,000 new cases for the first time just last weekend."

https://abc13.com/governor-abbott-to-provide-update-on-covid-19-texas-news-coronavrius-coronavirus/6262191/

Tholdren is going to have more and more tap dancing to do. :madrun

[RandomGuy]

5,489 New COVID-19 Cases: Texas Reports All-Time Daily High



"Probably the greater factor that's pushing our numbers up is that the positivity rate is now gone from around 3% to around 9% — that's a threefold increase," said Dr. David Persse, public health authority for the Houston Health Department, according to Houston Public Media.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/06/23/882504575/5-489-new-covid-19-cases-texas-reports-new-all-time-daily-high

"But muh virus twoof!"

For Republicans this shit is like climate change science. Time goes by and the evidence mounts... and still you have dipshits with their fingers in their ears.

[TimDunkem]

Dr. Peter Hotez tweeted this the other day. He along with Osterholm is one of the voices I trust. He's also a Texas resident, so he's quite invested in the situation.

1274312975340486656

[tholdren]

5,489 New COVID-19 Cases: Texas Reports All-Time Daily High



https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/06/23/882504575/5-489-new-covid-19-cases-texas-reports-new-all-time-daily-high

"But muh virus twoof!"

For Republicans this shit is like climate change science. Time goes by and the evidence mounts... and still you have dipshits with their fingers in their ears.

2 weeks!!!!!

[pgardn]

Surge is still being driven by young people not social distancing.

https://www.click2houston.com/news/investigates/2020/06/20/trust-index-are-young-people-really-driving-the-surge-in-coronavirus-cases-in-houston-and-texas/

Or wearing masks.
Fits my anecdotal observations.
Every age group does not seem to care, especially bad in small South Texas cities based on my fishing adventures requiring stops into convenience stores.
San Antonio is so different in my experience.

[CosmicCowboy]

5,489 New COVID-19 Cases: Texas Reports All-Time Daily High



https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/06/23/882504575/5-489-new-covid-19-cases-texas-reports-new-all-time-daily-high

"But muh virus twoof!"

For Republicans this shit is like climate change science. Time goes by and the evidence mounts... and still you have dipshits with their fingers in their ears.

This surge isn't driven by Republicans, its driven by dumb ass 20-50s ignoring reasonable cautions.

[tholdren]

This surge isn't driven by Republicans, its driven by dumb ass 20-50s ignoring reasonable cautions.
But only those going to the bar or the beach. Not the protests.

[boutons_deux]

Coronavirus Updates: 311 new cases as surge continues






City officials prohibit large gatherings as virus surge continues
(https://link.mysanantonio.com/click/20708981.17778/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubXlzYW5hbnRvbmlvLmNvbS9uZXdzL2xvY2 FsL2FydGljbGUvQmV4YXItQ291bnR5LXJlcG9ydHMtNTM4LW5l dy1DT1ZJRC1jYXNlcy1vbmUtbmV3LTE1MzU2Njk2LnBocD91dG 1fY2FtcGFpZ249bXlzYV9icmVha2luZ25ld3NfMjAyMDA2MjMm dXRtX3NvdXJjZT1uZXdzbGV0dGVyJnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haW w/5936c5882ddf9c486ef4062fC3e7272d8)










The city is putting more safety measures into effect as numbers continue to skyrocket in the county.

The death toll in Bexar County now stands at 100.
(https://link.mysanantonio.com/click/20708981.17778/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubXlzYW5hbnRvbmlvLmNvbS9uZXdzL2xvY2 FsL2FydGljbGUvQmV4YXItQ291bnR5LXJlcG9ydHMtNTM4LW5l dy1DT1ZJRC1jYXNlcy1vbmUtbmV3LTE1MzU2Njk2LnBocD91dG 1fY2FtcGFpZ249bXlzYV9icmVha2luZ25ld3NfMjAyMDA2MjMm dXRtX3NvdXJjZT1uZXdzbGV0dGVyJnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haW w/5936c5882ddf9c486ef4062fE3e7272d8)






Texas has hit an all-time high in new coronavirus cases:

Texas has surpassed 5,000 new coronavirus cases in a single day for the first time,

Gov. Greg Abbott (https://www.expressnews.com/politics/texas/article/gov-abbott-warns-5000-coronavirus-cases-new-record-15360565.php) said Tuesday,

urging people to take caution and stay indoors whenever possible.

The seven-day average is now nearing 4,000, up from about 1,500 two weeks ago.

https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Bexar-County-reports-538-new-COVID-cases-one-new-15356696.php?utm_campaign=mysa_breakingnews_202006 23&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email

How bad will it get before Abbott orders or allows lockdown?

Many restaurants in SA opened then closed due infected staff.

30 HEB people are infected

[Blake]

"We want to make sure everyone reinforces the best safe practices of wearing a mask, hand sanitation, maintaining safe distance, but importantly, because the spread is so rapid right now, there’s never a reason for you to have to leave your home unless you need to go out,” Abbott said. “The safest place for you is at your home.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2020/06/23/texas-governor-says-texans-should-stay-home-state-hits-all-time-high-covid-19-cases/3247472001/




"For the first time in almost three months, Jill and Asher Lewis were able to take their two children on an outing away from home, spending Father’s Day at the newly reopened Six Flags Fiesta Texas.

“We normally come to the water park every Sunday after church,” Jill Lewis said, relaxing on a bench while her husband took Hudson, 13, and Paisley, 9, on the nearby Joker Carnival of Chaos ride. “It’s nice for them to be outside doing something normal.”

https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Six-Flags-Fiesta-Texas-reopens-with-plenty-of-new-15355804.php

[boutons_deux]

Texas doctor buries Trump-loving governor for ‘greatest public health failure in the history of the nation’

Dr. Peter Hotez, the dean of the School of Tropical Medicine at the Baylor College of Medicine,

the current situation in Texas represents

the “greatest public health failure in the history of the nation,” and

he warned that it will spiral out of control very quickly.

“We’re seeing a very steep acceleration in the number of cases here

in Houston,

in our metro areas,

as you pointed out, and also in San Antonio and Austin,” he said.

“And it’s not just an increase in the number of cases, it’s the slope, the way it’s accelerating.

It’s almost vertical.

This is what we call an exponential rise,

meaning it’s been flat for a while and now it’s going up almost vertically.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/texas-doctor-buries-trump-loving-governor-for-greatest-public-health-failure-in-the-history-of-the-nation/

Austin and San Antonio aren't "metro areas"? :)

[Blake]

"Houston’s Texas medical center, often referred to as the largest medical center in the world, showed its ICU beds were at 97% of normal capacity. The hospital has maximum capacity for nearly 1,000 more ICU beds if it activates its plans for public health emergencies.

The surge in cases in Texas and increase in hospitalizations has been accompanied by a higher rate of positive tests. These are indicators cases are not increasing just because more people are being tested.

The head of the Houston Methodist hospital system, Dr Marc Boom, wrote in an email to employees on Friday: “We appear to be nearing the tipping point.”

In the email, seen by the Texas Tribune, Boom continued: “Should the number of new cases grow too rapidly, it will eventually challenge our ability to treat both Covid-19 and non-Covid-19 patients.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/24/texas-coronavirus-cases-infections-houston-hospitals

[tholdren]

"Houston’s Texas medical center, often referred to as the largest medical center in the world, showed its ICU beds were at 97% of normal capacity. The hospital has maximum capacity for nearly 1,000 more ICU beds if it activates its plans for public health emergencies.

The surge in cases in Texas and increase in hospitalizations has been accompanied by a higher rate of positive tests. These are indicators cases are not increasing just because more people are being tested.

The head of the Houston Methodist hospital system, Dr Marc Boom, wrote in an email to employees on Friday: “We appear to be nearing the tipping point.”

In the email, seen by the Texas Tribune, Boom continued: “Should the number of new cases grow too rapidly, it will eventually challenge our ability to treat both Covid-19 and non-Covid-19 patients.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/24/texas-coronavirus-cases-infections-houston-hospitals

Per tmc.edu 70 percent of icu ARE NON COVID PATIENTS.


Stop the gossip

[DMC]

Or wearing masks.
Fits my anecdotal observations.
Every age group does not seem to care, especially bad in small South Texas cities based on my fishing adventures requiring stops into convenience stores.
San Antonio is so different in my experience.

Because you simply MUST go fishing.

:lol

[Blake]

Per tmc.edu 70 percent of icu ARE NON COVID PATIENTS.


Stop the gossip

NOBODY SAID THEY WEREN'T. STOP YOUR LIES

[Blake]

"CARROLLTON, Texas — As North Texas watches COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations surge, one family is shouldering a health crisis that they never expected to face.

That crisis, all began on May 30 when just a single relative, unknowingly infected with COVID-19, interacted with seven family members at a surprise birthday party. ...

Those seven family members then contracted and spread the virus to 10 other relatives.

Now, Ron Barbosa is keeping track of 18 people in his family who have tested positive for COVID-19.

Barbosa didn't attend the party himself, but the celebration was for his daughter-in-law who turned 30.

However, Barbosa's nephew hosted.

Even though everyone did their best to stay socially distant, Barbosa said it wasn't enough.

"It wasn't that long. It was only a couple of hours," Barbosa, a volunteer EMT said. "But during that brief time, somehow the other 18 family members are now infected with COVID."

Barbosa, who is also married to a doctor, said he and his wife refused to go to the party due to safety reasons.

However, it was a party that by current state health standards appeared harmless. A total of 25 people attended, and not all of them arrived and stayed for the same duration.

"When people started getting sick, we really let everyone have it," Barbosa said. "We knew this was going to happen, I mean this whole time this has been going on we've been terrified."

Among those infected are two young children, two grandparents, a cancer patient and Barbosa's parents, who are in their 80s.

Three are now hospitalized: Barbosa's parents Frank and Carole, along with his sister Kathy, who is battling breast cancer......


Before the party, he played golf with a few family members who also attended the event, according to Barbosa.

Even though everyone did their best to stay socially distant, Barbosa said it wasn't enough.

"It wasn't that long. It was only a couple of hours," Barbosa, a volunteer EMT said. "But during that brief time, somehow the other 18 family members are now infected with COVID."

Barbosa, who is also married to a doctor, said he and his wife refused to go to the party due to safety reasons.

However, it was a party that by current state health standards appeared harmless. A total of 25 people attended, and not all of them arrived and stayed for the same duration.

"When people started getting sick, we really let everyone have it," Barbosa said. "We knew this was going to happen, I mean this whole time this has been going on we've been terrified."

Among those infected are two young children, two grandparents, a cancer patient and Barbosa's parents, who are in their 80s.

Three are now hospitalized: Barbosa's parents Frank and Carole, along with his sister Kathy, who is battling breast cancer.

He says she went to the party and got infected, even though she was socially distanced outside on a porch.

But Barbosa's parents are in a much tougher situation.

Ron

Barbosa said it's likely Carole infected Frank after she stopped by the party to drop something off.

Carole has been hospitalized since June 13, and Frank has been in a hospital since June 17.

Frank is in the ICU and is on life support. Barbosa told WFAA that he is inches away from being put on a ventilator.

"My dad's hanging on by a thread," Barbosa said. "They're saying this is one of the last straws for my dad."

Visitation is mostly restricted, meaning calls to Barbosa's parents are vital.

"That's really the best medicine. You know they're in there by themselves with no family," Barbosa said holding back tears. "It's heartbreaking."

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/north-texas-family-shaken-after-18-relatives-test-positive-for-covid-19-following-surprise-birthday-party/287-ea8960ea-4c3c-40c1-b75e-f4437fe6f836

https://media.wfaa.com/assets/WFAA/images/70bdd730-45ae-4db2-b15c-666199c6d5c1/70bdd730-45ae-4db2-b15c-666199c6d5c1_1140x641.jpg

[tholdren]

NOBODY SAID THEY WEREN'T. STOP YOUR LIES
The only lying is you. Reporting generalization after generalization. No context. Just sad

[Blake]

The only lying is you. Reporting generalization after generalization. No context. Just sad

Lol "no context".

I posted a direct quote from the head of the Houston Methodist hospital system. A doctor.

You're nothing.

[Blake]

"The Texas Medical Center’s intensive care capacity could be exceeded as soon as Thursday because of the surge in COVID-19 patients, the hospital system projects.

A TMC model also predicts ICU surge capacity — extra, temporary beds and equipment used in emergencies — could be exceeded as soon as July 6 if the steep rate of new COVID hospitalizations continues, the most aggressive modeling to date."

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Houston-ICU-capacity-could-be-exceeded-Thursday-15363724.php

[Spurtacular]

"The Texas Medical Center’s intensive care capacity could be exceeded as soon as Thursday because of the surge in COVID-19 patients, the hospital system projects.

A TMC model also predicts ICU surge capacity — extra, temporary beds and equipment used in emergencies — could be exceeded as soon as July 6 if the steep rate of new COVID hospitalizations continues, the most aggressive modeling to date."

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Houston-ICU-capacity-could-be-exceeded-Thursday-15363724.php

Nurses might have to stop doing choreographed dancing, amirite?

[ChumpDumper]

"CARROLLTON, Texas — As North Texas watches COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations surge, one family is shouldering a health crisis that they never expected to face.

That crisis, all began on May 30 when just a single relative, unknowingly infected with COVID-19, interacted with seven family members at a surprise birthday party. ...

Those seven family members then contracted and spread the virus to 10 other relatives.

Now, Ron Barbosa is keeping track of 18 people in his family who have tested positive for COVID-19.

Barbosa didn't attend the party himself, but the celebration was for his daughter-in-law who turned 30.

However, Barbosa's nephew hosted.

Even though everyone did their best to stay socially distant, Barbosa said it wasn't enough.

"It wasn't that long. It was only a couple of hours," Barbosa, a volunteer EMT said. "But during that brief time, somehow the other 18 family members are now infected with COVID."

Barbosa, who is also married to a doctor, said he and his wife refused to go to the party due to safety reasons.

However, it was a party that by current state health standards appeared harmless. A total of 25 people attended, and not all of them arrived and stayed for the same duration.

"When people started getting sick, we really let everyone have it," Barbosa said. "We knew this was going to happen, I mean this whole time this has been going on we've been terrified."

Among those infected are two young children, two grandparents, a cancer patient and Barbosa's parents, who are in their 80s.

Three are now hospitalized: Barbosa's parents Frank and Carole, along with his sister Kathy, who is battling breast cancer......


Before the party, he played golf with a few family members who also attended the event, according to Barbosa.

Even though everyone did their best to stay socially distant, Barbosa said it wasn't enough.

"It wasn't that long. It was only a couple of hours," Barbosa, a volunteer EMT said. "But during that brief time, somehow the other 18 family members are now infected with COVID."

Barbosa, who is also married to a doctor, said he and his wife refused to go to the party due to safety reasons.

However, it was a party that by current state health standards appeared harmless. A total of 25 people attended, and not all of them arrived and stayed for the same duration.

"When people started getting sick, we really let everyone have it," Barbosa said. "We knew this was going to happen, I mean this whole time this has been going on we've been terrified."

Among those infected are two young children, two grandparents, a cancer patient and Barbosa's parents, who are in their 80s.

Three are now hospitalized: Barbosa's parents Frank and Carole, along with his sister Kathy, who is battling breast cancer.

He says she went to the party and got infected, even though she was socially distanced outside on a porch.

But Barbosa's parents are in a much tougher situation.

Ron

Barbosa said it's likely Carole infected Frank after she stopped by the party to drop something off.

Carole has been hospitalized since June 13, and Frank has been in a hospital since June 17.

Frank is in the ICU and is on life support. Barbosa told WFAA that he is inches away from being put on a ventilator.

"My dad's hanging on by a thread," Barbosa said. "They're saying this is one of the last straws for my dad."

Visitation is mostly restricted, meaning calls to Barbosa's parents are vital.

"That's really the best medicine. You know they're in there by themselves with no family," Barbosa said holding back tears. "It's heartbreaking."

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/north-texas-family-shaken-after-18-relatives-test-positive-for-covid-19-following-surprise-birthday-party/287-ea8960ea-4c3c-40c1-b75e-f4437fe6f836

https://media.wfaa.com/assets/WFAA/images/70bdd730-45ae-4db2-b15c-666199c6d5c1/70bdd730-45ae-4db2-b15c-666199c6d5c1_1140x641.jpgtholdren says every family gathering is perfectly safe and never leads to any infections for any disease because magic.

[RandomGuy]

This surge isn't driven by Republicans, its driven by dumb ass 20-50s ignoring reasonable cautions.

So it isn't business reopening, it is "young people not taking precautions".

What kinds of employment are most at risk?
What kinds of employment do most young people work at?

If you can't answer those questions honestly, you cede the point, and once again, your confirmation bias keeps you from seeing reality the way it actually is.

[RandomGuy]

The only lying is you. Reporting generalization after generalization. No context. Just sad

Stupid motherfucker.

Your "just the flu" is going to swamp the hospital system in the state here. What will your stupid explanation then be?

Whatever echo chamber bullshit you surround yourself with will have to work overtime to explain away full ICUs.

Maybe you will try claiming NICU units are "Hospital beds" that can be used for COVID patients again? :rollin

[Play Boban]

Liberate texas

[TimDunkem]

So it isn't business reopening, it is "young people not taking precautions".

What kinds of employment are most at risk?
What kinds of employment do most young people work at?

If you can't answer those questions honestly, you cede the point, and once again, your confirmation bias keeps you from seeing reality the way it actually is.

Lol I've seen as many prime ventilator candidates ignoring guidelines, flooding restaurants/bars, etc as young people. I'd say it's roughly the same.

But - no - it wasn't ANY muh freedom protesters it was ONLY BLM protesters. No, it wasn't skipping steps in reopening, it was young people ONLY not following guidelines.

No boomer or science denying conservative has ever been responsible for even one infection.

[RandomGuy]

Lol I've seen as many prime ventilator candidates ignoring guidelines, flooding restaurants/bars, etc as young people. I'd say it's roughly the same.

But - no - it wasn't ANY muh freedom protesters it was ONLY BLM protesters. No, it wasn't skipping steps in reopening, it was young people ONLY not following guidelines.

No boomer or science denying conservative has ever been responsible for even one infection.

When I have been out and about, the odds of someone wearing a mask went down the older the person was. White older males... almost never were wearing masks. Maybe that is my confirmation bias, dunno.

It has become some fucktarded part of conservative identity politics. Tone at the top matters.

[pgardn]

Because you simply MUST go fishing.

:lol

Yep kayaking and exercise ravenously.
Too much computer time.
I actually know people outside this board, odd for you I guess.
Its pretty obvious “I “ deal with shut ins on this board, it’s interesting.

[pgardn]

Liberate texas

Pleading with a virus.
Maybe you have a special antiviral dance?

[TimDunkem]

When I have been out and about, the odds of someone wearing a mask went down the older the person was. White older males... almost never were wearing masks. Maybe that is my confirmation bias, dunno.

It has become some fucktarded part of conservative identity politics. Tone at the top matters.

I don't think it is confirmation bias. In my experience it has been about evenly divided between the adolescents and seniors, but seniors are the ones taking their giant families to the restaurants, and packing the dive bars or filling up all the seats at the bar in the aforementioned restaurants as "regulars" while younger people tend to pack the clubs/college bars.

The one common theme though? Usually white.

Wonder why? More likely to vote for Trump and deny science? More likely to have healthcare? More likely to not live in circumstances that make them susceptible to infection?

[DarrinS]

"CARROLLTON, Texas — As North Texas watches COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations surge, one family is shouldering a health crisis that they never expected to face.

That crisis, all began on May 30 when just a single relative, unknowingly infected with COVID-19, interacted with seven family members at a surprise birthday party. ...

Those seven family members then contracted and spread the virus to 10 other relatives.

Now, Ron Barbosa is keeping track of 18 people in his family who have tested positive for COVID-19.

Barbosa didn't attend the party himself, but the celebration was for his daughter-in-law who turned 30.

However, Barbosa's nephew hosted.

Even though everyone did their best to stay socially distant, Barbosa said it wasn't enough.

"It wasn't that long. It was only a couple of hours," Barbosa, a volunteer EMT said. "But during that brief time, somehow the other 18 family members are now infected with COVID."

Barbosa, who is also married to a doctor, said he and his wife refused to go to the party due to safety reasons.

However, it was a party that by current state health standards appeared harmless. A total of 25 people attended, and not all of them arrived and stayed for the same duration.

"When people started getting sick, we really let everyone have it," Barbosa said. "We knew this was going to happen, I mean this whole time this has been going on we've been terrified."

Among those infected are two young children, two grandparents, a cancer patient and Barbosa's parents, who are in their 80s.

Three are now hospitalized: Barbosa's parents Frank and Carole, along with his sister Kathy, who is battling breast cancer......


Before the party, he played golf with a few family members who also attended the event, according to Barbosa.

Even though everyone did their best to stay socially distant, Barbosa said it wasn't enough.

"It wasn't that long. It was only a couple of hours," Barbosa, a volunteer EMT said. "But during that brief time, somehow the other 18 family members are now infected with COVID."

Barbosa, who is also married to a doctor, said he and his wife refused to go to the party due to safety reasons.

However, it was a party that by current state health standards appeared harmless. A total of 25 people attended, and not all of them arrived and stayed for the same duration.

"When people started getting sick, we really let everyone have it," Barbosa said. "We knew this was going to happen, I mean this whole time this has been going on we've been terrified."

Among those infected are two young children, two grandparents, a cancer patient and Barbosa's parents, who are in their 80s.

Three are now hospitalized: Barbosa's parents Frank and Carole, along with his sister Kathy, who is battling breast cancer.

He says she went to the party and got infected, even though she was socially distanced outside on a porch.

But Barbosa's parents are in a much tougher situation.

Ron

Barbosa said it's likely Carole infected Frank after she stopped by the party to drop something off.

Carole has been hospitalized since June 13, and Frank has been in a hospital since June 17.

Frank is in the ICU and is on life support. Barbosa told WFAA that he is inches away from being put on a ventilator.

"My dad's hanging on by a thread," Barbosa said. "They're saying this is one of the last straws for my dad."

Visitation is mostly restricted, meaning calls to Barbosa's parents are vital.

"That's really the best medicine. You know they're in there by themselves with no family," Barbosa said holding back tears. "It's heartbreaking."

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/north-texas-family-shaken-after-18-relatives-test-positive-for-covid-19-following-surprise-birthday-party/287-ea8960ea-4c3c-40c1-b75e-f4437fe6f836

https://media.wfaa.com/assets/WFAA/images/70bdd730-45ae-4db2-b15c-666199c6d5c1/70bdd730-45ae-4db2-b15c-666199c6d5c1_1140x641.jpg


^This is how it spreads. Not by brief encounters with randos at stores.

People are going to hang out with friends and family, especially younger people.

[baseline bum]

^This is how it spreads. Not by brief encounters with randos at stores.

People are going to hang out with friends and family, especially younger people.

How you gonna be lecturing people when you're hanging out at bars and shit?

[CosmicCowboy]

I don't think it is confirmation bias. In my experience it has been about evenly divided between the adolescents and seniors, but seniors are the ones taking their giant families to the restaurants, and packing the dive bars or filling up all the seats at the bar in the aforementioned restaurants as "regulars" while younger people tend to pack the clubs/college bars.

The one common theme though? Usually white.

Wonder why? More likely to vote for Trump and deny science? More likely to have healthcare? More likely to not live in circumstances that make them susceptible to infection?

So how are all these maskless white people dis-proportionally infecting blacks and hispanics?

[baseline bum]

I don't think it is confirmation bias. In my experience it has been about evenly divided between the adolescents and seniors, but seniors are the ones taking their giant families to the restaurants, and packing the dive bars or filling up all the seats at the bar in the aforementioned restaurants as "regulars" while younger people tend to pack the clubs/college bars.

The one common theme though? Usually white.

Wonder why? More likely to vote for Trump and deny science? More likely to have healthcare? More likely to not live in circumstances that make them susceptible to infection?

The two biggest groups I see not wearing them even in grocery stores are 55+ white seniors and 20s-mid30s mojados.

[DarrinS]

I don't think it is confirmation bias. In my experience it has been about evenly divided between the adolescents and seniors, but seniors are the ones taking their giant families to the restaurants, and packing the dive bars or filling up all the seats at the bar in the aforementioned restaurants as "regulars" while younger people tend to pack the clubs/college bars.

The one common theme though? Usually white.

Wonder why? More likely to vote for Trump and deny science? More likely to have healthcare? More likely to not live in circumstances that make them susceptible to infection?


That's odd, considering the vast majority of cases and deaths in San Antonio are Hispanic.

[TimDunkem]

The two biggest groups I see not wearing them even in grocery stores are 55+ white seniors and 20s-mid30s mojados.

Funny thing is 3 days ago I saw two people in my local gas station without masks (which was packed) and one was a young mojado who for some reason had a C:lolnfederate flag on his bumper and an ancient white guy with his khakis pulled up practically to his nipples. :lol Texas.

[TimDunkem]

That's odd, considering the vast majority of cases and deaths in San Antonio are Hispanic.

I do live on a good side of town. You're more likely to die if you're poor too.

[DarrinS]

How you gonna be lecturing people when you're hanging out at bars and shit?

I don't go to any packed bars.

[TimDunkem]

I don't go to any packed bars.

Which bars are those?

[DarrinS]

This week, I haven't seen anyone without a mask.

[TimDunkem]

This week, I haven't seen anyone without a mask.

That's good, Darrin. It's almost like having to wear a mask in public or when dealing with a stranger isn't a big deal.

[DarrinS]

Which bars are those?

The neighborhood bar I go to is pretty dead. If it were packed, I'd turn around and go home.

[DarrinS]

That's good, Darrin. It's almost like having to wear a mask in public or dealing with a stranger isn't a big deal.

Well, considering that stores now mandate it, it's not worth causing some scene.

[pgardn]

So how are all these maskless white people dis-proportionally infecting blacks and hispanics?

They are not.

Large urban areas that are poor are perfect places to spread and kill.
Crowded family and work environments.
The environment and treatment you get are clearly important.

Or if you want, a nice small town with a meat packing plant or something like this.

[pgardn]

Well, considering that stores now mandate it, it's not worth causing some scene.

Its a loss of manhood.
A shameful experience that the elite have cooked up to keep us down.

-TGY, Spurter, Chris

[TimDunkem]

Abbott suspends elective surgeries in Bexar, Dallas, Harris, and Travis County.

[pgardn]

Abbott suspends elective surgeries in Bexar, Dallas, Harris, and Travis County.

Damn.

This is not good.
The primary care doctors might have to go back into a hole as well.
People need to see their doctors for other stuff.

[baseline bum]

The neighborhood bar I go to is pretty dead. If it were packed, I'd turn around and go home.

Even then, it has been shown to spread to people 14 feet away indoors. If I had to go to a bar I'd make it a place with an outdoor patio honestly.

[TimDunkem]

Damn.

This is not good.
The primary care doctors might have to go back into a hole as well.
People need to see their doctors for other stuff.

Why would millennials do this?!?! - Abbott and CosmicCowboy

[DarrinS]

Even then, it has been shown to spread to people 14 feet away indoors. If I had to go to a bar I'd make it a place with an outdoor patio honestly.

The place I go to has an outdoor area.

[baseline bum]

Abbott suspends elective surgeries in Bexar, Dallas, Harris, and Travis County.

But can't rollback the Balous Miller dining room plan? Or at least the bars.

[RandomGuy]

So it isn't business reopening, it is "young people not taking precautions".

What kinds of employment are most at risk?
What kinds of employment do most young people work at?

If you can't answer those questions honestly, you cede the point, and once again, your confirmation bias keeps you from seeing reality the way it actually is.




So how are all these maskless white people dis-proportionally infecting blacks and hispanics?

https://funwithrickandjane.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/facepalm1.jpg

[TimDunkem]

But can't rollback the Balous Miller dining room plan? Or at least the bars.
It really makes no sense...But we know the reason behind the maddness: Kowtowing to Trump and Balous Miller is what's going to keep him and his wheelchair in the Governor's mansion.

[TimDunkem]

1276117777074487296

[RandomGuy]

1276117777074487296

1.14*1.14*1.14...

This is not difficult math.

[tholdren]

1.14*1.14*1.14...

This is not difficult math.

Lol using math with 0 context just divide by 2. Lolololol

[Blake]

So how are all these maskless white people dis-proportionally infecting blacks and hispanics?

They breathe on the Mexican restaurant waitresses

[TimDunkem]

They breathe on the Mexican restaurant waitresses

And don't put on their masks in the drive-thru when they're getting their food, asking for mayonnaise, and yelling "WHAAAT" because they can't understand the black or hispanic cashier.

[tholdren]

Based on cdc guidelines of you have a runny nose you can be diagnosed with covid. No test needed.

[TimDunkem]

lololol th:lolldren, ignore list, etc.

[Blake]

Abbott suspends elective surgeries in Bexar, Dallas, Harris, and Travis County.

Yeah but at least gyms and amusement parks are still open :tu

[ChumpDumper]

"CARROLLTON, Texas — As North Texas watches COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations surge, one family is shouldering a health crisis that they never expected to face.

That crisis, all began on May 30 when just a single relative, unknowingly infected with COVID-19, interacted with seven family members at a surprise birthday party. ...

Those seven family members then contracted and spread the virus to 10 other relatives.

Now, Ron Barbosa is keeping track of 18 people in his family who have tested positive for COVID-19.

Barbosa didn't attend the party himself, but the celebration was for his daughter-in-law who turned 30.

However, Barbosa's nephew hosted.

Even though everyone did their best to stay socially distant, Barbosa said it wasn't enough.

"It wasn't that long. It was only a couple of hours," Barbosa, a volunteer EMT said. "But during that brief time, somehow the other 18 family members are now infected with COVID."

Barbosa, who is also married to a doctor, said he and his wife refused to go to the party due to safety reasons.

However, it was a party that by current state health standards appeared harmless. A total of 25 people attended, and not all of them arrived and stayed for the same duration.

"When people started getting sick, we really let everyone have it," Barbosa said. "We knew this was going to happen, I mean this whole time this has been going on we've been terrified."

Among those infected are two young children, two grandparents, a cancer patient and Barbosa's parents, who are in their 80s.

Three are now hospitalized: Barbosa's parents Frank and Carole, along with his sister Kathy, who is battling breast cancer......


Before the party, he played golf with a few family members who also attended the event, according to Barbosa.

Even though everyone did their best to stay socially distant, Barbosa said it wasn't enough.

"It wasn't that long. It was only a couple of hours," Barbosa, a volunteer EMT said. "But during that brief time, somehow the other 18 family members are now infected with COVID."

Barbosa, who is also married to a doctor, said he and his wife refused to go to the party due to safety reasons.

However, it was a party that by current state health standards appeared harmless. A total of 25 people attended, and not all of them arrived and stayed for the same duration.

"When people started getting sick, we really let everyone have it," Barbosa said. "We knew this was going to happen, I mean this whole time this has been going on we've been terrified."

Among those infected are two young children, two grandparents, a cancer patient and Barbosa's parents, who are in their 80s.

Three are now hospitalized: Barbosa's parents Frank and Carole, along with his sister Kathy, who is battling breast cancer.

He says she went to the party and got infected, even though she was socially distanced outside on a porch.

But Barbosa's parents are in a much tougher situation.

Ron

Barbosa said it's likely Carole infected Frank after she stopped by the party to drop something off.

Carole has been hospitalized since June 13, and Frank has been in a hospital since June 17.

Frank is in the ICU and is on life support. Barbosa told WFAA that he is inches away from being put on a ventilator.

"My dad's hanging on by a thread," Barbosa said. "They're saying this is one of the last straws for my dad."

Visitation is mostly restricted, meaning calls to Barbosa's parents are vital.

"That's really the best medicine. You know they're in there by themselves with no family," Barbosa said holding back tears. "It's heartbreaking."

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/north-texas-family-shaken-after-18-relatives-test-positive-for-covid-19-following-surprise-birthday-party/287-ea8960ea-4c3c-40c1-b75e-f4437fe6f836

https://media.wfaa.com/assets/WFAA/images/70bdd730-45ae-4db2-b15c-666199c6d5c1/70bdd730-45ae-4db2-b15c-666199c6d5c1_1140x641.jpg


Lol. I'm not the one who posted regarding the dangers of family gatherings. That was you


chumpdump says family gatherings dangerous. Bwahahahhahahahahahhaha


Still afraid of family gatherings or you over that?


Lol ChumpDumper fell for media hype of virus and scared of family gatherings.


All those dangerous family gatherings lol you are not smart


You keep stressing how insane opening up is and how dangerous family gatherings are.


chump will not do such a thing. He know how the virus is spread and knows that family gatherings will spread the virus.


Tell us more chumpy facebook. How MAY people get this at a family gathering?


so you do not know how it could spread at a family gathering. Got it.


You said you know how the virus is transmitted. So please explain how the virus can spread at these family gatherings.


Stay strong against those family outings. Quick tell me about viral transmission... this will be great


you mean assumptions like how family gatherings are dangerous. Lololololol


lololololol is that really the best thing you can come up with to advert the attention from your fear of family gatherings?


you are so scared to get it, because you said its so dangerous and family gatherings would give it to everyone who attended. And you are afraid


oh chumpy Facebook. The dangers of the family gatherings. You're right. You may not make it


no response on how bad those family gatherings are?


Oh no chumpy facebook makes a comment about how bad those family gatherings are, then won't say why they're bad... who would have thought.....


chumpy Facebook bout to share science on how bad family gatherings are... wait for it.


Lol family gatherings


those family gatherings... elaborate.. lol.


Lol tell us about those family gatherings that are so bad.

th:lolldren

[Blake]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/bcfc436fbd3c08670e513968efea5a98/tenor.gif?itemid=5030506

[RandomGuy]

Lol using math with 0 context just divide by 2. Lolololol

https://rt.live/

was 1.14 yesterday. Now is 1.18.

That is the R-naught for Texas. There is your context, you stupid motherfucker.

[RandomGuy]

Based on cdc guidelines of you have a runny nose you can be diagnosed with covid. No test needed.

Lying sack of shit.

Link? or you gonna lie some more and pretend you aren't lying?

[Blake]

^This is how it spreads. Not by brief encounters with randos at stores.

People are going to hang out with friends and family, especially younger people.

Funny when I told the story of my cousin getting it, which was very similar to this story, you said you didn't buy it. Go figure.

[tholdren]

Lying sack of shit.

Link? or you gonna lie some more and pretend you aren't lying?
Bwagahahaha meltdown. You can easily look up cdc symptoms. You can easily look up probable cases and how these are defined/counted.

Or you can continue to gossip. And that math you are trying to use. What happened to that signature

*still using R0. Bqahhahahahah and claiming it is contextual even after ranting for months about testing. You just are not that good at math man. Post about something else.

[RandomGuy]

Link? or you gonna lie some more and pretend you aren't lying?



Bwagahahaha meltdown. You can easily look up cdc symptoms. You can easily look up probable cases and how these are defined/counted.

Or you can continue to gossip. And that math you are trying to use. What happened to that signature

*still using R0. Bqahhahahahah and claiming it is contextual even after ranting for months about testing. You just are not that good at math man. Post about something else.

So... it's the latter.

No link, no backing up your bullshit ranting.

"lololololololol" is about all you got.

fucking pathetic.

[tholdren]

th:lolldren

Bwahahahaha you took this from....."scary mommy" bwahahahhahahahahHhHHHHHHHHh

[tholdren]

So... it's the latter.

No link, no backing up your bullshit ranting.

"lololololololol" is about all you got.

fucking pathetic.
Nope just you gossiping. Too lazy to do research. But use faulty logic and faulty math hilarious

[RandomGuy]

You have a link to back up your bullshit?


Nope just you gossiping. Too lazy to do research. But use faulty logic and faulty math hilarious

Not my job to prove your assertions, moron.

:cry why won't Randomguy do my work for me?

Cry harder.


When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)

[tholdren]

Not my job to prove your assertions, moron.

:cry why won't Randomguy do my work for me?

Cry harder.

Llol your logic.

Talking about things you admittedly know nothing about. Lol

Talking about things you know nothing about and refuse to learn more about.

Probably why you don't know why your math is faulty. Lol

[RandomGuy]

No links... no arguments...

Just "lol"

Back to the ignore pile. loser.

[RandomGuy]

Probably why you don't know why your math is faulty. Lol

A: Faulty math can be demonstrated.

You can't do that. If you could, you would have.

The only reasonable assumption is to reject your assertion.

[ChumpDumper]

Bwahahahaha you took this from....."scary mommy" bwahahahhahahahahHhHHHHHHHHh

You were wrong. And you're still too afraid to say how you think the virus spreads.

th:lolldren

[RandomGuy]

You were wrong. And you're still too afraid to say how you think the virus spreads.

th:lolldren

Seriously think this fucker is as insane in his own way as Cosmored. Creepy.

[tholdren]

You were wrong. And you're still too afraid to say how you think the virus spreads.

th:lolldren
Wrong about what? Lol you used an opinion from a scary mommy.com headline to do what, show me that no one died from coronavirus? Nice work scientist. Probably TimDunkems article. He had it ya know.

[DMC]

Confirmed & Probable Counts

As of April 14, 2020, CDC case counts and death counts include both confirmed and probable cases and deaths. This change was made to reflect an interim COVID-19 position statement by the Council for State and Territorial Epidemiologists on April 5, 2020. The position statement included a case definition and made COVID-19 a nationally notifiable disease. Nationally notifiable disease cases are voluntarily reported to CDC by jurisdictions.

A confirmed case or death is defined by meeting confirmatory laboratory evidence for COVID-19.

A probable case or death is defined by one of the following:

Meeting clinical criteria AND epidemiologic evidence with no confirmatory laboratory testing performed for COVID-19
Meeting presumptive laboratory evidence AND either clinical criteria OR epidemiologic evidence
Meeting vital records criteria with no confirmatory laboratory testing performed for COVID19
Not all jurisdictions report confirmed and probable cases and deaths to CDC. When not available to CDC, it is noted as N/A.



Accuracy of Data

CDC does not know the exact number of COVID-19 illnesses, hospitalizations, and deaths for a variety of reasons. COVID-19 can cause mild illness, symptoms might not appear immediately, there are delays in reporting and testing, not everyone who is infected gets tested or seeks medical care, and there may be differences in how jurisdictions confirm numbers.



Changes & Fluctuations in Data

Health departments may update case data over time when they receive more complete and accurate information.

The number of new cases reported each day fluctuates. There is generally less reporting on the weekends and holidays.



Differences between CDC and Jurisdiction Data

If the number of cases or deaths reported by CDC is different from the number reported by jurisdiction health departments, data reported by jurisdictions should be considered the most up to date. The differences may be due to the timing of the reporting and website updates.

[tholdren]

A: Faulty math can be demonstrated.

You can't do that. If you could, you would have.

The only reasonable assumption is to reject your assertion.

Bwahahahahhahahaha I already have mr divide by 2. Bwahahahhaha your math

[tholdren]

Confirmed & Probable Counts

As of April 14, 2020, CDC case counts and death counts include both confirmed and probable cases and deaths. This change was made to reflect an interim COVID-19 position statement by the Council for State and Territorial Epidemiologists on April 5, 2020. The position statement included a case definition and made COVID-19 a nationally notifiable disease. Nationally notifiable disease cases are voluntarily reported to CDC by jurisdictions.

A confirmed case or death is defined by meeting confirmatory laboratory evidence for COVID-19.

A probable case or death is defined by one of the following:

Meeting clinical criteria AND epidemiologic evidence with no confirmatory laboratory testing performed for COVID-19
Meeting presumptive laboratory evidence AND either clinical criteria OR epidemiologic evidence
Meeting vital records criteria with no confirmatory laboratory testing performed for COVID19
Not all jurisdictions report confirmed and probable cases and deaths to CDC. When not available to CDC, it is noted as N/A.



Accuracy of Data

CDC does not know the exact number of COVID-19 illnesses, hospitalizations, and deaths for a variety of reasons. COVID-19 can cause mild illness, symptoms might not appear immediately, there are delays in reporting and testing, not everyone who is infected gets tested or seeks medical care, and there may be differences in how jurisdictions confirm numbers.



Changes & Fluctuations in Data

Health departments may update case data over time when they receive more complete and accurate information.

The number of new cases reported each day fluctuates. There is generally less reporting on the weekends and holidays.



Differences between CDC and Jurisdiction Data

If the number of cases or deaths reported by CDC is different from the number reported by jurisdiction health departments, data reported by jurisdictions should be considered the most up to date. The differences may be due to the timing of the reporting and website updates.
And here's the rest

SAN FRANCISCO (KRON) – The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) have quietly added three new coronavirussymptoms to its ongoing list.

According to the CDC’s website, the following symptoms were added on May 13:

Congestion or runny noseNauseaDiarrhea

[TimDunkem]

"10k...Tops!"

https://minnesotareformer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/mood.gif

[DMC]

Confirmed & Probable Counts

As of April 14, 2020, CDC case counts and death counts include both confirmed and probable cases and deaths. This change was made to reflect an interim COVID-19 position statement by the Council for State and Territorial Epidemiologists on April 5, 2020. The position statement included a case definition and made COVID-19 a nationally notifiable disease. Nationally notifiable disease cases are voluntarily reported to CDC by jurisdictions.

A confirmed case or death is defined by meeting confirmatory laboratory evidence for COVID-19.

A probable case or death is defined by one of the following:

Meeting clinical criteria AND epidemiologic evidence with no confirmatory laboratory testing performed for COVID-19
Meeting presumptive laboratory evidence AND either clinical criteria OR epidemiologic evidence
Meeting vital records criteria with no confirmatory laboratory testing performed for COVID19
Not all jurisdictions report confirmed and probable cases and deaths to CDC. When not available to CDC, it is noted as N/A.



Accuracy of Data

CDC does not know the exact number of COVID-19 illnesses, hospitalizations, and deaths for a variety of reasons. COVID-19 can cause mild illness, symptoms might not appear immediately, there are delays in reporting and testing, not everyone who is infected gets tested or seeks medical care, and there may be differences in how jurisdictions confirm numbers.



Changes & Fluctuations in Data

Health departments may update case data over time when they receive more complete and accurate information.

The number of new cases reported each day fluctuates. There is generally less reporting on the weekends and holidays.



Differences between CDC and Jurisdiction Data

If the number of cases or deaths reported by CDC is different from the number reported by jurisdiction health departments, data reported by jurisdictions should be considered the most up to date. The differences may be due to the timing of the reporting and website updates.

Epidemiological studies can never prove causation; that is, it cannot prove that a specific risk factor actually causes the disease being studied. Epidemiological evidence can only show that this risk factor is associated (correlated) with a higher incidence of disease in the population exposed to that risk factor.

Presumptive tests
 Can establish the possibility that a specific
bodily tissue or fluid is present

Presumptive
 Narrows possibilities and
helps decide which test to
do next
 Can use on larger areas
 Can locate evidence not
visible to naked eye
 Sensitive
 Risk of false positives

[DMC]

Whatever we're doing on the weekends and holidays seems to be working, the cases for those days are significantly lower.

[tholdren]

Whatever we're doing on the weekends and holidays seems to be working, the cases for those days are significantly lower.
Stores close an hour earlier.

[Blake]

Bwahahahahhahahaha I already have mr divide by 2. Bwahahahhaha your math

Like a bad Avante only instead of track and field it's math

[tholdren]

Like a bad Avante only instead of track and field it's math

TIP: chime in before you are proven wrong, not after.

[Blake]

TIP: chime in before you are proven wrong, not after.

Hasn't stopped you

[tholdren]

Hasn't stopped you

Never been proven wrong. You have daily.

[Blake]

Never been proven wrong. You have daily.

:lmao tholderp

[tholdren]

:lmao tholderp

You got me with the emoji.

[Blake]

:lmao tholderp

[Play Boban]

Pleading with a virus.
Maybe you have a special antiviral dance?
HKun!tasa

[DMC]

Blake argues with zero ammunition. He just bitches that you didn't fall when he said "pow".

[Blake]

Blake argues with zero ammunition. He just bitches that you didn't fall when he said "pow".

Lol dmc has no idea what's been said already. Just here to bite ankle

[CosmicCowboy]

Serious question.

Has anyone read or heard if the covid and antigen tests have improved? I know at first they were totally unreliable.

[Will Hunting]

Serious question.

Has anyone read or heard if the covid and antigen tests have improved? I know at first they were totally unreliable.
Last week we had a senior care resident test positive, then 2 days later test negative, then positive again. I’ve heard that the really expensive antibody tests are reliable but the cheaper and quicker tests aren’t.

[BSfromTX]

Serious question.

Has anyone read or heard if the covid and antigen tests have improved? I know at first they were totally unreliable.


Did you mean to say antibody test?

[CosmicCowboy]

Did you mean to say antibody test?

yes

[vy65]

Bars closed again

[boutons_deux]

Bars closed again

Masks STILL not mandatory in TX, but are in 18 other states.

Countries with mandatory masks have greatly reduced the spread, even "beaten" the pandemic and are opening successfully.

But America is EXCEPTIONALLY STUPID, IGNORANT, rotting from the President and Repug pols on down.

[tholdren]

Lol texas
The order includes the following:

All bars and similar establishments that receive more than 51% of their gross receipts from the sale of alcoholic beverages are required to close at 12:00 pm Friday. These businesses may remain open for delivery and take-out, including for alcoholic beverages, as authorized by the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission. Restaurants may remain open for dine-in service, but at a capacity not to exceed 50% of total listed indoor occupancy, beginning Monday.Rafting and tubing businesses must close.Outdoor gatherings of 100 or more people must be approved by local governments, with certain exceptions.

[boutons_deux]

What Covid-19 antibody tests say — and don’t say — about immunity

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2020/4/28/21237922/antibody-test-covid-19-immunity

[tholdren]

Healthcare CEOs of the Texas Medical Center said Thursday that a letter that was sent out to the community Wednesday regarding the hospital system's "increasingly stretched" ICU capacity level was "misinterpreted" and stressed the pandemic is not eclipsing hospital capabilities to care for COVID-19 positive patients as well as other patients.

Following reports that TMC had reached 97 percent capacity, Dr. Marc Boom, Houston Methodist president and CEO, said ICU capacity percentages in the 80s or 90s is "completely normal."

[Blake]

Healthcare CEOs of the Texas Medical Center said Thursday that a letter that was sent out to the community Wednesday regarding the hospital system's "increasingly stretched" ICU capacity level was "misinterpreted" and stressed the pandemic is not eclipsing hospital capabilities to care for COVID-19 positive patients as well as other patients.

Following reports that TMC had reached 97 percent capacity, Dr. Marc Boom, Houston Methodist president and CEO, said ICU capacity percentages in the 80s or 90s is "completely normal."

As soon as the governor halted all elective surgeries, the Houston TMC changed their tune real quick about ICU capacity levels. Boom needs to states very clearly what the actual true capacity is without all this vague language.

[tholdren]

As soon as the governor halted all elective surgeries, the Houston TMC changed their tune real quick about ICU capacity levels. Boom needs to states very clearly what the actual true capacity is without all this vague language.
Its easily accessible on tmc edu

[Spurminator]

Lockdown II: Texas Bungle-loo

[tholdren]

As soon as the governor halted all elective surgeries, the Houston TMC changed their tune real quick about ICU capacity levels. Boom needs to states very clearly what the actual true capacity is without all this vague language.
They never changed their tune they just said what I have been saying. General public doesn't understand the data and passes media hype as truth.

[Blake]

Its easily accessible on tmc edu

You're a liar though.

[tholdren]

You're a liar though.

Nope, never lied. Just giving you the actual data withoit sensationalism

[Blake]

They never changed their tune they just said what I have been saying. General public doesn't understand the data and passes media hype as truth.

Article title from the same Houston chronicle you pasted your info from:

"Texas Medical Center leaders change tone, say COVID surge manageable"

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Texas-Medical-Center-leaders-change-tone-15366386.php

It's only gossip when others post from the chronicle, huh

[Blake]

Nope, never lied. Just giving you the actual data withoit sensationalism

But you're a liar though.

[tholdren]

Article title from the same Houston chronicle you pasted your info from:

"Texas Medical Center leaders change tone, say COVID surge manageable"

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Texas-Medical-Center-leaders-change-tone-15366386.php

It's only gossip when others post from the chronicle, huh

The gossip you post is out of context. Just like the headline. The doctors have clearly not changed his mind. They all state the data is misinterpreted.

The headline is disingenuous

[tholdren]

Article title from the same Houston chronicle you pasted your info from:

"Texas Medical Center leaders change tone, say COVID surge manageable"

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Texas-Medical-Center-leaders-change-tone-15366386.php

It's only gossip when others post from the chronicle, huh

You continue to prove my point about clickbait media headlines though. Great news that you succeeded in pushing the gossip.

Lol

Literally none of those people changed their tune.

[Blake]

They never changed their tune they just said what I have been saying. General public doesn't understand the data and passes media hype as truth.

This is what they were quoted as literally saying 18 hours ago:

"Eleven leaders of the system’s member hospitals and medical schools said in a joint statement that COVID-related admissions were increasing at an “alarming rate,” stretching the capacity of ICU units.....

“If this trend continues, our hospital system capacity will become overwhelmed, leading us to make difficult choices of delaying much-needed non-COVID care to accommodate a greater number of COVID patients,” the group wrote.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Houston-ICU-capacity-could-be-exceeded-Thursday-15363724.php

That's not the general public saying that. That's the joint leaders of the hospitals in a direct quote.

[Blake]

You continue to prove my point about clickbait media headlines though. Great news that you succeeded in pushing the gossip.

Lol

Literally none of those people changed their tune.

Right, so it's only gossip when someone posts something you don't agree with, even if it's an expert in the field.

You're really bad at lying.

[RandomGuy]

Bwahahahahhahahaha I already have mr divide by 2. Bwahahahhaha your math

https://rt.live/

was 1.18 yesterday. Now is 1.25.

That is the R-naught for Texas. There is your context, you stupid motherfucker.

[TimDunkem]

Bwahahaha th:lolldren pwned per usual

[koriwhat]

If we die we die. Fuck it!

[RandomGuy]

So Hays High School just had its graduation. 600 kids... with parents...

They did most of it outside, but still, the kids stopped social distancing, and took their masks off to talk to each other.

Absolutely 100% that someone there had it. Most probably a good hundred or so people there had COVID (based on 3% gen pop infection rate, just a guess).

Welcome to the superspreading event for central texas.

You can do the math yourself. Figure 97% chance that any given person is negative. take .97 to the 600th power, to get the chance that none of the students had it. each student could have 2 guests.

.97 to the 1800th power.

Odds are at that 3% infection rate that quite a few of them had it. milling around, clustering at exits. Holy fuck.

[vy65]

RIP Hospitality Industry

[RandomGuy]

RIP Hospitality Industry

Entirely self-inflected wound. Some right wing fuckwad pushed for reopening on talk radio a month or two ago, and that got picked up in their echo chamber until President Lazyass McTweetenstein picked up on it, and pushed the policy, now we are all going to face a huge, predictable, avoidable, stupid spike, that is going to damage the economy more than hunkering down would have.

If we had competent leadership, and Republicans were not the fucking idiots that they collectively are, we might have had a chance.

New Zealand had competent leadership.
43,000 Fans Pack Stadium for Rugby Game After New Zealand Beats Coronavirus
https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2020/06/15/new-zealand-super-rugby-coronavirus-fans-sellout

[boutons_deux]

RIP Hospitality Industry

One of many industries.

For BigFinance, "some say" that 2020 is 2007, 2021 will 2008

evictions from foreclosures, of renters, 100Ks homeless,

cash-flow busted property owners defaulting on their bank loans, etc, etc.

I am so grateful that in these perilous times, the American ship of state is under the steady, wise guidance of Don the Con motherfucking Trash and Repug Senate.

[SpursforSix]

I am so grateful that in these perilous times, the American ship of state is under the steady, wise guidance of Don

Noted

[vy65]

Entirely self-inflected wound. Some right wing fuckwad pushed for reopening on talk radio a month or two ago, and that got picked up in their echo chamber until President Lazyass McTweetenstein picked up on it, and pushed the policy, now we are all going to face a huge, predictable, avoidable, stupid spike, that is going to damage the economy more than hunkering down would have.

If we had competent leadership, and Republicans were fucking idiots, we might have had a chance.

New Zealand had competent leadership.
43,000 Fans Pack Stadium for Rugby Game After New Zealand Beats Coronavirus
https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2020/06/15/new-zealand-super-rugby-coronavirus-fans-sellout

I get what you mean, but I don't think self-inflicted is the right term -- its not like industry is responsible for our retarded leadership.

Regardless, I'm really gonna miss bars and restaurants

[vy65]

I am so grateful that in these perilous times, the American ship of state is under the steady, wise guidance of Don the Con motherfucking Trash and Repug Senate.

the great buttons

[RandomGuy]

I get what you mean, but I don't think self-inflicted is the right term -- its not like industry is responsible for our retarded leadership.

Regardless, I'm really gonna miss bars and restaurants

Me too. So many microbrewery jobs are going to vanish, and so much good beer... :cry

[vy65]

GYBE nailed it ... America is a third world county

[TimDunkem]

I get what you mean, but I don't think self-inflicted is the right term -- its not like industry is responsible for our retarded leadership.

Regardless, I'm really gonna miss bars and restaurants

For some places it's certainly appropriate. I know quite a few involved in the restaurant industry and many of the stories in these places are not good to say the least. Not enforcing basic guidelines, no temperature checks, not sending sick employees home, employers giving employees a hard time about sick leave, etc. Some of these places deserve to close down.

[TimDunkem]

Me too. So many microbrewery jobs are going to vanish, and so much good beer... :cry

Stock up now. :(

[vy65]

For some places it's certainly appropriate. I know quite a few involved in the restaurant industry and many of the stories in these places are not good to say the least. Not enforcing basic guidelines, no temperature checks, not sending sick employees home, employers giving employees a hard time about sick leave, etc. Some of these places deserve to close down.

Yeah, but what were we expecting? They had been closed down -- meaning, making no money -- for 2+ months. How would you respond if you had, by no choice of your own, been forced to give up your pay check for that long and then allowed to start working again?

[RandomGuy]

For some places it's certainly appropriate. I know quite a few involved in the restaurant industry and many of the stories in these places are not good to say the least. Not enforcing basic guidelines, no temperature checks, not sending sick employees home, employers giving employees a hard time about sick leave, etc. Some of these places deserve to close down.

I think we are going to have a pretty serious national conversation about the benefits of paid sick leave for everybody. I cannot wait to taste the salty tears of libertarians and the wreckage of the GOP when that gets passed.

[vy65]

Me too. So many microbrewery jobs are going to vanish, and so much good beer... :cry

Eh, they can shift to to-go orders entirely. Not so worried about them.

[TimDunkem]

I think we are going to have a pretty serious national conversation about the benefits of paid sick leave for everybody. I cannot wait to taste the salty tears of libertarians and the wreckage of the GOP when that gets passed.

I think self-inflected was appropriate. If you want survival of the fittest, back to work full-time x2 until you drop, sacrifice the old, etc, then this is what you get.

Of course it would've made a huge difference to just not deny science and skip reopening steps, but whatever.

[RandomGuy]

GYBE nailed it ... America is a third world county



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2FHCrEob8I

Corporate Democrats and the party formerly known as the Republican party sold out the working class a long time ago, and structured our laws and economy around benefitting the wealthy.

Welcome to the party pal.

[vy65]

Hope this means Abbot and his crazy christian lieutenant roll on out of office in 2022

[DMC]

GYBE nailed it ... America is a third world county

Then some of you motherfukers should feel right at home.

[TimDunkem]

Then some of you motherfukers should feel right at home.

Dog whistle.

[ChumpDumper]

Dog whistle.Schoolmarm DMCaren lashing out.

[TimDunkem]

Schoolmarm DMCaren lashing out.

"Don't care, just checking assholes, honest broker, my body isn't fat just my hands, etc"

[Blake]

Hope this means Abbot and his crazy christian lieutenant roll on out of office in 2022

:tu

[baseline bum]

I get what you mean, but I don't think self-inflicted is the right term -- its not like industry is responsible for our retarded leadership.

Regardless, I'm really gonna miss bars and restaurants

You can definitely blame Balous Miller, the owner of Bill Miller's BBQ, for Texas pushing dining rooms and bars being opened. LOL the Texas Strike Force and the Balous Miller Recovery.

[vy65]

So, why bars only and not car dealerships or gyms?

[vy65]

WHEREFOR ART THOU TILLMAN FERTITA?

[baseline bum]

So, why bars only and not car dealerships or gyms?

Just saying the restaurants were part of the retarded leadership in Texas.

[Blake]

So, why bars only and not car dealerships or gyms?

Or amusement parks, nail salons, etc

[Blake]

Just saying the restaurants were part of the retarded leadership in Texas.

And Ballous Miller's doesn't sell alcohol so he good

[vy65]

Just saying the restaurants were part of the retarded leadership in Texas.

Wasn’t directed at you. Just saying that the three vectors of infection that have been identified are bars, gyms, and car dealerships. Closing 1 out of 3 is misguided.

[BSfromTX]

You can definitely blame Balous Miller, the owner of Bill Miller's BBQ, for Texas pushing dining rooms and bars being opened. LOL the Texas Strike Force and the Balous Miller Recovery.


How do you know? Seems like Bill Millers has been more cautious than most. Not doubting, just wondering.

[baseline bum]

How do you know? Seems like Bill Millers has been more cautious than most. Not doubting, just wondering.

There is no such thing as caution with open indoor dining rooms.

[vy65]

So, why bars only and not car dealerships or gyms?

1276341082314493954

This may be fallout from CC's comments, but what Lt. Gov. Biblethumper says about "mostly young people" along with the ban on floating the river makes part of me think that this is actually targeted at the 20-39 demographic.

b:lol:lolmers ... can't fuck off soon enough.

[ChumpDumper]

1276341082314493954

This may be fallout from CC's comments, but what Lt. Gov. Biblethumper says about "mostly young people" along with the ban on floating the river makes part of me think that this is actually targeted at the 20-39 demographic.

b:lol:lolmers ... can't fuck off soon enough.After Dan said he would gladly sacrifice his own life for the young people's economy.

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/boriquagato/status/1276494896132534277

https://twitter.com/boriquagato/status/1276494898401693696

thread

[ChumpDumper]

Oh, anonymous twitter.

[boutons_deux]

U.S. Supreme Court rejects Texas Democrats' effort to expand voting by mail during pandemic


https://www.texastribune.org/2020/06/26/us-supreme-court-rejects-texas-democrats-effort-expand-absentee-voting/

[tholdren]

Oh, anonymous twitter.

Lol your gossip. 100 times the flu. Hospitals are all over capcity. We need ships. Kansas flu. Scarymommy.com articles, family gatherings, wet markets only in china, second wave, daily counts, list just goes on.

2 weeks

[ChumpDumper]

I lie.

[tholdren]

Lol your gossip. 100 times the flu. Hospitals are all over capcity. We need ships. Kansas flu. Scarymommy.com articles, family gatherings, wet markets only in china, second wave, daily counts, list just goes on.

2 weeks

all things ChumpDumper said. All wrong. Hilarious

[ChumpDumper]

all things ChumpDumper said. All wrong. Hilarioustholdren said it was the flu and then hid in his bunker for three months. No one has ever been more wrong than th:lolldren in the history of message boards.

lololololololololololololol

[tholdren]

tholdren said it was the flu and then hid in his bunker for three months. No one has ever been more wrong than th:lolldren in the history of message boards.

lololololololololololololol
Hmmm this is the route you are still going? One thing you're using out of context?

Sounds about right

[ChumpDumper]

Hmmm this is the route you are still going? One thing you're using out of context?

Sounds about rightNope. You called it the flu then hid in your bunker when you were proved wrong.

You've been desperate to change this history but there it is.

lololololololololol

[tholdren]

Nope. You called it the flu then hid in your bunker when you were proved wrong.

You've been desperate to change this history but there it is.

lololololololololol
"Proved wrong" oh by the ifr... wait. It proved me correct. Thanks for saying so. Glad you understand now.

[ChumpDumper]

"Proved wrong"Yep, no quotes needed.

You were wrong.

Nothing will ever change that.

lolololololololololol

[tholdren]

chumpdump cognitive dissonance.

Being tough and claiming people are hiding, then saying people need to be hiding and those who aren't are irresponsible.

He's unsure why this is a problem. Oh well look daily case count

[ChumpDumper]

chumpdump cognitive dissonance.

Being tough and claiming people are hiding, then saying people need to be hiding and those who aren't are irresponsible.

He's unsure why this is a problem. Oh well look daily case countYou hid in your bunker because you were proved wrong on a message board.

It drove you insane.

[tholdren]

You hid in your bunker because you were proved wrong on a message board.

It drove you insane.

lol and again cog dis

[ChumpDumper]

lol and again cog dislol and again bunker madness

[Blake]

https://twitter.com/boriquagato/status/1276494896132534277

https://twitter.com/boriquagato/status/1276494898401693696

thread

Lol "El gato malo"

[Blake]

chumpdump cognitive dissonance.

Being tough and claiming people are hiding, then saying people need to be hiding and those who aren't are irresponsible.

He's unsure why this is a problem. Oh well look daily case count

Lol tholderp's gossip

[TSA]

Lol "El gato malo"

https://mobile.twitter.com/boriquagato/status/1276494920262402048

[ChumpDumper]

Anonymous twitter acting like reopening was flicking a switch and the growth rate takes no time at all to accelerate to current levels.

[Blake]

Lol "El gato malo"


https://mobile.twitter.com/boriquagato/status/1276494920262402048

[DarrinS]

Anonymous twitter acting like reopening was flicking a switch and the growth rate takes no time at all to accelerate to current levels.

Reopening was a long time ago. The timing of protests makes more sense.

Or, maybe seeing mass gatherings/protests led to people letting their guard down. Who knows?

[DarrinS]

It's odd how quick some are to dismiss the idea that the protests had anything to do with it.

[MannyIsGod]

We're like 4 months into this and I see the same people still can't understand exponential growth.

[ChumpDumper]

Reopening was a long time ago.:lmao no it wasn't.

[vy65]

It's odd how quick some are to dismiss the idea that the protests had anything to do with it.

Minnesota and Washington state aren't spiking like Texas and Florida and California.

[MannyIsGod]

It's odd how quick some are to dismiss the idea that the protests had anything to do with it.

There's 100% no doubt that protests have contributed some fraction of the new cases. But even the largest protests in this state, in Austin and in Houston, had about 60k people present, the vast majority with masks, in outdoor daytime settings. On the other hand, you have literally millions of people on a daily basis congregating in groups in indoor settings with a much lower amount of mask usage. Even when you ignore the different contexts of these environments, the orders of scale on what happens in normal society and at protests are just orders of magnitude different.

But all that being said, if you group 60k people together during a pandemic, it is impossible to avoid spread and I am 100% sure that a portion of the new cases are a direct result of that.

[MannyIsGod]

Minnesota and Washington state aren't spiking like Texas and Florida and California.

Yeah there's this too.

[ChumpDumper]

It's odd how quick some are to dismiss the idea that the protests had anything to do with it.It's odd how you said being outside is fine before the non-right wingers started protesting outside.

I'll agree the protests have something to do with it. Many more people went to bars and restaurants than ever protested.

[tholdren]

It's odd how you said being outside is fine before the non-right wingers started protesting outside.

I'll agree the protests have something to do with it. Many more people went to bars and restaurants than ever protested.
Lol you blamed a pandemic on the president

[ChumpDumper]

Lol you blamed a pandemic on the presidentHe contributed to the problem for sure.

Do you think he made any mistakes, tholdren?

If yes, what were those mistakes?

[MannyIsGod]

Many more people went to bars and restaurants than ever protested.

Exactly. 60k in Houston out of a metro area with 7 million people isn't exactly a huge number. On the other hand, how many people were in indoor dining areas or bars? WAY more than 60k over the past month.

[vy65]

There's 100% no doubt that protests have contributed some fraction of the new cases. But even the largest protests in this state, in Austin and in Houston, had about 60k people present, the vast majority with masks, in outdoor daytime settings. On the other hand, you have literally millions of people on a daily basis congregating in groups in indoor settings with a much lower amount of mask usage. Even when you ignore the different contexts of these environments, the orders of scale on what happens in normal society and at protests are just orders of magnitude different.

But all that being said, if you group 60k people together during a pandemic, it is impossible to avoid spread and I am 100% sure that a portion of the new cases are a direct result of that.

And so, it's fucking stupid to politicize the issue by responding to the second round of closures with "muh protests." This shouldn't be a political issue. This should be a science issue. Why the fuck do we need to acknowledge protests likely caused some spread -- it's like we're at AA introducing ourselves as alcoholics.

[ChumpDumper]

Exactly. 60k in Houston out of a metro area with 7 million people isn't exactly a huge number. On the other hand, how many people were in indoor dining areas or bars? WAY more than 60k over the past month.


And so, it's fucking stupid to politicize the issue by responding to the second round of closures with "muh protests." This shouldn't be a political issue. This should be a science issue. Why the fuck do we need to acknowledge protests likely caused some spread -- it's like we're at AA introducing ourselves as alcoholics.

It's pretty simple.

DarrinS went to bars.

DarrinS did not go to protests.

[MannyIsGod]

And so, it's fucking stupid to politicize the issue by responding to the second round of closures with "muh protests." This shouldn't be a political issue. This should be a science issue. Why the fuck do we need to acknowledge protests likely caused some spread -- it's like we're at AA introducing ourselves as alcoholics.

Why are masks political at this point? I honestly don't know what people who politicize this think. The virus isn't just going to go away if you close your eyes and pretend it doesn't' exist, yet one political faction in this country has a leader who is saying exactly that and has people who follow him regardless of predictable outcomes. Honestly, this is no different than other forms of science denial by "conservatives" in this country, but this unlike something like climate change, this time the results of denial are weeks not decades.

And to what end? I mean with climate change it results in certain people getting rich at the cost of others, but who the fuck benefits from COVID coming roaring back? It's just so fucking stupid.

But anyway, acknowledging that it is a contributor factor at least removes that particular bad faith argument from the table. Don't even have to mention that going to a protest against the state killing people with an out of control police force is pretty different than going to a business to pay for an overpriced drink but yeah.

[vy65]

It'd be so much more honest to take the position that all the science shows us that this thing will be with us for a long time, that we simply can't protect everyone to the fullest extent that we'd like, and that we have to make hard decisions and compromise to allow people to make a living. One of the many reasons why this country has failed is because epidemiology is politicized now.

[DarrinS]

It's pretty simple.

DarrinS went to bars.

DarrinS did not go to protests.


And I'm not sick. Just sayin.

[vy65]

Why are masks political at this point? I honestly don't know what people who politicize this think. The virus isn't just going to go away if you close your eyes and pretend it doesn't' exist, yet one political faction in this country has a leader who is saying exactly that and has people who follow him regardless of predictable outcomes. Honestly, this is no different than other forms of science denial by "conservatives" in this country, but this unlike something like climate change, this time the results of denial are weeks not decades.

And to what end? I mean with climate change it results in certain people getting rich at the cost of others, but who the fuck benfits from COVID coming roaring back? It's just so fucking stupid.

I think people confuse being in a democracy and having internet access with being an expert on their topic of choice. As unpopular as this sounds, not everyone should be able to speak or have opinions on everything. Experts are good for a reason.

[MannyIsGod]

I think people confuse being in a democracy and having internet access with being an expert on their topic of choice. As unpopular as this sounds, not everyone should be able to speak or have opinions on everything. Experts are good for a reason.

100%

You're a lawyer. You realize that you're not going to call El Gato Loco to be an expert witness because of a fucking tweet thread. But yeah, here we are.

[MannyIsGod]

I mean honestly, can someone explain to me what the fucking positive endgame was for Abbott by preventing cities from enacting mask ordinances from the get go?

[vy65]

100%

You're a lawyer. You realize that you're not going to call El Gato Loco to be an expert witness because of a fucking tweet thread. But yeah, here we are.

:lmao

It's why its absurd when idiots like Chris post tweets of some retarded legal talking point that invariably turns out to be incorrect. I'm sure you've seen the same with the climate change conversation. Not everyone's opinion is valid or needs to be heard.

[vy65]

I mean honestly, can someone explain to me what the fucking positive endgame was for Abbott by preventing cities from enacting mask ordinances from the get go?

um, freedom?

[vy65]

And something about not being a cuck

[ChumpDumper]

And I'm not sick. Just sayin.Neither are the vast majority of protesters.

[ChumpDumper]

I mean honestly, can someone explain to me what the fucking positive endgame was for Abbott by preventing cities from enacting mask ordinances from the get go?Not getting primaried by someone from the facial freedom caucus of the Texas Republican party.

[ElNono]

I think people confuse being in a democracy and having internet access with being an expert on their topic of choice. As unpopular as this sounds, not everyone should be able to speak or have opinions on everything. Experts are good for a reason.

Just watch that Florida video for a perfect illustration of what you refer to.

[DarrinS]

Looking at some of these southern states, it's obvious that "something" changed in early June.

Georgia opened at the end of April, but just starting to see increases now?

[vy65]

Just watch that Florida video for a perfect illustration of what you refer to.

Which video?

[vy65]

Looking at some of these southern states, it's obvious that "something" changed in early June.

Georgia opened at the end of April, but just starting to see increases now?

Why is it one or the other? Several posters told you that protests likely were a net-contributor in cases. What do you make of that admission?

[ElNono]

Looking at some of these southern states, it's obvious that "something" changed in early June.

Georgia opened at the end of April, but just starting to see increases now?

I don't think people were as confident to go out back in April, especially when it looked like we were just in the middle of of the worst part of this thing.

[DarrinS]

I think people confuse being in a democracy and having internet access with being an expert on their topic of choice. As unpopular as this sounds, not everyone should be able to speak or have opinions on everything. Experts are good for a reason.

Neil Ferguson is an expert.

[vy65]

Neil Ferguson is an expert.

Correct, he is.

[ChumpDumper]

Looking at some of these southern states, it's obvious that "something" changed in early June.

Georgia opened at the end of April, but just starting to see increases now?Bars and nightclubs opened in Georgia June 1.

[ElNono]

Which video?

1275905785927741446

and

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/06/24/mask-mandate-florida-anger-erupts-coronavirus-vpx.cnn

[ElNono]

Warning: bunch of Karens in those videos

[DarrinS]

Why is it one or the other? Several posters told you that protests likely were a net-contributor in cases. What do you make of that admission?

Personally, I think most people get this from family members and close friends.

You mentioned something about car dealerships earlier. Where did you hear that?

[vy65]

1275905785927741446

and

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/06/24/mask-mandate-florida-anger-erupts-coronavirus-vpx.cnn

Ah yes, the tweet that made me lose what little faith in humanity I had left.

[vy65]

Personally, I think most people get this from family members and close friends.

You mentioned something about car dealerships earlier. Where did you hear that?

https://www.kens5.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/bars-gyms-car-dealerships-are-major-contributors-to-san-antonio-virus-surge-officials-say/273-329b081a-240d-44d7-a504-71ccd0c10aab

Quit Facebook. Set yourself free man ...

[DarrinS]

https://www.kens5.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/bars-gyms-car-dealerships-are-major-contributors-to-san-antonio-virus-surge-officials-say/273-329b081a-240d-44d7-a504-71ccd0c10aab

Quit Facebook. Set yourself free man ...

I'm not on Facebook. Thanks

[vy65]

1275905785927741446

and

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/06/24/mask-mandate-florida-anger-erupts-coronavirus-vpx.cnn

5BBhNkywMJY

[DarrinS]

Neil Ferguson is an expert.


Correct, he is.



Back in 2005, this expert predicted 200 million people could die of bird flu. Worldwide deaths < 300.

[vy65]

Back in 2005, this expert predicted 200 million people could die of bird flu. Worldwide deaths < 300.

We'll put aside the boatload of questions/assumptions built into that post and assume arguendo you're right. Does that fact - that Niall got it wrong - make you an epidemiological expert?

[Will Hunting]

What exactly is the legal argument that face mask requirements are illegal? I don’t see how requiring a face mask is unconstitutional when there’s already laws requiring a certain amount of clothing when you’re in public.

[vy65]

Devil's law dude, totally different set of statutes

[Blake]

It's odd how quick some are to dismiss the idea that the protests had anything to do with it.


It doesn't seem to spread much outdoors. Did you see the post by vy65? Less than one percent of protesters tested positive.

[Will Hunting]

Devil's law dude, totally different set of statutes
Really surprised she didn’t bring up George Soros in that video. She brought up the Clintons, deep state, Bill Gates, etc. not sure how someone could cycle through their repertoire of conservative conspiracy theories and forget Soros.

[DarrinS]

We'll put aside the boatload of questions/assumptions built into that post and assume arguendo you're right. Does that fact - that Niall got it wrong - make you an epidemiological expert?


No, but almost any random number pulled out my ass would've been closer than that expert's prediction.

[DarrinS]

Bars are a definite concern, as are gyms. Car dealerships? Not so much.

[Blake]

1275905785927741446

and

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/06/24/mask-mandate-florida-anger-erupts-coronavirus-vpx.cnn

:lmao great yacht's sister

[Spurtacular]

1275905785927741446


Righteous rant. Chumpettes don't like it.

TheGreatYacht

[DarrinS]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/us/corona-virus-latinos.html

[vy65]

No

Since you're not an expert, you're not qualified to speak on the subject. So don't speak on it.

[vy65]

Bars are a definite concern, as are gyms. Car dealerships? Not so much.

And your basis for saying that is?

[tholdren]

In data incompetent states that are exploding, in 2 weeks there has been a 235 percent Rise in cases fatalities shrunk to 5.

Ifr of covid .2 of flu at this rate in these states
Oh no ChumpDumper. Its less than flu. This is where fraudulent data rears its ugly head.

[ChumpDumper]

[lie]th:lolldren

[weebo]

I mean honestly, can someone explain to me what the fucking positive endgame was for Abbott by preventing cities from enacting mask ordinances from the get go?

He didn't want a mean tweet from Trump and/or anger conservative Texans?

[DarrinS]

Since you're not an expert, you're not qualified to speak on the subject. So don't speak on it.

First amendment thingy

[tholdren]

th:lolldren

nope. Just the results of data manipulation.

Covid cannot be as contagious as they are counting without the ifr plummeting. Just like i said. Less than flu at this point

[ChumpDumper]

nope. Just the results of data manipulation.

Covid cannot be as contagious as they are counting without the ifr plummeting. Just like i said. Less than flu at this pointth:lolldren just gossiping now.

[DarrinS]

I mean honestly, can someone explain to me what the fucking positive endgame was for Abbott by preventing cities from enacting mask ordinances from the get go?

Dr. Fauci told us not to wear masks, not all that long ago.

[vy65]

First amendment thingy

This is my point. Exactly my point. An amendment that bars the federal government from restricting certain forms of speech does not qualify you to speak on technical issues of epidemiology. That you'd conflate one with the other is really fucking ignorant.

Maybe you can explain why the First Amendment qualifies you as an epidemiologist?

[ChumpDumper]

Dr. Fauci told us not to wear masks, not all that long ago.Cocktail hour Darrin checks in.

[vy65]

First amendment thingy

You've testified as an expert at trial before, right? What can you tell us about the Daubert case? You can keep it really general.

[weebo]

Dr. Fauci told us not to wear masks, not all that long ago.

He clarified what he meant and I agree. He didn't want the public bum rushing medical supply stores and buying up all the PPE that is much needed by healthcare workers. He did recommend wearing some kind of scarf or face covering.

[hater]

Dr. Fauci told us not to wear masks, not all that long ago.

Yup

He admitted he lied to american people to save the ppe for his medical teams.

Fauci lied.

[hater]

He clarified what he meant and I agree. He didn't want the public bum rushing medical supply stores and buying up all the PPE that is much needed by healthcare workers. He did recommend wearing some kind of scarf or face covering.

He lied.

Why do american ppl need to be lied to? And if so, why should they ever believe their government?

[weebo]

He lied.

Why do american ppl need to be lied to? And if so, why should they ever believe their government?

Well he does work for Trump.

[vy65]

Yup

He admitted he lied to american people to save the ppe for his medical teams.

Fauci lied.

Do you know, verbatim, what Fauci said?