2025 NBA Draft

[onechance87]

Yeessss!

Top questions for me from the perspective of the 8th pick:

- is Kon really 6’7?
- is Ace really 6’10? (Def will drop if not)
- Are Khaman’s hands truly bad?
- Will Bryant’s measurements exceed expectations?

If kon really is 6’7....He will be picked in top 6 for sure

[SpursBills]

What HC mean for HC RIM efficiency?

Also, not sure I'd want to go with Carter Bryant at 8 (hopefully the Spurs get in the top 4, though, and don't have to worry about this). I'd agree with HankC and only take him at 14 if he's still there (most likely won't be, though). Not really sure who I'd want at 8. I would like someone that can at least shoot a little bit, but would prefer someone that can put pressure getting to the rim and score inside (as long as they're not a poor shooter, just need them to at least be an average 3 point shooter).

HC stands for half court in this case - excludes fast break possessions

Like everything else, I think this is just one piece of data and can't be taken as the end-all be-all for anybody. The only guy it really indicts is Boogie, who can neither get to the rim nor finish efficiently even against college defenses.

As far as some personal notes on prospects with this data:
- this is probably the biggest concern, aside from his handle, that I have about VJ. He dunks a ton, but when he's not dunking it he's really not finishing around the basket that well, suggesting that there might be an issue with his touch. He's not necessarily taking horrible shots as his team's primary offensive option like Fears or Tre either. I comp him a lot to Oladipo, but his wingspan and build make him an underdog to being as good a defender as Oladipo. Meanwhile, if he's got touch issues finishing around the rim, and doesn't have the handle to go east-west and is mainly a north-south athlete, his offensive options are sort of limited.

- are shot tendencies ingrained in someone, or can they change with coaching? Tre and Ace - yikes. Are their rim frequencies that low because they lack the requisite athleticism/handle/physicality to get to the rim at the next level, or are they that godlike as midrange guys? Combine their rim frequency with their low free throw rate and you have a good picture of the types of shot tendencies they prefer. You worry that if they're guarded tightly at the 3 point line at the next level, they're just going to settle for moderately contested midrange jumpers all day long.

- think I touched on this earlier, but a 5 star prospect like McNeeley who's the size that he is should really be finishing at a better clip around the rim than what he's shown this season.

- holy fuck Dylan Harper. A lot of people comp him to Harden, but I think he's actually closer to Fox than someone like Fears, who has better odds to shoot but worse physical outlier traits. Harper's got his build, Fox has his speed, but both are guys who live at the rim but with major concerns about their shot. Fears doesn't have the outlier physical characteristics, but has a much better chance to shoot at all 3 levels, something like a Collin Sexton+

[exstatic]

It's almost mathematically impossible, but just for the fun of it, would you be happy or pissed if the Lottery turned out like this:
1. Hawks via Sac
2. Spurs
3. Spurs via Hawks
Unhappy. I want no improvement for Atlanta so that their next two seasons suck ass.

[exstatic]

Dude, sign me up for that!

You want Atlanta to win the lottery and get Flagg, screwing over our next two picks…

[exstatic]

The Sac pick is top 12 protected, so ATL loses out in this case

That’s right, I forgot about that.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

https://i.postimg.cc/bNQf2Zbs/Halfcourt-rim-frequencies-guards.png

Credit: @mcfdraft on twitter

Thanks for this.

Two things stand out for me. VJ cannot utilise his athleticism in the halfcourt, confirming what the eye test says. It’ll be interesting to see what his measurements are. If he’s like 6’2 barefoot and his athletic drills aren’t amazing he might drop.

Will Riley’s numbers are a pleasant surprise. I’m very high on him, relative to others.

[LeBowen]

You want Atlanta to win the lottery and get Flagg, screwing over our next two picks…

I know you're the resident contrarian, but even you don't believe in what you just wrote.
Getting #2 and #3 picks is the absolute best case scenario you could hope for with '26 swap and '27 ATL pick.
As I said before the season even started, any team that has no incentive to tank gets +10W in their column right away.
With so many teams being bad and some more being on the verge of blowing it up, getting 8th-10th best odds is the best we can hope for from those Hawks picks.
Especially since it finally looks like they figured it out and got a solid roster around Trae.

One guaranteed top4 pick is worth more than our three ATL picks combined.
We wouldn't be able to get Bailey with those three picks.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

Unhappy. I want no improvement for Atlanta so that their next two seasons suck ass.

You're kidding? Or you're too greedy?

[exstatic]

I know you're the resident contrarian, but even you don't believe in what you just wrote.
Getting #2 and #3 picks is the absolute best case scenario you could hope for with '26 swap and '27 ATL pick.
As I said before the season even started, any team that has no incentive to tank gets +10W in their column right away.
With so many teams being bad and some more being on the verge of blowing it up, getting 8th-10th best odds is the best we can hope for from those Hawks picks.
Especially since it finally looks like they figured it out and got a solid roster around Trae.

One guaranteed top4 pick is worth more than our three ATL picks combined.
We wouldn't be able to get Bailey with those three picks.

Hey,if we’re dreaming of 2 top four picks, finish the job, and have our picks 1 and 2.

[Mr. Body]

HC stands for half court in this case - excludes fast break possessions

Like everything else, I think this is just one piece of data and can't be taken as the end-all be-all for anybody. The only guy it really indicts is Boogie, who can neither get to the rim nor finish efficiently even against college defenses.

As far as some personal notes on prospects with this data:
- this is probably the biggest concern, aside from his handle, that I have about VJ. He dunks a ton, but when he's not dunking it he's really not finishing around the basket that well, suggesting that there might be an issue with his touch. He's not necessarily taking horrible shots as his team's primary offensive option like Fears or Tre either. I comp him a lot to Oladipo, but his wingspan and build make him an underdog to being as good a defender as Oladipo. Meanwhile, if he's got touch issues finishing around the rim, and doesn't have the handle to go east-west and is mainly a north-south athlete, his offensive options are sort of limited.

- are shot tendencies ingrained in someone, or can they change with coaching? Tre and Ace - yikes. Are their rim frequencies that low because they lack the requisite athleticism/handle/physicality to get to the rim at the next level, or are they that godlike as midrange guys? Combine their rim frequency with their low free throw rate and you have a good picture of the types of shot tendencies they prefer. You worry that if they're guarded tightly at the 3 point line at the next level, they're just going to settle for moderately contested midrange jumpers all day long.

- think I touched on this earlier, but a 5 star prospect like McNeeley who's the size that he is should really be finishing at a better clip around the rim than what he's shown this season.

- holy fuck Dylan Harper. A lot of people comp him to Harden, but I think he's actually closer to Fox than someone like Fears, who has better odds to shoot but worse physical outlier traits. Harper's got his build, Fox has his speed, but both are guys who live at the rim but with major concerns about their shot. Fears doesn't have the outlier physical characteristics, but has a much better chance to shoot at all 3 levels, something like a Collin Sexton+

I agree about Edgecombe's slight frame and difficulty finishing. He's still fairly unformed to me, so the hope is his character and work habits allow him to fill out on both ends of the court. I've heard he's a good kid, but for now it's not clear what he'll become.

Harper, as you suggest, is heavy on paint touches. That's great, but three of our ostensible starting five need that area. He kind of duplicates what Castle and Fox do, also his usage and type of usage isn't a great fit.

While I do think Bailey's shot selection and feel were pretty questionable, I think you're harsh comparing Tre Johnson to him. Johnson was having to carry a very poorly coached and executing Texas team. A recent scouting vid pointed out how many of his passes, which could be very good, ended up in missed shots. For his shot selection, I don't think he's a natural iso scorer (yet) but was put on an island having to get shots all the time for this bad team. He can probably improve this, or, hell, actually have screens set for him. And he's really good off-ball.

[exstatic]

You're kidding? Or you're too greedy?

I am greedy.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

Hey,if we’re dreaming of 2 top four picks, finish the job, and have our picks 1 and 2.

Got you! Yes. Since we're dreaming and kidding, why not dreaming bigger? :)

[exstatic]

I would actually concede pick #2, as long as we get #1.

[LeBowen]

Obviously getting another superstar prospect would be amazing, but I'd be exstatic if we land another Castle-level player over the next few drafts, that's all we need.

[Ditty]

I hope Washington wins the lottery if the Spurs don't.

I like what they are building out there and need that conference to be more competitive.

Annoying scenarios would be Rockets, Kings, or Mavs jumping in the top four or Sixers dropping two spots and having to give that pick to OKC for more ammo to get Giannis.

[scott]

Half this board will be asking to fire Mitch Johnson when Carter Bryant starts in the g league, get limited minutes when he does get called up and finishes averaging 4 ppg on 10 mpg lol. I’m not saying he won’t be good but he is more of a project than most see him on here. Can the Spurs still develop players at a high level like that?

This guy would not be in the Spurs rotation this year except for spot minutes. He could pay off 2-3 years down the line but isn’t it about time the Spurs start making the playoffs. I mean they could in theory still make it even with a project on their Bench. I guess. If you think they can overcome being dominated on the boards every game next season

Unless we jump into the Top 4, I think we should all start expecting our pick(s) this year to get the traditional Spurs rookie treatment (meaning, pre-Sochan) of limited PT and lots of time in Austin

[Dejounte]

Unless we jump into the Top 4, I think we should all start expecting our pick(s) this year to get the traditional Spurs rookie treatment (meaning, pre-Sochan) of limited PT and lots of time in Austin
Most of the picks pre-sochan were 11th pick or later
I think they’re less risk-averse the lower the picks are.

risk meaning players who clearly were still learning to play team basketball, or weren’t part of winning programs.

i think the (few) players they’ve taken in the top 10 have always been players who were ready to play now, which is why I’ve always predicted the Spurs to pick one of the guys who were counted on more during their year in college and why i think a raw guy like Carter Bryant is very unlikely with the 8th pick

i think they view being selected that high as an “honor” and being picked that high “bears responsibility”. That’s why I think they’ll be more cautious and do their due diligence with this pick (obviously) and make sure they have the makings of a Spur vs someone who will dump it down the toilet.

just all my opinion, of course

[Degoat]

Don’t see all the love for Kon Knueppel, seems like a Doug McDermott type. Don’t want to use a lottery pick on that

[CGD]

You want Atlanta to win the lottery and get Flagg, screwing over our next two picks…

Yeah, 2 and 3 would have so much value not only as picks but in trades.

[CGD]

Don’t see all the love for Kon Knueppel, seems like a Doug McDermott type. Don’t want to use a lottery pick on that

Nah, it’s not a fair comp. This guy brings more playmaking and “give a shit” on D. Not just shooting. Interestingly, the most common comp I see is Cam Johnson, who many posters here are creaming their panties for.

But it’ll all be about the measurements. If he’s like 6’4.5 w/o shoes and T-Rex wingspan, I think he slips.

[Russ]

Don’t see all the love for Kon Knueppel, seems like a Doug McDermott type. Don’t want to use a lottery pick on that

McDermott won the all the major college player of the year awards -- Wooden, Naismith, etc. (admittedly as a senior).

Knueppel wasn't even the best player on his team.

[Vienna]

McDermott won the all the major college player of the year awards -- Wooden, Naismith, etc. (admittedly as a senior).

Knueppel wasn't even the best player on his team.

I didn‘t see a JJ Redick comparison yet, but wasn‘t he to one you would compare Knueppel? And it’s not just the white guy and Duke thing. Looking at the first two college seasons from Redick, you see a similar player. Redick turned into a college legend as an upperclassman, not before.
Kon is taller, but maybe not that much. (Redick measured 6‘4‘‘ without shoes).
and a Redick type career might be a likely outcome for Kon. nothing wrong about that.

[keithington1]

2 of Essengue Queen Maluach Clifford and I’m good at pick 8 and 14. I can envision these players making a huge impact on this roster.

[Russ]

I didn‘t see a JJ Redick comparison yet, but wasn‘t he to one you would compare Knueppel? And it’s not just the white guy and Duke thing. Looking at the first two college seasons from Redick, you see a similar player. Redick turned into a college legend as an upperclassman, not before.
Kon is taller, but maybe not that much. (Redick measured 6‘4‘‘ without shoes).
and a Redick type career might be a likely outcome for Kon. nothing wrong about that.

Yeah, Knueppel could work out and maybe even be a steal.

But I'm just skeptical of the way he wants to play given his athleticism and size. The NBA may be a bigger wall for him than for some others.

I'd be surprised if he measures in at 6'7".

[scott]

Most of the picks pre-sochan were 11th pick or later
I think they’re less risk-averse the lower the picks are.

risk meaning players who clearly were still learning to play team basketball, or weren’t part of winning programs.

i think the (few) players they’ve taken in the top 10 have always been players who were ready to play now, which is why I’ve always predicted the Spurs to pick one of the guys who were counted on more during their year in college and why i think a raw guy like Carter Bryant is very unlikely with the 8th pick

i think they view being selected that high as an “honor” and being picked that high “bears responsibility”. That’s why I think they’ll be more cautious and do their due diligence with this pick (obviously) and make sure they have the makings of a Spur vs someone who will dump it down the toilet.

just all my opinion, of course

Yes, they were all taken Top 10 and maybe there were higher expectations of a player coming in (that certainly can be said of Wemby and Castle), but they were all drafted with no players standing in their way of meaningful playing time, considering we were tanking or coming off a tanking season. Unless we jump into the Top 4, I don't see any of the players available in our range being considering instant starters (heck, Castle wasn't even an instant starter as the #4 pick) and some of them (like Kon) might even struggle to get early playing time at all because the staff will have their existing, established favorites at those positions.

Whether or not this is the right or wrong thing for them to do, is another question, but that's what I foresee happening.

Of course, this is all based on my guess at what will happen this offseason where we largely bring back the same team (in regards to meaningful rotation players) minus CP3 plus our picks, maybe one relatively minor vet addition. I think the FO and coaching staff is going to view whomever we draft as incremental additions to work in as they prove worthy, rather than guys the rest of the roster needs to be adjusted around (so, drafting Kon won't make them look to trade Devin or Keldon to open a pathway to minutes for Kon, as an example).

Also, of course, just my opinion... but that's the direction I think the staff will take.

[scottspurs]

Isaiah Evans one of the best shooters in the draft has withdrawn his name from the 2025 draft and will not attend the combine. He will be going back to Duke.

[baseline bum]

You think CIA Pop hasn't rigged one last lottery for us? I'd enjoy getting the top4 pick just because of the league wide meltdown it would cause. :lol

If you're going for a meltdown rig the Spurs pick to be #2 and then the Spurs pick from Atlanta #1; go all out.

[LeBowen]

If you're going for a meltdown rig the Spurs pick to be #2 and then the Spurs pick from Atlanta #1; go all out.

See, that's why he's CIA Pop. Can't make it too obvious.

[Ice009]

Is the 8th pick the highest pick the Spurs can get without jumping into the top 4? How does that work?

[CGD]

Is the 8th pick the highest pick the Spurs can get without jumping into the top 4? How does that work?

Yes, according this helpful tool below. Also over 38% odds it falls to 9 or 10.

https://www.tankathon.com/pick_odds

Same with 14 btw— so if that pick goes to someone else right off the bat we’re in for a super fun lotto.

[Mr. Body]

The league should prove the lottery isn't rigged by ensuring the Spurs get the #1 pick.

[Ice009]

Yes, according this helpful tool below. Also over 38% odds it falls to 9 or 10.

https://www.tankathon.com/pick_odds

Same with 14 btw— so if that pick goes to someone else right off the bat we’re in for a super fun lotto.

Thanks. That's exactly what I wanted to know - If/when I should get excited.

[Russ]

Thanks. That's exactly what I wanted to know - If/when I should get excited.

Like if the announcer says, "Atlanta gets the 14th pick. That means the Spurs have moved up."

[scottspurs]

Whispers are that Cedric Coward is the winner of day 1 at the combine. They play a lot of 3 on 3 the 1st two days. I would honestly be pumped if he rose up to pick 14 status. One of my favorite players in this draft.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/spurs/status/1921701860517232710

[baseline bum]

Like if the announcer says, "Atlanta gets the 14th pick. That means the Spurs have moved up."

Did a roll at Tankathon and got this and all I could think is how pissed Atlanta would be if it went down like that.

https://i.ibb.co/VnHbzbd/tank.jpg

[exstatic]

Like if the announcer says, "Atlanta gets the 14th pick. That means the Spurs have moved up."

No. Like if the announcer says Sacramento gets the 14th pick, our ATL pick has jumped into the top 4, and then we have to look for our natural pick at #9 to see if it jumped up, also.

[CGD]

Did a roll at Tankathon and got this and all I could think is how pissed Atlanta would be if it went down like that.

https://i.ibb.co/VnHbzbd/tank.jpg

This would also mean Daryl Morey would get fired.

[Ice009]

This site is already running slow as crap. Hopefully it's not worse come lottery night :(.

[CGD]

No. Like if the announcer says Sacramento gets the 14th pick, our ATL pick has jumped into the top 4, and then we have to look for our natural pick at #9 to see if it jumped up, also.

Yup.

I also wonder if for our natural pick if it would be best for no one in the range 9-13 to jump into the Top 4. I assume that would displace a lot of teams higher up with a downstream effect on 8. So basically we want it boring until we get to 8 (unless there is magic with 14).

[CGD]

This site is already running slow as crap. Hopefully it's not worse come lottery night :(.

Bank of it being completely terrible then. Might have to hold your nose and go to Reddit for a few.

[baseline bum]

No. Like if the announcer says Sacramento gets the 14th pick, our ATL pick has jumped into the top 4, and then we have to look for our natural pick at #9 to see if it jumped up, also.

If anyone but the Spurs is called for pick #14 it means the Spurs' ATL pick moved up to top 4. For instance in my tankathon roll both the ATL->SA pick and the SAC pick got into the top 4 so Chicago was pick #14.

[baseline bum]

This site is already running slow as crap. Hopefully it's not worse come lottery night :(.

I was gonna say hopefully it is running slow as fuck because we're all coming to celebrate winning pick #1, but I know it'll be running slowly with us all bitching if the Spurs end up with #10 and #14 too so figure the site creeping tomorrow night is an inevitability no matter what results you condition on. :lol

[Ice009]

I was gonna say hopefully it is running slow as fuck because we're all coming to celebrate winning pick #1, but I know it'll be running slowly with us all bitching if the Spurs end up with #10 and #14 too so figure the site creeping tomorrow night is an inevitability no matter what results you condition on. :lol

I hope it's the first one and not the latter ;).

[exstatic]

If anyone but the Spurs is called for pick #14 it means the Spurs' ATL pick moved up to top 4. For instance in my tankathon roll both the ATL->SA pick and the SAC pick got into the top 4 so Chicago was pick #14.

Yeah, that’s a possibility, and actually good for us, depriving ATL of a late lottery pick and likely making their remaining picks from the Dejounte trade a bit better,but I considered the odds too long to even discuss.

[PhantomDashCam]

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Has definite Spurs vibes...

[mudyez]

Wishlist for today:

1) Spurs jumping in the top4
2) Houston not jumping
3) OKC not getting the 76ers Pick
4) Flagg going east

..if the unlikely 1) happens I can live with the other three not hitting

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

My Flagg wishlist:

1. Spurs
2. Nets - for our friend Sean Marks, besides they still owe Houston a pickswap in a couple of years
3/4/5. Wizards/ Hornets/ Bulls - east better than west
6. Raptors - just hate them
7/8/9/10. Blazers/ Jazz/ Kings/ Pelicans - harmless hopefully
11. Sixers - fuckers don’t deserve it
- - - zombie apocalypse - - -
12/13. Rockets/ Mavs

[Dejounte]

I keep rolling 9 and 14

[Dejounte]

Keep going back and forth on what prospect I want more…

do I want a potential star in Jase who doesn’t quite fit the Spurs’ vision of versatility at all five positions? He is a great talent boost but is it worth it?

do I want a Derrick White level contributor in Kon who you could plug in 1-2-3 and not skip a beat? Kon taking over while Cooper was out was a nice showing. He is also 99th percentile in miscellaneous actions, meaning he was among the best in getting loose balls, etc. He is basically tailor made for playoff basketball.

do I want a huge risk, huge reward prospect in Queen? So many red flags but the payoff could be big if he has his head on straight and is a willing listener on defense and touches. The insane level of chemistry he and Wemby could have on offense would be epic.

do I want the safest bet in VJ Edgecombe? Not much more need to be said about him. He’s the pick where you’ll hear the least complaints about.

These are basically my four guys I’d want if the Spurs don’t jump to #1 or #2 (of which I’d want Cooper and then Harper). At 3 and 4 or if we stay at 8 or move down 1-2 at 9, 10… these are the best picks, IMO.

[LeBowen]

My preferences if Spurs don't move up.

1) Jazz: Never had a #1 pick, never lost 60+ games before this season.
2) Nets: Jersey kid seems like a perfect fit.
3) Wizards: Maybe Ace can make up for KD never returning home.
4) Hornets: Edgecombe seems like a perfect fit next to Lamelo.
5) Pelicans: I don't want them getting another top pick after all the talent they wasted.
6) Sixers: Fuck them, but I don't want them dropping outside of top6 protection and Thunder getting the pick.
7) Raptors: Whatever.

[mo7888]

Keep going back and forth on what prospect I want more…

do I want a potential star in Jase who doesn’t quite fit the Spurs’ vision of versatility at all five positions? He is a great talent boost but is it worth it?

do I want a Derrick White level contributor in Kon who you could plug in 1-2-3 and not skip a beat? Kon taking over while Cooper was out was a nice showing. He is also 99th percentile in miscellaneous actions, meaning he was among the best in getting loose balls, etc. He is basically tailor made for playoff basketball.

do I want a huge risk, huge reward prospect in Queen? So many red flags but the payoff could be big if he has his head on straight and is a willing listener on defense and touches. The insane level of chemistry he and Wemby could have on offense would be epic.

do I want the safest bet in VJ Edgecombe? Not much more need to be said about him. He’s the pick where you’ll hear the least complaints about.

These are basically my four guys I’d want if the Spurs don’t jump to #1 or #2 (of which I’d want Cooper and then Harper). At 3 and 4 or if we stay at 8 or move down 1-2 at 9, 10… these are the best picks, IMO.

I doubt VJ would still be there at 8. I'd take Kon from that list you provided, but he might very well be gone too.

[CGD]

I doubt VJ would still be there at 8. I'd take Kon from that list you provided, but he might very well be gone too.

Agree, there appears to be growing consensus around the first 5. VJ and Tre Johnson seem firmly in there now.

The next 5 still seems fluid

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Nah, it’s not a fair comp. This guy brings more playmaking and “give a shit” on D. Not just shooting. Interestingly, the most common comp I see is Cam Johnson, who many posters here are creaming their panties for.

But it’ll all be about the measurements. If he’s like 6’4.5 w/o shoes and T-Rex wingspan, I think he slips.

Kon most definitely doesn't give a shit on D, lol. He's another Knecht. No thanks.

[mo7888]

Kon most definitely doesn't give a shit on D, lol. He's another Knecht. No thanks.

So....you didn't watch his games at Duke?

[Dejounte]

I doubt VJ would still be there at 8. I'd take Kon from that list you provided, but he might very well be gone too.

These are my top four if the Spurs jump to 3 or 4 or stay at 8 or move down to 9 or 10.

[Vienna]

I doubt VJ would still be there at 8. I'd take Kon from that list you provided, but he might very well be gone too.

I thought Christian Braun played some good defense yesterday against SGA. and I thought, that he, in that role, gives an idea, what Kon might become in the NBA.

they should be similar in height and built, maybe Braun is a bit more atheltic, but not by much.

do I think such a player should be picked at #8? no, at that spot I would like to see more upside and therefore at #14 a player like Kon or McNeeley. (Kon won't be there, I know).

but if they did pick Kon at 8, because they don't see that high upside player, so be it. solid high floor pick.

[Mr. Body]

I don't want Utah or Charlotte to get Flagg. Screw Utah, and a great prospect getting wasted out there would be bad. If it's Charlotte I legit think he may go back to Duke. Awful franchise with terrible personalities and the horrible 'franchise' player.

Other than that, just don't want our mainline rivals to get too much better.

[fafo]

https://i.ibb.co/DHB32XYH/IMG-2899.jpg

I'm ready

[lefty]

Draft Cooper Flagg abd trade him for Giannis :D

[SpurSpike]

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[Knoxxx]

At least the wait is over soon to know what we are working with draft pick wise.

[exstatic]

My preferences if Spurs don't move up.

1) Jazz: Never had a #1 pick, never lost 60+ games before this season.
2) Nets: Jersey kid seems like a perfect fit.
3) Wizards: Maybe Ace can make up for KD never returning home.
4) Hornets: Edgecombe seems like a perfect fit next to Lamelo.
5) Pelicans: I don't want them getting another top pick after all the talent they wasted.
6) Sixers: Fuck them, but I don't want them dropping outside of top6 protection and Thunder getting the pick.
7) Raptors: Whatever.

F Ainge and F the Jazz. Being a long term Spurs fan, I wish nothing good and everything bad on that franchise.

Other than that,your list is OK.

[exstatic]

At least the wait is over soon to know what we are working with draft pick wise.

The worst outcome would be 10/14. It’s possible for 8 to get knocked back to 11, but that would mean that the ATL #14 pick we owned, along with #12 and #13 all jumped up to the top 4.

[LeBowen]

F Ainge and F the Jazz. Being a long term Spurs fan, I wish nothing good and everything bad on that franchise.

Other than that,your list is OK.

They've been irrelevant for 25 years, let it go. :lol
I don't want another superstar talent to get wasted in Washington, Charlotte or New Orleans, tbh.

[Mr. Body]

9 and 14 is only slightly less likely than 8 and 14. By far one of those two will happen.

[benefactor]

Kon is arguably the most complete player in this draft from a basketball standpoint. He is just limited by his lack of physical gifts. That's why he's a high end role player and not a runaway number one pick.

That basketball iq is the biggest reason I want him in San Antonio. I am so fucking tired of dumb players on this roster. I am much more willing at this point to roll the dice on a lunch pail guy with an otherworldly basketball iq that is athletically limited over an "oh wow look at him go!" that winds up being another in a long line of guys that had so called potential

[exstatic]

They've been irrelevant for 25 years, let it go. :lol
I don't want another superstar talent to get wasted in Washington, Charlotte or New Orleans, tbh.

I don’t want Flagg in the west unless it’s us. If you were a Spurs fan back then, Utah hatred will never be irrelevant. I also don’t want to see Ainge rewarded.

[couchman]

I wonder if Wright is capable of choosing Kon

[stnick2261]

Kon is arguably the most complete player in this draft from a basketball standpoint. He is just limited by his lack of physical gifts. That's why he's a high end role player and not a runaway number one pick.

That basketball iq is the biggest reason I want him in San Antonio. I am so fucking tired of dumb players on this roster. I am much more willing at this point to roll the dice on a lunch pail guy with an otherworldly basketball iq that is athletically limited over an "oh wow look at him go!" that winds up being another in a long line of guys that had so called potential

Absolutely! We have the star power on the team already. I'm happy to spend a top 8 pick on someone with a high floor and sticks to his role and can carve out a nice 20 year career because he's smart and doesn't rely solely on athleticism.

[LeBowen]

I don’t want Flagg in the west unless it’s us. If you were a Spurs fan back then, Utah hatred will never be irrelevant. I also don’t want to see Ainge rewarded.

The West will be stacked regardless.
I'd rather have Utah as the main competitor than Californian teams. Or OKC. Or the Rockets.

I also don't get the hate for Ainge, he's just looking at his team's best interests. Better than getting bent over like most small market GMs.
If Utah had someone incompetent in charge, Kessler would've probably been traded to the Lakers at the deadline.

[Mr. Body]

I wonder if Wright is capable of choosing Kon

Why wouldn't he be

[Mr. Body]

The West will be stacked regardless.
I'd rather have Utah as the main competitor than Californian teams. Or OKC. Or the Rockets.

I also don't get the hate for Ainge, he's just looking at his team's best interests. Better than getting bent over like most small market GMs.
If Utah had someone incompetent in charge, Kessler would've probably been traded to the Lakers at the deadline.

Because Ainge is a pompous dumbass who is killing his team by trying to bend everyone over a barrel

[couchman]

Why wouldn't he be

Unathletic guys w bad measurements are not his deal.
He tends to really favor positional length.
On the plus side Kon is an all around player and Wright loves that

[Mr. Body]

Unathletic guys w bad measurements are not his deal.
He tends to really favor positional length.
On the plus side Kon is an all around player and Wright loves that

True. I think they value basketball IQ as much as anything, with extra length a bonus.

[Rosewood]

Gonna be sad when we inevitably get 14 and 10. Hope there are some good prospects in that range still, I don’t know shit beyond the top 5 (Flagg, Ace, Harper, Edgecombe, Traore)

[Degoat]

Landing 2 would be really sweet tbh, a Fox/Harper or Harper/Castle future is pretty sick

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

So....you didn't watch his games at Duke?

Several. He was happy to coast on defense for long stretches. He's no Castle at that end.

[CGD]

Gonna be sad when we inevitably get 14 and 10. Hope there are some good prospects in that range still, I don’t know shit beyond the top 5 (Flagg, Ace, Harper, Edgecombe, Traore)

Your looking at some old mocks, Traore fell off hard. Honestly after the current “consensus 5” plus Kon, it’s kinda a crap shoot up through about 15. So not sure how much we’d lose out on a 10/14 scenario.

[exstatic]

Gonna be sad when we inevitably get 14 and 10. Hope there are some good prospects in that range still, I don’t know shit beyond the top 5 (Flagg, Ace, Harper, Edgecombe, Traore)

10 is pretty unlikely. Not much different than #1, or any top 4 individual slot. Collectively, there is roughly 4X the chance of a top 4 pick than sliding to #10.

[Mr. Body]

Gonna be sad when we inevitably get 14 and 10. Hope there are some good prospects in that range still, I don’t know shit beyond the top 5 (Flagg, Ace, Harper, Edgecombe, Traore)

As mentioned, Traore ain't close to a top 5 pick. Maybe not even lottery.

I'm not convinced Bailey or Edgecombe are top 5. Probably, but one could drop.

Even if the Spurs get 10 and 14 they can still try to move up, which can be the best move regardless.

[baseline bum]

Gonna be sad when we inevitably get 14 and 10. Hope there are some good prospects in that range still, I don’t know shit beyond the top 5 (Flagg, Ace, Harper, Edgecombe, Traore)

Traore will very very likely still be there at 14, he's having a terrible season. He'll probably go late teens.

[baseline bum]

As mentioned, Traore ain't close to a top 5 pick. Maybe not even lottery.

I'm not convinced Bailey or Edgecombe are top 5. Probably, but one could drop.

Even if the Spurs get 10 and 14 they can still try to move up, which can be the best move regardless.

Don't think I'd bother trying to move up even if it's 10 and 14 with how flat this draft gets after #4.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Btw speaking about Traore, he’s been really good in the last couple of months. Watched a game of his lately and he’s been amazing, his shot is falling, he can get anywhere he wants and his passing is crisp. Still a bit too turnover prone and can be overwhelmed with physicality but he’s playing against grown men.

Anyway, my point is that his early season struggles are long gone.

[scottspurs]

I echo that! I’ve been watching Traore’s last couple of games. He is playing awesome. I like him more than Fears and Demin

[Mr. Body]

Don't think I'd bother trying to move up even if it's 10 and 14 with how flat this draft gets after #4.

Largely depends. Sight unseen, no. But if you're looking at only like an Asa Newell and are seeing your guys go, I'd try to jump up. Get a contingency in place at least.

[Mr. Body]

Traore is another guard who just doesn't work with this current Spurs team. Can't take a small guard with a nice pick when you are devoting so much to De'Aaron Fox. It doesn't work.

[exstatic]

Traore is another guard who just doesn't work with this current Spurs team. Can't take a small guard with a nice pick when you are devoting so much to De'Aaron Fox. It doesn't work.
For the Nth time, De’Aaron Fox isn’t going to be here forever. You also really can’t have too many guards in today’s NBA. Traore would likely be on the slow track in Austin if picked at 14, and that would be an OK spot to pick a backup guard.

[Mr. Body]

For the Nth time, De’Aaron Fox isn’t going to be here forever. You also really can’t have too many guards in today’s NBA. Traore would likely be on the slow track in Austin if picked at 14, and that would be an OK spot to pick a backup guard.

For the billionth time, nope. No sense in getting a tiny guard who is going to be permanently coming off the bench for five years and, if DAF plays 30-35 mins a game, Traore or Fears only gets 13-18 mins a game.

It just doesn't work. Eventually you'll figure it out.

[dn0774]

I know French basketball is quite expansive these days, but do Wemby and Traore have any association with each other beyond casual acquaintances? Like we know Wemby and Coulibaly are boys etc, just wondering if there is any other factors that could influence the Spurs come draft day.

[exstatic]

For the billionth time, nope. No sense in getting a tiny guard who is going to be permanently coming off the bench for five years and, if DAF plays 30-35 mins a game, Traore or Fears only gets 13-18 mins a game.

It just doesn't work. Eventually you'll figure it out.

It’s pick 14. Your complaints might (or might still not) have merit at 8, but anything goes after the top 10.

[thOOdee]

I know French basketball is quite expansive these days, but do Wemby and Traore have any association with each other beyond casual acquaintances? Like we know Wemby and Coulibaly are boys etc, just wondering if there is any other factors that could influence the Spurs come draft day.

If we’re doing french connections, fuck traore and get essengue. Wemby and essengue will be joined at the nba/fiba/olympic hip for the next 10 years.

[mo7888]

Several. He was happy to coast on defense for long stretches. He's no Castle at that end.

He's not Castle on D, but he's not Knecht either...

[Mr. Body]

It’s pick 14. Your complaints might (or might still not) have merit at 8, but anything goes after the top 10.

Still no. But people are talking Fears at 8, too. A small guard at 14 is also a waste. You're not picking in the lottery to stick a guy in G-League for five years. At the end of his first rookie deal he's gonna want to get out of here and actually play.

[baseline bum]

Largely depends. Sight unseen, no. But if you're looking at only like an Asa Newell and are seeing your guys go, I'd try to jump up. Get a contingency in place at least.

Can't say I'd be interested in trading up for guys like Maluach, Fears, or Queen and I doubt #9/10 + #14 get you up to #5 to draft Johnson, Knueppel, or Bailey. Maybe #8 + #14 could.

[thOOdee]

I'm all in on this guy, not sure why I don't see him hyped more here. guy played w men while most of these prospects played with children.

https://youtu.be/mgtGsqn3oLA?si=YsXuIoCAgdfIvKMR

mgtGsqn3oLA

[scottspurs]

Essengue is a solid all around player with no weaknesses but he also doesn’t have any strengths at this time. You can tell he played soccer growing up because he has nice footwork but has terrible hands. That’s the one advantage American prospects have is they play other sports growing up with their hands. Baseball, football and so on. Essengue tries to dribble with his finger tips and can’t catch very well but other than that good all around player.

[Arguendo]

Gonna be sad when we inevitably get 14 and 10. Hope there are some good prospects in that range still, I don’t know shit beyond the top 5 (Flagg, Ace, Harper, Edgecombe, Traore)
Everything I've seen has Traore falling way back, with Tre Johnson as the more/less consensus 5th.
I really want Kon or Johnson, but otherwise I won't lose sleep falling to 10. Brooklyn has 6 slot + 19, 26 and 27 + 36. If we end up with 10/14 I could definitely see us and Brooklyn making a consolidation trade like 14 for 19/26 and selling our 38th (and hopefully other seconds to an apron team hopefully for a pick/swap and not cash) or maybe using those picks to trade up with the 76ers if they don't get Flagg, the 10 + 14 only cost $1.5M more slot salary than the 5.

That could net us Bryant or Essengue + McNeely or Fleming + maybe Sorber or Wolf or whatever rebounding big is still there.
We only have 10 guys under contract with Barnes/Sochan/Bran/Wesley/Julian expiring with the last 4 having RFA rights or a team option.
Bringing in 3 cost-controlled rookies, trading at least 1/2 expiring's, and bringing in a MLE and low-cost vet experience seems likely.

[spurraider21]

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[Dejounte]

Harper is measured at 6’4.50 barefoot. Castle is taller than him by 1”.

[Dejounte]

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So on NBA profile sites he’ll be listed as 6’9”.

[spurraider21]

so much for 6'10. great wingspan and reach though

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[Dejounte]

VJ comes out as 6’4” barefoot. So 6’5” in the NBA.

[spurraider21]

not far from expectatons

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[Dejounte]

not far from expectatons

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This is about Lonnie size but Lonnie has 3” longer wingspan

[Arguendo]

For the Nth time, De’Aaron Fox isn’t going to be here forever. You also really can’t have too many guards in today’s NBA. Traore would likely be on the slow track in Austin if picked at 14, and that would be an OK spot to pick a backup guard.
Yeah and he's speed reliant and 28 in December. I'm super happy we got Fox for what we paid, but he's a borderline top 25 guy today, I think he can stay in the 25-30 range the next 2 years, but I don't expect him to be that after 30. Maybe, but I think sharp decline is as or more likely.
I wouldn't pass on any 19/20 y/o because of Fox, its not like he's a HOF caliber guy, 8 yrs 1xNBA3 1xAS. Nice secondary guy in his prime, potential salary cap albatross when speed goes.
Question should be if they can fit next to Wemby/Castle in 3 years, not Fox. Honestly, I'd love someone to make Fox redundant (hopefully Castle) in 2 years so we can trade him before the decline is apparent to everyone.

[exstatic]

Harper is measured at 6’4.50 barefoot. Castle is taller than him by 1”.

Castle was listed almost an inch taller (6’6.75/6’6.00”) , so that shouldn’t be a shock.

[spurraider21]

small but expected

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[Dejounte]

Tre Johnson is closer to Lonnie size than VJ, actually. 1” taller but same wingspan

[Arguendo]

Harper is measured at 6’4.50 barefoot. Castle is taller than him by 1”.
Were you finding the measurements? NBA.com doesn't have them yet, can't wait to see how Kon and Bryant and Flemming measure/test

Nevermind, tweets just loaded

[LeBowen]

so much for 6'10. great wingspan and reach though

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Could he fall outside top4?

[Dejounte]

Were you finding the measurements? NBA.com doesn't have them yet, can't wait to see how Kon and Bryant and Flemming measure/test

Givony’s twitter

[spurraider21]

longer wingspan than i anticipated for him

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[exstatic]

so much for 6'10. great wingspan and reach though

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Yeah, I can absolutely see him dropping now. As Rhodey said in Endgame “What’s up, regular sized man?” . I think a ton of his appeal was as a super tall wing, and Flagg is taller than him. I think teams will take a harder look at his warts now. He could drop to 5 or 6.

[exstatic]

Could he fall outside top4?

As I said in my prev post, maybe 5 or 6.

[CGD]

Any news on Bailey? That’s gonna be an important measurement

[mo7888]

Could he fall outside top4?

It's quite possible

[CGD]

Any news on Bailey? That’s gonna be an important measurement

Ignore, posts crossed

[scottspurs]

Kon Knueppel 6’5 barefoot, 219 lbs, 6’6 1/4 wingspan, 8’5 1/2 standing reach per Givony

[Arguendo]

Kon measured very poorly, 6'5", 6'6.25" WS, 8'5.5" SR...bulky though at 219lbs- smaller than Castle, almost 3" less WS. I'd still love to have him, makes falling to 8/9 much more likely.

[CGD]

longer wingspan than i anticipated for him

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Good measurements. I think he’ll be gone by 8, but he’d be my preference if he falls to us there.

[Dejounte]

6’5” barefoot measurement for Kon (6’6” in shoes)
6’6.25” wingspan

for comparison:
Derrick White
6’3.25” barefoot
6’7.5” wingspan

[mo7888]

Kon measured very poorly, 6'5", 6'6.25" WS, 8'5.5" SR...bulky though at 219lbs- smaller than Castle, almost 3" less WS. I'd still love to have him, makes falling to 8/9 much more likely.

That's about what was expected...

[scottspurs]

Cooper Flagg 6’7 3/4 barefoot, 221 lbs, 7’0 wingspan, 8’10 1/2 standing reach

[Arguendo]

Givony’s twitter
Thanks, the Tweets didn't load until after I posted that

[scottspurs]

Derik Queen 6’9 1/4 barefoot, 247.8 lbs, 7’0 1/2 wingspan, 9 1/2 standing reach

[spurraider21]

Yeah, I can absolutely see him dropping now. As Rhodey said in Endgame “What’s up, regular sized man?” . I think a ton of his appeal was as a super tall wing, and Flagg is taller than him. I think teams will take a harder look at his warts now. He could drop to 5 or 6.
6'7.5 barefoot is still a solid wing number and the wingpsan is 7 feet so he is still a good sized wing... but just not some jumbo sized SF like advertised

[exstatic]

6’5” barefoot measurement for Kon (6’6” in shoes)
6’6.25” wingspan

for comparison:
Derrick White
6’3.25” barefoot
6’7.5” wingspan

Derrick White is a MUCH better athlete.

[Arguendo]

That's about what was expected...
Not from the mocks I heard, 2" less that listed height, expected WS I heard was 6'9" to 6"10 range, big difference there

[scottspurs]

Kasparas Jakucionis 6’4 3/4 barefoot, 205.2 lbs, 6’7 3/4 wingspan, 8’4 standing reach very impressive

[CGD]

6’5” barefoot measurement for Kon (6’6” in shoes)
6’6.25” wingspan

for comparison:
Derrick White
6’3.25” barefoot
6’7.5” wingspan

He’ll slip some now. Should be there at 8.

[Dejounte]

He’ll slip some now. Should be there at 8.

Hope so

[spurraider21]

about as expected for Kon. i hope nobody believed he was really 6'7 :lol

he has solid enough size to play the 2, its more a question of quickness to defend. being "strong" isnt good enough to check guards

[benefactor]

That's about what was expected...
I think that's what most of us expected. Smaller with a sturdy frame.

[Arguendo]

Demin's huge 6'8.25", 199.2, 6'10.25' WS, 8'9.5" reach

[mo7888]

Not from the mocks I heard, 2" less that listed height, expected WS I heard was 6'9" to 6"10 range, big difference there

I don't think his measurements hurt him at all. I do think it's clear that he's a 2 and not a 3 though, but I've thought that all along.

[scottspurs]

VJ Edgecombe 6’4 barefoot, 193.2 lbs, 6’7 1/2 wingspan, 8’5 1/2 standing reach

[spurraider21]

solid wingspan, but sheesh

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[CGD]

Could he fall outside top4?

Some people were starting to have Tre and VJ ahead of him even before the measurements. But I don’t see who would make him slip beyond that even with this result. Maybe one of the Bigs?

[CGD]

solid wingspan, but sheesh

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Gross. Especially for a non-point guard.

[mo7888]

solid wingspan, but sheesh

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Ouch

[scottspurs]

Ace Bailey 6’7 1/2, 202.8 lbs, 7’0 1/2 wingspan, 8’11 standing reach

[CGD]

Demin's huge 6'8.25", 199.2, 6'10.25' WS, 8'9.5" reach

I can see the spurs falling in love with this guy, and convincing themselves they can fix his shot.

[Arguendo]

I don't think his measurements hurt him at all. I do think it's clear that he's a 2 and not a 3 though, but I've thought that all along.
I just hoping he slips to us, think he's such a plug and play shooter, iso D not great but very solid team D. We need steady, reliable, smart. I confident he's that.
10-yr+ rotation guy, with real .50/.40/.90 upside. Hope he's there.

[scottspurs]

Dylan Harper 6’4 1/2 barefoot, 213.2 lbs, 6’10 1/2 wingspan span, 8’6 standing reach

[BatManu20]

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[spurraider21]

Ace Bailey 6’7 1/2, 202.8 lbs, 7’0 1/2 wingspan, 8’11 standing reach
the height is underwhelming but as somebody who was billed as an MPJ clone, the wingspan and standing reach is right ther with him

[scottspurs]

Fears 6’2 1/2 barefoot, 179 lbs, 6’5’ 1/4 wingspan, 8’2 1/2 standing reach

[exstatic]

I just hoping he slips to us, think he's such a plug and play shooter, iso D not great but very solid team D. We need steady, reliable, smart. I confident he's that.
10-yr+ rotation guy, with real .50/.40/.90 upside. Hope he's there.

Bailey will never be a 50/40/90 guy. He may not ever hit any of those numbers. With 69% FTs,it’s not a great shooting signal.

[scottspurs]

Tre Johnson 6’4 3/4 barefoot, 190.4 lbs, 6’10 1/4 wingspan, 8’5 standing reach

[exstatic]

scottspurs, please read through the thread. You’re posting stuff that was posted 20 minutes earlier.

[spurraider21]

slightly shorter than expected but still very much good sized for a 3

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[scottspurs]

Khaman Maluach 7’0 3/4 barefoot, 252.8 lbs, 7’6 3/4 wingspan, 9’6 standing reach

[BatManu20]

Kon Knueppel 6’5 barefoot, 219 lbs, 6’6 1/4 wingspan, 8’5 1/2 standing reach per Givony

Yea those are shit measurements considering his lack of athleticism. He should absolutely be there at 8 now (if that's where we wind up selecting).

[scottspurs]

scottspurs, please read through the thread. You’re posting stuff that was posted 20 minutes earlier.
Haha my bad I just find it interesting

[spurraider21]

he held up well with measurements.

compared to kon, he is 2 inches taller, 2 inches longer wingspan, though actually has a shorter standing reach. neck sizes matter

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[Arguendo]

I can see the spurs falling in love with this guy, and convincing themselves they can fix his shot.
For sure, but if we get Kon or Johnson with the 1st, I'd be okay with him at 14 if Bryant and a couple others are gone. He shot is better than Castle on a worse team against tougher opponents on more attempts and he's very young.
But hopefully someone else falls in love and takes him top 7.

[spurraider21]

crazy wingspan
Dejounte

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[Arguendo]

Bailey will never be a 50/40/90 guy. He may not ever hit any of those numbers. With 69% FTs,it’s not a great shooting signal.
Kon who put up .48/.41/.91 as a 19y/o.
I'm honestly not sure what possible part of that you thought could be in refernce to Bailey. Not plug and play, not a plus shooter, not a good team D-fender. Not steady, reliable, or smart.

[Dejounte]

7’6” wingspan my guy Sorber is jumping into my top 5 again

[spurraider21]

solid as expected, will be a very well sized 2 who can also play the 3

if he was a couple of years younger he'd be a lotto guy

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[scottspurs]

Derik Queen keeps losing weight! A little shorter than expected but nice wingspan. Athletic testing will be the most important part of the combine for him

[Arguendo]

7’6” wingspan my guy Sorber is jumping into my top 5 again
Very nice 9'1 standing reach and huge at 263lbs too. Was hoping for him at end of lottery...prolly not gonna happen.

[spurraider21]

lets fucking go

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[scottspurs]

Rasheer Fleming wow lol 7’5 1/4 wingspan

[BatManu20]

crazy wingspan
Dejounte (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=51342)

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6'10 in shoes with a 7'6 wingspan is nasty. Those are Hakeem Olajuwon's measurements. Future HOF'er confirmed.

[spurraider21]

also the website is working very well right now

[spurraider21]

Rasheer Fleming wow lol 7’5 1/4 wingspan
his 7'5 wingspan had been reported for a while, but from what i recall that was basically self reported by him and that number has stuck around. guess he wasnt exaggerating

[Arguendo]

also the website is working very well right now
Jinx

[BatManu20]

Nice. I assumed he was closer to 6'8 barefoot, but the wingspan and standing reach are solid.

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[Manu&Duncan fan]

Now my picks are Fleming and Sorber.

This NBA playoffs shows we need tough and big guys and who can shoot.

[objective]

VJ comes out as 6’4” barefoot. So 6’5” in the NBA.

To me that's a surprise,, I was expecting much smaller

[CGD]

he held up well with measurements.

compared to kon, he is 2 inches taller, 2 inches longer wingspan, though actually has a shorter standing reach. neck sizes matter

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I still like this guy. Was an early adopter. Thought he got a raw deal with his injury and UConn asking him to play outside his role.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

Fleming and Sorber will block or alter shots like adult playing with children!

[exstatic]

Kon who put up .48/.41/.91 as a 19y/o.
I'm honestly not sure what possible part of that you thought could be in refernce to Bailey. Not plug and play, not a shooter, not a good team D-fender. Not steady, reliable, or smart.
Follow the thread back. The post you quoted was about Bailey, referring to a 6’9”-6’10” height?

[CGD]

Ok, so based on these measurements we can expect the next round of mocks to boost Liam, Sorber, Fleming, Bryant, while demoting Kon, Ace, and Jase (ouch)

[scottspurs]

Cedric Coward 6’5 1/4 barefoot, 213 lbs, 7’2 1’4 wingspan, 8’10 standing reach for the steal of the draft. He will be moving up. I expect he will also have the biggest hands at the combine but we will see

[objective]

Kon needs to get him some of those Cole Aldrich platform elevator shoes that gave him an extra 2.5 inches in height

[objective]

Let's see some Hansen Yang numbers for those if us in the YangGANG

[benefactor]

Hopefully teams fall in love with size for the 1000000th time and Kon falls in our lap

[spurraider21]

6'10 in shoes with a 7'6 wingspan is nasty. Those are Hakeem Olajuwon's measurements. Future HOF'er confirmed.
charles bassey was 6'10 in shoes with a 7'3 wingspan fwiw

[scottspurs]

I’m cool with Kon at 6’5 because he has the weight and IQ to bully people and get positioning. I don’t think 3-pt shooting is the biggest need (rebounding) but it is a need. All this height confirms is that he will never be a 4 but he can play the 2-3.

[spurraider21]

giant

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[scottspurs]

Really good draft for the Spurs to be able to pluck a center in round 2 if they go best player available with lottery picks.

[Dejounte]

Thomas Sorber with the 3rd or 4th pick tbh

[BatManu20]

charles bassey was 6'10 in shoes with a 7'3 wingspan fwiw

Those are Serge Ibaka's exact measurements too. I was being tongue-in-cheek tho obv. Aside from the obvious talent discrepancy, Sorber's not nearly the athlete those guys are. More lumbering and slower-footed, though he's still an intriguing prospect. Rather have Fleming tho tbh because of his ability to stretch the floor.

[scottspurs]

I had Asa Newell above Sorber but definitely moving Sorber up and Newell down. Under 7’0 wingspan and at 220 something pounds for Asa. He will have to blow the athletic testing away to be a lottery pick.

[Mr. Body]

Man, I love when measurements come out. It's high comedy. Casuals have orgasms. "Oh, he's an inch shorter than we thought! He's gonna drop!"

No, he's not going to drop. No one gives a shit about exact measurements the day after the draft. They're for numpties to frenzy over. You can barely remember the measurements of anybody from last draft, if anybody. It's fucking hilarious.

[scottspurs]

I also think Johni Broome will fall to the 2nd round with his 6’9 1/4 measurements. He is just not athletic enough to survive at that size. He is at best a back up rotational big in NBA

[LeBowen]

Man, I love when measurements come out. It's high comedy. Casuals have orgasms. "Oh, he's an inch shorter than we thought! He's gonna drop!"

No, he's not going to drop. No one gives a shit about exact measurements the day after the draft. They're for numpties to frenzy over. You can barely remember the measurements of anybody from last draft, if anybody. It's fucking hilarious.

It's even more hillarious when you actually take a measuring tape and see how much of a difference one or two inches actually is.
Bailey went from the next KD to the next Rodney Hood because of a few inches. :lol

[Mr. Body]

It's even more hillarious when you actually take a measuring tape and see how much of a difference one or two inches actually is.
Bailey went from the next KD to the next Rodney Hood because of a few inches. :lol

Seriously. Jesus Christ, this shit doesn't really matter. A bad player doesn't magically become great because he's an inch taller. C'mon.

[spurraider21]

Seriously. Jesus Christ, this shit doesn't really matter. A bad player doesn't magically become great because he's an inch taller. C'mon.
im looking back trying to find comments where somebody saw a player they thought was bad but now think theyre good today

[baseline bum]

his 7'5 wingspan had been reported for a while, but from what i recall that was basically self reported by him and that number has stuck around. guess he wasnt exaggerating

After seeing Dillingham go from 178lb to 164lb when measured at the combine hard to trust any of these self reported numbers. :lol

Damn Fleming at #14 sounds nice though.

[LeBowen]

Imo, measurements are the most important for point guards because small and underweight guards get exploited no matter how good they are.
For wings it doesn't matter as much if they're 6'7 or 6'9, it's all about their skill and IQ. We're past the era of perimeter positions being locked in, it's just about if you're above the minimum threshold.

[baseline bum]

Ok, so based on these measurements we can expect the next round of mocks to boost Liam, Sorber, Fleming, Bryant, while demoting Kon, Ace, and Jase (ouch)

Can't see hype on Bryant with a top 10 pick when he's putting up 6.5ppg. Maybe late teens just on size but at #8 or #9 seems nuts.

[xellos88330]

I kinda like the idea of Maluach. Wemby gets tired pretty quick. It could allow Wemby to play more on the outside offensively and use more energy on defense. It should also improve rebounding around the rim.

[baseline bum]

I kinda like the idea of Maluach. Wemby gets tired pretty quick. It could allow Wemby to play more on the outside offensively and use more energy on defense. It should also improve rebounding around the rim.

I'd be very surprised if he's there at 8 and def not taking him top 4 if the Spurs move up.

[itzsoweezee]

Went back and looked at Castle’s measurements from last year and they were impressive:

Height w/o shoes: 6' 5.50''
Standing reach: 8' 6.00''
Wingspan: 6' 9.00''

The spurs need size and shooting. Seems like Steph is a good baseline size-wise

[SpursBills]

Measurements matter somewhat - it helps to put into context college production and how likely it is to translate to the next level. I like to use them to compare them to stylistically similar players to get a feel for how likely their skills can translate to the next level:



NBA Comps
Height
Weight
Wingspan
Standing Reach


Ace Bailey
6'7.5"
203
7'0.5"
8'11"


Michael Porter Jr
6'9.5"
211
7'0.25"
9'0.5"









VJ Edgecombe
6'4"
193.2
6'7.5"
8'5.5"


Victor Oladipo
6'3.25"
213
6'9.25"
8'4.5"









Tre Johnson
6'4.75"
190
6'10.25"
8'5"


Tyler Herro
6'4.5"
192
6'3.25"
8'4.5"









Jeremiah Fears
6'2.5"
180
6'5.25"
8'2.5"


Collin Sexton
6'0.5"
183
6'7.25"
8'2.5"









Kon Knueppel
6'5"
219
6'6.25
8'5.5"


Desmond Bane
6'5"
219
6'4.5"
8'4"









Derik Queen
6'9.25"
248
7'0.5"
9'1.5"


Alperen Sengun
6'9"
243
7'0.5" (?)










Collin Murray-Boyles
6'6.5"
239
7'0.75"
8'10.5"


Draymond Green
6'5.75"
235
7'1.25"
8'9"









Egor Demin
6'8.5
199
6'10.25"
8'9.5"


Josh Giddey
6'8"
205 (?)
6'7.5"
8'5" (?)









Liam McNeeley
6'6.75"
215
6'8.5"
8'4"


Corey Kispert
6'6"
224
6'7"
8'6"

[itzsoweezee]

Measurements matter somewhat - it helps to put into context college production and how likely it is to translate to the next level. I like to use them to compare them to stylistically similar players to get a feel for how likely their skills can translate to the next level:



NBA Comps
Height
Weight
Wingspan
Standing Reach


Ace Bailey
6'7.5"
203
7'0.5"
8'11"


Michael Porter Jr
6'9.5"
211
7'0.25"
9'0.5"









VJ Edgecombe
6'4"
193.2
6'7.5"
8'5.5"


Victor Oladipo
6'3.25"
213
6'9.25"
8'4.5"









Tre Johnson
6'4.75"
190
6'10.25"
8'5"


Tyler Herro
6'4.5"
192
6'3.25"
8'4.5"









Jeremiah Fears
6'2.5"
180
6'5.25"
8'2.5"


Collin Sexton
6'0.5"
183
6'7.25"
8'2.5"









Kon Knueppel
6'5"
219
6'6.25
8'5.5"


Desmond Bane
6'5"
219
6'4.5"
8'4"









Derik Queen
6'9.25"
248
7'0.5"
9'1.5"


Alperen Sengun
6'9"
243
7'0.5" (?)










Collin Murray-Boyles
6'6.5"
239
7'0.75"
8'10.5"


Draymond Green
6'5.75"
235
7'1.25"
8'9"









Egor Demin
6'8.5
199
6'10.25"
8'9.5"


Josh Giddey
6'8"
205 (?)
6'7.5"
8'5" (?)









Liam McNeeley
6'6.75"
215
6'8.5"
8'4"


Corey Kispert
6'6"
224
6'7"
8'6"



Something in Tre Johnson’s numbers seems wrong. How can he have that wingspan and only that reach?

[Arguendo]

Follow the thread back. The post you quoted was about Bailey, referring to a 6’9”-6’10” height?
Kon measured very poorly, 6'5", 6'6.25" WS, 8'5.5" SR...bulky though at 219lbs- smaller than Castle, almost 3" less WS. I'd still love to have him, makes falling to 8/9 much more likely.



That's about what was expected...

Didn't think so, was referring to Kon's measurements...Mo7888 replied to me, and i relied back. But whatever, I'd love Kon at 8, don't have high hopes for Ace reaching his potential.

[Arguendo]

Imo, measurements are the most important for point guards because small and underweight guards get exploited no matter how good they are.
For wings it doesn't matter as much if they're 6'7 or 6'9, it's all about their skill and IQ. We're past the era of perimeter positions being locked in, it's just about if you're above the minimum threshold.
Height is way overrated, but length can be a great sign of untapped potential. Like Derrick White and Naz would likely both be less successful NBA players with a couple less inches of length.

[scott]

Something in Tre Johnson’s numbers seems wrong. How can he have that wingspan and only that reach?

This shoulder sockets are located at his hips.

Here is a secret photo I got from UT's medical staff. I don't like Tre because of his skinny legs. No vertical lift.

https://i.imgur.com/EsrYt0f.png

[exstatic]

Something in Tre Johnson’s numbers seems wrong. How can he have that wingspan and only that reach?

Long neck. They don’t miss on combine measurements. Take them to the bank.

[Russ]

Something in Tre Johnson’s numbers seems wrong. How can he have that wingspan and only that reach?

Broad shoulders?

[CGD]

^ these are excellent comps. And of course measurements matter. Maybe not dramatically, but enough to make swing a pick 1-3 spots.

Ace Bailey and Kon Knueple, I’m sure will have a 1-2 million thoughts about today’s measurements a few months from now.

[itzsoweezee]

Long neck. They don’t miss on combine measurements. Take them to the bank.

How the hell is a long neck going to affect standing reach or wingspan?

[PhantomDashCam]

This shoulder sockets are located at his hips.

Here is a secret photo I got from UT's medical staff. I don't like Tre because of his skinny legs. No vertical lift.


Some positives though. Six fingers on left hand, Tim Duncan demeanour and fashion sense…

[dn0774]

I love this part of the year, overvaluing of measurements in full effect lol. Are the verts tomorrow? Can't wait. Not to say they don't have some impact, but fair to say the private workouts are where most decisions are made.

[Russ]

How the hell is a long neck going to affect standing reach or wingspan?

Hmmmm . . . I'll get back to ya.

[John B]

Let’s go!!!!

[dn0774]

Something in Tre Johnson’s numbers seems wrong. How can he have that wingspan and only that reach?

Last year Castle initially was reported as being 6'2" without shoes and people went nuts. Turned out the wrong data was put in and it was corrected later. Could be that or...

Tre Johnson might've tanked his standing reach (didn't extend fully) to make his vertical leap look better than it really is (Reed Sheppard style).

[spurraider21]

very similar measurables to Fleming. even older than him though

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[John B]

very similar measurables to Fleming. even older than him though

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Did you say huge hands??? I’m in!

[LeBowen]

https://i.imgur.com/H3XiJRB.png

Interesting.

[benefactor]

very similar measurables to Fleming. even older than him though

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Good second round option tbh. And he does not need to go back to school. He's already the second oldest player in the draft.

[rascal]

he held up well with measurements.

compared to kon, he is 2 inches taller, 2 inches longer wingspan, though actually has a shorter standing reach. neck sizes matter

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He jumps better than Kon, better athletically. McNeeley can be a SF on the Spurs Kon cannot.

Kon won't be high on the Spurs board unless they are serious in trading Vassell which is unlikely.

[John B]

Inside top 4!!!

[John B]

He jumps better than Kon, better athletically. McNeeley can be a SF on the Spurs Kon cannot.

Kon won't be high on the Spurs board unless they are serious in trading Vassell which is unlikely.

We can stop talking about Kon, Spurs picking top 4

[spurraider21]

so... about Dylan Harper

[Mal]

So Rutgers

[John B]

NBA gifting the Luka trade

[itzsoweezee]

So close. Damnit

[itzsoweezee]

NBA gifting the Luka trade

It’s all starting to make sense

[John B]

Dylan for Giannis??? Personally no but it’s worth the discussion

[John B]

Dylan for Giannis??? Personally no but it’s worth the discussion

[Mal]

Dylan for Giannis??? Personally no but it’s worth the discussion

I would

[Dejounte]

I would trade this pick for Giannis tbh

[SpursGenius]

Giannis cant shoot and would cost all our picks not just Harper. No thanks.

[ginobilized]

Harper #2
Trade #14
Trade #38
Micah Peavey makes the team off a training camp invite

After thinking about this for 10 mins, Harper and Castle would be an amazing backcourt for the next decade.

[benefactor]

And with the number two pick in the 2025 NBA Draft the San Antonio Spurs select Giannis Antetokounmpo

[ginobilized]

Harper #2
Trade #14
Trade #38
Micah Peavey makes the team off a training camp invite

After thinking about this for 10 mins, Harper and Castle would be an amazing backcourt for the next decade.

[TD 21]

:lmao Not that I'm complaining, but this league has no shame. Most outraged fanbase probably ever, known for having white superstars, just so happened to make the biggest leap in lottery history and on the heels of the so called marquee franchise being handed a path to relevance/contention for another generation, all while ratings were down beforehand?

Harper as the centerpiece for Antetokounmpo? To move down slightly + pick up other stuff? Along with 14 and the Hawks '27 1st for Flagg? (Mavericks would never do it for marketing/financial reasons).

[baseline bum]

Giannis cant shoot and would cost all our picks not just Harper. No thanks.

Doubtful. No one is going to make an offer with a player with more value than than Harper.

[scottspurs]

#2 pick is awesome/awkward!! lol I just don’t even know! Do you trade Fox? Would be dirty work. Trade for Giannis? Pick Harper? I don’t think I convince anyone of Derik Queen at 2. Trade back for future picks? I’m lost lol

[Chinook]

How the hell is a long neck going to affect standing reach or wingspan?

Long neck means more height above the shoulders. SR is basically the length of a person's arm plus their height at the shoulder. Neck length doesn't contribute to it but does to overall height.

[benefactor]

The league was set to lose a mountain of cash with the unfolding situation in dallas. This is how you get it back.

[sfernald]

Fox/harper/castle/wemby

lets go!!!!

[Chinook]

Keep the pick. Hope Dallas likes Harper enough to trade Flagg. Else see if a team in the top six would trade a ransom for him. If not, take him and put one of him or Castle as sixth man and get into the season to see how the team looks. If it looks good, ride it out until the deadline and make a move for a star. If it looks bad look for a trade to shore up weaknesses. Pretty straight-forward.

[djohn2oo8]

Doubtful. No one is going to make an offer with a player with more value than than Harper.
It will cost #2 and Castle, just for starters.

[John B]

It’s all starting to make sense

Trade Doncic to the darling Lakers to help LeGoat, and will gift the the rights for Flagg… just saying

[kxs783kms]

We can eventually find another 6'7 Castle. A 7ft player like Giannis only comes in a lifetime. If you get a chance to get him in his prime, you do it. Not sure why everyone is hanging on to Castle in this particular situation. Y'all acting like we'll be trading him for a scrub. I don't get it.

[djohn2oo8]

Keep the pick. Hope Dallas likes Harper enough to trade Flagg. Else see if a team in the top six would trade a ransom for him. If not, take him and put one of him or Castle as sixth man and get into the season to see how the team looks. If it looks good, ride it out until the deadline and make a move for a star. If it looks bad look for a trade to shore up weaknesses. Pretty straight-forward.
This should be the move for the Spurs. Nico might not like Flagg enough to take him #1.

[baseline bum]

It will cost #2 and Castle, just for starters.

Who is offering anything more valuable than Harper? No reason for the Spurs to bid against themselves. Rockets would have to make Amen available to beat that, which would be moronic.

[LeBowen]

What's Harper even like as a player? Is he a natural point guard, a true floor general? How's his defense?
Is he worth the hype? It's a #2 pick after all, will he make an immediate impact as let's say Trae and Ja did?

My biggest issue is that his shooting is subpar, if he was an elite shooter then we'd be able to make things work.
But having three ballhandlers who are all below average 3pt shooters for their position would be rough.

I don't think anything happens before the draft night. A lot of work is ahead of the front office.

[Ice009]

We need Flagg to come out and say he doesn't want to go to Dallas. Maybe if he says something like I don't like what they did to Luka. I don't want to play for them.

[baseline bum]

Keep the pick. Hope Dallas likes Harper enough to trade Flagg. Else see if a team in the top six would trade a ransom for him. If not, take him and put one of him or Castle as sixth man and get into the season to see how the team looks. If it looks good, ride it out until the deadline and make a move for a star. If it looks bad look for a trade to shore up weaknesses. Pretty straight-forward.

Nah if I'm moving Harper I'm doing it in the summer while he has maximum value as a potential allstar on a four year cost controlled contract.

[ginobilized]

SW Division is going to be a bloodbath for years to come.

Dallas might trade Flagg for Giannis, could be interesting. I bet Giannis first or second choice would be the Spurs, though.

I think I'd rather build organically and see if Harper becomes some version of Shai/Harden.

[baseline bum]

We need Flagg to come out and say he doesn't want to go to Dallas. Maybe if he says something like I don't like what they did to Luka. I don't want to play for them.

They'll still take him and dare him to sit out.

[baseline bum]

SW Division is going to be a bloodbath for years to come.

Dallas might trade Flagg for Giannis, could be interesting. I bet Giannis first or second choice would be the Spurs, though.

I think I'd rather build organically and see if Harper becomes some version of Shai/Harden.

Nico is the only GM stupid enough to trade Flagg for Giannis.