2025 NBA Draft

[cutewizard]

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[cutewizard]

Meanwhile, has there been significant development in our Beno Udrih 2.0 ??

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[cutewizard]

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[RC_Drunkford]

Help us build a good team or help their clients get paid? I guess the Mitch signing without competition makes sense now. They waited until Pop was incapacitated and took advantage of it.

the entire Fox trade was spearheaded by Clutch.

Fox - Clutch
LaVine - Clutch

the prior trade was a Spurs/Pelicans/Kings 3-team deal. Players involved:

Fox - Clutch
Dejounte Murray - Clutch
Keldon Johnson - Clutch

and it fell through cause Dejounte got injured, which made them pivot to the Bulls. And before you ask me for sources, Don Harris said that this was the first framework of the deal.

[CGD]

Guys, what do you think of this future prospect?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB96Hy-ueA8

Wow, the “bend over” guy is gonna have field day with “Da-bone.”

[exstatic]

the entire Fox trade was spearheaded by Clutch.

Fox - Clutch
LaVine - Clutch

the prior trade was a Spurs/Pelicans/Kings 3-team deal. Players involved:

Fox - Clutch
Dejounte Murray - Clutch
Keldon Johnson - Clutch

and it fell through cause Dejounte got injured, which made them pivot to the Bulls. And before you ask me for sources, Don Harris said that this was the first framework of the deal.

I remember hearing that. It was too bad for Sacto that didn’t happen. DJ would have been better than Lavine for them.

[R. DeMurre]

Some might say that but I chose Wolf because Queen is a better rebounder defensively


It does amaze me how often people neglect defensive rebounding as a part of defense... it's a serious liability that people overlook with guys like JJJ and Paolo.

[scottspurs]

It does amaze me how often people neglect defensive rebounding as a part of defense... it's a serious liability that people overlook with guys like JJJ and Paolo.

Not giving teams 2nd Chance points is the 2nd most important aspect of defense after not letting the ball go in the hoop.

[Dex]

Not giving teams 2nd Chance points is the 2nd most important aspect of defense after not letting the ball go in the hoop.

Defensive possession isn't over until you secure the rebound.

One of the things that drives me crazy about this young group is they try to tap the ball out too much instead of just getting good position and grabbing the damn ball. Half the time that ends up going back to the other team for an easy shot.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1936439041831862412

[scottspurs]

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1936439041831862412

Damn that’s back to back years that someone has gotten injured during a Spurs workout. Salaun sprained his ankle last year but this one is tough. Maybe the Spurs can find a way to allow him to rehab at the Spurs facility.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Hope he had great insurance specifically for this kind of shit

[scottspurs]

Ben Saraf 20 pts, 4 ast, 4 Reb, 2 stl

Noa Essengue 4 pts, 1 reb in 13 minutes ooof

Today in German league finals. Ulm won

[scottspurs]

I like Noa but part of me hopes someone else takes the swing before the Spurs do. Push a more ready made player down the board. Today’s performance hurts that from happening

[Bruno]

Essengue has been statistically bad in all 3 games of the German league (average of 3.7 ppg). He has a lot of qualities but right now he is skinny player who can't shot and I don't see how it will work in the NBA.

Question is how fast can he fix that if he can fix it?

Shooting wise, he is getting better year after year but he has still a long way to go. Even if he has been for 5 years in high level teaching structures (INSEP and Ulm), his shot still isn't in place. This year he is at 28% from FIBA 3.

Bulking wise, he has gained only 6lbs between February 2024 and now.

He really is a long term project.

[Bruno]

Meanwhile, has there been significant development in our Beno Udrih 2.0 ??


He hasn't played since February because of a torn meniscus that required surgery.

[Russ]

Essengue has been statistically bad in all 3 games of the German league (average of 3.7 ppg). He has a lot of qualities but right now he is skinny player who can't shot and I don't see how it will work in the NBA.

Question is how fast can he fix that if he can fix it?

Shooting wise, he is getting better year after year but he has still a long way to go. Even if he has been for 5 years in high level teaching structures (INSEP and Ulm), his shot still isn't in place. This year he is at 28% from FIBA 3.

Bulking wise, he has gained only 6lbs between February 2024 and now.

He really is a long term project.

So maybe it's . . .

Thomas Sorber

Carter Bryant

Asa Newell

And only then . . .

Noa Essengue.

Unless they want to go with an older college guy (I'd roll with the above guys).

[RC_Drunkford]

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1936439041831862412

all this only to maybe be considered for a Spurs 2-way contract. That's a bad look. Hope dude can recover.

[Ariel]

Right now this is where I'm at:


I'd move up for if the price is right: Tre Johnson, Kon Knueppel
If we stay at 14: Carter Bryant, Joan Beringer, Cedric Coward, Thomas Sorber
If we move back into the 20s: Rasheer Fleming, Drake Powell, McNeely
In the 2nd round: Noa Penda, Kalkbrenner, Hugo Gonzalez (draft & stash only), Raynaud, Niederhauser, Proctor, Kobe Brea
I'm intrigued but not a fit so pass: Traore (can't take another PG but has top 5 in the class potential), Demin (probably Giddey 2.0, but a star if he shoots it), Danny Wolf (don't trust the shot, but if it comes along watch out).
Do not want: Essengue (don't know what he does, really), Murray Boyles (good player otherwise, but hopeless non shooter)

[mystargtr34]

Stumbled across the locked on Hawks podcast and as expected the podcasters and the comments section is talking about their need for a C and size in general.

I could see the Hawks trying to trade up to 7 or 8 to draft Maluach. It would take their 13 and 22 plus another asset I would say. Failing that I think at 13 they would take Queen, Beringer, Sorber or even Newell. Queen or Sorber are not vertical spacers which is probably what you want next to Trae to unlock his passing at his midget size but Queens talent may be too much to pass up.

[mystargtr34]

CMB was the only real non Center who came up on the Hawks podcast they seem to like him.

In terms of the Bulls at 12, feels like they have similar needs to Atlanta at the C spot to replace Vucevic. Bulls are less set at the 4 position (despite having $90M tied up to Pat Williams). They have Buzelis at the 3, Colby White and Giddey did well in the backcourt together. I could see the Bulls draft board having Maluach, Queen, Beringer, Sorber on it in that order. I would throw in Essengue and Carter Bryant somewhere before or after Queen.

[scott]

CMB was the only real non Center who came up on the Hawks podcast they seem to like him.

In terms of the Bulls at 12, feels like they have similar needs to Atlanta at the C spot to replace Vucevic. Bulls are less set at the 4 position (despite having $90M tied up to Pat Williams). They have Buzelis at the 3, Colby White and Giddey did well in the backcourt together. I could see the Bulls draft board having Maluach, Queen, Beringer, Sorber on it in that order. I would throw in Essengue and Carter Bryant somewhere before or after Queen.

CMB could be an interesting fit for the Bulls... they could take a page out of the Spurs playbook and hinge everything on "if these guys can learn to shoot..."

[RC_Drunkford]

Stumbled across the locked on Hawks podcast and as expected the podcasters and the comments section is talking about their need for a C and size in general.

I could see the Hawks trying to trade up to 7 or 8 to draft Maluach. It would take their 13 and 22 plus another asset I would say. Failing that I think at 13 they would take Queen, Beringer, Sorber or even Newell. Queen or Sorber are not vertical spacers which is probably what you want next to Trae to unlock his passing at his midget size but Queens talent may be too much to pass up.

I wouldn't be only focused on C there. They are very high on Demin as well.

[SpursGenius]

the entire Fox trade was spearheaded by Clutch.

Fox - Clutch
LaVine - Clutch

the prior trade was a Spurs/Pelicans/Kings 3-team deal. Players involved:

Fox - Clutch
Dejounte Murray - Clutch
Keldon Johnson - Clutch

and it fell through cause Dejounte got injured, which made them pivot to the Bulls. And before you ask me for sources, Don Harris said that this was the first framework of the deal.
wish second deal happened we keep bulls pickj and get rid of trash keldon

[SpursGenius]

Right now this is where I'm at:


I'd move up for if the price is right: Tre Johnson, Kon Knueppel
If we stay at 14: Carter Bryant, Joan Beringer, Cedric Coward, Thomas Sorber
If we move back into the 20s: Rasheer Fleming, Drake Powell, McNeely
In the 2nd round: Noa Penda, Kalkbrenner, Hugo Gonzalez (draft & stash only), Raynaud, Niederhauser, Proctor, Kobe Brea
I'm intrigued but not a fit so pass: Traore (can't take another PG but has top 5 in the class potential), Demin (probably Giddey 2.0, but a star if he shoots it), Danny Wolf (don't trust the shot, but if it comes along watch out).
Do not want: Essengue (don't know what he does, really), Murray Boyles (good player otherwise, but hopeless non shooter)


good except no to Carter B and Raynaud. Also Mcneely sux ass

[mystargtr34]

CMB could be an interesting fit for the Bulls... they could take a page out of the Spurs playbook and hinge everything on "if these guys can learn to shoot..."

I could see CMB going as high as 11 at Portland. Could see Bulls too if they can find a stretch 5 next to him because Giddey and Buzelis aren’t great shooters.

[mystargtr34]

I wouldn't be only focused on C there. They are very high on Demin as well.

Yeah I’ve seen Demin mocked there in a couple different reputable mocks. I could see that he would fit nicely off the bench as their playmaker.

Levert could play that role if they re-sign him then the Hawks could go defense and upside at 22 like Drake Powell. Not sure where the fuck Kobe Bufkin is these days he was the 15th pick in 2023 and has played 27 games in two years and is a sub 40% FG guy.

[exstatic]

wish second deal happened we keep bulls pickj and get rid of trash keldon

Not likely. NO just traded two FRPs for Dejounte months earlier. That pick likely goes to NO.

[Ice009]

wish second deal happened we keep bulls pickj and get rid of trash keldon

Man, that would have been so much better. Edit : Just read what Exstatic said and that's probably right. DJ would have cost another pick going to NO, so yeah, he's 100% right on that one.

[scott]

Not likely. NO just traded two FRPs for Dejounte months earlier. That pick likely goes to NO.

And even if it doesn’t, Bulls probably just tank to keep the pick rather than doing what they did.

No use in daydreaming about that Bulls pick.

[Spurs Brazil]

After the Durant trade Suns will pick 10 and will look for a Center. If the Spurs were interested in a C at 14th that's bad news.

[Mugen]

I think PHX could go Kasparas as well

[Mr. Body]

After the Durant trade Suns will pick 10 and will look for a Center. If the Spurs were interested in a C at 14th that's bad news.

Good point, yeah.

[Degoat]

I think the suns go for a guard tbh I know reports have said they want a big but your not gonna waste people pick 10’on Sorber or Queen

[Ice009]

I knew that Suns getting the 10th pick if trading with Houston that it would affect the Spurs' draft pick if the Spurs are looking at a big, but didn't think it's worth mentioning as I figured everyone knew that. Spurs are going to have to try and trade up if there is someone they like there with the #14 and possibly another player or most likely a pick from their stockpile.

[Mnky]

After the Durant trade Suns will pick 10 and will look for a Center. If the Spurs were interested in a C at 14th that's bad news.

This will also push a forward down as well though.

[ulosturedge]

Just go BPA between wing, power foward, and center at this point. I'm open to trading up if it makes sense.

[Atl Spur]

This draft is full of centers ranging in similar talent; get a wing at 14

[CorrectCrusader]

Very interested to see who the Suns zone in on. Heard they're interviewing Nolan Traore and Cedric Coward

[Mr. Body]

This draft is full of centers ranging in similar talent; get a wing at 14

And the wings have worse talent.

[scottspurs]

Ace Bailey has declined the Utah Jazz a workout. - draft express

[Ice009]

I've said it before, but I think he wants Brooklyn IMO. Whether or not the teams he wants, though, would want him is another story.

[scottspurs]

Buckle up. Joan Beringer has worked out with the San Antonio Spurs according to Givony

[scottspurs]

Givony also said the Spurs are taking looks at Cedric Coward. Didn’t say whether he has worked out for them or not.

[scottspurs]

Givony also says Kasparas Jakucionis range ends at 14. Not sure if that means the Spurs will pick him or if he thinks the Spurs would trade back or out should he fall that far.

[scottspurs]

Givony has the Thunder picking Derik Queen. Says the Thunder won’t pass on a top talent.

[Mugen]

Queen slipping to the Thunder would be diabolical tbh. Would be a really nice fit alongside Chet.

[scottspurs]

The 3 players Givony connected to the San Antonio Spurs from what he is hearing is Joan Beringer, Thomas Sorber and Cedric Coward

[scottspurs]

Worked out/met with Spurs Tracker


LJ Cryer, Guard - Houston
Micah Peavy, Forward - Georgetown
RJ Felton, Guard - East Carolina
Jeremiah Fears, Guard - Oklahoma
John Tonje, Guard - Wisconsin
Sean Pedulla, Guard - Ole Miss
Thomas Sorber, Big - Georgetown
Cam Carter, Guard - LSU
Javon Small, Guard - West Virginia
Obinna Anochili-Killen, Forward - Marshall
Zeke Mayo, Guard - Kansas
Khaman Maluach, Big - Duke
Danny Wolf, Big - Michigan
Egor Demin, Forward - BYU
Dylan Harper, Guard - Rutgers
Dylan Cardwell, Big - Auburn
Kobe Sanders, Guard - Nevada
Taelon Peter, Guard - Liberty
Joan Beringer, Big - France


Maxime Raynaud, Big - Stanford
(also worked out with Wemby)


Jalon Moore, Forward- Oklahoma
(Tore his Achilles during workout)


Milos Uzan, Guard - Houston
(Returned to school)

[scottspurs]

Spurs are clearly hunting for a Big. Even Cedric Coward projects as a potential power forward.

[LeBowen]

The 3 players Givony connected to the San Antonio Spurs from what he is hearing is Joan Beringer, Thomas Sorber and Cedric Coward

Beringer? Maybe if we trade down?

[scottspurs]

Beringer? Maybe if we trade down?

I agree that would be best but Givony has him mocked to the Spurs at 14. He is pretty plugged in so we might need to brace ourselves

[Mugen]

Coward has been rising on my board recently as well. The sample size is small but would be a terrific 3&D for us if he pans out.

[spurraider21]

Essengue has been statistically bad in all 3 games of the German league (average of 3.7 ppg). He has a lot of qualities but right now he is skinny player who can't shot and I don't see how it will work in the NBA.

Question is how fast can he fix that if he can fix it?

Shooting wise, he is getting better year after year but he has still a long way to go. Even if he has been for 5 years in high level teaching structures (INSEP and Ulm), his shot still isn't in place. This year he is at 28% from FIBA 3.

Bulking wise, he has gained only 6lbs between February 2024 and now.

He really is a long term project.
the real question about essengue is what specific NBA things does he project to do at an above average level. i get a lot of livio jean charles vibes. oh, lengthy reasonably athletic player who kind of just floats

[SpursFan86]

Really not liking the Beringer rumors. He’s fine as a late first type of guy, but getting him at 14 would be very disappointing IMO.

[scottspurs]

Spurs Draft Board Tiers


Based on what we know these players have been connected to the Spurs. I’m putting these players in order of consensus not my own opinion. But these are the most likely candidates to be picked based on their connections to the Spurs


Tier pick #2
Dylan Harper


Tier Trade up from pick #14
Jeremiah Fears
Khaman Maluach


Tier pick #14
Egor Demin
Thomas Sorber
Cedric Coward


Tier trade down from pick #14 or Trade up from pick #38
Joan Beringer
Danny Wolf
Maxime Raynaud


Tier pick #38
John Tonje
Javon Small
Kobe Sanders
Micah Peavy


Tier Undrafted Summer league/Camp Bodies/two-way candidate
LJ Cryer
RJ Felton
Sean Pedulla
Cam Carter
Obinna Anochili-Killen
Zeke Mayo
Dylan Cardwell
Taelon Peter

[Dejounte]

My guess what the Spurs are thinking:

at the 14th pick
Plan A is Maluach
Plan B is Sorber
Plan C is Beringer
and if all else fails, Coward

I don’t think they have any plans to trade up at all. They have contingencies for every scenario and while Maluach (if he’s their target) is a longshot, they have to make a plan if he does slip to 14th.

[LeBowen]

, they have to make a plan if he does slip to 14th.

Why would they have to make a plan if Maluach is the unlikely plan A and Sorber is plan B?
They play the same position, it doesn't impact any other moves.

The only plan I can see happening is Spurs trading down in case of both being gone and taking Beringer with one of the Nets picks.

I can understand the idea of getting a big in the draft if none of the 3-D prospects is interesting enough.
There are very few bigs on the market and we won't be at the top of their lists considering some other playoff teams need starting bigs and not just backups.

[John B]

Whichever the draft goes, I am confident the Spurs will get a serviceable big to pair with Wemby in the front court for years ahead.

My choice at 14:
Sorber
Carter
Maluach

Trade up #38 for:
Fleming
Reynaud
Wolf

a combination of PF/C would be great.

[BatManu20]

Really not liking the Beringer rumors. He’s fine as a late first type of guy, but getting him at 14 would be very disappointing IMO.

Same. Beringer has some intriguing tools, but he's such a raw prospect. He wouldn't be ready to contribute for a while imo.

[spurraider21]

Spurs Draft Board Tiers


Based on what we know these players have been connected to the Spurs. I’m putting these players in order of consensus not my own opinion. But these are the most likely candidates to be picked based on their connections to the Spurs


Tier pick #2
Dylan Harper


Tier Trade up from pick #14
Jeremiah Fears
Khaman Maluach


Tier pick #14
Egor Demin
Thomas Sorber
Cedric Coward


Tier trade down from pick #14 or Trade up from pick #38
Joan Beringer
Danny Wolf
Maxime Raynaud


Tier pick #38
John Tonje
Javon Small
Kobe Sanders
Micah Peavy


Tier Undrafted Summer league/Camp Bodies/two-way candidate
LJ Cryer
RJ Felton
Sean Pedulla
Cam Carter
Obinna Anochili-Killen
Zeke Mayo
Dylan Cardwell
Taelon Peter




if the spurs trade up for Fears i would probably delete my account here

[poopbox]

Beringer? Maybe if we trade down?

I expect Beringer to be there at 14. I think the only requirement the Spurs have for another big is "don't be trash like Collins and don't have stone hands like Bassey".

I also think it would be hard to move off that 14 pick without overpaying to move back up, and they are probably not going to get all that much to move down and give somebody else the 14th pick.

[exstatic]

Ace Bailey has declined the Utah Jazz a workout. - draft express

I’d love if they picked him anyway.

[poopbox]

if the spurs trade up for Fears i would probably delete my account here

I mean at least it would mean that Devin HAS to be gone if they somehow end up with Fears...right :rollin

What are you going to do if as soon as the draft starts we hear Devin + some future firsts got traded to Utah or Washington? That would most certainty mean they are taking Fears :rollin

[spurraider21]

I mean at least it would mean that Devin HAS to be gone if they somehow end up with Fears...right :rollin

What are you going to do if as soon as the draft starts we hear Devin + some future firsts got traded to Utah or Washington? That would most certainty mean they are taking Fears :rollin
losing one of our few competent shooters in Vassell as the means to acquire an undersized non-shooter in Fears would not be a good thing

the spurs have 0 need for Fears. he is a score first point guard. we have Fox, Harper, Castle. why the urgency not only to add fears, but to trade up for him?

[LeBowen]

I expect Beringer to be there at 14. I think the only requirement the Spurs have for another big is "don't be trash like Collins and don't have stone hands like Bassey".

I also think it would be hard to move off that 14 pick without overpaying to move back up, and they are probably not going to get all that much to move down and give somebody else the 14th pick.

I'm not that big on extracting all the possible value from a pick.
I don't care if Beringer is projected to be picked in 20s, if he can be let's say Walker Kessler, that's good enough value for me.

But if we can get let's say 19+26 for 14+38 and still get Beringer, it would be good value.

[spurraider21]

I'm not that big on extracting all the possible value from a pick.
I don't care if Beringer is projected to be picked in 20s, if he can be let's say Walker Kessler, that's good enough value for me.

But if we can get let's say 19+26 for 14+38 and still get Beringer, it would be good value.
the reason i disagree is that with 26 we can probably get someboyd like Kalkbrenner instead of Beringer and use the earlier pick to get a forward

[LeBowen]

the reason i disagree is that with 26 we can probably get someboyd like Kalkbrenner instead of Beringer and use the earlier pick to get a forward

But is it worth getting a worse big since it's our most pressing need by far?
Our wings are subpar to say the least, but still manageable.
On the other hand, our team just doesn't work as soon as Wemby sits.

I wouldn't even be opposed to getting two Cs with 14+38, we need three bigs, anyway. Let them battle it out.
I think we'll definitely get one in the draft, then it comes down to if we'll get someone who's ready to be the backup right away or we'll get a third stringer while getting a reliable veteran in free agency or via trade.
But as I said, there aren't many reliable veterans out there and a lot of teams need bigs. Meaning most of them will be overpaid.

[CorrectCrusader]

The 3 players Givony connected to the San Antonio Spurs from what he is hearing is Joan Beringer, Thomas Sorber and Cedric Coward

I'd be happy with Joan & Coward. Keep Sorber away from me

[Mr. Body]

Oof.

Givony has been swearing on Joan to the Spurs for a while. He had Joan going there way before he was on anyone's radar.

For my part, god I hope not. Beringer screams Tidjane Salaun to me. I wasn't able to accept the Spurs were actually thinking about Salaun last year, and I still don't. Just a total non-basketball player. Salaun actually has skills Beringer doesn't, like a jump shot.

I'm not excited about Cedric Coward, either. He doesn't seem that athletic and his stats are all against sub-par competition. It's... good? Not like J-Will who did it in Division 1. I guess the strength is good, but the rest is pretty good, I guess. Just don't know about this one.

I'm okay with Sorber.

[Mugen]

Writing off Saluan after a rookie season where Ball/Miller were continuously hurt still cracks me up tbh. Guy was always a 2-3 year project regardless of where he landed and the Spurs were absolutely about to pick him at #8 tbh :lol

[Mr. Body]

Writing off Saluan after a rookie season where Ball/Miller were continuously hurt still cracks me up tbh. Guy was always a 2-3 year project regardless of where he landed and the Spurs were absolutely about to pick him at #8 tbh :lol

You really need to start watching basketball games. The guy was entirely clueless. It was a wreck. Go check out Hornets fans on him. They're already out. He's got enthusiasm, I'll give him that.

You guys whine about the Spurs' bad picks, Salaun would have been the worst pick they ever made.

[LeBowen]

I also think Salaun will never be an NBA player, but I don't get the Beringer comparisons.
I haven't seen that much tape, but Beringer looks like a typical rim-runner with limited skillset and not someone who doesn't know how to actually play basketball.

[Mugen]

You really need to start watching basketball games. The guy was entirely clueless. It was a wreck. Go check out Hornets fans on him. They're already out. He's got enthusiasm, I'll give him that.

You guys whine about the Spurs' bad picks, Salaun would have been the worst pick they ever made.

:lol If PATFO had picked Saluan last year, you'd be slurping him off like every other FO move just like how you'll be sniffing whoever they pick this year. Or maybe that was just a Pop thing?

[SpursFan86]

I legitimately would rather have Kalkbrenner than Beringer, and that’s not even considering draft position. I would much rather just package 38 + a future SRP or two to move up and grab Kalkbrenner at the end of the first round or beginning of 2nd then use any FRP on Beringer.

[Guru of Nothing]

Two days before draft and I'm feeling firm liking Sorber, Coward, and Beringer at the 14 in that order. Would feel okay if we traded out to replenish capital too.

[Mr. Body]

:lol If PATFO had picked Saluan last year, you'd be slurping him off like every other FO move just like how you'll be sniffing whoever they pick this year. Or maybe that was just a Pop thing?

No, I would have fucking hated it.

I'm not like you crew who pre-decide your position and then just whatever happens you still go with it. Man, there are still people here who claim this team isn't doing anything. It's like you're MAGA. No matter what changes happen, you're still bitching and moaning. Before the draft, I hated Salaun. If they drafted him, I would have hated the pick.

[Seventyniner]

Backup big at #14 and third stringer in free agency, or backup with some/all of the MLE and third stringer at #38 make sense.

[Mr. Body]

If OKC really wants Sorber, and I'm not sure they do, they'll likely trade up to ensure they get him away from SAS.

[Tyrone Jenkins]

I'd go with stretch 4-D (starter) who can be backup 5.

Fleming, Bryant, Sorber, Newell, McNeely (in that order)

[CorrectCrusader]

First of all, Beringer is a center. Idk how you can compare him to Tidjaune when their roles in the NBA will be completely different. Dude has excellent mobility for his size & can jump. He'll be an excellent lob thread & decent rim protector right out of the gate.

[spurraider21]

drafting a toosly athlete to be a rim running shotblocking center is a better bet than doing so at a different position. i wouldnt compare them 1 to 1

i still dont like the idea of taking beringer at 14, but taking him at 14 would not be nearly as bad as taking salaun at 8 last year

[poopbox]

losing one of our few competent shooters in Vassell as the means to acquire an undersized non-shooter in Fears would not be a good thing

the spurs have 0 need for Fears. he is a score first point guard. we have Fox, Harper, Castle. why the urgency not only to add fears, but to trade up for him?

I don't want Fears either but I don't think Devin is a competent shooter. Not consistent enough. I think he needs to be one of the best shooters in the league to justify his playing time because he doesn't get to the rim nearly enough.

Spurs don't have a need for Harper either. He has years, maybe his entire rookie contract, to go before he could even be as good as Fox is. But the Spurs are going to draft him anyway at two no questions asked.

[spurraider21]

I don't want Fears either but I don't think Devin is a competent shooter. Not consistent enough. I think he needs to be one of the best shooters in the league to justify his playing time because he doesn't get to the rim nearly enough.

Spurs don't have a need for Harper either. He has years, maybe his entire rookie contract, to go before he could even be as good as Fox is. But the Spurs are going to draft him anyway at two no questions asked.
devin's shooting isnt good enough to be a specialist (which is what we need from that spot) but he is clearly a competent shooter

[sfernald]

First of all, Beringer is a center. Idk how you can compare him to Tidjaune when their roles in the NBA will be completely different. Dude has excellent mobility for his size & can jump. He'll be an excellent lob thread & decent rim protector right out of the gate.

idk I’ve watched a lot of his tape and it seems like there’s something off with him. Something off with his processing that makes me think he’ll be the next Jaxon Hayes instead of Rudy Gobert. I like Essengue a lot better when it comes to French bigs.

[CorrectCrusader]

idk I’ve watched a lot of his tape and it seems like there’s something off with him. Something off with his processing that makes me think he’ll be the next Jaxon Hayes instead of Rudy Gobert. I like Essengue a lot better when it comes to French bigs.

I think Essengue is the better prospect but I doubt he'll be there.
I'm pretty sure Joan has only played basketball for 3-4 years so that's probably what you're sensing.

[spurraider21]

idk I’ve watched a lot of his tape and it seems like there’s something off with him. Something off with his processing that makes me think he’ll be the next Jaxon Hayes instead of Rudy Gobert. I like Essengue a lot better when it comes to French bigs.
i wouldnt even hate jaxon hayes as the backup C :lol... but id rather just fill that role with a cheap FA than a #14 pick

[LeBowen]

Spurs don't have a need for Harper either.

We absolutely need another point guard to replace CP3.
Harper being overqualified for the backup role is just a bonus.

[Mr. Body]

idk I’ve watched a lot of his tape and it seems like there’s something off with him. Something off with his processing that makes me think he’ll be the next Jaxon Hayes instead of Rudy Gobert. I like Essengue a lot better when it comes to French bigs.

Beringer is straight up bad. You're completely correct.

It's this bizarre philosophy that you can take a body with great measurements and he's going to magically learn to play basketball. There are elements you absolutely have to see straight off and they're not there. This never, ever works.

[poopbox]

We absolutely need another point guard to replace CP3.
Harper being overqualified for the backup role is just a bonus.

That's essentially saying your using the no 2 pick to draft a backup point guard for somewhere between 1 and 4 years :rollin

Between Fox, Castle, and Harper, someone is primarily a backup. That's either a top 5 pick being a backup, an all nba caliber player being a backup, or the no 2 pick being a backup:rollin

Not ideal especially with all the other glaring holes on this team.

[scott]

The bickering is increasing in the forum... draft day is almost here!

[Guru of Nothing]

The bickering is increasing in the forum... draft day is almost here!

No it isn't.

[LeBowen]

That's essentially saying your using the no 2 pick to draft a backup point guard for somewhere between 1 and 4 years :rollin

No, it's just that your reading comprehension is horrible.
We needed a backup and we got much more.
Your average backup would be getting 15ish mpg and we'd get a backup SG, Harper can easily play 30+.


Between Fox, Castle, and Harper, someone is primarily a backup. That's either a top 5 pick being a backup, an all nba caliber player being a backup, or the no 2 pick being a backup:rollin

96 minutes available at guard positions and Castle can easily play SF in most matchups. If Harper and Castle improve their 3pt shooting, there won't be any issue with all 3 of them playing together.
Until then, two can always be on the floor and whoever is doing better on that given night closes the game out. Nothing like healthy competition between teammates.
If it becomes another Fox/Haliburton situation a few years down the road, we trade one of them and get a haul. Win/win.


Not ideal especially with all the other glaring holes on this team.

Two glaring holes are backup C and starting PF.
Backup C isn't worth spending assets on, we'll either get one with #14 or for cheap via trade/FA.

There's no starting PF available in the draft who'd make an immediate impact, so I don't see the point of connecting that issue with Harper pick.

[Mr. Body]

No it isn't.

Yes it is.

[RC_Drunkford]

My guess what the Spurs are thinking:

at the 14th pick
Plan A is Maluach
Plan B is Sorber
Plan C is Beringer
and if all else fails, Coward

I don’t think they have any plans to trade up at all. They have contingencies for every scenario and while Maluach (if he’s their target) is a longshot, they have to make a plan if he does slip to 14th.

take out Beringer and that would be my top 3 in that range as well. I don’t want Beringer because he‘s 2 years away from being 2 years away. He‘s a draft and stash project that can easily bust.

You can draft a player like that in the second round, but not at 14

[RC_Drunkford]

Oof.

Givony has been swearing on Joan to the Spurs for a while. He had Joan going there way before he was on anyone's radar.

For my part, god I hope not. Beringer screams Tidjane Salaun to me. I wasn't able to accept the Spurs were actually thinking about Salaun last year, and I still don't. Just a total non-basketball player. Salaun actually has skills Beringer doesn't, like a jump shot.

I'm not excited about Cedric Coward, either. He doesn't seem that athletic and his stats are all against sub-par competition. It's... good? Not like J-Will who did it in Division 1. I guess the strength is good, but the rest is pretty good, I guess. Just don't know about this one.

I'm okay with Sorber.

Cedric Coward top 6 in every athletic category in the combine

Ms. Body: „he doesn’t seem that athletic“

[Degoat]

I recommend if anyone hasn’t to check out the 2024 McDonald’s all star game on YouTube! Harper dominated the game!! They’re divisive prospects but I don’t think Tre Johnson or Derik Queen will fail in the NBA… Ace Bailey and Liam Mcneeley played awful lol

[Mr. Body]

Cedric Coward top 6 in every athletic category in the combine

Ms. Body: „he doesn’t seem that athletic“

I've said over and over, I don't give a shit about the combine. Look at him on the court. He's not using it, if he's a workout marvel. He has good strength, sure, but on the court he's a functional athlete, nothing more.

[Mr. Body]

I recommend if anyone hasn’t to check out the 2024 McDonald’s all star game on YouTube! Harper dominated the game!! They’re divisive prospects but I don’t think Tre Johnson or Derik Queen will fail in the NBA… Ace Bailey and Liam Mcneeley played awful lol

I think Tre is an amazing shooter and could be really good. And speaking of combine measurements, again I don't give a shit, because Derik Queen moves in space phenomenally well for a player his size.

[RC_Drunkford]

I've said over and over, I don't give a shit about the combine. Look at him on the court. He's not using it, if he's a workout marvel. He has good strength, sure, but on the court he's a functional athlete, nothing more.

he has the same vertical as VJ Edgecombe, who's the most athletic player in the entire draft you dumb fuck.

Like "no, he doesn't use it. He never jumps in a game." Make it make sense.

[Mr. Body]

he has the same vertical as VJ Edgecombe, who's the most athletic player in the entire draft you dumb fuck

Cool, draft him into your high jump team. Edgecombe actually uses his capabilities on the court. Coward is fine. Go jack him off if you want.

[Eaglenole2002]

At the risk of being called a dumbfuck, I came away underwhelmed by Coward’s athleticism, particularly his agility. It doesn’t look like he moves his feet well side to side.

[Mr. Body]

At the risk of being called a dumbfuck, I came away underwhelmed by Coward’s athleticism, particularly his agility. It doesn’t look like he moves his feet well side to side.

I agree with you, you dumbfuck.

[Ice009]

I'll give an example. Amare Stoudemire looked amazingly athletic, but his lateral movement was very poor. Being able to jump high doesn't always mean you're a great athlete. There's more to it than that.

[DesignatedT]

Lane Agility Time:
Coward - 10.97 seconds
Edgecombe - 11.27 seconds
Harper - 11.07 seconds

Shuttle Run:
Coward - 3.02 seconds
Edgecombe - 2.93 seconds
Harper - 3.05 seconds

3 Quarter Sprint:
Coward - 3.06 seconds
Edgecome - 3.20 seconds
Harper - 3.16 seconds

[scott]

Starting to think about PHO as a potential Derik Queen landing spot... I think I kind of like it for them (and not in a sadistic kind of way, but in an actual basketball kind of way)

[Mr. Body]

Starting to think about PHO as a potential Derik Queen landing spot... I think I kind of like it for them (and not in a sadistic kind of way, but in an actual basketball kind of way)

Agree. He can be a really interesting high post and secondary facilitator on a team with no real point guards at the moment.

[poopbox]

No, it's just that your reading comprehension is horrible.
We needed a backup and we got much more.
Your average backup would be getting 15ish mpg and we'd get a backup SG, Harper can easily play 30+.



96 minutes available at guard positions and Castle can easily play SF in most matchups. If Harper and Castle improve their 3pt shooting, there won't be any issue with all 3 of them playing together.
Until then, two can always be on the floor and whoever is doing better on that given night closes the game out. Nothing like healthy competition between teammates.
If it becomes another Fox/Haliburton situation a few years down the road, we trade one of them and get a haul. Win/win.



Two glaring holes are backup C and starting PF.
Backup C isn't worth spending assets on, we'll either get one with #14 or for cheap via trade/FA.

There's no starting PF available in the draft who'd make an immediate impact, so I don't see the point of connecting that issue with Harper pick.

I wouldn't say Castle can "easily" play SF. He has size and strength advantages at the point and 2 guard spot. Bump him up to SF and he is just guarding and trying to score on players his size or slightly larger. At the guard spot Castle could be a really good player. At SF he is just another SF who can't shoot.

People talk about if they can improve their shooting they can play together...the issue is that the majority of guards who come into the league and can't shoot...never actually become good shooters. To say that Castle and Harper are both going to learn to shoot, and they need to be able to shoot enough that teams will actually guard them and create space, is a bit of a reach. Add to that the spurs being just a bad shooting team in general and unless significant changes are made in coaching and training I don't see either one ever being that good of a shooter. It's historical data for a reason.

I think power forward is completely off the table for the Spurs as they are not going to do anything to disrupt pet cat Sochan minutes. No way they bring in a power forward to compete with him, his already fragile ego would shatter into a thousand pieces and he'd go back to having an even more ridiculous hitch in his shot if they did.

[Mr. Body]

Lane Agility Time:
Coward - 10.97 seconds
Edgecombe - 11.27 seconds
Harper - 11.07 seconds

Shuttle Run:
Coward - 3.02 seconds
Edgecombe - 2.93 seconds
Harper - 3.05 seconds

3 Quarter Sprint:
Coward - 3.06 seconds
Edgecome - 3.20 seconds
Harper - 3.16 seconds

That's it: I'm drafting Coward at #2.

[exstatic]

Lane Agility Time:
Coward - 10.97 seconds
Edgecombe - 11.27 seconds
Harper - 11.07 seconds

Shuttle Run:
Coward - 3.02 seconds
Edgecombe - 2.93 seconds
Harper - 3.05 seconds

3 Quarter Sprint:
Coward - 3.06 seconds
Edgecome - 3.20 seconds
Harper - 3.16 seconds

That Harper kid seems pretty good for a player not touted as one of the better athletes in this class.

[poopbox]

I'll give an example. Amare Stoudemire looked amazingly athletic, but his lateral movement was very poor. Being able to jump high doesn't always mean you're a great athlete. There's more to it than that.

But Amare was a great athlete. He was a top big in the game until his knees and thus athleticism went away.

[Mr. Body]

But Amare was a great athlete. He was a top big in the game until his knees and thus athleticism went away.

Lol, did you even read what you're responding to?

[poopbox]

Lol, did you even read what you're responding to?

I know a guy who had an awful head injury in a car wreck to the point he can't talk longer than 5 minutes without suffering nosebleeds that get so severe he has passed out from loss of blood...

100% positive that guys brain works better than yours.

[CorrectCrusader]

I know a guy who had an awful head injury in a car wreck to the point he can't talk longer than 5 minutes without suffering nosebleeds that get so severe he has passed out from loss of blood...

100% positive that guys brain works better than yours.

goodness this site makes me laugh sometimes

[LeBowen]

I wouldn't say Castle can "easily" play SF. He has size and strength advantages at the point and 2 guard spot. Bump him up to SF and he is just guarding and trying to score on players his size or slightly larger. At the guard spot Castle could be a really good player. At SF he is just another SF who can't shoot.

I agree that we shouldn't be taking away Castle's size advantage, but he's got enough size for most SF matchups.
Ideally Harper/Castle are close to all-star level within 3 years and Fox gets moved.


People talk about if they can improve their shooting they can play together...the issue is that the majority of guards who come into the league and can't shoot...never actually become good shooters.

There are levels to it.
I don't follow college basketball, but Castle was advertised as almost a Sochan level non-shooter.
But he's shown big improvements over the course of the season. And I'm not talking about percentages, but his willingness to take 3pts on the move, off the dribble and a few steps behind the line.
I've said it many times, the gap between a non-shooter (Sochan in this case) and a bad shooter (which Castle definitely is) is bigger than the gap between a bad shooter and a good shooter.

As for becoming good shooters, that's on Spurs shooting coaches who have been subpar over the past years.
Dejounte didn't even have a jumpshot when he entered the league, he was shooting floaters from the 3pt line.
Derrick's shooting was also rough and Celtics fixed during the first summer after the trade.


To say that Castle and Harper are both going to learn to shoot, and they need to be able to shoot enough that teams will actually guard them and create space, is a bit of a reach.

We don't need them to be better than 33-35% if we get legit wing shooters.
OKC just won with their 3 best players shooting 28-30% from 3pt in the playoffs.


I think power forward is completely off the table for the Spurs as they are not going to do anything to disrupt pet cat Sochan minutes. No way they bring in a power forward to compete with him, his already fragile ego would shatter into a thousand pieces and he'd go back to having an even more ridiculous hitch in his shot if they did.

If that's the case, we're fucked and there's nothing to talk about. :lol
But I don't think it's the case. To me it was obvious Mitch wanted to reduce his role, but didn't have the authority because he was the interim.
We'll have no room to fuck around in the upcoming season and Sochan can't play that much unless he makes miraculous jumpshot improvements.

Fox is an all-star.
Castle is the ROTY.
Harper is the #2.
All of them are way higher on Spurs priority list than Sochan, we can't accomodate a 4th year player who made no improvements over the past 3 years just because he's a Rodman cosplayer.

[CorrectCrusader]

I agree that we shouldn't be taking away Castle's size advantage, but he's got enough size for most SF matchups.
Ideally Harper/Castle are close to all-star level within 3 years and Fox gets moved.



There are levels to it.
I don't follow college basketball, but Castle was advertised as almost a Sochan level non-shooter.
But he's shown big improvements over the course of the season. And I'm not talking about percentages, but his willingness to take 3pts on the move, off the dribble and a few steps behind the line.
I've said it many times, the gap between a non-shooter (Sochan in this case) and a bad shooter (which Castle definitely is) is bigger than the gap between a bad shooter and a good shooter.

As for becoming good shooters, that's on Spurs shooting coaches who have been subpar over the past years.
Dejounte didn't even have a jumpshot when he entered the league, he was shooting floaters from the 3pt line.
Derrick's shooting was also rough and Celtics fixed during the first summer after the trade.



We don't need them to be better than 33-35% if we get legit wing shooters.
OKC just won with their 3 best players shooting 28-30% from 3pt in the playoffs.



If that's the case, we're fucked and there's nothing to talk about. :lol
But I don't think it's the case. To me it was obvious Mitch wanted to reduce his role, but didn't have the authority because he was the interim.
We'll have no room to fuck around in the upcoming season and Sochan can't play that much unless he makes miraculous jumpshot improvements.

Fox is an all-star.
Castle is the ROTY.
Harper is the #2.
All of them are way higher on Spurs priority list than Sochan, we can't accomodate a 4th year player who made no improvements over the past 3 years just because he's a Rodman cosplayer.

Kinda crazy when you think about it, he's made so little improvements in his nba career

[scott]

Kinda crazy when you think about it, he's made so little improvements in his nba career

But he's only 21! And did you see the latest workout video?!?

[spurraider21]

I'll give an example. Amare Stoudemire looked amazingly athletic, but his lateral movement was very poor. Being able to jump high doesn't always mean you're a great athlete. There's more to it than that.
if you are trying to paint amare stoudemire as anything other than a resounding success you are doing something wrong

[LeBowen]

Kinda crazy when you think about it, he's made so little improvements in his nba career

We have to be fair and admit that he got the short end of the stick in multiple seasons.
First with that point guard experiment and then as a backup big.
He's a wing and can't play any other role.
But his lack of shooting was the main reason for him getting moved to different roles.

I just can't be optimistic about his shot because he didn't make any improvement over three seasons with no pressure to win.
I'm sure Wright won't go into the summer relying on Sochan's miraculous jumpshot improvement, we can't risk it.

Keep him, but he needs to show he's worth an extension, he's not an integral part of the project anymore.

[scottspurs]

I’m the biggest Cedric Coward fan here but even I will tell you he is not the quickest side to side athlete. He got beat a lot off the dribble then made up for it with his length. He is an elite post defender because of his strength but still has strides to make as a perimeter defender. He is average at best on ball. I think he can make massive improvements though because he has never really had great coaching or been on a defensive oriented team.

[Mr. Body]

I know a guy who had an awful head injury in a car wreck to the point he can't talk longer than 5 minutes without suffering nosebleeds that get so severe he has passed out from loss of blood...

100% positive that guys brain works better than yours.

No, I'm serious here. The guy said that Amare didn't have great lateral mobility despite being able to jump high, then you rushed in to shout: but he could jump high!

Like, five year olds aren't this illiterate. What's up with you?

[SpursGenius]

Really not liking the Beringer rumors. He’s fine as a late first type of guy, but getting him at 14 would be very disappointing IMO.
What are the rumors ?

[Mr. Body]

I’m the biggest Cedric Coward fan here but even I will tell you he is not the quickest side to side athlete. He got beat a lot off the dribble then made up for it with his length. He is an elite post defender because of his strength but still has strides to make as a perimeter defender. He is average at best on ball. I think he can make massive improvements though because he has never really had great coaching or been on a defensive oriented team.

There's plenty of tape of him recovering on excellent weak side blocks. His length gets him nice steals in passing lanes. But there's plenty of tape of white dudes in the Sky conference blowing by him. It's definitely a concern. He could catch up to some of them, but in the NBA those are posters.

His block percentage is pretty good, btw, but his steal rate was really surprisingly low. Not sure if that was scheme or not. He didn't get many steals.

[SpursFan86]

What are the rumors ?

Mainly just Givony from ESPN, but he's been mocking Beringer to us for a while now and reports that there's interest on the Spurs' side.

[Degoat]

I wouldn’t mind Beringer, feel like it’s smoke tho

[SpursGenius]

No, it's just that your reading comprehension is horrible.
We needed a backup and we got much more.
Your average backup would be getting 15ish mpg and we'd get a backup SG, Harper can easily play 30+.



96 minutes available at guard positions and Castle can easily play SF in most matchups. If Harper and Castle improve their 3pt shooting, there won't be any issue with all 3 of them playing together.
Until then, two can always be on the floor and whoever is doing better on that given night closes the game out. Nothing like healthy competition between teammates.
If it becomes another Fox/Haliburton situation a few years down the road, we trade one of them and get a haul. Win/win.

Rasheer Fleming says hi

Two glaring holes are backup C and starting PF.
Backup C isn't worth spending assets on, we'll either get one with #14 or for cheap via trade/FA.

There's no starting PF available in the draft who'd make an immediate impact, so I don't see the point of connecting that issue with Harper pick.

[scottspurs]

Joan Beringer would be a reach but if you want to look at the positives. He was a soccer goalie for most of his life and that shows with his elite hands and reactionary instincts. Best shot blocker in this class and shows promise as a rebounder. Guy runs up and down the court like a gazelle and gives max effort. If you set him up he can finish at the rim at a high rate like most rim running bigs. Great athlete with excellent length.

After that it’s all negative. Dude is literally still learning basketball. 1st started playing 40 months ago. He can’t shoot, he can’t dribble. He doesn’t understand positioning on either side of the ball. Hasn’t learned some of most basic fundamentals of basketball. He gets completely lost on the court at times. You can’t get a more raw prospect. If the spurs draft him you would hope that they have a development plan. I would be shocked if he played more than garbage time for the Spurs next season. I’m sure he would spend alot of time in Austin. Possibly even be a draft and stash.

[BatManu20]

Hopefully teams tell them to fuck off.

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[mo7888]

Hopefully teams tell them to fuck off.

1937265333200408763

To get top 5 would mean moving JJ and Dyson I'd think and would preced a Trae trade.

[Seventyniner]

Hopefully teams tell them to fuck off.

I would be just fine with the Hawks stripping their depth to get a #5 pick that isn't likely to produce a ton of wins as a rookie/sophomore.

[scott]

Joan Beringer would be a reach but if you want to look at the positives. He was a soccer goalie for most of his life and that shows with his elite hands and reactionary instincts. Best shot blocker in this class and shows promise as a rebounder. Guy runs up and down the court like a gazelle and gives max effort. If you set him up he can finish at the rim at a high rate like most rim running bigs. Great athlete with excellent length.

After that it’s all negative. Dude is literally still learning basketball. 1st started playing 40 months ago. He can’t shoot, he can’t dribble. He doesn’t understand positioning on either side of the ball. Hasn’t learned some of most basic fundamentals of basketball. He gets completely lost on the court at times. You can’t get a more raw prospect. If the spurs draft him you would hope that they have a development plan. I would be shocked if he played more than garbage time for the Spurs next season. I’m sure he would spend alot of time in Austin. Possibly even be a draft and stash.

Sounds like an exaggerated version of the Charles Bassey experience (though Charles had a much longer history of organized basketball)

[Dejounte]

https://x.com/allenanalysis/status/1937258381447688517?s=46

Are we still sure about drafting Maluach? RC_Drunkford

[Dejounte]

I bet the two “workout meetings” with the Spurs was just the org doing a classy move of helping Khaman figure out how to navigate his deportation concerns

[Mugen]

:lol Forgot about the immigration status. F'n insane that that should be a very real factor to consider but here we are tbh.

[Spurs Brazil]

Vecenie update his Top 100 prospects list and put Beringer at 13

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6414203/2025/06/10/nba-draft-guide-2025-top-100-prospects-cooper-flagg/

[Dejounte]

It would not surprise me if Trump does fuck with the spurs and deported khaman out of spite because of all of pop’s past comments towards him. We’ve seen him take action against harvard, governors, senators, and everyone who opposes him.

[rascal]

Good chance Ace Bailey will be drafted by Phil and traded to Brooklyn on draft night

Brooklyn is going to want to jump ahead of Wash and with 4 picks have enough to offer a package for Bailey

[LeBowen]

We need to hire Thibs as an assistant so he can keep yelling ICE on every screen. :lol

[Mr. Body]

All you have to do is send Trump a million dollars and he'll change the law for you.

[scottspurs]

Adam Finkelstein from CBS sports is reporting that Victor Wembanyama no longer wants to play the 5 and has told the Franchise. He believes the Spurs are aggressively trying to trade up for Khaman Maluach or another big. If they get wiped out they could target a wing like Cedric Coward or trade back.

[Dejounte]

Adam Finkelstein from CBS sports is reporting that Victor Wembanyama no longer wants to play the 5 and has told the Franchise. He believes the Spurs are aggressively trying to trade up for Khaman Maluach or another big. If they get wiped out they could target a wing like Cedric Coward or trade back.

link?

Sorry to all those who thought that we would get another shooter in the lineup when this report makes it obvious that theyre not prioritizing that in the front court. They want a bruiser in the middle and Wemby is our shooting 4. Something many have opposed for a while. Sucks doesnt it DAF86 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=11102)

[scottspurs]

Let me figure out how to post YouTube lol

[scottspurs]

link?

Sorry to all those who thought that we would get another shooter in the lineup when this report makes it obvious that theyre not prioritizing that in the front court. They want a bruiser in the middle and Wemby is our shooting 4. Something many have opposed for a while. Sucks doesnt it DAF86 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=11102)

https://youtu.be/P0wkPtyS3cM?si=HtQf41bghgRwfi1G

[scottspurs]

link?

Sorry to all those who thought that we would get another shooter in the lineup when this report makes it obvious that theyre not prioritizing that in the front court. They want a bruiser in the middle and Wemby is our shooting 4. Something many have opposed for a while. Sucks doesnt it DAF86 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=11102)

spurs intel at 17:44 into video

[SpursFan86]

Fucker went to China and came back thinking he’s a PG :pctoss

[scottspurs]

Unless this is a massive smokescreen the Spurs are drafting a big at 14. When your franchise player says he wants to play the 4 you play him as a 4. They could also draft a wing and look for a big in free agency but that would clearly be option B

[scott]

Found these implied odds based on betting action to be quite interesting

https://i.redd.it/3vl64d1rgr8f1.png

[SpursFan86]

Tbh it doesn’t sound like Wemby to say he “doesn’t want to play center”. I think he doesn’t want to be limited by position regardless of which position label he has. He doesn’t want to be put into any sort of box, but that’s different than him saying “hey I don’t want to be the main interior presence on our team”. The latter type of statement just doesn’t sound like him but who knows. Either way it’s certainly interesting.

[scottspurs]

At the end of the video Finkelstein says the 2nd workout for Khaman Maluach was very unusual and that Malauch’s agent would not have granted permission unless they believed the Spurs had a chance of getting him. Maybe the Spurs have a potential deal in place. He strongly believes the Spurs will acquire a Center to please Wemby. I agree if true

[scott]

Chaz Lanier seems to be who every mock gives us at 38, but I've seen nothing to connect him to the Spurs. Fwiw

[Seventyniner]

I can bet $22,223 to win $100 that Flagg doesn't get picked in the top 2? Sounds like free money with only 2 days left till the draft.

Then again I bet this guy thought betting on Virginia was free money too.

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[scott]

Final Game Theory mock draft going to start LIVE in a few moments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxaZmlLOI9Q


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxaZmlLOI9Q

[spurraider21]

https://youtu.be/P0wkPtyS3cM?si=HtQf41bghgRwfi1G


spurs intel at 17:44 into video
the weird thing is he himself says "reportedly" as if he's getting this from some other report

[scottspurs]

Sounds like Sam Vecenie may be getting the same intel as Finkelstein:

Khaman Maluach | 7-1 big | 19 years old | DukeThe Raptors have entertained discussions in a wide variety of directions, league sources indicate. They were in the mix for Kevin Durant before he was traded to the Rockets on Sunday. They could look to move down if the player they want isn’t available at No. 9. It’s worth noting as well that Maluach is a player that has become the subject of trade speculation league-wide, with several late lottery teams interested in sliding up the board to acquire him.

[scottspurs]

Final Game Theory mock draft going to start LIVE in a few moments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxaZmlLOI9Q


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxaZmlLOI9Q

Maybe he will further drop some Spurs BIG intel

[SpursBills]

Found these implied odds based on betting action to be quite interesting

https://i.redd.it/3vl64d1rgr8f1.png

As much as I am a fan of the way Jase plays, I wonder if he would have the same odds of being drafted by Phoenix if he went to literally any school other than Michigan State

[T Park]

Watching now. Vecenie is terrific

[PhantomDashCam]

Smokescreen season peeps. My takes FWIW:

- I’m pretty sure Fears worked out/met with Spurs prior to the lottery going down.
They likely ranked him as the second best PG in the class and would’ve been a likely candidate at #8.
Harper would appear to make that moot now.

- I buy the intel the Spurs are looking for a big but don’t that it comes from Wemby saying he doesn’t want to play C.
I also can’t see them taking a true project like Essengue or Beringer when it’s likely their rookie contract is coming to an end before they actually have an impact. Wouldn’t surprise me if they look at Sharpe from Brooklyn in FA/Draft trade scenarios or Mark Williams from Charlotte (who Phoenix will likely have an interest in too).

- Rotation wise: Fox, Castle, Keldon, Vassell, Barnes, Sochan, Wemby, Harper (8 guys for those playing at home), would all figure to get significant minutes. We are likely looking at two more pieces to be factors in the rotation throughout the course of the season (one, if point two comes to fruition). I think Branham or Wesley will be given a chance to be a part of the 10 man rotation initially too based on continuity and possible Off-season improvements.

[T Park]

Found these implied odds based on betting action to be quite interesting

https://i.redd.it/3vl64d1rgr8f1.png

The 1.3% on Harper at one is 100% betters with money to burn saying “Nico is retarded, he might just do this”

[spurraider21]

backup C is clearly an issue for the spurs. for the last couple of years theyve been pretty disastrous with wemby off the court. collins was a clossal bust after signing his extension. bassey has been ok-ish but hant really developed, keeps getting hurt, and is still a little undersized. they had sochan playing center a lot last year. bismack biyombo played 10 games total in 23-24 and was a free agent until the spurs signed him off the scrap heap and he started 26 games down the stretch. memu spent a lot of time at center.

they will definitely address the position with more urgency than just re-signing bassey or something like that. but i dont think taking a project-ish player like beringer makes sense if they need the C help now. i dont think playing the long game and developing some talent over the course of a couple of years makes sense. its too much work for not enough reward. this still will be a backup player even if they pan out. if its not somebody who seems ready to contribute right away like Sorber (assuming his medicals are ok) or Maluach, its not worth a lotto pick for us, and id much rather just attack this need in FA with something more ambitious than signing some vet minimum guy. with some of the Maluach chatter, that tells me the spurs arent sold on Sorber (or its a smokescreen and they do like Sorber)

other than reddit mock drafters, i havent seen any Fleming buzz at 14 at all, though i'd still love that pick at 14. really seems like its Carter Bryant or Cedric Coward here.

vecenie has mocked Coward to the Spurs today as well in his final mock

[scottspurs]

Sam Vecenie believes Cedric Coward has worked out for the Spurs

[scottspurs]

Worked out/met with Spurs Tracker


LJ Cryer, Guard - Houston
Micah Peavy, Forward - Georgetown
RJ Felton, Guard - East Carolina
Jeremiah Fears, Guard - Oklahoma
John Tonje, Guard - Wisconsin
Sean Pedulla, Guard - Ole Miss
Thomas Sorber, Big - Georgetown
Cam Carter, Guard - LSU
Javon Small, Guard - West Virginia
Obinna Anochili-Killen, Forward - Marshall
Zeke Mayo, Guard - Kansas
Khaman Maluach, Big - Duke
Danny Wolf, Big - Michigan
Egor Demin, Forward - BYU
Dylan Harper, Guard - Rutgers
Dylan Cardwell, Big - Auburn
Kobe Sanders, Guard - Nevada
Taelon Peter, Guard - Liberty
Joan Beringer, Big - France
Cedric Coward, Forward - Washington State


Maxime Raynaud, Big - Stanford
(also worked out with Wemby)


Jalon Moore, Forward- Oklahoma
(Tore his Achilles during workout)


Milos Uzan, Guard - Houston
(Returned to school)h

[T Park]

Coward, Fleming, would be my choices.

Want no part of Beringer Essengue as theyre projects.

Rather would get a reliable big in free agency or trade.

[Dejounte]

Sam Vecenie believes Cedric Coward has worked out for the Spurs

Honestly

A couple months ago I was all in for the team to match Wemby with another big next to him who handles the dirty work and rebound - hence why I’m super high on Sorber.

then it dawned on me that it might be better to follow OKC’s lead and go after relentless defensive, switchable demons. This is why I’ve been high on Powell. And why I would like a Herb Jones archetype at the 4. Coward might be that archetype.

So we will find out what route the Spurs take. Whether they will go all in on the double big/ improved rebounding team approach OR the OKC all switchable players approach. I think they will do the latter since they hired the coach from Dallas since that’s his specialty.

[T Park]

Vecnie thinks Coward is gonna grow into his body and get to 225. Wit that and the wing span, hand size, and pure shooting form, hes my 1A at 14. The fit is too perfect.

[spurraider21]

Honestly

A couple months ago I was all in for the team to match Wemby with another big next to him who handles the dirty work and rebound - hence why I’m super high on Sorber.

then it dawned on me that it might be better to follow OKC’s lead and go after relentless defensive, switchable demons. This is why I’ve been high on Powell. And why I would like a Herb Jones archetype at the 4. Coward might be that archetype.

So we will find out what route the Spurs take. Whether they will go all in on the double big/ improved rebounding team approach OR the OKC all switchable players approach. I think they will do the latter since they hired the coach from Dallas since that’s his specialty.
Coward has a pretty similar build to J-Dub who plays everything from 2-4 for OKC

Height

Coward - 6' 5.25
J-Dub - 6' 4.5


Wingspan

Coward - 7' 2.25
J-Dub - 7' 2.25


Standing Reach

Coward - 8'10
J-Dub - 8' 9.5


Weight (at combine, J-Dub has gotten bigger)

Coward - 213
J-Dub - 209


coward has also been a high% 3pt shooter each year (on low volume in year 1). theres a lot to like there. red flag with him is age (will be 22 when season starts) and competition level. but the physical tools and player profile is there. at the very least seems like a perfect replacement for KJ off the bench, an alternative to champagnie with more physical upside

[scottspurs]

Honestly

A couple months ago I was all in for the team to match Wemby with another big next to him who handles the dirty work and rebound - hence why I’m super high on Sorber.

then it dawned on me that it might be better to follow OKC’s lead and go after relentless defensive, switchable demons. This is why I’ve been high on Powell. And why I would like a Herb Jones archetype at the 4. Coward might be that archetype.

So we will find out what route the Spurs take. Whether they will go all in on the double big/ improved rebounding team approach OR the OKC all switchable players approach. I think they will do the latter since they hired the coach from Dallas since that’s his specialty.

Wednesday is going to be super interesting. A lot of the rumors might be smokescreens. Wemby doesn’t want to play the 5 would be the best smokescreen of all-time. I’m not sure what rumors to believe but I think we will find out a little bit of the truth come Wednesday night. If the Spurs trade up for a big or draft one at 14 the rumors could definitely be true. Especially if the Spurs give up future draft capital. That would signal to me they did what they had to make Wemby happy. If it’s a smokescreen the Spurs could totally go wing/forward at 14 and Cedric Coward would be atop that list for me.

[DAF86]

link?

Sorry to all those who thought that we would get another shooter in the lineup when this report makes it obvious that theyre not prioritizing that in the front court. They want a bruiser in the middle and Wemby is our shooting 4. Something many have opposed for a while. Sucks doesnt it DAF86 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=11102)

Of course it sucks 'cause this would mean the Spurs won't maximize their potential. Hopefully this is just made up BS and Wemby doesn't become another Anthony Davis that spends his entire career bitching about playing C.

It won't matter anyway, because when the chips are down the franchise will revert back to what works best and inevitably play Wemby at center.

In any case, I have always said I'm not against pairing Wemby with a frontcourt player that can matchup with the Jokics and Senguns of this World. What I don't get is why you are so hell bent on that player not being able to shoot threes. :lol

A player that takes on the physical beating of matching up with opposing centers, while staying on the wing on offense and provide spacing. Can we all agree that's the type of player we should get and not a guy that will just stand below the rim, fucking up the spacing?

[scott]

Have the courage to draft a Coward

[DAF86]

Have the courage to draft a Coward

7'2 wingspan with a silky jumper. He's my #1 target at 14.

[Dejounte]

Coward has a pretty similar build to J-Dub who plays everything from 2-4 for OKC

Height

Coward - 6' 5.25
J-Dub - 6' 4.5


Wingspan

Coward - 7' 2.25
J-Dub - 7' 2.25


Standing Reach

Coward - 8'10
J-Dub - 8' 9.5


Weight (at combine, J-Dub has gotten bigger)

Coward - 213
J-Dub - 209


coward has also been a high% 3pt shooter each year (on low volume in year 1). theres a lot to like there. red flag with him is age (will be 22 when season starts) and competition level. but the physical tools and player profile is there. at the very least seems like a perfect replacement for KJ off the bench, an alternative to champagnie with more physical upside

I’m less focused on size and more focused on lateral quickness. My eyes were glued to the screen trying to figure out what makes OKC’s scheme work so well and it’s just that their players are so quick on their feet to get to their spots. Getting beat by their man was so rare. They are so much quicker than Vassell for example, and you’d look at Vassell and think that his build looks like he should be quick on the floor but he’s not. I’m comparing tape between Carter Bryant and Coward and Carter doesn’t move like he should out there. His saving grace is his length and size but I think I’ve seen enough of these types to know that it doesn’t guarantee being a consistently good defender. Coward moves better than him, and his extra length does make me believe he’d actually serve a purpose on defense, and that’s why I’d much prefer him over Bryant. I like to point to Isaiah Roby when it comes to these archetypes and look at how one could be blessed with almost perfect physical tools yet failed as an NBA player. To me, the missing ingredient is just their lack of quickness (and sometimes it’s poor defensive IQ) is why they weren’t successful. I’m rambling.

[bigzak25]

Ok Spurs Fans. I have reviewed the draft board and picked the best players for Our Spurs to solidify a Championship.

With number #2.

Draft:

5. Utah Jazz – Ace Bailey – Wing – Rutgers
Bailey’s workout process (or lack thereof) has been truly bizarre, and with the amount of misdirection surrounding his camp, combined with a tight-lipped Jazz front office, it’s difficult to discern what interest there is from either side in this hypothetical marriage.

Ace Bailey 39 points on 16-29 FG (4–8 3pt)
pic.twitter.com/Wx8xNziX8j

— Greg Finberg (@GregFinberg) June 20, 2025


Even before this rumored slide, Bailey was a mercurial player at Rutgers, recording gaudy scoring numbers, while racking up losses, and head-scratching lowlights.

However, the oversized wing has long been considered a top-three player in this class, a narrative that only seems to have changed in the last week due to mishandling the pre-draft process.

With number #14. Trade UP as needed to draft:

12. Chicago Bulls – Thomas Sorber – Center – Georgetown
The Bulls had the 19th-ranked defense in the NBA, and the 20th-ranked offense last season, meaning they could use an upgrade on either side of the ball.

Luckily, Sorber does a little bit of both due to his soft touch around the rim, shooting upside, and strong steals and blocks numbers.

Sorber has terrific feel on both ends, and could be a great big man to pair with Matas Buzelis in future seasons.

:lobt2:

[ulosturedge]

I am warming up to Coward. I felt at first the Spurs should go with someone taller but he is essentially just a slightly shorter version then Bryant with a bigger wingspan.

My order would be Bryant, Essengue, Coward, Fleming, Sorber, Beringer

[Degoat]

It’s awfully quite in the NBA news cycle, honestly I don’t position matters, spurs should draft whoever they feel is the best prospect. A part of me has wanted a rim running big but we have others needs as well

[spurraider21]

I don’t think Essengue or Beringer should be considered at 14 at all

[T Park]

The no ceilings guys are live on youtube right now, very good stuff, and they have contacts and sources as well, so should be a good watch,

[spurraider21]

Harper #2
Coward #14

trade keldon and seconds for John Collins

sign one of BroLo, Kornet, Capela, Horford, or Hayes to be the backup 5. Ideally whichever you can get for BAE. Bring back Mamu as the “break glass” pf/c

use MLE on ideally Laravia, potentially for NAW. A couple of other names work here but those two i like the most

Fox/Harper/Wesley
Vassell/Champagnie/Coward
Castle/Barnes/LaRavia
Collins/Sochan
Wemby/Kornet/Mamu

most of these guys can move up or down 1 spot as well. Collins can play center in a pinch. LaRavia plays both forward spots. Castle can play 1-3, Devin and champ play 2/3, barnes/laravia can play either forward spot. Harper can play 1/2. Mamu can play 4/5. Just have a lot of versatility with this type of roster

[Twisted_Dawg]

Unless this is a massive smokescreen the Spurs are drafting a big at 14. When your franchise player says he wants to play the 4 you play him as a 4. They could also draft a wing and look for a big in free agency but that would clearly be option B

Listen to the video and the guy says "...reportedly Wemby isn't crazy about playing the five...". That's a rumor and far from actual fact Wemby told the Spurs he doesn't want to play the five. Now I think we all agree Wemby doesn't want to be a full-time five, but not factual he told the Spurs he doesn't want to play the five.

[Holt's Cat]

Take Harper at 2 and then best available player according to your board at 14

No need to overcomplicate this

You are coming off a 34 win season. Yeah I know Wemby and Fox missed time

Wemby, Castle, and Harper are all 21 or under. Take another 21 or under at 14

Nothing better than elite young players on rookie deals

[Holt's Cat]

Keep your future draft capital.

Lotto luck strikes again. #1 again would’ve been perfect. #2 ain’t that bad

You have #38 to roll the dice with, or maybe someone falls there you weren’t expecting

[poopbox]

I’m less focused on size and more focused on lateral quickness. My eyes were glued to the screen trying to figure out what makes OKC’s scheme work so well and it’s just that their players are so quick on their feet to get to their spots. Getting beat by their man was so rare. They are so much quicker than Vassell for example, and you’d look at Vassell and think that his build looks like he should be quick on the floor but he’s not. I’m comparing tape between Carter Bryant and Coward and Carter doesn’t move like he should out there. His saving grace is his length and size but I think I’ve seen enough of these types to know that it doesn’t guarantee being a consistently good defender. Coward moves better than him, and his extra length does make me believe he’d actually serve a purpose on defense, and that’s why I’d much prefer him over Bryant. I like to point to Isaiah Roby when it comes to these archetypes and look at how one could be blessed with almost perfect physical tools yet failed as an NBA player. To me, the missing ingredient is just their lack of quickness (and sometimes it’s poor defensive IQ) is why they weren’t successful. I’m rambling.

It's all of the hilarious fouling they get away with. Nothing more. Nothing less.

[Ice009]

if you are trying to paint amare stoudemire as anything other than a resounding success you are doing something wrong

What I'm saying is, on the surface, Amare looked like a great athlete, but he was a piss poor defender because he didn't have great lateral mobility. I don't consider that a great athlete. TD for example, had pretty good lateral quickness before his injuries. TD was able to move his feet side to side before his knee injuries. Amare was always average/poor in that regard. I consider a younger Tim a better athlete that Amare. It's not just about leaping and north/south movement.

Also, I wasn't questioning Amare as a player, just pointing out that people mostly think of athleticism as being able to jump high and run fast in a straight line. I don't consider that a great athlete if you can't move side to side or be able stick with your man. That doesn't mean you're a poor defender as you can make up for that with length and positioning, but it's going to be harder if you don't have the physical tools. Another example, prime Kawhi is known as a great defender, but he got absolutely blown by in the first round by Monte Ellis in the 2014 playoffs, and he had real trouble sticking with fast guards in general, but he was able to make up for that by still being able to stay in plays with his length and recovery.

[scott]

Harper #2
Coward #14

trade keldon and seconds for John Collins

sign one of BroLo, Kornet, Capela, Horford, or Hayes to be the backup 5. Ideally whichever you can get for BAE. Bring back Mamu as the “break glass” pf/c

use MLE on ideally Laravia, potentially for NAW. A couple of other names work here but those two i like the most

Fox/Harper/Wesley
Vassell/Champagnie/Coward
Castle/Barnes/LaRavia
Collins/Sochan
Wemby/Kornet/Mamu

most of these guys can move up or down 1 spot as well. Collins can play center in a pinch. LaRavia plays both forward spots. Castle can play 1-3, Devin and champ play 2/3, barnes/laravia can play either forward spot. Harper can play 1/2. Mamu can play 4/5. Just have a lot of versatility with this type of roster

Now we're talking. (I'd start Harper at the 2 and stagger, but doesn't matter here). #CastleIsASF

[RC_Drunkford]

https://x.com/allenanalysis/status/1937258381447688517?s=46

Are we still sure about drafting Maluach? RC_Drunkford (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=53010)

the Holts paid Trump a quarter mill for his campaign before. I'm sure that won't be an issue.


San Antonio Spurs Holt family ownership are listed among the 10 biggest donors to the Republican party according to reports. They have made more than $1.4 million in donations.

[Pauleta14]

Tbh it doesn’t sound like Wemby to say he “doesn’t want to play center”. I think he doesn’t want to be limited by position regardless of which position label he has. He doesn’t want to be put into any sort of box, but that’s different than him saying “hey I don’t want to be the main interior presence on our team”. The latter type of statement just doesn’t sound like him but who knows. Either way it’s certainly interesting.

Yeah the phrasing is weird, the reality is that it would be stupid af from the Spurs to limit Wemby at the 5.

Not only it would handicap him athletically (his center of gravity is too high to live in the post) but it'd prevent him from using his skillset

If Spurs find an inside/out big I can see them using a 2 bigs lineup that would be a nightmare to play against

[onechance87]

Listen to the video and the guy says "...reportedly Wemby isn't crazy about playing the five...". That's a rumor and far from actual fact Wemby told the Spurs he doesn't want to play the five. Now I think we all agree Wemby doesn't want to be a full-time five, but not factual he told the Spurs he doesn't want to play the five.

wemby has said in the past he sees himself more of a 4 or perimeter player.Im sure wemby getting annoyed trying to protect the paint
the majority of the game cause his team cant guard nobody one on one.You got guys like vassell and keldon who ballhog and get to do
whatever they want on offence and then dont play d and expect wemby to clean up there mess and help defend cause they give no effort.

[Dejounte]

It's all of the hilarious fouling they get away with. Nothing more. Nothing less.

https://x.com/edeymuse/status/1936979743599108122?s=46

[Dejounte]

To further add onto my point about mobility and lateral quickness, last night Sam Vicence (however you spell it) said the same thing about Joan Beringer. How a player moves on the court with their size is a game changer. That is why teams happen to be high on Beringer despite the lack of skills. It’s not like anyone’s making that up here- teams believe it. That’s why they’re drafting these types high.

[CGD]

TOMORROW

[LeBowen]

To further add onto my point about mobility and lateral quickness, last night Sam Vicence (however you spell it) said the same thing about Joan Beringer. How a player moves on the court with their size is a game changer. That is why teams happen to be high on Beringer despite the lack of skills. It’s not like anyone’s making that up here- teams believe it. That’s why they’re drafting these types high.

Noone is denying that, the issue is that we desperately need a backup big who can contribute right away.
Is it worth using a #14 on this kid while waiting a year or two until he's ready when his ceiling on our roster will be backup big?

[RC_Drunkford]

Noone is denying that, the issue is that we desperately need a backup big who can contribute right away.
Is it worth using a #14 on this kid while waiting a year or two until he's ready when his ceiling on our roster will be backup big?

trust me it will take longer than 2 years...The guy hasn't even played ball for 4 years. He needs another 3-4.

[onechance87]

To further add onto my point about mobility and lateral quickness, last night Sam Vicence (however you spell it) said the same thing about Joan Beringer. How a player moves on the court with their size is a game changer. That is why teams happen to be high on Beringer despite the lack of skills. It’s not like anyone’s making that up here- teams believe it. That’s why they’re drafting these types high.

I thought it was proved aleady that wemby cant play with bigs like this.Wemby and gobert didnt really mesh
well when they played together for the french team.Thought we agreed a big who can spread the floor would
be best alongside wemby.Somebody like a al horford type big would be best imo.

[exstatic]

I thought it was proved aleady that wemby cant play with bigs like this.Wemby and gobert didnt really mesh
well when they played together for the french team.Thought we agreed a big who can spread the floor would
be best alongside wemby.Somebody like a al horford type big would be best imo.

Gobert is a low IQ rim runner, very limited.

[RC_Drunkford]

I thought it was proved aleady that wemby cant play with bigs like this.Wemby and gobert didnt really mesh
well when they played together for the french team.Thought we agreed a big who can spread the floor would
be best alongside wemby.Somebody like a al horford type big would be best imo.

you can't compare every non-shooting big with Gobert. Gobert is so bad that his teammates don't even pass him the ball when he's right at the rim. He also doesn't have any back to the basket game.

[LeBowen]

I think that Gobert is legit the worst major accolade winner I've ever watched play when it comes to actual basketball skills.
He's literally the guy people refer to unskilled, tall players.

[Mr. Body]

I think that Gobert is legit the worst major accolade winner I've ever watched play when it comes to actual basketball skills.
He's literally the guy people refer to unskilled, tall players.

Marcus Camby though.

[John B]

TOMORROW

Tomorrow is the day after today

[scottspurs]

Kon Knueppel is the only top prospect to have worked out with the Charlotte Hornets. Cooper Flagg, Dylan Harper, Ace Bailey, VJ Edgecombe and Tre Johnson all declined to workout for the hornets. According to the Barlowe Brothers

[John B]

Kon Knueppel is the only top prospect to have worked out with the Charlotte Hornets. Cooper Flagg, Dylan Harper, Ace Bailey, VJ Edgecombe and Tre Johnson all declined to workout for the hornets. According to the Barlowe Brothers

Kon has the bball IQ equivalent with the entire Hornets team

[BatManu20]

I think that Gobert is legit the worst major accolade winner I've ever watched play when it comes to actual basketball skills.
He's literally the guy people refer to unskilled, tall players.

Mind-blowing that he's 33 years old and hasn't developed a single offensive move throughout his career. Not one. All of his points come on lobs, put-backs, and the occasional FT. Like what do his offseason workouts even look like? Sounds like a lazy dumbass tbh.

[BatManu20]

Kon Knueppel is the only top prospect to have worked out with the Charlotte Hornets. Cooper Flagg, Dylan Harper, Ace Bailey, VJ Edgecombe and Tre Johnson all declined to workout for the hornets. According to the Barlowe Brothers

Sad what Hornets ownership has allowed them to become tbh. Truly a poverty franchise. As a Texas fan, I really hope Tre Johnson doesn't wind up there, but I have a feeling he's going to if Edgecombe goes 3 to Philly.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1937523326479441990

[scottspurs]

Poor Kon Knueppel having to play with Prison Break Hornets. Domestic Assault Bridges , I only brought the gun I didn’t shoot Brandon Miller, can’t pass a physical Mark Williams, DNP “Im a superstar” Ball, Project Salaun, Always Taco Night Grant Williams, the Lesser Curry, AAU phenom Nick Smith and the corpse of Taj Gibson.

[BatManu20]

These fuckers.

1937503540680757350

[scottspurs]

https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1937523326479441990

Hell nah I’m out. You don’t quit on your teammates like that wow emergency reshuffling my board

[scottspurs]

I actually think Noa Essengue quitting on his team is a bigger deal than the shit Ace Bailey’s agency is pulling.

[SpursFan86]

Yeah that’s crazy re: Essengue. I get it’s everyone’s dream to make it to the NBA and draft night is a huge deal, but bailing on your teammates is pretty wack.

[rascal]

Hell nah I’m out. You don’t quit on your teammates like that wow emergency reshuffling my board

He wasn't playing good anyways.

[scottspurs]

He wasn't playing good anyways.
Unless the team told him he was being benched it’s still a red flag. His teammates missing out on potential bonuses so he can walk across a stage is a bad look.

[Russ]

I actually think Noa Essengue quitting on his team is a bigger deal than the shit Ace Bailey’s agency is pulling.


Yeah that’s crazy re: Essengue. I get it’s everyone’s dream to make it to the NBA and draft night is a huge deal, but bailing on your teammates is pretty wack.

Maybe the team brought it up to Essengue.

He wasn't doing much in their series and the team may have not wanted the added pressure of trying to showcase a highly draftable player who wasn't helping them win that much.

It may have been a save-face mutually beneficial move for both sides.

[objective]

Didn't Samanich do the same thing to his team except it was to attend the combine and not the draft?

And the Spurs got real hot for him ...

Welcome to San Antonio, Now!

[RC_Drunkford]

These fuckers.

1937503540680757350

I was just about to post that I'm worried about this exact move and here they come

[Mr. Body]

Maybe the team brought it up to Essengue.

He wasn't doing much in their series and the team may have not wanted the added pressure of trying to showcase a highly draftable player who wasn't helping them win that much.

It may have been a save-face mutually beneficial move for both sides.

"Look, Essengue, you kind of suck but have a nice body. In the NBA they draft you types all the time and you bust all the time. So, just enjoy it. We don't need you, get your million dollars, and come back when your first contract is through."

[RC_Drunkford]

OKC is probably targeting Knueppel or Maluach would be my guess

[LeBowen]

I was just about to post that I'm worried about this exact move and here they come

Tbh, we're even bigger fuckers. :lol
At least Presti worked hard to acquire those assets, Spurs keep moving up in the lottery and shortening the gap between the two teams if we're talking total asset value.

[Mr. Body]

OKC is probably targeting Knueppel or Maluach would be my guess

Knueppel would require adding future draft picks. Maluach probably, too. OKC doesn't have the assets this year to move more than a few spots.

[Mr. Body]

Tbh, we're even bigger fuckers. :lol
At least Presti worked hard to acquire those assets, Spurs keep moving up in the lottery and shortening the gap between the two teams if we're talking total asset value.

Correct and right. We're the team who are about to add a potential franchise-type offensive hub lead guard. We also just added a very good veteran guard during the season for Zach Collins and bits and pieces.

[Mal]

Lol Essengue will drop. I would not want guy like this as well

[RC_Drunkford]

Knueppel would require adding future draft picks. Maluach probably, too. OKC doesn't have the assets this year to move more than a few spots.

they still have 72 future first round picks stashed. They can move up to 3 if they want.

[LeBowen]

they still have 72 future first round picks stashed. They can move up to 3 if they want.

https://fanspo.com/nba/teams/oklahoma-city-thunder/21/draft-picks

You're not joking. :lol
Is this the best position a franchise has ever been in?
One of the youngest championship rosters, great salary situation and arguably the most assets in the league.
10 FRPs, 3 swaps and 14 SRPs between now and 2031.

[Mal]

OKC has to be going for C, probably Maluach - They can replace Hartenstein with Maluach after next season, should fit next to Holmgren

[Russ]

https://fanspo.com/nba/teams/oklahoma-city-thunder/21/draft-picks

You're not joking. :lol
Is this the best position a franchise has ever been in?
One of the youngest championship rosters, great salary situation and arguably the most assets in the league.
10 FRPs, 3 swaps and 14 SRPs between now and 2031.

Don't forget about Topic.

Can't wait to see him in Vegas in a couple weeks.

[RC_Drunkford]

OKC has to be going for C, probably Maluach - They can replace Hartenstein with Maluach after next season, should fit next to Holmgren

yeah that would allow them to come off the Hartenstein contract when they have to extend Holmgren and J-Will. It would also mean they get a big who can actually contest Wemby's jumpshots.

[3&D_TBH]

I bet they would take Sorber as well if Maluach is gone. I like Sorber or Coward at 14

[CorrectCrusader]

https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1937523326479441990

Nah the draft is more important.

[spurraider21]

ive been out on Essengue at 14 anyway, so this doesnt move the needle for me

sitting out to preserve draft stock is not something id really frown upon imo. probably agent driven more than anything else and is playing it safe with his future on the line.

[TimDunkem]

Coward has an unfortunate name and birthday.

[exstatic]

I was just about to post that I'm worried about this exact move and here they come

Teams will make them pay dearly for this move with future draft capital. No one wants to help the champs.

[exstatic]

yeah that would allow them to come off the Hartenstein contract when they have to extend Holmgren and J-Will. It would also mean they get a big who can actually contest Wemby's jumpshots.

Chet is a slightly smaller Wemby, and he can’t even contest him. Maluach wouldn’t stand a chance. Wemby is literally uncontested on any jumper.

[Blizzardwizard]

SAS going after maluach has been the rumour for a while now. certainly aligns with the latest intel from jake fischer.


problem is OKC/PHX/ATL/TOR may have shared interest. as with the durant saga we all know PATFO will back down from a trade war once too many interested parties arrive on the scene.


his ceiling is probably #5 to UTA and absolute floor is #9 to TOR. a team may have to deal with CHA at #4 to guarantee they get the player.


UTA at #5 could be convinced to trade down but expect a fleece job. WAS at #6 could be an option depending on how much they like ace bailey. NOP at #7 likewise. if bailey is still on the board at #8 i'd expect BKN to turn down trade offers but they could be open for business if he's off the board by that point.


i wouldn't expect it to happen tbh. will be pissed off if PATFO pass on that opportunity *and* let OKC jump up a few spots to take the next best big on the board (sorber/beringer) as their long-term harstenstein replacement though.

[Mr. Body]

SAS going after maluach has been the rumour for a while now. certainly aligns with the latest intel from jake fischer.


problem is OKC/PHX/ATL/TOR may have shared interest. as with the durant saga we all know PATFO will back down from a trade war once too many interested parties arrive on the scene.


his ceiling is probably #5 to UTA and absolute floor is #9 to TOR. a team may have to deal with CHA at #4 to guarantee they get the player.


UTA at #5 could be convinced to trade down but expect a fleece job. WAS at #6 could be an option depending on how much they like ace bailey. NOP at #7 likewise. if bailey is still on the board at #8 i'd expect BKN to turn down trade offers but they could be open for business if he's off the board by that point.


i wouldn't expect it to happen tbh. will be pissed off if PATFO pass on that opportunity *and* let OKC jump up a few spots to take the next best big on the board (sorber/beringer) as their long-term harstenstein replacement though.

Spurs can't really stop OKC from jumping them if they really want to do it. They've jumped what they thought the Spurs were going to do before -- apparently grabbing Cason Wallace (we're not clear on this). Thunder are coming out of this draft with a player they like. Tbh Sorber or whoever is about the same as Hartenstein. Good for them.

My gut is that this may be a smokescreen or misdirection for the Spurs and they're looking for someone else.

[Mal]

Spurs are NOT trading 3x1st to get backup C for 15 minutes a night.

[Pauleta14]

Coward has an unfortunate name and birthday.

9/11?

Reminds me that tragedy...

[Pauleta14]

Spurs are NOT trading 3x1st to get backup C for 15 minutes a night.

Who says backup?

I think we need a starter to pair with Wemby and I'm sure it's the idea behind those rumors

[Truckules]

Spurs are NOT trading 3x1st to get backup C for 15 minutes a night.

If they trade up, they're not drafting a backup, they're drafting a starter. All of the signs seem to be pointing that Vic/PATFO want Vic on the wing.

[SpursGenius]

I bet they would take Sorber as well if Maluach is gone. I like Sorber or Coward at 14
How about Berringer ?

[baseline bum]

Don't forget about Topic.

Can't wait to see him in Vegas in a couple weeks.

Has his neck grown any in a year?

[baseline bum]

If they trade up, they're not drafting a backup, they're drafting a starter. All of the signs seem to be pointing that Vic/PATFO want Vic on the wing.

Vic's not a wing with those handles

[RC_Drunkford]

Vic's not a wing with those handles

well apparently he doesn't want to play center so...

[rascal]

Spurs can't really stop OKC from jumping them if they really want to do it. They've jumped what they thought the Spurs were going to do before -- apparently grabbing Cason Wallace (we're not clear on this). Thunder are coming out of this draft with a player they like. Tbh Sorber or whoever is about the same as Hartenstein. Good for them.

My gut is that this may be a smokescreen or misdirection for the Spurs and they're looking for someone else.

Yes,


There is going to be a run on the centers anyways right before the Spurs pick and not worth going c at 14 after Maluach, Queen and Sorber are all gone.

[spurraider21]

well apparently he doesn't want to play center so...
stop believing every little thing you hear from random sources you hadnt heard about 5 minutes ago

:lol some podcast bro who says "is 35 available for KD in san antonio"

or some cbs guy nobody had heard of who said "reportedy" (meaning its not his source, its some report he claims he has read, which we cant find) wemby doesnt want to play center

[SpursFan86]

stop believing every little thing you hear from random sources you hadnt heard about 5 minutes ago

:lol some podcast bro who says "is 35 available for KD in san antonio"

or some cbs guy nobody had heard of who said "reportedy" (meaning its not his source, its some report he claims he has read, which we cant find) wemby doesnt want to play center

Yeah I really don’t buy that Wemby is going around flat-out claiming he doesn’t want to play center. I’m sure he doesn’t want to be relegated to only playing a traditional center-type role (I.e. stuck only being in the paint on defense, only being a roll guy on offense), but I seriously doubt he’s over there telling the Spurs’ FO they need to get a center because he’s not going to play that position :lol

[pookenstein]

I have a question regarding Draft day trades. How do they normally work? Are there talks or even agreements between teams in the days/weeky before the Draft? Like Team A has an agreement in in principal with Team B, that if player X is available when they pick, we'll call and talk about a trade centered around our pick and/or player Y. Or do these trades happen on the fly?

Apologies if that's a stupid question, but I have to admit, I'm totally clueless about this...

[bigzak25]

Take Harper at 2 and then best available player according to your board at 14

No need to overcomplicate this

You are coming off a 34 win season. Yeah I know Wemby and Fox missed time

Wemby, Castle, and Harper are all 21 or under. Take another 21 or under at 14

Nothing better than elite young players on rookie deals

Harper is not better than Bailey.

[bigzak25]

I have a question regarding Draft day trades. How do they normally work? Are there talks or even agreements between teams in the days/weeky before the Draft? Like Team A has an agreement in in principal with Team B, that if player X is available when they pick, we'll call and talk about a trade centered around our pick and/or player Y. Or do these trades happen on the fly?

Apologies if that's a stupid question, but I have to admit, I'm totally clueless about this...

I would think on the fly as it depends who's available.

[bigzak25]

Yeah I really don’t buy that Wemby is going around flat-out claiming he doesn’t want to play center. I’m sure he doesn’t want to be relegated to only playing a traditional center-type role (I.e. stuck only being in the paint on defense, only being a roll guy on offense), but I seriously doubt he’s over there telling the Spurs’ FO they need to get a center because he’s not going to play that position :lol

Sorber would be a perfect C for us. But he's projected at 12, so Spurs have to go get him. If they trade down a spot, and grab Bailey at #3. The extra pick they get can be used to trade Up for Sorber.

[bigzak25]

I have a question regarding Draft day trades. How do they normally work? Are there talks or even agreements between teams in the days/weeky before the Draft? Like Team A has an agreement in in principal with Team B, that if player X is available when they pick, we'll call and talk about a trade centered around our pick and/or player Y. Or do these trades happen on the fly?

Apologies if that's a stupid question, but I have to admit, I'm totally clueless about this...

But you're right, I'm sure pretalks happen too...so combination of both.

[pookenstein]

But you're right, I'm sure pretalks happen too...so combination of both.

Yeah, that seems to be logical.

[scottspurs]

I have a question regarding Draft day trades. How do they normally work? Are there talks or even agreements between teams in the days/weeky before the Draft? Like Team A has an agreement in in principal with Team B, that if player X is available when they pick, we'll call and talk about a trade centered around our pick and/or player Y. Or do these trades happen on the fly?

Apologies if that's a stupid question, but I have to admit, I'm totally clueless about this...

Depends. Sometimes teams workout a deal before the draft but it depends on if the player they want is on the board when on the clock. Or perhaps if a team wants out because the player they wanted is no longer available.

Other times teams will call while you are on the clock. A tactic to put pressure on you. It may or may not work but these General Managers learn a lot about each other in the process.

The Spurs trading up for Kawhi Leonard was an example of the 1st scenario. The pacers wanted out of the pick and Liked George Hill. The Spurs only wanted to trade up if Kawhi Leonard or Klay Thompson were still available. The deal was agreed upon before the draft.

The Spurs trading pick #8 last year was an example of scenario 2. Spurs were prepared to pick a player and the Timberwolves called while they were on the clock and made an offer the Spurs liked. I get the feeling Spurs didn’t feel overwhelmingly confident about the players on the board so the T-wolves bailed them out.

[LeBowen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEjoQR-kZD0

Harper was already interviewed, you can rewind, I can't post a timestamp because it's still live.