2025 NBA Draft

[TD 21]

Incredible trade for Memphis. Orlando doesn’t realize yet that Paolo-Franz is not a good long term solution. That 2026 suns pick on its own is worth its weight in gold

They think they're going to be Celtics 2.0, with four secondary creators, five out spacing (even though Bane is the only spacer) and no defensive liabilities.

The difference is, Banchero profiles as closer to Randle than Tatum 2.0, Wagner (who has developed a mental block/hitch) is an even worse shooter than Brown and they don't have a White, which is to say a high IQ "role player" with borderline All-NBA impact to tie it all together.

[onechance87]

https://x.com/BrettSiegelNBA/status/1934278156904530175

still gonna most likely be a lottery pick lol

[John B]

Desmond Bane getting that much haul?? Damn

[SPURt]

Does the Desmond Bane trade set better value for Vassell?

[SpursBills]

They think they're going to be Celtics 2.0, with four secondary creators, five out spacing (even though Bane is the only spacer) and no defensive liabilities.

The difference is, Banchero profiles as closer to Randle than Tatum 2.0, Wagner (who has developed a mental block/hitch) is an even worse shooter than Brown and they don't have a White, which is to say a high IQ "role player" with borderline All-NBA impact to tie it all together.

Yeah I pretty much agree with all this, except I'd say that Franz is a much closer analogue of Tatum as a supersized creator who's role malleable, while Paolo is more like their Jalen Brown, guy who can "get you a bucket in crunch time" but whose advanced metrics don't match up to his eye test or reputation. I assumed that they're getting Bane to be their Derrick White honestly.

Suggs-Jrue
Bane-White
Franz-Tatum
Paolo-Brown
WCJ-Horford

It really is a poor man's Celtics

[SpursGenius]

Does the Desmond Bane trade set better value for Vassell?
sure we should get atleast two firsts if you equate value for value

[scottspurs]

Interesting tidbit from the Game theory podcast today. Sam Vecenie mentioned that he believes the Spurs and Thunder could be going after the same player or type of players at 14 and 15. He thinks the thunder will use both of their 1sts to jump ahead of the Spurs if possible. He then immediately says Cedric Coward would be the pick for the Thunder. Goes on to say Cedric Coward dominated Nique Clifford at a workout he attended. Says he is one of the most competitive players in this class. Thinks he will bulk up and play Power Forward eventually. I agree.

That said if Cedric Coward is dominating workouts I highly doubt he makes it to pick 14. Vecenie thinks the Spurs might get wiped out and trade out of pick altogether. Kick the can down the road for a future 1st.

He also says he highly doubts the spurs pick a big in the 1st because he believes the Spurs want to keep Wemby at the 5 because of the mismatches it creates. Basically says drafting a big at 14 would be bad value because they would only play 18 minutes per night max. If that theory plays out the 2nd round could be where the Sours search for a back up big or perhaps in free agency.

If all that ends up being true that significantly reduces the player pool at 14. It might end up being draft Nique Clifford or trade out. I like Clifford but doubt he would be picked by Brian Wright because of his age.

If the Spurs are out on bigs at 14 the board for me would basically be:

Coward
Essengue
Clifford
Demin
Trade back
Trade out

[cutewizard]

Chaotic prelude to this legendary NBA draft, like the world in chaos,

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqloGkuKu5g

[scottspurs]

Final tally from June 15 NBA Draft International Withdrawal deadline


Staying in:

Noa Essengue
Joan Beringer
Hugo Gonzalez
Nolan Traore
Ben Saraf
Noah Penda
Hansen Yang
Alex Toohey
Bogoljub Markovic
Rocco Zikarsky
Dink Pate
Izan Almansa
Saliou Niang
Mohamed Diawara
Eli Ndiaye

Disappointed to see Neoklis Avdalas and Mouhamed Faye Drop out. This class got even weaker. Spurs should still just make it in at 38 before the fault line. The middle to late part of the 2nd round is looking pretty weak now.

[objective]

Vecenie was a guest on an Athletic podcast yesterday going over his recent mock that had Beringer at 13 before his measurements came out, now with the measurements he's saying he's seriously considering ranking him above Malauch. And that he of course might be moving up in mocks.

[cutewizard]

Strategic war in the shores of the NBA

But we trust our Spurs to bring us..................>>>>

THE QUEST FOR SIX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[cutewizard]

https://youtu.be/-sy2AXFuGwk?si=x0l68ifccm_n7NGi
https://youtu.be/-sy2AXFuGwk?si=x0l68ifccm_n7NGi

[dubross]

https://x.com/esidery/status/1934607122911957027?s=46&t=R_sceQ4efZTX7nQnRN92Cw

So if the Spurs want him, who would be an ideal trade partner to move up from 14?

[Mr. Body]

https://x.com/esidery/status/1934607122911957027?s=46&t=R_sceQ4efZTX7nQnRN92Cw

So if the Spurs want him, who would be an ideal trade partner to move up from 14?

I don't think they move up to get a backup player. As badly as the Spurs need a center, it's still a position with reduced playing time.

[LeBowen]

https://x.com/esidery/status/1934607122911957027?s=46&t=R_sceQ4efZTX7nQnRN92Cw

So if the Spurs want him, who would be an ideal trade partner to move up from 14?

I don't think there's a realistic way to move up ahead of the Raptors that will obviously pick him if he's available.
Nets have nothing and want to take the BPA swing.
Pelicans need a point guard or a center, we have neither to trade. I doubt they'd be interested in an additional pick if it's not the Hawks one.
Wizards want to take the BPA swing much like the Nets and they won't be interested in any of our mediocre players.

#3-5 would cost too much to move up other than some unlikely scenario in which we take PG's horrible contract, which shouldn't even be considered.

[mo7888]

https://x.com/esidery/status/1934607122911957027?s=46&t=R_sceQ4efZTX7nQnRN92Cw

So if the Spurs want him, who would be an ideal trade partner to move up from 14?

Like everyone else said, it's hard to see a good trade partner to move up with. I guess if someone like Washington or Brooklyn likes Keldon you might send Keldon +14 +a couple 2nd's to move up. In Brooklyn's case we could free up some salary.

[RC_Drunkford]

Like everyone else said, it's hard to see a good trade partner to move up with. I guess if someone like Washington or Brooklyn likes Keldon you might send Keldon +14 +a couple 2nd's to move up. In Brooklyn's case we could free up some salary.

there's no way Keldon ends up in Brooklyn. He hates New York.

[Seventyniner]

there's no way Keldon ends up in Brooklyn. He hates New York.

What's the story behind that?

[RC_Drunkford]

What's the story behind that?

Keldon has a farm with chickens and so on in San Antonio and he hates to live in the city. He's a dude who has embraced the country side. So when the Spurs played the Knicks and the Nets, word is he said he doesn't like NY. And the Spurs will not trade him there, cause that's not what they do.

[TekXX]

Keldon has a farm with chickens and so on in San Antonio and he hates to live in the city. He's a dude who has embraced the country side. So when the Spurs played the Knicks and the Nets, word is he said he doesn't like NY. And the Spurs will not trade him there, cause that's not what they do.

He doesn't have to live in the city. Just like most cities, there's non-cities outside the city limits.

[Ariel]

I don't think they move up to get a backup player. As badly as the Spurs need a center, it's still a position with reduced playing time.
Addressing the center position should be in their list of priorities but there's plenty of centers that can be had in this draft without moving up, like Beringer, Sorber, or even moving down like Kalkbrenner, or taking a flyer in the 2nd round like Niederhauser or Hansen Yang.

[mo7888]

there's no way Keldon ends up in Brooklyn. He hates New York.

I seriously doubt that matters as much as you think it does. His chickens aren't going to hold up a deal. Now I doubt Brooklyn wants this deal, but if they offered #8 for #14 + Keldon then hell be in Brooklyn.

[Ariel]

https://youtu.be/-sy2AXFuGwk?si=x0l68ifccm_n7NGi
https://youtu.be/-sy2AXFuGwk?si=x0l68ifccm_n7NGi
The Chinese Edey?

[R. DeMurre]

They think they're going to be Celtics 2.0, with four secondary creators, five out spacing (even though Bane is the only spacer) and no defensive liabilities.

The difference is, Banchero profiles as closer to Randle than Tatum 2.0, Wagner (who has developed a mental block/hitch) is an even worse shooter than Brown and they don't have a White, which is to say a high IQ "role player" with borderline All-NBA impact to tie it all together.


Yeah I pretty much agree with all this, except I'd say that Franz is a much closer analogue of Tatum as a supersized creator who's role malleable, while Paolo is more like their Jalen Brown, guy who can "get you a bucket in crunch time" but whose advanced metrics don't match up to his eye test or reputation. I assumed that they're getting Bane to be their Derrick White honestly.

Suggs-Jrue
Bane-White
Franz-Tatum
Paolo-Brown
WCJ-Horford

It really is a poor man's Celtics


Fun to watch these guys rearrange the chairs, but it feels like two franchises moving forward with fatally flawed centerpieces. Paolo for me has too many issues to be a #1 option on a championship team, and someone I equate with a Carmelo or an Iverson in terms of true impact. Orlando thinks they have their Duncan/Dirk/KG, but I think they're far away from that. JJJ, with his 7'5" wingspan, rebounding like a SG is kinda tragic to watch. It's close to unbelievable that Desmond Bane and his 6'4" wingspan actually averaged more rpg than JJJ last year. Toss in Ja's immaturity and a handful of late first round picks, and I don't see them doing too much serious harm either.

[Mr. Body]

He doesn't have to live in the city. Just like most cities, there's non-cities outside the city limits.

NYC is different. It takes ages just to get out of the city and then to any farmland is even longer.

[barakz21]

He doesn't have to live in the city. Just like most cities, there's non-cities outside the city limits.

Heh. KJ could live on Long Island if ever, it’s the suburbs and there’s a lot of area here where one can own plots of land for farms. I’d probably end up stalking him to have my fiesta white KJ jersey autographed lol

[spurraider21]

OTOH, Risacher and Sarr may have put people off French talent.
why would you think that? Risacher had a very good rookie year and his future is promising. Sarr was known to be quite raw but was taken because of his tools, and i dont think washington is all that upset about having him.

[RC_Drunkford]

He doesn't have to live in the city. Just like most cities, there's non-cities outside the city limits.

I assume you've never been to New York if you say that


I seriously doubt that matters as much as you think it does. His chickens aren't going to hold up a deal. Now I doubt Brooklyn wants this deal, but if they offered #8 for #14 + Keldon then hell be in Brooklyn.

this is the same franchise that gifts people a couple of millions per year because they make good sandwiches you're talking about

[mo7888]

I assume you've never been to New York if you say that



this is the same franchise that gifts people a couple of millions per year because they make good sandwiches you're talking about

It's also the same franchise that traded George Hill...

[bluebellmaniac]

He doesn't have to live in the city. Just like most cities, there's non-cities outside the city limits.

Non-cities around Manhattan and Newark are quite the commute.

[scott]

Non-cities around Manhattan and Newark are quite the commute.

But the image of Keldon riding the LIRR wearing a Cowboy hat holding a chicken under his arms is hilarious to imagine

[scott]

Even ChatGPT knows this would result in Sad Keldon

Prompt: in a realistic style, can you create an image of Keldon Johnson riding the Long Island Railroad wearing a cowboy hat and carrying a live chicken

https://i.postimg.cc/Xv6hPWgJ/sad-keldon.png

[CGD]

https://x.com/esidery/status/1934607122911957027?s=46&t=R_sceQ4efZTX7nQnRN92Cw

So if the Spurs want him, who would be an ideal trade partner to move up from 14?

It all kinda depends on Durant right? If TOR sends out 9 in that deal, would the Suns take Maluach?

[ace3g]

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1934718952653115596

[LeBowen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oenDVo2IfWI

[SpursFan86]

Additional green room invites reported by Givony today:

Sorber
Essengue
CMB
Will Riley
Traore
McNeeley

[Mr. Body]

Will Riley pops out at me. He's gone under the radar.

[spurraider21]

Will Riley pops out at me. He's gone under the radar.
is he this years johnny furphy?

[John B]

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1934718952653115596

I think Sorber is one of the stronger candidate at #14

[Eaglenole2002]

Interesting that everyone’s darling Cedric Coward hasn’t been invited yet…

[RC_Drunkford]

It's also the same franchise that traded George Hill...

to Indiana where he's originally from

[ace3g]

Harper is excited about the Sorber news:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GtmXD-NbcAAo5ix?format=png&name=900x900

[scott]

That's really interesting. Is there any kind of connection between Harper and Sorber? You'd assume they must be friends?

[ace3g]

https://x.com/BrettSiegelNBA/status/1934669501871599825

[Mugen]

why would you think that? Risacher had a very good rookie year and his future is promising. Sarr was known to be quite raw but was taken because of his tools, and i dont think washington is all that upset about having him.

Oh now you like the Frenchies.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/1934765985946362078

[spurraider21]

Oh now you like the Frenchies.
i like the ones with obvious paths to success, not the nebulous lumps of clay who seem intriguing but dont really do anything in particular at above average levels

[Mr. Body]

Feels like Coward is losing some shine and Nique Clifford is gaining steam.

[spurraider21]

Feels like Coward is losing some shine and Nique Clifford is gaining steam.
funny, i just watched another vecenie mock where he and his typical cohost were talking about them, and he compared the two and said there's really no comparison, and coward is that guy

[Mugen]

i like the ones with obvious paths to success, not the nebulous lumps of clay who seem intriguing but dont really do anything in particular at above average levels

Bend over, I'll show you a nebulous lump of clay tbh.

[BackHome]

funny, i just watched another vecenie mock where he and his typical cohost were talking about them, and he compared the two and said there's really no comparison, and coward is that guy

I think they both rising it just depends on what a team needs as both are good shooters but Nique has better handles and can handle all the guard positions. While Coward is more of a forward who can handle SF and a little PF.

[baseline bum]

Even ChatGPT knows this would result in Sad Keldon

Prompt: in a realistic style, can you create an image of Keldon Johnson riding the Long Island Railroad wearing a cowboy hat and carrying a live chicken


Oh man this tool is too much fun

https://i.ibb.co/qYG0W3KP/Barkley-churro-margarita-sm.jpg

[bluebellmaniac]

Oh man this tool is too much fun

https://i.ibb.co/qYG0W3KP/Barkley-churro-margarita-sm.jpg

Lol!

[SpursFan86]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45515479/2025-nba-mock-draft-59-picks-trade-talks-heat-30-teams

Latest mock from Givony. On the Spurs notes, he mentions teams have engaged with SA to move up to #2 but they’ve come away with the impression that it’s very unlikely SA makes a move down. He then has us picking Beringer at #14 which seems like a bit of a reach.

[PhantomDashCam]

That Ace Bailey intel throughout…Wowsers.

[exstatic]

That Ace Bailey intel throughout…Wowsers.

Share?

[cutewizard]

What if Charles played for us??? always wondered

[cutewizard]

When the great players retire, they always speak highly of the Spurs

but during their prime, they rarely considered playing for us.....

before the Wemby era, i mean

[mo7888]

Share?

I think he means this:

Bailey's predraft workout strategy has perplexed some observers, as he has yet to conduct a single known workout to date, having declined invitations from several teams within his draft range. Sources say Bailey's camp has informed interested teams that they believe he is a top-3 player in the draft, but also seeks a clear pathway to stardom, perhaps feeling comfortable that a team will trade up to get him at Nos. 3 or 4, should he drop.

Some teams question whether Bailey has received assurances of being selected by a team currently outside the top 5, to a situation deemed more advantageous from a geographic and playing time perspective.

Bailey is scheduled to conduct a workout with the 76ers later this week, but it's unclear if he plans to visit any other teams at this stage. Should the Sixers pass on him, he could very well slide to the No. 6 or No. 7 picks, two teams in Washington and New Orleans that are said to be highly intrigued with the 18-year-old's talent. And both are situations in which there appear to be plenty of minutes and shots to be had. --

[Mr. Body]

I think he means this:

Bailey's predraft workout strategy has perplexed some observers, as he has yet to conduct a single known workout to date, having declined invitations from several teams within his draft range. Sources say Bailey's camp has informed interested teams that they believe he is a top-3 player in the draft, but also seeks a clear pathway to stardom, perhaps feeling comfortable that a team will trade up to get him at Nos. 3 or 4, should he drop.

Some teams question whether Bailey has received assurances of being selected by a team currently outside the top 5, to a situation deemed more advantageous from a geographic and playing time perspective.

Bailey is scheduled to conduct a workout with the 76ers later this week, but it's unclear if he plans to visit any other teams at this stage. Should the Sixers pass on him, he could very well slide to the No. 6 or No. 7 picks, two teams in Washington and New Orleans that are said to be highly intrigued with the 18-year-old's talent. And both are situations in which there appear to be plenty of minutes and shots to be had. --

He has a screw loose. His answer for the standard "what are your strength and weakensses" question was something like "I have more than one strength and no weaknesses." Sheesh. Feels like Phila is like Edgecombe if they can't trade it, not sure what Charlotte does, Johnson maybe to Utah, and then Washington decides what to do. Come to think of it, Bailey is perfect for the knuckleheads on Charlotte.

[baseline bum]

That Ace Bailey intel throughout…Wowsers.

LOL Bailey is fucking delusional.

[baseline bum]

He has a screw loose. His answer for the standard "what are your strength and weakensses" question was something like "I have more than one strength and no weaknesses." Sheesh. Feels like Phila is like Edgecombe if they can't trade it, not sure what Charlotte does, Johnson maybe to Utah, and then Washington decides what to do. Come to think of it, Bailey is perfect for the knuckleheads on Charlotte.

Charlotte really should take whoever falls to 4 between Edgecombe and Johnson. I'd probably even try to trade up with Philly to get Edgecombe.

[mo7888]

He has a screw loose. His answer for the standard "what are your strength and weakensses" question was something like "I have more than one strength and no weaknesses." Sheesh. Feels like Phila is like Edgecombe if they can't trade it, not sure what Charlotte does, Johnson maybe to Utah, and then Washington decides what to do. Come to think of it, Bailey is perfect for the knuckleheads on Charlotte.

Totally agree on the Charlotte fit...its almost pitch perfect..

[Mr. Body]

Totally agree on the Charlotte fit...its almost pitch perfect..

LaMelo and Ace taking the most wild, out of rhythm random shots all the time would almost be must-watch.

[CorrectCrusader]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45515479/2025-nba-mock-draft-59-picks-trade-talks-heat-30-teams

Latest mock from Givony. On the Spurs notes, he mentions teams have engaged with SA to move up to #2 but they’ve come away with the impression that it’s very unlikely SA makes a move down. He then has us picking Beringer at #14 which seems like a bit of a reach.

I would've said Joan would be a reach at 14 before his measurements came out. I'm fine with it now.

[Seventyniner]

Totally agree on the Charlotte fit...its almost pitch perfect..

Even better with the Wizards. They love their no-defense chuckers over there.

[scottspurs]

Ace Bailey’s team needs to all be fired if they advised him not to work out for teams. If the 76ers pass on him he could slide. I for sure think the Hornets pass on him based on the fit. The Jazz may be scared away after the Cody Williams pick last year. Good chance the Wizards would pick him regardless because they need to take a swing but I think the Pelicans would pass. Nets are in the same situation as the Wizards so I think they would definitely pick him. Falling to 8 would be a disaster for “the image” he is going for as a top player.

[BatManu20]

Kid is getting some terrible advice.


Ace Bailey’s draft stock has been falling due to his unwillingness to visit several teams and the fact that he has yet to conduct a single workout, per Draft Express



Bailey believes he’s a top-three player in the draft and wants to be selected by a team that will provide a clear pathway to stardom“Bailey's predraft workout strategy has perplexed some observers, as he has yet to conduct a single known workout to date, having declined invitations from several teams within his draft range. Sources say Bailey's camp has informed interested teams that they believe he is a top-3 player in the draft, but also seeks a clear pathway to stardom, perhaps feeling comfortable that a team will trade up to get him at Nos. 3 or 4, should he drop.”

[vy65]

1934978334523592754

:lolce B:loliley

[Uriel]

Carter Bryant (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/5061568/carter-bryant), Noa Essengue (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/5242496/noa-essengue) and Joan Beringer (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/44853028/french-center-joan-beringer-enter-nba-draft) are among the players who should be considered by the Spurs with their second lottery pick. -- Jeremy Woo
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45526277/2025-nba-draft-san-antonio-spurs-keep-no-2-pick-options

[ace3g]

https://x.com/kyletheboone/status/1934969360621224145

[exstatic]

I called weeks ago that Ace would be this year’s Cam Whitmore. He might not fall to 20, but he’s going to be the big “surprise” dropper.

[vy65]

Bailey at 14???

[exstatic]

Bailey at 14???

A malcontent with his own “group” already in place before the draft? Hard nope.

[scottspurs]

Yeah I agree let’s keep Ace Bailey far away from Dylan Harper. I think he is a good kid but he is getting terrible advice. I don’t want his “team” having any influence over Dylan Harper.

[Ocotillo]

A malcontent with his own “group” already in place before the draft? Hard nope.

Hmm, not wanting Bailey but this provoked the thought that are the days of "getting over yourself" gone now that Mitch is the coach instead of Pop?

[spurraider21]

Man that Bailey blurb is disturbing :lol

[Ariel]

Bailey at 14???
Nahh... there are so many teams talent starved that he isn't slipping that far. I can't see a Brooklyn, Chicago passing on him. For sure the Rockets take him at 10 if available, they have a track record of going after perceived fallers (Sengun, Whitmore, etc).

[SpursFan86]

Indiana trading the #23 pick in this draft to New Orleans in exchange for their own 2026 FRP (which NOP owned) back.

Seems like a move Indiana is making just to free up cap space this offseason. Have to imagine that in a vacuum the 23 pick this year is worth more than their 2026 pick.

[mo7888]

Indiana trading the #23 pick in this draft to New Orleans in exchange for their own 2026 FRP (which NOP owned) back.

Seems like a move Indiana is making just to free up cap space this offseason. Have to imagine that in a vacuum the 23 pick this year is worth more than their 2026 pick.

Yup...it also makes the Stepien Rule irrelevant for them going forward..

[LeBowen]

Indiana trading the #23 pick in this draft to New Orleans in exchange for their own 2026 FRP (which NOP owned) back.

Seems like a move Indiana is making just to free up cap space this offseason. Have to imagine that in a vacuum the 23 pick this year is worth more than their 2026 pick.

'26 pick gives them more flexiblity with Stepien rule.
If they didn't get it back, they wouldn't have been able to trade '27 FRP, now they have all of their picks from '26 ownard.

[spurraider21]

smart trade for Indy

they're probably going to get into the tax to re-sign Myles Turner, dont want the additional payroll of a 1st rounder this year anyway, as they already have a pretty deep rotation under contract.

by getting their 2026 pick back, they now have complete flexibility when it comes to trading future draft capital. and after this year, they will not have any outgoing FRPs anymore. they are well positioned to remain competitive for quite a while and have the assets to reshuffle when needed

very well run org over there


i dont know if pelicans actually want to make a second selection in the 20s or if this is just ammunition to move up from 7 to get their guy, whether it be bailey or somebody else

[Bruno]

When you read the latest espn mock draft, there are some tiers:

Tier 1: pick #1:
Flagg

Tier 2: pick #2:
Harper

Tier 3: pick #3 to #8
Edgecombe
Knueppel
Johnson
Bailey
Fears
Maluach

Tier 4: pick #9 to #14:
Essengue
Bryant
Jakucionis
Queen
Demin
CMB

[Guru of Nothing]

Ace Bailey should be campaigning his ass off to be the #3 selection to Philly. Hope he likes that tier 2 Carolina barbecue.

[Biggems]

I hope we walk out of the lottery with Harper and Coward.

[KobesAchilles]

What if Charles played for us??? always wondered
Spurs told MVP Barkley to take a hike and they didn’t want him to play for us. It was actually his preferred choice to team with Robinson. That very same season he hit the series winner in David Robinson’s eye on his way to the finals.

[LeBowen]

Spurs told MVP Barkley to take a hike and they didn’t want him to play for us. It was actually his preferred choice to team with Robinson. That very same season he hit the series winner in David Robinson’s eye on his way to the finals.

Wasn't the story that the trade was ready to be made and then Terry Cummings busted his knee?

[KobesAchilles]

Wasn't the story that the trade was ready to be made and then Terry Cummings busted his knee?
No what happened is we had a deal on the table and McCombs didn’t want to pay Barkley his “giant” salary since he was already paying Robinson.

[bluebellmaniac]

LOL Bailey is fucking delusional.

Yeah, but I also blame whoever he is using as an agent. They should have prepared him for all those basic questions and more. Don't forget these are young guys. Not used to answering job interview questions.

[exstatic]

Yeah, but I also blame whoever he is using as an agent. They should have prepared him for all those basic questions and more. Don't forget these are young guys. Not used to answering job interview questions.

He’s not normal. I’m guessing if the agent tried to correct him, he’d be fired.

[mo7888]

Well, we are 1 week from the draft. So, here is my final Big Board unless something out of the ordinary happens this week. Remember this is a Tier system and that individual rankings don't matter. You'd pick for fit within the tiers. For example when we pick Dylan 2nd, if you're sitting at 14 and Fears and Coward are on the board you take Coward even though he's several spots lower.



Tier 1:
1. Cooper Flagg
Tier 2:
2. Dylan Harper
Tier 3:
3. V.J Edgecombe
4. Tre Johnson
5. Jon Knueppel
Tier 4:
6. Noa Essengue
7. Ace Bailey
8. Kasparas Jackucionis
9. Egor Demin
10. Liam McNeely
Tier 5:
11. Thomas Sorber
12. Jeremiah Fears
13. Carter Bryant
14. Shaman Maluach
15. Rasheer Fleming
16. Derick Queen
17. Jase Richardson
18. Joan Beringer
19. Cedric Coward
20. Will Riley
Tier 6:
21. Nolan Traore
22. Ben Saraf
23. Maxime Raynaud
24. Nique Clifford
25. Drake Powell
Tier 7:
26. Asa Newell
27. Danny Wolf
28. Ryan Kalkbrenner
29. Walter Clayton jr
30. Noah Penda

[SpursFan86]

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/article/2025-nba-draft-will-spurs-76ers-trade-down-from-top-3-its-a-rare-move-but-heres-why-it-could-make-sense-141356665.html

KOC with yet another article about why it makes sense for SA to trade away #2 :lol

[DAF86]

A malcontent with his own “group” already in place before the draft? Hard nope.

Dude, why do you have to be such a stereotypical SpursTalk homer? If Bailey somehow drops to 14 (never gonna happen), you draft him without thinking twice. Be real now :lol

[Ice009]

Dude, why do you have to be such a stereotypical SpursTalk homer? If Bailey somehow drops to 14 (never gonna happen), you draft him without thinking twice. Be real now :lol

If there was a KD trade with the #14 pick in place as one of the pieces and Bailey dropped to 14 (it won't happen), would you guys cancel the trade and take Bailey instead (I would)?

[ginobilized]

Today's the day, I can feel it. Get ready because there has got to be Zhang Bang incoming.
Oh no, wait....his Twitter has been suspended.

I miss him already.

[CGD]

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/article/2025-nba-draft-will-spurs-76ers-trade-down-from-top-3-its-a-rare-move-but-heres-why-it-could-make-sense-141356665.html

KOC with yet another article about why it makes sense for SA to trade away #2 :lol

His shtick is getting old

[Ice009]

His shtick is getting old

If I could contact this guy, I'd tell him he's a fucking twat and to stop being a Spurs hater. No chance we're trading Dylan Harper for anything less than a Superstar such as Giannis. Any other trade proposals at this stage are just hate from the other side not wanting to see the Spurs get another potentially great player.

[Mr. Body]

Eh, these guys are trying to generate interest in the draft, worst case just for themselves. No one has talked about Cooper Flagg in weeks (though he deserves it), so this is something to talk about.

[Twisted_Dawg]

Today's the day, I can feel it. Get ready because there has got to be Zhang Bang incoming.
Oh no, wait....his Twitter has been suspended.

I miss him already.

Question: Is the Zhang Bang the reincarnation of TSpence?

[Mnky]

If there was a KD trade with the #14 pick in place as one of the pieces and Bailey dropped to 14 (it won't happen), would you guys cancel the trade and take Bailey instead (I would)?

Definitely take Bailey over the trade. Flip the other pieces for something else.

[scottspurs]

Apparently Joan Beringer is drawing strong interest from the Spurs

I don’t want to draft a project but if they do it makes most sense for it to be a big. You can draft one, sign a vet to backup Wemby and bring them along slowly. I would much rather take Beringer than a project wing like Carter Bryant.

[Mr. Body]

I wouldn't take Bailey over three years of Durant. I think Bailey is going to be a bad bust.

[Mr. Body]

Apparently Joan Beringer is drawing strong interest from the Spurs

I don’t want to draft a project but if they do it makes most sense for it to be a big. You can draft one, sign a vet to backup Wemby and bring them along slowly. I would much rather take Beringer than a project wing like Carter Bryant.

I'd throw up a little if they take him. It wouldn't be the same mistake as taking Salaun, as it's the end of the lottery, but these dudes just suck at basketball. I'm not happy about drafting measurements. Go to a suit store if you want measurements.

[scottspurs]

Worked out/met with Spurs Tracker


LJ Cryer, Guard - Houston
Micah Peavy, Forward - Georgetown
RJ Felton, Guard - East Carolina
Jeremiah Fears, Guard - Oklahoma
John Tonje, Guard - Wisconsin
Sean Pedulla, Guard - Ole Miss
Thomas Sorber, Big - Georgetown
Cam Carter, Guard - LSU
Javon Small, Guard - West Virginia
Obinna Anochili-Killen, Forward - Marshall
Zeke Mayo, Guard - Kansas
Khaman Maluach, Big - Duke
Danny Wolf, Big - Michigan
Egor Demin, Forward - BYU
Dylan Harper, Guard - Rutgers
Dylan Cardwell, Big - Auburn
Kobe Sanders, Guard - Nevada


Maxime Raynaud, Big - Stanford
(also worked out with Wemby)


Milos Uzan, Guard - Houston
(Returned to school)

[scottspurs]

Worked out/met with Spurs Tracker


LJ Cryer, Guard - Houston
Micah Peavy, Forward - Georgetown
RJ Felton, Guard - East Carolina
Jeremiah Fears, Guard - Oklahoma
John Tonje, Guard - Wisconsin
Sean Pedulla, Guard - Ole Miss
Thomas Sorber, Big - Georgetown
Cam Carter, Guard - LSU
Javon Small, Guard - West Virginia
Obinna Anochili-Killen, Forward - Marshall
Zeke Mayo, Guard - Kansas
Khaman Maluach, Big - Duke
Danny Wolf, Big - Michigan
Egor Demin, Forward - BYU
Dylan Harper, Guard - Rutgers
Dylan Cardwell, Big - Auburn
Kobe Sanders, Guard - Nevada


Maxime Raynaud, Big - Stanford
(also worked out with Wemby)


Milos Uzan, Guard - Houston
(Returned to school)


based on this I’m not so sure the Spurs are picking at 14.

Other options:

Trade for a vet

trade back

trade out for future picks

trade out and trade up from 38

Could also be some workouts where no information came out. Or maybe some workouts that haven’t happened yet. I can believe the spurs didn’t bring any other “top prospects” but I would be very disappointed if they don’t meet with/workout the following:

Cedric Coward
Nique Clifford
Jade Richardson
Carter Bryant
Liam Mcneely
Will Riley
Collin-Murray Boyles
Adou Thiero
Drake Powell

Even if you didn’t like their tape you should bring them in and do your do your due diligence. I’m excluding the international guys because it’s easy for them to meet with those guys under the radar.

I just really feel like they are not going to pick at 14 unless more information comes out.

[Mr. Body]

We don't hear about a lot of their prospects, tbh. But yeah I don't think they pick at 14. They move up, down, or out, if they can.

[The Truth #6]

Yeah, they often hide the workouts of the players they are interested in. I have no idea what they will do with #14, but I hope they get a player who can help in the next year or two.

[dn0774]

If KD falls through maybe see what Vassell/#14 could fetch. Could move up, could see what kind of established shooting 3 or 4 we can get etc. Vassell needs to be moved for his sake and ours.

[scottspurs]

Moving Vassell would have to mean bringing in a shooter. If not KD than probably Cam Johnson. You can probably get Corey Kispert for two 2nds. If using Vassell to trade up it would have to be Tre Johnson or Kon Knueppel. Not sure if they can get up that high with just Vassell. Unless Kon falls to 9.

[CorrectCrusader]

Saw this on reddit:

Wings with a 7'2 Wingspan Taken In The First Round Since 2016

The List:
Pascal Siakam
OG Anunoby
Mikal Bridges
PJ Washington
Rui Hachimura
Scottie Barnes
Jalen Williams
Tari Eason
Bilal Coulibaly
Jarace Walker
TBD on those last two, but the hit rate is INSANE.
So, who will meet the criteria this year?
Cedric Coward
Rasheer Fleming
Even more intriguing, both hit close to 40% from 3 this year while also averaging super solid steal/block stats. I think both of these guys are worthy of top ten selections, even in such a good draft.

[Eaglenole2002]

Ok, seriously, where is TiMVP with the draft goods?

[RC_Drunkford]

Apparently Joan Beringer is drawing strong interest from the Spurs

I don’t want to draft a project but if they do it makes most sense for it to be a big. You can draft one, sign a vet to backup Wemby and bring them along slowly. I would much rather take Beringer than a project wing like Carter Bryant.

Beringer got a high ceiling, but I wouldn't draft him in the first round. He's such a long project that draft and stash in the 2nd round would make a ton of sense.

[Russ]

Beringer got a high ceiling, but I wouldn't draft him in the first round. He's such a long project that draft and stash in the 2nd round would make a ton of sense.

Yeah, Noa Essengue I might use #14 on.

But Joan (of no three-point arc) Beringer would have to go lower.

In fact, until lately, he's been mid-second round in most mocks.

[scott]

Moving Vassell would have to mean bringing in a shooter. If not KD than probably Cam Johnson. You can probably get Corey Kispert for two 2nds. If using Vassell to trade up it would have to be Tre Johnson or Kon Knueppel. Not sure if they can get up that high with just Vassell. Unless Kon falls to 9.

I don't see any team in the Top 10 who would give up assets for Vassell, other than maybe Houston. Not because Devin is a negative, but because none of them are in a position to be buying guys like Vassell. They're all rebuilding, and rebuilding teams don't send out assets for supporting cast members.

Houston is the one exception, and I think Devin would actually fit alright there, but I doubt there is a deal to be had with them for #10.

[Vienna]

Saw this on reddit:

Wings with a 7'2 Wingspan Taken In The First Round Since 2016

The List:
Pascal Siakam
OG Anunoby
Mikal Bridges
PJ Washington
Rui Hachimura
Scottie Barnes
Jalen Williams
Tari Eason
Bilal Coulibaly
Jarace Walker
TBD on those last two, but the hit rate is INSANE.
So, who will meet the criteria this year?
Cedric Coward
Rasheer Fleming
Even more intriguing, both hit close to 40% from 3 this year while also averaging super solid steal/block stats. I think both of these guys are worthy of top ten selections, even in such a good draft.

a wingspan doesn‘t make a player a wing. Fleming is for sure not a wing. maybe a 4, but likely a small 5 in the NBA.

[mystargtr34]

Moving Vassell would have to mean bringing in a shooter. If not KD then probably Cam Johnson. You can probably get Corey Kispert for two 2nds. If using Vassell to trade up it would have to be Tre Johnson or Kon Knueppel. Not sure if they can get up that high with just Vassell. Unless Kon falls to 9.

I was thinking about this but just don’t see which team in the 3-13 range needs or wants a Devin Vassell archetype. He’s not good enough to get you into the 3-6 range so even going from NOP at 7. The Pels are already stacked at the 2-3 positions with Murphy, Herb, McCollum. Brooklyn is rebuilding, Raptors have a glut of 2/3s, Houston maybe but can’t see the Spurs trading with a rival, Portland no, Chicago maybe but there’s no point loving up 2 spots.

[Ditty]

Berringer has OKC draft and stash written all over him.

Maybe Atlanta at best.

[scottspurs]

So we all agree spurs are not trading up using Vassell so they would have to use future picks. Not sure that I would want to do that. So looks like trade out or trade down. Or pick at 14

[BackHome]

Berringer has OKC draft and stash written all over him.

Maybe Atlanta at best.

OK has two picks in the first round they might use them to move up

[RC_Drunkford]

Since I still think we will trade #14 for KD, how could we buy another mid first rounder? Looking specifically at Brooklyn at #19, #26 and #27. Maybe a gang of future seconds gets you #27. Or we just tell Phoenix to give us their #29 back since we are extorting them anyway :lol

[Mr. Body]

Saw this on reddit:

Wings with a 7'2 Wingspan Taken In The First Round Since 2016

The List:
Pascal Siakam
OG Anunoby
Mikal Bridges
PJ Washington
Rui Hachimura
Scottie Barnes
Jalen Williams
Tari Eason
Bilal Coulibaly
Jarace Walker
TBD on those last two, but the hit rate is INSANE.
So, who will meet the criteria this year?
Cedric Coward
Rasheer Fleming
Even more intriguing, both hit close to 40% from 3 this year while also averaging super solid steal/block stats. I think both of these guys are worthy of top ten selections, even in such a good draft.

There are more drafted than on this list, wtf

[CorrectCrusader]

There are more drafted than on this list, wtf

It's since 2016.

[scott]

Here are all of the combine antho measurements by year that you can sort through if you want to try to find someone missing: https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro?sort=WINGSPAN&dir=1&SeasonYear=2025-26

[Mr. Body]

It's since 2016.

No, more wings with that wingspan. They're fudging what they're calling a wing.

[scott]

No, more wings with that wingspan. They're fudging what they're calling a wing.

The only ones I found are if you want to make an argument that Harry Giles and Caleb Swanigan were wings, and then Rayan Rupert.

[Mr. Body]

The only ones I found are if you want to make an argument that Harry Giles and Caleb Swanigan were wings, and then Rayan Rupert.

Exactly my point. Suddenly a guy like Salaun isn't a wing.

[Mr. Body]

Pokusevski has that wingspan. Ousmene Dieng might have that wingspan. Suddenly they're not wings?

[Uriel]

Beringer looks like he’s 2 years away from being 2 years away.

[Mr. Body]

Beringer looks like he’s 2 years away from being 2 years away.

Insta bust.

Bruno Caboclo had a 7′ 7″ wingspan. Bust.

[scott]

Pokusevski has that wingspan. Ousmene Dieng might have that wingspan. Suddenly they're not wings?

Dieng only has a 7'0" official wingspan - but more to the point, it looks like that list doesn't include guys who went through the international combine measurements

[RC_Drunkford]

Beringer looks like he’s 2 years away from being 2 years away.

he is. He hasn't even played basketball for 4 years. He's a great gamble for a second round pick. I'd stay away from him in the first though.

[Uriel]

Suppose I gave you these three names--Bryant, Essengue, Coward--and told you two of them would bust and one would hit. Who would you think would be the hit?

[Degoat]

Suppose I gave you these three names--Bryant, Essengue, Coward--and told you two of them would bust and one would hit. Who would you think would be the hit?

That’s a tough one, I feel like Coward is a pretty safe bet to turn out. I like Essengue and Carter more tho lol

[Dejounte]

https://x.com/mjacquiredtaste/status/1935346911558386067?s=46

This is why I can’t take raw bigs like Malauch seriously (sorry RC_Drunkford). Any other raw big could suddenly be the “player of the week” when someone finds new footage or information. It’s betting on too much theoretical upside.

[scottspurs]

Suppose I gave you these three names--Bryant, Essengue, Coward--and told you two of them would bust and one would hit. Who would you think would be the hit?


Coward is an elite shooter. You can hang around in the league with that skillset alone. Bryant screams athleticism with no game. Essengue is average at everything, not good at anything, not bad at anything. If he doesn’t develop I don’t see a role for him. I’ll take Coward

[scottspurs]

I’m starting to feel the same way as Sam. Maluach may be getting over hyped. His hands and feet are mid. Beringer also makes me nervous but he snags everything. He was playing soccer as a goalie 48 months ago. Had never picked up a basketball lmao. Both could bust hard. At least you are working from scratch with Beringer. Maluach has already picked up some bad habits especially with his positioning when he rebounds

[Mr. Body]

I normally like Vecenie but he's missed the boat on this one. Beringer is completely theoretical. You'd have to dearly and sweetly hope and pray he ever becomes anything close to good. At happy risk of starting up old fights, the Adriatic League is like kiddie soccer compared to high end NCAA basketball and there's no contest.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/TheSteinLine/status/1935517025075429466

[scottspurs]

One draft lottery prospect reportedly refused to work out with the Hornets because he didn’t want to play with LaMelo Ball, per Mikelacett

[Ice009]

Smart guy. That's the sort of player I'd want on my team, and I don't even know nothing about him.

[Mr. Body]

One draft lottery prospect reportedly refused to work out with the Hornets because he didn’t want to play with LaMelo Ball, per Mikelacett

I badly want Ace Bailey on Charlotte. I'd watch every game I could. Two psychos.

My guess is Kon Knueppel. There's no way a serious basketball player could play alongside LaMelo.

[Mr. Body]

Remember how Castle was almost clearly saying he didn't want to go to Charlotte last year, lol.

[Blizzardwizard]

I normally like Vecenie but he's missed the boat on this one. Beringer is completely theoretical. You'd have to dearly and sweetly hope and pray he ever becomes anything close to good. At happy risk of starting up old fights, the Adriatic League is like kiddie soccer compared to high end NCAA basketball and there's no contest.


beringer acquitted himself decently well against better EuroCup teams this year.


took considerable strides as a rebounder and shot-blocker down the stretch. not a shooter but the impressive combine measurements could easily be enough for PATFO to swing on beringer at #14 as a backup big project. won't stretch the floor but his upside could be a lively type of rim-runner.


as for the the ABA league, it lacks any real depth but i'd bet heavy money on its three European teams and big-spending dubai basketball (currently rostering davis bertans) against any college opposition right now.

[Mr. Body]

beringer acquitted himself decently well against better EuroCup teams this year.


took considerable strides as a rebounder and shot-blocker down the stretch. not a shooter but the impressive combine measurements could easily be enough for PATFO to swing on beringer at #14 as a backup big project. won't stretch the floor but his upside could be a lively type of rim-runner.


as for the the ABA league, it lacks any real depth but i'd bet heavy money on its three European teams and big-spending dubai basketball (currently rostering davis bertans) against any college opposition right now.

There's no way I take an Adriatic League team against the top line NCAA teams. The coaching, the prep, any of it, just not close at all.

[BatManu20]

1935546046647853078

[Blizzardwizard]

There's no way I take an Adriatic League team against the top line NCAA teams. The coaching, the prep, any of it, just not close at all.


tried to substantively engage with you on basketball talk for once and in response i'm met with bullshit platitudes like 'prep' to explain why teenagers fresh out of high school are beating euroleague teams with some of the best players on the continent and NBA alumni in the prime years of their careers.


lesson fucking learned :lol

[scottspurs]

1935546046647853078

No way this is true wtf! He is gonna pull a Kobe so he slips to 14 so he can play with Harper lmao someone please pick this guy so the spurs don’t have to make that decision

[scottspurs]

Has there ever been a top prospect that worked out for 0 teams?! That was healthy and not overseas playing in another league?

[T Park]

Suppose I gave you these three names--Bryant, Essengue, Coward--and told you two of them would bust and one would hit. Who would you think would be the hit?

Bryant

[Mr. Body]

tried to substantively engage with you on basketball talk for once and in response i'm met with bullshit platitudes like 'prep' to explain why teenagers fresh out of high school are beating euroleague teams with some of the best players on the continent and NBA alumni in the prime years of their careers.


lesson fucking learned :lol

You don't understand what 'prep' means? I gave you real reasons why high level NCAA is better. Why are you whining? Because I disagree that a mid-level pro league isn't actually that good? Have you ever seen the facilities alone that a school like Duke has?

Or do you just want me to say, yeah, sure, this guy Joan Beringer is actually good because he plays with over the hill NBA castoffs? Certainly not the best players on the continent in any way. Their coaching is probably at the level of low mid-majors.

There's really no argument here, but you can think you've made points or something here.

[Mr. Body]

I mean, bro, now that the NIL is a thing, young European players are starting to flood into US colleges. Why is this happening? Because now with money not being the obstacle, they fucking know that top end college basketball is far fucking better than most European club basketball. Hell, Ratioparm Ulm would get rocked by last year's UConn team.

[onechance87]

1935546046647853078

Thank goodness we didnt get the 3rd pick or else we would be dealing with this.

[Mr. Body]

Thank goodness we didnt get the 3rd pick or else we would be dealing with this.

It's totally bizarre that the Spurs wound up getting the one move-up pick that was the weirdest fit for them. Dylan Harper is super exciting but figuring this out is going to be hard.

That said, if they got the 3 or 4, there's no way in hell the Spurs would have considered Ace Bailey. I'm very confident about this.

[BackHome]

Has there ever been a top prospect that worked out for 0 teams?! That was healthy and not overseas playing in another league?

He probably has a team he want to go to and a promise to pick him if available

[scott]

Lots of Ace Bailey hanging out with Shadeur Sanders possibilities for the ChatGPT Images thread

[Uriel]

Imagine if the Spurs had gotten pick #3 instead of #2. Would they take Bailey?

[BatManu20]

Juicy.

1935552963671638186

[Uriel]

It's totally bizarre that the Spurs wound up getting the one move-up pick that was the weirdest fit for them. Dylan Harper is super exciting but figuring this out is going to be hard.

That said, if they got the 3 or 4, there's no way in hell the Spurs would have considered Ace Bailey. I'm very confident about this.
I mean, I’m not so sure. It’s clear that he doesn’t entirely have his head on straight, but the talent is undeniable, and the fit is seamless.

[CorrectCrusader]

Juicy.

1935552963671638186

Yo that's actually nuts.
Wonder what the picks are. Shows how teams view Harper though.

[BatManu20]

Imagine if the Spurs had gotten pick #3 instead of #2. Would they take Bailey?

Don't think they would've honestly, despite our desperate need for a wing. Bailey is a boom or bust prospect and seems like the exact opposite personality type that the Spurs want in the locker room.

1935556789614805099

[rascal]

Imagine if the Spurs had gotten pick #3 instead of #2. Would they take Bailey?

Maybe Bailey would have wanted to play for the Spurs.

[BatManu20]

Yo that's actually nuts.
Wonder what the picks are. Shows how teams view Harper though.

Yea I'm sure PATFO haven't received calls from numerous teams regarding the #2 Pick tbh. It's clear there's a considerable gap between Flagg + Harper and the rest of the draft pool. Glad the Spurs aren't budging though. We lucked into the 2nd Overall Pick in a draft where there's a clear-cut #2 prospect. You take him and don't look back, regardless of fit.

[Blizzardwizard]

You don't understand what 'prep' means? I gave you real reasons why high level NCAA is better. Why are you whining? Because I disagree that a mid-level pro league isn't actually that good? Have you ever seen the facilities alone that a school like Duke has?

Or do you just want me to say, yeah, sure, this guy Joan Beringer is actually good because he plays with over the hill NBA castoffs? Certainly not the best players on the continent in any way. Their coaching is probably at the level of low mid-majors.

There's really no argument here, but you can think you've made points or something here.


you're evading your own argument. you confidently claimed no ABA league could beat a top NCAA team and "it's not close at all".


fair enough. you clearly watch a lot of hoops. let's take last season's march madness winners, florida and the ABA league team that finished highest in euroleague last season, crvena zvezda.


how are florida winning in a way that's "not close at all"? roster-by-roster analysis and breakdown. strictly on-court stuff. genuinely intrigued to hear your take.

[Ignazzz]

Maybe Bailey would have wanted to play for the Spurs.
so #14 and future picks

[Ice009]

Remember how Castle was almost clearly saying he didn't want to go to Charlotte last year, lol.

No I don't. What did he say?

[RC_Drunkford]

https://x.com/mjacquiredtaste/status/1935346911558386067?s=46

This is why I can’t take raw bigs like Malauch seriously (sorry RC_Drunkford (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=53010)). Any other raw big could suddenly be the “player of the week” when someone finds new footage or information. It’s betting on too much theoretical upside.

nah Maluach got a good floor and good signs of upside. He has improved rapidly so far and at worst he's one of the best back up centers in the league. Beringer is all potential due to his physical traits and open growth plates, but he's not a safe bet for putting it all together. His floor is back up in Europe.

[RC_Drunkford]

I mean, bro, now that the NIL is a thing, young European players are starting to flood into US colleges. Why is this happening? Because now with money not being the obstacle, they fucking know that top end college basketball is far fucking better than most European club basketball. Hell, Ratioparm Ulm would get rocked by last year's UConn team.

you clearly have no idea what you are talking about :lol

[100%duncan]

Imagine if the Spurs had gotten pick #3 instead of #2. Would they take Bailey?

If we got the 3rd pick, the KD deal would've happened already :lol

[exstatic]

Pokusevski has that wingspan. Ousmene Dieng might have that wingspan. Suddenly they're not wings?

Poku is a 4/5 and OD is a 4. Not wings.

[exstatic]

Suppose I gave you these three names--Bryant, Essengue, Coward--and told you two of them would bust and one would hit. Who would you think would be the hit?

Bryant. Less of a mystery box than the other two.

[exstatic]

Thank goodness we didnt get the 3rd pick or else we would be dealing with this.

If we had drawn 3, we’d be picking Edgecombe.

[exstatic]

I mean, I’m not so sure. It’s clear that he doesn’t entirely have his head on straight, but the talent is undeniable, and the fit is seamless.


Don't think they would've honestly, despite our desperate need for a wing. Bailey is a boom or bust prospect and seems like the exact opposite personality type that the Spurs want in the locker room.

1935556789614805099

Seamless?

[Pauleta14]

I mean, bro, now that the NIL is a thing, young European players are starting to flood into US colleges. Why is this happening? Because now with money not being the obstacle, they fucking know that top end college basketball is far fucking better than most European club basketball. Hell, Ratioparm Ulm would get rocked by last year's UConn team.

Congrats on the dumbest take of the year!! :lol

You killed the competition

[buttsR4rebounding]

If we had drawn 3, we’d be picking Edgecombe.

And there would be 75 pages on how he is better than Harper…

[exstatic]

And there would be 75 pages on how he is better than Harper…

Is there currently 75 pages on how Harper is better than Flagg? That doesn’t track.

[couchman]

I generally hate trading down but I said before the lottery that if we got picks 3 or 4 I would be hoping to trade down. That’s how much I dislike those slots in this draft.
There is a significant drop off after 1-2, the guys projected 3-4 don’t inspire me, and the draft looks very flat to me from 3-9.
I’m so glad we aren’t trying to figure out #3 or #4.
Philly is so desperate to move off of #3 that they offered us multiple 1sts + #3 to move up and we hung up on them. Good.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Is there currently 75 pages on how Harper is better than Flagg? That doesn’t track.

exstatic: Spurstalk hall monitor...

[CGD]

Thank goodness we didnt get the 3rd pick or else we would be dealing with this.

Nah we would’ve taken VJ and slept great about the choice.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Nah we would’ve taken VJ and slept great about the choice.

Yep, there is a maybe 10% or so chance that he ends up as the best pick in this draft and probably a 30% or more chance that he ends up better than Harper. So while I am on board with drafting Harper Philly may be a real shit show for the next few years and getting a bunch of unprotected draft picks from them could be golden. If the Spurs decided to pull the trigger on the trade I wouldn't be upset.

[exstatic]

Yep, there is a maybe 10% or so chance that he ends up as the best pick in this draft and probably a 30% or more chance that he ends up better than Harper. So while I am on board with drafting Harper Philly may be a real shit show for the next few years and getting a bunch of unprotected draft picks from them could be golden. If the Spurs decided to pull the trigger on the trade I wouldn't be upset.

They have hanging picks already, 25 or 26 to OKC 1-4 protected and 27 or 28 to Brooklyn 1-8 protected. They do own a 28 LAC pick, but I’m not sure they can trade that right now,with those other interlocking conditional picks from 25 to 28. Stepien rules, and all.

[scottspurs]

Ace Bailey’s team is looking for a “pathway to stardom”. Sucks this kid is getting such terrible advice. He wants to be treated like Cooper Flagg. Red flag on red flag. Not even sure where to place him on a draft board now. Seems like a guy that will bail at the first sign of hardship. For now he wants to be star. When reality hits he will want to play with “other stars” and force his way out of whatever situation he is in. Even if he ends up as good as he thinks he is it sounds like he will end up a career journeyman. I still think he gets picked in the top 8 because it only takes one team but he is already hurting his perception coming into the league.

With the attitude him and his team are showing:

Not going to Mavericks or Spurs.

76ers have to be out canceling a workout is disrespectful.

His “team” probably doesn’t want hornets because that franchise has a terrible record of developing players. Also Lamelo Ball lol

Jazz on the surface makes sense but do they want to draft a guy “looking for stardom”. Utah is not the place where you go for that. I would be worried about him wanting to go to a big market as soon as he can. Things small markets have to think about when evaluating a player

Wizards at 6 make sense. DC in theory is a big market even if the franchise hasn’t been successful since the name change. Still do they want him influencing their other young players. One bad apple as they say

Pelicans at 7 lol. Pair him with wannabe be pornstar/domestic violence/SA charged Zion. Ride the bench behind Murphy and Herb Jones lmao. I’m sure his team wants that

Nets are the obvious choice if he falls but Sean Marks fresh off the Durant/Kyrie disaster does he really want to deal with this kid. I think he might get outvoted. But if he doesn’t…

I feel like the Raptors already have a clear vision for what they are going to do. They either have a prospect they really like Maluach/Essengue or they are working on a deal to trade this pick for a vet.

Rockets with Udoka and their roster would eat this kid alive. He would get humbled so fast. Honestly it might be the perfect spot for him to get humbled. He won’t get to play but if Udoka can change the attitudes of Jalen Green, Jabari Smith and others he can put Bailey in line.

If he falls past that who knows. Someone please pick him before 14. Keep him away from Harper. You also don’t want to pass on Harper’s friend but surely Dylan is smart enough to know they should not be paired together. He probably figured that out at Rutgers.

[Eaglenole2002]

Vecenie ranked his top 20 prospects of the past decade and Harper came in 14th. No surprise but Wemby was 1.

[ismael-robert]

Maybe it's an act to purposely fall to 14...he fills a need n would have way to stardom simply based on playtime

[Guru of Nothing]

Juicy.

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Do not seek the treasure.

nzyA-tHKjrM

[SpursFan86]

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Almost feel bad for the guy…does he not have any professional help around him to guide him through this process? Is he just receiving terrible advice? At this point it’s malpractice what his management team is doing with him…unless he really is just stubborn and telling everyone he’s going to do it his own way.

[scottspurs]

Vecenie ranked his top 20 prospects of the past decade and Harper came in 14th. No surprise but Wemby was 1.

lol so if you put those top 20 in this draft Harper would end up on the Spurs at 14!! It’s destiny lmao. Except we would lose Wemby.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/TheSteinLine/status/1935726415757852963

[Guru of Nothing]

If Markkanen gets dealt for PG, Wolf to Jazz at 21 would be a natural move to make.

[scottspurs]

This Ace Bailey stuff is getting ugly. I was listening to the Barlowe Brothers this morning and they said they heard rumors that Ace Bailey and his team are charging teams a certain amount of money in order to get an interview or workout with him. Can you imagine charging a potential employer for them to have the right to interview you for a job. It’s staring to look like we know what Ace Bailey and his “team” are all about $$$

[Mr. Body]

This Ace Bailey stuff is getting ugly. I was listening to the Barlowe Brothers this morning and they said they heard rumors that Ace Bailey and his team are charging teams a certain amount of money in order to get an interview or workout with him. Can you imagine charging a potential employer for them to have the right to interview you for a job. It’s staring to look like we know what Ace Bailey and his “team” are all about $$$

Wow. Shit.

[Spurs9]

1935682365818343758

Almost feel bad for the guy…does he not have any professional help around him to guide him through this process? Is he just receiving terrible advice? At this point it’s malpractice what his management team is doing with him…unless he really is just stubborn and telling everyone he’s going to do it his own way.
Probably would be Dennis 2.0 with this dude, I'd stay far away. Probably why the 76ers are trying so hard to get the #2.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1935731588752429119

[scottspurs]

Also they talk about how Ace Bailey’s agency is new and trying to revolutionize how they can get paid. They said there are reports that Ace Bailey doesn’t want to go to Phily, charlotte, or Utah. To me sounds like he is trying to force his way to Brooklyn. Nasty work

[scottspurs]

Another tidbit from the Barlowe Brothers about Bailey. When interviewing with teams he has been asking about his 2nd contract.

lol this guy wants a guarantee he will get a max extension before even stepping in the league

[dn0774]

For those questioning the intelligence of Ace Bailey's representation, he is sounding like the type of guy who would only hire someone willing to indulge in his narcissistic tendencies. Any agent who would've actually tried to guide/mentor Ace through this draft process in an appropriate manner was weeded out long ago. It really makes me wonder what Rutgers was like behind the scenes this last year.

[Mr. Body]

Ace Bailey to start selling NFTs and crypto currencies soon.

[Guru of Nothing]

This Ace Bailey stuff is getting ugly. I was listening to the Barlowe Brothers this morning and they said they heard rumors that Ace Bailey and his team are charging teams a certain amount of money in order to get an interview or workout with him. Can you imagine charging a potential employer for them to have the right to interview you for a job. It’s staring to look like we know what Ace Bailey and his “team” are all about $$$

No fucking way! :subscribed:

How much would he charge? If I'm the Sixers, I pay it and post that transaction online for the world to see - and then of course draft Edgecombe.

[scott]

Vecenie ranked his top 20 prospects of the past decade and Harper came in 14th. No surprise but Wemby was 1.

Are you able to post his list?

[BatManu20]

1935682365818343758

Almost feel bad for the guy…does he not have any professional help around him to guide him through this process? Is he just receiving terrible advice? At this point it’s malpractice what his management team is doing with him…unless he really is just stubborn and telling everyone he’s going to do it his own way.


This Ace Bailey stuff is getting ugly. I was listening to the Barlowe Brothers this morning and they said they heard rumors that Ace Bailey and his team are charging teams a certain amount of money in order to get an interview or workout with him. Can you imagine charging a potential employer for them to have the right to interview you for a job. It’s staring to look like we know what Ace Bailey and his “team” are all about $$$


Another tidbit from the Barlowe Brothers about Bailey. When interviewing with teams he has been asking about his 2nd contract.

lol this guy wants a guarantee he will get a max extension before even stepping in the league


Who does this faggot think he is :lmao. Never even seen a consensus #1 Overall Pick act this way, let alone a guy who would be lucky to go in the top-5 :lol. Kid is getting some legit terrible advice from whoever his handlers are if they rumors are true.

[BatManu20]

Ace Bailey has "bust" written all over him. Poor shot selection, poor ball-handler, poor finisher at the rim (42%), poor pull-up jump shooter from both the midrange (36%) and from 3 (24%), Negative Assist-to-turnover Ratio, low Rim Pressure Rate, average FT shooter, etc.

He was hailed as some elite athlete, and he measured in at a disappointing 6'7.5 barefoot at the combine after being labeled as 6'10 and had an even lower vertical than Kon Knueppel. Add in his seemingly terrible attitude and absurd ego and he has all the makings of a guy who will eventually be selling CD's out of the back of his car with Uncle Dennis tbh.

[R. DeMurre]

Are you able to post his list?

1. Wemby
2. Flagg
3. Zion
4. Cade
5. KAT
6. Ben Simmons
7. Markelle Fultz
8. Ja Morant
9. Deandre Ayton
10. Luka
11. Scoot Henderson
12. Jayson Tatum
13. Chet Holmgren
14. Dylan Harper
15. Jalen Suggs
16. Evan Mobley
17. Brandon Ingram
18. LaMelo Ball
19. Jabari Smith Jr
20. Paolo Banchero

[LeBowen]

1. Wemby
2. Flagg
3. Zion
4. Cade
5. KAT
6. Ben Simmons
7. Markelle Fultz
8. Ja Morant
9. Deandre Ayton
10. Luka
11. Scoot Henderson
12. Jayson Tatum
13. Chet Holmgren
14. Dylan Harper
15. Jalen Suggs
16. Evan Mobley
17. Brandon Ingram
18. LaMelo Ball
19. Jabari Smith Jr
20. Paolo Banchero

Lmao Luka 10th.
Anyone who saw him play in Euroleague would easily put him at #2.

[Eaglenole2002]

This Ace Bailey stuff is getting ugly. I was listening to the Barlowe Brothers this morning and they said they heard rumors that Ace Bailey and his team are charging teams a certain amount of money in order to get an interview or workout with him. Can you imagine charging a potential employer for them to have the right to interview you for a job. It’s staring to look like we know what Ace Bailey and his “team” are all about $$$

He immediately backtracked that because he misspoke. He’s not charging teams. It’s more like he’s charging for media appearances..

[Mr. Body]

1. Wemby
2. Flagg
3. Zion
4. Cade
5. KAT
6. Ben Simmons
7. Markelle Fultz
8. Ja Morant
9. Deandre Ayton
10. Luka
11. Scoot Henderson
12. Jayson Tatum
13. Chet Holmgren
14. Dylan Harper
15. Jalen Suggs
16. Evan Mobley
17. Brandon Ingram
18. LaMelo Ball
19. Jabari Smith Jr
20. Paolo Banchero

Scoot is just dumb. Anyone with a brain could see he was overrated.

Dylan stats out better than Cade, for what it's worth. Ben Simmons at LSU was already saying he didn't like playing basketball. Deandre Ayton, just no.

[R. DeMurre]

Scoot is just dumb. Anyone with a brain could see he was overrated.

Dylan stats out better than Cade, for what it's worth. Ben Simmons at LSU was already saying he didn't like playing basketball. Deandre Ayton, just no.


Yeah, for me Scoot's impact stats not improving at all between years 1 and 2 in the G league were a huge red flag. If you're not getting acclimated and improving by leaps and bounds from age 17 to 18 or 18 to 19, that's a big issue.

[Mnky]

This Ace Bailey stuff is getting ugly. I was listening to the Barlowe Brothers this morning and they said they heard rumors that Ace Bailey and his team are charging teams a certain amount of money in order to get an interview or workout with him. Can you imagine charging a potential employer for them to have the right to interview you for a job. It’s staring to look like we know what Ace Bailey and his “team” are all about $$$

His agent was asking for money to do interviews last year wasn't he?
Hear a lot of bad stories from that group. Feel like the agent is trying to make a name for himself over everything.

[LeBowen]

Yeah, for me Scoot's impact stats not improving at all between years 1 and 2 in the G league were a huge red flag. If you're not getting acclimated and improving by leaps and bounds from age 17 to 18 or 18 to 19, that's a big issue.

I never understood why did most reports rate Scoot as an S tier athlete, often comparing him to Westbrook. That's what gave him the most hype.
He obviously didn't have elite scoring or playmaking potential, but the projections about his athleticism were straight up wrong.
Made a lot of people think he's the next Westbrook. Worst of all, he doesn't even have the size, he's like 6'1.

[Spurs9]

His agent was asking for money to do interviews last year wasn't he?
Hear a lot of bad stories from that group. Feel like the agent is trying to make a name for himself over everything.
I bet if you dig enough the agent probably shills Solana rug coins too.

[spurraider21]

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[Mr. Body]

Nico's gonna shock the world with this one.

[scottspurs]

Taelon Peter worked out for the Spurs today. Guard from Liberty

[scottspurs]

Worked out/met with Spurs Tracker


LJ Cryer, Guard - Houston
Micah Peavy, Forward - Georgetown
RJ Felton, Guard - East Carolina
Jeremiah Fears, Guard - Oklahoma
John Tonje, Guard - Wisconsin
Sean Pedulla, Guard - Ole Miss
Thomas Sorber, Big - Georgetown
Cam Carter, Guard - LSU
Javon Small, Guard - West Virginia
Obinna Anochili-Killen, Forward - Marshall
Zeke Mayo, Guard - Kansas
Khaman Maluach, Big - Duke
Danny Wolf, Big - Michigan
Egor Demin, Forward - BYU
Dylan Harper, Guard - Rutgers
Dylan Cardwell, Big - Auburn
Kobe Sanders, Guard - Nevada
Taelon Peter, Guard - Liberty


Maxime Raynaud, Big - Stanford
(also worked out with Wemby)


Milos Uzan, Guard - Houston
(Returned to school)

[R. DeMurre]

I never understood why did most reports rate Scoot as an S tier athlete, often comparing him to Westbrook. That's what gave him the most hype.
He obviously didn't have elite scoring or playmaking potential, but the projections about his athleticism were straight up wrong.
Made a lot of people think he's the next Westbrook. Worst of all, he doesn't even have the size, he's like 6'1.


Anecdotal evidence, gets the casuals all the time. They saw him score a few times against Wemby in an exhibition game and decided he was the next big thing, and no larger sample sizes or nerdy negative win share stats were gonna stop them!

[CorrectCrusader]

Anecdotal evidence, gets the casuals all the time. They saw him score a few times against Wemby in an exhibition game and decided he was the next big thing, and no larger sample sizes or nerdy negative win share stats were gonna stop them!

It's more like the G league is possibly the WORST place to evaluate talent.

[exstatic]

Someone laughed at me when I said I wouldn’t draft Bailey at 14.

[Guru of Nothing]

Do players ever try to work language into their rookie contracts that forbid G league assignment? Just trying to imagine how a G League assignemnt for Bailey might play out.

[scott]

1. Wemby
2. Flagg
3. Zion
4. Cade
5. KAT
6. Ben Simmons
7. Markelle Fultz
8. Ja Morant
9. Deandre Ayton
10. Luka
11. Scoot Henderson
12. Jayson Tatum
13. Chet Holmgren
14. Dylan Harper
15. Jalen Suggs
16. Evan Mobley
17. Brandon Ingram
18. LaMelo Ball
19. Jabari Smith Jr
20. Paolo Banchero

Thanks! This roughly matches up with my impression of Dylan's relative ranking (I'd have him ahead of Scoot, but I'd had Paolo ahead of him). Have heard lots of chatter that he's the 3rd best prospect since 2020, but I don't agree with that. I'd have Cade, Chet and Paolo ahead of him.

I think I'd have Flagg behind Zion here personally. Sam was definitely too high on Scoot, but kind of just goes to show there are no "sure things". I don't think Sam's evaluation of Simmons, Fultz or Ayton were outliers by any means (obviously, since all three guys went #1 in their respective drafts). Probably a sign that while we should all be excited about Dylan, we should maybe pump the breaks on "his floor is a multiple time all star" kind of talk.

[The Truth #6]

I like Vecenie's podcast and his analysis, but then I see this top 20 list and wonder about his insight. Suggs at 15, five spots above Paolo? Regardless, good to see Harper somewhere on there, I suppose.

[Ice009]

Ace Bailey has "bust" written all over him. Poor shot selection, poor ball-handler, poor finisher at the rim (42%), poor pull-up jump shooter from both the midrange (36%) and from 3 (24%), Negative Assist-to-turnover Ratio, low Rim Pressure Rate, average FT shooter, etc.

He was hailed as some elite athlete, and he measured in at a disappointing 6'7.5 barefoot at the combine after being labeled as 6'10 and had an even lower vertical than Kon Knueppel. Add in his seemingly terrible attitude and absurd ego and he has all the makings of a guy who will eventually be selling CD's out of the back of his car with Uncle Dennis tbh.

I am pretty sure Brooklyn will take him at number 8. Maybe Ace (with the Rutgers connection) also wants to go there if he's tanking his value on purpose (Brooklyn could have made him a promise, and also there is a clear path for him there to take lots of shots).

[RC_Drunkford]

Ace Bailey probably won't even stay in the league for his entire 4-year rookie contract tbh


Thanks! This roughly matches up with my impression of Dylan's relative ranking (I'd have him ahead of Scoot, but I'd had Paolo ahead of him). Have heard lots of chatter that he's the 3rd best prospect since 2020, but I don't agree with that. I'd have Cade, Chet and Paolo ahead of him.

I think I'd have Flagg behind Zion here personally. Sam was definitely too high on Scoot, but kind of just goes to show there are no "sure things". I don't think Sam's evaluation of Simmons, Fultz or Ayton were outliers by any means (obviously, since all three guys went #1 in their respective drafts). Probably a sign that while we should all be excited about Dylan, we should maybe pump the breaks on "his floor is a multiple time all star" kind of talk.

I can't wait for the meltdowns when he airballs midrange shots. Happened a bunch of times in college, but of course nobody watched those tapes.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/RealGM/status/1935808429299208651

[Vienna]

Worked out/met with Spurs Tracker


LJ Cryer, Guard - Houston
Micah Peavy, Forward - Georgetown
RJ Felton, Guard - East Carolina
Jeremiah Fears, Guard - Oklahoma
John Tonje, Guard - Wisconsin
Sean Pedulla, Guard - Ole Miss
Thomas Sorber, Big - Georgetown
Cam Carter, Guard - LSU
Javon Small, Guard - West Virginia
Obinna Anochili-Killen, Forward - Marshall
Zeke Mayo, Guard - Kansas
Khaman Maluach, Big - Duke
Danny Wolf, Big - Michigan
Egor Demin, Forward - BYU
Dylan Harper, Guard - Rutgers
Dylan Cardwell, Big - Auburn
Kobe Sanders, Guard - Nevada
Taelon Peter, Guard - Liberty


Maxime Raynaud, Big - Stanford
(also worked out with Wemby)


Milos Uzan, Guard - Houston
(Returned to school)

Spurs work out Fears?
in what scenario could he become an option? I have a had time to imagine this. If he fell to 14? (0.1% chance this happens). and they would‘t trade up to get him, if they already got Harper. they trade #2 and end up with a pick in the 5-8 range? but if so, why don‘t they work out other player in that range, like Tre, Kon, Jakucionis?

[Dejounte]

I called it with the character issues way earlier in this thread tbh

[CGD]

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1935731588752429119

Why do I feel this guy will be the pick at 14?

[LeBowen]

Why do I feel this guy will be the pick at 14?

Suns need a C.

[CGD]

Spurs work out Fears?
in what scenario could he become an option? I have a had time to imagine this. If he fell to 14? (0.1% chance this happens). and they would‘t trade up to get him, if they already got Harper. they trade #2 and end up with a pick in the 5-8 range? but if so, why don‘t they work out other player in that range, like Tre, Kon, Jakucionis?

But I think if he gets past Brooklyn at 8 he could definitely fall for a while. The segments after 9 to at least 16 all have PGs or invested draft equity in PGs in recent years (Scoot, Reed).

[scott]

Spurs work out Fears?
in what scenario could he become an option? I have a had time to imagine this. If he fell to 14? (0.1% chance this happens). and they would‘t trade up to get him, if they already got Harper. they trade #2 and end up with a pick in the 5-8 range? but if so, why don‘t they work out other player in that range, like Tre, Kon, Jakucionis?

IIRC, he was one of the early guys the Spurs worked out at the combine, before or right around the lotto draw. He was probably someone the Spurs had on their radar before they were locked in on Harper.

[Mr. Body]

IIRC, he was one of the early guys the Spurs worked out at the combine, before or right around the lotto draw. He was probably someone the Spurs had on their radar before they were locked in on Harper.

I also think Fears makes little sense. If they had ever drafted him, they'd be guaranteed to have an undersized guard on the court at all times, with Fox. That's not great.

[scottspurs]

Spurs work out Fears?
in what scenario could he become an option? I have a had time to imagine this. If he fell to 14? (0.1% chance this happens). and they would‘t trade up to get him, if they already got Harper. they trade #2 and end up with a pick in the 5-8 range? but if so, why don‘t they work out other player in that range, like Tre, Kon, Jakucionis?

High, Drunk or crossfaded lol

[baseline bum]

KOC shitting all over Ace Bailey :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHNynR-9sc8

[scottspurs]

Having watched all the tape and running the analytics if I wanted to draft the best starting 5 Defensively in this draft it would be:

Guard: VJ Edgecombe
Guard: Nique Clifford
Forward: Collin Murray-Boyles
Forward: Cooper Flagg
Center: Thomas Sorber

If I wanted to draft the worst defense possible:

Guard: Mark Sears
Guard: Jeremiah Fears
Forward: Koby Brea
Forward: Bogoljub Markovic
Center: Danny Wolf

[mo7888]

Having watched all the tape and running the analytics if I wanted to draft the best starting 5 Defensively in this draft it would be:

Guard: VJ Edgecombe
Guard: Nique Clifford
Forward: Collin Murray-Boyles
Forward: Cooper Flagg
Center: Thomas Sorber

If I wanted to draft the worst defense possible:

Guard: Mark Sears
Guard: Jeremiah Fears
Forward: Koby Brea
Forward: Bogoljub Markovic
Center: Danny Wolf

I think Queen gives Wolf a run for his money on that one...

[sfernald]

KOC shitting all over Ace Bailey :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHNynR-9sc8

See when he’s not shitting on the spurs he’s great..

[scottspurs]

If I wanted to draft the best offense possible only using this draft class:

Guard: Dylan Harper
Guard Tre Johnson
Forward: Kon Knueppel
Forward: Cooper Flagg
Center: Derik Queen

Worst Offense possible using only this draft class:

Guard: Tyrese Proctor
Guard: Drake Powell
Forward: Noah Penda
Forward: Noa Essengue
Center: Joan Beringer

[scottspurs]

I think Queen gives Wolf a run for his money on that one...

Some might say that but I chose Wolf because Queen is a better rebounder defensively

[BatManu20]

1936161877337284770

[exstatic]

KOC shitting all over Ace Bailey :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHNynR-9sc8

TaT finally dropped him to 5.

[scottspurs]

Klutch Sports Clients


For those that believe the theory that Klutch Sports is trying to help the Spurs build their team


They Represent Head Coach Mitch Johnson and GM Brian Wright


They also recently Signed Becky Hammon as a client


2025 NBA Draft clients:


Walter Clayton Jr
Hansen Yang
Kobe Johnson
Vladislav Goldin
Khaman Maluach
Hunter Dickinson
Rasheer Fleming
Adou Thiero
Will Riley
Nolan Hickman
Khalif Battle

[baseline bum]

TaT finally dropped him to 5.

Even that seems high for a guy with no handle who plays no defense, is shorter than hyped, and has to be the dumbest draftee since Scotty Hopson.

[mo7888]

Some might say that but I chose Wolf because Queen is a better rebounder defensively

That's fair..

[Ice009]

Klutch Sports Clients


For those that believe the theory that Klutch Sports is trying to help the Spurs build their team


They Represent Head Coach Mitch Johnson and GM Brian Wright


They also recently Signed Becky Hammon as a client


2025 NBA Draft clients:


Walter Clayton Jr
Hansen Yang
Kobe Johnson
Vladislav Goldin
Khaman Maluach
Hunter Dickinson
Rasheer Fleming
Adou Thiero
Will Riley
Nolan Hickman
Khalif Battle





Wow, that's crazy. Didn't realize Brian Wright is signed by them, also forgot Mitch is too. Interesting list of draftees there too.

[ulosturedge]

IIRC, he was one of the early guys the Spurs worked out at the combine, before or right around the lotto draw. He was probably someone the Spurs had on their radar before they were locked in on Harper.

Naw, I'm thinking in this scenario they are wanting to assess his true value. That way they can use him as trade bait if for some reason he happened to fall to #14.

[TekXX]

Klutch Sports Clients


For those that believe the theory that Klutch Sports is trying to help the Spurs build their team


They Represent Head Coach Mitch Johnson and GM Brian Wright


They also recently Signed Becky Hammon as a client


2025 NBA Draft clients:


Walter Clayton Jr
Hansen Yang
Kobe Johnson
Vladislav Goldin
Khaman Maluach
Hunter Dickinson
Rasheer Fleming
Adou Thiero
Will Riley
Nolan Hickman
Khalif Battle





Help us build a good team or help their clients get paid? I guess the Mitch signing without competition makes sense now. They waited until Pop was incapacitated and took advantage of it.

[ace3g]

DLIflh-BTXc

[Ice009]

Help us build a good team or help their clients get paid? I guess the Mitch signing without competition makes sense now. They waited until Pop was incapacitated and took advantage of it.

What? Took advantage of what? Are you saying Mitch got the job due to being with Klutch? Care to elaborate what you mean? I don't think they forced the Spurs to give him the job.

[TekXX]

What? Took advantage of what? Are you saying Mitch got the job due to being with Klutch? Care to elaborate what you mean? I don't think they forced the Spurs to give him the job.

Maybe, considering the General Manager of the Spurs Mr. Wright is also a Klutch client.

[Degoat]

I’d almost guarantee one of those Klutch prospects are drafted by us lol been a big fan of Fleming! And I’m curious as to why Will Riley got a green room invite, someone had to make a promise to him

[dn0774]

Klutch Sports Clients


For those that believe the theory that Klutch Sports is trying to help the Spurs build their team


They Represent Head Coach Mitch Johnson and GM Brian Wright


They also recently Signed Becky Hammon as a client


2025 NBA Draft clients:


Walter Clayton Jr
Hansen Yang
Kobe Johnson
Vladislav Goldin
Khaman Maluach
Hunter Dickinson
Rasheer Fleming
Adou Thiero
Will Riley
Nolan Hickman
Khalif Battle





Wow feels like tons of conflict of interests there.

[onechance87]

Wow feels like tons of conflict of interests there.

will see with there moves this upcoming draft.

[cutewizard]

Guys, what do you think of this future prospect?

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