2025 NBA Draft

[scott]

not sure because I can only listen to about 15 seconds on locked on spurs before I’m like nope I’m out. I feel like every Spurs podcast is pretty mid though.

Haha... yeah, I'm pretty shocked that there is another human who think giving that Locked On host a microphone is a good idea.

Spurs Podcasts definitely range from "eh, I guess this is passable" (Small Market Bias, SSPN) to "holy shit what is this" (Locked On, Clan the Spurs Fan)

[Ariel]

Some other stuff I found from other teams:

76ers podcast said Harper is closer to Cooper Flagg as a prospect than the rest of the field is to Harper as a prospect. They think pick #3 and McCain can get them pick 2. They think Morey will only make moves that makes the team better next season and he will be short sighted because his job is on the line. They think it will be Tre Johnson at 3 or trade for a vet Star.

Jazz podcast hates VJ Edgecombe and hopes either Tre Johnson or Ace Bailey makes it 5. They don’t think pick #1 or 2 will be available for Anything other than Giannis. But they think they can trade up to #3. They really hate VJ to the point they would give up future assets to not be “stuck” with him at 5.

Wizards podcast had no clue what they will do at 6 but one of them knows a scout within the organization. He says the scout told him they know exactly who they are picking and it’s going to shock most people.

Pelican podcast I listened to seems to hate every prospect. Hates their team. Hates this draft. Hates Zion. So I didn’t really get anything out of listening to that.

Nets was the final one I listened to and they seem to love this draft and they have all sorts of scenarios lined up. From trading up to down, to getting more picks for some of their current players. Sounds like they would be happy picking 15 players in this draft and just staring from scratch lol.
You have still like 25 more team podcast to listen to, what are you doing posting here? Get to work, slacker!

[mystargtr34]

You have still like 25 more team podcast to listen to, what are you doing posting here? Get to work, slacker!

Lol how dare he come in here with only 20% of his work done.

[scottspurs]

Lmao that took 3 days to listen to all that. I was watching game 1 tonight so definitely slacking

[SpursFan86]

not sure because I can only listen to about 15 seconds on locked on spurs before I’m like nope I’m out. I feel like every Spurs podcast is pretty mid though.

Should start a SpursTalk podcast where we have a rotating group of 3-4 people tbh. If we could avoid getting kicked off Spotify might be super successful.

[sfernald]

Should start a SpursTalk podcast where we have a rotating group of 3-4 people tbh. If we could avoid getting kicked off Spotify might be super successful.

Spurs Digest is fun for the pure rumormongering lol.

[scott]

Should start a SpursTalk podcast where we have a rotating group of 3-4 people tbh. If we could avoid getting kicked off Spotify might be super successful.

I believe SpursTalk has some of the sharpest Spurs fans around… our ability to digest, analyze and discuss the game is truly a tier above what a typical fan can ever dream of…

With that said, without having personally met 99% of the people on this site, there is a whole element of a successful podcast that I don’t know if we have or not: people who can concisely and clearly verbally communicate. I actually think the SSPN guys are pretty good at this… they just aren’t that sharp when it comes to discussing the game.

High end production quality is the other key element… something that I find hilarious that Locked On Spurs can’t figure out. Sounds like Jeff Garcia’s dumbass is recording from his grandma’s closet.

[RC_Drunkford]

I believe SpursTalk has some of the sharpest Spurs fans around… our ability to digest, analyze and discuss the game is truly a tier above what a typical fan can ever dream of…

With that said, without having personally met 99% of the people on this site, there is a whole element of a successful podcast that I don’t know if we have or not: people who can concisely and clearly verbally communicate. I actually think the SSPN guys are pretty good at this… they just aren’t that sharp when it comes to discussing the game.

High end production quality is the other key element… something that I find hilarious that Locked On Spurs can’t figure out. Sounds like Jeff Garcia’s dumbass is recording from his grandma’s closet.

Facts, I thought the same. Everytime I watch Spurs content these dudes get all kind of shit wrong. Trades, draft assets, salary cap rules, etc. It's like listening to casual NBA fans who only start to watch games once the playoffs start.

When McCuckold, Mike Finger and Tom Orsborn were discussing draft targets at #14 on the Spurs Insider podcast, you know who they came up with? Liam McNeeley :lol

Orsborn was at the combine interviewing prospects and all he had to say was "maybe Liam McNeeley"? This dude didn't watch 1 minute of tape on any of the guys he was interviewing :lol

[Vienna]

I can understand that other prospects would be preferred over McNeeley.
I can also understand why some people don't want to draft this particular player under any circumstances.
But it's downright ridiculous to question the competence of people who consider McNeeley a possible or good choice for pick 14.
McNeeley will definitely be on the Spurs' list, whether he's at the top or not.
there will be a scenario where the Spurs draft McNeeley at 14.

[Ice009]

Facts, I thought the same. Everytime I watch Spurs content these dudes get all kind of shit wrong. Trades, draft assets, salary cap rules, etc. It's like listening to casual NBA fans who only start to watch games once the playoffs start.

When McCuckold, Mike Finger and Tom Orsborn were discussing draft targets at #14 on the Spurs Insider podcast, you know who they came up with? Liam McNeeley :lol

Orsborn was at the combine interviewing prospects and all he had to say was "maybe Liam McNeeley"? This dude didn't watch 1 minute of tape on any of the guys he was interviewing :lol

You guys here are great with all this kind of stuff. I've tried watching a few of those podcasts, but I turned all of them off after a minute. Couldn't handle them after reading the analysis and thoughts from you guys here. Haven't tried watching one in months.

I don't remember all the posters here from years ago, but I think the quality of posters here these days is really good overall.

[scottspurs]

You can’t watch the NBA finals last night and not think Liam Mcneely would get run off the floor. He is below the athletic threshold of the modern nba and Every single player on the Pacers and Thunder would target him every possible opportunity. Possession after possession he would get hunted until you had to bench him. Yes, his shooting and rebounding would be nice in the regular season but you can’t use him in the playoffs. So unless the Spurs are suddenly going to have the deepest bench in the league Mcneely doesn’t really fit.

[mo7888]

You can’t watch the NBA finals last night and not think Liam Mcneely would get run off the floor. He is below the athletic threshold of the modern nba and Every single player on the Pacers and Thunder would target him every possible opportunity. Possession after possession he would get hunted until you had to bench him. Yes, his shooting and rebounding would be nice in the regular season but you can’t use him in the playoffs. So unless the Spurs are suddenly going to have the deepest bench in the league Mcneely doesn’t really fit.

Nah... McNeely is a better athlete than he's given credit for here. I don't think he's our pick because I expect us to move it in a KD deal, but he'd be fine between Sochan and Castle.

[scottspurs]

Nah... McNeely is a better athlete than he's given credit for here. I don't think he's our pick because I expect us to move it in a KD deal, but he'd be fine between Sochan and Castle.
Taking athleticism out of it. Did you like his defense? Do you think he can switch in the NBA? I didn’t see that at all. Even if I’m wrong about his athleticism.

[mo7888]

Taking athleticism out of it. Did you like his defense? Do you think he can switch in the NBA? I didn’t see that at all. Even if I’m wrong about his athleticism.

I do think he can switch. In a help scheme he'll be an average defender. If you're trying to make him a straight up on ball defender you're gonna have a hard time.

[Seventyniner]

I believe SpursTalk has some of the sharpest Spurs fans around… our ability to digest, analyze and discuss the game is truly a tier above what a typical fan can ever dream of…

With that said, without having personally met 99% of the people on this site, there is a whole element of a successful podcast that I don’t know if we have or not: people who can concisely and clearly verbally communicate. I actually think the SSPN guys are pretty good at this… they just aren’t that sharp when it comes to discussing the game.

High end production quality is the other key element… something that I find hilarious that Locked On Spurs can’t figure out. Sounds like Jeff Garcia’s dumbass is recording from his grandma’s closet.

Maybe in the near future there will be an AI product that can take the best takes from this site, synthesize them, and produce a podcast of its own.

Or maybe it already exists?

[exstatic]

Maybe in the near future there will be an AI product that can take the best takes from this site, synthesize them, and produce a podcast of its own.

Or maybe it already exists?

ChatTIMVP

[The Truth #6]

Haha... yeah, I'm pretty shocked that there is another human who think giving that Locked On host a microphone is a good idea.

Spurs Podcasts definitely range from "eh, I guess this is passable" (Small Market Bias, SSPN) to "holy shit what is this" (Locked On, Clan the Spurs Fan)

Tom Petrini was good I thought but got shelved for the Locked On guy and their local broadcasters, idiotically. Small Market Bias should be good but seems to sniff too much for my taste.

[rascal]

I do think he can switch. In a help scheme he'll be an average defender. If you're trying to make him a straight up on ball defender you're gonna have a hard time.

McNeeley isn't that bad. He moves his feet well. People think he's white so he has to be slow. He's quicker than Knueppel who most everyone likes in here.

He's quicker than Sochan overall and definitely as a ball handler and finisher at the rim in transistion and I don't see any problem with him being able to switch.

[Degoat]

I think I have finally settled on,
#2- Dylan Harper
#14- Rasheer Fleming

[rascal]

I think I have finally settled on,
#2- Dylan Harper
#14- Rasheer Fleming

Portland is going to draft Fleming at 11.

Now who do you want at 14?

[scott]

Tom Petrini was good I thought but got shelved for the Locked On guy and their local broadcasters, idiotically. Small Market Bias should be good but seems to sniff too much for my taste.

Small Market Bias used to be my favorite, but Tynan has fallen into the typical credentialed Spurs Media trap with this air of - “I know more than all of you because I have access, but I can’t tell you… if you knew what I did, my sniffing would make sense”. It’s my biggest criticism of the guys with access, they value having and keeping their good graces with the team more than their journalistic integrity. Yes… there is a fine line and you never burn your sources… but a good journo knows they work for their audience, not for their sources.

[Degoat]

Portland is going to draft Fleming at 11.

Now who do you want at 14?

Hmmm, if he’s gone I kinda like Asa Newell. I think Fleming is available at 14 tho.

1. Flagg
2. Harper
3. Bailey
4. VJ
5. Tre
6. Noa Essengue (bold take)
7. Kon
8. Fears
9. Maluach
10. Carter
11. Kasparas
12. Queen
13. Sorber
14. Fleming

Newell, Egor, Liam, and maybe CMB could all climb into the top 14 as well.

[The Truth #6]

Small Market Bias used to be my favorite, but Tynan has fallen into the typical credentialed Spurs Media trap with this air of - “I know more than all of you because I have access, but I can’t tell you… if you knew what I did, my sniffing would make sense”. It’s my biggest criticism of the guys with access, they value having and keeping their good graces with the team more than their journalistic integrity. Yes… there is a fine line and you never burn your sources… but a good journo knows they work for their audience, not for their sources.

100% true

[vy65]

i think CMB is the best man to man defender in this draft and im struggling to think who the close second would be. and he's very, very switchable defensively. he seems to have great feel for the game when it comes to movement, rotations, and some pretty ridiculous touch passes (his assist totals dont do his passing justice). he also has great touch around the rim, really good motor, very strong/physical player, loves playing through contact, can defend up or down. there's a ton to like with his game

but he really plays like a face up big, and is under 6'7, though he has a 7 foot wingspan. he doesnt have much shooting range beyond the FT-line, maybe out to 16-17 feet which he can pull up and get into off the dribble. he barely takes 3's and barely makes the ones he does take. and for someone who has as much touch/feel going for him, he makes virtually no use of his off-hand. if you are going to be an undersized interior player, you are going to have to be ambidextrous and craftier than he is. his right hand is simply nonexistent.

you are basically banking on him being draymond

CMB is the Paul George of Dejuan Blairs

[vy65]

not sure because I can only listen to about 15 seconds on locked on spurs before I’m like nope I’m out. I feel like every Spurs podcast is pretty mid though.

Need a locked on spurstalk podcast tbh

[vy65]

Should start a SpursTalk podcast where we have a rotating group of 3-4 people tbh. If we could avoid getting kicked off Spotify might be super successful.

lol I posted before reading this. Wonder how Spotify would treat the "Four Rings Fagget" motto we'd run for the pod ...

[vy65]

Should start a SpursTalk podcast where we have a rotating group of 3-4 people tbh. If we could avoid getting kicked off Spotify might be super successful.

lol I posted before reading this. Wonder how Spotify would treat the "Four Rings Fagget" motto we'd run for the pod ...

[rascal]

Hmmm, if he’s gone I kinda like Asa Newell. I think Fleming is available at 14 tho.

1. Flagg
2. Harper
3. Bailey
4. VJ
5. Tre
6. Noa Essengue (bold take)
7. Kon
8. Fears
9. Maluach
10. Carter
11. Kasparas
12. Queen
13. Sorber
14. Fleming

Newell, Egor, Liam, and maybe CMB could all climb into the top 14 as well.

I don't see Portland taking another guard. Demin I can see Utah reaching for.

[absoloot66]

Maybe in the near future there will be an AI product that can take the best takes from this site, synthesize them, and produce a podcast of its own.

Or maybe it already exists?

Notebook LM (https://notebooklm.google/), tbh

[ginobilized]

Some other stuff I found from other teams:
Wizards podcast had no clue what they will do at 6 but one of them knows a scout within the organization. He says the scout told him they know exactly who they are picking and it’s going to shock most people.
l.

I'll be very curious as to what the Wizards do at 6. Carter Bryant, Essengue, CMB, Sorber, Maluach, Fears, Jacucionas, McNeeley? Hopefully, they knock a player down the line to us.

[RC_Drunkford]

I can understand that other prospects would be preferred over McNeeley.
I can also understand why some people don't want to draft this particular player under any circumstances.
But it's downright ridiculous to question the competence of people who consider McNeeley a possible or good choice for pick 14.
McNeeley will definitely be on the Spurs' list, whether he's at the top or not.
there will be a scenario where the Spurs draft McNeeley at 14.

That’s not the Point I was trying to make. What I‘m saying is he could only mention 1 prospect. There‘s like 10 that would fit. How are you at the combine and can‘t come up with multiple targets?

[Knoxxx]

I'll be very curious as to what the Wizards do at 6. Carter Bryant, Essengue, CMB, Sorber, Maluach, Fears, Jacucionas, McNeeley? Hopefully, they knock a player down the line to us.

I recall last year everyone said this was the best draft then suddenly it wasn’t. I think the 14 pick still shows very favorable math for us. The one guy posted a top 14 that didn’t even include McNeeley for example. I suspect Liam is better than the injuries and team situation he played with. The big thing is we need bigs, we don’t need guards dropping down to us at 14 such as Fears and Richardson. Fleming remains a solid option at 14 based on team need.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/TheSteinLine/status/1931437456957596116

[Mr. Body]

https://x.com/TheSteinLine/status/1931437456957596116

Did the Mavs just wake up and realize they had the number one pick?

[mo7888]

Did the Mavs just wake up and realize they had the number one pick?

I'm just wondering if they are going to schedule Harper for a visit...

[Mr. Body]

I'm just wondering if they are going to schedule Harper for a visit...

They should, regardless of what they do with the pick. It's a good chance to meet with players and make connections. Who knows with Dallas.

[keithington1]

I asked chat gpt why am I in love with Beringer:

The Spurs need Beringer because he’s the kind of high-upside gamble they thrive on. At 6′11″ with elite length, switchable defense, and explosive athleticism, he could anchor their paint while defending wings—something few bigs can do. His rebounding, rim protection, and lob-finishing fit perfectly next to Victor Wembanyama, while his raw offensive game gives San Antonio’s player development staff a blank canvas. He’s not just a fit—he’s a future weapon.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/swishcultures_/status/1931119824547234146

[mo7888]

https://x.com/swishcultures_/status/1931119824547234146

If the shot translates he's a top 3 pick..

[The Truth #6]

Is Demin a bad defender? I guess I'm really asking is he sort of like Josh Giddey? I thought his shooting was bad so I didn't consider him at all. I definitely can see the Spurs showing interest. But for me, bad shooting AND defense would be a hard no.

[rascal]

If the shot translates he's a top 3 pick..

Will the Jazz be able to not draft the local kid at 5?

[Mr. Body]

https://x.com/swishcultures_/status/1931119824547234146

If somehow he lasts to 14, I take him instantly. He probably goes top 10 at least.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/TheSteinLine/status/1931783546269729078

[exstatic]

If somehow he lasts to 14, I take him instantly. He probably goes top 10 at least.

Great! That’s all we need is ANOTHER fucking PG. There won’t be minutes for him! He’ll never develop! You’re an idiot not to see it!

[Mr. Body]

Great! That’s all we need is ANOTHER fucking PG. There won’t be minutes for him! He’ll never develop! You’re an idiot not to see it!

Lol, you're just a freak at this point. Settle down, junior.

[exstatic]

Lol, you're just a freak at this point. Settle down, junior.

That’s exactly how you come across. That’s YOU.

[Degoat]

Egor Denim does seem like a spurs guy, he’s more than just a PG he’s 6’9! He one of those positionless type of players the spurs like to target. I think he may go before 14 tho

[Biggems]

I like these players

Harper
Coward
McNeeley
Sorber
Broome
Raynaud

I would have no issue trading some of our current players to acquire the rights to some of them. Of course, this excludes Wemby, Fox, Castle, and Sochan.

I am also ok with trading away a few future assets, mostly 2nd round picks.

[scottspurs]

Is Demin a bad defender? I guess I'm really asking is he sort of like Josh Giddey? I thought his shooting was bad so I didn't consider him at all. I definitely can see the Spurs showing interest. But for me, bad shooting AND defense would be a hard no.

They mostly played stupid zone defense at BYU so really hard to evaluate his defense.

[mo7888]

Will the Jazz be able to not draft the local kid at 5?

That's a good question..

[CGD]

Is Demin a bad defender? I guess I'm really asking is he sort of like Josh Giddey? I thought his shooting was bad so I didn't consider him at all. I definitely can see the Spurs showing interest. But for me, bad shooting AND defense would be a hard no.

I would think the hope is he can hold up against modern 4s.

[exstatic]

Will the Jazz be able to not draft the local kid at 5?

There’s been pretty strong smoke and chatter for 2-3 weeks that the Jazz will select Fears at #5.

[rascal]

Egor Denim does seem like a spurs guy, he’s more than just a PG he’s 6’9! He one of those positionless type of players the spurs like to target. I think he may go before 14 tho

He's listed as a guard. He's playing out of position if not at guard. He's most effective as an on ball player.
With Harper Spurs will have enough on ball guards. Would rather have Fleming or McNeeley who fit in better at SF with the guards.

Demin isn't in a higher tier than McNeeley of Fleming, all in the same tier of players so just draft the better fit when in the same tier.

[Mr. Body]

He's listed as a guard. He's playing out of position if not at guard. He's most effective as an on ball player.
With Harper Spurs will have enough on ball guards. Would rather have Fleming or McNeeley who fit in better at SF with the guards.

Demin isn't in a higher tier than McNeeley of Fleming, all in the same tier of players so just draft the better fit when in the same tier.

Demin wasn't ball dominant and is not most effective as on-ball. He did a ton of secondary creation. As for position, a lot of arguments come from how people define things and argue because they haven't agreed on the basics. For me, Demin has wing size. Period. That's it. He has guard skills but can play off-ball on the wing, and if the Spurs want to continue with a beautiful game type style, and I think they will, this is the type of player you'd want.

McNeeley is pretty limited in range of skills but of course is a better shooter (or, not really, but projects to be). Fleming is strictly a play finisher and is not a beautiful game type guy.

[Mr. Body]

He's listed as a guard. He's playing out of position if not at guard. He's most effective as an on ball player.
With Harper Spurs will have enough on ball guards. Would rather have Fleming or McNeeley who fit in better at SF with the guards.

Demin isn't in a higher tier than McNeeley of Fleming, all in the same tier of players so just draft the better fit when in the same tier.

Demin wasn't ball dominant and is not most effective as on-ball. He did a ton of secondary creation. As for position, a lot of arguments come from how people define things and argue because they haven't agreed on the basics. For me, Demin has wing size. Period. That's it. He has guard skills but can play off-ball on the wing, and if the Spurs want to continue with a beautiful game type style, and I think they will, this is the type of player you'd want.

McNeeley is pretty limited in range of skills but of course is a better shooter (or, not really, but projects to be). Fleming is strictly a play finisher and is not a beautiful game type guy.

[The Truth #6]

He's listed as a guard. He's playing out of position if not at guard. He's most effective as an on ball player.
With Harper Spurs will have enough on ball guards. Would rather have Fleming or McNeeley who fit in better at SF with the guards.

Demin isn't in a higher tier than McNeeley of Fleming, all in the same tier of players so just draft the better fit when in the same tier.

I agree with Rascal here. Demin is a point guard who can't shoot well from outside or the FT line, has a poor handle, very unathletic, can't get by players at the college level, and not a good defender. His strength seems to be his great passing. I acknowledge that. But we don't need an on ball player playing off ball. I mean, sure, he could pass the ball around, but would get ignored on offense. To me he is low floor high ceiling.

I don't see how that is any better than Mamu. Mamu can shoot and move the ball around.

[Degoat]

I don’t see why Egor Denim couldn’t be what Kyle Anderson was for us, maybe even better. Yes Slow Mo had some weight to him but who’s to say Egor doesnt add some muscle.

[Mr. Body]

I agree with Rascal here. Demin is a point guard who can't shoot well from outside or the FT line, has a poor handle, very unathletic, can't get by players at the college level, and not a good defender. His strength seems to be his great passing. I acknowledge that. But we don't need an on ball player playing off ball. I mean, sure, he could pass the ball around, but would get ignored on offense. To me he is low floor high ceiling.

I don't see how that is any better than Mamu. Mamu can shoot and move the ball around.

He's straight up not a point guard. Stop listening to rascal, who never watches these players. He can play off-ball.

Demin was known as a good shooter before this year and has been having good workouts, maybe he's returning to form. If he's available in the late lottery, that's a sort of swing you take. No matter, he'll be picked earlier.

[mo7888]

I've got Demin #10 overall and in my 3rd tier, but he probably won't make it to #10

[CGD]

I've got Demin #10 overall and in my 3rd tier, but he probably won't make it to #10

I think he goes 5-8, and if not falls

[scottspurs]

Denim could be the mystery “surprise” Wizards pick that is being rumored at 6

[RC_Drunkford]

I had Demin on my radar 1.5 years ago. Was always high on him. He's not a guard, he's a point forward like Deni Avdija and I actually think he could become a better player than him. Has great size and his defense is good as far as I know. The only thing people are worried about is his scoring ability. If he adds a 3-point shot, that's gon open up everything on the offensive side for him. Since he's a high IQ player, I'm pretty confident that he could develop some moves on offense. That being said, I don't really see the Spurs picking him.

[mudyez]

Demin as a Slomo or Boris type of guy hits me. The question is, if he can be a good defender as well. KA and Diaw have been quite nice on that end.

[SpursGenius]

I like these players

Harper
Coward
McNeeley
Sorber
Broome
Raynaud

I would have no issue trading some of our current players to acquire the rights to some of them. Of course, this excludes Wemby, Fox, Castle, and Sochan.

I am also ok with trading away a few future assets, mostly 2nd round picks.
first two are studs. last 4 on your list are total ass

[Vienna]

Essengue is doing quite well in the German league play offs. In the 3 games in the semifinals series against Würzburg he averages 15.3PPG and 10.3 RPG, shot 4-10 from 3. his team now leads 2-1 and has a good shot at the finals.
if he can keep this level, with a lot of NBA people in the attendance, he should rise up on some teams boards, I would‘t be surprised if he goes top ten.
Same with Denim. Teams will see the theoretical potential and take a flyer, rather than use a top 10 pick on, say, CMB.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTcZrtk69VY

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zipJ476xrk

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPa98OOaRAo

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sH_SHRqFJY

[RC_Drunkford]

Essengue is doing quite well in the German league play offs. In the 3 games in the semifinals series against Würzburg he averages 15.3PPG and 10.3 RPG, shot 4-10 from 3. his team now leads 2-1 and has a good shot at the finals.
if he can keep this level, with a lot of NBA people in the attendance, he should rise up on some teams boards, I would‘t be surprised if he goes top ten.
Same with Denim. Teams will see the theoretical potential and take a flyer, rather than use a top 10 pick on, say, CMB.

for comparison reasons:

Essengue is averaging better numbers at 18 in the german league than washed up Serge Ibaka last year. And he has even better numbers in the playoffs. Should absolutely go top 10.

[scottspurs]

Worked out/met with Spurs Tracker


LJ Cryer, Guard - Houston
Micah Peavy, Forward - Georgetown
RJ Felton, Guard - East Carolina
Jeremiah Fears, Guard - Oklahoma
John Tonje, Guard - Wisconsin
Sean Pedulla, Guard - Ole Miss
Thomas Sorber, Big - Georgetown
Cam Carter, Guard - LSU
Javon Small, Guard - West Virginia
Obinna Anochili-Killen, Forward - Marshall
Zeke Mayo, Guard - Kansas
Khaman Maluach, Big - Duke
Maxime Raynaud, Big - Stanford
(also worked out with Wemby)

[RC_Drunkford]

people sleep on this kid


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQx85SG9imQ

[scott]

Worked out/met with Spurs Tracker


LJ Cryer, Guard - Houston
Micah Peavy, Forward - Georgetown
RJ Felton, Guard - East Carolina
Jeremiah Fears, Guard - Oklahoma
John Tonje, Guard - Wisconsin
Sean Pedulla, Guard - Ole Miss
Thomas Sorber, Big - Georgetown
Cam Carter, Guard - LSU
Javon Small, Guard - West Virginia
Obinna Anochili-Killen, Forward - Marshall
Zeke Mayo, Guard - Kansas
Khaman Maluach, Big - Duke
Maxime Raynaud, Big - Stanford
(also worked out with Wemby)

Interesting the Spurs haven’t met with any of the Top 5 guys yet (Fears and Maluach being the highest rated players they’ve met with thus far)

[exstatic]

people sleep on this kid


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQx85SG9imQ

I keep coming back to the combine agility test, where it took him 5-6 times, because he kept kicking cones over, and they had to reset it each time. If you can’t keep your feet inside that box, how are you going to stay in front of skill players on switches? He maybe one of those guys with some positive attributes like Edey, but you can play him off the floor in any minutes that matter.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/1932149762649653707

[mo7888]

https://x.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/1932149762649653707

Ex is right...this dude is a straight up hater...or moron...

[SpursFan86]

“All-Star caliber players that actually want to play for the Spurs are hard to come by.”

Alright yeah, this guy can go fuck himself :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

people sleep on this kid





I keep coming back to the combine agility test, where it took him 5-6 times, because he kept kicking cones over, and they had to reset it each time. If you can’t keep your feet inside that box, how are you going to stay in front of skill players on switches? He maybe one of those guys with some positive attributes like Edey, but you can play him off the floor in any minutes that matter.

Maybe watch some tape instead of taking one combine test as the end all be all? He proved he can stay in front of guards plenty of times in his college season and his main issue is positioning, not agility.

[dubross]

KOC has some valid points but he is a big time spurs hater too. His wording oozes spurs hate

[scottspurs]

KOC is so salty! Every word he says and every word he types is anti San Antonio Spurs. Spurs could have prime Jordan, Kareem, Curry, Tim Duncan and LeBron James and he would say the spurs need to start over the team doesn’t fit. He thinks every draft pick of the spurs sucks, thinks no free agents so ever come to San Antonio and every current player should ask for a trade. I truly think someone made him eat dog shit in some back alley in San Antonio and every breathe is revenge from here on out.

[RC_Drunkford]

In Oklahoma City, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Jalen Williams, Lu Dort and basically the entire roster have improved.


Of course, it helps when you hire Chip Engelland. In 2022, the Thunder poached the NBA’s most respected shot doctor after he spent nearly two decades in San Antonio. Since then, Oklahoma City’s shooting has trended up. San Antonio’s has flatlined. Jeremy Sochan is just as suspect of a shooter as he was at Baylor. Keldon Johnson has regressed. Devin Vassell has smooth mechanics and touch, but even he’s never cracked 40% from 3. The Spurs used to be the league’s gold standard for skill development. Now no one’s getting better as a shooter except for Wemby himself. But in his two seasons, the Spurs have ranked 28th and 20th in 3-point percentage.

well he's not wrong with this one

[The Truth #6]

Compared to Pop, Mitch seems much more open to a modern NBA offense with 3P shooting. Hopefully, results improve. Didn't they hire a new shooting coach?

[dn0774]

Compared to Pop, Mitch seems much more open to a modern NBA offense with 3P shooting. Hopefully, results improve. Didn't they hire a new shooting coach?

Yea they did, this guy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Baron_(basketball)).

Short white guy shooting coach, real original guys.

[RC_Drunkford]

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[Degoat]

My semi bold take for this draft, I think a few years from now Jeremiah Fears is one of the best players from this draft.

[SpursBills]

people sleep on this kid


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQx85SG9imQ

Give me your best sell on Maluach. I'm very high on him personally, but a lot of the guys I like this year are very against consensus on this board. Do you see him more as a bigger Capela type, or do you believe in the shot long term / late development arc given his late intro into basketball? Do you see him as a long-term backup to Wemby, or do you think the Spurs could build inside-out with a double-big lineup to lean into rebounding, size, and 2 pt FG efficiency? Lastly do you see Fox/Castle as efficient enough playmakers to maximize Maluach's ability as an elite play-finisher?

[exstatic]

My semi bold take for this draft, I think a few years from now Jeremiah Fears is one of the best players from this draft.

He’s mature way beyond his years. He also gets to the rack,and draws a LOT of fouls for an 18 YO playing in a major conference. I think he will be atop 3 pick in a redraft after three seasons. Danny Ainge is rumored to be picking him at 5, and that maybe the smartest thing he’s done in Utah.

[BackHome]

I agree the only thing he is lacking is a 3 point shot the rest of his shooting numbers are good and his free throw percentage lends him to be above average 3 point shooter. Once he puts on 10 to 15pds of muscle his finishing numbers will easily improve as well as his defense.

[T Park]

My semi bold take for this draft, I think a few years from now Jeremiah Fears is one of the best players from this draft.

Barlowe has him rated above Dylan harper *shrugs* we'll see

[J_Paco]

https://x.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/1932149762649653707

A lot of valid concerns, but dripping with unneeded snark and a condescending tone.

Going from 28th to 20th in 3PT% is a good thing, yet O'Conner makes it seem like it's terrible.

The Spurs need more shooting around their 'core' players - Wemby, Fox, Castle & potentially Harper - but internal growth could also greatly help.

[RC_Drunkford]

Give me your best sell on Maluach. I'm very high on him personally, but a lot of the guys I like this year are very against consensus on this board. Do you see him more as a bigger Capela type, or do you believe in the shot long term / late development arc given his late intro into basketball? Do you see him as a long-term backup to Wemby, or do you think the Spurs could build inside-out with a double-big lineup to lean into rebounding, size, and 2 pt FG efficiency? Lastly do you see Fox/Castle as efficient enough playmakers to maximize Maluach's ability as an elite play-finisher?

- has only played basketball for 5 years and never had 24/7 access to a court until last year when he came to Duke
- has improved rapidly
- has great signs of touch around the rim
- has flashes of a jumpshot (76% FT shooting, midrange, 25% from 3 on few attempts but is not scared to shoot them)
- can finish with both hands
- has a standing reach that's 1 inch shorter than Wemby's
- better rebounder than advertised: his defensive rebounding numbers are lower because Duke played in a hedge scheme, not drop coverage
- agile enough to guard on the perimeter, gets mostly blown by due to wrong footwork, is long enough to recover
- best dunk rate of a prospect since 2008

I woudln't compare him to Capela at all. My main comparison is he's Gobert with offensive potential. Gobert is a multi-time All-Star and DPOY, has butterfingers and no shot. Maluach has better hands, is a better vertical spacer and has better touch and a better shot. I think poor man's Gobert is his floor. And if you add the offense to it than you know what the ceiling is.

One thing why I think Maluach is very intriguing is that when Wemby is off the floor, teams immediately try to attack the rim. But in this case, you'd have a back up C with almost the same standing reach. That means the paint is shut down for all 48 minutes.

Second, you will need a back up big who can run efficient pick & rolls with our guard duo in Fox and Castle. Maluach as a screener, rollman and vertical spacer would be amazing. Especially when you consider that Fox will probably be out there with him when Wemby sits.

Third, the league is going back to double big. Imagine having 2 Wemby's on defense and a 7 footer in KD as your small forward. Add a jumbo guard like Castle and it's absolutely over for teams trying to score on you.

Fourth, Wemby likes to play on the perimeter. Having a big in the paint who grabs offensive boards when Wemby shoots those deep 3s could absolutely destroy teams. Now imagine if Maluach actually becomes a shooter and can be Wemby's Brook Lopez on offense? Imagine those oops Sochan is getting when he's cutting from the corner, but it's a player of Wemby's size who's actually a shooting threat as well? Teams will have enough problems guarding Wemby/Fox/KD. If you add this problem they might just stay home and forfeit the game.

So yeah, I could see them play together for like 5 min. at the start of each half and then get staggered. And when it's time to extend him, he'll probably never get the max because he's playing with/behind Wemby and that's the guy who wins all the DPOY's.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/Sam_Vecenie/status/1932401204853911909

[SpursFan86]

Summary of Athletic’s/Vecenie’s big board…he notes that he actually doesn’t see many stars coming from this class, but he thinks it’s a deep class in terms of producing solid rotation players.

Tier 1 (All-NBA caliber):

1) Flagg

Tier 2 (All-Star caliber):

2) Harper

Tier 3 (High leverage starters):

3) Knueppel
4) Edgecombe
5) Tre Johnson
6) Bailey

Tier 4 (Starters):

7) Jakucionis
8) CMB
9) Bryant
10) Coward
11) Queen
12) Maluach

Tier 5 (Rotational players):

13) Wolf
14) Sorber
15) Penda
16) Essengue
17) Richardson
18) Fears
19) Beringer
20) Clayton Jr.
21) McKneeley
22) Traore
23) Clifford
24) Riley
25) Demin
26) Kalkbrenner

[scottspurs]

Danny Wolf worked out with the Spurs yesterday. Same as Maxime Raynaud. Apparently both were in for two day visits. The workout featured several bigs. Not sure who the other bigs were.

[scottspurs]

Worked out/met with Spurs Tracker


LJ Cryer, Guard - Houston
Micah Peavy, Forward - Georgetown
RJ Felton, Guard - East Carolina
Jeremiah Fears, Guard - Oklahoma
John Tonje, Guard - Wisconsin
Sean Pedulla, Guard - Ole Miss
Thomas Sorber, Big - Georgetown
Cam Carter, Guard - LSU
Javon Small, Guard - West Virginia
Obinna Anochili-Killen, Forward - Marshall
Zeke Mayo, Guard - Kansas
Khaman Maluach, Big - Duke
Danny Wolf, Big - Michigan


Maxime Raynaud, Big - Stanford
(also worked out with Wemby)


Milos Uzan, Guard - Houston
(Returned to school)

[Dejounte]

Worked out/met with Spurs Tracker


LJ Cryer, Guard - Houston
Micah Peavy, Forward - Georgetown
RJ Felton, Guard - East Carolina
Jeremiah Fears, Guard - Oklahoma
John Tonje, Guard - Wisconsin
Sean Pedulla, Guard - Ole Miss
Thomas Sorber, Big - Georgetown
Cam Carter, Guard - LSU
Javon Small, Guard - West Virginia
Obinna Anochili-Killen, Forward - Marshall
Zeke Mayo, Guard - Kansas
Khaman Maluach, Big - Duke
Danny Wolf, Big - Michigan


Maxime Raynaud, Big - Stanford
(also worked out with Wemby)


Milos Uzan, Guard - Houston
(Returned to school)

Demin already met with Spurs too

[scottspurs]

Demin already met with Spurs too
Nice find I’ll add him to the list

[sfernald]

A lot of valid concerns, but dripping with unneeded snark and a condescending tone.

Going from 28th to 20th in 3PT% is a good thing, yet O'Conner makes it seem like it's terrible.

The Spurs need more shooting around their 'core' players - Wemby, Fox, Castle & potentially Harper - but internal growth could also greatly help.

Thats just his style tho. He’s snarky about everything.

[ace3g]

Jonathan Givony
@DraftExpress
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NEWS: Oklahoma guard Jeremiah Fears has received a green room invite to attend the NBA Draft with his family, a source told ESPN


Jonathan Givony
@DraftExpress
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NEWS: Duke center Khaman Maluach has received a green room invite to attend the NBA Draft with his family, a source told ESPN

Jonathan Givony
@DraftExpress
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2m
NEWS: Texas wing Tre Johnson has received a green room invite to attend the NBA Draft with his family, a source told ESPN

[ace3g]

Jonathan Givony
@DraftExpress
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28s
NEWS: Oklahoma guard Jeremiah Fears has received a green room invite to attend the NBA Draft with his family, a source told ESPN


Jonathan Givony
@DraftExpress
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1m
NEWS: Duke center Khaman Maluach has received a green room invite to attend the NBA Draft with his family, a source told ESPN

Jonathan Givony
@DraftExpress
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2m
NEWS: Texas wing Tre Johnson has received a green room invite to attend the NBA Draft with his family, a source told ESPN

[ace3g]

Jonathan Givony
@DraftExpress
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43s
NEWS: BYU guard Egor Demin has received a green room invite to attend the NBA Draft with his family, a source told ESPN.

Jonathan Givony
@DraftExpress
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2m
NEWS: Illinois guard Kasparas Jakucionis has received a green room invite to attend the NBA Draft with his family, a source told ESPN

Jonathan Givony
@DraftExpress
·
3m
NEWS: Duke wing Kon Knueppel has received a green room invite to attend the NBA Draft with his family, a source told ESPN

[ace3g]

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1932425724956131579

[ace3g]

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1932522064432542120

[TD 21]

The only surprise among the initial 13 green room invites is Newell.

[PhantomDashCam]

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Queen feels like to me the one who may be hanging out in the Green Room for awhile...

[John B]

Danny Wolf worked out with the Spurs yesterday. Same as Maxime Raynaud. Apparently both were in for two day visits. The workout featured several bigs. Not sure who the other bigs were.

Ma man

https://images.app.goo.gl/tmBaKfWAovHrM8TU7
https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/blob:https://www.spurstalk.com/0ac4272f-597e-428f-9671-0cf997809764

[rankingtear]

Since 2 is going to be traded to BKN. Who we getting with 8 and 19. Young OG and Wemby's butt buddy?

[exstatic]

Since 2 is going to be traded to BKN. Who we getting with 8 and 19. Young OG and Wemby's butt buddy?

We’re not trading 2 to Brooklyn.

[rankingtear]

We’re not trading 2 to Brooklyn.

UTA? we getting Klay and Poeltl 2.0.

[RC_Drunkford]

Since 2 is going to be traded to BKN. Who we getting with 8 and 19. Young OG and Wemby's butt buddy?

Maluach, Tre Johnson, Essengue or Ace Bailey

Coward, Bryant, Fleming, Traore, Clifford, Raynaud

plus players and future picks, depending on who we trade with. NOLA, Utah and ATL are in the mix as well.

[John B]

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Queen feels like to me the one who may be hanging out in the Green Room for awhile...

Another Duren or Sengun and will average double-doubles. His numbers will be All-Star but unplayable in the playoffs for his lack of defense.

But I get a feeling Spurs will be picking one of Brooklyn’s late picks for Keldon plus #38, and will pick any of Reynaud, Fleming or even Wolf, the bigs they’re working out today. #14 will be included in the trade for Durant.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/Eurohoopsnet/status/1932685006603685901

[ace3g]

https://x.com/espn/status/1932822658942489039

[ace3g]

https://x.com/KyleNeubeck/status/1932854442795094120

[spurraider21]

supposedly atlanta looking to package 13 and 22 to move up for Maluach

[RC_Drunkford]

ATL wants Maluach and Demin. They are also looking at centers in the 2nd round are trying to buy a second round pick.

[exstatic]

ATL wants Maluach and Demin. They are also looking at centers in the 2nd round are trying to buy a second round pick.

They’ll probably have to give up both picks to move up enough to grab Maluach.

[Degoat]

According to Sam Amico, “Spurs drafting Dylan Harper is NOT a done deal.” Take that for whatever it’s worth

[Mr. Body]

If Hawks come out with Maluach, good job to them esp considering they didn't have their own pick this year. That's not good for us.

[scottspurs]

According to Sam Amico, “Spurs drafting Dylan Harper is NOT a done deal.” Take that for whatever it’s worth
Sam Amico has no clue what the Spurs will do either way lmao

[RC_Drunkford]

nobody has a clue what the Spurs will do in the draft

[scottspurs]

nobody has a clue what the Spurs will do in the draft

Well hopefully the Spurs do lol but yeah I agree

[Mr. Body]

1. Journalists need to generate clicks and attention.

2. Dylan Harper has not been drafted yet.

3. There is a chance that the Spurs do something else.

[John B]

According to Sam Amico, “Spurs drafting Dylan Harper is NOT a done deal.” Take that for whatever it’s worth

It would be a catastrophic meltdown if Spurs did not draft Harper at #2.

I don't think ST server would take it. And I hate to imagine grown up ST posters crying in their parents garage

[spurraider21]

Amico is basically a sentient Centel

[RC_Drunkford]

the KD trade will tell us more. If it happens before the draft. It could happen on draft night :lol

[rankingtear]

Malauch, Nipple, Essengue, Bryant with darkhorse Demin, Jaku, Newell. Reports leaking out of #2 trade already should discuss this guys now.

[Pauleta14]

Have the Spurs ever drafted the best player available?

I'm afraid those rumors could have legs

[Mr. Body]

Have the Spurs ever drafted the best player available?

I'm afraid those rumors could have legs

Yea? A year ago?

[exstatic]

Yea? A year ago?

And two years ago?

[palangi]

Have the Spurs ever drafted the best player available?

I'm afraid those rumors could have legs

i don’t think this is going to go over how you think!!!
Castle???
Wemby????
Duncan???

[rankingtear]

Have the Spurs ever drafted the best player available?

I'm afraid those rumors could have legs

Branham, Wesley, DJ, KA, KJ, Lonnie, Blair, Tre, Wemby, JA

[Pauleta14]

I'm OBVIOUSLY not talking about no brainers 1st picks guys...

Castle fit a need as much as being bpa

Vassell and Sochan were fits more than bpa

[exstatic]

I'm OBVIOUSLY not talking about no brainers 1st picks guys...

Castle fit a need as much as being bpa

Vassell and Sochan were fits more than bpa

This #2 is a clear no brainer, as was Castle at #4 last year.

[scottspurs]

Michael Ruzic one of the better draft and stash candidates from this class has withdrawn his name.

[SpursFan86]

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Philly seems like a weird choice, Harper isn’t necessarily a great fit there either.

[Pauleta14]

This #2 is a clear no brainer, as was Castle at #4 last year.

I'm not so sure.

I hate to have to side with KOC but he makes some good point about the fit and Harper shooting.

It's just a feeling, not a wish but I think PATFO have decided to build with Fox and Castle and in a talented draft they could go for the fit rather than the (supposed) bpa

Knuppel seems obvious but the more I watch and learn about Maluach the more I think he can become a monster in this league, his progresses have been exponential and he seems to have a real feel for the game.

Imagine him paired with Wemby...

[RC_Drunkford]

I'm not so sure.

I hate to have to side with KOC but he makes some good point about the fit and Harper shooting.

It's just a feeling, not a wish but I think PATFO have decided to build with Fox and Castle and in a talented draft they could go for the fit rather than the (supposed) bpa

Knuppel seems obvious but the more I watch and learn about Maluach the more I think he can become a monster in this league, his progresses have been exponential and he seems to have a real feel for the game.

Imagine him paired with Wemby...

They are trading down. Maluach is the supposed target, but this could also be a classic San Antonio smokescreen. My guess is they are definitely targeting a frontcourt player. And they definitely have a clear target, otherwise those reports wouldn't be coming out:

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[Mr. Body]

I fully agree about moving up from the 14. I've been consistent about that area being a dead spot relatively and the pickings not too great. If they don't move it for Durant.

However, I do think they'll wind up taking it and much ado about nothing here.

About Harper, they're not trading that one, I wouldn't think.

[RedAzSa]

I'm trying to wrap my head around the idea of trading down and what adequate value would even look like. With Philly calling about #2 and NO supposedly interested in Ace, what if it ended up being something like:

SA: #7, PHI 2031, TMIII, Jared McCain
PHI: #2
NO: #3

+matching salaries

Passing up on Harper would be a tough pill to swallow regardless.

[picnroll]

Would you give up Vassel and the 14th, would that move the Spurs up, and if so for who.

[palangi]

I'm OBVIOUSLY not talking about no brainers 1st picks guys...

Castle fit a need as much as being bpa

Vassell and Sochan were fits more than bpa

you’re OBVIOUSLY moving the goal posts!!

[TD 21]

I'm trying to wrap my head around the idea of trading down and what adequate value would even look like. With Philly calling about #2 and NO supposedly interested in Ace, what if it ended up being something like:

SA: #7, PHI 2031, TMIII, Jared McCain
PHI: #2
NO: #3

+matching salaries

Passing up on Harper would be a tough pill to swallow regardless.

My thoughts exactly.

If we presume that Branham and Johnson would be the matching salary to the 76ers and Pelicans, respectively and that this hypothetical would be dependent on Maluach being available at 7, this would basically fill every need.

I'm not even sure how much a Durant trade would make sense at that point, but if it's in conjunction with it, then Vassell, Barnes, 14 and the 76ers '31 1st or Sochan? would leave the following rotation . . .

Starters: Durant, Murphy III, Wembanyama, Castle, Fox

Bench: McCain, Maluach, Champagnie, Sochan?

[RedAzSa]

My thoughts exactly.

If we presume that Branham and Johnson would be the matching salary to the 76ers and Pelicans, respectively and that this hypothetical would be dependent on Maluach being available at 7, this would basically fill every need.

I'm not even sure how much a Durant trade would make sense at that point, but if it's in conjunction with it, then Vassell, Barnes, 14 and the 76ers '31 1st or Sochan? would leave the following rotation . . .

Starters: Durant, Murphy III, Wembanyama, Castle, Fox

Bench: McCain, Maluach, Champagnie, Sochan?
I'm not necessarily in support of that path... but that would be a pretty exciting team imo

[Truckules]

Is there a world where there's a 3 team trade sending pick 2 to Philly, pick 3 to Dallas, and pick 1 to the Spurs? I struggle to see much value in trading pick 2 to Philly for pick 3 plus a couple picks 5 years in the future given the uncertainty around the value of those future picks.

[DAF86]

They are trading down. Maluach is the supposed target, but this could also be a classic San Antonio smokescreen. My guess is they are definitely targeting a frontcourt player. And they definitely have a clear target, otherwise those reports wouldn't be coming out:

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I've been out for a while, why is my man suddenly talking in every single post as if he got inside info, tbh? :lol

[DAF86]

If Flagg didn't exist, Harper would be the unquestioned #1 pick. If the Spurs are really considering trading away from picking a #1 talent in the draft, they better be damn certain about who they are targetting and what else they are trying to get, tbh.

Imagine a near future, where Harper becomes an all-star, and the Spurs are the team that traded away Dylan Harper for fringe rotation player Khaman fucking Maluach. It's a scary thought.

[spurraider21]

My thoughts exactly.

If we presume that Branham and Johnson would be the matching salary to the 76ers and Pelicans, respectively and that this hypothetical would be dependent on Maluach being available at 7, this would basically fill every need.

I'm not even sure how much a Durant trade would make sense at that point, but if it's in conjunction with it, then Vassell, Barnes, 14 and the 76ers '31 1st or Sochan? would leave the following rotation . . .

Starters: Durant, Murphy III, Wembanyama, Castle, Fox

Bench: McCain, Maluach, Champagnie, Sochan?
this seems like way too much of a pipe dream

so if i have this straight, spurs give

#2 and 14, Vassell, Barnes

and get #7, Durant, Trey Murphy, and Jared McCain?

[spurraider21]

Maluach terrifies me. tantalizing tools but i think he has high bust potential. and even if he pans out, he may not be able to share the floor with wemby much

good amount of risk for potentially not much reward if he just ends up a good backup center who we cant afford to keep 4 years later because you cant overpay backups

[SpursBills]

My thoughts exactly.

If we presume that Branham and Johnson would be the matching salary to the 76ers and Pelicans, respectively and that this hypothetical would be dependent on Maluach being available at 7, this would basically fill every need.

I'm not even sure how much a Durant trade would make sense at that point, but if it's in conjunction with it, then Vassell, Barnes, 14 and the 76ers '31 1st or Sochan? would leave the following rotation . . .

Starters: Durant, Murphy III, Wembanyama, Castle, Fox

Bench: McCain, Maluach, Champagnie, Sochan?

While this is a lineup I can definitely get behind, and I find it plausible that Philly would do 2 for 3 + McCain + 2031 1st, I find it very hard to believe that NO would be dumb enough to offer #7 and TMIII for even Vassell + #3, never mind Keldon and Branham

[scottspurs]

Joan Beringer’s official measurements from his abbreviated 2025 NBA Draft Combine make-up activities, per source.


6’11” barefoot, 234.8 lbs with a 7’4½” wingspan and a 9’3” standing reach.

[scottspurs]

Real Madrid’s Hugo González’s anthro measurements from his abbreviated 2025 NBA Draft Combine make-up activities:


6’6 ¼" barefoot, 222.7 lbs with a 6’10 ¾" wingspan, 8’5 ½" standing reach, and 9” x 10 ¼" hands

[sfernald]

Omg you guys are giving away the future harden/shai foul merchant rookie that would be the absolute perfect pairing with Wemby for 10 years for some lettuce and fucking cottage cheese!!

Theres a reason Morey wants him. He recognized what the last harden was capable of.

[Degoat]

I miss reading TIMMVP big board updates and news…

[RedAzSa]

While this is a lineup I can definitely get behind, and I find it plausible that Philly would do 2 for 3 + McCain + 2031 1st, I find it very hard to believe that NO would be dumb enough to offer #7 and TMIII for even Vassell + #3, never mind Keldon and Branham
Perhaps. I’m just projecting the type of value I’d like to see if we did want to trade down. Not there? Take Harper and don’t look back.

[Knoxxx]

Real Madrid’s Hugo González’s anthro measurements from his abbreviated 2025 NBA Draft Combine make-up activities:


6’6 ¼" barefoot, 222.7 lbs with a 6’10 ¾" wingspan, 8’5 ½" standing reach, and 9” x 10 ¼" hands

Nice measurements for he and Beringer but for us those are guys projected to go well after 14 and well before 38 I believe. Are you implying we try and exchange such as for a couple of the BRK picks to go after one or both of them? What’s your end game here?

[scottspurs]

Nice measurements for he and Beringer but for us those are guys projected to go well after 14 and well before 38 I believe. Are you implying we try and exchange such as for a couple of the BRK picks to go after one or both of them? What’s your end game here?
lol I was just posting the measurements. You never know what the Spurs will do and they could be trade back candidates

[goliath]

If Flagg didn't exist, Harper would be the unquestioned #1 pick. If the Spurs are really considering trading away from picking a #1 talent in the draft, they better be damn certain about who they are targetting and what else they are trying to get, tbh.

Imagine a near future, where Harper becomes an all-star, and the Spurs are the team that traded away Dylan Harper for fringe rotation player Khaman fucking Maluach. It's a scary thought.

Exactly. Imagine watching the Harper led Nets get to the finals or the Harper led Pelicans knocking us out of the playoffs in four or five years because we traded Harper for two starters that fit better

[J_Paco]

Thats just his style tho. He’s snarky about everything.

Good point.

I stop paying attention to him when his 'best PG prospect since J. Kidd' infatuation, Killian Hayes, flamed out in Detroit.

And him constantly shitting on Spurs (current or former) players deservedly (Zach Collins) or not (Jeremy Sochan).

[J_Paco]

Harper is big (6'7" in shoes with a 6'11" wingspan) enough to play SF/Point Forward, so not sure the obsession with getting Murphy III - who is a very good pro, but Harper has a higher ceiling - just because of a perceived 'fit.'

Spurs can use other avenues - later 1st, free-agency or trade - to acquire more defense and three-point shooting.

[chubbs]

rumor has it spurs are in advanced discussions to trade the #2 pick for kd

[Uriel]

Harper is big (6'7" in shoes with a 6'11" wingspan) enough to play SF/Point Forward, so not sure the obsession with getting Murphy III - who is a very good pro, but Harper has a higher ceiling - just because of a perceived 'fit.'

Spurs can use other avenues - later 1st, free-agency or trade - to acquire more defense and three-point shooting.
Harper is 6”7 in shoes? I thought he was 6”4.5 barefoot.

[J_Paco]

Harper is 6”7 in shoes? I thought he was 6”4.5 barefoot.

You are correct since I was looking at tankathon's profile for him. And it is likely adding an inch for his height in shoes.

Still, he's a solid 6'6" in shoes which is fine for a modern SF.

He's a similar size and build to Aaron Nesmith.

[DAF86]

this seems like way too much of a pipe dream

so if i have this straight, spurs give

#2 and 14, Vassell, Barnes

and get #7, Durant, Trey Murphy, and Jared McCain?

Not saying I'd do it, but take away Philly from it. Spurs/Pelicans straight up: #2 + Vassell + Keldon for #7 + TM3 + Herb + a 26 first rounder.

You draft either Knuepel or Malauch with #7.

Roster:

Fox / Castle
Knuepel / Champagnie
TM3 / Sochan
Herb / Barnes
Wemby / Brook Lopez (free agent)

And you still have #14.

I probably still wouldn't do it, but that's the least we would have to get for me to even consider it.

[TD 21]

While this is a lineup I can definitely get behind, and I find it plausible that Philly would do 2 for 3 + McCain + 2031 1st, I find it very hard to believe that NO would be dumb enough to offer #7 and TMIII for even Vassell + #3, never mind Keldon and Branham

I'm not saying they would. But if they're as high on Bailey as some say they supposedly are, then it's all but certain they'd have to package either Jones or Murphy III with 7 to move up and Murphy III has both more overlap with Bailey and would fill more of a need for the Spurs than Jones would.

Also, though stereotypical, Dumars and Weaver are both old, which means they're less likely to be analytically inclined.

[Dverde]

Pelicans cannot be that desperate. I could see the Wizards offering anyone but Sarr for #2. They are more desperate to be legitimate.

[Ice009]

I'm not saying they would. But if they're as high on Bailey as some say they supposedly are, then it's all but certain they'd have to package either Jones or Murphy III with 7 to move up and Murphy III has both more overlap with Bailey and would fill more of a need for the Spurs than Jones would.

Also, though stereotypical, Dumars and Weaver are both old, which means they're less likely to be analytically inclined.

You think NO wants the 2nd pick to draft Bailey? Philadelphia would be ecstatic if the pick was traded and they took Bailey. In a case like that, you may as well trade with Philadelphia for the 3rd pick, then trade the 3rd to NO.

[Uriel]

Maluach terrifies me. tantalizing tools but i think he has high bust potential. and even if he pans out, he may not be able to share the floor with wemby much

good amount of risk for potentially not much reward if he just ends up a good backup center who we cant afford to keep 4 years later because you cant overpay backups
I don't think he has high bust potential at all, I think he's a very safe pick. The reason I say that is because he only started playing basketball relatively recently and he was already a defensive force as a freshman in college basketball. He will only get better from here. I see him as a rich man's Jakob Poeltl.

[Pauleta14]

you’re OBVIOUSLY moving the goal posts!!

No I'm not.

1st picks like TD or Wemby aren't subject to long reflections

I could've added Primo in the best fit rather than bpa

[Pauleta14]

Maluach terrifies me. tantalizing tools but i think he has high bust potential. and even if he pans out, he may not be able to share the floor with wemby much

good amount of risk for potentially not much reward if he just ends up a good backup center who we cant afford to keep 4 years later because you cant overpay backups


Explain why pls...

I'm getting higher on him and trying to find why he could be a bust.

He has the size (7'2), length (7'5 wingspan), mobility, touch around the rim, work ethic, great character and he barely started playing basketball 4-5 years ago.

I think he could be the steal of this draft if he slips past the top10

[John B]

I fully agree about moving up from the 14. I've been consistent about that area being a dead spot relatively and the pickings not too great. If they don't move it for Durant.

However, I do think they'll wind up taking it and much ado about nothing here.

About Harper, they're not trading that one, I wouldn't think.

I agree. The Spurs will be moving up from either #14 or #38 to grab a defensive big.

#2 Harper is a no brainer. You don’t pass on drafting a potential Harden caliber player, and trade down for a Trey Murphy?? Or because there’s a potential problem with signing all 4 of your best players?? So you trade down?? It’s the most silliest thing I’ve read from ST. You’re lucky you landed Harper. Draft him and figure it out.

Vassell becomes the odd man because of Harper. Vassell needs to be moved before his trade value gets hit for reduced minutes. The Spurs need help on 1. rebounding, 2. PF/C paint defense. If the target is Maluach, then I expect any of Vassell/Keldon/Barnes to be traded with #14 and/or #38.

KD is a pipe dream. He’s an expensive 1 year rental and it’s not really the best option. First, he’s too expensive if Spurs have to go on a bidding war. Secondly, he doesn’t help with the minutes. Already Spurs will have Wemby, Fox, Castle taking most shots, plus Harper, then you add KD? What the Spurs need is a defensive big who will defend the post, get some rebounds and an opportunistic scorer like Naz Reid, not another max guy who will demand the ball!

The best scenario, draft #2 Harper. Trade up to draft Maluach (if he’s the target) and move Vassell in the process. Sign either Adams or Capela. Draft a project big or a shooter at #38. And if you’re lucky, John Collins opts out and ring chase.

[Ice009]

I agree. The Spurs will be moving up from either #14 or #38 to grab a defensive big.

#2 Harper is a no brainer. You don’t pass on drafting a potential Harden caliber player, and trade down for a Trey Murphy?? Or because there’s a potential problem with signing all 4 of your best players?? So you trade down?? It’s the most silliest thing I’ve read from ST. You’re lucky you landed Harper. Draft him and figure it out.

Vassell becomes the odd man because of Harper. Vassell needs to be moved before his trade value gets hit for reduced minutes. The Spurs need help on 1. rebounding, 2. PF/C paint defense. If the target is Maluach, then I expect any of Vassell/Keldon/Barnes to be traded with #14 and/or #38.

KD is a pipe dream. He’s an expensive 1 year rental and it’s not really the best option. First, he’s too expensive if Spurs have to go on a bidding war. Secondly, he doesn’t help with the minutes. Already Spurs will have Wemby, Fox, Castle taking most shots, plus Harper, then you add KD? What the Spurs need is a defensive big who will defend the post, get some rebounds and an opportunistic scorer like Naz Reid, not another max guy who will demand the ball!

The best scenario, draft #2 Harper. Trade up to draft Maluach (if he’s the target) and move Vassell in the process. Sign either Adams or Capela. Draft a project big or a shooter at #38. And if you’re lucky, John Collins opts out and ring chase.

I agree with pretty much all of what you said. I wouldn't waste time or any more assets than what has been discussed here for KD. If it costs more than the 14th pick and a couple of other players, I'm fine to completely forget about getting him. Move on and try and trade up with a similar package the Spurs were going to offer for Durant (if the Suns don't take it), and definitely keep the 2nd pick.

[RC_Drunkford]

Exactly. Imagine watching the Harper led Nets get to the finals or the Harper led Pelicans knocking us out of the playoffs in four or five years because we traded Harper for two starters that fit better

if he plays for the Pelicans he's most likely injured when we play them :lol

[scottspurs]

Dylan Harper visited the Spurs this past week in San Antonio. Spurs are not bringing in any other top prospects for visits.

[scottspurs]

Worked out/met with Spurs Tracker


LJ Cryer, Guard - Houston
Micah Peavy, Forward - Georgetown
RJ Felton, Guard - East Carolina
Jeremiah Fears, Guard - Oklahoma
John Tonje, Guard - Wisconsin
Sean Pedulla, Guard - Ole Miss
Thomas Sorber, Big - Georgetown
Cam Carter, Guard - LSU
Javon Small, Guard - West Virginia
Obinna Anochili-Killen, Forward - Marshall
Zeke Mayo, Guard - Kansas
Khaman Maluach, Big - Duke
Danny Wolf, Big - Michigan
Egor Demin, Forward - BYU
Dylan Harper, Guard - Rutgers


Maxime Raynaud, Big - Stanford
(also worked out with Wemby)


Milos Uzan, Guard - Houston
(Returned to school)

[SpursFan86]

Dylan Harper visited the Spurs this past week in San Antonio. Spurs are not bringing in any other top prospects for visits.

Not doubting you, but where did you see this? Seems like a weird thing for the Spurs to come out and say (that they’re done interviewing any prospects).

[scottspurs]

Not doubting you, but where did you see this? Seems like a weird thing for the Spurs to come out and say (that they’re done interviewing any prospects).

Spurs didn’t announce it

[exstatic]

I don't think he has high bust potential at all, I think he's a very safe pick. The reason I say that is because he only started playing basketball relatively recently and he was already a defensive force as a freshman in college basketball. He will only get better from here. I see him as a rich man's Jakob Poeltl.

Spurs have had zero luck with project bigs like Mahinmi and Livio Jean-Charles. You have to squint real hard, and wish and hope for the highest level outcome. I Stopped pining for builds and physical attributes long ago.

[mo7888]

With the talk of moving up to #3 and absorbing PG's contract (which i think is a long shot), if we ended up with 2 + 3 do you offer that to Dallas for #1 or just draft. If you draft, who do you take at 3?

[BatManu20]

Amico dropping this "insider info" shortly after Sham's tweet :lol

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[scottspurs]

For those of you that also can’t stand KOC this is Ron Harper’s reaction to him saying the spurs should trade down off Dylan Harper.

“I love all of these fake GM and players that never played I can’t wait to watch and talk about your kid playing at the YMCA… lol his career will be better than yours….” - Ron Harper

[spurraider21]

With the talk of moving up to #3 and absorbing PG's contract (which i think is a long shot), if we ended up with 2 + 3 do you offer that to Dallas for #1 or just draft. If you draft, who do you take at 3?
i'd offer #2 and 3 to Dallas for sure, but i dont think they'd take it. if there was another player who was harper-tier, then i think that convo would be more serious

the spurs having Fox/Castle/George/Flagg/Wemby would be nuts lol

[mo7888]

i'd offer #2 and 3 to Dallas for sure, but i dont think they'd take it. if there was another player who was harper-tier, then i think that convo would be more serious

the spurs having Fox/Castle/George/Flagg/Wemby would be nuts lol

So who would you take at #3?

For me I'd take Ace or trade back with Brooklyn for Cam + their 1st and still get my target of Kon or Maluach, whichever they are after.

[SpursFan86]

Spurs didn’t announce it

Well I know, but I mean it’s strange for them to tell some reporter or whoever that they’re done with the process and won’t be bringing anyone else in :lol

[spurraider21]

So who would you take at #3?

For me I'd take Ace or trade back with Brooklyn for Cam + their 1st and still get my target of Kon or Maluach, whichever they are after.
i'd just take Ace

with that said im not convinced the sixers would give #3 just to move off George, so this is all candyland

[RC_Drunkford]

let me easy y'all mind on the Harper front

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[spurraider21]

Nets do need a point guard bad, its why i have them taking Kasparas in my mock if i remember correct, but i dont see any deal id want from them for Harper

if Utah was wanting harper, i know it be in the minority here, but id be open to a trade back scenario where we get Lauri and 5

[LeBowen]

let me easy y'all mind on the Harper front

But what about them trades and massive roster turnover?
Your gimmick didn't even last 48h. :lmao

[mo7888]

i'd just take Ace

with that said im not convinced the sixers would give #3 just to move off George, so this is all candyland

I'm on record as them trading PG + 3 is a long shot too. Although I do think alot of teams are brainstorming moves we wouldn't normally see because of the changing landscape.

[scottspurs]

Well I know, but I mean it’s strange for them to tell some reporter or whoever that they’re done with the process and won’t be bringing anyone else in :lol

They obviously have brought in other prospects. Harper is the only top prospect though. Fears, Maluach, Sorber, Demin they all met with at the combine.

[RC_Drunkford]

But what about them trades and massive roster turnover?
Your gimmick didn't even last 48h. :lmao

https://media1.tenor.com/m/-No-KmLCVXYAAAAd/angry-angry-cat.gif

[sfernald]

I'm on record as them trading PG + 3 is a long shot too. Although I do think alot of teams are brainstorming moves we wouldn't normally see because of the changing landscape.

PG + 3 for Vassell + Barnes + 14 + 38 + 2 ‘26 seconds

That seem slightly more fair for Philly no?

As spurs I would def consider it at least.

[mo7888]

PG + 3 for Vassell + Barnes + 14 + 38 + 2 ‘26 seconds

That seem slightly more fair for Philly no?

As spurs I would def consider it at least.

I think that's fair for both sides...

[scottspurs]

Ulm’s Noa Essengue’s anthro measurements from his abbreviated 2025 NBA Draft Combine make-up activities (cm converted, rounded to nearest ¼"):


6’10” barefoot, 203.9 lbs with a 7’0 ¾" wingspan, 9’1 ¾" standing reach, and 9” x 10 ¾" hands

[scottspurs]

Ulm’s Noa Essengue’s anthro measurements from his abbreviated 2025 NBA Draft Combine make-up activities (cm converted, rounded to nearest ¼"):


6’10” barefoot, 203.9 lbs with a 7’0 ¾" wingspan, 9’1 ¾" standing reach, and 9” x 10 ¾" hands

[scottspurs]

Ulm’s Ben Saraf’s anthro measurements from his abbreviated 2025 NBA Draft Combine make-up activities (rounded to nearest ¼"):


6’6” barefoot, 199 lbs with a 6’8 ¾" wingspan, 8’4” standing reach, and 8” x 9 ½" hands

[mo7888]

Ulm’s Noa Essengue’s anthro measurements from his abbreviated 2025 NBA Draft Combine make-up activities (cm converted, rounded to nearest ¼"):


6’10” barefoot, 203.9 lbs with a 7’0 ¾" wingspan, 9’1 ¾" standing reach, and 9” x 10 ¾" hands

His draft stock just went up and it was already pretty high...

[scottspurs]

Saraf can probably play Forward with that size. This should move him up draft boards

[scottspurs]

His draft stock just went up and it was already pretty high...

Yeah I don’t think he makes it to 14 now

[mo7888]

Yeah I don’t think he makes it to 14 now

I think it puts him in the discussion with Ace Bailey as to who the top 3/4 is in this draft.....after Flagg of course...

[SpursFan86]

Essengue was already looking like a lock to go top 10 with his recent play. With these measurements I think he legitimately has a chance to go top 5 or 6.

[exstatic]

I think it puts him in the discussion with Ace Bailey as to who the top 3/4 is in this draft.....after Flagg of course...

I think ultimately NE will be a better player than AB.

[exstatic]

Essengue was already looking like a lock to go top 10 with his recent play. With these measurements I think he legitimately has a chance to go top 5 or 6.

OTOH, Risacher and Sarr may have put people off French talent.

[Mr. Body]

Essengue was already looking like a lock to go top 10 with his recent play. With these measurements I think he legitimately has a chance to go top 5 or 6.

But... he's still the same player.

I don't get this line of thought. He was already a limited player with theoretical upside. What changed? Nothing.

[Uriel]

Spurs have had zero luck with project bigs like Mahinmi and Livio Jean-Charles. You have to squint real hard, and wish and hope for the highest level outcome. I Stopped pining for builds and physical attributes long ago.
I don’t see him as a project big. I see him as a relatively safe pick with huge upside.

[Degoat]

Been really watching a lot of scouting breakdowns for players with the 14th pick range and it made me start to wonder… Do yall think our draft philosophy changes with Johnson as the coach? Like we always go for Spur type of guys, could we drift from that somewhat with Pop being gone

[Guru of Nothing]

Essengue to the Wizards tbh. Build out that French connection to attract Wemby as a FA. I see you.

[SpursGenius]

Ulm’s Noa Essengue’s anthro measurements from his abbreviated 2025 NBA Draft Combine make-up activities (cm converted, rounded to nearest ¼"):


6’10” barefoot, 203.9 lbs with a 7’0 ¾" wingspan, 9’1 ¾" standing reach, and 9” x 10 ¾" hands
That’s basically KD measurements. Wow wish we could have gotten him. I would trade 14 KJ Vasell for him. Even it means we take 40 million in dead salary from whoever we make trade with to match kj vassell salariea

[RC_Drunkford]

Ulm’s Noa Essengue’s anthro measurements from his abbreviated 2025 NBA Draft Combine make-up activities (cm converted, rounded to nearest ¼"):


6’10” barefoot, 203.9 lbs with a 7’0 ¾" wingspan, 9’1 ¾" standing reach, and 9” x 10 ¾" hands


But... he's still the same player.

I don't get this line of thought. He was already a limited player with theoretical upside. What changed? Nothing.

these are center measurements. If this kid ever learns how to shoot he'll be a monster. You can play him at the 5 and the 4, that makes him a very safe pick. Especially because he always finds ways to impact the game although he's very raw.

[rascal]

That’s basically KD measurements. Wow wish we could have gotten him. I would trade 14 KJ Vasell for him. Even it means we take 40 million in dead salary from whoever we make trade with to match kj vassell salariea

No that's too much. I wouldn't even draft him at 14. There will be better prospects at 14. He's being overrated in here like other prospects. Kid looks weak in his movements(stated as raw by some) and lacks explosiveness. People comparing him to Ace saying he's better have a poor judgment on talent.

He looks closer to Ousmane Dieng than Ace Bailey.

[ginobilized]

6ers and Wiz are the lottery wildcards. I could see the 6ers take Tre Johnson over Edgecomb.
The Wiz might reach for Essengue or, my guess, Fears. They might be done with Jordan Poole.

Can't wait for Wednesday and Thursday.

[RC_Drunkford]

No that's too much. I wouldn't even draft him at 14. There will be better prospects at 14. He's being overrated in here like other prospects. Kid looks weak in his movements(stated as raw by some) and lacks explosiveness. People comparing him to Ace saying he's better have a poor judgment on talent.

He looks closer to Ousmane Dieng than Ace Bailey.

Ousmane Dieng averaged 9 points and 3 boards in New Zealand. Essengue is putting up better numbers in the german playoffs than old Ibaka in his first non-NBA year in the same league.

[Mr. Body]

these are center measurements. If this kid ever learns how to shoot he'll be a monster. You can play him at the 5 and the 4, that makes him a very safe pick. Especially because he always finds ways to impact the game although he's very raw.

I wouldn't draft a tree just because it's tall. It's cool that he has good measurements, but I've watched the tape. He has a lot of problem areas and I'm not going to draft him ten slots too early because he measured a little different.

Point of fact: I've been watching Derek Queen stuff a little again. His athletic measurements were crap, but he moves and handles the ball so well for a guy his size, and his touch around the rim is excellent. Such soft hands and knowledge of how to play. He might be drafted ten spots too late because of his measurements.

[mo7888]

I wouldn't draft a tree just because it's tall. It's cool that he has good measurements, but I've watched the tape. He has a lot of problem areas and I'm not going to draft him ten slots too early because he measured a little different.

Point of fact: I've been watching Derek Queen stuff a little again. His athletic measurements were crap, but he moves and handles the ball so well for a guy his size, and his touch around the rim is excellent. Such soft hands and knowledge of how to play. He might be drafted ten spots too late because of his measurements.

I've watched him too. He's raw, but improving (especially towards the end of the season). He's not Salaun or ousmane. He ahead of both significantly with better measurements. He's the type of calculated gamble a team should make. He'll go top 10.

[Dejounte]

I've watched him too. He's raw, but improving (especially towards the end of the season). He's not Salaun or ousmane. He ahead of both significantly with better measurements. He's the type of calculated gamble a team should make. He'll go top 10.

What did he improve upon “especially” towards the end of the season? Genuinely curious. He was quite the nonfactor in the pivotal game against Houston with 0 rebounds. There are prospects I like that had terrible games towards the end too. I’m just curious what you saw. So far it sounds like a Cody Williams type take to say there’s a lot of upside on a guy that hasn’t done a lot to warrant folks raving about him.

[mo7888]

What did he improve upon “especially” towards the end of the season? Genuinely curious. He was quite the nonfactor in the pivotal game against Houston with 0 rebounds. There are prospects I like that had terrible games towards the end too. I’m just curious what you saw. So far it sounds like a Cody Williams type take to say there’s a lot of upside on a guy that hasn’t done a lot to warrant folks raving about him.

Mainly in court awareness and his scoring/shooting. Im not saying he's a finished product, but he's improved over the season by a good bit. Early he really didn't look like he knew what he was doing out there and now you can see more confidence in his game like he knows he belongs.

[RC_Drunkford]

I wouldn't draft a tree just because it's tall. It's cool that he has good measurements, but I've watched the tape. He has a lot of problem areas and I'm not going to draft him ten slots too early because he measured a little different.

Point of fact: I've been watching Derek Queen stuff a little again. His athletic measurements were crap, but he moves and handles the ball so well for a guy his size, and his touch around the rim is excellent. Such soft hands and knowledge of how to play. He might be drafted ten spots too late because of his measurements.

Essengue will be a way better player than Queen down the line. I wouldn't touch Queen with a 10-foot pole

[Mr. Body]

What did he improve upon “especially” towards the end of the season? Genuinely curious. He was quite the nonfactor in the pivotal game against Houston with 0 rebounds. There are prospects I like that had terrible games towards the end too. I’m just curious what you saw. So far it sounds like a Cody Williams type take to say there’s a lot of upside on a guy that hasn’t done a lot to warrant folks raving about him.

Maluach really was bad that last game. The Orange Goblin announced revoking all visas from his country earlier that day, so maybe he was distracted. AFAIK we still don't have resolution for that situation as with all the menacing destructive chaos of these guys.

[SpursBills]

Derik Queen to me is the answer to the question "what would Joel Embiid look like if he was smaller, less athletic, and didn't give a shit about defense"

I have complete confidence in his ability to develop a dribble jumper in a few years, and once he does that dude is going to give defenders buckets if he gets minutes. His passing is also super underrated.

That being said, things like motor and giving a shit on defense matter a lot to me, especially when it's a big, so that drops him a decent amount in my eyes. If he got in a system like Miami's where Spo is on his ass daily to get in shape and play defense, he'd probably be top 5 for me. In fact, if he ends up dropping on draft night that may not be a bad option for them if he drops to mid-first - trade up to get him, let him operate in space while Ware and Herro space the floor, trade Bam's overpaid ass for prospects and draft picks while his value is still pretty high, try and tank for the loaded 2026 draft since your pick is now unencumbered

[BackHome]

Yeah, if I am Miami I am going to trade for picks and try to get someone they can build around.

[R. DeMurre]

OTOH, Risacher and Sarr may have put people off French talent.


To be fair though, it's kind of absurd that there's a notion of "French" Talent... that'd be like saying Kon Knueppel and Thomas Sorber are sort of the same because they're both "American."

[Mr. Body]

Essengue will be a way better player than Queen down the line. I wouldn't touch Queen with a 10-foot pole

Oh man definitely cannot agree. Queen is going to be busting on teams years after Essengue is gone. Pick the guy who can play basketball every time.

[scottspurs]

I say Derik Queen has a better career than Essengue. Question his Defense and effort all you want but he would put Essengue in a blender. I say this as someone that likes Essengue. If Essengue only has to guard Queen and Queen only guards Essengue. I’ll take Queen every time. He is that skilled. We haven’t seen this level of a gifted big on offense in a long time. Most of the bigs that come out these days are rim runners that you hope will develop offense. Best offensive big prospect since Sengun. If he is given the keys to an offense and develops a shot. He will end up as the 2nd or 3rd best player in this class.

[exstatic]

To be fair though, it's kind of absurd that there's a notion of "French" Talent... that'd be like saying Kon Knueppel and Thomas Sorber are sort of the same because they're both "American."

The overall pool of talent is overwhelmingly “American”. It’s not really a sub genre to be evaluated.

[Ice009]

I say Derik Queen has a better career than Essengue. Question his Defense and effort all you want but he would put Essengue in a blender. I say this as someone that likes Essengue. If Essengue only has to guard Queen and Queen only guards Essengue. I’ll take Queen every time. He is that skilled. We haven’t seen this level of a gifted big on offense in a long time. Most of the bigs that come out these days are rim runners that you hope will develop offense. Best offensive big prospect since Sengun. If he is given the keys to an offense and develops a shot. He will end up as the 2nd or 3rd best player in this class.

I've never seen Queen play. How does he compare to a young Jokic as far as athleticism goes? As most people know/remember, Jokic wasn't in the shape he's in now when he first arrived. Is Queen in better or worse shape than a young Jokic. I never really considered Queen, but if he's as skilled as you say, I'm thinking he could be a poor man's Jokic (not very athletic, but skilled big man going)? Or do they have completely different games?

[CGD]

Worked out/met with Spurs Tracker


LJ Cryer, Guard - Houston
Micah Peavy, Forward - Georgetown
RJ Felton, Guard - East Carolina
Jeremiah Fears, Guard - Oklahoma
John Tonje, Guard - Wisconsin
Sean Pedulla, Guard - Ole Miss
Thomas Sorber, Big - Georgetown
Cam Carter, Guard - LSU
Javon Small, Guard - West Virginia
Obinna Anochili-Killen, Forward - Marshall
Zeke Mayo, Guard - Kansas
Khaman Maluach, Big - Duke
Danny Wolf, Big - Michigan
Egor Demin, Forward - BYU
Dylan Harper, Guard - Rutgers


Maxime Raynaud, Big - Stanford
(also worked out with Wemby)


Milos Uzan, Guard - Houston
(Returned to school)

Know it’s early, but noteworthy that neither of Bryant or Coward have worked out yet. Interesting the Demin has tho.

[dubross]

I would definitely pick Queen over Essengue. Queen’s offensive skill right now, Essengue will never get too. I’d rather take skillful basketball players. Queen’s touch around the rim and soft hands are great. Of Course he has to be better defensively but he can be a 20 & 10 guy in the league with the right environment.

[exstatic]

I would definitely pick Queen over Essengue. Queen’s offensive skill right now, Essengue will never get too. I’d rather take skillful basketball players. Queen’s touch around the rim and soft hands are great. Of Course he has to be better defensively but he can be a 20 & 10 guy in the league with the right environment.

How’s he going to be a 20/10 guy on THIS team? We need guys around Wemby/Castle/Fox/Harper that can hit shots when needed, and defend at a high level. He does neither.

[scottspurs]

I've never seen Queen play. How does he compare to a young Jokic as far as athleticism goes? As most people know/remember, Jokic wasn't in the shape he's in now when he first arrived. Is Queen in better or worse shape than a young Jokic. I never really considered Queen, but if he's as skilled as you say, I'm thinking he could be a poor man's Jokic (not very athletic, but skilled big man going)? Or do they have completely different games?

The games are not to dissimilar but Jokic is a lot bigger. Jokic can bully people more so not sure if he will get to that level. I’m thinking more like a Sengun or Sabonis. There is a theory that his athleticism will get better because he is still reshaping his body from when he was very fat. He has come along way. Minimal strides in athleticism will go a long way because it looked pretty bad at the combine. It is also said he did not try at the combine so that’s a whole different problem. The kid can Ball though. I think he cares more about being good at basketball than actually being a great athlete.

He can post up, he can be the offensive engine and create for others and he can get to his spots and make any shot from mid range in. Has extremely great and skilled feet. Very quick. Fundamentally sound. Great hands too! Will grab the ball when it’s in his vicinity. Has rare ability to put the ball on the ground. Good not great handles but I could see it getting better. Very good passer with high IQ. Processed the game faster than most prospects in this class. Think Al Jefferson or Zach Randolph but with Jokic point Center skills. Definitely has a ways to go with his 3-pt shot but when they needed him to make 3’s they went in. He was very Clutch in late game moments all season.

Defensively when he puts in the effort he shows the ability to play decent defense even on the perimeter. At the very least he is an elite rebounder. Won’t ever bring much as a shot blocker though. If he can actually improve his athleticism I think he can play the 4 and be able to switch on the perimeter. The problem is the effort in training and on the court is not always there. He needs to keep shedding the fat and add muscle while also improving his athleticism. Kid loves basketball so I believe in him. Keep him away from fast food and in the gym and he will be great.

[exstatic]

I would definitely pick Queen over Essengue. Queen’s offensive skill right now, Essengue will never get too. I’d rather take skillful basketball players. Queen’s touch around the rim and soft hands are great. Of Course he has to be better defensively but he can be a 20 & 10 guy in the league with the right environment.

How’s he going to be a 20/10 guy on THIS team? We need guys around Wemby/Castle/Fox/Harper that can hit shots when needed, and defend at a high level. He does neither.

[scottspurs]

I will say though Queen doesn’t make sense anymore on the Spurs. To many mouths to feed. I wouldn’t complain if the Spurs got him but it wouldn’t make much sense. He would help with rebounding but he won’t get the ball so his skillset would not be used properly. He needs to be a foundational piece on offense for it to pan out. On the Spurs he would be 5th in line at best for getting the ball. Unless they pick him at 2. I’m probably the only one that wouldn’t be mad it lmao

[Ice009]

The games are not to dissimilar but Jokic is a lot bigger. Jokic can bully people more so not sure if he will get to that level. I’m thinking more like a Sengun or Sabonis. There is a theory that his athleticism will get better because he is still reshaping his body from when he was very fat. He has come along way. Minimal strides in athleticism will go a long way because it looked pretty bad at the combine. It is also said he did not try at the combine so that’s a whole different problem. The kid can Ball though. I think he cares more about being good at basketball than actually being a great athlete.

He can post up, he can be the offensive engine and create for others and he can get to his spots and make any shot from mid range in. Has extremely great and skilled feet. Very quick. Fundamentally sound. Great hands too! Will grab the ball when it’s in his vicinity. Has rare ability to put the ball on the ground. Good not great handles but I could see it getting better. Very good passer with high IQ. Processed the game faster than most prospects in this class. Think Al Jefferson or Zach Randolph but with Jokic point Center skills. Definitely has a ways to go with his 3-pt shot but when they needed him to make 3’s they went in. He was very Clutch in late game moments all season.

Defensively when he puts in the effort he shows the ability to play decent defense even on the perimeter. At the very least he is an elite rebounder. Won’t ever bring much as a shot blocker though. If he can actually improve his athleticism I think he can play the 4 and be able to switch on the perimeter. The problem is the effort in training and on the court is not always there. He needs to keep shedding the fat and add muscle while also improving his athleticism. Kid loves basketball so I believe in him. Keep him away from fast food and in the gym and he will be great.

I don't care too much about all out athleticism or combine numbers. With big men, I care more about feel for the game and skills. Sounds like this kid has got it, and anyone that drafts him, he could end up being a big time player for them down the line. It sounds like with the improvements he'll make athletically with further training, it could unlock his game even more. Darn, very intriguing prospect. Wish I watched him play, but didn't bother as I didn't think he'd be anyone the Spurs would draft. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think Cooper had stand out numbers at the combine, but that didn't mean anything to me. His skill and feel for the game have more than convinced me. I don't need to see any jump off the page numbers at the combine for me to believe he will be great.


I will say though Queen doesn’t make sense anymore on the Spurs. To many mouths to feed. I wouldn’t complain if the Spurs got him but it wouldn’t make much sense. He would help with rebounding but he won’t get the ball so his skillset would not be used properly. He needs to be a foundational piece on offense for it to pan out. On the Spurs he would be 5th in line at best for getting the ball. Unless they pick him at 2. I’m probably the only one that wouldn’t be mad it lmao

You guys could be right. Sounds like the Spurs aren't the right fit for him, but from what you guys have said, if he were still on the board, you've made him sound very, very interesting prospect to draft.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1934266780341399842

[Degoat]

Hmmm are the grizzlies gonna use that ammunition to go get KD or they hitting the reset button?

[LeBowen]

That's another Bridges trade right there.
There goes one of the rare Devin destinations.

[onechance87]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1934266780341399842

Thats alot of picks wtf

[T Park]

Orlando snorting bath salts apparently

[Ice009]

What the F@#k. That is a lot of picks. What is Orlando doing? I would have rather have kept those picks.

[TD 21]

I get the logic: The East has a relative void at the top through at least next season and Bane fills a longstanding need as a shooter/creator combo without being the defensive liability of a Simons or someone of that ilk, but he doesn't offer enough creation and is in that nebulous range between low end star and high end role player.

The Magic just blew their load and still don't profile as true contenders going forward.

Meanwhile, the Grizzlies are now loaded with draft capital to make a big splash on the big wing they've long needed.

[itzsoweezee]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1934266780341399842

Including that Phoenix pick is crazy

[SpursBills]

Incredible trade for Memphis. Orlando doesn’t realize yet that Paolo-Franz is not a good long term solution. That 2026 suns pick on its own is worth its weight in gold

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1934275179712282665

[CGD]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1934275179712282665

How the hell is Bane worth 4 UNPROTECTED FRPs (and a swap)?!?!

[CGD]

Damn it, this is why i wanted Devin to Orlando. They're just giving away FRPs like candy on Halloween. Jeez

[Ice009]

Damn it, this is why i wanted Devin to Orlando. They're just giving away FRPs like candy on Halloween. Jeez

Good call. I do remember someone pushing a Devin trade to Orlando (if that was you, great call). I didn't know you'd get this kind of return. Obviously Devin wouldn't get anywhere near as much, but darn, might have gotten at least one good pick out of it.

[exstatic]

Insanity level overpay.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/BrettSiegelNBA/status/1934278156904530175

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Incredible trade for Memphis. Orlando doesn’t realize yet that Paolo-Franz is not a good long term solution. That 2026 suns pick on its own is worth its weight in gold

It's not exactly Phoenix's pick outright - it's a swap on a swap, where Memphis had already had yet another swap in there :

More favorable of (i) ORL and (ii) less favorable of PHX and WAS 1-8 [or (ii) PHX if WAS not conveyable]; more favorable of (i) MEM and (ii) least / less favorable of ORL, PHX and WAS 1-8 to MEM; least favorable of ORL, PHX, WAS 1-8 and MEM to CHA

[ace3g]

https://x.com/BrettSiegelNBA/status/1934276141839204811

[CGD]

https://x.com/BrettSiegelNBA/status/1934278156904530175

I mean, that's still a pretty damn good pick.