2025 NBA Draft

[djohn2oo8]

Nico is the only GM stupid enough to trade Flagg for Giannis.
I have a feeling he will do this.

[Ice009]

They'll still take him and dare him to sit out.

Yeah, darn, most likely. And then we don't want him pulling out of the draft as that screws the number 2 pick.

I was a fan of Ron Harper. I guess I need to take a look at what Dylan can do as I never looked at any of the top 4 apart from Flagg, I don't know much about the other guys.

Is Dylan a PG, can he play both PG & SG? How is his defense? What are his strengths and weaknesses?

I think I saw that he can score near the rim? Is that correct? If so, I'm very interested if he's good getting to the basket. Does he have a decent jump shot?

[baseline bum]

I have a feeling he will do this.

Mavs need to be booted from the league if Nico pulls that crap.

[SpursGenius]

SW Division is going to be a bloodbath for years to come.

Dallas might trade Flagg for Giannis, could be interesting. I bet Giannis first or second choice would be the Spurs, though.

I think I'd rather build organically and see if Harper becomes some version of Shai/Harden.
Harper literally looks like cross of SGA and Harden which means he is a no brain keeper

[Ice009]

I have a feeling he will do this.

Windhoart did say that the Mavericks have been trying to get Giannis for a while now, and then when he said that, I immediately thought back to the rumor of them offering Milwaukee Doncic for Giannis before the Lakers trade.
Maybe the will offer the number 1 pick for Giannis?

Having said that, Cooper could tell Milwaukee and Dallas he's not playing there. I really think Flagg can get to SA if he wants. Harper would be a good fit in Dallas. Man, Spurs have too many options. No idea which route to take. This pick could be a giant franchise changing move depending on what the Spurs do with it.

[spurraider21]

Nah if I'm moving Harper I'm doing it in the summer while he has maximum value as a potential allstar on a four year cost controlled contract.
you could say the same about trading Castle at what may be his peak value

[John B]

I don’t see why the Mavs would trade for Dylan with Kyrie on board, and gifting Flagg to a division rival?

[Mr. Body]

Dylan for Giannis??? Personally no but it’s worth the discussion

Dude is already 30. Definitely not.

[LeBowen]

I don’t see why the Mavs would trade for Dylan with Kyrie on board, and gifting Flagg to a division rival?

Kyrie's got player option for 25-26 season he'll miss. Free agent in 2026, 34 years old. Not someone you take into consideration.
Bucks having broken Kyrie and Lillard on the roster next season would be hillarious, though. :lol

[Mr. Body]

What's Harper even like as a player? Is he a natural point guard, a true floor general? How's his defense?
Is he worth the hype? It's a #2 pick after all, will he make an immediate impact as let's say Trae and Ja did?

My biggest issue is that his shooting is subpar, if he was an elite shooter then we'd be able to make things work.
But having three ballhandlers who are all below average 3pt shooters for their position would be rough.

I don't think anything happens before the draft night. A lot of work is ahead of the front office.

Heavy rim pressure. Strong guard with good instincts and feel, not incredibly athletic but skilled, not too great shooting outside yet, pretty good playmaker, if not a genius one, alright defender.

Major conundrum is that Fox-Castle-Harper-Wemby all depend on getting into the lane.

[spurraider21]

well we definitely need to be taking a wing at 14 now. sorry Dejounte but i dont think Sorber is in the cards anymore. i think one of Carter Bryant or Rasheer Fleming would make a ton of sense. i'd go Fleming personally

[Mr. Body]

Windhoart did say that the Mavericks have been trying to get Giannis for a while now, and then when he said that, I immediately thought back to the rumor of them offering Milwaukee Doncic for Giannis before the Lakers trade.
Maybe the will offer the number 1 pick for Giannis?

Having said that, Cooper could tell Milwaukee and Dallas he's not playing there. I really think Flagg can get to SA if he wants. Harper would be a good fit in Dallas. Man, Spurs have too many options. No idea which route to take. This pick could be a giant franchise changing move depending on what the Spurs do with it.

Giannis to Dallas
Flagg to SAS
Harper and a nice basket to Milwaukee

[Mr. Body]

Mavs with Anthony Davis, Kyrie, and Giannis is straight up a contender.

Spurs need to weasel their way in there and make sure Flagg doesn't go to Milwaukee but Harper does instead.

[baseline bum]

you could say the same about trading Castle at what may be his peak value

Agreed

[LeBowen]

Heavy rim pressure. Strong guard with good instincts and feel, not incredibly athletic but skilled, not too great shooting outside yet, pretty good playmaker, if not a genius one, alright defender.

Major conundrum is that Fox-Castle-Harper-Wemby all depend on getting into the lane.

So it seems he's a SGA type player? But a bit more to the playmaking side instead of scoring?
What about Ace? Are his red flags too much? Because theoretically the best possible version of Ace is just the player we need.

Both will surely have extensive workouts at The Rock, all these scenarios are too much to process right now.

[SpursGenius]

Wemby
Fleming
Castle
Harper
Fox

all 5 good ball handlers and FT shooters. All 5 good passers. . Wemby and Flemming already great 3 point shooters for size. The other three in 33 percent range. All can easily improve to 38 plus as many players have in their career. None of the three have broken shots.

[Mr. Body]

So it seems he's a SGA type player? But a bit more to the playmaking side instead of scoring?
What about Ace? Are his red flags too much? Because theoretically the best possible version of Ace is just the player we need.

Both will surely have extensive workouts at The Rock, all these scenarios are too much to process right now.

I feel like SGA is more slithery and his midrange is far better (at this point). But Dylan Harper has strong lead guard, heavy offensive usage type potential. Crafty, great footwork, great feel for positioning and getting his stuff done.

I just don't like Ace Bailey at all, tbh.

[intlspurshk]

Dylan is no brainer to keep. Now, Spurs should consider to move up in the draft to take a risk on Queen and the rooster will be completed unless Spurs want to trade the other first round pick

[Russ]

Dude is already 30. Definitely not.

Giannis, that boy is a P-I-G or just a P (Donna).

He won a ring with Bud then ran him off.

Got his wish and then the team (hold the presses) descended.

Then, of course, he decided that things weren't going very well.

He'd like to move on.

Mitch Johnson will have enough on his shoulders replacing Pop without this distraction.

[LeBowen]

I feel like SGA is more slithery and his midrange is far better (at this point). But Dylan Harper has strong lead guard, heavy offensive usage type potential. Crafty, great footwork, great feel for positioning and getting his stuff done.

I just don't like Ace Bailey at all, tbh.

Damn, this is such a first world problem to have.
We really didn't need another potentially elite guard, but if Harper is a tier above everyone else, it's a no brainer.

Fox/Castle/Harper could work in theory with two always being on the floor.

[John B]

Giannis to Dallas
Flagg to SAS
Harper and a nice basket to Milwaukee

Fuck I’m in…

Still dumb for Mavs to give away a 19 yr old future All-NBA for a 30 yrs old (but maybe some picks??)

[Chinook]

Nah if I'm moving Harper I'm doing it in the summer while he has maximum value as a potential allstar on a four year cost controlled contract.

Who said they'd trade Harper in that scenario?

[vy65]

Does Fox/Harper/Castle work? Is there enough shooting?

[SpursGenius]

Dylan is no brainer to keep. Now, Spurs should consider to move up in the draft to take a risk on Queen and the rooster will be completed unless Spurs want to trade the other first round pick
queen sux ass. Cant shoot, fat slow. Flemming is the choice at 14 and they dont even have to move up. 40 percent three 6'9 7'5 wingspan

[Mr. Body]

Damn, this is such a first world problem to have.
We really didn't need another potentially elite guard, but if Harper is a tier above everyone else, it's a no brainer.

Fox/Castle/Harper could work in theory with two always being on the floor.

Yeah it's an amazing problem to have. Tbh Castle-Harper is problematic from range but is big and very capable, both able to supply huge amounts of rim pressure and both good playmakers. Fox mixes things up a bit so if they do take him, it's a bit of a headache, but rather have this headache than not!

[td4mvp2k]

Windhoart did say that the Mavericks have been trying to get Giannis for a while now, and then when he said that, I immediately thought back to the rumor of them offering Milwaukee Doncic for Giannis before the Lakers trade.
Maybe the will offer the number 1 pick for Giannis?

Having said that, Cooper could tell Milwaukee and Dallas he's not playing there. I really think Flagg can get to SA if he wants. Harper would be a good fit in Dallas. Man, Spurs have too many options. No idea which route to take. This pick could be a giant franchise changing move depending on what the Spurs do with it.hope this is likely in the works

[rankingtear]

Drafting Harper should not be an option when you can open a 3-5 year championship window.

[vy65]

Drafting Harper should not be an option when you can open a 3-5 year championship window.

Has a team with little to no playoff experience ever made the immediate jump to title contention? I get Giannis has a ring, but outside of the unc’s, no one has even been in the play in (I think).

[Spurs Brazil]

2025 NBA mock draft: Projecting all 59 picks post-lottery
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45076130/2025-nba-mock-draft-pick-projections-picks-post-lottery-cooper-flagg-dallas-mavericks


2. San Antonio Spurs
Dylan Harper, PG/SG, Rutgers
Freshman | TS%: 59.3

Scouting report: Harper did his best to keep the No. 1 pick conversation interesting for parts of the season with his skill level, shot creation and scoring prowess. He also can get to where he wants on the floor while demonstrating strong passing ability.

The physical nature of the NBA playoffs has emphasized why a sturdy playmaker of Harper's type can be so valuable, with his ability to finish through contact and draw fouls a major part of his appeal, along with the way he fills up the box score with an excellent feel for the game. -- Givony

NBA intel and fit: The Spurs were already in as enviable a position as any team in the lottery, with two picks in the top 14 to bolster a roster that already features back-to-back NBA Rookie of the Year winners in Victor Wembanyama and Stephon Castle, and now jump from 8 to 2 in the draft lottery in a massive stroke of good fortune.

While Harper's fit alongside De'Aaron Fox and Castle looks far from seamless, it would be very surprising to see their forward-thinking front office pass on Harper here, who is widely considered the second best prospect in the draft after Flagg. This opens up an opportunity for a team with a bigger need for a primary shot-creator to make a move to trade up to this pick and perhaps convey to San Antonio added shooting, which their roster sorely needs to surround Wembanyama. -- Givony


14. San Antonio Spurs (via Atlanta)
Carter Bryant, SF/PF, Arizona
Freshman | TS%: 59.9

Scouting report: Bryant is the type of player who could help his standing in the predraft process as teams get a better look at him in workout settings, and he ticks several boxes NBA teams actively seek at his position. He's an easy fit with his desirable combination of size, length, perimeter shooting, passing and defensive versatility, sliding all over the floor for the Wildcats this season and seeing time at both forward positions.

Bryant wasn't consistently productive for Arizona coming off the bench and averaging just 6.5 points per game, as he's not much of a shot creator and has room to grow on both ends of the floor. But he has significant upside to tap into long term. -- Givony

NBA intel and fit: With its second lottery pick in this draft, it will be interesting to see what San Antonio's appetite is for adding another rookie to an already young roster as the team likely hopes to gear up for a postseason run, nine years removed from its last playoff series win. Which direction the Spurs go with their first selection will likely play a role in what they do here, but the idea of moving one of these picks for more immediate help might appeal to the front office, depending on how the draft unfolds. If they keep the pick, a young combo forward like Bryant who can space the floor and guard multiple positions makes a lot of sense. -- Givony

[rascal]

Mavs with Anthony Davis, Kyrie, and Giannis is straight up a contender.

Spurs need to weasel their way in there and make sure Flagg doesn't go to Milwaukee but Harper does instead.

Kyrie will miss all of next year. That's a horrible trade for Dallas.

[John B]

queen sux ass. Cant shoot, fat slow. Flemming is the choice at 14 and they dont even have to move up. 40 percent three 6'9 7'5 wingspan

I was a big supporter of getting a combination of Queen/Sorber with Fleming/Bryant and take a backup PG (Boogie Fland) in SRP. But having moved up to top 2 (Dylan), it makes sense to get Fleming and a backup big in the SRP. Broome? Raynaud, Goldin??

[ducks]

I get Giannis and win now
Use the butload of picks

[rascal]

I was a big supporter of getting a combination of Queen/Sorber with Fleming/Bryant and take a backup PG (Boogie Fland) in SRP. But having moved up to top 2 (Dylan), it makes sense to get Fleming and a backup big in the SRP. Broome? Raynaud, Goldin??

Yes, now Fleming or McNeeley with the 14th pick for SF.

[baseline bum]

Who said they'd trade Harper in that scenario?

To me you either trade one of Harper or Castle this summer or you give them at least three years together to grow without making any major changes to the team. The players Harper and Castle are right now will get in each other's ways and likely drop the trade value of both of them, at which point you're trading low on one of them and are going to have to include significantly more draft capital to make a major trade most likely.

[Mr. Body]

Kyrie will miss all of next year. That's a horrible trade for Dallas.

You're not the Dallas GM, are you? :lol

Even without Kyrie that's a pretty nasty team. Dallas has no future once Davis is gone, so going for Giannis in his prime may be the play here.

[baseline bum]

I get Giannis and win now
Use the butload of picks

Don't need to include a bunch of picks when Harper is one of them. I'd be thinking something like Harper + Vassell + 2029 Spurs first + salary filler to get Giannis. Maybe add Sochan too. Spurs do not have to empty the cupboard to be able to go out and get Giannis now that they have this pick.

[Spurs Brazil]

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/article/nba-mock-draft-10-the-mavericks-won-the-cooper-flagg-sweepstakes-heres-how-every-pick-could-play-out-now-234814117.html

2. San Antonio Spurs: Dylan Harper, G, Rutgers
With Giannis Antetokounmpo searching for his next franchise, the question now will be whether the Spurs trade this pick to land the Greek Freak or not. Harper is a big-bodied lefty combo guard with NBA blood in his veins, as the son of Ron Harper, who was a 20/5/5 guy before winning five titles as a role player. Like his father, Harper has a high-floor with the skill, poise, and playmaking instincts to dictate the game at his pace. He obviously has talent, but the Spurs just traded for De’Aaron Fox and already have Stephon Castle. There’s too much overlap with Harper, meaning the Spurs could look to trade down or out.


14. San Antonio Spurs (via Atlanta): Egor Demin, G, BYU
Demin has a rare ability at his size to make dazzling passes. At 6-foot-9, he’d add a unique ingredient to the Spurs' frontcourt. But he’s no guarantee to thrive in the NBA. At BYU, Demin struggled to shoot and create his own shot against lengthy defenders, making him more of a love-him or hate-him prospect than a sure thing. But the Spurs already have a primary creator in De'Aaron Fox, so Demin could be worth the risk since he can develop slowly as a creator while leaning into his existing strengths as a cutter, screener, and defender.

[T Park]

Giannis, that boy is a P-I-G or just a P (Donna).

He won a ring with Bud then ran him off.

Got his wish and then the team (hold the presses) descended.

Then, of course, he decided that things weren't going very well.

He'd like to move on.

Mitch Johnson will have enough on his shoulders replacing Pop without this distraction.

you people are taking crazy pills

[baseline bum]

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/article/nba-mock-draft-10-the-mavericks-won-the-cooper-flagg-sweepstakes-heres-how-every-pick-could-play-out-now-234814117.html

2. San Antonio Spurs: Dylan Harper, G, Rutgers
With Giannis Antetokounmpo searching for his next franchise, the question now will be whether the Spurs trade this pick to land the Greek Freak or not. Harper is a big-bodied lefty combo guard with NBA blood in his veins, as the son of Ron Harper, who was a 20/5/5 guy before winning five titles as a role player. Like his father, Harper has a high-floor with the skill, poise, and playmaking instincts to dictate the game at his pace. He obviously has talent, but the Spurs just traded for De’Aaron Fox and already have Stephon Castle. There’s too much overlap with Harper, meaning the Spurs could look to trade down or out.


I am not trading down unless I get a star out of the deal.

[stnick2261]

also the website is working very well right now

The website turned a corner.

[Eaglenole2002]

We might be ready to push our chips in, but I don’t see how you can pass on someone with all-NBA potential like Harper, fit be damned. If he and Castle don’t mix well, either one will be a helluva trade chip for a player who does fit. As good as Castle is, he still needs to develop a jump shot to be a legit star. Harper is in the same boat, but he is a better bet to develop it IMO.

[InRareForm]

Draft best available tbh and then trade later if need be

[spurraider21]

tbh this situation is giving Mr. Body some redemption

were it not for the Fox trade, you could squint and see the Harper/Castle backcourt working together. but with Fox as a fixture, the picture is a lot more convoluted now

dont get me wrong, its a great problem to have

[John B]

Giannis to Dallas
Flagg to SAS
Harper and a nice basket to Milwaukee

This is the best scenario. I’ll give Dylan, Vassell, Sochan and future 1st to get Flagg.

[Mr. Body]

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/article/nba-mock-draft-10-the-mavericks-won-the-cooper-flagg-sweepstakes-heres-how-every-pick-could-play-out-now-234814117.html

2. San Antonio Spurs: Dylan Harper, G, Rutgers
With Giannis Antetokounmpo searching for his next franchise, the question now will be whether the Spurs trade this pick to land the Greek Freak or not. Harper is a big-bodied lefty combo guard with NBA blood in his veins, as the son of Ron Harper, who was a 20/5/5 guy before winning five titles as a role player. Like his father, Harper has a high-floor with the skill, poise, and playmaking instincts to dictate the game at his pace. He obviously has talent, but the Spurs just traded for De’Aaron Fox and already have Stephon Castle. There’s too much overlap with Harper, meaning the Spurs could look to trade down or out.


14. San Antonio Spurs (via Atlanta): Egor Demin, G, BYU
Demin has a rare ability at his size to make dazzling passes. At 6-foot-9, he’d add a unique ingredient to the Spurs' frontcourt. But he’s no guarantee to thrive in the NBA. At BYU, Demin struggled to shoot and create his own shot against lengthy defenders, making him more of a love-him or hate-him prospect than a sure thing. But the Spurs already have a primary creator in De'Aaron Fox, so Demin could be worth the risk since he can develop slowly as a creator while leaning into his existing strengths as a cutter, screener, and defender.

I really like Demin at 14.

[Chinook]

To me you either trade one of Harper or Castle this summer or you give them at least three years together to grow without making any major changes to the team. The players Harper and Castle are right now will get in each other's ways and likely drop the trade value of both of them, at which point you're trading low on one of them and are going to have to include significantly more draft capital to make a major trade most likely.

They should make a trade if it makes sense and not worry about value. Yes, as I've been saying, the Spurs have time to let things play out. They have a young core and young coach. So it's not like they need to make a trade the first sign of trouble. Players can conflict and still look good. That's part of why I was and still am a fan of the Spurs finding a way to get Queen. If they end up in a Harden situation where they end up trading one for decent value while watching him go on to become a star somewhere else, that's fine.

However, I don't actually think they conflict. Castle needs to shoot well. That's it. There's no other offensive growth area that's more important, and if he isn't shooting well with Harper and Fox, he's not shooting well without them. I don't see a case where Harper being able to drive and score means Castle is losing out, because that shouldn't be his focus anyway. If anything, limiting that option may force Castle to grow in a way that he wouldn't if he only had one penetrating guard to share minutes with.

[Mr. Body]

tbh this situation is giving Mr. Body some redemption

were it not for the Fox trade, you could squint and see the Harper/Castle backcourt working together. but with Fox as a fixture, the picture is a lot more convoluted now

dont get me wrong, its a great problem to have

I like Fox, don't get me wrong, it's just that he boxes things in a bit with salary and playstyle. But it was a trade to make for just a few assets.

[Ditty]

Dylan Harper might be one of the top five prospects to come out in the last five drafts:

Harper
Flagg
Wemby
Cade
Edwards

No way I am trading him unless we get Giannis

[The Truth #6]

The website turned a corner.

We just had to keep pounding the rock.

[baseline bum]

Does Fox/Harper/Castle work? Is there enough shooting?

Not with the players Harper and Castle are right now. So I either trade one of Harper/Castle for a star this summer or I develop them together long-term with the idea that at least one of them is going to have to become a shooter. But can't go half way here as if they're playing together next year they'll get in each other's ways and probably lower both of their trade values.

[The Truth #6]

Random Thoughts

1. Incredible luck and karma. Truly blessed.
2. A great start for the Mitch era. (And good that Pop made a decision).
3. No way do you trade Harper.
4. I'm less worried about the Harper fit than say Sochan. If there's concern about shooting in the starting 5, Sochan is the one who needs to improve. And I'm a huge Sochan fan.
5. Very curious about the 14 pick. I'm hoping for Liam or Fleming. Has to be a forward imo. And I don't think they should trade it.

[Knoxxx]

It is an interesting "dilemma" to have the 2 pick when Harper seems to have so much overlap with Castle. One option is to have one of the league's top backcourts with Fox-Harper-Castle. The three of them can play together too.

At pick 14, I have Fleming solidly above McNeely for us now that his 7-5 wingspan is confirmed. Sorber also has great length, though his 260+ weight and foot injury raise some alarms. Fleming at 232 pounds with that length is a legit small ball center/PF.

At the 38 pick, we either get a true backup C, or more shooting at the SG/SF position.

We still have the possibility of getting a free agent C, and of course endless trade possibilities.

Minix still seems like someone to watch as an option to carve out a role on the roster at the SF position.

Edit: I meant to mention that Castle can play the 3 when he is on the floor with Harper/Fox.

Double edit: 35 minutes each for Fox/Castle/Harper means they are only on the floor all 3 together for 9 minutes per game if my math is correct.

[baseline bum]

Dylan Harper might be one of the top five prospects to come out in the last five drafts:

Harper
Flagg
Wemby
Cade
Edwards

No way I am trading him unless we get Giannis

You're forgetting Chet and Banchero.

[Mnky]

Dallas isn't trading flagg. That's like the spurs trading Wemby. It isn't going to happen.

Nicole became the poster child for bad takes but only if the draft wasn't rigged for him..if that's the case, yea they'd definitely ain't trading coop. Not to mention he actually fits great with what they have if they keep those old heads for a couple more years.

The giannis thing is tempting and would be pretty cool to see him play with Wemby but man that's really short sighted to throw away what could be a dynasty building. Once you have three stars, you just build around them. If one of these draft picks is another franchise star, you got to take them and solidify your franchise for the next decade with a new stadium incoming? Hard for an owner not to love the thought of that stability and easy check.

Especially an owner like the spurs have had.

Easier and more enjoyable to make the flashy play, but that draft pick is likely the way to go.

Lots of doors open now though. Teams moving up might make some noise.

[spurraider21]

They should make a trade if it makes sense and not worry about value. Yes, as I've been saying, the Spurs have time to let things play out. They have a young core and young coach. So it's not like they need to make a trade the first sign of trouble. Players can conflict and still look good. That's part of why I was and still am a fan of the Spurs finding a way to get Queen. If they end up in a Harden situation where they end up trading one for decent value while watching him go on to become a star somewhere else, that's fine.

However, I don't actually think they conflict. Castle needs to shoot well. That's it. There's no other offensive growth area that's more important, and if he isn't shooting well with Harper and Fox, he's not shooting well without them. I don't see a case where Harper being able to drive and score means Castle is losing out, because that shouldn't be his focus anyway. If anything, limiting that option may force Castle to grow in a way that he wouldn't if he only had one penetrating guard to share minutes with.
yes, but the degree to which his shooting must improve changes. if he is playing alongside one passable shooter in Fox, but then plus shooters like Kon/Tre in addition to Vassell/Barnes/Wemby... then Castle himself really just needs to be a passable shooter to get by as the team's worst shooter on the floor

but if that formula changes and now its not just Fox, but also Harper who arent great shooters, suddenly there is increased pressure on castle to not just become a "good enough" shooter but actually a good one.

[Chinook]

tbh this situation is giving Mr. Body (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=397) some redemption

were it not for the Fox trade, you could squint and see the Harper/Castle backcourt working together. but with Fox as a fixture, the picture is a lot more convoluted now

dont get me wrong, its a great problem to have

It makes you wonder how differently the off-season would be without that trade.

The Spurs likely get the eighth slot and thus the second pick anyway, in addition to the 12th pick, some seconds no one cares about and SAS 27 and MIN 31 still in their pocket. If CHI 25 doesn't convey, it's probably even even better. The Spurs would have a path to some cap room in addition to Collins's expiring to go with Barnes's. We might see something like Barnes, Collins, Sochan CHI 26, SAS27 or ATL 27 and MIN 31 for Markkanen.

Then you get:

Harper, Jones (re-signed), Wesley
Vassell, Champagnie, Branham
Castle, Johnson, Minix
Markkanen, Flemming, Mamukelashvili
Wembanyama, Adams, Raynaud

And they'd have all the same picks they do now. It feels better. As it is, maybe the Jazz would be willing to include Markkanen in exchange for the Spurs move back from 2 to 5 (plus some additional minor compensation), and the Spurs can get a big three. But it doesn't feel as simple.

[Knoxxx]

yes, but the degree to which his shooting must improve changes. if he is playing alongside one passable shooter in Fox, but then plus shooters like Kon/Tre in addition to Vassell/Barnes/Wemby... then Castle himself really just needs to be a passable shooter to get by as the team's worst shooter on the floor

but if that formula changes and now its not just Fox, but also Harper who arent great shooters, suddenly there is increased pressure on castle to not just become a "good enough" shooter but actually a good one.

This team is shaping up to shoot 40-50 FTs a game, tbh.

[Chinook]

yes, but the degree to which his shooting must improve changes. if he is playing alongside one passable shooter in Fox, but then plus shooters like Kon/Tre in addition to Vassell/Barnes/Wemby... then Castle himself really just needs to be a passable shooter to get by as the team's worst shooter on the floor

but if that formula changes and now its not just Fox, but also Harper who arent great shooters, suddenly there is increased pressure on castle to not just become a "good enough" shooter but actually a good one.

I don't necessarily agree with that. Unless Castle was being considered for the sixth-man role, he was going to have to learn to be a complimentary player on offense for the Spurs to be a serious team with him getting minutes. Whether he's the third, fourth or fifth option on the floor doesn't really matter. He'd have to be top-two. It's nice that Castle can drive and score. It's nice that he has swagger and a willingness to take star shots. However, the Spurs need him (and Vassell) to be high-level role-players Harper doesn't really change that reality. If anything, he'd just make it clearer what path Castle NEEDS to take by offering a credible alternative to Castle becoming the sixth man.

Spacing is something every player needs to be able to provide in the modern NBA. At some point the Spurs are going to have to draft and develop with a shooting-first plan. Otherwise they end up signing guys like Beli, Neal, Forbes and McDermott to try to buoy their butter-shot rotation.

[Dejounte]

https://x.com/jacobrtobey/status/1922092006186025018?s=46

”dynamic, versatile, different type of players…” -Mitch

https://x.com/jacobrtobey/status/1922093735992537599?s=46

“highest level talent, highest character… guys have to prove it. There are some really talented players at the top of the draft”


They’re telling us who they might draft…

I wouldn’t count out Edgecombe as the pick tbh

[scottspurs]

Yeah I agree with those saying Mavericks won’t trade Cooper Flagg. He will be a Maverick. We have get over it and hope the Spurs have a game plan for pick 2.

[LeBowen]

Spacing is something every player needs to be able to provide in the modern NBA. At some point the Spurs are going to have to draft and develop with a shooting-first plan. Otherwise they end up signing guys like Beli, Neal, Forbes and McDermott to try to buoy their butter-shot rotation.

Spot on.
As I said the other day, if you look at the playoffs right now, there are 8 teams left and Hartenstein, Gobert, Allen are the the only 3 players that can't shoot the ball even when wide open.

Imo, keeping Harper would mean we have to pivot towards both wings being elite shooters and the idea of Wemby playing with a physical PF/C hybrid goes away.

[spurraider21]

I don't necessarily agree with that. Unless Castle was being considered for the sixth-man role, he was going to have to learn to be a complimentary player on offense for the Spurs to be a serious team with him getting minutes. Whether he's the third, fourth or fifth option on the floor doesn't really matter. He'd have to be top-two. It's nice that Castle can drive and score. It's nice that he has swagger and a willingness to take star shots. However, the Spurs need him (and Vassell) to be high-level role-players Harper doesn't really change that reality. If anything, he'd just make it clearer what path Castle NEEDS to take by offering a credible alternative to Castle becoming the sixth man.

Spacing is something every player needs to be able to provide in the modern NBA. At some point the Spurs are going to have to draft and develop with a shooting-first plan. Otherwise they end up signing guys like Beli, Neal, Forbes and McDermott to try to buoy their butter-shot rotation.
i dont know. i agree that castle needs to be a complementary piece, and that includes shooting. but you can be a josh hart level shooter as a complementary piece and thats fine... when the other shooters on the floor are all quite good. this works for NYK. and if Castle could become a Josh Hart level shooter, thats a solid outcome for him. but is being a Josh Hart level shooter good enough when you have other Josh Hart tier shooters like Fox/Harper on the floor, and Sochan getting minutes as well? it becomes a compounding issue

[vander]

So now the Spurs basically have to trade Fox next summer right? IMO he wasn't going to be worth the max extension he wanted anyways, so that works out fine

[SpursGenius]

I was a big supporter of getting a combination of Queen/Sorber with Fleming/Bryant and take a backup PG (Boogie Fland) in SRP. But having moved up to top 2 (Dylan), it makes sense to get Fleming and a backup big in the SRP. Broome? Raynaud, Goldin??
I would go the Frenchman Barringer with srp after taking Harper and Fleming 2 and 14

[scottspurs]

https://x.com/jacobrtobey/status/1922092006186025018?s=46

”dynamic, versatile, different type of players…” -Mitch

https://x.com/jacobrtobey/status/1922093735992537599?s=46

“highest level talent, highest character… guys have to prove it. There are some really talented players at the top of the draft”


They’re telling us who they might draft…

I wouldn’t count out Edgecombe as the pick tbh

Interesting! I like that they both said it’s a deep draft because I agree! I think I’m leaning towards team draft and develop and not trading for Giannis but I won’t be upset either way. Now if Luka becomes available you could talk be into that for sure because he fits the timeline better. If the Spurs do draft Dylan Harper which has to be the front runner. The rest of the off-season has to focus on rebounding and shooting!

right now the best shooter and rebounder in the rotation is probably Wemby. If the Spurs can find a way to make Wemby the 2nd best shooter, and 2nd best rebounder on the roster next season they will be a playoff lock assuming health is good.

[scott]

Fox-Castle-Harper-PF-Wemby could theoretically work with a very specific archetype of PF, assuming Castle improves to the same level of shooter as what Fox is and what Harper projects to (which is a 33-35% shooter on 5+ 3PA/gm that opposing teams aren't going to dare to shoot like they do with Sochan)... but that archetype is essentially Lauri/Naz/Santi, with that order of them being the ranking of how they fit that role.

Basically, you need that PF to be a long, rebounding, serious 3P threat.

Before this last season, Lauri was putting up very good rebounding numbers. He still ranks 85th/71st percentile in ORB and DRB Quality as a career 37% 3P shooter (which was closer to 40% before this past season). Problem is his contract. And I don't see how you actually get him without giving up the #2 pick. Not likely to happen.

Naz is the next guy up but gives up a lot on the boards versus Lauri (only ranks 34th and 48th in ORB and DRB quality). Again, 37% 3P shooter. Would MIN do Naz in a S&T for #14 and Devin? Probably not is my guess.

Santi is next... again not the rebounder as Lauri (50th/33rd percentile in ORB/DRB Quality).

In the end, I don't think a trio of Fox/Castle/Harper really works except in small doses all at the same time. But one of them can be a 6MOY type guy. I'd still run it and figure it out later.

With that said... this puts an emphasis on things for me that Devin and Keldon don't fit the team anymore. Sochan as well perhaps but less so (though please Brian do not go give this guy a dumb extension now that you've potentially got Castle and Harper extensions to start planning for).

So many possibilities for the Spurs now.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/ulkz5pYzdD8?feature=shared

i lost brain cells listening to ace speak

aint no wayyyy this dude getting drafted by the spurs. People can waste their time fantasizing about ace. You can see this a mile away if you know what the spurs value

[skin27]

Looks like flagg isnt happy yhat he is going to the mavs lol

[Guru of Nothing]

This shoulder sockets are located at his hips.

Here is a secret photo I got from UT's medical staff. I don't like Tre because of his skinny legs. No vertical lift.

https://i.imgur.com/EsrYt0f.png

Is this NIL or NFT?

[LeBowen]

Fox-Castle-Harper-PF-Wemby could theoretically work with a very specific archetype of PF, assuming Castle improves to the same level of shooter as what Fox is and what Harper projects to (which is a 33-35% shooter on 5+ 3PA/gm that opposing teams aren't going to dare to shoot like they do with Sochan)... but that archetype is essentially Lauri/Naz/Santi, with that order of them being the ranking of how they fit that role.

Basically, you need that PF to be a long, rebounding, serious 3P threat.

Before this last season, Lauri was putting up very good rebounding numbers. He still ranks 85th/71st percentile in ORB and DRB Quality as a career 37% 3P shooter (which was closer to 40% before this past season). Problem is his contract. And I don't see how you actually get him without giving up the #2 pick. Not likely to happen.

Naz is the next guy up but gives up a lot on the boards versus Lauri (only ranks 34th and 48th in ORB and DRB quality). Again, 37% 3P shooter. Would MIN do Naz in a S&T for #14 and Devin? Probably not is my guess.

Santi is next... again not the rebounder as Lauri (50th/33rd percentile in ORB/DRB Quality).

In the end, I don't think a trio of Fox/Castle/Harper really works except in small doses all at the same time. But one of them can be a 6MOY type guy. I'd still run it and figure it out later.

With that said... this puts an emphasis on things for me that Devin and Keldon don't fit the team anymore. Sochan as well perhaps but less so (though please Brian do not go give this guy a dumb extension now that you've potentially got Castle and Harper extensions to start planning for).

So many possibilities for the Spurs now.

I'd forget about Naz/Aldama, their teams cleared cap space to extend them.
It's down to John Collins or PJ Washington, imo. I'd rather have Collins because he's bigger and a better 3pt shooter.
Interestingly enough, teams with two best records in the league played with no actual wings, but 3 guards and 2 bigs, we could probably try something similar.

Guard rotation: Fox/Castle/Harper, 96 minutes for them.

Wing rotation is where it gets interesting. Devin doesn't fit, but can at least shoot. I'd get rid of him, but probably won't happen.
Jeremy on the other hand doesn't fit at all. I'd trade him and Keldon for John Collins.

Barnes has to stay as our best shooter and keeping Champ on his contract is a no brainer. I guess Devin manages to survive another summer and we draft the BPA wing at #14.

PG: Fox, Harper
SG: Castle, Harper, Devin
SF: Barnes, Devin, Champ
PF: Collins, Barnes, #14 (get the BPA wing with legit PF size)
C: Wemby, Collins, veteran backup

Seems reasonable enough.

[exstatic]

We can eventually find another 6'7 Castle. A 7ft player like Giannis only comes in a lifetime. If you get a chance to get him in his prime, you do it. Not sure why everyone is hanging on to Castle in this particular situation. Y'all acting like we'll be trading him for a scrub. I don't get it.

27 is the physical prime for a professional athlete. He’s already 4 years past that. No thanks.

[Gandalf]

Imo, keeping Harper would mean we have to pivot towards both wings being elite shooters and the idea of Wemby playing with a physical PF/C hybrid goes away.

Draft Harper, sign-and-trade Vassell for Naz Reid. Maybe get Rasheer at 14.

Wemby
Reid
Harper
Castle
Fox

Either Castle or Harper can play the three through one, as needed.

[Dejounte]

Interesting! I like that they both said it’s a deep draft because I agree! I think I’m leaning towards team draft and develop and not trading for Giannis but I won’t be upset either way. Now if Luka becomes available you could talk be into that for sure because he fits the timeline better. If the Spurs do draft Dylan Harper which has to be the front runner. The rest of the off-season has to focus on rebounding and shooting!

right now the best shooter and rebounder in the rotation is probably Wemby. If the Spurs can find a way to make Wemby the 2nd best shooter, and 2nd best rebounder on the roster next season they will be a playoff lock assuming health is good.

Dynamic, versatile rules out Jase who was one of my favorites

Dynamic, versatile, high character prospects: Harper, VJ, Kon, Kasparas, Demin, Sorber, Fleming, Queen, Saraf, Wolf
Doesn’t meet that criteria: Tre Johnson, Fears, Malauch, Newell, Jase, CMB, McNeeley

Order I would take them in:
1. Harper
2. VJ
3. Kon
4. Sorber
5. Queen
6. Saraf
7. Kasparas
8. Demin
9. Fleming

[Dejounte]

Dylan Harper is half filipino. Game over for John B. He’s about to call him the next Manu in 3…2…1

[scottspurs]

Dynamic, versatile rules out Jase who was one of my favorites

Dynamic, versatile, high character prospects: Harper, VJ, Kon, Kasparas, Demin, Sorber, Fleming, Queen, Saraf, Wolf
Doesn’t meet that criteria: Tre Johnson, Fears, Malauch, Newell, Jase, CMB, McNeeley

Order I would take them in:
1. Harper
2. VJ
3. Kon
4. Sorber
5. Queen
6. Saraf
7. Kasparas
8. Demin
9. Fleming

I would add Cedric Coward and Nique Clifford to the versatile players list but I may be the only one beating the drum for those 2

[SpursGenius]

Random Thoughts

1. Incredible luck and karma. Truly blessed.
2. A great start for the Mitch era. (And good that Pop made a decision).
3. No way do you trade Harper.
4. I'm less worried about the Harper fit than say Sochan. If there's concern about shooting in the starting 5, Sochan is the one who needs to improve. And I'm a huge Sochan fan.
5. Very curious about the 14 pick. I'm hoping for Liam or Fleming. Has to be a forward imo. And I don't think they should trade it.
Liam sux ass. 31 percent three point for unathletic 6’4 white boy. Fuck that.

[SpursGenius]

Dylan Harper is half filipino. Game over for John B (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=42719). He’s about to call him the next Manu in 3…2…1
Damn why couldn’t Ron Harper just fuck a black chick.

[scott]

I'd forget about Naz/Aldama, their teams cleared cap space to extend them.
It's down to John Collins or PJ Washington, imo. I'd rather have Collins because he's bigger and a better 3pt shooter.
Interestingly enough, teams with two best records in the league played with no actual wings, but 3 guards and 2 bigs, we could probably try something similar.

Guard rotation: Fox/Castle/Harper, 96 minutes for them.

Wing rotation is where it gets interesting. Devin doesn't fit, but can at least shoot. I'd get rid of him, but probably won't happen.
Jeremy on the other hand doesn't fit at all. I'd trade him and Keldon for John Collins.

Barnes has to stay as our best shooter and keeping Champ on his contract is a no brainer. I guess Devin manages to survive another summer and we draft the BPA wing at #14.

PG: Fox, Harper
SG: Castle, Harper, Devin
SF: Barnes, Devin, Champ
PF: Collins, Barnes, #14 (get the BPA wing with legit PF size)
C: Wemby, Collins, veteran backup

Seems reasonable enough.

My concern about Collins is that he's a lower volume 3P shooter, he's a mid 3.x 3PA shooter for his career, and we need this guy to be a 5+ 3PA/gm, so I'm not sure how Collins translates in the scenario I laid out above (which was about Fox/Castle/Harper being able to share the floor together).

If you are playing Fox/Harper/Castle the way you laid out, I agree Collins makes sense.

I also agree that Lauri/Naz/Santi are probably all not gettable without paid too hefty of a price (which we should avoid).

I'd still hope we could find a way to move off Devin. I'd rather keep Keldon than him... that's how badly I don't want to see Devin's stupid ass pineapple head again.

[tempest186]

I would love to make some moves and end up with Harper and Kon out of this draft.

[LeBowen]

My concern about Collins is that he's a lower volume 3P shooter, he's a mid 3.x 3PA shooter for his career, and we need this guy to be a 5+ 3PA/gm, so I'm not sure how Collins translates in the scenario I laid out above (which was about Fox/Castle/Harper being able to share the floor together).

If you are playing Fox/Harper/Castle the way you laid out, I agree Collins makes sense.

I also agree that Lauri/Naz/Santi are probably all not gettable without paid too hefty of a price (which we should avoid).

I'd still hope we could find a way to move off Devin. I'd rather keep Keldon than him... that's how badly I don't want to see Devin's stupid ass pineapple head again.

As we discussed before, I just don't see which team would take Devin.
Keldon would serve no purpose on this roster whatsoever if we get Harper.

That would be the biggest upside of having Harper.
Keldon and even Devin having the ball in their hands, bringing it up was just vomit inducing.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/SqHbYWQzSRc?feature=shared cutewizard you like adobo?

[scott]

Dylan Harper is half filipino. Game over for John B (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=42719). He’s about to call him the next Manu in 3…2…1

Need cutewizard to hook us up on those Harper scouting reports!

[rascal]

Liam sux ass. 31 percent three point for unathletic 6’4 white boy. Fuck that.

Liam is surprisingly athletic and has SF size.
Don't assume because he's white he doesn't have any vertical lift.

He also can dribble and get to the basket although often was asked to do too much at UCONN and had poor shooting off the dribble with out of control poor shot selection so he still has work to do on his game but could be a fit at SF for the Spurs.

His numbers were not bad on catch and shoot threes.

He or Fleming would be great at 14.

[Gibbz]

Harper and Fleming or bust. Also like Maluach but I doubt he makes it to 14.

[Ice009]

Dylan Harper is half filipino. Game over for John B. He’s about to call him the next Manu in 3…2…1

Really? I didn't know that, but then again, I didn't look into Dylan Harper or anyone projected to go into the top 4 (all I knew about was Flagg). I was curious who is mother was because I read he didn't have great explosive athleticism, and from what I read about his father before playing for the Bulls and lakers late in his career, I remember reading Ron Harper was an explosive player/athlete (someone correct me if I am wrong) when he was younger playing for the Cavaliers, Clippers, so I was wondering why Dylan didn't get that.

[playbonner15]

https://youtu.be/SqHbYWQzSRc?feature=shared cutewizard (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19861) you like adobo?

Had to skip to 5:17 for the adobo LOL

[bevo]

Video - no interview of ron Harper? He not in the picture?

[SpursGenius]

Liam is surprisingly athletic and has SF size.
Don't assume because he's white he doesn't have any vertical lift.

He also can dribble and get to the basket although often was asked to do too much at UCONN and had poor shooting off the dribble with out of control poor shot selection so he still has work to do on his game but could be a fit at SF for the Spurs.

His numbers were not bad on catch and shoot threes.

He or Fleming would be great at 14.
I can assure you he will be a Bust. White guy shooting 31 percent 3. College three at that. No thank
you

[scottspurs]

Mock draft and options at 14


Assuming no trades this is my gut instinct




mavericks- Flagg
Spurs- Harper
76ers- Bailey
Hornets- Edgecombe
Jazz- Kon Knueppel
Wizards- Queen
Pelicans- Tre Johnson
Nets- Kasparas Jakucionis
Raptors- Maluach
Rockets- Fears
Blazers- Rasheer Fleming
Bulls- Carter Bryant
Hawks- Thomas Sorber



So already being heavy at guard with Harper, Castle and Fox these would be the options at 14. Wings and bigs


Noa Essengue
Cedric Coward
Will Riley
Egor Demin
Asa Newell
Yaxel Lendeborg
Joan Beringer
Neoklis Avdalas
Danny Wolf
Collin-Murray Boyles
Liam Mcneely




Then at 38 you hope for best available big or shooter depending on what happened at 14

[Eaglenole2002]

We really went from a year ago begging for any kind of lead guard to wondering if we have room for Dylan Harper. My god…

[CGD]

Had to skip to 5:17 for the adobo LOL

Seems like a great kid with a great family.

[CGD]

We really went from a year ago begging for any kind of lead guard to wondering if we have room for Dylan Harper. My god…

Pretty amazing what happens in a year. Draft another ROY and trade for Fox.

[palangi]

I can assure you he will be a Bust. White guy shooting 31 percent 3. College three at that. No thank
you
Well aren’t you a racist mother fucker!!!

[SpursFan86]

I would bet a good amount of money we don’t use/keep both of our lottery picks. Drafting Harper + trading away #14 is the clear most likely option IMO.

2nd most likely option is trading down from #2 to grab someone who is a more seamless fit with our current group, but you only do this is if you don’t view Harper as being a clear tier above the rest of the non-Flagg prospects.

[keithington1]

Ace and Newell

[itzsoweezee]

Looks like flagg isnt happy yhat he is going to the mavs lol

He was that close to being part of a future dynasty instead of the shitshow in Dallas

[sfernald]

Mock draft and options at 14


Assuming no trades this is my gut instinct




mavericks- Flagg
Spurs- Harper
76ers- Bailey
Hornets- Edgecombe
Jazz- Kon Knueppel
Wizards- Queen
Pelicans- Tre Johnson
Nets- Kasparas Jakucionis
Raptors- Maluach
Rockets- Fears
Blazers- Rasheer Fleming
Bulls- Carter Bryant
Hawks- Thomas Sorber



So already being heavy at guard with Harper, Castle and Fox these would be the options at 14. Wings and bigs


Noa Essengue
Cedric Coward
Will Riley
Egor Demin
Asa Newell
Yaxel Lendeborg
Joan Beringer
Neoklis Avdalas
Danny Wolf
Collin-Murray Boyles
Liam Mcneely




Then at 38 you hope for best available big or shooter depending on what happened at 14

Well I was thinking you could in theory trade #2 + Vassell + Keldon for #5 + Markennen

The money works and I really think the Jazz would jump at the chance to get the best lead guard with star potential in this draft.

We get Mark the shooter PF we need and then we draft great shooter Kon at #5 and get rid of poorly fitting Keldon and Vassell.

Honestly I think it might be stupid because I see DH as a potential Cade Cunningham / James Harden level guard talent and you just don’t trade that especially on a rookie contract. But it is an interesting possibility that would sort of solve the shooting problem around Wemby.

[rascal]

Harper, Wemby and Castle can have a nice 10+ year run together. You don't trade that.

[exstatic]

I don’t see why the Mavs would trade for Dylan with Kyrie on board, and gifting Flagg to a division rival?

Kyrie will miss a huge chunk, if not all of next year. An ACL takes a year of recovery, and another year to get your feet underneath you and feel confident in the Knee.

[exstatic]

Mavs with Anthony Davis, Kyrie, and Giannis is straight up a contender.

Spurs need to weasel their way in there and make sure Flagg doesn't go to Milwaukee but Harper does instead.

Kyrie
Tore
His
ACL

[Mr. Body]

Kyrie
Tore
His
ACL

How often do you repeat yourself?

[exstatic]

Well I was thinking you could in theory trade #2 + Vassell + Keldon for #5 + Markennen

The money works and I really think the Jazz would jump at the chance to get the best lead guard with star potential in this draft.

We get Mark the shooter PF we need and then we draft great shooter Kon at #5 and get rid of poorly fitting Keldon and Vassell.

Honestly I think it might be stupid because I see DH as a potential Cade Cunningham / James Harden level guard talent and you just don’t trade that especially on a rookie contract. But it is an interesting possibility that would sort of solve the shooting problem around Wemby.

No. This is a four player draft. It’s not linear. There’s a little cliff right after #4.

[exstatic]

How often do you repeat yourself?

Until people acknowledge that Kyrie isn’t a factor in the future of the Dallas Mavericks. He’s 34, and will be 35 before he plays again.

[LeBowen]

Kyrie has a player option and is a free agent in 2026. He's done.

[Ice009]

https://youtu.be/SqHbYWQzSRc?feature=shared cutewizard you like adobo?

Thanks for posting this. Seems like a great kid. Filipino Spurs fans should be pretty pumped especially if the Spurs draft him and keep him.

I'm curious if Ron Harper is in the picture (I'd assume so and this video was just highlighting him mom's side of the family), but I also thought I read that him mom is a basketball player, if so, I wonder if she has trained him up more growing up?

[kxs783kms]

27 is the physical prime for a professional athlete. He’s already 4 years past that. No thanks.

30/12/6.5 says otherwise. I believe Giannis has another great 4 to 5 years before he starts declining.

[objective]

Sooo... Value of that Mavs swap has probably dropped a bit, right?

[exstatic]

Really? I didn't know that, but then again, I didn't look into Dylan Harper or anyone projected to go into the top 4 (all I knew about was Flagg). I was curious who is mother was because I read he didn't have great explosive athleticism, and from what I read about his father before playing for the Bulls and lakers late in his career, I remember reading Ron Harper was an explosive player/athlete (someone correct me if I am wrong) when he was younger playing for the Cavaliers, Clippers, so I was wondering why Dylan didn't get that.

It doesn’t always pass down , like size sometimes doesn’t. Scotty Pippin Jr. is 6’1”.

[exstatic]

30/12/6.5 says otherwise. I believe Giannis has another great 4 to 5 years before he starts declining.

You’re free to believe whatever you want, including the tooth fairy and Santa Clause.

[Ice009]

Hey Ex, you happy Utah didn't get the number 1 pick? That's one thing I feel good about. Love that Houston didn't get up there, OKC didn't get a pick, just the Dallas over SA for first place sucked because as soon as it was down to the last two, I played the percentages and thought the Spurs had it due to having a 6% chance compared to Dallas' 1.8% (this was going through my mind just before it was announced). Oh well, like I said, before the draft, I was have been ecstatic with the number 2 pick. Dylan Harper looks really good, but if the Spurs don't want him for whatever reason, the options could be great too. I guess number 2 is much better than 3 or 4.

[exstatic]

Hey Ex, you happy Utah didn't get the number 1 pick? That's one thing I feel good about. Love that Houston didn't get up there, OKC didn't get a pick, just the Dallas over SA for first place sucked because as soon as it was down to the last two, I played the percentages and thought the Spurs had it due to having a 6% chance compared to Dallas' 1.8% (this was going through my mind just before it was announced). Oh well, like I said, before the draft, I was have been ecstatic with the number 2 pick. Dylan Harper looks really good, but if the Spurs don't want him for whatever reason, the options could be great too. I guess number 2 is much better than 3 or 4.

Yes. Fuck Ainge.

[spurraider21]

Kyrie has a player option and is a free agent in 2026. He's done.
a 35yo coming off a torn ACL is not going to decline his player option :lol

[John B]

Kyrie will miss a huge chunk, if not all of next year. An ACL takes a year of recovery, and another year to get your feet underneath you and feel confident in the Knee.

I actually forgot about that on Kyrie. The Mavs could definitely go for Harper as perfect replacement while having AD.

[skin27]

I have a feeling the spurs will draft bailey over harper as the team doesnt need another PG. drafting bailey will send either vassel or sochan to the bench or trade Them.

[spurraider21]

I have a feeling the spurs will draft bailey over harper as the team doesnt need another PG. drafting bailey will send either vassel or sochan to the bench or trade Them.
the spurs drafting Bailey (who i like) over Harper would be malpractice. they will either trade the pick, draft harper and trade him later (like the Cavs did with Wiggins), or draft and keep harper and figure out the roster later

[BacktoBasics]

I have a feeling the spurs will draft bailey over harper as the team doesnt need another PG. drafting bailey will send either vassel or sochan to the bench or trade Them.

No. They would trade this pick before tacking Bailey over Harper. Harper is light years ahead of Bailey.

[Gibbz]

I have a feeling the spurs will draft bailey over harper as the team doesnt need another PG. drafting bailey will send either vassel or sochan to the bench or trade Them.

Bailey over Harper would be extremely fucking stupid.

[Mr. Body]

I feel like people who keep saying Bailey have never watched a second of him playing and know nothing about him.

[spurraider21]

barring trades, this is how i see the draft playing out

1 - Mavs will take Flagg
2 - Spurs will take Harper. no overthinking it.
3 - Sixers will take Bailey. they have no means of rebuilding and have no choice but to run it back. they have good young guards, need frontcourt scoring.
4 - Hornets take VJ. BPA, and is a good fit for them as well. gives them defense and good off-ball play alongside Ball/Miller
5 - Jazz take Tre Johnson. they need legit perimeter scoring juice. i think they like Collier and he needs good shooting outlets other than Lauri
6 - Wizards take Queen. they need an offensive hub/generator and Sarr is potentially a great complement to Queen's strengths and weaknesses
7 - Pelicans take Kon. they need shooting and connectivity. i dont know that they can trade mccollum, but i think they want another option at guard alongside murray
8 - Nets take Jaku. they need someone to run the show and bring maturity to their offense.
9 - Raptors take Maluach. theyve been linked to him for quite a while. poeltl has one year left and then a player option. if Johnson/Kon were available, i think they'd go that way

past that i dont have nearly as strong an opinion. no clue what rockets, blazers would do. i dont see Sorber getting past both Chicago and ATL though. think he's an awesome fit for either.

[Atl Spur]

Harper is actually a spot on comp to Jalen Williams ( okc ) ; I’d take him and mcneely / Fleming / Bryan if push came to shove. Our three guard lineup would cause a ton of problems.

[scott]

barring trades, this is how i see the draft playing out

1 - Mavs will take Flagg
2 - Spurs will take Harper. no overthinking it.
3 - Sixers will take Bailey. they have no means of rebuilding and have no choice but to run it back. they have good young guards, need frontcourt scoring.
4 - Hornets take VJ. BPA, and is a good fit for them as well. gives them defense and good off-ball play alongside Ball/Miller
5 - Jazz take Tre Johnson. they need legit perimeter scoring juice. i think they like Collier and he needs good shooting outlets other than Lauri
6 - Wizards take Queen. they need an offensive hub/generator and Sarr is potentially a great complement to Queen's strengths and weaknesses
7 - Pelicans take Kon. they need shooting and connectivity. i dont know that they can trade mccollum, but i think they want another option at guard alongside murray
8 - Nets take Jaku. they need someone to run the show and bring maturity to their offense.
9 - Raptors take Maluach. theyve been linked to him for quite a while. poeltl has one year left and then a player option. if Johnson/Kon were available, i think they'd go that way

past that i dont have nearly as strong an opinion. no clue what rockets, blazers would do. i dont see Sorber getting past both Chicago and ATL though. think he's an awesome fit for either.

Thinking through the rest of the order, I really like the Queen to Wizards fit. Baltimore kid and Maryland Terp going to DC is a perfect homecoming story as well. I think this might become the biggest no brainer after Flagg if he's still there at 6.

For NOP, I'm starting to think Fears or Jaku is the play for the Pels. They are loaded at the wings with TMIII, Herb and Zion. They seem set at C with Missi. When DJM comes back he probably needs to move over to the 2 anyway coming off an achilles. NOP needs a PG and these two make the most sense. I like Fears for the star power.

I see all of the Raptors links to Maluach but I'm not sure I understand it. Jak will certainly opt into his option and TOR went out of their way to get him from us. With that said... The Raptors are filled with a bunch of mid players and no clear #1 option. Seems like they are in need of a consolidation trade... could this be a sneaky Giannis destination? KD?

[skin27]

Bailey over Harper would be extremely fucking stupid.

Not really, drafting a wing in bailey make more sense with current roster. And besides it will send either vassel or scohan to the bench. Drafting harper doesnt make sense with fox and castle already in the lineup unless we trade the pick/ harper later on.

[sfernald]

No. This is a four player draft. It’s not linear. There’s a little cliff right after #4.

It’s not really quite that straightforward. Many have players like Kon and Tre above Ace. A lot of people think Ace is overrated and may fall on draft day. Tre on the other hand may rise up as high as three because of the lead star possibilities. If he hits there’s a good chance he’s better than even VJ. The one thing that’s certain is Flagg is easily #1 and Harper is easily #2 and that’s why I wouldn’t do it. But Markennan is a nice booby prize tho. Some on here were ready to trade half the team to get him last year. Were you one of those?

[spurraider21]

Thinking through the rest of the order, I really like the Queen to Wizards fit. Baltimore kid and Maryland Terp going to DC is a perfect homecoming story as well. I think this might become the biggest no brainer after Flagg if he's still there at 6.

For NOP, I'm starting to think Fears or Jaku is the play for the Pels. They are loaded at the wings with TMIII, Herb and Zion. They seem set at C with Missi. When DJM comes back he probably needs to move over to the 2 anyway coming off an achilles. NOP needs a PG and these two make the most sense. I like Fears for the star power.

I see all of the Raptors links to Maluach but I'm not sure I understand it. Jak will certainly opt into his option and TOR went out of their way to get him from us. With that said... The Raptors are filled with a bunch of mid players and no clear #1 option. Seems like they are in need of a consolidation trade... could this be a sneaky Giannis destination? KD?
i think raptors could be a wildcard for jase richardson. but i think between barnes/barrett/ingram they have a ton of future money invested in wings, and already have Walter/Dick as a bench shooters. i think they are going to look at point or center. maybe they go Fears or are a surprise Jase Richardson landing spot i dno.

[024]

Not 100% sold on the Flagg hype but no question the fit would have been seamless next to Wemby. Dylan Harper looks like he could be a hell of a player though despite the questionable fit next to Fox and Castle. Spurs should draft Harper as he's a tier above the next level of prospects but will be interesting to see how this plays out with possibly many teams having disgruntled stars or looking to duck the apron.

[scott]

i think raptors could be a wildcard for jase richardson. but i think between barnes/barrett/ingram they have a ton of future money invested in wings, and already have Walter/Dick as a bench shooters. i think they are going to look at point or center. maybe they go Fears or are a surprise Jase Richardson landing spot i dno.

They also have a decent amount of money in Quickly. They're just an oddly constructed team... lots of solid #2 guys without an alpha. Are they going to count on BI and Scottie to be the alphas? Yuck. Seems like a team destined for a long run of play-in appearances, maybe the occasional 6 seed appearance in the East. Like just a repeat of their DDR years.

Maluach makes sense... but just kind of extends what they already have in Jak. Terrible spot for them to be in.

[scott]

Landing #2 this year and then swaps on a lot of our future picks really puts us in a similar spot to where OKC is. We'll have a core and then we can just keep trading off guys as they hit extensions to reload on more picks. I love it.

[spurraider21]

They also have a decent amount of money in Quickly. They're just an oddly constructed team... lots of solid #2 guys without an alpha. Are they going to count on BI and Scottie to be the alphas? Yuck. Seems like a team destined for a long run of play-in appearances, maybe the occasional 6 seed appearance in the East. Like just a repeat of their DDR years.

Maluach makes sense... but just kind of extends what they already have in Jak. Terrible spot for them to be in.
yeah im not sure what they're doing either. i didnt hate the OG trade last year. just sucks for them that IQ missed most of this season.

the ingram trade though... i just dont get it

[spursistan]

:lmao Not that I'm complaining, but this league has no shame. Most outraged fanbase probably ever, known for having white superstars, just so happened to make the biggest leap in lottery history and on the heels of the so called marquee franchise being handed a path to relevance/contention for another generation, all while ratings were down beforehand?

Harper as the centerpiece for Antetokounmpo? To move down slightly + pick up other stuff? Along with 14 and the Hawks '27 1st for Flagg? (Mavericks would never do it for marketing/financial reasons).
I certainly can't blame anyone going the conspiracy route here. Dallas is too big of a market to let it completely go under. That being said, I just think Flagg is getting way overhyped as this supposedly can't-miss, franchise-altering #1 pick. I'm pretty convinced Doncic was a better prospect and Flagg won't exceed the impact/accolades he achieved in the first six years in Dallas. But at least he will help distract from our own lottery heist(s), which was starting to annoy the rest of league and some media circles :lol

[dn0774]

I certainly can't blame anyone going the conspiracy route here. Dallas is too big of a market to let it completely go under. That being said, I just think Flagg is getting way overhyped as this supposedly can't-miss, franchise-altering #1 pick. I'm pretty convinced Doncic was a better prospect and Flagg won't exceed the impact/accolades he achieved in the first six years in Dallas. But at least he will help distract from our own lottery heist(s), which was starting to annoy the rest of league and some media circles :lol

I agree, he is an awesome overall two way prospect for sure. But I have doubts about him ever being an offense unto himself type player ala Jokic, SGA, Luka or even a tier below them.

[John B]

Pop would’ve loved that 3-guards offense. Spurs will always have a ball-handler. Just keep Dylan and draft Fleming at 14, standing reach of 9’1 who can shoot 3. Fox, Dylan, Castle, Fleming, Wemby. Castle needs to improve his shooting this summer. Defense would be tenacious. Then draft a backup big in 2 round, Goldin or that 7’1 French guy

[John B]

I’m really intrigued with Fleming now. He’s just your perfect Naz Reid, same 9’1 standing reach who can shoot 3. Who needs Flagg? Dylan is a baller and a genius bball IQ playing PG. Castle has a lot of work improving his shots this Summer but he’ll get the memo.

Keeping Dylan will have the Spurs get to keep assets and picks, instead of throwing for Flagg or Giannis. Spurs got plenty of scorers. All they need is a defensive mobile big - Fleming is perfect if he’s available at 14. Spurs need to send wrong signals here.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Sooo... Value of that Mavs swap has probably dropped a bit, right?

Theoretically yes but let’s not forget there’s another swap on that pick that people bitched about relentlessly - Spurs get the best pick out of SA, Dallas and Minnesota(top 1 protected only for Minnesota).

[mudyez]

Remember when we were playing Sochan as PG because we had none other.

CP3, Castle, Fox, Harper

[spurraider21]

Remember when we were playing Sochan as PG because we had none other.

CP3, Castle, Fox, Harper
i think its safe CP3 is good as gone barring a move where we trade the #2 pick

[Robz4000]

barring trades, this is how i see the draft playing out

1 - Mavs will take Flagg
2 - Spurs will take Harper. no overthinking it.
3 - Sixers will take Bailey. they have no means of rebuilding and have no choice but to run it back. they have good young guards, need frontcourt scoring.
4 - Hornets take VJ. BPA, and is a good fit for them as well. gives them defense and good off-ball play alongside Ball/Miller
5 - Jazz take Tre Johnson. they need legit perimeter scoring juice. i think they like Collier and he needs good shooting outlets other than Lauri
6 - Wizards take Queen. they need an offensive hub/generator and Sarr is potentially a great complement to Queen's strengths and weaknesses
7 - Pelicans take Kon. they need shooting and connectivity. i dont know that they can trade mccollum, but i think they want another option at guard alongside murray
8 - Nets take Jaku. they need someone to run the show and bring maturity to their offense.
9 - Raptors take Maluach. theyve been linked to him for quite a while. poeltl has one year left and then a player option. if Johnson/Kon were available, i think they'd go that way

past that i dont have nearly as strong an opinion. no clue what rockets, blazers would do. i dont see Sorber getting past both Chicago and ATL though. think he's an awesome fit for either.

Agree with all of this tbh.

[Ice009]

Theoretically yes but let’s not forget there’s another swap on that pick that people bitched about relentlessly - Spurs get the best pick out of SA, Dallas and Minnesota(top 1 protected only for Minnesota).

Forgot about that. So if Minnesota finishes lower than either Dallas or us, they can swap for Minnesota's as long as it's not number 1?


i think its safe CP3 is good as gone barring a move where we trade the #2 pick

If the Spurs got number 1, I bet he would have been on the phone right away, but I think he now sees there isn't a spot for him anymore.

[Robz4000]

i think its safe CP3 is good as gone barring a move where we trade the #2 pick

Could still see a path for him to return, provided he's 100% fine with coming off the bench. Spurs will still need outside shooting and veteran leadership, especially for the playoffs.

Fox/CP3
Castle/Harper
Vassell/Champ
Barnes/Sochan
Wemby/Backup C

With Keldon, Wesley, and (hopefully) Fleming in the mix.

[Vienna]

not really big surprises from the combine mesurements, no clear losers or winners IMO.

Harper has pretty much the same numbers like Harden back in the days. Harper: 6'4.5" w/o shoes, 6'10.5" wingspan, 213 lbs, Harden: 6'4" w/o shoes, 6.10.75" wingspan, 222 lbs

Ace at 6'7.5" w/o shoes and 7'0.5" wingspan, that's great for a SF.

Kon as most expected: 6'5" w/o shoes, 6'6.25" wingspan. 219 lbs

Jase Richardson at 6'0.5" w/o shoes is even smaller than expeted. (6'6" wingspan isn't that bad)

McNeeley not bad at 6'6.75" w/o shoes. 6'8.5" wingspan, 215 lbs. that's pretty much exactly Gordon Hayward. (6'6.75" w/o shoes, 6'7.75" wingspan, 211 lbs)

Demin is tall. 6'8.25" w/o shoe, 6'10.25" wingspan.

Sorber smaller at 6'9.25" w/o shoes, but crazy wingspan at 7'6", same with Fleming. 6'8.25" and 7'5.25"

Bryant was a bit disappointing at 6'6.5" w/o shoes, 6'11.75" wingspan is ok.

[Gibbz]

Not really, drafting a wing in bailey make more sense with current roster. And besides it will send either vassel or scohan to the bench. Drafting harper doesnt make sense with fox and castle already in the lineup unless we trade the pick/ harper later on.

Talent > Fit

Basic drafting in every sport. Also can take a wing at 14.

[skin27]

Talent > Fit

Basic drafting in every sport. Also can take a wing at 14.

One should go between fox and castle if the spurs considering playing harper huge minutes. Because harper as nuber 2 overall will wont accept playing off the bench and a role player minutes.

[LeBowen]

One should go between fox and castle if the spurs considering playing harper huge minutes. Because harper as nuber 2 overall will wont accept playing off the bench and a role player minutes.

Yeah, he'd much rather be wasting his career away in Charlotte or Washington.
There are 96 minutes available in guard positions, Fox/Castle/Harper can all play 30+, it's not an issue.

[Dejounte]

If we’re going to let players leak to the paint because our 1-3 don’t have enough length, it makes even more sense to draft a defensive big like Sorber, IMO

[kxs783kms]

You’re free to believe whatever you want, including the tooth fairy and Santa Clause.

Since you know about those, it seems you believe in them too lol. And don't worry, I know what I'm free to believe in whatever I want.

[exstatic]

One should go between fox and castle if the spurs considering playing harper huge minutes. Because harper as nuber 2 overall will wont accept playing off the bench and a role player minutes.

Castle did for most of the year. Even James Harden did in OKC, for like THREE YEARS.

[tbdog]

Could still see a path for him to return, provided he's 100% fine with coming off the bench. Spurs will still need outside shooting and veteran leadership, especially for the playoffs.

Fox/CP3
Castle/Harper
Vassell/Champ
Barnes/Sochan
Wemby/Backup C

With Keldon, Wesley, and (hopefully) Fleming in the mix.

More like 100% fine being the second guard off the bench.

[CGD]

Not really, drafting a wing in bailey make more sense with current roster. And besides it will send either vassel or scohan to the bench. Drafting harper doesnt make sense with fox and castle already in the lineup unless we trade the pick/ harper later on.

No, it would be extremely stupid.

[Obstructed_View]

So the 2 and 3 pick in the draft were on the same team and couldn't manage a winning record?

[Degoat]

Honestly dream draft right now would be Harper and Newell, we need a rim runner for these guards

[buttsR4rebounding]

So the 2 and 3 pick in the draft were on the same team and couldn't manage a winning record?

Needless to say Steve Pikiell won't be getting any NBA offers in the near future...

[RedAzSa]

Theoretically yes but let’s not forget there’s another swap on that pick that people bitched about relentlessly - Spurs get the best pick out of SA, Dallas and Minnesota(top 1 protected only for Minnesota).
I do think that our 2030 lost a little bit of value tonight, but on the flip side the 2028 swap with Boston might have just become something real. If Tatum is out for this season and next, they’re in a really tough spot with their roster.

[Mal]

I do think that our 2030 lost a little bit of value tonight, but on the flip side the 2028 swap with Boston might have just become something real. If Tatum is out for this season and next, they’re in a really tough spot with their roster.

Tatum clearly tore his achilles, but Celtics are stacked and can wait for being ready for next season playoffs

[John B]

Pop would’ve loved this 3-guards offense, with the luxury of a ball handler always on the court. As mentioned Castle has to improve his shooting this summer which I’m sure is on top of his priorities. The next best thing is to draft a mobile big who can shoot. I feel Fleming is the best candidate at 14, very much like Naz Reid with the same 9’1 standing reach who can defend and stretch the floor. And lastly draft a backup center at 2nd round someone like Goldin or that 7’1 French kid.

Keeping Dylan would let the Spurs keep their assets and future picks, and I think it’s the best way to go. I love Cooper Flagg and wouldn’t mind exploring that trade, but it’s not really necessary. If Fleming turns out to be a Naz Reid kind of player, then he’s the best compliment for Wemby and the best consolation for not exploring the trade.

I always wanted either Queen or Sorber at Spurs 1st pick but landing the 2nd overall changes the game plan. Dylan is obviously the 2nd best player on this draft. There’s no universe that you don’t pick him. And those suggesting Bailey, Bailey is a midget compared to Giannis on that video of Giannis teaching Bailey a post up move. Bailey is years behind Dylan and such a big risk at 3rd. No way a GM contemplates picking Bailey over Dylan. But going back to Queen or Sorber. Dylan is the best bet and already a finished product. It would be a galactic risk to trade him other than to Flagg. I don’t like the idea of trading for a 30 yrs old Giannis, but again last night even created that opportunity since Fox, Castle, Giannis and Wemby will be wild! Damn it will be a crazy summer.

[Dverde]

Tatum clearly tore his achilles, but Celtics are stacked and can wait for being ready for next season playoffs

They have enormous salary cap issues. This probably gets them to trade a few players with JT being out for a year.

[KobesAchilles]

Crazy to me that NY or Indy is making the finals this year. Nobody had that on their bingo card. Now if only Denver can finish off OKC

[cd98]

I actually think our pick swap with the Celtics could turn into something at the same time that I wanted to vomit realizing our Mav pick swap just turned to garbage.

[Seventyniner]

I actually think our pick swap with the Celtics could turn into something at the same time that I wanted to vomit realizing our Mav pick swap just turned to garbage.

I wouldn't call the Mavs swap garbage, though it did go down in value somewhat. 5 years is a long time in the NBA. The Mavs could end up being bad in 2030 even with Flagg.

[scottspurs]

After sleeping on it I’m team no big trades. Draft Harper (or Queen, might be the only one left on that train) pick BPA at 14 or even a high potential project. Realistically pick 14 wont be in the rotation much this year and will probably spend time in the gleague. This being a deep draft as Brian Wright and Mitch Johnson both stated I also think pick 38 could be valuable.

The only trades I would want to do would be for rebounding or shooting help. Someone with 3 or less years left on their deal from a team desperate to shed salary. Otherwise use free agency to add some vet shooters and a forward that can rebound.

If no trades roster would look like this

Fox - Harper - Wesley
Castle - Vassell - Branham
Champangie - Johnson - Rookie
Barnes - Sochan - Vet
Wemby - Vet - Rookie

two-way
two-way
two-way

[exstatic]

So the 2 and 3 pick in the draft were on the same team and couldn't manage a winning record?

They were a mid major program with nothing else real on the roster.

[John B]

I wouldn't call the Mavs swap garbage, though it did go down in value somewhat. 5 years is a long time in the NBA. The Mavs could end up being bad in 2030 even with Flagg.

You never know what Nico would do. They could trade Flagg for Giannis for that AD/Giannis combination. Their window for winning is 2-3 and might not want to wait and sell the whole farm for Giannis and Booker, who knows.

[exstatic]

I actually think our pick swap with the Celtics could turn into something at the same time that I wanted to vomit realizing our Mav pick swap just turned to garbage.

Dallas let Brunson walk FOR NOTHING, and traded Luka for pennies on the dollar. That kind of stupid doesn’t wash out. I’m betting on Flagg not having a career there. Kyrie is already on the shelf, and it won’t be long until Street clothes is, too.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1922306071151960469

[LeBowen]

Dallas let Brunson walk FOR NOTHING, and traded Luka for pennies on the dollar. That kind of stupid doesn’t wash out. I’m betting on Flagg not having a career there. Kyrie is already on the shelf, and it won’t be long until Street clothes is, too.

Don't forget about Porzingis, another player they got rid of for nothing.

[mo7888]

After sleeping on it I’m team no big trades. Draft Harper (or Queen, might be the only one left on that train) pick BPA at 14 or even a high potential project. Realistically pick 14 wont be in the rotation much this year and will probably spend time in the gleague. This being a deep draft as Brian Wright and Mitch Johnson both stated I also think pick 38 could be valuable.

The only trades I would want to do would be for rebounding or shooting help. Someone with 3 or less years left on their deal from a team desperate to shed salary. Otherwise use free agency to add some vet shooters and a forward that can rebound.

If no trades roster would look like this

Fox - Harper - Wesley
Castle - Vassell - Branham
Champangie - Johnson - Rookie
Barnes - Sochan - Vet
Wemby - Vet - Rookie

two-way
two-way
two-way

I think i want a trade for a vet, I just don't wanna go after a top guy like Giannis. Somebody solid that won't cost us a lot of picks, but someone who is solid, fits the culture, but would leave no question that Wemby is our #1. PG13 makes sense to me. Philly will want to move on. As I said earlier I'd do Devin, Keldon, Sochan + 14 for PG +3. Assuming they balk at that, I'd probably do Devin, Keldon +14 for PG13 + 2028 1st (either theirs or LAC).

He'd fill a needed role and provide a veteran presence, but not threaten Wemby or Fox as our main guys.

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[scottspurs]

The League better not mess around and let Derik Queen fall to 14.

We would have the Castle, the Scarlet Knight (Harper), the Queen and the Alien. No Joker or King would be able to withstand that lmao

[scottspurs]

Man Ace Bailey the “more athletic one” got out jumped by Harper lol this is a rough combine for Airous.

[John B]

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1922306071151960469

Damn. Queen looks massive. Please don’t show me that tape again. I always wanted a bulldozer next to Wemby but a running game with Fox/Castle/Dylan/Wemby and maybe Fleming is where I’m at right now. Just get a big tough kid in the 2nd round to stop Queen. Because Queen is going to punish a lot of people. I hope Queen gets drafted in the EC. I’m betting on Sixers. That would be crazy Embiid and Queen. Embiid wants to shoot outside anyways.

[itzsoweezee]

Tre Johnson might've tanked his standing reach (didn't extend fully) to make his vertical leap look better than it really is (Reed Sheppard style).

After seeing the vertical leap figures, this seems to be exactly what happened.

I would put no faith in that Tre Johnson vert number

[John B]

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While 40 is not bad, I thought Edgecombe would be freakish like Ja with his highlight dunks.

[CorrectCrusader]

I'm just glad we can stop talking about players like Maluach & Kneupple and focus on the elite talents at the top of the draft. We're so fucking lucky.

[John B]

Don't forget about Porzingis, another player they got rid of for nothing.

It all started with breaking Nash/Dirk. How many times the bball gods tried to gift this franchise? The only thing good was trading for Dirk, but letting go of defensive Chandler after they won a ring. Some franchises are not meant to be great.

[LeBowen]

It all started with breaking Nash/Dirk. How many times the bball gods tried to gift this franchise? The only thing good was trading for Dirk, but letting go of defensive Chandler after they won a ring. Some franchises are not meant to be great.

Dirk took less money so they could sign Chandler Parsons. :lmao

[Mal]

They have enormous salary cap issues. This probably gets them to trade a few players with JT being out for a year.

They have, but they are able to run it again next season, if owner pays the tax for doing it.

[SpursGenius]

Harper better than expected 37 inch vertical. Almost 7 foot wingspan. Cooper Flagg only 35 inch vertical (Duke lied said he was 40). We may have the better player long term at 2.

[mo7888]

Harper better than expected 37 inch vertical. Almost 7 foot wingspan. Cooper Flagg only 35 inch vertical (Duke lied said he was 40). We may have the better player long term at 2.

:spin Wr can talk ourselves into anything here...

[scottspurs]

Watching Derik Queen finish dead last in every athletic testing category hurts my heart a little but could he fall to 14?

[John B]

Watching Derik Queen finish dead last in every athletic testing category hurts my heart a little but could he fall to 14?

He’s not a race car though but a bulldozer

[spurraider21]

Watching Derik Queen finish dead last in every athletic testing category hurts my heart a little but could he fall to 14?
his athleticism has been his biggest knock and question mark throughout this entire process, its completely unsurprising he'd perform poorly

but no we wont fall to 14. i dont think he gets past brooklyn (i think he goes earlier to Wizards)

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ClutchPoints/status/1922340204632842742

[CorrectCrusader]

Dylan Harper is looking better & better. I'm all in on him, Giannis can go wherever he wants, but he's not coming here if it costs Castle / 2nd pick

[ace3g]

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1922344063795175432

[SpursGenius]

Watching Derik Queen finish dead last in every athletic testing category hurts my heart a little but could he fall to 14?
We don’t want that fat blob at 14. Hope someone takes him before us so Brian wrong doesn’t fuck it up. I want Fleming , nesengue, or derringer at 14. Hopefully Fleming or NES at 14 and trade 38 and package of stops to move up get berringer. Resign Mamu and our other young center from this year. Sign 3 and D mid level. Dunzo.

[DPG21920]

barring trades, this is how i see the draft playing out

1 - Mavs will take Flagg
2 - Spurs will take Harper. no overthinking it.
3 - Sixers will take Bailey. they have no means of rebuilding and have no choice but to run it back. they have good young guards, need frontcourt scoring.
4 - Hornets take VJ. BPA, and is a good fit for them as well. gives them defense and good off-ball play alongside Ball/Miller
5 - Jazz take Tre Johnson. they need legit perimeter scoring juice. i think they like Collier and he needs good shooting outlets other than Lauri
6 - Wizards take Queen. they need an offensive hub/generator and Sarr is potentially a great complement to Queen's strengths and weaknesses
7 - Pelicans take Kon. they need shooting and connectivity. i dont know that they can trade mccollum, but i think they want another option at guard alongside murray
8 - Nets take Jaku. they need someone to run the show and bring maturity to their offense.
9 - Raptors take Maluach. theyve been linked to him for quite a while. poeltl has one year left and then a player option. if Johnson/Kon were available, i think they'd go that way

past that i dont have nearly as strong an opinion. no clue what rockets, blazers would do. i dont see Sorber getting past both Chicago and ATL though. think he's an awesome fit for either.

Kon to UTA seems obvious :lol

[spurraider21]

Kon to UTA seems obvious :lol
:lol tbh... i could see it. but i think they'll be looking for way more firepower than a connective piece/role player

[ginobilized]

Hoping we get Harper and Fleming or Sorber.
The ability to run with Harper, Fox, Castle, & Sochan would get us much closer to OKC as far as pace.

Having 4 speedsters players switch everything + Wemby roaming would be a wild defensive scheme.

can see Fleming being forged into the next Naz. I hope we get that chance.

[DPG21920]

Tatum clearly tore his achilles, but Celtics are stacked and can wait for being ready for next season playoffs

Celtics are in salary cap hell (224M) and can’t likely afford to keep everyone and now Tatum injury really hurts too. Interesting to see what they do this off season and who if anyone gets moved (Jrue? Derrick? A bigger player like Brown?)

[DPG21920]

Fleming as of now would be a dream pick at 14 for me. Followed by Carter Bryant. Maybe Noah Penda or maybe Wolf if SA gets creative?

[Seventyniner]

:lol tbh... i could see it. but i think they'll be looking for way more firepower than a connective piece/role player

Connective tissue is whiter than muscle though.

[Mal]

Celtics are in salary cap hell (224M) and can’t likely afford to keep everyone and now Tatum injury really hurts too. Interesting to see what they do this off season and who if anyone gets moved (Jrue? Derrick? A bigger player like Brown?)

Jrue is natural candidate. Or maybe they get for injury tax relief since Tatum will be shutdown for regular season at least. I dont know NBA rules about it, in NHL it's a thing

[couchman]

People are slow to adjust to the new reality.
I keep seeing potential starting lineups with Fox and Castle in the backcourt!

Harper is already a better shooter than Castle and can likely be a better fit in the SL because of that.
It might not happen right away because he's a rookie, but by midseason I expect that would be the move.
Harper can already hit the open catch and shoot 3 at a good %, and he would get a lot of those next to Fox and Wemby.
Harper's penetrating ability would also punish anyone chasing him off the line.

Castle can continue to get 25-30 mins a night playing Wing and backup PG until he figures out his jumper.

I'd love to keep CP3 to mentor all of these guys if he's willing to be in a player/coach role with 10-15 minutes a night.
Eventually I see Castle and Harper together as the best backcourt in the NBA.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1922352579943493839

[John B]

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1922344063795175432

Don’t work too hard and getting picked before 14. Fleming would be a perfect fit at 14 with the 9’1 standing reach, defense and firepower, shockingly similar with Sorber also at 9’1 because I love Sorber. Damn it’s a hard pick if both are available at 14. Dejounte??

[Dejounte]

Don’t work too hard and getting picked before 14. Fleming would be a perfect fit at 14 with the 9’1 standing reach, defense and firepower, shockingly similar with Sorber also at 9’1 because I love Sorber. Damn it’s a hard pick if both are available at 14. Dejounte (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=51342)??

I’ll go with Sorber because I feel like he is a mirror copy of Timmy and he can learn a lot from Timmy tbh

mirror copy as in the measurements are exactly the same, their style of offense, focus on defense, etc.

[DPG21920]

Dylan’s 3PT drill did not look great tbh…

[ace3g]

Dylan’s 3PT drill did not look great tbh…
Yeah his form didn't look good.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/JonChep/status/1922350173176381463

[scottspurs]

Cedric Coward is winning the Combine he is not going back to school sorry Duke lol

Also Hansen Yang, 7’1 barefoot, 252.6 lbs, 7’2 3/4 wingspan, 9’3 standing reach, 2nd biggest hands at combine. Would be nice big to target in round 2. Very skilled. Backup center would be solidified he is pro ready

[scottspurs]

I think Dylan’s form looks good but his release is lower than what I saw on film. Still gets nice arch

[palangi]

1. Bailey
1. Flemming
2. Amari Williams 7’ C from Kentucky. Athletic defensive rebounder.

resign Tre Jones.
trade Johnson for what you can get

PG- Fox, Jones, Wesley
SG- Castle, Vassel, Branham
SF- Bailey, Champagne, Minnix
PF- Sochan, Fleming, Mamu
C- Wemby, Williams, Bassey

[thOOdee]

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1922352579943493839


maybe knitpicking, but kinda looks like he shoots on the way down. still love if spurs take a flyer on him, essengue, or sorber.

[spurraider21]

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[John B]

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Or about 60% lethal, which is the average time AD is actually playing healthy.

[Mr. Body]

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lmao Rich Paul ain't the GM.

[John B]

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Mark Tatum seems shushing Blackman, “shush I told you guys we got you, thanks again for sending Doncic to the Lakers”

[couchman]

At this point maybe he should be GM

[scottspurs]

Interesting tidbit from last nights lottery. Heard this on Zach Lowe’s podcast. He was in the room! After the the first 3 balls for the #1 pick came through there was a 20 second delay before the 4th ball. Only one team had multiple combinations left and that was the Spurs with 3 different ball combinations that could have resulted in the top overall pick. Mavericks only chance was the #7 and that’s what came out.

Then after that the room apparently broke out in laughter and all the teams at the top of the lottery started snickering for no one else to move up. They were essentially rooting for the worst teams to get picks 2-4 even if was not themselves. When Spurs were announced as pick 2 the entire room became annoyed.

Sam Presti was looking pretty good at this point but then 76ers drew the next pick. When Philly got drawn the room turned to total craziness according to Lowe. He said when the Broadcast said Philly loses their pick everyone in the room burst out in laughter. Knowing that was a mistake. Total chaos. He said a lot of jokes were being made about the Mavericks, Nico, and how the West got even better. Then said the chatter in the room was tanking is not worth it.

He goes on to say the odds the spurs trade for Giannis went up but are still unlikely.

[John B]

Interesting tidbit from last nights lottery. Heard this on Zach Lowe’s podcast. He was in the room! After the the first 3 balls for the #1 pick came through there was a 20 second delay before the 4th ball. Only one team had multiple combinations left and that was the Spurs with 3 different ball combinations that could have resulted in the top overall pick. Mavericks only chance was the #7 and that’s what came out.

Then after that the room apparently broke out in laughter and all the teams at the top of the lottery started snickering for no one else to move up. They were essentially rooting for the worst teams to get picks 2-4 even if was not themselves. When Spurs were announced as pick 2 the entire room became annoyed.

Sam Presti was looking pretty good at this point but then 76ers drew the next pick. When Philly got drawn the room turned to total craziness according to Lowe. He said when the Broadcast said Philly loses their pick everyone in the room burst out in laughter. Knowing that was a mistake. Total chaos. He said a lot of jokes were being made about the Mavericks, Nico, and how the West got even better. Then said the chatter in the room was tanking is not worth it.

He goes on to say the odds the spurs trade for Giannis went up but are still unlikely.

Of course nobody wants the Spurs to pair Flagg with Wemby. That would be a sure dynasty, and knowing the Spurs will milk every ounce, it could be another 2 decades of avoiding the Spurs. Nobody wants that. Anybody else but the Spurs.

[BatManu20]

Woof. We all knew CMB is a poor shooter but this is rough. Decent chance he's available at 14 though.

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[exstatic]

Man Ace Bailey the “more athletic one” got out jumped by Harper lol this is a rough combine for Airous.

Not to mention that Bailey’s hands are TINY, like mid 20s %tile on both length and span.

[exstatic]

It all started with breaking Nash/Dirk. How many times the bball gods tried to gift this franchise? The only thing good was trading for Dirk, but letting go of defensive Chandler after they won a ring. Some franchises are not meant to be great.

Some franchises can’t get out of their own way.

[exstatic]

Interesting tidbit from last nights lottery. Heard this on Zach Lowe’s podcast. He was in the room! After the the first 3 balls for the #1 pick came through there was a 20 second delay before the 4th ball. Only one team had multiple combinations left and that was the Spurs with 3 different ball combinations that could have resulted in the top overall pick. Mavericks only chance was the #7 and that’s what came out.

Then after that the room apparently broke out in laughter and all the teams at the top of the lottery started snickering for no one else to move up. They were essentially rooting for the worst teams to get picks 2-4 even if was not themselves. When Spurs were announced as pick 2 the entire room became annoyed.

Sam Presti was looking pretty good at this point but then 76ers drew the next pick. When Philly got drawn the room turned to total craziness according to Lowe. He said when the Broadcast said Philly loses their pick everyone in the room burst out in laughter. Knowing that was a mistake. Total chaos. He said a lot of jokes were being made about the Mavericks, Nico, and how the West got even better. Then said the chatter in the room was tanking is not worth it.

He goes on to say the odds the spurs trade for Giannis went up but are still unlikely.

Lowe is a top basketball analyst,but his insider stuff is usually garbage.

[BatManu20]

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[palangi]

Woof. We all knew CMB is a poor shooter but this is rough. Decent chance he's available at 14 though.

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Why would we want a non-shooting very undersized PF? Good hell I hope not

[Mr. Body]

Why would we want a non-shooting very undersized PF? Good hell I hope not

We got one at home

[spurraider21]

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i think the funniest outcome would be the Nets trading for Jaylen Brown. the celtics are going to have a mulligan year and need to shed salary. i think its going to be tough to trade Jrue who will turn 35 soon and has several years left. KP is 30 mil expiring, so theres no urgency to trade him. so it will come down to trading JB or White. with Holiday getting older, i think White becomes even more important for them. and JB's contract is enormous. the nets are the one team flush with cap space to the point they can absorb whatever is needed and have draft capital to spare

KP would be hilarious fun with the spurs though :lol. i dont anticipate the spurs dealing with boston though, im not sure what type of deal Spears is thinking up

[CGD]

i think the funniest outcome would be the Nets trading for Jaylen Brown. the celtics are going to have a mulligan year and need to shed salary. i think its going to be tough to trade Jrue who will turn 35 soon and has several years left. KP is 30 mil expiring, so theres no urgency to trade him. so it will come down to trading JB or White. with Holiday getting older, i think White becomes even more important for them. and JB's contract is enormous. the nets are the one team flush with cap space to the point they can absorb whatever is needed and have draft capital to spare

KP would be hilarious fun with the spurs though :lol. i dont anticipate the spurs dealing with boston though, im not sure what type of deal Spears is thinking up

I think the subtext here is Brown to Houston. There have been connections made in the past. It would make a lot of sense for both teams honestly, given Boston's financial situation. Plus for those in the trade for Giannis camp, a Rockets pursuit of Brown would be welcome.

He's talking out his ass on San Antonio.

[kjhip1]

Not sure if anyone mentioned this, but the Zach Lowe show had Bill Simmons on today and Zach talked about how the lottery reactions were inside the room. They start talking about it around the 21:00 minute mark.

[scott]

Hoping we get Harper and Fleming or Sorber.
The ability to run with Harper, Fox, Castle, & Sochan would get us much closer to OKC as far as pace.

Having 4 speedsters players switch everything + Wemby roaming would be a wild defensive scheme.

can see Fleming being forged into the next Naz. I hope we get that chance.

My man... this is exactly my hope as well (I have Sorber over Fleming though)

[scott]

Woof. We all knew CMB is a poor shooter but this is rough. Decent chance he's available at 14 though.

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Looks better than Sochan though, tbh

[objective]

Cedric Coward is winning the Combine he is not going back to school sorry Duke lol

Also Hansen Yang, 7’1 barefoot, 252.6 lbs, 7’2 3/4 wingspan, 9’3 standing reach, 2nd biggest hands at combine. Would be nice big to target in round 2. Very skilled. Backup center would be solidified he is pro ready

YangGANG!

Probably goes in the 20s to a team with multiple picks

[Mal]

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They are not trading Jalen Brown now. Spurs should be interested in White, but no way #2 would be involved

[RC_Drunkford]

Brown and Tatum are the 2 players you don’t trade if you‘re the Celtics, with White being third. We can sign Kornet in free agency as a back up.

[Guru of Nothing]

If we're gonna dream, dream big. I want Luke Kornet in a Spurs uniform.

[spurraider21]

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[spurraider21]

they didnt want his 20 inch vert exposed

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[rascal]

They are not trading Jalen Brown now. Spurs should be interested in White, but no way #2 would be involved

Why would they be intertested in White while drafting Harper?

[rascal]

they didnt want his 20 inch vert exposed

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Hiding weaknesses

He doesn't want to slip in the draft.

[bevo]

Just an idea. Lauri and 5 from Utah and a future 1st for 2 and salary filler

[Vienna]

The biggest winner from the measurements must be Cedric Coward. Ok size for a guard at 6‘5.25“, but a real crazy wingspan at 7‘2.25“. 8‘10“ standing reach. 213 lbs. he‘s been under the radar anyway. Now he should move up to 1st round.

[scott]

Boogie Fland has officially withdrawn from the draft

Edit: now see someone else beat me to it

[NASpurs]

Jesus we almost won the lottery again :lol Around the 23 minute mark Lowe said we had the best odds to win it.


https://youtu.be/dipYubphNXY?si=icLbq-cYcXkV4xDt

*Edit* whoops beaten to it by someone else in another thread

[Seventyniner]

^the Wizards had the best chance at Wemby after the first 3 balls were drawn

[Obstructed_View]

The Spurs won on both the first and second drawings for Tim Duncan.

[scottspurs]

Just an idea. Lauri and 5 from Utah and a future 1st for 2 and salary filler

Screw the Jazz and Danny Ainge he will ask for more than that. He will want the picks to come to him.

[BackHome]

The biggest winner from the measurements must be Cedric Coward. Ok size for a guard at 6‘5.25“, but a real crazy wingspan at 7‘2.25“. 8‘10“ standing reach. 213 lbs. he‘s been under the radar anyway. Now he should move up to 1st round.

I know it is just an open gym but he shot better then Tre Johnson who had a good shooting day that is pretty impressive. I would give consideration for him at 14 if the Spurs think he can play SF and if they are willing to make some trades

[Manu&Duncan fan]

Screw the Jazz and Danny Ainge he will ask for more than that. He will want the picks to come to him.

The Lauri ship has already sailed.

His salary doesn't work anymore since we got Fox.

Plus, his refusal last summer to play with Wemby showed his low basketball ambition.

Let him enjoy skiing in Utah.

[scottspurs]

I know it is just an open gym but he shot better then Tre Johnson who had a good shooting day that is pretty impressive. I would give consideration for him at 14 if the Spurs think he can play SF and if they are willing to make some trades

I got made fun of for saying he was a sleeper for the Spurs over a month ago. I watched his tape and was blown away. He is a great all around player.

[scott]

I got made fun of for saying he was a sleeper for the Spurs over a month ago. I watched his tape and was blown away. He is a great all around player.

Vecenie is huge on Coward as well, had the Spurs taking him at 14 in his Game Theory post-lotto mock (that episode, by the way, includes a lot of lengthy discussion about the Spurs - worth checking it out).

[scott]

It's interesting to think about Dallas... they really should just try to sell off anything and everything that isn't Flagg and Lively and try to build around that.

[exstatic]

^the Wizards had the best chance at Wemby after the first 3 balls were drawn

Yeah, it was crazy. Of the remaining 11 balls, I think 9 were for the Wizards, 1 for SA, and I forget the final ball owner.

[CGD]

Thinking of 14, what do we think the Spurs board looks like now? Shooting seems like the top priority to me (you can get size in FA).

[BackHome]

Cedric Coward Shooting Stats today:

18/25 Spot Up
23/30 Off Dribble
17/25 3pt Drill

[dn0774]

The biggest winner from the measurements must be Cedric Coward. Ok size for a guard at 6‘5.25“, but a real crazy wingspan at 7‘2.25“. 8‘10“ standing reach. 213 lbs. he‘s been under the radar anyway. Now he should move up to 1st round.

But can he play basketball?

[ace3g]

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1922438133766824103

[The Truth #6]

I remember when Castle had the best 3P shooting at the Combine. Doesn't always mean much.

[SpursBills]

Do they do measurements on the international guys here or are a lot of them still playing overseas playing?

Curious if Essengue's allegedly 9'3" standing reach is true. Also wanted to see how Penda measures out.

Also, I take basically no stock in shooting drills, but if Yaxel's shot is real he automatically becomes one of the best sleepers in the 20s.