2025 NBA Draft

[John B]

Asa Newell and Georgia bounced in first round. Newell scored 20 with 8 rebounds on 6-10 shooting (0-2 from 3), 8-10 from the line. 1 assist, 4 turnovers, no steals or blocks

he's not among my favorites but is somebody i could see the spurs picking

His 6 offensive rebounds is nice, but 4 TO’s though

[spurraider21]

Kon to the spurs with their earlier has been a trendy pick in mocks lately.

he's skilled offensively, sort of Reaves-ish. but his aspiration with the spurs seems to be backup 2, and im not sure thats so valuable that you take him top 10. i dont think he can defend well enough to survive as a starter, and i dont think he has the size/length to play anything but a 2. and i dont think the plan is to have him play ahead of castle, or to move castle to the 3.

[CGD]

Kon to the spurs with their earlier has been a trendy pick in mocks lately.

he's skilled offensively, sort of Reaves-ish. but his aspiration with the spurs seems to be backup 2, and im not sure thats so valuable that you take him top 10. i dont think he can defend well enough to survive as a starter, and i dont think he has the size/length to play anything but a 2. and i dont think the plan is to have him play ahead of castle, or to move castle to the 3.

I bet they’d be thrilled with Knips. My sense is that in addition to the shooting they want secondary playmaking/creation from the wings (that’s where Devin’s development stalled tbh). From what I’m reading it’s seems like Knips has those chops, and at least competes of defense.

[SpursBills]

Kon to the spurs with their earlier has been a trendy pick in mocks lately.

he's skilled offensively, sort of Reaves-ish. but his aspiration with the spurs seems to be backup 2, and im not sure thats so valuable that you take him top 10. i dont think he can defend well enough to survive as a starter, and i dont think he has the size/length to play anything but a 2. and i dont think the plan is to have him play ahead of castle, or to move castle to the 3.

I think he can play the 3, just depends on who the other big wing is. Theoretically if he's a good enough shooter to make Sochan playable in the starting lineup, or if your 4 can effectively guard big wings and forwards alike, then he can take the least threatening opposing 2/3/4 and have Castle/Sochan (or whomever) guard the other two guys. I don't think he's that athletic, but his strength and positioning would help him to at least not get completely abused.

Long term, I think if they ended up with him the plan would be for him to shift to the 2 next to Castle in the post-Fox era in 4-5 years since he's got good playmaking chops.

[spurraider21]

Im still not out on McNeeley either. he's quicker than Kon, and probably will measure out as a little taller/longer which gives me more hope he can survive defensively as a 3.

yes his 3pt% this year disappointed, but a lot of that was UConn asking him to be an on-ball scorer which isnt really his game and isnt what his NBA game is expected to be. heck, its a role than Kon would have been better at than him. but on catch and shoot 3's he shot 38% (pulled that from vecenie's mock on the athletic), he's made 86% of his FT's and his form is pure.

i think he's shown more than Kon as a movement catch and shoot player, which more fits our needs anyway. im not sure how much Kon ballhandling i really want with Wemby doing a lot of handling, and Fox/Castle in the backcourt

[CGD]

^ I’m still high of McNeeley as well for the reason you mention re being asked to do too much. I’d be thrilled with him at the second selection.

[spurraider21]

ugh... nets choking against the pacers. up 3 and fouled on a 3pt attempt :lol

[exstatic]

F Charlotte. NOW they play everyone, after resting like 3-4 starters against ATL, and they beat the Knicks.

[rascal]

Fleming is the best pick for the Spurs outside the top 4. Atleticism and a solid rebounder and can knock down the 3 point shot at a good percentage.

He isn't going to be there at 16 with the Atlanta pick.

[BackHome]

I don’t know he got killed against UAB, Power Forward - Yale Lendeborg, who had 17 rebounds to go with 16pts VS. Fleming who had 2 rebounds to go with 6pts.

[mystargtr34]

https://youtu.be/7QOABOiUuhE?si=zBmlcjMVUe99Y3eC

I just sped through and watched all the made/missed shots in the first half that Fleming was on the floor and he hardly got dominated by Lendeborg. They were barely matched up at all.

Fleming only played 18 minutes and was in foul trouble throughout. In the first half I watched he made a couple of nice plays on both ends, also had one boneheaded turnover, some lazy fouls, and was mostly invisible on offense.

[mystargtr34]

Bulls just beat Kings on the road. Doing the Spurs a solid.

Kings look like the Bulls of last year all they are missing is Vucevic (although Valanciunas does a pretty good impersonation). Derozan and Lavine are just flat out no impact no defense playing scorers in perrenial losers.

[mystargtr34]

When you think about it the Kings really are the Bulls East of last year lol. Keegan Murray is pretty similar to Patrick Williams and Monk is similar to Colby White.

I suppose a healthy Sabonis was missing but even he is a better version of no defense playing Vucevic.

Funny stuff.

[John B]

Wolf with 9pts 11rebs with 5 offensive, 2assists, 2blks, 1steal but 3TO’s in a win over UC San Diego in a low scoring game. It’s not sexy stats but he fills it up, including TO’s :lol. I think the TO’s is workable because he plays a creator at times.

I just wish Dorser can showcase more because I like him better than Queen, while Malauch can be high upside, high risk because he’s still very raw.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhHueR2IEgc

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA0ywcSlByI

[onechance87]

https://youtu.be/7QOABOiUuhE?si=zBmlcjMVUe99Y3eC

I just sped through and watched all the made/missed shots in the first half that Fleming was on the floor and he hardly got dominated by Lendeborg. They were barely matched up at all.

Fleming only played 18 minutes and was in foul trouble throughout. In the first half I watched he made a couple of nice plays on both ends, also had one boneheaded turnover, some lazy fouls, and was mostly invisible on offense.

fleming gets fouls alot.Could be a low iq player.We dont need more of those.

[scott]

Much to the dismay of my friend Dejounte, Vecenie says Knueppel is a bottom 5% athlete for a SG/SF. Still likes him for the Spurs in his mock though.

[Dejounte]

Much to the dismay of my friend Dejounte (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=51342), Vecenie says Knueppel is a bottom 5% athlete for a SG/SF. Still likes him for the Spurs in his mock though.

His athleticism is a lesser point of emphasis for me than him being a top 6 player in this draft. He would be one of the best fits there is on the Spurs and I disagree that he’d play SG, tbh. He’s a SF through and through

[RobinsontoDuncan]

I would be shocked if Knuepple doesn't have a massive "drop" when June rolls around. A lot of times these beat reporters don't rank players where they really feel like they should go because they are afraid of being embarrassed by the reaction of fans/readers who tend to be susceptible to group think.

Nothing about Knuepple's profile makes me think he will be anything more than a bit role player, probably getting no more than 15 minutes per game on a good team.

[RC_Drunkford]

The ceiling for players like Knueppel and McNeeley is Bojan Bogdanovic

[LeBowen]

The ceiling for players like Knueppel and McNeeley is Bojan Bogdanovic

20ppg scorer on 60% TS?
Where do I sign up for us to draft one of those wings?

[RC_Drunkford]

20ppg scorer on 60% TS?
Where do I sign up for us to draft one of those wings?

prime Bogdanovic was a very good starter with decent enough defense to not be a liability. Neither one has borderline All-Star potential like Gordon Hayward, but prime Bogdanovic is a valuable rotation piece on a contender. Which is why I wouldn’t mind picking them in the right draft range

[Mr. Body]

I have no real concerns about Kon's athleticism. He uses his strength well and moves around just fine. A guy like Jared Dudley had a very long career and could barely get around the court. It doesn't matter how athletic you are if you're out of position all the time.

He also has creation abilities, one of the key pluses. Unless we pop into the top three or four, we're not getting a star potential guy. I don't think there are many in this draft. Getting a dependable advanced role-player would be great.

[LeBowen]

prime Bogdanovic was a very good starter with decent enough defense to not be a liability. Neither one has borderline All-Star potential like Gordon Hayward, but prime Bogdanovic is a valuable rotation piece on a contender. Which is why I wouldn’t mind picking them in the right draft range

Yeah, we can't expect more from a mid-lottery pick.
Having an elite 3pt wing who's not a liablity on defense is exactly what we need.

[Vienna]

McNeeley and Flagg looked like twins at Monteverde. exactly same height.
Flagg is at least 2" taller than Knueppel, mor likely 3"
while Flagg might have grown a bit till he got to Duke, but you get the argument:
McNeeley will turn out significantly taller than Knueppel at the combine.
the head to head comparison regarding the numbers sees Knueppel ahead, but considering the role and position in the NBA, I would go with McNeeley.

[ginobilized]

I imagine that the workouts and combine will change a lot of the outcomes. Kon is a polarizing player. Seeing him in a workout against a pro would be pretty telling. He could become the Jokic of SFs or out of the league in a couple of years. I see him as a couple of years away from doing much. I'd be ok with him replacing Branham, though. If we could land Reid, somehow, and draft Fleming, that would be a perfect mentor/rookie situation.

I do remember that the Spurs were rumored to be high on this draft class (pre-Fox trade) and their plan was to continue rebuilding with our picks this season.
They probably have been scouting a few of these guys for years already, like they did with Castle. At least, that's what I'm telling myself. Or, that was a CIA POP smokescreen and they'll trade their picks.

This lottery will be a bloodbath, sure to be some extreme winners/losers and some wheeling and dealing on draft day.

[Dejounte]

McNeeley and Flagg looked like twins at Monteverde. exactly same height.
Flagg is at least 2" taller than Knueppel, mor likely 3"
while Flagg might have grown a bit till he got to Duke, but you get the argument:
McNeeley will turn out significantly taller than Knueppel at the combine.
the head to head comparison regarding the numbers sees Knueppel ahead, but considering the role and position in the NBA, I would go with McNeeley.

Smh at both this post and Spurraiders

people are obsessed with height and missing the mark on the difference between Kon and Mcneely. They are nothing alike and are only being put in the same category because of skin color and the fact that both can shoot. Aside from these two aspects, they play nothing alike and people shouldnt say that height is the only difference. That’s a simpleton’s analysis.

[spurraider21]

Smh at both this post and Spurraiders

people are obsessed with height and missing the mark on the difference between Kon and Mcneely. They are nothing alike and are only being put in the same category because of skin color and the fact that both can shoot. Aside from these two aspects, they play nothing alike and people shouldnt say that height is the only difference. That’s a simpleton’s analysis.
i think mcneeley is a better movement shooter which is also more valuable from a 3. size/legnth absolutely matters if the expectation is you will have to defend other 3's. if mcneeley is slightly quicker and more athletic that also will make a world of difference

the things Kon does better involve handling/passing, which are probably not things we need all that much from the position anyway, on a team that already has fox/castle/wemby. its kind of the same issue i have with Queen. yes, he's remarkably skilled offensively. im not sure how much of that is really optimal for us anyway to make up for the defensive liability he is

[rankingtear]

I don't see much upside of Nipple in this team, he can shoot but his real value is as a secondary initiator as a ball screen player next to a rim runner. Between Fox and Castle I don't see the need to run Nipple on ball screens with Fox and/or Castle spotting up. I think you are running into the same problem with Devin where his on ball offense is devalued and he is pushed into playing more as a spot up and close out player, and in that role you kinda need someone with more size and POA defense.

According to Givony some coaches compared him to Reed Sheppard, which also loses a lot of value without ball screens. NBA defenses swallows up these players without a screener or roller generating the space. Maybe he could be Desmond Bane on a team built with a big with more traditional skill set.

[spurraider21]

yeah Bane is like the 100th percentile outcome for Kon

bane famously has a negative wingspan and isnt the best athlete. but even he is much better at moving defensively than Kon. kon is strong like Bane, but even slower footed

[rjv]

I don't see much upside of Nipple in this team, he can shoot but his real value is as a secondary initiator as a ball screen player next to a rim runner. Between Fox and Castle I don't see the need to run Nipple on ball screens with Fox and/or Castle spotting up. I think you are running into the same problem with Devin where his on ball offense is devalued and he is pushed into playing more as a spot up and close out player, and in that role you kinda need someone with more size and POA defense.

According to Givony some coaches compared him to Reed Sheppard, which also loses a lot of value without ball screens. NBA defenses swallows up these players without a screener or roller generating the space. Maybe he could be Desmond Bane on a team built with a big with more traditional skill set.

but Givony himself comped Kon to Klay Thompson.

[The Truth #6]

I don't expect either of them to be a starter anyway unless we make a trade.

[scott]

His athleticism is a lesser point of emphasis for me than him being a top 6 player in this draft. He would be one of the best fits there is on the Spurs and I disagree that he’d play SG, tbh. He’s a SF through and through

If he is a high IQ shooter, he'd be a rare unicorn in post Nephew San Antonio. I'm on board with it. Wouldn't be super excited about it... but honestly I don't feel much to be excited about with this draft unless we hit in the lotto.

[spurraider21]

i dont hate Kon. i just think he's going to be a bench SG, and if we are going to have 1 high pick, feels rich.

if he ends up being able to start alongside Fox/Castle (Vassell?)... then sure it would be a hit. with that said, after Ace Bailey... there arent really great SF/PF types. its a lot of these tweener PF/C types like Newell/Queen. Pure PF types like CMB, Essengue, or its just guards like Jakucionis, Fears, Richardson, Tre Johnson

its McNeeley, and Carter Bryant who are SF types that would fit here. i think Bryant would be a candidate with the Hawks pick, not our own though. Fleming/Bryant is an outcome i'd be cool with.

[RC_Drunkford]

i think mcneeley is a better movement shooter which is also more valuable from a 3. size/legnth absolutely matters if the expectation is you will have to defend other 3's. if mcneeley is slightly quicker and more athletic that also will make a world of difference

the things Kon does better involve handling/passing, which are probably not things we need all that much from the position anyway, on a team that already has fox/castle/wemby. its kind of the same issue i have with Queen. yes, he's remarkably skilled offensively. im not sure how much of that is really optimal for us anyway to make up for the defensive liability he is

Kon is a better defender and finisher at the rim, plus he‘s ambidextrous. McNeeley is a better rebounder, but struggles to finish. Kon is the better movement shooter while McNeeley is a catch and shoot guy. McNeeley’s numbers shooting off the dribble aren’t good at all. They are quite different as Dejounte (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=51342) pointed out.

[Uriel]

How would Duke fare in a matchup against the Wizards?

[LeBowen]

How would Duke fare in a matchup against the Wizards?

Poole would score 60 on them.

[spurraider21]

Kon is a better defender and finisher at the rim, plus he‘s ambidextrous. McNeeley is a better rebounder, but struggles to finish. Kon is the better movement shooter while McNeeley is a catch and shoot guy. McNeeley’s numbers shooting off the dribble aren’t good at all. They are quite different as Dejounte (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=51342) pointed out.
by movement shooter i dont mean pulling up off the dribble (which kon is that great at anyway)... it is inclusive of some catch and shoot opportunites, curling off screens, reposotioning, etc. just means its not a stationary catch and shoot

belinelli was a phenomenal movement shooter, for all his warts. its something champagnie has struggled with. mcneeley also looks like a better straight line athlete than kon which to me thinks he'll have a better time in the NBA when it comes to attacking closeouts, even if Kon is a more skilled handler/passer. mcneeley does a lot more of the hectic "run around until he gets a crack of daylight" off ball stuff. kon, not as much

[Uriel]

Poole would score 60 on them.
With Cooper Flagg guarding him?

[LeBowen]

With Cooper Flagg guarding him?

It's a 5v5 game and Duke has maybe one more player who's NBA ready right now.
College teams are garbage compared to even the worst NBA rosters.

[spurraider21]

How would Duke fare in a matchup against the Wizards?
wizards break a lot of records. offensively, defensively, everything

[rjv]

yeah, the wizards would trounce duke. not even close.

[SpursBills]

the G league is filled with guys who were all-conference during their college career who now have been getting better for 5 or more years and who still can't sniff the NBA. Oscar Tshiebwe just put up 37 points and 26 rebounds in the G league and has played a total of 160 NBA minutes over 2 seasons. So yes, there is not a question that the worst NBA team would destroy the best D1 teams, it's not even a question.

[RC_Drunkford]

by movement shooter i dont mean pulling up off the dribble (which kon is that great at anyway)... it is inclusive of some catch and shoot opportunites, curling off screens, reposotioning, etc. just means its not a stationary catch and shoot

belinelli was a phenomenal movement shooter, for all his warts. its something champagnie has struggled with. mcneeley also looks like a better straight line athlete than kon which to me thinks he'll have a better time in the NBA when it comes to attacking closeouts, even if Kon is a more skilled handler/passer. mcneeley does a lot more of the hectic "run around until he gets a crack of daylight" off ball stuff. kon, not as much

true, I'm fine with both, although I see them more as 7th man than starters

[scott]

I think we should all start getting used to the idea that there aren't any instant starters in the ranges we will likely be picking, and maybe not even until year 3 for some of these guys if they hit.

[spurraider21]

true, I'm fine with both, although I see them more as 7th man than starters
yeah i agree. particularly as rookies, i dont see either displacing Castle/Vassell as starters.

now, if the spurs next year decide to start Fox/Vassell, and have Castle be the 3rd guard coming off the bench in some 3 man rotation, or have Vassell be the 6th man scorer off the bench, or if one of them eventually gets moved (and i'd assume it would be Devin before Castle), then I think its more likely that McNeeley slots in as the next starter than Kon.

between Keldon (who is suddenly playing well), and Champagnie who is fine but hasn't really taken his shooting to the level we need, i think theres more of an opening at F than G

despite Dejounte's take, i dont see Kon as a SF at all

if the spurs go with a bigger player with their earlier pick, whether it be Murray Boyles, Newell, Fleming, etc... i'd really like Carter Bryant with the Hawks pick

[BackHome]

Do you see Bryant as a true SF or more hybrid SF/PF?

[rascal]

by movement shooter i dont mean pulling up off the dribble (which kon is that great at anyway)... it is inclusive of some catch and shoot opportunites, curling off screens, reposotioning, etc. just means its not a stationary catch and shoot

belinelli was a phenomenal movement shooter, for all his warts. its something champagnie has struggled with. mcneeley also looks like a better straight line athlete than kon which to me thinks he'll have a better time in the NBA when it comes to attacking closeouts, even if Kon is a more skilled handler/passer. mcneeley does a lot more of the hectic "run around until he gets a crack of daylight" off ball stuff. kon, not as much

Also Kon will cost you the spurs pick if he's even there and with some luck you can get McNeeley with the Atlanta pick. McNeeley is the better value.

[LeBowen]

I think we should all start getting used to the idea that there aren't any instant starters in the ranges we will likely be picking, and maybe not even until year 3 for some of these guys if they hit.

Is anyone even thinking that we'll draft a starter outside of top3?
We need a high end starting PF, backup PG (depends on CP3), backup wing (depends on Devin, Keldon) and backup big.

As someone who doesn't follow college ball closely, looking at these prospects in #7-12 range, I'd honestly just take Maluach.

[spurraider21]

Do you see Bryant as a true SF or more hybrid SF/PF?
definitely seems like a hybrid. he has the sochan/jalen johnson type build. somewhere between 6'8 and 6'9 with a wingspan at 7 feet or so

athletically he's probably somewhere in betwene those two. i think he could player either spot. his jumper looks solid and defensively i dont think he has any issue on the perimeter at all

he just has had a small role for most of the year so the production isnt there

[tonight...you]

Is anyone even thinking that we'll draft a starter outside of top3?
We need a high end starting PF, backup PG (depends on CP3), backup wing (depends on Devin, Keldon) and backup big.

As someone who doesn't follow college ball closely, looking at these prospects in #7-12 range, I'd honestly just take Maluach.
No. No starter.

[CGD]

Is anyone even thinking that we'll draft a starter outside of top3?
We need a high end starting PF, backup PG (depends on CP3), backup wing (depends on Devin, Keldon) and backup big.

As someone who doesn't follow college ball closely, looking at these prospects in #7-12 range, I'd honestly just take Maluach.

Good point. I assume any new starters would come via trade or free agency (if any).

Draft shooting and rebounding — I’m partial to Asa and McNeeley right now.

[Thomas82]

Good point. I assume any new starters would come via trade or free agency (if any).

Draft shooting and rebounding — I’m partial to Asa and McNeeley right now.

Those are my 2 picks as well.

[mo7888]

I like Kon and McNeeley, but as pointed out here they are very different players. McNeeley is a 3 and Kon is a 2. I think Kon is the better fit. Kon + Rasheer would be as good as we could get in this draft without moving to the top of the draft. Kon and Bryant would be very good too, although it'll take Bryant longer to develop.

[spurraider21]

Bryant having a heck of a tournament debut

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he's not as prolific/productive, but there is some Rudy Gay in his game, and i mean that in a good way. 3/4 through the game, he has 9 points (4-6 shooting, 1-2 from 3), 4 rebounds, 3 blocks and a steal

edti: just knocked in another 3 as well

[scott]

Is anyone even thinking that we'll draft a starter outside of top3?
We need a high end starting PF, backup PG (depends on CP3), backup wing (depends on Devin, Keldon) and backup big.

As someone who doesn't follow college ball closely, looking at these prospects in #7-12 range, I'd honestly just take Maluach.

Have seen a lot of posts about "I don't want to use a lotto pick on a backup [whatever]" but the reality is most of these guys look like backups for multiple years. The consensus Top 5 are really the only 5 I'd be surprised to see not become more than a career backup. Most everyone else needs to reach the high end of their range of outcomes to exceed that, IMO.

[Dejounte]

It’s hella pessimistic to say everybody after the top 5 is a backup when I don’t think that’s ever happened historically.

[scott]

It’s hella cynical to say everybody after the top 5 is a backup when I don’t think that’s ever happened historically.

That's not what I'm saying, amigo. Undoubtably, some of these guys will reach the high end of their range of outcomes. Maybe even become all-stars. It happens every year. It's just that outside of the top 5, my median expectation for most of these guys is career backup. I'm just increasingly of the opinion that this is a very poor draft from around 6-20. After that point things level off to a typical draft (where the median expectation is role player anyway)

Edit: so with that in mind, there are a couple directions you can go. The safer route might net you a nice role player. Or you can swing for upside (which is how you hit home runs, but you also sometimes just get Blakes and Brans)

[RC_Drunkford]

Is anyone even thinking that we'll draft a starter outside of top3?
We need a high end starting PF, backup PG (depends on CP3), backup wing (depends on Devin, Keldon) and backup big.

As someone who doesn't follow college ball closely, looking at these prospects in #7-12 range, I'd honestly just take Maluach.

I'm fine with drafting a rotation player. Doesn't necessarily have to be a starter, but the player should be in the rotation at the start of the season. I'm also on the Maluach train. He'd be a contributor for obviously the biggest need of our team and we'd have great rim protection for 48 minutes. With the league going more towards double big line ups again, they could experiment of playing him and Wemby together for a few minutes as well.

[Dejounte]

I'm fine with drafting a rotation player. Doesn't necessarily have to be a starter, but the player should be in the rotation at the start of the season. I'm also on the Maluach train. He'd be a contributor for obviously the biggest need of our team and we'd have great rim protection for 48 minutes. With the league going more towards double big line ups again, they could experiment of playing him and Wemby together for a few minutes as well.
The Spurs don’t follow league trends tbh

they’ve been doubling , tripling down on their current roster construction

if they were interested in doing anything else, they would have experimented way more with Bassey and Wemby playing together. Or collins and Wemby playing together. Or even Sandro and Wemby playing together. Fact is, they dont believe in that model. They want someone ultra switchable on defense at the 4.

[spurraider21]

McNeeley stinking it up

[Dejounte]

The most predictable pick the Spurs can make is Egor Demin, especially if they keep winning like this and fall to the later lottery. Egor fits the versatility mold they’re going for tbh… especially if the reported interest in Giddey was real

[onechance87]

carter bryant gonna be in the lottery if he keeps this up.

[rankingtear]

I'm fine with drafting a rotation player. Doesn't necessarily have to be a starter, but the player should be in the rotation at the start of the season. I'm also on the Maluach train. He'd be a contributor for obviously the biggest need of our team and we'd have great rim protection for 48 minutes. With the league going more towards double big line ups again, they could experiment of playing him and Wemby together for a few minutes as well.

You probably need at least a passing big if you want to go in that direction to be able to run some kind of offense between them.

[rankingtear]

Fears would look really good on our team. If Fox was not on the roster this is probably the prospect most mocked to us.

[td4mvp2k]

Fears would look really good on our team. If Fox was not on the roster this is probably the prospect most mocked to us.
he's gonna be a star hope falls to spurs

[spurraider21]

Valiant effort by Fears. He’s gonna go top 10

[spurraider21]

Holding my McNeeley shares with diamond hands tbh

[Mr. Body]

Should have passed on super-expensive Fox and drafted Fears instead. Way way way cheaper and the same archetype.

[spurraider21]

Boat, mystery box, etc

take Fleming and Bryant and you’ve just added length, defense, athleticism and shooting at the forward spots and a legit option to play some small 5

[Mr. Body]

Jakucionas not shooting well but nearly a triple doub.

[Mr. Body]

Carter Bryant reminds me of a guy like Josh Minott. Very athletic, didn't play much, went into the draft anyway, went second round, still hasn't done anything in the pros.

[spurraider21]

Carter Bryant reminds me of a guy like Josh Minott. Very athletic, didn't play much, went into the draft anyway, went second round, still hasn't done anything in the pros.
minott was definitely springier than what ive seen from bryant. but he couldnt shoot at all, and bryant is definitely bigger/stronger than he was

its possible he flames out. its why he's going to go in the 20's in all likelihood. if he comes back for another year of college i think he'll easily go lotto next year. coach didnt trust him much as a freshman, would have much more production as a sophomore. he's the only freshman in their rotation this year, and even then his role was smaller early in the year and grew with time

[spurraider21]

Will Riley tho...

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJxMy62iuXQ

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

minott was definitely springier than what ive seen from bryant. but he couldnt shoot at all, and bryant is definitely bigger/stronger than he was

its possible he flames out. its why he's going to go in the 20's in all likelihood. if he comes back for another year of college i think he'll easily go lotto next year. coach didnt trust him much as a freshman, would have much more production as a sophomore. he's the only freshman in their rotation this year, and even then his role was smaller early in the year and grew with time

Disagree about Bryant in the 20s. The reason he hasn't played more is because of their horrible coach who prefers to rely on chuckers like Caleb Love over what was clearly working for them and shows in the numbers - they've been significantly better with Bryant playing.

My issue with him is that I'm not sure about his ceiling because his handling doesn't seem advanced at all and his self creation is lacking. Perhaps this could be a role thing, haven't watched him all that much but it's concerning because if he's just a 4 then his value drops a little compared to being a 3/4 hybrid. But he has a clearer path to an NBA role compared to many other players in the lottery and I expect him to go somewhere in the 10-14 range if not earlier because of this. A stronger Jaden McDaniels would intrigue many teams.

If Spurs can get him at 9/10, plus Fleming with the Atlanta pick (his stock has probably dropped a little after his poor end of the season) then I'd be very happy. Not that high of a ceiling with either of them, but the current roster doesn't need as much self creation and scoring from a rookie as they do more defensive structure and spacing. They don't need numbers but efficiency both offensively and defensively.

Still very high on my man Riley though.

[CGD]

Feels like this year I haven’t heard much about the foreign prospects. How are we feeling about these SF prospects?

Noa Essengue
Hugo Gonzalez

[scottspurs]

I’m all for the spurs taking one last swing since it might be the last time they pick high (until all the pick swaps later this decade come into effect). But with the Hawks pick I wouldn’t mind drafting a more pro ready older prospect that could integrate into a role quicker. I like Clifford, Fleming, Jones and Broome.

[scott]

Watching Michigan for the second time this season, and remain unimpressed with Wolf or Goldin. But just come across as your prototypical good upperclassman college players who don't amount to anything in the NBA. Like Drew Timme, who was good in the G-League this year. I expect this guys to follow Timme's path.

[heyheymymy]

Carter Bryant is my new infatuation of the moment. Would jump at a chance to get a Jaden Mcdaniels Jalen Johnson type.

[spurraider21]

Watching Michigan for the second time this season, and remain unimpressed with Wolf or Goldin. But just come across as your prototypical good upperclassman college players who don't amount to anything in the NBA. Like Drew Timme, who was good in the G-League this year. I expect this guys to follow Timme's path.
i have no interest in Wolf tbh. cute player, doing well in college, going to get roflstomped in the pros imo

[Dejounte]

Updated… moved Saraf, CMB, Demin, Hugo up. Moved Queen, Wolf down.

Tier 1 - No brainer
Flagg
Harper


Tier 2 - Oozing talent
Kon
VJ Edgecombe
Jase Richardson


Tier 3 - Talented & decent fit
Fleming
Carter Bryant
CMB
Saraf


Tier 4 - Talented, but the fit is terrible
Bailey
Tre Johnson


Tier 5 - Talented, but I have serious concerns
Demin
Queen
Wolf


Tier 6a - High risk, high reward
De Larrea
Hugo
Noa


Tier 6b - Safe picks
Riley
Kasparas
Maluach


Tier 7 - Meh
Asa Newell
Fears
Traore


Tier 8 - Bust
McNeeley

-if we get one guy from my tier 2, and one guy from tier 3 - i’m extremely happy
-if we get two guys from my tier 3, i’m happy.
-if we get a guy from my tier 5, i would be surprised and intrigued
-any other scenario except tier 7 and 8, I will be OK with

[cutewizard]

Kon

CMB

[LeBowen]

-if we get one guy from my tier 2, and one guy from tier 3 - i’m extremely happy
-if we get two guys from my tier 3, i’m happy.
-if we get a guy from my tier 5, i would be surprised and intrigued
-any other scenario except tier 7 and 8, I will be OK with

You really think we'll get two rookies?
I don't think so, unless there are two players they really like and see as must haves if available.

[exstatic]

You really think we'll get two rookies?
I don't think so, unless there are two players they really like and see as must haves if available.

They weren’t shopping #8 last year. Minnesota called and insisted on bidding against themselves.

[LeBowen]

They weren’t shopping #8 last year. Minnesota called and insisted on bidding against themselves.

And you know that exactly how?
I'm not saying they were or weren't shopping it, I'm just saying it's impossible to know because PATFO don't leak many information, which is a good thing.

If there isn't a must have player available, I'd include ATL pick in a trade or just move up by consolidating those two picks.

[Dejounte]

You really think we'll get two rookies?
I don't think so, unless there are two players they really like and see as must haves if available.

I do since I think this is the last time we’ll ever pick this high + reports indicate they were high on this draft.

[John B]

Updated… moved Saraf, CMB, Demin, Hugo up. Moved Queen, Wolf down.


-if we get one guy from my tier 2, and one guy from tier 3 - i’m extremely happy
-if we get two guys from my tier 3, i’m happy.
-if we get a guy from my tier 5, i would be surprised and intrigued
-any other scenario except tier 7 and 8, I will be OK with

Sorber is a player who I think could’ve been top 10 if he didn’t get hurt. Big body, tremendous rebounder, bully in the paint, and rim protector, moves well with his feet. He shoots 72FT and could improve his shooting. He could be available for the ATL pick.

My infatuation with Wolf is how he sets Goldin as another big man. I’m sure Wemby is a better target. I’m not overly concerned with his lack of athleticism. I still see him as 7footer, 250 lbs and moves well at that size.

[John B]

You really think we'll get two rookies?
I don't think so, unless there are two players they really like and see as must haves if available.

I think so because they can always work on a project backup C with high upside. I don’t see Bassy, Branham back.

[cutewizard]

https://youtu.be/UyWD1KKw9Ew?si=PV5oS75PQBZxzLcs

[cutewizard]

https://youtu.be/z0_fCNkPzbw?si=RXP_6vQV6lwY1w8y

[cutewizard]

https://youtu.be/UETTGS9yTRw?si=kwDgNfaiW-QY2Wmg

[LeBowen]

I do since I think this is the last time we’ll ever pick this high + reports indicate they were high on this draft.

If we do get two rookies, one will be a project and will go the usual G-league route.
Right now we have 7 players who are guaranteed to get minutes (+Champ), even if someone gets traded, we're getting another key piece in return.
Unless we luck into top5, I don't want another guard.
I'd be happy with a backup big ready to contribute right away and the highest ceiling wing prospect.
We don't really need a low ceiling wing, we got Champ and Keldon for that.

[Mr. Body]

They weren’t shopping #8 last year. Minnesota called and insisted on bidding against themselves.

If I recall, they put out word the day or so before that it was available.

[Mr. Body]

Yeah, word was out that they made the pick available on June 21. The draft was June 25. They were shopping it.

[Dejounte]

If we do get two rookies, one will be a project and will go the usual G-league route.
Right now we have 7 players who are guaranteed to get minutes (+Champ), even if someone gets traded, we're getting another key piece in return.
Unless we luck into top5, I don't want another guard.
I'd be happy with a backup big ready to contribute right away and the highest ceiling wing prospect.
We don't really need a low ceiling wing, we got Champ and Keldon for that.

I really don’t think one of Vassell and Keldon will still be here.

[LeBowen]

I really don’t think one of Vassell and Keldon will still be here.

I hope so, but I don't think Devin gets moved. Keldon maybe. And as I said, someone (hopefully) better will be going the other way.
Unless there's a big trade for KD or someone similar, we'll still be at 8 players with guaranteed minutes. And I can't see PATFO going for another max player.

[onechance87]

lets see if liam mcneely can redeem himself....Hes been playing like trash last few games.

[John B]

https://youtu.be/z0_fCNkPzbw?si=RXP_6vQV6lwY1w8y

Careful you might start liking this guy :lol

[John B]

https://youtu.be/z0_fCNkPzbw?si=RXP_6vQV6lwY1w8y

Careful you might start liking this guy :lol

[KobesAchilles]

Careful you might start liking this guy :lol
It’s too late. That’s who I want with our second pick. He has size, finishes with both hands, has touch around the rim, can handle the ball, makes smart decisions, and knows how to play offensively. He’s just what I want for our back up big.

[John B]

It’s too late. That’s who I want with our second pick. He has size, finishes with both hands, has touch around the rim, can handle the ball, makes smart decisions, and knows how to play offensively. He’s just what I want for our back up big.

Nah he intrigues me a lot with his skills and knowledge. It’s the athleticism that suspect. But he’s still 7 footer 250 lbs and he’s still going to be NBA strong. As other posters say, I rather Spurs get a smart player. Because that Beautiful Game only works with “smart players” and could hide the less athletic ones

[scott]

Updated… moved Saraf, CMB, Demin, Hugo up. Moved Queen, Wolf down.

Tier 1 - No brainer
Flagg
Harper


Tier 2 - Oozing talent
Kon
VJ Edgecombe
Jase Richardson


Tier 3 - Talented & decent fit
Fleming
Carter Bryant
CMB
Saraf


Tier 4 - Talented, but the fit is terrible
Bailey
Tre Johnson


Tier 5 - Talented, but I have serious concerns
Demin
Queen
Wolf


Tier 6a - High risk, high reward
De Larrea
Hugo
Noa


Tier 6b - Safe picks
Riley
Kasparas
Maluach


Tier 7 - Meh
Asa Newell
Fears
Traore


Tier 8 - Bust
McNeeley

-if we get one guy from my tier 2, and one guy from tier 3 - i’m extremely happy
-if we get two guys from my tier 3, i’m happy.
-if we get a guy from my tier 5, i would be surprised and intrigued
-any other scenario except tier 7 and 8, I will be OK with

Curious at what leads you to believing Bailey is a terrible fit. Seems one of the most natural fits of this entire draft, tbh.

[scott]

I do since I think this is the last time we’ll ever pick this high + reports indicate they were high on this draft.

Reports said they were higher than consensus on last year's draft too, tbh

[Dejounte]

Curious at what leads you to believing Bailey is a terrible fit. Seems one of the most natural fits of this entire draft, tbh.
The lack of physicality and strength.

I’m of the opinion that we should compensate the lack of bulk we’ll never have at our starting C position (because of Wemby) with both of our forward spots.

Now I’m not saying that there won’t be players I’ll want that don’t meet that criteria— i’m not a fan of Ace’s playstyle in general, kind of reminds me of Jerami Grant or Kelly Oubre Jr.

[exstatic]

The lack of physicality and strength.

I’m of the opinion that we should compensate the lack of bulk we’ll never have at our starting C position (because of Wemby) with both of our forward spots.

Don’t forget that he’s a bit of a black hole, with a fractional asst/TO ratio. That doesn’t seem very Spursy.

[Dejounte]

Reports said they were higher than consensus on last year's draft too, tbh

Now thinking about it… my description for tier 4 and 5 could be swapped tbh… with Demin going to the other tier like:

Tier 4 - talented, but I have serious concerns
Bailey - lack of strength and physicality as I said before
Tre Johnson - boneheaded shot maker that we probably don’t need
Demin - might be way too passive to make a difference

Tier 5 - talented, but the fit is terrible
Queen - defense concerns
Wolf - might occupy the same spots as Wemby / hard to game plan an offense with Wolf taking the same spots as Wemby

[Knoxxx]

I like this k-nipple kid!

[Dejounte]

Gonna write notes for the rest of the players for the hell of it. Not gonna do the tier 1 because it’s obvious.

Tier 2 - Oozing talent
Kon -I think the Spurs are constantly looking for winning players, and Kon fits that definition to the T.
VJ Edgecombe - the combination of defense and athleticism is just too good to pass up
Jase Richardson - i know our backcourt is crowded but if you have a chance to draft a potential all star that plays a little bit like Maxey, you do it.


Tier 3 - Talented & decent fit
Fleming - the combination of strength, length, and shooting is too good to pass up. Our lineup needs length (without sacrificing speed) in a way very few can provide in this draft
Carter Bryant - almost same as the above. Not as strong, however. I do fear that this guy is just another Isaiah Roby though.
CMB - this is like taking another shot at another (more defensive-minded) Luka Samanic, but obviously a better chance of hitting since Samanic’s immaturity level was otherworldly
Saraf - this guy is a flat out hooper. His bag on the offensive end is sick. I’m not putting all my eggs in this basket but i’m just impressed by what he can do on offense.


Tier 6a - High risk, high reward
De Larrea - vision is nice, can shoot the 3. But, at his height he should be able to breakdown his man more often on offense. It makes me feel like his ballhandling is not good enough.
Hugo - he’s here because of his defense and his offense is nothing to write home about. If he’s somehow a great 3 and D prospect and can be a better version of Champagnie, that would be great. Perimeter defense is a great need and that’s why he’s here.
Noa - this man is physical as evidenced by his high free throw rate and I think I’ve said enough about how we need a lot of players like that on the team.


Tier 6b - Safe picks
Riley - cant go wrong with a shooter who can also handle the ball some
Kasparas - cant go wrong with a playmaker who has had good experience already leading his team
Maluach - I feel bigs are easy to showcase in the league, especially if they’re above average like Malauch is. Just see how well Biyombo’s doing with us.


Tier 7 - Meh
Asa Newell - I don’t see him being that versatile with how poor of a shooter he is and how stiff he is as a perimeter defender
Fears - i think he’ll need the ball too much to truly be effective here
Traore - same as Fears


Tier 8 - Bust
McNeeley - scrub

[Dejounte]

VJ with a disappointing game vs Duke… too little too late. Didn’t show enough fire the whole game. I’m not one to write off any player after one game though.

[spurraider21]

Gonna write notes for the rest of the players for the hell of it. Not gonna do the tier 1 because it’s obvious.

Tier 2 - Oozing talent
Kon -I think the Spurs are constantly looking for winning players, and Kon fits that definition to the T.
VJ Edgecombe - the combination of defense and athleticism is just too good to pass up
Jase Richardson - i know our backcourt is crowded but if you have a chance to draft a potential all star that plays a little bit like Maxey, you do it.


Tier 3 - Talented & decent fit
Fleming - the combination of strength, length, and shooting is too good to pass up. Our lineup needs length (without sacrificing speed) in a way very few can provide in this draft
Carter Bryant - almost same as the above. Not as strong, however. I do fear that this guy is just another Isaiah Roby though.
CMB - this is like taking another shot at another (more defensive-minded) Luka Samanic, but obviously a better chance of hitting since Samanic’s immaturity level was otherworldly
Saraf - this guy is a flat out hooper. His bag on the offensive end is sick. I’m not putting all my eggs in this basket but i’m just impressed by what he can do on offense.


Tier 6a - High risk, high reward
De Larrea - vision is nice, can shoot the 3. But, at his height he should be able to breakdown his man more often on offense. It makes me feel like his ballhandling is not good enough.
Hugo - he’s here because of his defense and his offense is nothing to write home about. If he’s somehow a great 3 and D prospect and can be a better version of Champagnie, that would be great. Perimeter defense is a great need and that’s why he’s here.
Noa - this man is physical as evidenced by his high free throw rate and I think I’ve said enough about how we need a lot of players like that on the team.


Tier 6b - Safe picks
Riley - cant go wrong with a shooter who can also handle the ball some
Kasparas - cant go wrong with a playmaker who has had good experience already leading his team
Maluach - I feel bigs are easy to showcase in the league, especially if they’re above average like Malauch is. Just see how well Biyombo’s doing with us.


Tier 7 - Meh
Asa Newell - I don’t see him being that versatile with how poor of a shooter he is and how stiff he is as a perimeter defender
Fears - i think he’ll need the ball too much to truly be effective here
Traore - same as Fears


Tier 8 - Bust
McNeeley - scrub
appreciate these write-ups :tu

of course everybody will have their own tweaks and preferences, but these are the parts i disagree with the most:

- i think you are vastly overrating Kon (and he's a guy i'd be content with taking if we wind up around pick 9-10). having him in the "oozing talent" category is just a misread imo. he's a pretty limited player who is the beneficiary of playing on a loaded team. he constantly finds himself getting the ball in advantageous positions, with a defender having to close out on him. with that said, he's very effective in those situations as an advantage-exploiter. he is a very accurate and consistent shooter, and he has enough ball skills to beat closeouts. my concern is whether he has the athleticism to do the same at the NBA level. the shooting will be fine, but im not convinced he's going to be much of a player inside the 3pt line at the NBA level. but unlike McNeeley, he constantly makes correct decisions. he's also probably the worst defender in their lineup and benefits by having 2 of the best help defenders in the class behind him in Flagg and Maluach while Proctor and James take on the more difficult assignments.

i would place Nipple in the "safe picks" category. he's going to be a playable reserve 2. hopefully he has enough length/ability to become belinelli offensively to make up for the defense. all the competitiveness in the world doesnt matter if you are as woefully unathletic as he is, and he's going to defend guards. too small to defend forwards. if you are expecting derrick white type outcomes, i dont see it. but lord knows the spurs need a legitimate sniper. champagnie being 36% aint it. vassell below 37% for his career aint it. barnes has been lethal from the corner, but thats most of his production. more than half of his 3pa are from the corner, and he's nailing 48% of those. outside the corner, hes 3p% is closer to 36% as well


- i put Jace in the "talented but i have concerns" tier. guy can shoot and score. the playmaking isnt there. the defense isnt there. the size isnt there. the athleticism is decent enough but doesnt stand out like his dad. all in all he's probably an undersized 2. to me, he's a worse prospect than dillingham was who showed actual point guard chops. but he's a bit bigger than dilly so maybe he survives as a bite-sized 2. but what's his fit next to Fox... i dont see it.

- CMB is not a decent fit. his role is highly redundant with sochan. we dont need another tweener forward who defends the perimeter and struggles with the outside shot. CMB offensively plays like a hub, something like Julius randle. i think thats a very poor fit for the spurs given what we have. i think his talent exceeds his fit, and i have questions about his talent as an undersized interior player without an outside shot. i put him in the "talented but terrible fit" tier

- bailey is in the oozing talent category. and he's a good fit as well. to me he's the clear #3 on the spurs big board.

i dont hate mcneeley... but yes it was an incredibly rough stretch to finish his freshman campaign. still, i think his struggles came from Uconn not really having any good on-ball players and asking more of him than he was reasonably equpped to handle.

[TD 21]

If the Spurs land in the projected range and as expected the likes of Maluach, Knueppel, Jakucionis and Johnson (doubt they'd select him either way) are gone, I suspect Richardson followed by McNeeley are the most likely picks.

Should they declare, Bryant, Sorber, Riley, Beringer, Penda, Powell, Condon, Fleming (more so hope, as they've always avoided this archetype) are others I could see them having interest in, but with the Hawks pick.

Can't see them selecting another poor - non shooting primary/secondary creator (Fears, Traore, Demin, Gonzalez, Saraf) or another poor - non shooting big who isn't a defensive anchor (Murray-Boyles, Queen, Newell, Essengue, Wolf).

[spurraider21]

If the Spurs land in the projected range and as expected the likes of Maluach, Knueppel, Jakucionis and Johnson (doubt they'd select him either way) are gone, I suspect Richardson followed by McNeeley are the most likely picks.

Should they declare, Bryant, Sorber, Riley, Beringer, Penda, Powell, Condon, Fleming (more so hope, as they've always avoided this archetype) are others I could see them having interest in, but with the Hawks pick.

Can't see them selecting another poor - non shooting primary/secondary creator (Fears, Traore, Demin, Gonzalez, Saraf) or another poor - non shooting big who isn't a defensive anchor (Murray-Boyles, Queen, Newell, Essengue, Wolf).
i agree with most of this. though i dont know that they'll value Jase very much

[TD 21]

I see Richardson as mostly as a combination of process of elimination, fit and archetype that they've traditionally been attracted to.

I don't see a no brainer, so maybe in part because of that, they throw caution to the wind and just go pure talent play with a Fears or Demin or whoever, but high floor/moderate to low ceiling > than low floor/moderate to high ceiling at this stage.

[Gibbz]

Some bad tape for Jakucionis today. Has gotten eaten up on the defensive end all game and has more than twice as many turnovers than assists.

[spurraider21]

Some bad tape for Jakucionis today. Has gotten eaten up on the defensive end all game and has more than twice as many turnovers than assists.
im not saying he's cooked as a prospect, but theres always going to be a question mark when it comes to translating games of guys who are simply meh athlets, particulary when they're supposed to be initiators/creators. but he has solid size as evidenced by his rebounding (similar to Podz), so there are still plenty of pathways for success. as with basically every perimeter prospect, shooting will go a long way with him

[scott]

He's smaller than we'd all like... but what about Nique Clifford as a possibility with the ATL pick? What are the cases for and against?

[Knoxxx]

How about Proctor in round 2?

[onechance87]

How about Proctor in round 2?

wouldnt mind that

[SpursBills]

Good lord Derik Queen. Stock up.

[scottspurs]

Derik Queen with the Legendary game Winner. I don’t think he even makes to the spurs at this point unless they move up into top 4.

[exstatic]

Derik Queen with the Legendary game Winner. I don’t think he even makes to the spurs at this point unless they move up into top 4.

He’s a non-shooting big who isn’t particularly effective around the rim, and isn’t a rim protector. He will not going in the top 4, game winner or no, and he’ll be very lucky to go in the top 10.

[scottspurs]

Queen telling the coach he wants the ball during the timeout. He has that Dawg in him. Dude is an offensive Juggernaut. Sign me up. He will develop into a star.

[baseline bum]

- bailey is in the oozing talent category. and he's a good fit as well. to me he's the clear #3 on the spurs big board.


So if the Spurs luck into the #2 pick are you taking Harper despite already having Fox and Castle?

[spurraider21]

So if the Spurs luck into the #2 pick are you taking Harper despite already having Fox and Castle?
i'd explore a trade down but if unavailable i'd take the best player and figure it out later. somebody will probably get moved. but basically the bet is that the return you'd get for Castle (if he develops as expected) or Harper would exceed the value of Bailey

the kings famously took haliburton when they already had fox. the return for haliburton exceeded the next big taken that draft, isaiah stewart

[spurraider21]

He's smaller than we'd all like... but what about Nique Clifford as a possibility with the ATL pick? What are the cases for and against?
he's been mocked in the 20's pretty consistently. he's older and thats always a perceived risk on ceiling, and he's having a 5th year breakout... but he's been a good shooter for a couple of years and his FT% has been trending up as well. he's a reasonable defender. he's a reasonable floor pick. had a nice game today.

[KobesAchilles]

So if the Spurs luck into the #2 pick are you taking Harper despite already having Fox and Castle?
I see why he would want Harper. But for me, you gotta take Bailey with the #2 pick. He has the size and athleticism and the shooting that we need. I don’t feel good about teaching him basketball. But hey just bc we failed teaching KJ, Vassell, and Sochan how to play basketball doesn’t mean we always will.

Poach the best player development coaches from notoriously cheap Detroit and Cleveland and draft Bailey and we may our frontcourt for the next decade. Hell we might have our team for the next decade if we sign Naz Reid too.

[spurraider21]

Yeah i mean from fit/playability perspective Bailey is #2 to Flagg. His archetype is basically exactly what we need. Someone to replace HB as a bigger and more athletic version of him

Harper just looks like such a sure bet to be very good in a multitude of ways that I’d just take the value even if fit isn’t there.

[Uriel]

Where would Edgecombe have been drafted if he had been on last year’s draft?

[spurraider21]

Where would Edgecombe have been drafted if he had been on last year’s draft?
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[mystargtr34]

I like Nique Clifford but not for the Spurs I think there’s better options.

However I think Clifford could easily go to the Magic at 15 I think that’s a good fit there as a 3 and D 2 guard with a little bit of self creation. KCP has been awful for the Magic he’s only really looked like a quality role player next to Jokic and the LeBron/AD Lakers.

[exstatic]

I see why he would want Harper. But for me, you gotta take Bailey with the #2 pick. He has the size and athleticism and the shooting that we need. I don’t feel good about teaching him basketball. But hey just bc we failed teaching KJ, Vassell, and Sochan how to play basketball doesn’t mean we always will.

Poach the best player development coaches from notoriously cheap Detroit and Cleveland and draft Bailey and we may our frontcourt for the next decade. Hell we might have our team for the next decade if we sign Naz Reid too.

How can you trust that shooting? It’s 34% with a sub 70% FT.

[Mr. Body]

I take Harper over Bailey without hesitation. Bailey has talent, but with him he's like the meme with Peter Parker lifting his glasses. People think they're seeing Kevin Durant. I don't really have a great comp for him, but I think a team will have to build around him a bit to cover for his inadequacies and give him a shot diet that causes problems elsewhere. Give him a lot of shots and keep him on the floor despite causing problems everywhere.

I don't see a winning player, while Harper has more of that factor.

[Vienna]

Proctor shot 13-16 on 3s in the first two games. (that's a ridiculous 81%)
February and March (15 games) he is now 15.4 PPG (45% 3s). playing decent defense as well.
mocks still have him at the end of 2nd round. so at pick 40 he would be a nice option, could replace someone like Branham.
but if he keeps playing like this, he will likely climb back into 1st round.

[onechance87]

Proctor shot 13-16 on 3s in the first two games. (that's a ridiculous 81%)
February and March (15 games) he is now 15.4 PPG (45% 3s). playing decent defense as well.
mocks still have him at the end of 2nd round. so at pick 40 he would be a nice option, could replace someone like Branham.
but if he keeps playing like this, he will likely climb back into 1st round.

He most likely will go first.Alot of these other college players didnt look good at all and could
see them returning to college since they most likely hurt their value.

[mo7888]

How about Proctor in round 2?

I personally think he'll be gone in the 1st round. I really like him here though.

[jjspur]

Proctor has that "he's more talented than he looks - even on a good team" vibe and will probably be a 20ish to late first round pick. If he could fall to the spurs it would be a no brainer. An easy Branham replacement.

[exstatic]

How about Proctor in round 2?

He really strikes me as not a PG. I had a better vibe from Castle last year, and almost no one thought he was a PG. This guy has a 3GA rate of .611. That’s a lot of time spent outside the arc chucking up long shots for someone supposedly running the offense. Both his assists and USG% are way too low for a PG. if he is really 6’5”, he could find a place as a smallish scoring guard. If he’s really like 6’3”, his outcomes become diminished.

[mo7888]

He really strikes me as not a PG. I had a better vibe from Castle last year, and almost no one thought he was a PG. This guy has a 3GA rate of .611. That’s a lot of time spent outside the arc chucking up long shots for someone supposedly running the offense. Both his assists and USG% are way too low for a PG. if he is really 6’5”, he could find a place as a smallish scoring guard. If he’s really like 6’3”, his outcomes become diminished.

He was used more as a PG a year or two ago. I see him as a combo guard that could easily be part of a Castle, Fox, Proctor 3 man rotation. I do agree though that his height/length will have a significant effect on that. If he measures short he would have a hard time being on the court with Fox.

[Vienna]

He was used more as a PG a year or two ago. I see him as a combo guard that could easily be part of a Castle, Fox, Proctor 3 man rotation. I do agree though that his height/length will have a significant effect on that. If he measures short he would have a hard time being on the court with Fox.

McCain measured 6'2" (w/o shoes) at the combine. telling from the comparison in pictures from the 2024 Duke team, Proctor should measure some 2" taller.

[CGD]

New draft screed by Wasserman

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25173295-2025-nba-mock-draft-2-round-predictions-and-pro-comps-ncaa-sweet-16

[KobesAchilles]

How can you trust that shooting? It’s 34% with a sub 70% FT.
Isn’t Harper at 33%? Neither one is a lights out shooter. But both of them are willing to shoot high volume 3s. Again I’m not against Harper. Before the season starter we that’s who I wanted on the Spurs. But with Castle, we don’t really need Harper.
I also am kinda old school and if all things are fairly close, I’d rather go with size.

[scott]

I'm as high on the Fox/Castle combo as anyone... but I'm still of the mind that this team doesn't have enough talent to not take the BPA, regardless of position. Even if it were a C clearly at the top of the draft (which it's not), I'd take that guy and figure it out. I like Bailey's fit here, but I think Harper is a clear tier above Ace, and I'd have no hesitation adding Harper and figuring it out. You would need one of Castle or Harper to agree to a super 6th man role for the next 4-5 years (which they might not like as it limits their ability to maximize their rookie extension) - but a 3-man rotation of Fox/Castle/Harper could give you elite guard play for 48 minutes.

[spurraider21]

Isn’t Harper at 33%? Neither one is a lights out shooter. But both of them are willing to shoot high volume 3s. Again I’m not against Harper. Before the season starter we that’s who I wanted on the Spurs. But with Castle, we don’t really need Harper.
I also am kinda old school and if all things are fairly close, I’d rather go with size.
i mean Harper/Castle backcourt would be nasty, but we also have Fox

[spurraider21]

I'm as high on the Fox/Castle combo as anyone... but I'm still of the mind that this team doesn't have enough talent to not take the BPA, regardless of position. Even if it were a C clearly at the top of the draft (which it's not), I'd take that guy and figure it out. I like Bailey's fit here, but I think Harper is a clear tier above Ace, and I'd have no hesitation adding Harper and figuring it out. You would need one of Castle or Harper to agree to a super 6th man role for the next 4-5 years (which they might not like as it limits their ability to maximize their rookie extension) - but a 3-man rotation of Fox/Castle/Harper could give you elite guard play for 48 minutes.
yep if you have 2 prospects very similarly scored, you can put one above the other based on need

but harper is a tier above bailey, and you take the clearly better player and worry about the rest later

[ginobilized]

I'm as high on the Fox/Castle combo as anyone... but I'm still of the mind that this team doesn't have enough talent to not take the BPA, regardless of position. Even if it were a C clearly at the top of the draft (which it's not), I'd take that guy and figure it out. I like Bailey's fit here, but I think Harper is a clear tier above Ace, and I'd have no hesitation adding Harper and figuring it out. You would need one of Castle or Harper to agree to a super 6th man role for the next 4-5 years (which they might not like as it limits their ability to maximize their rookie extension) - but a 3-man rotation of Fox/Castle/Harper could give you elite guard play for 48 minutes.

This would be a great problem to have. The matchup combos with those 3 could be nightmare inducing for other teams. Gotta take best player available and that has always been the Spurs mantra, whether we agree with the pick or not.

[exstatic]

One of Harper/castle can play minutes at the 3.

[TD 21]

Already thinking I undersold Bryant (too caught up in current mock drafts). I'd swap him and McNeeley, in terms of tiers of most likely Spurs pick.

Conventional wisdom seems to be that because they're transitioning to win now mode that they'll prefer a more plug and play type than Richardson or Bryant might be, but the reality is Paul out, backup C TBD in could be the only rotational change.

[Mr. Body]

You take Harper and figure it out. Bailey is fool's gold. Harper-Castle-Fox can work. If they can't, you get rid of Fox. It's not like he's some can't-miss talent or anything. He's useful but has serious flaws.

Harper could be your perimeter offensive workhorse, taking a lot off of Wemby.

As for Bailey, I think I agree with Bleacher Report, above, that I take Edgecombe before I take Bailey. At baseline Edgecombe can be a strong defender and his shooting is already better efficiency (than both Rutgers players).

[LeBowen]

If we get a #2-5 pick, I'm calling the Pelicans and offering them that pick, Devin and Jeremy for Murphy and Herb.
Instant contenders if Wemby is healthy.

[scott]

New draft screed by Wasserman

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25173295-2025-nba-mock-draft-2-round-predictions-and-pro-comps-ncaa-sweet-16

I always appreciate the pro-player comps in these, because I don't watch a lot of college basketball and when I do it is only for draft purposes.

The comps always help me frame things in a more easy to understand question.

For example, for this team right now would I rather add Andrew Wiggins or MPJ? Oladipo or Brandon Miller? In both those cases, I'm taking the latter of the former - which leads me to put Bailey over Edgecomb (I recognize this isn't an exact science).

It was interesting to me that two of Harper's comps were a guy I'm pumped we just traded for (Fox) and a guy I have thought would be a really nice fit for us in a three-man rotation (Coby White).

I have watched exactly zero tape of Ben Saraf, but the Manu comp is intriguing though seems somewhat lazy. How realistic is that?

I have also seen zero Kam Jones, but that write up has me interested if he somehow felt to us in the 2nd.

I remember some people talking about Adou Thiero earlier in the cycle... he draws a Keldon comparison at 6'8" here... if Keldon were 6'8" (and a little smarter, basketball wise) he'd be pretty rad.

Karaban all the way down to 49 here... fits with my take on him, but I know a lot of people were high on him in the late teens.

Lastly... I'd be interested in Andrej Stojakovic with our SRP if for no other reason than to prevent a Stojakovic from torching again. Do Croatians count in the SpursTalk list of countries where you can just take anyone off the street and they'll be able to shoot?

[scott]

If we get a #2-5 pick, I'm calling the Pelicans and offering them that pick, Devin and Jeremy for Murphy and Herb.
Instant contenders if Wemby is healthy.

One of my favorite NBA fanfic's is where NO lands #1 and then trades somehow trades Zion for #2 (not with us, as I don't want Zion). A Harper/Trey/Herb/Cooper/Missi lineup would be at the top of my LeaguePass rankings.

[baseline bum]

If we get a #2-5 pick, I'm calling the Pelicans and offering them that pick, Devin and Jeremy for Murphy and Herb.
Instant contenders if Wemby is healthy.

JFC I hope they can do better than that for pick #2 - #4 (Spurs can't get #5)

[spurraider21]

I always appreciate the pro-player comps in these, because I don't watch a lot of college basketball and when I do it is only for draft purposes.

The comps always help me frame things in a more easy to understand question.

For example, for this team right now would I rather add Andrew Wiggins or MPJ? Oladipo or Brandon Miller? In both those cases, I'm taking the latter of the former - which leads me to put Bailey over Edgecomb (I recognize this isn't an exact science).

It was interesting to me that two of Harper's comps were a guy I'm pumped we just traded for (Fox) and a guy I have thought would be a really nice fit for us in a three-man rotation (Coby White).

I have watched exactly zero tape of Ben Saraf, but the Manu comp is intriguing though seems somewhat lazy. How realistic is that?

I have also seen zero Kam Jones, but that write up has me interested if he somehow felt to us in the 2nd.

I remember some people talking about Adou Thiero earlier in the cycle... he draws a Keldon comparison at 6'8" here... if Keldon were 6'8" (and a little smarter, basketball wise) he'd be pretty rad.

Karaban all the way down to 49 here... fits with my take on him, but I know a lot of people were high on him in the late teens.

Lastly... I'd be interested in Andrej Stojakovic with our SRP if for no other reason than to prevent a Stojakovic from torching again. Do Croatians count in the SpursTalk list of countries where you can just take anyone off the street and they'll be able to shoot?
yeah i never try to think of player comps as "he will be as good as player x" but it helps contextualize what their path to success at the nba level may look like if things pan out or like you did, try to see how a player may fit on a particular team.

with that said, a lot of the comps in that BR article seem awful. jakucionis being billups? how useful is comparing jase richardson to reed sheppard who has barely been on an NBA court in projecting him?

its also why im generally lower on CMB than others. i may be overthinking it. maybe just take the f'n hooper. but i struggle to see how he works out here. the randle comp is one ive seeing elsewhere (albeit he is a much better defender). but an undersized big (he's a PF) who doesnt shoot very well, it gives me a lot of pause

[spurraider21]

If we get a #2-5 pick, I'm calling the Pelicans and offering them that pick, Devin and Jeremy for Murphy and Herb.
Instant contenders if Wemby is healthy.
agree with bb... seems like an overpay. if it was #4 and we were looking at VJ... makes it more palatable

[baseline bum]

One of my favorite NBA fanfic's is where NO lands #1 and then trades somehow trades Zion for #2 (not with us, as I don't want Zion). A Harper/Trey/Herb/Cooper/Missi lineup would be at the top of my LeaguePass rankings.

God I hope not. Nothing against New Orleans but everyone always gets hurt there and I don't want to see Flagg and Harper never hit their potentials.

[scott]

yeah i never try to think of player comps as "he will be as good as player x" but it helps contextualize what their path to success at the nba level may look like if things pan out or like you did, try to see how a player may fit on a particular team.

with that said, a lot of the comps in that BR article seem awful. jakucionis being billups? how useful is comparing jase richardson to reed sheppard who has barely been on an NBA court in projecting him?

its also why im generally lower on CMB than others. i may be overthinking it. maybe just take the f'n hooper. but i struggle to see how he works out here. the randle comp is one ive seeing elsewhere (albeit he is a much better defender). but an undersized big (he's a PF) who doesnt shoot very well, it gives me a lot of pause

Yeah, a lot of those comps also just made me even more pessimistic about this draft in general :lol

I wouldn't be upset at all if we ended up trading out of both picks, tbh. The Super Friends recent play has actually warmed me up slightly to the idea of largely running it back if we paired them with a new coaching staff... though we still need a starting SF and Devin should be 6th man (though Devin and Keldon are a messy fit off the bench)

[Dejounte]

You take Harper and figure it out. Bailey is fool's gold. Harper-Castle-Fox can work. If they can't, you get rid of Fox. It's not like he's some can't-miss talent or anything. He's useful but has serious flaws.

Harper could be your perimeter offensive workhorse, taking a lot off of Wemby.

As for Bailey, I think I agree with Bleacher Report, above, that I take Edgecombe before I take Bailey. At baseline Edgecombe can be a strong defender and his shooting is already better efficiency (than both Rutgers players).

What was your favorite response to people suggesting Sochan’s replacement should come from the draft?

“LoL aT peOplE thInkiNg a tEEnaGeR wHo HaSnt pLayEd NBa miNutEs is BeTteR thaN aN Nba PlaYer”

[Mr. Body]

I always appreciate the pro-player comps in these, because I don't watch a lot of college basketball and when I do it is only for draft purposes.

The comps always help me frame things in a more easy to understand question.

For example, for this team right now would I rather add Andrew Wiggins or MPJ? Oladipo or Brandon Miller? In both those cases, I'm taking the latter of the former - which leads me to put Bailey over Edgecomb (I recognize this isn't an exact science).

It was interesting to me that two of Harper's comps were a guy I'm pumped we just traded for (Fox) and a guy I have thought would be a really nice fit for us in a three-man rotation (Coby White).

I have watched exactly zero tape of Ben Saraf, but the Manu comp is intriguing though seems somewhat lazy. How realistic is that?

I have also seen zero Kam Jones, but that write up has me interested if he somehow felt to us in the 2nd.

I remember some people talking about Adou Thiero earlier in the cycle... he draws a Keldon comparison at 6'8" here... if Keldon were 6'8" (and a little smarter, basketball wise) he'd be pretty rad.

Karaban all the way down to 49 here... fits with my take on him, but I know a lot of people were high on him in the late teens.

Lastly... I'd be interested in Andrej Stojakovic with our SRP if for no other reason than to prevent a Stojakovic from torching again. Do Croatians count in the SpursTalk list of countries where you can just take anyone off the street and they'll be able to shoot?

Some of those comps are not correct even in passing. Harper is not Fox at all, in any way. And don't fall into the trap of assuming a comp is a straight equivalency. In no way is Bailey as good as Brandon Miller.

You're getting trapped into picking for position over talent. I'd way, way rather pick a high motor excellent defender with good offensive upside in Edgecombe over a guy with terrible shot selection, inability to pass, a below average feel for the game, and iffy defense just because he's taller.

[Mr. Body]

What was your favorite response to people suggesting Sochan’s replacement should come from the draft?

“LoL aT peOplE thInkiNg a tEEnaGeR wHo HaSnt pLayEd NBa miNutEs is BeTteR thaN aN Nba PlaYer”

Not getting your point here. Can you settle down and try again?

[Dejounte]

Not getting your point here. Can you settle down and try again?

Pointing out how you’re a hypocrite. Nothing new. Carry on.

[Mr. Body]

Pointing out how you’re a hypocrite. Nothing new. Carry on.

The post you're replying to doesn't even advocate replacing players. Bro, before you get on a hissy fit, you've got to make a single ounce of sense. You're coming off like a dumb little dumpling.

[Dejounte]

The Spurs need to aim for finding perfect role players as opposed to players who has had their entire basketball life revolve around them. These players will be focused on getting theirs. They need to get their own version of Lu Dort. A 6’4” thicc boi who could defend anybody.

[spurraider21]

Is Furphy still a better pick than Risacher?

[LeBowen]

agree with bb... seems like an overpay. if it was #4 and we were looking at VJ... makes it more palatable

I value contracts a lot, Murphy's is near identical to Devin's and he's a better player.
Jeremy is fundamentally flawed and we have to extend him.

It's maybe an overpay, but more of a general idea, I'm not that interested in adding another guard if we can get legit wings in return.

I fully believe that prime Pop would coach Fox/Castle/?/Barnes/Wemby to 50+ wins next season, with ? being a high end 3-D wing and legit PG, C backups also added to the roster.
Too bad we have Pop's corpse and not prime Pop.

[Knoxxx]

Queen telling the coach he wants the ball during the timeout. He has that Dawg in him. Dude is an offensive Juggernaut. Sign me up. He will develop into a star.

Dude took like 4 steps before that shot.

[Knoxxx]

One of Harper/castle can play minutes at the 3.

Assuming the Spurs make their 3 picks at the current spots, who are your 3 picks?

[exstatic]

Assuming the Spurs make their 3 picks at the current spots, who are your 3 picks?

Too early. After the combine and lottery, I’ll make my picks. Waaaaay too much changes between now and then.

[CGD]

Assuming the Spurs make their 3 picks at the current spots, who are your 3 picks?

If Demin continues to have a good tourney, I have a feeling the Spurs won’t be able to help themselves if they’re picking at 9-10. He’s actually shooting 38% on good volume (5/13) from 3 in the first two games. Passing is insane.

The comps to Giddy (a rumored spurs target) are also noteworthy. Next game v Alabama will be telling.

[SpursBills]

yeah i never try to think of player comps as "he will be as good as player x" but it helps contextualize what their path to success at the nba level may look like if things pan out or like you did, try to see how a player may fit on a particular team.

with that said, a lot of the comps in that BR article seem awful. jakucionis being billups? how useful is comparing jase richardson to reed sheppard who has barely been on an NBA court in projecting him?

its also why im generally lower on CMB than others. i may be overthinking it. maybe just take the f'n hooper. but i struggle to see how he works out here. the randle comp is one ive seeing elsewhere (albeit he is a much better defender). but an undersized big (he's a PF) who doesnt shoot very well, it gives me a lot of pause

I think measurements really will be key with CMB. Right now I'm extremely high on him for his IQ, handle, motor, and strength, but I'm assuming he's got PJ Washington/Scottie Barnes size (6'6.5"-6'7" barefoot, 7'2"+ wingspan) which I don't consider undersized for a 4. If it turns he's got more like Grant Williams size (6'5.75" barefoot, 6'9.75" wingspan), I'm waaaaay less interested.

[rascal]

If Demin continues to have a good tourney, I have a feeling the Spurs won’t be able to help themselves if they’re picking at 9-10. He’s actually shooting 38% on good volume (5/13) from 3 in the first two games. Passing is insane.

The comps to Giddy (a rumored spurs target) are also noteworthy. Next game v Alabama will be telling.

A guard shooting 41% and 28% on 3's and 68% FT for the year. Don't see why the Spurs would have interest.

[spurraider21]

I think measurements really will be key with CMB. Right now I'm extremely high on him for his IQ, handle, motor, and strength, but I'm assuming he's got PJ Washington/Scottie Barnes size (6'6.5"-6'7" barefoot, 7'2"+ wingspan) which I don't consider undersized for a 4. If it turns he's got more like Grant Williams size (6'5.75" barefoot, 6'9.75" wingspan), I'm waaaaay less interested.
my problem is CMB doesnt shoot from outside, and his game is very post oriented, like you have to run stuff through him for him to really be effective. i think in that respect, the Randle comparisons are apt (of course, he can change/improve his game), and Randle has always been an awkward fit. to his credit, CMB projects to be a much much better defender than Randle

[spurraider21]

If Demin continues to have a good tourney, I have a feeling the Spurs won’t be able to help themselves if they’re picking at 9-10. He’s actually shooting 38% on good volume (5/13) from 3 in the first two games. Passing is insane.

The comps to Giddy (a rumored spurs target) are also noteworthy. Next game v Alabama will be telling.
yeah, i would agree that Demin is the best passer in the draft from what i've seen. he is something like Giddey with Slo-Mo size

[rankingtear]

They would consider all good playmakers with size becz Wemby is an off ball superstar. Good thing is this class has a lot of non small playmakers. CMB, Wolf, Demin, Jaku, Nipple and connectors in Riley, Bryant, Penda, Clifford, Hugo.

[RC_Drunkford]

Demin is a high ceiling low floor project. If he can put it all together he could become a borderline All-Star. If he doesn‘t he’s out of the league like Luka Samanic

[stnick2261]

I wanted Demin and McNeeley since the beginning so I'm holding that line (if we don't move up). Won't be upset with plenty of other choices though. I'd try to keep CP3 to train Demin from the bench... and try to trade Keldon and Devin for big man depth

[John B]

Where Spurs at right now, I’m picking Kon and Wolf

CP3/Castle, Fox, Kon, Wolf, Wemby - that’s a very high IQ group. Wemby can roam and swap what big Wolf slows down.
Blake, Devin, Keldon, Barnes, Sochan/Mamu/Bismack

What I like about Wolf is a high IQ player who already knows how to play with another big, connector or facilitator. Tbh, Wemby is not as good backing down with the ball with his high dribble and weaker hip frame. He’s best playing KD role. Wolf is not dominant but he fills the stats - a true solid role player. He’s only playing point-forward a year with Michigan so I’m not worried with those TO’s. And he’s 34% at 3, so I’m not worried about his shooting.

Kon is a Swiss Army knife and plays the same as Wolf, another baller. Kon/Wolf high bball IQ, both solid role players for me.

[mo7888]

There are so many ways this draft can go and the combine results will definitely shift things, but today where we are projected to draft I'd be thrilled with:
Spurs pick- Jackucionis or Kneupple
Atlanta pick- Fleming or Bryant
2nd round: De Larrea or Proctor or Kalkbrenner or Clayton Jr

[CGD]

I’m anticipating a meltdown on this thread when Kon’s combine measurements reveal he’s closer to 6’4 with a negative wingspan. He’s a hell of a player, but he looks small to me (or maybe be plays small).

[mo7888]

I’m anticipating a meltdown on this thread when Kon’s combine measurements reveal he’s closer to 6’4 with a negative wingspan. He’s a hell of a player, but he looks small to me (or maybe be plays small).

That wouldn't be a meltdown. That would simply be moving on to the next guy. I think he'll turn out around 6'7", but if he came in 6'4" he'd definitely drop.

[Dejounte]

I’m anticipating a meltdown on this thread when Kon’s combine measurements reveal he’s closer to 6’4 with a negative wingspan. He’s a hell of a player, but he looks small to me (or maybe be plays small).

for those obsessed with height, maybe? Boomers still haven’t adjusted to the fact that 6’4” tall players can play the forward spots effectively

anyway, it’s all moot since I don’t think he’ll turn out to be that small. Don’t care either way since it’s all about if the prospect is a hooper or not, and he is. Proctor is listed at 6’5”/6’6”, btw:

https://media.gettyimages.com/id/2186411388/photo/duke-v-arizona.webp?s=612x612&w=gi&k=20&c=PXvh2arZy8hbrRykLYMtkqwRNdbZ9f-xnodEWjauaH0=

[mo7888]

for those obsessed with height, maybe? Boomers still haven’t adjusted to the fact that 6’4” tall players can play the forward spots effectively

anyway, it’s all moot since I don’t think he’ll turn out to be that small. Don’t care either way since it’s all about if the prospect is a hooper or not, and he is. Proctor is listed at 6’5”/6’6”, btw:

https://media.gettyimages.com/id/2186411388/photo/duke-v-arizona.webp?s=612x612&w=gi&k=20&c=PXvh2arZy8hbrRykLYMtkqwRNdbZ9f-xnodEWjauaH0=

If you look at the pictures with Flagg he looks 6'7" if you assume the 6'9" Flagg measurements are correct.

[mystargtr34]

For me the cutoffs for Kon are the following.
Height without shoes: 6’6”
Standing reach: 8’7
These are Jaylen Brown type measurements. Wingspan is less important than standing reach for an offensive player but a neutral wingspan would be a win for him. If he’s at or above these then he can probably play the 3 next to Fox and Castle.

For me to be in on CMB (who I like) he would need to come in at least 6’6” without shoes, 7’0” wingspan and 8’10” standing reach. This would allow him to thrive as a 4 imo. These are PJ Washington, Draymond Green type measurements

[rankingtear]

ESPN stock watch is up and I am surprised Fleming is targeted on defense. Fleming truthers is he really a good defender or just gambles a lot?

[onechance87]

ESPN stock watch is up and I am surprised Fleming is targeted on defense. Fleming truthers is he really a good defender or just gambles a lot?

he has no basketball iq and fouls alot.Sometimes hes worthless on the court.

[rankingtear]

From the little full games I watched, Fears is true lead guard but his wingspan is concerning, shows up a lot in his finishing. Clifford looks lika pro physically, watched the Colorado game with zero idea who is who and you definitely could tell from his frame. Bryant is a skinny 220 that guy could be Aaron Gordon size at his peak. Skirtz is nice, such an impact player but unlikely pro with that frame.

[LeBowen]

Looking at mock drafts, I'm just hoping all the guards do well.
In some scenarios, there wouldn't be much difference between #5 and #10 pick for us.
Tre Johnson, Jakucionis, Fears, Jase Richardson and even Traore are the players we want to get picked before it's our turn.

Hornets, Sixers, Blazers and Bulls are the only teams that probably wouldn't draft a guard unless Harper is available.
Everyone else needs a point guard.

[spurraider21]

Where Spurs at right now, I’m picking Kon and Wolf

CP3/Castle, Fox, Kon, Wolf, Wemby - that’s a very high IQ group. Wemby can roam and swap what big Wolf slows down.
Blake, Devin, Keldon, Barnes, Sochan/Mamu/Bismack

What I like about Wolf is a high IQ player who already knows how to play with another big, connector or facilitator. Tbh, Wemby is not as good backing down with the ball with his high dribble and weaker hip frame. He’s best playing KD role. Wolf is not dominant but he fills the stats - a true solid role player. He’s only playing point-forward a year with Michigan so I’m not worried with those TO’s. And he’s 34% at 3, so I’m not worried about his shooting.

Kon is a Swiss Army knife and plays the same as Wolf, another baller. Kon/Wolf high bball IQ, both solid role players for me.
I wouldnt take Wolf in the 2nd round tbh

edit: being a bit over dramatic. would take him in the 2nd :lol... just not a fan of him with either top 20 picks. too limited, and i dont see his playstyle carrying over well. but theres enough skill to think he finds a niche in the NBA. if olynyk and mo wagner can stick, wolf should as well

[spurraider21]

for those obsessed with height, maybe? Boomers still haven’t adjusted to the fact that 6’4” tall players can play the forward spots effectively

anyway, it’s all moot since I don’t think he’ll turn out to be that small. Don’t care either way since it’s all about if the prospect is a hooper or not, and he is. Proctor is listed at 6’5”/6’6”, btw
who are all these successful 6'4 forwards in the NBA?

[LeBowen]

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

[ginobilized]

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

Their Big Board feels about right as of now. Sorber might be in the running for us.

[LeBowen]

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/41662748/2025-nba-draft-big-board-rankings-top-100-prospects-players

Just updated.

[scott]

Where Spurs at right now, I’m picking Kon and Wolf

CP3/Castle, Fox, Kon, Wolf, Wemby - that’s a very high IQ group. Wemby can roam and swap what big Wolf slows down.
Blake, Devin, Keldon, Barnes, Sochan/Mamu/Bismack

What I like about Wolf is a high IQ player who already knows how to play with another big, connector or facilitator. Tbh, Wemby is not as good backing down with the ball with his high dribble and weaker hip frame. He’s best playing KD role. Wolf is not dominant but he fills the stats - a true solid role player. He’s only playing point-forward a year with Michigan so I’m not worried with those TO’s. And he’s 34% at 3, so I’m not worried about his shooting.

Kon is a Swiss Army knife and plays the same as Wolf, another baller. Kon/Wolf high bball IQ, both solid role players for me.

Jesus if that is our team next year, you can expect a lot more PATFO has got to go threads from me

[rjv]

don't like wolf. don't like queen.

[rascal]

Demin is a high ceiling low floor project. If he can put it all together he could become a borderline All-Star. If he doesn‘t he’s out of the league like Luka Samanic

How do you see high ceiling? I see no all star potential in his tape and stats.

[rascal]

I’m anticipating a meltdown on this thread when Kon’s combine measurements reveal he’s closer to 6’4 with a negative wingspan. He’s a hell of a player, but he looks small to me (or maybe be plays small).

I'll say 6'5 but not a long wingspan. Has a guard's game.

[John B]

Their Big Board feels about right as of now. Sorber might be in the running for us.

I also like Sorber a lot, and his injury could land him to Spurs lap. Big bully in the paint, can pass and better mobility than Queen.

[John B]

Jesus if that is our team next year, you can expect a lot more PATFO has got to go threads from me

This team doesn’t need another hero-baller who cannot fall in line. Unless it’s Flagg or Harper. Spurs need solid role players. They already have Wemby, Fox and Castle. They don’t need another Devin or Keldon who have channel visions.

[scott]

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

A fun hobby is to look at player comps of white dudes... they are usually just other white dudes :lol

Knueppel: Hayward, Sczerbiak, Fournier, Kennard

[baseline bum]

who are all these successful 6'4 forwards in the NBA?

Charles Barkley checkmate

[scott]

This team doesn’t need another hero-baller who cannot fall in line. Unless it’s Flagg or Harper. Spurs need solid role players. They already have Wemby, Fox and Castle. They don’t need another Devin or Keldon who have channel visions.

Brother, I'm fine with that... but the team you constructed that I was replying to looks like it would be quite terrible :lol

[Dejounte]

A fun hobby is to look at player comps of white dudes... they are usually just other white dudes :lol

Knueppel: Hayward, Sczerbiak, Fournier, Kennard

It’s lame and folks who do that have no creative thought

[baseline bum]

A fun hobby is to look at player comps of white dudes... they are usually just other white dudes :lol

Knueppel: Hayward, Sczerbiak, Fournier, Kennard

Hope they didn't pull that with Flagg. When I see him I think Sheed with a motor.

[scott]

Hope they didn't pull that with Flagg. When I see him I think Sheed with a motor.

Flagg: Pippen, Shawn Marion, Tatum, Batum, AK47
Kasparas: Dinwiddie, Delon Wright, Bogdan, Podziemski
Demin: Livingston, Kyle Anderson, Bolmaro, Avdija, Giddey

Looks like only Kon got the white boy treatment in this one

[baseline bum]

Flagg: Pippen, Shawn Marion, Tatum, Batum, AK47
Kasparas: Dinwiddie, Delon Wright, Bogdan, Podziemski
Demin: Livingston, Kyle Anderson, Bolmaro, Avdija, Giddey

Looks like only Kon got the white boy treatment in this one

I don't get all the Pippen comparisons I see for Flagg. Feels like they're just lazy ways to say they don't think Flagg can be a #1 on a title team. Because I don't think Pippen at all watching Flagg. Looks like a straight PF not someone to play point and put on the other team's best guard. Marion and Batum I can def see though very rich man versions of those two.

[scott]

I don't get all the Pippen comparisons I see for Flagg. Feels like they're just lazy ways to say they don't think Flagg can be a #1 on a title team. Because I don't think Pippen at all watching Flagg. Looks like a straight PF not someone to play point and put on the other team's best guard. Marion and Batum I can def see though very rich man versions of those two.

It just brought me a minor bout of temporary depression to realize that I don't really remember Pippen's game all that well at this point :lol

[baseline bum]

It just brought me a minor bout of temporary depression to realize that I don't really remember Pippen's game all that well at this point :lol

My biggest memory of Scottie is him bodying up Magic the whole 94 feet in the 91 Finals after the Bulls pulled Jordan off him when the Lakers took Game 1. Plus Laker fans rushing the floor for Michael and Scottie when they won Game 5 in The Forum. Only time I have ever seen that when the road team wins a title. :lol

[rascal]

Charles Barkley checkmate

Barkley is 6'6.

[BackHome]

And 5’5 Wide

[ginobilized]

I see a bit of Bobby Jones, I'm an old-timer, in Flagg. The kind of player that can fit in anywhere and makes every one better.
Flagg has more offensive upside, but, they have a similar size and shooting touch.

[SpursBills]

Barkley was most likely 6'4.5-6'5.5 without shoes.

Modern day answer would probably be Jalen Williams who measured 6'4.5" without shoes at the draft combine.

[spurraider21]

Barkley was most likely 6'4.5-6'5.5 without shoes.

Modern day answer would probably be Jalen Williams who measured 6'4.5" without shoes at the draft combine.
williams is also very athletic with a 7'2 wingspan. using him as the basis to say Kon can play the 3 is very dubious. j-dub is very much an exception

[mystargtr34]

williams is also very athletic with a 7'2 wingspan. using him as the basis to say Kon can play the 3 is very dubious. j-dub is very much an exception

Yeah standing reach, wingspan, weights are just as important as height when assessing positional size. Jalen Williams also has a 8’9.5 standing reach which is massive for a 6’4.5 height. Most 6’7-6’8 guys have standing reaches around that mark. He’s easily a 3 in todays NBA.

[SpursBills]

my problem is CMB doesnt shoot from outside, and his game is very post oriented, like you have to run stuff through him for him to really be effective. i think in that respect, the Randle comparisons are apt (of course, he can change/improve his game), and Randle has always been an awkward fit. to his credit, CMB projects to be a much much better defender than Randle

I don't know man, if you told me I could get a lower usage non basketball-terrorist version of Randle on offense who picks his spots and gives you borderline all-defense level defense on the other end, that's a hell of a pick in the mid-lottery. Actually, that's literally Millsap.

And I agree with you, I don't think you can rely on him for high volume post scoring at his size, it's not a style that works in the modern NBA especially at his size. What I do buy is his drive and face-up game with his handle and size. I don't actually view him as Sochan replacement, but more like a bigger, stronger, more athletic high IQ version of Keldon. Interestingly, aside from his low 3P volume, the rest of his touch indicators (FT shooting, midrange %, touch around the rim) are either comparable to or exceed that of Keldon, and he's about 2 months older than Keldon during their respective draft seasons.

Ultimately, I'm thinking of the long game with CMB. Any 19-20 year old we draft this year probably won't be a high leverage playoff starter until at least age 23-24 when Fox will be over 30 and his speed starts declining. If I can get an advantage creator from the PF slot who can also be a perfect defensive complement to Wemby by guarding the perimeter and the paint, that allows me to draft more limited 3 and D guards to start next to Castle - these are types you can usually find in the mid to late first, which is where I anticipate the Spurs will draft going into the latter half of the decade. It doesn't solve the biggest immediate problem which is shooting, but it solves a lot of other future problems that might be just as important.

[SpursBills]

williams is also very athletic with a 7'2 wingspan. using him as the basis to say Kon can play the 3 is very dubious. j-dub is very much an exception

Oh my bad, didn't read the entire thread, didn't realize we were using this as the basis for arguing for Kon haha. Yeah agreed, JDub is nothing like Kon in spite of their heights.

[SpursBills]

For a shooting-starved team, I'm wondering if it's worth taking a second round flyer on a defensively limited flamethrower / shooting specialist.

Looking at Walter Clayton Jr for this year - short (6'2-6'3) and old (senior, 22), so most likely will go in the second round

Career 88% FT, 39% from 3
This year - jacking up 14 3P/100, shooting 39% on 3s when almost half of them are self-created, 42% from midrange on entirely self-created looks, 86% from the line.
Mediocre (not terrible) career STL%, and 6 dunks for the year is not bad for a 6'3" shooting prospect, and >1.5 AST:TO for all 4 years in college indicates his feel is at least decent

I'm looking at what Malik Beasley has done for Detroit this year in spite of his horrific defense just by jacking up and making a high volume of 3s. Taking Walter Clayton Jr 2nd round is in my opinion a much better bet than taking Jordan Hawkins lottery or Malik Beasley mid-first.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=walter-clayton-jr--payton-pritchard

[BackHome]

Pop would love his Forbes replacement

[mystargtr34]

Pop would love his Forbes replacement

Bryce Cotton and Jack McClinton walked so Patty Mills, Bryn Forbes and Gary Neal could run.

[spurraider21]

Pop would love his Forbes replacement
Knueppel

[objective]

After how disappointing Vassell has been as an NBA defender and how unremarkable in event creation and otherwise Sochan has been, I don't want any college player whose number one asset is defense, because I don't buy it translating as much as it needs to. Both Vassell and Sochan were hyped as the best defenders in their class, and the Spurs defense has been garbage and wasn't even that great with Wemby.

No thanks on CMB for me.

[rankingtear]

After how disappointing Vassell has been as an NBA defender and how unremarkable in event creation and otherwise Sochan has been, I don't want any college player whose number one asset is defense, because I don't buy it translating as much as it needs to. Both Vassell and Sochan were hyped as the best defenders in their class, and the Spurs defense has been garbage and wasn't even that great with Wemby.

No thanks on CMB for me.

They are top 5 with both Sochan and Wemby starting per cleaning the glass.

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs defense being ass is mostly due to coaching

[rjv]

Hope they didn't pull that with Flagg. When I see him I think Sheed with a motor.

i comp flagg to banchero.

[Ice009]

My biggest memory of Scottie is him bodying up Magic the whole 94 feet in the 91 Finals after the Bulls pulled Jordan off him when the Lakers took Game 1. Plus Laker fans rushing the floor for Michael and Scottie when they won Game 5 in The Forum. Only time I have ever seen that when the road team wins a title. :lol

Are you serious? That's the ultimate sign of a bandwagon fan/s.

[baseline bum]

Are you serious? That's the ultimate sign of a bandwagon fan/s.

Check the 9:40 mark


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xx3gGMY8cE

[keithington1]

Big board so far. What player comparison would fit the Spurs playstyle/ roster the most? Who would you take at 9 and 16 if the draft went this way?
Cooper Flagg - more athletic Kawhi
Dylan Harper - Harden / Cunningham
Ace Bailey - Ingram / Melo
Derik Queen - nimble ZBo
Kon Kneuppel - 6’6” Reaves / Bane
Collin Murray-Boyles - Sochan / Randle
Asa Newell - jump shooting Lively
Egor Demin - tall Giddey / Halliburton
VJ Edgecombe - smaller Kuminga
Carter Bryant - Patrick Williams
Tre Johnson - tall Poole / Seth Curry
Khaman Maluach - Capela / Jalen Smith
Thomas Sorber - Okongwu
Noa Essengue - Camara
Jeremiah Fears - Maxey starter kit
Kasparas Jakucionis - Podz
Jase Richardson - athletic Schroeder
Rasheer Fleming - PF Finney Smith
Ben Saraf - tall McConnell
Hugo Gonzalez - big Braun
Liam McNeeley - Kispert
Isaiah Evans - big Jordan Hawkins
Boogie Fland - Nick Smith
Nolan Traore - Trey young no 3pter
Danny Wolf - Olynyk

[Manu&Duncan fan]

I don't get the hype for Kon. We can sign guys like him with minimum deals. Isn't Lonnie Walker better than him?

I would draft Carter Bryant and Fleming. One former can play 2 to 4; the later can play 4 and 5. Both can shoot the 3.

[keithington1]

I don't get the hype for Kon. We can sign guys like him with minimum deals. Isn't Lonnie Walker better than him?

I would draft Carter Bryant and Fleming. One former can play 2 to 4; the later can play 4 and 5. Both can shoot the 3.Kon is a knockdown shooter with potential to be a secondary creator. If he’s open it’s going in.

[onechance87]

I don't get the hype for Kon. We can sign guys like him with minimum deals. Isn't Lonnie Walker better than him?

I would draft Carter Bryant and Fleming. One former can play 2 to 4; the later can play 4 and 5. Both can shoot the 3.

kon is a guy who can create plays and knock down 3s....Thats what we need.Not like devin who needs to keep shooting fadeaways and
fck up our momentum with his dumb basketball plays.

[onechance87]

I think we are for sure gonna have to go after a big.We dont know whats gonna happen with wemby and his health.

[Vienna]

Richie Saunders is an interesting case. maybe worth a closer look for the 2nd round pick. yes, he is older (did a two year mormon mission), not sure he will enter the draft anyway.
but just for the sake of discussion: if he wasn't 23, but just 21, wouldn't he be a sure fire 2nd round pick? maybe a 1st round bubble? but even at 23, Derrick White was 23 when the Spurs drafted him.

[exstatic]

Richie Saunders is an interesting case. maybe worth a closer look for the 2nd round pick. yes, he is older (did a two year mormon mission), not sure he will enter the draft anyway.
but just for the sake of discussion: if he wasn't 23, but just 21, wouldn't he be a sure fire 2nd round pick? maybe a 1st round bubble? but even at 23, Derrick White was 23 when the Spurs drafted him.

The exception doesn’t prove a rule. If you’re not sure he’ll enter the draft, he’s likely on no one’s radar at 23. I’d offer him a training camp deal, and call it a day.

[spurraider21]

I think we are for sure gonna have to go after a big.We dont know whats gonna happen with wemby and his health.
if wemby is gone its not just about finding *generic replacement big* the franchise needs to reboot again. you're not doing that by drafting a Sorber type tbh (i like sorber)

[scott]

Big board so far. What player comparison would fit the Spurs playstyle/ roster the most? Who would you take at 9 and 16 if the draft went this way?
Cooper Flagg - more athletic Kawhi
Dylan Harper - Harden / Cunningham
Ace Bailey - Ingram / Melo
Derik Queen - nimble ZBo
Kon Kneuppel - 6’6” Reaves / Bane
Collin Murray-Boyles - Sochan / Randle
Asa Newell - jump shooting Lively
Egor Demin - tall Giddey / Halliburton
VJ Edgecombe - smaller Kuminga
Carter Bryant - Patrick Williams
Tre Johnson - tall Poole / Seth Curry
Khaman Maluach - Capela / Jalen Smith
Thomas Sorber - Okongwu
Noa Essengue - Camara
Jeremiah Fears - Maxey starter kit
Kasparas Jakucionis - Podz
Jase Richardson - athletic Schroeder
Rasheer Fleming - PF Finney Smith
Ben Saraf - tall McConnell
Hugo Gonzalez - big Braun
Liam McNeeley - Kispert
Isaiah Evans - big Jordan Hawkins
Boogie Fland - Nick Smith
Nolan Traore - Trey young no 3pter
Hugo Gonzalez - big Braun
Danny Wolf - Olynyk

I'd be ecstatic if the board fell this way (which I don't think it will). I'm taking Edgecombe and Fleming and handing out an endless supply of high fives.

[scott]

if wemby is gone its not just about finding *generic replacement big* the franchise needs to reboot again. you're not doing that by drafting a Sorber type tbh (i like sorber)

The only exception to that, IMO, would be if you happen to land Flagg. In which case, I think taking "generic replacement big" makes sense because Fox/Castle/Flagg is still an impressive core to build around.

[spurraider21]

The only exception to that, IMO, would be if you happen to land Flagg. In which case, I think taking "generic replacement big" makes sense because Fox/Castle/Flagg is still an impressive core to build around.
sure but you'd take Flagg anyway. you're not thinking "hmm i need wemby insurance so let me consider taking Flagg here" :lol

i think you'd take Maluach as Wemby insurance, for instance, and then hoping Castle becomes a legit #1 to Fox, until you have the opportunity to draft another star tier player

[Manu&Duncan fan]

kon is a guy who can create plays and knock down 3s....Thats what we need.Not like devin who needs to keep shooting fadeaways and
fck up our momentum with his dumb basketball plays.

Kon is too small and slow to play 3 in the NBA.

We don't need secondary play makers. We have Wemby, Sochan, castle, plus Fox.

We need defense, rebounding, size and knock-down shooters.

[scott]

sure but you'd take Flagg anyway. you're not thinking "hmm i need wemby insurance so let me consider taking Flagg here" :lol

i think you'd take Maluach as Wemby insurance, for instance, and then hoping Castle becomes a legit #1 to Fox, until you have the opportunity to draft another star tier player

Yes of course you take Flagg regardless, but if we landed Flagg I think I'd actually be a lot more open to taking Sorber or Maluach with the ATL pick (if they are there). My rationale:

1) If Wemby is coming back (which I'm confident he will), it's still an obvious need for a backup big. I've just landed Flagg, so I'm feeling a lot better about my forwards and don't necessarily need to add another one. I now have a chance to add a nice backup piece
2) If Wemby isn't coming back, then I've got a prospect for future starting 5
3) If I don't land Flagg, I'm less inclined to take a backup C with that ATL pick because I've got to take swings at higher priority positions (forward) because I don't have that "sure thing" (Flagg) coming in.

[LeBowen]

We need defense, rebounding, size and knock-down shooters.

Exactly. No need to overcomplicate things.
Fox, Castle and Wemby will be enough playmaking in the starting lineup considering Castle's development.
Other two players need to be ~40% 3pt shooters who are able to take advantage of their shooting gravity and put it on the floor for straight line drives when the defenders get too aggressive and bite on pump fakes or changes in movement which enable cuts.

Odds of finding another nephew are really low, but we can certainly find another Danny or Bruce, I'd kill to have either one with Wemby/Castle/Fox.
Finding a PF similar to MPJ or Markkanen would be ideal. Until then, Barnes can be the stopgap.


If Wemby isn't coming back, then I've got a rope at the ready

Fixed that for you.

[CGD]

I don't get the hype for Kon. We can sign guys like him with minimum deals. Isn't Lonnie Walker better than him?

I would draft Carter Bryant and Fleming. One former can play 2 to 4; the later can play 4 and 5. Both can shoot the 3.

I vacillate on Kon. I get the accolades and we desperately need shooting, but does that need have to be filled in this draft? I guess it depends who else is out there in FA, which I haven't studied yet. In someways it might be preferable to sign a few gunners who know what there role are (and aren't), over a rookie who might have different expectations? On the other hand, i will always fall in love with the competitors/give a shit guys during the draft, which seems to capture who Kon is.

[spurraider21]

we're going to take Asa Newell and Noa Essengue and we're gonna like it

[John B]

we're going to take Asa Newell and Noa Essengue and we're gonna like it

I’m okay with that if they have a plan of getting a Myles Turner or Naz Reid. Wemby needs help against jumbo bigs.

[Russ]

we're going to take Asa Newell and Noa Essengue and we're gonna like it

You may be right (even in a way you didn't intend).

[spurraider21]

we've got Demin, Queen, Bryant, and the duke guys today as far as draft relevant players

[Mr. Body]

I still wonder if Nate Oats knew that Josh Primo exposed himself to people and hid it when the Spurs did due diligence.

[CGD]

Jesus, I knew Queen was bad on D but seeing this game now, boy he’s awful.

He doesn’t pass the eye test, if you will.

[ginobilized]

Yeah, Queen isn't even running back on D. That's a bad look.

[CGD]

we've got Demin, Queen, Bryant, and the duke guys today as far as draft relevant players

I’m adding Florida’s Alex Condon to your list.

[Knoxxx]

The fools downing Nipple don’t sound like they have seen him play. On offense he drives like Castle and shoots like Bird, we’d be lucky to get him. Demin with a decent game in the loss.

The beauty of this draft is players ranked around 5 have dropped to 15 or worse. There’s no consensus and it seems very fluid. To me that means the draft is FLAT and that is good thing for the Spurs. They can get a player or two we didn’t expect even if not lucky enough to land a top 4.