2025 NBA Draft

[CorrectCrusader]

Just wanted to get this started early.

This, as of 12/29/23 is the Cooper Flagg/Dylan Harper/Ace Bailey draft.


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[CorrectCrusader]

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[spursparker9]

So the Spurs gonna tank for next season as well

[baseline bum]

Way too early. Nick Smith was the previous Cooper Flagg in HS ball tbh.

[bluebellmaniac]

Looking for the 2030 draft prospects tbh. Those are supposed to be HoF caliber players from the git-go.

[rascal]

Way too early. Nick Smith was the previous Cooper Flagg in HS ball tbh.

Looks like he plays with intensity, not your typical white boy weak stuff.

[TekXX]

How many years in a row are we gonna tank...jesus.

[BackHome]

As many as it takes

[spursparker9]

Trust the process guys. Bret Brown can assured us now that he is with Spurs

[exstatic]

So the Spurs gonna tank for next season as well

We have Atlanta’s pick, unprotected. They can tank for us.

[mo7888]

We jave to hopevwe strike gold with the Atlanta pick. I don't see us tanking next year.

[NickiRasgo]

Edit: Wrong Thread

[Dejounte]

No way Cooper Flagg doesn’t become #1 next year

[exstatic]

No way Cooper Flagg doesn’t become #1 next year

No way Scoot Henderson isn’t #1 next year. No way Jabari Smith isn’t #1 next year.

I’ve heard it all before, and if he can’t shoot, he may well NOT be #1 in this class.

[stnick2261]

If we won #1, and we got LM… Ace Bailey would be a better fit.

[Vic Petro]

Nolan Traore awaits

[timvp]

Looking for the 2030 draft prospects tbh. Those are supposed to be HoF caliber players from the git-go.

Brian Wright unmasked :wow

[CorrectCrusader]

I love all three of Bailey Traore and Flagg. Flaggs #1 status purely relies on his shooting at Duke

[CorrectCrusader]

Not 2025 draft but Dybansta is currently playing


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAFoXHrmzIw

[rascal]

We jave to hopevwe strike gold with the Atlanta pick. I don't see us tanking next year.

Spurs better tank enough to get a top 10 pick. It's in their best long term interests to get two top picks in this draft.

[TekXX]

We're putting the same product on the court basically so yea we'll get a top 10 pick.

[BackHome]

If we won #1, and we got LM… Ace Bailey would be a better fit.

I am thinking Ace is going to slip from top 5 to 7 to 10 range.

[rascal]

I am thinking Ace is going to slip from top 5 to 7 to 10 range.

Why do you think that?

[CorrectCrusader]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7ZBRdiGjMg


Dybansta vs Boozer

[BackHome]

How many years in a row are we gonna tank...jesus.

Houston tanked like 4 years in which they received got the 2nd pick once, the 3rd pick twice, and just recently the 4th pick. So to answer your question as many as it takes to upgrade out team to legitimately be able to compete for a ring and not be a 500 team

[Knoxxx]

Too bad the Bulls pick is protected I just drew picks 1,2 and 4 on Tankathon with Bulls getting the 1.

[scott]

Hey Mods, can we merge this thread with:

This one: https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=303944

And this one: https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=303997

And this one too: https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=303501

And while I'm being a little bitch and making requests... can people stop making new fucking 2025 NBA Draft threads?

[JPB]

Houston tanked like 4 years in which they received got the 2nd pick once, the 3rd pick twice, and just recently the 4th pick. So to answer your question as many as it takes to upgrade out team to legitimately be able to compete for a ring and not be a 500 team

Not like we already have a generational talent on the team.

[spurraider21]

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[exstatic]

Isn’t Monoco the defending French A league champion?

[Limguogolo]

Isn’t Monoco the defending French A league champion?
Yes, but Traoré's team won. He is the only one to have a +/- negative. He played against two players from the French team (Okobo and Strazel) and against Euroleague legend Nick Calathes. He was bad at shooting and without much impact on the result, but there is what you don't see in stats: he is not afraid to take shots and he inspires great confidence in the organization of the game. Facing one of the five best European teams, it's a good learning experience for him.

Today there are still quite a few French prospects playing: Perrin, Penda, Mohamed Diawara.

[BackHome]

Thanks Lim for that information

[Bruno]

A quick overview of Spurs picks in this draft:

Spurs will have between 2 to 4 first round picks and 2 second round picks:
- Spurs first round pick
- Hawks first round pick
- Bulls top10 protected first round pick. If Bulls pick is in the top10, then it's a top8 in 2026, top8 in 2027 before turning into a 2028 second round pick.
- Hornets top14 protected first round pick. If Hornets pick is in the top14, then Spurs get Hornet's 2026 and 2027 second round picks.
- Spurs second round pick
- Bulls second round pick

Latest W/L betting odds to get an idea of what these picks will be.
1. Nets 18.5
2. Wizards 20.5
3. Blazers 22.5
4. Pistons 24.5
5. Bulls 27.5
6. Jazz 29.5
7. Hornets 29.5
8. Raptors 30.5
9. Hawks 35.5
10. Spurs 36.5
11. Clippers 39.5
12...30 +/- at 43.5 or higher.

If the season unfolds like that, Spurs will get picks #9, #10, #35 and #40. With the 9th an 10th worst record picks, Spurs will have a bout a 32% odd of having at least one of the two picks ending in the top4.
There is a path for Hornets pick to convey because the east is weak. They are projected right now to finish 11th but aren't that far from the 10th seed (Raptors) and 9th seed (Hawks). If Hornets finish 9th or 10th in the east and qualify for the playoffs through the play in, Spurs will get the #15 from them. It's quite unlikely but not something unthinkable.
It's debatable whether or not getting the Bulls pick this year would be a good thing for obvious reasons. The main argument for getting it is that Bulls might finish top8 in 2026 and 2027 and that the pick will turn into a second round pick. The main argument for not getting it is that Spurs will have no use of a third pick in the 11th to 15th range with both Spurs and Hawks picks projected to be in that range.


At that stage, I'm not sure there is a lot more to say:
- It too soon to talk about a lot of prospects while the college season hasn't started.
- It's unclear what Spurs need will be next summer. For example, Spurs need won't be the same if Castle is good or not and if he can play PG.
- It's hard to know what is exactly Spurs' rebuilding plan. The Castle pick was quite logical but trading away #8 and using #35 to stash a player was weird.

[Bruno]

Regarding Euro prospects:
In France, the best prospect is by far Nolan Traoré. He has great size and strength for a PG, plays well the P&R and is a good playmaker. His shooting is questionable and he needs to step up defensively.
In Germany, Ulm has two interesting prospects with Noa Essengue and Ben Saraf. Essengue is a SF/PF who is very young (born in December 2006) and has a great combination of size and mobility. He is still raw and his biggest weakness is his outside shoot. Saraf is a lefty PG/SG who was the best scorer at the U18 Eurobasket this summer. Form the little I've seen of him, I'm very intrigued.
In Spain, there are some good guards too: Hugo Gonzalez and Mario Saint-Supery.

There will have some other Euro prospects with, like almost every year, one or two coming from the former Yugoslavia. A noteworthy trend is that more and more European prospects are going to NCAA with the NIL money.

Aside of the draft, there is also Juan Nunez to keep an eye on. He has had a quiet summer with Spain NT and with Barcelona.

[exstatic]

A quick overview of Spurs picks in this draft:

Spurs will have between 2 to 4 first round picks and 2 second round picks:
- Spurs first round pick
- Hawks first round pick
- Bulls top10 protected first round pick. If Bulls pick is in the top10, then it's a top8 in 2026, top8 in 2027 before turning into a 2028 second round pick.
- Hornets top14 protected first round pick. If Hornets pick is in the top14, then Spurs get Hornet's 2026 and 2027 second round picks.
- Spurs second round pick
- Bulls second round pick

Latest W/L betting odds to get an idea of what these picks will be.
1. Nets 18.5
2. Wizards 20.5
3. Blazers 22.5
4. Pistons 24.5
5. Bulls 27.5
6. Jazz 29.5
7. Hornets 29.5
8. Raptors 30.5
9. Hawks 35.5
10. Spurs 36.5
11. Clippers 39.5
12...30 +/- at 43.5 or higher.

If the season unfolds like that, Spurs will get picks #9, #10, #35 and #40. With the 9th an 10th worst record picks, Spurs will have a bout a 32% odd of having at least one of the two picks ending in the top4.
There is a path for Hornets pick to convey because the east is weak. They are projected right now to finish 11th but aren't that far from the 10th seed (Raptors) and 9th seed (Hawks). If Hornets finish 9th or 10th in the east and qualify for the playoffs through the play in, Spurs will get the #15 from them. It's quite unlikely but not something unthinkable.
It's debatable whether or not getting the Bulls pick this year would be a good thing for obvious reasons. The main argument for getting it is that Bulls might finish top8 in 2026 and 2027 and that the pick will turn into a second round pick. The main argument for not getting it is that Spurs will have no use of a third pick in the 11th to 15th range with both Spurs and Hawks picks projected to be in that range.


At that stage, I'm not sure there is a lot more to say:
- It too soon to talk about a lot of prospects while the college season hasn't started.
- It's unclear what Spurs need will be next summer. For example, Spurs need won't be the same if Castle is good or not and if he can play PG.
- It's hard to know what is exactly Spurs' rebuilding plan. The Castle pick was quite logical but trading away #8 and using #35 to stash a player was weird.

it was a bad draft, so kicking #8 down the road for a #1 protected swap and an unprotected pick was a good move. Imagine if the Spurs had a #1 protected swap in 2004 and an unprotected pick in 2005 during the Duncan era. That’s the exact same time offset that the Minny pick and swap have to right now.

As for second rounders, at least in the near term, I don’t care. There’s almost no chance that they ever make the roster with all of the existing and future first round picks each getting four years. The Spurs almost never fail to run out that clock unless there is a serious personal issue. Even guys who don’t stay long term like Kyle Anderson and Lonnie Walker get those four years because first rounders may or may not become stars, but they’re always cheap labor.

[exstatic]

Too bad the Bulls pick is protected I just drew picks 1,2 and 4 on Tankathon with Bulls getting the 1.

It would actually be a disaster to hypothetically pick and keep those 3 FRPs. Can you imagine if they all hit, and you had to pay them all in the same year with Victor already being paid like $70M? You couldn’t do it. I’m not even convinced the Spurs will keep both picks next year if one or both jump into the top 4.

[Atl Spur]

Just keep pushing draft picks into the future unless a can’t miss project falls in your lap and stash a young promising prospect every year. We are sitting pretty, it’s only ( the big picture )just begun to take shape.

[Mr. Body]

I didn't realize the Spurs were as high as 36.5 on the betting lines. That seems high, but I have no idea.

We may see some teams pull the plug early and don't think Charlotte is a threat to make the playoffs. I think Chicago will be in a mostly tank mode and we won't see their pick thsi year, which is fine.

I'm fascinated to see how the ostensible top board changes. How it looks now vs. six months from now.

[R. DeMurre]

It'll be fun to watch over the next six or seven seasons the development between Nikola Topic and Nolan Traoré. They've had very similar trajectories in their young careers.

[Brazil]

I'm a Traore fan tbh... he is crafty, fast, good passer. His shot selection and efficiency are a work in progress but I like his potential. He looks like a good kid with a bright future

[Ice009]

Regarding Euro prospects:
In France, the best prospect is by far Nolan Traoré. He has great size and strength for a PG, plays well the P&R and is a good playmaker. His shooting is questionable and he needs to step up defensively.
In Germany, Ulm has two interesting prospects with Noa Essengue and Ben Saraf. Essengue is a SF/PF who is very young (born in December 2006) and has a great combination of size and mobility. He is still raw and his biggest weakness is his outside shoot. Saraf is a lefty PG/SG who was the best scorer at the U18 Eurobasket this summer. Form the little I've seen of him, I'm very intrigued.
In Spain, there are some good guards too: Hugo Gonzalez and Mario Saint-Supery.

There will have some other Euro prospects with, like almost every year, one or two coming from the former Yugoslavia. A noteworthy trend is that more and more European prospects are going to NCAA with the NIL money.

Aside of the draft, there is also Juan Nunez to keep an eye on. He has had a quiet summer with Spain NT and with Barcelona.

Thanks for the info, Bruno. Some good information there that makes it a bit easier to see what the Spurs potentially have.

Do you guys think it would be better if the Chicago pick doesn't convey this year? The Hornets pick, though, we'd definitely want to convey otherwise the Spurs miss out. Doesn't seem like the Hornets will finish high enough for the Spurs to be able to get it.

I'm confused about the age thing between if you're born in December or January (like Victor). Does school work the same for both of those months, or does one put you a year behind as far as school year/grade goes?

[Pauleta14]

I'm confused about the age thing between if you're born in December or January (like Victor). Does school work the same for both of those months, or does one put you a year behind as far as school year/grade goes?

It's just that despite being born the same year, supposedly same age category, they basically have a year difference. Being born at the end of the year kinda inflates ur value.

[CGD]

man, how did Rutgers land those two top prospects? Seems random as hell.

[exstatic]

man, how did Rutgers land those two top prospects? Seems random as hell.

I think one of them maybe had a brother that went there.

[Mr. Body]

I think one of them maybe had a brother that went there.

Dylan Harper's brother is Ron Harper, Jr., who played for Rutgers. Their father played in the NBA but I can't remember his name.

[Bruno]

I'm confused about the age thing between if you're born in December or January (like Victor). Does school work the same for both of those months, or does one put you a year behind as far as school year/grade goes?

Youth basketball in Europe isn't linked with school. Local basketball teams are linked with cities. Within a local team, there are different teams for different ages. Ages group are defined by the year players are born.
When a player start to be too good for his age group, he is often put with older players instead of letting him dominate players of his age. For example, in 2021, Wembanyama (born in 2004) played the U19 world cup (for players born in 2002 and later).

What matters here is however draft eligibility. The first year a player can enter in the draft is:
- For an international player, the year he will be/turn 19.
- For an American player, one year after leaving HS and he also must be/turn at least 19 in that year.

Stephon Castle was born on November 1st 2004. If he were an international player, he could have entered the 2023 draft but he wasn't allowed to do so because he was an American student of the 2023 class.

For the 2025 draft, players must be born before January 1st 2007. The two youngest players in the draft will be Essengue and Flagg who are born in December 2006.

[exstatic]

Dylan Harper's brother is Ron Harper, Jr., who played for Rutgers. Their father played in the NBA but I can't remember his name.

Ron. Cleveland and Chicago. Talented, smart, and had that dog in him.

[ismael-robert]

Ron. Cleveland and Chicago. Talented, smart, and had that dog in him.

Obviously if someone's a Jr it's same name, I'm sure he was being sarcastic ��

[jesterbobman]

A quick overview of Spurs picks in this draft:

Spurs will have between 2 to 4 first round picks and 2 second round picks:
- Spurs first round pick
- Hawks first round pick
- Bulls top10 protected first round pick. If Bulls pick is in the top10, then it's a top8 in 2026, top8 in 2027 before turning into a 2028 second round pick.
- Hornets top14 protected first round pick. If Hornets pick is in the top14, then Spurs get Hornet's 2026 and 2027 second round picks.
- Spurs second round pick
- Bulls second round pick

Latest W/L betting odds to get an idea of what these picks will be.
1. Nets 18.5
2. Wizards 20.5
3. Blazers 22.5
4. Pistons 24.5
5. Bulls 27.5
6. Jazz 29.5
7. Hornets 29.5
8. Raptors 30.5
9. Hawks 35.5
10. Spurs 36.5
11. Clippers 39.5
12...30 +/- at 43.5 or higher.

If the season unfolds like that, Spurs will get picks #9, #10, #35 and #40. With the 9th an 10th worst record picks, Spurs will have a bout a 32% odd of having at least one of the two picks ending in the top4.
There is a path for Hornets pick to convey because the east is weak. They are projected right now to finish 11th but aren't that far from the 10th seed (Raptors) and 9th seed (Hawks). If Hornets finish 9th or 10th in the east and qualify for the playoffs through the play in, Spurs will get the #15 from them. It's quite unlikely but not something unthinkable.
It's debatable whether or not getting the Bulls pick this year would be a good thing for obvious reasons. The main argument for getting it is that Bulls might finish top8 in 2026 and 2027 and that the pick will turn into a second round pick. The main argument for not getting it is that Spurs will have no use of a third pick in the 11th to 15th range with both Spurs and Hawks picks projected to be in that range.


At that stage, I'm not sure there is a lot more to say:
- It too soon to talk about a lot of prospects while the college season hasn't started.
- It's unclear what Spurs need will be next summer. For example, Spurs need won't be the same if Castle is good or not and if he can play PG.
- It's hard to know what is exactly Spurs' rebuilding plan. The Castle pick was quite logical but trading away #8 and using #35 to stash a player was weird.

Thanks Bruno!

I think if we got a third (or 4th, if Charlotte pick conveys) we'd look to do something like the Dillingham pick and trade and move assets into the future, unless they really love a combination like Tre Johnson, Liam McNeeley and Rocco in that range (or Trader / Harper etc if they move up plus others in the group at around 10). A lot of teams don't have picks in this draft, and could be in a situation where they are willing to give up surplus future value for a chance to have one last shot with ageing stars (Cough lakers cough...).

[Mr. Body]

Obviously if someone's a Jr it's same name, I'm sure he was being sarcastic ��

Yes, thank you.

[KingKev]

Ron. Cleveland and Chicago. Talented, smart, and had that dog in him.

haha coupe chips with the Lakers too bro

[exstatic]

haha coupe chips with the Lakers too bro

He was also part of the second CHI three peat.

[Vienna]

I think one of them maybe had a brother that went there.

last year Rutgers recruited Jamichaels Davis, who like Ace is from Chattanooga,TN and they are best friends. that built the connection to Ace.
(maybe this was the big plan, when they recruited Davis)
the connection of Harper and his older brother has been mentioned. their mother Maria (former Div I player and now highschool coach, she was the one to coach her sons) seems to play a big role in this, starting with the case that Rutgers was one of few programs to offer Ron Harper and they really courted him. Maria seems to have built a good connection to Steve Pikiell over that four years. Maria and young Dylan went to most games of his brother, he Dylan was already feeling like part of the team.
so both had their connections to rutgers and finally Ace and Dylan, who of course know each other for some time, started doing calls that they would agree to Rutgers, if the other one goes there as well.

[stnick2261]

Youth basketball in Europe isn't linked with school. Local basketball teams are linked with cities. Within a local team, there are different teams for different ages. Ages group are defined by the year players are born.
When a player start to be too good for his age group, he is often put with older players instead of letting him dominate players of his age. For example, in 2021, Wembanyama (born in 2004) played the U19 world cup (for players born in 2002 and later).

What matters here is however draft eligibility. The first year a player can enter in the draft is:
- For an international player, the year he will be/turn 19.
- For an American player, one year after leaving HS and he also must be/turn at least 19 in that year.

Stephon Castle was born on November 1st 2004. If he were an international player, he could have entered the 2023 draft but he wasn't allowed to do so because he was an American student of the 2023 class.

For the 2025 draft, players must be born before January 1st 2007. The two youngest players in the draft will be Essengue and Flagg who are born in December 2006.

I think it's amazing that the tentative top player in this draft (Flagg) decided to graduate a year early and will be playing college (starting) at the age of 17 and will most likely play his first NBA game still at 18. I wonder how often that has happened since they stopped taking American players out of high school?

[scott]

I'll be up close and personal watching prospects at the Maui Invitational. Besides McNeely at UConn and Powell at NC - are there any prospects to keep my eyes on at Auburn, Colorado, Iowa St, Memphis, Mich State, NC, UConn, or Dayton?

[scott]

LOL who likes to party?

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[baseline bum]

LOL who likes to party?

https://i.ibb.co/z2jr6Ln/Party.png

I'd trade them both for Cooper

[baseline bum]

Can't say I'd be disappointed with this outcome though which I got on my roll at tankathon

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[scott]

I'd trade them both for Cooper

I wouldn't, tbh (if I had to choose right now). Bailey and Harper fills two huge needs (PG and SF). We can upgrade PF in other ways. And I'm not yet convinced that The Great White Hope is the best player in this draft anyway.

[baseline bum]

I wouldn't, tbh (if I had to choose right now). Bailey and Harper fills two huge needs (PG and SF). We can upgrade PF in other ways. And I'm not yet convinced that The Great White Hope is the best player in this draft anyway.

I'd be absolutely floored if Flagg isn't the #1 pick. He'd have to tear an achilles or rape a couple of boy scouts. I don't give a shit about position when you have a talent like Flagg available, though the Spurs desperately need a PF anyways. It's ok, Brookyln wouldn't trade him for Bailey + Harper anyways.

[baseline bum]

Just the thought of how ridiculous a defense the Spurs would have with Wemby, Flagg, and Castle starting is nuts.

[scott]

I'd be absolutely floored if Flagg isn't the #1 pick. He'd have to tear an achilles or rape a couple of boy scouts. I don't give a shit about position when you have a talent like Flagg available, though the Spurs desperately need a PF anyways. It's ok, Brookyln wouldn't trade him for Bailey + Harper anyways.


Just the thought of how ridiculous a defense the Spurs would have with Wemby, Flagg, and Castle starting is nuts.

We'll see when he actually starts playing games. I don't want to overemphasize some workouts against Team USA, but if that turns out to be real, then maybe I agree. But right now "a talent like Flagg" is still very speculative.

And, he can't shoot, apparently.

[baseline bum]

We'll see when he actually starts playing games. I don't want to overemphasize some workouts against Team USA, but if that turns out to be real, then maybe I agree. But right now "a talent like Flagg" is still very speculative.

And, he can't shoot, apparently.

He can't shoot might have been the scouting report a couple of years ago, but don't think it is now.

[Bruno]

I think it's amazing that the tentative top player in this draft (Flagg) decided to graduate a year early and will be playing college (starting) at the age of 17 and will most likely play his first NBA game still at 18. I wonder how often that has happened since they stopped taking American players out of high school?

Emoni Bates was maybe the youngest player to reclassify. He is born on January 28 2004 and reclassify to the 2021 class. In fact he was so young that he wasn't draft eligible after his freshman college year and was forced to wait one more year.
A player like Anthony Edwards also reclassify and was drafted at a very young age.
But yeah, because Flagg is born only 10 days before the youngest a player can be drafted , he may become the youngest NBA player of these past 20 years.

[Bruno]

I'll be up close and personal watching prospects at the Maui Invitational. Besides McNeely at UConn and Powell at NC - are there any prospects to keep my eyes on at Auburn, Colorado, Iowa St, Memphis, Mich State, NC, UConn, or Dayton?

In a scenario where Castle and Sochan turn to be both good enough to be NBA starters, Spurs will desperately need to add some shooting to their team. A player with McNeely's profile would be what Spurs would need.

[CGD]

last year Rutgers recruited Jamichaels Davis, who like Ace is from Chattanooga,TN and they are best friends. that built the connection to Ace.
(maybe this was the big plan, when they recruited Davis)
the connection of Harper and his older brother has been mentioned. their mother Maria (former Div I player and now highschool coach, she was the one to coach her sons) seems to play a big role in this, starting with the case that Rutgers was one of few programs to offer Ron Harper and they really courted him. Maria seems to have built a good connection to Steve Pikiell over that four years. Maria and young Dylan went to most games of his brother, he Dylan was already feeling like part of the team.
so both had their connections to rutgers and finally Ace and Dylan, who of course know each other for some time, started doing calls that they would agree to Rutgers, if the other one goes there as well.

Interesting.

I now think this is all rather clever. Go to a meh program, get 2 studs and build a bunch of buzz, and rake in a shit ton of NIL $$ from a grateful fan base.

[Thomas82]

Ron. Cleveland and Chicago. Talented, smart, and had that dog in him.

He was also a Clipper and a Laker.

[Ice009]

Wasn't Ron Harper Sr. a high flyer/scorer with the Cavs and Clippers and then went to the Bulls and reinvented himself as a super stable role player. Can't remember if he had a major knee injury between.

I feel this guy doesn't get enough credit. He was very solid for the Bulls and I think may have been a great stabilizing player (playing defense, handling the ball as a big PG, a little bit of mid-range scoring) for the Lakers during their first Shaq/Kobe championship. I'm sure Phil Jackson brought him in for that purpose. 5 Championships going from a high scorer to a team player. He deserves more credit that he gets IMO. I hardly ever hear his name mentioned.

[R. DeMurre]

He was also part of the second CHI three peat.

I thought Harper really got unfairly ignored in that Last Dance documentary. The luxury of having him start as a 6'6" PG beside Jordan and Pippen gave them a huge back court, and I think is an overlooked part of their success.

[Thomas82]

Wasn't Ron Harper Sr. a high flyer/scorer with the Cavs and Clippers and then went to the Bulls and reinvented himself as a super stable role player. Can't remember if he had a major knee injury between.

I feel this guy doesn't get enough credit. He was very solid for the Bulls and I think may have been a great stabilizing player (playing defense, handling the ball as a big PG, a little bit of mid-range scoring) for the Lakers during their first Shaq/Kobe championship. I'm sure Phil Jackson brought him in for that purpose. 5 Championships going from a high scorer to a team player. He deserves more credit that he gets IMO. I hardly ever hear his name mentioned.

All of this is accurate.

[Limguogolo]

27pts for Nolan Traoré in the basketball champions league against a Greek team.

9/18 (4/10 at three), 5 assists, 2 steals, 0 to, +/-25.

18 shots attempted, he attempts as many shots as he has years. And he scores as many minutes as he spends on the floor. OK player.

[mudyez]

Will be weird to look at ATL (ok we know that from the TOR pick) and the Clippers (if somehow OKC gets a top pick, that could really cost us) so much.

While simulating at Tankathon, I really liked outcomes with 5 east teams on top. Even though getting a top4 for the Spurs would be great...it might not be great if it was...say, #1 LAC->OKC, #2 HOU, #3 UTA, #4 SA.

[DPG21920]

Man, we need some big time luck this season. Need ATL to just implode and a huge bounce back from Lavine and CHI making a run at 8th seed. Let’s dream big.

[scott]

I've completely written off the Chicago pick at this point (for this year)... but maybe view the Hornets as a potential dark horse for the play-in. I think we'll see another big step for Brandon Miller this year. Probably not enough for that pick to convey, but enough to make it interesting. I really wish they'd taken Clingan over Tiddy

[exstatic]

I've completely written off the Chicago pick at this point (for this year)... but maybe view the Hornets as a potential dark horse for the play-in. I think we'll see another big step for Brandon Miller this year. Probably not enough for that pick to convey, but enough to make it interesting. I really wish they'd taken Clingan over Tiddy

I think Clingan would have been a better pick as well, especially in light of Mark Williams only playing 62 out of a possible 164 games his first two years. He’s currently laid up with a foot tendon issue.

[CGD]

I've completely written off the Chicago pick at this point (for this year)... but maybe view the Hornets as a potential dark horse for the play-in. I think we'll see another big step for Brandon Miller this year. Probably not enough for that pick to convey, but enough to make it interesting. I really wish they'd taken Clingan over Tiddy

Chicago should absolutely tank (and they probably will in the end), but their FO can’t seem to get no out of their own way. Plus, they’ll have Livine trying to “prove’m wrong”, Giddy playing for a contract, White coming off a breakout year, and Vuc angling for his last big extension/deal.

Itll be hilarious when they make the play-in.

[baseline bum]

I've completely written off the Chicago pick at this point (for this year)... but maybe view the Hornets as a potential dark horse for the play-in. I think we'll see another big step for Brandon Miller this year. Probably not enough for that pick to convey, but enough to make it interesting. I really wish they'd taken Clingan over Tiddy

Though that pick definitely makes it look more like another tank year for them.

[Mr. Body]

I disagree on Charlotte. They're a terrible team pretty much all around. Their top star is an often hurt goofball who cannot play disciplined basketball if his life depended on it. I don't believe much in Brandon Miller. Their other good player is a wifebeater and the cupboard is straight up empty after that. They blew this draft by taking Salaun and if Mark Williams never plays much again then things are even worse.

[exstatic]

Though that pick definitely makes it look more like another tank year for them.

Any one who wants to tank this year needs to do it right out of the gate. Pivoting at the trade deadline might get you into the top 10 pre-lottery positions, or maybe not.

The pick is top 10 protected in 25, switching to top 8 for the next 2 drafts, so this is their best opportunity to protect it. I’d just as soon they keep it this year and convey it in 2026 when we only have one FRP.

[baseline bum]

Any one who wants to tank this year needs to do it right out of the gate. Pivoting at the trade deadline might get you into the top 10 pre-lottery positions, or maybe not.

The pick is top 10 protected in 25, switching to top 8 for the next 2 drafts, so this is their best opportunity to protect it. I’d just as soon they keep it this year and convey it in 2026 when we only have one FRP.

Was talking about Charlotte

[exstatic]

Was talking about Charlotte

Actually generally applicable to both, but Charlotte will have an easier time of it, since they seem drawn to out and out tanking, where Chicago has seemed reluctant to.

I think we have nearly a zero chance at the CHA pick. They’ve just made too many boneheaded moves over the last 3-4 years. They’ve have some talent, but even if they go all out, and they won’t, I don’t see a path to the playoffs.

[heyheymymy]

I feel like that CHI FRP is the one in play but you can kiss that CHA goodbye. Picking Tidjane was like the signal that Hornets would fall on their sword and tank in 2025 I think.

CHI will be the TOR of this season imho hugging the line on their protection all season while Spurs fans watch nervously and debate the merits of now vs. later. Great points already about Bulls historically not really tanking and certain players going for contracts and I believe Bulls will inexplicably perform better than expected and possibly even convey in 2025.

SA also needs UTH to be bottom 10 and for LAC to generally win a lot of games as well, to recap what's been mentioned here already. That ATL FRP is gonna be pure gold. Spurs may feel encouraged to play hard and win up if at mid season you can see that Hawks FRP sinking like a stone and it may persuade more aggressive win now moves by the FO, staff and players knowing ATL is in the back pocket and anything else is gravy.

[BackHome]

I think Vassells foot injury is going to be a big determinant in where we fall with our first pick. I also think it is going to impact his play as one of the things he needs to improve is taking it to the rim and raising his free throws. We really have no bench so if we have any major injuries on any starters it is going to show on the win/loose %

[exstatic]

I think Vassells foot injury is going to be a big determinant in where we fall with our first pick. I also think it is going to impact his play as one of the things he needs to improve is taking it to the rim and raising his free throws. We really have no bench so if we have any major injuries on any starters it is going to show on the win/loose %

Vassell is literally supposed to miss about a week of the regular season.

[ambchang]

Vaseline is literally supposed to miss about a week of the regular season.

The spurs are going in to the season, with no Vaseline.

[exstatic]

The spurs are going in to the season, with no Vaseline.

Fucking autocorrect.

[ismael-robert]

This first week happens to be against a bunch of WC contenders

[Frenchfred]

I feel like that CHI FRP is the one in play but you can kiss that CHA goodbye. Picking Tidjane was like the signal that Hornets would fall on their sword and tank in 2025 I think.

CHI will be the TOR of this season imho hugging the line on their protection all season while Spurs fans watch nervously and debate the merits of now vs. later. Great points already about Bulls historically not really tanking and certain players going for contracts and I believe Bulls will inexplicably perform better than expected and possibly even convey in 2025.

SA also needs UTH to be bottom 10 and for LAC to generally win a lot of games as well, to recap what's been mentioned here already. That ATL FRP is gonna be pure gold. Spurs may feel encouraged to play hard and win up if at mid season you can see that Hawks FRP sinking like a stone and it may persuade more aggressive win now moves by the FO, staff and players knowing ATL is in the back pocket and anything else is gravy.

I don't think that Charlotte is that bad if Ball can stay healthy.

[exstatic]

I don't think that Charlotte is that bad if Ball can stay healthy.

He can’t and they’ve shown an inordinate interest in tanking when it’s warranted, and it certainly is this year.

[scott]

Game Theory Podcast with Sam Vecenie dropped their Pre-Season 2025 Mock Draft (which is more of a big board than a mock at this point), for all us sickos out there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j98_cXp7dMs

Not a whole lot of surprises from what most big boards look like right now in the top 5, but some new names beyond that and there is some interesting analysis in the 2-hour long pod.

I like to post these for later reference since in about 6 months this will be laughable (they always are).

1. Flagg
2. Bailey
3. Harper
4. Edgecomb
5. Traore
6. Maluach
7. Ben Saraf
8. Drake Powell
9. Kasparas Jakucionis
10. McNeeley
11.Kon Knueppel
12. Demin
13. Newell
14. Hugo
15. Collin-Murray-Boyles
16. Dink Pate
17. Donnie Freeman
18. KJ Evans
19. Jalil Bethea
20. Tre Johnson
21. Alex Karaban
22. Hansen Yang
23. Rocco Zikarsky
24. Hunter Sallis
25. Alex Toohey
26. Saint Thomas (leader in the clubhouse for best name this year)
27. Motiejus Krivas
28. Rasheer Fleming
29. Ian Jackson
30. Noa Essengue

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTbmDAx9z34

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfPKB8F4fyE

[cutewizard]

The Spurs must draft this being..................

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g51H8bGxdLU

[stnick2261]

Perfect draft for me would be: any of the top 5 from ATL's pick... McNeeley with our pick... and Egor Demin with either CHI or CHA's pick (hopefully).

[stnick2261]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urgv8MFlf7w

[Mr. Body]

I believe Vecenie is calling this an average draft at this point, saying it's about 7 deep and then not great.

Obviously can change. We haven't seen games and play yet.

[exstatic]

I believe Vecenie is calling this an average draft at this point, saying it's about 7 deep and then not great.

Obviously can change. We haven't seen games and play yet.

He’s literally the only one.

[Mr. Body]

He’s literally the only one.

Yeah, everyone else is spitting the same tired hype.

I'm not saying up or down, but it's clear this draft is overhyped at the moment. Even Givony is saying the good player in Duke scrimmages isn't any of the super hyped ones.

[LeBowen]

Everyone would obviously like to draft another all-star in 2025 draft, but since Castle looks like the real deal, I'd be happy with a 6'8-6'10 shooter who isn't a negative on defense.

We'll probably be able to trade up to top5, even top3 if there's a player that PATFO sees as a must get, just find the right wing and get him.

[exstatic]

Yeah, everyone else is spitting the same tired hype.

I'm not saying up or down, but it's clear this draft is overhyped at the moment. Even Givony is saying the good player in Duke scrimmages isn't any of the super hyped ones.

Scrimmages really don’t mean much. That’s like caring that Kai Jones dunked on Victor in summer league.

[stnick2261]

Everyone would obviously like to draft another all-star in 2025 draft, but since Castle looks like the real deal, I'd be happy with a 6'8-6'10 shooter who isn't a negative on defense.

We'll probably be able to trade up to top5, even top3 if there's a player that PATFO sees as a must get, just find the right wing and get him.

Liam McNeeley. 6'8" prototypical 3&D. He's going to UCONN this year so we'll see how smart he is there. He's expected to be in the 9-10 draft area.

Trading into a top 5 might be too expensive for this draft, so I'm hoping for ATL to crash hard this year.

[Dejounte]

Noa Essengue is the pick next year.

[LeBowen]

Liam McNeeley. 6'8" prototypical 3&D. He's going to UCONN this year so we'll see how smart he is there. He's expected to be in the 9-10 draft area.

Trading into a top 5 might be too expensive for this draft, so I'm hoping for ATL to crash hard this year.

Current, way too early, mock on tankathon.
I think all of us would take it.

https://i.imgur.com/mCcyJUw.png

[Mr. Body]

I had the Portland game on last night. Scoot... doesn't look good. He struggles to get separation, makes bad decisions, his handles aren't good. Two years ago at this time he was considered by a significant heap of people to be a generational talent who would have gone number one in any other draft. There were those who thought he could get picked before Wembanyama. Again, in the autumn of that year.

During the draft, many were still super high on him, although others pointed out the issues: he's not actually that explosive, he's a very bad finisher at the rim, isn't a great shooter.

This year, he seemed to be baked during his media presser and it's not clear how hard he worked on his game. He looks rough right now.

[CorrectCrusader]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9hTFnorUy8

[scott]

Heard a few draft people say the Top 5 is very strong. 8-20 is kind of a rough area, 21-30 they like the value.

Will be fun to see how opinions evolve.

[BackHome]

This is a very strong draft if you need a guard.

[BackHome]

Noa Essengue is the pick next year.

He is one guy I will be watching in this draft as he has a lot of potential but one thing he is definitely going to have to improve his 3 point shooting. Do you see his position at SF or do you think he will have to bulk up and play PF?

[Mr. Body]

Needlessly putting my flag down, the non-Flagg players who most intrigue me right now are:

Traore
Edgecombe
McNeeley
Demin

It would be nice to pull a guard and a wing. Knowing this team, they'll punt one of the two. :lol

[Dejounte]

He is one guy I will be watching in this draft as he has a lot of potential but one thing he is definitely going to have to improve his 3 point shooting. Do you see his position at SF or do you think he will have to bulk up and play PF?

IMO, Vassell has the SG spot locked down and Castle will probably lock the PG down. We need someone other than Sochan on either of the Forward spot pipelines. I think Noa will overtake Barnes if he’s drafted.

[exstatic]

Needlessly putting my flag down, the non-Flagg players who most intrigue me right now are:

Traore
Edgecombe
McNeeley
Demin

It would be nice to pull a guard and a wing. Knowing this team, they'll punt one of the two. :lol

If Chicago surprises this year, and one absolute crap team will make the 8 team EC playoff field, they’ll very likely punt that pick. As for ours and ATLs, depending on where they shake out, they may combine to move up, or punt the lower pick.

[BackHome]

This is going to be a really strong class for International players- Some players I think will be on Spurs radar;

VJ - PG/SG
Hugo - SF
Demin - PG/SG
Noa - SF/PF
Kasparas - PG/SG
Ivisic - C

[mystargtr34]

If you go by team need the Spurs priority should be a 4, followed by a 3.

Looking forward 2 years when the Spurs would ideally be starting to win playoff series, the only 3 blue chip prospects who have real positive value are Wemby, Castle and Vassell. Everyone else on the roster is league average or worse, even Sochan, who I still really like.

Wemby
PF
SF
Vassell
Castle

Sochan is either going to be a starting 3 if he can get his 3 point shot to 30% on 3+ attempts, otherwise he will be a backup hustle forward. He's too small and a bit soft and has too many holes in his game to be a starting 4 on a team looking to win playoff series. That's not a knock just the truth.

In terms of 2025 draft, Flagg and Ace Bailey are the obvious best case but unlikely without some serious lottery luck.

Next batch of big forwards are these guys.

Carter Bryant (14 in ESPN 100).
Noa Essengue (18)
Derrion Reid (19)
Michael Ruzic (20)

Pretty slim pickings outside of Flagg and Bailey. Also, VJ Edgecombe is my dark horse for No. 1 pick.

[exstatic]

This is going to be a really strong class for International players- Some players I think will be on Spurs radar;

VJ - PG/SG
Hugo - SF
Demin - PG/SG
Noa - SF/PF
Kasparas - PG/SG
Ivisic - C

You forgot one of them…

[Ignazzz]

Yang Rocco Ruzic Almansa and main target Nolan

[CorrectCrusader]

Bailey is my dream pick of this draft. He just has it

[BackHome]

You forgot one of them…

I don’t want to Jinx it. Lol

[LeBowen]

Bailey is my dream pick of this draft. He just has it

#DisgraceForAce

[KingKev]

#TakeItInThePooperForCooper

[CGD]

#TakeItInThePooperForCooper

How long have you been sitting on that one, lol

[KingKev]

How long have you been sitting on that one, lol

If ATL shits the bed we can get a shot at Ace or Coop and no Spurs fans will have to “sit on it” but for a shot at both I’m sure god would forgive.

[heyheymymy]

I lol'd

[Mitch Cumsteen]

I saw enough of Edgecomb in the Olympics to be sold on him. He looks electric.

[CGD]

I saw enough of Edgecomb in the Olympics to be sold on him. He looks electric.

Edge for Edgecomb?

[stnick2261]

Ace Bailey is starting to scare me a bit. In his highlight videos, it's all crazy dunks. My main concern is I don't know much about his personality and whether he'd be a team-first player. But you really can't deny his talent. I'd choose Flagg and Traore over him right now and I haven't really seen the others in the top 5 play yet to have an opinion.

[exstatic]

Ace Bailey is starting to scare me a bit. In his highlight videos, it's all crazy dunks. My main concern is I don't know much about his personality and whether he'd be a team-first player. But you really can't deny his talent. I'd choose Flagg and Traore over him right now and I haven't really seen the others in the top 5 play yet to have an opinion.

Let’s wait and see what ANY of them do with better competition. He won’t be able to physically overwhelm opponents like he could in HS, so how does he adapt? He and Dylan Harper will also be able to share the load at Rutgers.

[BackHome]

I could be wrong but I think Ace is going to fall a little bit my main issue with him is he is a bit of a chucker there not a shot he won’t take. Will see how he adapts to College ball but that is with all these players so College ball is going to be really fun to watch lots of Spurs prospects on display

[Mr. Body]

The negative parts of Bailey's evaluations mention that his decision making on shots is suspect and perhaps decision making in general. Also not a three-point shooter at this time. I've heard Brandon Ingram mentioned as a comp.

[CorrectCrusader]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6sZRLxLwaw

[Mr. Body]

Kon Knueppel, for all your above-ground pool and patio needs.

[CorrectCrusader]

Kon Knueppel, for all your above-ground pool and patio needs.

Funny, but he is a real talent. 6'7 and projected 23rd currently.

[BackHome]

Some mocks have him going to us a lot higher though I like his offense his feet move like they stuck in concrete on the defensive side. He kind of reminds me of a shorter Matt Bonner.

[heyheymymy]

Michael Ruzic 6'10 with a nice shooting touch.

Reminds me of Bertans but moves well for the size and sets strong picks plus that jumper is wet. Ruzic and McNeeley would be a sweet draft for now in very early initial impressions.

[exstatic]

Michael Ruzic 6'10 with a nice shooting touch.

Reminds me of Bertans but moves well for the size and sets strong picks plus that jumper is wet. Ruzic and McNeeley would be a sweet draft for now in very early initial impressions.

Interesting,but I’m not sure you can trust the 3 ball since it’s with low attempts, and his FTs are 68%. Definitely someone to keep an eye on.

[Knoxxx]

I just drew the 1 pick, 2 pick, and 10 pick on tankathon. Flagg, Bailey, Demin.

[exstatic]

I just drew the 1 pick, 2 pick, and 10 pick on tankathon. Flagg, Bailey, Demin.

How did you get #10. That won’t conveyfor CHA or CHI.

[heyheymymy]

Interesting,but I’m not sure you can trust the 3 ball since it’s with low attempts, and his FTs are 68%. Definitely someone to keep an eye on.

Agreed. Good points to watch for. I also think his shot is kinda wonky and slow mechanics but we will see. Someone I think Spurs could mould imho.

Really just want to get a shooting PF (no more shooting projects) and view that as the main hole in the roster currently barring Sochan development. Filtering for 6'8-6'11 PFs that shoot is where Ruzic rises up to me as a solution since the category is a little shallow and Cooper isn't known for shooting so far. Not saying there aren't others but that's where I noticed him. Oh well maybe Sochan and or Mamu will exceed expectations and change the needs, it is still very early.

[BackHome]

This is kinda a weak draft for those type of players but you might have a Sophomore come out of left field stranger things have happened. I think we got a decent shot in getting a really good SF and probably a International player who can play some PG and SG as needed. Also, I would not mind using a high second on a backup Center who knows maybe find someone worth developing

[exstatic]

This is kinda a weak draft for those type of players but you might have a Sophomore come out of left field stranger things have happened. I think we got a decent shot in getting a really good SF and probably a International player who can play some PG and SG as needed. Also, I would not mind using a high second on a backup Center who knows maybe find someone worth developing

My pet cat for this played at Kentucky last year and followed Cal to Arkansas, Zvonimir Ivisic. He can block shots and shoot the 3. If he weren’t going to be nearly 22 on draft day next year, he'd probably be higher than 33 on the TaT big board.

[scott]

Absolute best case scenario is that this team surprises with a big leap from Sochan, Castle shows major stuff early, Devin takes a step forward, and the team decides we’re better off moving our pick, or maybe even both picks, for a young-ish (25 and below) more proven prospect.

Not going to wager on it, but that’s what I’m actually hoping for.

[BackHome]

I was high on him last draft but been watching his twin brother who is not as fast as him but is not as skinny as him and he has good hands and is still agile enough curious on your thoughts - Tomislav Ivisic

[exstatic]

I was high on him last draft but been watching his twin brother who is not as fast as him but is not as skinny as him and he has good hands and is still agile enough curious on your thoughts - Tomislav Ivisic

Don’t know the twin, but Zvon played well in his limited time at UK. He was waiting on eligibility clearance for the first half of the season. I’d be curious to see what he could do in more minutes and a larger role at Arkansas.

[exstatic]

Absolute best case scenario is that this team surprises with a big leap from Sochan, Castle shows major stuff early, Devin takes a step forward, and the team decides we’re better off moving our pick, or maybe even both picks, for a young-ish (25 and below) more proven prospect.

Not going to wager on it, but that’s what I’m actually hoping for.

Wouldn’t be shocked if we moved one of the picks if neither jumps into the top 4. I’d still like to maybe take a shot with McNeeley, who could be in draft range.

[scott]

I’ll get a good look at McNeely at the Maui Invitational in a few weeks. He definitely fits the bill of what I think we could use.

[Knoxxx]

How did you get #10. That won’t conveyfor CHA or CHI.

Stop being a clown if it was 11 and Demin that also explains it.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/HrH1euDPP_k?feature=shared
As I was saying…

Reminds me a bit of Brandon Ingram.

[exstatic]

Stop being a clown if it was 11 and Demin that also explains it.

There’s literally no real world scenario where we can lottery draw three top 10 picks in next year’s draft. Saying that doesn’t make me a clown, it makes you one for saying that’s what you spun on the Wheel of Tankathon.


I just drew the 1 pick, 2 pick, and 10 pick on tankathon. Flagg, Bailey, Demin.

[Mr. Body]

I don't know if it's worth having an omnibus thread on the potential picks themselves instead of individual ones.

Risacher didn't play last night and I don't know why. He looks like he'll contribute, his professional background helping. Dyson Daniels for Dejounte may straight up make them better. Jalen Johnson's devel really saves them. They have some long wings. Still feels like they have a significant ceiling. Depend so much on Trae Young and even with him I don't think they're that great.

But one thing I didn't realize -- they own the LAL pick this year straightaway. If the Lakers tank this year -- with LeBron getting older, always a possibility -- that could really affect us the next two years.

Chicago has Lonzo Ball and LaVine back. My guess is they'll continue not tanking, although I don't know how good they'll actually be to get a playoff spot in the east. We'd only need them to fall past 10 if we wanted the pick.

[Knoxxx]

There’s literally no real world scenario where we can lottery draw three top 10 picks in next year’s draft. Saying that doesn’t make me a clown, it makes you one for saying that’s what you spun on the Wheel of Tankathon.

Correct but we could have 1, 2, and CHI at 11. Instead of pointing that out you brick wall it as impossible when that only involves Demin at 11 via CHI.

After I posted I realized that CHI was top 10 protected but that means we could get 11. I figured any knowledgeable poster would be aware of that minor difference and let it go.

Instead you became the clown in that instance by taking the bait left by my honest mistake and your uncontrollable urge to over correct other posters. And the funniest part may be I already knew you would be the one to do it.

[exstatic]

Correct but we could have 1, 2, and CHI at 11. Instead of pointing that out you brick wall it as impossible when that only involves Demin at 11 via CHI.

After I posted I realized that CHI was top 10 protected but that means we could get 11. I figured any knowledgeable poster would be aware of that minor difference and let it go.

Instead you became the clown in that instance by taking the bait left by my honest mistake and your uncontrollable urge to over correct other posters. And the funniest part may be I already knew you would be the one to do it.

Any reasonable poster would have said ‘Whoops, my bad, I meant 11’ instead of making it a hill to die on. I simply pointed it out, and you immediately called me a clown, which led to all of this.

[Knoxxx]

Any reasonable poster would have said ‘Whoops, my bad, I meant 11’ instead of making it a hill to die on. I simply pointed it out, and you immediately called me a clown, which led to all of this.That would have been exactly correct if I had not already realized with 99% confidence you would swoop right in to save the day and me the trouble. Thank you come again!

[Bruno]

A french player that is having a strong start of the season is Noah Penda. He is a smart versatile SF/PF with a decent mix of strength, size and mobility. He could be a good option with a 2nd round pick especially if he is fine with being stashed.

With Branham and Wesley options being picked and with Spurs having a lot of draft picks, using some of them on draft and stash players is quite likely.

[BackHome]

Interesting I like that his shooting percentages are getting better definitely one to watch - Not sure about second round as I had Salaun as one of potential second round picks early on only to see him fly up draft boards and picked in lottery. Lol

[objective]

Who will lose more games and have the better pick?

Atlanta (pick to the Spurs)

OR

Lakers (pick to the Hawks)

I think Atlanta will end up with a higher pick on draft night than SA from the Dejounte trade

[CGD]

Who will lose more games and have the better pick?

Atlanta (pick to the Spurs)

OR

Lakers (pick to the Hawks)

I think Atlanta will end up with a higher pick on draft night than SA from the Dejounte trade

Interesting question, hadn’t appreciated that the Hawks have the Lakers pick after the DJ trade.

Think ATL will have the worse record. It’ll be close— both feel like play-in teams — but being a play-in team in the West will probably require a better record.

[Mr. Body]

Who will lose more games and have the better pick?

Atlanta (pick to the Spurs)

OR

Lakers (pick to the Hawks)

I think Atlanta will end up with a higher pick on draft night than SA from the Dejounte trade

Great question.

Last year LAL went 47-35. This seems absurd. I'm not sure how they won so many games.

Last year ATL went the opposite, 36-46.

Will LeBron finally fall off? A lot of expectations of a big jump for Jalen Johnson. All-Star possibility?

[exstatic]

Who will lose more games and have the better pick?

Atlanta (pick to the Spurs)

OR

Lakers (pick to the Hawks)

I think Atlanta will end up with a higher pick on draft night than SA from the Dejounte trade

The wins and losses are only the starting point. The lottery actually decides the pick order.

[objective]

The wins and losses are only the starting point. The lottery actually decides the pick order.

Only if both teams are in the lottery.

[spurraider21]

hawks players have looked pretty good this offseason. dyson daniels looked good in the olympics and even shot the ball pretty well in the preseason. risacher's integration has looked seamless. and jalen johnson is one of those guys primed to make a big leap.

daniels is the POA defender that the hawks thought they were getting in murray. and risacher provides them with actual spacing as opposed to hunter. and we all like kobe bufkin last draft. he played pretty well in gleague last year. i think the hawks could be better than we'd like them to be. would be really annoying if they are the team to bump charlotte out of the play-in :lol

[Mr. Body]

Dyson Daniels seems a better fit from what I saw than Dejounte. With Risacher, they have some wings with upside and their Conference is terrible. It all depends on Trae, though, and he's not a winning player.

[objective]

Not only do I think Atlanta makes the playoffs this year, but I think they're on track to have a better record than SA in 25-26, which means the swap right evaporates

People have underestimated how well things went for Atlanta the last 12 months as far as setting them up for the future.

1. Even with a disaster year for them, they still won 14 games more than SA last year
2. Jalen Johnson became a legit stud, not surprising that he's another guy the Spurs had ranked below Primo
3. Dejounte signed an extension meaning the nightmare of him leaving in free agency for nothing was dodged
4. They then traded Dejounte for credible nba players (unlike the players SA got back for Dejounte) PLUS some nice draft picks that could realistically be better than what they lost trading for Dejounte
5. Lottery luck in getting Risacher instead of settling for someone at their given slot. Risacher might not be an all-star but he's likely to help the roster now and the long term


The 3 seasons prior to 23-24 with a healthy Young had ATL finish .500 or better. If reasonably healthy they're a lock for the play-in, and I wouldn't be stunned if they're top 6 like in 20-21 where they ended up picking Johnson at pick #20

[exstatic]

Only if both teams are in the lottery.

They will be.

[scott]

hawks players have looked pretty good this offseason. dyson daniels looked good in the olympics and even shot the ball pretty well in the preseason. risacher's integration has looked seamless. and jalen johnson is one of those guys primed to make a big leap.

daniels is the POA defender that the hawks thought they were getting in murray. and risacher provides them with actual spacing as opposed to hunter. and we all like kobe bufkin last draft. he played pretty well in gleague last year. i think the hawks could be better than we'd like them to be. would be really annoying if they are the team to bump charlotte out of the play-in :lol

Ugh, that would be the double Whammy. Insult to injury would be CHA beating CHI late in the season to push CHI to #10, put CHA in the Play-in only to lose to ATL… would be the perfect storm of fuckthisshit

[scott]

Not only do I think Atlanta makes the playoffs this year, but I think they're on track to have a better record than SA in 25-26, which means the swap right evaporates

People have underestimated how well things went for Atlanta the last 12 months as far as setting them up for the future.

1. Even with a disaster year for them, they still won 14 games more than SA last year
2. Jalen Johnson became a legit stud, not surprising that he's another guy the Spurs had ranked below Primo
3. Dejounte signed an extension meaning the nightmare of him leaving in free agency for nothing was dodged
4. They then traded Dejounte for credible nba players (unlike the players SA got back for Dejounte) PLUS some nice draft picks that could realistically be better than what they lost trading for Dejounte
5. Lottery luck in getting Risacher instead of settling for someone at their given slot. Risacher might not be an all-star but he's likely to help the roster now and the long term


The 3 seasons prior to 23-24 with a healthy Young had ATL finish .500 or better. If reasonably healthy they're a lock for the play-in, and I wouldn't be stunned if they're top 6 like in 20-21 where they ended up picking Johnson at pick #20

This is the very realistic possibility that Sniffers want to pretend is impossible. “Muh draft pix” has the potential to be tragically hilarious for the Sniff Crew, but I’m hoping we that ATL pick conveys high and we surprise and make the playoffs.

[exstatic]

Not only do I think Atlanta makes the playoffs this year, but I think they're on track to have a better record than SA in 25-26, which means the swap right evaporates

People have underestimated how well things went for Atlanta the last 12 months as far as setting them up for the future.

1. Even with a disaster year for them, they still won 14 games more than SA last year
2. Jalen Johnson became a legit stud, not surprising that he's another guy the Spurs had ranked below Primo
3. Dejounte signed an extension meaning the nightmare of him leaving in free agency for nothing was dodged
4. They then traded Dejounte for credible nba players (unlike the players SA got back for Dejounte) PLUS some nice draft picks that could realistically be better than what they lost trading for Dejounte
5. Lottery luck in getting Risacher instead of settling for someone at their given slot. Risacher might not be an all-star but he's likely to help the roster now and the long term


The 3 seasons prior to 23-24 with a healthy Young had ATL finish .500 or better. If reasonably healthy they're a lock for the play-in, and I wouldn't be stunned if they're top 6 like in 20-21 where they ended up picking Johnson at pick #20

1. The disaster is that their win % has steadily dropped over each of the last 4 years.

2. Nineteen teams passed on JJ, mainly because he switched high schools like socks, and quit Duke mid season. He and his family were giving off very weird vibes. He’s a nice young player, but nothing to get too excited about. He probably tops out at good starting level player. He got his big boost in minutes and touches, and he was a guy, nothing more. Nothing popped in his counting or advanced stats.

3. He signed one with SA, too.

4. ATL got Daniel’s, who’s a guy, and 3 garbage players. The Lakers pick will be mid unless LeBron misses most of the season. The other pick, the 2027, will be mid at BEST, and could easily be at the end of the round, since it a worst of two picks, New Orleans or Milwaukee, and its top 4 protected. There’s no way these picks even compare to our haul from ATL. Your paragraph 4 is pure copium.

5. Risacher is nice, but you kind of want more than that at #1.

[The Truth #6]

Yeah, interesting to see if ATL surprises. I'm curious since Jalen just got his bag he might regress. That may be the biggest factor for them. We'll see.

[spurraider21]

yeah nothing popped out for jalen johnson aside from his increased shooting, scoring, rebounding, playmaking, and defense

[exstatic]

yeah nothing popped out for jalen johnson aside from his increased shooting, scoring, rebounding, playmaking, and defense

No one is saying he didn’t improve. He absolutely did, but a massive increase in minutes and touches yielded 16/8.7/3.6. That doesn’t pop, to me. Where’s any future improvement going to come from? He’s already playing 34 minutes, a jump of 20 per game over season two.

He gets all the credit in the world for becoming starter level player when he looked like a bust, but IMO, he’s at his ceiling, or at least close.

[baseline bum]

Not only do I think Atlanta makes the playoffs this year, but I think they're on track to have a better record than SA in 25-26, which means the swap right evaporates

People have underestimated how well things went for Atlanta the last 12 months as far as setting them up for the future.

1. Even with a disaster year for them, they still won 14 games more than SA last year
2. Jalen Johnson became a legit stud, not surprising that he's another guy the Spurs had ranked below Primo
3. Dejounte signed an extension meaning the nightmare of him leaving in free agency for nothing was dodged
4. They then traded Dejounte for credible nba players (unlike the players SA got back for Dejounte) PLUS some nice draft picks that could realistically be better than what they lost trading for Dejounte
5. Lottery luck in getting Risacher instead of settling for someone at their given slot. Risacher might not be an all-star but he's likely to help the roster now and the long term


The 3 seasons prior to 23-24 with a healthy Young had ATL finish .500 or better. If reasonably healthy they're a lock for the play-in, and I wouldn't be stunned if they're top 6 like in 20-21 where they ended up picking Johnson at pick #20

Don't forget:

6. Scrub ass Alex Sarr refusing to work out for them and basically telling the Hawks not to draft him. He really looks like shit but they would have probably taken him as a Capella replacement if not for his act.

[baseline bum]

This is the very realistic possibility that Sniffers want to pretend is impossible. “Muh draft pix” has the potential to be tragically hilarious for the Sniff Crew, but I’m hoping we that ATL pick conveys high and we surprise and make the playoffs.

Yeah another reason I was on board with using the ATL draft capital on Markannen (just not the 25 pick since the Spurs need players now LOL 20131).

[scott]

Yeah another reason I was on board with using the ATL draft capital on Markannen (just not the 25 pick since the Spurs need players now LOL 20131).

By “now” you mean 20147, right? :lol

[scott]

No one is saying he didn’t improve. He absolutely did, but a massive increase in minutes and touches yielded 16/8.7/3.6. That doesn’t pop, to me. Where’s any future improvement going to come from? He’s already playing 34 minutes, a jump of 20 per game over season two.

He gets all the credit in the world for becoming starter level player when he looked like a bust, but IMO, he’s at his ceiling, or at least close.

It would be amazing to see a player increase his scoring average by nearly 11ppg without a increase in minutes or touches :lol

Note to the folks on this board who apparently still don’t understand how basketball works: you generally want to increase the playing time and usage of your most efficient players. I get how this concept is foreign to folks who only watch the Spurs, where Popovich likes to force feed Branmeh minutes down our throats.

[exstatic]

It would be amazing to see a player increase his scoring average by nearly 11ppg without a increase in minutes or touches :lol

Note to the folks on this board who apparently still don’t understand how basketball works: you generally want to increase the playing time and usage of your most efficient players. I get how this concept is foreign to folks who only watch the Spurs, where Popovich likes to force feed Branmeh minutes down our throats.
The minutes were posted to show that he’s probably topped out there, not that there was any mystery as to the source of his improvement. I’m also not sure he’s all that efficient. None of his advanced stats are anything but meh.

[Mal]

I watched Noa Essengue and Ben Saraf in person. Both are good to be drafted and stashed for couple years.
While Essengue athletism is special, I don't think he is going to be that good, and would not like him as a pick. There are plenty of long, athletic prospect and they would have to have something unmeasurable.

Saraf has this something in him, but I dont know if athletism would allow him to play in the NBA on point guard. Definately worth to use SRP on him.

[quentin_compson]

Barring major injuries or a nonsensical Trae Young trade, I don't see the Hawks not reaching at least a play-in spot.

[LeBowen]

Barring major injuries or a nonsensical Trae Young trade, I don't see the Hawks not reaching at least a play-in spot.

They'll reach it because there's no way for them to be worse than Nets, Wizards, Bulls, Raptors and Pistons.
There's also Charlotte that should be worse, but could surprise.
As things stand now, both Hawks and Hornets should be making the play-in, but not the playoffs because the gap between top8 and them is just too big.
Obviously assuming there are no injuries, which is also not that likely.

[quentin_compson]

They'll reach it because there's no way for them to be worse than Nets, Wizards, Bulls, Raptors and Pistons.
There's also Charlotte that should be worse, but could surprise.

Exactly. And they won't or at least shouldn't trade away Trae this season, because, as we all know, they don't have their own pick in the 2025 draft.

[Mr. Body]

They'll reach it because there's no way for them to be worse than Nets, Wizards, Bulls, Raptors and Pistons.
There's also Charlotte that should be worse, but could surprise.
As things stand now, both Hawks and Hornets should be making the play-in, but not the playoffs because the gap between top8 and them is just too big.
Obviously assuming there are no injuries, which is also not that likely.

Right. They were a play-in team this last year with their 36-46 record, where they got badly beat by a bad Chicago team.

I don't see them being worse than Detroit, Brooklyn, Washington, Charlotte, Portland and, if they actually tank, Utah. Toronto and I think Chicago should be better.

Way the NBA playoffs are structured seems to benefit the WC over time, as good WC teams don't make the playoffs and get into the lottery while bad EC don't make the lottery because they get into the playoffs.

[Mr. Body]

Exactly. And they won't or at least shouldn't trade away Trae this season, because, as we all know, they don't have their own pick in the 2025 draft.

That and I legit don't think anyone wants Trae Young.

[DPG21920]

We have to see how it comes together for ATL. They definitely didnt net add talent (losing Dejounte) but they may have gotten better overall and style of play wise. But they are on thin ice….

Last season Dejounte could bail them out if Trae missed time; any sort of long injury to Trae really puts them in a precarious situation

[Atl Spur]

That and I legit don't think anyone wants Trae Young.

LA does

[Mal]

LA does

Which LA ? Lakers ? Atlanta have their 2025 pick

[exstatic]

Barring major injuries or a nonsensical Trae Young trade, I don't see the Hawks not reaching at least a play-in spot.

Or, if he misses close to 30 games again, or is pissed about being shopped for two years.

ATL’s win % has been in a 4 year steady decline.

[objective]

Lakers only won 33 games 3 years ago during an injury filled season for Lebron (missed 26) and Davis (missed 42)

Now with an elderly Lebron with no time off in the summer and an older Davis?

I wouldn't be too confident of the Lakers record this season

[CGD]

Excited for the Tank-A-thon odds to start moving!

[quentin_compson]

Or, if he misses close to 30 games again, or is pissed about being shopped for two years.

ATL’s win % has been in a 4 year steady decline.

I'm not saying that the Hawks will be particularly good. But if things go close to "normal" this season, there simply will be enough worse teams in the East for the Hawks to reach the play-in almost by default.

[RC_Drunkford]

It would be amazing to see a player increase his scoring average by nearly 11ppg without a increase in minutes or touches :lol

Note to the folks on this board who apparently still don’t understand how basketball works: you generally want to increase the playing time and usage of your most efficient players. I get how this concept is foreign to folks who only watch the Spurs, where Popovich likes to force feed Branmeh minutes down our throats.

no he has bad character. He switched high schools, can‘t you see it. Let‘s give Jeremy a 200 million $ extension cause he speaks polish and shares his Nachos with Wemby

[KingKev]

no he has bad character. He switched high schools, can‘t you see it. Let‘s give Jeremy a 200 million $ extension cause he speaks polish and shares his Nachos with Wemby

haha leave gramps alone you bully!

[scott]

no he has bad character. He switched high schools, can‘t you see it. Let‘s give Jeremy a 200 million $ extension cause he speaks polish and shares his Nachos with Wemby

The best way to make up for missing out on Jalen Smith is to max out Sochan

[ambchang]

Nobody was really talking about Jalen Johnson until last year after he showed something, then all of a sudden the FO is trash because how could they not have seen it three years ago when spurstalk can see it now?

I mean, people are melting down over Edey after he put up 27 pts in a preseason game, talking about how the FO should have drafted him instead of punting the pick, then nobody said anything after he scored 7 points in a preseason as if they never blew a load over him three days ago.

:lol just incredible.

I wouldn’t mind Jalen Johnson over primo, because at this point I would prefer a pair of new underwear over him but cmon guys, don’t flex like you knew when it was obvious you didn’t.

[exstatic]

The best way to make up for missing out on Jalen Smith is to max out Sochan

Said no one ever.

[Mr. Body]

Nobody was really talking about Jalen Johnson until last year after he showed something, then all of a sudden the FO is trash because how could they not have seen it three years ago when spurstalk can see it now?

I mean, people are melting down over Edey after he put up 27 pts in a preseason game, talking about how the FO should have drafted him instead of punting the pick, then nobody said anything after he scored 7 points in a preseason as if they never blew a load over him three days ago.

:lol just incredible.

I wouldn’t mind Jalen Johnson over primo, because at this point I would prefer a pair of new underwear over him but cmon guys, don’t flex like you knew when it was obvious you didn’t.

Jalen Johnson straight up quit on his college basketball team, Duke, under Coach K. Just... left.

Most of his NBA outcomes were bust. Atlanta has got something out of him, good for them.

[BackHome]

Raptors come out the gates swinging for #1 draft pick

[scott]

Raptors come out the gates swinging for #1 draft pick

Jazz looking like they want a piece of that action too. The Great White Lineup of Lauri-Cooper-Kessler might be too enticing for them to pass up.

[Mr. Body]

Detroit actually looked pretty good. Not there yet nearly but they'll get some teams. Didn't watch the Raps but sounds like they were dreadful.

[BackHome]

It is way early but latest Tankathon mocks has us picking 8, 17, and 18.

[KingKev]

I went into this season optimistic we could push for the play-in AND secure a lottery pick via an ATL flame out but I now fully endorse #TakeItInThePooperForCooper #TakeItInTheFaceForAce

[exstatic]

I went into this season optimistic we could push for the play-in AND secure a lottery pick via an ATL flame out but I now fully endorse #TakeItInThePooperForCooper #TakeItInTheFaceForAce

After one game? Minus our starting 2 guard?

[KingKev]

After one game? Minus our starting 2 guard?

Yes. Kyrie and Luka are freakish talent; throw in a confident Klay and losing last night was inevitable but without proper talent and poor coaching Wemby will flounder like he did last night. Repeatedly. Also, Champ has basically replaced Dev’s skillset from my vantage point.

Lets focus on getting decent talent. Adding another young, top tier talent to a Wemby/Castle core is my preferred move.

[Frenchfred]

It is way early but latest Tankathon mocks has us picking 8, 17, and 18.

I did number 1 and 2 spot the other day :rollin. I cannot image the rest of the NBA if that happens

[CGD]

Planting an early flag for McNeeley in the likely scenario that the Spurs don’t land in the Top 3.

Smart 6’8” SF sniper who played with Flagg this past year and now headed to UConn, but does more than shoot too. Exactly what the Spurs are missing.

[exstatic]

Planting an early flag for McNeeley in the likely scenario that the Spurs don’t land in the Top 3.

Smart 6’8” SF sniper who played with Flagg this past year and now headed to UConn, but does more than shoot too. Exactly what the Spurs are missing.

You’re third in line behind Scott and myself. Scott is going to get to see him in person at the Maui invitational.

[LeBowen]

You’re third in line behind Scott and myself. Scott is going to get to see him in person at the Maui invitational.

Tankathon's mock before the season started had us getting McNeeley and Demin.
All I know is that I don't want any more guards unless we luck into a top3 pick and Harper/Traore/Edgecombe are available. If they live up to the hype, that is.

[Dejounte]

We need a defender who has the lateral speed to keep up with 3 pt shooters.

[Bruno]

With Sochan and Castle looking like keepers, outside shooting should be Spurs first priority in this draft: they can't really afford to add another poor to average shooter to the team.
I can only see Spurs adding a non-shooter if he is something special.

[scott]

You’re third in line behind Scott and myself. Scott is going to get to see him in person at the Maui invitational.

I'm not quite on the McNeeley bandwagon yet, I just have tickets to some games he is playing in, lol. But... I do hope he is awesome, and we land him, and you and CGD get the bragging rights - because that would be great for us.

[BackHome]

We need a defender who has the lateral speed to keep up with 3 pt shooters.

It is early but if your looking for that I would say then Check out Hugo Gonzales who I think will be a very good defender he gives you steals and he can you some nice help side blocks. As far as offense he has potential his FT% seems to be pretty decent percentage and form wise the issue is one his 3 ball is not good and he is playing for a deep Spanish team so don’t know how much burn he gets.

I don’t know if I would use my first pick on him but depending on how he plays and how much playing time he gets ya might be able to buy low and hope to find a diamond not bad if we got two picks

[scott]

No more shooting projects, please for the love of the flying spaghetti monster

[BackHome]

With Sochan and Castle looking like keepers, outside shooting should be Spurs first priority in this draft: they can't really afford to add another poor to average shooter to the team.
I can only see Spurs adding a non-shooter if he is something special.

Looking at shooters I think the following would be worth looking at:

Tre Johnson-SG - The kid can shoot he has a very smooth shot the only issue will be how he does on defense and how athletic he is?

Liam McNeeley- SF - Fits a position of need good shooter and above average defender

Kon Knueppel - SF/SG - Very good shooter the big question will be his defense

[CGD]

With Sochan and Castle looking like keepers, outside shooting should be Spurs first priority in this draft: they can't really afford to add another poor to average shooter to the team.
I can only see Spurs adding a non-shooter if he is something special.

That’s right. Obviously if we luck into Cooper, Harper or Ace that’s different, but we need the wing shooting desperately.

I’d also consider with the worse of the SAS/ATL picks:

- Vassell insurance at the SG given the recurring injuries (at worse at Branham upgrade)

- Backup C

[stnick2261]

Planting an early flag for McNeeley in the likely scenario that the Spurs don’t land in the Top 3.

Smart 6’8” SF sniper who played with Flagg this past year and now headed to UConn, but does more than shoot too. Exactly what the Spurs are missing.


You’re third in line behind Scott and myself. Scott is going to get to see him in person at the Maui invitational.


I'm not quite on the McNeeley bandwagon yet, I just have tickets to some games he is playing in, lol. But... I do hope he is awesome, and we land him, and you and CGD (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17088) get the bragging rights - because that would be great for us.

Pretty sure I got y'all beat. 5/20/2024

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=303501&page=2&p=11066745#post11066745


Calling it now: With multiple picks available, we could get our future 3&D player somewhere in the 1st round... wherever this guy ends up.

Liam McNeeley SF – UConn – HT: 6-7 – WT: 190 – WING: NA – C’24 – Big, strong and highly skilled as a shot-maker and as a defender. Liam is one of the best 3pt shooters in his class and can get red hot from outside. He’s got a smooth and repeatable release and is deadly accurate. Has good cutting ability and feel for moving without the ball.

[scott]

Pretty sure I got y'all beat. 5/20/2024

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=303501&page=2&p=11066745#post11066745

Bragging rights can be yours! Excited to see him play in about a month

[BackHome]

Tankathon update has us with the 6th, 12th, and 16th for the upcoming draft

[BackHome]

Pretty sure I got y'all beat. 5/20/2024

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=303501&page=2&p=11066745#post11066745

Yeah, I remember reading your quote and looking at his vids after and thinking “We might have just found our starting SF”.

[baseline bum]

Planting an early flag for McNeeley in the likely scenario that the Spurs don’t land in the Top 3.

Smart 6’8” SF sniper who played with Flagg this past year and now headed to UConn, but does more than shoot too. Exactly what the Spurs are missing.

I don't think McNeeley is going to last to picks 8-10 when the Spurs will likely be drafting.

[stnick2261]

Yeah, I remember reading your quote and looking at his vids after and thinking “We might have just found our starting SF”.

When I posted that, he was still listed at pick #15.


I don't think McNeeley is going to last to picks 8-10 when the Spurs will likely be drafting.

He's shot up pretty good without playing any games. I would still prefer one of the top5 picks... but if we get a 5-10 pick, McNeeley would be my choice there.

[exstatic]

I don't think McNeeley is going to last to picks 8-10 when the Spurs will likely be drafting.

If he rises, someone else good falls.

[playblair]

With Sochan and Castle looking like keepers, outside shooting should be Spurs first priority in this draft: they can't really afford to add another poor to average shooter to the team.
I can only see Spurs adding a non-shooter if he is something special.


No more shooting projects, please for the love of the flying spaghetti monster

kevin durant scorer with kawhi work ethic.......has already scored 30 points in first game as freshman vs power 5 team


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v_kLbReCnc

[mudyez]

I know it's early but since I got #3+#4 at Tankathon I was wondering if we would prefer that or #1[Flagg] (plus say a non lottery pick).

On a side note: In an interview I got the feeling that Flagg is not optimal Spurs material. I got some: Would leave for LA as soon as possible vibes.

[exstatic]

I know it's early but since I got #3+#4 at Tankathon I was wondering if we would prefer that or #1[Flagg] (plus say a non lottery pick).

On a side note: In an interview I got the feeling that Flagg is not optimal Spurs material. I got some: Would leave for LA as soon as possible fibes.

The Spurs will suss that out. If he has a hard on for LA and Utah is in the top 3-4, flip #1 + contract to Danny for their pick and Lauri. If he balks, take other calls in the top 4, but I don’t think he will. The hard on he has for a white American kid with superstar potential in that market couldn’t be measured using existing technology.

[CGD]

I know it's early but since I got #3+#4 at Tankathon I was wondering if we would prefer that or #1[Flagg] (plus say a non lottery pick).

On a side note: In an interview I got the feeling that Flagg is not optimal Spurs material. I got some: Would leave for LA as soon as possible vibes.

With Wemby already, im taking 3 and 4 in that scenario. Getting Ace Bailey at 3 would be ideal, but so would Harper especially if Castle isn’t the guy at PG.

[RC_Drunkford]

Looks like OKC will have a better chance getting Flagg than the Spurs with how the Clippers are looking

[exstatic]

Looks like OKC will have a better chance getting Flagg than the Spurs with how the Clippers are looking

Maybe Pop should throw the game Monday by resting Wemby.

[exstatic]

Looks like OKC will have a better chance getting Flagg than the Spurs with how the Clippers are looking

Atlanta is also looking shitty.

[CGD]

Looks like OKC will have a better chance getting Flagg than the Spurs with how the Clippers are looking

That’s insane to think about. At some point they’re gonna have to consolidate pieces just to be able to keep the roster affordable.

[rascal]

I know it's early but since I got #3+#4 at Tankathon I was wondering if we would prefer that or #1[Flagg] (plus say a non lottery pick).

On a side note: In an interview I got the feeling that Flagg is not optimal Spurs material. I got some: Would leave for LA as soon as possible vibes.

I'll take the 3 and 4 over Flagg

[cutewizard]

Khamannnnnnnn

[RobinsontoDuncan]

My favorite players so far in this draft so far (outside of the big 3 of Flagg, Harper, and Bailey).

1. Khaman Maluach: I spent a fair amount of time watching tape of Ulrich Chomche during last year's draft, and Maluach always popped on film. He's still far from a finished product, just like any freshman Big, but this man is a hooper. He is incredibly fluid for his size, and moves like a gazelle. At NBA Africa it seemed like he was everywhere on the floor, and was strong handling the ball like a guard in transition. Excellent shot blocker, fantastic athlete for the 5 position (I get David Robinson vibes watching his tape), and an excellent shot blocker. He also has a smooth looking jumper, and definitely has strong stretch 5 potential. Even if he doesn't develop into a consistent 3 point shooter, his potential on defense is elite, and he would be terrifying to the rest of the league playing next to Wemby if he reaches his potential. I also really buy his work ethic given his background (he's from South Sudan, and it sounds like he and his family have really gone through some things, and obviously there's an active genocide going on in South Sudan right now so I imagine he would be highly motivated to succeed). He also looked really good playing with his national team last summer for such a young big.

2. VJ Edgecome: I know he may be a bit undersized for this version of the NBA, but man is this guy a dynamic athlete. I would actually put him on a similar tier to the Thompson twins, and his hang-time and mid-air acrobatics are on another level. Likely seriously MJ/Vince Carter territory. He's also a feisty defensive player, and a total alpha on that end of the floor. In terms of his fit on the Spurs, I think he could work as a 3 given his athletic traits and would fit nicely next to Castle and Vessel. Really intriguing player.

3. Hugo Gonzales: It's really hard to evaluate a guy like Gonzales given he plays for Real Madrid and hence has very little first team floor time. That said, I love the hustle, defensive intensity, and creativity getting to the rim. He has that slithering euro-style that can be so effective in the NBA, and could be a really good fit in San Antonio.

Other guys I am eager to watch: Donnie Freeman (really intriguing size, skill, and defense combination); Drake Powell; Collin Murray Boyles

[spursparker9]

Atlanta is also looking shitty.

We can only hope the basketball god allow Atlanta to strike lottery 2 consecutive years

[Dejounte]

I was a big fan of Jordan Hawkins in his draft. What they need to find is another version of him. His ability to navigate screens and make reads is uncanny. The Spurs shouldn’t look for standstill shooters, but guys like Hawkins who mimic the old greats like Ray Allen.

[mo7888]

I'll take the 3 and 4 over Flagg

I love Flagg, but in this draft, 3 + 4 is the choice I'd make too..

[KobesAchilles]

I want either Harper or Gonzales next year.

[cutewizard]

My favorite players so far in this draft so far (outside of the big 3 of Flagg, Harper, and Bailey).

1. Khaman Maluach: I spent a fair amount of time watching tape of Ulrich Chomche during last year's draft, and Maluach always popped on film. He's still far from a finished product, just like any freshman Big, but this man is a hooper. He is incredibly fluid for his size, and moves like a gazelle. At NBA Africa it seemed like he was everywhere on the floor, and was strong handling the ball like a guard in transition. Excellent shot blocker, fantastic athlete for the 5 position (I get David Robinson vibes watching his tape), and an excellent shot blocker. He also has a smooth looking jumper, and definitely has strong stretch 5 potential. Even if he doesn't develop into a consistent 3 point shooter, his potential on defense is elite, and he would be terrifying to the rest of the league playing next to Wemby if he reaches his potential. I also really buy his work ethic given his background (he's from South Sudan, and it sounds like he and his family have really gone through some things, and obviously there's an active genocide going on in South Sudan right now so I imagine he would be highly motivated to succeed). He also looked really good playing with his national team last summer for such a young big.

2. VJ Edgecome: I know he may be a bit undersized for this version of the NBA, but man is this guy a dynamic athlete. I would actually put him on a similar tier to the Thompson twins, and his hang-time and mid-air acrobatics are on another level. Likely seriously MJ/Vince Carter territory. He's also a feisty defensive player, and a total alpha on that end of the floor. In terms of his fit on the Spurs, I think he could work as a 3 given his athletic traits and would fit nicely next to Castle and Vessel. Really intriguing player.

3. Hugo Gonzales: It's really hard to evaluate a guy like Gonzales given he plays for Real Madrid and hence has very little first team floor time. That said, I love the hustle, defensive intensity, and creativity getting to the rim. He has that slithering euro-style that can be so effective in the NBA, and could be a really good fit in San Antonio.

Other guys I am eager to watch: Donnie Freeman (really intriguing size, skill, and defense combination); Drake Powell; Collin Murray Boyles

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On point

Like me, likes Khaman

Khaman, please, arrive to our shores

Pls pls

[Mr. Body]

NCAA season kicks off Monday night.

[stnick2261]

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On point

Like me, likes Khaman

Khaman, please, arrive to our shores

Pls pls

You posted a video of Khaman in another thread where the commentators said his coach had to dumb down his offense so Khaman would always know where to go. His first block in that video was like a volleyball spike... when he could easily have kept it in play or even just grabbed it from the air (he was up high enough).

[RobinsontoDuncan]

Yeah -- I think you have to factor in the massive change in environment. I don't think we have enough information on what NBA Africa academy standard of training and competition is, but to my eye it looked fairly strong. Probably somewhere between OTE and the German league.

I would be most interested in how quick he picks things up and where he is in 10 to 15 games.

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[Russ]

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Tre Johnson looks like a bigger better version of Dillingham.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Between Tre Johnson, Kon Knueppel and Liam McNeeley there are at least three good shooters in the 6-10 range for the Spurs to target. Obviously super early but as things stand currently.

I can see players like Harper and maybe even Traore falling out of the projected top 5.

[scott]

Edgecomb had a murder dunk in garbage time but otherwise completely shit the bed in his debut

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[onechance87]

We need sum 3 and d studs on this team bad.Maybe even a pg in case castle cant step up.Shit maybe a second big man to
help protect the rim while wemby sits or rests.

[stnick2261]

Jeez... there is some competition already for this coming draft

[exstatic]

Edgecomb had a murder dunk in garbage time but otherwise completely shit the bed in his debut

Kind of surprising, since he held his own pretty well in the Olympics.

[Bruno]

This draft looks so much better than last year with so many freshmen having a great first game. :tu

[spurraider21]

thing to remember about flagg is that he reclassified to be here. he's still 17

[BackHome]

Tankathon just updated there mock:

8. V.J Edgecombe - SG
11. Asa Newell - PF/C
16. Noa Essengue - SF/PF

It seems 7 to 13 is a sweet spot

[stnick2261]

The first 17 picks in TaT's mock are all Freshmen/Intl. Lots of good stats coming from them.

[exstatic]

The first 17 picks in TaT's mock are all Freshmen/Intl. Lots of good stats coming from them.

That’s pretty much every year.

[stnick2261]

That’s pretty much every year.

Feel like I usually see at least 1 sophomore in the lottery.