2025 NBA Draft

[exstatic]

Feel like I usually see at least 1 sophomore in the lottery.

Devin was actually a sophomore drafted at 19.

I should have phrased my reply as ‘most years’, instead of the more declarative ‘pretty much every year’, which is more open to misinterpretation when you see the words ‘every year’ grouped together.

[onechance87]

egor demin looked good in his debut.He can be our luka:spin

[scott]

Can he shoot? Don’t want to even hear about him if the answer is no.

[cutewizard]

egor demin looked good in his debut.He can be our luka:spin

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can he hit the three???

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INHVxf4Ith0

[cutewizard]

imagine

Khaman at center
Wemby and Demin as point forwards
Vassell and Castle at guards,

thts a team boys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yihhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4suUS0SA_IE

[cutewizard]

From this website >>>> NBA Draft Scouting Report: BYU's Egor Demin (https://www.si.com/nba/draft/prospect-profiles/nba-draft-scouting-report-byu--egor-demin)

Prospect ProfileA jumbo creator, Demon has a fascinating game that projects to translate well to the NBA. His style is more smooth than it is quick or explosive, but he’s very effective playing that way. Demin’s size and fluidity are what make him pop, given at 6-foot-8 he’s the size of a wing and will play a lot as a small forward at the NBA level, but he possesses guard skills.

When catching in the mid-range, Demin is extremely crafty. He doesn’t have to use dribble moves to generate a good look — instead, he leverages great footwork and crafty ball fakes along with an ability to rise up over defenders and his shots while fading. He’s an advanced shotmaker for his age and has legitimate self-creation upside.
Again, although he’s the size of a wing, the guard skills are evident. In fact, there’s reason to believe Demin could play guard minutes at the next levels and lead an offense for long stretches. It’s still unclear what his full-time position projects to be in the NBA, but that’s okay because versatility is a good thing. The upside as a primary creator and facilitator is certainly there if it's needed wherever he lands.
Demin is still developing his 3-point shot, but is making progress. The more he’s able to knock down those looks, the more his mid-range and driving game will open up. It will also allow him to be more effective off-ball, further enhancing his versatility.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INHVxf4Ith0
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[mystargtr34]

Demin looks like Luka-lite

[Pauleta14]

imagine

Khaman at center
Wemby and Demin as point forwards
Vassell and Castle at guards,

thts a team boys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yihhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4suUS0SA_IE

20131 would definitely be ours!!!

[stnick2261]

I already miss when we were mocked to get Liam McNeeley and Egor Demin. Even though we are still mocked in that area, I feel like they are both going to move up because I like them.

[Bruno]

Can he shoot? Don’t want to even hear about him if the answer is no.

The answer is maybe.

Last season, he played a combined 36 games in an European U18 league, a Spanish U19 league and a low level senior Spanish league. In these 36 games, he was a total of 62-201 behind the arc (30.8%).

Some people are labeling him as a bad shooter because they are only using the European U18 league stat. He played 8 games in that league and was an atrocious 8-43 (18.6%) from 3.

At the end, what will really matter is what he will do this year at BYU, but he isn't a non-shooter.

[scott]

The answer is maybe.

Last season, he played a combined 36 games in an European U18 league, a Spanish U19 league and a low level senior Spanish league. In these 36 games, he was a total of 62-201 behind the arc (30.8%).

Some people are labeling him as a bad shooter because they are only using the European U18 league stat. He played 8 games in that league and was an atrocious 8-43 (18.6%) from 3.

At the end, what will really matter is what he will do this year at BYU, but he isn't a non-shooter.

Thank you for the insight!

[mo7888]

I like Demin on the Spurs alot. Obviously, it's way to early to say if he's our guy, but he's got alot to like.

[LeBowen]

I like Demin on the Spurs alot. Obviously, it's way to early to say if he's our guy, but he's got alot to like.

If we're going with Castle and Devin as future guards, we need two wing archetypes.
One as close as possible to Luka, which obviously won't happen, but someone at least 6'6 who can both create and shoot.
And one elite shooter with enough size and mobility so he's not a negative on defense.

[stnick2261]

If we're going with Castle and Devin as future guards, we need two wing archetypes.
One as close as possible to Luka, which obviously won't happen, but someone at least 6'6 who can both create and shoot.
And one elite shooter with enough size and mobility so he's not a negative on defense.

Sounds exactly like McNeeley and Demin =)

[rjv]

damnit, Ace Bailey is out for tonight's game due to an undisclosed injury. i was looking forward to his debut. harper will play though.

[DAF86]

If we're going with Castle and Devin as future guards, we need two wing archetypes.
One as close as possible to Luka, which obviously won't happen, but someone at least 6'6 who can both create and shoot.
And one elite shooter with enough size and mobility so he's not a negative on defense.

Why?

[LeBowen]

Why?

I meant in point forward sense.
If we assume our future core is Castle, Devin, Jeremy and Wemby, we'll need another perimeter creator unless Wemby becomes KD or Devin takes another step.
If they do, then we'll need that player off the bench.
With those 4 in starting lineup, defense will probably be stellar, but as you can see from our current struggles, we desperately need triple threat players.
Or at least a high volume 3pt shooting forward. That's why I wanted Markkanen badly.


Sounds exactly like McNeeley and Demin =)

They were even projected to the Spurs at #8 and #9 before the season started.

[DAF86]

I meant in point forward sense.
If we assume our future core is Castle, Devin, Jeremy and Wemby, we'll need another perimeter creator unless Wemby becomes KD or Devin takes another step.
If they do, then we'll need that player off the bench.
With those 4 in starting lineup, defense will probably be stellar, but as you can see from our current struggles, we desperately need triple threat players.
Or at least a high volume 3pt shooting forward. That's why I wanted Markkanen badly.



They were even projected to the Spurs at #8 and #9 before the season started.

I think the best version of Castle will come as a high usage on ball guard, I don't know if pairing him with a Luka type would be ideal.

Add to PG Castle, 1st option Wemby and third on ball creator Vassell and I think the best fit to those three and non-shooter Sochan would be more in line with a Klay Thompson than a Luka.

[LeBowen]

I think the best version of Castle will come as a high usage on ball guard, I don't know if pairing him with a Luka type would be ideal.

Add to PG Castle, 1st option Wemby and third on ball creator Vassell and I think the best fit to those three and non-shooter Sochan would be more in line with a Klay Thompson than a Luka.

Agreed...if those players develop to their best versions.
This is all hypothetical, but after the draft I said that we're building ourselves Bucks 2.0.
Castle is as close as a prospect can be to Jrue, Wemby is obviously not Giannis but there are some similarities and Devin's career trajectory so far has been near-identical to Middleton's if we're looking at the stats.
Jeremy can be a way better version of PJ Tucker with a worse shot.

In that ideal scenario, we get ourselves a Klay and we're good to go if we're talking starting lineup.
I shouldn't have said Luka, but he was the first thing that came to mind because Demin also played for Real.
Ballhandler with size, can even be a 6th man.

[RC_Drunkford]

I'm very high on Egor Demin, since he's one of the few players I've already watched tape on. Would definitely be a nice fit.

[heyheymymy]

McNeely playing right now on FS1

[jesterbobman]

I think I'd be happy if they look at wings generally (who can shoot the piss out of the ball), and I think somewhere in the list of needs is a back up centre.

We've seen a lot of games of Embiid and Jokic in the playoffs where their teams win their minutes, but get destroyed with them off the court. Moving that from a huge per minute loss to a small one with a better back up big is valuable long term. If Chicago or Charlotte conveys, I'd be interested in Rocco / Khaman Maluach / some other C that pops. Other ways to get something like that (FA, trade, etc) but I think that's somewhere in the list of needs.

We'll probably also see other guys pop - Reed wasn't anywhere close to a lottery pick at this point last year, clearly that changed.

[stnick2261]

McNeely playing right now on FS1
sad that I’m missing it right now. Quick look at the stats and I have to remind myself that he’s playing within a system and won’t be a main focus. 4 players on the team in double digit points already.

[Russ]

damnit, Ace Bailey is out for tonight's game due to an undisclosed injury. i was looking forward to his debut. harper will play though.

Harper went 1-6 from the line :wow (1-4 from 3), but he did go for 20 in the game.

[CGD]

My TT roll today: 1, 4, 18

Yes please!

[scottspurs]

Tre Johnson #1 overall kid can shoot. Lethal scorer

[Russ]

Tre Johnson #1 overall kid can shoot. Lethal scorer

Tre Johnson is a pure shooter (best in college?), he's 6'6" and he's got (or gonna have) a stout NBA body.

He's not the quickest or most athletic but he's still pretty quick and athletic.

He looks to be in a class of one.

[onechance87]

egor dermin with another good game.Guy reminding me of luka talent.Sorry boys think we should go for the tank, like if guys tre johnson
and dermin keep this up.Another young game changing star could be got in this draft to tag along with wemby.

[intlspurshk]

As long as Spurs have 8th pick or before, Spurs will get a useful player and probably 2nd cornerstone no matter how dumb Brian White is. Let’s tank one more year

[LeBowen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIvuSf2wobQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RLhO4g6dfI

I want both.
Need Wemby to keep chucking those 3s, tbh.
And it's about time Trae gets injured again.

[BackHome]

One thing people need to look at is who they are playing against it is nice they can put up numbers but so much better if they can do it against a good program.

[Mal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIvuSf2wobQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RLhO4g6dfI

I want both.
Need Wemby to keep chucking those 3s, tbh.
And it's about time Trae gets injured again.

Tre Johnson should be top 3 target. Natural shooter, beautiful stroke.

[BackHome]

To me he is a better shooting version of Vassell - The season has just started it is going to be fun to be watching all these potential Spurs players play

[LeBowen]

To me he is a better shooting version of Vassell - The season has just started it is going to be fun to be watching all these potential Spurs players play

He looks taller, could maybe even become a SF when he builds some muscle.
We need all the shooting we can get.

If Castle/Devin/Champ/Jeremy/Wemby are 5 players who look to be long term rotation members, these are archetypes I'd look for.

PG: Three level scorer, must be a very good shooter. We're done with looking for guards that lack range.
SG: Elite shooter who's not a negative on defense.
SF/PF: Point forward with a reliable shot or a 3-d wing with size.

I wouldn't look for a big unless there's a steal available because using lottery picks on backup bigs isn't optimal.
The only big I'd draft is a Brook Lopez archetype. Rim protection and 3pt shooting. Maybe Maluach can get there.

[Mr. Body]

To me he is a better shooting version of Vassell - The season has just started it is going to be fun to be watching all these potential Spurs players play

This reminds me of this toolsy foreign player the Longhorns had some years back from Turkey or something. I had Texas fans tell me he was playing as well as Manu, maybe better. I was like bruh he's playing against college players from East Northfolk Marina College and Bartender School.

[Pauleta14]

If Castle/Devin/Champ/Jeremy/Wemby are 5 players who look to be long term rotation members




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[LeBowen]

https://i.imgflip.com/474kzy.png?a480840

:rollin
Champ is exactly the type of perimeter role player every team wants. Multiple Champs if possible.
Good shooter, solid defender, need at least two of those in rotation.
I should've written that he's a bench piece, but he's undoubtedly the player with most secured future after those 4 starters.

11/5/2, 6 3pta, 39% for $3M a year is a steal.

[Pauleta14]

:rollin
Champ is exactly the type of perimeter role player every team wants. Multiple Champs if possible.
Good shooter, solid defender, need at least two of those in rotation.
I should've written that he's a bench piece, but he's undoubtedly the player with most secured future after those 4 starters.

11/5/2, 6 3pta, 39% for $3M a year is a steal.

You mentioned him as a "long term rotation player". I don't see it at all

Champ is a convenient asset to have now because of his cost that make his limitations acceptable.

Best case scenario is he makes a jump, learns to think on one court, pass and be reliable and he'll then go for an (overpaid) bag

He's one of the too many "one trick poney" we have in this team.

Just look aound the league, he's nothing special

[LeBowen]

Best case scenario is he makes a jump, learns to think on one court, pass and be reliable and he'll then go for an (overpaid) bag

New CBA will make every GM think twice before throwing the bag on bench pieces.

He's one of the too many "one trick poney" we have in this team.


Just look aound the league, he's nothing special

Exactly.
Every relevant team has plenty of shooters. Spurs don't.
Shooting will always be the most valuable skill in the league.

[Pauleta14]

New CBA will make every GM think twice before throwing the bag on bench pieces.

He's one of the too many "one trick poney" we have in this team.



Exactly.
Every relevant team has plenty of shooters. Spurs don't.
Shooting will always be the most valuable skill in the league.

I don't know man, I just don't feel this guy, I don't see anthing special in his attitude that makes me want to keep him tbh

Maybe it's his feminine peronality, I don't know. We'll see

[Russ]

One thing people need to look at is who they are playing against it is nice they can put up numbers but so much better if they can do it against a good program.

Here's what Tre Johnson did against Ohio State:

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[RC_Drunkford]

You mentioned him as a "long term rotation player". I don't see it at all

Champ is a convenient asset to have now because of his cost that make his limitations acceptable.

Best case scenario is he makes a jump, learns to think on one court, pass and be reliable and he'll then go for an (overpaid) bag

He's one of the too many "one trick poney" we have in this team.

Just look aound the league, he's nothing special

he's literally the most coveted role player type in the NBA of the past 10 years :lol

[Mr. Body]

Champ is rounding into form more than I thought. Not sure where he goes, but if he hits his shots, he's a smart player who makes the right choices and plays good defense. Really think he's projecting well as a role-player in this league.

[BackHome]

Here's what Tre Johnson did against Ohio State:

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Thanks for posting that Russ - Those are the type of games I like to judge potential players on and he absolutely crushed it.

[Pauleta14]

he's literally the most coveted role player type in the NBA of the past 10 years :lol

I'm not talking about this type of player but Champagnie specifically

[Mal]

New CBA will make every GM think twice before throwing the bag on bench pieces.



Where can I read about new CBA ?

[tonight...you]

Where can I read about new CBA ?
https://nbpa.com/cba#:~:text=Collective%20Bargaining%20Agreement%20 (CBA)&text=The%20current%20Agreement%20was%20ratified,fo llowing%20the%202028-29%20season.

[Mal]

https://nbpa.com/cba#:~:text=Collective%20Bargaining%20Agreement%20 (CBA)&text=The%20current%20Agreement%20was%20ratified,fo llowing%20the%202028-29%20season.

tl:dr tbh

but also it runs through 28/29 so what new CBA. Any 4-5 yrs deals handled today, will run out by then.

[tonight...you]

tl:dr tbh

but also it runs through 28/29 so what new CBA. Any 4-5 yrs deals handled today, will run out by then.
Definitely something to consider.

[exstatic]

tl:dr tbh

but also it runs through 28/29 so what new CBA. Any 4-5 yrs deals handled today, will run out by then.

tl;dr is the worst kind of ignorance when you ask about something, and someone points you at it. Then you exhibit more ignorance thinking we’re talking about individual deals. Just STFU if you’re not going to bother learning about the CBA and the second apron penalties. The adults are talking.

[Mal]

tl;dr is the worst kind of ignorance when you ask about something, and someone points you at it. Then you exhibit more ignorance thinking we’re talking about individual deals. Just STFU if you’re not going to bother learning about the CBA and the second apron penalties. The adults are talking.

You think I am about to read 676 pages of law language pdf...

Apron penalties are already in place, since last year, there is no "new CBA" up until 2030.

[rankingtear]

If the season ended right now we would have 4 picks in this draft. The East is getting weird.

[Mnky]

:rollin
Champ is exactly the type of perimeter role player every team wants. Multiple Champs if possible.
Good shooter, solid defender, need at least two of those in rotation.
I should've written that he's a bench piece, but he's undoubtedly the player with most secured future after those 4 starters.

11/5/2, 6 3pta, 39% for $3M a year is a steal.

[Mr. Body]

If the season ended right now we would have 4 picks in this draft. The East is getting weird.

We have seven draft picks right now.

[mudyez]

If we have more than two picks, we know that the FO will trade some for picks down the road (and that is ok as you don't want to end up like the Bucks without anything that may help you somehow)...go for prospects that won't show up right away...or package them to move up.

[ginobilized]

Here's a question, IF the Spurs end up with 4 1st round picks and at least one lottery pick, can we still call the front office incompetent?

The rest of the league and the pundits would hail the Spurs as genius architects of team-building.

Would this cause less FO criticism on SpursTalk?

[stnick2261]

Wish we could end the season now (for draft purposes).... 8, 10, 11, & 16. We are sitting at probably the best pre-lottery outcome we can expect. There are so many prospects in the top 15 that I like. I would use them all... and try to use the 2nd rounders to move that last pick into the top 15.

[exstatic]

Wish we could end the season now (for draft purposes).... 8, 10, 11, & 16. We are sitting at probably the best pre-lottery outcome we can expect. There are so many prospects in the top 15 that I like. I would use them all... and try to use the 2nd rounders to move that last pick into the top 15.

How do you develop four players at once when we already have a pretty full pipeline? This isn’t fantasy sports. If the season ends like the standings are today, the Spurs will kick those last two picks down the road, or maybe use 2 and 3 to move up, and kick 4 down the road. The biggest bitch fest on this forum is about Branham and Wesley, the second and third FRPs the 2022 draft. Let’s not do that again. They were real raw, and then posters don’t want the coaching staff to play them. How do you develop players if you don’t play them? Do you really see four rotation openings? Do you really want four rookies IN your rotation?

[Mr. Body]

The Spurs didn't even take two rookies this year, in a certain sense. Ingram was always slated for the G-League.

I'm not even sure they'd take two this year. Who knows.

But a player I'd be interested in with a late lotto pick, as that's where I think he'll fall, is Alex Karaban. He's older but that means he can possibly be more plug-n-play.

[stnick2261]

How do you develop four players at once when we already have a pretty full pipeline? This isn’t fantasy sports. If the season ends like the standings are today, the Spurs will kick those last two picks down the road, or maybe use 2 and 3 to move up, and kick 4 down the road. The biggest bitch fest on this forum is about Branham and Wesley, the second and third FRPs the 2022 draft. Let’s not do that again. They were real raw, and then posters don’t want the coaching staff to play them. How do you develop players if you don’t play them? Do you really see four rotation openings? Do you really want four rookies IN your rotation?

Absolutely.... next year we only have 11 players with guaranteed salary. Out of those, I'd be happy with only Castle, Vassell, Johnson, Sochan, & Wemby getting major playing time with 4 new rookies backing them up. It looks to me like the top 15 in 2025 is as good or better than the top 4 last year.

[Dejounte]

Absolutely.... next year we only have 11 players with guaranteed salary. Out of those, I'd be happy with only Castle, Vassell, Johnson, Sochan, & Wemby getting major playing time with 4 new rookies backing them up. It looks to me like the top 15 in 2025 is as good or better than the top 4 last year.

There’s absolutely no way four rookies will all get regular minutes on the main squad at the same time. It’s just not happening. If so, then that’s another tanking year and something people like backhome would love every year of his life.

[LeBowen]

2025-26 roster situation, as of now:

Castle/?/Wesley
Devin/Champ/Branham
Jeremy/?/Sidy
?/Barnes/?
Wemby/?/Bassey.

I didn't include Keldon and Collins because I'd be very upset if they're on the roster next season.
Imo, veterans for backup PG and C positions, one legit forward starter and two rookies look like a realistic outcome.
By legit forward I mean actually trying Keldon+Collins+picks for someone useful instead of getting another washed veteran or a relcamation project.

[stnick2261]

There’s absolutely no way four rookies will all get regular minutes on the main squad at the same time. It’s just not happening. If so, then that’s another tanking year and something people like backhome would love every year of his life.

I'm not saying it will happen... or that my opinion is the same (or more valid) as anyone else on this forum... just that IMHO this is the only (draft) year that I'd be willing to take 4 top 15 rookies at once. And I do believe they'd be coming in better than the bottom half of our current roster.

[Dejounte]

I'm not saying it will happen... or that my opinion is the same (or more valid) as anyone else on this forum... just that IMHO this is the only (draft) year that I'd be willing to take 4 top 15 rookies at once. And I do believe they'd be coming in better than the bottom half of our current roster.

I know you didn’t say it will happen, I’m merely just saying it won’t. Yes, those rookies will probably be better than the bottom half of the current roster (actually only the ATL pick and the Spurs or Bulls pick, whichever land in the top 14). However, it’s just not the way FO works with allowing that many rookies getting minutes.

[BackHome]

There’s absolutely no way four rookies will all get regular minutes on the main squad at the same time. It’s just not happening. If so, then that’s another tanking year and something people like backhome would love every year of his life.

Haha, You probably post the most in all the Mock Forums

[scott]

Here's a question, IF the Spurs end up with 4 1st round picks and at least one lottery pick, can we still call the front office incompetent?

The rest of the league and the pundits would hail the Spurs as genius architects of team-building.

Would this cause less FO criticism on SpursTalk?

All depends on what we do with the picks. This current Spurs FO have proven masterful at tearing it down and stockpiling more picks, there is no doubt about that. But last I checked, they don't hand out a trophy for that.

The objective is to win games, until that starts happening, this FO hasn't really accomplished anything as far as team-building goes.

[scott]

Absolutely.... next year we only have 11 players with guaranteed salary. Out of those, I'd be happy with only Castle, Vassell, Johnson, Sochan, & Wemby getting major playing time with 4 new rookies backing them up. It looks to me like the top 15 in 2025 is as good or better than the top 4 last year.

This Front Office loves fans like you. Just laying more track on the patience train!

"We have four rookies on the team, you guys just need to be patient!" as we head to the lottery for the seventh straight year and Brian Wright gets a raise :lol

[scott]

2025-26 roster situation, as of now:

Castle/?/Wesley
Devin/Champ/Branham
Jeremy/?/Sidy
?/Barnes/?
Wemby/?/Bassey.

I didn't include Keldon and Collins because I'd be very upset if they're on the roster next season.
Imo, veterans for backup PG and C positions, one legit forward starter and two rookies look like a realistic outcome.
By legit forward I mean actually trying Keldon+Collins+picks for someone useful instead of getting another washed veteran or a relcamation project.

The good news is that, despite picking up their contracts, Wesley, Branham along with Barnes, Champ, Sidy and Bassey (please lord, save our son) are all easy to move off of and create space for upgrades. Not saying we should be looking to dump any of those guys for the sake of dumping them, but to really update the roster room will have to come from somewhere.

I'm really curious if Castle would be viewed as the starting PG of the future by this Front Office or if he's viewed as more of that toolsy, do-it-all wing/guard. Like you, I really want to see some Castle/Dev/Champ/Barnes/Wemby minutes to see how he handles primary PG duties for extended periods.

I still view Champ as more of a SF than an SG but maybe it's an arbitrary distinction. Either way, that leaves us going into the offseason needing these primary roles filled:

Backup PG
Bench scoring SG/SF
Starting Forward (I'm assuming Jeremy can play either position)
Backup C

Let's say we land two lotto picks (I hope CHI and CHA convey but even if they do I'd expect them to be traded)... Traore is the only traditional PG prospect in the top 10 right now, though I'm curious to see if Harper establishes himself more as a PG or a SG. So I'd expect that it will be that bench scorer and starting forward role that gets filled. Tre Johnson and Liam McNeeley would be a heck of a draft (thinking about it here in November, of course, lots can change).

I'd still want us to make some kind of move for a high caliber vet... but even if we just went with vet backup PG and vet backup C... I think we'd have injected enough talent onto the team to start thinking about the next step forward... assuming we have a coach who wants to play modern basketball and win games.

[Mr. Body]

My guess is the team will take as many rookies as they think work for them, outside of the slots available. Meaning, if they think two players they can get at their spots are the right fits, then they'll take them. If not, they'll move one of them.

That may seem either intuitive or counter-intuitive. Just saying that they probably have ideas of precisely the sorts of needs they have, or are getting closer to them.

[jesterbobman]

I doubt we'd use all four picks for players on the roster next year, even if they convey,.

The FO has been (overly?) focused on long term asset management, ensuring that there is a stockpile in the future. I think (a small) part of that is considering a possible expansion draft, and keeping future picks as assets that don't have to be protected. If they get who they want at the top (whoever...too early to make up your mind) and someone gives them a huge package for 11 / 16 / some combo

Next year is (at the moment)
Castle / Wesley (last year rookie)
Vassell / Keldon/ Branham (last year rookie)
(Starting SF gap - think you want an upgrade) / Champ /
Sochan / Barnes (expiring)
Vic / Collins (expiring)

With Tre, CP3 (retiring?), Mamu etc TBD.

I think you want to upgrade all the bench spots with more shooting options, and this is a year with good talent, so something like (Current tankathon mock, Traore (falling) / McNeeley / Drake Powell (Will Riley)/ CMB (Karaban) could add a bunch of depth and shooting, with guys who'd take a typical rookie year to learn, then be more ready in 26-27.

[RC_Drunkford]

we should trade one of them for a 2035 pick to get this guy

1855832862974488906

[Splits]

Tankathon's mock before the season started had us getting McNeeley and Demin.
All I know is that I don't want any more guards unless we luck into a top3 pick and Harper/Traore/Edgecombe are available. If they live up to the hype, that is.

Just ran it right now, this was the first result:

https://i.ibb.co/7vd4KZQ/image.png

EDIT: and my 2nd roll :lmao
https://i.ibb.co/pZcCDKN/image.png

[scott]

we should trade one of them for a 2035 pick to get this guy

1855832862974488906

Biggest question: Why does Modesto's finest, Dusty Garza, think it will take 11 years for a 10-year old to turn 19?

[scott]

Just ran it right now, this was the first result:

https://i.ibb.co/7vd4KZQ/image.png

EDIT: and my 2nd roll :lmao
https://i.ibb.co/pZcCDKN/image.png

STOP THE COUNT

[RC_Drunkford]

Just ran it right now, this was the first result:

https://i.ibb.co/7vd4KZQ/image.png

EDIT: and my 2nd roll :lmao
https://i.ibb.co/pZcCDKN/image.png

STACKED!

[LeBowen]

Such drastic difference between drafts.
I'd be happy with any of those top8 guys.
Two lottery picks would be great, top5 pick would be a jackpot.

[spurraider21]

Traore been struggling

Harper with 5 assists and 7 turnovers, combined 2-10 from 3 in his first 2 games

[scott]

Who will be this year's Isiah Collier (projected Top 5, ends up going end of round 1)?

[james evans]

That’s right. Obviously if we luck into Cooper, Harper or Ace that’s different, but we need the wing shooting desperately.

I’d also consider with the worse of the SAS/ATL picks:

- Vassell insurance at the SG given the recurring injuries (at worse at Branham upgrade)

- Backup C
we definitely need a backup center. I can't think of a worse big man in the league today than Collins. I have no idea WHY or how he is still in the league.

[Mugen]

I'm fairly confident that Noa Essengue will be drafted using one of the Spurs picks next draft tbh.

[Mugen]

Who will be this year's Isiah Collier (projected Top 5, ends up going end of round 1)?

Powell has already begun the slide tbh.

[Pauleta14]

I'm fairly confident that Noa Essengue will be drafted using one of the Spurs picks next draft tbh.

Him and Traore and gonna be in the lottery

[KingKev]

#TakeItInTheFaceForAce #TakeItInThePooperForCooper

[Mugen]

Him and Traore and gonna be in the lottery

And so will the Spurs picks most likely tbh.

[Pauleta14]

And so will the Spurs picks most likely tbh.

Traore might not be a target now that we have our gem PG

I'd love to get Noa and I like more and more Kneuppel and Tre Johnson

Shooting abilities has to be top criteria

[Mr. Body]

Traore might not be a target now that we have our gem PG

I'd love to get Noa and I like more and more Kneuppel and Tre Johnson

Shooting abilities has to be top criteria

The development of Keldon as a facilitator is another sign that the team want to go with bigger players if possible. It's hard to see them taking a smaller guard at this point. We'll see.

[Pauleta14]

The development of Keldon as a facilitator is another sign that the team want to go with bigger players if possible. It's hard to see them taking a smaller guard at this point. We'll see.

Who are you talking about?

Noa - 6'9
Knueppel - 6'7
Johnson - 6'6

[Mugen]

The development of Keldon as a facilitator is another sign that the team want to go with bigger players if possible. It's hard to see them taking a smaller guard at this point. We'll see.

A) Good luck with that :lol
B) I wouldn't classify Traore as a "smaller guard" tbh

[LeBowen]

The development of Keldon as a facilitator is another sign that the team want to go with bigger players if possible. It's hard to see them taking a smaller guard at this point. We'll see.

I'd think we'd take a smaller guard only if it's somene projected to be a 20/10 playmaker with at least neutral defense.
I think one of those instant offense playmakers would be great for the bench unit, we'll see how things go.
Only two lottery projected players as of now are smaller. Edgecombe and Traore.

[Mr. Body]

1. Folks need to accept that the team is developing Keldon's playmaking abilities.

2. I don't doubt Traore or Edgecombe could be looked at, but feels they'd need to be high level defenders at their size. I wasn't sure before this draft but now am convinced they're going bigger, going for guys who can play different positions and roles.

[LeBowen]

1. Folks need to accept that the team is developing Keldon's playmaking abilities.

We can also accept he will never develop them because his biggest flaw is zero court awareness and tunnel vision whenever he gets the ball.


2. I don't doubt Traore or Edgecombe could be looked at, but feels they'd need to be high level defenders at their size. I wasn't sure before this draft but now am convinced they're going bigger, going for guys who can play different positions and roles.

Well since Castle looks to be our future PG, we kind of don't need any more guards. I doubt we'd go into the first season with some expectations with rookie and sophmore point guard duo. I guess either CP3 stays one more year or Tre gets a new deal.
We need wings with size and shooting. Luckily for us, there seems to be a lot of those in this draft.

[Mugen]

They can try developing that area all they want, doesn't mean it's going to be effective at an NBA level :lol

Scouting on Edgecombe projects him to be a pretty good defender tbh. He's pretty much got the same body type as Anthony Edwards who is a plus defender.

[Mugen]

The Spurs will be in great shape as long as they land a pick in the 1-8 range tbh. This draft is absolutely loaded and all the guys that will be projected to go in the range all seem like good fits on a SA roster going forward.

I'd give a little more weight to guys that can shoot but they'd be lucky to land any one of the top '25 prospects.

If for some reason they manage to get a top 5 pick, they'd absolutely be fishing with dynamite tbh.

[exstatic]

I'd think we'd take a smaller guard only if it's somene projected to be a 20/10 playmaker with at least neutral defense.
I think one of those instant offense playmakers would be great for the bench unit, we'll see how things go.
Only two lottery projected players as of now are smaller. Edgecombe and Traore.

Edgecomb is 6’5”, which I don’t consider “smaller”. Your mileage may vary.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Nah Edgecombe isn’t even near 6’5, regardless of what he’s listed at. 6’3 at best and so is Nolan Traore. They both look very small when you watch them play. At least VJ has insane athleticism.

I’m very low on Traore right now, having watched a few full games. Sure, he plays against grown men but still. Hopefully both improve a lot during the season. I’d have them outside of the top 5 right now.

[exstatic]

Nah Edgecombe isn’t even near 6’5, regardless of what he’s listed at. 6’3 at best and so is Nolan Traore. They both look very small when you watch them play. At least VJ has insane athleticism.

I’m very low on Traore right now, having watched a few full games. Sure, he plays against grown men but still. Hopefully both improve a lot during the season. I’d have them outside of the top 5 right now.

Until the combine, I just go by the listed measurements.

There were people who thought Dilly was over measured, and he came out about as measured.

[Mitch Cumsteen]

Tre Johnson is the dream for me. Good size, plays with effort on defense, great shooter, can create on his own shot, and he doesn't seem to force anything. He's going to be special. A decent sized floor spacer who plays within the flow of the game and can create his own shot while playing competent defense is just what the doctor ordered for this team.

[LeBowen]

Until the combine, I just go by the listed measurements.

There were people who thought Dilly was over measured, and he came out about as measured.

Tbh, it's the neck.
Would probably be 6'3 with an average neck.

https://i.imgur.com/0bdCfWJ.png

[Bruno]

Some of the international players were measured few months ago at the Nike hoops Summit and/or the basketball without border camp:
https://x.com/NBADraftMikeyV/status/1778213363102920802/photo/1
https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/1aue1pr/full_bwb_combine_measurements/

Edgecombe has been measured at 6'5" in shoes with a 6'6" wingspan.

[Dejounte]

Some of the international players were measured few months ago at the Nike hoops Summit and/or the basketball without border camp:
https://x.com/NBADraftMikeyV/status/1778213363102920802/photo/1
https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/1aue1pr/full_bwb_combine_measurements/

Edgecombe has been measured at 6'5" in shoes with a 6'6" wingspan.
Gross

[CGD]

Tbh, it's the neck.
Would probably be 6'3 with an average neck.

https://i.imgur.com/0bdCfWJ.png

Topic 2.0

[mystargtr34]

Edgecombe still has decent/average size for a 2 guard but he’s definitely not a ‘wing’. 8’3 standing reach is not great.

[onechance87]

Some of the international players were measured few months ago at the Nike hoops Summit and/or the basketball without border camp:
https://x.com/NBADraftMikeyV/status/1778213363102920802/photo/1
https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/1aue1pr/full_bwb_combine_measurements/

Edgecombe has been measured at 6'5" in shoes with a 6'6" wingspan.

whats your opinion on bogoljub markovic.Have you seen much of him.

[Bruno]

whats your opinion on bogoljub markovic.Have you seen much of him.

I haven't seen him play.

Spurs main criteria to draft an international player with a second round pick will likely be: being fine with being stashed for a few years.

[R. DeMurre]

Nolan Traore sure seems to be dropping fast in various mocks and estimations, after posting some pretty mediocre shooting percentages for a second straight year. Like Nikola Topic, some of his supposed measurements have shown to be exaggerated, but unlike Topic he's shooting a 40% 2pt% to go along with his 25% 3pt%. Iirc, Tankathon had him at #2 at one point and now has him at #9.

[LeBowen]

The thing I'm most interested in is how hard it will be to trade up.
If the draft was today, we'd have #12 and #16 picks, not optimal. Obviously getting into top5 with those would be impossible, even if we add a future pick.
But trading up from #12 to let's say 7th or 8th if there's a player PATFO really wants should be doable.

[montgod]

Edgecombe still has decent/average size for a 2 guard but he’s definitely not a ‘wing’. 8’3 standing reach is not great.

Agreed, but he does have that DWade type attitude on the court that can't be measured. Probably wouldn't fit w/Spurs since 2 guard won't be a need but he's def a baller

[Pauleta14]

Nolan Traore sure seems to be dropping fast in various mocks and estimations, after posting some pretty mediocre shooting percentages for a second straight year. Like Nikola Topic, some of his supposed measurements have shown to be exaggerated, but unlike Topic he's shooting a 40% 2pt% to go along with his 25% 3pt%. Iirc, Tankathon had him at #2 at one point and now has him at #9.

Euro and US college players are on very different schedules and very diff types of oppositions.

The hype is always "delayed" for euro players and like last season, once college games are over and only euro players are playing (usually their best basketball), the hype will again be bigger on the euros.

Still a long way to go

[baseline bum]

Agreed, but he does have that DWade type attitude on the court that can't be measured. Probably wouldn't fit w/Spurs since 2 guard won't be a need but he's def a baller

The only fit I'd be worrying about is if the guy fits next to Victor. There will be plenty of minutes to go around at guard and swing positions for anyone really talented they draft unless it was someone super raw like say Ron Holland last draft.

[montgod]

The only fit I'd be worrying about is if the guy fits next to Victor. There will be plenty of minutes to go around at guard and swing positions for anyone really talented they draft unless it was someone super raw like say Ron Holland last draft.

Good point. He just gotta work on his range. Otherwise, he can contribute everywhere else with his effort/initiative.

[Pauleta14]

The thing I'm most interested in is how hard it will be to trade up.
If the draft was today, we'd have #12 and #16 picks, not optimal. Obviously getting into top5 with those would be impossible, even if we add a future pick.
But trading up from #12 to let's say 7th or 8th if there's a player PATFO really wants should be doable.

I think in a richer draft than the previous getting 2 mid draft picks vs a late lottery for ex could be attractive if the draft is as deep as expected

[LeBowen]

The only fit I'd be worrying about is if the guy fits next to Victor. There will be plenty of minutes to go around at guard and swing positions for anyone really talented they draft unless it was someone super raw like say Ron Holland last draft.

The thing is that we need wings badly and not many are available around the league.
Unless we can get someone projected to be an all-star guard, it's not worth it, imo.
Castle and Devin look like sure things, Tre can be extended and Champagnie's size is more suited for a shooting guard than a forward, imo.

Meanwhile our wing rotation is among the worst in the league with Jeremy's injury and he's a non-shooter.
We need one of those 6'8-6'10 high volume 3pt shooters, that's why I wanted Markkanen badly.

[Rosewood]

The thing is that we need wings badly and not many are available around the league.
Unless we can get someone projected to be an all-star guard, it's not worth it, imo.
Castle and Devin look like sure things, Tre can be extended and Champagnie's size is more suited for a shooting guard than a forward, imo.

Meanwhile our wing rotation is among the worst in the league with Jeremy's injury and he's a non-shooter.
We need one of those 6'8-6'10 high volume 3pt shooters, that's why I wanted Markkanen badly.
Markkanen would have been perfect for this team.

[Russ]

The only fit I'd be worrying about is if the guy fits next to Victor. There will be plenty of minutes to go around at guard and swing positions for anyone really talented they draft unless it was someone super raw like say Ron Holland last draft.

Yeah, the Spurs are still in the BPA phase (caveat he can fit with Wemby, which any true BPA can).

Cooper Flagg and Tre Johnson both meet that criterion, but you may need a top two pick.

[exstatic]

Markkanen would have been perfect for this team.

He still could be. My dream is that we get #1 and Utah gets #2, and we strong arm Danny into a 1/2 swap for Markannen with other contracts going his way. The hard on Danny has for a white American kid with Superstar potential cannot be measured by existing technology. If he says no, you trade back with someone else, and DANNY AINGE GETS STIFFED. That’s a win/win in my book.

[baseline bum]

He still could be. My dream is that we get #1 and Utah gets #2, and we strong arm Danny into a 1/2 swap for Markannen with other contracts going his way. The hard on Danny has for a white American kid with Superstar potential cannot be measured by existing technology. If he says no, you trade back with someone else, and DANNY AINGE GETS STIFFED. That’s a win/win in my book.

First part is good but not interested in the second part just to own Ainge considering he could just take the guy the Spurs wanted at 3.

[R. DeMurre]

So interesting how Markkanen's emergence really spoiled Ainge's best laid plans.... The Jazz were considered one of the prime players in the Wembanyama draft, but Lauri's play propelled them to 37 wins (as he led the team in every impact stat) and now the entire picture looks to be transformed-- what was seen as Ainge winning both the Mitchell and Gobert trades in a big way has led to pretty obvious success in Cleveland and Minnesota, meaning that slew of draft picks will mostly be picks in the 20s and the pick swaps will likely amount to nothing. Meanwhile Cleveland is 12-0, and the Timberwolves are fresh off of a conference final appearance and solidly in the mix for another playoff run, while Utah's in the race for worst record in the league, with Markkanen wasting his prime in limbo.

[exstatic]

First part is good but not interested in the second part just to own Ainge considering he could just take the guy the Spurs wanted at 3.

I’m thinking in this draft anyone 1-5 will be good. Don’t really care who Ainge picks at 2, as long as he’s crying while making the pick.

[RC_Drunkford]

main focus should be drafting our future SF in this draft which is loaded with wings

[Bruno]

In a perfect world, the player to complement a starting lineup of Castle, Vassell, Sochan and Wembanyama would be a good shooting SF.

Now, if the best guard available for Spurs first pick is significantly better than the best SF, Spurs should go with the guard and plays with a 3 guards lineup. It isn't ideal but some really good teams are playing these kind of lineups (Mavs, Thunder, Suns...).

[stnick2261]

The best fit for the Spurs may be McNeeley, but there are players in a higher tier than him. It's simple, all we need are two lottery-winning picks and #11 from CHI:

Stephon Castle
Devin Vassell / Egor Demin (6'9")
Keldon Johnson / Liam McNeeley (6'8")
Jeremy Sochan / Cooper Flagg (6'9")
Victor Wembanyama

Stagger the rotations and everyone plays 30 minutes. Fill the rest of the roster with "over the hill", "locker room presence", "coach on the court" -type veterans.

[baseline bum]

I’m thinking in this draft anyone 1-5 will be good. Don’t really care who Ainge picks at 2, as long as he’s crying while making the pick.

Why? What does that accomplish? No reason to take it personally that he wouldn't trade Markannen.

[exstatic]

Why? What does that accomplish? No reason to take it personally that he wouldn't trade Markannen.

No, I just hate him in general. I’m guessing many GMs feel the same?

[spurraider21]

No, I just hate him in general. I’m guessing many GMs feel the same?
yeah but it does nothing for the spurs just to make ainge sad or whatever. its a silly thing to prioritize. is it the optimal move for the spurs? no, but it makes ainge sad. pass.

[LeBowen]

Tbh, I like Ainge.
One of the few GMs who manages to hold against big market teams trying to fleece everyone.
The league needs more GMs like him instead of these idiots that overpay and ruin rosters.

[Mr. Body]

Tbh, I like Ainge.
One of the few GMs who manages to hold against big market teams trying to fleece everyone.
The league needs more GMs like him instead of these idiots that overpay and ruin rosters.

This is a really childish view, tbh. And why Ainge failed to get anything done this summer.

[Pauleta14]

Tbh, I like Ainge.
One of the few GMs who manages to hold against big market teams trying to fleece everyone.
The league needs more GMs like him instead of these idiots that overpay and ruin rosters.

I agree but the main factor is the CBA that forces teams to spend and pay (too) early players who aren't there yet

[LeBowen]

This is a really childish view, tbh. And why Ainge failed to get anything done this summer.

Their objective for this season is to get those top5 odds. Looks like mission will be successful since they're the worst team in the West.
He kept and extended his all-star player on top of that.
My entire premise for all those trade talks was that Markkanen won't stay if they're to tank again, but obviously I was wrong. Extending a 27 year old all-star is better than trading him away.
If they land Flagg, they're already onto something come next season and they've got 8 incoming FRPs over the next 5 years while also having all of their own.

Players like John Collins, Clakrson or Kessler weren't anyone's priority. I'd argue that their value will be higher at the deadline when half the league panics and makes dumb trades under pressure of having a failed season.

[Russ]

No, I just hate [Ainge] in general. I’m guessing many GMs feel the same?

Especially baseball GMs (they want guys who can hit the curveball).

[exstatic]

Tbh, I like Ainge.
One of the few GMs who manages to hold against big market teams trying to fleece everyone.
The league needs more GMs like him instead of these idiots that overpay and ruin rosters.

TBH, he’s really only good at one thing: holding a fire sale. He put together a team with pretty obvious draft picks that topped out at the Conference finals. Once he left and Brad took over, teams would talk to Bostons FO again, and he could get the crucial missing pieces like KP and Jrue that put them over the top.

[exstatic]

yeah but it does nothing for the spurs just to make ainge sad or whatever. its a silly thing to prioritize. is it the optimal move for the spurs? no, but it makes ainge sad. pass.

Oh, obvsly you don’t trade down JUST to make Ainge sad. You’re getting other assets and players. The sadness is just a bonus.

[LeBowen]

TBH, he’s really only good at one thing: holding a fire sale. He put together a team with pretty obvious draft picks that topped out at the Conference finals. Once he left and Brad took over, teams would talk to Bostons FO again, and he could get the crucial missing pieces like KP and Jrue that put them over the top.

I think that's harsh, it's not like he wasn't trying.
He got Kyrie and Hayward who had a for all intents and purposes a career-ending injury 5 minutes into the season.
Back then Kyrie wasn't showing any signs of being deranged.
Then he tried with Kemba who was all-NBA the season before.
The team that made '22 finals is more or less his team. They just got Schroeder and brought Horford back.
Those 3 key trades they made were all with selling teams that needed to tank, you could argue that Ainge got all-stars from competing teams, while Stevens I won't say got lucky, but had the option to get players at a huge discount.

His draft record was also great over the past decade.
Smart, Rozier, Brown, Tatum, Timelord, Grant Williams, Pritchard were all his picks.

Every GM makes mistakes and it's easy to say in retrospect some moves should or shouldn't have been made, but he's the creator of that winning team.

[exstatic]

I think that's harsh, it's not like he wasn't trying.
He got Kyrie and Hayward who had a for all intents and purposes a career-ending injury 5 minutes into the season.
Back then Kyrie wasn't showing any signs of being deranged.
Then he tried with Kemba who was all-NBA the season before.
The team that made '22 finals is more or less his team. They just got Schroeder and brought Horford back.
Those 3 key trades they made were all with selling teams that needed to tank, you could argue that Ainge got all-stars from competing teams, while Stevens I won't say got lucky, but had the option to get players at a huge discount.

His draft record was also great over the past decade.
Smart, Rozier, Brown, Tatum, Timelord, Grant Williams, Pritchard were all his picks.

Every GM makes mistakes and it's easy to say in retrospect some moves should or shouldn't have been made, but he's the creator of that winning team.

That would have been the “you’re not Danny Ainge” discount, which was my point. Teams didn’t want to deal with him any more.

[LeBowen]

That would have been the “you’re not Danny Ainge” discount, which was my point. Teams didn’t want to deal with him any more.

I don't think it played that big of a role.
I just can't accept the argument that he didn't try enough to get them over the top.
2017 Kyrie was considered to be one of the best point guards in the league and arguably the most clutch player, Hayward was a top free agent.
They even made a play for KD, which would've made perfect sense if KD wasn't a spineless coward.

I'd say that teams don't want to deal with him when it comes to trading for his players, but they're fine with dealing him when he's the buyer.

[BackHome]

A good team with some nice prospects to watch would be Illinois who has 2 foreign players and a Freshman that I like;

PG/SG - Kasparas Jakucionis - 6’5 - He has some interesting skills looking to see how he handles the European transition

Center - Tomislav Ivisic - 7’1 - He is the twin to brother of Zvonimir Ivisic - I would not mind him in second round

SF - Will Riley - 6’8 - Got some skills let’s see if he can show it against some better competition.

[exstatic]

I don't think it played that big of a role.
I just can't accept the argument that he didn't try enough to get them over the top.
2017 Kyrie was considered to be one of the best point guards in the league and arguably the most clutch player, Hayward was a top free agent.
They even made a play for KD, which would've made perfect sense if KD wasn't a spineless coward.

I'd say that teams don't want to deal with him when it comes to trading for his players, but they're fine with dealing him when he's the buyer.

I never said that. I said he was such a dick that no one wanted to deal with him.

[Pauleta14]

In a perfect world, the player to complement a starting lineup of Castle, Vassell, Sochan and Wembanyama would be a good shooting SF.

Now, if the best guard available for Spurs first pick is significantly better than the best SF, Spurs should go with the guard and plays with a 3 guards lineup. It isn't ideal but some really good teams are playing these kind of lineups (Mavs, Thunder, Suns...).

As long as he can shoot and has good size and length it doesn't matter to me

Today's basketball is more and more positionless anyway

[BackHome]

It is nice to have two picks you can take best player available with first pick and maybe take a potential player with upside at a different position at second or third pick

[rascal]

If the Spurs keep winning they won't be getting a top 10 draft pick with their pick. The east is weak

Need to pull a top 5 pick out of this draft for the best of the future. Can land a top 20 point scorer /starter future all star talent with a top 5 pick. Still need top draft picks on this roster.

[CGD]

If the Spurs keep winning they won't be getting a top 10 draft pick with their pick. The east is weak

Need to pull a top 5 pick out of this draft for the best of the future. Can land a top 20 point scorer /starter future all star talent with a top 5 pick. Still need top draft picks on this roster.

I confident the Spurs will be in the lottery; they just need to not be a playoff team. A Eastern conference team that makes the playoffs with a worse record than the spurs, wont supplant them in the lottery.

The East being weak DOES mean that teams like Chicago and Charlotte have a chance of making the playoffs despite a shitty record, which is good for the Spurs. Unfortunately, it also improves Atlanta’s chances of having better pick, which is less good for us.

[cutewizard]

Egor Demin might be the target

[spurraider21]

Egor Demin might be the target
i dont know what his defense is like, but a playmaker who can shoot from all over is a natural fit at 3 for us.

[rascal]

Egor Demin might be the target

Would be disappointing with so many more players with higher upside in the 2025 draft.

[onechance87]

Would be disappointing with so many more players with higher upside in the 2025 draft.

You dont get any more upside then a young 6,9 point guard.

[Mr. Body]

You dont get any more upside then a young 6,9 point guard.

It's rascal. He's always looking for a certain 'kind' of player.

[mudyez]

I like him as a player, nut is there any news on what Denim thinks of the war?

[Dejounte]

Egor’s out of reach if ATL doesn’t start playing worse. Spurs pick will be out of the lotto tbh

[TheBallsbreakers]

So are the Spurs just tickling our balls with this .500 record at the moment but eventually going to go tank mode at the latter half of the season, or will they seriously pursue a chance at the play-in or even playoffs depending on how ATL fares?

[RC_Drunkford]

We really need the ATL pick to be in the top 10 tbh

[onechance87]

If we want a top 10 pick,We will have to tank for it ourselves.Atl role players should be coming back from injuries soon.
The pick from the them will maybe be around 15 range.Thats hoping knicks,76ers,bucks ,heat,and pacers get back on track.
The east is so bad rn.

[Pauleta14]

So are the Spurs just tickling our balls with this .500 record at the moment but eventually going to go tank mode at the latter half of the season, or will they seriously pursue a chance at the play-in or even playoffs depending on how ATL fares?

Spurs's ranking and strategy will depend as much as their productions than the rest of the league's

If injuries keep pilling and supposed contenders keep sucking...

No point of doing any projections before the ASG break at least

[Bruno]

Spurs winning 30, 35 or 40 games will have little impact on where their pick will end. It might move it from 10th to 12th.

[spursparker9]

Look like everyone in the east in tanking

Especially 76ers. This is the only team that admit to "the process" and with 2025 strong draft, how will they not tank? :lol

[The Truth #6]

They could trade picks to move up in theory. Long way to go.

[Mugen]

Look like everyone in the east in tanking

Especially 76ers. This is the only team that admit to "the process" and with 2025 strong draft, how will they not tank? :lol

The Sixers will end up a playoff team barring significant long-term injury to Embiid tbh.

[Dejounte]

They could trade picks to move up in theory. Long way to go.

This is what I’ve been guessing will happen. Probably a trade up consolidating a few picks + take in salary for a solid vet. No way they give more than one rookie regular minutes next season. That would make Wemby upset with the team having no improvement with turnovers (which comes from experience).

[rascal]

They could trade picks to move up in theory. Long way to go.

Not easy to do if both the Spurs and Atlanta picks fall into the late lottery or lower.

[LeBowen]

Not easy to do if both the Spurs and Atlanta picks fall into the late lottery or lower.

Minnesota just got a #8 pick with assets that won't come into play for 7 years.
If Spurs really want someone and thing he's a perfect fit, trading into #6-10 range with two late lottery picks and maybe something on top will be doable.

[rascal]

Egor Demin might be the target

Utah will draft Demin if they miss out on Flagg. They like their players white.

[rascal]

Minnesota just got a #8 pick with assets that won't come into play for 7 years.
If Spurs really want someone and thing he's a perfect fit, trading into #6-10 range with two late lottery picks and maybe something on top will be doable.

Not easy, rarely does it happen where a team will trade a top pick for two lower picks.

[ambchang]

I think Detroit will be a good trading partner if we want to move up. They need their infusion of young talent as their only set positions is PG and maybe SG and C. They can get a starting caliber SF or PF with a lower literary pick or two, then fill out the bench with some late first rounders.

[Pauleta14]

Utah will draft Demin if they miss out on Flagg. They like their players white.

ppl keep saying that but no fanbase can be THAT racist...:lol

Malone is a legend and Clarkson is a current fan favorite...

[Mr. Body]

ppl keep saying that but no fanbase can be THAT racist...:lol

Malone is a legend and Clarkson is a current fan favorite...

Utah is profoundly racist. Many of them come from a religion that said black people cannot be part of their religion and could not go to heaven. This was changed only in many of our lifetimes.

[Mitch Cumsteen]

Minnesota just got a #8 pick with assets that won't come into play for 7 years.
If Spurs really want someone and thing he's a perfect fit, trading into #6-10 range with two late lottery picks and maybe something on top will be doable.

That was also the #8 pick in a bad draft, probably more akin to the 15th pick in a normal draft. This draft is loaded. The 8th pick maybe closer to the 3rd pick in a normal draft.

That said, the Spurs have a lot of draft capital. If they fall in love with someone they can probably make something happen. But they better not miss if they do.

[Pauleta14]

Utah is profoundly racist. Many of them come from a religion that said black people cannot be part of their religion and could not go to heaven. This was changed only in many of our lifetimes.

Are there no black Mormons?

[Mr. Body]

Are there no black Mormons?

What the fuck did I just write?

[Pauleta14]

What the fuck did I just write?

Just wanted to give u an opportunity to correct yourself.

https://www.google.com/search?q=are+there+black+Mormons&client=firefox-b-d&sca_esv=0a3f74cf83d1b011&sxsrf=ADLYWIIJ7XY4u0MFSi9emR6iUhO148UJ1w%3A1731702 365923&ei=Xa43Z_3tN7O4hbIPgpaNuAY&ved=0ahUKEwi9kIKDlt-JAxUzXEEAHQJLA2cQ4dUDCA8&uact=5&oq=are+there+black+Mormons&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiF2FyZSB0aGVyZSBibGFjayBN b3Jtb25zMgsQABiABBiRAhiKBTIGEAAYBxgeMgYQABgHGB4yCR AAGAcYxwMYHjIJEAAYBxjHAxgeMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgAQyBhAA GAgYHkiPI1CAB1i-IHACeAGQAQCYAa0EoAGOEqoBCzAuMS4wLjIuMi4xuAEDyAEA-AEBmAIDoAL0BpgDAIgGAZIHBTEuNC0yoAf2Jw&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

[spurraider21]

Just wanted to give u an opportunity to correct yourself.

https://www.google.com/search?q=are+there+black+Mormons&client=firefox-b-d&sca_esv=0a3f74cf83d1b011&sxsrf=ADLYWIIJ7XY4u0MFSi9emR6iUhO148UJ1w%3A1731702 365923&ei=Xa43Z_3tN7O4hbIPgpaNuAY&ved=0ahUKEwi9kIKDlt-JAxUzXEEAHQJLA2cQ4dUDCA8&uact=5&oq=are+there+black+Mormons&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiF2FyZSB0aGVyZSBibGFjayBN b3Jtb25zMgsQABiABBiRAhiKBTIGEAAYBxgeMgYQABgHGB4yCR AAGAcYxwMYHjIJEAAYBxjHAxgeMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgAQyBhAA GAgYHkiPI1CAB1i-IHACeAGQAQCYAa0EoAGOEqoBCzAuMS4wLjIuMi4xuAEDyAEA-AEBmAIDoAL0BpgDAIgGAZIHBTEuNC0yoAf2Jw&sclient=gws-wiz-serp
nothing to correct. he was spot on.


Utah is profoundly racist. Many of them come from a religion that said black people cannot be part of their religion and could not go to heaven. This was changed only in many of our lifetimes.

[spurraider21]

https://i.gyazo.com/f393f55f3f384ab957b8e370cdbb45f9.png

[CorrectCrusader]

Get your gay ass political discussion off my fucking thread

[BackHome]

Yeah, if you want to talk Politics go to the “Political Board” it doesn’t matter Left or Right stop spamming Spurs stuff

[rascal]

Yeah, if you want to talk Politics go to the “Political Board” it doesn’t matter Left or Right stop spamming Spurs stuff

Just trying to educate/nothing political about it. Just fatcs

[ambchang]

Just wanted to give u an opportunity to correct yourself.

https://www.google.com/search?q=are+there+black+Mormons&client=firefox-b-d&sca_esv=0a3f74cf83d1b011&sxsrf=ADLYWIIJ7XY4u0MFSi9emR6iUhO148UJ1w%3A1731702 365923&ei=Xa43Z_3tN7O4hbIPgpaNuAY&ved=0ahUKEwi9kIKDlt-JAxUzXEEAHQJLA2cQ4dUDCA8&uact=5&oq=are+there+black+Mormons&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiF2FyZSB0aGVyZSBibGFjayBN b3Jtb25zMgsQABiABBiRAhiKBTIGEAAYBxgeMgYQABgHGB4yCR AAGAcYxwMYHjIJEAAYBxjHAxgeMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgAQyBhAA GAgYHkiPI1CAB1i-IHACeAGQAQCYAa0EoAGOEqoBCzAuMS4wLjIuMi4xuAEDyAEA-AEBmAIDoAL0BpgDAIgGAZIHBTEuNC0yoAf2Jw&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

Coming from a guy who kept saying people can’t read :lmao

[Pauleta14]

Coming from a guy who kept saying people can’t read :lmao

I'm happy you could seize his opportunity Karen, I know you've been waiting a long time! :lol

[ambchang]

I'm happy you could seize his opportunity Karen, I know you've been waiting a long time! :lol
You say stupid shit every day and get called out as such. It’s almost like whatever you say the opposite is true.

[Pauleta14]

You say stupid shit every day and get called out as such. It’s almost like whatever you say the opposite is true.

Karen... :lol

I already told you, it's not enough to write stuff down to make them true. You need to take care of ur mental health, I'm getting worried

[RC_Drunkford]

Are there no black Mormons?

your lack of basic knowledge never disappoints :lol

[Bruno]

At that stage, the biggest question about Spurs' draft is whether or not they view Castle as their future primary ballhandler/playmaker. The answer to that will change a lot about Spurs' plan for that draft.

Sorry for the off topic...

[Dejounte]

At that stage, the biggest question about Spurs' draft is whether or not they view Castle as their future primary ballhandler/playmaker. The answer to that will change a lot about Spurs' plan for that draft.

Sorry for the off topic...

The answer is yes but it doesn’t change anything. Drafting another player who is capable of being a primary ballhandler is never wrong. When Castle sits, you want solid playmaking for all 48 minutes.

[Pauleta14]

your lack of basic knowledge never disappoints :lol

Lmao I got you too all excited with a rhetorical question I see

It says a lot more about u tho

[RC_Drunkford]

Lmao I got you too all excited with a rhetorical question I see

It says a lot more about u tho

the funny thing is you still don't understand what they were saying :lol

[Pauleta14]

the funny thing is you still don't understand what they were saying :lol

:lmao

So quick to answer att... do u even go outside sometimes?

Mental illness is a serious thing

[Bruno]

The answer is yes but it doesn’t change anything. Drafting another player who is capable of being a primary ballhandler is never wrong. When Castle sits, you want solid playmaking for all 48 minutes.

The thing is that, if this player is available around Spurs/Hawks pick (a mid first), there will be a trade-off to this good ballhandling/playmaking. Usual trade-offs are shooting or/and defense.

If Spurs view Castle as their long term starting lead guard (and they should), players like Traoré, Saraf or Jakucionis are way less interesting prospects for Spurs.

[stnick2261]

If we don't get Flagg.... I would be willing to trade our future (Spurs) picks to end up with Egor Demin, Khaman Malauch, and Liam McNeeley. I feel like that would fill all of our team gaps. Added bonus of trading our own future picks (but keeping other team's picks / swaps) would be no longer being ok with a loss.

[LeBowen]

If we don't get Flagg.... I would be willing to trade our future (Spurs) picks to end up with Egor Demin, Khaman Malauch, and Liam McNeeley. I feel like that would fill all of our team gaps. Added bonus of trading our own future picks (but keeping other team's picks / swaps) would be no longer being ok with a loss.

The issue is that our future picks won't be worth much.
Can't trade 2026 unless we trade Hawks swap with it, which we obviously won't do, 2027 and onwards should be in 20s and those aren't worth much.

If we get let's say #12 and #18, we could maybe trade up to 7-9, no way we get into top5, probably even top7 without attaching another solid pick.
We're in whataboutism territory, but right now I'm not too optimistic that we'll get a top5 pick other than having some more dumb luck.

[stnick2261]

The issue is that our future picks won't be worth much.
Can't trade 2026 unless we trade Hawks swap with it, which we obviously won't do, 2027 and onwards should be in 20s and those aren't worth much.

If we get let's say #12 and #18, we could maybe trade up to 7-9, no way we get into top5, probably even top7 without attaching another solid pick.
We're in whataboutism territory, but right now I'm not too optimistic that we'll get a top5 pick other than having some more dumb luck.

Bruno posted this in the ATL pick watch thread:


espn has a statistical projection record tool:
https://www.espn.com/nba/bpi/_/view/projections

Right now, they project Spurs to end with the 7th, 9th and 15th picks in the 2025 draft.

If the 7 or 9 hits the top 4 lottery.... we can get Demin. Malauch is mocked at #8 right now so he's doable with the other pick. McNeeley is mocked #11 so we'd have to trade up a few spots. We could use future picks (not very valuable, but still something), take on bad salary, send out a current player (not Castle, Vassell, Johnson, Sochan, or Wemby), or any of our 20 SRPs.

EDIT: and I was serious about being happy with trading our future picks so we could stop being ok with losses.

[Dejounte]

Plenty of superb players in the 10-20 range… Noa and Collin Murray Boyles.

[LeBowen]

If the 7 or 9 hits the top 4 lottery.... we can get Demin. Malauch is mocked at #8 right now so he's doable with the other pick. McNeeley is mocked #11 so we'd have to trade up a few spots. We could use future picks (not very valuable, but still something), take on bad salary, send out a current player (not Castle, Vassell, Johnson, Sochan, or Wemby), or any of our 20 SRPs.

EDIT: and I was serious about being happy with trading our future picks so we could stop being ok with losses.

I don't think we're going to get 7th best odds.
We should have a better record than Blazers and Jazz int the West, East is full of bad teams. Yeah, they might get a higher seed, but I expect us to have a better record than all the teams that don't make the play-in.
11th seed in the East had 32 wins last season, West had 41.
9th and 10th had 36 and 39, respectively. I expect those numbers to be even lower this year and I expect Spurs to get 30 to 35 wins.

Our issue is that Hawks are looking good, we need Trae to get injured, tbh.


EDIT: and I was serious about being happy with trading our future picks so we could stop being ok with losses.

I'd also be happy to do it, especially in years when we have other picks, I'm just saying those picks won't be valuable because Wemby will be the best player in the league and we'll surely make the playoffs at the very least.


Plenty of superb players in the 10-20 range… Noa and Collin Murray Boyles.

I haven't seen enough of these guys, how accurate are these player comps?
https://nbadraftroom.com/2025-nba-mock-draft/

[Dejounte]

I don't think we're going to get 7th best odds.
We should have a better record than Blazers and Jazz int the West, East is full of bad teams. Yeah, they might get a higher seed, but I expect us to have a better record than all the teams that don't make the play-in.
11th seed in the East had 32 wins last season, West had 41.
9th and 10th had 36 and 39, respectively. I expect those numbers to be even lower this year and I expect Spurs to get 30 to 35 wins.

Our issue is that Hawks are looking good, we need Trae to get injured, tbh.



I'd also be happy to do it, especially in years when we have other picks, I'm just saying those picks won't be valuable because Wemby will be the best player in the league and we'll surely make the playoffs at the very least.



I haven't seen enough of these guys, how accurate are these player comps?
https://nbadraftroom.com/2025-nba-mock-draft/

Not that accurate, IMO.

Will Riley is another one to lookout for who could potentially shoot up the drafts… or not. Hopefully he stays where he is mocked right now because he’d fill a huge need. The team needs a gunner and when I say a gunner, not the spot up shy type like Barnes and McDermott. If you guys watched the Rockets games, the way Dillon Brooks or Jalen Green would just throw it up with supreme confidence… we need a small forward version of that. Tre Johnson is of that ilk and so is Will Riley.

Boyles is Draymond redux. We need to account for Sochan’s D when he sits or gets injured and Boyles is outstanding when it comes to his basketball IQ. He’s super strong and has long arms as well.

IMO this is the order of what’s needed most for the future:

1) an assertive small forward shooter as I described above, basically takes Keldon’s minutes and Barnes’ starting position
2) a combo versatile big similar to Sochan so defense never sleeps, can backup both Sochan and Wemby
3) a third string guard who can come in after Castle and Tre Jones (I’m all about keeping Tre now since both Wesley and Malaki aren’t cutting it) and manage the offense
4) another useful, cheap wing similar to Champ

Tbh, if our two ways are given chances to crack the rotation, Ingram could fill 2 and Duke Jr. could fill 3. I think #1 really only could be solved through the draft.

[Mr. Body]

This really may be a great draft. Unfortunately the directions for our teams seem to be going the wrong ways. Chicago ain't great, Charlotte is pretty bad, Atlanta is better than expected. The Spurs may win up winning in the high 30s, but then the WC is so stacked right now they won't even be in the play-in.

[ambchang]

Karen... :lol

I already told you, it's not enough to write stuff down to make them true. You need to take care of ur mental health, I'm getting worried

I’d be worried about someone who somehow stays up 3am Paris time posting on a spurs forum every day.

[LeBowen]

1) an assertive small forward shooter as I described above, basically takes Keldon’s minutes and Barnes’ starting position

Agreed, that's why I was so desperate for Markkanen.
Who knows, there's always next summer. ;)


2) a combo versatile big similar to Sochan so defense never sleeps, can backup both Sochan and Wemby

I don't think we necessarily need that forward to be Wemby's backup. I still think we need another legit 7 footer in the rotation.
Can't rely on Wemby playing 35mpg every game, foul trouble can always happen.
Maluach is intriguing, I watched him in that exhibition game against USA Sudan almost won, he can shoot. If he develops into a player too good to keep on the bench, even better. You can trade him for a good return later on. Applies to every draftee we get. I'm still on BPA train if the draftee has high ceiling. Why not create another Haliburton/Sabonis situation if there's an opportunity?
But yeah, would be great if we can get another good defender who's at least 6'8 and has a solid jumpshot.


3) a third string guard who can come in after Castle and Tre Jones (I’m all about keeping Tre now since both Wesley and Malaki aren’t cutting it) and manage the offense
4) another useful, cheap wing similar to Champ

These two don't worry me too much, it should be fairly easy to find a steady third string point guard if we keep Tre.
If he leaves, then I wouldn't mind a triple threat scorer who can drop 15 whenever the team needs it.
When it comes to cheap wings, we should put those SRPs to work. Most contenders have cap issues and it should be fairly easy to move up to #25-30 pick range with a handful of SRPs if there's an older 3-D wing worth drafting.

[BackHome]

Plenty of superb players in the 10-20 range… Noa and Collin Murray Boyles.

I like Noa but I think Murray Boyles stock is going to drop because I don’t think he has tried one three ball yet.

[Bruno]

The key about Essengue is his outside shot.

This season when you combine his games in German League and European league:
15 games
343 minutes
8/29 3P (.276)
56/83 FT (.675)

Sadly, low volume and % for the moment.

[Bruno]

And if you want some crazy ideas about what Spurs could do with their picks this summer: Spurs will have $50M in tradable expiring contracts (Barnes, Collins, Branham, Wesley and Cissoko).
I doubt Spurs will take that road but they will be in position to do a major trade next summer with their picks and expiring contracts.

[sfernald]

The answer is yes but it doesn’t change anything. Drafting another player who is capable of being a primary ballhandler is never wrong. When Castle sits, you want solid playmaking for all 48 minutes.

I mean look at Okc, it seems like all they draft is primary ball handlers and it seems to work for them.

[Mal]

The key about Essengue is his outside shot.

This season when you combine his games in German League and European league:
15 games
343 minutes
8/29 3P (.276)
56/83 FT (.675)

Sadly, low volume and % for the moment.

I watched him in person, I dont like his game. He is very athletic, but his shot seemed off.

[Mal]

And if you want some crazy ideas about what Spurs could do with their picks this summer: Spurs will have $50M in tradable expiring contracts (Barnes, Collins, Branham, Wesley and Cissoko).
I doubt Spurs will take that road but they will be in position to do a major trade next summer with their picks and expiring contracts.

I hope Spurs will have all 4 possible 1st this year.

I think Bucks and Phoenix can implode if they lost in 1st round.

Also Celtics cant keep their 225mil roster, thinking if they win 2nd championship, guy like Jaylen Brown could become available.

[Pauleta14]

I’d be worried about someone who somehow stays up 3am Paris time posting on a spurs forum every day.

I'm in Paris now...??? :lmao

I really do live rent free in your head, my dear Karen

Try again ^^

[Dejounte]

I like Noa but I think Murray Boyles stock is going to drop because I don’t think he has tried one three ball yet.
Having a 3 ball or not matters very little to me tbh. IQ of the game matters way more. Wes, Bran, and Collins suck not because of their shooting ability, but because they have so little impact on the game when they’re on the floor. Guys like Castle and Sochan are making their presence felt and it’s because of their IQ.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/SLolDaXNXcA?feature=shared

This guy is practically Zaccharie Risacher except he can actually shoot. Zaccharie’s shooting poorly right now and it’s reminiscent of his long drought during professional basketball before he was drafted and everybody thought that slump wasn’t evidence of anything. Zaccharie’s not the super shooter everybody painted him out to be, tbh, and that opinion will solidify itself once the season passes. Come at me, Zach fans.

[Pauleta14]

https://youtu.be/SLolDaXNXcA?feature=shared

This guy is practically Zaccharie Risacher except he can actually shoot. Zaccharie’s shooting poorly right now and it’s reminiscent of his long drought during professional basketball before he was drafted and everybody thought that slump wasn’t evidence of anything. Zaccharie’s not the super shooter everybody painted him out to be, tbh, and that opinion will solidify itself once the season passes. Come at me, Zach fans.

What makes u think he won't get better and ultimately reliable?

(genuine question, I haven't watched him much)

[Dejounte]

What makes u think he won't get better and ultimately reliable?

(genuine question, I haven't watched him much)

The way he shoots is inconsistent. Half of the time or less his feet isn’t set. It’s like he tries to mimic the way Steph Curry shoots and it’s not helping him. If he stops that, sure it will improve. But I doubt he will stop it.

[onechance87]

https://youtu.be/SLolDaXNXcA?feature=shared

This guy is practically Zaccharie Risacher except he can actually shoot. Zaccharie’s shooting poorly right now and it’s reminiscent of his long drought during professional basketball before he was drafted and everybody thought that slump wasn’t evidence of anything. Zaccharie’s not the super shooter everybody painted him out to be, tbh, and that opinion will solidify itself once the season passes. Come at me, Zach fans.

wonder how his d is.Zach has some good d.

[Pauleta14]

The way he shoots is inconsistent. Half of the time or less his feet isn’t set. It’s like he tries to mimic the way Steph Curry shoots and it’s not helping him. If he stops that, sure it will improve. But I doubt he will stop it.

Thx, but that's quite pessimistic :lol he's 19 bro and he's a smart kid known for his great work ethic and entourage, dad's a former pro etc

I think he got thrown as a starter before having to win his place, I had the same criticism about Sochan, I think it doesn't help the kids to not make them fight for their job. It can make them build bad habits and delay they growth.

I'm no worried tho, work ethic always pays off

[Dejounte]

Regardless of if he improves his shot or not, there’s nothing about his game so far that screams “I’m a star you build around one day” and I would gamble on a similar archetype as him in the late lotto range than invest a #1 pick selection on him. He won’t live up to that selection tbh.

[BackHome]

If out pick is top 15 you maybe right but after that I would have no problem as long as he continues his current play

[ambchang]

I'm in Paris now...??? :lmao

I really do live rent free in your head, my dear Karen

Try again ^^

Supposedly some European time zone. But it’s still 3am Paris time.

[Pauleta14]

Supposedly some European time zone. But it’s still 3am Paris time.

Maybe Paris... Texas? :lol

I love the idea that you think so much about me Karen

[ambchang]

Maybe Paris... Texas? :lol

I love the idea that you think so much about me Karen

Not really. But there are multiple times you want to pass off as not being in the us. Glad you came clean.

[Pauleta14]

Not really. But there are multiple times you want to pass off as not being in the us. Glad you came clean.

I wanna what now?? :lol

It really matches ur modus operandi on ST ...

[ambchang]

I wanna what now?? :lol

It really matches ur modus operandi on ST ...

Unlike you I actually know the definitions of phrases I use before I use them:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pass%20off

[drpill]

Can you two get a room please? This is fucking insufferable.

[Seventyniner]

Can you two get a room please? This is fucking insufferable.

The worst part is that if you only have one of them on ignore, their posts still show up as quotes.

I wish this site would hide quotes from ignored posters.

[Pauleta14]

Unlike you I actually know the definitions of phrases I use before I use them:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pass%20off

Hum... you didn't think much before you answered, did you...? :lol

I wasn't asking about the meaning, but what you seem to assume I want.

Take your time Karen

[ambchang]

Hum... you didn't think much before you answered, did you...? :lol

I wasn't asking about the meaning, but what you seem to assume I want.

Take your time Karen

Don’t understand what quoting and holding means. Got it.

[ambchang]

Can you two get a room please? This is fucking insufferable.


The worst part is that if you only have one of them on ignore, their posts still show up as quotes.

I wish this site would hide quotes from ignored posters.

Apologies and thanks for reminding me I’m acting like a fool arguing with a fool.

It’s rather pointless as he would just keep being a bigger and bigger moron, and everybody already knew he’s an idiot so I’m not adding anything to the forum.

My bad. Will stop.

[Pauleta14]

Apologies and thanks for reminding me I’m acting like a fool .


:bobo

[BackHome]

A good team with some nice prospects to watch would be Illinois who has 2 foreign players and a Freshman that I like;

PG/SG - Kasparas Jakucionis - 6’5 - He has some interesting skills looking to see how he handles the European transition

Center - Tomislav Ivisic - 7’1 - He is the twin to brother of Zvonimir Ivisic - I would not mind him in second round

SF - Will Riley - 6’8 - Got some skills let’s see if he can show it against some better competition.

Illinois is playing against Alabama today should be a good game to watch a couple of potential draft picks

[Dejounte]

Illinois is playing against Alabama today should be a good game to watch a couple of potential draft picks

Will Riley baby

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxfI1JIeOsc

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvNVarrxoyw

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0YqyV0CcdM

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stofEuX2Rkk

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK0Qy2aw5Yw

[spurraider21]

oh no, cutewizard found youtube again

[spurraider21]

its only been 2 games, but Bailey is such an absurd shotmaker :lol

what i havent really seen out of him is the ability to separate or show enough handles to really create, but just with his length and footwork he's able to get shots off from anywhere. he's also a monster athlete

i had similar concerns that brandon miller didnt show enough self-creation and ballhandling but he showed quite a bit of that as a rookie. bailey is a bigger, stronger version of that... just nuts

[Mugen]

its only been 2 games, but Bailey is such an absurd shotmaker :lol

what i havent really seen out of him is the ability to separate or show enough handles to really create, but just with his length and footwork he's able to get shots off from anywhere. he's also a monster athlete

i had similar concerns that brandon miller didnt show enough self-creation and ballhandling but he showed quite a bit of that as a rookie. bailey is a bigger, stronger version of that... just nuts

The lack of separation is a little bit concerning but I think it's just a matter of him settling / knowing that nobody can really contest his shot. The physical tools are all there once he starts going up against NBA level defenders.

He drilled a fadeaway jumper on the baseline last game that looked effortless, can maybe recall a handful of NBA guys making it look that easy in the last few decades.

Top 2 pick easily tbh.

[spurraider21]

The lack of separation is a little bit concerning but I think it's just a matter of him settling / knowing that nobody can really contest his shot. The physical tools are all there once he starts going up against NBA level defenders.

He drilled a fadeaway jumper on the baseline last game that looked effortless, can maybe recall a handful of NBA guys making it look that easy in the last few decades.

Top 2 pick easily tbh.
oh yeah. even if he's just a scoring/shooting specialist out the gate, with his athletic profile and defensive upside its a smash pick. he just turned 18 a few months ago. there's a lot of talk about how young Flagg is and how he reclassified, etc. but theyre only about 4 months apart.

[Mugen]

The lack of separation is a little bit concerning but I think it's just a matter of him settling / knowing that nobody can really contest his shot. The physical tools are all there once he starts going up against NBA level defenders.

He drilled a fadeaway jumper on the baseline last game that looked effortless, can maybe recall a handful of NBA guys making it look that easy in the last few decades.

Top 2 pick easily tbh.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjfpBM1cUaA

Starts at 1:21, McGrady-esque tbh

[Uriel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stofEuX2Rkk
I fully agree with the title. Malauach is gonna be a great pro.

[exstatic]

I fully agree with the title. Malauach is gonna be a great pro.

He’s a traditional non shooting big. How is he going to be a great pro?

[BackHome]

Do we need a big backup center I think so but for me I don’t want to waste first round draft capital for a backup. I am cool with using a high second round pick and I would do it next year or the following as it takes a few years for bigs to get there feet under them.

[Vienna]

Can anyone explain to me why John Blackwell from Wisconsin doesn't appear in any mock drafts? I haven't seen him anywhere, anyway. I think the kid has developed tremendously, physically and in terms of playing skills, but he seems to have been overlooked since high school. I'm going to say that he will be one of the players who ends up being drafted in the middle of the first round, which means he will be a candidate for the Spurs. Blackwell could be the player that Branham never developed into

[exstatic]

Can anyone explain to me why John Blackwell from Wisconsin doesn't appear in any mock drafts? I haven't seen him anywhere, anyway. I think the kid has developed tremendously, physically and in terms of playing skills, but he seems to have been overlooked since high school. I'm going to say that he will be one of the players who ends up being drafted in the middle of the first round, which means he will be a candidate for the Spurs. Blackwell could be the player that Branham never developed into

Do you have any idea how many GOOD college players will never even sniff the NBA? Think about how many D1 programs there are, 352. Every one of them has a best player, a campus hero. If only D1 players were drafted, 292 of them would not be selected.

[Knoxxx]

Seems like the big question here is how many first round picks to bring in this year. If we have 3 picks in the 10-20 range, I can definitely find players that look worth adding.

[baseline bum]

its only been 2 games, but Bailey is such an absurd shotmaker :lol

what i havent really seen out of him is the ability to separate or show enough handles to really create, but just with his length and footwork he's able to get shots off from anywhere. he's also a monster athlete

i had similar concerns that brandon miller didnt show enough self-creation and ballhandling but he showed quite a bit of that as a rookie. bailey is a bigger, stronger version of that... just nuts

Where you seeing Rutgers games? Any place to DL them?

[Vienna]

Do you have any idea how many GOOD college players will never even sniff the NBA? Think about how many D1 programs there are, 352. Every one of them has a best player, a campus hero. If only D1 players were drafted, 292 of them would not be selected.
REALLY?? Who would have thought! The internet is great, you can always find someone who will share their insider wisdom with you, even if you didn't ask for it.

[spurraider21]

Where you seeing Rutgers games? Any place to DL them?
YouTube cutups tbh

[exstatic]

REALLY?? Who would have thought! The internet is great, you can always find someone who will share their insider wisdom with you, even if you didn't ask for it.

It’s called a reality check.

[Uriel]

He’s a traditional non shooting big. How is he going to be a great pro?
See: Lively, Derrick.

[exstatic]

See: Lively, Derrick.

Derrick Lively is a hustle guy, a garbage scorer, not a great player. He plays 22 a night, and averages 8.8/6.8.

[Uriel]

Derrick Lively is a hustle guy, a garbage scorer, not a great player. He plays 22 a night, and averages 8.8/6.8.
He's a sophomore, he's going to improve. And by "great pro" I meant his game was going to translate well to the pro level, not become a superstar.

[exstatic]

He's a sophomore, he's going to improve. And by "great pro" I meant his game was going to translate well to the pro level, not become a superstar.

That’s just “a pro”.

[scott]

That’s just “a pro”.

Zach Collins is “a pro”

Derrick Lively actually makes an impact towards winning basketball. That’s what makes a pro great.

[scott]

Anyway, I’ll be up close and personal to watch first round prospects McNeely (UConn), Drake Powell (NC) and Ian Jackson (NC). Got both the UConn and NC games tomorrow and then I’ll be courtside for the NC game on Tuesday (assuming they win tomorrow).

[exstatic]

Zach Collins is “a pro”

Derrick Lively actually makes an impact towards winning basketball. That’s what makes a pro great.

Wow. That’s kind of a stretch of the adjective ‘great’. 8.8/6.8 ain’t that, in my book.

[scott]

Wow. That’s kind of a stretch of the adjective ‘great’. 8.8/6.8 ain’t that, in my book.

There's a difference between being a "great player" and a "great pro". Role players can be, and are, great pros. They fill their role and contribute to winning. Boris Diaw is a career 8.6/4.4/3.5 guy. He averaged 7.4/3.8/2.6 in his time with the Spurs. I'd still call him a great pro.