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Bogie
02-13-2021, 05:52 PM
:lmao thats a cute cope reply :lol
derp Jr
You have forever been assigned that name
Will Hunting
02-13-2021, 05:53 PM
:lol Derp Jr
:lol DJ
ChumpDumper
02-13-2021, 06:09 PM
:lol DMC and hater are having aneurysms trying to pump up their Trump.
Adam Lambert
02-13-2021, 06:15 PM
How do you not get a conviction? :lol
It's as if you don't understand who the jury is in this case.
ChumpDumper
02-13-2021, 06:22 PM
WHY DIDN'T THE CAPOS DECLARE THE GODFATHER GUILTY?
hater
02-13-2021, 06:40 PM
:lmao
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1360694987168620546?s=19
Ef-man
02-13-2021, 06:46 PM
:lol Derp Jr
:lol DJ
Do not forget his, always the honest broker, friend, Derp’s My Cousin.
:lmao
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1360694987168620546?s=19
Oh no, Derp Jr. thinks the accused should go on the record saying how guilty he is. Call the press and shout it out!
Winehole23
02-13-2021, 07:01 PM
If nothing else, the Senate trial of DJT has revealed the maximum number of moderate/persuadable Republican Senators: seven.
The filibuster needs to be nuked.
hater
02-13-2021, 07:07 PM
:lol so many tears
Trump didn't get convicted :cry Sure, Dems basically own the country, and everyone knew he wouldn't, but Trump didn't get convicted :cry
Det supreme court though :lol
It's as if you don't understand who the jury is in this case.
:cry muh jury
Det supreme court though :lol
What about it? Same SC that has been skull fucking Trump non stop.
:lol Appoints 3 judges and they rule against him 3 times out of 5.
Adam Lambert
02-13-2021, 07:12 PM
If nothing else, the Senate trial of DJT has revealed the maximum number of moderate/persuadable Republican Senators: seven.
The filibuster needs to be nuked.
It's only 7 if a 2/3rds majority is needed. In the case of a simple majority, I expect those seven to go right back to the spineless enabling cowards they've always been.
Adam Lambert
02-13-2021, 07:13 PM
:cry muh jury
Compelling rebuttal.
It's okay, you can have this W, big guy. I know how happy it makes you. You need it after the past few months.
SnakeBoy
02-13-2021, 07:15 PM
https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/ODAwWDgwMA==/z/TQIAAOSwpcFfsgho/$_12.JPG?set_id=880000500F
Will Hunting
02-13-2021, 07:15 PM
If nothing else, the Senate trial of DJT has revealed the maximum number of moderate/persuadable Republican Senators: seven.
The filibuster needs to be nuked.
The new VRA should be the litmus test. If they can’t get 10 Republicans to sign on to a bill ensuring black people can vote, then Schumer should start leaning on Sinema and Manchin.
Lol being more newsworthy, not even more popular just more newsworthy, as Trump’s gold medal after losing the election.
More in the news. Gets an impeachment acquittal. Yay! He’s so full of win right now.
Newsworthy got him elected the 1st time. I wouldn't discount it as if it's meaningless.
Compelling rebuttal.
It's okay, you can have this W, big guy. I know how happy it makes you. You need it after the past few months.
:lol acting like you're even part of it.
What about it? Same SC that has been skull fucking Trump non stop.
:lol Appoints 3 judges and they rule against him 3 times out of 5.
But conservatives are dishonest, right? Fuck.. RG get in here now and explain this shit.
JamStone
02-13-2021, 07:29 PM
Newsworthy got him elected the 1st time. I wouldn't discount it as if it's meaningless.
Being a liar, a bully, a petulant crybaby, a treasonous conspirator, and getting impeached for the second time is why he’s newsworthy right now.
It’s meaningless as far as being a “win” for him compared to actually “winning” the election, since you compared his newsworthiness to the current sitting POTUS.
But if that’s the ice cream sundae consolation prize argument you want to go with, cool.
daboom1
02-13-2021, 07:35 PM
https://twitter.com/EricTrump/status/1360693375549194241?s=19
ElNono
02-13-2021, 07:55 PM
:lmao
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1360694987168620546?s=19
yeah, he didn't write that
ChumpDumper
02-13-2021, 07:59 PM
https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/ODAwWDgwMA==/z/TQIAAOSwpcFfsgho/$_12.JPG?set_id=880000500FAre you going to vote for him a third time?
FrostKing
02-13-2021, 07:59 PM
:lmao
You have the house
You have the senate
You have the presidency
You mave the polls
You have the media
You have big tech
And you still cant win a conviction :lmao :lol :lmao
How the fuck do you fail so hard :lmao
https://i.ibb.co/z2ZhCbn/images.jpg
ChumpDumper
02-13-2021, 08:00 PM
But conservatives are dishonest, right? Fuck.. RG get in here now and explain this shit.Most aren't even conservative, so yeah....
hater
02-13-2021, 08:13 PM
Trump is basically a homeless obese 80 year old divorcee and democrats still cant crack him
:lmao
How pathetic can u fucking be :lol
ducks
02-13-2021, 08:17 PM
It turns out it isn’t entirely clear, and estimates vary widely. Roll Call estimates the first impeachment trial in January 2020 cost $1.83 million. Another estimate, from the Heritage Foundation, put the price tag at $3.06 million, including the salaries of not only lawmakers but 106 congressional staffers and six lawyers.
While the figure doesn't include the Senate trial, the tab through December is sharply lower than the one for the impeachment investigation and trial of President Bill Clinton two decades ago. According to CNN, the independent probe into Clinton cost taxpayers $80 million in 1994.
But the first Trump impeachment trial was much longer than the second-- the Senate debated impeaching Trump for two weeks and six days in 2020, but only five days in 2021.
https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/ODAwWDgwMA==/z/TQIAAOSwpcFfsgho/$_12.JPG?set_id=880000500F
What is this supposed to mean? Is he running for senate or something? I reckon he can win.....in Florida.
ChumpDumper
02-13-2021, 08:19 PM
It turns out it isn’t entirely clear, and estimates vary widely. Roll Call estimates the first impeachment trial in January 2020 cost $1.83 million. Another estimate, from the Heritage Foundation, put the price tag at $3.06 million, including the salaries of not only lawmakers but 106 congressional staffers and six lawyers.
While the figure doesn't include the Senate trial, the tab through December is sharply lower than the one for the impeachment investigation and trial of President Bill Clinton two decades ago. According to CNN, the independent probe into Clinton cost taxpayers $80 million in 1994.
But the first Trump impeachment trial was much longer than the second-- the Senate debated impeaching Trump for two weeks and six days in 2020, but only five days in 2021.You should be glad you lost so he can't get impeached for fucking up again.
Trump is basically a homeless obese 80 year old divorcee and democrats still cant crack him
:lmao
How pathetic can u fucking be :lol
Umm derp jr, he lost last I checked.
Ingles por favor.
Bogie
02-13-2021, 08:25 PM
Are you going to vote for him a third time?
he, and all the rest of those honest brokers derpers, will all vote for who they’re told.
then they’ll come on here and pretend they didn’t vote for it.
calling it now
pgardn
02-13-2021, 08:31 PM
Trump is basically a homeless obese 80 year old divorcee and democrats still cant crack him
:lmao
How pathetic can u fucking be :lol
He lost the latest vote by 8 million votes yas fckn idiot.
Trump lost to a guy older and an entrenched politician... but the blue team cant break what was already broken?
You go girl.
Chris Fall
02-13-2021, 08:44 PM
Trump is basically a homeless obese 80 year old divorcee and democrats still cant crack him
:lmao
How pathetic can u fucking be :lol
Uhh well he's a homeless, obese, unemployed 80 year old divorcee who lost his job and his favorite internet toys and has been humiliated in public even by former employees, confidantes, and "friends."
He wasn't "cracked" because 43 Republican Senators are bitchmade pussies.
But since he's a homeless, obese, unemployed 80 year old divorcee who lost his job and his favorite internet toys and has been humiliated in public even by former employees, confidantes, and "friends," cracking him would have been just gravy, cherry on top type of shit. It's kicking a guy while he's down. Unnecessary but fun.
Lol thinking getting acquitted in an impeachment trial is a win when he's a homeless, obese, unemployed 80 year old divorcee who lost his job and his favorite internet toys and has been humiliated in public even by former employees, confidantes, and "friends" is a win.
baseline bum
02-13-2021, 08:56 PM
The new VRA should be the litmus test. If they can’t get 10 Republicans to sign on to a bill ensuring black people can vote, then Schumer should start leaning on Sinema and Manchin.
I'd be surprised if they could get two.
baseline bum
02-13-2021, 08:57 PM
It turns out it isn’t entirely clear, and estimates vary widely. Roll Call estimates the first impeachment trial in January 2020 cost $1.83 million. Another estimate, from the Heritage Foundation, put the price tag at $3.06 million, including the salaries of not only lawmakers but 106 congressional staffers and six lawyers.
While the figure doesn't include the Senate trial, the tab through December is sharply lower than the one for the impeachment investigation and trial of President Bill Clinton two decades ago. According to CNN, the independent probe into Clinton cost taxpayers $80 million in 1994.
But the first Trump impeachment trial was much longer than the second-- the Senate debated impeaching Trump for two weeks and six days in 2020, but only five days in 2021.
How much did Trump's failed coup cost?
Uhh well he's a homeless, obese, unemployed 80 year old divorcee who lost his job and his favorite internet toys and has been humiliated in public even by former employees, confidantes, and "friends."
He wasn't "cracked" because 43 Republican Senators are bitchmade pussies.
But since he's a homeless, obese, unemployed 80 year old divorcee who lost his job and his favorite internet toys and has been humiliated in public even by former employees, confidantes, and "friends," cracking him would have been just gravy, cherry on top type of shit. It's kicking a guy while he's down. Unnecessary but fun.
Lol thinking getting acquitted in an impeachment trial is a win when he's a homeless, obese, unemployed 80 year old divorcee who lost his job and his favorite internet toys and has been humiliated in public even by former employees, confidantes, and "friends" is a win.
Just wait until these states start indicting him left and right. Derp Jr. here is going to say he "called it."
Will Hunting
02-13-2021, 09:15 PM
I'd be surprised if they could get two.
I should have said “when they can’t get...”
They wouldn’t get 1...McConnell would furiously whip the vote against it.
Will Hunting
02-13-2021, 09:17 PM
Just wait until these states start indicting him left and right. Derp Jr. here is going to say he "called it."
:lmao when he actually has to play within the rules of court and has to rely on an ambulance chasing PI lawyer.
baseline bum
02-13-2021, 09:43 PM
:lmao when he actually has to play within the rules of court and has to rely on an ambulance chasing PI lawyer.
He'll just GoFundMe a high-end lawyer then. He could have had ducks be his lawyer in the senate and nothing would have changed.
Will Hunting
02-13-2021, 09:44 PM
He'll just GoFundMe a high-end lawyer then.
The lawyers he had this time around weren’t the result of him having no money, the good law firms just didn’t want to touch him.
Being a liar, a bully, a petulant crybaby, a treasonous conspirator, and getting impeached for the second time is why he’s newsworthy right now.
It’s meaningless as far as being a “win” for him compared to actually “winning” the election, since you compared his newsworthiness to the current sitting POTUS.
But if that’s the ice cream sundae consolation prize argument you want to go with, cool.
https://i.imgur.com/O5dRG7J.png
So don't tell me negative press isn't in Trump's favor. Anyone can be tried. Trying someone and failing to convict TWICE just reinforces the right's notion that Trump is the victim of a witch hunt. They should have just let him fade away. That's what Joe wanted.
Or it could mean that the senate is filled with corrupt yes man who are afraid of their own base.
:lol at the notion that any rational thinking person can’t come to those same conclusions. Trump brings persecution on himself. No witches needed.
Or it could mean that the senate is filled with corrupt yes man who are afraid of their own base.
:lol at the notion that any rational thinking person can’t come to those same conclusions. Trump brings persecution on himself. No witches needed.
70 million people voted for him in 2020. I guess none of them were rational thinkers. Do you never learn?
70 million people voted for him in 2020. I guess none of them were rational thinkers. Do you never learn?
If there was a do over, he doesn’t get that. Hindsight and all that.
MultiTroll
02-13-2021, 10:05 PM
It turns out it isn’t entirely clear, and estimates vary widely. Roll Call estimates the first impeachment trial in January 2020 cost $1.83 million. Another estimate, from the Heritage Foundation, put the price tag at $3.06 million, including the salaries of not only lawmakers but 106 congressional staffers and six lawyers.
While the figure doesn't include the Senate trial, the tab through December is sharply lower than the one for the impeachment investigation and trial of President Bill Clinton two decades ago. According to CNN, the independent probe into Clinton cost taxpayers $80 million in 1994.
But the first Trump impeachment trial was much longer than the second-- the Senate debated impeaching Trump for two weeks and six days in 2020, but only five days in 2021.
What is the estimated dollar amount of Trumps Insurrection and aftermath?
MultiTroll
02-13-2021, 10:06 PM
70 million people voted for him in 2020. I guess none of them were rational thinkers. Do you never learn?
What % voted for Hitler?
Learn.
MultiTroll
02-13-2021, 10:11 PM
Trump is basically a homeless obese 80 year old divorcee and democrats still cant crack him
:lmao
How pathetic can u fucking be :lol
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/fi/1/14/Ralph_Wiggum.png
"I'm part of the 43% majority."
DarrinS
02-13-2021, 10:13 PM
Time to move on
ElNono
02-13-2021, 10:15 PM
70 million people voted for him in 2020.
So many ways to make a read on that. That's an indictment on the conservative movement or the democrat movement, or both?
ChumpDumper
02-13-2021, 10:17 PM
https://i.imgur.com/O5dRG7J.png
So don't tell me negative press isn't in Trump's favor. Anyone can be tried. Trying someone and failing to convict TWICE just reinforces the right's notion that Trump is the victim of a witch hunt. They should have just let him fade away. That's what Joe wanted.Do YOU think he's a victim of a witch hunt?
Yes or no.
ChumpDumper
02-13-2021, 10:19 PM
Time to move onYou still post about Black President.
DarrinS
02-13-2021, 10:23 PM
You still post about Black President.
Find the last one
ChumpDumper
02-13-2021, 10:24 PM
Find the last one
""I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage.". -Obama in 2008
Will Hunting
02-13-2021, 10:27 PM
Time to move on
When it comes to what Congress spends its time on yeah, it is, but the DCCC and the DSCC should mercilessly be reminding voters of 1/6 every day for the next 2 yrs.
DarrinS
02-13-2021, 10:28 PM
Lol, direct quote from Obama
ChumpDumper
02-13-2021, 10:28 PM
Lol, direct quote from Obamalol you posted about Obama
DarrinS
02-13-2021, 10:29 PM
When it comes to what Congress spends its time on yeah, it is, but the DCCC and the DSCC should mercilessly be reminding voters of 1/6 every day for the next 2 yrs.
??
ChumpDumper
02-13-2021, 10:29 PM
:lmao Karrin is already pretending to forget
So many ways to make a read on that. That's an indictment on the conservative movement or the democrat movement, or both?
That's a side note. The question is whether or not it's wise to discount the rationality of 70 million voters.
Karrin playing the fool.
:lol asking what 1/6 is in reference to.
That’s like being confused of the significance of 9/11.
What % voted for Hitler?
Learn.
You should stick to hacking cat litter.
ChumpDumper
02-13-2021, 10:33 PM
That's a side note. The question is whether or not it's wise to discount the rationality of 70 million voters.What are they gonna do?
Attempt to overthrow the government?
RD2191
02-13-2021, 10:34 PM
Darrin folding like DMC on a treadmill. :lol
Darrin folding like DMC on a treadmill. :lol
Like a treadmill with you on it. :lol
DarrinS
02-13-2021, 10:37 PM
Karrin playing the fool.
:lol asking what 1/6 is in reference to.
That’s like being confused of the significance of 9/11.
There it is.
Will Hunting
02-13-2021, 10:39 PM
Lost in the shuffle of impeachment is the fact we have a US House rep who’s parents are 1st cousins :lmao
ChumpDumper
02-13-2021, 10:41 PM
Lost in the shuffle of impeachment is the fact we have a US House rep who’s parents are 1st cousins :lmao:lol so on-brand
ducks
02-13-2021, 10:43 PM
You still post about Black President.
We all know he was black
You racist piece of shit
ChumpDumper
02-13-2021, 10:44 PM
We all know he was black
You racist piece of shit
There it is.
:lol
Will Hunting
02-13-2021, 10:45 PM
We all know he was black
You racist piece of shit
Speaking of someone who’s parents are probably cousins...
Bogie
02-13-2021, 10:47 PM
70 million people voted for him in 2020. I guess none of them were rational thinkers. Do you never learn?
didn’t you vote for Biden? I wouldn’t think someone who thought so little of an incumbent president, who has proven to lie as easily as you breathe, they voted for his opponent, would spend hours upon hours defending him
DarrinS
02-13-2021, 11:10 PM
Its odd to me that some dems think the riot on 1/6 was similar to 9/11
Will Hunting
02-13-2021, 11:14 PM
Its odd to me that some dems think the riot on 1/6 was similar to 9/11
It was a much bigger threat to our democracy than 9/11 was.
DarrinS
02-13-2021, 11:16 PM
It was a much bigger threat to our democracy than 9/11 was.
Keep going
ChumpDumper
02-13-2021, 11:17 PM
Its odd to me that some dems think the riot on 1/6 was similar to 9/11
Do you think the crowd did anything wrong that day, Darrin?
Will Hunting
02-13-2021, 11:19 PM
Keep going
Keep going with what? I agree with you, the two aren’t comparable. One was an existential threat to our democracy and could have sent the country into total anarchy. The other one was an Islamic terrorist attack.
Keep going
Refute it.
How is 1/6 a lesser event? Because less people died? Country was betrayed by her own president and his supporters followed.
ducks
02-13-2021, 11:25 PM
Home of Trump attorney Michael van der Veen vandalized
"Traitor" was spray painted in red on his driveway
Will Hunting
02-13-2021, 11:36 PM
Home of Trump attorney Michael van der Veen vandalized
"Traitor" was spray painted in red on his driveway
:lmao sucks to suck
Chris Fall
02-13-2021, 11:42 PM
Home of Trump attorney Michael van der Veen vandalized
"Traitor" was spray painted in red on his driveway
The Donald should have at least told them to use blue spray paint.
ElNono
02-13-2021, 11:50 PM
That's a side note. The question is whether or not it's wise to discount the rationality of 70 million voters.
Well, we would first need to establish that 70 million voters thought he was a good president, as opposed to just merely better than the alternative.
ElNono
02-13-2021, 11:51 PM
Keep going with what? I agree with you, the two aren’t comparable. One was an existential threat to our democracy and could have sent the country into total anarchy. The other one was an Islamic terrorist attack.
Agreed.
MultiTroll
02-14-2021, 12:21 AM
You should stick to hacking cat litter.
I am, I'm posting to you. :lol
ducks
02-14-2021, 12:26 AM
:lmao sucks to suck
He upheld rule of law
His bank account does not suck
didn’t you vote for Biden? I wouldn’t think someone who thought so little of an incumbent president, who has proven to lie as easily as you breathe, they voted for his opponent, would spend hours upon hours defending him
You can't escape the tribalism mentality. It's not surprising you'd think I'm defending "my side", since you've dedicated your life to the "party".
spurraider21
02-14-2021, 07:49 AM
That's a side note. The question is whether or not it's wise to discount the rationality of 70 million voters.
Did 70 million vote for the attempted coup?
Well, we would first need to establish that 70 million voters thought he was a good president, as opposed to just merely better than the alternative.
Why would you need to establish that? Since when has that ever been known?
Did 70 million vote for the attempted coup?
:lol
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 08:10 AM
:lolIt was an attack on the US government no matter how hard it makes you laugh.
It was an attack on the US government no matter how hard it makes you laugh.
:lol "coup attempt" to "attack on the US government"
What's the next regression? Forced entry?
Will Hunting
02-14-2021, 08:14 AM
He upheld rule of law
His bank account does not suck
He’s a cut rate PI lawyer. Lawyers like van der veer are the gutter rats of the legal community.
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 08:15 AM
:lol "coup attempt" to "attack on the US government"No regression, an attack on the US government is an attempted coup. Trying to stop the certification of electoral votes is a literal attack on the Constitution -- our form of government. It's also a fairly stark break from the hitherto US norm of peaceful transitions.
No regression, an attack on the US government is an attempted coup.
So when the guy scaled the wall back in 2017, that was a coup attempt as well?
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 08:18 AM
So when the guy scaled the wall back in 2017, that was a coup attempt as well?I don't recall, can you refresh my memory?
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 08:20 AM
lol DMC ignoring Trump's slow motion autogolpe
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 08:31 AM
and laughing at the events of Jan 6th.
2014 - Omar Gonzalez jumped the fence from the Pennsylvania Avenue side of the White House and entered through the North Portico doors. Upon entering he overpowered a Secret Service officer and ran through most of the main floor before he was tackled by a counter-assault agent.
February 17, 1974 – Robert K. Preston, hovered a stolen Bell UH-1B Iroquois helicopter above the grounds and was forced to land. It is unknown if he planned to enter the residence.[21][22]
December 25, 1974 – Marshall H. Fields crashed a Chevrolet Impala through the Northwest Gate of the White House complex. He drove up to the North Portico and delayed his arrest for hours by claiming to possess explosives- though they were later discovered to be flares.[23]
November 26, 1975 into 1976 – Gerald B. Gainous climbed the White House fence four times over a period of a year during the Gerald Ford administration. At one point he gained access to the grounds where he approached Susan Ford, the daughter of the president, before being arrested.[24]
July 27, 1976 – Chester Plummer, scaled the White House fence, armed with a piece of pipe.[25][full citation needed] While advancing towards the White House, he was ordered to stop by a Secret Service officer. After ignoring the order,[26] he was shot by a rookie officer,[27] and died later in the hospital from his wounds; he was the first known shooting victim on White House grounds.[28]
October 4, 1978 – Anthony Henry, dressed in a white karate outfit made his way onto the White House lawn armed with knives and was arrested.[29]
August 21, 1986 – Rosita Bourbon, scaled the northeast fence of the White House with a makeshift ladder and was arrested shortly afterwards.[30][31]
November 21, 1987 – Mike Davis, an unarmed man scaled a White House fence and made it to near the foot of a stairway that leads to the West Wing where President Reagan's office was before being arrested.[32]
September 12, 1994 – Frank Eugene Corder, crashed a stolen Cessna 150 onto the South Lawn of the White House, apparently trying to hit the building. He was the only person killed in the incident.[33]
May 24, 1995 – Leland William Modjeski, wearing a business suit and carrying an unloaded .38-caliber revolver, was shot on the White House grounds after scaling the fence. Authorities doubted that he intended to harm the president and he appeared to have psychiatric problems.[1]
December 4, 2005 – Shawn A. Cox, of Mammoth Spring, Arkansas, was immediately captured by Secret Service agents after scaling the White House fence.[34][35] Cox believed that Chelsea Clinton still lived at the White House "and that he was destined to marry her". Cox was sent to the St. Elizabeth's psychiatric hospital; a court-ordered psychiatric report found that he was "grossly psychotic and manic".[35]
February–April 2006 – Brian Lee Patterson, jumped the White House fence a total of four times.[36][37]
October 13, 2006 – Alexis Janicki, 24, of Independence, Missouri, an Iraq War veteran suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder, was arrested after climbing over the fence while in possession of marijuana.[38]
March 16, 2007 – Catalino Lucas Diaz, scaled the fence with a package and threatened officers that he had a bomb. Catalino was arrested after determining that he had no dangerous weapon.[39][40]
June 9, 2009 – Pamela Morgan, jumped the fence onto the northeast corner of the grounds while carrying a backpack. Morgan was arrested immediately and her backpack later searched and found to contain nothing dangerous.[41]
March 30, 2014 – Unidentified male, caught and arrested after climbing over the fence.[42]
August 7, 2014 – An unknown toddler squeezed through the fence, and was returned to his parents.[43]
September 11, 2014 – Jeffrey Grossman, 26, of Rensselaer, New York, scaled the fence and entered the North Lawn while carrying a Pikachu doll and wearing a Pikachu hat; he was apprehended by Secret Service agents.[44][45] Grossman did not intend to inflict harm; he suffered from schizophrenia.[46] After being arrested, he was taken to George Washington University Hospital for mental health observation.[44]
October 22, 2014 – Dominic Adesanya, formerly of Bel Air, Maryland, jumped the fence onto the north lawn and was quickly taken down by two security dogs while punching and kicking them before being arrested by the Secret Service. He was later ordered by a judge to a mental health facility.[47][48] Adesanya, who had twice jumped the White House fence in July 2014, pleaded guilty in April 2015 to entering or remaining in a restricted building or grounds and was sentenced in July 2015 to time served and one year of supervised release. Adesanya's lawyer said that he suffered from schizophrenia.[49]
November 26, 2015 – Joseph Anthony Caputo, 22, of Stamford, Connecticut, was arrested by Secret Service agents almost immediately after jumping over a White House fence as the first family was inside celebrating Thanksgiving.[50][51] Caputo had left a suicide note and will and apparently had intended to die.[52] In a plea agreement with prosecutors, Caputo pleaded guilty to one federal misdemeanor count of illegal entry of restricted grounds and was sentenced to three years' probation with various conditions.[53]
March 10, 2017 – A man carrying a backpack, later identified as Jonathan Tuan Tran, 26, of Milpitas, California, was arrested after jumping the White House fence, coming within steps of the mansion. Court papers charged Tran with "entering or remaining in restricted grounds while using or carrying a dangerous weapon" and stated that he had two cans of mace in his possession at the time of the incident.[54][55]
October 18, 2017 – Curtis Combs, 36, of Somerset, Kentucky, jumped a concrete barrier on the outer perimeter of the south grounds of the White House complex and was quickly arrested. He was dressed in a Pikachu suit.[56]
November 19, 2017 – Victor Merswin, 24, of Stafford, Virginia, jumped the bike rack and was in the process of climbing over the first security fence when he was captured and arrested by Secret Service Officers.[57]
Look at all those coup attempts
Oddly though
2020
On 9 February, President Nayib Bukele of El Salvador walked inside the national parliament with battle-geared soldiers and police officers. He left after a few minutes of praying. The political crisis was described as a coup attempt by the Assembly President Mario Ponce.[61]
On March 7, the Saudi Arabian government arrested Princes Ahmed bin Abdulaziz, Muhammad bin Nayef, Nayef bin Ahmed, Nawwaf bin Nayef and Muhammad bin Saad for allegedly planning a coup attempt.[62]
2020 Venezuela coup attempt: unsuccessful attempt by Venezuelan dissidents and an American private military company, Silvercorp USA, to infiltrate Venezuela by sea and remove Nicolás Maduro from office in Venezuela.
On 18 August, Mutinying soldiers within the Malian Army attacked the capital and the nearby army base. The soldiers arrested both the democratically elected President Ibrahim Boubacar Keïta and Prime Minister Boubou Cissé after months of anti-government protests. President Keïta resigns and dissolved both the government and parliament just after midnight.[63] A military junta was soon after installed under Colonel Assimi Goita.[64]
On 20 October, a senior army officer in Sudan announced that some retired members of the Popular Defence Forces and officers under leader Brigadier General Mohammed Ibrahim Abdul-Jalil had foiled a coup plot. The Sudanese government has not confirmed this claim.[65]
2021
2021 Myanmar coup d'état: On February 1, 2021, State Counsellor Aung San Suu Kyia and President Win Myint were arrested by the military of Myanmar. The military announced that power had been handed to Min Aung Hlaing, the commander-in-chief of the armed forces.[66] The military announced on state-run TV that they would be in control of the country for one year.[67]
No mention of 1/6/2021
:lol "coup attempt"
Histrionics on full display here.
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 08:35 AM
trying to stop electoral certification is a per se attack on the US Constitution
and laughing at the events of Jan 6th.
:lol oh the humanity.. people broke glass and carried lecturns around taking selfies.
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 08:36 AM
:lol oh the humanity.. people broke glass and carried lecturns around taking selfies.Fifty-odd policemen were hospitalized.
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 08:37 AM
you haven't watched the footage, have you?
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 08:39 AM
one officer died, two others I know of were maimed.
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 08:41 AM
*hurr durr, jus takin sum selfies*
Fifty-odd policemen were hospitalized.
you haven't watched the footage, have you?
one officer died, two others I know of were maimed.
*hurr durr, jus takin sum selfies*
You done?
Let me know when your verbal dry heaving ceases.
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 08:52 AM
nah, I was just chain-smoking your clownish tolerance of the events of Jan. 6th
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 09:03 AM
there was a question for you in there, DMC, did you watch any footage of the riot?
did it seem like just another SJW protest to you?
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 09:06 AM
DMC (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=20665): do you agree with McConnell that Trump is practically and morally culpable for what happened that day?
McConnell also mentioned that Trump is criminally and civilly liable. Any thoughts on that?
DMC (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=20665): do you agree with McConnell that Trump is practically and morally culpable for what happened that day?
McConnell also mentioned that Trump is criminally and civilly liable. Any thoughts on that?
It doesn't matter. Justice is a whore.
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 09:19 AM
It doesn't matter. Justice is a whore.just because you're disillusioned and have no values, that's no reason to blame it on the universe.
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 09:21 AM
it's a cop out too, you're such a wuss.
Bogie
02-14-2021, 09:23 AM
You can't escape the tribalism mentality. It's not surprising you'd think I'm defending "my side", since you've dedicated your life to the "party".
none of that is true, of course.
but every post you make is defending someone you didn’t even vote for, and that’s at the very least illogical.
boutons_deux
02-14-2021, 09:25 AM
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Bogie
02-14-2021, 09:27 AM
It doesn't matter. Justice is a whore.
yikes, not only are you spending all that time whatabouting, you can’t even bring yourself to even approach being critical of someone you claim you didn’t vote for.
Speaking of tribalism
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 09:29 AM
yikes, not only are you spending all that time whatabouting, you can’t even bring yourself to even approach being critical of someone you claim you didn’t vote for.
Speaking of tribalismBeing an honest broker means never saying anything mean about Republicans. Fairness to Republicans counts the most.
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 09:37 AM
DMC (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=20665): do you think it's ok to use violence to reverse an electoral defeat? One of the two major US parties seems to think so.
I just want everyone to be able see where you really stand here, you're not real big on democracy or the USA, are you?
hater
02-14-2021, 09:43 AM
DMC (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=20665): do you think it's ok to use violence to reverse an electoral defeat? One of the two major US parties seems to think so.
I just want everyone to be able see where you really stand here, you're not real big on democracy or the USA, are you?
Nobody tried to reverse the election through violence, Nancy
Some drunk trump5ards walked through capitol because they sent bicycle cops to defend it.
Your outrage should be concentrated at capitol police bosses
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 09:44 AM
Your outrage should be concentrated at capitol police bossesthis is the impeachment thread; Jan. 6th is what it's all about.
find another thread if you don't want to discuss Trumpist fascism in the US. it's hardly old news.
hater
02-14-2021, 09:48 AM
this is the impeachment thread; Jan. 6th is what it's all about.
find another thread if you don't want to discuss Trumpist fascism in the US. it's hardly old news.
Impeachment is done. It failed.
It failed mainly because you had no case. You cannot hold orange bastard personally accountable for capitol police failures. End of story
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 09:48 AM
Your outrage should be concentrated at capitol police bossesCongressional oversight will be fire, no doubt.
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 09:50 AM
Impeachment is done. It failed.
It failed mainly because you had no case. You cannot hold orange bastard personally accountable for capitol police failures. End of storylol capitol police failures
you're not very well informed about this, hater
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 09:53 AM
Assistance was requested at 1:10 pm by Capitol Police.
Drumpf's DOD didn't give permission for any troops to deploy until 3+ hours later.
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 09:54 AM
impeachment is over, but life isn't. more stuff is gonna come out related to this.
hater
02-14-2021, 10:00 AM
assistance was requested at 1:10 pm by DCCP.
Drumpf's DOD didn't give permission for any troops to deploy until 3+ hours later.
Proper amount of police should have been deployed days before the protest. Its a security fuck up and its on police bosses
hater
02-14-2021, 10:01 AM
impeachment is over, but life isn't. more stuff is gonna come out related to this.
What will come out?
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 10:04 AM
Proper amount of police should have been deployed days before the protest. Its a security fuck up and its on police bosses Capitol Police deserves its share of responisbility -- the Capitol Police chief and the Sgt at Arms have already been canned -- but putting it all on Capitol police is frankly dishonest. Capitol Police didn't start the riot, nor were they soley responsible for putting it down.
Trump had an obligation as POTUS and as Commander in Chief to defend the US Congress and uphold the Constitution. He did neither, and people died because of it.
hater
02-14-2021, 10:04 AM
If ur goal was to prove Trump deliberately prevented capitol police bosses from deploying proper troops then you should have done that in trial. Get all the capitol bosses to testify and say that Trump personally told them to stand down. Why was that not done in the trial?
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 10:08 AM
If ur goal was to prove Trump deliberately prevented capitol police bosses from deploying proper troops then you should have done that in trial. Get all the capitol bosses to testify and say that Trump personally told them to stand down. Why was that not done in the trial?Takes too long, you saw how freaked out the Senete got over one witness. Republicans would've stonewalled and dragged their feet. It would have taken months during which the Senate could conduct no other business.
There's still time for the truth to emerge, you know. There will be Congressional investigations. Probably some criminal ones too.
Will Hunting
02-14-2021, 10:09 AM
If ur goal was to prove Trump deliberately prevented capitol police bosses from deploying proper troops then you should have done that in trial. Get all the capitol bosses to testify and say that Trump personally told them to stand down. Why was that not done in the trial?
It wouldn’t have made a difference in terms of votes, and it would have jammed up the senate for months.
They presented a more than sufficient amount of evidence that Trump was happy with the insurrection and enjoyed seeing it happen.
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 10:11 AM
What will come out?no idea, I'll be watching.
Bogie
02-14-2021, 10:19 AM
Nobody tried to reverse the election through violence, Nancy
Some drunk trump5ards walked through capitol because they sent bicycle cops to defend it.
Your outrage should be concentrated at capitol police bosses
speaking of trumptards, derp jr makes his appearance to pretend he isn’t just a more literate ducks
just because you're disillusioned and have no values, that's no reason to blame it on the universe.
So because you didn't get your way, it's my fault.
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 10:25 AM
So because you didn't get your way, it's my fault.Not sure what you mean, all I did was ask you if you agreed with McConnell. Your reply was to say there is no justice in the world. :lol
Takes too long, you saw how freaked out the Senete got over one witness. Republicans would've stonewalled and dragged their feet. It would have taken months during which the Senate could conduct no other business.
There's still time for the truth to emerge, you know. There will be Congressional investigations. Probably some criminal ones too.
And the minor players with no political names will be the patsies. There will be no reckoning at the higher levels. Why do you keep torturing yourselves with this idealist mentality of equal justice? When has it ever existed?
Not sure what you mean, all I did wasI ask you if you agreed with McConnell. Your reply was to say there is no justice in the world.
Why does it matter who I agree with? You're making it about me. That's the default tactic it seems. What do my beliefs have to do with whether or not I am correct?
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 10:31 AM
And the minor players with no political names will be the patsies. There will be no reckoning at the higher levels. Why do you keep torturing yourselves with this idealist mentality of equal justice? When has it ever existed?pure protection , no one's talking about idealism or equal justice.
Do legal and political accountability bother you as such, or only as they may apply to Donald Trump?
Bogie
02-14-2021, 10:32 AM
Not sure what you mean, all I did was ask you if you agreed with McConnell. Your reply was to say there is no justice in the world. :lol
answering that question would require him to approach possibly being critical of trump. You know that’s not happening.
but he will run the standard rw schtick of protecting arguments that he’s guilty of
pure protection , no one's talking about idealism or equal justice.
Does legal and political accountability for Donald Trump bother you?
Legal and political accountability for everyone is important. It didn't start nor will it end with Donald Trump. Just show me when it's existed or explain how it ever will.
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 10:34 AM
Why does it matter who I agree with? You're making it about me. That's the default tactic it seems. What do my beliefs have to do with whether or not I am correct?One of your really odd traits is they way you keep insisting that an opinion board is the wrong place for opinions. Maybe it's just an excuse for hiding yours.
hater
02-14-2021, 10:36 AM
It wouldn’t have made a difference in terms of votes, and it would have jammed up the senate for months.
They presented a more than sufficient amount of evidence that Trump was happy with the insurrection and enjoyed seeing it happen.
If they wanted to win the case they should have done it. So you admit they didnt really want to win.
hater
02-14-2021, 10:37 AM
no idea, I'll be watching.
Good luck w that :lol
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 10:38 AM
Legal and political accountability for everyone is important. It didn't start nor will it end with Donald Trump. Just show me when it's existed or explain how it ever will.*accountability has never existed, why start now?* :lol
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 10:40 AM
(Someone remind DMC of this opinion next time there's a crime committed at a public rally)
Will Hunting
02-14-2021, 10:41 AM
If they wanted to win the case they should have done it. So you admit they didnt really want to win.
There was no way they were going to win after McConnell announced he was voting to acquit (which came before the decision to not call witnesses). You’re being purposefully obtuse pretending there was any scenario where they’d get 67 votes, but it’s no surprise that a MAGAtard can’t have a discussion in good faith.
Now that the trial is over Merrick Garland can get confirmed and he can start going after insurrectionist MAGAtards and Trump himself.
hater
02-14-2021, 10:50 AM
There was no way they were going to win after McConnell announced he was voting to acquit (which came before the decision to not call witnesses). You’re being purposefully obtuse pretending there was any scenario where they’d get 67 votes, but it’s no surprise that a MAGAtard can’t have a discussion in good faith.
Now that the trial is over Merrick Garland can get confirmed and he can start going after insurrectionist MAGAtards and Trump himself.
Had there been a case they could have won. They failed to prove Donald ordered his capitol police to stand down and failed to prove donald ordered his retards to attack the capitol.
The case failed. U can blame the jury all day ,but in the end they failed to prove the case. End of story.
Will Hunting
02-14-2021, 10:58 AM
Had there been a case they could have won. They failed to prove Donald ordered his capitol police to stand down and failed to prove donald ordered his retards to attack the capitol.
The case failed. U can blame the jury all day ,but in the end they failed to prove the case. End of story.
Trump has no jurisdiction over the Capitol Police you fucking retard :lmao, you’re literally saying they could have proven the impossible.
hater
02-14-2021, 10:58 AM
Trump has no jurisdiction over the Capitol Police you fucking retard :lmao, you’re literally saying they could have proven the impossible.
:lol thanks for clarifying you had no case :lol
Will Hunting
02-14-2021, 11:00 AM
:lol thanks for clarifying you had no case :lol
:lol thanks for clarifying you’re a retarded spic who has no idea what he’s talking about :lol
hater
02-14-2021, 11:01 AM
:lol thanks for clarifying you’re a retarded spic who has no idea what he’s talking about :lol
:lol still better than believing you had a case and Trump was gonna get convicted :lol
Will Hunting
02-14-2021, 11:02 AM
:lmao “THEY NEEDED TO PROVE TRUMP ORDERED A POLICE DEPARTMENT HE HAS NO CONTROL OVER!!!”
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 11:02 AM
:lol still better than believing you had a case and Trump was gonna get convicted :lolpredicted exactly no one ITTT
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 11:03 AM
hater is a low information payaso
hater
02-14-2021, 11:03 AM
:lmao “THEY NEEDED TO PROVE TRUMP ORDERED A POLICE DEPARTMENT HE HAS NO CONTROL OVER!!!”
U just obliterated ur case of convicting trump with that statement :lol
Will Hunting
02-14-2021, 11:03 AM
:lol still better than believing you had a case and Trump was gonna get convicted :lol
:lol admitting you’re a retarded spic:lol
Point to where I said Trump would get convicted. I said all along that it’d come down to McConnell. McConnell effectively said that the impeachment managers proved their case but he believed the senate has no jurisdiction.
hater
02-14-2021, 11:04 AM
hater is a low information payaso
:lol lots of tears from you last couple of days
Things will get better brah :lol
hater
02-14-2021, 11:04 AM
:lol admitting you’re a retarded spic:lol
Point to where I said Trump would get convicted. I said all along that it’d come down to McConnell. McConnell effectively said that the impeachment managers proved their case but he believed the senate has no jurisdiction.
:lol believing anything Mcconell says
Ure a retard brah
Will Hunting
02-14-2021, 11:06 AM
:lol believing anything Mcconell says
Ure a retard brah
You just said I shouldn’t blame the jury, now you’re saying the most important juror in the room is dishonest and shouldn’t be believed. Pick a lane Jose.
Leetonidas
02-14-2021, 11:08 AM
:lol not a single person on this forum thought he would actually be convicted
hater
02-14-2021, 11:10 AM
You just said I shouldn’t blame the jury, now you’re saying the most important juror in the room is dishonest and shouldn’t be believed. Pick a lane Jose.
Wait. U trust Mcconell???
Wow
Of course nobody in there should be trusted. They are all snakes. But IMO that would not have mattered if they were able to prove their case. The prosecution failed to prove their case thus the snakes voted the way they did.
If u claim and believe they did prove the case. Please provide the information as to what exactly they proved?
Bogie
02-14-2021, 11:13 AM
:lol lots of tears from you last couple of days
Things will get better brah :lol
You’re literally derp jr
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 11:18 AM
:lol lots of tears from you last couple of days
Things will get better brah :lolNo tears, just disappointment in Congressional Republicans for turning a blind eye to Trump's dereliction of duty, his attack on the US Constitution and the mayhem of his fascist thugs. This result was unsurprising, tbh.
Will Hunting
02-14-2021, 11:19 AM
Wait. U trust Mcconell???
Wow
Of course nobody in there should be trusted. They are all snakes. But IMO that would not have mattered if they were able to prove their case. The prosecution failed to prove their case thus the snakes voted the way they did.
If u claim and believe they did prove the case. Please provide the information as to what exactly they proved?
Are you really this incapable of having a coherent discussion? I never said I trusted McConnell, my entire point is that they had no path towards 67 votes because McConnell is to use your word a snake.
:lmao “IMO that would not have mattered if they were able to prove their case” is maybe the most retarded/naive thing I’ve ever read on this forum. 45 senators voted to dismiss the case before the trial even started. The fact they were able to change the minds of 2 of those senators was actually impressive.
The positions you’ve taken are completely contradictory and backwards. Your response to McConnell basically saying the impeachment managers proved their case is that he’s a snake and shouldn’t be believed, and now you’re saying that if they’d proven their case McConnell (the same snake who ostensibly lied about them having proven their case) has enough integrity where he would have been forced to convict.
Youre flinging random talking points and fortune cookie assumptions at the wall with zero regard for whether they align with everything else you’re saying.
hater
02-14-2021, 11:21 AM
No tears, just disappointment in Congressional Republicans for turning a blind eye to Trump's dereliction of duty and the mayhem of his fascist thugs. This result was unsurprising, tbh.
Do u really think Dump.woulda been convicted with any other jury? I dont. They didnt have a case and I dont think they get a conviction anywhere tbqh
hater
02-14-2021, 11:23 AM
Are you really this incapable of having a coherent discussion? I never said I trusted McConnell, my entire point is that they had no path towards 67 votes because McConnell is to use your word a snake.
:lmao “IMO that would not have mattered if they were able to prove their case” is maybe the most retarded/naive thing I’ve ever read on this forum. 45 senators voted to dismiss the case before the trial even started. The fact they were able to change the minds of 2 of those senators was actually impressive.
The positions you’ve taken are completely contradictory and backwards. Your response to McConnell basically saying the impeachment managers proved their case is that he’s a snake and shouldn’t be believed, and now you’re saying that if they’d proven their case McConnell (the same snake who ostensibly lied about them having proven their case) has enough integrity where he would have been forced to convict.
Youre flinging random talking points and fortune cookie assumptions at the wall with zero regard for whether they align with everything else you’re saying.
What was proven? What was dump guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of?
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 11:28 AM
Do u really think Dump.woulda been convicted with any other jury? I dont. They didnt have a case and I dont think they get a conviction anywhere tbqhImpeachment isn't a court of law. I thought they made the case, a clear majority of the US Senate did too. If you don't think it was a putsch you lack a conscience, a spine or a properly functioning brain.
It remains to seen what legal hazards DJT will face, no predictions there, a lot of things could happen. I can think of few people more deserving of the antagonism than DJT.
Adam Lambert
02-14-2021, 11:31 AM
Do u really think Dump.woulda been convicted with any other jury? I dont. They didnt have a case and I dont think they get a conviction anywhere tbqh
Yes he would have been convicted with any other jury.
Did you see his lawyers?
(You don't have to answer, it's going to be bad faith uninformed trolling bullshit as usual but I just wanted to respond for the record.)
Will Hunting
02-14-2021, 11:32 AM
What was proven? What was dump guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of?
Beyond a reasonable doubt isn’t the set burden of proof for an impeachment trial. There’s conflicting constitutional interpretations over the standard of proof needed, but the idea that they needed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt is wrong. Beyond a reasonable doubt is the standard for when you’re trying to take away someone’s civil liberties, which isn’t happening here.
The fact Trump’s lawyers stipulated to allowing hearsay into evidence (something a half decent lawyer would never do) that Trump was on the phone with McCarthy and refused to send the national guard while expressing delight about what was happening is sufficient to prove by a preponderance of evidence. That and other actions taken after the insurrection started, including tweeting out that Mike Pence didn’t come through for him when he knew Mike Pence’s life was in danger, make it clear he liked what he was seeing. Further, the fact that the protest permit for January 6th did NOT include a March towards the Capitol shows me that the insurrectionists went to the Capitol at Trump’s direction.
Dont feel like outlining everything but those are notable examples of evidence.
hater
02-14-2021, 11:38 AM
Beyond a reasonable doubt isn’t the set burden of proof for an impeachment trial. There’s conflicting constitutional interpretations over the standard of proof needed, but the idea that they needed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt is wrong. Beyond a reasonable doubt is the standard for when you’re trying to take away someone’s civil liberties, which isn’t happening here.
The fact Trump’s lawyers stipulated to allowing hearsay into evidence (something a half decent lawyer would never do) that Trump was on the phone with McCarthy and refused to send the national guard while expressing delight about what was happening is sufficient to prove by a preponderance of evidence. That and other actions taken after the insurrection started, including tweeting out that Mike Pence didn’t come through for him when he knew Mike Pence’s life was in danger, make it clear he liked what he was seeing. Further, the fact that the protest permit for January 6th did NOT include a March towards the Capitol shows me that the insurrectionists went to the Capitol at Trump’s direction.
Dont feel like outlining everything but those are notable examples of evidence.
That just proved Trump is an asshole tbqh. No need for a trial I think we can all aggree beyond a reasonable doubt hes an asshole.
But him directing his retards to attack the capitol, imo was not proven. I just dont see how that can be proven besides having recordee evidence of him sayin go in the capitol and take the lawmakers hostage or kill them.
Will Hunting
02-14-2021, 11:39 AM
Susan Collins/Murkowski flat out asked Trump’s lawyers to specifically list every action Trump took to stop the insurrection once it had started, and they had nothing to say. That was what made Collins/Murkowski decide to convict, the fact Trump’s lawyers couldn’t articulate so much as one specific action he took to stop the insurrection beyond a video he posted on twitter where he called the insurrectionists very special people.
If every juror went into it with the same impartial mindset they had (even though they’re from the same party as Trump and in the case of Murkowski are going to face political consequences over it) there would have been more than enough votes to convict.
Of the 4 Republicans who announced theyre retiring in ‘22, 2 of them voted to convict, so the impeachment managers got 50% of the GOP senators who weren’t worried about political ramifications. If they got 50% of all GOP senators, they’d have their conviction.
hater
02-14-2021, 11:42 AM
Susan Collins/Murkowski flat out asked Trump’s lawyers to specifically list every action Trump took to stop the insurrection once it had started, and they had nothing to say. That was what made them to decide to convict, the fact Trump’s lawyers couldn’t articulate so much as one specific action he took to stop the insurrection beyond a video he posted on twitter where he called the insurrectionists very special people.
If every juror went into it with the same impartial mindset they had (even though they’re from the same party as Trump and in the case of Murkowski are going to face political consequences over it) there would have been more than enough votes to convict.
Him failing to stop it does not make him guilty of planning it or ordering it tbqh
Will Hunting
02-14-2021, 11:45 AM
Him failing to stop it does not make him guilty of planning it or ordering it tbqh
It’s pretty damning evidence and he didn’t just fail to stop it, he knowingly allowed it to go on and knowing left Pence + congress hung out to dry because he was pleased with how the insurrections were fighting for him (again, that’s all in the evidence that his lawyers stipulated to).
If I get caught trying to dump a dead body in the woods it doesn’t in and of itself make me guilty of murder, but I’ve got an uphill battle exonerating myself.
baseline bum
02-14-2021, 11:48 AM
Susan Collins/Murkowski flat out asked Trump’s lawyers to specifically list every action Trump took to stop the insurrection once it had started, and they had nothing to say. That was what made Collins/Murkowski decide to convict, the fact Trump’s lawyers couldn’t articulate so much as one specific action he took to stop the insurrection beyond a video he posted on twitter where he called the insurrectionists very special people.
If every juror went into it with the same impartial mindset they had (even though they’re from the same party as Trump and in the case of Murkowski are going to face political consequences over it) there would have been more than enough votes to convict.
Of the 4 Republicans who announced theyre retiring in ‘22, 2 of them voted to convict, so the impeachment managers got 50% of the GOP senators who weren’t worried about political ramifications. If they got 50% of all GOP senators, they’d have their conviction.
I think Murkowski would have faced more consequences over not convicting. She's sure to have a Trumptard primary challenge no matter what, and there is no way she didn't get a ton of Alaskan Democrat votes in 2016 to keep Joe Miller from taking the seat. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see her run as an independent in 2022. She desperately needs Democrat crossover votes to keep her seat.
Will Hunting
02-14-2021, 11:52 AM
I think Murkowski would have faced more consequences over not convicting. She's sure to have a Trumptard primary challenge no matter what, and there is no way she didn't get a ton of Alaskan Democrat votes in 2016 to keep Joe Miller from taking the seat. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see her run as an independent in 2022. She desperately needs Democrat crossover votes to keep her seat.
Yeah I don’t get why she doesn’t caucus with the Dems at this point but I’m sure it’s big oil related.
ChumpDumper
02-14-2021, 12:07 PM
:lol oh the humanity.. people broke glass and carried lecturns around taking selfies.
Why do you feel the need to downplay the murder of a policeman?
I'd like an actual explanation from you without your usual whataboutism and tantrums.
One of your really odd traits is they way you keep insisting that an opinion board is the wrong place for opinions. Maybe it's just an excuse for hiding yours.
I could hide mine without posting, wouldn't that make more sense?
I can have an opinion without needing to lay my personal beliefs out for inspection. Truth be told, you and a few others here just need more ammo for retorts. This is why you keep going after the personal belief angle instead of sticking to facts.
ChumpDumper
02-14-2021, 12:16 PM
Only derp is more afraid to say what he believes when asked.:lol
The fact is you completely ignored the violence at the Capitol including the murder of a policeman when describing the events of that day.
Why?
It’s pretty damning evidence and he didn’t just fail to stop it, he knowingly allowed it to go on and knowing left Pence + congress hung out to dry because he was pleased with how the insurrections were fighting for him (again, that’s all in the evidence that his lawyers stipulated to).
If I get caught trying to dump a dead body in the woods it doesn’t in and of itself make me guilty of murder, but I’ve got an uphill battle exonerating myself.
Him issuing a statement would be tantamount to admitting he orchestrated it. He didn't want it to stop, was enjoying the theater, and he didn't want to admit he had anything to do with it. I still think the GOP is going to deep six him pretty soon.
Yeah I don’t get why she doesn’t caucus with the Dems at this point but I’m sure it’s big oil related.
Because she still votes with republicans 80 percent of the time.
Her not liking Trump is not enough of a reason to switch parties.
ChumpDumper
02-14-2021, 12:20 PM
Him issuing a statement would be tantamount to admitting he orchestrated it. He didn't want it to stop, was enjoying the theater, and he didn't want to admit he had anything to do with it. I still think the GOP is going to deep six him pretty soon.
:lol look at all those personal beliefs you just laid out.
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 12:22 PM
I could hide mine without posting, wouldn't that make more sense?
I can have an opinion without needing to lay my personal beliefs out for inspection. Truth be told, you and a few others here just need more ammo for retorts. This is why you keep going after the personal belief angle instead of sticking to facts.Nah, Chumpdumper is right, you duck most of the tough facts and questions. You certainly have in this thread.
Bogie
02-14-2021, 12:25 PM
Him failing to stop it does not make him guilty of planning it or ordering it tbqh
pretending you’re not a trumper. Derp jr
Nah, Chumpdumper is right, you duck most of the tough facts and questions. You certainly have in this thread.
I will not be pawed at. Certainly not by the likes of you and I don't even read most of what Trumphumper says.
pretending you’re not a trumper. Derp jr
Jefferyiffic :lol
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 12:29 PM
I will not be pawed at. Certainly not by the likes of you and I don't even read most of what Trumphumper says.Yeah, you just ignore posters who ask tough questions. It's a conspicuous habit, it does not reflect well on your intellectual honesty
:cry muh personal attack ammo
baseline bum
02-14-2021, 12:32 PM
I still think the GOP is going to deep six him pretty soon.
Um, this was their one and only chance to keep him from running. They can't do it now, he's their most popular member. If he wants the 2024 nomination he's getting the 2024 nomination.
Um, this was their one and only chance to keep him from running. They can't do it now, he's their most popular member. If he wants the 2024 nomination he's getting the 2024 nomination.
They can't have their former guy impeached. They will run Pence next time. Trump will run as an independent.
Will Hunting
02-14-2021, 12:35 PM
Him issuing a statement would be tantamount to admitting he orchestrated it. He didn't want it to stop, was enjoying the theater, and he didn't want to admit he had anything to do with it. I still think the GOP is going to deep six him pretty soon.
I’m not talking about him issuing a statement, I’m talking about him ignoring requests to call in the national guard.
Bogie
02-14-2021, 12:35 PM
I will not be pawed at. Certainly not by the likes of you and I don't even read most of what Trumphumper says.
We’ve arrived at the point where all the shits people have taken on you, have you all mad.
now you’ll pout and try to lash out because you know what an dishonest intellectual lightweight you truly are, and it hurts you to your core
why lie about being a trumper? It makes no sense
Yeah, you just ignore posters who ask tough questions. It's a conspicuous habit, it does not reflect well on your intellectual honesty
:lol what happened to the "coward" comment, why edit it?
:lol speaking of intellectual honesty
Will Hunting
02-14-2021, 12:36 PM
They can't have their former guy impeached. They will run Pence next time. Trump will run as an independent.
Not a chance Mike Penis can get the nomination now after Trump turned on him. I doubt he even runs, chances are he wants to fade away and just live peacefully now (couldn’t say I blame him if that’s the case).
baseline bum
02-14-2021, 12:37 PM
They can't have their former guy impeached. They will run Pence next time. Trump will run as an independent.
That's retarded. The GOP will unify around him because if Trump runs as an independent he burns both them and himself down to the ground.
We’ve arrived at the point where all the shits people have taken on you, have you all mad.
now you’ll pout and try to lash out because you know what an dishonest intellectual lightweight you truly are, and it hurts you to your core
why lie about being a trumper? It makes no sense
Why lie about being Bonnerific?
"Bogie"... :lol
Will Hunting
02-14-2021, 12:38 PM
And yeah if Trump runs in 2024 he wins the nom assuming he isn’t in completely deteriorating health by then.
That's retarded. The GOP will unify around him because if Trump runs as an independent he burns both them and himself down to the ground.
He knows that. It would be suicide to run someone who has been through 2 impeachment trials and had the exit he had during COVID. Pence makes Sense. It even rhymes.
baseline bum
02-14-2021, 12:39 PM
:lol oh the humanity.. people broke glass and carried lecturns around taking selfies.
And murdered a cop, beat another cop with an American flag, gouged out the eye of a cop, crushed another cops fingers, were looking to hang Mike Pence, etc.
Will Hunting
02-14-2021, 12:40 PM
He knows that. It would be suicide to run someone who has been through 2 impeachment trials and had the exit he had during COVID. Pence makes Sense. It even rhymes.
After the last 4 yrs I’ve given up on trying to determine what’s political suicide :lol
baseline bum
02-14-2021, 12:40 PM
He knows that. It would be suicide to run someone who has been through 2 impeachment trials and had the exit he had during COVID. Pence makes Sense. It even rhymes.
Trump is still the most popular Republican among GOP voters. He is the party. He's going nowhere. If the GOP was going to rid of him their only chance was yesterday and they blew it.
And murdered a cop, beat another cop with an American flag, gouged out the eye of a cop, crushed another cops fingers, were looking to hang Mike Pence, etc.
Happened all across America in 2020, don't see anyone here flying the missing man formation because of it.
Bogie
02-14-2021, 12:41 PM
Why lie about being Bonnerific?
"Bogie"... :lol
as I was saying. Right on queue. Your insecurity is so very predictable. You refuse to answer simple questions because doing so is an admission that you’re self proclaimation was dishonest
baseline bum
02-14-2021, 12:41 PM
Happened all across America in 2020, don't see anyone here flying the missing man formation because of it.
Happened in the Capitol with Trump's brownshirts
After the last 4 yrs I’ve given up on trying to determine what’s political suicide :lol
I don't think he has the same voter base he had in the election. He has a lot of them, for sure, but a lot of people vote straight ticket and those vocal minority just get the face time.
Happened in the Capitol with Trump's brownshirts
But you think he's going to win the GOP nomination in 2024.
Doesn’t matter what the GOP does with Trump or Pence. Dems are looking prime for re-election.
When your backups are Hawley, Cruz, Cotton, etc you’re fucked.
as I was saying. Right on queue. Your insecurity is so very predictable. You refuse to answer simple questions because doing so is an admission that you’re
Why did you create an alt and return to a forum after being permanently banned due to melting down constantly? Let's start there. You don't deserve any real conversation.
Doesn’t matter what the GOP does with Trump or Pence. Dems are looking prime for re-election.
When your backups are Hawley, Cruz, Cotton, etc you’re fucked.
4 years is a long time. Calling something "prime" this early is naïve.
Bogie
02-14-2021, 12:47 PM
Why did you create an alt and return to a forum after being permanently banned due to melting down constantly? Let's start there. You don't deserve any real conversation.
why do you refuse to answer simple questions?
Lash out fraud. What else have you lied about in creating your self worth on Spurstalk?
4 years is a long time. Calling something "prime" this early is naïve.
So you think the Republican Party is just going to go back to regular business after all this? They have too many indoctrinated house members and enough senators to make that almost impossible.
LkrFan
02-14-2021, 12:50 PM
Mountains of evidence ignored by the GQP because they are qompromised qowards. Following Tumptards, here's a quick recap:
2018 - loss the House
2020 - loss the Senate
2020 - loss the White House
But by siding with Trump and his insurrectionists, some how 2022 gonna be better?
I didn't expect the spineless to honor their oaths so this ain't suprising.
Bring on the Criminal cases, civil cases and some dude named Robert Mueller. Oh: and SDNY.
Will Hunting
02-14-2021, 12:51 PM
4 years is a long time. Calling something "prime" this early is naïve.
If Biden runs again and the economy is recovered from COVID, I think it’d be pretty tough to beat him in 2024. I can’t think of an example from like the last 100 yrs where an incumbent in a good economy lost.
So you think the Republican Party is just going to go back to regular business after all this? They have too many indoctrinated house members and enough senators to make that almost impossible.
Yes I do. There will be some spinoffs from what some politicians thinks is political hay material that Trump was pushing, but all in all it will be SOP.
If Biden runs again and the economy is recovered from COVID, I think it’d be pretty tough to beat him in 2024. I can’t think of an example from like the last 100 yrs where an incumbent in a good economy lost.
That's a lot of "ifs". Biden has almost zero presidential record ATM. At least he doesn't tweet. That gets my vote.
Will Hunting
02-14-2021, 12:59 PM
It hasn’t even been a full month but the GOP already seems to be struggling to land body blows on Biden vs. 2009 when the deficit hawks were able to neuter black president’s ability to pass any stimulus. Biden has a much smaller majority in both houses but is gonna be able to pass a $1.9 trillion stimulus Obama could never even dream of.
why do you refuse to answer simple questions?
Lash out fraud. What else have you lied about in creating your self worth on Spurstalk?
Until you can explain why you're pretending to be someone else, you don't get anything.
It hasn’t even been a full month but the GOP already seems to be struggling to land body blows on Biden vs. 2009 when the deficit hawks were able to neuter black president’s ability to pass any stimulus. Biden has a much smaller majority in both houses but is gonna be able to pass a $1.9 trillion stimulus Obama could never even dream of.
I think Obama would have been able to under the same circumstances. Biden is more of an insider, I think, than was Obama at the time, and has a lot more political power because of it. He probably knows where all the bodies are buried.
ChumpDumper
02-14-2021, 01:03 PM
Not a chance Mike Penis can get the nomination now after Trump turned on him. I doubt he even runs, chances are he wants to fade away and just live peacefully now (couldn’t say I blame him if that’s the case).
:lol dude is in hiding and sweating over having to hire a permanent security detail after his Secret Service protection expires. He just leapfrogged the squad members and became the most likely politician to be assassinated.
Will Hunting
02-14-2021, 01:04 PM
That's a lot of "ifs". Biden has almost zero presidential record ATM. At least he doesn't tweet. That gets my vote.
It’s definitely an if but the economy will be able to do a lot of recovering on its own once enough people get vaccinated, it’s not like the recession Obama inherited which was a true credit crunch and needed more government help than it got.
Obama got re-elected despite a woefully unproductive first term. If Biden gets this $1.9 trillion stimulus done and can also get infrastructure done this year (and Manchin already said he wants $4 trillion of infrastructure, so he’ll be able to get that done through reconciliation too), he’s already had a more productive first term than Obama.
Trump is still the most popular Republican among GOP voters. He is the party. He's going nowhere. If the GOP was going to rid of him their only chance was yesterday and they blew it.
Trump is done and knows he has zero chance of getting back to the WH. He lost by 7M votes before the big mascarade and managed to get the GOP to lose Georgia. His fanbase is still important but he lost a lot of traditional GOP voters that have enough of him. And when people say 70% of republican voters believe the election was rigged, that's means 30% (or so) don't. He won't take the risk to get humiliated again.
ChumpDumper
02-14-2021, 01:05 PM
Happened all across America in 2020, don't see anyone here flying the missing man formation because of it.:lmao there's that whataboutism!
Why did you choose to completely ignore his murder when you described the events of 1/6?
MultiTroll
02-14-2021, 01:07 PM
"What we needed was more senators with spines, not more witnesses."
Del. Stacey Plaskett (D-V.I.) said on CNN's "State of the Union" that she believed she and her colleagues had convinced the majority of GOP senators of Trump's guilt in inciting the deadly riot at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, pointing to Minority Leader Mitch McConnel's (R-Ky.) statement excoriating the former president after Trump was acquitted on Saturday.
"He agreed with us, they all agreed with us," Plaskett said Sunday.
Bogie
02-14-2021, 01:07 PM
Doesn’t matter what the GOP does with Trump or Pence. Dems are looking prime for re-election.
When your backups are Hawley, Cruz, Cotton, etc you’re fucked.
trump will function as both king maker, and career destroyer, in the r party for at least the foreseeable future
but he doesn’t care about anyone but himself. So now it’s kiss the ring for positioning in the party for when he dies
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 01:10 PM
:lmao there's that whataboutism!
Why did you choose to completely ignore his murder when you described the events of 1/6?DMC also glides over the fifty six officers hospitalized by Trump's zanies and the hundred or so others who were injured.
Those same people wanted to impeach him for a phone call. The partisanship means no real justice will be served. Parties stick together, right or wrong. It's only about majority. Getting 7 to crossover is odd but what does it say when the "belief" tied to votes runs so cleanly down party lines?
DMC also glides over the fifty six officers hospitalized by Trump's zanies and the hundred or so others who were injured.
More Than 2,000 Officers Injured in Summer's Protests and Riots
More than 400 law enforcement officers injured in riots across U.S., 2 dead
Now you care.
Will Hunting
02-14-2021, 01:22 PM
Those same people wanted to impeach him for a phone call. The partisanship means no real justice will be served. Parties stick together, right or wrong. It's only about majority. Getting 7 to crossover is odd but what does it say when the "belief" tied to votes runs so cleanly down party lines?
The impeachment last year was retarded, I pretty much ignored it. I’m sure what he did was impeachable but there wasn’t much public outrage about it, conviction was never going to happen, and Adam Schitt + fat tub of shit Jerry Nadler were awful at presenting their case.
I know you disagree but I think Trump’s actions this time around are where the rare bipartisan impeachment should have happened. I will say that I heard yesterday they can invoke 14(3) with a simple majority vote and if that’s the case then I’m not sure why they went forward with impeachment, they should have just skipped to 14(3) if that’s constitutionally allowed.
Bogie
02-14-2021, 01:24 PM
Until you can explain why you're pretending to be someone else, you don't get anything.
Temper tantrums from a supposed grandfather
you don’t have to answer me dude. You refuse to answer anyone’s simple questions. We all know you lied about who you voted for, the fact that you’ll do anything and everything to avoid owning it is pathetically funny and sad at the same time.
and speaks volumes about how important trying to defend your self assigned image on here truly is to you.
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 01:28 PM
More Than 2,000 Officers Injured in Summer's Protests and Riots
More than 400 law enforcement officers injured in riots across U.S., 2 dead
Now you care.Yep. I don't condone or apologize for violence.
Do you?
ChumpDumper
02-14-2021, 01:32 PM
More Than 2,000 Officers Injured in Summer's Protests and Riots
More than 400 law enforcement officers injured in riots across U.S., 2 dead
Now you care.I denounced the violence before I was even asked.
So you don't care about any of them?
Let us know YOUR opinion.
Yep. I don't condone or apologize for violence.
Do you?
You started so many threads about it.
Silence is your vote. You glided for a year over it.
Temper tantrums from a supposed grandfather
you don’t have to answer me dude. You refuse to answer anyone’s simple questions. We all know you lied about who you voted for, the fact that you’ll do anything and everything to avoid owning it is pathetically funny and sad at the same time.
and speaks volumes about how important trying to defend your self assigned image on here truly is to you.
You're not even a legit poster yet you assume some kinsman ship here.
ChumpDumper
02-14-2021, 01:36 PM
You started so many threads about it.
Silence is your vote.:lmao goalpost move after goalpost move
Why did you choose to completely ignore the policeman's murder when you described the events of 1/6?
Was silence your vote?
pgardn
02-14-2021, 01:44 PM
Those same people wanted to impeach him for a phone call. The partisanship means no real justice will be served. Parties stick together, right or wrong. It's only about majority. Getting 7 to crossover is odd but what does it say when the "belief" tied to votes runs so cleanly down party lines?
Oh yeah.
Thats all it was, just an everyday phone call.
Such a disingenuous partisan. I dont give my personal opinions but I will sneak in.... well opinions... just a phone call... gtfoh.
boutons_deux
02-14-2021, 01:52 PM
43 Radical GQP Senators Stand
With Trump,
Capitol Rioters,
Cop Killers
In the end, no one got what they wanted –
but they were able to push off the worst of what they did not want.
https://www.dcreport.org/2021/02/13/43-radical-gqp-senators-back-capitol-riots-cop-killers/
baseline bum
02-14-2021, 01:56 PM
Trump is done and knows he has zero chance of getting back to the WH. He lost by 7M votes before the big mascarade and managed to get the GOP to lose Georgia. His fanbase is still important but he lost a lot of traditional GOP voters that have enough of him. And when people say 70% of republican voters believe the election was rigged, that's means 30% (or so) don't. He won't take the risk to get humiliated again.
He's not done, he is the GOP. I get so tired of people underestimating him. 7 million votes doesn't mean shit, it's not how the US elects the president.
baseline bum
02-14-2021, 01:57 PM
But you think he's going to win the GOP nomination in 2024.
I do, presuming he's alive. Republican voters love him. He taps into their inner snowflake.
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 02:01 PM
You started so many threads about it.
Silence is your vote. You glided for a year over it.Nah, you weren't paying attention to my actual trend of posting, as usual -- I don't consider assaulting police to be legitimate protest, in case you were wondering.
He's not done, he is the GOP. I get so tired of people underestimating him. 7 million votes doesn't mean shit, it's not how the US elects the president.
Nah, he’s done.
If losing the House, the senate, the presidency, 2 red states can’t convince you then that’s on you.
Everyone Trump personally campaigned for lost. You’re right that he’s the owner of the GOP though. It doesn’t mean he wins.
Will Hunting
02-14-2021, 02:06 PM
Trump was <50,000 votes away from winning a 2nd term, and he found voters the GOP didn’t even know existed. It’s too late for the GOP to try and throw him away, they’ve already lost too many suburb voters who aren’t coming back. If they try and run someone like Nikki Haley in 2024 they won’t get anywhere near as many suburb votes as they need while the deplorables will stay home.
ChumpDumper
02-14-2021, 02:10 PM
The working 2024 theory for the QOP is 2020 Trumpism + new voter suppression measures = victory.
It can easily work.
That’s even without the caveat he survives the inevitable charges he’s going to face in multiple states.
Cant hide behind presidential immunity anymore.
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 02:12 PM
:lmao goalpost move after goalpost move
Why did you choose to completely ignore the policeman's murder when you described the events of 1/6?
Was silence your vote?it appears silence was his vote.
Winehole23
02-14-2021, 02:13 PM
The working 2024 theory for the QOP is 2020 Trumpism + new voter suppression measures = victory.
It can easily work.It nearly did this time.
Will Hunting
02-14-2021, 02:13 PM
If the GOP voted to convict, I think they would have had a window to win some suburb voters back, but the vote to acquit pushes them to the point of no return.
There’s already a MAGAtard candidate in both Ohio and NC running for Portman’s seat and Burr’s seat, Doug Collins is prob the favorite to run against Warnock, while one of three crazies (Biggs Gosar and Kelli Ward) are the probable Arizona candidate in 2022. The train is completely off the tracks now.
Yes I do. There will be some spinoffs from what some politicians thinks is political hay material that Trump was pushing, but all in all it will be SOP.
:lol
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Works for me. More MAGA riots and lunacy=more ground gained for us.
You're stuck with Trump and his minions for years. You might have to come up with a new party. The GOP is Trump's.
Oh yeah.
Thats all it was, just an everyday phone call.
Such a disingenuous partisan. I dont give my personal opinions but I will sneak in.... well opinions... just a phone call... gtfoh.
Yes a phone call. Shit happens every day in Washington only this past admin has more than it's fair share of rats. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
If the GOP voted to convict, I think they would have had a window to win some suburb voters back, but the vote to acquit pushes them to the point of no return.
There’s already a MAGAtard candidate in both Ohio and NC running for Portman’s seat and Burr’s seat, Doug Collins is prob the favorite to run against Warnock, while one of three crazies (Biggs Gosar and Kelli Ward) are the probable Arizona candidate in 2022. The train is completely off the tracks now.
I think convicting a GOP president does more harm to the GOP than acquitting him as far as their own voter base goes. They aren't concerned about winning over the dems.
Nah, you weren't paying attention to my actual trend of posting, as usual -- I don't consider assaulting police to be legitimate protest, in case you were wondering.
But I don't recall you whining about 2000 injured cops.
He's not done, he is the GOP. I get so tired of people underestimating him. 7 million votes doesn't mean shit, it's not how the US elects the president.
He had the Whitehouse for 4 years and lost Georgia and both sides of congress, and the election, and was subjected to impeachment trials twice. The GOP would be committing political suicide to keep up with him, and once his face is a reality TV face again and not associated with CiC, he'll be ignored by the GOP. Politicians know diplomacy means saying "good dog" until you can find a big enough stick.
Bogie
02-14-2021, 02:58 PM
You're not even a legit poster yet you assume some kinsman ship here.
once again proving this is all you have. You really do base your entire self esteem on a pretend image on a site full of people you will never know.
you’re really sad and pathetic.
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