trump impeachment watch thread

[DarrinS]

You didn't answer the question, Darrin.

What crime are you saying Hunter Biden committed, Darrin?

What crime are you saying Joe Biden committed, Darrin?

Step up.


I never said either Biden committed a crime.

Next

[Pavlov]

I never said either Biden committed a crime.

NextThen what are you saying about the Bidens, Darrin?

That they should be investigated because you think they committed no crimes?

:lol

[DarrinS]

Then what are you saying about the Bidens, Darrin?

That they should be investigated because you think they committed no crimes?

:lol



The Biden thing is an afterthought. That's why it was not brought up immediately in the call. The focus was on 2016 election interference.

[DarrinS]

Americans deserve to know what started russiagate nothingburger.

[Pavlov]

The Biden thing is an afterthought. That's why it was not brought up immediately in the call. The focus was on 2016 election interference.Yet you keep bringing up the Bidens suggesting they broke the law. Now you're walking right back.:lol

OK, what laws are you accusing the people in your own conspiracy theories of breaking, Darrin?

[Pavlov]

Americans deserve to know what started russiagate nothingburger.What do you think started the Russia investigation?

Be specific.

[pgardn]

:cry Leave the Biden's alone! :cry


Crackheads are in high demand in the foreign energy sector

Congrats Darrin

You now are on the Chris, Derp, Boots level thinking.
I did not think it was possible.

The president of the US has said what he said.
You have no problem with this.
Biden is not president. He will go down later if what you believe is true.

wft is wrong with you?

[DarrinS]

What do you think started the Russia investigation?

Be specific.

Hope to find out

[Pavlov]

Honestly, if Trump and his cronies ever stopped shooting themselves and each other in the feet, the Russia stuff would've gone away with a regular FBI investigation.

But they really, really like acting guilty. Even when they aren't necessarily guilty.

[Pavlov]

Hope to find outBacked down again.:lol

Not even going to post a theory? You've espoused about ten in the past years.

[DarrinS]

Backed down again.:lol

Not even going to post a theory? You've espoused about ten in the past years.

What are you worried about?

[ElNono]

Americans deserve to know what started russiagate nothingburger.

Let's pretend for a second that this oxymoron is true. How is that the role of the president? Especially when it involves a potential direct political competitor?

In addition, Russian interference in the presidential election was indeed proven to be factually true (if you read at least the bare bones of the Mueller report), how is that a nothingburger?

[Pavlov]

What are you worried about?Nothing other than the extreme abuse of power we're seeing from the current executive.

But you see not a thing wrong with anything Trump has ever done.:lol

[Pavlov]

Let's pretend for a second that this oxymoron is true. How is that the role of the president? Especially when it involves a potential direct political competitor?

In addition, Russian interference in the presidential election was indeed proven to be factually true (if you read at least the bare bones of the Mueller report), how is that a nothingburger?Darrin probably believes it was Seth Rich.

[DarrinS]

Let's pretend for a second that this oxymoron is true. How is that the role of the president? Especially when it involves a potential direct political competitor?

In addition, Russian interference in the presidential election was indeed proven to be factually true (if you read at least the bare bones of the Mueller report), how is that a nothingburger?


I've never been satisfied with the CrowdStrike report, but whatever

The president is the chief law enforcement officer, tbh. Why is Biden's activity off limits?

[Pavlov]

Didn't mean to scare him off. I am genuinely interested how Trumpistas think any of their conspiracies were supposed to work since the stuff they are most pissed about wasn't even known before the election. I figure multinational interagency conspirators would have at least one calendar, but that's me.

[Pavlov]

Darrin probably believes it was Seth Rich.
I've never been satisfied with the CrowdStrike report\

https://media.giphy.com/media/iXPppIJaioe9W/giphy.gif

[DarrinS]

Meme attempted

[Pavlov]

Meme attemptedIf you don't think it was the Russians, then who?

Step up.

[Spurminator]

I can't wait for Trump to actually spy on the Biden campaign, and then watch DarrinS put on his special olympics acrobat defense of that.

[DarrinS]

I can't wait for Trump to actually spy on the Biden campaign, and then watch DarrinS put on his special olympics acrobat defense of that.


An administration spying on a campaign would be bad. Hope that didn't happen.

[Spurminator]

An administration spying on a campaign would be bad. Hope that didn't happen.

You would defend it if Trump did it.

You know it. We know it. Your moral conviction is defined exclusively by the question of "Does this score points for the Democrats?"

[Pavlov]

An administration spying on a campaign would be bad. Hope that didn't happen.What if Antifa infiltrated AOC's campaign and was planning a terrorist attack in the Bronx as they are wont to do? Would you be OK with an administration's spying on that campaign?

[Winehole23]

Well if Trump did it they would deserve it.

Axiomatically.

[DarrinS]

What if Antifa infiltrated AOC's campaign and was planning a terrorist attack in the Bronx as they are wont to do? Would you be OK with an administration's spying on that campaign?

Seems unlikely

[Pavlov]

Seems unlikelyYou didn't answer the question:

Would you be OK with an administration's spying on that campaign?

[DarrinS]

You didn't answer the question:

Would you be OK with an administration's spying on that campaign?

I'm not ok with spying on a campaign. More to follow.

[DarrinS]

You didn't answer the question:

Would you be OK with an administration's spying on that campaign?

I'm not ok with spying on a campaign. More to follow.

[Pavlov]

I'm not ok with spying on a campaign. More to follow.Damn, not even to stop a terrorist attack?

OK....

[ElNono]

I've never been satisfied with the CrowdStrike report, but whatever

The president is the chief law enforcement officer, tbh. Why is Biden's activity off limits?

whatever what? Are you disputing Mueller and the conclusions of his investigation? On what grounds?

And no, he's not the "chief law enforcement officer", whatever that means. The closest is "executor of laws" granted by the Constitution through the use of veto power, he's also the Commander in Chief of the US, which gives him authority over troops.

Justice is administered by the judicial, not the executive branch. There's a Department of Justice under the executive tasked to bring about cases for prosecution to the judicial. If we don't even know how our government works, we have a bigger problem.

Bidden is not off limits of the judiciary. Arguably, not even off limits of the intelligence departments to bring a case in front of the judiciary, if there is one.

There's simply no scenario where the office of the president enters the picture, except for personal or political gain. Even more pathetic is referring to them as personal favors.

I'm possibly one of the biggest Biden detractors on this forum, but this has nothing to do with average Joe (regardless if he's eventually indicted for anything).

I don't get it Darrin, you're smarter than this. Is the bar so low with Trump we're not supposed to hold it to any standard whatsoever? I'm trying to understand what's the rock bottom here. I have zero doubts you'll be all up in arms if this was a Democrat president pulling this stunt.

[Spurminator]

And 5 years ago you probably weren't okay with a President of the United States pressuring the leader of another country to look into the family of his political rival. Or appointing his family members to powerful positions in the government and foreign relations. Or making money off of taxpayer-funded travel. Or refusing to show his tax returns. Or refusing to cooperate with judicial decisions. Or ordering his people to not comply with congressional subpoenas. Or pardoning people based exclusively on their loyalty. Or endorsing a Senate candidate with a history of pursuing underage girls. Or floating the idea of running for a third term.

Imagine yourself being cool with Barack Obama doing any of this. That's why you're a gutless hack, and why we all know your convictions stem exclusively from your bitterness towards liberals. You will always defend Donald Trump because it's better than siding with the libs.

[DarrinS]

whatever what? Are you disputing Mueller and the conclusions of his investigation? On what grounds?

And no, he's not the "chief law enforcement officer", whatever that means. The closest is "executor of laws" granted by the Constitution through the use of veto power, he's also the Commander in Chief of the US, which gives him authority over troops.

Justice is administered by the judicial, not the executive branch. There's a Department of Justice under the executive tasked to bring about cases for prosecution to the judicial. If we don't even know how our government works, we have a bigger problem.

Bidden is not off limits of the judiciary. Arguably, not even off limits of the intelligence departments to bring a case in front of the judiciary, if there is one.

There's simply no scenario where the office of the president enters the picture, except for personal or political gain. Even more pathetic is referring to them as personal favors.

I'm possibly one of the biggest Biden detractors on this forum, but this has nothing to do with average Joe (regardless if he's eventually indicted for anything).

I don't get it Darrin, you're smarter than this. Is the bar so low with Trump we're not supposed to hold it to any standard whatsoever? I'm trying to understand what's the rock bottom here. I have zero doubts you'll be all up in arms if this was a Democrat president pulling this stunt.


Can't say I disagree with many of your points. However, I do think we need to get to the bottom of the 2016 election shenanigans.

[Spurminator]

Can't say I disagree with many of your points. However, I do think we need to get to the bottom of the 2016 election shenanigans.

There's never going to be an investigation into that because everyone knows there were no shenanigans, and revealing such would be less politically advantageous than stringing along gutless lackeys like you by just having President InfoWars continue to claim shenanigans.

[Winehole23]

Can't say I disagree with many of your points. However, I do think we need to get to the bottom of the 2016 election shenanigans.But has no interest in getting to the bottom of current shenanigans.

Telling, tbh.

[Winehole23]

Accountability on one side only.

[Winehole23]

It'a ok if you're a Republican.

THEY DID IT FIRST!

[DarrinS]

There's never going to be an investigation into that because everyone knows there were no shenanigans, and revealing such would be less politically advantageous than stringing along gutless lackeys like you by just having President InfoWars continue to claim shenanigans.


I guess we'll find out.

[Pavlov]

Somehow, the governments of the US, Italy, Britain, Australia and the Ukraine conspired to prevent Trump's election without actually doing anything to affect the election.

This is the Trumpista theory.

Which is so much easier to believe than Russian theft of emails.

[Winehole23]

I guess we'll find out.

DarrinS is all in for the Ukraine conspiracy theory.

Not sure why he thinks that's an easier sell than Russiagate, tbh.

Mirror images.

[Winehole23]

Somehow, the governments of the US, Italy, Britain, Australia and the Ukraine conspired to prevent Trump's election without actually doing anything to affect the election.

This is the Trumpista theory.It was an insurance policy.

The scheme was to let Trump win and undermine him afterward.

[Winehole23]

Also, to announce an investigation on HRC a week before the election, to cover their tracks.

[Winehole23]

I'm not ok with spying on a campaign. More to follow.More.to follow?

Show your hand. I showed mine.

[Spurminator]

I guess we'll find out.

That's the point, dumbass. We won't. They're not going to investigate it. They already have your vote. You and 30% of the population are easy pickins.

[Winehole23]

Or are you pining for a legal hail mary like the Russiagaters, Mr. DarrinS?

[Spurminator]

whatever what? Are you disputing Mueller and the conclusions of his investigation? On what grounds?


Can't say I disagree with many of your points. However, I do think we need to get to the bottom of the 2016 election shenanigans.

Notice how DarrinS completely avoids discussion of the Mueller Report in detail.

He's decided that Donald Trump and AG Barr's assessment is correct and trustworthy, and will continue to parrot "nothingburger" like a good useful idiot.

[ElNono]

It's illogical to the core. Nothingburger requires we get to the bottom of it and the public is entitled to know. Pick a lane.

[Winehole23]

Even some of the most sycophantic GOP congressional leaders feel constrained to admit Russia was fooling about in 2016, but Spurstalk conspiratards feel obliged to die on that hill to deny it, for HIM.

[DarrinS]

Notice how DarrinS completely avoids discussion of the Mueller Report in detail.

He's decided that Donald Trump and AG Barr's assessment is correct and trustworthy, and will continue to parrot "nothingburger" like a good useful idiot.

What assessment?

[ElNono]

It was no nothingburger, there was actual foreign intervention in our election, and there was a thorough investigation about it. People lied about it, and went to jail over those lies.

It doesn't mean this administration was involved, but there's nothing trivial about this. It's a serious matter.

[Pavlov]

It was no nothingburger, there was actual foreign intervention in our election, and there was a thorough investigation about it. People lied about it, and went to jail over those lies.

It doesn't mean this administration was involved, but there's nothing trivial about this. It's a serious matter.Not to Darrin. He was told it was nothing except for the things that he's been told to think are serious matters.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1181014258747731976?s=19

[benefactor]

Shut up you stupid faggot

[Winehole23]

How was Trump harmed?

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181033360241709056?s=19

Called that shit

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1181014258747731976?s=19:lmao two year old nothingchalupa.

I do appreciate Glenn Beck's gig as the new Colonel Sanders tho.

[Pavlov]

Sytnyk: And when they carried out the elections, a week before the elections, the FBI reopened the investigation in respect of Hillary. So her rating dropped for 7 percent and that’s why Trump managed to win the elections at a pinch. I’m still unable to understand why he’s fighting with the FBI. They try to catch him on the hand. If it were not the FBI, he would not have won the elections. They torpedoed Hillary’s ratings for 7 percent.

:lol why indeed

[ducks]

You were told what to think
You were told it was big stuff
You were told wrong

[Winehole23]

Parry them with incoherence, ducks.

[Pavlov]

Parry them with incoherence, ducks.I think he believes in Qanon.

Looks like their work.

duQs

[benefactor]

You were told what to think
You were told it was big stuff
You were told wrong


Shut up you stupid faggot

[ElNono]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181033360241709056?s=19

Called that shit

Old man yelling at clouds?

[LkrFan]

Doing Pootin's bidding
https://twitter.com/RichardEngel/status/1181149669017231360?s=19

#ImpeachTheMFer

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/MarkSZaidEsq/status/1181181707518656513?s=19

David Dennison is going down I "Zaid!" :lol

[djohn2oo8]

1181193545518112768

[boutons_deux]

1181193545518112768

Tom Hagen will do everything he can to block it.

[boutons_deux]

John Oliver With Stupid Watergate II

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/john-oliver-dubs-trumps-ukraine-scandal-as-stupidest-watergate-1244202

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/OMAROSA/status/1181213377525424130?s=19
https://twitter.com/ZoeTillman/status/1181202415732834306?s=19

:corn:

[ducks]

It is amazing the world wants USA to fight their wars not help with money
And on top of that fuck America when they trade with USA

[ducks]

https://twitter.com/OMAROSA/status/1181213377525424130?s=19
https://twitter.com/ZoeTillman/status/1181202415732834306?s=19

:corn:

Dude a stay with another judge issued already

[ducks]

Old man yelling at clouds?

He is informing over 64 million people

[boutons_deux]

Trump Thinks He Can Talk Democrats Out Of Impeaching Him

President Donald Trump believes that he can get Democrats to vote against impeachment,

and stop Speaker Pelosi from having the votes to impeach him.

Many of Trump’s advisers, both inside and out of the White House, have given him their unpleasant prediction that

he will almost certainly be impeached by the House of Representatives.

he thought he could stop Nancy Pelosi from getting the votes to impeach.

The source said Trump seemed confident that he could pile enough pressure onto House Democrats in “Trump districts”

(where he won in 2016 but Democrats took back in 2018) that those incumbents would cave on Pelosi.

House Democrats already have the votes needed to impeach Trump (https://www.politicususa.com/2019/09/25/house-majority-impeachment.html).

Speaker Pelosi wouldn’t have moved forward with the investigation if she didn’t already have the votes to impeach.

The other problem is that those “Trump districts” that the president is counting on to save him from impeachment have already flipped to Democrats in 2018.

those districts could flip back in 2020,

but given the high level of support for impeachment, and

the fact that Democrats have been spending weeks in their districts and

they have seen no mass protests against impeachment,

it is a good sign that these incumbents aren’t being hurt by supporting the impeachment investigation.

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/10/07/trump-pelosi-impeachment-votes.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

The only question I see is what the Dems will put in the A of I.

Just "Ukraine favor"? or also all the obstruction from Mueller?

I think the Dems really out to pile Trash's impeachable shit high and wide.

[boutons_deux]

Federal judge rules Trump must turn over his tax returns to Manhattan DA, but Trump has appealed

U.S. District Judge Victor Marrero rejected

Trump’s argument that the presidency makes him immune to any investigation by any prosecutor.

In his 75-page ruling (https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/judge-dismisses-president-trump-s-lawsuit-seeking-to-block-subpoena-for-tax-returns/12d2920c-0de3-46f4-9904-37f21db32c27/?tid=lk_inline_manual_3), Marrero

called such a claim “extraordinary” and wrote,

“This Court cannot endorse such a categorical and limitless assertion of presidential immunity from judicial process.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal-judge-rules-trump-must-turn-over-his-tax-returns-to-manhattan-da-but-trump-has-indicated-he-will-appeal/2019/10/07/29e1fda6-e8a4-11e9-85c0-85a098e47b37_story.html?wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal-judge-rules-trump-must-turn-over-his-tax-returns-to-manhattan-da-but-trump-has-indicated-he-will-appeal/2019/10/07/29e1fda6-e8a4-11e9-85c0-85a098e47b37_story.html?wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1)

Appeal is nothing but delaying tactic by Tom Hagen.

Trash's tax cheating should go into A of I, along with Trash University fraud, and Trash charity self-dealing, pilfering

[pgardn]

He is informing over 64 million people

Informing them That he is indeed yelling at clouds.


Maybe get on to infrastructure.

[boutons_deux]

Democrats subpoena Pentagon, White House budget office in impeachment probe

seeking documents related to U.S. President Donald Trump’s decision to withhold military assistance from Ukraine.

the Department of Defense and the White Office of Management and Budget must turn over the documents by Oct. 15.

“The committees are investigating the extent to which

President Trump jeopardized national security by pressing Ukraine to interfere with our 2020 election and

by withholding military assistance provided by Congress

to help Ukraine counter Russian aggression,

as well as any efforts to cover up these matters,”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-whistleblower/democrats-subpoena-pentagon-white-house-budget-office-in-impeachment-probe-idUSKBN1WM0AQ?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F +US+%2F+Top+News%29 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-whistleblower/democrats-subpoena-pentagon-white-house-budget-office-in-impeachment-probe-idUSKBN1WM0AQ?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F +US+%2F+Top+News%29)

for the A of I, what about the $Ms that disappeared from Trash's inauguration fund?

[boutons_deux]

Republicans have ‘Trump exhaustion’ and are waiting for polls to shift before tossing him overboard

many congressional Republicans are privately sick to death of President Donald Trump’s antics and

are waiting to see if his poll numbers get worse so they can toss him overboard.

many in the GOP are fed up with having to defend the president’s indefensible actions

such as his call on the Chinese government to launch investigations into his political opponents.

“Many of them don’t consider him a true Republican. They are worried about the economy.

will the MAGA base stay with him? Yes. But maybe not some of the Republicans and independents they need. Will there be a shift? That’s what they’re waiting for.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/the-gop-has-trump-exhaustion-and-is-waiting-for-polls-to-shift-before-tossing-him-overboard-cnns-gangel/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1671 (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/the-gop-has-trump-exhaustion-and-is-waiting-for-polls-to-shift-before-tossing-him-overboard-cnns-gangel/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1671)

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RepMattGaetz/status/1181239631943217153?s=19

Herr Gaetz

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1181226131778887682?s=19

bummer

[boutons_deux]

‘Trump confessed on television’:

Fox News’ top political editor says the impeachment case is clear

America’s Newsroom host Bill Hemmer turned towards Fox News Political Editor Chris Stirewalt and

said that there’s “no record” of the allegations against Trump and

his apparent pressuring of the Ukrainian government to investigate his political rivals.

“There is a record for those committees even if they meet without television cameras present,” Stirewalt responded.

“We are early in this process, number one,” he said.

“Number two, the whistleblower doesn’t matter anymore. … The whistleblower is substantially irrelevant.

The President confessed on television — he said, ‘I did it,’ and

then he added China to it,

which sort of obviates the question about is there a whistleblower, isn’t there a whistleblower.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/trump-confessed-on-television-fox-news-top-political-editor-says-the-impeachment-case-is-clear/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29 (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/trump-confessed-on-television-fox-news-top-political-editor-says-the-impeachment-case-is-clear/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29)

[DarrinS]

The Whistleblower Probably Isn't

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/whistleblower-ukraine-trump-impeach-cia-spying-895529/

[DMC]

The Whistleblower Probably Isn't

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/whistleblower-ukraine-trump-impeach-cia-spying-895529/

Good read

[Pavlov]

Darrin and DMC like the article that says Dennison is a stupid blind jackass :tu.

[vy65]

The Whistleblower Probably Isn't

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/whistleblower-ukraine-trump-impeach-cia-spying-895529/

>> Posts article criticizing executive's absues of executive powers, focusing on retaliation whistle-blowers
>> Sees no problem in Trump's use of executive powers to pressure political opponents.

But hey, it says MSM bad, right?

[Spurminator]

I'm not exactly surprised that the intelligence apparatus reacted differently to whistleblowers who exposed torture abroad and secret surveillance programs than they did to a whistleblower who revealed that the President of the United States was negotiating foreign aid in exchange for dirt on political rivals. Consider the stakes.

That's not a defense or an endorsement, it's just to say that concluding that the Ukraine whistleblower is a fraud, or a cog in a larger coup of the President, is a massive reach. Pointing out the differences in consequences, particularly without contrasting the means by which the information was "leaked" (the Ukraine WBer didn't go to Wikileaks, for one thing), is not a very effective case.

I like Taibbi but he's reaching pretty unfortunate levels of paranoia these days.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RepMattGaetz/status/1181315609314910212?s=19

[hater]

The Whistleblower Probably Isn't

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/whistleblower-ukraine-trump-impeach-cia-spying-895529/

Meanwhile Chelita Manning sitting in jail with no charge for a few months already

Deep state detests real whistle blowers like Snowden and Manning yet they are sucking the dick out of this whistle-blower LMAO

I feel sorry for the pathetic fuck Americans who actually believe this Cia agent is a whistle-blower :lmao

[hater]

Let's take a closer look

- is a Cia agent? Check
- infiltrated the white house? Check
- is now hiding behind Cia skirts? Check

That's no whistle-blower. That's a spy

[Pavlov]

Meanwhile Chelita Manning sitting in jail with no charge for a few months alreadyThe charge is contempt of court. She's guilty of that. Her sentence is the fine and incarceration for the duration of the grand jury.

Pretty simple.

[boutons_deux]

I'm not exactly surprised that the intelligence apparatus reacted differently to whistleblowers who exposed torture abroad and secret surveillance programs than they did to a whistleblower who revealed that the President of the United States was negotiating foreign aid in exchange for dirt on political rivals. Consider the stakes.

That's not a defense or an endorsement, it's just to say that concluding that the Ukraine whistleblower is a fraud, or a cog in a larger coup of the President, is a massive reach. Pointing out the differences in consequences, particularly without contrasting the means by which the information was "leaked" (the Ukraine WBer didn't go to Wikileaks, for one thing), is not a very effective case.

I like Taibbi but he's reaching pretty unfortunate levels of paranoia these days.

One of my first reactions was that wb volunteered as part of group of IC people who knew the Trash-Ukraine crime.

Trash called the IC Nazis in his campaign.

Later said he didn't believe 17 IC agencies that Pootin had meddled and did believe Pootin saying he didn't.

I expect those two items plus lots more of Trash daily shit has boiled a lot blood in the IC (and their military friends) people, who saw the Ukraine crime as the perfect opportunity for totally legal payback.

All they needed was for someone to sacrifice his normal life and blow the whistle, which he did through totally legal channels.

[Pavlov]

Let's take a closer look

- is a Cia agent? Check
- infiltrated the white house? Check
- is now hiding behind Cia skirts? Check

That's no whistle-blower. That's a spy:lmao "infiltrated"

[hater]

Cheljta is in jail for refusing to testify against Julia Assange

The faggot judge is just pissed. Fucking scum

Chelita already answered all the questions. They just want to ask her again and test her memory and make her fall in a trick question so they can charge her of perjury and force her to BS about Assange to avoid serious jail time

She's a national hero. Scratch that she's a world heroine. Lmao contempt of court. The court is a joke it's the 7th distri t of Virginia. That's not a court that's a fucking Clown show.

Cheljta chelita chelita!!!


USA usa usa!

[Pavlov]

Cheljta is in jail for refusing to testify against Julia Assange

The faggot judge is just pissed. Fucking scum

Chelita already answered all the questions. They just want to ask her again and test her memory and make her fall in a trick question so they can charge her of perjury and force her to BS about Assange to avoid serious jail time:lol why doesn't she just give the same answers then?

Simple.

[pgardn]

Cheljta is in jail for refusing to testify against Julia Assange

The faggot judge is just pissed. Fucking scum

Chelita already answered all the questions. They just want to ask her again and test her memory and make her fall in a trick question so they can charge her of perjury and force her to BS about Assange to avoid serious jail time

She's a national hero. Scratch that she's a world heroine. Lmao contempt of court. The court is a joke it's the 7th distri t of Virginia. That's not a court that's a fucking Clown show.

Cheljta chelita chelita!!!


USA usa usa!

You are a Putin guy.
Dont act like you are offended.

[pgardn]

We dont need a fckn whistleblower except to look at the depth of stupidity and who all is involved.

Trump could not hold back his traitor mouth all on his own.
This is all that is needed. Then to make it all better, he asked China.
He done in 2020.

[boutons_deux]

1180917259235028993

[Pavlov]

That's absolutely the worst legal strategy I've ever heard.

Getting imprisoned and fined $1000 a day for a year and a half to pwn...er...no one....

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/SteveScalise/status/1181362650690867202?s=19

[djohn2oo8]

1181375337659273216

[pgardn]

https://twitter.com/SteveScalise/status/1181362650690867202?s=19

Oh please do this.
Censure Schiff for mocking our dumb ass president for hitting himself in the face.

[ducks]

Bill Clinton asked UK's Tony Blair to 'take a look at' fixing problem during 2000 'political season': document

[baseline bum]

1181375337659273216

LMAO at the idea of Ben Sasse ever turning on Trump. He talks a lot of shit to attention whore in front of cameras just like Flake and Corker did, but just like those two losers he falls in line behind Trump every time there is an actual vote that matters.

[pgardn]

Bill Clinton asked UK's Tony Blair to 'take a look at' fixing problem during 2000 'political season': document

Good.
Go get him ducks.

Meanwhile...

[Pavlov]

:lol Tucker with the reach

[ducks]

Those people are the swamp!

[Pavlov]

Airlines are not swamps.

[ducks]

Republicans in office will not do anything if trump poll numbers do not dip much
His base is solid

[ducks]

Biden, son could be forced to testify in Trump impeachment trial

Not only could Mr. Biden be forced to be in D.C. at a critical moment in the presidential campaign, but so could many of his chief rivals — the half-dozen senators also vying for Democrats’ presidential nomination, impeachment experts said.


https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/oct/7/joe-biden-hunter-biden-could-be-forced-testify-don/


Mr. Trump could even be present for the entire spectacle. Experts said the Senate would have a hard time refusing him if he demanded to confront the witnesses against him

“I don’t think the Dems have thought this through at all,” one staffer told The Washington Times.

[Spurminator]

Republicans in office will not do anything if trump poll numbers do not dip much
His base is solid

You know ducks, you're not often right (because you're historically retarded), but you're right on this.

Republicans have created such a beast with Trump and his fringe asshat followers that they can't do even basic things that remotely acknowledge this country's values or show a shred of compassion. They can't give oversight to the Executive Office even though every single one of them knows this Presidency is a disaster.

But at some point, Trump will no longer be President, the GOP will nominate a more traditional Republican, and the Trumptards will revolt and leave the party, splitting conservatives and ending conservative power for some time.

[ducks]

Can Donald Trump possibly win 45 states in 2020?

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/10/07/politics/donald-trump-mick-mulvaney-2020/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

[Spurminator]

What assessment?

The assessment they gave when they pre-empted the release of the report with a press conference calling it a nothingburger.

A day later you still haven't given any indication that you even know what's in the report. Predictably.

[DarrinS]

There's never going to be an investigation into that because everyone knows there were no shenanigans, and revealing such would be less politically advantageous than stringing along gutless lackeys like you by just having President InfoWars continue to claim shenanigans.


The assessment they gave when they pre-empted the release of the report with a press conference calling it a nothingburger.

A day later you still haven't given any indication that you even know what's in the report. Predictably.


Meh, I watched Mueller's full testimony. Kick rocks

[Spurminator]

Meh, I watched Mueller's full testimony. Kick rocks

Those two posts are not related to the same investigation.

You may have watched the testimony to give your endorphins a tickle when your hero GOP members challenged Dear Leader's enemy, but you have no clue what was in the report or the significance of its findings. You probably didn't understand what was even going on during the testimony, you were there for fireworks and score.

Keep parroting the company line, useful idiot.

[Spurminator]

Keyword(s): "meh"
User Name: DarrinS

151 results, each one a refusal to elaborate or rationalize his "convictions."

What a monumental coward.

Maybe you should just post less.

[TSA]

Keyword(s): "meh"
User Name: DarrinS

151 results, each one a refusal to elaborate or rationalize his "convictions."

What a monumental coward.

Maybe you should just post less.

Or you could just IM the password to Adam Lambert.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181417086851125248?s=19

[Spurminator]

Or you could just IM the password to Adam Lambert.

Why don't you just have one of your 8chan buddies hack it?

Funny I use the phrase "monumental coward" and within 5 minutes TSA and Chris are posting. Found your mating call?

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181417086851125248?s=19Andrew Johnson says :lol

[ElNono]

The Whistleblower Probably Isn't

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/whistleblower-ukraine-trump-impeach-cia-spying-895529/


I'm not exactly surprised that the intelligence apparatus reacted differently to whistleblowers who exposed torture abroad and secret surveillance programs than they did to a whistleblower who revealed that the President of the United States was negotiating foreign aid in exchange for dirt on political rivals. Consider the stakes.

That's not a defense or an endorsement, it's just to say that concluding that the Ukraine whistleblower is a fraud, or a cog in a larger coup of the President, is a massive reach. Pointing out the differences in consequences, particularly without contrasting the means by which the information was "leaked" (the Ukraine WBer didn't go to Wikileaks, for one thing), is not a very effective case.

I like Taibbi but he's reaching pretty unfortunate levels of paranoia these days.

It is a good read (thanks for sharing), and particularly dead on when it comes to whistleblowers. However:

1) It doesn't make excuses for the POTUS or even make any claims that the allegations are not true and accurate (it actually points out how dumb the current POTUS is)

2) Doesn't really advance any conspiracy theory either. It's just notes the disparity of treatment between this whistleblower and others.

3) IMO, obviates the direct involvement of POTUS here, and the fact that unlike the other alleged crimes, which were done under the mantra of national security, this is an outright corrupt personal/political advance.

It's true that the CIA, NSA, etc have had historically much more latitude into what can only be described as criminal behavior. We can debate if that's right or wrong, but there are legal reasons why they have that role and not the President.
I'm certainly no fan of the paralegal shit they pull off, and stated so many times, but I also understand that Congress, in it's many approvals of laws like the Patriot Act, has given them the authorization to do what they do.

And frankly, when dubya was caught with the massive surveillance program, torture and suspension of habeas corpus, they eventually had the courts and Congress review and approve or dismiss them. Same when Snowden/Manning revealed a number of programs that were still ongoing during the Obama administration.

[Spurminator]

2) Doesn't really advance any conspiracy theory either. It's just notes the disparity of treatment between this whistleblower and others.

Disagree with you here.


BAER: You know, my guess, it’s a palace coup against Trump. And who knows what else they know at this point.

That sounds about right. Actual whistleblowers are alone. Ukraine complaint seems to be the work of a group of people, supported by significant institutional power, not only in the intelligence community, but in the Democratic Party and the commercial press.

Taibbi goes further than noting the disparity. He reflexively holds it against the Ukraine whistleblower that he(she) went through the House committee and lawyered up instead of going to Wikileaks or some other entity. Perhaps this person has seen what happens to others if they're not careful.

And again, we're not really talking about national secrets or security here, so there's not really a national security risk to revealing that the President is using his office to strike deals with foreign governments to blunt his political rivals. So disparity should probably be expected, even if not condoned.

[ElNono]

Disagree with you here.

I wouldn't necessary describe that as a conspiracy theory. The Democratic Party and commercial press in general have been pretty much chomping at the bit of anything to discredit the president (and they've had a good amount of material, thanks largely to the President's own stupidity).

There's apparently two whistleblowers now, besides the texts provided by a third person, and the IG generally had the back of them from the get go.

IMVHO, that doesn't either excuses or changes anything of what was alleged (now corroborated through the transcript).

Taibbi is right to point out the disparity of the treatment of whistleblowers. However, I think it overlooks what the alleged crime is. In all the other cases you could point to a national security interest worth protecting (very debatable), but there's no excuses in this case.

[ducks]

Donald J. Trump Retweeted

Sean Davis Seanmdav
Lawmakers in both chambers have demanded that IC IG Michael Atkinson explain why he backdated to August secret changes he made to whistleblower rules in September. Atkinson is stonewalling them, which is a weird thing to do if there's nothing to hide

[ducks]

Andrew Johnson says :lol

Know more then you

[ElNono]

Donald J. Trump Retweeted

Sean Davis Seanmdav
Lawmakers in both chambers have demanded that IC IG Michael Atkinson explain why he backdated to August secret changes he made to whistleblower rules in September. Atkinson is stonewalling them, which is a weird thing to do if there's nothing to hide

You forgot Republican

[Pavlov]

Know more then youHonestly I'm pretty sure you have no idea what I'm talking what I'm talking about but I'll leave it at that.

[Spurtacular]

Honestly I'm pretty sure you have no idea what I'm talking what I'm talking about but I'll leave it at that.

:cry But muh pledge :cry

:lmao Honestly

[Chris]

Know more then you

[benefactor]

Trump just blocked Sondland from testifying. What's he afraid he will say? I thought all this was made up?

[boutons_deux]

Trash/Barr/Pompeo playing very hardball hardass

What game are the Dems playing?

[Kim Jong-il]

https://twitter.com/mmpadellan/status/1181296857726754819?s=21

[boutons_deux]

Ex-White House official drops bomb on Trump over new poll:

He ‘won’t survive Election Day’

a new poll showing

a massive swing towards public support for the impeachment

of Donald Trump has the White House in disarray as the president continues to sow chaos while trying to defend himself.

a new Washington Post poll showing Americans

support the House impeachment inquiry by a 58-38 percent margin, and

nearly 50 percent saying the House should impeach Trump and call for his removal,

Lockhart said those numbers are likely to get worse for the president.

“They are terrible numbers, and

it’s bad news across the board,” Lockhart conceded.

“These numbers with Republicans are creeping up, you know.

I can understand 30 percent on the inquiry,

but the 20 percent for removal is terrible.

But even worse news is independents.

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/ex-white-house-official-drops-bomb-on-trump-over-new-poll-he-wont-survive-election-day/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1673 (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/ex-white-house-official-drops-bomb-on-trump-over-new-poll-he-wont-survive-election-day/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1673)

[boutons_deux]

‘Americans understand’: MSNBC’s Morning Joe explains stunning new jump in support for Trump impeachment

“Why is it that the Philippines,

everybody else is turning on the Philippines

because they have a savage leader there who doesn’t respect any human rights or norms?” Scaborough said.

“Why? He’s got hotel property there,

and the same thing with Turkey.

“Whether you’re on Fox News, ‘Fox & Friends,’ or whether you’re on the ‘700 Club,’ Pat Robertson, or are whether you’re a guy that goes golfing with Donald Trump and

you’ve completely forsaken everything that you believed in with John McCain with constitutional norms, you’re Lindsey Graham,” he said,

“all of these people understand none of this is in America’s best interest.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/americans-understand-msnbcs-morning-joe-explains-stunning-new-jump-in-support-for-trump-impeachment/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1673

[clambake]

https://twitter.com/mmpadellan/status/1181296857726754819?s=21

lol

[hater]

Trump just blocked Sondland from testifying. What's he afraid he will say? I thought all this was made up?

Probably listening to his attorneys for a change tbqh.

Defense attorneys usually fight any move by prosecution. It's their job and it's the smart thing to do

[baseline bum]

https://twitter.com/mmpadellan/status/1181296857726754819?s=21

Flake is literally the last person who should have any complaint about Trump. He was in a position of power to restrain him and refused to do anything. Flake made it very clear he hated Trump and knew Trump is horrible for America and yet he always voted with him because party loyalty above all else. Flake was the single clearest example in Washington of party over country. Now he wants to whine because the rest of the GOP is following directly in his footsteps?

[Spurminator]

Flake is literally the last person who should have any complaint about Trump. He was in a position of power to restrain him and refused to do anything. Flake made it very clear he hated Trump and knew Trump is horrible for America and yet he always voted with him because party loyalty above all else. Flake was the single clearest example in Washington of party over country. Now he wants to whine because the rest of the GOP is following directly in his footsteps?

Yep. Dude even lacked the backbone to vote against the Trump line after he had announced he wouldn't seek reelection.

[DarrinS]

1181589374762409990

[RandomGuy]

=5th time

Should Trump be impeached if he starts threatening countries for dirt on his political opponents, TSA? Simple yes or no question.


Sure [denial that denial that a threat was made for dirt]


Well, we have a standard we can both agree on [threatening another country for dirt on a political rival is an impeachable offense]. A step forward.

Is Ukraine dependent on US security guarantees and military aid to protect itself from Russia? yes or no.


The US contributes a lot to the protection of Ukraine. [denial that a threat was made for dirt]


Another yes.

We are indeed getting somewhere. 1st time

Was this aid suspended at any time? If so, when?

You might find this link helpful:
https://www.apnews.com/94fdeaddc6b34c02b97278674b87541e


[repeats denial that denial that a threat was made for dirt]


Not really an answer. We are attempting to establish facts concerning what you yourself admit should be impeachable. Hard to do when you fail to offer any.

The question remains.

Ukraine is dependent on the US for military and economic support. 2nd time

Was this aid suspended at any time? If so, when?


[repeats denial that denial that a threat was made for dirt]


Not really an answer.
We are attempting to establish facts concerning what you yourself admit should be impeachable.
Hard to do when you fail to offer any.

The question remains.

Ukraine is dependent on the US for military and economic support. 3rd time

Was this aid suspended at any time? If so, when?


[repeats denial that a threat was made for dirt]


Not really an answer.
We are attempting to establish facts concerning what you yourself admit should be impeachable.
Hard to do when you fail to offer any.

The question remains.

Ukraine is dependent on the US for military and economic support. 4th time

Was this aid suspended at any time? If so, when?


[ignores question, posts tweets]


Not really an answer.
We are attempting to establish facts concerning what you yourself admit should be impeachable.
Hard to do when you fail to offer any.

The question remains.

Ukraine is dependent on the US for military and economic support. 5th time

Was this aid suspended at any time? If so, when?


[ignores question, posts tweets deflecting from central question of impeachment]

Not really an answer to my question.

We are attempting to establish facts concerning what you yourself admit should be impeachable. Hard to do when you fail to offer any.

The question remains.

Ukraine is dependent on the US for military and economic support. 6th time

Was this aid suspended at any time? If so, when?

[RandomGuy]

[tweet

Maybe you can help poor TSA out. I even provided a handy link.

[Reck]

Darrin has been more deranged than usual. He usually hits and runs and pretends he's neutral or not a trumper. :lol

[RandomGuy]

Flake is literally the last person who should have any complaint about Trump. He was in a position of power to restrain him and refused to do anything. Flake made it very clear he hated Trump and knew Trump is horrible for America and yet he always voted with him because party loyalty above all else. Flake was the single clearest example in Washington of party over country. Now he wants to whine because the rest of the GOP is following directly in his footsteps?

Graham... cough cough..

[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

1181646966452899841

[djohn2oo8]

1181636658380320769

[djohn2oo8]

1181628015362678791

[djohn2oo8]

1181629108830310402

[djohn2oo8]

1181653079554428928

[hater]

A lot of Americans don't know how these law bizness works tbqh :lol

Apparently we supposed to turn over everything the government asks :lmao

[djohn2oo8]

1181648423487000576

:lol

[Chris]

Trey Gowdy was a prosecutor.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1181649215895687168?s=19

Called that shit :lol

[djohn2oo8]

1181666969784901637

[spurraider21]

Trey Gowdy was a prosecutor.
so was rudy

[vy65]

Trey Gowdy was a prosecutor.

Right, because prosecutors never leave public service and switch to the defense side ...

Where is your god now?

[djohn2oo8]

1181668185579380736

[ducks]

Hunter Biden owns stake in Chinese company blacklisted by US

[vy65]

https://media.giphy.com/media/WUuypTBVGuwhi/giphy.gif

[benefactor]

Hunter Biden owns stake in Chinese company blacklisted by US
Trump president not Hunter

[clambake]

https://media.giphy.com/media/WUuypTBVGuwhi/giphy.gif:lol

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1181643432714031104?s=19

Scurred Schiff-less :lol

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/TeaPainUSA/status/1181681461885308930?s=19

Cohen = Machavelli :lol

[LkrFan]

Michael Cohen expected to be brought to NY to meet with investigators

By Mark Morales

Posted at 5:16 PM ET, Tue October 8, 2019

Michael Cohen is sworn in before testifying before the House Oversight Committee on February 27, 2019.

New York (CNN) — Michael Cohen, the former attorney and fixer for President Donald Trump, is expected to be brought back to New York for a meeting with state prosecutors where he's expected to tell them everything he knows, a law enforcement official tells CNN.

The information, if deemed credible, could result in Cohen testifying before a grand jury, the official said.

:wow

[LkrFan]

Michael Cohen expected to be brought to NY to meet with investigators

By Mark Morales

Posted at 5:16 PM ET, Tue October 8, 2019

Michael Cohen is sworn in before testifying before the House Oversight Committee on February 27, 2019.

New York (CNN) — Michael Cohen, the former attorney and fixer for President Donald Trump, is expected to be brought back to New York for a meeting with state prosecutors where he's expected to tell them everything he knows, a law enforcement official tells CNN.

The information, if deemed credible, could result in Cohen testifying before a grand jury, the official said.

This meeting would be the third time Cohen has met with prosecutors and should happen this month, according to the official. It is expected to be held at the district attorney's office in Lower Manhattan with Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance's general counsel and the head of the economic crimes bureau, the official said. It is unknown if Vance himself will be there.

Lanny Davis, a lawyer for Cohen, did not immediately return a request for comment. A spokesman for Vance's office declined to comment.

CNN first reported last month that officials from the district attorney's office, led by Vance, interviewed Cohen at the federal prison in Otisville, New York, where he is serving a three-year sentence after pleading guilty to multiple crimes including campaign finance violations tied to payments to two women alleging affairs with Trump a decade ago. Trump has denied having affairs with the women.

Related Article: Judge dismisses Trump request to keep taxes secret in New York

Prosecutors met with Cohen shortly after they opened their investigation into whether the Trump Organization violated a New York state law involving false business records. Investigators are exploring whether the real estate company falsified its records in describing the reimbursement to Cohen for the payments.

Cohen is one of several people with knowledge of the payments who would be of interest to investigators, but he has credibility issues for any potential case. Cohen pleaded guilty last year to lying to Congress.

Prosecutors are also pushing for Trump's tax records with the theory being that the documents will provide definitive proof of where money has been allocated, unveiling if there was any masking of payments that was a deliberate falsification, the official said. Cohen is not looking to trade information for a lighter sentence, the official said. He is coming forward with information and meeting with officials without any limitations, the official said.

:lol

[LkrFan]

When he gets impeached and brought up on un-pardonable state charges >>>>>

:lmao

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1181688504402751493?s=19

:wow

[djohn2oo8]

1181682897901821952

[boutons_deux]

So somebody in the WH who heard Trash commit a crime fed the info to the wb.

Trash had no friends when he came to DC, and has even fewer now.

Trash is crashing.

well, it depends how hardass the Dems are (not hopeful)

Time to fire-up the House's sergeant-at-arms, conscript a SWAT team, arrest these criminals at 3AM, bust down the doors, many flash bang grenades just like cops due to blacks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergeant_at_Arms_of_the_United_States_House_of_Rep resentatives#/media/File:Paul_D._Irving_official_photo.jpg

He's bald, he must be a badass mofo. If I were Trash or his mafiya, I'd be scared shitless of this guy

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/Paul_D._Irving_official_photo.jpg

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/Frank_GoBell/status/1181602027635392513?s=19

:lol

[Kim Jong-il]

Trey Gowdy was a prosecutor. spurraider21 any validity to this excuse?

[spurraider21]

spurraider21 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=31905) any validity to this excuse?


so was rudy

[TSA]

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181698015423275010

https://mobile.twitter.com/thebradfordfile/status/1181665087792267265

The Rake

[Winehole23]

Trey Gowdy was a prosecutor.A lot of great defense lawyers used to be prosecutors.

Well situated to socialize and cut deals with former colleagues, tbh. Also, they know the tricks the other side likes to use.

[Pavlov]

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181698015423275010

https://mobile.twitter.com/thebradfordfile/status/1181665087792267265

The Rake:lol is there any right wing conspiracy theory you don't swallow whole?

[ducks]

White House announces it will not comply with 'illegitimate and unconstitutional' impeachment inquiry

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/impeachment-inquiry-white-house-not-comply-pelosi

[ducks]

Trump president not Hunter

Thank goodness!!!

[Winehole23]

Impeachment is in the fucking Constitution.

US v. Nixon was decided 9-0, Trump better have a SCOTUS majority to overturn or he's toast.

[Winehole23]

That said, if US v Nixon is overturned, maybe he isn't toast.

[Winehole23]

Polls on impeachment don't look good for DJT.

Will Romney really whip votes for removal?

Might explain the WH desperation.

[ducks]

Mitt can fucking die
White piece of shit

[UZER]

Before the 2016 election, Dems were asking DT if he would accept the results.

Dems still haven’t accepted the results 3 years later.

[ducks]

Mueller was pursuing FBI director job when he met with Trump in 2017, administration officials say

[benefactor]

Before the 2016 election, Dems were asking DT if he would accept the results.

Dems still haven’t accepted the results 3 years later.
Perhaps we wouldn't be here if President Dreamsicle wasn't his own worst enemy.

[ducks]

House Freedom Caucus Calls on Dems to Release Volker Transcript

[ducks]

What did he do wrong?
Make the democract change whistleblower compliment thing not have first hand knowledge
Changed it secretly

Just like liberal mayor 12 hours after trump said going there police can not wear uniforms to political event

[ducks]

Why Democrats aren't planning to vote on an impeachment inquiry
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/10/08/politics/nancy-pelosi-letter-impeachment/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

[TSA]

Impeachment is in the fucking Constitution.

US v. Nixon was decided 9-0, Trump better have a SCOTUS majority to overturn or he's toast.

It is in the constitution, and what Pelosi is attempting with her “faux impeachment inquiry” is unconstitutional.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/PAC-Letter-10.08.2019.pdf

[boutons_deux]

Trash committed a crime, a violation of his oath, as reported by the wb, horrifying the WH into secreting away the conversation in a high-security server, and then Trash confessed in public to the extortion and then solicited China to help him politically by going after the Bidens.

Congressional oversight of the Exec is Constitutional, and it is political operation, not legal.

[Spurminator]

Before the 2016 election, Dems were asking DT if he would accept the results.

Dems still haven’t accepted the results 3 years later.

Neither has DT, tbh.

[Chris]

lol djohn

https://twitter.com/lawcrimenews/status/1181699067870666753?s=19

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1181703167639089157?s=19

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/BreitbartNews/status/1181699416845176834?s=19

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181698015423275010?s=19


lol

[boutons_deux]

"Dems still haven’t accepted the results 3 years later."

goddman, you're fucking stupid

[baseline bum]

Polls on impeachment don't look good for DJT.

Will Romney really whip votes for removal?

Might explain the WH desperation.

He'll get himself and Collins and that's it.

[Kim Jong-il]

lol djohn

https://twitter.com/lawcrimenews/status/1181699067870666753?s=19

yeah, but...


Trey Gowdy was a prosecutor.

[ducks]

Leader McConnell
@senatemajldr
·
Sep 26
The time for excuses is over. The USMCA needs to move this fall. Workers and small businesses in Kentucky and across the nation need this deal. The United States of America needs this deal. Only House Democrats are standing in the way.

[ElNono]

It is in the constitution, and what Pelosi is attempting with her “faux impeachment inquiry” is unconstitutional.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/PAC-Letter-10.08.2019.pdf

Actually, it is not, and is noted in the pdf you posted... (but likely didn't read)

[pgardn]

Leader McConnell
@senatemajldr
·
Sep 26
The time for excuses is over. The USMCA needs to move this fall. Workers and small businesses in Kentucky and across the nation need this deal. The United States of America needs this deal. Only House Democrats are standing in the way.

Good.
Hand over the promised tax returns.
Allow people in the WH to be questioned.
Adhere to supoenas.
Then we can get on with it.
done.

[ElNono]

that said, it's showtime for the Dems, tbh... let's see what kind of teeth they really have.

I honestly think they're going to fumble this one, and they ain't going to get a better one.

[ElNono]

Leader McConnell
@senatemajldr
·
Sep 26
The time for excuses is over. The USMCA needs to move this fall. Workers and small businesses in Kentucky and across the nation need this deal. The United States of America needs this deal. Only House Democrats are standing in the way.

lol @ Moscow Mitch pretending some higher purpose...

[pgardn]

that said, it's showtime for the Dems, tbh... let's see what kind of teeth they really have.

I honestly think they're going to fumble this one, and they ain't going to get a better one.

2020 is theirs reguardless imo.

[ElNono]

2020 is theirs reguardless imo.

We'll see... honestly, mummies like Pelosi are all too predictable about stuff like this, IMO... even though she's 300 years old, she won't throw her career/legacy by doing all it takes...

Just the fact she hesitated this much already was a bad omen.

[boutons_deux]

lol @ Moscow Mitch pretending some higher purpose...

Cocaine MoscowMitch is the deplorable of all deplorables, totally corrupt with his wife hosing business to KY

USMCA is what BigCorp wants, not workers and SME

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1181703167639089157?s=19
but he was a prosecutor

[ElNono]

Weird Gowdy is not arguing the LGBT case..

[TSA]

Actually, it is not, and is noted in the pdf you posted... (but likely didn't read)

You think Pelosi is running an impeachment inquiry bound by the constitution? yes or no :lol

[boutons_deux]

Trump pal tells Fox News the whistleblowers are ‘suicide bombers’ and

impeachment is killing a ‘king’ :lol

https://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Joe-diGenova.png

Two Donald Trump supporters implicated in the scandal over President Donald Trump soliciting foreign election interference from Ukraine appeared on Fox News with Laura Ingraham on Tuesday evening.

Trump defense attorney Rudy Giuliani sat next to Joe diGenova —

who reportedly worked with Giuliani (https://www.thedailybeast.com/joe-digenova-and-victoria-toensing-worked-with-rudy-giuliani-to-dig-up-ukraine-dirt-on-joe-biden-report) on the effort to see dirt on Joe Biden from a foreign government.

diGenova used violent imagery in his comments.

First, he accused Democrats of “regicide” :lol

— which is the action of killing a king.

He then went on to refer to the two whistle-blowers as “suicide bombers.” :lol

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/trump-pal-tells-fox-news-the-whistleblowers-are-suicide-bombers-the-impeachment-is-killing-a-king/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29 (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/trump-pal-tells-fox-news-the-whistleblowers-are-suicide-bombers-the-impeachment-is-killing-a-king/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29)

[boutons_deux]

lol @ Moscow Mitch pretending some higher purpose...

Dems should vote on nothing until Trash is impeached, give absolutely nothing desired by Trash and the Repugs

[boutons_deux]

Trick Democrats into holding the vote too early,

so Trump and his inner circle won’t have as much of an opportunity

to blurt out incriminating facts or obstruct justice.

“I saw someone make the point today that

the reason Republicans are trying to press Nancy Pelosi for a vote now is

they think the politics of this will get worse the longer it goes,” said anchor Chris Hayes.

“And the vote margin now — if they can lock in a vote impeachment inquiry now,

it would look good for them. What do you think of that?”


“A dead fish never smells better a week later,” said Wilson.

“It’s going to get worse and

have more political consequences as time goes by.

That’s why they’re rushing.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/its-going-to-get-worse-rick-wilson-explains-why-the-gop-wants-to-tear-the-band-aid-off-sooner-on-impeachment/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29 (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/its-going-to-get-worse-rick-wilson-explains-why-the-gop-wants-to-tear-the-band-aid-off-sooner-on-impeachment/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29)

Impeachment won't go fast because it's being slowed down by the WH.

[diego]

We'll see... honestly, mummies like Pelosi are all too predictable about stuff like this, IMO... even though she's 300 years old, she won't throw her career/legacy by doing all it takes...

Just the fact she hesitated this much already was a bad omen.

yep, I see them failing again. and again because of old career mummies failing to react.

Trump wants this mayhem its part of his campaign, but a competent opposition should have already been able to corner him into at the very least keeping appearances. his shamelessness is his greatest appeal, he's already shown he'll skirt past the law as far as he can and his sustained attacks on the media have already made effect- fake news and alternate facts are global expressions now. these latest meltdowns hes become a caricature of tony soprano, it is so obvious he is in over his head as president but he is so good at campaigning that he still has a chance to get reelected, especially if the democrat alternative are status quo dolphins like hillary...

[TSA]

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181698015423275010

https://mobile.twitter.com/thebradfordfile/status/1181665087792267265

The Rake

https://mobile.twitter.com/DaveNYviii/status/1181746763339841536

before Zelensky was even elected :lmao

[Pavlov]

https://mobile.twitter.com/DaveNYviii/status/1181746763339841536

before Zelensky was even elected :lmao:lmao then why did Dennison demand it?

What a stupid motherfucker you say he is.

[Chris]

but he was a prosecutor

so was Rudy

[spurraider21]

so was Rudy
:lol touche

but your excuse was pulled out of your ass. own it

[hater]

that said, it's showtime for the Dems, tbh... let's see what kind of teeth they really have.

I honestly think they're going to fumble this one, and they ain't going to get a better one.

called it

you should have saved yourself the grief nigga and just went along with my initial call :lol

[ElNono]

You think Pelosi is running an impeachment inquiry bound by the constitution? yes or no :lol

Of course, there's nothing on the Constitution about requiring a vote. As noted on the document yourself posted, it's only been customary, not mandated.

A vote has political implications, clearly, and I would agree that it's political gamesmanship not to have it, but there's nothing unconstitutional about it.

[ElNono]

called it

you should have saved yourself the grief nigga and just went along with my initial call :lol

No grief here, tbh, I still want my prognostication of Dennison finishing his term to work out... even if he's the stupidest president I've ever seen.

[Chris]

:lol touche

but your excuse was pulled out of your ass. own it

Not an excuse, merely a deduction.

[ducks]

Good.
Hand over the promised tax returns.
Allow people in the WH to be questioned.
Adhere to supoenas.
Then we can get on with it.
done.

If they do not deal with it their asses will be sent home
Voted to get things done not resist
That is what they said

[spurraider21]

Not an excuse, merely a deduction.
just own it. not a big deal tbh

[hater]

No grief here, tbh, I still want my prognostication of Dennison finishing his term to work out... even if he's the stupidest president I've ever seen.

No way he matches dubya legendary stupidity.

Recklessness and unlikeable yes probably tops but Trump is sneaky smart but yes prone to making huge mistake once in a while

[benefactor]

Trump is sneaky smart
:lol

[boutons_deux]

:lmao then why did Dennison demand it?

What a stupid motherfucker you say he is.

Fox LYING to confirm to its stupid, ignorant base that the wb is a fraud, and their hero/gyro is still as Wonderful as ever.

[pgardn]

:lol

He outed himself.

But this escapes some like it was some master plan.
If the master plan was to make stupid useless trouble in every phase of his presidency, he has done a fine job.

Orange man loves himself some (many) lawyers.

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1181682899424350209?s=19

Interesting comments, eh Trumpettes? :lol

[boutons_deux]

‘There are more text messages’: Here’s why Trump seems terrified by the impeachment hearings

Trump’s move to block Ambassador Gordon Sondland — a key figure in the Ukraine scandal — from testifying before Congress suggested he may fear what could be revealed in such hearings.

Sondland was involved in a series of conversations revealed in texts (https://www.alternet.org/2019/10/my-nightmare-scenario-democrats-reveal-damning-texts-from-ukraine-investigation-here-are-7-key-revelations/) provided by former U.S. envoy Kurt Volker,

which detail a damning back-and-forth among the diplomats and Ukraine.

At one point, one State Department official, Bill Taylor, objects to

what they’re doing as a withholding “security assistance [from Ukraine] for help with a political campaign.”

Sondland replied, after more than four hours, with a legalistic reply denying any wrongdoing and saying they shouldn’t text any further.

“NBC News has confirmed today that Sondland spoke with the president before sending that awfully on-message reply and adds

that there are more text messages between the officials that haven’t yet been released to the public.

And if the substance of all those communications were something that White House lawyers felt so good about,

seems to me Sondland would be up on Capitol Hill right now telling that story, and

Donald Trump would be live-tweeting his own exoneration. But he’s not.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/there-are-more-text-messages-heres-why-trump-seems-terrified-by-the-impeachment-hearings/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1679 (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/there-are-more-text-messages-heres-why-trump-seems-terrified-by-the-impeachment-hearings/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1679)

[boutons_deux]

Lindsey Graham is ‘ready to throw Rudy Giuliani under the bus’: GOP strategist

the latest move by Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) to let Trump’s television lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, air his conspiracy theories before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

they’re setting him up.

If he has to testify under oath, he’s not just going to be answering Lindsey Graham’s questions,

he’s going to be answering democratic senators, three of which are presidential candidates, so it will be a complete show,”

“I’m not sure why they’re doing this, but again, it could be part of that

deflection and process instead of focusing on what the president is being charged with or investigated for,”

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/lindsey-graham-is-ready-to-throw-rudy-giuliani-under-the-bus-gop-strategist/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1679 (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/lindsey-graham-is-ready-to-throw-rudy-giuliani-under-the-bus-gop-strategist/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1679)

[boutons_deux]

White House staffers ‘lying low’ and

eyeing the exits as Trump faces impeachment:

‘Popping your head up leads to bad things’

White House staffers are paralyzed by a leadership crisis as President Donald Trump faces impeachment.

The president has insisted on handling the response himself, and his strategy has changed on a day-to-day basis, which

leaves staffers and chief of staff Mick Mulvaney unsure of their roles, reported Politic (https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/09/mulvaney-white-house-impeachment-trump-041138)o.

“Mick is lying low, but everyone is lying low,” a former senior administration official told the website.

“White House aides are hoping the president deals with this himself, and

everyone is trying to keep their heads down.”

Mick seems to be in the same shelter-in-place posture everyone is in.”

Mulvaney’s job was safe because no one else would want to be chief of staff to a president facing impeachment, and because

Mulvaney was too entangled in the Ukraine scandal to be forced out of the White House.

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/white-house-staffers-lying-low-and-eyeing-the-exits-as-trump-faces-impeachment-popping-your-head-up-leads-to-bad-things/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1679 (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/white-house-staffers-lying-low-and-eyeing-the-exits-as-trump-faces-impeachment-popping-your-head-up-leads-to-bad-things/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1679)

==========================

Mulvaney sidelined as Trump’s impeachment crisis rages

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/09/mulvaney-white-house-impeachment-trump-041138

[vy65]

Before the 2016 election, Dems were asking DT if he would accept the results.

Dems still haven’t accepted the results 3 years later.

True, it’s not like anything has happened in the intervening 3 years since.

[vy65]

It is in the constitution, and what Pelosi is attempting with her “faux impeachment inquiry” is unconstitutional.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/PAC-Letter-10.08.2019.pdf

Wasn’t aware the confrontation clause applied in a non-criminal impeachment proceeding. Maybe you can give us some authority that supports that claim?

[boutons_deux]

Dems accepted the stolen election of Trash

They look like, not sure at all, that they don't accept Trash violating his oath.

[TSA]

Of course, there's nothing on the Constitution about requiring a vote. As noted on the document yourself posted, it's only been customary, not mandated.

A vote has political implications, clearly, and I would agree that it's political gamesmanship not to have it, but there's nothing unconstitutional about it.

Due process isn’t protected by the constitution?

[TSA]

Wasn’t aware the confrontation clause applied in a non-criminal impeachment proceeding. Maybe you can give us some authority that supports that claim?

Never made that claim.

[boutons_deux]

Due process isn’t protected by the constitution?

What's in the Constitution is irrelevant, ignored in many cases. eg, separation of church and state, expectation of privacy, right to speedy trial are all violated frequenty, without enforcement.

co-equal branches of govt is being violated right now by Trash, his mafiya, Repugs.

The Constitution assumed mostly good faith with some checks and balances. Today the Repug/oligarchy/Christians operate in mostly BAD FAITH, wanting to uncheck the Exec into a theocratic, oligarchical authoritarianism.

[vy65]

Never made that claim.

The letter from Dear Leader's lawyer, which you obviously didn't read, did.

[vy65]

Due process isn’t protected by the constitution?

Madison's statement was a final blow to the theory that criminal provisions of the Bill of Rights necessarily applied to impeachment. In fact, very few members of the Framers' generation were in favor of the jury trial measure; most went on record as solidly against it. The debate and decision upon this issue-a full discussion followed by a lopsided, overwhelming vote against Tazewell's motion should destroy any intent-based argument that impeachment is a criminal process. The Framers' original intent, furthermore, contradicts the lower federal courts' recent tendency to apply some degree
of due process and other Bill of Rights guarantees to impeachment.' 7 Members of the 1787 Convention, members of the Congress that framed the Bill of Rights, and the author of the original
amendments opposed without qualification the idea that impeachment was a criminal process subject to constitutional criminal
provisions.

The Senate, however, is free to decide that such provisions should apply to impeachment, for each house of Congress determines its rules of proceedings.' Senators could thus voluntarily extend such rights to an impeachment defendant if they wished. But this decision must be that of the Senate alone. Any judicial effort to overrule the Senate's decision on this point would go against a compelling decision of the authors and ratifiers of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

https://digitalcommons.law.umaryland.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2867&context=mlr

[vy65]

What's in the Constitution is irrelevant

This is a stupid position to take. One of the stronger arguments for impeachment is DJT and the GOP's disdain for the rule of law. Which is exactly what you're suggesting here.

[RandomGuy]

Mitt can fucking die
White piece of shit

How dare he question your messiah.

[hater]

:lol constitution bad now :lol

[boutons_deux]

This is a stupid position to take. One of the stronger arguments for impeachment is DJT and the GOP's disdain for the rule of law. Which is exactly what you're suggesting here.

It's The Great Bouton's typically BRILLIANT take.

Impeachment will be only an irrevocable shitstain on Trash's legacy (and he knows it),

since Pure Bad Faith MoscowMitch and the Senate Repugs will disdain, ignore the Dems' A of I and not convict Trash, not even "try" Trash, proving my point and take.

[vy65]

Who said constitution bad?

[TSA]

Madison's statement was a final blow to the theory that criminal provisions of the Bill of Rights necessarily applied to impeachment. In fact, very few members of the Framers' generation were in favor of the jury trial measure; most went on record as solidly against it. The debate and decision upon this issue-a full discussion followed by a lopsided, overwhelming vote against Tazewell's motion should destroy any intent-based argument that impeachment is a criminal process. The Framers' original intent, furthermore, contradicts the lower federal courts' recent tendency to apply some degree
of due process and other Bill of Rights guarantees to impeachment.' 7 Members of the 1787 Convention, members of the Congress that framed the Bill of Rights, and the author of the original
amendments opposed without qualification the idea that impeachment was a criminal process subject to constitutional criminal
provisions.

The Senate, however, is free to decide that such provisions should apply to impeachment, for each house of Congress determines its rules of proceedings.' Senators could thus voluntarily extend such rights to an impeachment defendant if they wished. But this decision must be that of the Senate alone. Any judicial effort to overrule the Senate's decision on this point would go against a compelling decision of the authors and ratifiers of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

https://digitalcommons.law.umaryland.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2867&context=mlr:lol again arguing against claims not made

The Supreme Court has recognized that due process protections apply to all congressional investigations.8
Indeed, it has been recognized that the Due Process Clause applies to impeachment proceedings.9

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/PAC-Letter-10.08.2019.pdf

Is Pelosi running a confessional investigation? Yes or no.

[RandomGuy]

=5th time
Should Trump be impeached if he starts threatening countries for dirt on his political opponents, TSA? Simple yes or no question.

Sure [denial that denial that a threat was made for dirt]

Well, we have a standard we can both agree on [threatening another country for dirt on a political rival is an impeachable offense]. A step forward.
Is Ukraine dependent on US security guarantees and military aid to protect itself from Russia? yes or no.

The US contributes a lot to the protection of Ukraine. [denial that a threat was made for dirt]

Another yes.
We are indeed getting somewhere. 1st time
Was this aid suspended at any time? If so, when?
You might find this link helpful:
https://www.apnews.com/94fdeaddc6b34c02b97278674b87541e

[repeats denial that denial that a threat was made for dirt]

Not really an answer. We are attempting to establish facts concerning what you yourself admit should be impeachable. Hard to do when you fail to offer any.
The question remains.
Ukraine is dependent on the US for military and economic support. 2nd time
Was this aid suspended at any time? If so, when?

[repeats denial that denial that a threat was made for dirt]

Not really an answer.
We are attempting to establish facts concerning what you yourself admit should be impeachable.
Hard to do when you fail to offer any.
The question remains.
Ukraine is dependent on the US for military and economic support. 3rd time
Was this aid suspended at any time? If so, when?

[repeats denial that a threat was made for dirt]

Not really an answer.
We are attempting to establish facts concerning what you yourself admit should be impeachable.
Hard to do when you fail to offer any.
The question remains.
Ukraine is dependent on the US for military and economic support. 4th time
Was this aid suspended at any time? If so, when?

[ignores question, posts tweets]

Not really an answer.
We are attempting to establish facts concerning what you yourself admit should be impeachable.
Hard to do when you fail to offer any.
The question remains.
Ukraine is dependent on the US for military and economic support. 5th time
Was this aid suspended at any time? If so, when?

[ignores question, posts tweets deflecting from central question of impeachment]

Not really an answer to my question.
We are attempting to establish facts concerning what you yourself admit should be impeachable. Hard to do when you fail to offer any.
The question remains.
Ukraine is dependent on the US for military and economic support. [6th time
Was this aid suspended at any time? If so, when?

[ignores question, answers other posts]


People who cannot answer honest, fair questions are dishonest sophists.

TSA cannot answer answer honest, fair questions.

TSA is a dishonest sophist.
QED


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any of a class of professional teachers in ancient Greece who gave instruction in various fields, as in general culture, rhetoric, politics, or disputation.
a person belonging to this class at a later period who, while professing to teach skill in reasoning, concerned himself with ingenuity and specious effectiveness rather than soundness of argument.
a person who reasons adroitly and speciously rather than soundly.
The early manifestation of Dunning-Kruger.

Why are you dishonest here?

[vy65]

The Supreme Court has recognized that due process protections apply to all congressional investigations.8
Indeed, it has been recognized that the Due Process Clause applies to impeachment proceedings.

No, you couldn't be more wrong. The Supreme Court has explicitly held that impeachment is a non-justiciable political question - and that basic due process protections like judicial review don't apply. The one case cited in the letter as support for the claim that due process protections do apply was subsequently overturned:


The Supreme Court held that the power to try impeachments is granted by the Constitution to the Senate, and the Senate's use of that power presents nonjusticiable political questions. Nixon v. United States, ___ U.S. ___, 113 S.Ct. 732, 122 L.Ed.2d 1 (1993). Thus, the Senate's procedures for trying an impeached individual cannot be subject to review by the judiciary. Notwithstanding concerns about fundamental fairness, the Senate may appoint a committee comprised of less than the full Senate to hear evidence in an impeachment proceeding and report such evidence to the full Senate.

It may be worth noting that the facts involved in this case are different from those in Nixon. Plaintiff in this case was indicted in 1981 on charges of conspiracy to solicit and accept a bribe. On February 4, 1983, he was acquitted by a jury on all criminal charges brought against him. Six years later, in 1989, the Senate voted to convict plaintiff on eight articles of impeachment which substantially paralleled the charges on which he was acquitted in his criminal trial. In effect, the Senate was called upon to conduct a de novo trial of the plaintiff based upon the same facts which a jury concluded were not criminal. Instead of "trying" Judge Hastings before the full Senate, under Senate Rule XI testimony against Judge Hastings was received by a committee of twelve senators. In the final vote by the full Senate, less than two-thirds of the twelve senators comprising this committee voted to convict plaintiff on any of the articles of impeachment.

The Supreme Court's holding in Nixon precludes plaintiff from pursuing his case further. Given the distinction in facts and outcomes between this case and Nixon, it is indeed unfortunate that Hastings did not precede Nixon. As strongly as this Court believes that Judge Hastings' fundamental rights were violated, the Court recognizes that the Nixon decision compels that Judge Hastings' case be dismissed.

This Court believes that the events surrounding plaintiff's impeachment and conviction are an unfortunate chapter in the history of this country. A jury of plaintiff's peers voted unanimously to acquit him of all criminal charges in a trial presided over by one of this nation's ablest jurists.[3] Despite his acquittal, Judge Hastings was convicted on articles of impeachment by vote of the full Senate, although eighty-eight out of one hundred senators did not hear the evidence against him. It is clear that the guilt or innocence of Judge Hastings was treated simply as another piece of legislation. In no sense of the word was Judge Hastings "tried" by the full Senate. That having been said, because of the Nixon decision, there is no further relief that can be afforded Judge Hastings.

Hastings v. US, 837 F. Supp. 3, 5 (Dist. D.C. 1993)

Cases dealing with private citizens who testify before congress in quasi-criminal matters, where their right against self-incrimination is at stake, are irrelevant. Impeachment is a political act left to the Congress. Maybe next time try to learn something other than what DJT's lawyer wants you to think

[RandomGuy]

No, you couldn't be more wrong. The Supreme Court has explicitly held that impeachment is a non-justiciable political question - and that basic due process protections like judicial review don't apply. The one case cited in the letter as support for the claim that due process protections do apply was subsequently overturned:

Hastings v. US, 837 F. Supp. 3, 5 (Dist. D.C. 1993)

Cases dealing with private citizens who testify before congress in quasi-criminal matters, where their right against self-incrimination is at stake, are irrelevant. Impeachment is a political act left to the Congress. Maybe next time try to learn something other than what DJT's lawyer wants you to think

TSA here is rather like someone who has been sold the delusion of invulnerability in a cult before some sort of battle. The cult leaders give him cardboard weapons and a thin sheet for armor, and tell him that they are magic swords and armor. In the depths of this delusion they convince themselves that the lie is real, and go off to battle real soldiers with real weapons, and are shocked when those real weapons kill them.

What a hill to die on. It is a little sad to watch.

[vy65]

Also lol that conservative icon Rehnquist was the one who authored the Nixon opinion.

Where is your god now?

[boutons_deux]

Who said constitution bad?

I did, what's your problem?

[TSA]

No, you couldn't be more wrong. The Supreme Court has explicitly held that impeachment is a non-justiciable political question - and that basic due process protections like judicial review don't apply. The one case cited in the letter as support for the claim that due process protections do apply was subsequently overturned:



Hastings v. US, 837 F. Supp. 3, 5 (Dist. D.C. 1993)

Cases dealing with private citizens who testify before congress in quasi-criminal matters, where their right against self-incrimination is at stake, are irrelevant. Impeachment is a political act left to the Congress. Maybe next time try to learn something other than what DJT's lawyer wants you to thinkLooks like you may be correct on footnote 9. But you ignored my question about footnote 8.

Is Pelosi running a confessional investigation? Yes or no.

[vy65]

Looks like you may be correct on footnote 9. But you ignored my question about footnote 8.

Is Pelosi running a confessional investigation? Yes or no.

No, she's running an impeachment inquiry. Which is treated differently than a congressional investigation. That's Nixon and the Hasting decision I quoted. That's why Watkins and Quinn are inapplicable.

But I'm actually glad you recognize DJT's lawyer is quoting bad law for a rejected premise. At least we're getting somewhere.

[TSA]

People who cannot answer honest, fair questions are dishonest sophists.

TSA cannot answer answer honest, fair questions.

TSA is a dishonest sophist.
QED


The early manifestation of Dunning-Kruger.

Why are you dishonest here?

I already told you I’m not interested in playing your game of hypotheticals just to circle back to your original false claim.

[hater]

Who said constitution bad?

Whoever said it's irrelevant. Like some posters here and talking heads on tv

[vy65]

What's in the Constitution is irrelevant

This is a stupid position to take.