Church of Trump [Archive] - Page 13

Reck

03-16-2016, 11:09 PM

Both candidates have putrid unfavorable ratings.

Trump's Unfavorable Rating: 62%
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/donald-trump-favorable-rating

Hillary's Unfavorably Rating: 54%
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating

And I don't agree with what you said about Hillary. I never thought in a million years I would even consider a non-democrat POTUS candidate, but she has driven me right out of the party. I will be voting for Trump over her. I doubt I'm completely alone on that.

And that's why I said Hillary is not far behind.

But 54 is a shit ton better than 60. At least she's a consistent 50 percenter. Trump's unfavoritable ratings keep going up. Next month, they'll be at 70 and so on.

Reck

03-16-2016, 11:12 PM

That's trump without gop backing. I mean, Reck, there are superPACs without any candidate supporting their message going after him. You bbasically have Trump voters vs establishment (and liberal in open primary) voters. He should have a much lower favorability. Also Reagan had horrible favorability until he was the candidate, iirc he was between 30-45% for a while.

If the gop backs him, which it probably wont unless he can get the magic number, his support will grow. Hilary isn't the strong candidate people make her out to be and she really does have a good shot at losing to Trump because she's actually disliked by blue voters like Trump is by red voters. If Trump continues like this into the GE with full support, I don't see this being a slam dunk for hHillary like people think.

I dont really buy that.

Backed or not, he's not going to magically gain the black or hispanic supporters, which you need to win. He's done enough damaged for the hispanics to be completely against him.

Blacks ain't happening either. Basically he has the white angry voters amped up. You cant win with just whites.

djohn2oo8

03-16-2016, 11:18 PM

hater

03-16-2016, 11:21 PM

Los latinos votamos por el Trump. Callate pendejo

DMX7

03-16-2016, 11:22 PM

Not even Trump knows what he got in store for her.

That's part of his genius!

Mitch

03-16-2016, 11:28 PM

I dont really buy that.

Backed or not, he's not going to magically gain the black or hispanic supporters, which you need to win. He's done enough damaged for the hispanics to be completely against him.

Blacks ain't happening either. Basically he has the white angry voters amped up. You cant win with just whites.

You can't win when a large part of your party also dislikes you as well, Reck. Remember that Hillary won't automatically get the democrat votes like Trump won't automatically get the republican votes. Bernie and Cruz would get the usual treatment and we'll have the swing state battles like normal - but trump / hillary isn't that kind of battle.

In my honest opinion, if Trump is nominated and Hillary doesn't fuck it up, the winner in the general election will have a one sided victory because it will be a battle of who screws up big time first.

Reck

03-16-2016, 11:30 PM

Blacks, Hispanics, Women, Independents. Which one of those can he win?

Well he's got rmt's vote. :lol

I dont understand how women can get behind him when he's clearly a sexist and absolutely not for them in the least.

Luckily, I dont think it outweights the majority though.

Reck

03-16-2016, 11:35 PM

You can't win when a large part of your party also dislikes you as well, Reck. Remember that Hillary won't automatically get the democrat votes like Trump won't automatically get the republican votes. Bernie and Cruz would get the usual treatment and we'll have the swing state battles like normal - but trump / hillary isn't that kind of battle.

In my honest opinion, if Trump is nominated and Hillary doesn't fuck it up, the winner in the general election will have a one sided victory because it will be a battle of who screws up big time first.

True.

But whom do you dislike more? It will come down to who is worst.

And the choice from my seat is clear.

Mitch

03-17-2016, 12:17 AM

True.

But whom do you dislike more? It will come down to who is worst.

And the choice from my seat is clear.

You already know Hillary is the worst choice for me, she'll probably throw us into another war on top of dealing with ISIS. I just think Trump will try to push the US to be less of a world police. I don't buy into that whole make america great again shtick, but he's just less capable of fucking the country up - if he goes crazy, congress would just cockblock him.

Splits

03-17-2016, 12:21 AM

Mitch

03-17-2016, 12:25 AM

You seriously think he's going to respect the will of Congress?

Example --> Obama did executive orders, here are mine (jackboots into every non-white household to find illegals)

He's far more likely to than Hilary, tbh

anyways here's some pictures
https://grrrgraphics.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/trump_sprinker_ben_garrison.jpg?w=640&h=499
http://www.grrrgraphics.com/images/trump_hero_rgb_ben_garrison.jpg
http://www.grrrgraphics.com/images/internata_ben_tina_garrison.jpg

Mitch

03-17-2016, 12:32 AM

http://www.grrrgraphics.com/images/trump_wall_ben_garrison.jpg

Splits

03-17-2016, 12:33 AM

He's far more likely to than Hilary, tbh

anyways here's some pictures
https://grrrgraphics.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/trump_sprinker_ben_garrison.jpg?w=640&h=499
http://www.grrrgraphics.com/images/trump_hero_rgb_ben_garrison.jpg
http://www.grrrgraphics.com/images/internata_ben_tina_garrison.jpg

Don't find any of those particularly funny.

I do think that the "it could never happen to us!" mindset of fascism descending into our country is, while not likely, never been closer. The guy is literally flouting the rule of law, endorsing torture, demonizing non-whites, and advocating state-sponsored violence against his domestic enemies. His policies of deportation are basically sending jackboots into every non-white household to root out "illegals". I don't think it is likely, but it is a real threat. We're only in March and shit is basically out of control at his rallies and his rhetoric, which he never apologizes for and doubles-down whenever called out.

I know you're a smart guy, Mitch. Don't underestimate the danger he poses.

Mitch

03-17-2016, 12:36 AM

Don't find any of those particularly funny.

I do think that the "it could never happen to us!" mindset of fascism descending into our country is, while not likely, never been closer. The guy is literally flouting the rule of law, endorsing torture, demonizing non-whites, and advocating state-sponsored violence against his domestic enemies. His policies of deportation are basically sending jackboots into every non-white household to root out "illegals". I don't think it is likely, but it is a real threat. We're only in March and shit is basically out of control at his rallies and his rhetoric, which he never apologizes for and doubles-down whenever called out.

I know you're a smart guy, Mitch. Don't underestimate the danger he poses.

You keep thinking I support him for some reason :lol

He's my 2nd worse candidate, Hilary just happens to be the worse. I like Bernie, even though he won't get most of his crap done, he'll shake up the white house in a better way. Cruz and Kasich would be more predictable, but I really don't trust Kasich when it comes to avoiding wars.

Also, cmon have a sense of humor, I thought the rubio one was pretty damn funny

Splits

03-17-2016, 12:45 AM

You keep thinking I support him for some reason :lol

He's my 2nd worse candidate, Hilary just happens to be the worse. I like Bernie, even though he won't get most of his crap done, he'll shake up the white house in a better way. Cruz and Kasich would be more predictable, but I really don't trust Kasich when it comes to avoiding wars.

Also, cmon have a sense of humor, I thought the rubio one was pretty damn funny

If Shillary is your 2nd to Trump, then you do support him. I don't know how any rational person could not see the danger of a Fascist state being implemented under a "Trump Administration". You might think it is funny, and I love the fact that he is destroying the GOP, but if he were actually elected (in my mind a 10% chance), the policies he would implement are not a joke. He's a serious threat to democracy as we know it. People think 1920's Italy could never happen here --- it can under the wrong toxic circumstances.

Reck

03-17-2016, 12:49 AM

You already know Hillary is the worst choice for me, she'll probably throw us into another war on top of dealing with ISIS. I just think Trump will try to push the US to be less of a world police. I don't buy into that whole make america great again shtick, but he's just less capable of fucking the country up - if he goes crazy, congress would just cockblock him.

You and I get along great but I dont get you on this.

Trump is likelier to get us in a deeper mess we will not get out of any time soon.

Hillary will fuck up but it won't be a deep of a hole imo. Specially when she knows she's been watched. She's not going to get us in another war either. After the Iraq debable, ain't no way she'll be for another one again.

Trump is far, far worse than Hillary. Based on how much of a wild card he is.

Now when you actually consider what he might do...it gets worse.

Mitch

03-17-2016, 12:57 AM

If Shillary is your 2nd to Trump, then you do support him. I don't know how any rational person could not see the danger of a Fascist state being implemented under a "Trump Administration". You might think it is funny, and I love the fact that he is destroying the GOP, but if he were actually elected (in my mind a 10% chance), the policies he would implement are not a joke. He's a serious threat to democracy as we know it. People think 1920's Italy could never happen here --- it can under the wrong toxic circumstances.

Executive orders don't give a president as much power as you'd think, Splits. The house has already been working on setting a precedent to challenge executive orders when Obama made changes to his healthcare plan. Let's be a little reasonable here and understand that Trump is unlikely to get irrational things through congress and an irrational executive order can be dealt with through our checks and balances. The second Trump tries to do some crazy crap, something that you just couldn't imagine happening, he'd get shut down and we'd see a combined effort to limit executive power further.

Hilary, on the other hand, I feel would have a much better chance going through congress and I truly believe she is a certified warhawk. I'd put the farm on her starting another war aside from dealing with ISIS.

Mitch

03-17-2016, 12:59 AM

You and I get along great but I dont get you on this.

Trump is likelier to get us in a deeper mess we will not get out of any time soon.

Hillary will fuck up but it won't be a deep of a hole imo. Specially when she knows she's been watched. She's not going to get us in another war either. After the Iraq debable, ain't no way she'll be for another one again.

Trump is far, far worse than Hillary. Based on how much of a wild card he is.

Now when you actually consider what he might do...it gets worse.

It's cool we don't agree, Reck. I mean, we agree both are shitty candidates- you just think Trump is shittier.

I hope I'm wrong and Hilary will be 4 more years of Obama. She's the likely president at the moment unless Trump keeps chugging along and getting away with murder.

Reck

03-17-2016, 01:09 AM

I hope I'm wrong and Hilary will be 4 more years of Obama. She's the likely president at the moment unless Trump keeps chugging along and getting away with murder.

That's basically what I'm banking on.

4 More years of the same thing is a lot better than 4 more years of what Trump could do. That straight up scares me.

I have no illusion that Hillary will actually improve the country.

For some reason I think of North Korea when I think of a Trump presidency. Of course it won't be that bad but I genuinely think Trump would impede certain freedoms we enjoy and take from granted.

Mitch

03-17-2016, 01:17 AM

That's basically what I'm banking on.

4 More years of the same thing is a lot better than 4 more years of what Trump could do. That straight up scares me.

I have no illusion that Hillary will actually improve the country.

For some reason I think of North Korea when I think of a Trump presidency. Of course it won't be that bad but I genuinely think Trump would impede certain freedoms we enjoy and take from granted.

We'll see, Reck. I'm just hoping for Hilary to magically go to jail and Bernie to be nominated - he would easily beat any GOP candidate.

Aztecfan03

03-17-2016, 02:00 AM

Right wing Republicans probably hate Trump a lot more than the moderates do.
damn right

rmt

03-17-2016, 03:09 AM

Trump knows this and he wants to bring in Europeans

from CPAC 2013

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Well, he does like them - he married two European immigrants.

rmt

03-17-2016, 03:43 AM

Well he's got rmt's vote. :lol

I dont understand how women can get behind him when he's clearly a sexist and absolutely not for them in the least.

Luckily, I dont think it outweights the majority though.

51% of the republican primary vote in Florida were women. Trump got 40% of them - that's 464,493 women. He got 26% of the Hispanic vote - that's 592,001. In contrast, Rubio got 52% of Hispanics. IMO, Trump is not racist, fascist, sexist or whatever or ist - he just says controversial stuff to get free media so he doesn't have to pay more than necessary out of his own pocket. Seems like what he says and what he does (employment-wise) doesn't match (see http://news.yahoo.com/whats-up-with-donald-trump-and-the-women-not-090043983.html)

Splits

03-17-2016, 07:27 AM

Executive orders don't give a president as much power as you'd think, Splits. The house has already been working on setting a precedent to challenge executive orders when Obama made changes to his healthcare plan. Let's be a little reasonable here and understand that Trump is unlikely to get irrational things through congress and an irrational executive order can be dealt with through our checks and balances. The second Trump tries to do some crazy crap, something that you just couldn't imagine happening, he'd get shut down and we'd see a combined effort to limit executive power further.

Hilary, on the other hand, I feel would have a much better chance going through congress and I truly believe she is a certified warhawk. I'd put the farm on her starting another war aside from dealing with ISIS.

My Shillary stance is clear.

But you're missing my point, Congress would be nothing but an ant in a Trump admin. There would be no "checks and balances". Just exactly what are they going to do? File a court order? Hold 2 years worth of impeachment hearings? Big deal. He's the dear leader of the biggest military in the world (which he loves). His millions of "2nd Amendment" (which he loves) followers have his back. Fascists flout the rule of law.

Yes, American democratic institutions are more hardened than anywhere else, but that doesn't mean the above scenario is not a real threat. History tends to repeat itself and we're not immune.

Spurminator

03-17-2016, 08:59 AM

Jesus, those comics look like the Onion political cartoons. All they're missing is the Statue of Liberty fawning over Trump.

Mitch

03-17-2016, 10:25 AM

My Shillary stance is clear.

But you're missing my point, Congress would be nothing but an ant in a Trump admin. There would be no "checks and balances". Just exactly what are they going to do? File a court order? Hold 2 years worth of impeachment hearings? Big deal. He's the dear leader of the biggest military in the world (which he loves). His millions of "2nd Amendment" (which he loves) followers have his back. Fascists flout the rule of law.

Yes, American democratic institutions are more hardened than anywhere else, but that doesn't mean the above scenario is not a real threat. History tends to repeat itself and we're not immune.

I just don't see a scenerio where he could ccompletely ignore checks & balances, Splits. Executive orders don't have THAT much power or a president would have eliminated his own term limits by now. We also can't really turn into fascist Italy because we don't have a king who controls the military.

You can have your opinion and all, but know there's really no scenario we can become a dictatorship at the moment. There would have to be a huge betrayal of the people to cause an uprising which could make that happen.

tlongII

03-17-2016, 10:34 AM

Splits

03-17-2016, 12:11 PM

I just don't see a scenerio where he could ccompletely ignore checks & balances, Splits. Executive orders don't have THAT much power or a president would have eliminated his own term limits by now. We also can't really turn into fascist Italy because we don't have a king who controls the military.

You can have your opinion and all, but know there's really no scenario we can become a dictatorship at the moment. There would have to be a huge betrayal of the people to cause an uprising which could make that happen.

He is openly flouting the law promising to torture "terrorists" (very fluid term) and kill their families. He's claimed there might be "30 million illegals", not the consensus 11-12. Just how would he deport them? He doesn't say, but obviously it would be impossible unless he sends SWAT teams into people's homes, puts them on buses, and ships them out without due process. Not long after, a "terrorist" and an "illegal" are the same thing.

You're right, we don't have a "king" we have a "commander in chief" that controls the military and people are brainwashed enough to swallow propaganda whole. The Presidency has extreme power. Just what is going to happen if he starts behaving like a dictator? He's displayed all of the characteristics of one with violent "us vs. them" rhetoric, he never backs down but doubles down, admires other strongmen leaders, didn't denounce the interment camps of the 40s etc. Just because we have laws doesn't mean he has to obey them or pay the consequences. An October ISIS surprise could send the pussies in this country (like 80% of the population) into hysteria. I'm not saying it is remotely likely, but to dismiss it outright is naive. We're not some special Godsent people immune from tyranny.

Sportcamper

03-17-2016, 12:15 PM

And just who is more likely to betray the people of America? Hillary of course.

http://38.media.tumblr.com/f2d94a096c074c1674484533a1a41f47/tumblr_inline_n5etc4sMrq1qas9c0.gif

Reck

03-17-2016, 12:18 PM

51% of the republican primary vote in Florida were women. Trump got 40% of them - that's 464,493 women. He got 26% of the Hispanic vote - that's 592,001. In contrast, Rubio got 52% of Hispanics. IMO, Trump is not racist, fascist, sexist or whatever or ist - he just says controversial stuff to get free media so he doesn't have to pay more than necessary out of his own pocket. Seems like what he says and what he does (employment-wise) doesn't match (see http://news.yahoo.com/whats-up-with-donald-trump-and-the-women-not-090043983.html)

Well he's nothing if not consistent. He's being saying these type of stuff for over 20 years now.

Didn't one of his ex wife accused him of rape or some shit? He had to give her money to shut her up. :lol

Mitch

03-17-2016, 12:25 PM

He is openly flouting the law promising to torture "terrorists" (very fluid term) and kill their families. He's claimed there might be "30 million illegals", not the consensus 11-12. Just how would he deport them? He doesn't say, but obviously it would be impossible unless he sends SWAT teams into people's homes, puts them on buses, and ships them out without due process. Not long after, a "terrorist" and an "illegal" are the same thing.

You're right, we don't have a "king" we have a "commander in chief" that controls the military and people are brainwashed enough to swallow propaganda whole. The Presidency has extreme power. Just what is going to happen if he starts behaving like a dictator? He's displayed all of the characteristics of one with violent "us vs. them" rhetoric, he never backs down but doubles down, admires other strongmen leaders, etc. Just because we have laws doesn't mean he has to obey them or pay the consequences. An October ISIS surprise could send the pussies in this country (like 80% of the population) into hysteria. I'm not saying it is remotely likely, but to dismiss it outright is naive. We're not some special Godsent people immune from tyranny.

You really have to filter out his rhetoric a little, Splits. Trump also says he will make Apple produce iphones in the US, do you believe that? The very worst that will happen is that he throws a tantrum and the government locks its doors for a week or two. Trump's authority isn't going to be any more than Obama, Bush, Clinton or Bush Sr. had. Trump would have to be a political mastermind to game the government so well as to push forward things that the House and Congress would reject with overwhelming majority.

The president does have a lot of power since it's just one guy with one third of the power. But you have the house and congress still, do you actually think they would be powerless? Do you think a president alone can sidestep congress writing laws, ratifying treaties and overturning vetoes? If trump even began to abuse executive powers in such a way that you fear, we would see the immediate response of a push to limit the power of the executive branch - which should happen anyways because the constitution didn't design the powers of the president to have the media strength it does today.

Splits

03-17-2016, 12:40 PM

You really have to filter out his rhetoric a little, Splits.

No, you don't.

Trump also says he will make Apple produce iphones in the US, do you believe that?

Why not?

The president does have a lot of power since it's just one guy with one third of the power. But you have the house and congress still, do you actually think they would be powerless? Do you think a president alone can sidestep congress writing laws, ratifying treaties and overturning vetoes?

Absolutely. Not under normal circumstances, but Trump is anything but normal.

If trump even began to abuse executive powers in such a way that you fear, we would see the immediate response of a push to limit the power of the executive branch - which should happen anyways because the constitution didn't design the powers of the president to have the media strength it does today.

To which he would say "fuck you, Martial law due to invasion from Mexico endangers public safety, put that in your article 1 section 9 pipe and fucking smoke it".

Like I said, we're not some special Godsent people immune from tyranny. Just because we have democratic institutions does not mean they can't fail.

Reck

03-17-2016, 12:50 PM

Mitch

03-17-2016, 01:22 PM

You have to see it both ways.

Bot of you make good points.

I can see Trump defying the law and trying to execute order all type of shit that congress tries to block.

You have to realize Trump is like a kid. He will try to do some crazy shit when denied. You dont think he wouldn't at least exercise some of the power he would have as president do you, Mitch?

Like I keep telling Splits, the executive orders aren't as powerful as they seem. Obama used one to change his healthcare plan and he took flak for it. If any president tries to truly abuse it, not make simply unpopular moves, he will get his ass handed to him by the combined effort of the House and Congress.

Trump is a smart guy, Reck. He has been involved in politics for decades, he is unlikely to just walk into congress and say "hey guys, im gonna send back 10 million hispanics, you in?". That's how he treats us, the voters, because he knows most of us don't know how to translate political talk. If you're smart, you talk to the voters in the simplest tone possible.

Unless he somehow suffered brain damage, I think he will be a different person if he's not catering to voters.
This would be an example

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rksd80-FCAw

Mitch

03-17-2016, 01:25 PM

No, you don't.

Why not?

Absolutely. Not under normal circumstances, but Trump is anything but normal.

To which he would say "fuck you, Martial law due to invasion from Mexico endangers public safety, put that in your article 1 section 9 pipe and fucking smoke it".

Like I said, we're not some special Godsent people immune from tyranny. Just because we have democratic institutions does not mean they can't fail.

Splits, bro, there is no way he can take office and just piss on the House's and Congress' breakfast. The story might be different if he had 100,000,000 american people behind him, but he doesn't and he won't have any ability to walk through checks & balances.

Splits

03-17-2016, 01:29 PM

Splits, bro, there is no way he can take office and just piss on the House's and Congress' breakfast. The story might be different if he had 100,000,000 american people behind him, but he doesn't and he won't have any ability to walk through checks & balances.

Disagree. All he needs is 2,000,000. They're called the US Armed Forces.

Mitch

03-17-2016, 01:34 PM

Disagree. All he needs is 2,000,000. They're called the US Armed Forces.

Splits, the president can't tell northcom to just do what he says.

Splits

03-17-2016, 01:40 PM

Like I keep telling Splits, the executive orders aren't as powerful as they seem.

Ever heard of the Emancipation Proclamation? FDR used an executive order to have the military forcibly put the Japanese in internment camps during WWII. Clinton fought the Kosovo war with one. Truman took over federal control of all steel mills with one.

But you're right, they're just little pieces of paper the President keeps. Probably sticky notes in that silly Trump administration, just hang them on his wall as a reminder of what he said during the campaign that he would never try to act on!

Splits

03-17-2016, 01:41 PM

Splits, the president can't tell northcom to just do what he says.

Right. That's never happened before. History never repeats itself.

Mitch

03-17-2016, 01:45 PM

Right. That's never happened before. History never repeats itself.

Not in modern history at a fraction of the scale you believe, no.

Mitch

03-17-2016, 02:24 PM

:lmao Trump is just making a joke out of this election

Here you go, Reck, this is some unprofessional crap to laugh at

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Reck

03-17-2016, 02:27 PM

:lmao Trump is just making a joke out of this election

Here you go, Reck (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14412), this is some unprofessional crap to laugh at

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:lmao

I love it.

This guy keeps playing junior high school type games with both parties. Theres no way the GOP will get behind this guy.

I dont get Trump. One day he says there will be a healing process within the GOP and the next day he shits on Cruz and threatens that if he's not elected that his supporters will riot. :lmao

Too good.

DMX7

03-17-2016, 02:31 PM

They'll get behind him and they'll like it... or he'll blow the whole thing up.

Mitch

03-17-2016, 02:34 PM

:lmao

I love it.

This guy keeps playing junior high school type games with both parties. Theres no way the GOP will get behind this guy.

I dont get Trump. One day he says there will be a healing process within the GOP and the next day he shits on Cruz and threatens that if he's not elected that his supporters will riot. :lmao

Too good.

They just don't want to make America great again, tbh

He should tweet this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLKpIjCidEY

DMX7

03-17-2016, 02:39 PM

They just don't want to make America great again, tbh

He should tweet this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLKpIjCidEY

Beautiful! :cry

Splits

03-17-2016, 02:47 PM

Beautiful! :cry

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Reck

03-17-2016, 02:53 PM

:cry

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And he was giving Hillary a hard time with Make America whole again.

At least she's not borrowing old slogans. :lol

rmt

03-17-2016, 03:47 PM

You really have to filter out his rhetoric a little, Splits. Trump also says he will make Apple produce iphones in the US, do you believe that? The very worst that will happen is that he throws a tantrum and the government locks its doors for a week or two. Trump's authority isn't going to be any more than Obama, Bush, Clinton or Bush Sr. had. Trump would have to be a political mastermind to game the government so well as to push forward things that the House and Congress would reject with overwhelming majority.

The president does have a lot of power since it's just one guy with one third of the power. But you have the house and congress still, do you actually think they would be powerless? Do you think a president alone can sidestep congress writing laws, ratifying treaties and overturning vetoes? If trump even began to abuse executive powers in such a way that you fear, we would see the immediate response of a push to limit the power of the executive branch - which should happen anyways because the constitution didn't design the powers of the president to have the media strength it does today.

If Trump ever wins the presidency, he'll be so frustrated. It's unbelievable how slowly government moves and how many hoops you have to go through to get anything done. He'll be raring to go with so much to do and coming from private industry where things move quickly. Added to that, he doesn't really know how government really works. Sometimes, I think Cruz being VP would be a good thing - he can follow him around telling him, "No Donald, a president can't do that constitutionally."

And really, from everything that's been happening this season, Congress will have no problem blocking him, reprimanding him, even impeaching him. The establishment's done just about everything to him already. Everyone's already saying that he's INCITING riots from his quote about what might happen in Cleveland if they give the nomination to someone else, and he's just voicing what everyone's thinking.

boutons_deux

03-17-2016, 03:49 PM

The gangster candidate: Donald Trump and his supporters behave like the mafia, with veiled threats and acting above the law

Trump acts like a mobster more than a candidate, by issuing threats and enticing police to act like his muscle

One of the most notable aspects of the authoritarian personality, the kind that tends towards fascism, is for all the fetishizing of “law and order,” there is a tendency to think the rules are only for other people, and that you and yours are justified in breaking them.

So it is with Donald Trump, who crossed yet another line on Wednesday, in which he leveraged the threat of violence (http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/03/16/donald-trump-warns-of-riots-if-party-blocks-him-at-convention/) in order to scare Republican leaders away from blocking his nomination at a brokered convention.

“I think we’ll win before getting to the convention, but I can tell you, if we didn’t and if we’re 20 votes short or if we’re 100 short and we’re at 1,100 and somebody else is at 500 or 400, because we’re way ahead of everybody, I don’t think you can say that we don’t get it automatically,” Trump said on CNN. “I think it would be — I think you’d have riots. I think you’d have riots. I’m representing a tremendous, many, many millions of people.”

It’s framed as a warning, but make no mistake: This is a threat. This is pure movie mafiosi stuff: Nice convention there. Shame if something happened to it.

Trump’s ease in speaking like a gangster issuing veiled threats shouldn’t be the biggest surprise. While it’s gotten lost in the shuffle of the primaries, there’s a long history of allegations against Trump that he has ties to organized crime (http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/31/politics/trump-mob-mafia/), hiring mob-controlled companies to build properties like his Trump Plaza condos. A great deal of his history of “deal-making” that he loves to brag about involves dealing with people who have literally been charged, investigated, and convicted of organized crime (https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/trump-swam-in-mob-infested-waters-in-early-years-as-an-nyc-developer/2015/10/16/3c75b918-60a3-11e5-b38e-06883aacba64_story.html).

But now that mentality — do what I want, or there will be violent consequences — is being applied to electoral politics.

The abuse of protesters, the inciting language, the bullying of the press, and even putting your supporters (http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/ben-carson-defends-trump-attacks-220881) through humiliating displays of submission (http://www.salon.com/2016/03/03/stephen_colbert_mocks_sad_hostage_chris_christie_l ike_the_best_man_at_a_wedding_he_never_believed_in/)? That’s some real “Goodfellas” shit, right there.

Which opens up the question of the role that law enforcement plays in this. While Trump usually dances at the edge of the law, violence is, as much as his followers might forget this at times, still illegal. But, as any good gangster knows, if you get the cops on your side, then the law tends to be less of an obstacle than it might otherwise be.

On this front, there are some serious reasons to be concerned. The incident at a North Carolina rally where a Trump supporter sucker punched (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/10/trump-protester-sucker-punched-at-north-carolina-rally-videos-show/) a non-violent protester has drawn a huge amount of attention, thankfully, but one under-examined aspect is the role the five sheriff’s deputies that were leading the protesters played in the whole thing.

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/17/the_gangster_candidate_donald_trump_and_his_suppor ters_behave_like_the_mafia_with_veiled_threats_and _acting_above_the_law/

CosmicCowboy

03-17-2016, 04:02 PM

Boo, you don't build in New York without paying off the Politicians/Mob.

Reck

03-17-2016, 04:10 PM

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-uses-language-typical-of-children-under-11-a6936256.html

Donald Trump Vocabulary and grammar is typical of 11 year or younger children. :lol

Spurminator

03-17-2016, 04:23 PM

Even if Trump is rendered completely powerless to execute any of his agenda, he still has the most powerful podium in the world for communicating a message. He is the primary PR representative for the US on the world stage, and what he says has more impact on the content and tone of American political discourse.

Nobody should want Trump even having that kind of influence.

rmt

03-17-2016, 04:38 PM

Reck

03-17-2016, 04:40 PM

Seems to me that he already has the media wrapped around his little finger even without the position of president.

Fox doesn't count.

CNN and the others are in it for the ratings. They dont actually foam at the mouth like Fox and Breitbart do.

Dirk Oneanddoneski

03-17-2016, 04:43 PM

Hater handling Reck, Splits, and Troll Chimpin

FCjjVSmop5Q

http://i.imgur.com/mEQohiI.jpg

Reck

03-17-2016, 04:46 PM

Hater handling Reck, Splits, and Troll Chimpin

FCjjVSmop5Q

http://i.imgur.com/mEQohiI.jpg

:lmao

Where?

rmt

03-17-2016, 04:47 PM

Fox doesn't count.

CNN and the others are in it for the ratings. They dont actually foam at the mouth like Fox and Breitbart do.

Trump still dominates their coverage. You're mistaken about Fox - they want to take down Trump too (except Hannity). Meghan Kelly would like nothing better than for him to fall flat on his face. Trump's getting it from all angles.

Reck

03-17-2016, 04:48 PM

Hater handling Reck, Splits, and Troll Chimpin

FCjjVSmop5Q

http://i.imgur.com/mEQohiI.jpg

:lmao never mind. I just figured out who you are. :lmao

Spurminator

03-17-2016, 05:02 PM

Seems to me that he already has the media wrapped around his little finger even without the position of president.

If he loses the race he loses that platform. The media pays attention because he's doing all of this while running for President, and with success.

When he loses, he's just another lunatic. It's not a story anymore. His influence will be limited to his Twitter account and guest appearances on Michael Savage or that kind of shit.

boutons_deux

03-18-2016, 04:36 AM

from one of the nastiest, most corrupt Repug POS

Gov. Rick Scott refuses to rule out mob violence if Trump is passed over as GOP nominee

FL Gov. Rick Scott suggested disgruntled Donald Trump supporters might be justified in rioting if the Republican Party chooses another presidential nominee — but he refused to say whether those upheavals would be violent.

The GOP presidential frontrunner said Wednesday (https://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/donald-trump-primes-supporters-for-violence-there-will-be-riots-if-i-dont-get-the-nomination/) that his supporters could take to the streets if he’s passed over as the nominee at the Republican National Convention in Cleveland.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/gov-rick-scott-refuses-to-rule-out-mob-violence-if-trump-is-passed-over-as-gop-nominee/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

djohn2oo8

03-18-2016, 09:25 AM

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The editorial board of the Wall Street Journal hit back against Donald Trump Friday amid the ongoing war of words between the two.

03/18/16 07:39 AM EDT

The Wall Street Journal fired back at Donald Trump on Thursday evening, hours after the Republican candidate demanded the newspaper's editorial board apologize for*pointing out*that he has thus far received fewer votes compared to Hillary Clinton in the primaries.

"On Thursday the businessman demanded an apology after we—'the dummies at the @WSJ Editorial Board'—accurately noted that Hillary Clinton has received about a million more votes than he has," the board*wrote*in a piece headlined "A Trump Reality Check."

"The truth hurts, though Mr. Trump would rather walk down Fifth Avenue shooting the me
"Clinton primary vote total is 8,646,551.Trump's is 7,533,692"-a knock. But she had only 3 opponents-I had 16.Apologize," Trump tweeted Thursday morning.

Later in the evening, the paper responded, "Actually his rise has been cleared by the large and fractured GOP field. Of the 20.35 million GOP primary votes cast so far, he has received 7.54 million, or a mere 37%. Despite the media desire to call him unstoppable, Mr. Trump is the weakest Republican front-runner since Gerald Ford in 1976."

"The opinions he should care about are the 39% of GOP voters who said in Tuesday’s exit polls that they would consider supporting a third-party candidate if Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton are the nominees, or the 44% of non-Trump GOP voters who said they won’t cast a ballot for him in November," the editorial board concluded. "As Mr. Trump likes to tweet, better be careful!"

Read more:*http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/wall-street-journal-warns-trump-220958#ixzz43GTAXVfp*
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Reck

03-18-2016, 10:24 AM

hater

03-18-2016, 11:05 AM

:lol Wall "CIA mouthpiece" Street "Journal" :lol

DMX7

03-18-2016, 11:11 AM

Trump ruins Fox News debate and Rupert Murdoch decides to strike back in the WSJ.

boutons_deux

03-18-2016, 11:43 AM

Trump is certainly seen at least as a standard Repug misogynist

Half of American Women Hate Trump According to New Poll

Reuters said Trump’s “very unfavorable” rating among women has increased 10 points since October.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/half-american-women-hate-trump-according-new-poll

DarrinS

03-18-2016, 01:52 PM

Lol, civility

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIjljucvBI4

Winehole23

03-18-2016, 01:58 PM

https://www.quora.com/Would-Donald-Trump-defeat-Hillary-Clinton-Who-would-win-if-they-face-each-other-in-the-general-election/answer/Matthew-Gagnon-1

pgardn

03-18-2016, 02:23 PM

Lol, civility

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIjljucvBI4

Seriously...

What do you expect from a college crowd mixed with a bunch of young kids?
During college football games we got lilly white frat boys from Penn. St peeing on older Ohio St alums coming to the game. Peeing FROM the stadium at height.

Show the 70 year old white guy sucker punching a black kid disrupting a Trump rally...I consider this a bit more odd.

rmt

03-18-2016, 03:01 PM

Lol, civility

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIjljucvBI4

It's sad what's happening on college campuses. For all the bluster and protests, Cook County (Chicago) went 41% to Trump (Kasich 25%, Cruz 22% Rubio 10%). So what race is that woman with the grey hair - she looks white to me but is bashing white privilege.

ChumpDumper

03-18-2016, 04:36 PM

It's sad what's happening on college campuses. For all the bluster and protests, Cook County (Chicago) went 41% to Trump (Kasich 25%, Cruz 22% Rubio 10%). So what race is that woman with the grey hair - she looks white to me but is bashing white privilege.It's always about race with you guys....

boutons_deux

03-18-2016, 04:52 PM

"she looks white to me but is bashing white privilege."

it's white MALE privilege, which maybe she and certainly 10Ms of other women suffer from daily.

rmt

03-18-2016, 04:54 PM

"she looks white to me but is bashing white privilege."

it's white MALE privilege, which maybe she and certainly 10Ms of other women suffer from daily.

Thanks for the explanation, boutons.

Reck

03-18-2016, 11:30 PM

Lol, civility

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIjljucvBI4

Disgusting chick with the piece of gum in her mouth. :lol

boutons_deux

03-18-2016, 11:31 PM

Thanks for the explanation, boutons.

not that you understand or GAF.

rmt

03-18-2016, 11:45 PM

not that you understand or GAF.

Aw, boutons, why don't you graciously accept my gratitude? I was pleased that you just gave me a straight answer - not question that I had any ulterior motive. True, I just don't understand these people - female against males, group against group, the foul language, bad manners, etc.

Winehole23

03-19-2016, 11:03 AM

Like all candidates, he benefits from what is known as earned media: news and commentary about his campaign on television, in newspapers and magazines, and on social media. Earned media typically dwarfs paid media in a campaign. The big difference between Mr. Trump and other candidates is that he is far better than any other candidate — maybe than any candidate ever — at earning media.

No one knows this better than mediaQuant, a firm that tracks media coverage of each candidate and computes a dollar value based on advertising rates. The mentions are weighted by the reach of the media source, meaning how many people were likely to see it. The calculation also includes traditional media of all types, print, broadcast or otherwise, as well as online-only sources like Facebook, Twitter or Reddit.

Its numbers are not quite an apples-to-apples comparison to paid advertising. But they do make one thing clear: Mr. Trump is not just a little better at earning media. He is way better than any of the other candidates.

Mr. Trump earned $400 million worth of free media last month, about what John McCain spent on his entire 2008 presidential campaign. Paul Senatori, mediaQuant’s chief analytics officer, says that Mr. Trump “has no weakness in any of the media segments” — in other words, he is strong in every type of earned media, from television to Twitter.

Over the course of the campaign, he has earned close to $2 billion worth of media attention, about twice the all-in price of the most expensive presidential campaigns in history. It is also twice the estimated $746 million that Hillary Clinton, the next best at earning media, took in. Senator Bernie Sanders has earned more media than any of the Republicans except Mr. Trump.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/16/upshot/measuring-donald-trumps-mammoth-advantage-in-free-media.html

Winehole23

03-19-2016, 11:04 AM

The model shows different candidates trending at different times. In February, Senator Ted Cruz of Texas earned almost as much media coverage as Mrs. Clinton, and about as much as Mr. Trump earned last October. But Mr. Trump still dominates. In February, he earned as much media as Mr. Cruz and Mrs. Clinton combined.

The Reckoning

03-19-2016, 11:25 AM

"she looks white to me but is bashing white privilege."

it's white MALE privilege, which maybe she and certainly 10Ms of other women suffer from daily.

dude you must really hate yourself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtkST5-ZFHw

it's not your fault boutons

it's not your fault

Reck

03-19-2016, 12:27 PM

http://www.abc15.com/news/region-northeast-valley/fountain-hills/donald-trump-protesters-block-traffic-in-fountain-hills-arizona-video

rude welcome to Arizona. Lol

Mitch

03-19-2016, 12:31 PM

http://www.abc15.com/news/region-northeast-valley/fountain-hills/donald-trump-protesters-block-traffic-in-fountain-hills-arizona-video

rude welcome to Arizona. Lol

How'd that work out in Illinois? :lmao

Reck

03-19-2016, 12:35 PM

How'd that work out in Illinois? :lmao

?

What does that have to do with the primaries? He'll still win it, of course but the discourse is real. :lol

Mitch

03-19-2016, 12:36 PM

?

What does that have to do with the primaries? He'll still win it, of course but the discourse is real. :lol

Discourse of people who aren't even voting republican, tho :lol

Reck

03-19-2016, 12:39 PM

Discourse of people who aren't even voting republican, tho :lol

Still funny as hell.

Mitch

03-19-2016, 12:40 PM

Still funny as hell.

What was funny was the guy in the jeep that basically drove through the protesters :lol

Like I keep saying, ignore Trump and he'll go away. Too late now, though

rmt

03-19-2016, 12:41 PM

Threatening letter with white powder sent to Trump's son.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/threatening-letter-sent-to-donald-trump-son-eric-trump/

Anonymous distributes Trump's personal information.

http://recode.net/2016/03/18/anonymous-distributes-donald-trumps-personal-info/

Mitch

03-19-2016, 12:51 PM

Reck

03-19-2016, 12:56 PM

:lol You could google search that stuff before anonymous even sent it out though

Mitch, you should volunteer to rally for Trump tbh.

Mitch

03-19-2016, 12:58 PM

Mitch, you should volunteer to rally for Trump tbh.

You should volunteer to protest against him :lol

Reck

03-19-2016, 01:05 PM

You should volunteer to protest against him :lol

Well there is a protest/mini riot going on in New York right now. :lmao

Mitch

03-19-2016, 01:11 PM

Well there is a protest/mini riot going on in New York right now. :lmao

The polls just got ten percent higher :lmao
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ny/new_york_republican_presidential_primary-4222.html

Reck

03-19-2016, 01:14 PM

The polls just got ten percent higher :lmao
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ny/new_york_republican_presidential_primary-4222.html

Those polls numbers must be fucked. Hillary also has a 48 point lead. A state Sanders is supposed to crush her. :lmao

Reck

03-19-2016, 01:38 PM

Mitch is shook. :lol

Mitch

03-19-2016, 02:21 PM

Mitch (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=36270) is shook. :lol

Reck, you gotta stop overreacting tbh

I don't even like Trump and already know Bernie is dead in the water :lol

Reck

03-19-2016, 02:25 PM

Reck, you gotta stop overreacting tbh

I don't even like Trump and already know Bernie is dead in the water :lol

What makes you think I am? I'm just laughing at this stuff. Lol

Mitch

03-19-2016, 02:28 PM

What makes you think I am? I'm just laughing at this stuff. Lol

Saying I'm "shook" :lol

This is entertainment, my preferred candidates aren't winning so this is all I got left.

InRareForm

03-19-2016, 02:39 PM

I want to see some youtubes of the racist ariznonians and the protestors

Mitch

03-19-2016, 04:41 PM

I want to see some youtubes of the racist ariznonians and the protestors

You'll have to wait for it, they blocked up traffic for hours on purpose.

boutons_deux

03-19-2016, 05:31 PM

Republican Leaders Map a Strategy to Derail Donald Trump

Republican leaders adamantly opposed to Donald J. Trump (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/donald-trump-on-the-issues.html?inline=nyt-per)’s candidacy are preparing a 100-day campaign to deny him the presidential nomination, starting with an aggressive battle in Wisconsin’s April 5 primary and extending into the summer, with a delegate-by-delegate lobbying effort that would cast Mr. Trump as a calamitous choice for the general election.

Recognizing that Mr. Trump has seized a formidable advantage in the race, they say that an effort to block him would rely on an array of desperation measures, the political equivalent of guerrilla fighting.

There is no longer room for error or delay, the anti-Trump forces say, and without a flawlessly executed plan of attack, he could well become unstoppable.

But should that effort falter, leading conservatives are prepared to field an independent candidate in the general election, to defend Republican principles and offer traditional conservatives an alternative to Mr. Trump’s hard-edged populism. They described their plans in interviews after Mr. Trump’s victories last Tuesday in Florida and three other states.

The names of a few well-known conservatives have been offered up in recent days as potential third-party standard-bearers, and William Kristol, editor of The Weekly Standard, has circulated a memo to a small number of conservative allies detailing the process by which an independent candidate could get on general-election ballots across the country.

Among the recruits under discussion are Tom Coburn, a former Oklahoma senator who has told associates that he would be open to running, and Rick Perry, the former Texas governor who was suggested as a possible third-party candidate at a meeting of conservative activists on Thursday in Washington.

A Delegate War

Central to this plan is stopping Mr. Trump in Wisconsin, the next major showdown after contests that Mr. Trump and Mr. Cruz are expected to split this week in Arizona and Utah.

On Thursday, the Club for Growth sent a three-page memo to influential Republican donors promising to spend as much as $2 million in Wisconsin and arguing that “the only viable option to defeat Donald Trump is Ted Cruz.”

Beginning with Wisconsin, the race moves into states that apportion delegates based on who wins in each congressional district, which would allow anti-Trump forces to peel delegates away from him in states like New York and California, where he is expected to run strong. A few of the remaining winner-take-all states, like Montana and South Dakota, appear friendly to Mr. Cruz.

To justify rejecting Mr. Trump in Cleveland, Republicans say they will have to convince both delegates and the public that it was not the party’s obligation to hand him a nomination he did not secure on his own.

Abandoning the Party

For Republicans opposed to Mr. Trump under any circumstances, a third-party campaign offers a last refuge. Such a candidacy might gain support from high levels of the party: Mr. Romney has said he would be inclined to vote for a third candidate over Mr. Trump and Hillary Clinton.

Advisers to Michael R. Bloomberg, the former New York City mayor who considered an independent run, concluded that petition gathering would have to begin by early March for a candidate to appear on November ballots in all 50 states.

But an independent could still get on ballots in dozens of states — or perhaps seek the nomination of the Libertarian Party, which is already on the ballot in most states and does not pick a candidate until late May.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/03/20/us/politics/donald-trump-republican-party.html

CosmicCowboy

03-19-2016, 08:50 PM

Rick fucking Perry?

:lmao

fuckers are out of their freaking minds.

Mitch

03-19-2016, 08:56 PM

Man, this guy got ROCKED :lmao

Thought blacks hated Trump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHMwdVCEyAU

DMX7

03-19-2016, 09:38 PM

Man, this guy got ROCKED :lmao

Thought blacks hated Trump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHMwdVCEyAU

The media is probably so pissed off that the races weren't the other way around.

Reck

03-19-2016, 09:42 PM

Man, this guy got ROCKED :lmao

Thought blacks hated Trump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHMwdVCEyAU

One person speaks for the rest?

Mitch

03-19-2016, 09:45 PM

One person speaks for the rest?

I dunno, Reck - if the colors were reversed you'd probably have thought it was a good representation of Trump supporters :lol

You see this, btw? Sad that protesters are doing this, tbh
http://100percentfedup.com/disabled-vet-with-cane-forced-to-walk-to-trump-rally-pictures-of-supporters-walking-3-miles-after-protesters-shut-down-roads/ (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=170856581)

Reck

03-19-2016, 09:52 PM

I dunno, Reck - if the colors were reversed you'd probably have thought it was a good representation of Trump supporters :lol

You see this, btw? Sad that protesters are doing this, tbh
http://100percentfedup.com/disabled-vet-with-cane-forced-to-walk-to-trump-rally-pictures-of-supporters-walking-3-miles-after-protesters-shut-down-roads/ (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=170856581)

How about staying home?

His speeches are carbon copies of his last. You're not missing much.

Mitch

03-19-2016, 09:54 PM

How about staying home?

His speeches are carbon copies of his last. You're not missing much.

They wanted to see the man they voted for, they're protected by the constitution in that.

The protesters, however, disrupted the roads which is illegal.

Reck

03-19-2016, 10:00 PM

They wanted to see the man they voted for, they're protected by the constitution in that.

The protesters, however, disrupted the roads which is illegal.

Protesters were too. What's your point?

Reck

03-19-2016, 10:01 PM

Also, Mitch. This isn't anything new.

This is something that people used to do in the civil movement back in the 60s.

Mitch

03-19-2016, 10:02 PM

Protesters were too. What's your point?

Like I said in the second line, Reck, protesters blocked traffic - they used their cars to block the roads and had to have them towed away.

They broke the law, that isn't protected by the constitution since it's no longer a peaceful protest.

Mitch

03-19-2016, 10:03 PM

Also, Mitch. This isn't anything new.

This is something that people used to do in the civil movement back in the 60s.

The most effective protests during that time were the ones that didn't disrupt other people's life. We credit MLK more than MX for a reason.

boutons_deux

03-19-2016, 10:30 PM

If you don't disrupt, you won't make your point, and you will be ignored.

Mitch

03-19-2016, 10:31 PM

If you don't disrupt, you won't make your point, and you will be ignored.

If you associate your point with fucking over a person's day, how effective is your protest?

boutons_deux

03-19-2016, 10:44 PM

If you associate your point with fucking over a person's day, how effective is your protest?

very

but any protesting, even non-disruptive, is a Constitutionally guaranteed right often raped by the militarized, brutalizing police state.

Mitch

03-19-2016, 10:50 PM

very

but any protesting, even non-disruptive, is a Constitutionally guaranteed right often raped by the militarized, brutalizing police state.

If it is very effective then why did Trump win Illinois and the chicago area?
http://www.decisiondeskhq.com/results/2016/primary/gop/president/illinois/

That was by far the most disruptive protesting down against Trump in that area.

Perhaps by fucking over a person's day, your protesting is LESS effective. Also, the constitution doesn't cover non-peaceful protest and many would agree breaking laws is not peaceful.

boutons_deux

03-19-2016, 10:54 PM

Reck

03-19-2016, 10:55 PM

If it is very effective then why did Trump win Illinois and the chicago area?
http://www.decisiondeskhq.com/results/2016/primary/gop/president/illinois/

That was by far the most disruptive protesting down against Trump in that area.

Perhaps by fucking over a person's day, your protesting is LESS effective. Also, the constitution doesn't cover non-peaceful protest and many would agree breaking laws is not peaceful.

Its a minority, Mitch.

The protests aren't done so he won't win. It's to bring attention to his many indiscreptions.

The protests are working on a more broader view than just a state. Everyone is seeing how this man is Turning this country upside down.

That is all that counts.

Mitch

03-19-2016, 10:58 PM

the (municipal) laws are written to rape The Right To Assembly.

Your opinion.

Mitch

03-19-2016, 11:01 PM

Its a minority, Mitch.

The protests aren't done so he won't win. It's to bring attention to his many indiscreptions.

The protests are working on a more broader view than just a state. Everyone is seeing how this man is Turning this country upside down.

That is all that counts.

His polling went up, Reck. The protests aren't having the desired effect. I remember CNN pre-vote polling showed Cruz and Trump very close in the Chicago area before protests.

Do you really support protesters disrupting people's everyday life, Reck? Can't we both agree they should find a way to not agitate people who go to Trump rallies because they are either committed to vote for him or curious to see what he is about. If you anger the latter, isn't that fucking yourself over? People are very vindictive.

Reck

03-19-2016, 11:10 PM

His polling went up, Reck. The protests aren't having the desired effect. I remember CNN pre-vote polling showed Cruz and Trump very close in the Chicago area before protests.

Do you really support protesters disrupting people's everyday life, Reck? Can't we both agree they should find a way to not agitate people who go to Trump rallies because they are either committed to vote for him or curious to see what he is about. If you anger the latter, isn't that fucking yourself over? People are very vindictive.

No, I dont support it.

But you cant say the protests are a direct correlation to his poll numbers. They happened today for god's sake and the polling had beeing conducted for a few days now. They dont just magically spike up because of protests.

You know damn well his supporters will still vote for him no matter what.

This is why I want the primaries to be over with and to finally have him go against Hillary or Sanders. Once he's in the general election, we will see the full effect imo.

Mitch

03-19-2016, 11:14 PM

No, I dont support it.

But you cant say the protests are a direct correlation to his poll numbers. They happened today for god's sake and the polling had beeing conducted for a few days now. They dont just magically spike up because of protests.

You know damn well his supporters will still vote for him no matter what.

This is why I want the primaries to be over with and to finally have him go against Hillary or Sanders. Once he's in the general election, we will see the full effect imo.

I was talking about chicago protests affecting polls, Illinois was projected to be somewhat more competitive. Perhaps it is just inaccurate polling, but obviously the protests had no effect or a positive one for Trump.

But that's good you don't support it, I was unsure :lol

Yeah, it'll be different in primaries. If he has GOP backing it will settle down, if not things will escalate. Election can't come soon enough, tired of all the drama tbh as entertaining as Trump is when he talks shit and other politicians have to try and be professional :lol

Mitch

03-19-2016, 11:17 PM

:lol this is why I like seeing what Trump is up to, he just shits on the way politicians conduct himself with clown remarks

711046009992798208

boutons_deux

03-19-2016, 11:43 PM

Watch: Incoherent Trump Supporters Have Cartoonish Notions of What Trump Is All About

Even Trump's most earnest supporters don't seem to agree with the Republican frontrunner.

“I think Trump is honest," Ralph Lee told Chariton. "We don’t need a Barack in office no more, because he’s a liar. He can’t be direct. Hillary Clinton is a criminal. Bernie Sanders is a socialist. He believes in taking away all our freedoms. He’ll control the way we eat, the way we sleep, the way we live."

"How’s Bernie Sanders gonna control all that?" Chariton asked Lee.

"He’ll find a way," Lee insisted. "Bernie Sanders believes in socialism. Hitler was also a socialist."

"He was a facist," Chariton corrects him. Lee didn't seem to understand the difference.

Another supporter, Robert Wright, said that despite Trump dominating corporate airways with his message, the Republican candidate is actually vicimized.

"I’m for Trump ‘cause he’s being bullied by the government and they need to be together," Wright said. When asked about the frequent counterprotests Trump has encountered, he defended the candidate. "I’m not racist and I don’t think he’s racist,” though Wright admitted he would have liked Trump to denounce the KKK on CNN.

Chariton then turned to policy.

"What is [Trump] going to do for your life?" Chariton asked Ralph Lee.

Lee wondered too.

"I know he doesn’t really get into detail with a lot of his issues and that’s something I don’t agree with a lot," Lee admitted. "But he’s a businessman and he’s made himself a lot of money, so maybe he’ll help America."

Aside from support of the Second Amendment, Lee couldn't find a lot of common ground with the GOP frontrunner. In fact, he doesn’t even agree with Trump’s Muslim ban or his bigoted remarks toward Mexicans, which the #NeverTrump crowd (made up of both Democrats and Republicans) frequently cites as inexcusable.

"There are a lot of white terrorists," Lee told the reporter when asked about Trump's ideas. "Terrorism doesn’t have to do with color. I support him for the most part, but you can’t agree with everybody 100 percent. That’s why I come here, to see what he really has to say, in person.”
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/watch-incoherent-trump-supporters-cartoonish-notions-what-trump-against

Holee shit. :lol

There are 10Ms of you stupid, ignorant, confused, conned Trump fellators.

angrydude

03-19-2016, 11:47 PM

lol at Trump protesters showing that building walls really does work.

KobeOwnsDuncan

03-20-2016, 08:56 AM

lol at Trump protesters showing that building walls really does work.
:lol at Trumps campaign manager punching people

ChumpDumper

03-20-2016, 11:31 AM

Like I said in the second line, Reck, protesters blocked traffic - they used their cars to block the roads and had to have them towed away.

They broke the law, that isn't protected by the constitution since it's no longer a peaceful protest.Blocking traffic is violent now?

boutons_deux

03-20-2016, 11:45 AM

equally stupid is not knowing a politician's history and policies, then saying one will vote for a Repug based on his debate shit-throwing. :lol

DMX7

03-20-2016, 12:47 PM

Trump is questioning Romney's faith at a Utah rally reportedly. I like how his visceral reaction is to punch below the belt. :lol

Pelicans78

03-20-2016, 12:51 PM

Blocking traffic is violent now?

It's not violent, but it's not peaceful either since it's breaking the law.

Pelicans78

03-20-2016, 12:52 PM

Hitler was a fascist and a socialist. He started a National Socialist program but taking way people's assets who he deemed enemy of the state. Kinda like how Bernie deems rich people enemy of the state so he wants to tax the hell out of them.

KobeOwnsDuncan

03-20-2016, 01:20 PM

It's not violent, but it's not peaceful either since it's breaking the law.

Some states let you block traffic if you have a permit.

KobeOwnsDuncan

03-20-2016, 01:21 PM

Trump is questioning Romney's faith at a Utah rally reportedly. I like how his visceral reaction is to punch below the belt. :lol

Sure you do. Good thing it will turn off independents.

Mitch

03-20-2016, 02:10 PM

Some states let you block traffic if you have a permit.

Not federal highways, tho

Reck

03-20-2016, 02:27 PM

Not federal highways, tho

Ready for tomorrow's Trump Roast on CNN? :lmao

They're going to put all 5 candidates together. I think.

Hope he brings the Vaseline. :lol

Mitch

03-20-2016, 02:53 PM

Ready for tomorrow's Trump Roast on CNN? :lmao

They're going to put all 5 candidates together. I think.

Hope he brings the Vaseline. :lol

You mean 4, right Reck? Or did Rubio come back? :lol

On an off note, check this shit out. Hope the US never becomes Sweden where a fucking wheelchair bound crippled bastard has to save you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42jpuXJPk0w

Trill Clinton

03-20-2016, 02:57 PM

dumb coon got arrested right on the spot http://i67.tinypic.com/2znpafs.png

i guess he thought he would get away with sucker punching people like the "other" supportershttp://i67.tinypic.com/2znpafs.png

i wonder if donald will pay his legal fees toohttp://i67.tinypic.com/2znpafs.png

711323486950596608

TheSanityAnnex

03-20-2016, 03:49 PM

You mean 4, right Reck? Or did Rubio come back? :lol

On an off note, check this shit out. Hope the US never becomes Sweden where a fucking wheelchair bound crippled bastard has to save you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42jpuXJPk0w
I've been told the no-go zones were a lie. Is 60 mins lying?

Mitch

03-20-2016, 04:11 PM

I've been told the no-go zones were a lie. Is 60 mins lying?

Sweden isn't gonna admit it :lol

It would show intolerance.

boutons_deux

03-20-2016, 04:34 PM

no-go zones? what are they?

Mitch

03-20-2016, 04:38 PM

no-go zones? what are they?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=no-go+zones

TheSanityAnnex

03-20-2016, 04:41 PM

HI-FI

03-20-2016, 04:50 PM

Going to be funny watching the media spin a black trump supporter punching a white Bernie protester
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/protester-punched-kicked-donald-trump-rally-arizona-n541991

maybe they can CGI his skin and hair, alter it like the Zimmerman tapes.

Mitch

03-20-2016, 04:50 PM

Going to be funny watching the media spin a black trump supporter punching a white Bernie protester
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/protester-punched-kicked-donald-trump-rally-arizona-n541991

People say the guy spat in his face and the black guy didn't take it too well

boutons_deux

03-20-2016, 04:55 PM

Going to be funny watching the media spin a black trump supporter punching a white Bernie protester
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/protester-punched-kicked-donald-trump-rally-arizona-n541991

why does the color of a Trump supporter matter to anyone, except you racists? Some blacks, not any smarter than white Repugs, even vote for Repug racists.

TheSanityAnnex

03-20-2016, 05:36 PM

why does the color of a Trump supporter matter to anyone, except you racists? Some blacks, not any smarter than white Repugs, even vote for Repug racists.
NBC Chicago from a week ago during the NC rally
"A white Donald Trump rally attendee was charged with assault Thursday after he was caught on video hitting a black man being escorted by deputies from the venue, authorities said."

NBC Chicago from today in Tucson
"Things took a violent turn when a protester, wearing an American flag shirt and holding a sign with Trump’s face, was punched and kicked while being escorted out."

johnsmith

03-20-2016, 05:47 PM

I know many very intelligent people that are fully supporting Trump in this election. I'm completely flabbergasted by this. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills regarding this election or at some point everyone's gonna say "just kidding".

Doesn't make any sense to me.

johnsmith

03-20-2016, 05:48 PM

I also think that If Trump gets the nomination, it's an "auto win" for the Dem's.

Dirk Oneanddoneski

03-20-2016, 05:58 PM

Chokeahontas from the road block

https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/press-releases/open-society-foundations-announce-2015-soros-justice-fellows
To carry out their work, fellows receive a stipend of $58,700 to $110,250

http://i.imgur.com/0FMjtVN.jpg

ducks

03-20-2016, 06:07 PM

boutons_deux

03-20-2016, 07:24 PM

Bombshell Poll Shows Democrats Would Win Utah If Trump Is The GOP Nominee

A Deseret News/KSL poll shows that if Donald Trump wins the Republican nomination, Democrats would be favored to win the deep red state of Utah in November.

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/03/20/bombshell-poll-shows-democrats-win-utah-trump-gop-nominee.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

johnsmith

03-20-2016, 07:25 PM

you also like nuggets enough said

Yes, NBA fandom totally correlates to political views.

You're obviously a Trump supporter....lol

Mitch

03-20-2016, 07:25 PM

Watya think about this, Reck :lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOp9k5WGoIU

InRareForm

03-20-2016, 07:35 PM

http://www.wsj.com/articles/gop-chairman-reince-priebus-sees-long-fight-over-donald-trump-1458517799?mod=e2fb

baseline bum

03-20-2016, 08:18 PM

http://www.wsj.com/articles/gop-chairman-reince-priebus-sees-long-fight-over-donald-trump-1458517799?mod=e2fb

Paywall

Splits

03-20-2016, 09:01 PM

Watya think about this, Reck (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14412) :lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOp9k5WGoIU

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/09/17/trumpbushshake.gif

spankadelphia

03-21-2016, 02:50 AM

There is no universe where Utah goes blue.

They would not be pulling out the big guns against The Don in the media right now if he was truly unelectable.

angrydude

03-21-2016, 03:27 AM

spankadelphia

03-21-2016, 03:34 AM

http://i.imgur.com/r4SqRUs.jpg

djohn2oo8

03-21-2016, 07:44 AM

There is no universe where Utah goes blue.

They would not be pulling out the big guns against The Don in the media right now if he was truly unelectable.

Trump is going to get SMOKED in utah in the republican caucus. It doesnt help that he insults mormons :lol

djohn2oo8

03-21-2016, 07:45 AM

Utah is experiencing a temper tantrum right now because Trump doesn't appeal to mainstream conservatives like Ted does, and the primary is next week, but come the election, there is no way they vote for Hillary.

It shouldn't even be competitive for a Democrat in Utah. Polls say otherwise and that is embarrassing for Trump.

DMX7

03-21-2016, 09:48 AM

Once Hillary is the nominee, republicans will flock back to WHOEVER GOP nominee is unless Trump goes independent. Let's not kid ourselves here.

ChumpDumper

03-21-2016, 09:58 AM

Once Hillary is the nominee, republicans will flock back to WHOEVER GOP nominee is unless Trump goes independent. Let's not kid ourselves here.Well, some Republicans have an enormous capacity for butthurt, so they might just stay home on election day.

Same with Bernie supporters tbh.

DMX7

03-21-2016, 10:01 AM

Well, some Republicans have an enormous capacity for butthurt, so they might just stay home on election day.

Sure, some will but they won't be voting for Hillary in mass numbers and not enough will stay home to make a material difference. Utah will stay Red. Book it.

Reck

03-21-2016, 10:47 AM

Watya think about this, Reck (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14412) :lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOp9k5WGoIU

:lmao

Tell the truth...you sang along didn't you? :lol

Mitch

03-21-2016, 11:02 AM

That's some corny shit I would expect from Kasich's camp :lol

Fox news could play this on repeat, I guarantee Trump will lose voters :lmao

:lmao

Tell the truth...you sang along didn't you? :lol

Reck

03-21-2016, 11:09 AM

That's some corny shit I would expect from Kasich's camp :lol

Fox news could play this on repeat, I guarantee Trump will lose voters :lmao

Down 20 points in Utah to creepy Cruz. :lol

He's probably going to lose 2 of the 3 states imo.

spurraider21

03-21-2016, 11:14 AM

why does the color of a Trump supporter matter to anyone, except you racists? Some blacks, not any smarter than white Repugs, even vote for Repug racists.
:lmao you're always quick to call out white trump supporters

Reck

03-21-2016, 11:20 AM

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=38970451&nid=960&title=poll-utah-would-vote-for-a-democrat-for-president-over-trump

Mitch (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=36270) hater (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=7609) and the Trump fluters, read that. :lol

baseline bum

03-21-2016, 11:33 AM

Down 20 points in Utah to creepy Cruz. :lol

He's probably going to lose 2 of the 3 states imo.

I thought it's just Utah and Arizona.

Splits

03-21-2016, 11:35 AM

I thought it's just Utah and Arizona.

Apparently there is some shithole named Idaho that is also a state (with 2 senators :lol).

Spurminator

03-21-2016, 11:51 AM

Ted Cruz is basically Mormon. Except that he probably thinks Mormons are going to hell.

djohn2oo8

03-21-2016, 11:53 AM

Sure, some will but they won't be voting for Hillary in mass numbers and not enough will stay home to make a material difference. Utah will stay Red. Book it.

You're kidding yourself if you think Republicans wont stay home, no matter who their nominee is. They hate Trump, and really hate Cruz. Kasich literally has zero support.

Reck

03-21-2016, 12:05 PM

DMX7 should also read the article I posted.

baseline bum

03-21-2016, 12:16 PM

Apparently there is some shithole named Idaho that is also a state (with 2 senators :lol).

Idaho is fucking beautiful, you should check it out sometime.

Reck

03-21-2016, 12:22 PM

I thought it's just Utah and Arizona.

You're right. It's only the democrats that have 3. Idaho

Trumpie will split it.

tlongII

03-21-2016, 12:30 PM

You're kidding yourself if you think Republicans wont stay home, no matter who their nominee is. They hate Trump, and really hate Cruz. Kasich literally has zero support.

I assume you're dis-regarding the record turnout in the Republican primaries?

Mitch

03-21-2016, 12:34 PM

Id be surprised if Utah went blue even if an atheist was republican, tbh

Some states you just don't count as swingers, like California

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=38970451&nid=960&title=poll-utah-would-vote-for-a-democrat-for-president-over-trump

Mitch (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=36270) hater (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=7609) and the Trump fluters, read that. :lol

Reck

03-21-2016, 12:45 PM

Id be surprised if Utah went blue even if an atheist was republican, tbh

Some states you just don't count as swingers, like California

So you are saying that you know more than them? :lol

DMX7

03-21-2016, 12:52 PM

You're kidding yourself if you think Republicans wont stay home, no matter who their nominee is. They hate Trump, and really hate Cruz. Kasich literally has zero support.

Their hate for Hillary will drive them to the polls. They hate Hillary as much as Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini combined. Don't underestimate that.

Reck

03-21-2016, 12:56 PM

Their hate for Hillary will drive them to the polls. They hate Hillary as much as Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini combined. Don't underestimate that.

:lmao

Where did you get this? Links, sources..

Mitch

03-21-2016, 12:57 PM

I mean, it'd be great if they became a swing state in the future but they like voting red because Republicans cater to them. Mormon capital of the world y'know and they aren't happy with Trump. But it wouldn't really make sense to suddenly become blue if the other candidate is Hilary.

We'll see, tho. Don't trust pre-ge news tbh. If Cruz doesn't get 60%+ that'll be a surprise

So you are saying that you know more than them? :lol

Reck

03-21-2016, 01:04 PM

baseline bum

03-21-2016, 01:15 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU8dCYocuyI

Mitch

03-21-2016, 01:17 PM

Entrenched Republican voters hate Hillary, I think your polling included 500 "unaffiliate" voters - people who dont identify with a party pprobably.

I don't know the opinion of Utah republicans for sure tho, their demographic is unique with the mormons and ultra bible thumpers. Trump is at best agnostic and evangelicals so far support him because he's angry (evangelicals are angry with the sjw culture) or oppose him because they're smart enough to spot a phony Christian.

Your thoughts on what DMX7 said just now?.. :lmao

DMX7

03-21-2016, 02:09 PM

:lmao

Where did you get this? Links, sources..

Clearly it's an opinion. But if you've been paying attention to the fake outrage and ankle-biting the GOP does to Hillary over totally made-up "scandals" like Benghazi and her e-mail server, then you know the GOP and right-wing media won't go easy on her during the GE and all their sheep will take the bait and follow the heard.

You really think the people who you would expect to vote are just going to say "Nah, I'm not going to vote... I'm 'A-OK' with Hillary."

DMX7

03-21-2016, 02:16 PM

Reck

03-21-2016, 02:19 PM

It's always fun to look at the early polls and see the number of people who say they would not consider Trump under any circumstances shrink which is technically impossible unless what they said to begin with was just butthurt talk (which of course it was).

You can say the same about the butthurt Bernie Sanders supporters.

If this goes down between her and Trump, they will vote against him.

It's all talk.

DMX7

03-21-2016, 02:28 PM

You can say the same about the butthurt Bernie Sanders supporters.

If this goes down between her and Trump, they will vote against him.

It's all talk.

Bernie is a high character guy. I think he is going to do the right thing and throw his support totally behind Hillary and most of his supporters will go along the way most of Hillary's supporters went along with Obama in 2008. And this is not taking into account the possibility that he could still potentially be her running mate.

But I just don't see any material number of GOP people crossing over to vote Hillary. The GOP is first and foremost an ideological party, and I think that makes it very difficult for people to vote Democratic for practical reasons.

boutons_deux

03-21-2016, 02:46 PM

GOP is first and foremost the party of ideologue extremists, racists, xenophobes, haters, Christian Taliban supremacists.

If Bernie isn't the candidate, Bernie supporters who then vote Hillary will be voting against the Repug inevitable ASSHOLE, not for Hillary.

DMX7

03-21-2016, 02:55 PM

Splits

03-21-2016, 04:13 PM

Damn.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-uTuQS7EEh8A/VvAb3eoJMvI/AAAAAAAAf3Y/fNNlVcgJTtsUXV9ieX7JMHD3Rrrhn6RpQ/s640/Screenshot%2B2016-03-21%2Bat%2B9.02.34%2BAM.png

DMX7

03-21-2016, 04:25 PM

Cruz and Trump are perfect for each other.

Reck

03-21-2016, 04:29 PM

Damn.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-uTuQS7EEh8A/VvAb3eoJMvI/AAAAAAAAf3Y/fNNlVcgJTtsUXV9ieX7JMHD3Rrrhn6RpQ/s640/Screenshot%2B2016-03-21%2Bat%2B9.02.34%2BAM.png

So basically Hillary is the most truthful overall of all of them. Interesting.

Reck

03-21-2016, 04:58 PM

FkLA see the above chart.

People make up a lot of shit about Hillary. No one is that bad.

Splits

03-21-2016, 05:05 PM

Facts have a well known liberal bias.

InB4 :cry politifact is a left-wing conspiracy :cry

Reck

03-21-2016, 05:15 PM

Facts have a well known liberal bias.

InB4 :cry politifact is a left-wing conspiracy :cry

:lmao

I posted this chart on another board and that's pretty much the response I got from the right wing nutcases. Instantly dismissed because shit, it was heavily biased. :lmao

Reck

03-21-2016, 05:36 PM

Trump having a tough time at AIPAC. Mitch :lol

TheSanityAnnex

03-21-2016, 05:50 PM

Trump having a tough time at AIPAC. Mitch (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=36270) :lol

Is that why he keeps getting standing ovations?

Reck

03-21-2016, 05:56 PM

Is that why he keeps getting standing ovations?

He is?

I ain't seeing no standing ovations. Well maybe some from the view that CNN is giving.

Hillary in contrast ate up that room earlier this morning. She got a full house standing up for her. No boos, unlike Trump. :lol

Mitch

03-21-2016, 05:56 PM

They had it playing at the gym, I tuned in a little, don't see anything worth mentioning, tbh

Trump having a tough time at AIPAC. Mitch (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=36270) :lol

DarrinS

03-21-2016, 06:47 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU8dCYocuyI

:lmao

Mitch

03-21-2016, 07:13 PM

Yeah, Reck (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14412), watched his speech and it seemed fine. Trump said some pretty triggering things and didn't get heckled. I thought he would get booed for saying an agreement must be made with Palestinians, but the crowed seemed cool with it.

I'm actually reading Hillary got booed a few times, going to have to listen to her speech later.

You need to be a little less anti-trump, bro. Hating on Trump is too easy, tbh, trying to sort out the facts since he gets shit on all around the media :lol

TheSanityAnnex

03-21-2016, 07:29 PM

He is?

I ain't seeing no standing ovations. Well maybe some from the view that CNN is giving.

Hillary in contrast ate up that room earlier this morning. She got a full house standing up for her. No boos, unlike Trump. :lol

I don't believe you watched either. Trump had multiple standing ovations and Hillary got booed.

FkLA

03-21-2016, 07:29 PM

FkLA see the above chart.

People make up a lot of shit about Hillary. No one is that bad.

Meh she's still a snake. Knows how to slither her way through tough questions.

Mitch

03-21-2016, 07:42 PM

Meh she's still a snake. Knows how to slither her way through tough questions.

If the chart counted avoided questions as lies she'd be down there with Trump and Cruz :lmao

Reck

03-21-2016, 07:48 PM

I don't believe you watched either. Trump had multiple standing ovations and Hillary got booed.

I saw it, no she didn't.

I doubt you will watch the whole speech from her but here it is..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaehnihZXEE

Her speech starts at 1:57.

Her first of many standing ovations start at 2:08

Reck

03-21-2016, 07:50 PM

Mitch, I posted it for your convinience.

Mitch

03-21-2016, 07:53 PM

Mitch (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=36270), I posted it for your convinience.

I'll check her speech when I got a hour to kill, Reck. Why would you doubt I would watch it :lol

I hate Hillary, but I want to form my own opinions on her. So far it's just hate, but it's still open tbh

TheSanityAnnex

03-21-2016, 07:54 PM

I saw it, no she didn't.

I doubt you will watch the whole speech from her but here it is..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaehnihZXEE

Her speech starts at 1:57.

Her first of many standing ovations start at 2:08

Post Trumps as well. And then tell me how you didn't see any standing ovations.

Reck

03-21-2016, 07:58 PM

Post Trumps as well. And then tell me how you didn't see any standing ovations.

I would if I could. I saw Hillary's speech through that link. And I saw Trump's from CNN and they didn't use camera wide shots or people's reactions like that youtube clip does.

If he did, then that's great. But I also heard a lot of boos and laughter from Trump's presentation.

http://time.com/4267086/donald-trump-aipac-speech-israel/

Mitch

03-21-2016, 08:36 PM

I would if I could. I saw Hillary's speech through that link. And I saw Trump's from CNN and they didn't use camera wide shots or people's reactions like that youtube clip does.

If he did, then that's great. But I also heard a lot of boos and laughter from Trump's presentation.

http://time.com/4267086/donald-trump-aipac-speech-israel/

Why does Hilary keep saying Trump is neutral towards Israel, Reck? Kinda dumb, tbh. Cruz does the same, I thought she would be a little more logical in attacking Trump.

I personally don't have a strong opinion towards Israel, but Trump seems to have backed them from day 1 tbh - he just knows you ain't gonna make a deal if you're sucking jew dick while being a moderator :lol

Reck

03-21-2016, 08:48 PM

Why does Hilary keep saying Trump is neutral towards Israel, Reck? Kinda dumb, tbh. Cruz does the same, I thought she would be a little more logical in attacking Trump.

I personally don't have a strong opinion towards Israel, but Trump seems to have backed them from day 1 tbh - he just knows you ain't gonna make a deal if you're sucking jew dick while being a moderator :lol

Maybe because he said it himself in one of the debates?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2G5qfeQnPI

If you dont want to watch the whopping 2 minute clip, skip to 1:45.

rmt

03-21-2016, 08:49 PM

Why does Hilary keep saying Trump is neutral towards Israel, Reck? Kinda dumb, tbh. Cruz does the same, I thought she would be a little more logical in attacking Trump.

I personally don't have a strong opinion towards Israel, but Trump seems to have backed them from day 1 tbh - he just knows you ain't gonna make a deal if you're sucking jew dick while being a moderator :lol

In one of the debates, he said that the most difficult deal there was - is trying to bring peace between Israel and Palestine and that he would have to be neutral to try to broker a deal. But today he backed Israel at the Aipac meeting.

Mitch

03-21-2016, 08:53 PM

Maybe because he said it himself in one of the debates?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2G5qfeQnPI

If you dont want to watch the whopping 2 minute clip, skip to 1:45.

Reck... he keeps saying he will be neutral in brokering a deal only. He has always made that fairly clear :lol

Please tell me you can recognize the difference between being neutral and being proper moderator while still having positive relations with one party?

Mitch

03-21-2016, 08:55 PM

In one of the debates, he said that the most difficult deal there was - is trying to bring peace between Israel and Palestine and that he would have to be neutral to try to broker a deal. But today he backed Israel at the Aipac meeting.

Yeah, he's said if he was going to attempt a deal he would play a neutral party. That doesn't mean he will be neutral towards Israel, only neutral for the sake of not agitating whatever goatfucker Palestine brings in to negotiate.

Mitch

03-21-2016, 09:02 PM

Bernie just restated what I've been saying, Reck

You need to be a neutral party between Israel and the Palestinians if you attempt to brocker a deal for peace, per his time on CNN just now

Reck

03-21-2016, 09:03 PM

Yeah, he's said if he was going to attempt a deal he would play a neutral party. That doesn't mean he will be neutral towards Israel, only neutral for the sake of not agitating whatever goatfucker Palestine brings in to negotiate.

You're starting to sound like a trumpie. He said he'd be neutral. You're trying to spin what he himself had said.

Is in the video and everyone else got that sense so I'm not making that up. So, for her or to Cruz to say it it's valid.

Reck

03-21-2016, 09:05 PM

Bernie just restated what I've been saying, Reck (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14412)

You need to be a neutral party between Israel and the Palestinians if you attempt to brocker a deal for peace, per his time on CNN just now

Same guy who said Castro was doing a bang up job back in the day? Legit

Mitch

03-21-2016, 09:06 PM

You're starting to sound like a trumpie. He said he'd be neutral. You're trying to spin what he himself had said.

Is in the video and everyone else got that sense so I'm not making that up. So, for her or to Cruz to say it it's valid.

Jesus Christ, Reck...

So you're saying Trump and Bernie Sanders wants to diminish relations with Israel to neutral instead of ally? Seriously, bro, ive laughed off most of your overreacting but let's have some sense here.

boutons_deux

03-22-2016, 03:35 PM

The Washington Post Asked Donald Trump If He Would Nuke ISIS. This Was His Response.

Noted without comment, Donald Trump's comments on ISIS to the Washington Post yesterday.

RYAN: You [MUFFLED] mentioned a few minutes earlier here that you would knock ISIS. You’ve mentioned it many times. You’ve also mentioned the risk of putting American troop in a danger area. If you could substantially reduce the risk of harm to ground troops, would you use a battlefield nuclear weapon to take out ISIS?

TRUMP: I don’t want to use, I don’t want to start the process of nuclear. Remember the one thing that everybody has said, I’m a counterpuncher. Rubio hit me. Bush hit me. When I said low energy, he’s a low-energy individual, he hit me first. I spent, by the way he spent 18 million dollars’ worth of negative ads on me. That’s putting [MUFFLED]…

RYAN: This is about ISIS. You would not use a tactical nuclear weapon against ISIS?

[CROSSTALK]

TRUMP: I’ll tell you one thing, this is a very good looking group of people here. Could I just go around so I know who the hell I’m talking to?

http://www.motherjones.com/contributor/2016/03/why-do-they-call-it-ovaltine-it-isn%27t-even-oval-sad

:lol

InRareForm

03-22-2016, 03:43 PM

Trump never answers question. He is an expert at this

Splits

03-22-2016, 03:45 PM

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DMX7

03-22-2016, 03:58 PM

Karren, don't flatter yourself. That's not polite.

MultiTroll

03-22-2016, 04:17 PM

TRUMP: I don’t want to use, I don’t want to start the process of nuclear.

DMX7

03-22-2016, 04:18 PM

TRUMP: I don’t want to use, I don’t want to start the process of nuclear.

He's measured, calm, and calculating. This is what we want in a president.

spurraider21

03-22-2016, 04:34 PM

He's measured, calm, and calculating. This is what we want in a president.
lol

DMX7

03-22-2016, 04:36 PM

lol

No, he said he didn't want to start that process. :lol

boutons_deux

03-22-2016, 04:37 PM

:lol

"process of nuclear" is that a nuclear bomb drop or ... ?

DMX7

03-22-2016, 04:38 PM

:lol

"process of nuclear" is that a nuclear bomb drop or ... ?

It's what you think it is.

boutons_deux

03-22-2016, 04:55 PM

It's what you think it is.

He's non-answering with a non-idiomatic euphemism, rather than having the balls to say nuclear bomb.

process? :lol

Splits

03-22-2016, 06:17 PM

Post Trumps as well. And then tell me how you didn't see any standing ovations.

And then they walked it allllll back...

AIPAC’s apology for Trump speech is unprecedented
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/03/22/aipacs-apology-for-trump-speech-is-unprecedented/?tid=sm_tw)
This morning, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu experienced something that American politicians have become all to familiar with: Being overshadowed by Donald Trump.

The prime minister's video-linked speech to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee's conference was preceded by the unscheduled introduction of AIPAC President Lillian Pinkus and four other leaders. Choking back tears, Pinkus apologized for Monday night's speeches, implying that Donald Trump had violated a nonpartisan standard.

"From the moment this conference began, until this moment, we have preached a message of unity," said Pinkus. "We have said, in every way we can think of: come together. But last evening, something occurred which has the potential to drive us apart, to divide us. We say, unequivocally, that we do not countenance ad hominem attacks, and we take great offense to those that are levied against the president of the United States of America, from our stage."

Trump's speech, which he largely recited from a teleprompter, was actually notable for its low level of invective. A candidate who has mocked Sen. Marco Rubio's (R-Fla.) thirstiness, Sen. Rand Paul's (R-Ky.) looks, Jeb Bush's energy level and Carly Fiorina's face, confined his criticism to Obama to a few tossed-off insults.

"With President Obama in his final year -- yay!" said Trump, adding an exclamation not in the text, and earning huge applause. Later, diverting from his text again, he called the president "maybe the worst thing to happen to Israel."

[No boos, but plenty of awkward foreign policy debate at AIPAC]

For AIPAC, already criticized for giving Trump an invitation, the rhetoric needed condemnation.

"While we may have policy differences, we deeply respect the office of president of the United States, and our president, Barack Obama," said Pinkus. "There were people in our AIPAC family who were deeply hurt last night, and for that, we are deeply sorry. We are disappointed that so many people applauded the sentiment that we neither agree with, or condone. Let us close this conference in recognition that when we say 'come together,' we still have a lot to learn from each other, and we still have much work to do."

But no AIPAC speech had been criticized like Trump's. Jane Eisner, the editor-in-chief of the Jewish news source The Forward, wrote that she was "ashamed that any of my fellow Jews could applaud" Trump.

"I am ashamed that they would succumb to the pandering lies," she wrote. "Donald Trump ought to have been received civilly but silently by AIPAC. Instead, the applause spoke volumes."

Chemi Shalev, a correspondent for Israel's Ha'aretz, left the Trump speech in shock and asked how fellow Jews could have applauded it.

"The enthusiastic reception given Trump could very well deepen the fault lines inside the Jewish community that were uncovered over the summer in the bitter clash over the Iran nuclear deal," he wrote. "It was good enough to transform Trump from a morally repugnant presidential candidate into a run of the mill contender who deserves as much respect as the others."

It was the reaction -- wild applause now available to view on Trump's campaign website -- that was officially rejected by AIPAC.

Mitch

03-22-2016, 06:23 PM

They're just sorry the crowd applauded and cheered :lol

Why are journalists telling the jewish community who and how to ssupport, tbh? Trump excites the average joe, not in the know people.

Splits

03-22-2016, 06:38 PM

They're just sorry the crowd applauded and cheered :lol

Why are journalists telling the jewish community who and how to ssupport, tbh? Trump excites the average joe, not in the know people.

Journalists? That was the AIPAC president

Reck

03-22-2016, 06:57 PM

Still, he had by far the fewest cheers and applauses though. If you watched any other, you would see the difference.

I saw Hillary's, Trump's and Kasich. The former and latter had explosives reactions.

Didn't watched Cruz's but read he had a good crowd as well.

Mitch

03-22-2016, 07:07 PM

Journalists? That was the AIPAC president

What did he specifically apologize for, Splits? You read it, right? :lol

He apologized for the crowd because the AIPAC tried to distance themselves from Trump - mostly because of the anti-muslim rhetoric.

The "editor in chief" and correspondent had the only real criticism for Trump.

Your bottom bolded part even pointed that out, tbh

TheSanityAnnex

03-22-2016, 07:14 PM

And then they walked it allllll back...

"they" obviously don't represent the cheering crowd. Stupid bitch was in tears :lol

TheSanityAnnex

03-22-2016, 07:16 PM

What did he specifically apologize for, Splits? You read it, right? :lol

He apologized for the crowd because the AIPAC tried to distance themselves from Trump - mostly because of the anti-muslim rhetoric.

The "editor in chief" and correspondent had the only real criticism for Trump.

Your bottom bolded part even pointed that out, tbh
Yeah this article isn't working out for Splits as he'd hoped. It shows the Jews aren't being duped by the left's attacks on Trump.

Splits

03-22-2016, 08:03 PM

What did he specifically apologize for, Splits? You read it, right? :lol

He apologized for the crowd because the AIPAC tried to distance themselves from Trump - mostly because of the anti-muslim rhetoric.

The "editor in chief" and correspondent had the only real criticism for Trump.

Your bottom bolded part even pointed that out, tbh

She (not he, nice reading comprehension) specifically said "we take great offense to those that are levied against the president of the United States of America, from our stage." Yet you somehow read that as his "anti-muslim rhetoric"? So you think Obama is a Muslim?

You read it, right? :lol

Splits

03-22-2016, 08:06 PM

"they" obviously don't represent the cheering crowd. Stupid bitch was in tears :lol

Typically the president of an organization speaks for said organization. She rebuked the cheering crowd for cheering. And cried about it.

Yeah this article isn't working out for Splits as he'd hoped. It shows the Jews aren't being duped by the left's attacks on Trump.

It showed nothing of the sort. So you predict Trump will carry Jews in the GA? Good luck with that.

rmt

03-22-2016, 08:10 PM

What's not to like about Trump and Israel? He continually criticizes the Iran deal saying it's the worst deal ever made, his daughter, son-in-law and grandkids are Jewish and his "neutral" comments are often taken out of context.

Mitch

03-22-2016, 08:13 PM

She (not he, nice reading comprehension) specifically said "we take great offense to those that are levied against the president of the United States of America, from our stage." Yet you somehow read that as his "anti-muslim rhetoric"? So you think Obama is a Muslim?

You read it, right? :lol

Don't give a fuck about gender, tbh. It's irrelevant

Israel has openly stated they reject anti-muslim rhetoric, Splits... you do know this right? The news was regurgitating it for a whole week.

Going back to the point at hand, which you seem to have avoided, your initial quote (which you bolded) says this at the bottom
"
It was the reaction -- wild applause now available to view on Trump's campaign website -- that was officially rejected by AIPAC."

The crowd's reaction was criticized, which goes back to my initial reply: why are the high ups criticizing public opinion within the jewish community? I'm sure they only let in respectable jews in that thing :lol

DMX7

03-22-2016, 08:50 PM

Someone should ask Trump if he thinks we should bring back the Human Betterment Foundation.

Mitch

03-22-2016, 08:57 PM

Someone should ask Trump if he thinks we should bring back the Human Betterment Foundation.

Might vote for him if he did, tbh :lol

Splits

03-22-2016, 10:05 PM

Don't give a fuck about gender, tbh. It's irrelevant

Israel has openly stated they reject anti-muslim rhetoric, Splits... you do know this right? The news was regurgitating it for a whole week.

Going back to the point at hand, which you seem to have avoided, your initial quote (which you bolded) says this at the bottom
"
It was the reaction -- wild applause now available to view on Trump's campaign website -- that was officially rejected by AIPAC."

The crowd's reaction was criticized, which goes back to my initial reply: why are the high ups criticizing public opinion within the jewish community? I'm sure they only let in respectable jews in that thing :lol

All members of AIPAC are Zionists, which means there are no "respectable Jews" in that organization. Anti-Muslim bigotry is ingrained in their souls, it is why they exist. Their President explicitly criticized their own membership for cheering Trump's criticism of the POTUS. Obama won 78% & 69% of the Jewish vote in his two elections. Not sure why this is so difficult to understand.

Regardless of what she was criticizing, it is purely a PR move for her racist apartheid-supporting organization.

Mitch

03-22-2016, 10:20 PM

All members of AIPAC are Zionists, which means there are no "respectable Jews" in that organization. Anti-Muslim bigotry is ingrained in their souls, it is why they exist. Their President explicitly criticized their own membership for cheering Trump's criticism of the POTUS. Obama won 78% & 69% of the Jewish vote in his two elections. Not sure why this is so difficult to understand.

Regardless of what she was criticizing, it is purely a PR move for her racist apartheid-supporting organization.

Not going to read what you say if your bias is like that, bro. Keep it in the club

Splits

03-22-2016, 10:21 PM

Not going to read what you say if your bias is like that, bro. Keep it in the club

If you can provide proof to me that a single AIPAC member is not a Zionist, I would love to see it. It's not "bias", it is "fact".

DMX7

03-22-2016, 10:32 PM

I don't know which I enjoy watching more: Trump winning or Cruz losing.

ducks

03-22-2016, 10:32 PM

Trump adding to his 2 million more votes then Cruz in az

rmt

03-22-2016, 10:34 PM

I don't know which I enjoy watching more: Trump winning or Cruz losing.

Definitely Trump winning - he's got a good shot at the 1237. Now if Trump and Kasich can stop Cruz from getting 50% +1 in Utah, it'll be an awesome night for Trump.

boutons_deux

03-23-2016, 05:06 AM

How Trump Dog-Whistles the Business Establishment

He cleverly woos the GOP base on issues like trade, but this working-class hero is actually a willing agent of the 1 percenters.

Don’t worry, I’m on your side, he’s telling corporate execs in coded language. Trump the dealmaker has signaled that he’ll deliver mammoth tax “forgiveness”—worth hundreds of billions—to the largest multinational corporations.

Trump delivered this message during his victory speech in Florida on Tuesday, but it was couched in evasive and deceitful terms that only insiders were likely to understand. Business and financial leaders will certainly get it, because they’re lobbying intensely for the same deal:

massive tax reductions for gold-plated names like Apple, Microsoft, Oracle, Citigroup, JPMorgan Chase, Goldman Sachs, and scores of other globalized American corporations.

The companies have $2.1 trillion in overseas profits parked offshore and untaxed, and they won’t bring the money home until Congress agrees to give them another “tax holiday” and permanently reduces the corporate tax rate.

Except Trump makes it sound like the multinationals are the victims—held hostage by dirty politicians. In fact, it’s the opposite. The tech companies, mega-banks, and drug makers are carrying out the corporate version of highway robbery: If Congress doesn’t give in to their demands, they threaten to pull the trigger by moving to Ireland or other low-tax hangouts.

“I’m disgusted with it; I’m tired of seeing it,” Trump told his adoring fans. “People can’t get their money back into the country because the politicians can’t get along, they can’t make a deal…. Companies are leaving our country in order to go and get money—that’s their money—because there’s no way of bringing it in.”

Trump says he would change all that instantly as president. The dealmaker would introduce a cooperative spirit of compromise. “If I sat down with a few of the senators, or a few of the congressmen, you could make a deal on that in 10 minutes,” he said.

I caught his drift was that Trump was talking about the very subject of my recent Nation blog, “Democrats and Republicans Are Quietly Planning a Corporate Giveaway—to the Tune of $400 Billion.” Senator Elizabeth Warren has already denounced this bipartisan political scheme as “a giant wet kiss for the tax dodgers.” Indeed, it is another stunning example of why Washington deal-making enrages citizens.

Most voters don’t have a clue. They certainly do not realize that this working-class hero named Trump is actually a willing agent of the 1 percenters.

he’s attempting now to assure elites that he can also play “presidential” in a convincing manner.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/how-trump-dog-whistles-business-establishment