Official 2016 Spurs Offseason Thread

[Nathan89]

Whatever we do better not take us out the race for the great Christopher Paul next year.

[marinoman]

Multiple sources on ESPN as we speak, answer from kd prolly in morning

[Kikoluna]

Who the f is willie reed?

[siraulo23]

Gasol would be alright, nothing special, tbh..

Better than standing part, I suppose..

yea, its durant then gasol, if not id rather the spurs just bring bertans etc... and try again next year

i dont want the spurs to waste any capspace signing any of the remaining FA

[ducks]

Whatever we do better not take us out the race for the great Christopher Paul next year.
Cp3 and Westbrook are going to have worse contracts then tp
When they age

[Hoops Czar]

Marc Stein and Buck Harvey have consistently reported that the Spurs lost their chance the moment the Spurs lost to OKC in the playoffs.

And you'll believe everything you hear. the Spurs never had a shot at Durant, NEVER! He called the Spurs best player a "system player". After game 2 of the WCF's in 2012, he said the Spurs aren't nothing then, the backdoor sweep happened. They have a pretty good player that plays his position. Kawhi doesn't really want him here since he not only decided not to show up to the meeting in the Hampton's but, couldn't even be bothered to make a phone call to KD like CP3 did. If you don't have the blessing of the team's best player, chances are you aren't welcome. The only reason he took a meeting in the first place was out of respect to the organization.

:lol thinking Mr. second round exit, Pop and R.C Buford could close a deal.

[NASpurs]

Btw that tweet was a prediction so who really gives a shit. There's nothing concrete about that tweet. I think most of us here probably thought the same before Stein's tweet.

[Hoops Czar]

yea, its durant then gasol, if not id rather the spurs just bring bertans etc... and try again next year

i dont want the spurs to waste any capspace signing any of the remaining FA

Yeah, just wait to max out that 1 mid tier player next season.

[Kikoluna]

And I'm a little worried about manu's passive aggressiveness. His agent saying they want market value. Common manu, let's not act like it's 2005 as much as I love him. Hell, I practically have a statue of the guy next to my bed

[siraulo23]

is durant more likely to announce his signing Monday morning or much later? if AM ET, not too far away now

[spurtech09]

And you'll believe everything you hear. the Spurs never had a shot at Durant, NEVER! He called the Spurs best player a "system player". After game 2 of the WCF's in 2012, he said the Spurs aren't nothing then, the backdoor sweep happened. They have a pretty good player that plays his position. Kawhi doesn't really want him here since he not only decided not to show up to the meeting in the Hampton's but, couldn't even be bothered to make a phone call to KD like CP3 did. If you don't have the blessing of the team's best player, chances are you aren't welcome. The only reason he took a meeting in the first place was out of respect to the organization.

:lol thinking Mr. second round exit, Pop and R.C Buford could close a deal.this

[NASpurs]

is durant more likely to announce his signing Monday morning or much later? if AM ET, not too far away now

Don't stay up for it if that's what you mean. :lol

[siraulo23]

Don't stay up for it if that's what you mean. :lol

its 3 PM here where i live :lol

[Hoops Czar]

And I'm a little worried about manu's passive aggressiveness. His agent saying they want market value. Common manu, let's not act like it's 2005 as much as I love him. Hell, I practically have a statue of the guy next to my bed

If that's the case, tell corpse to find himself another team. Pop will just use him as a crutch all season long rendering him useless by the time the postseason arrives.

[SAGirl]

We're still in it. I'd imagine the second he said no the Spurs would be linked with Pau with some sort of offer. But i hope he stays so there remains four elite teams in the West. This year the clips got injured, but I think they would've knocked off the warriors if they were healthy. We may not go into this season stacked but as we have seen championships require some fortune as well.
The reports are that Pau is really holding out for the Spurs. It makes sense is he thinks there is a very remote chance KD joins the Spurs. They may have even agreed on a figure. At least I am hoping. I wonder though if they will move contracts to get it done or not.

[marinoman]

18688294600

If he does choose the Warriors I wanna see this plastered everywhere, Lebron to Miami type of hate

[siraulo23]

18688294600

If he does choose the Warriors I wanna see this plastered everywhere, Lebron to Miami type of hate

he's gonna be an nba villain, but he wont care once he win a couple of championships

[Nathan89]

2yrs 28mil is what I'm expecting if we get Pau.

[Hoops Czar]

he's gonna be an nba villain, but he wont care once he win a couple of championships

Just like when Lebron won a couple of titles with Miami. Nobody cared about the decision anymore.

[SAGirl]

Don't want Gasol for anything more than $10 mil, and looking at the rest of these contracts that isn't happening. Just roll the dice on bringing back the same group, pray for a miracle (Kiwi goes bananas, one of the young Euro rookies explodes onto the scene, Durant/Curry die, etc), and get to work next offseason when worthwhile FAs are available.
I think the real problem for the Spurs, though they can't speak for him us that they Need Gasol bc Timmy is retiring.

[Chinook]

As of right now, the Spurs have $10,427,634 to sign Bertans and Gasol, assuming Manu comes back for the room exception (which is actually not guaranteed, taking that for what you will). The team pretty much has no ability to go beyond that limit without creating another hole that would potentially take even more cap space to fill than is currently being used.

This is currently what the roster looks like (again, ignoring their training camp guys):



Player
Salary/Hold


LaMarcus Aldridge
$20,575,005


Kawhi Leonard
$17,638,063


Tony Parker
$14,445,313


Danny Green
$10,000,000


Boris Diaw
$6,500,000


Tim Duncan
$6,393,750


Patty Mills
$3,578,948


Kyle Anderson
$1,192,080


Livio Jean-Charles
$990,700


Dejounte Murray
$983,400


Jonathan Simmons
$874,636


Roster Charge
$543,471






Total
$83,715,366


Remaining Cap
$10,427,634




The depth chart looks like this:

Parker, Mills, Murray
Green, Simmons
Leonard, Anderson
Aldridge, Diaw, LJC
Duncan

The only hope is praying that A) Tim doesn't retire, and Manu comes back for the room exception, or at least that some serviceable guard does; B) Bertans can be signed cheaply (forget a minimum offer -- think $5M/3); and C) Pau would take what's left over, which is just over $9 Million. Then you use exceptions to bring back Manu and bring in Cady/Ndoye/Lorbek or some other center you can get for the min. That would leave the team with this:



Player
Salary/Hold


LaMarcus Aldridge
$20,575,005


Kawhi Leonard
$17,638,063


Tony Parker
$14,445,313


Danny Green
$10,000,000


Pau Gasol
$9,393,000


Boris Diaw
$6,500,000


Tim Duncan
$6,393,750


Patty Mills
$3,578,948


Manu Ginobili
$2,898,000


Davis Bertans
$1,578,105


Kyle Anderson
$1,192,080


Livio Jean-Charles
$990,700


Dejounte Murray
$983,400


Jonathan Simmons
$874,636


Cady Lalanne
$543,471






Total
$97,584,471


Remaining Cap Space
-$3,441,471



That's about $16 Million under the tax, so some trades could definitely happen. No Boban, but that's for the best in most of these scenarios. The depth chart looks like this:

Parker, Mills, Murray
Green, Ginobili, Simmons
Leonard, Anderson, Bertans
Aldridge, Diaw, LJC
Gasol, Duncan, Lalanne/The Field

That's not bad -- I could see that team catching fire and winning a title -- but it's obviously not where it needs to be. As always, using Mills and/or Diaw to acquire an offensive guard would be nice, especially if West was willing to return on a min deal to fill that backup PF spot. The issue is that there really isn't a good candidate for a trade. You have guys like Ty Lawson and Jennings still in the wind, but they might get more than the team can or either is willing to pay, and that's ignoring that those team might not even want Diaw or Mills back or even be able to complete the deals, as they could have already used their space. The Pel might be willing to deal Evans or Holiday, though the latter is extremely unlikely. The Pacers could move Ellis.

[Chinook]

2yrs 28mil is what I'm expecting if we get Pau.

That's not really possible.

[loveforthegame]

http://nypost.com/2016/07/03/lance-thomas-wants-to-stay-with-possible-knicks-discount/


The Timberwolves, Spurs, Clippers, Thunder and Pelicans are interested, and Thomas has received at least two offers that would slightly top what the Knicks can do.

[apalisoc_9]

Like Lance Thomas...

[SAGirl]

Chinook, what is the scenario if TD retires? I find it hard to believe Pau and the Spurs will be a thing unless TD retires bc of Pau diva allegations/touches.

Manu doesn't sound like he wants a smallish deal and he opted out to get more that is absolutely clear.

Where does this leaves Boban?

[palangi]

Gasol would be alright, nothing special, tbh..

Better than standing part, I suppose..
If only he was black? Right BIGOT!

[Hoops Czar]

That's not really possible.

Ah, the Spurs have their MLE right?

[Uriel]

As of right now, the Spurs have $10,427,634 to sign Bertans and Gasol, assuming Manu comes back for the room exception (which is actually not guaranteed, taking that for what you will). The team pretty much has no ability to go beyond that limit without creating another hole that would potentially take even more cap space to fill than is currently being used.

This is currently what the roster looks like (again, ignoring their training camp guys):



Player
Salary/Hold


LaMarcus Aldridge
$20,575,005


Kawhi Leonard
$17,638,063


Tony Parker
$14,445,313


Danny Green
$10,000,000


Boris Diaw
$6,500,000


Tim Duncan
$6,393,750


Patty Mills
$3,578,948


Kyle Anderson
$1,192,080


Livio Jean-Charles
$990,700


Dejounte Murray
$983,400


Jonathan Simmons
$874,636


Roster Charge
$543,471






Total
$83,715,366


Remaining Cap
$10,427,634




The depth chart looks like this:

Parker, Mills, Murray
Green, Simmons
Leonard, Anderson
Aldridge, Diaw, LJC
Duncan

The only hope is praying that A) Tim doesn't retire, and Manu comes back for the room exception, or at least that some serviceable guard does; B) Bertans can be signed cheaply (forget a minimum offer -- think $5M/3); and C) Pau would take what's left over, which is just over $9 Million. Then you use exceptions to bring back Manu and bring in Cady/Ndoye/Lorbek or some other center you can get for the min. That would leave the team with this:



Player
Salary/Hold


LaMarcus Aldridge
$20,575,005


Kawhi Leonard
$17,638,063


Tony Parker
$14,445,313


Danny Green
$10,000,000


Pau Gasol
$9,393,000


Boris Diaw
$6,500,000


Tim Duncan
$6,393,750


Patty Mills
$3,578,948


Manu Ginobili
$2,898,000


Davis Bertans
$1,578,105


Kyle Anderson
$1,192,080


Livio Jean-Charles
$990,700


Dejounte Murray
$983,400


Jonathan Simmons
$874,636


Cady Lalanne
$543,471






Total
$97,584,471


Remaining Cap Space
-$3,441,471



That's about $16 Million under the tax, so some trades could definitely happen. No Boban, but that's for the best in most of these scenarios. The depth chart looks like this:

Parker, Mills, Murray
Green, Ginobili, Simmons
Leonard, Anderson, Bertans
Aldridge, Diaw, LJC
Gasol, Duncan, Lalanne/The Field

That's not bad -- I could see that team catching fire and winning a title -- but it's obviously not where it needs to be. As always, using Mills and/or Diaw to acquire an offensive guard would be nice, especially if West was willing to return on a min deal to fill that backup PF spot. The issue is that there really isn't a good candidate for a trade. You have guys like Ty Lawson and Jennings still in the wind, but they might get more than the team can or either is willing to pay, and that's ignoring that those team might not even want Diaw or Mills back or even be able to complete the deals, as they could have already used their space. The Pel might be willing to deal Evans or Holiday, though the latter is extremely unlikely. The Pacers could move Ellis.
I think it's likely the front office moves Diaw to create enough cap room to sign Gasol to a near market value deal.

[SAGirl]

As of right now, the Spurs have $10,427,634 to sign Bertans and Gasol, assuming Manu comes back for the room exception (which is actually not guaranteed, taking that for what you will). The team pretty much has no ability to go beyond that limit without creating another hole that would potentially take even more cap space to fill than is currently being used.

This is currently what the roster looks like (again, ignoring their training camp guys):



Player
Salary/Hold


LaMarcus Aldridge
$20,575,005


Kawhi Leonard
$17,638,063


Tony Parker
$14,445,313


Danny Green
$10,000,000


Boris Diaw
$6,500,000


Tim Duncan
$6,393,750


Patty Mills
$3,578,948


Kyle Anderson
$1,192,080


Livio Jean-Charles
$990,700


Dejounte Murray
$983,400


Jonathan Simmons
$874,636


Roster Charge
$543,471






Total
$83,715,366


Remaining Cap
$10,427,634




The depth chart looks like this:

Parker, Mills, Murray
Green, Simmons
Leonard, Anderson
Aldridge, Diaw, LJC
Duncan

The only hope is praying that A) Tim doesn't retire, and Manu comes back for the room exception, or at least that some serviceable guard does; B) Bertans can be signed cheaply (forget a minimum offer -- think $5M/3); and C) Pau would take what's left over, which is just over $9 Million. Then you use exceptions to bring back Manu and bring in Cady/Ndoye/Lorbek or some other center you can get for the min. That would leave the team with this:



Player
Salary/Hold


LaMarcus Aldridge
$20,575,005


Kawhi Leonard
$17,638,063


Tony Parker
$14,445,313


Danny Green
$10,000,000


Pau Gasol
$9,393,000


Boris Diaw
$6,500,000


Tim Duncan
$6,393,750


Patty Mills
$3,578,948


Manu Ginobili
$2,898,000


Davis Bertans
$1,578,105


Kyle Anderson
$1,192,080


Livio Jean-Charles
$990,700


Dejounte Murray
$983,400


Jonathan Simmons
$874,636


Cady Lalanne
$543,471






Total
$97,584,471


Remaining Cap Space
-$3,441,471



That's about $16 Million under the tax, so some trades could definitely happen. No Boban, but that's for the best in most of these scenarios. The depth chart looks like this:

Parker, Mills, Murray
Green, Ginobili, Simmons
Leonard, Anderson, Bertans
Aldridge, Diaw, LJC
Gasol, Duncan, Lalanne/The Field

That's not bad -- I could see that team catching fire and winning a title -- but it's obviously not where it needs to be. As always, using Mills and/or Diaw to acquire an offensive guard would be nice, especially if West was willing to return on a min deal to fill that backup PF spot. The issue is that there really isn't a good candidate for a trade. You have guys like Ty Lawson and Jennings still in the wind, but they might get more than the team can or either is willing to pay, and that's ignoring that those team might not even want Diaw or Mills back or even be able to complete the deals, as they could have already used their space. The Pel might be willing to deal Evans or Holiday, though the latter is extremely unlikely. The Pacers could move Ellis.
ugggghhh so many ppl in that list that are not pulling their worth that it's necessary to hope some unheralded young player has a fantastic year bc a lot of the highest or even mid-level players in that list are not producing what you would expect for what they are paid. Tony is the worst, but Diaw is next behind him and if TD retires yuck. I'd say let's swallow his contract this year and not stretch him but they may need to for Gasol. Dead salary.

[Chinook]

I think it's likely the front office moves Diaw to create enough cap room to sign Gasol to a near market value deal.

I disagree strongly. I think they would have done that last month if that were the case. Anyway, they'd still be missing a rotation-caliber player. I'd be fine with Anderson moving over to the four, but that just means they'd need another wing.

[Chinook]

Ah, the Spurs have their MLE right?

They might have it depending on whether they stay over the cap or go under. Even so, that wouldn't get them the ability to make the contract Nathan was suggesting.

[MaNu4Tres]

I disagree strongly. I think they would have done that last month if that were the case. Anyway, they'd still be missing a rotation-caliber player. I'd be fine with Anderson moving over to the four, but that just means they'd need another wing.

What if Gasol was willing to sign for 12-14 mil, SA trades Diaw/Mills to free up another 11 mil, SA uses that to sign a PF (Robinson, TJones, Reed, L. Thomas) and Sloan? Trading Mills would be dependent on how much the back up PF costs.

[Chinook]

Chinook (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557), what is the scenario if TD retires? I find it hard to believe Pau and the Spurs will be a thing unless TD retires bc of Pau diva allegations/touches.

Manu doesn't sound like he wants a smallish deal and he opted out to get more that is absolutely clear.

Where does this leaves Boban?

I had a really long post just after your question, but to summarize:

Tim really needs to come back. If he doesn't, the best I think they could do would be to stretch him and hope they can find a center with the $4 Million that opens up. Maybe Dedmon?

The Spurs simply don't have the room to keep Manu at anything else unless they stay over the cap. He may well end up parting ways with the team, though I think he'll be back for the room exception. The Spurs absolutely can't kowtow to him.

Boban is likely gone if Gasol shows up. The only thing he has going for him is that he hasn't been in any rumors for contracts. So the Spurs have an outside chance of locking him up to that aforementioned $4 Million or the room exception. Failing that, I don't think he's back if the Spurs go under the cap, whereas I think there's a very good chance if they stay over it.

[SD126]

I think it's likely the front office moves Diaw to create enough cap room to sign Gasol to a near market value deal.

PATFO weren't strong enough to let him walk after '14, they certainly won't trade Diaw's useless arse now.

[Ditty]

Chinook Are the Spurs able to sign LJC, and Murray if they're over the cap if they reannounce Milutinov, LJC and not sure if they can with Murray? Just seeing what the max salary cap the Spurs can have if they trade Mills, and Diaw for a salary dump or a 1st/2nd round. Of course Gasol at $10-$12 million would be ideal if we sign him.

[SAGirl]

The way I see that above ^ they are letting Boban go for Pau basically and we better hope TD returns.

The other option is that's we are reuping Manu in a farewell contract, and fit Boban and Bertans into the exceptions. The rest are all of our rookies. We basically don't add any FA except the training camp invitees and all our stashes that Pop intends to bring in anyways. Something of that nature. It TD doesn't retire. It works. If TD retires this is where it doesn't work bc then you'd have to start Boban.

[DPG21920]

I've been saying that if Gasol did not want the Spurs (he knows the money available) he would have signed with MIN/POR etc..nothing is stopping him from signing there.

The only logical thing is he's waiting for the team he wants to make a decision.

[MaNu4Tres]

I've been saying that if Gasol did not want the Spurs (he knows the money available) he would have signed with MIN/POR etc..nothing is stopping him from signing there.

The only logical thing is he's waiting for the team he wants to make a decision.

How much do you think he signs for?

[Chinook]

What if Gasol was willing to sign for 12-14 mil, SA trades Diaw/Mills to free up another 11 mil, SA uses that to sign a PF (Robinson, TJones, Reed, L. Thomas) and Sloan? Trading Mills would be dependent on how much the back up PF costs.

Those trades would only free up about $9 Million (they make about $10 Million combined, and then you have to add the two roster charges of about $500k each), so that would leave the team with $19,419,640 in space and with nine players accounted for. Assuming Pau took $12 Million, the Spurs would have about $8-9 Million to get a backup PF and backup PG. That's possible, but pretty risky. Let's just assume Jones and Teodosic, since that's like best-case here, along with Manu, Tim and Lalanne as before:

Parker, Teodosic, Murray
Green, Manu, Simmons
Leonard, Anderson
Aldridge, Jones, LJC
Gasol, Duncan, Lalanne

The big thing missing is Bertans. The Spurs would likely have to choose to let one of the two full rotation spots go to bring him on. If the team is comfortable with Andre Miller being the backup PG, maybe they could have him instead of Milos and have Bertans as that final spot.

[Chinook]

Chinook (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557) Are the Spurs able to sign LJC, and Murray if they're over the cap if they reannounce Milutinov, LJC and not sure if they can with Murray? Just seeing what the max salary cap the Spurs can have if they trade Mills, and Diaw for a salary dump or a 1st/2nd round. Of course Gasol at $10-$12 million would be ideal if we sign him.

The Spurs can't really renounce LJC or Murray in the same way they can cap holds. They can release their rights, but obviously, they really don't want to do that. They can go over the cap to sign them -- and they will -- but they can only do so if they had their holds on their cap. They're apparently keen on doing that now, but they are saving at most a half-million bucks by doing it. Milutinov isn't an obstacle, as he's still under contract in Greece.

[ace3g]

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Vertical Sources: Free agent Tarik Black has agreed to a two-year, $12.85 million deal to re-sign with the Los Angeles Lakers.

[palangi]

Those trades would only free up about $9 Million (they make about $10 Million combined, and then you have to add the two roster charges of about $500k each), so that would leave the team with $19,419,640 in space and with nine players accounted for. Assuming Pau took $12 Million, the Spurs would have about $8-9 Million to get a backup PF and backup PG. That's possible, but pretty risky. Let's just assume Jones and Teodosic, since that's like best-case here, along with Manu, Tim and Lalanne as before:

Parker, Teodosic, Murray
Green, Manu, Simmons
Leonard, Anderson
Aldridge, Jones, LJC
Gasol, Duncan, Lalanne

The big thing missing is Bertans. The Spurs would likely have to choose to let one of the two full rotation spots go to bring him on. If the team is comfortable with Andre Miller being the backup PG, maybe they could have him instead of Milos and have Bertans as that final spot.
What if they are expecting Lalanne and LJC to be the backups? I know it isn't ideal, but year me out here. Aldridge plays 30 minutes. leaving 18 minutes to be filled. In small ball guys like Kawhi and KA or even Burtans can fill in. Leaving small amount of time for these two to fill in.

PG- Parker, Teodosic, Murray
SG- Green, Manu, Simmons
SF- Leonard, Anderson, Bertans
PF- Aldridge, Lalanne, LJC
C- Gasol, Boban, Milutinov

[Snaq O'Meal]

ugggghhh so many ppl in that list that are not pulling their worth that it's necessary to hope some unheralded young player has a fantastic year bc a lot of the highest or even mid-level players in that list are not producing what you would expect for what they are paid. Tony is the worst, but Diaw is next behind him and if TD retires yuck. I'd say let's swallow his contract this year and not stretch him but they may need to for Gasol. Dead salary.

Actually, most of them were pulling their weight:


Kawhi Leonard: +$20.8 value ($37.2 million value produced, $16.4 million contract value)
David West (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21663/david-west): +$9.9 value ($11.4 million value produced, $1.5 million contract value)
Tim Duncan: +$8.4 value ($14.4 million value produced, $6.0 million contract value)
Manu Ginobili (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21775/manu-ginobili): +$6.8 value ($9.6 million value produced, $2.8 million contract value)
Kyle Anderson (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/246160/kyle-anderson): +$6.1 value ($7.2 million value produced, $1.1 million contract value)
Patty Mills (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/71950/patty-mills): +$6.0 value ($9.6 million value produced, $3.6 million contract value)
Danny Green (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/71944/danny-green): +$5.0 value ($15 million value produced, $10 million contract value)
Boban Marjanovic (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/257504/boban-marjanovic): +$3.0 value ($4.2 million value produced, $1.2 million contract value)
Rasual Butler (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21668/rasual-butler): +$1.5 value ($2.4 million value produced, $0.9 million contract value)
Jonathon Simmons (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/257503/jonathon-simmons): +$0.7 value ($1.2 million value produced, $0.5 million contract value)
Andre Miller (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21585/andre-miller): +$0.3 value ($0.6 million value produced, $0.3 million contract value)
Matt Bonner (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21772/matt-bonner): +$0.3 value ($1.2 million value produced, $0.9 million contract value)
Boris Diaw (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21919/boris-diaw): -$0.9 value ($6.6 million value produced, $7.5 million contract value)
LaMarcus Aldridge: -$6.5 value ($13.2 million value produced, $19.7 million contract value)
Tony Parker: -$7.4 value ($6.0 million value produced, $13.4 million contract value)


The exceptions are Diaw, Aldridge and Parker.

And you can excuse Aldridge from that group, since he did produce $13.2 million of value in a new system, and will only get better.

[timtonymanu]

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Vertical Sources: Free agent Tarik Black has agreed to a two-year, $12.85 million deal to re-sign with the Los Angeles Lakers.

:lmao

[Chinook]

:lmao

I actually like Black. If there's a team option or non-guaranteed year in there, it seems fine.

[MaNu4Tres]

Those trades would only free up about $9 Million (they make about $10 Million combined, and then you have to add the two roster charges of about $500k each), so that would leave the team with $19,419,640 in space and with nine players accounted for. Assuming Pau took $12 Million, the Spurs would have about $8-9 Million to get a backup PF and backup PG. That's possible, but pretty risky. Let's just assume Jones and Teodosic, since that's like best-case here, along with Manu, Tim and Lalanne as before:

Parker, Teodosic, Murray
Green, Manu, Simmons
Leonard, Anderson
Aldridge, Jones, LJC
Gasol, Duncan, Lalanne

The big thing missing is Bertans. The Spurs would likely have to choose to let one of the two full rotation spots go to bring him on. If the team is comfortable with Andre Miller being the backup PG, maybe they could have him instead of Milos and have Bertans as that final spot.

Diaw is due to make 7 million, Patty 3.6 million= 7+ 3.6 = 10.6 million, no? 10.6 is closer to 11 than 10 no? Am I missing something?

[Chinook]

Diaw is due to make 7 million, Patty 3.6 million= 7+ 3.6 = 10.6 million, no? 10.6 is closer to 11 than 10 no? Am I missing something?

Diaw is due $6.5 Million due to him missing his weight incentive last season (not confirmed that he missed it, but c'mon now, that wasn't helium). Mills makes $3.578 Million. Those combine for $10.078 Million. That minus two roster charges leads to a savings of $8,992,006,

[SAGirl]

Actually, most of them were pulling their weight:


Kawhi Leonard: +$20.8 value ($37.2 million value produced, $16.4 million contract value)
David West (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21663/david-west): +$9.9 value ($11.4 million value produced, $1.5 million contract value)
Tim Duncan: +$8.4 value ($14.4 million value produced, $6.0 million contract value)
Manu Ginobili (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21775/manu-ginobili): +$6.8 value ($9.6 million value produced, $2.8 million contract value)
Kyle Anderson (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/246160/kyle-anderson): +$6.1 value ($7.2 million value produced, $1.1 million contract value)
Patty Mills (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/71950/patty-mills): +$6.0 value ($9.6 million value produced, $3.6 million contract value)
Danny Green (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/71944/danny-green): +$5.0 value ($15 million value produced, $10 million contract value)
Boban Marjanovic (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/257504/boban-marjanovic): +$3.0 value ($4.2 million value produced, $1.2 million contract value)
Rasual Butler (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21668/rasual-butler): +$1.5 value ($2.4 million value produced, $0.9 million contract value)
Jonathon Simmons (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/257503/jonathon-simmons): +$0.7 value ($1.2 million value produced, $0.5 million contract value)
Andre Miller (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21585/andre-miller): +$0.3 value ($0.6 million value produced, $0.3 million contract value)
Matt Bonner (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21772/matt-bonner): +$0.3 value ($1.2 million value produced, $0.9 million contract value)
Boris Diaw (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21919/boris-diaw): -$0.9 value ($6.6 million value produced, $7.5 million contract value)
LaMarcus Aldridge: -$6.5 value ($13.2 million value produced, $19.7 million contract value)
Tony Parker: -$7.4 value ($6.0 million value produced, $13.4 million contract value)


The exceptions are Diaw, Aldridge and Parker.

And you can excuse Aldridge from that group, since he did produce $13.2 million of value in a new system, and will only get better.
Yup I saw that post. I cut Aldridge slack bc his first half of the season he was utterly in deferral mode and I know it affected his stats. I would expect a better season from him next. Tony and Diaw were the ones underperforming yet they won't be traded. Tony is the worst but Diaw is super streaky and flat out disappears at times. As much as the trolls hate on Kyle for example, the proof is in the pudding. Even with a terrible super passive start to the season Kyle outperformed his contract times six bc he picked up the slack when we had vets injured. It just showed he had been underused up until then. If he picks it up where he left off I think he will far outperform himself, and bc he can play so many positions I see him filling up a lot of holes. But it does make one wonder about the "dead weight" bc those guys are unlikely to increase their production. All one can hope is that they hold steady. Tony and Diaw won't be better than they were, they simply can't.

[SD126]

Yup I saw that post. I cut Aldridge slack bc his first half of the season he was utterly in deferral mode and I know it affected his stats. I would expect a better season from him next. Tony and Diaw were the ones underperforming yet they won't be traded. Tony is the worst but Diaw is super streaky and flat out disappears at times. As much as the trolls hate on Kyle for example, the proof is in the pudding. Even with a terrible super passive start to the season Kyle outperformed his contract times six bc he picked up the slack when we had vets injured. It just showed he had been underused up until then. If he picks it up where he left off I think he will far outperform himself, and bc he can play so many positions I see him filling up a lot of holes. But it does make one wonder about the "dead weight" bc those guys are unlikely to increase their production. All one can hope is that they hold steady. Tony and Diaw won't be better than they were, they simply can't.

Turning another post into yet another Kyle love affair per par. We get it, you're in mad love with the guy. No need to say it 1,000,000 times. Just get his # already. Lol

[marinoman]

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The rich get richer

[SAGirl]

Diaw is due $6.5 Million due to him missing his weight incentive last season (not confirmed that he missed it, but c'mon now, that wasn't helium). Mills makes $3.578 Million. Those combine for $10.078 Million. That minus two roster charges leads to a savings of $8,992,006,
I am thinking Pop decided to hold on to them bc replacing them in this FA period is madness. I mean right now they have Manus agent going to the press making noise like DWade. The other aspect is all the rookies Pop will be bringing. He's going to want his vets to break them in

In fact now that I think about it, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the reason the Spurs sent KA to summer league was to help introduce all these rookies to the Spurs system etc. There's always the coaching staff but it's better if there are players in the floor that know the system in case guys get stuck. That is not JSimms cup of tea.

[MaNu4Tres]

Diaw is due $6.5 Million due to him missing his weight incentive last season (not confirmed that he missed it, but c'mon now, that wasn't helium). Mills makes $3.578 Million. Those combine for $10.078 Million. That minus two roster charges leads to a savings of $8,992,006,

If Spurs opt to trade Pattys w/ Diaw to like the Hawks for a 1st to create more space to sign a better back up PF ( I.E Thomas vs. T Jones or T-Rob), there should be some decent options for back up PG for the minimum. Point guard position is the most saturated in the league, and I could see most of Vasquez, Sloan, Blake, Price, Brooks all being desperate for a job.

[Chinook]

If that's true, I think they will have to renounce a couple of RFAs that could be of interest.


I am thinking Pop decided to hold on to them bc replacing them in this FA period is madness. I mean right now they have Manus agent going to the press making noise like DWade. The other aspect is all the rookies Pop will be bringing. He's going to want his vets to break them in

In fact now that I think about it, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the reason the Spurs sent KA to summer league was to help introduce all these rookies to the Spurs system etc. There's always the coaching staff but it's better if there are players in the floor that know the system in case guys get stuck. That is not JSimms cup of tea.

I think it's just to give him a chance to show what he's worked on. Some of it might just be things like shooting or driving. He might play the four or five exclusively if they are looking at him replacing Diaw. I don't expect to see Anderson on the Vegas roster.

EDIT: No idea why you're quoted, sasaint. I guess just enjoy the ride.

[DPG21920]

I don't really see anyway around what SA has to do if Pau doesn't shock everyone and take a way below market deal. I believe he may leave "some" money, but not a ton. I think Boris has to be moved (regardless if Tim comes back or not). I think SA is choosing Pau over Boris/West/Boban - especially if Tim retires. Because that would make Pau the starter.

I see Pau at 14-16M for 2 years (player option in year 2).

Perhaps SA is going to be fine replacing West/Boban/Diaw with youth where they can and roll the dice on Pau the starter or if Tim is back, Pau the 6th man over Boris/Boban/West.

[kjhip1]

I don't really see anyway around what SA has to do if Pau doesn't shock everyone and take a way below market deal. I believe he may leave "some" money, but not a ton. I think Boris has to be moved (regardless if Tim comes back or not). I think SA is choosing Pau over Boris - especially if Tim retires. That would make Pau the starter.

I see Pau at 14-16M for 2 years (player option in year 2).

All things considered, we get Pau and Durant goes back to OKC, does that still leave the West like this with all the changes:

1. GS
2. OKC
3. SA

Don't see how we move past OKC with the youth and size issue. But tbh there is no other alternative (other than Pau) for the Spurs this offseason.

[SAGirl]

I think it's just to give him a chance to show what he's worked on. Some of it might just be things like shooting or driving. He might play the four or five exclusively if they are looking at him replacing Diaw. I don't expect to see Anderson on the Vegas roster.

EDIT: No idea why you're quoted, sasaint. I guess just enjoy the ride.
I thought about that just now when considering all the rookies bc a lot of them are big men, at least the ones in Vegas (or the ones I hope will be in Vegas). I suppose all this is in flux. We shall see Cady at least, and Lorbek and the guards are shooters and should be interesting but it didn't seem when they interviewed him that the Spurs told him to work on anything specific. They may just want to see where he's at in general and go from there. It seems a bit haphazard.

[Nathan89]

I'm fine with Boris leaving if we get Pau. Both are offensive threats and defensive liabilities. At least Pau has some length.

[Chinook]

All things considered, we get Pau and Durant goes back to OKC, does that still leave the West like this with all the changes:

1. GS
2. OKC
3. SA

Don't see how we move past OKC with the youth and size issue. But tbh there is no other alternative (other than Pau) for the Spurs this offseason.

The Spurs with Gasol, Duncan and LMA are WAY bigger than OKC and should be fine inside if Diaw is retained, he can keep OKC from playing Durant at the four. The youth issue os overstated, as OKC is arguably too young at this point.

[DPG21920]

All things considered, we get Pau and Durant goes back to OKC, does that still leave the West like this with all the changes:

1. GS
2. OKC
3. SA

Don't see how we move past OKC with the youth and size issue. But tbh there is no other alternative (other than Pau) for the Spurs this offseason.

I would say yes, but a lineup of (let's assume Tim retires - if he doesn't, that is a nice bonus):

Pau
LMA
Kawhi
DG
TP

That team, anchored by Kawhi/DG/LMA is still a good defensive team. People keep lamenting the lack of big man perimeter defense, but Tim even when healthy last year was horrible there too. Nothing changes there and despite haven LMA/Tim, SA's defense was unreal good with that flaw.

As long as Pau can protect the rim (which I think he can do good enough) - I think the defense remains very solid. Even if it regresses some due to the gap in Tim's low block defense and Pau's SA could still have the leagues best defense or top 3.

But having Pau in there instead of Tim on offense would obviously help. Pau can still shoot effectively, is just as good of a passer as Tim and is a better low post player at this stage too. The offense should improve well IMO. Not GS level, but very solid.

Then a bench of:

Mills/Manu/Kyle/Simmons/LJC/Murray is not great, but we have to see if Bertans gets fit in along with another big signing on (maybe even West comes back, but who knows). Bench is in a tough spot regardless at the moment.

I think with the question marks on the bench, you have to have OKC/GS ahead of SA, but it will remain to be seen if OKC/GS improved any (they could, but it's not guaranteed).

[kjhip1]

The Spurs with Gasol, Duncan and LMA are WAY bigger than OKC and should be fine inside if Diaw is retained, he can keep OKC from playing Durant at the four. The youth issue os overstated, as OKC is arguably too young at this point.

Well whatever happens it'll be good just to see how the landscape changes after the rest of the signings are done. I mean everything could go straight ridiculous and KD goes to GS and we lose Pau for whatever reason.

[Kawhitstorm]

What if Gasol was willing to sign for 12-14 mil, SA trades Diaw/Mills to free up another 11 mil, SA uses that to sign a PF (Robinson, TJones, Reed, L. Thomas) and Sloan? Trading Mills would be dependent on how much the back up PF costs.

Might as well pick up Jarnell Stokes from the D-League for the minimum rather than paying Thomas Robinson 2yrs/8mill.:lol

T-Jones has Tiago-itius but he's a good buy low candidate, Reed is really an unproven commodity that won't get much time on a contender outside of garbage time but he would be a rich man's Ayres.:lol

Lance Thomas is really a wing who's being hyped up because he shot 40% from 3 on 44 makes & played small ball 4 on a shitty team (his advanced stats are TERRIBLE::lol). The Knicks already offered him 6 mill so he's probably going to get something like 4yrs/32 mill, might as well bring back Rasual.:lol

[kjhip1]

I would say yes, but a lineup of (let's assume Tim retires - if he doesn't, that is a nice bonus):

Pau
LMA
Kawhi
DG
TP

That team, anchored by Kawhi/DG/LMA is still a good defensive team. People keep lamenting the lack of big man perimeter defense, but Tim even when healthy last year was horrible there too. Nothing changes there and despite haven LMA/Tim, SA's defense was unreal good with that flaw.

As long as Pau can protect the rim (which I think he can do good enough) - I think the defense remains very solid. Even if it regresses some due to the gap in Tim's low block defense and Pau's SA could still have the leagues best defense or top 3.

But having Pau in there instead of Tim on offense would obviously help. Pau can still shoot effectively, is just as good of a passer as Tim and is a better low post player at this stage too. The offense should improve well IMO. Not GS level, but very solid.

Then a bench of:

Mills/Manu/Kyle/Simmons/LJC/Murray is not great, but we have to see if Bertans gets fit in along with another big signing on (maybe even West comes back, but who knows). Bench is in a tough spot regardless at the moment.

yeah that bench lineup look ugly. I love Manu (lets be honest he's a facilitator) but one of those other players has to step up and score. Pop will need to play LMA/KL more minutes. Don't want to put too much on Murray, but it'll be interesting to see how quick he can develop (1-2 years? more?)

[YGWHI]

Pau won't play for the Spurs if he doesn't secure his starting spot. He would accept 6th man role? That doesn't sound like Pau Gasol.

If he has to sacrifice money to join the Spurs, he'll want to start in SA.

[SAGirl]

I don't really see anyway around what SA has to do if Pau doesn't shock everyone and take a way below market deal. I believe he may leave "some" money, but not a ton. I think Boris has to be moved (regardless if Tim comes back or not). I think SA is choosing Pau over Boris/West/Boban - especially if Tim retires. Because that would make Pau the starter.

I see Pau at 14-16M for 2 years (player option in year 2).

Perhaps SA is going to be fine replacing West/Boban/Diaw with youth where they can and roll the dice on Pau the starter or if Tim is back, Pau the 6th man over Boris/Boban/West.
I see what you are saying.

Basically the bench is Tim/Anderson/Bertans or Simmons/Manu/Mills. Anderson already saw 35% of his playing time as a 4 give or take, including the closing game 6 with TD. Bertans and Simmons battle it out for SF minutes. You could still also start TD and send Pau to the bench. That basically has him in a role I had foreseen for Boban. Are we sure he's better than Boban in that role? I like Boban bc he plays close to the basket TBH.

But I keep getting back to Tim retiring. Maybe mentally I have made up my mind that is what's going to happen and I am stuck in that. I think the Spurs are really this set on Paul bc Tim is retiring. Otherwise they'd be happy to roll with Boban and Diaw in the bench and start Tim one last season.

[SAGirl]

Pau won't play for the Spurs if he doesn't secure his starting spot. He would accept 6th man role? That doesn't sound like Pau Gasol.

If he has to sacrifice money to join the Spurs, he'll want to start in SA.
If Timmy is retiring I can see him really interested in the Spurs.

[DPG21920]

I see what you are saying.

Basically the bench is Tim/Anderson/Bertans or Simmons/Manu/Mills. Anderson already saw 35% of his playing time as a 4 give or take, including the closing game 6 with TD. Bertans and Simmons battle it out for SF minutes. You could still also start TD and send Pau to the bench. That basically has him in a role I had foreseen for Boban. Are we sure he's better than Boban in that role? I like Boban bc he plays close to the basket TBH.

But I keep getting back to Tim retiring. Maybe mentally I have made up my mind that is what's going to happen and I am stuck in that. I think the Spurs are really this set on Paul bc Tim is retiring. Otherwise they'd be happy to roll with Boban and Diaw in the bench and start Tim one last season.

I agree - it makes more sense if Tim is retiring because you need a starter and Pau is that. I also think, regardless of Tim SA wants to improve if they can and Pau they believe to be the most achievable way.

[SAGirl]

yeah that bench lineup look ugly. I love Manu (lets be honest he's a facilitator) but one of those other players has to step up and score. Pop will need to play LMA/KL more minutes. Don't want to put too much on Murray, but it'll be interesting to see how quick he can develop (1-2 years? more?)
Murray at least one season, I can't say what it will take for his shot but it's a shock for all rookies this young and he doesn't know our system and doesn't have good habits from college. It might be closer to 2 years realistically.

[DPG21920]

The issue is losing Boban/West/Boris/Tim and only gettin Pau. It Tim comes back, that's so big right now, but I don't think he will.

Spurs will have to get 2 more bigs and I don't see a path. If SA can get to 19M in cap space (which now means losing Mills maybe in addition to Boris) and Pau takes 16M, that means they really need Manu back now. So how does SA get bigs in the fold?

I'm sure SA knows this and has some plans, but I can't even begin to guess how this will work out if they are dead set on Pau and we assume Pau is not taking a "discount'.

[SAGirl]

Turning another post into yet another Kyle love affair per par. We get it, you're in mad love with the guy. No need to say it 1,000,000 times. Just get his # already. Lol
He generates a lot of unwarranted hate so I will spew my fandom for the guys as I please kapische?

[Ditty]

The Spurs can't really renounce LJC or Murray in the same way they can cap holds. They can release their rights, but obviously, they really don't want to do that. They can go over the cap to sign them -- and they will -- but they can only do so if they had their holds on their cap. They're apparently keen on doing that now, but they are saving at most a half-million bucks by doing it. Milutinov isn't an obstacle, as he's still under contract in Greece.

Thanks Chinook! :toast

At the end of the day the Spurs are going to win a lot of games again in the regular season, with the roster you created especially with how top heavy the league is now. Have to look at the bigger picture of how we could matchup with GS/OKC/CLE in the postseason. With Gasol imo, Spurs matchup a lot better against OKC big's and could force the Warriors to go big. It could even help Duncan who I hope will come back at this point, because he's still above average defensive presence off the bench he is better suited against the Ezeli's, McGary's and whoever will be the backup center in Cleveland will be next season.

My second main concern is that we need another guard that can score, so I understood you pushing for the Spurs to sign Gordon originally. Anderson has shown he can score with the ball in his hands, but it sounds like Spurs want him to be a 3 in this league, and not a point guard which imo better suits his talents. Murray obviously has the potential to be a good scorer, and great creator but I seriously doubt Pop plays him late in the postseason. I'm not a huge fan, but at this point I wouldn't mind getting Michael Carter Williams. I'm not sure how high the Bucks are about him, but they reportedly tried to trade him at the deadline. Mills could give them some shooting which they need for a swap.
My roster prediction for opening night:

Gasol/Duncan/Boban
Aldridge/Boris/LJC
Leonard/Anderson/Bertans
Green/Manu/Simmons
Parker/Mills/Murray

Maybe David West waits it out, and joins the team later in the season if Diaw and Mills aren't very impressive. I could see Spurs trading them both going after George Hill at the trade deadline, if George doesn't want to be in Utah or they're struggling.

Gasol/Duncan/Boban
Aldridge/West/LJC
Leonard/Anderson/Bertans
Green/Manu/Simmons
Parker/Hill/Murray

Could be a nice all around team to close the season with.

[SAGirl]

The issue is losing Boban/West/Boris/Tim and only gettin Pau. It Tim comes back, that's so big right now, but I don't think he will.

Spurs will have to get 2 more bigs and I don't see a path. If SA can get to 19M in cap space (which now means losing Mills maybe in addition to Boris) and Pau takes 16M, that means they really need Manu back now. So how does SA get bigs in the fold?

I'm sure SA knows this and has some plans, but I can't even begin to guess how this will work out if they are dead set on Pau and we assume Pau is not taking a "discount'.
I wish we could do Pau/LMA/Boban/Diaw, assuming Tim retires. I have to go back to Chinook's post to figure out how that's possible. I find if they wanted to do something about Diaw they would have already like Chinook said way back. They can fit Boban to an exception if I am recalling that right. They can always stretch the Tim contract. Manu is the one who doesn't look like he will get what he wants $

[YGWHI]

So basically if the Spurs can't sign KD but get Pau and Tim retires

-Zero decent defenders/rebounding bigs in the second unit

-Aging backcourt with Parker (34/5)-Manu (39) in the clutch time against younger/elite guards

-Zero reliable three point shooters, just our loved icy-hot Danny

-No pure slasher

Still don't get how the Spurs improve depth, athleticism with these moves.

It seems the only plan B they have is just save money for next season.

[SAGirl]

So basically if the Spurs can't sign KD but get Pau and Tim retires

-Zero decent defenders/rebounding bigs in the second unit

-Aging backcourt with Parker (34/5)-Manu (39) in the cluth time against younger/elite guards

-Zero reliable three point shooters, just our loved icy-hot Danny

-No pure slasher

Still don't get how the Spurs improve depth, athleticism with these moves.

It seems the only plan B they have is just save money for next season.
Manu doesn't even sound like a certainty. He wants to get paid.

[YGWHI]

Manu doesn't even sound like a certainty. He wants to get paid.

:depressed

[SAGirl]

:depressed
I know. We might get a lot younger the unconventional way. Meaning we simply can't afford the guys we had last season.

[cutewizard]

TO KEVIN DURANT:

If you are still undecided, go ask Lebron James what team has the best organization in sports.

Its as simple as that, ask the best player on the planet for advice. How simple can that be.

If you refuse us, I got this for you baby:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHG2oizTlpY

[szkorhetz]

#trusttheprocess

[YGWHI]

I know. We might get a lot younger the unconventional way. Meaning we simply can't afford the guys we had last season.

Well, trying to find a bright side to the Spurs offseason, they won't have issues in the locker room.

Just think about the Bulls putting Rondo and Butler...on the same team, after moves like that, the Spurs seem the clear offseason winners :D

[cutewizard]

Anyone wants Zaza Pachulia??

[cutewizard]

Lots of role players to choose from:

http://hoopshype.com/2016/07/03/nba-free-agency-2016-the-top-players/

[Mal]

Anyone wants Zaza Pachulia??

Dirty asshole. No

[hsxvvd]

If Durant signs with the Warriors we all might as well go and sign globetrotters and guys from the And1 mixtape tour... aim for some entertainment because nobody else is winning rings for awhile.

[r0drig0lac]

And you'll believe everything you hear. the Spurs never had a shot at Durant, NEVER! He called the Spurs best player a "system player". After game 2 of the WCF's in 2012, he said the Spurs aren't nothing then, the backdoor sweep happened. They have a pretty good player that plays his position. Kawhi doesn't really want him here since he not only decided not to show up to the meeting in the Hampton's but, couldn't even be bothered to make a phone call to KD like CP3 did. If you don't have the blessing of the team's best player, chances are you aren't welcome. The only reason he took a meeting in the first place was out of respect to the organization.

:lol thinking Mr. second round exit, Pop and R.C Buford could close a deal.

I kind of agree, do not think Durant would like to play with Kawhi (it really does not respect Kawhi as a player of his level)

[cutewizard]

If Durant signs with the Warriors we all might as well go and sign globetrotters and guys from the And1 mixtape tour... aim for some entertainment because nobody else is winning rings for awhile.

-------------------------------------------------------

not necessarily, lets see

the last big four was the Lakers with Shaq, Kobe, Payton and the Mailman

THAT BIG FOUR DID NOT DELIVER!!!!

(Which is amazing because Shaq is arguably the only competition Wilt will ever have in the eyes of God!!! hahahahahahah)

[cutewizard]

Also, Lebron James begs to contest that......

Bring Wade to the Cavs, and I think Lebron and company can beat the Warriors again!

[dbestpro]

I believe TD will retire, but will comeback to play after the all star game, and close the season out with one more run. There really is no reason to put himself through a full season.

[MaNu4Tres]

I believe TD will retire, but will comeback to play after the all star game, and close the season out with one more run. There really is no reason to put himself through a full season.

If you know Tim, there's no way he'd do that. He's too competitive. If he plays, he plays -- just less minutes than last year because of Pau.

[dbestpro]

OKC may have gotten better against some teams, but they have gotten worse against the Spurs. Ibaka was key to letting OKC beat teams with their athleticism. The Spurs just need sign a good center. OKC will not be able to beat you with their athleticism, anymore.

[Sean Cagney]

OKC may have gotten better against some teams, but they have gotten worse against the Spurs. Ibaka was key to letting OKC beat teams with their athleticism. The Spurs just need sign a good center. OKC will not be able to beat you with their athleticism, anymore.
Kanter and Adams were actually the two that killed us in the playoffs though.

[NikosChelsea7]

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[Uriel]

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Once Durant makes his decision, we should see Pau signing with the Spurs very shortly.

[Chinook]

Damn, so no Gasol either...

[Ice009]

Once Durant makes his decision, we should see Pau signing with the Spurs very shortly.

Doesn't seem like a lock at all.

[dbestpro]

Kanter and Adams were actually the two that killed us in the playoffs though.

Simply because we never put a backup center on the floor.

[Kikoluna]

I'm starting to get panicky, starting to feel like Durant and gasol are a no. Who then?? Win now more and go for wade?

[Ice009]

I'm starting to get panicky, starting to feel like Durant and gasol are a no. Who then?? Win now more and go for wade?

Spurs are Championship city. We're not panic city. We'll be alright either way.

[RD2191]

I don't get the obsession with Pau. He isn't going to put us past okc or gs.

[montgod]

Damn, so no Gasol either...

I think he has learned after being in Chicago IF he is all about winning where to go. Him waiting so long is a positive that he would rather be with Spurs imo

[dbestpro]

I think he has learned after being in Chicago IF he is all about winning where to go. Him waiting so long is a positive that he would rather be with Spurs imo

I agree. If Gasol was all about the money he would already be signed. I do think he will get paid by the Spurs a lot more money than most think.

[montgod]

I don't get the obsession with Pau. He isn't going to put us past okc or gs.

Thought process is OKC didn't necessarily blow us out with the two flukes wins and our guys not doing their job (i.e. TP making free throws, Lma/Kawhi making shots, etc) or playing Spurs ball. We can learn and improve to some degree from within and added minor pieces. Time will tell but it's not a definite OKC or GS are heads above Spurs right now imo. Knee jersey additions usually don't work unless it's Durant lol

[montgod]

I agree. If Gasol was all about the money he would already be signed. I do think he will get paid by the Spurs a lot more money than most think.

Par for course theses days but I think Spurs might be able to convince him to take a shorter deal at least to keep cap flexible. Positive about playing for Spurs is we don't burn you when you get old IF you can still perform and we are trustworthy on that point. A huge positive to a player like Gasol.

[dbestpro]

I don't care where Durant signs. The Spurs got this. LMA will be a year into our system and will be better. Anderson, Simmons, and Boban, will earn more trust, and be more experienced, as well. The only thing to fix is the center position. Gasol, Monroe, Sanders, Hibbert, or someone else will fix that problem. OKC will regret the loss of Ibaka. The dubs are mentally a time bomb ready to implode at any time. The Spurs will weather the storm, and it is their consistency that will win at the end of the day.

[Kikoluna]

I don't care where Durant signs. The Spurs got this. LMA will be a year into our system and will be better. Anderson, Simmons, and Boban, will earn more trust, and be more experienced, as well. The only thing to fix is the center position. Gasol, Monroe, Sanders, Hibbert, or someone else will fix that problem. OKC will regret the loss of Ibaka. The dubs are mentally a time bomb ready to implode at any time. The Spurs will weather the storm, and it is their consistency that will win at the end of the day.
I agree with your take EXCEPT the Kyle Anderson part my. I'm not going to go on my kyle tantrum again but yes , if we can somehow get a big guy, even getting tiago back.

[BatManu20]

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[tmtcsc]

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I don't believe a word Broussard says. Not sure how he has a job.

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[TheGreatYacht]

Broussard said KD was 'blown away' by the Clippers meeting :lol

Dont take him seriously

[Uriel]

FWIW, Chris Broussad says he thinks Durant will sign with the Warriors.

[dabom]

Broussard said KD was 'blown away' by the Clippers meeting :lol

Dont take him seriously

Sauces has a video up saying KD might go to GSW. :lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

Sauces has a video up saying KD might go to GSW. :lmao
Damn that's pretty much a wrap for them :lol

We better hurry up and sign Pau before they do

[SPURt]

TO KEVIN DURANT:

If you are still undecided, go ask Lebron James what team has the best organization in sports.

Its as simple as that, ask the best player on the planet for advice. How simple can that be.

If you refuse us, I got this for you baby:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHG2oizTlpY
I'd love to get the tasteful nude KD sketched of Pop!

[Ice009]

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What's the Players' tribune?

[dabom]

What's the Players' tribune?

And how long do i got to wait.

[Ron Swanson]

Now Broussard saying it could go either way. He has no idea.

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[SpursFan86]

What's the Players' tribune?

http://www.theplayerstribune.com/

Website where athletes post their own stories.

[Drom John]

The Players' Tribune (http://www.theplayerstribune.com/sports/basketball/)

[SpursFan86]

And how long do i got to wait.

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Hopefully we'll get the news before noon. Going out soon and don't want to be that guy who's glued to his phone and not talking because I'm trying to see where KD goes :lol

[Kuestmaster]

We're gonna regress defensively if we sign Pau, he's better in offense than Duncan at 40, but the Big Fun is still miles ahead of almost every center in the league in defense.

But there is no other option of quality available to be our starting C, so I'd go for it.

[SpursFan86]

We're gonna regress defensively if we sign Pau, he's better in offense than Duncan at 40, but the Big Fun is still miles ahead of almost every center in the league in defense.

But there is no other option of quality available to be our starting C, so I'd go for it.

I agree, but honestly if you look at last year, we could certainly use another reliable scoring option, even if it does mean some regression defensively.

[look_at_g_shred]

We're gonna regress defensively if we sign Pau, he's better in offense than Duncan at 40, but the Big Fun is still miles ahead of almost every center in the league in defense.

But there is no other option of quality available to be our starting C, so I'd go for it.
Defense wasn't the issue last season.

[Ron Swanson]

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[-21-]

I agree, but honestly if you look at last year, we could certainly use another reliable scoring option, even if it does mean some regression defensively.

Would prefer some perimeter scoring tbh, but I guess Gasol is better than nothing.

[Chinook]

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I don't really have an issue with how he's handling this. He seems to be taking his time with at the same time not looking like he's twiddling his thumbs.

[Ron Swanson]

I don't have a problem with it, either. We'll find out soon. I just think it's funny.

[Ice009]

Someone needs to bring to his attention that other tweet of his from 2010 to make sure he thinks long and hard about not going to the Warriors if he's seriously considering it.

[Obstructed_View]

FWIW, Chris Broussad says he thinks Durant will sign with the Warriors.

WIW is that Broussard would rather stay in a hotel in Oakland than one in Oklahoma City.

[r0drig0lac]

I don't have a problem with it, either. We'll find out soon. I just think it's funny.

hypocrisy

[siraulo23]

Spurs barely got mentioned during this durant FA, only thing reported was the spurs had a meeting with durant :lol

durant shoulda just ruled out the spurs earlier like he did for the clippers :lol

[SpursFan86]

I don't really have an issue with how he's handling this. He seems to be taking his time with at the same time not looking like he's twiddling his thumbs.

He had his last meetings yesterday. Anyone who thinks he's drawing this out is, to put it bluntly, a dumbass.

[Mal]

I don't really have an issue with how he's handling this. He seems to be taking his time with at the same time not looking like he's twiddling his thumbs.

He is doing his part in all of this. Media and fuckers like Broussard are spinning stories and making random calls on what is on Durant`s mind.

[offset formation]

WIW is that Broussard would rather stay in a hotel in Oakland than one in Oklahoma City.


Yep.

[AFBlue]

He is doing his part in all of this. Media and fuckers like Broussard are spinning stories and making random calls on what is on Durant`s mind.

24hr sports news cycle tbqh.

[RD2191]

Broussard is a fucking idiot who puts out the most obvious statements. Faggot has zero "sources". Can't believe that dumbass gets paid to do jack shit.

[south side spur]

http://news4sanantonio.com/sports/spurs-zone/spurs-reportedly-interested-in-free-agent-forward-lance-thomas

Spurs reportedly interested in free agent forward Lance ThomasBY JEFF GARCIA, SPURS ZONEMONDAY, JULY 4TH 2016


As everyone in the world awaits Kevin Durant's decision, more reports surface as to what other players the San Antonio Spurs may add to their roster heading into next season.
As the NY Post (http://nypost.com/2016/07/03/lance-thomas-wants-to-stay-with-possible-knicks-discount/) reports, the Spurs are interested in former Austin Toros forward Lance Thomas.

The Timberwolves, Spurs, Clippers, Thunder and Pelicans are interested, and Thomas has received at least two offers that would slightly top what the Knicks can do.Thomas played with the Spurs' D-League affiliate from 2010-11, and in 2012. In 65 games for Austin, he averaged 13.4 points, 6.2 rebounds and 1.3 assists per game. He has had stints with the Pelicans, Hornets and Thunder during his time in the NBA.
Last season with the Knicks, he averaged 8.2 points, 2.2 rebounds, and shot 44 percent from the field in 59 games.
Thomas is very defensive-minded which will fit in well in San Antonio and has developed a 3-point shot. However, the Brooklyn-born Thomas is looking to remain in New York due to the team's recent roster moves and reportedly willing to give them a hometown discount.


The source said the Brooklyn-born Thomas would lean toward doing a hometown discount for the Knicks and would return unless an offer comes in that bowls him over.
"One thing, it looked like he was starting to make that 3-pointer," Hornacek said. "That extends your abilities when you make that shot and when you're a defender. People don't just give you shots anymore. He saw that and was able to use his athletic ability to drive to the basket. He's a good player."What roster moves the Spurs make will largely depend on what Durant decides in the coming days. Adding a young, athletic, defensive-minded player like Thomas would help bolster the team's bench should he decide to return to Texas.

[SpursFan86]

Bogut has removed all Warriors-related stuff from his Twitter, and an OKC radio station host apparently tweeted that KD was headed to GS.

[Blizzardwizard]

It's the Celtics.

http://sports.yahoo.com/video/durants-decision-kd-join-horford-052018453.html?soc_src=default

[Mr. Body]

Gross.

[SpursFan86]

It's the Celtics.

http://sports.yahoo.com/video/durants-decision-kd-join-horford-052018453.html?soc_src=default

No, Yahoo made articles like that for every scenario probably. There's one floating around that talks about him staying in OKC too. They didn't mean for those to go public.

[siraulo23]

Bogut has removed all Warriors-related stuff from his Twitter, and an OKC radio station host apparently tweeted that KD was headed to GS.

Damn i think thats it

[Uriel]

Bogut has removed all Warriors-related stuff from his Twitter, and an OKC radio station host apparently tweeted that KD was headed to GS.
???????

[HarlemHeat37]

Damn, RIP NBA..let's get some injuries to Curry or Dominos:lol

[HarlemHeat37]

If only he was black? Right BIGOT!

I like European players, tbh..

[Blizzardwizard]

No, Yahoo made articles like that for every scenario probably. There's one floating around that talks about him staying in OKC too. They didn't mean for those to go public.

Oh, my bad, there's still hope :lol

[DPG21920]

GS makes a ton of sense and I think the fact GS camp has seemingly been awful quiet is a big sign. This has to be handled KD's way and KD out of respect doesn't probably want leaks and needs time to tell OKC his decision if he's moving.

I personally think it's GS and it makes a lot of basketball sense (although they will have to make some moves to make it happen).

[siraulo23]

Time to hate on durant

[HarlemHeat37]

If Dominos goes to Golden State, I would strongly consider Zaza over Gasol, tbh:lol

[DPG21920]

Also, :lol I like KD's symbolism of waiting until 7/4 so there can be fireworks

[Ice009]

If he goes to the Warriors, a team that won 73 games, that is much worse than LeBron going to the Heat. He's a bigger bitch if he goes to GSW. I will call him Mr. Beta from that point on.

[AFBlue]

KD to GSW = NBA Fucked

[siraulo23]

If he goes to the Warriors, a team that won 73 games, that is much worse than LeBron going to the Heat. He's a bigger bitch if he goes to GSW. I will call him Mr. Beta from that point on.

Pretty much but he wont care once he wins chips and and finals mvps

[SpursFan86]

GS definitely makes the most sense if you're looking at it from a pure basketball sense. Steph/Klay/Draymond/KD are all under 30 and in the prime of their careers. Steph and Klay, while the 2 biggest scorers, are also extremely dangerous off-the-ball and don't need to be ball-dominant to have an impact offensively. Draymond can do a little bit of everything, and again, doesn't need to have the ball in his hands to still have a positive impact on games.

I'm just hoping KD's competitiveness (or fear of bad public perception) prevents him from going to a team that already won 73 games and eliminated him in the postseason.

[random21]

Adam Blickstein ‏@AdamBlickstein (https://twitter.com/AdamBlickstein) 21m21 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/AdamBlickstein/status/749984249382567936)
.@mattyglesias (https://twitter.com/mattyglesias) Durant apparently just arrived at Logan Airport. Looks like it's Boston.
Some queer just posted this..Prob spam....

[Ditty]

Bogut has been known to troll a lot, and a lot of reports coming out is that Durant has been seen at the Logan International Airport. He supposedly had a last minute meeting with Boston last night.

[Ice009]

Bogut has been known to troll a lot, and a lot of reports coming out is that Durant has been seen at the Logan International Airport. He supposedly had a last minute meeting with Boston last night.

If he's still having second meeting with OKC and Boston, I doubt the Spurs are at the top of his list. That is OK with me if the Spurs aren't at the top of his list, as long as GSW aren't either.

[Mnky]

Durant making a basketball decision to win, and people complaining, like they would take a job they hate going to over a job that has better benefits both short and long reenlust to please the people who have always belittled him either way. :lol

There has NEVER been a dynasty without multiple all stars. Jordan had Rodman and pippen, shaq had Kobe and big shot rob. Duncan had manu and Parker. Lebron had wade and bosh. You don't win without great players. Magic and bird had greats.

His legacy doesn't change. Every superstar tries to recruit the best players. Always has. If he trades Westbrook for curry, it's a legitimate trade most would make. Draymond for ibaka? Most probably take that too. It's just envy and jealousy sparking hate.

Spurs would take a top 5 player in a heartbeat and embrace him, even after a historic season. I hope he wins multiple championships wherever he goes. And tells the fans they the real MVP for hating.

[siraulo23]

So warriors, celtics, thunder all had a 2nd pitch to durant, damn

[Ron Swanson]

It's the Warriors

http://www.theplayerstribune.com/kevin-durant-nba-free-agency-announcement/

[myhc]

HE'S GOING TO GSW. HAHAHAHAHHAHA. NBA=FUCKED

[NASpurs]

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[NASpurs]

:lmao oh well, fuck the Thunder. That's the end of that franchise.

[r0drig0lac]

OKC...FUUUUUUUUUUUU

[myhc]

You're a piece of shit Durant. Do we need to even have a season? Do they break their own 73 win season?

[spursparker9]

congrat to the world champion 2017. GSW

[Ice009]

Mr. fucking Beta. Mr Beta.

Get Westbrook on the phone and tell him to demand a trade to the Spurs.

[szkorhetz]

NBA=Fucked.
Just let Timmy and everyone retire, shut down LMA and Leo next year, send Pop to a whole year long vacation, be ready to tank.

[SpursFan86]

Damn, the NBA just got a lot less interesting.

[szkorhetz]

Mr. fucking Beta. Mr Beta.

Get Westbrook on the phone and tell him to demand a trade to the Spurs.
+1

[Mr. Body]

His legacy takes a big hit.

[Ron Swanson]

Rest of the Lakers fans are gonna jump ship now.

[Mr. Body]

He'll give Curry salt baths nightly.

[Blizzardwizard]

ThunderUp :lol

[RD2191]

Relax folks, we still have KawhiMVP. He won't let us down.

[K...]

LeBron/curry another three years, gross.

[NASpurs]

Barnes getting that max from Dallas.

:lol Mavs

[AFBlue]

Where's the deal with Pau? Need some good news.

[szkorhetz]

Who they need to trade? Reanounce Barnes and? Bogut? AI?

[Ice009]

Barnes getting that max from Dallas.

:lol Mavs

Is there any reason that the Mavs can't low ball him now?

[raybies]

I'm not skared of golden state. We beat the heatles. We can beat these guys too.

[Hoops Czar]

The NBA and their agendas pushed for this to happen when they rigged a Cavs comeback. And people think the nba isn't fixed. :lol Same thing happened when they pushed Lebron o Miami then, brought him back to look like a hero 4 years later. These things just don't mysteriously happen.

[AFBlue]

His legacy takes a big hit.

I'm sure he'll use the "legacy hit" thing as motivation on his way to multiple title runs.

[myhc]

LeBron/curry another three years, gross.

I'm feeling sick to my stomach at the thought of that.

[DPG21920]

Incredible decision and I am excited to see what GS has to do to make this work and how they fill out their squad.

Likely: Bogut/Iggy traded. Festus re-signed (along with Livingston being kept). Barnes gone. Barbosa/Speights/Thompson and a few others gone.

Wonder how much cap space GS will have after making their moves to sign other players?

But without a bench, GS is still going to be incredible but at least now SA will have a year to see how they play and what moves to make next season to contend.

[SpursFan86]

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Did he take a paycut as well...? :lol

[szkorhetz]

So next year the Clipps-Spurs will decide who will be swept by the GSW. I love it.

[Leetonidas]

Durant and Curry season ending injuries incoming

[RD2191]

I told you all since day one this dude is a beta faggot. Fuck that, I'll ride and die with my old mutha fukin big 3 and our younger big 3.

[NASpurs]

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[Mnky]

Spurs in 6.

[AFBlue]

Worst part about this...Broussard gets to look smart.

[Obstructed_View]

:lmao oh well, fuck the Thunder. That's the end of that franchise.

Good. They stole it from Seattle anyway. Now both cities are unhappy.

[spursreport]

I'm sure he'll use the "legacy hit" thing as motivation on his way to multiple title runs.

:lmao Backtracking now and saying they will win 3-5 rings.

[NASpurs]

Durant and Curry season ending injuries incoming

Pretty much, you know it's going to happen.

[DPG21920]

GS makes a ton of sense and I think the fact GS camp has seemingly been awful quiet is a big sign. This has to be handled KD's way and KD out of respect doesn't probably want leaks and needs time to tell OKC his decision if he's moving.

I personally think it's GS and it makes a lot of basketball sense (although they will have to make some moves to make it happen).

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[Obstructed_View]

Who they need to trade? Reanounce Barnes and? Bogut? AI?

Ezili

[szkorhetz]

Spurs in 6.
Make him blue!

[AFBlue]

Can't hate on the decision. He said he was going to make a "basketball decision" and this is exactly that.

[DPG21920]

Ezili

They likely keep Festus. His cap hold is only 5M or so. Trade Iggy/Bogut - let go of Barnes/Thompson/Barbosa/Speights/McAdoo

[AFBlue]

:lmao Backtracking now and saying they will win 3-5 rings.

I said "title run", as in a "run toward the title"...not actual titles.

[szkorhetz]

They likely keep Festus. His cap hold is only 5M or so. Trade Iggy/Bogut - let go of Barnes/Thompson/Barbosa/Speights/McAdoo
They won't let Thompson go.
Barnes, Bogut, AI should be enough.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Can't hate on the decision. He said he was going to make a "basketball decision" and this is exactly that.

Im hating on it. Spineless move

[Hoops Czar]

They likely keep Festus. His cap hold is only 5M or so. Trade Iggy/Bogut - let go of Barnes/Thompson/Barbosa/Speights/McAdoo

Iggy was at the meeting recruiting KD. They aren't going to turnaround and trade him.

[Obstructed_View]

Iguodala helped recruit KD. They aren't going to renounce him after that.

[K...]

Can't hate on the decision. He said he was going to make a "basketball decision" and this is exactly that.

A better basketball choice would be playing the team leader for Boston a historical basketball legacy


He literally signed up to be role player with the best team of the moment

[NASpurs]

#SaveCapSpaceForWestbrook2017

You know he's outta there.

[AFBlue]

Im hating on it. Spineless move

Or courageous move. He is sacrificing touches and hits to his legacy as NBA elite for a chance to win. Had he joined the Spurs for the same reason, I doubt you'd be calling him spineless.

[Nathan89]

The league is truly fucked. It's never been more fucked than at this very moment. Durant is the biggest bitch the league has ever seen.

[AFBlue]

#SaveCapSpaceForWestbrook2017

You know he's outta there.

:lol

Westbrook is a lock for LA in 2017

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

#Tankforsomecollegenigga

[NASpurs]

:lol

Westbrook is a lock for LA in 2017

No he's not. No one wants to go there anymore. Durant supposedly is from DC and he didn't even sniff that place.

Who the hell would join that mess in LA. :lol

[Kurik]

They likely keep Festus. His cap hold is only 5M or so. Trade Iggy/Bogut - let go of Barnes/Thompson/Barbosa/Speights/McAdoo

No way they get rid of Thompson.

[AFBlue]

A better basketball choice would be playing the team leader for Boston a historical basketball legacy


He literally signed up to be role player with the best team of the moment

Boston isn't his best chance to win. The Warriors are. The guy prioritized winning above all things, including money, and all he gets is hatred. Ridiculous.

[Ron Swanson]

Let's get on with this shit.

[offset formation]

Where's that bragadocious mothersucking poster for OKC when you need him?

He sure had some big balls after they beat the Spurs. Where is he now?

Spineless bitch.

[RD2191]

But look at the bright side CROFL AT OKLAHOMA. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[szkorhetz]

Dirk is likely going to GSW now, too.

[RD2191]

Spura will beat GS in the WCF. You heard it here first. Permaban if it doesn't happen.

[NASpurs]

But look at the bright side CROFL AT OKLAHOMA. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The Spurs are the second best team by default now!

[loveforthegame]

Now the Spurs can stop twiddling their thumbs and start signing some d-league talent.

[szkorhetz]

Spura will beat GS in the WCF. You heard it here first. Permaban if it doesn't happen.
Ok, bye.

[AFBlue]

But look at the bright side CROFL AT OKLAHOMA. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

:lmao

Westbrook is gonna be MVP tho. He's going to average 40/12/8.

[szkorhetz]

Now the Spurs can stop twiddling their thumbs and start signing some d-league talent.

:pop:

[HankChinaski]

Signing with the Warriors makes sense. I just still didn't think he would go to them. I thought he was going to sign back to the Thunder or with the Spurs a slim favorable chance at signing. Regardless I want to see how the rest of the NBA reacts with free agency now

[Duncan2177]

Dirk is likely going to GSW now, too.

With what cap space? :lol

[szkorhetz]

With what cap space? :lol
Dirk made more than Duncan. He doesn't care about the money.

[AFBlue]

Where's the Pau news?!?!??

[RD2191]

Told you all KD is a beta faggot. Biggest pussy move in NBA history imo.

[look_at_g_shred]

Now the Spurs can stop twiddling their thumbs and start signing some d-league talent.
:lmao

[loveforthegame]

Where's the Pau news?!?!??

Spurs probably taking the day off to celebrate the 4th. Maybe we'll hear something tomorrow.

[NASpurs]

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No one do it!! It's a trap!

[szkorhetz]

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No one do it!! It's a trap!
How sweet that would be. :D
DeAndre Jordan 2.0 :D

[Nathan89]

Dirk is likely going to GSW now, too.

Dirk isn't going to that loaded team. I refuse to believe he would do that. Dirk isn't a front-running bitch like Durant.

[look_at_g_shred]

Spurs probably taking the day off to celebrate the 4th. Maybe we'll hear something tomorrow.
:lmao

[Obstructed_View]

Told you all KD is a beta faggot. Biggest pussy move in NBA history imo.

But you'd be talking about how great he was if he signed with the Spurs, right?

[Nathan89]

A slow fuck like Bogut is unplayable with a league that has GSW in it.

[HankChinaski]

Don't understand all the hate. Golden State gambled and maneuvered themselves with picking h up players the last few years and created the cap space to go after someone like Durant.

Durant didn't go cheap, 2 years 50+ mil contract. He made a terrific decision for himself financially and as well competitively to win overall with going to Golden State.

[DPG21920]

Iguodala helped recruit KD. They aren't going to renounce him after that.

If they let go of Bogut (trade), Festus (renounce) & Barnes (renounce) - GS has:

Curry/Klay/KD/Green/?

Livingston/Iggy/Looney/Jason Thompson/Damion Jones

That has them at almost 93M and then only min contracts and the room exception (or trades obviously) to fill out/improve.

[Nathan89]

Spurs can't even begin to counter until next year. It's basically Westbrook/CP3 or bust.

[Mr. Body]

Losing Bogut actually hurts a bit. This team is all long range, all the time now too.

[palangi]

What happens whe steph wants his raise

[AFBlue]

ESPN is going to be even more unbearable with its fellating of the Warriors now. Ugh.

[LakerHater]

So NBA will hav Warriors/Thunder on Christmas

[LakerHater]

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[AFBlue]

But you'd be talking about how great he was if he signed with the Spurs, right?

This. The "beta" shit reeks with bias. Different story if he was our beta no doubt.

[loveforthegame]

mavs on the phone with Ezeli right now.

[palangi]

The Warriors are still a team that can get bullied physically.

[Obstructed_View]

If they let go of Bogut (trade), Festus (renounce) & Barnes (renounce) - GS has:

Curry/Klay/KD/Green/?

Livingston/Iggy/Looney/Jason Thompson/Damion Jones

That has them at almost 93M and then only min contracts and the room exception (or trades obviously) to fill out/improve.

Plus, if they do that they have no centers at all. 82 games of smallball is going to beat them up.

[cjw]

Losing Bogut actually hurts a bit. This team is all long range, all the time now too.

Ezeli probably too. They'll have zero size. But plenty of everything else - and Durant is a great defender. With Ezeli, not sure they need to renounce him but someone sure as hell better blow him up with a big offer sheet. Can we call up our friends in BK or PHL to help?

On bright side, Spurs are clear #2 in west now with OKC heading back to Seattle soon.

[RD2191]

But you'd be talking about how great he was if he signed with the Spurs, right?

Lol. No. He's a soft ass pussy just like LMA.

[Obstructed_View]

What happens whe steph wants his raise

They can go into the luxury tax to max him out.

[SpursFan86]

Going to be a joy guarding a Steph/Klay/Iggy/Durant/Draymond lineup :pctoss