Official 2016 Spurs Offseason Thread

[Mnky]

Agreed + There are trolls that just want to give out players for peanuts bc they don't like them without understanding the impact that player has in our team's wins.

I am paying attention to Minnesota. Thibodeau reportedly wanted Jimmy Butler, but Chicago went the other way.

Minny desperately needs 3pts shooting and perimeter defense and Thibodeau is a defensive coach. I think Danny is in play for the 5th pick. It really depends on whether Minny can get anyone better.

If spurs go there it's for dunn you got to believe, which would mean shipping tp too. I don't think green is worth a top 15 pick alone unless it's salary related. Utah wanted to get rid of their pick, people are forgetting this part with the hill deal.

[Chinook]

Would consider KJ later on so long as he mother shuts the hell up.

[palangi]

Agreed + There are trolls that just want to give out players for peanuts bc they don't like them without understanding the impact that player has in our team's wins.

I am paying attention to Minnesota. Thibodeau reportedly wanted Jimmy Butler, but Chicago went the other way.

Minny desperately needs 3pts shooting and perimeter defense and Thibodeau is a defensive coach. I think Danny is in play for the 5th pick. It really depends on whether Minny can get anyone better.
thats a real interesting thought. minny does make sense.

[montgod]

Would consider KJ later on so long as he mother shuts the hell up.

LOL... .yeah I like KJ as a nice prospect as well.

[palangi]

If spurs go there it's for dunn you got to believe, which would mean shipping tp too. I don't think green is worth a top 15 pick alone unless it's salary related. Utah wanted to get rid of their pick, people are forgetting this part with the hill deal.
i wonder if a european stud wing defender would sweeten it enough for the defensive minded thibs? Hanga?

[SAGirl]

If spurs go there it's for dunn you got to believe, which would mean shipping tp too. I don't think green is worth a top 15 pick alone unless it's salary related. Utah wanted to get rid of their pick, people are forgetting this part with the hill deal.
Danny is worth it to the right coach and the right situation. He's been remarkably healthy, a stud even, durable, record 3 pts shooter, a tremendous defender. TBH when I consider it I am almost reluctant to give him up myself. Minny from example needs defenders. Their best lineups were with Lavine starting I believe, next to Wiggins bc he can shoot, but he's a terrible defender. And they need veterans to change those kids mentality and provide some leadership on defense. It's possible Minny will not find a better defensive wing than Danny. They allegeddly wanted Jimmy Butler. Coach Thibs is going to have to coach Wiggins, but Danny would be a great mentor for Wiggins (and Lavine).

[Kawhitstorm]

They value shedding the "dead" salary to create room to use that salary to sign a better player(s).

There's no reason for PHX to hold on to 33 yr old under-performing Tyson Chandler. They'd be able to utilize that 39 million in better ways that correlate with their current situation.

A team that could take Chandler are the Hawks if they want to remain a pretender after they lose Horford. They can make the deal happen by swapping him for Tiago's expiring.

[Mnky]

i wonder if a european stud wing defender would sweeten it enough for the defensive minded thibs? Hanga?

I can see him liking hanga but hanga can't shoot. And that's their biggest issue right now.. they took the same amount of threes all season golden state took in a game.. :lol (joking of course)

[Mnky]

Danny is worth it to the right coach and the right situation. He's been remarkably healthy, a stud even, durable, record 3 pts shooter, a tremendous defender. TBH when I consider it I am almost reluctant to give him up myself. Minny from example needs defenders. Their best lineups were with Lavine starting I believe, next to Wiggins bc he can shoot, but he's a terrible defender. And they need veterans to change those kids mentality and provide some leadership on defense. It's possible Minny will not find a better defensive wing than Danny. They allegeddly wanted Jimmy Butler. Coach Thibs is going to have to coach Wiggins, but Danny would be a great mentor for Wiggins (and Lavine).

Danny is a great fit for the spurs. He is arguably the best wing defender in the game, and has a great stroke, but it isn't made by him, its made by open looks from all the attention being elsewhere. He has value, no doubt, but he isn't a lottery player. That's crazy. Like I said if the situation is right with the cap or position need, the team could find him more valuable than what's available, but that's not the same as being a lottery pick value. I'd trade him for a chance at Beasley though. Same player, much more upside.

[spursistan]

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[bklynspursfan]

Serge Ibaka is on the trading block-a

[SAGirl]

Danny is a great fit for the spurs. He is arguably the best wing defender in the game, and has a great stroke, but it isn't made by him, its made by open looks from all the attention being elsewhere. He has value, no doubt, but he isn't a lottery player. That's crazy. Like I said if the situation is right with the cap or position need, the team could find him more valuable than what's available, but that's not the same as being a lottery pick value. I'd trade him for a chance at Beasley though. Same player, much more upside.
Like I said, its worth it to the right team and the right situation. Teams like Minny already have a lot of young players and they really need to start adding quality veterans to improve. Further lottery talent is not going to raise them from the bottom. They have their centerpiece and a lot of talent to surround that guy already. I am not sure if this is the play, but Thibs is looking for perimeter defense for his group and Danny is the best there is that could be had in a trade. I don't know of any other premier perimeter defenders that are possible to get right now. They also need a quality PF, and that can sway them away from Danny and to look elsewhere. I am not saying Danny is the best they could get for their pick, but its possible. Proven talent can be worth a lottery pick, even role players, if they are elite at valuable skills, which Danny is.

[SAGirl]

746025458798632960
:lol Teams playing hardball with Philly.

[szkorhetz]

Serge Ibaka is on the trading block-a
The problem is we can't really give antyhing to OKC, but Ibaka would be an amazing fit.

[bklynspursfan]

The problem is we can't really give antyhing to OKC, but Ibaka would be an amazing fit.

Yea, i wasn't even thinking in terms of us, just posting here. I doubt they'd work with us to try and help us.

Though Ibaka really hasn't improved much over the last 3-4 years. Pretty much the same player. If he's not hitting mid-range shots, he's not helping offensively, and he's a shot blocker on the other end.

[Mnky]

Weird dbl post

[szkorhetz]

Chicago Bulls are intrigued with trading Jimmy Butler for the LA Lakers #2 overall pick, reports Gery Woelfel.

Here we go!

[montgod]

Chicago Bulls are intrigued with trading Jimmy Butler for the LA Lakers #2 overall pick, reports Gery Woelfel.

Here we go!

Full rebuild mode in effect then:.

JGrant
Portis
Mirotic
McDermott
Lopez
#2 Draft pick (Ingram or Dunn)

Gasol and Taj probably will decline option and traded, respectively is my guess.

[HarlemHeat37]

Full rebuild mode in effect then:.

JGrant
Portis
Mirotic
McDermott
Lopez
#2 Draft pick (Ingram or Dunn)

Gasol and Taj probably will decline option and traded, respectively is my guess.

That's a horrible looking future, outside of the #2 pick:lol

[Mr. Body]

Chicago Bulls are intrigued with trading Jimmy Butler for the LA Lakers #2 overall pick, reports Gery Woelfel.

Here we go!

Guaranteeing Laker irrelevance for years to come. Cool.

[szkorhetz]

That's a horrible looking future, outside of the #2 pick:lol
Dont forget the huge capspace they'll likely have.

[HarlemHeat37]

Dont forget the huge capspace they'll likely have.

I agree that blowing it up is the correct move(been saying they should do it for the past 2 years), but they really need to find some good prospects:lol..

[szkorhetz]

I agree that blowing it up is the correct move(been saying they should do it for the past 2 years), but they really need to find some good prospects:lol..
I could actually see them being interested in Kyle, TBH.

[spursistan]

746063722632908800

:tu

[ace3g]

Paul Garcia PS pAulGarciaPS
(https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaPS) RC Buford says due to how contracts will be signed, he's not sure yet if Murray will play on the Spurs' Summer League teams.

[TheGoldStandard]

Paul Garcia PS (https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaPS)pAu (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=44691)lGarciaPS
RC Buford says due to how contracts will be signed, he's not sure yet if Murray will play on the Spurs' Summer League teams.




Ugh... fuck that.. this dude needs playing time

[palangi]

Paul Garcia PS (https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaPS)pAu (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=44691)lGarciaPS
RC Buford says due to how contracts will be signed, he's not sure yet if Murray will play on the Spurs' Summer League teams.




Well thats some shit!

[loveforthegame]

Of course. Come on he has to play SL.

[Ditty]

I really doubt that unless Durant takes forever to decide...or he's been told by Durant's camp he will take a couple of days to make a decision after visiting with teams.

[Mnky]

Paul Garcia PS pAulGarciaPS
(https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaPS) RC Buford says due to how contracts will be signed, he's not sure yet if Murray will play on the Spurs' Summer League teams.




This just means they have big plans for chasing big names. Need all the money free they can get.

[MaNu4Tres]

This just means they have big plans for chasing big names. Need all the money free they can get.

Also means, Diaw likely not being guaranteed and Spurs utilizing stretch provision on his 3 million. That's if they can't find a trade partner by the 29th.

[ace3g]

Paul Garcia PS pAulGarciaPS
(https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaPS) Buford: "We were searching for talent that we can develop, build and grow in this culture and youth for our group is going to be important."

[Kawhitstorm]

Patty+Kyle for Patrick Beverley, the Rockets just signed GP II so Beverley is as good as gone at this point. Patty fits D'Antoni's system & D'Antoni might be able to unlock Kyle like '05-'06 Diaw.:lol

[Kawhitstorm]

Paul Garcia PS (https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaPS)pAu (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=44691)lGarciaPS
Buford: "We were searching for talent that we can develop, build and grow in this culture and youth for our group is going to be important."


Biyombo::wow

[Nathan89]

Patty+Kyle for Patrick Beverley, the Rockets just signed GP II so Beverley is as good as gone at this point. Patty fits D'Antoni's system & D'Antoni might be able to unlock Kyle like '05-'06 Diaw.:lol

I'd kill for a pg of Beverley's caliber at this point.

[Ditty]

Murray and Jamal Crawford are pretty close from what it seem. I'm not a big fan of Crawford, and doesn't really fit our system (Neither did Kevin Martin), but I wonder if the Spurs try to bring him in as that scorer/shooter off the bench we might need and of course be a mentor for Murray. Crawford had some good words about the Spurs when they drafted him.

[Kawhitstorm]

Murray and Jamal Crawford are pretty close from what it seem. I'm not a big fan of Crawford, and doesn't really fit our system (Neither did Kevin Martin), but I wonder if the Spurs try to bring him in as that scorer/shooter off the bench we might need and of course be a mentor for Murray. Crawford had some good words about the Spurs when they drafted him.

Murray isn't as much of a chucker as Crawford & actually plays defense.:lol

[SAGirl]

Paul Garcia PS (https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaPS)pAu (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=44691)lGarciaPS
RC Buford says due to how contracts will be signed, he's not sure yet if Murray will play on the Spurs' Summer League teams.



^^ This would be disappointing, but I am guessing it signals of FA additions needing to be signed first maybe.

[SAGirl]

Patty+Kyle for Patrick Beverley, the Rockets just signed GP II so Beverley is as good as gone at this point. Patty fits D'Antoni's system & D'Antoni might be able to unlock Kyle like '05-'06 Diaw.:lol
Frankly in that kind of system Kyle would be awesome. Think how he played at UCLA.
But I doubt either guy is traded.

[dabom]

Bev is washed up and Patty is better than him.

[SAGirl]

Murray and Jamal Crawford are pretty close from what it seem. I'm not a big fan of Crawford, and doesn't really fit our system (Neither did Kevin Martin), but I wonder if the Spurs try to bring him in as that scorer/shooter off the bench we might need and of course be a mentor for Murray. Crawford had some good words about the Spurs when they drafted him.
Good thing about Dejonte is that he's so young he's still in the formative stages of his game..ppl thinking he's going to dethrone Tony in his first season are off the mark though. He has a lot of work to do b4 becoming a rotation player.

[popdagreat]

Darren Wolfson: Villanova national champ PG Ryan Arcidiacono is heading to the #Spurs on a partially guaranteed deal, (http://hoopshype.com/social/) per source. Good spot for him.
53 mins ago (http://hoopshype.com/rumor/1061485/) – via Twitter DWolfsonKSTP (http://twitter.com/DWolfsonKSTP)

whos this guy?

[Snaq O'Meal]

Darren Wolfson: Villanova national champ PG Ryan Arcidiacono is heading to the #Spurs on a partially guaranteed deal, (http://hoopshype.com/social/) per source. Good spot for him.
53 mins ago (http://hoopshype.com/rumor/1061485/) – via Twitter DWolfsonKSTP (http://twitter.com/DWolfsonKSTP)

whos this guy?

Another short guy for GSW to exploit.

[cutewizard]

THE SPURS YOUTH RESURGENCE:

Kyle Anderson.............................. === The DYING MAN'S MAGIC JOHNSON

Jonathon Simmons....................... ==== The EXTREMELY DESTITUTE MAN'S MICHAEL JORDAN

Davis Bertans..............................==== The DELUSIONAL MAN'S LARRY BIRD

Dejounte Murray...........................==== The PARANOID MAN'S OSCAR ROBERTSON

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Hahahahaha, just having fun guys...........

[Chinook]

This just means they have big plans for chasing big names. Need all the money free they can get.


^^ This would be disappointing, but I am guessing it signals of FA additions needing to be signed first maybe.


I think it means they are going to try to get Murry to sign a deal that has the first-year salary at less than 100 percent of the rookie scale (if they were cool paying him at least that much, they'd either sign him soon or at least tell him they've agreed to sign him). They haven't done this since Hill's contract, I'm pretty sure, though they might have also done something with James Anderson's deal. It certainly does imply that the team will pursue a free agent this summer. I think they'll get it sorted out by the time the Utah league happens, because honestly it's not worth it for them to piss Murray off over a couple hundred thousand. Plus, I assume Durant and Conley will know what they're doing by that point.

[BillMc]

I think it means they are going to try to get Murry to sign a deal that has the first-year salary at less than 100 percent of the rookie scale (if they were cool paying him at least that much, they'd either sign him soon or at least tell him they've agreed to sign him). They haven't done this since Hill's contract, I'm pretty sure, though they might have also done something with James Anderson's deal. It certainly does imply that the team will pursue a free agent this summer. I think they'll get it sorted out by the time the Utah league happens, because honestly it's not worth it for them to piss Murray off over a couple hundred thousand. Plus, I assume Durant and Conley will know what they're doing by that point.

I'm totally ignorant on such things, but how can they sidestep the rookie scale and pay him less? Isn't that what a rookie scale is for? Is there some loophole that allows them to do this?

[Chinook]

I'm totally ignorant on such things, but how can they sidestep the rookie scale and pay him less? Isn't that what a rookie scale is for? Is there some loophole that allows them to do this?

You can sign players for as low as 80 percent of the scale and as high as 120 percent. Most players get 120 percent. The Spurs are often the exceptions, as they were will Hill.

[BillMc]

You can sign players for as low as 80 percent of the scale and as high as 120 percent. Most players get 120 percent. The Spurs are often the exceptions, as they were will Hill.

Cheers. Thanks for the clarification.

[Chinook]

Cheers. Thanks for the clarification.

Indeed. Again, this would be a REALLY piss-poor move by the Spurs. Especially with the new cap, doing this will stick out like a sore thumb.

Here's what Mark Deeks had to say about this practice way back in the day:

http://www.shamsports.com/2012/08/marquis-teague-is-still-unsigned-and.html#more


As most people are aware of in these days of increased cap transparency, first contracts for first round draft picks are (for their first three years after being drafted, at least) bound by the amounts set forth in the rookie salary scale. This is true no matter what your salary cap situation is. The 29th pick in the 2012 NBA draft has a rookie scale amount of $857,000 in the first year - the only scope for negotiation that teams, players and agents have is being able to sign for as much as 120% or as little as 80% of that.

In practice, almost everybody gets the 120%, even when drafted late. The exceptions to this are very few and far between. But there have been some. In the doing I've been doing this, there's been all of seven. Sergio Rodriguez signed for only 100% in 2006, while the next year, Ian Mahinmi got only 80% in year one, rising to 100% in later years. Donte Greene got only 100% in 2008, whilst the man drafted two picks above him, George Hill, got 120% in his first two years then only 80% in the last two (an amount which was so small that it was actually smaller than the minimum salary, and thus had to be adjusted upwards to meet that). In 2010, James Anderson got a contract that paid up to of 120% of the scale in the first year upon meeting incentives, but only 115% in the second year, and would have only paid 117% in the third year had he gotten that far (yet that option year was never exercised). Yaroslav Korolev received 100% in his rookie year and 97% in his second (so designed so as to make the two years match each other), the Clippers managing to at least save some money on their wildly ambitious and eventually unsuccessful pick. And last year, MarShon Brooks signed for only 115% in the first year, then 120% thereafter, a move that saved his team $46,255. [NB: For more ardent followers, Cory Joseph met his incentives and got 120%.]


It will be apparent that three of those six instances have been done by one team - the San Antonio Spurs. Anderson, Mahinmi and Hill was were all Spurs picks, and all exceptions to the 120% convention - the other common thread between them is that they were all drafted late in the first. Of those six, the highest selected was Anderson and #20; the other five was all the 25th pick or below. The Spurs have done it thrice. And they've done it bloody quietly.

[BillMc]

Indeed. Again, this would be a REALLY piss-poor move by the Spurs. Especially with the new cap, doing this will stick out like a sore thumb.

Here's what Mark Deeks had to say about this practice way back in the day:

http://www.shamsports.com/2012/08/marquis-teague-is-still-unsigned-and.html#more

Sounds like a good chance (based on precedence) that they'll do it again. Spurs have all the leverage. Did Kawhi get the full 120% on his rookie contract?

[Chinook]

Sounds like a good chance (based on precedence) that they'll do it again. Spurs have all the leverage. Did Kawhi get the full 120% on his rookie contract?

Yes, as did Joseph and Anderson.

[Mnky]

Yes, as did Joseph and Anderson.

Theoretically, it doesnt hurt as much in texas though does it? With the tax exemptions

[Chinook]

Theoretically, it doesnt hurt as much in texas though does it? With the tax exemptions

The SW Division teams other than NO have a pretty easy time, because about 60 percent of their games aren't subject to state income tax. But if they're going to pay him only 66 percent of what he could get, that doesn't make up for it much at all.

[TheMulletMan3000]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/746334494194606080

[TheMulletMan3000]

Here comes LJC

[Mr. Body]

Here comes LJC

The new Jeff Ayres!

[jyra]

Great news, Summer League is going to be amazing to watch. I guess that means that Hanga is not coming over.

[NASpurs]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/746334494194606080

The Chinook hype train has left the station

[TheMulletMan3000]

The new Jeff Ayres!

Just hoping he can play some good D

[NASpurs]

"Tony Parker just gave the name of one of them. This is indeed his player Livio Jean-Charles . For the moment we do not know exactly what the terms of the contract but it is going to cross the Atlantic to join the Texans (Spurs)."

What does that mean, "just gave the name of one of them"? There's others?

[TheMulletMan3000]

"Tony Parker just gave the name of one of them. This is indeed his player Livio Jean-Charles . For the moment we do not know exactly what the terms of the contract but it is going to cross the Atlantic to join the Texans (Spurs)."

What does that mean, "just gave the name of one of them"? There's others?

Bertans?

[jyra]

The original French article is just referencing RCs quote from a while ago, nothing new:

“I would guess at least one of those guys (will join the Spurs),” Buford said. “Maybe more.”

[NASpurs]

Bertans?

Yeah that's true but I thought it was known that Bertans was coming before the LJC news. I guess I took it as other players than Bertans. But yeah, seeing as nothing is official yet, they probably meant Bertans.

[SpursFan86]

"Tony Parker just gave the name of one of them. This is indeed his player Livio Jean-Charles . For the moment we do not know exactly what the terms of the contract but it is going to cross the Atlantic to join the Texans (Spurs)."

What does that mean, "just gave the name of one of them"? There's others?

Could've been referring to the possibility of Bertans or Milutinov coming over? I don't know, would need to see the context of his quote.

Anyways, wonder if this is just a partially-guaranteed training camp deal or if they're actually intending to bring him over for the season.

[TheDoctor]

The new Jeff Ayres!

LJC is a good clapper too?

[Spurs9]

I'm glad we are getting younger and more athletic.
Bertans
LJC
Murray
Simmons
Khawi



I wonder what kind of contract biyombo would command.

[TheGoldStandard]

I'm glad we are getting younger and more athletic.
Bertans
LJC
Murray
Simmons
Khawi



I wonder what kind of contract biyombo would command.

17/18

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

"Tony Parker just gave the name of one of them. This is indeed his player Livio Jean-Charles . For the moment we do not know exactly what the terms of the contract but it is going to cross the Atlantic to join the Texans (Spurs)."

What does that mean, "just gave the name of one of them"? There's others?

He's referring to an RC interview with mySA a couple days ago where he said the team will bring over at least one foreign prospect.

[Spurs9]

http://i.imgur.com/yTLClJC.jpg

[Chinook]

So this is what we have so far:

Parker, Mills, Murray
Green, Simmons
Leonard, Anderson, Bertans
Aldridge, LJC

And five slots left. I'd like to see three more bigs (or less if Duncan and/or Boban come back or if Boris is kept), another wing if Manu doesn't come back and another PG.

Assuming no one signs for the room exception (though Bertans is actually a very good candidate for that), the team should have about $20 Million in cap space along with the room exception. That will probably be enough to get one starter and two bench players or two borderline starts and one bench player.

It's not going to be easy, especially with Boban hogging $5 Million or so until the team figures out what to do with him, but it is doable.

[NASpurs]

So this is what we have so far:

Parker, Mills, Murray
Green, Simmons
Leonard, Anderson, Bertans
Aldridge, LJC

And five slots left. I'd like to see three more bigs (or less if Duncan and/or Boban come back or if Boris is kept), another wing if Manu doesn't come back and another PG.

Assuming no one signs for the room exception (though Bertans is actually a very good candidate for that), the team should have about $20 Million in cap space along with the room exception. That will probably be enough to get one starter and two bench players or two borderline starts and one bench player.

It's not going to be easy, especially with Boban hogging $5 Million or so until the team figures out what to do with him, but it is doable.

Hopefully Bobo and Mills are gone , Spurs need to move on.

[Chinook]

Hopefully Bobo and Mills are gone , Spurs need to move on.

Well, I was assuming Bobo would go-go. But I don't think Mills will unless the team gets Durant. Speaking of which, if that's going to be a thing, then LJC already getting his deal means the Spurs not giving Murry the 120 percent of the rookie deal would be even more bitch-made.

[CGD]

Does Murray makes Connolly a less likely target this summer?

[Mr. Body]

Does Murray makes Connolly a less likely target this summer?

No difference.

[BillMc]

So the Bobo contract decision is the next thing up on the calendar?

[Spurs9]

I guess its good we didn't give up any players for picks, we can use them for offseason trades.

[Chinook]

So the Bobo contract decision is the next thing up on the calendar?

Technically, it's Tim's option.

[BillMc]

Technically, it's Tim's option.
:toast Thanks

[Kawhitstorm]

Assuming no one signs for the room exception (though Bertans is actually a very good candidate for that), the team should have about $20 Million in cap space along with the room exception. That will probably be enough to get one starter and two bench players or two borderline starts and one bench player.

Borderline starters on a contender are the likes of Lin/Courtney Lee who are going to get 12-15 mill each so the two "borderline starters" is out of the question unless Tim retires & Pau decided to sign for cheap.

If Manu retires & Patty doesn't get traded then a playmaker w/ size like Vasquez would be ideal. This has been beaten like a dead horse but Cole Aldrich is the best backup center that can be had for a reasonable price considering Ezeli is going to get in the 12-15 mill range. He can play behind either Tim or Pau.

[sasaint]

Borderline starters on a contender are the likes of Lin/Courtney Lee who are going to get 12-15 mill each so the two "borderline starters" is out of the question unless Tim retires & Pau decided to sign for cheap.

If Manu retires & Patty doesn't get traded then a playmaker w/ size like Vasquez would be ideal. This has been beaten like a dead horse but Cole Aldrich is the best backup center that can be had for a reasonable price considering Ezeli is going to get in the 12-15 mill range. He can play behind either Tim or Pau.

IMHO, Aldrich could end up being a big part of our off-season. Plus, with what Phoenix did in the draft, I think your guy, Leuer is definitely not returning to the Suns.

[SAGirl]

I think it means they are going to try to get Murry to sign a deal that has the first-year salary at less than 100 percent of the rookie scale (if they were cool paying him at least that much, they'd either sign him soon or at least tell him they've agreed to sign him). They haven't done this since Hill's contract, I'm pretty sure, though they might have also done something with James Anderson's deal. It certainly does imply that the team will pursue a free agent this summer. I think they'll get it sorted out by the time the Utah league happens, because honestly it's not worth it for them to piss Murray off over a couple hundred thousand. Plus, I assume Durant and Conley will know what they're doing by that point.
I saw somewhere that he's a client of Rich Paul, thus all the images or videos of him with Lebron, and practicing shooting with Ben Simmons. It's my understanding that guy is a pain in the rear. I doubt the penny pinch him on peanuts, but unlike you I don't know much about these things at all. Got to be timing. I hope they get their timing right. I really look forward to seeing Dejonte.

[SAGirl]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/746334494194606080


Here comes LJC
Wow Chinook had this right all along.
LJC had the leverage to force this contract and I would not be surprised if it was sort of agreed to before hand as he really could have come last season too but graciously agreed to be stashed again.

[Chinook]

I saw somewhere that he's a client of Rich Paul, thus all the images or videos of him with Lebron, and practicing shooting with Ben Simmons. It's my understanding that guy is a pain in the rear. I doubt the penny pinch him on peanuts

Indeed, as Deeks also points out:

http://www.shamsports.com/2014/09/how-agents-make-money-out-of-rookie.html


Remember that agents do not get 4% of rookie scale contracts. Instead, they can get only 4% of the amount above the 80%. Therefore, if a payer gets 120%, the agent gets 4% of that 40%, and if the player gets 80%, the agent gets zero. To put that into some actual numbers, the #15 pick in this past draft had a scale amount of $1,546,100 for the 2014/15 season. 80% of that amount is $1,236,880, and 120% of it is $1,855,320. The difference between the two is $618,440, 4% of which is $24,738. This is a decent one year pay day for negotiating a contract normally so automatic that 95% of eligible players get it.

You can see, then, why it is a very big thing for an agent to get his played signed for the full 120%. And so you can see why an agent might do everything in his player to get that full 120%. You can see why they would not wish to work for free. And you can see why they might advise a client taking the 80% tender offer. After all, if the player does that, the agent gets nothing. And that's not how agents work. So if the only offer on the table is an 80% one, you can see perhaps why an agent might advise against it.

[SAGirl]

"Tony Parker just gave the name of one of them. This is indeed his player Livio Jean-Charles . For the moment we do not know exactly what the terms of the contract but it is going to cross the Atlantic to join the Texans (Spurs)."

What does that mean, "just gave the name of one of them"? There's others?
RC had stated that he would bring some stashed players over this offseason he said Bertans and "maybe more"

[SAGirl]

I'm glad we are getting younger and more athletic.
Bertans
LJC
Murray
Simmons
Khawi



I wonder what kind of contract biyombo would command.
Don't assume Simmons is part of this crew.

[Kawhitstorm]

IMHO, Aldrich could end up being a big part of our off-season. Plus, with what Phoenix did in the draft, I think your guy, Leuer is definitely not returning to the Suns.

With Bertan/LJC coming over, you can basically cross off Leuer from the list.

[Chinook]

I'd probably trade Diaw for Chandler and hope I could convince Gordon to come over the the $8 Million or so I had left in cap space.

[raybies]

746393605388984325

For the Diaw rumors

[Nathan89]

Boban is useless vs every contender. Any money we spend on him is a waste.

[DPG21920]

Well Spurs are definitely getting younger but man there are obv a ton of question marks that come with that. We now know:

SA drafted Murray
SA signed Ryan Arc
SA is bringing over LJC
SA *likely* bringing over Bertans

We don't know if any of those guys can actually play at the NBA level ever let alone next year.


With no trades of Mills, Boris or anyone (even when it was really easy to do so) we don't know if SA plans on pursuing cap space or not (although it seems likely).

We really didn't walk away from the draft knowing anything or filling any basketball holes for next season so it's all on Free Agency now and on Tims decision.

My only wish was SA taking some more flyers on the young guard pipeline. McCaw, Ulis, GPII. So many guards that I wish SA would have gotten a 2nd rounder or two since the cost was low. No biggie.

[raybies]

I agree... but he does have his uses. It's just his weaknesses make him unplayable in crunch time. Much rather have Duncan, Pau, and Milutinov

[raybies]

Well Spurs are definitely getting younger but man there are obv a ton of question marks that come with that. We now know:

SA drafted Murray
SA signed Ryan Arc
SA is bringing over LJC
SA *likely* bringing over Bertans

We don't know if any of those guys can actually play at the NBA level ever let alone next year.


With no trades of Mills, Boris or anyone (even when it was really easy to do so) we don't know if SA plans on pursuing cap space or not (although it seems likely).

We really didn't walk away from the draft knowing anything or filling any basketball holes for next season so it's all on Free Agency now and on Tims decision.

My only wish was SA taking some more flyers on the young guard pipeline. McCaw, Ulis, GPII. So many guards that I wish SA would have gotten a 2nd rounder or two since the cost was low. No biggie.

Gs got McCaw for cash! At the 38th pick.

[elemento]

This shit can't be right

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/nba-free-agency-washington-wizards-joakim-noah-chicago-bulls-knicks-derrick-rose-bucks-timberwolves/1g5h2xcr8ello1ct5ne29gn4m5?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Wizards to prepare a 4y/120m max offer to Joakim Noah :lmao

Yeah, if KD doesn't sign here, SA should be out of this FA. It's disgusting.

[Chinook]

Well Spurs are definitely getting younger but man there are obv a ton of question marks that come with that. We now know:

SA drafted Murray
SA signed Ryan Arc
SA is bringing over LJC
SA *likely* bringing over Bertans

We don't know if any of those guys can actually play at the NBA level ever let alone next year.


With no trades of Mills, Boris or anyone (even when it was really easy to do so) we don't know if SA plans on pursuing cap space or not (although it seems likely).

We really didn't walk away from the draft knowing anything or filling any basketball holes for next season so it's all on Free Agency now and on Tims decision.

My only wish was SA taking some more flyers on the young guard pipeline. McCaw, Ulis, GPII. So many guards that I wish SA would have gotten a 2nd rounder or two since the cost was low. No biggie.


I am starting to think (and yes, this should probably go in the main off-season thread EDIT: And so it's here), that the Spurs are going to pursue cap space but also bring the same team back.

So as of right now, they have the following under contract (at least rumored)

Parker, Mills, Murray
Green, Simmons, Arcidiacono (and yes, I know he doesn't count)
Leonard, Anderson, Bertans (room exception)
LMA, Diaw, LJC

As well as having Boban as an RFA.

That leaves them with about $14 Million in space with Tim, Manu and West unsigned.

I'm thinking they choose between Diaw at $4 Million and West, and between Boban and another center in the MLE range. That takes leaves them with out $9-12 Million, which should be enough to give Manu and Tim small raises.

So we have:

Parker, Mills, Murray,
Green, Manu, Simmons (and now Arcidiacono really doesn't count)
Leonard, Anderson, Bertans
Aldridge, Diaw/West, LJC
Duncan, Boban/MLE guy, Cady/Ndoye.

Provided the oldies are signed to one-year deals, that preserves 2017 cap space, but it's also not a restart. I'm not sure if the MLE and the youngsters will make any difference, but at least the team isn't sacrificing their futures trying to win now. And this plan is easy enough to cobble together than it can be implemented as a backup plan to the Durant sweepstakes.

[SAGirl]

My only wish was SA taking some more flyers on the young guard pipeline. McCaw, Ulis, GPII. So many guards that I wish SA would have gotten a 2nd rounder or two since the cost was low. No biggie.
We already have a lot of youngsters and no roster spots to develop as it is so I can see why they didn't purchase a second round pick and take one or two other guys, though there was still talent after our pick that could have been worth it.

[NASpurs]

746405523004792832

[tholdren]

because this draft sucked. you have people saying a pg with a 4/3 ATO ratio is a steal at 29...

[Chinook]

This shit can't be right

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/nba-free-agency-washington-wizards-joakim-noah-chicago-bulls-knicks-derrick-rose-bucks-timberwolves/1g5h2xcr8ello1ct5ne29gn4m5?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Wizards to prepare a 4y/120m max offer to Joakim Noah :lmao

Yeah, if KD doesn't sign here, SA should be out of this FA. It's disgusting.

It will probably be easier to navigate the market in 2017 when teams aren't trying to reach the cap anymore, but the team should probably think long and hard about locking someone in now before the cap gets even higher.

[TheGreatYacht]

Besides Murray and Bertans.... Our youngsters fucking suck

Sign somebody, anybody. Next year's draft is stacked, trade some players for future picks and clear cap space

[Kawhitstorm]

Boban is useless vs every contender. Any money we spend on him is a waste.

He was nice on a minimum salary to eat up minutes in the regular season but dude is unplayable in the postseason ala Blair.

[Chinook]

746405523004792832

Someone proposed swapping him and Diaw. Wouldn't be a very high choice, but I could see if depending on what happens.

[dabom]

Someone proposed swapping him and Diaw. Wouldn't be a very high choice, but I could see if depending on what happens.

Nah dude...

[gambit1990]

if we're keeping diaw then i guess that means that team will mostly remain intact.

same roster minus... martin, miller? possibly without bonner, west.

[TheGreatYacht]

The meaningless 67 win season is going to make RC keep the roster mostly intact, which sucks. This is a fools gold roster so far. Neither Kiwi or LMA are good first options, our PG is old as fuck, the bench is terrible, etc.

[SD126]

746393605388984325

For the Diaw rumors

👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎

[SPURt]

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/nba-free-agency-washington-wizards-joakim-noah-chicago-bulls-knicks-derrick-rose-bucks-timberwolves/1g5h2xcr8ello1ct5ne29gn4m5?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

looks like the Wiz are going to offer Noah the max. Yikes!

[Spurs9]

This shit can't be right

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/nba-free-agency-washington-wizards-joakim-noah-chicago-bulls-knicks-derrick-rose-bucks-timberwolves/1g5h2xcr8ello1ct5ne29gn4m5?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Wizards to prepare a 4y/120m max offer to Joakim Noah :lmao

Yeah, if KD doesn't sign here, SA should be out of this FA. It's disgusting.

:wow :wow is this a joke? 28million for him? Would that be the worst contract ever? Even worse than Eric Dampier levels?

[SD126]

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/nba-free-agency-washington-wizards-joakim-noah-chicago-bulls-knicks-derrick-rose-bucks-timberwolves/1g5h2xcr8ello1ct5ne29gn4m5?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

looks like the Wiz are going to offer Noah the max. Yikes!

Which is why the Wizards are a straight joke.

[BackHome]

Wow and people complain about Parkersburg contract. Lol

[CGD]

Insane, no way

[Timothy21]

We need to sign one player... and the name is Whiteside...

[gambit1990]

damn, too bad the wizards have john wall. they'd probably take tp in a heartbeat :lol

[spursistan]

4-year/ $120 million for broken down Noah? this market man, I'm done :lol

[r0drig0lac]

people actually believe this story?

[elemento]

:wow :wow is this a joke? 28million for him? Would that be the worst contract ever? Even worse than Eric Dampier levels?

I'm not sure how reliable is this source, but if true, it pretty much sets the market for Howard and Whiteside. They won't sign for anything less than what Noah gets.

[NASpurs]

http://michiganstate.247sports.com/Bolt/Bryn-Forbes-reaches-deal-with-San-Antonio-45966138?


Guard Bryn Forbes (http://247sports.com/Player/Bryn-Forbes-77511) completed the group when he reached a deal with the San Antonio Spurs, he confirmed on Friday afternoon. Earlier Friday, center Matt Costello signed with the Atlanta Hawks.

Forbes told Spartan Tailgate the deal is a verbal agreement and he will play in summer league with the Spurs.

[cjw]

4-year/ $120 million for broken down Noah? this market man, I'm done :lol

Don't they have Nene and Gortat too? Jeez

[HarlemHeat37]

Would be pretty shocking, considering Noah is a slightly above average defender with a single offensive skill that isn't that important at his position(passing):lol

[dabom]

I think Washington said it was fake already...

[ace3g]

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Team

Player
Position
Height
Weight
Age
Interested Team(s)


1
http://basketball.realgm.com/images/basketball/5.0/team_logos/nba/33-okc.png (http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Oklahoma-City-Thunder/33/Rosters)
http://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Durant_Kevin_okc1516.jpg (http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Kevin-Durant/Summary/34)
Kevin Durant (http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Kevin-Durant/Summary/34)
SF/SG
6-9
240
27
http://basketball.realgm.com/images/basketball/5.0/team_logos/nba/2-boston-celtics.png (http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Boston-Celtics/2/Rosters) http://basketball.realgm.com/images/basketball/5.0/team_logos/nba/6-dallas-mavs.png (http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Dallas-Mavericks/6/Rosters) http://basketball.realgm.com/images/basketball/5.0/team_logos/nba/9-golden-state.png (http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Golden-State-Warriors/9/Rosters) http://basketball.realgm.com/images/basketball/5.0/team_logos/nba/10-houston-rockets.png (http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Houston-Rockets/10/Rosters) http://basketball.realgm.com/images/basketball/5.0/team_logos/nba/13-la-lakers.png (http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Los-Angeles-Lakers/13/Rosters) http://basketball.realgm.com/images/basketball/5.0/team_logos/nba/15-miami-heat.png (http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Miami-Heat/15/Rosters) http://basketball.realgm.com/images/basketball/5.0/team_logos/nba/20-ny-knicks.png (http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/New-York-Knicks/20/Rosters) http://basketball.realgm.com/images/basketball/5.0/team_logos/nba/33-okc.png (http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Oklahoma-City-Thunder/33/Rosters) http://basketball.realgm.com/images/basketball/5.0/team_logos/nba/26-san-antonio-spu.png (http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/San-Antonio-Spurs/26/Rosters) http://basketball.realgm.com/images/basketball/5.0/team_logos/nba/30-washington-dc.png (http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Washington-Wizards/30/Rosters)



3



http://basketball.realgm.com/images/basketball/5.0/team_logos/nba/1-atlanta-hawks.png (http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Atlanta-Hawks/1/Rosters)
http://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Horford_Al_atl1516.jpg (http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Al-Horford/Summary/35)
Al Horford (http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Al-Horford/Summary/35)
C/PF
6-10
245
30
http://basketball.realgm.com/images/basketball/5.0/team_logos/nba/1-atlanta-hawks.png (http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Atlanta-Hawks/1/Rosters) http://basketball.realgm.com/images/basketball/5.0/team_logos/nba/8-detroit-pistons.png (http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Detroit-Pistons/8/Rosters) http://basketball.realgm.com/images/basketball/5.0/team_logos/nba/9-golden-state.png (http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Golden-State-Warriors/9/Rosters) http://basketball.realgm.com/images/basketball/5.0/team_logos/nba/21-orlando-magic.png (http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Orlando-Magic/21/Rosters) http://basketball.realgm.com/images/basketball/5.0/team_logos/nba/26-san-antonio-spu.png (http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/San-Antonio-Spurs/26/Rosters)



5



http://basketball.realgm.com/images/basketball/5.0/team_logos/nba/14-memphis-grizzli.png (http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Memphis-Grizzlies/14/Rosters)
http://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Conley_Mike_mem1516.jpg (http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Mike-Conley/Summary/33)
Mike Conley (http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Mike-Conley/Summary/33)
PG
6-1
175
28
http://basketball.realgm.com/images/basketball/5.0/team_logos/nba/6-dallas-mavs.png (http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Dallas-Mavericks/6/Rosters) http://basketball.realgm.com/images/basketball/5.0/team_logos/nba/14-memphis-grizzli.png (http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Memphis-Grizzlies/14/Rosters) http://basketball.realgm.com/images/basketball/5.0/team_logos/nba/26-san-antonio-spu.png (http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/San-Antonio-Spurs/26/Rosters)



16



http://basketball.realgm.com/images/basketball/5.0/team_logos/nba/4-chicago-bulls.png (http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Chicago-Bulls/4/Rosters)
http://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Gasol_Pau_chi1516.jpg (http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Pau-Gasol/Summary/515)
Pau Gasol (http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Pau-Gasol/Summary/515)
PF/C
7-0
250
35
http://basketball.realgm.com/images/basketball/5.0/team_logos/nba/9-golden-state.png (http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Golden-State-Warriors/9/Rosters) http://basketball.realgm.com/images/basketball/5.0/team_logos/nba/17-minnesota-timbe.png (http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Minnesota-Timberwolves/17/Rosters) http://basketball.realgm.com/images/basketball/5.0/team_logos/nba/20-ny-knicks.png (http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/New-York-Knicks/20/Rosters) http://basketball.realgm.com/images/basketball/5.0/team_logos/nba/26-san-antonio-spu.png (http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/San-Antonio-Spurs/26/Rosters)










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[Keepin' it real]

if we're keeping diaw then i guess that means that team will mostly remain intact.

same roster minus... martin, miller? possibly without bonner, west.

And Duncan and Ginobili.

[SpursFan86]

746542451301613570

[ace3g]

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Marko Cosic, phys. Coach of Mega Leks, will spend part of the summer with SA Spurs! #NBADTeam (https://twitter.com/hashtag/NBADTeam?src=hash)

[tonight...you]

746542451301613570
Surprised Stein didn't add "And Not The Rockets".

[RD2191]

Surprised Stein didn't add "And Not The Rockets".
7.5/10

[tonight...you]

7.5/10
Better than your 2.5 out of 10...
Fo' reals.

[RD2191]

Better than your 2.5 out of 10...
Fo' reals.

You leave my gf out of this.

[K...]

Surprised Stein didn't add "And Not The Rockets".

They are addressed in the article.


The Houston Rockets have long planned to chase Durant in free agency, but when Durant and Rockets star James Harden were spotted spending time together earlier this month, sources said the Rockets are not expected to get serious consideration as a destination from Durant.

[tonight...you]

You leave my gf out of this.
Lol... damn you're fun.

[tonight...you]

They are addressed in the article.
Which went on to say that all of it meant nothing and Harden said as much. Don't pass on partial info to me buddy.
That's a month old.

[SpursFan86]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--kd-planning-to-host-free-agent-meetings-at-single-site-164954322.html


Oklahoma City Thunder (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/okc/) superstar Kevin Durant (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4244/) is planning to host free-agency meetings at a singular location starting July 1, league sources told The Vertical.

Durant’s representatives at Roc Nation are working to solidify invitations with the Boston Celtics (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/bos/), Golden State Warriors (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/gsw/), Los Angeles Clippers (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/lac/), Miami Heat (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/mia/), San Antonio Spurs (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/sas/) and Thunder, league sources said.

The meetings are expected to take place in New York, but teams are still awaiting word on a location.

The Thunder remain the frontrunners to re-sign Durant, likely on a one-plus-one-year deal that will allow Durant to return to free agency in the summer of 2017, league sources said. But more than any other rival suitor, the Warriors have Durant's attention, league sources said.

Durant’s public and private criteria for the free-agent selection process have pertained to a singular focus: the chance to win titles immediately.

Several teams that have interest in Durant – the Denver Nuggets (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/den/), New York Knicks (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/nyk/), Los Angeles Lakers (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/lal/), Houston Rockets (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/hou/) and Washington Wizards (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/was/) – could still find audiences with him, but appear to be outsiders in the process now.

Durant is planning to leave on a publicity tour in the Far East on July 9, and a decision is expected before the departure date, league sources said.

[Nathan89]

If I'm KD there is zero chance that I would go to the Spurs. We'll have no pg and a 41yo center. We don't even have wing depth for dominant small ball lineups.

[Keepin' it real]

If I'm KD there is zero chance that I would go to the Spurs. We'll have no pg and a 41yo center. We don't even have wing depth for dominant small ball lineups.

You're NOT KD.

[Keepin' it real]

So what are the odds that the Spurs play Kyle Anderson at his natural position -- point guard -- instead of playing him as a backup 3?

[skulls138]

So what are the odds that the Spurs play Kyle Anderson at his natural position -- point guard -- instead of playing him as a backup 3?I think it depends how he fits in defensively with his height. Other than that I think he has the skills.

[gambit1990]

And Duncan and Ginobili.
they're coming back.

[cutewizard]

Hibbert, anyone???

[Emperor]

Hibbert, anyone???

You must be joking.

[CGD]

So what are the odds that the Spurs play Kyle Anderson at his natural position -- point guard -- instead of playing him as a backup 3?

In this new NBA this guy needs to put on good weight and play at the 4. Too slow anywhere else.

[TheGreatYacht]

they're coming back.
Duncan can come back. Manure should go back to his home country of Southern Mexico and become a politician. I'm sure ElNono agrees

[Vic Petro]

Wonder if they would consider Malcolm Delaney as a cheap pg option. They love their Euroleaguers.

[LakerHater]

Duncan, who turned 40 in April, will help Popovich make the team’s pitch to Durant could signal that Duncan has decided to return for his 20th season with the Silver and Black.

[Mr. Body]

Duncan, who turned 40 in April, will help Popovich make the team’s pitch to Durant could signal that Duncan has decided to return for his 20th season with the Silver and Black.

Very good sign.

[ninjaskrzypek]

I feel like they have a plan in mind. Probably bring over Bertans and another stash player for cheap. Court KD and Conley or Gasol. Manu and Tim come back on the cheap. There's no way they are just going into FA laid back.

[SAGirl]

Duncan, who turned 40 in April, will help Popovich make the team’s pitch to Durant could signal that Duncan has decided to return for his 20th season with the Silver and Black.
That's just a rumor, but if true, IMO it means TD would only postpone retirement if Durant is a serious threat to leave OKC, who is the only guy he would come back on a minimum vet salary for. Without a significant FA additions, Pop might just pay TD a farewell retirement tour contract and spend the season developing a bench. We will only get to the finals again if some of our youngsters make a development leap anyways.

There are a couple that need playing time and a defined role to see if they will make it. Others are at least a couple of years away unfortunately bc they are so young or even if a little bit older like Bertans, they will be rookies and need time in the system anyways. It's really a transition season in many ways.

Edit:TD is not a fan of retirement tours but he night want to help develop the young guys bc he enjoys coaching teammates. There could still be a desire for him to play. But like I said above, we'd need younger guys to step up.

[ceperez]

If KD leaves OKC, he most likely will suit up with the Dubs.

The Dubs with Curry, Thompson and Green have too much youth and potential compared to Leonard, Aldridge and Green. I don't think it would even be a close contest. So let's all pray that KD will remain with OKC.

[SAGirl]

If KD leaves OKC, he most likely will suit up with the Dubs.

The Dubs with Curry, Thompson and Green have too much youth and potential compared to Leonard, Aldridge and Green. I don't think it would even be a close contest. So let's all pray that KD will remain with OKC.
Good point. The best scenario for us if he doesn't join us is for him to stay put.

[4lifecowboy]

If KD leaves OKC, he most likely will suit up with the Dubs.

The Dubs with Curry, Thompson and Green have too much youth and potential compared to Leonard, Aldridge and Green. I don't think it would even be a close contest. So let's all pray that KD will remain with OKC.

The Spurs with Green, Leonard and Aldridge would be just as attractive. Plus he is closer to that age group himself. I think Durant stating that who he will play with and be around will be a big factor as to where he goes. Personally i think SA was and is his first option from the beginning.

[Harry Callahan]

If KD leaves OKC, he most likely will suit up with the Dubs.

The Dubs with Curry, Thompson and Green have too much youth and potential compared to Leonard, Aldridge and Green. I don't think it would even be a close contest. So let's all pray that KD will remain with OKC.

Less difference than you might think in age with DG, KL, and LMA. Maybe just a year or two for the three and Curry has a history of breaking down now. It's a fluke when he comes out of any season not needing surgery and/or rehab.

Curry is already breaking down. LMA can play a long while given the style of play he uses.

[Emperor]

The Spurs with Green, Leonard and Aldridge would be just as attractive. Plus he is closer to that age group himself. I think Durant stating that who he will play with and be around will be a big factor as to where he goes. Personally i think SA was and is his first option from the beginning.

Except Green will more than likely have to be gone to make room for him.

[K...]

Except Green will more than likely have to be gone to make room for him.

If Durant wants green any player is expendable.

[Emperor]

If Durant wants green any player is expendable.

If that includes Parker then hell yes.

[barakz21]

Assuming we get Durant AND keep Green, the latter will have to move to the bench if we stay with the same lineups, which means we'll have at least 1 lockdown defender at the floor at all times. Question is, who plays the 2? Durant or KL? Or we could just go small ball with TP,Green,KL,Durant and LMA.

[ace3g]

Sportando @Sportando
(https://twitter.com/Sportando) Three NBA teams are interested in Alessandro Gentile, ready to acquire his rights from July 1 and offer him a guaranteed deal, Gazzetta adds

[NikosChelsea7]

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[Chinook]

Would rather than Hanga, especially since the team already has his rights.

[Vic Petro]

KD likes scoring. If he goes to GSW with Curry/Klay/Dray, are there enough shots for him?

KD took about 20% of OKCs shots. While he wants to win championships, I'm sure his place in the history of the game is important too. Remember last year LMA's concern with being turned into a 15ppg player due to too much sharing. Scorers like to score.

Curry/Klay/Dray are not going to shoot demonstrably less no matter who is on their team. These are great players too. Curry took about 22% of their shots, Klay 19%, Dray 12%. That's more than half their shots accounted for. Harrison Barnes took about 9%. That's not enough. There's no room to give a 4th guy 18-20% of their shots. GSW only took about 100 more shots than OKC, so in an offense that's basically the same pace, he'd get somewhere in the neighborhood of 300 less shots. He cool with that?

In SA, Kawhi got 16% of the shots and LMA got about 15%. Next closest guy is TP at 11% and god knows that number needs to come down. Mills 9%, Green 8%, and down from there. Spurs take less shots overall than either GSW or OKC, but they absolutely have enough room to hand KD 18-20% of their FGAs. Using 15/16 FGAs, that's like 150 less shots for him, but in an offense that shoots way less overall. He wouldn't be doing as much standing around watching other guys shoot, and the Spurs would depend on him way more than GSW. As a bonus SA current best 2 players can both operate out of the post, meaning a lot of kickouts off double teams. Spurs were goddamn desperate for guys who could knock down 3s with Green and Mills repeatedly shitting their drawers.

IMO his best bet is just to stay put. But if he's really sick of the constant struggle of playing with Westbrook, I don't see SA as a worse option than GSW for him. Guys want a chance to win a title and the chance to play their game. Bonus if they get a chance to be a hero. SA checks all 3 of those boxes for him. Not sure he'd ever be the hero in GSW and I don't think he'd be too excited waiting for his turn to shoot.

[ElNono]

Duncan can come back. Manure should go back to his home country of Southern Mexico and become a politician. I'm sure ElNono agrees

He should come back... would make watching Porker sucking up a storm more bearable, IMO.

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[SAGirl]

^ :pop: Either they want to come or they don't.

Cue in the "Pop is senile" crew!
Hmm Boban is very likely re-signed.

:tu thanks for sharing Ace.

[Spurs9]

:pop: The players know where my office is, if they want on this team they need to knock.

[sasaint]

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Reportedly leaning toward the Nets. He has apparently greatly improved his shot the last couple of seasons. Perhaps the Spurs could bring out the best in him...

[CGD]

Sportando @Sportando
(https://twitter.com/Sportando) Three NBA teams are interested in Alessandro Gentile, ready to acquire his rights from July 1 and offer him a guaranteed deal, Gazzetta adds






Seems inflated. Plus the signing of D'antoni might mean Houston keeps him?

[TheGreatYacht]

So the Spurs are serious about recruiting KD..

If the Spurs decide to trade Danny, it's better to do it for a 2017 First round pick. Wait another year and Danny will be 30, or worse, he'll have another terrible year and his expiring contract will be a pain to get rid of.

They could also trade Tony and have Murray be the starting point guard, which is highly unlikely.

[SPURt]

Sportando @Sportando
(https://twitter.com/Sportando) Three NBA teams are interested in Alessandro Gentile, ready to acquire his rights from July 1 and offer him a guaranteed deal, Gazzetta adds





Would be awesome to see him a Spur but isn't that only possible via treade? I know Phil Jacksonwas trying to trade for him pre-draft.

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2016/6/25/12032138/the-knicks-nearly-acquired-the-rights-to-italian-wing-alessandro

[jyra]

Would be awesome to see him a Spur but isn't that only possible via treade? I know Phil Jacksonwas trying to trade for him pre-draft.

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2016/6/25/12032138/the-knicks-nearly-acquired-the-rights-to-italian-wing-alessandro

I don't see the appeal. He's a career 31% shooter from 3 with questionable defense and ahtleticism.

[tholdren]

:pop: The players know where my office is, if they want on this team they need to knock.
The way it should be. screw the mariachi shit, its for boys. Sign the contract, stop the bullshit, be a man.

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Grizzlies claim Tony Wroten off waivers



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Grizzlies claim Tony Wroten off waivers



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but did they woo him first?

[SPURt]

I don't see the appeal. He's a career 31% shooter from 3 with questionable defense and ahtleticism.
From what I've seen he looks like more of a mid range guy that can get to the rim and a great competitor. Could be a good cheap role player. The reason I asked if a trade was necessary it's because I wouldn't want the Spurs to give up anything meaningful, even a second round pick, to get him.

[TheGreatYacht]

Wroten is gone, damn.

[tbdog]

I wouldn't mind the spurs looking into trading for Rubio and Dieng in a deal for Parker and Green in a salary dump situatuon. There is about a 7mil difference between Dieng and Green, and Rubio and Parker are only similar contracts, with Parker having 1 less year. In saying that, Dieng is my target here. He can be our starter with LMA. He has range, decent rebounder and shot blocker. There is a good chance that this scenario won't cost us a pick. Perhaps Green might even fetch a protected one. And I like Rubio game. He has the size to defend some sg's and can be paired up with Mills. If we are looking for a pass first pg with good D, he is someone too look at. He isn't the spot up shooter that we want, but if he was, he would be a star.

[TimDunkem]

Once again, hell fucking no to Rubio. This team will be playing 4 on 5 on offense every damn game.

[Robz4000]

I wouldn't mind the spurs looking into trading for Rubio and Dieng in a deal for Parker and Green in a salary dump situatuon. There is about a 7mil difference between Dieng and Green, and Rubio and Parker are only similar contracts, with Parker having 1 less year. In saying that, Dieng is my target here. He can be our starter with LMA. He has range, decent rebounder and shot blocker. There is a good chance that this scenario won't cost us a pick. Perhaps Green might even fetch a protected one. And I like Rubio game. He has the size to defend some sg's and can be paired up with Mills. If we are looking for a pass first pg with good D, he is someone too look at. He isn't the spot up shooter that we want, but if he was, he would be a star.

Wew lads

[tbdog]

? - don't agree?

[SD126]

Dieng is ok, but no way Minny lets him go for what we have, and to suggest we give up Parker and Green for a trash like Rubio and thinking playing him along side of Fatty Mills would work is delusional thinking. I'd rather see Poop and the lame heads upstairs do the right thing and tell Fatty to pack his bags and GTFO like they should have after '14.

[TheGreatYacht]

Spurstalk complains about Parker's 13ppg on 50%.... Don't even wanna imagine the scenes when Rubio is averaging 10ppg on 38% looool

[dabom]

Spurstalk complains about Parker's 13ppg on 50%.... Don't even wanna imagine the scenes when Rubio is averaging 10ppg on 38% looool

Fathead shoots .300 dude...

[tbdog]

Spurstalk complains about Parker's 13ppg on 50%.... Don't even wanna imagine the scenes when Rubio is averaging 10ppg on 38% looool

lol, i just saw his percentage. They are really bad. I wonder if we can get Green for Dieng in a salary dump?

[SAGirl]

Once again, hell fucking no to Rubio. This team will be playing 4 on 5 on offense every damn game.
At least he's a better passer and a much better player than MCW who several guys are after. In reality I'd say no to both.

Probably Mike Conley would have to be the guy in play to improve from Tony and I find that hard to stomach too. Most likely we are picking up a reinforcement for the bench and a big from somewhere.

[r0drig0lac]

lol, i just saw his percentage. They are really bad. I wonder if we can get Green for Dieng in a salary dump?

lmao....NO

[tbdog]

^ If we get Durant, we are going to have to salary dump, you know that yeh?

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

At least he's a better passer and a much better player than MCW who several guys are after. In reality I'd say no to both.

Probably Mike Conley would have to be the guy in play to improve from Tony and I find that hard to stomach too. Most likely we are picking up a reinforcement for the bench and a big from somewhere.

MCW made sense to me as a low risk, high reward trade to get longer and more athletic and see what Chip and a strong development culture could do with him. Now that we've drafted Murray I think that's been rendered moot.

I think it's hilarious that people are still deluding themselves that KD will come here this year. His team just beat ours, we already have an MVP candidate at his position, and if he wants to move the Dubs have more to offer anyway.

He'll re-up on a 1-and-1, give himself one more shot with the team he built from scratch, and think about his long term future next offseason.

[jyra]

From what I've seen he looks like more of a mid range guy that can get to the rim and a great competitor. Could be a good cheap role player. The reason I asked if a trade was necessary it's because I wouldn't want the Spurs to give up anything meaningful, even a second round pick, to get him.

If you don't want to give up anything then you should forget about him. The Rockets are not going to renounce their draft rights. If they don't want him they can definitely get more than nothing from some team out there.

[TimDunkem]

At least he's a better passer and a much better player than MCW who several guys are after. In reality I'd say no to both.

Probably Mike Conley would have to be the guy in play to improve from Tony and I find that hard to stomach too. Most likely we are picking up a reinforcement for the bench and a big from somewhere.
I don't see why you bring up MCW. I don't want him either.

[montgod]

Chicago is shopping Taj Gibson again. I saw a suggestion of Diaw+Simmons for him? Hmmm....

[bklynspursfan]

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[Chinook]

747446584372232192

Obviously means Utah and Vegas. And the SL nod was obvious but still cool. But WTF about him winning gold?

[Chinook]

Wait, when the hell did this happen?


On April 28, 2016, Lalanne signed with the Capitanes de Arecibo of the Puerto Rican League.[9] The next day, he made his debut for the Capitanes in a 76–70 loss to the Santeros de Aguada, recording nine points, seven rebounds and two blocks in 14 minutes off the bench.

Is this a long-term thing? Even if it's just for this season, it's pretty nice. It was going to be tough for him to make the roster this season, though obviously not impossible. If the Spurs don't have to worry about him forcing his way into camp, it should be nice. It's all the better if he can come back to the d-league in the fall.

[NikosChelsea7]

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[Chinook]

I've always like Udoh. But I wouldn't pay him more than the min this year. The Spurs can't afford to use cap space on flyers.

[TrainOfThought5]

Chicago is shopping Taj Gibson again. I saw a suggestion of Diaw+Simmons for him? Hmmm....

If we could convince Aldridge to play the 5 full time it could work.

[bklynspursfan]

Obviously means Utah and Vegas. And the SL nod was obvious but still cool. But WTF about him winning gold?

Yea I didn't know that either lol

[montgod]

If we could convince Aldridge to play the 5 full time it could work.

With small line-ups these days, I am sure Taj has plenty of experience at the 5.

[NASpurs]

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[jon123spurs]

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I'm thinking it's Biyombo. What other big man would have Toronto that high on their list.

[NASpurs]

I'm thinking it's Biyombo. What other big man would have Toronto that high on their list.

Matt Bonner.

[TheDoctor]

I'm thinking it's Biyombo. What other big man would have Toronto that high on their list.

Pau Gasol?

[TheMulletMan3000]

Jeremy Lin or Pau Gasol?

Alex then tweeted that anon player is a big man. So, it is Pau.

[BillMc]

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Batum?

[BillMc]

Alex then tweeted that anon player is a big man. So, it is Pau.

I see. Ok, not Batum.

[Robz4000]

It's Bonner or Biyombo. Wouldn't mind the latter if Duncan is returning.

[timtonymanu]

Has to be Biyombo. If it was Gasol, I think Chicago would have still been listed.

EDIT: You're kidding yourself, ttm. Of course, it's Bonner.

[montgod]

Has to be Biyombo. If it was Gasol, I think Chicago would have still been listed.

EDIT: You're kidding yourself, ttm. Of course, it's Bonner.

I don't agree. Chicago is in full rebuild. Gasol wants no parts of that. It really could be either player in Biyombo or Gasol. I would still assume it's more Biyombo with Toronto in mix.

[Kawhitstorm]

Alex then tweeted that anon player is a big man. So, it is Pau.

Has to be Pau, Biyombo doesn't make sense for the Cavs but Pau can sign for the MLE. Knicks have been rumored to be a potential suitor & Toronto is a cosmopolitan city that would suit Pau.

[timtonymanu]

I don't agree. Chicago is in full rebuild. Gasol wants no parts of that. It really could be either player in Biyombo or Gasol. I would still assume it's more Biyombo with Toronto in mix.

Yep. Plus there's the CoJo connection in Toronto. Probably convinced Biyombo to consider the Spurs. Just like David West/George Hill in Indiana. But Pau has openly said he would play here so I still think it's him.

[ernest787]

it's no one. AK has 0 sources. dude is a scrub.

[NikosChelsea7]

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[SAGirl]

I'm thinking it's Biyombo. What other big man would have Toronto that high on their list.
Hmmm yes. I hadn't thought about it like that.

[jyra]

If Biyombo is interested in the Spurs, Boris could play a big role in recruiting him: http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-pm-diaw-has-unlikely-pupil-in-biyombo/

(http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-pm-diaw-has-unlikely-pupil-in-biyombo/)

“That’s like my big brother,” Biyombo said. “He took care of me like [I was] his little brother and taught me a lot about the NBA. He was always there, so I appreciate him.”


I also remember this tweet that made me laugh at the time but not anymore after last season..

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[DPG21920]

I mean I like Biyombo and he's definitely earned a pay day. Just scary giving money to a player that recently just blew up and is not offensively gifted at all really.

He would stack SA's defense/rebounding though - I wonder how much he really gets?

[NASpurs]

If Biyombo is interested in the Spurs, Boris could play a big role in recruiting him: http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-pm-diaw-has-unlikely-pupil-in-biyombo/

(http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-pm-diaw-has-unlikely-pupil-in-biyombo/)


I also remember this tweet that made me laugh at the time but not anymore after last season..

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Hmmmmm maybe that Alex Kennedy tweet was about Biyombo.

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVE_AAW1fH4&feature=share

[spursistan]

Alex Kennedy is a hack..Don't believe anything out of his tease-tweets..

[tbdog]

Biyombo would be a nice get to pair him with LMA. That defense would be great. If we could upgrade or even side grade our starting pg, it would be nice end for TD/Manu/TP to come off the bench. That chemistry for 15 to 20 mins a game.

Of course, this means no Durant. And if Durant goes to Warriors, or if Thunder keep him and snagged Horford, it's mute anyway.

[Spur|n|Austin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVE_AAW1fH4&feature=share

Yes! Thanks

[TimDunkem]

Biyombo is the young athletic big we need but I wouldn't be upset with Gasol either. I don't care what anyone here says, there are not many other getable bigs with that much size and skill out there right now.

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Sources: Minnesota declining option on forward Damjan Rudez, who shot 41 percent on 3's for Pacers in 2014-'15. Another shooter on market.

[TheGoldStandard]

Biyombo is the young athletic big we need but I wouldn't be upset with Gasol either. I don't care what anyone here says, there are not many other getable bigs with that much size and skill out there right now.

It doesn't matter who it is Pop will find a way not to play them when it matters.

[Leetonidas]

Someone is going to be foolish enough to offer Biyombo the max and for that I'd rather the Spurs wait until 2017 if they strike out this season

[Spur|n|Austin]

It doesn't matter who it is Pop will find a way not to play them when it matters.

Don't you ever get tired of the dumb schtick?

[TheGoldStandard]

Don't you ever get tired of the dumb schtick?

:pop: He'll stop his schtick once I stop mine..

[DPG21920]

Chinook - to make sure I have this (mostly) right and to keep the salary situation fresh as we approach free agency - If SA doesn't waive or renounce anyone, but all 3 of West/Duncan/Gino opt out, SA should have about 10M in cap space, correct?

That would mean they have the cap holds of Bonner/Butler/Miller/Martin, Boris full salary, Simmons full salary, the draft picks (this year, plus LJC/Milu) & Boban's QO. With all the guaranteed salaries and no one waived that has SA at about 84M in salaries with a 94M cap.

With what we currently know (no speculation) this seems like the path SA is on with Manu/West already opting out. If Tim opts out (now speculating, and we will know soon) then SA should be working with 10M.

They can get to 15M by simply waiving Boris/Simmons.

If Milutinov doesn't make the team then likely his salary gets removed so that's another 1m (16M) total.

So if Tim opts out which seems likely, SA can seemingly get to 16M in cap space without needing any other teams help simply by waiving Boris/Simmons & not having Milutinov come over (possibly more if they stretch Boris).

[coachmac87]

Chinook - to make sure I have this (mostly) right and to keep the salary situation fresh as we approach free agency - If SA doesn't waive or renounce anyone, but all 3 of West/Duncan/Gino opt out, SA should have about 10M in cap space, correct?

That would mean they have the cap holds of Bonner/Butler/Miller/Martin, Boris full salary, Simmons full salary, the draft picks (this year, plus LJC/Milu) & Boban's QO. With all the guaranteed salaries and no one waived that has SA at about 84M in salaries with a 94M cap.

With what we currently know (no speculation) this seems like the path SA is on with Manu/West already opting out. If Tim opts out (now speculating, and we will know soon) then SA should be working with 10M.

They can get to 15M by simply waiving Boris/Simmons.

If Milutinov doesn't make the team then likely his salary gets removed so that's another 1m (16M) total.


Simmons is a LOCK to stay

So if Tim opts out which seems likely, SA can seemingly get to 16M in cap space without needing any other teams help simply by waiving Boris/Simmons & not having Milutinov come over (possibly more if they stretch Boris).

[tbdog]

^ pretty much. Some things though, Bobon has a Q offer of 1.5mil, which acts against the cap until he decides to sign it or not. Not sure when the date is. Murray contact is 950k. LJC cap hold of 990k. As far as I know, Spurs need to waive their rights to sign them for this year Milutinov and LJC, not sure about Bertans, for them to be erased from the cap hold.

Edit* add

Simmons cap hold is bugger all, under 900k. Mills is owed 3.5mil. So we can create more space by packaging Diaw and Mills 10.5mil.

[DPG21920]

Yup - I included them in the calculations just wanted to keep things at forefront.

[ducks]

trade mills and diaw for corey jospeh

[SAGirl]

Chinook (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557) - to make sure I have this (mostly) right and to keep the salary situation fresh as we approach free agency - If SA doesn't waive or renounce anyone, but all 3 of West/Duncan/Gino opt out, SA should have about 10M in cap space, correct?

That would mean they have the cap holds of Bonner/Butler/Miller/Martin, Boris full salary, Simmons full salary, the draft picks (this year, plus LJC/Milu) & Boban's QO. With all the guaranteed salaries and no one waived that has SA at about 84M in salaries with a 94M cap.

With what we currently know (no speculation) this seems like the path SA is on with Manu/West already opting out. If Tim opts out (now speculating, and we will know soon) then SA should be working with 10M.

They can get to 15M by simply waiving Boris/Simmons.

If Milutinov doesn't make the team then likely his salary gets removed so that's another 1m (16M) total.

So if Tim opts out which seems likely, SA can seemingly get to 16M in cap space without needing any other teams help simply by waiving Boris/Simmons & not having Milutinov come over (possibly more if they stretch Boris).
Did you account for Bertans in this?

[Chinook]

Chinook (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557) - to make sure I have this (mostly) right and to keep the salary situation fresh as we approach free agency - If SA doesn't waive or renounce anyone, but all 3 of West/Duncan/Gino opt out, SA should have about 10M in cap space, correct?

That would mean they have the cap holds of Bonner/Butler/Miller/Martin, Boris full salary, Simmons full salary, the draft picks (this year, plus LJC/Milu) & Boban's QO. With all the guaranteed salaries and no one waived that has SA at about 84M in salaries with a 94M cap.

With what we currently know (no speculation) this seems like the path SA is on with Manu/West already opting out. If Tim opts out (now speculating, and we will know soon) then SA should be working with 10M.

They can get to 15M by simply waiving Boris/Simmons.

If Milutinov doesn't make the team then likely his salary gets removed so that's another 1m (16M) total.

So if Tim opts out which seems likely, SA can seemingly get to 16M in cap space without needing any other teams help simply by waiving Boris/Simmons & not having Milutinov come over (possibly more if they stretch Boris).

Well, as my boy Coach would want me to point out, the first thing you have to do in every off-season scenario is to cut Simmons.

Anyway, it's much easier to count up in cap space rather than counting down. Roster charges are tricky devils.

This is the cap situation you describe: (EDIT: I did forget the min cap holds by mistake. However, that is definitely for the best, as they serve no purpose if they aren't renounced. In that same regard I'm ignoring the cap holds for the three Spurs who had options, even though in real life, they initially keep the team over the cap.)



Player
Salary/Hold


LaMarcus Aldridge
$20,575,005.00


Kawhi Leonard
$17,638,063.00


Tony Parker
$14,445,313.00


Danny Green
$10,000,000.00


Boris Diaw
$7,000,000.00


Tim Duncan
$5,643,750.00


Patty Mills
$3,578,948.00


Boban Marjanovic
$1,500,000.00


Kyle Anderson
$1,192,080.00


Nikola Milutinov
$1,061,600.00


Livio Jean-Charles
$990,700.00


Dejounte Murray
$983,400.00


Jonathan Simmons
$874,636.00






Total
$85,483,495.00




So the Spurs actually have about $9 Million prior to a Duncan opt out. So if Tim opts out and Diaw and Simmons are waived along with Milutinov being stashed again, the cap situation looks like this:



Player
Salary/Hold


LaMarcus Aldridge
$20,575,005.00


Kawhi Leonard
$17,638,063.00


Tony Parker
$14,445,313.00


Danny Green
$10,000,000.00


Patty Mills
$3,578,948.00


Boban Marjanovic
$1,500,000.00


Kyle Anderson
$1,192,080.00


Diaw Stretched + RC
$1,143,471.00


Livio Jean-Charles
$990,700.00


Dejounte Murray
$983,400.00


Roster Charge
$543,471.00


Roster Charge
$543,471.00






Total
$73,133,922.00




So that gives the Spurs just under $21 Million to work with while still needing one functional move, which is to waive Boban's cap hold. It simply has very little utility for the Spurs in cap scenarios. The team itself should keep it until they have to get rid of it, but in reality, the hold for Boban is the Full MLE's worth of salary, as that's what it will take to match any offer. So either you earmark that much for him now or you just completely forget he's there. I tend to do that latter, but sometimes I do the former.



Player
Salary/Hold


LaMarcus Aldridge
$20,575,005.00


Kawhi Leonard
$17,638,063.00


Tony Parker
$14,445,313.00


Danny Green
$10,000,000.00


Patty Mills
$3,578,948.00


Kyle Anderson
$1,192,080.00


Diaw Stretched + RC
$1,143,471.00


Livio Jean-Charles
$990,700.00


Dejounte Murray
$983,400.00


Roster Charge
$543,471.00


Roster Charge
$543,471.00


Roster Charge
$543,471.00






Total
$72,177,393.00




So that takes the Spurs to just under $22 Million in cap space without having to get help from other teams. If the Spurs break that space up into multiple players, they actually get a bit of extra space due to the way roster charges work. So while they can't sign one player making $22 Million, they can sign two $11 Million players and still have cap space left.



Player
Salary/Hold


LaMarcus Aldridge
$20,575,005.00


Kawhi Leonard
$17,638,063.00


Tony Parker
$14,445,313.00


Danny Green
$10,000,000.00


Patty Mills
$3,578,948.00


Kyle Anderson
$1,192,080.00


Diaw Stretched + RC
$1,143,471.00


Livio Jean-Charles
$990,700.00


Dejounte Murray
$983,400.00


Random Player A
$11,000,000.00


Random Player B
$11,000,000.00


Roster Charge
$543,471.00






Total
$93,090,451.00



Or even three players averaging $7.8 Million each:



Player
Salary/Hold


LaMarcus Aldridge
$20,575,005.00


Kawhi Leonard
$17,638,063.00


Tony Parker
$14,445,313.00


Danny Green
$10,000,000.00


Patty Mills
$3,578,948.00


Kyle Anderson
$1,192,080.00


Diaw Stretched + RC
$1,143,471.00


Livio Jean-Charles
$990,700.00


Dejounte Murray
$983,400.00


Random Player A
$7,800,000.00


Random Player B
$7,800,000.00


Random Player C
$7,800,000.00






Total
$93,946,980.00

[cjw]

Keeping Simmons only costs $300k on the cap, so likely he's kept unless needed to help facilitate another deal or they're absolutely desperate for his space (if it's for KD or the like, you do it without thinking twice).

Don't forget that players can be added in trades so long as the Spurs don't bust through the cap in the trade. The FA pool may be shallow, but the FO is certainly putting out feelers on players on teams that are looking to shed bodies.


Did you account for Bertans in this?

Bertans would likely be at the league minimum so the roster holds account for him.

[TheGreatYacht]

Alex Kennedy is a hack..Don't believe anything out of his tease-tweets..
He's the only person talking about the Spurs' free agency, so I'll take what I can get tbh

[TheGreatYacht]

Also,

Gasol for the MLE >>>>>>> Biyombo 20M/yr

[Kawhitstorm]

Alex Kennedy is a hack..Don't believe anything out of his tease-tweets..

If he's tease-twitting then it would have to be Pau who just opted out today & has been publicly putting his name on the Spurs FA list.:lol

[Spur|n|Austin]

Every time I see that contract Parker is on I fucking cringe.

[Kawhitstorm]

Also,

Gasol for the MLE >>>>>>> Biyombo 20M/yr

Spurs can't use the MLE b/c they have cap space.

[tbdog]

^ They can when they go over, which can easily be achieved with bird rights to TD and Manu.

[Ice009]

Biyombo would be a nice get to pair him with LMA. That defense would be great. If we could upgrade or even side grade our starting pg, it would be nice end for TD/Manu/TP to come off the bench. That chemistry for 15 to 20 mins a game.

Of course, this means no Durant. And if Durant goes to Warriors, or if Thunder keep him and snagged Horford, it's mute anyway.

How would the Thunder get Horford? The don't have the money if they re-sign Durant.

For the record, I wanted Biyombo last off-season. I didn't know he was going so cheap and was pretty mad when the Raptors got him for nothing. I thought he would have been a fantastic defensive/rebounding big off the bench. Did the Spurs have the LLE last off-season? Was that used on Boban?

[tbdog]

Thunder can package Kanter for him. Essentially if Horford wants to go to Thunder, they can get him, like Warriors can get Durant. He can play PF there with Adams, which is very enticing for him. The biggest question mark is that if Durant stays, he is likely signing a plus 1 deal, and Westbrook and Oladipo are on one year deal. So him signing a 4 year deal, he could watch all those guys walk.

[Chinook]

How would the Thunder get Horford? The don't have the money if they re-sign Durant.

For the record, I wanted Biyombo last off-season. I didn't know he was going so cheap and was pretty mad when the Raptors got him for nothing. I thought he would have been a fantastic defensive/rebounding big off the bench. Did the Spurs have the LLE last off-season? Was that used on Boban?

They had only the room exception, which they used on Manu. Boban was signed with cap space.

[cutewizard]

How about this guy??

Could we get him??


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0hwpmmixsU

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wZJj6EufUc

[eDizzle20]

I'm hoping the Spurs are considering Whiteside. Size is now the most glaring need this team has, if you consider that the PG position was addressed with the drafting of Murray. I believe Aldridge did get worn out in the OKC series because he did consistently have to play center. Whiteside is one of the few true centers in the league and is a monster on the boards and rim protection due to his great length and athleticism. He is also progressing with his post game. Considering he just turned 27 he would be a great option for the long term. With the veterans the Spurs have I'm not so concerned about his potential character issues.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sb9RWhbpNU

[cutewizard]

hahahahahaha

i went to Ekpe Udoh's facebook page, and asked him if he wants to play for the Spurs

hope he responds, hahahaha

[cutewizard]

DAVIS BERTANS, THE LARRY BIRD OF THE SPURS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i48J1JShdQQ

yiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiihhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaa!!

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BvH0F1N0Mo

[palangi]

A short video of Cady Lalanne. Shows his ability to rebound, block shots, shoot 3's, pass, drive, and low post moves.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUSzy89A2EQ