Official 2016 Spurs Offseason Thread

[spurs10]

:pop: That's too much to think about. It's easier to just sign Bonner so I can get back to binge watching Castle. :pop: Have I mentioned he is very well rested?

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I like your optimism. :toast

Thanks. In life I'm usually a pessimist (the world is going to hell), but there's no reason not to trust in the Spurs' brass - 20 years of success at the highest level doesn't just evaporate. :toast

[Hoops Czar]

I would love to hear the argument for Parker being better than Wade last season :lol

This isn't rocket science, it's basketball sense.

RPM: Tony Parker -0.40 Dwayne Wade -1.08

RPM Win Shares: Tony Parker 3.37 Dwayne Wade 2.87

Win Shares/48: Tony Parker .142 Dwayne Wade .105

On/Off numbers: Tony Parker -1.6 Dwayne Wade -5.0

Nothing to argue really. I'm not suggesting Tony Parker had a good season by any stretch, but arguing Wade did is laughable.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Oh, and Wade is not coming here. He took a discount from the cHeat a few years ago so he's going to make them sweat, then make them pay.

[TheGreatYacht]

Um, the 2012-15 resurgence also coincides with a complete change in style of play (to the beautiful game - we were doing it before anyone else), the emergence of Kawhi, not to mention cobbling together an excellent supporting cast by bringing in guys like Diaw, Mills, CoJo, Baynes, etc. The 2009-2011 teams sucked primarily because we were unable to bring in any FAs or draft picks that helped.

Is Pop over the hill? Maybe, maybe not. But his and RC's team-building acumen has 20 successful years behind it and I'm willing to trust in that. I don't like that we've zagged to slow-ball when everyone else is going fast, but it was done to fit the personnel.

We are long past the time I thought we'd be rebuilding - back in 2010 I thought Duncan, Manu and Pop would ride off into the sunset together after 2012, but then Kawhi exploded and changed everything - and there's no doubt we need an injection of youth and athleticism, but even with all of that we still almost beat a peaking OKC team last year.

I'll trust in the management that has made this the franchise of the era, and a model for sports clubs across the globe. :D
I hope you're right

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I hope you're right

So do I. But I'm confident that whatever happens we'll keep winning 52+ games - Kawhi, and the team infrastructure, is just that good - and being a Spurs fan will be fun for may years to come.

On the flipside, I think we have to be patient through the next few years. Rebuilds are never simple.

[TheGreatYacht]

So do I. But I'm confident that whatever happens we'll keep winning 52+ games - Kawhi, and the team infrastructure, is just that good - and being a Spurs fan will be fun for may years to come.

On the flipside, I think we have to be patient through the next few years. Rebuilds are never simple.
A rebuild would be cool, but we don't have young guys with difference maker potential aside from Murray, and as long as Kawhi & LMA are on the team, we won't get to pick in the lottery. So basically we'll have to pray we hit the jackpot in the 20-30 range or we'll be Hawks West (A team that's always in the middle, not really a contender nor a lottery team)

Spurs are currently a free agent destination despite being in SA because of the winning culture... A rebuild can ruin what aura we had, tbh. Even if we have to overpay Conley or others, I don't want us to be a middle of the pack team and waste LMA and Kawhi's prime by developing Kyle Anderson and the Bertans of the world.

Bottom line, I don't want to see the Spurs stand pat and just replace the end of the bench guys that won't see playing time in the playoffs.

[NASpurs]

Why do I get a sense the Spurs are only keeping Diaw just as trade bait as a $6.5 million expiring contract.

2016 $3M guaranteed, fully if not waived on or before 6/30/16
2017 non-guaranteed, fully if not waived on or before 7/15/17

They would rather trade him than pay the $3 million needed if they would had waived him. I suspect the Spurs are going to trade him for a team that needs cap space next year and/or package him with another player all depending on the situation if a particular opportunity arises. Something about bringing back the exact same team next year doesn't make sense to me, and even less sense for a player who saw his minutes reduced big time.

I don't know, I feel like something is up.

[AFMadison]

A rebuild would be cool, but we don't have young guys with difference maker potential aside from Murray, and as long as Kawhi & LMA are on the team, we won't get to pick in the lottery. So basically we'll have to pray we hit the jackpot in the 20-30 range or we'll be Hawks West (A team that's always in the middle, not really a contender nor a lottery team)

Spurs are currently a free agent destination despite being in SA because of the winning culture... A rebuild can ruin what aura we had, tbh. Even if we have to overpay Conley or others, I don't want us to be a middle of the pack team and waste LMA and Kawhi's prime by developing Kyle Anderson and the Bertans of the world.

Bottom line, I don't want to see the Spurs stand pat and just replace the end of the bench guys that won't see playing time in the playoffs.
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[tonight...you]

Why do I get a sense the Spurs are only keeping Diaw just as trade bait as a $6.5 million expiring contract.

2016 $3M guaranteed, fully if not waived on or before 6/30/16
2017 non-guaranteed, fully if not waived on or before 7/15/17

They would rather trade him than pay the $3 million needed if they would had waived him. I suspect the Spurs are going to trade him for a team that needs cap space next year and/or package him with another player all depending on the situation if a particular opportunity arises. Something about bringing back the exact same team next year doesn't make sense to me, and even less sense for a player who saw his minutes reduced big time.

I don't know, I feel like something is up.
I think Pop actually thinks they are going to be back in the deep forest of the playoffs and they're going to need Diaw then.
Like, for reals and sheets, he thinks that.

[ace3g]

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Word is Noah loves his hometown NY dearly & dreams of playing for NYK. Saw him walking around NY smiling last week.






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Have heard the same lament from multiple interested teams tonight: They see New York as a big favorite to land Joakim Noah in free agency.

[ace3g]

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Tomorrow's column tonight: Previewing NBA free agency -- trends, teams + players to watch, new tidbits, and more:

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[cjw]

Why do I get a sense the Spurs are only keeping Diaw just as trade bait as a $6.5 million expiring contract.

2016 $3M guaranteed, fully if not waived on or before 6/30/16
2017 non-guaranteed, fully if not waived on or before 7/15/17

They would rather trade him than pay the $3 million needed if they would had waived him. I suspect the Spurs are going to trade him for a team that needs cap space next year and/or package him with another player all depending on the situation if a particular opportunity arises. Something about bringing back the exact same team next year doesn't make sense to me, and even less sense for a player who saw his minutes reduced big time.

I don't know, I feel like something is up.

Solid point. A team that may need to get to the salary floor this year (after FA) but wants maximum flexibility next year. Or a team that treats Diaw's deal as a Brandon Haywood light deal with the huge mid-July guarantee date.

[NASpurs]

Broussard sucks but here you go...

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[Chinook]

Broussard sucks but here you go...

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Oh of course they are :bang

[T Park]

Broussard sucks but here you go...

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Go right and blow your money him guys.

[look_at_g_shred]

Oh of course they are :bang
You really want Gordon? Gross.

[LakerHater]

Joakim Noah will sign with the #Knicks (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Knicks?src=hash) and reunite with Derrick Rose via @TimBontemps (https://twitter.com/TimBontemps)

[HarlemHeat37]

Solid season comparative to who, Evan Turner? He was worse than Tony Parker and people here have the audacity to complain about Tony's play. Must be one of those intangible things that doesn't show up in the box score I guess. Dat double standard! :lol When Wade gets paid and he will, Parker's contract will look like a bargain.

21-6-4 in the playoffs with a 23 PER and a decent 53% TS as the #1 option on a broken team that was 1 game away from the ECFs..very solid performance..

I'm not a fan of current Wade's game, but he had a great playoff run..

[raybies]

Joakim Noah will sign with the #Knicks (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Knicks?src=hash) and reunite with Derrick Rose via @TimBontemps (https://twitter.com/TimBontemps)

As much flack as Stephen A Smith gives Phil, I think Phil is doing a pretty decent job with what he was given.

[Snaq O'Meal]

He's not cheaper, no is he an alternative. LJC has a guaranteed deal. He's not going anyway unless PATFO turn real bitch-made all the sudden.

Many of us wanted PATFO to draft Inglis back in 2014. I hope they pick him up for the Summer League team just to see what he has to offer.

[BillMc]

As much flack as Stephen A Smith gives Phil, I think Phil is doing a pretty decent job with what he was given.

Generally true. He cleared up the financial situation, drafted Porzingis, and now has rose. And Stephen A is an idiot.

But Dolan's hope, I guess, when he started paying Phil 12 million a year (or whatever) was that his rep would bring major FA's to the table. And last I checked the last two prime FA's (LMA and now Durant) weren't really interested. More Dolan's error than Phil's obviously.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Yup. There is some danger to GS if Barnes/Festus sign offer sheets really early. Team would have 3 days to decide and if KD has not made a decision they will have a choice to make.


Unlikely, even with a shorter moratorium. Unless KD trolls everyone and drags this beyond July 10th.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Go right and blow your money him guys.

Phrasing... phrasing, Lana, phrasing! :lmao

[raybies]

Generally true. He cleared up the financial situation, drafted Porzingis, and now has rose. And Stephen A is an idiot.

But Dolan's hope, I guess, when he started paying Phil 12 million a year (or whatever) was that his rep would bring major FA's to the table. And last I checked the last two prime FA's (LMA and now Durant) weren't really interested. More Dolan's error than Phil's obviously.

The Knicks are a big market but Is it fair to say they aren't a desirable location. Now if Phil was in Miami things might be different, or maybe even Los Angeles. But as for new York, I wouldn't want to play there. The fans are harsh, the climate is cold and it's a mega city, not to mention the organization is poorly run. At least with Phil there hasn't really been any head scratching moves. He has steadily improved the Knicks hopes and improved the rep imo. On paper next year's lineup looks pretty good but we'll see. Closest thing to a head scratching move he did was hire hornacek as coach but he's decent. I think they should hired thibs. But Jeff has vision offensively so if they can play D and stay healthy they could be top 4 in the East.

Rose
Lee
Anthony
Porzingis
Noah

This lineup or close should be pretty good.

[BillMc]

This lineup or close should be pretty good.

True, but is Noah at this point any better than Lopez was?

[raybies]

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[raybies]

True, but is Noah at this point any better than Lopez was?

Yeah it's a wash imo but without Lopez they need someone. The price tag is a lil steep but it's the new climate.

[tbdog]

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I told you guys, Thunder will go for him. And I will say this - if Warriors get Durant or Thunder get Horford and keep Durant, it does not matter what we do. Those teams would straight up be better than us.

[TheGreatYacht]

I told you guys, Thunder will go for him. And I will say this - if Warriors get Durant or Thunder get Horford and keep Durant, it does not matter what we do. Those teams would straight up be better than us.
Horford is one of the poorest rebounders in the league man, at least we'll have that going for us. I'm going to feel bad for whatever team pays him max money.

[TheGreatYacht]

Pop doesn't know what he has in Boban..... Better than Whiteside.

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[tbdog]

Horford is one of the poorest rebounders in the league man, at least we'll have that going for us. I'm going to feel bad for whatever team pays him max money.

I am not going to argue about his contract he will get but he is a solid player, and he has played out of position his whole career, including the last few years with a undersized pf next to him. Playing besides Adams, a legit 7ft force, and two dominate scorers, would be extremely difficult to match. It would take Thunder losing Kanter and another minor piece to get the right numbers to work. Essentially it would be trading Ibaka and Kanter for Victor and Horford. That is a clear upgrade with better balance.

[BatManu20]

Joakim Noah to the Knicks is confirmed. They're reportedly going to pay him $18M a year... :lol

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

Joakim Noah to the Knicks is confirmed. They're reportedly going to pay him $18M a year... :lol

Jesus Fucking Christ...

[BatManu20]

Phil Jackson :lol

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[Snaq O'Meal]

Pop doesn't know what he has in Boban..... Better than Whiteside.

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Wow... Noah is garbage!

[SAGirl]

I am not going to argue about his contract he will get but he is a solid player, and he has played out of position his whole career, including the last few years with a undersized pf next to him. Playing besides Adams, a legit 7ft force, and two dominate scorers, would be extremely difficult to match. It would take Thunder losing Kanter and another minor piece to get the right numbers to work. Essentially it would be trading Ibaka and Kanter for Victor and Horford. That is a clear upgrade with better balance.
That's a scary team. It's actually not good for the league to have these mega teams that are going to come out of the sudden rises in cap.
I could be humble and tell you if it was my team that was facing the possibility to gather that much talent in one off-season, I would be ecstatic, bc I would. But there are teams in the league that are entirely role players in comparison and it's not just the 76ers. The current Magic, the Lakers, the apparently rebuilding Bulls... just Jimmy Butler and he's in the trading block reportedly, the Bucks, Phoenix. And these are team whose best players are pretty much by themselves with a weird cast of youngsters. Too much concentration of talent in a couple of teams. I definitely don't want to see Atlanta go to shit too.

[BillMc]

Phil Jackson :lol

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How can they negotiate before the moratorium ends?

[SAGirl]

How does Noah at 18 mill makes Pau Gasol look? How about Boban?
Maybe our big FA acquisition is Boban. I am all for it but if that's the case: play him Pop!

[Nathan89]

DMC telling me Duncan isn't worth 6mil:lmao

[r0drig0lac]

Eric Gordon is crap

[Jdspur20]

Phil Jackson :lol

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:lol

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Get used to the ridiculous FA salaries this year. Good players will get the max, useful role players 10-20mil. It'll break your brain if you don't prepare for it, but the new NBA has a $100mil salary cap. $10mil+ will be standard for 4-7th players from here on in. That's why Green is such good value.

[NikosChelsea7]

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[SpursFan86]

Anyone have any ideas on how OKC would be able to make room for Horford?

[tbdog]

Kanter will be dumped, then they are damn close. Renounce Waiters for example. And they are pretty close to being complete.

[BillMc]

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Cheers. :bobo Spurs are looking for every import possible.

[NikosChelsea7]

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[Chinook]

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With Duncan potentially getting paid not to play, I don't think this is all that realistic. He didn't make a lot of money last season, but still, I don't see the team having that salary open.

[raybies]

What's it say!? Translators assemble.

[Chinook]

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Manu straight trolling with that post.

[NikosChelsea7]

With Duncan potentially getting paid not to play, I don't think this is all that realistic. He didn't make a lot of money last season, but still, I don't see the team having that salary open.

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This article states that he is Boban insurance.

[Chinook]

What's it say!? Translators assemble.

Nothing pertinent to him coming back. It's a list of cool things. And he is starting to train, apparently. The trainer is from SA, but I doubt they're from the Spurs.

[raybies]

Nothing pertinent to him coming back. It's a list of cool things. And he is starting to train, apparently. The trainer is from SA, but I doubt they're from the Spurs.

Ok thanks!

[Chinook]

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This article states that he is Boban insurance.

Indeed. He had career highs last season after sort of falling by the wayside for a few years. I'm just not sure that he makes sense for the team, though I imagine Boban making huge money somewhere else would be a great selling point to other guys they're trying to bring over.

[Texas_Ranger]

First Lorbek and now Bourousis... if this was only 5 years ago...

[BillMc]

Indeed. He had career highs last season after sort of falling by the wayside for a few years. I'm just not sure that he makes sense for the team, though I imagine Boban making huge money somewhere else would be a great selling point to other guys they're trying to bring over.

I know nothing about him other than the Spurs tried to get him once before. The previous article claims he's the best center in Europe. If so, surely, that would make him even better than Boban?

[Chinook]

I know nothing about him other than the Spurs tried to get him once before. The previous article claims he's the best center in Europe. If so, surely, that would make him even better than Boban?

I don't know much about him, but I have heard that. It doesn't look to be true, though. Bourousis doesn't have Boban's unbelievable size. I don't think he'd be near the terror Marjanovic is. He can shoot, though.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I know nothing about him other than the Spurs tried to get him once before. The previous article claims he's the best center in Europe. If so, surely, that would make him even better than Boban?

Bourousis is a significantly better player than Boban and Bertans are right now. He'd suffer from the same issues Boban does though - he's too slow on defense, can't guard the PnR and can't recover in time. Offensively though, he'd be a great weapon - he's a great low post scorer, can shoot 3s and is a very good passer.

[siraulo23]

Isnt bourosis old af now? :lol

and we need el nono to translate that manu article

[Chinook]

Bourousis is a significantly better player than Boban and Bertans are right now. He'd suffer from the same issues Boban does though - he's too slow on defense, can't guard the PnR and can't recover in time. Offensively though, he'd be a great weapon - he's a great low post scorer, can shoot 3s and is a very good passer.

I would hope if the Spurs sign him that you're correct. But seven-footers with still aren't all that rare in the league. Nor are PnP bigs. Boban being 7-3 transcends the difficulty curb. I mean, Al Jefferson is a tremendously skilled big and would absolutely crush it in Europe, but he's borderline unplayable in the NBA nowadays.

[Chinook]

Isnt bourosis old af now? :lol

and we need el nono to translate that manu article

He's 32 just like Lorbek.

[Chinook]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2jR0WXLA48

[r0drig0lac]

Bourousis is a significantly better player than Boban and Bertans are right now. He'd suffer from the same issues Boban does though - he's too slow on defense, can't guard the PnR and can't recover in time. Offensively though, he'd be a great weapon - he's a great low post scorer, can shoot 3s and is a very good passer.

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[raybies]

Bourousis is a significantly better player than Boban and Bertans are right now. He'd suffer from the same issues Boban does though - he's too slow on defense, can't guard the PnR and can't recover in time. Offensively though, he'd be a great weapon - he's a great low post scorer, can shoot 3s and is a very good passer.

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Spot on scouting report. He played with Hanga and Bertans. Came off the bench and was very effective with his very valuable skillet. Personally I'd rather have him over Boban. I mean if your gonna have two slow for defenders coming off the bench why not have the one can shoot the three ball.

[szkorhetz]

Bourousis is a significantly better player than Boban and Bertans are right now. He'd suffer from the same issues Boban does though - he's too slow on defense, can't guard the PnR and can't recover in time. Offensively though, he'd be a great weapon - he's a great low post scorer, can shoot 3s and is a very good passer.
So basically Gasol.

[BillMc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2jR0WXLA48


Bourousis is a significantly better player than Boban and Bertans are right now. He'd suffer from the same issues Boban does though - he's too slow on defense, can't guard the PnR and can't recover in time. Offensively though, he'd be a great weapon - he's a great low post scorer, can shoot 3s and is a very good passer.


I don't know much about him, but I have heard that. It doesn't look to be true, though. Bourousis doesn't have Boban's unbelievable size. I don't think he'd be near the terror Marjanovic is. He can shoot, though.

Cheers guys. It's obvious with the ballooning of salaries this year that the Spurs' strategy is to mine foreign assets/players who are willing to break into the league at a reasonable price. It seems like a sound strategy, tbh. Not only do we have the rights to many foreign players, but we've cultivated an image as a good place to land for overseas players, so we are a first look for many who have their pick of teams. Winning a lot, of course, helps too.

We may be seeing the return of the Foreign Legion.

[NikosChelsea7]

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[TheGreatYacht]

Lorbek and Bourousis. Holy crap. We really are doomed.

[Seventyniner]

Unlikely, even with a shorter moratorium. Unless KD trolls everyone and drags this beyond July 10th.

If Durant really wants to stay and maximize his chances at winning the title, he totally should drag things out with both the Warriors and Spurs. Force the Warriors to let Barnes go by waiting out the 3-day RFA window, have the Spurs trade Green for cap space, wait for the Thunder to dump Kanter and come to an agreement with Horford (something they would likely do whether Durant stays or goes), then re-sign for either 5 years or the 1+1 while his two biggest West rivals get weaker.

[Chinook]

If Durant really wants to stay and maximize his chances at winning the title, he totally should drag things out with both the Warriors and Spurs. Force the Warriors to let Barnes go by waiting out the 3-day RFA window, have the Spurs trade Green for cap space, wait for the Thunder to dump Kanter and come to an agreement with Horford (something they would likely do whether Durant stays or goes), then re-sign for either 5 years or the 1+1 while his two biggest West rivals get weaker.

Not to mention that Durant only has to wait until 7/6, as the cap space is lost once the offer sheet is signed, not when it's matched. That said, I think there would be major repercussions if Durant purposefully pulled a Jordan, and I think he'd have to go that far to get the Spurs to trade the players they need to to make room for Durant.

[ceperez]

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So, does he play like a bigger Kevin Love?

[Keepin' it real]

I told you guys, Thunder will go for him. And I will say this - if Warriors get Durant or Thunder get Horford and keep Durant, it does not matter what we do. Those teams would straight up be better than us.

B-b-but I thought everyone was spellbound by the Warriors and going small ball??

[rjv]

there's more speculation on this thread than there was on wall street right before the crash.

[BatManu20]

Knicks going after anyone and everyone.

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[NASpurs]

Knicks going after anyone and everyone.

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:lmao please get Gordon. That backcourt would last 1/4 of the season on the court and 3/4 on the bench injured.

[Keepin' it real]

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Is this the guy who was supposed to be the Spurs' "savior" about 5 years ago?

[BatManu20]

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[Iakchos Kadmos]

Is this the guy who was supposed to be the Spurs' "savior" about 5 years ago?

Are you speak of most amazing VSpan?

[SPURt]

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Interesting to read the part about Hanga being such a respected defender in Europe. Bourousis's skill set sounds like a great passing, three point shooting 7 footer that can rebound but will not be able to defend. I hope he doesn't turn into a Greek version of Matt Bonner.

[Chinook]

Interesting to read the part about Hanga being such a respected defender in Europe.

Dude's legit. People keep wanting to write him off, but he'd be awesome to have in camp.

[NASpurs]

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[Chinook]

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Cool, so Jones is on the market. Wonder what it would take to get him back to his form from a couple of seasons ago. Dude'd be a great fit for the starting lineup if that happened.

[NASpurs]

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[SpursFan86]

Can't see Mozgov coming at a price the Spurs could afford.

[sasaint]

Cool, so Jones is on the market. Wonder what it would take to get him back to his form from a couple of seasons ago. Dude'd be a great fit for the starting lineup if that happened.

I believe all it would take for Jones to regain his form is a change of scenery. Get him away from the Toxic Rockets and he would be a very good player - especially on the Spurs.

[bklynspursfan]

Patty 0_o

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[Seventyniner]

Cool, so Jones is on the market. Wonder what it would take to get him back to his form from a couple of seasons ago. Dude'd be a great fit for the starting lineup if that happened.

It would take a drastic improvement for him to start. His game does fit well as a low-usage dirty work guy like Danny. However he'd either have to play center or LMA would have to acknowlege that he basically is a center in "Today's NBA :lol".

As a flier, it would depend on the salary. He has enough of a track record that I doubt he'll be cheap.

[NASpurs]

I believe all it would take for Jones to regain his form is a change of scenery. Get him away from the Toxic Rockets and he would be a very good player - especially on the Spurs.

I would take Terrance Jones. He seems like the type of player that Pop wants and he would wreck havoc with Kawhi and Aldridge, all of this is assuming that a scenery change is all he needs. Maybe you don't have to break the bank for him seeing as he's coming from a down season.

[NASpurs]

Patty 0_o

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:lol is he going to play linebacker for the Spurs?

Good for Patty though, I hope he tears it up next season.

[gambit1990]

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surprised considering they had traded montie to the pistons (i know it got rescinded). i guess his back is all better/wasn't that much of a problem?

[JuneJive]

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[RD2191]

Patty 0_o

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If only these foreign scrubs would put the same amount of work in for the Spurs then we might have an extra ring or two.

[Chinook]

It would take a drastic improvement for him to start. His game does fit well as a low-usage dirty work guy like Danny. However he'd either have to play center or LMA would have to acknowlege that he basically is a center in "Today's NBA :lol".

As a flier, it would depend on the salary. He has enough of a track record that I doubt he'll be cheap.

Well, it really depends on what you mean by him playing center. The dude is a slasher who can create a bit with the ball in his hands, though mostly for himself. So if you mean that he would have to be a roll-man who rebounds and finishes around the basket, I think he'd be great at it, with the added benefit of him being good spotting up (mostly because he had the handles to attack close-outs).

Defensively, he's more of a Thad Young-type of player. He can get away with guarding some threes. He wouldn't check a lot of fives, but he could probably get away with guarding guys like Griffin or Davis. His block rate is actually pretty good (he'd be basically tied with Duncan for first on the Spurs last year -- if you don't count Butler). So I don't think defense is the issue people would assume it is.

Would LMA have to adjust? Probably. But if the Spurs keep Boban or get another big center off the bench, then it's really no different.

[NASpurs]

If only these foreign scrubs would put the same amount of work in for the Spurs then we might have an extra ring or two.

Can you imagine if the fat two French fucks did offseason work like that? :wow

[loveforthegame]

Is there a center the Spurs are not interested in?

[SpursFan86]

I don't know how I'd feel about Terrence Jones. Obviously it'd depend on the price, but he's been injured a lot recently and even when he has played, he hasn't been too impressive.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I like Jones's play. Surprised Rockets are letting him go.

[gambit1990]

I like Jones's play. Surprised Rockets are letting him go.

[Chinook]

I don't know how I'd feel about Terrence Jones. Obviously it'd depend on the price, but he's been injured a lot recently and even when he has played, he hasn't been too impressive.

Yeah, and his injuries have been pretty scary (like nerve damage and shit). That obviously makes him a risk, but it also explains why last year was a down season. He was just trying to work his way back.

[NASpurs]

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I hope the Rockets sign Horford. Keeps him away from the Thunder and makes it less appealing for T. Jones to stay there.

[AFBlue]

I don't know how I'd feel about Terrence Jones. Obviously it'd depend on the price, but he's been injured a lot recently and even when he has played, he hasn't been too impressive.

He has terrorized the Spurs in the past, and they seem to remember players that do that to them. He has a versatile skillset, a la Boris Diaw, but he also suffers the same comparison from the negative side (not always engaged).

If Boris were traded and Jones came in at a more reasonable price, I think he'd be a great fit...just not sure either of those things are possible.

[BillMc]

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I hope the Rockets sign Horford. Keeps him away from the Thunder and makes it less appealing for T. Jones to stay there.

If the money is close or the same no way Holford ditches his old coach to go to the trainwreck that is Houston, I think. Though, like you, I'd prefer if he did.

[gambit1990]

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if he's putting that much work in the gym i'd imagine he's putting a lot of time into his shot.

[Chinook]

He has terrorized the Spurs in the past, and they seem to remember players that do that to them. He has a versatile skillset, a la Boris Diaw, but he also suffers the same comparison from the negative side (not always engaged).

If Boris were traded and Jones came in at a more reasonable price, I think he'd be a great fit...just not sure either of those things are possible.

What about trading Diaw for Jones? I don't care as much about the contract so long as the Spurs don't use cap space. But Jones has played like a total of 80 games over the past two seasons. That's the major concern for me.

[NASpurs]

For those that wanted Nando back... :lol

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[RD2191]

Can you imagine if the fat two French fucks did offseason work like that? :wow

:lol

[gambit1990]

mills led the 2012 olympics in scoring.

his shooting hasn't been the same since surgery. he'll get it back.

[AFBlue]

What about trading Diaw for Jones? I don't care as much about the contract so long as the Spurs don't use cap space. But Jones has played like a total of 80 games over the past two seasons. That's the major concern for me.

Not a bad idea...

Pros: He's younger, more athletic and consistently in shape.

Cons: He's oft-injured, not always engaged and will have just received a contract (goes to complacency).

Part of me (the admittedly biased part) is hopeful that Boris shows up strong in a contract year for likely his last NBA contract. I don't know if you could count on either, but I'd be inclined to go with the "devil I know."

[BatManu20]

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[Mnky]

Dude's legit. People keep wanting to write him off, but he'd be awesome to have in camp.

He isn't consistent though. And his horrible shooting averages would be worse if not for a couple games he got really hot. He also struggles at times to get to the rim against his current competition. His offense is just so lackluster, it makes it hard to bring him. Simmons legit is a better offensive threat with the same intangibles. That says something about hangas lack of offense. However I do want to see him, and wish the spurs would develop him here. Sure he would grow much faster.

[Mnky]

If only these foreign scrubs would put the same amount of work in for the Spurs then we might have an extra ring or two.

It might have been his shoulder holding him back tbh. Shoulder Injuries can effect both sides of the upper body.
It would be nice if he got his stroke back. He threw up way more air balls than I ever remember him doing.

[bklynspursfan]

mills led the 2012 olympics in scoring.

his shooting hasn't been the same since surgery. he'll get it back.

Agreed.. I think we'll see a bounce back season from him

[tholdren]

Agreed.. I think we'll see a bounce back season from him
I would be interested to see his workout plan. Shoulder injuries in basketball, for a shooter, is more than just the shoulder. He seems to have a work ethic, glad to see him getting bigger. Get on the squats and deadlift pat - db step-ups = Richard Simmons.

[DPG21920]

Unlikely, even with a shorter moratorium. Unless KD trolls everyone and drags this beyond July 10th.

Agreed

[Nathan89]

The skill-set of a healthy Terrence Jones would be ideal in the Spurs lineup. His ability to dribble is an essential need of any big we play next to LMA and Danny Green. They Biyombo's of the world just won't fit. T. Jones also has skill and size to make it difficult to switch smaller guy on him which is important in this league. Not really sure how he is health wise though which is the deciding factor.

[DPG21920]

TJ would be a lower key but worthwhile addition. He will probably have solid demand too. Might be one of those early signed lower key FA that get done 1st day while other teams chase bigger fish.

[DPG21920]

I know he's overrated (still a good player) & going to get max/near max, but I'm surprised no Batum to SA rumors.

[Chinook]

TJ would be a lower key but worthwhile addition. He will probably have solid demand too. Might be one of those early signed lower key FA that get done 1st day while other teams chase bigger fish.

Rockets fans think the team didn't tender him because there was a legit chance he'd sign the QO. I don't know what to think about that. I was willing to accept him on something around Diaw's salary. If he's really closer to being priced at half that, it changes the way the off-season is breaking down for sure.

Incidentally (and I know I'll catch flak for this), I think Parsons would be a really interesting addition to the team. He's an awkward stretch-four but from what I hear, he was good there. And he has the perimeter skills the team desperately needs.

[Chinook]

I know he's overrated (still a good player) & going to get max/near max, but I'm surprised no Batum to SA rumors.

Are there any Batum rumors? I thought he pulled a DeRozan (before DeRozan pulled a DeRozan) and said he was re-signing with Charlotte.

[MaNu4Tres]

TJ would be a lower key but worthwhile addition. He will probably have solid demand too. Might be one of those early signed lower key FA that get done 1st day while other teams chase bigger fish.

Spurs can probably get Boursosis and Terrance Jones for the same price of Gasol (12-15 mil). Give me Boursosis and T. Jones, please. Love Jones' skill set, size, length, agility, age -- he'd be a nice piece moving forward w/ Leonard/Aldridge/Green.

[DPG21920]

Rockets fans think the team didn't tender him because there was a legit chance he'd sign the QO. I don't know what to think about that. I was willing to accept him on something around Diaw's salary. If he's really closer to being priced at half that, it changes the way the off-season is breaking down for sure.

Incidentally (and I know I'll catch flak for this), I think Parsons would be a really interesting addition to the team. He's an awkward stretch-four but from what I hear, he was good there. And he has the perimeter skills the team desperately needs.

We will see with TJ. Rocket fans probably jaded from the shit show that is Houston. I think outside of HOU people remember TJs upside and good play and probably discount this year some with the injuries and turmoil.

The fact he's completely unrestricted and can sign right away is huge along with the fact he fits nearly every team. But in this market I would be shocked if he was not at least a mid-level exception type guy.

[NikosChelsea7]

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[Chinook]

Spurs can probably get Boursosis and Terrance Jones for the same price of Gasol (12-15 mil). Give me Boursosis and T. Jones, please. Love Jones' skill set, size, length, agility, age -- he'd be a nice piece moving forward w/ Leonard/Aldridge/Green.

Wait. You actually agree with me on a player for once?

[DPG21920]

Are there any Batum rumors? I thought he pulled a DeRozan (before DeRozan pulled a DeRozan) and said he was re-signing with Charlotte.

Not quite / I'm reading he's meeting with both Dallas & LAL

[look_at_g_shred]

Rockets fans think the team didn't tender him because there was a legit chance he'd sign the QO. I don't know what to think about that. I was willing to accept him on something around Diaw's salary. If he's really closer to being priced at half that, it changes the way the off-season is breaking down for sure.

Incidentally (and I know I'll catch flak for this), I think Parsons would be a really interesting addition to the team. He's an awkward stretch-four but from what I hear, he was good there. And he has the perimeter skills the team desperately needs.
I'd love Parsons on the team.

[DPG21920]

Oh & while I like Parsons game enough he strikes me as the lowest key cancer around. Somethings off with that dudes attitude.

[NikosChelsea7]

Not quite / I'm reading he's meeting with both Dallas & LAL

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[Keepin' it real]

I'd love Parsons on the team.

The Parsons who is always injured. The one who practically stole millions from Mark Cuban the past couple of seasons. That Parsons?

[szkorhetz]

Not a bad idea...

Pros: He's younger, more athletic and consistently in shape.

Cons: He's oft-injured, not always engaged and will have just received a contract (goes to complacency).

Part of me (the admittedly biased part) is hopeful that Boris shows up strong in a contract year for likely his last NBA contract. I don't know if you could count on either, but I'd be inclined to go with the "devil I know."
Why would Houston do that?
D's system needs speed...

[timtonymanu]

:lol Parsons wants the max, no fucking thanks

[Chinook]

Oh & while I like Parsons game enough he strikes me as the lowest key cancer around. Somethings off with that dudes attitude.

I think he desperately wants to be a star (lol and a model) and so he comes off whiny that no one really thinks of him that way. He's not a great fit for the Spurs' culture. But at the same time, maybe being in a lower-key situation would be good for him.

[Chinook]

:lol Parsons wants the max, no fucking thanks

Eh, his max isn't that big. The Spurs can't really get there now that Tim opted in, but they could probably make a competitive offer without losing many guys.

[NikosChelsea7]

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[Nathan89]

Isn't Parsons going to be worth too much for the Spurs? He's still too young for some team not to overpay him. Luol Deng would probably be the only option for small ball pf.

[montgod]

I'd love Parsons on the team.

No thanks.. rather have Batum over him.

[Chinook]

Isn't Parsons going to be worth too much for the Spurs? He's still too young for some team not to overpay him. Luol Deng would probably be the only option for small ball pf.

Deng may well end up making more than Parsons.

[NASpurs]

Introducing the 2016 NBA Free Agency All-Bargain Teams

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/introducing-the-2016-nba-free-agency-all-bargain-teams-163726379.html

[Nathan89]

Deng may well end up making more than Parsons.

Perhaps. Either way I'm in favor of a smallball option like Parsons or Deng. I think it's the only way for the offense to work with Green and LMA.

[NASpurs]

Chinook, do you still want Clarkson? From the article that I posted above:

G: Jordan Clarkson

See what I mean by shallow guard waters in this year’s free-agent class? Beyond Mike Conley, who will get a max contract from someone, there’s not much beyond a 34-year-old Dwyane Wade and the oft-injured Bradley Beal, both of whom will most likely land mega-deals to stay with their current teams.

Because Clarkson is restricted and the Lakers only own his early-Bird rights, he meets the Gilbert Arenas provision, meaning other teams can only offer a mid-level exception for the first two seasons. However, any team who really wants the 24-year-old’s services can drop poison pills on the final two years of the deal — up to his max salary. It probably won’t come to that for a team who really wants to steal him from Los Angeles, especially since the Lakers are chasing bigger names, and there’s a salary sweet spot somewhere that makes Clarkson’s 17.3 points per 36 minutes a valuable commodity.

[Chinook]

Chinook (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557), do you still want Clarkson?

Yes, I do. Though now that the team drafted Murray, Clarkson's appeal is lessened. They are too similar and aren't a long-term fit, I don't think.


Because Clarkson is restricted and the Lakers only own his early-Bird rights, he meets the Gilbert Arenas provision, meaning other teams can only offer a mid-level exception for the first two seasons.

This is incorrect (and yes, I know it's the article, not you). Clarkson is an Arenas RFA because he has two or fewer accrued seasons in the NBA. It has nothing to due with Bird rights. The Spurs only had EB rights to Green in 2012, and he was just a regular RFA.

[NASpurs]

Yes, I do. Though now that the team drafted Murray, Clarkson's appeal is lessened. They are too similar and aren't a long-term fit, I don't think.



This is incorrect (and yes, I know it's the article, not you). Clarkson is an Arenas RFA because he has two or fewer accrued seasons in the NBA. It has nothing to due with Bird rights. The Spurs only had EB rights to Green in 2012, and he was just a regular RFA.

Yeah I was on the Clarkson hype train before the draft and now there's more glaring holes that need fixing than PG (It's not like it's been fixed though). Plus like you said, those two have similar games so it wouldn't make much sense having two of the same thing. And along with the current situation of the cap space, the Spurs are pretty much tied up unless they made trades. Anyway yeah, it seems like it would be a waste of money personally to go for Clarkson now. There's bigger needs.

[NASpurs]

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2016/06/30/spurs-to-guarantee-jonathon-simmons-contract/

Spurs to guarantee Jonathon Simmons’ contract

[raybies]

While Terrence Jones might make a good value contact, with Boris and Livio pf is full. Aldridge needs a true center to start with. He's most comfortable playing the four imo where he has a size advantage. Not to mention if Durant resigns with OKC, their size will still be a problem as well as lac. These are most likely second round opponents so we need to get through them first.

As for borrousis, I think we only want him if Duncan retires, someone like Pau or mozgov gets signed and we have to let boban go. Can't have him and boban for defensive purposes. I can't say it enough, we need mobile centers like Milutinov more.

[Chinook]

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2016/06/30/spurs-to-guarantee-jonathon-simmons-contract/

Spurs to guarantee Jonathon Simmons’ contract

Dude is so damned fragile. Was probably going to lay an egg in the summer league if they hadn't. And I know people think I'm trolling or hating, but it's the damned truth.

[TheGreatYacht]

Dude is so damned fragile. Was probably going to lay an egg in the summer league if they hadn't. And I know people think I'm trolling or hating, but it's the damned truth.
You're trolling, I would know :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Glad Simmons is back, now we have a SG that can at least bring the ball up the floor

[NikosChelsea7]

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[AFBlue]

Why would Houston do that?
D's system needs speed...

Not necessarily saying they would, but it should be noted Diaw at the 5 was a centerpiece of the D'Antoni Suns squad.

[objective]

Keeping Simmons is the smartest thing the Spurs will do this summer.

[NASpurs]

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[DPG21920]

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[raybies]

:pop: you either sign with us or don't, life goes on

[AFBlue]

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Meh. He's only heard one pitch so far and it's the hometown team. I'm guessing his outlook might be different after hearing from six other teams about how he could be the key to an epic run of multiple championships.

Not saying the report is inaccurate, but it's a snapshot in time that could change drastically in just a day or two.

[DPG21920]

I mean, I think even the teams outside of OKC meeting with him knew it's very unlikely that he leaves OKC - this just gives a little more context into the mindset.

[Duncan2177]

Meh. He's only heard one pitch so far and it's the hometown team. I'm guessing his outlook might be different after hearing from six other teams about how he could be the key to an epic run of multiple championships.

Not saying the report is inaccurate, but it's a snapshot in time that could change drastically in just a day or two.

It's just wishful thinking by ESPN.

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

I mean, I think even the teams outside of OKC meeting with him knew it's very unlikely that he leaves OKC - this just gives a little more context into the mindset.

Agreed...I wasn't seriously counting on the chances of Durant jumping ship either but it is exciting that the Spurs at least will get a chance to see how it goes and what happens...

[Nathan89]

While Terrence Jones might make a good value contact, with Boris and Livio pf is full. Aldridge needs a true center to start with. He's most comfortable playing the four imo where he has a size advantage. Not to mention if Durant resigns with OKC, their size will still be a problem as well as lac. These are most likely second round opponents so we need to get through them first.

As for borrousis, I think we only want him if Duncan retires, someone like Pau or mozgov gets signed and we have to let boban go. Can't have him and boban for defensive purposes. I can't say it enough, we need mobile centers like Milutinov more.

The spurs won't have a size problem with LMA at center vs LAC. He should be able to post-up Jordan. More importantly though he'll take Jordan out of the paint. LMA at center works best with a pg that can take advantage of centers that don't want to come out though. At the moment we don't have one.

Aldridge may need a center to best maximize his post game but the team will not function with a true center.

[Nathan89]

It'd be an awful decision for him to leave OKC. You don't leave a contender. One title in OKC will feel better than 4 with GSW.

[RD2191]

It'd be an awful decision for him to leave OKC. You don't leave a contender. One title in OKC will feel better than 4 with GSW.
I have to agree with this.

[raybies]

The spurs won't have a size problem with LMA at center vs LAC. He should be able to post-up Jordan. More importantly though he'll take Jordan out of the paint. LMA at center works best with a pg that can take advantage of centers that don't want to come out though. At the moment we don't have one.

Aldridge may need a center to best maximize his post game but the team will not function with a true center.

And who will Jones guard on defense, Blake or DeAndre? Thoughts. Imo he would get destroyed by either but in different ways. Blake could beat him off the dribble or bully him or DeAndre would eat him up on the boards. Maybe I'm picky but I don't want a liability to start a game. He should be fine with most teams but why prepare to fail in the playoffs. Offensively I think the fit for would be good, it's defensively against lac and okc that i worry about. Would rather have a more sound pairing next to LMA. How's his pnr defense? I don't remember. But I know with Pau he offers the size we desire but lacks the mobility. If we're talking bargain bin shopping I guess I could live with it but who else would we get? We already have alot of folks in the pipeline who's got next. I remember a few months ago we were talking like would we really have three rookies on the squad, now it looks like it's possible we could have more than that.

[BillMc]

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I used to be an executive recruiter (i.e. headhunter). Plenty of time we'd talk to people about switching jobs and they'd say "they were 99% sure" one way or the other about going or staying. From my experience when someone says "99%" it's actually about 50/50. That 1% out there means there is some issue in the air, and they wouldn't be talking to you if there wasn't a chance they'd leave. Durant has some real issues too. Maybe they've been solved by the moves just made (Ibaka, etc) and OKC should still be the favorite but I'd say there is at least a 30% chance he leaves, probably higher. One of these 5 outsider clubs will strike some chord with KD and it'll get real. I'm not saying he'll leave but the Thunder have plenty of reason to sweat the next few days,

[NikosChelsea7]

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[BatManu20]

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[raybies]

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Always liked Ryan Kelley. Don't think he can stay healthy though. Sign him to the Spurs. Austin that is.

[coachmac87]

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This is so dumb to me. Not sure if I blame the media or Durant. Why not just sign the +1 or whatever in OKC. Use yourself as leverage towards other free agents to get more assets like Horford etc. Why hold up the Thunder or make things harder?

[HarlemHeat37]

Looks like Luol Deng is near-100% gone from Miami..

[NASpurs]

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[Nathan89]

And who will Jones guard on defense, Blake or DeAndre? Thoughts. Imo he would get destroyed by either but in different ways. Blake could beat him off the dribble or bully him or DeAndre would eat him up on the boards. Maybe I'm picky but I don't want a liability to start a game. He should be fine with most teams but why prepare to fail in the playoffs. Offensively I think the fit for would be good, it's defensively against lac and okc that i worry about. Would rather have a more sound pairing next to LMA. How's his pnr defense? I don't remember. But I know with Pau he offers the size we desire but lacks the mobility. If we're talking bargain bin shopping I guess I could live with it but who else would we get? We already have alot of folks in the pipeline who's got next. I remember a few months ago we were talking like would we really have three rookies on the squad, now it looks like it's possible we could have more than that.

I honestly don't don't know how good at defense Jones is but rebounding isn't the factor I'm most interested in. Mobility is my most important factor. If he can't guard Blake then I'll live with him doing his best on Jordan. I just don't see any possible way we can survive against GSW if comeback with a lineup that doesn't have any dribble penetration like last year.

[Chinook]

And who will Jones guard on defense, Blake or DeAndre? Thoughts. Imo he would get destroyed by either but in different ways. Blake could beat him off the dribble or bully him or DeAndre would eat him up on the boards. Maybe I'm picky but I don't want a liability to start a game. He should be fine with most teams but why prepare to fail in the playoffs. Offensively I think the fit for would be good, it's defensively against lac and okc that i worry about. Would rather have a more sound pairing next to LMA. How's his pnr defense? I don't remember. But I know with Pau he offers the size we desire but lacks the mobility. If we're talking bargain bin shopping I guess I could live with it but who else would we get? We already have alot of folks in the pipeline who's got next. I remember a few months ago we were talking like would we really have three rookies on the squad, now it looks like it's possible we could have more than that.

I think you think Griffin is bigger than he is. Dude is just over 6-8 without shoes; Jones is a quarter-inch shorter. They're the same weight. Blake doesn't have a tremendous physical advantage. They are both nimble and mobile, so "staying in front" isn't the problem. Anyway, size is getting massively overrated on the board right now. The Spurs beat the Thunder if they have a healthy Terrance Jones on the bench rather than loafing Diaw and ice-cold West.

[HarlemHeat37]

Windhorst and Zach Lowe had a podcast today, both mentioned that the Spurs are probably a long shot for Durant, but that there will be a long list of suitors for Danny Green if they have to trade him(many teams are going to be waiting on the sidelines, rather than spending money, and waiting for castoffs from teams shedding salary for the bigger names like Durant)..

[coachmac87]

Windhorst and Zach Lowe had a podcast today, both mentioned that the Spurs are probably a long shot for Durant, but that there will be a long list of suitors for Danny Green if they have to trade him(many teams are going to be waiting on the sidelines, rather than spending money, and waiting for castoffs from teams shedding salary for the bigger names like Durant)..

I saw a poll on First Take with odds and it had Spurs last... Knicks with better odds this whole thing has become a joke tbh

[DPG21920]

I used to be an executive recruiter (i.e. headhunter). Plenty of time we'd talk to people about switching jobs and they'd say "they were 99% sure" one way or the other about going or staying. From my experience when someone says "99%" it's actually about 50/50. That 1% out there means there is some issue in the air, and they wouldn't be talking to you if there wasn't a chance they'd leave. Durant has some real issues too. Maybe they've been solved by the moves just made (Ibaka, etc) and OKC should still be the favorite but I'd say there is at least a 30% chance he leaves, probably higher. One of these 5 outsider clubs will strike some chord with KD and it'll get real. I'm not saying he'll leave but the Thunder have plenty of reason to sweat the next few days,

Good insights - nba works differently than the normal job world especially because there is usually not this much money difference in staying vs leaving (and I would imagine money is usually a bigger issue in the "real world" as reason for leaving a company).

But still good points. I mean, he's not helping OKC by taking meetings so I do believe he at least has curiosity in leaving. Just don't think it's likely because of history of FA's staying for money so many times (guys like LMA being outliers).

[NASpurs]

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[Keepin' it real]

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A few interesting names:

Cleanthony Early: A lot of spurstalkers were bummed when the Spurs drafted Kyle instead of him. Can the Spurs help him find his game? I never saw him play in the NBA the past couple of years. Was he that bad?

Bryce Cotton: Small but explosive. Like Patty 1.5

Ian Clark/James McAdoo: Those are two Warriors being cleared to make a run at KD, right? Didn't Clark have some bright spots this season?

[NikosChelsea7]

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[AFBlue]

I used to be an executive recruiter (i.e. headhunter). Plenty of time we'd talk to people about switching jobs and they'd say "they were 99% sure" one way or the other about going or staying. From my experience when someone says "99%" it's actually about 50/50. That 1% out there means there is some issue in the air, and they wouldn't be talking to you if there wasn't a chance they'd leave. Durant has some real issues too. Maybe they've been solved by the moves just made (Ibaka, etc) and OKC should still be the favorite but I'd say there is at least a 30% chance he leaves, probably higher. One of these 5 outsider clubs will strike some chord with KD and it'll get real. I'm not saying he'll leave but the Thunder have plenty of reason to sweat the next few days,

This thought process is what I was alluding to in my initial reaction. Once he meets with the teams he'll likely have a different outlook.

My personal opinion is that this tweet was meant as a set up for the next set of tweets sounding something like "Sources say Durant was 'blown away' by (insert team name here). Seriously considering joining up with (insert star players here)". It's all a ratings, click-bait game.

[Duncan2177]

I saw a poll on First Take with odds and it had Spurs last... Knicks with better odds this whole thing has become a joke tbh

The fucken knicks:lol

[Mugen]

Trading Danny without a virtual guarantee from KD that he's coming would close the championship window for the Kahwhi/LMA Spurs era tbh.

[TheGreatYacht]

A few interesting names:

Cleanthony Early: A lot of spurstalkers were bummed when the Spurs drafted Kyle instead of him. Can the Spurs help him find his game? I never saw him play in the NBA the past couple of years. Was he that bad?

Bryce Cotton: Small but explosive. Like Patty 1.5

Ian Clark/James McAdoo: Those are two Warriors being cleared to make a run at KD, right? Didn't Clark have some bright spots this season?
Cleanthony had knee surgery and then soon after got shot in the knee on an attempted robbery. His career is most likely done tbh unlucky

[DPG21920]

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Parson's straight up stole money from Cuban (and Dirk). Wanted to be the man, cries about touches, doesn't do squat except get injured and then leaves immediately as he can get another pay day and DAL knows he's a fraud.

Do not touch with a 1000 FT pole, SA.

[Chinook]

Parson's straight up stole money from Cuban (and Dirk). Wanted to be the man, cries about touches, doesn't do squat except get injured and then leaves immediately as he can get another pay day and DAL knows he's a fraud.

Do not touch with a 1000 FT pole, SA.

To be fair, Parsons was very arguably their best player last year, and he didn't get the ball enough. Of course neither of those things will be true on the Spurs, but Dallas should re-sign him unless they get both Conley and Whiteside. Wes Matthews held that team down a lot more than Parsons did.

[HarlemHeat37]

Parsons ends up in a random destination, if he doesn't go to the Lakers IMO..somewhere like Washington or Denver..

[dabom]

Parson's straight up stole money from Cuban (and Dirk). Wanted to be the man, cries about touches, doesn't do squat except get injured and then leaves immediately as he can get another pay day and DAL knows he's a fraud.

Do not touch with a 1000 FT pole, SA.Dude is a fraud. Wants MAX money. LOL.

[tholdren]

This is so dumb to me. Not sure if I blame the media or Durant. Why not just sign the +1 or whatever in OKC. Use yourself as leverage towards other free agents to get more assets like Horford etc. Why hold up the Thunder or make things harder?
Because he's a pussy - just like the other "men" who feel the need to be wooed. Make a decision, suit up, go to work. Enough said. Look what happened last time spurs had to play the game with a free agent softy.... spurs got a solid regular season player for the max, and a 4th Q disappearing act. Imagine what it would be like to be a player on the team chasing these pretenders.

[HarlemHeat37]

Because he's a pussy - just like the other "men" who feel the need to be wooed. Make a decision, suit up, go to work. Enough said. Look what happened last time spurs had to play the game with a free agent softy.... spurs got a solid regular season player for the max, and a 4th Q disappearing act. Imagine what it would be like to be a player on the team chasing these pretenders.
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[Ditty]

Looks like Luol Deng is near-100% gone from Miami..

Deng should be our number one target if we aren't successful trying to go after Horford. He would be that small ball 3/4 that we need. He wouldn't be too expensive also.

[tholdren]

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Would you work with or for someone who needed that to join your team/business? Says more about you than me tbh.

[HarlemHeat37]

Woj just said multiple teams are going to give TYLER JOHNSON 10+ mil per year as a RFA:lmao

It's going to be a fun off-season to follow..

[TD 21]

I think you think Griffin is bigger than he is. Dude is just over 6-8 without shoes; Jones is a quarter-inch shorter. They're the same weight. Blake doesn't have a tremendous physical advantage. They are both nimble and mobile, so "staying in front" isn't the problem. Anyway, size is getting massively overrated on the board right now. The Spurs beat the Thunder if they have a healthy Terrance Jones on the bench rather than loafing Diaw and ice-cold West.

A quality RFA being non tendered is almost unheard of. As always, I know the Rockets want to do something big, but they could have rescinded it if that comes to fruition or just not match should he have gotten an offer sheet. The fact that they did neither tells me they have serious concerns about his health.

Jones and Griffin might be listed as virtually the same size, but many listings are outdated or flat out incorrect. For example, Aldridge said he's 265, yet is still listed at 240. Griffin would easily overpower Jones, in the post.

Even if the Spurs beat the Thunder, they'd have lost to the Warriors.

[HarlemHeat37]

Tyler Johnson and E'Twuan Moore are going to get paid 10+ per year..

Jeremy Lin and Kent Bazemore might approach 20/year :lmao

[noles1983]

all these hacks getting retarded contracts makes me not want to support professional sports in any capacity

[HarlemHeat37]

Man, Kawhi Leonard is going to potentially be making less annual $ than Kent Bazemore, Jeremy Lin, etc..

Danny Green is going to potentially be making less than E'Twuan Moore and Tyler Johnson:lol

Even Aldridge's 20+ million is going to look like a bargain when you realize that broken Noah and Ryan Anderson are going to receive 18 mil/year or so..

Ridiculously good value from the Spurs' front office for the next 3-4 years..

Also, as much criticism as he receives nowadays, TP is going to return solid value next season, too..

[objective]

Woj just said multiple teams are going to give TYLER JOHNSON 10+ mil per year as a RFA:lmao

It's going to be a fun off-season to follow..

I believe it. On the Dunc'd On Podcast, which is one of the best ones despite the two hosts subtle Warrior homerism, they have thrown out numbers that are mind boggling. But realistic when you see the kind of money teams have. Savings don't roll over like select cell phone minutes or data.

That's why for the Spurs the best course would just be to sign all their decent stashes. BOBAN will get a big bid. And the other bigs the Spurs won't be able to afford. Mahinmi might get north of $15 million a year, and in the market he'll be with every penny. I doubt even Miles Plumlee is within the Spurs budget now that the reality is kicking in for teams.

Cheap guys like Milutinov, Bertans, and Hanga even will just be worth more on the bang for the buck despite being rookies

[Seventyniner]

Also, as much criticism as he receives nowadays, TP is going to return solid value next season, too..

Only in comparison to the deals we're about to see. Parker looks way overpaid compared to Leonard and Aldridge (and any other player still under contract).

Still, if Durant chooses any team but the Spurs, I don't think Parker's contract will have had the huge negative impact that some whiners here say.

[TD 21]

Sure, the money is eye popping, in many respects, but it's also irrelevant since it's all based on revenue generated and percentage of cap. It's not like they're pulling these numbers out of thin air.

[raybies]

Man, Kawhi Leonard is going to potentially be making less annual $ than Kent Bazemore, Jeremy Lin, etc..

Danny Green is going to potentially be making less than E'Twuan Moore and Tyler Johnson:lol

Even Aldridge's 20+ million is going to look like a bargain when you realize that broken Noah and Ryan Anderson are going to receive 18 mil/year or so..

Ridiculously good value from the Spurs' front office for the next 3-4 years..

Also, as much criticism as he receives nowadays, TP is going to return solid value next season, too..

But its taking massive jumps by the salary cap to mask it. :lol still true

[objective]

Trading Green's cheap contract without a public commitment from Durant would be suicide.

And Durant is not coming. It's a shame the Spurs have to waste their time and not even get Murray signed and into the summer league just so Durant can screw the Spurs around.

[HarlemHeat37]

I believe it. On the Dunc'd On Podcast, which is one of the best ones despite the two hosts subtle Warrior homerism, they have thrown out numbers that are mind boggling. But realistic when you see the kind of money teams have. Savings don't roll over like select cell phone minutes or data.

That's why for the Spurs the best course would just be to sign all their decent stashes. BOBAN will get a big bid. And the other bigs the Spurs won't be able to afford. Mahinmi might get north of $15 million a year, and in the market he'll be with every penny. I doubt even Miles Plumlee is within the Spurs budget now that the reality is kicking in for teams.

Cheap guys like Milutinov, Bertans, and Hanga even will just be worth more on the bang for the buck despite being rookies

+1 on the latter, it makes sense why the Spurs seem to going all-in on their Euro projects..somebody like Simmons could be great value, too, even if he's only a 9th or 10th man..

Boban's salary appears like it's going to be significantly more cost-effective than inferior players like Plumlee, etc..

[TheGoldStandard]

While Terrence Jones might make a good value contact, with Boris and Livio pf is full. Aldridge needs a true center to start with. He's most comfortable playing the four imo where he has a size advantage. Not to mention if Durant resigns with OKC, their size will still be a problem as well as lac. These are most likely second round opponents so we need to get through them first.

As for borrousis, I think we only want him if Duncan retires, someone like Pau or mozgov gets signed and we have to let boban go. Can't have him and boban for defensive purposes. I can't say it enough, we need mobile centers like Milutinov more.

Fuck Boris Diaw

[objective]

I disagree that Parker will be a solid value. He'll still be getting paid like a decent starter when he isn't one. Even with the cap at $94 million, his % of the cap is still too high.

[HarlemHeat37]

Sure, the money is eye popping, in many respects, but it's also irrelevant since it's all based on revenue generated and percentage of cap. It's not like they're pulling these numbers out of thin air.

Still, though, more flexibility in the short-term for teams like the Spurs, even if they don't get Durant..more opportunities to take fliers on low-cost projects from Europe that would normally take a higher % of the cap..

[objective]

As flawed as Parker is, he's still arguably a better player than somebody like Jeremy Lin, at least for the next season..

I would take Lin over Parker without blinking. Just my 2¢

[dabom]

Man, Kawhi Leonard is going to potentially be making less annual $ than Kent Bazemore, Jeremy Lin, etc..

Danny Green is going to potentially be making less than E'Twuan Moore and Tyler Johnson:lol

Even Aldridge's 20+ million is going to look like a bargain when you realize that broken Noah and Ryan Anderson are going to receive 18 mil/year or so..

Ridiculously good value from the Spurs' front office for the next 3-4 years..

Also, as much criticism as he receives nowadays, TP is going to return solid value next season, too..

TP is a negative player. I still don't think so...

[TD 21]

Still, though, more flexibility in the short-term for teams like the Spurs, even if they don't get Durant..more opportunities to take fliers on low-cost projects from Europe that would normally take a higher % of the cap..

They have no chance at Durant and none of the European projects has a high ceiling.

Flexibility sounds great, but the reality is, even next year they'll be hard pressed to find the dynamic, lead creator type guard they need to put them back in the tier with the Warriors, Thunder and Cavaliers.

Now, to be fair, there's more than likely nothing they can realistically do to solve that, but if all this amounts to in the long run is a cleaner cap sheet, who cares.

[DPG21920]

Tyler Johnson and E'Twuan Moore are going to get paid 10+ per year..

Jeremy Lin and Kent Bazemore might approach 20/year :lmao

Where you see that? Or watching on TV (what channel)?

Also, reading a lot about guys getting really huge 2 year deals - teams have to meet salary floor of 85M, have tons of money and it limits long-term risk...

[DPG21920]

Also, as many of have said, people need to look at contracts in relationship to percentage of the cap vs raw dollars as tough as that will be with our trained mindsets.

[DPG21920]

Also, Also, Also, while getting value will be tough and what SA is doing makes perfect sense, regardless of value SA needs more talent. Might be tough this year, but no later than next year. SA is in a tough spot - if they don't get a younger(ish) talented guy they like this year, they need to be very careful about eating too much into things next year.

But they also have to try their best to improve right now with LMA's age and a core that is used to winning.

[NASpurs]

I don't know, if a player like Lin really gets paid $20 mil a year, that's like 1/5 of the cap space for a team. Shit seems awfully high even thinking like that. :lol

[Kindergarten Cop]

It sounds as if I'm in the minority here, but I'm fairly confident we're right in the Championship mix with a few minor tweaks. Is it just me - or did most of the people here forget that the Spurs won more games last season than they had ever won before? Combine that with the fact that it took more than a third of the season for Aldridge to adjust to his role on the team. If not for an injury to Aldridge's shooting hand and horrendous officiating, it's not out of the realm of possibility to say that we could have advanced and pushed the Warriors in the WCF - and perhaps made it to the NBA Finals.

I realize that I may be a bit naive and perhaps a tad overly optimistic, but one would surmise that the Spurs had barely made the playoffs and were on the verge of being a lottery team if they were just going by the posts of most of people here. I refuse to believe that the sky is falling if Durant does not sign in SA (which was a long shot in the first place).

[TheGoldStandard]

It sounds as if I'm in the minority here, but I'm fairly confident we're right in the Championship mix with a few minor tweaks. Is it just me - or did most of the people here forget that the Spurs won more games last season than they had ever won before? Combine that with the fact that it took more than a third of the season for Aldridge to adjust to his role on the team. If not for an injury to Aldridge's shooting hand and horrendous officiating, it's not out of the realm of possibility to say that we could have advanced and pushed the Warriors in the WCF - and perhaps made it to the NBA Finals.

I realize that I may be a bit naive and perhaps a tad overly optimistic, but one would surmise that the Spurs had barely made the playoffs and were on the verge of being a lottery team if they were just going by the posts of most of people here. I refuse to believe that the sky is falling if Durant does not sign in SA (which was a long shot in the first place).

Regular season means nothing.. The Spurs didn't have an extra switch to kick in to gear when the going got tough. Most of the core guys we have are ancient and getting older.. We are second round fodder unless Pop lets Kawhi play 40 minutes a game during the regular season so he has his legs during the playoffs.

[coachmac87]

Because he's a pussy - just like the other "men" who feel the need to be wooed. Make a decision, suit up, go to work. Enough said. Look what happened last time spurs had to play the game with a free agent softy.... spurs got a solid regular season player for the max, and a 4th Q disappearing act. Imagine what it would be like to be a player on the team chasing these pretenders.

I've stated that KD is looking for a long term plan. Just going by his own words and actions but the media is fascinated by the cap and +1 but it just doesn't make sense to me if you're OKC or KD going that route. I think deep down he's looking for the best long term plan. I think OKC is somewhat in a panic mode with the Horford rumors..again trying to sell a long term plan. But I dunno how you can convince Horford to take less $$ and sign when KD and Westbrook aren't committed lol. But if KD actually just resigned either a 5yr or +1 in OKC they can move forward and try to get somebody like Horford etc.

Just doesn't make sense and it's crazy to me the media hasn't speculated more about Boston or SA who I think are ahead of GSW when it comes to landing KD.

[NASpurs]

Speaking of which:

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[coachmac87]

Regular season means nothing.. The Spurs didn't have an extra switch to kick in to gear when the going got tough. Most of the core guys we have are ancient and getting older.. We are second round fodder unless Pop lets Kawhi play 40 minutes a game during the regular season so he has his legs during the playoffs.

I'm pretty sure every game other than Game 1 (Spurs favor) and Game 6 (Thunder favor) came down to the 4th...and if I recall correctly the league admitted the Spurs got screwed out of 2 (Game 2, Game 5).

You don't know shit about basketball tbh.

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/494686813202546689/jeeM5jMw_bigger.jpeg Adrian Wojnarowski Verified account ‏@WojVerticalNBA (https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA)

Sources: NBA's been calling GM's today, probing on reports of FA meetings already set for Friday. "Rules" prohibit contact before midnight.

[TheGoldStandard]

I'm pretty sure every game other than Game 1 (Spurs favor) and Game 6 (Thunder favor) came down to the 4th...and if I recall correctly the league admitted the Spurs got screwed out of 2 (Game 2, Game 5).

You don't know shit about basketball tbh.

The refs fucked up a lot on both sides.. but if the Spurs just make shots and run a competent offense in the last 5 minutes of these games then they win but what is going to change over the next year? Parker going to turn into an assist machine and pass the ball to Kawhi instead of bricking every shot he takes down the stretch? Is Boris Diaw going to be more motivated and not be in the dog house? Will Tim Duncan turn 31 instead of 41 if he comes back.. Will there be continuity if they bring in another big to play instead of Duncan.

The Spurs after winning in 14 should have slowly started to address needs for players that were slipping but they've always been about trying to stop gap problems, lets try to fill in a piece here and there and wish for the best. Now their ageless wonder is looking his age and the players that made up the team are on their way out. Can't expect another 67 win season this year and can't expect everyone to play above water like they did this past season especially with rookies coming in and learning their respective roles and how they do things in SA.. I think you need to set your expectations to be reasonable and not call people not knowing basketball because they don't agree with you.

But go on thinking what you want..

[DPG21920]

To be fair, Parsons was very arguably their best player last year, and he didn't get the ball enough. Of course neither of those things will be true on the Spurs, but Dallas should re-sign him unless they get both Conley and Whiteside. Wes Matthews held that team down a lot more than Parsons did.

Dallas knows he's a fraud IMO. You don't dump max money into a guy with health issues, questionable motivation/attidude at best & one that seems like a snake in the grass.

[Nathan89]

Players are still getting overpaid in my opinion. If the cap was the same I wouldn't think Noah is worth 13mil either. Teams have a lot of money to spend and a limited supply of players. That's going to cause players to be overpaid especially when the players that are worth more more are already under contract. When you have good value on existing players then incoming players are going to get more than their share. Perhaps will see smaller contracts that ends before existing players get new contracts. Bottom line even when you do the math after the contracts come out I think many will think they are getting overpaid.

[TheGoldStandard]

Dallas knows he's a fraud IMO. You don't dump max money into a guy with health issues, questionable motivation/attidude at best & one that seems like a snake in the grass.

I have a feeling he ends up in LA

[DPG21920]

I have a feeling he ends up in LA

He's a good player, but man, he's literally perfect for LA :lol. He can walk around modelling, get paid with no expectation of winning and hit on chicks on Twitter with no pressure.

[SAGirl]

What's it say!? Translators assemble.
Nothing of much interest basketball-wise.
He's lifting weights 3 to 4 times a week and some cardio and drills in the court, but seems like an offseason regimen. He made a comment he gets restless and starts to feel old in the offseason when the training regimen is lax. A trainer from San Antonio is scheduled to visit Argentina to get him in shape.

Maybe without realizing it he conceded of plans to come back for next season by mentioning the San Antonio trainer.

The rest is a lot of personal stuff, pictures of the day, favorite apps, favorite quotes, etc. a lot of non-basketball stuff. You do get to know more about the man.

[coachmac87]

The refs fucked up a lot on both sides.. but if the Spurs just make shots and run a competent offense in the last 5 minutes of these games then they win but what is going to change over the next year? Parker going to turn into an assist machine and pass the ball to Kawhi instead of bricking every shot he takes down the stretch? Is Boris Diaw going to be more motivated and not be in the dog house? Will Tim Duncan turn 31 instead of 41 if he comes back.. Will there be continuity if they bring in another big to play instead of Duncan.

The Spurs after winning in 14 should have slowly started to address needs for players that were slipping but they've always been about trying to stop gap problems, lets try to fill in a piece here and there and wish for the best. Now their ageless wonder is looking his age and the players that made up the team are on their way out. Can't expect another 67 win season this year and can't expect everyone to play above water like they did this past season especially with rookies coming in and learning their respective roles and how they do things in SA.. I think you need to set your expectations to be reasonable and not call people not knowing basketball because they don't agree with you.

But go on thinking what you want..

Pretty sure Thunder benefited from Game 2 and Game 5. How did they Spurs benefit form that?

Who played above water? I'm pretty sure Boris, Danny, Patty all had down years. Yet they still won 67 games while fitting in a big piece like LMA.

[Chinook]

Nothing of much interest basketball-wise.
He's lifting weights 3 to 4 times a week and some cardio and drills in the court, but seems like an offseason regimen. He made a comment he gets restless and starts to feel old in the offseason when the training regimen is lax. A trainer from San Antonio is scheduled to visit Argentina to get him in shape.

Maybe without realizing it he conceded of plans to come back for next season by mentioning the San Antonio trainer.

The rest is a lot of personal stuff, pictures of the day, favorite apps, favorite quotes, etc. a lot of non-basketball stuff. You do get to know more about the man.

I think it's more of a troll. Dude's probably a personal trainer of his. He has a national team to prepare for. Wouldn't surprise me for that trainer to be in SA even if they are not associated with the team.

[DPG21920]

Yes, I do. Though now that the team drafted Murray, Clarkson's appeal is lessened. They are too similar and aren't a long-term fit, I don't think.



This is incorrect (and yes, I know it's the article, not you). Clarkson is an Arenas RFA because he has two or fewer accrued seasons in the NBA. It has nothing to due with Bird rights. The Spurs only had EB rights to Green in 2012, and he was just a regular RFA.

Larry Coon made a great point. I thought LA would keep Clarkson and pay him whatever because they desperately need talent and they are learning the hard way they are no longer a FA draw like before. If they want to be a FA draw again, they need not only equal money and the lure of a big market, but a good roster ready to compete.

They can land Parson's but no franchise players until they are good (which is not surprising, but also shocking how far the NBA has come).

But Larry Coon was stating he thought LA would love for Clarkson to get Gilbert Arenas'd. With the first 2 years being under 6M that let's them not only keep a young talented player, but not mess up their cap space in the two most important years.

[SAGirl]

I think it's more of a troll. Dude's probably a personal trainer of his. He has a national team to prepare for. Wouldn't surprise me for that trainer to be in SA even if they are not associated with the team.
I see. I didn't think about it at the time. Is Manu trolling? Or is someone trolling Manu with a fake account?
I am not an internet saavy kind of gal.

[tholdren]

I see. I didn't think about it at the time. Is Manu trolling? Or is someone trolling Manu with a fake account?
I am not an internet saavy kind of gal.
because you're a dude

[Chinook]

I see. I didn't think about it at the time. Is Manu trolling? Or is someone trolling Manu with a fake account?
I am not an internet saavy kind of gal.

No, it's definitely Manu. But I don't think he showed his hand yet. He probably doesn't know himself yet. But I think he know what he's implying and the reaction it would cause.

[NASpurs]

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[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski Verified account ‏@WojVerticalNBA (https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA) Sources on @TheVertical (https://twitter.com/TheVertical). Dallas Mavericks emerging as a frontrunner for Miami free agent center Hassan Whiteside. Heat's lost ground on him.

[AFBlue]

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I thought teams were prohibited from contacting free agents until 12:01am. How does a team gain an advantage without talking to said free agent?

[BillMc]

I thought teams were prohibited from contacting free agents until 12:01am. How does a team gain an advantage without talking to said free agent?

Good point. I'm still wondering also how the Knicks pretty much wrapped up Noah before FA even began.

[BatManu20]

I hope Whiteside does go to the Mavs and I hope they max him. He's overrated.

[DPG21920]

After years of FA whiffs, that would be a good win (worst case from a PR perspective - best case for the future) for Dallas. They have a ton of holes though. Wes Matthews & maybe Justin Anderson are the only two starters they have under contract.

Even if Dirk does come back you have: ?PG/Wes/Justin Anderson/Dirk/Whiteside and an ok bench.

[DPG21920]

I thought teams were prohibited from contacting free agents until 12:01am. How does a team gain an advantage without talking to said free agent?

It's more about the Heat. If Heat are talking to him (which they are allowed) and they aren't offering max, his camp is leaking out that Heat is losing ground and Mavs favorite.

[tonight...you]

I hope Whiteside does go to the Mavs and I hope they max him. He's overrated.
I wanted him to go to LA where he could have poisoned the kiddos for a few years before he's traded for pennies on the dollar.

[DPG21920]

Good point. I'm still wondering also how the Knicks pretty much wrapped up Noah before FA even began.

It's Noah's camp (and maybe some tampering :lol) telling press that is his desire.

[coachmac87]

I thought teams were prohibited from contacting free agents until 12:01am. How does a team gain an advantage without talking to said free agent?

Heat met with Whiteside..probably didn't go well. Mavs have been in running for awhile tbh. With meeting with Heat not going well makes Mavs fsvorire

[SD126]

So much for Riley making Whiteside his priority no. 1 like he said he would.

[coachmac87]

So much for Riley making Whiteside his priority no. 1 like he said he would.

He tried. Whiteside just doesn't want to be in Miami after they treated him this season

[BatManu20]

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[tonight...you]

:lobt2:

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I think Parsons is a really good fit up there in the Great Northwest.

[Ice009]

I think Parsons is a really good fit up there in the Great Northwest.

I really do like the Blazers. but they need to be really careful about going after players with bad knees. Is Chandler's knee fully healed? Did he sit out games because of it last season?

[tonight...you]

I really do like the Blazers. but they need to be really careful about going after players with bad knees. Is Chandler's knee fully healed? Did he sit out games because of it last season?
True. And he did, at the end of the season, yet again.
He's a high risk/high reward player, no doubt, but teams are going to swing and, if he can manage to keep his knees intact, along with the rest of his pretty self- he can be dangerous as hell on that Portland team.

[Seventyniner]

:lobt2:

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Are Lillard and the Blazers going to lock Parsons in a house by putting a chair under the door handle?

[Kawhitstorm]

21-6-4 in the playoffs with a 23 PER and a decent 53% TS as the #1 option on a broken team that was 1 game away from the ECFs..very solid performance...

The much maligned Lowry vs. the Heat: 23/5/6 TS: 52%

[tonight...you]

Are Lillard and the Blazers going to lock Parsons in a house by putting a chair under the door handle?
They're going in with ALLLLLLL the Spring Break hoes they can find and do selfies until the breaka breaka dawn.
Contracts a done deal brahsies.

[tonight...you]

The much maligned Lowry vs. the Heat: 23/5/6 TS: 52%
Yeah, but... Lowry was nonexistent for several games, helping to put the team into holes, and then would have a stellar game, or two.
It was his inconsistency that was hurting. Don't get me wrong- I love Lowry, but that was how he was doing in the playoffs.

The overall stats don't tell the whole story. IMO.

[Kawhitstorm]

I hope Whiteside does go to the Mavs and I hope they max him. He's overrated.

Dude is the polar opposite of Tyson Chandler upstairs.:lol

[Kawhitstorm]

Looks like Luol Deng is near-100% gone from Miami..

He has to sign the first fat contract offer before teams use their cap on other wings instead of waiting for Durant.