Official 2016 Spurs Offseason Thread

[raybies]

Tony/Murray
Green/Manu/Simmons
Leonard/Anderson/ Bertans
Aldridge/LJC
Pau/ Boban/ Milutinov

Options for PG: Ryan Arcidiacono, Bryn Forbes, Seth Curry(:))
Options for PF: David West, Thomas Robinson, Willie Reed, Terrence Jones(:))

[DPG21920]

Point guards? We don't need no steenking point guards!

Haha - just saying that with Murray (not ideal) they at least have something. With Tim gone, West gone, likely Boban too, losing Boris means no replacement currently on roster.

SA likely has to trade. Maybe even a S&T with Bulls to keep the MLE and add pieces that way.

[TheMulletMan3000]

https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/750042233307553793

[GSH]

I kind of hate this deal, to be honest. The team couldn't afford to lose more rotation players, and they are definitely losing one to make this happen. They have about $16 Million assuming Tim retired and took nothing, and they have about $13.5 Million if they just stretch him. That's enough to give Pau something that approaches his reported contract, but it leaves no Boban, and it makes the room exception an either/or thing with Manu and Bertans. Hope that one takes the min, of course. Still, the backup center spot is really weak with no money to fix it unless the team loses further rotation players, who in turn will have to be replaced and so on.


That's what I've been talking about. One step forward and at least one step back. Plus they have $15M in cap taken up next season, if Pau decides to exercise it. That's a big chunk not in the Spurs' hands. Again.

Meh... this was never going to be a happy offseason. Too many needs, too little money, and too many competitors with deep pockets.

[Juan]

I kind of hate this deal, to be honest. The team couldn't afford to lose more rotation players, and they are definitely losing one to make this happen. They have about $16 Million assuming Tim retired and took nothing, and they have about $13.5 Million if they just stretch him. That's enough to give Pau something that approaches his reported contract, but it leaves no Boban, and it makes the room exception an either/or thing with Manu and Bertans. Hope that one takes the min, of course. Still, the backup center spot is really weak with no money to fix it unless the team loses further rotation players, who in turn will have to be replaced and so on.

Nah easily the best the Spurs could do all things considered (Duncan retiring, cap/market situation, etc). It was a must for them. Plus, they might have some other things lined up as well.

As far as boban goes, who knows what kinda contract he will get in this market and he might have been moving on regardless of Pau.

No brainer move for Spurs and sets them up as players for next summer still.

[TheMulletMan3000]

bye bye bobo

[DPG21920]

So let me get this straight... Diaw and Boban are gone to create room for Pau?

That's one avenue that seems like the obvious one, but it's not for sure. We have to see. SA can elect to go cap space route and trade guys or stay over the cap and have the MLE by doing a S&T with Bulls. Not sure what they will do - lots of variables especially when trading is involved.

Either way, someone will have to be moved to make room even if Tim is stretched.

[Chinook]

Does anyone think SA does a S&T with CHI to keep the MLE/stay over the cap? I really hope so, just don't know for who.

For that much money, Mills and Diaw get it done, and I actually think they'd be welcome in Chicago. But all that buys is the MLE and LLE instead of the room exception, and now you have 2-3 rotation players to replace rather than just 1.

[BillMc]

Everybody's down but still probably win 60+ games next season. So few teams can hang with us.

[Nathan89]

The backup center position isn't much of a concern. The 3rd best big needs to be a pf and we'll be running a 3 big rotation when it matters.

[montgod]

Tony/Murray
Green/Manu/Simmons
Leonard/Anderson/ Bertans
Aldridge/LJC
Pau/ Boban/ Milutinov

Options for PG: Ryan Arcidiacono, Bryn Forbes, Seth Curry(:))
Options for PF: David West, Thomas Robinson, Willie Reed, Terrence Jones(:))
I can't see LJC playing PF or much in nba honestly. Hopefully he has improved overnight smh


Haha - just saying that with Murray (not ideal) they at least have something. With Tim gone, West gone, likely Boban too, losing Boris means no replacement currently on roster.

SA likely has to trade. Maybe even a S&T with Bulls to keep the MLE and add pieces that way.

Would be nice for Gibson.

[DPG21920]

lol if Spurs do something retarded and trade Green

<5% chance they do that. Don't worry. Gasol does not cost SA Danny.

[szkorhetz]

https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/750042233307553793
Good, good, let it go through.

[Nathan89]

Murray getting a lot of playing time is going to be interesting.

[Mouth is Bleeding]

At least Kawhi more at the 4 in smaller lineups would be very welcome.

[BillMc]

That's what I've been talking about. One step forward and at least one step back. Plus they have $15M in cap taken up next season, if Pau decides to exercise it. That's a big chunk not in the Spurs' hands. Again.

Meh... this was never going to be a happy offseason. Too many needs, too little money, and too many competitors with deep pockets.

Everybody expects to get better every offseason, but sometime it takes a miracle to stay just as good as you were.

That said we'll still win 60 or so. These are still good days. Spurs fans can't even remember what "bad" seasons are like it.

[DPG21920]

For that much money, Mills and Diaw get it done, and I actually think they'd be welcome in Chicago. But all that buys is the MLE and LLE instead of the room exception, and now you have 2-3 rotation players to replace rather than just 1.

Well shit - Nate Duncan just reminded me that 1+1 deals can't be S&T....so there goes that.

Plus Woj saying Boris is going to be moved as well..

[LakerHater]

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[jyra]

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[objective]

If Woj is right the Spurs won't have a backup power forward.

This move is bad.

[DPG21920]

That's what I've been talking about. One step forward and at least one step back. Plus they have $15M in cap taken up next season, if Pau decides to exercise it. That's a big chunk not in the Spurs' hands. Again.

Meh... this was never going to be a happy offseason. Too many needs, too little money, and too many competitors with deep pockets.

Well, SA needed a starting C first and foremost and I think Pau over last year Duncan is an improvement which means the SL is so damn good.

I Pau opts out unless he suffers a huge injury (whether he fits or not) so I don't think it's a huge risk, but it's a risk for next year's cap space.

Have to keep plugging holes but better to do that on bench than SL.

[Chinook]

Diaw and Boban leaving wouldn't be that bad if Duncan were returning and West was willing to take the min again. But Tim and Boban is awful unless a decent center really wants to step in for nothing. They can get around $13 Million by just trading Mills, and that's an idea with Arcidiacono and Forbes as possible replacements along with the possibility of Neal returning. But this just got a whole lot dicier.

[palangi]

Tony/Murray
Green/Manu/Simmons
Leonard/Anderson/ Bertans
Aldridge/LJC
Pau/ Boban/ Milutinov

Options for PG: Ryan Arcidiacono, Bryn Forbes, Seth Curry(:))
Options for PF: David West, Thomas Robinson, Willie Reed, Terrence Jones(:))

And lalanne at PF

[tav1]

I don't see many options, but it would be good for Spurs to take back player rights or a player on a minimum contract for Boris...if they also intend to stretch Duncan.

A few ideas: Furkan Korkmaz, Allessandro Gentile, Robert Covington.

[Chinook]

If Boris is moved for nothing, it's really bad. If he's moved for a player on a rookie contract (as that would open up the money the team needs both for Pau and Bertans), then that makes a lot more sense.

[DPG21920]

I kind of hate this deal, to be honest. The team couldn't afford to lose more rotation players, and they are definitely losing one to make this happen. They have about $16 Million assuming Tim retired and took nothing, and they have about $13.5 Million if they just stretch him. That's enough to give Pau something that approaches his reported contract, but it leaves no Boban, and it makes the room exception an either/or thing with Manu and Bertans. Hope that one takes the min, of course. Still, the backup center spot is really weak with no money to fix it unless the team loses further rotation players, who in turn will have to be replaced and so on.

I would be nice if SA could dump a pick (2nd round) + cash for a team to take on Tim (to cover buyout) and he retires. Tim is gone anyways, so trading him to open up the 16M would allow Boris to be kept. But looks like that is not likely.

[ducks]

Marc Stein Retweeted
Dan Le Batard Show ‏@LeBatardShow 9m9 minutes ago
Heat has offered Wade 2 years, $40 million with a player option in second year.

[szkorhetz]

If Boris is moved for nothing, it's really bad. If he's moved for a player on a rookie contract (as that would open up the money the team needs both for Pau and Bertans), then that makes a lot more sense.
Chris McCullough, TBH.

Marks should do us a favor

[LakerHater]

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[elemento]

For that much money, Mills and Diaw get it done, and I actually think they'd be welcome in Chicago. But all that buys is the MLE and LLE instead of the room exception, and now you have 2-3 rotation players to replace rather than just 1.

But aren't S&Ts supposed to be at least 3 years minimum ? From all the reports, it seems that Pau is signing a 2-year deal with a PO in the 2nd year.

[Nathan89]

At least Kawhi more at the 4 in smaller lineups would be very welcome.

If we had more wing talent that'd be interesting. Fathead and Simmons isn't a great smallball lineup.

[Ron Swanson]

@SportsCenter (https://twitter.com/SportsCenter)Mavs & unrestricted free agent-to-be Harrison Barnes have verbal agreement on 4-yr, $94M deal.

[DPG21920]

For that much money, Mills and Diaw get it done, and I actually think they'd be welcome in Chicago. But all that buys is the MLE and LLE instead of the room exception, and now you have 2-3 rotation players to replace rather than just 1.

Also, why would it take Boris/Mills in a S&T (Which SA can't do evidently) and only Boris if they just pursue cap space? Wouldn't it be the same hypothetically?

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol Mavs somehow downgraded from Parsons

[Spurs9]

Im gonna be mad if Boban is gone

[timtonymanu]

Losing Tim, BoBo, and Durant signing with Warriors today.. damn what a shitty turn of events. :lol

Hopefully Pau pans out.

[raybies]

I'm starting to really doubt that many is gonna come back. He wants market value and I don't think we're gonna be anywhere remotely close. Ideas?

[Nathan89]

:lol Mavs somehow downgraded from Parsons

At least he's younger. He'll still be in his prime at the tail end of the GSW dynasty.

[Chinook]

Also, why would it take Boris/Mills in a S&T (Which SA can't do evidently) and only Boris if they just pursue cap space? Wouldn't it be the same hypothetically?

They have $10 Million in cap space. So they only need to free up $4-5 Million to get the space they need. If they stay over the cap (which pretty much means giving Manu big money at this point), they need to send out about $10 Million in salary to meet the trade requirements.

[objective]

If the Spurs lose Manu on top of Boris for the sake of Pau Gasol, I will lose my mind

[AFBlue]

If Woj is right the Spurs won't have a backup power forward.

This move is bad.

They'll get one for the min. Someone raw but athletic.

[DPG21920]

Look, there are holes on SA and we all knew the limitations. But you have to get starters when you can; especially when in my eyes you get them on a deal that *likely* allows you to fully reset next year as well.

West opted out already. Tim is retiring (most likely). Those are outside of SA control. You have to get your SL the best you can especially if you don't have to mortgage next year's "plan" to do so. Losing Boris is the cost it looks like.

Hope SA can get a cheap player back for Boris (doubt it, but possible) but man, SA has some holes to fill now even though the SL looks damn solid.

[Chinook]

But aren't S&Ts supposed to be at least 3 years minimum ? From all the reports, it seems that Pau is signing a 2-year deal with a PO in the 2nd year.

Indeed. Three years, not including options.

[DPG21920]

But aren't S&Ts supposed to be at least 3 years minimum ? From all the reports, it seems that Pau is signing a 2-year deal with a PO in the 2nd year.

Correct, I was wrong on S&T possibility - I forgot about the 3 year rule.

[AFBlue]

If the Spurs lose Manu on top of Boris for the sake of Pau Gasol, I will lose my mind

Why would Manu go anywhere else after spending his entire career in SA? Seems like nonsense.

[szkorhetz]

They'll get one for the min. Someone raw but athletic.
Like Bonner?

[GSH]

I've just gotta walk away from this and come back to see what's left when they're done. I was really hopeful that they would sign someone like Bourousis, and be able to afford the all the guys we've been seeing in the pipeline, and just be done with it. Now we're looking at surgery. The FO has always been good at what they do, so maybe they'll pull a rabbit out of the hat. But I hate to lose Boban before getting to see if he can step up the rest of his game to go along with his size. Boris has a $500K incentive to stay in shape, and I still don't have any confidence that he'll lay off the croissants, so I shouldn't mine losing him.

[ducks]

Why would Manu go anywhere else after spending his entire career in SA? Seems like nonsense.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[AFBlue]

Like Bonner?

Like D-League or Euro

[Chinook]

I don't care about losing Manu. The room exception is there if he wants it. If he doesn't, tough shit.

[LakerHater]

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[ducks]

Brian Windhorst ‏@WindhorstESPN 49m49 minutes ago
Thunder to mull options with Russell Westbrook including attempting to re-negotiate & extend his contract

[Spurs9]

:pop: we will give bonner the rest of the cap for his loyalty

[Chinook]

They better not just be starting to fucking "work on it". They could have stretched his ass last week and saved most of this heartache.

[raybies]

The good thing about many teams wanting Boris is that we may be able to get some kind of pick from him. Maybe Boston.

[TimDunkem]

What fucking rock did you crawl out from under? Crawl back there.
Call me "grey name" again. That'll really show me.

[coachmac87]

I don't care about losing Manu. The room exception is there if he wants it. If he doesn't, tough shit.

If that's the case and Tim is retiring...trade Parker

[Chinook]

If that's the case and Tim is retiring...trade Parker

Seriously.

[DPG21920]

Assume Tim retires (likely): Spurs have their SL taken care of while still having likely reset room next year:

TP/Danny/Kahwi/LMA/Pau - very stout and IMO better than last year's SL. If DG improves back to normal, much better.

Bench:

Murray/Mills/Simmons/Kyle

With SA pursuing cap space (only way to sign Gasol since we know S&T not allowed with Gasol's contract), SA would likely only have 4M + Room Exception + Min contracts to fill the many holes on the bench.

Looking at Manu, Bertans and who else? So many holes and that is the money picture with just Boris moved (gets Spurs to 17M in cap space + Tim stretched which gets SA 3M more in cap space. 20M cap space - 16M for Pau = 4M in cap space + Room Exception + Min deals).

[BillMc]

Did Manu ever say he wanted a big payday? Or is everyone just assuming with the cap exploding he will?

[GSH]

Oh, shit, I just had another sick thought. They could wind up giving away a pick to sweeten a deal to get out of this mess. With the cap going crazy, those picks are more valuable than ever. Damn I hope they aren't mortgaging their future here.

[objective]

This is just a crap off season.

The only thing to make me feel better would be Parker getting traded away for cap space.

[Kikoluna]

Did Manu ever say he wanted a big payday? Or is everyone just assuming with the cap exploding he will?

His agent implied it. Practically said it.

[NASpurs]

Did Manu ever say he wanted a big payday? Or is everyone just assuming with the cap exploding he will?

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxsports.com/nba/story/san-antonio-spurs-manu-ginobili-hometown-discount-nba-free-agency-070316.amp.html#

[BillMc]

Assume Tim retires (likely): Spurs have their SL taken care of while still having likely reset room next year:

TP/Danny/Kahwi/LMA/Pau - very stout and IMO better than last year's SL. If DG improves back to normal, much better.

Bench:

Murray/Mills/Simmons/Kyle

With SA pursuing cap space (only way to sign Gasol since we know S&T not allowed with Gasol's contract), SA would likely only have 4M + Room Exception + Min contracts to fill the many holes on the bench.

Looking at Manu, Bertans and who else? So many holes and that is the money picture with just Boris moved (gets Spurs to 17M in cap space + Tim stretched which gets SA 3M more in cap space. 20M cap space - 16M for Pau = 4M in cap space + Room Exception + Min deals).

Good analysis. So Boban is gone too. We'll be battling with the Warriors for minimum contract guys.

Of course GSW has to find a starting center with no money at all. Wonder if they'll just play small all year with iggy in the starting lineup.

[objective]

Oh, shit, I just had another sick thought. They could wind up giving away a pick to sweeten a deal to get out of this mess. With the cap going crazy, those picks are more valuable than ever. Damn I hope they aren't mortgaging their future here.

You're God damn right.

If Boris costs them a first when they could have waived and stretched him down to a cap hit of a million ... so stupid.

[Timothy21]

why we must trade Diaw to sign Gasol?

[elemento]

Since KD is a pussy and TD is retiring, I'm ready to bring all the stashed guys over. LJC, Milutinov, Bertans : BRING THEM ALL and get some freaking youth.

[DPG21920]

What they are doing with Boris tells me they were surprised by Tim opting in and truly have not known what he was going to do. Which is ok - Tim earned that right.

But I don't think in this market SA will have to give up a pick to dump Boris. If GS didn't have to give anything to dump Bogut, doubt SA does either.

[BillMc]

His agent implied it. Practically said it.


https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxsports.com/nba/story/san-antonio-spurs-manu-ginobili-hometown-discount-nba-free-agency-070316.amp.html#

Thanks guys. Yeah, I know the money might be 3 to1 what the Spurs can pay but does Manu really want to end his career in Denver or Milwaukee or (God forbid) Dallas?

Boston should sweep him up to mentor their young guys.

[ducks]

simons hopefully will be much better this year and take manu role

[AFBlue]

His agent implied it. Practically said it.

His agent is just doing his job. There's almost no chance Manu suits up for another team if he plays in the NBA next season.

[raybies]

People actually think we'll have to give a pick to trade Boris. Maybe if there was no market for him but according to a couple of the media I read, he has many teams after him. You hope for a bidding war. Can't really take a player back but maybe we can extract a prospect if not a second round pick imo.

[ducks]

His agent is just doing his job. There's almost no chance Manu suits up for another team if he plays in the NBA next season.

did you say the same with lma and durant

[GSH]

What they are doing with Boris tells me they were surprised by Tim opting in and truly have not known what he was going to do. Which is ok - Tim earned that right.

But I don't think in this market SA will have to give up a pick to dump Boris. If GS didn't have to give anything to dump Bogut, doubt SA does either.


Yeah, I'm just seeing negative everywhere. They're going to do what they do, whether I'm following it or not. You guys have a good 4th.


Edit: Just for the record - I haven't seen what kind of shape Boris is in. If he's fat, he's going to be hard to get rid of. If he's back in great shape, we're going to cry about losing him. This whole thing sucks.

[DPG21920]

why we must trade Diaw to sign Gasol?

Because as of right now, SA has the following players under contract:

LMA
Kawhi
Danny
Parker
Tim
Boris
Simmons
Kyle
Mills

Those guys (plus cap holds for Murray & LJC) add up to 84M in salary. The salary cap is 94M. That means SA, with all of those players on the books has 10M in cap space. If Gasol is making 16M, SA is 6M short of what they need to get Gasol his 6M.

So they have to trade a player or players to get that money and with Boris making 7M, trading him gets SA to the cap space they need to sign Gasol.

[Mr. Body]

ESPN Spurs guy says they have had Pau as the priority all along, we're happy with their pitch but knew it was a longshot.

Kind of feel they didn't pitch KD hard.

[J_Paco]

I could see the team parting ways with Tony with Timmy likely retiring and Manu possibly moving on, but unless they can find a suitable replacement it wouldn't be in their best interest to drop him. Or do people really think Patty Mills is capable of running a NBA offense for a playoff team?

I don't.

Man, it'll be really weird and crazy if/when Timmy isn't at the tip-off circle and Manu in another team's jersey.

[objective]

simons hopefully will be much better this year and take manu role

Well, I'm with you there. Simmons can do a lot more with the ball than Anderson.

[Nathan89]

Kind of feel they didn't pitch KD hard.

KD was never coming to the Spurs. It doesn't matter how the Spurs pitched him. He wanted to play on a stacked GSW team. Not play with Tony Parker and a 41yo center.

[jyra]

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[NASpurs]

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[LakerHater]

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[slick'81]

Holy shit he does look like bonner

[BillMc]

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RIGA TIME!!!!:toast

[szkorhetz]

NIce, nice.

[From Downtown]

Looking forward to see him in a Spurs uniform

[elemento]

FUCKING YEAH !

[Chinook]

I really do think Anderson and Bertans may up a good combo at the forward spots off the bench. But the issue is they don't have a center. Oh, and they currently don't have a two-guard.

[DPG21920]

Huge!!! Bertans at the minimum is a got damn life saver!!

TP/DG/KL/LMA/Pau = Damn Solid SL against anyone.

Patty/Simmons/Kyle/Bertans/LJC/Murray - need a SG/playmaker still and 2 more bigs at least (PF/C's), but any minimum signing with upside is great (Bertans).

Still 4M in cap space (if Tim waived/stretched, more if they can trade him to a team for nothing back) + Room Exception + Min contracts (and any trades they can swing).

[jyra]

That's what the article says:


The 42nd pick of the 2011 NBA draft is willing to get a salary near the minimum in order to continue his career in the NBA, the buy out in his contract with Baskonia is affordable and he is one of the players who is expected to be part of the team’s roster for next season.

[NASpurs]

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[Timothy21]

Because as of right now, SA has the following players under contract:

LMA
Kawhi
Danny
Parker
Tim
Boris
Simmons
Kyle
Mills

Those guys (plus cap holds for Murray & LJC) add up to 84M in salary. The salary cap is 94M. That means SA, with all of those players on the books has 10M in cap space. If Gasol is making 16M, SA is 6M short of what they need to get Gasol his 6M.

So they have to trade a player or players to get that money and with Boris making 7M, trading him gets SA to the cap space they need to sign Gasol.

perfect.... Thanks...

[szkorhetz]

I really do think Anderson and Bertans may up a good combo at the forward spots off the bench. But the issue is they don't have a center. Oh, and they currently don't have a two-guard.
Simmons?

[szkorhetz]

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Too little, too late.

[timtonymanu]

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A player that people on here want and the Spurs are gonna fail to get him again

[Chinook]

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Asshole the size of a pinhead right now. Go, Spurs, Go!

[DPG21920]

Dedmon time....

[Ron Swanson]

Looking forward to seeing Bertans next season.

[Chinook]

Simmons?

Would rather it be a pure shooter. But if Anderson can get his shots down, then Simmons slashing, Anderson posting up with a guy like Dedmon looking to finish as Bertans and Mills spots up looks like it could be a lot of fun.

[objective]

Would have rather spent Pau's money on a Plumlee-Dedmon combo, tbh

[objective]

God I hope the Bertans deal is longer than two years

[SpurPadre]

Huge!!! Bertans at the minimum is a got damn life saver!!

TP/DG/KL/LMA/Pau = Damn Solid SL against anyone.

Patty/Simmons/Kyle/Bertans/LJC/Murray - need a SG/playmaker still and 2 more bigs at least (PF/C's), but any minimum signing with upside is great (Bertans).

Still 4M in cap space (if Tim waived/stretched, more if they can trade him to a team for nothing back) + Room Exception + Min contracts (and any trades they can swing).

you forgot about Manu

[ducks]

someone needs to create simmons can of he can not turn it over

[ducks]

you forgot about Manu

manu is going to denver he talked to them when he was a fa once already

[SpurPadre]

manu is going to denver he talked to them when he was a fa once already

no way in hell Manu isn't in a Spurs uni

[Chinook]

You know, running the numbers, I don't think the Spurs NEED to trade Diaw at all if they intend to stretch Tim. They should have JUST enough to complete this deal. That also means that stretching Tim and trading Diaw gives them about $7 Million they could use on bring in about big man (and hopefully not use on Manu's ass) or to retain Boban.



Player
Salary/Hold


LaMarcus Aldridge
$20,575,005


Kawhi Leonard
$17,638,063


Pau Gasol
$14,669,927


Tony Parker
$14,445,313


Danny Green
$10,000,000


Boris Diaw
$6,500,000


Patty Mills
$3,578,948


Tim Duncan (Stretched)
$2,131,250


Kyle Anderson
$1,192,080


Livio Jean-Charles
$990,700


Dejounte Murray
$983,400


Jonathan Simmons
$874,636


Roster Charge
$543,471






Total
$94,122,793


Remaining Cap Space
$20,207

[objective]

manu is going to denver he talked to them when he was a fa once already

And what he said back in 04 was that he would have left if it was an offer that was substantially more, but the Spurs offer was close enough that he decided to stay.

Now maybe Manu will finally get that substantially bigger offer I guess.

[BillMc]

Hibbert sign anywhere?

[SPURt]

Which team left has the cap space and need for Boban?

[BillMc]

And what he said back in 04 was that he would have left if it was an offer that was substantially more, but the Spurs offer was close enough that he decided to stay.

Now maybe Manu will finally get that substantially bigger offer I guess.

I love Manu but if he's offered double or triple from another team given this is his last chance to make some cash, then I wouldn't blame him.

[Nathan89]

Hopefully Bertans is better than Durant tbh.

[slick'81]

no way in hell Manu isn't in a Spurs uni

As lng as he wants the minimum sure

[tav1]

You know, running the numbers, I don't think the Spurs NEED to trade Diaw at all if they intend to stretch Tim. They should have JUST enough to complete this deal. That also means that stretching Tim and trading Diaw gives them about $7 Million they could use on bring in about big man (and hopefully not use on Manu's ass) or to retain Boban.



Player
Salary/Hold


LaMarcus Aldridge
$20,575,005


Kawhi Leonard
$17,638,063


Pau Gasol
$14,669,927


Tony Parker
$14,445,313


Danny Green
$10,000,000


Boris Diaw
$6,500,000


Patty Mills
$3,578,948


Tim Duncan (Stretched)
$2,131,250


Kyle Anderson
$1,192,080


Livio Jean-Charles
$990,700


Dejounte Murray
$983,400


Jonathan Simmons
$874,636


Roster Charge
$543,471






Total
$94,122,793


Remaining Cap Space
$20,207



This is what I have too. This is why I'd be surprised if Spurs did not bring back a rookie or min contract in Diaw dump.

Stretching Tim plus trading Diaw leaves Spurs enough space for Gasol, Boban at 5.6 plus a min/rookie deal coming back in deal.

What is surprising is that they didn't have this deal ready to go. Seems like they're looking for it now. Odd.

[objective]

Which team left has the cap space and need for Boban?

Portland? They love biting off the Spurs, that's for sure.

Brooklyn I think has room after the Crabbe rumor was premature. Brook Lopez starts but is a trade asset. And Marks has a relationship with him.

[Spurs da champs]

Hibbert sign anywhere?

He's been terrible the last 2 seasons, gotta wonder how cheap he will be? Probably not cheap enough.

[cjw]

Why would Spurs be trading Diaw's contract and not Tim's if Tim is 100% NOT playing? Or is the door being kept open through that?

[DPG21920]

you forgot about Manu

Nope. SA has to sign Manu with what they have left.

[objective]

Which team left has the cap space and need for Boban?

Atlanta might will have greater than mle room, but have Splitter for one more year plus Taveres.

Phoenix should have cap space but plenty of bigs.

Minnesota might still have room but plenty of bigs.

Chicago might have some room, not sure after the Rondo signing. Team is being built for Hoiberg, don't know if Boban fits.

Utah might have space but a lot of bigs.

OKC might have some new room but too many bigs.

[BillMc]

What is surprising is that they didn't have this deal ready to go. Seems like they're looking for it now. Odd.

More and more I think the FO was surprised by Tim opting in. That and Durant wait plus unpredictable results of the new cap made this off season a bit chaotic for "schemers" like RC. :lol

[NASpurs]

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[gambit1990]

get rid of tp and boris to make room for: gasol, manu, robinson.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

To those who understand the numbers, can Tim retire and come back mid season or post all-star break if someone gets injured and we need him?

[Chinook]

If I were the Spurs, I would just stretch Tim right now. I'd tell him if that he could take as long as he wanted to decide and that when he did, there'd be a minimum contract waiting for him. That would actually represent an increase for Duncan if he were to take that deal, so I don't see why he wouldn't go for it. Then I'd tell other teams that we can sign Gasol without dealing Diaw so if they want Boris, they need to trade value for him. Then I'd see where Tim was on coming back. If he says no, then I use that space to sign a big like Dedmon. If he says yes, then I use the cap space on a guard first (because once again, please no Manu) before inking Tim, Bertans and the rookies.

[szkorhetz]

If I were the Spurs, I would just stretch Tim right now. I'd tell him if that he could take as long as he wanted to decide and that when he did, there'd be a minimum contract waiting for him. That would actually represent an increase for Duncan if he were to take that deal, so I don't see why he wouldn't go for it. Then I'd tell other teams that we can sign Gasol without dealing Diaw so if they want Boris, they need to trade value for him. Then I'd see where Tim was on coming back. If he says no, then I use that space to sign a big like Dedmon. If he says yes, then I use the cap space on a guard first (because once again, please no Manu) before inking Tim, Bertans and the rookies.
Can you resign someone who you just stretched?

[Chinook]

To those who understand the numbers, can Tim retire and come back mid season or post all-star break if someone gets injured and we need him?

Don't see why not.

[montgod]

If I were the Spurs, I would just stretch Tim right now. I'd tell him if that he could take as long as he wanted to decide and that when he did, there'd be a minimum contract waiting for him. That would actually represent an increase for Duncan if he were to take that deal, so I don't see why he wouldn't go for it. Then I'd tell other teams that we can sign Gasol without dealing Diaw so if they want Boris, they need to trade value for him. Then I'd see where Tim was on coming back. If he says no, then I use that space to sign a big like Dedmon. If he says yes, then I use the cap space on a guard first (because once again, please no Manu) before inking Tim, Bertans and the rookies.

Minimum contract? He would still be under his current one imo if he returned.

[Chinook]

Can you resign someone who you just stretched?

Yeah, I don't see a single rule against it. You can definitely re-sign guys you waive.

[Chinook]

Minimum contract? He would still be under his current one imo if he returned.

Nope. He'd've been waived, which means the team terminated his contract.

[LakerHater]

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[montgod]

Nope. He'd've been waived, which means the team terminated his contract.

Oh ok. Then yes, could be re-signed only by Spurs for one year (meaning not to another team i.e Jason Williams) since Spurs hold his rights.

[tav1]

More and more I think the FO was surprised by Tim opting in.

I'd bet they encouraged Duncan to take the money either way. He took a few below market deals in his career. He deserved walking away money.

My guess is San Antonio had dozens of scenarios in place, with Tim occupying cap while still retiring as one of those. What I will be surprised about is, after deciding not to waive Diaw, the Spurs simply dump Boris for nothing in return. Although, I guess they save 2M by exercising their option and then dumping Diaw. And 2M is a big deal this year.

But, of course, if Duncan decides to play, then this stretch option goes out the window and we have to reboot all of our prognostications.

This offseason is complicated and damn entertaining.

[Chinook]

Oh ok. Then yes, could be re-signed only by Spurs for one year (meaning not to another team i.e Jason Williams) since Spurs hold his rights.

Nah, the Spurs waiving him means they give up those rights. Essentially, they don't ask him if he wants to retire or not. They just cut him. Then if he wants to retire, he never takes another contract, files paperwork, whatever. If he wants to come back, he takes a minimum deal.

[szkorhetz]

Jennings-Knicks.

[LakerHater]

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[Kikoluna]

Can someone post what our team looks like ?

[NASpurs]

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[SPURt]

Atlanta might will have greater than mle room, but have Splitter for one more year plus Taveres.

Phoenix should have cap space but plenty of bigs.

Minnesota might still have room but plenty of bigs.

Chicago might have some room, not sure after the Rondo signing. Team is being built for Hoiberg, don't know if Boban fits.

Utah might have space but a lot of bigs.

OKC might have some new room but too many bigs.
Su unless BK/Portland want to ass the Spurs the market for the Bobanator may be slim. If the Spurs can keep Boban on a reasonable deal it could be biggest break the Spurs get. Someone from the Spurs feeder system is going to need to step up and Boban's advanced metrics look promising.

[SPURt]

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Haha! Says the guy that won a championship on the first team to poach multiple prime superstars.

[NASpurs]

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[timtonymanu]

Haha! Says the guy that won a championship on the first team to poach multiple prime superstars.

It's not like Celtics were a 73 win team before they got KG and Ray.

[SPURt]

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Watch this crap be some 4 year $40 million insanity making Ginobili lick his smackers

[Chinook]

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And this makes worlds more sense. But they really need to stop going back and forth. Bertans for $4-5 Million over three years sounds like a good plan for everyone.

[tav1]

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Hope this doesn't completely destroy Diaw's already low market value.

[SPURt]

It's not like Celtics were a 73 win team before they got KG and Ray.
Totally agree, but Pierce is the last guy to be selling sour grapes. I wish Bill Russell or Kareem actually used Twitter. Those guys can talk all the shit they want.

[Kikoluna]

We're losing manu. He wants his last payday. No timmy, no manu, no durant. And of course, we keep Tony and kyle. If

[Holden_Caulfield]

the way teams are being assembled. i feel bad for shitty teams who doesnt draft well :lol

[marinoman]

Someone educate me on berthans, I know about the injuries, but what's his ceiling? Especially in the short term

[Nathan89]

Haha! Says the guy that won a championship on the first team to poach multiple prime superstars.

It was the end of their prime. They weren't on contenders. They didn't join a team they couldn't defeat.

[LakerHater]

Haha! Says the guy that won a championship on the first team to poach multiple prime superstars.
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[Kawhitstorm]

He's been terrible the last 2 seasons, gotta wonder how cheap he will be? Probably not cheap enough.

I could see Hibbert on the Duds for the vet min.:lobt2:

[LakerHater]

Someone educate me on berthans, I know about the injuries, but what's his ceiling? Especially in the short term Hes a shooter & can finish well in trasition... thats about it!

[SPURt]

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Good call Pierce, it's not like the Cavs PG didn't just win a championship with one of the most clutch shots ever.

[Kawhitstorm]

If I were the Spurs, I would just stretch Tim right now. I'd tell him if that he could take as long as he wanted to decide and that when he did, there'd be a minimum contract waiting for him. That would actually represent an increase for Duncan if he were to take that deal, so I don't see why he wouldn't go for it. Then I'd tell other teams that we can sign Gasol without dealing Diaw so if they want Boris, they need to trade value for him. Then I'd see where Tim was on coming back. If he says no, then I use that space to sign a big like Dedmon. If he says yes, then I use the cap space on a guard first (because once again, please no Manu) before inking Tim, Bertans and the rookies.

Much rather free up as much cap space as possible next summer rather than stretching Tim b/c there isn't anyone that can be had w/ 4 mill to move the needle.

Considering that the Raptors were starting Scola, I'm pretty sure they would give up a late 1st for Boris.:lol

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[cjw]

Good call Pierce, it's not like the Cavs PG didn't just win a championship with one of the most clutch shots ever.

True, but that's not his point.

Durant also plays the same position as the only guy on the Warriors roster who won Finals MVP.

[marinoman]

Hes a shooter & can finish well in trasition... thats about it!
thanx

[montgod]

thanx

And is 6'10... so has some length to him

[BillMc]

Tough day for Manu and Tony... Their buddy Boris is going to be shipped out and Tim is on the verge of retiring.

[NASpurs]

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[Chinook]

Much rather free up as much cap space as possible next summer rather than stretching Tim b/c there isn't anyone that can be had w/ 4 mill to move the needle.

Considering that the Raptors were starting Scola, I'm pretty sure they would give up a late 1st for Boris.:lol

They'll have plenty next summer. The team has to fill out their rotation. Right now they literally have no plan at the backup five. And while $4 Million in cap space isn't a whole lot, going from about $2.5 Million to almost $7 Million is huge.

[r0drig0lac]

Hopefully Bertans is better than Durant tbh.

easily

[Kikoluna]

I'm just brainstorming
Looks like we have: tony, green, leonard, Aldridge and pau as the starting 5. Bench: Kyle, simmons, Europe guy, boban, mills (2nd unit) last of bench: Murray (rookie) , that's 11 players

[Leetonidas]

I'm just brainstorming
Looks like we have: tony, green, leonard, Aldridge and pau as the starting 5. Bench: Kyle, simmons, Europe guy, boban, mills (2nd unit) last of bench: Murray (rookie) , that's 11 players

Boban is a free agent

[Chinook]

I'm just brainstorming
Looks like we have: tony, green, leonard, Aldridge and pau as the starting 5. Bench: Kyle, simmons, Europe guy, boban, mills (2nd unit) last of bench: Murray (rookie) , that's 11 players

LJC and Bertans are both strongly rumored to be coming over (in possible addition to Milutinov), so that makes 12. And as pointed out, that assumes Boban comes back rather than signing elsewhere.

[szkorhetz]

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Seems to be a pretty good value.

[Kikoluna]

Boban is a free agent

Well shit. No boban either

[Leetonidas]

Yep...at this point Spurs best option may be to try and get West/Martin back :depressed

[Leetonidas]

It would be nice if Spurs could at least bring Miultinov over so we have some kind of size on the bench

[tonight...you]

It would be nice if Spurs could at least bring Miultinov over so we have some kind of size on the bench
I'm really itching to see old boy in the SL. See what he gots with some better competition in front of him.

[Kawhitstorm]

They'll have plenty next summer. The team has to fill out their rotation. Right now they literally have no plan at the backup five.

Can probably get Hibbert for the vet min if he doesn't sign w/ GSW.

[Kikoluna]

So not trying to troll but total crapy players are: kyle, Simmons (kinda), bertans, Europe french guy , and a 3rd Europe guy. 33% of

[montgod]

Can probably get Hibbert for the vet min if he doesn't sign w/ GSW.

I think I read he might be Charlotte bound once they free up room

[marinoman]

And is 6'10... so has some length to him
I'm guessing he's slow, accurate?

[objective]

If West never plays center maybe he won't be so bad.

He could easily sign with the warriors too, it'd be the same money

[montgod]

I'm guessing he's slow, accurate?

He is thin to medium frame so definitely a mobile tall SF type.

[objective]

I'm guessing he's slow, accurate?

He's decently fast in a straight line. It's when he has to move his feet that his legs wobble around like he's on roller skates, or like a newborn deer.

[Chinook]

Can probably get Hibbert for the vet min if he doesn't sign w/ GSW.

I mean, I don't know why you hate the Spurs so much...

[r0drig0lac]

I'm guessing he's slow, accurate?

it is quick and athletic

[Chinook]

Would love for Josh McRoberts to somehow get to the Spurs. He doesn't have Diaw's post game, but he's every bit the passer and is likely better at shooting and driving. He doesn't exactly fill a requirement for a backup center, but he could do a lot for the second unit, especially if Manu is gone.

[montgod]

Would love for Josh McRoberts to somehow get to the Spurs. He doesn't have Diaw's post game, but he's every bit the passer and is likely better at shooting and driving. He doesn't exactly fill a requirement for a backup center, but he could do a lot for the second unit, especially if Manu is gone.

Think his contract is similar to Boris but longer. Hasn't played in like 2 seasons almost with injuries so pass.

[Kawhitstorm]

I think I read he might be Charlotte bound once they free up room

I believe Hibbert is their backup plan if they lose out on Zaza, in any case not signing Hibbert isn't a big deal considering he was being outplayed by D-League centers like Willie Reed.:lol

[BillMc]

I believe Hibbert is their backup plan if they lose out on Zaza, in any case not signing Hibbert isn't a big deal considering he was being outplayed by D-League centers like Willie Reed.:lol

What happened to Hibbert? In 2013 playoffs he was giving the Heat hell. The next year everything went wrong and he's never recovered. Has to be some lurid behind the scenes things going on with him.

[Kawhitstorm]

I mean, I don't know why you hate the Spurs so much...

He's 7'3", can walk & chew gum.:lol

At this point, I hope PATFO take a flier on Jarnell Stokes & offer the Room Exception to Willie Reed.

[Kawhitstorm]

What happened to Hibbert? In 2013 playoffs he was giving the Heat hell. The next year everything went wrong and he's never recovered. Has to be some lurid behind the scenes things going on with him.

Small-ball ended his career, he can still protect the rim but he was ALWAYS a mediocre rebounder.

[palangi]

He's 7'3", can walk & chew gum.:lol

At this point, I hope PATFO take a flier on Jarnell Stokes & offer the Room Exception to Willie Reed.

Give me lalanne over stokes. But I do like Willie Reed.

[montgod]

I believe Hibbert is their backup plan if they lose out on Zaza, in any case not signing Hibbert isn't a big deal considering he was being outplayed by D-League centers like Willie Reed.:lol

I agree...he is horrible

[SPURt]

On Willie Reed's wiki it says he left the Nets last year due to personal reasons. What was the deal with that?

[Leetonidas]

Too bad it isn't possible now most likely but damn I wish we could get Splitter back especially after recent news

[RayTdropout]

Durant winning A championship with the Warriors is like someone losing their virginity to a prostitute

[RD2191]

Durant winning A championship with the Warriors is like someone losing their virginity to a prostitute
Leave Splits out of this tbh

[SPURt]

Durant winning A championship with the Warriors is like someone losing their virginity to a prostitute
:lmao Spot on!

[Kawhitstorm]

I agree...he is horrible

Lakers:

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:lmao

[Texas_Ranger]

Durant winning A championship with the Warriors is like someone losing their virginity to a prostitute

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[Kawhitstorm]

Give me lalanne over stokes. But I do like Willie Reed.

Let's see:

Bonner--> Bertans
K-Mart--> LJC

D-Worst--> Lalanne?
Boris--> Stokes?
Boban--> Reed?

[palangi]

Let's see:

Bonner--> Bertans
K-Mart--> LJC

D-Worst--> Lalanne?
Boris--> Stokes?
Boban--> Reed?

Opinion.

[RD2191]

Durant winning A championship with the Warriors is like someone losing their virginity to a prostitute

You phony! Booo this man! Booooooooo!

[tholdren]

Let's see:

Bonner--> Bertans
K-Mart--> LJC

D-Worst--> Lalanne?
Boris--> Stokes?
Boban--> Reed?

Lololol I hope for Spurs sake you are not correct with your first 3

[RayTdropout]

Never said it was mine. Did read it somewhere big deal

[Kawhitstorm]

Lololol I hope for Spurs sake you are not correct with your first 3

The frontline/wings are the least of the Spurs worries since Pau/LMA/Kawhi/Danny can play 35 minutes a night in the postseason, they should invest whatever cap space they have on playmakers. Vasquez is still available, maybe they can get him for 1 yr w/ the BAE.

Mozgov/Frye were rotting on the bench in the Finals while Dick Jefferson was playing major minutes.:lol

[RD2191]

Never said it was mine. Did read it somewhere big deal

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/BooThisMan.gif

[RayTdropout]

Lmao i'm happy to accommodate you and take your mind off of us losing Durrant for a minute or two

[RD2191]

Lmao i'm happy to accommodate you and take your mind off of us losing Durrant for a minute or two

Lol. I'm just bustin your chops. Who gives a shit where you got it from, it was a funny joke

[Kikoluna]

Shit, all jokes aside, bring back bonner. Things escalated quickly.

[DPG21920]

This is what I have too. This is why I'd be surprised if Spurs did not bring back a rookie or min contract in Diaw dump.

Stretching Tim plus trading Diaw leaves Spurs enough space for Gasol, Boban at 5.6 plus a min/rookie deal coming back in deal.

What is surprising is that they didn't have this deal ready to go. Seems like they're looking for it now. Odd.

What about Manu? Seems pretty sure that SA is brining back Manu.

[Kikoluna]

What about Manu? Seems pretty sure that SA is brining back Manu.

I don't know about that

[NASpurs]

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Wholly shit,, spurs breaking up teams nearly every year

[Seventyniner]

Wholly shit,, spurs breaking up teams nearly every year

Um no. The Warriors get full credit here, they knocked out the Thunder and stole their best player.

[DPG21920]

You know, running the numbers, I don't think the Spurs NEED to trade Diaw at all if they intend to stretch Tim. They should have JUST enough to complete this deal. That also means that stretching Tim and trading Diaw gives them about $7 Million they could use on bring in about big man (and hopefully not use on Manu's ass) or to retain Boban.



Player
Salary/Hold


LaMarcus Aldridge
$20,575,005


Kawhi Leonard
$17,638,063


Pau Gasol
$14,669,927


Tony Parker
$14,445,313


Danny Green
$10,000,000


Boris Diaw
$6,500,000


Patty Mills
$3,578,948


Tim Duncan (Stretched)
$2,131,250


Kyle Anderson
$1,192,080


Livio Jean-Charles
$990,700


Dejounte Murray
$983,400


Jonathan Simmons
$874,636


Roster Charge
$543,471






Total
$94,122,793


Remaining Cap Space
$20,207



I do wonder, if in an effort to maximize every cent for next year if SA is just going to eat Tim's money this year. Would make sense if they feel they have to move Diaw to get Pau if that is the case.

[spursince#99]

When is Parker's contract up? We have to get rid of him fast. He's singlehandedly jeopardizing the landscape of this franchise.

[spurs10]

What kind of deadlines are we looking at here regarding Tim and Boris. I know free agency ends 7/7, but will we know who is on the team by then?

[gambit1990]

Would love for Josh McRoberts to somehow get to the Spurs. He doesn't have Diaw's post game, but he's every bit the passer and is likely better at shooting and driving. He doesn't exactly fill a requirement for a backup center, but he could do a lot for the second unit, especially if Manu is gone.

when i proposed trading tp, green, bonner for him, dragic, and whiteside earlier this season:

that's an awful trade

That trade would have been abysmal.


what do we need going forward? a pg. how about big men who aren't too short, someone who isn't too slow, and someone who isn't 40?

dragic, whiteside, mcroberts for tony and danny?

The Spurs get burned just as badly with that deal
:lol

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La bound for picks

[Mr. Body]

Presti will have to decide whether to trade Westbrook this summer or during the season. No way he's staying in that craphole of a state any longer.

[LittleCriminal]

Parker/all the spurs draft picks for Westbrook??

[Chinook]

when i proposed trading tp, green, bonner for him, dragic, and whiteside earlier this season:





:lol

You'll never be able to live that proposal down. I love how you have this shit bookmarked, though.

[gambit1990]

You'll never be able to live that proposal down. I love how you have this shit bookmarked, though.
i don't have it bookmarked, just remembered you were wrong.

[Keepin' it real]

Hopefully Bertans is better than Durant tbh.

Book it!

[Spurs9]

RC needs to get parker/green for westbrook done or pakrer/boris.

[Chinook]

i don't have it bookmarked, just remembered you were wrong.

About what?

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/705396377535299584/s5UDDOpc_bigger.jpg Shams Charania Verified account ‏@ShamsCharania (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)

Vertical Sources: Free agent center Zaza Pachulia has agreed to a one-year, $2.9M deal to sign with the Golden State Warriors.

[raybies]

Pachulia to warriors 2.9 mill 1 year

[r0drig0lac]

Zaza to Warriors

[NASpurs]

Like if GSW couldn't get more hated :lol

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[Kikoluna]

I say Parker , mills, fathead and all picks for Westbrook

[raybies]

They got their big. Look at that price!!! The band wagoneers are coming out. Smh

[Spurs9]

:lol zaza

[HarlemHeat37]

Wow, they took my idea:lmao

They know the only way they will lose is due to injury, so they took the dirtiest player in the NBA off the market..genius..

[SpursFan86]

Welp, there's their starting center. Not even bad, either.

[Nathan89]

Zaza is another dirty fuck for GSW. He's better than Mozgov who just signed for 4/64mil for crying out loud. Fuck this league.

[DPG21920]

Zaza is not that good. People have funny memories. He started out OK for Dallas and then nose dived pretty badly.

I mean, for the money, it's definitely a fine pick up and he should do well for them, but it's not like they signed a stud (nor did they need to).

[TheDoctor]

:lol @ the tank movement

Spurs have the best two-way player in the NBA and a perennial all-star in his second season with the team. They have Pop and a deep bench full of players with different skills.

Good one. :lol

[raybies]

I would argue Zaza is around a bogut. He's injured often too though right?

[SpursFan86]

Zaza is not that good. People have funny memories. He started out OK for Dallas and then nose dived pretty badly.

He was really solid his last year in Milwaukee, and then pretty decent for Dallas last year too. He's not some amazing player by any means, but he's certainly a better big than I expected them to be able to land.

[HarlemHeat37]

Zaza is not that good. People have funny memories. He started out OK for Dallas and then nose dived pretty badly.

I mean, for the money, it's definitely a fine pick up and he should do well for them, but it's not like they signed a stud (nor did they need to).

He's easily better than Varajeo, tbh..

[raybies]

His price per production is the real thing here. There will be more signings like this.

[Nathan89]

He's easily better than Varajeo, tbh..

Varajeo is awful. I think Zaza is much better but I don't watch him much so I may be off.

[TheMulletMan3000]

Zaza is another dirty fuck for GSW. He's better than Mozgov who just signed for 4/64mil for crying out loud. Fuck this league.

My thought exactly.

[elemento]

He left a lot of money on the table to chase a ring, especially in this crazy FA. Way more than D-West last season.

[raybies]

If only the warriors got Hibbert instead :stirpot

[TheDoctor]

When is Parker's contract up?

2018

[Mr. Body]

There'll be a lot of eyes on Dubs this year. Zara won't be able to pull quite the same shit he did before.

[gambit1990]

About what?
you were wrong about saying that trading tp, green, and bonner for dragic, whiteside, and mcroberts this past season would've been abysmal :lol

[Robz4000]

There'll be a lot of eyes on Dubs this year. Zara won't be able to pull quite the same shit he did before.

Raymond Green literally got away with kicking opposing players in the nuts more than several times this past postseason, and the entire team regularly got away with moving screens the past two seasons. Zaza can do whatever the fuck he wants and the league won't care since he plays for GS.

[HarlemHeat37]

There'll be a lot of eyes on Dubs this year. Zara won't be able to pull quite the same shit he did before.

Have you watched Draymond and Bogut, my nigga?:lol

[BillMc]

Like if GSW couldn't get more hated :lol

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Probably the most true statement ever written. :lol

[objective]

There'll be a lot of eyes on Dubs this year. Zara won't be able to pull quite the same shit he did before.

I think he'll get away with lot more.

The refs in the regular season did their best to make sure the Warriors were near invincible, they let so much to from Golden State that it couldn't have been coincidence. Now with Durant on board ZaZa and Draymond have a license to kill.

[sasaint]

you were wrong about saying that trading tp, green, and bonner for dragic, whiteside, and mcroberts this past season would've been abysmal :lol

Abysmal for the Heat. No way they would have done that deal.

[BillMc]

Raymond Green literally got away with kicking opposing players in the nuts more than several times this past postseason, and the entire team regularly got away with moving screens the past two seasons. Zaza can do whatever the fuck he wants and the league won't care since he plays for GS.

As thuggish as the old Bad Boys but with great shooting.