Official 2016 Spurs Offseason Thread

[cutewizard]

The 15th spot might be reserved for Theodore......lol

[tmtcsc]

Thanks for the insight.

You've been on that train headed nowhere all summer long. Parker is likely going to play out his contract in San Antonio unless an offer/opportunity blows them away. I doubt Tony has much caché left around the league with his age, limted productivity and salary so Spurs will need to work "around him" in a sense.

If it was up to me they would have a better starter available in a Brandon Knight, Reggie Jackson or (healthy) Jeff Teague (with Tony being the "new Manu" 6th man), yet none of those players are viable options anymore. They will go with what they have and address the issue next year most likely.

I see DeJount as a combo guard and succesor to Manu (starting or backing up) then as our future starting PG. I love that he has point guard skills, but much like the guy he patterns his game after (Jamal Crawford) scoring and creating for himself will probably be his biggest strengths.

LOL at the idea of Kyle Anderson ever being a starting PG. Of all the fangirl/homerish stuff that you type about him (SAGirl) that his the most ludicrous. He would be torn apart having to bring the ball up consistently against starting calber players, doesn't have the athleticism to match up against most starters and isn't an adequate shooting threat from anywhere on the floor. Pop finally moving on from Diaw (bye BoBo) and letting Kyle play that position of "stretch/combo 4" is exactly what Kyle needs. It'll be the only way he'll stick in the league long-term with his athletic limitations.

I like the competition for the 15th spot, but I wish we could have found a player like the Argentine a few years earlier. I really, really think they need to invest the last roster spot in emergency/development point guard or another big man (tweener PF/C). Training camp and preseason should be interesting....

The Spurs are hurting at PG, period. Mills and Anderson aren't the answer and Dijon is years away from leading the team from the PG position. TP's greatest strength and importance was his ability to get easy baskets for the team. He might have 10 to 20 games where he is a difference maker, but I am see him being a liability at both ends of the floor for most of the season.

[MaNu4Tres]

Anderson is most effective against much smaller players. SG sized players can't guard him.

I guess the game may have changed enough that the PF on offense should be a perimeter player (or someone who stretches the floor). If KA has a mean 3 point shot, then I can see him having minutes as a stretch PF.

However, I think he's most effective as a guard assuming that there is mobile paint protection (i.e. Dedmond). I don't he has a prayer guarding the usual NBA guard one one one.

You're thinking of one on one basketball, not team basketball. In team basketball, a role player having just a size advantage on offense isn't valuable especially if he can't get past his man off the dribble ( which is the case for Anderson vs. NBA wings). If anything, a role player just having a size advantage is fools gold. Fools gold because you don't want to force feed a role player just because he has a size advantage -- the long run value on that proposition is negative. The end result will be a contested two ( the defender will be able to stay between him and the basket and a role player like Anderson won't ever demand a double team from a smart team). Another reason why its fools gold is because a player like Anderson shouldn't be taking a lot of shots in the first place -- and if he is, then you're a losing team or will lose. For role players, you want them to be as efficient as possible in the secondary option scenarios where they receive the bulk of their limited touches or opportunities from passes from the primary facilitators in the offense ( Kawhi, Aldridge, Parker, Pau, Manu).

For role playing wings, those secondary option scenarios include:
1. Catch and shoot 3's.
2. Ability to get past their man and create off hard close outs.
3. Finish strong off cuts to the basket from the weakside.
4. Being able to create the most efficient shot possible in desperate late shot clock situations.

For role playing PFs or Cs, those secondary option scenarios include:
1. Finishing inside efficiently -- lay ups, dunks, floaters.
2. Being able to make the right pass on 3 on 2, 2 on 1 opportunities off early catches on dives. ( Diaw was great at it, so was Splitter -- Anderson was great in the action during small sample in SL last month)
3. Being able to knock down PnPop opportunities from three or from midrange (hate midrange PnPops -- so glad West is gone).
4. Cleaning up weakside uncontested O rebounds when an attempted block is missed
5. Being able to create off the dribble from fake dribble hand off/pinch post action when their defender cheats over anticipating the drive or jumper from the wing/soon to be ball handler.
6. Being able to create the most efficient shot possible in desperate late shot clock situations.

It's more valuable to be quicker than your defender instead of taller -- especially in the NBA where its 5 on 5 and getting past your man can create the most efficient shots in basketball -- whether you're creating a shot at the basket for you or your teammate or the defense rotates over and it creates an open look from 3 on the weakside. Anderson has the ball-handling, size, passing, creating off the dribble tools, like Diaw, to create great looks for himself and his teammates from the power forward spot -- not small forward. Anderson is quicker than most PF's and has the length to where he's not oversized at the position. He'll be able to create more from triple threat positions off the catch, from fake dribble hand offs, and he'll also create great opportunities for his teammates and himself as a secondary play maker in dive PnR action when he receives the pass early in the dive action after he sets the screen for the ball handler ( like Diaw).

Anderson also has more positive value on D at the PF position as most of the offensive action with bench line ups is evolved around the perimeter in todays game. Having Anderson being the guy that switches or hedges out on the wing is valuable and will prolong the time the offense has to create a great look -- which is correlated to teams getting deep in the clock and taking bad shots. He also has the size to defend the back up PF well in ISO post situations -- if the opposition chooses to try to exploit that matchup -- which they'd be dumb to because post play is the most inefficient type of offensive -- especially for back up PFs.

In my opinion, Anderson has more value at the back up four spot than the back up three. No one can convince me otherwise. He should compete with Lee for minutes the position and I don't think Lee stands a chance to be the back up five over Dedmon as Dedmon is by far the superior player in all phases on defense.

[SAGirl]

Good post Manu4tres.. I didn't want to quote the entire post as it was long, but it was educating. :tu
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[SAGirl]

Who is penciled in as the backup SF? Is it still Kyle? I thought the plan was to play him at stretch 4. But Bertans did mention he'll be played at PF.
I don't think guys are "penciled in" personally.
Right now it's probably up for grabs, but I project JSimms to get the first shot at earning the spot with Bertans as another option.

[Joseph Kony]

You guys hang up too much on positions. Spurs like to use a lot of three guard lineups. Aside from Kawhi, we'll see lineups where Manu/Simmons/Green/Anderson/Bertans are all at the "SF" spot

[cjw]

You guys hang up too much on positions. Spurs like to use a lot of three guard lineups. Aside from Kawhi, we'll see lineups where Manu/Simmons/Green/Anderson/Bertans are all at the "SF" spot

Right. Offensively, position matters much less than skill (need mix of ballhandling, passing, shooting, rebounding, guys who can screen & roll, etc.). Doesn't matter which position it comes from as long as you have enough of those skills on the floor. Can get by as a smaller team assuming you shoot well enough or have undersized rebounders (good rebounding guards), or a bigger team so long as you don't clog the floor or have no ballhanders. Have deficient offensive players and your offense stagnates.

Defensively, it's about being able to match up - potentially against multiple types/sizes of players - as switching is ever more important. Have non-defenders and they'll get picked on. If you lack size, you better find a way to combat teams from pounding offensive glass - either rebounding well despite small ball, or force fast breaks.

I think Anderson will work as a situational PG so long as there is enough shooting on the floor and someone else can guard the PG (Danny most likely).

[tholdren]

You guys hang up too much on positions. Spurs like to use a lot of three guard lineups. Aside from Kawhi, we'll see lineups where Manu/Simmons/Green/Anderson/Bertans are all at the "SF" spot
This is just the running back or TE garbage that has now transcended the nfl. play the best player and it will all work out.

[TD 21]

Right. Offensively, position matters much less than skill (need mix of ballhandling, passing, shooting, rebounding, guys who can screen & roll, etc.). Doesn't matter which position it comes from as long as you have enough of those skills on the floor. Can get by as a smaller team assuming you shoot well enough or have undersized rebounders (good rebounding guards), or a bigger team so long as you don't clog the floor or have no ballhanders. Have deficient offensive players and your offense stagnates.

Defensively, it's about being able to match up - potentially against multiple types/sizes of players - as switching is ever more important. Have non-defenders and they'll get picked on. If you lack size, you better find a way to combat teams from pounding offensive glass - either rebounding well despite small ball, or force fast breaks.

I think Anderson will work as a situational PG so long as there is enough shooting on the floor and someone else can guard the PG (Danny most likely).

I've never understood why so many can't grasp this, especially considering this team has been a perfect example of it (Duncan, Ginobili, Splitter, Mills) for a long time.

Too many are expecting a hard and fast rotation, based on antiquated/rigid positional designations, when in reality the 9th and 10th spots will be both fluid and situational.

Whether Dedmon, Lee, Simmons and to a lesser extent Bertans, are in it for a given game or stretch of games, they'll all play at least relatively significant minutes throughout the season.

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/754405204536287232/8neyZuhc_bigger.jpg Shams Charania Verified account ‏@ShamsCharania (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)

The Warriors and veteran guard ****** Williams have agreed to a one-year deal, league sources tell The Vertical. Strong partial guarantee.

[Leetonidas]

who?

[ace3g]

E lliot Williams

[tholdren]

Wtf is he doing at rams training camp?
hittin on dudes, tbh

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/699365707578888192/Jj-i5bpQ_bigger.jpg Steve Kyler Verified account ‏@stevekylerNBA (https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA)

NBA AM: Thomas Robinson Looking for Right Situation - one of the top remaining free agents talks about his process.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/thomas-robinson-looking-for-right-situation/

[Spurs9]

E lliot Williams
Why is this censored? :lol

[Chinook]

Why is this censored? :lol

It's like "Fournier". You just DON'T want to look it up.

[Drom John]

You want to make fun of dudes that sign in China, then realize they make more money than you will in ten years...

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[r0drig0lac]

760474081456189441

lmao

[Chinook]

Dark side of the Spurs' reputation. People think that they make guys good, so if you can't hang on in SA, people assume you're a lost cause.

[K...]

Dark side of the Spurs' reputation. People think that they make guys good, so if you can't hang on in SA, people assume you're a lost cause.

We've had plenty of flunkies get jobs after we release/waive them. Jimmer just misjudged hIs bounce, stayed too long in the d league. the spurs are known for flexing their over seas contacts to find positions. I doubt jimmer took their help.

[look_at_g_shred]

Anyone else hearing the Rudy Gay to Spurs trade rumor?

[r0drig0lac]

Anyone else hearing the Rudy Gay to Spurs trade rumor?

http://www.gospelherald.com/articles/65675/20160801/nba-rumors-san-antonio-spurs-confirm-rudy-gay-trade-kawhi.htm

[look_at_g_shred]

Lol

[Spur|n|Austin]

http://www.gospelherald.com/articles/65675/20160801/nba-rumors-san-antonio-spurs-confirm-rudy-gay-trade-kawhi.htm

So that article says nothing about a Gay to SA trade..

[Chinook]

We've had plenty of flunkies get jobs after we release/waive them.

Not really. You have some call-ups, but I don't remember the last failed Spurs reclamation project that actually caught on somewhere else.

[Chinook]

So that article says nothing about a Gay to SA trade..

And it's a ridiculous article/site. Just look at this selection: http://www.gospelherald.com/search/google/?cx=010975830761117083458%3A55wqs14bcpu&cof=FORID%3A9&ie=UTF-8&q=spurs

[Dex]

And it's a ridiculous article/site. Just look at this selection: http://www.gospelherald.com/search/google/?cx=010975830761117083458%3A55wqs14bcpu&cof=FORID%3A9&ie=UTF-8&q=spurs

The article also positions a Gay trade as helping "Kawhi, Aldridge, and Green" to beat Golden State.

Um...do they really think Sacramento is going to trade Gay for Mills and picks?

[Chinook]

The article also positions a Gay trade as helping "Kawhi, Aldridge, and Green" to beat Golden State.

Um...do they really think Sacramento is going to trade Gay for Mills and picks?

Reminds me of that Lillard article -- which was from the same site, btb.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=262258&highlight=lillard

[jon123spurs]

Tweet is in reference to where Thomas Robinson would likely land:

Steve Kyler (@stevekylerNBA) tweeted at 0:24 PM on Tue, Aug 02, 2016:
Not that I have heard... heard Spurs more likely at this point, but that can always change with a phone call. https://t.co/VSeSYPTczh
(https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/760526793430401024?s=03)

[Leetonidas]

Meh. Would be nice but honestly doesnt matter too much now.

[gambit1990]

still want robinson. better than bonner, young, athletic, dude will be driven and compete. spurs environment would be good for him.

[gambit1990]

would take robinson over LJC.

[Chinook]

Too bad?

[sasaint]

would take robinson over LJC.

Says very little about Robinson, tbh.

[gambit1990]

Says very little about Robinson, tbh.
not expecting the world from robinson. he'd be solid off the bench. and good insurance even if there wasn't playing time for him.

[SAGirl]

Too bad?
And probably too late. Looks like he's now lowering his expectations but still has some illusions of grandeur.

[Kawhitstorm]

Anyone else hearing the Rudy Gay to Spurs trade rumor?

The only Rudy Gay trade rumor that ever made sense to me was the one for Tyreke Evans, the Kings need a ball handler & the Pelicans can use a Ryan Anderson replacement.

[gambit1990]

And probably too late. Looks like he's now lowering his expectations but still has some illusions of grandeur.

i never lowered my expectations. i think he can contribute.

and this isn't having illusions of grandeur:

not expecting the world from robinson. he'd be solid off the bench. and good insurance even if there wasn't playing time for him.


what else is there for you to misinterpret?

[SAGirl]

i never lowered my expectations. i think he can contribute.

and this isn't having illusions of grandeur:



what else is there for you to misinterpret?
:lol Its somewhere in the thread. Dude expected 20+ minutes and a role from his next team. Coming into the league he himself said he wanted to a Kobe level star. He's now saying he accepts he's more like a role player and is willing to play a role. He admitted himself he had a big head coming into the league bad had to be humbled.

[Chinook]

i never lowered my expectations. i think he can contribute.

and this isn't having illusions of grandeur:



what else is there for you to misinterpret?

She's talking about Robinson?

[gambit1990]

:lol Its somewhere in the thread. Dude expected 20+ minutes and a role from his next team. Coming into the league he himself said he wanted to a Kobe level star. He's now saying he accepts he's more like a role player and is willing to play a role. He admitted himself he had a big head coming into the league bad had to be humbled.
my bad, i thought you were talking about me :lol

[gambit1990]

i thought chinook was replying to me and with sagirl quoting him, i thought she meant me.

[SAGirl]

i thought chinook was replying to me and with sagirl quoting him, i thought she meant me.
fair enough, :tu lol not everything is about you you know? I hope you don't take that in a bad way. :lol

I was indeed talking about Robinson. It seems like he did come into the league with too big a head by his own admissions and had trouble accepting a limited role early on in his career. He's now seen how guys like Biyombo and Tristan were very successful as roleplayers in good teams and earned themselves huge contracts. That's probably the only thing that has made him accept a limited role. He still expects the minutes to be handed to him without him earning those and has probably passed on few opportunities with teams by now because he probably didn't want to compete with other guys or he didn't get the assurance from the FO that he would be in the rotation. He still think he's made it in the league. It's possible Brooklyn Nets didn't want him back precisely because of his own unrealistic expectations of 20+ minutes and him being so public about that. It was going to be a disaster with a new coach to deal with an ego like that.

Seems like a PF SJAX like someone said a few posts ago.

[ace3g]

Dan Woike Verified account ‏@DanWoikeSports (https://twitter.com/DanWoikeSports) Sources - Clippers have agreed to a deal with G/F Alan Anderson

[Seventyniner]

Dan Woike Verified account ‏@DanWoikeSports (https://twitter.com/DanWoikeSports) Sources - Clippers have agreed to a deal with G/F Alan Anderson

Strange fit. He's a volume scorer like Crawford, hard to build a bench around two of those.

[Kawhitstorm]

Strange fit. He's a volume scorer like Crawford, hard to build a bench around two of those.

Doc signed Josh Smith & traded for Lance last season::lol

Speight/Rivers/Crawford/Anderson/Bass::lmao (Shoot-on-sight)

[cd98]

The dream is over...Jimmer to China.

[spurtech09]

Anyone else hearing the Rudy Gay to Spurs trade rumor?
Yea....Would be sweet if the Spurs can get him....

[DJR210]

:lol Gospel Herald

[tbdog]

Yea....Would be sweet if the Spurs can get him....

To get the done, spurs will need to trade either one of Green or Parker. Although Gay is a better player than Green, he is not a better fit, considering he plays the same position as our best player. And there has been no news to shop Parker. The spurs however could trade just over 8 mil of contracts to the Kings to get a deal done. For that to happen Spurs would need to trade Mills, Anderson, Murray, Simmons, rights to Arc, Garino, Frobes, maybe even rights to Bonner. But I am unsure exactly of these rules and how they work.

The point is, it sounds way to hard to make it possible.

[cutewizard]

The Point Center has arrived at the shores of the Spurs universe:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB56RxsBG_8

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ttK1uM-ZrE

[gambit1990]

hey, australia-france is saturday!

it'll be great seeing mills vs parker. hope they both look good on the court.

[FvckMavs]

who cares? Just don't get hurt.

hey, australia-france is saturday!

it'll be great seeing mills vs parker. hope they both look good on the court.

[gambit1990]

i care because we have players playing. and preseason isn't starting until october. and there's no football right now.

[NASpurs]

:lol

http://fansided.com/2016/08/03/nba-rumors-spurs-sign-steph-curry-2017/
NBA Rumors: Spurs to target Steph Curry in free agency?

Ric Bucher believes the Spurs will target Stephen Curry next summer in free agency.

The Golden State Warriors landed the biggest free agency domino when they signed Kevin Durant. With Durant on board a new “big four” has been formed that is unlike any other as Durant, Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson and Draymond Green are all arguably top 15 players.

The Warriors broke the regular season wins record last season with 73 wins, though even with Durant they most likely won’t chase that record again as they may find it wise to rest their stars once their probable number #1 seed is locked up.

Resting their star players is something they did not do last season and it may have cost them. As the Warriors ultimately did not lock like the same team in the playoffs and lost in seven games to the Cleveland Cavilers in the NBA Finals after taking a 3-1 lead.

For one title contender, they hope that a scenario of Golden State not being able to capture the title crown will continue again next season. That team is the San Antonio Spurs. Ric Bucher of Bleacher Report believes that the Spurs will use the idea that Kevin Durant has come to Golden State and has taken away some of the super-stardom away from Stephen Curry in order to try to lure Curry to San Antonio.

Bucher believes that the Spurs will try to persuade to Stephen Curry that if he joins the Spurs he will be the superstar again and will form a formidable trio with Kawhi Leonard and LaMarcus Aldrige. Though he believes that this theory is only viable if the Warriors don’t capture the championship.

While this theory may seem far fetched at the moment, keep in mind that no one actually believed that Kevin Durant would join the Warriors. So if the the Warriors fail to win the championship again and Curry feels that some of his super-stardom has been taken away, we will see how “humble” Curry really is if he decides to leave Golden State.

[Leetonidas]

Lol every team in the league is going to target Steph curry

[.G.]

The Point Center has arrived at the shores of the Spurs universe:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB56RxsBG_8

That was very fun to watch.

[Dancelot]

:lol

http://fansided.com/2016/08/03/nba-rumors-spurs-sign-steph-curry-2017/
NBA Rumors: Spurs to target Steph Curry in free agency?

Ric Bucher believes the Spurs will target Stephen Curry next summer in free agency.

The Golden State Warriors landed the biggest free agency domino when they signed Kevin Durant. With Durant on board a new “big four” has been formed that is unlike any other as Durant, Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson and Draymond Green are all arguably top 15 players.

The Warriors broke the regular season wins record last season with 73 wins, though even with Durant they most likely won’t chase that record again as they may find it wise to rest their stars once their probable number #1 seed is locked up.

Resting their star players is something they did not do last season and it may have cost them. As the Warriors ultimately did not lock like the same team in the playoffs and lost in seven games to the Cleveland Cavilers in the NBA Finals after taking a 3-1 lead.

For one title contender, they hope that a scenario of Golden State not being able to capture the title crown will continue again next season. That team is the San Antonio Spurs. Ric Bucher of Bleacher Report believes that the Spurs will use the idea that Kevin Durant has come to Golden State and has taken away some of the super-stardom away from Stephen Curry in order to try to lure Curry to San Antonio.

Bucher believes that the Spurs will try to persuade to Stephen Curry that if he joins the Spurs he will be the superstar again and will form a formidable trio with Kawhi Leonard and LaMarcus Aldrige. Though he believes that this theory is only viable if the Warriors don’t capture the championship.

While this theory may seem far fetched at the moment, keep in mind that no one actually believed that Kevin Durant would join the Warriors. So if the the Warriors fail to win the championship again and Curry feels that some of his super-stardom has been taken away, we will see how “humble” Curry really is if he decides to leave Golden State.
:lol We have a better shot at Westbrook than curry and neither is likely as I see it. Bucher just making shit up as usual.

[BatManu20]

"Spurs will target Stephen Curry"

:lol

[Dancelot]

I'm just hoping murry becomes the real deal and we won't have to worry about getting either of those assholes.

[BatManu20]

This cockroach just won't die tbh :lol

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[Dancelot]

This cockroach just won't die tbh :lol

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Watch the Spurs pick him up :lol

[SpursFan86]

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[Chinook]

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Fuck Amico. He's the one who posted that stupid-ass Monre rumor.

[LakerHater]

is it really a comeback if the reason you not playin is cuz nobody wanted you??

[gambit1990]

Watch the Spurs pick him up :lol
i would feel so gross. if was between him or ray allen i'd choose ray allen easily.

[gambit1990]

760874375491031040
sign the man up already rc.

[gambit1990]

The Point Center has arrived at the shores of the Spurs universe:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB56RxsBG_8
people who didn't want him :lol he put those points against gobert too.

chinook wanted sully and boban over him :lol

[dabom]

people who didn't want him :lol he put those points against gobert too.

chinook wanted sully and boban over him :lol

chinook wanted dwest. :lol

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/755650666744451078/uiUP3yeS_bigger.jpg Adam Joseph ‏@AdamJosephSport (https://twitter.com/AdamJosephSport)

Russell Westbrook is set to sign an extension with OKC. Details are with the league for final approvals. Press conference is tomorrow.

[gambit1990]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/755650666744451078/uiUP3yeS_bigger.jpg Adam Joseph ‏@AdamJosephSport (https://twitter.com/AdamJosephSport)

Russell Westbrook is set to sign an extension with OKC. Details are with the league for final approvals. Press conference is tomorrow.
wow. big news. it'll be bigger than conley's deal?

[Snaq O'Meal]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/755650666744451078/uiUP3yeS_bigger.jpg Adam Joseph ‏@AdamJosephSport (https://twitter.com/AdamJosephSport)

Russell Westbrook is set to sign an extension with OKC. Details are with the league for final approvals. Press conference is tomorrow.

Sign and trade perhaps?

[dabom]

Sign and trade perhaps?

Why else would he need to sign.

[Seventyniner]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/755650666744451078/uiUP3yeS_bigger.jpg Adam Joseph ‏@AdamJosephSport (https://twitter.com/AdamJosephSport)

Russell Westbrook is set to sign an extension with OKC. Details are with the league for final approvals. Press conference is tomorrow.

Makes no sense whatsoever. Why would he leave so many millions on the table to stay with a team whose ceiling is a second-round exit?

[SpursFan86]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/755650666744451078/uiUP3yeS_bigger.jpg Adam Joseph ‏@AdamJosephSport (https://twitter.com/AdamJosephSport)

Russell Westbrook is set to sign an extension with OKC. Details are with the league for final approvals. Press conference is tomorrow.
Chinook

This makes no sense, right? Westbrook would lose out on quite a bit of money if he extended now as opposed to re-signing next year, correct?

[SAGirl]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/755650666744451078/uiUP3yeS_bigger.jpg Adam Joseph ‏@AdamJosephSport (https://twitter.com/AdamJosephSport)

Russell Westbrook is set to sign an extension with OKC. Details are with the league for final approvals. Press conference is tomorrow.
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Good news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Always felt like Russell was the Alpha in that team.. He's not afraid of the challenge to be the man. Really glad for OkC fans TBH.

[SpursFan86]

:flag:


Good news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Always felt like Russell was the Alpha in that team.. He's not afraid of the challenge to be the man. Really glad for OkC fans TBH.

It's some random guy with little-to-no credibility, and no other credible sources have mentioned it...so I wouldn't be so sure of anything at this point :lol

[toki9]

Chinook (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557)

This makes no sense, right? Westbrook would lose out on quite a bit of money if he extended now as opposed to re-signing next year, correct?

Doesn't seem to be the case...here is an interesting article. Basically, he can extend the contract so he becomes a free agent as a 10-year player (Tier 3 max player) rather than opting out next year--and then re-sign with OKC. In that scenario, it seems to net him $258.8 (million) vs opting out next year and signing with someone else ($198 million). It's complicated.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/front-office-insider-russell-westbrooks-000000869.html

[timtonymanu]

Watch that faggot Fisher sign with the Dubs because he would.

[sasaint]

Chinook

This makes no sense, right? Westbrook would lose out on quite a bit of money if he extended now as opposed to re-signing next year, correct?

So, it only makes sense for Spurs players to give hometown discounts to enable the front office to build a stronger team around them?

[Chinook]

Chinook

This makes no sense, right? Westbrook would lose out on quite a bit of money if he extended now as opposed to re-signing next year, correct?

Not necessarily. He can get a max extension using OKC's cap space, and that would be worth more over the next four years than anything another team can give him, and depending on how low the cap is, it might be more than even OKC can give him.

However, he can't be traded for six months if he signs that type of deal. Getting close to the deadline. In any case, this would take him off the market for a long time.

[toki9]

Not necessarily. He can get a max extension using OKC's cap space, and that would be worth more over the next four years than anything another team can give him, and depending on how low the cap is, it might be more than even OKC can give him.

However, he can't be traded for six months if he signs that type of deal. Getting close to the deadline. In any case, this would take him off the market for a long time.

Here is an article that gives more color on the salary scenario: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/front-office-insider-russell-westbrooks-000000869.html

[SpursFan86]

Looks like there might have been something to it...

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At least we can stop hearing about the "Westbrook to Spurs" trade scenarios :lol

[LakerHater]

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[cutewizard]

Derek Fisher running out of money, ey? hehehehehehe

omg this human wants to play again, perhaps for OKC, hahahahaha

[cutewizard]

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No Los Angeles for the fashionista then??

Haha, Lakers and Clippers be sad.

Russell Westbrook is set to sign an extension with OKC. Details are with the league for final approvals. Press conference is tomorrow.

[tholdren]

I hope he rings next year. There's something to be said about loyalty.

[cutewizard]

Westbrook could be regular season MVP next year with a slew of triple doubles, lol

[SAGirl]

It's some random guy with little-to-no credibility, and no other credible sources have mentioned it...so I wouldn't be so sure of anything at this point :lol

Awww well, someone went out on a limb lol

[SAGirl]

Looks like there might have been something to it...

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At least we can stop hearing about the "Westbrook to Spurs" trade scenarios :lol
Go for it Russ...
Frankly not that I am an OKC or Russ fan, but I respect him more than the Durbeta. And it also diminishes the league to have excessive teams like the current GSW. I hope they underachieve and Durant leaves if anything bc I don't like so many stars jumbled up together. They already had a big 3 and didn't need Durbeta.

Now I will be entertained thinking where Durbeta ends up next season. I think he's opting out.

Damn I want the Spurs to catch the GSW unawares. I don't know if we have it, but we definitely have more offensive firepower than last season...

[cutewizard]

Never underestimate a motivated Gasol, Lamarcus and Kawhi.......

Gasol, when inspired, is the best player in a game......

Lamarcus better improved this offseason with the salary the Spurs are giving him.....

And Kawhi, how is he now, how is he doing? What moves did he add to his repertoire??

:claw

[Chinook]

People shouldn't be crediting Russ. He's essentially agreeing to give OKC another year in exchange for like $40 Million. He's signing a two-year extension with a player option after the first year. It's not a horrible move by the Thunder, but no one should be patting Westbrook on the back either.

[SAGirl]

People shouldn't be crediting Russ. He's essentially agreeing to give OKC another year in exchange for like $40 Million. He's signing a two-year extension with a player option after the first year. It's not a horrible move by the Thunder, but no one should be patting Westbrook on the back either.
Well financial considerations are huge but it's still two years of a short career. He definitely could have done Durbeta move.

[Keepin' it real]

You're thinking of one on one basketball, not team basketball. In team basketball, a role player having just a size advantage on offense isn't valuable especially if he can't get past his man off the dribble ( which is the case for Anderson vs. NBA wings). If anything, a role player just having a size advantage is fools gold. Fools gold because you don't want to force feed a role player just because he has a size advantage -- the long run value on that proposition is negative. The end result will be a contested two ( the defender will be able to stay between him and the basket and a role player like Anderson won't ever demand a double team from a smart team). Another reason why its fools gold is because a player like Anderson shouldn't be taking a lot of shots in the first place -- and if he is, then you're a losing team or will lose. For role players, you want them to be as efficient as possible in the secondary option scenarios where they receive the bulk of their limited touches or opportunities from passes from the primary facilitators in the offense ( Kawhi, Aldridge, Parker, Pau, Manu).

For role playing wings, those secondary option scenarios include:
1. Catch and shoot 3's.
2. Ability to get past their man and create off hard close outs.
3. Finish strong off cuts to the basket from the weakside.
4. Being able to create the most efficient shot possible in desperate late shot clock situations.

For role playing PFs or Cs, those secondary option scenarios include:
1. Finishing inside efficiently -- lay ups, dunks, floaters.
2. Being able to make the right pass on 3 on 2, 2 on 1 opportunities off early catches on dives. ( Diaw was great at it, so was Splitter -- Anderson was great in the action during small sample in SL last month)
3. Being able to knock down PnPop opportunities from three or from midrange (hate midrange PnPops -- so glad West is gone).
4. Cleaning up weakside uncontested O rebounds when an attempted block is missed
5. Being able to create off the dribble from fake dribble hand off/pinch post action when their defender cheats over anticipating the drive or jumper from the wing/soon to be ball handler.
6. Being able to create the most efficient shot possible in desperate late shot clock situations.

It's more valuable to be quicker than your defender instead of taller -- especially in the NBA where its 5 on 5 and getting past your man can create the most efficient shots in basketball -- whether you're creating a shot at the basket for you or your teammate or the defense rotates over and it creates an open look from 3 on the weakside. Anderson has the ball-handling, size, passing, creating off the dribble tools, like Diaw, to create great looks for himself and his teammates from the power forward spot -- not small forward. Anderson is quicker than most PF's and has the length to where he's not oversized at the position. He'll be able to create more from triple threat positions off the catch, from fake dribble hand offs, and he'll also create great opportunities for his teammates and himself as a secondary play maker in dive PnR action when he receives the pass early in the dive action after he sets the screen for the ball handler ( like Diaw).

Anderson also has more positive value on D at the PF position as most of the offensive action with bench line ups is evolved around the perimeter in todays game. Having Anderson being the guy that switches or hedges out on the wing is valuable and will prolong the time the offense has to create a great look -- which is correlated to teams getting deep in the clock and taking bad shots. He also has the size to defend the back up PF well in ISO post situations -- if the opposition chooses to try to exploit that matchup -- which they'd be dumb to because post play is the most inefficient type of offensive -- especially for back up PFs.

In my opinion, Anderson has more value at the back up four spot than the back up three. No one can convince me otherwise. He should compete with Lee for minutes the position and I don't think Lee stands a chance to be the back up five over Dedmon as Dedmon is by far the superior player in all phases on defense.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qu46svpJ5g

[Ditty]

I'm just happy it's another year or two Lakers fans will continue being delusional that Westbrook will join them, while continuing to be mediocre at best.

[Chinook]

Well financial considerations are huge but it's still two years of a short career. He definitely could have done Durbeta move.

It's one year. He'll be in the same position next year.

[SAGirl]

It's one year. He'll be in the same position next year.
He wont be a FA for two years right?
or am I confused here.

[spurs10]

If he has a player option for 18-19 it sounds like the first two years he is in OKC. Perhaps he has a player option in 17-18 too..??

[Sean Cagney]

Looks like there might have been something to it...

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At least we can stop hearing about the "Westbrook to Spurs" trade scenarios :lol
Some how I think you will still hear them from some folks in here :lol, they will come up with some crazy trade Scenario and how he inked the deal just because they came to terms behind closed doors before they traded him to SA.

[Chinook]

He wont be a FA for two years right?
or am I confused here.


If he has a player option for 18-19 it sounds like the first two years he is in OKC. Perhaps he has a player option in 17-18 too..??

He was always under contract for this season. So without the option, he just tacked on another season at the cost of $40 Million. So next season, OKC will once again have an expiring Westbrook, this time with the burden of a player option..

[SAGirl]

He was always under contract for this season. So without the option, he just tacked on another season at the cost of $40 Million. So next season, OKC will once again have an expiring Westbrook, this time with the burden of a player option..
I see...but that's still a good situation for OKC. They couldn't afford to lose him and come up empty handed. I realize Russ didn't do this out of the goodness of his heart but I still applaud him. He chose to see what OKC could do while also getting paid. Look at Portland, lost LMA but is still in the playoffs. They could have sold him on Oladipo having more upside than CJ and them having better bigs than Portland and Russ has to have his ego thinking he's better than Lillard. Just an example of another franchise that lost a star and rebuilt quickly. They probably still feel they are a playoff team, not a championship hopeful like OKC was but they must have a plan surely.

I like the outcome personally. I thought Russ for Spurs was a longer shot than Durant.

[elemento]

:lol people thinking it's a loyalty move. It's purely financial. Russ just has a good and smart agent.

Makes 8m more this season, 28.5m next season and has a PO to become a FA when he is a 10-year vet.

[SAGirl]

:lol people thinking it's a loyalty move. It's purely financial. Russ just has a good and smart agent.

Makes 8m more this season, 28.5m next season and has a PO to become a FA when he is a 10-year vet.

He was going to get a lot more money regardless. So did CJ, Lillard, LeBron, Durant-signing the one contract. I don't expect these guys to get less when mediocre role players are getting overpaid. If anything, stars are the only ones that are truly deserving of the exorbitant contracts. He just wasn't expected to sign an extension at all to begin with.

[Hoops Czar]

He was always under contract for this season. So without the option, he just tacked on another season at the cost of $40 Million. So next season, OKC will once again have an expiring Westbrook, this time with the burden of a player option..

And the Spurs only have one player OKC covets and they can't have him so it's not worth discussing. San Antonio as a landing spot is out of the question.

[apalisoc_9]

Damn it..How many more days before the regular season starts? More than 80?

[CGD]

He was always under contract for this season. So without the option, he just tacked on another season at the cost of $40 Million. So next season, OKC will once again have an expiring Westbrook, this time with the burden of a player option..

Isnt he eligibile for the 35%/10 yrs experience bump soon? Or is that 2018? In any event, in addition to timing free agency to maximize that, isnt OKC the only team that can offer the max raises too?

He'll play out his career in OKC.

[Yuixafun]

Not 100% sure but I think I might have seen Bertans at my work tonight.

We have a manger that's like 6'8 named Chris and when this other dude walked in it created a stir.

I was rolling at the six spot when someone murmured "I think he has a couple inches on Chris..." I looked up at the door and I immediately thought Basketball player and ... man that chick with him is kind of fine.

I Sort of called out "Bertans!" and he looked right at me. But this his hair wasn't orange, seemed brown to me, maybe he dyed it darker or the light, or it wasn't him heh.

BUT Super tall, moved athletically, sexy woman, looked foreign, made eye contact when I called out hmmm...

LOL maybe he was asking his teammates if they knew any sushi spots and Tony Parker put in a good word for us.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Not 100% sure but I think I might have seen Bertans at my work tonight.

We have a manger that's like 6'8 named Chris and when this other dude walked in it created a stir.

I was rolling at the six spot when someone murmured "I think he has a couple inches on Chris..." I looked up at the door and I immediately thought Basketball player and ... man that chick with him is kind of fine.

I Sort of called out "Bertans!" and he looked right at me. But this his hair wasn't orange, seemed brown to me, maybe he dyed it darker or the light, or it wasn't him heh.

BUT Super tall, moved athletically, sexy woman, looked foreign, made eye contact when I called out hmmm...

LOL maybe he was asking his teammates if they knew any sushi spots and Tony Parker put in a good word for us.

Tony Parker may have put in more than just a good word.

[cutewizard]

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2016/8/4/12373588/spurs-transition-reload-rebuild-contend

[Chinook]

Isnt he eligibile for the 35%/10 yrs experience bump soon? Or is that 2018? In any event, in addition to timing free agency to maximize that, isnt OKC the only team that can offer the max raises too?

He'll play out his career in OKC.

Only OKC can give him max raises, but they aren't the only one who can give him the 35 percent unless the CBA changes.

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[SpursFan86]

Pop and Cam'ron :lol

[Spur-Addict]

:lol That's super random

[Darius Bieber]

Matt Bonner mentioned on a podcast that it is "very likely" he will not be on the Spurs next season.

[Emperor]

Matt Bonner mentioned on a podcast that it is "very likely" he will not be on the Spurs next season.

Well that is encouraging news for all of us i must say.

[BatManu20]

Pop spotted in NYC yesterday getting a hotdog. I think that girl in the back might recognize him :lol


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cpg8WI7VUAAoKdx?format=jpg&name=large

[rastaspur]

Pop spotted in NYC yesterday getting a hotdog. I think that girl in the back might recognize him :lol


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cpg8WI7VUAAoKdx?format=jpg&name=large

They actually look like they are staring at the person taking the picture. Like wtf, creeper, why you taking pics of us. Probably automatically assume nothing else is picture worthy.

[DPG21920]

Pop spotted in NYC yesterday getting a hotdog. I think that girl in the back might recognize him :lol


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1) Pop looking healthy. Looks slimmer

2) How do you know he got a hot dog? Look at how big the menu is. My bet is Falafle.

[SAGirl]

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[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrIPxlFzDi0

[cutewizard]

Waiting for the regular season to start, it sucks man!

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF2l_rWdvDs

[spurs10]

1) Pop looking healthy. Looks slimmer

2) How do you know he got a hot dog? Look at how big the menu is. My bet is Falafle. Yeah a falafel is a good bet. Best I've had are in NYC. However he might be on a 'when in Rome...' mood. Probably the only place I'd order a hot dog. He does indeed look like he's dropped a few pounds getting in shape for a shocker of a season.

[spurs10]

Waiting for the regular season to start, it sucks man! I keep reading the schedule!

[cutewizard]

Just amusing myself with these videos.........



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fKtu6YoIxg

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0HhaTVfxZE

[cutewizard]

Spurs Offense will DEFINITELY have an upgrade with the addition of PAU GASOL!

but how about the defense?? mixed reactions in the web about this, analysts differing

we shall find out soon enough

[T Park]

The defense will drop from record setting best in the NBA to an embarrassing top 5. I know, completely unacceptable to the coaches here.

[spurs10]

Just amusing myself with these videos.........



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fKtu6YoIxg



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0HhaTVfxZE


Spurs Offense will DEFINITELY have an upgrade with the addition of PAU GASOL!

but how about the defense?? mixed reactions in the web about this, analysts differing

we shall find out soon enough Think we will improve offensively and will drop from #1 but nothing crazy. It's our culture- Pop will make sure everyone is all in. Thanks for the videos! Tomorrows game Manu vs Pau will be fun to watch!

[spurs10]

The defense will drop from record setting best in the NBA to an embarrassing top 5. I know, completely unacceptable to the coaches here. :tu

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

The defense will drop from record setting best in the NBA to an embarrassing top 5. I know, completely unacceptable to the coaches here.

Sounds about right...

[smaka]

Per Marc Stein on Twitter:

"The San Antonio Spurs are indeed working on trying to bring rugged Argentinean guard Nicolas Laprovittola to the NBA, league sources say"

[Seventyniner]

Per Marc Stein on Twitter:

"The San Antonio Spurs are indeed working on trying to bring rugged Argentinean guard Nicolas Laprovittola to the NBA, league sources say"

Does the D-League count as the NBA?

[cutewizard]

Thanks for the appreciation man!

Kudos!

[cutewizard]

Think we will improve offensively and will drop from #1 but nothing crazy. It's our culture- Pop will make sure everyone is all in. Thanks for the videos! Tomorrows game Manu vs Pau will be fun to watch!


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Thanks for the appreciation man!

Kudos!

[cutewizard]

Per Marc Stein on Twitter:

"The San Antonio Spurs are indeed working on trying to bring rugged Argentinean guard Nicolas Laprovittola to the NBA, league sources say"

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Watch him, he is NOT afraid of physical contact.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czAQt8pF7_Q

[loveforthegame]

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He says Utah will waive Marshall. Philly is mulling whether to keep or waive Pleiss. The trade was a salary dump.

[cutewizard]

Spurs have some deadly shooters this time around!

Patty Mills is the resident bomber of our bench, and he is in good form right now:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMU59yd9xJM

LOL!!!!!!

And, lest we forget, we got another bomber in Davis Bertans:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5gfj_j4U50

Latvian sharpshooter is pretty good, huh!

And now, we add Nicolas the pure point guard who can shoot this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhNkm-PzhXU


Conclusion: The Spurs bench this year CAN SHOOT! Yes!

[ace3g]

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I hope you don't mind, I will bump this every time crazy trade discussions pop up.

Though they will undoubtedly lose some talent yet again bc the market is inflating salaries to that extent.

[GSH]

OKC just picked up Joffrey Lauvergne for two protected future second round picks. He's only making $1.7M this year, and will be RFA next season with a salary of $2.1M. That would have been a GREAT pickup for the Spurs. He would be a solid contributor now, and he's still got upside. He would have been a HUGE upgrade over LJC.

[rastaspur]

OKC just picked up Joffrey Lauvergne for two protected future second round picks. He's only making $1.7M this year, and will be RFA next season with a salary of $2.1M. That would have been a GREAT pickup for the Spurs. He would be a solid contributor now, and he's still got upside. He would have been a HUGE upgrade over LJC.

Thats a steal by okc. Joeffrey has skills. He is more athletic than he appears. Nice trade by okc.

[sasaint]

OKC just picked up Joffrey Lauvergne for two protected future second round picks. He's only making $1.7M this year, and will be RFA next season with a salary of $2.1M. That would have been a GREAT pickup for the Spurs. He would be a solid contributor now, and he's still got upside. He would have been a HUGE upgrade over LJC.

But... But... But... We are obligated to carry LJC.

[SAGirl]

OKC just picked up Joffrey Lauvergne for two protected future second round picks. He's only making $1.7M this year, and will be RFA next season with a salary of $2.1M. That would have been a GREAT pickup for the Spurs. He would be a solid contributor now, and he's still got upside. He would have been a HUGE upgrade over LJC.
Might have been a better pick up than Lee too and I hope I am wrong about Lee, bc he's in the Spurs right now so there is no point in me rooting against the man when he will end up playing no matter what.
Instead LJC is probably only scheduled for some garbage time early in the season and a whole lot of dleague, not a guy they are counting on this season.

[ceperez]

Thats a steal by okc. Joeffrey has skills. He is more athletic than he appears. Nice trade by okc.

Left me scratching my head. How many centers do they have now? They got Sabonis in the draft. They pick this guy up. They still have Adams and Kanter. They have Collison and McGary who are forwards, but more like centers who can't spread the floor. That's 6 white guys and the only one who can shoot is Kanter!

[rastaspur]

Mcgary has to be on his way out now that joffrey is in the mix. Otherwise, the roster balace is an issue. I guess it signals they are giving up on him like with cole aldrich a few years ago.

A sabonis, kanter, adams, joffrey. Rotation is pretty damn solid. Sabonis is going to be a solid addition.

Thunder finish in the top 4 in the west imo and westbrook gets an mvp trophy.

[Robz4000]

If McGary can be gotten for a second rounder the Spurs should take a look. Game is similar to Baynes but he's still young enough to grow into something more.

[K...]

I doubt they trade with us though, he probably has a higher value to random east teams. I think most teams know okc is open to trade everyone

[SAGirl]

Left me scratching my head. How many centers do they have now? They got Sabonis in the draft. They pick this guy up. They still have Adams and Kanter. They have Collison and McGary who are forwards, but more like centers who can't spread the floor. That's 6 white guys and the only one who can shoot is Kanter!
Saw in the news that MCGary is facing a 5day suspension for testing positive to weed. He didn't play much last season and could be on his way out. Collison is Bonner status, basically a vet they have to do whatever vets of his nature do for the locker room. Sabonis maybe too raw too? But yea I get your point

[TD 21]

Lauvergne definitely takes McGary's roster spot, but unlike the latter, who was stuck behind two rotation centers, the former will only be stuck behind one rotation power forward.

Beyond next season, they'll either let Ilyasova (though more of a third big, he's their only starting power forward option) walk or try to trade Kanter. They've got Oladipo, Adams and Roberson extensions on the horizon, plus they'll have to make room for Sabonis in the rotation.

[rastaspur]

Lauvergne definitely takes McGary's roster spot, but unlike the latter, who was stuck behind two rotation centers, the former will only be stuck behind one rotation power forward.

Beyond next season, they'll either let Ilyasova (though more of a third big, he's their only starting power forward option) walk or try to trade Kanter. They've got Oladipo, Adams and Roberson extensions on the horizon, plus they'll have to make room for Sabonis in the rotation.

I keep forgetting they got ersan in that trade. Thats a solid 5 man big rotation when you throw him in there. If joffrey can improve three point consistency then that gives okc two decent stretch fours to go along with adams, kanter and sabonis. Sabonis may not get alot of burn this year.

[gambit1990]

tbh, can't say i'm especially looking forward to our starting frontcourt of lma and gasol going up against blake and deandre. on the defensive end.

[gambit1990]

i guess i forgot that parker's contract isn't over after this upcoming season :rolleyes

i wanted to trade him this past season when he had trade value so he would be off the books next summer.

[808]

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Bye Patty :depressed

[gambit1990]

if there comes a magical day where parker gets traded... spurstalk has no idea how happy i'd be. it'd feel like a monkey off my back.

all those parker defenders must either be dead or enjoying a really long summer tbh.

[ace3g]

Did Durant have a no visible tattoo clause in OKC?

He is turning into Birdman now






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[SAGirl]

^^^ Looks very cheese

[Snaq O'Meal]

Did Durant have a no visible tattoo clause in OKC?

He is turning into Birdman now






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He probably has "RAY" tattooed on his manhood, which becomes "DRAY" whenever he views a certain Snapchat photo of that mouth-breather.

[SAGirl]

Austin Spurs keep getting their guys in the league or in good teams.... it's a good sign for all the guys who will be assigned to Austin.
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[Mamuza94]

OKC just picked up Joffrey Lauvergne for two protected future second round picks. He's only making $1.7M this year, and will be RFA next season with a salary of $2.1M. That would have been a GREAT pickup for the Spurs. He would be a solid contributor now, and he's still got upside. He would have been a HUGE upgrade over LJC.

Joffrey is a great player, great guy, hard worker... and would be beautiful to watch Bertans and him playing together again.
And if Milutinov come to Spurs in near future... that's half of Partizan in Spurs :)

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[ace3g]

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Nuggets To Sign Jarnell Stokes To Camp Deal: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/243258/Nuggets-To-Sign-Jarnell-Stokes-To-Camp-Deal … (https://t.co/sdk1DZou5y)

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[ace3g]

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Bbq at home for the rookies and the rocket last night in SA. Great time! https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f1e6-1f1f7.pnghttps://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f1e6-1f1f7.pnghttps://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f1e6-1f1f7.pnghttps://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f1e6-1f1f7.pnginhttps://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png

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[ace3g]

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Countdown to #KiaTipOff16 (https://twitter.com/hashtag/KiaTipOff16?src=hash): 50 Days!

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[SPURt]

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Bbq at home for the rookies and the rocket last night in SA. Great time! https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f1e6-1f1f7.pnghttps://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f1e6-1f1f7.pnghttps://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f1e6-1f1f7.pnghttps://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f1e6-1f1f7.pnginhttps://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f1fa-1f1f8.png

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LOL!! That shirt Pablo is wearing is brutal! Does anyone know if Argentinians find that offensive? Why wouldn't they draw a young Maradona instead of the currrent rotund version?

[apalisoc_9]

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Countdown to #KiaTipOff16 (https://twitter.com/hashtag/KiaTipOff16?src=hash): 50 Days!

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50 days? Damn...That's a long wait...it feels like I've been waiting forever.

[Solid D]

LOL!! That shirt Pablo is wearing is brutal! Does anyone know if Argentinians find that offensive? Why wouldn't they draw a young Maradona instead of the currrent rotund version?

Probably because, realistically, the vintage 1986 Maradona who captained the NT to the World Cup title wouldn't have been able to stand with his arm around Lionel because Lionel wasn't born yet.

[Mr. Body]

LOL!! That shirt Pablo is wearing is brutal! Does anyone know if Argentinians find that offensive? Why wouldn't they draw a young Maradona instead of the currrent rotund version?

Because that's what he looks like. It's his fault he's a lardass.

[ElNono]

LOL!! That shirt Pablo is wearing is brutal! Does anyone know if Argentinians find that offensive? Why wouldn't they draw a young Maradona instead of the currrent rotund version?

love that shirt, gotta get me one of those

[ace3g]

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Three weeks from today: Thirty NBA teams will be able to say training camp is legit underway

[apalisoc_9]

Hopefully, they minimize Pre-season this year. That shit is just stupid.

three games max is all you need to try out new roles and run a try out of some sorts for camp signs.

[SPURt]

love that shirt, gotta get me one of those
+1, unfortunately this is the closest I could find:

http://www.redbubble.com/people/alexsantalo/works/2916201-de-maradona-a-messi?body_color=royal_blue&p=t-shirt&print_location=front&size=medium&style=mens&utm_source=google&utm_medium=google_products&utm_campaign=shopping&country_code=US&gclid=CKLgr4_x-s4CFYtZhgodK6YIWg

[look_at_g_shred]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/704288361737908226/dNnfOTNW_bigger.jpg Marc Stein Verified account ‏@ESPNSteinLine (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)

Three weeks from today: Thirty NBA teams will be able to say training camp is legit underway
Do Training Camp and Pre-Season coincide? 1 week seems really short for TC.

[SPURt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-zvVclTRdU

Found this randomly and a little late, but Stephen A is ranting over something Lebron said about Jordan. The part that is interesting starts at 11:20. He basically states if prime Jordan switched with Lebron James the Spurs would've lost in 2014 without a doubt. It's an interesting thought exercise but he greatly undermines just how outstanding that Spurs team was playing. I don't think there was much even Jordan could do to change the outcome.

I didn't think this deserved a thread but something interesting to think about during these slow slow days of the off season.

[gambit1990]

if we miss out on cp3 next summer i hope we can land shaun livingston.

[LakerHater]

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[TD 21]

if we miss out on cp3 next summer i hope we can land shaun livingston.

It's when for the former and why for the latter? He'd be a terrible fit.

Expect them to pursue Hill. Unfortunately, he's in a perfect situation and will probably stay put. Failing that, they'll probably turn to Teodosic.

[MaNu4Tres]

It's when for the former and why for the latter? He'd be a terrible fit.

Expect them to pursue Hill. Unfortunately, he's in a perfect situation and will probably stay put. Failing that, they'll probably turn to Teodosic.

This depends a lot on:

1. How much they like Murray.

2. How much Murray develops in the next 8 months.

3. Can they find a taker for Parker because Gasol will likely opt in.

[TD 21]

This depends a lot on:

1. How much they like Murray.

2. How much Murray develops in the next 8 months.

3. Can they find a taker for Parker because Gasol will likely opt in.

Somewhat, but it's more so about being in win now mode, how much they love Hill and him being an excellent fit.

[TheDoctor]

776182064215457792
WTF? Is this a bad joke??? Or he's just training his clapping moves?

[Maddog]

WTF? Is this a bad joke??? Or he's just training his clapping moves?

Probably true, but means nothing.

It's open practice and the Spurs have always been welcoming. I got the impression Jeff was well liked by most of the team.

[ElNono]

776182064215457792
jeebus

[gambit1990]

It's when for the former and why for the latter? He'd be a terrible fit.

Expect them to pursue Hill. Unfortunately, he's in a perfect situation and will probably stay put. Failing that, they'll probably turn to Teodosic.
why would livingston be a terrible fit? :lol he has a high bb iq, court vision, 6'7". would be especially good to have around considering manu won't be here after this season (imo).

spurs pursuing george hill wouldn't surprise me. i definitely would not want him starting though. not even crazy about him being back on the team tbh.

would easily take livingston over hill. it's not even something i'd blink twice about.

[gambit1990]

WTF? Is this a bad joke???
i'm hoping he doesn't know what he's talking about. but i guess i could imagine the spurs doing that.

[SPURt]

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[gambit1990]

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[SAGirl]

Ayers is probably there to complete the four scrimmage teams. I bet he's better than Ryan Richards too. :lol

[RD2191]

We rang with MVAyres TBH.

[SAGirl]

why would livingston be a terrible fit? :lol he has a high bb iq, court vision, 6'7". would be especially good to have around considering manu won't be here after this season (imo).

spurs pursuing george hill wouldn't surprise me. i definitely would not want him starting though. not even crazy about him being back on the team tbh.

would easily take livingston over hill. it's not even something i'd blink twice about.
I imagine he means that bc Livingston is not a 3 pt shooter and rather likes to create out of post ups. Heck as much as Pop likes the post up I bet he loves Livingston.

[jeebus]

jeebus (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=22786)
Pop lost his fuck toy in Boner; he needs a warm, semi tight hole to stick his cock in.

[ElNono]

Pop lost his fuck toy in Boner; he needs a warm, semi tight hole to stick his cock in.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/media/2.0/teamsites/spurs/imgs/131010_ayres_roster.jpg

[spurs10]

We rang with MVAyres TBH. Maybe he's worked on 'that catching the ball thing.'

[Chinook]

776182064215457792

Solid 20th camp guy. It wasn't going to be another prospect, as they already had five guys battling for the last spot and only four Toros spots to give to the losers. Provided he is signed (and that's not guaranteed), the rotation would look like this:

Parker, Mills, Laprovitolla, Arcidiacono
Green, Ginobili, Murray, Forbes
Leonard, Anderson, Simmons, Garino
Aldridge, Lee, Bertans, LJC
Gasol, Dedmon, Ayres, Richards

With the guys in italics being my guess for the cuts and the bolded players going to Austin. Obvious thing is that the Spurs would be projecting Anderson as a wing for camp, though with the cuts, he'd very much be in the running for combo-forward for the regular season. Still, if Pop is planning on Lee being in the regular rotation, having a camp roster that enforces Kyle being a three is a good thing.

It's also very possible that Ayres is just one of the vets the Spurs bring in to compete for that last spot. Could see a couple of other scrap-heap bigs vying to be this year's Rasual Butler.

[Ron Swanson]

Pop lost his fuck toy in Boner; he needs a warm, semi tight hole to stick his cock in.

Sources say Ayres has dyed his hair red and is working on his 3 pt shot.

[Kawhitstorm]

Solid 20th camp guy. It wasn't going to be another prospect, as they already had five guys battling for the last spot and only four Toros spots to give to the losers. Provided he is signed (and that's not guaranteed), the rotation would look like this:

Parker, Mills, Laprovitolla, Arcidiacono
Green, Ginobili, Murray, Forbes
Leonard, Anderson, Simmons, Garino
Aldridge, Lee, Bertans, LJC
Gasol, Dedmon, Ayres, Richards

With the guys in italics being my guess for the cuts and the bolded players going to Austin. Obvious thing is that the Spurs would be projecting Anderson as a wing for camp, though with the cuts, he'd very much be in the running for combo-forward for the regular season. Still, if Pop is planning on Lee being in the regular rotation, having a camp roster that enforces Kyle being a three is a good thing.

It's also very possible that Ayres is just one of the vets the Spurs bring in to compete for that last spot. Could see a couple of other scrap-heap bigs vying to be this year's Rasual Butler.

The only competition is really b/w the Laprovitolla & Forbes since Porker/Manu are AARP status & Murray is 19. Ayres is redundant w/ LJC & Lee/Dedmon are going to be eating up all the backup 4/5 positions. Seems like Garino is out of luck w/ Simmons/Bertans playing on guaranteed contracts.

[playbonner15]

Hope Matty shows up in camp tbh :lol

[TheDoctor]

What'up bitches?!?

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[tonight...you]

What'up bitches?!?

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Ah! You dirty fucker! I just woke up!

[Chinook]

The only competition is really b/w the Laprovitolla & Forbes since Porker/Manu are AARP status & Murray is 19. Ayres is redundant w/ LJC & Lee/Dedmon are going to be eating up all the backup 4/5 positions. Seems like Garino is out of luck w/ Simmons/Bertans playing on guaranteed contracts.

I think it's between Laprovitolla and Arcidiacono if the Spurs are going PG. Forbes I think has a (much) better chance at sticking than Arcidiacono, but Ryan is a better all-around player and could probably help more if he had to come in and run the offense. His intangibles are off the chart, as we saw in the SL. And he himself is a very good spot-up shooter, so it's not like he couldn't do anything as a spot-up player.

[eDizzle20]

Should be an interesting preseason. So many new faces and only 1 open spot. I personally believe it will be Arcidiacono or Forbes that makes it. I'm probably most excited to see Richards though.

[cutewizard]

:bobo

[sasaint]

Unless Simmons shows some improvement in judgment - especially on defense - I could see the Spurs moving on from him and keeping 2 of the camp signees - especially if Garino's defensive prowess translates to the NBA.

[TheDoctor]

#Hero

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/1e/af/77/1eaf77b773377e6a90cd2f39046b3a2d.jpg

[mo7888]

Unless Simmons shows some improvement in judgment - especially on defense - I could see the Spurs moving on from him and keeping 2 of the camp signees - especially if Garino's defensive prowess translates to the NBA.

I think that is a real possibility too.

[LakerHater]

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[Kawhitstorm]

I think it's between Laprovitolla and Arcidiacono if the Spurs are going PG. Forbes I think has a (much) better chance at sticking than Arcidiacono, but Ryan is a better all-around player and could probably help more if he had to come in and run the offense. His intangibles are off the chart, as we saw in the SL. And he himself is a very good spot-up shooter, so it's not like he couldn't do anything as a spot-up player.

Forbes is basically a full-formed player that just needs to be consistent to stick in the league as an undersized backup 2-guard ala Neal. Best case scenario is that he plays in Austin for a year then replaces Patty next season.

As far as point guards, I wouldn't be surprised if PATFO sign a washed-up vet like Kirk Hinrich mid-season especially if there is an injury. Either Archi/Lapro are probably going to be placeholders ala Ray McCallum.

[Solid D]

776879047200477184

RC doin' work. I had read Brian Pauga, the GM of the Austin Spurs had left for Minnesota, so maybe Sund is going to help there as an Asst. GM and pro scout...but Sund was Golden State's Mgr. of Scouting. Interesting.

Phil Cullen sounds like an up and coming talent with a variety of b-ball operations skills. Repole an I.T. development and statistical analyst, and Fields a scout, I suppose, to help George Felton with college player personnel prospects.

[BillMc]

Solid 20th camp guy. It wasn't going to be another prospect, as they already had five guys battling for the last spot and only four Toros spots to give to the losers. Provided he is signed (and that's not guaranteed), the rotation would look like this:

Parker, Mills, Laprovitolla, Arcidiacono
Green, Ginobili, Murray, Forbes
Leonard, Anderson, Simmons, Garino
Aldridge, Lee, Bertans, LJC
Gasol, Dedmon, Ayres, Richards

With the guys in italics being my guess for the cuts and the bolded players going to Austin. Obvious thing is that the Spurs would be projecting Anderson as a wing for camp, though with the cuts, he'd very much be in the running for combo-forward for the regular season. Still, if Pop is planning on Lee being in the regular rotation, having a camp roster that enforces Kyle being a three is a good thing.

It's also very possible that Ayres is just one of the vets the Spurs bring in to compete for that last spot. Could see a couple of other scrap-heap bigs vying to be this year's Rasual Butler.

So you see Murray spending most his time with the team rather than in Austin?

[BillMc]

We rang with MVAyres TBH.

Truth.

[SAGirl]

So you see Murray spending most his time with the team rather than in Austin?

Don't know with him. Two things that make him an ideal candidate for the dleague are that he has a lot to learn and needs the ball to learn these things. Just won't get enough of playing time and the ball to himself as rookie with this team.

His athleticism impresses but he won't help win games if he doesn't learn fundamentals, how to play defense, how to play the Spurs way, on top of improving his shooting, shot selection and efficiency. Of course, we don't know how quickly he's picking things up. I am just going by what we saw two months ago. He's probably getting better with each drill and practice. We shall see.

[LakerHater]

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[cutewizard]

:claw

[gambit1990]

Guaranteed Salary



LaMarcus Aldridge (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aldrila01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$20,575,005 [Contract has 15% Trade Kicker]
Kawhi Leonard (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$17,638,063 [Contract has 15% Trade Kicker]
Pau Gasol (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gasolpa01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$15,500,000
Tony Parker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$14,445,313
Manu Ginobili (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/ginobma01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$14,000,000
Danny Green (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$10,000,000
Patty Mills (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millspa02.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$3,578,948
Dewayne Dedmon (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dedmode01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$2,898,000
Tim Duncan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$1,881,250 [Waived via stretch provision]
David Lee (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leeda02.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$1,551,659 [Contract has 15% Trade Kicker]
Kyle Anderson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anderky01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$1,192,080
Livio Jean-Charles (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jeancli01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$1,188,840
Dejounte Murray (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/murrade01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$1,180,080
Jonathon Simmons (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/simmojo02.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$874,636
Davis Bertans (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bertada01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$543,471
Bryn Forbes (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/forbebr01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$125,000
Patricio Garino (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/garinpa01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$100,000
Ryan Arcidiacono (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/arcidry01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$75,000

Total Guaranteed Salary= $107,347,345

Non-Guaranteed Salary



Ryan Arcidiacono (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/arcidry01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$468,471 [Salary fully guaranteed on 1/10/17]
Patricio Garino (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/garinpa01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$443,471 [Salary fully guaranteed on 1/10/17]
Bryn Forbes (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/forbebr01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$418,471 [Salary fully guaranteed on 1/10/17]


Total Non-Guaranteed Salary= $1,330,413

[ceperez]

Guaranteed Salary



LaMarcus Aldridge (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aldrila01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$20,575,005 [Contract has 15% Trade Kicker]
Kawhi Leonard (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$17,638,063 [Contract has 15% Trade Kicker]
Pau Gasol (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gasolpa01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$15,500,000
Tony Parker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$14,445,313
Manu Ginobili (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/ginobma01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$14,000,000
Danny Green (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$10,000,000
Patty Mills (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millspa02.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$3,578,948
Dewayne Dedmon (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dedmode01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$2,898,000
Tim Duncan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$1,881,250 [Waived via stretch provision]
David Lee (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leeda02.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$1,551,659 [Contract has 15% Trade Kicker]
Kyle Anderson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anderky01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$1,192,080
Livio Jean-Charles (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jeancli01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$1,188,840
Dejounte Murray (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/murrade01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$1,180,080
Jonathon Simmons (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/simmojo02.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$874,636
Davis Bertans (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bertada01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$543,471
Bryn Forbes (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/forbebr01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$125,000
Patricio Garino (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/garinpa01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$100,000
Ryan Arcidiacono (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/arcidry01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$75,000

Total Guaranteed Salary= $107,347,345

Non-Guaranteed Salary



Ryan Arcidiacono (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/arcidry01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$468,471 [Salary fully guaranteed on 1/10/17]
Patricio Garino (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/garinpa01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$443,471 [Salary fully guaranteed on 1/10/17]
Bryn Forbes (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/forbebr01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$418,471 [Salary fully guaranteed on 1/10/17]


Total Non-Guaranteed Salary= $1,330,413

What happened to that other Argentinian guy the Spurs signed?

[spurs10]

What happened to that other Argentinian guy the Spurs signed? Garino..he's there on a non-guaranteed salary. That Tim Duncan fellow probably won't be there.

[sasaint]

Garino..he's there on a non-guaranteed salary. That Tim Duncan fellow probably won't be there.

Not Garino but Laprovittola. You actually have Garino listed twice.

[gambit1990]

i wanna see parker try guarding murray in practice. and vice versa.

[GSH]

Guaranteed Salary



LaMarcus Aldridge (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aldrila01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$20,575,005 [Contract has 15% Trade Kicker]
Kawhi Leonard (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$17,638,063 [Contract has 15% Trade Kicker]
Pau Gasol (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gasolpa01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$15,500,000
Tony Parker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$14,445,313
Manu Ginobili (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/ginobma01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$14,000,000
Danny Green (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$10,000,000
Patty Mills (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millspa02.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$3,578,948
Dewayne Dedmon (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dedmode01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$2,898,000
Tim Duncan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$1,881,250 [Waived via stretch provision]
David Lee (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leeda02.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$1,551,659 [Contract has 15% Trade Kicker]
Kyle Anderson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anderky01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$1,192,080
Livio Jean-Charles (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jeancli01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$1,188,840
Dejounte Murray (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/murrade01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$1,180,080
Jonathon Simmons (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/simmojo02.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$874,636
Davis Bertans (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bertada01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$543,471
Bryn Forbes (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/forbebr01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$125,000
Patricio Garino (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/garinpa01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$100,000
Ryan Arcidiacono (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/arcidry01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$75,000

Total Guaranteed Salary= $107,347,345

Non-Guaranteed Salary



Ryan Arcidiacono (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/arcidry01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$468,471 [Salary fully guaranteed on 1/10/17]
Patricio Garino (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/garinpa01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$443,471 [Salary fully guaranteed on 1/10/17]
Bryn Forbes (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/forbebr01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) —$418,471 [Salary fully guaranteed on 1/10/17]


Total Non-Guaranteed Salary= $1,330,413


I was just about to post about the salaries. At this point, the Spurs have the 5th highest guaranteed salary total in the league. (Behind Blazers, Cavs, Pistons, and Clippers.) But of the $107M or so they have guaranteed, $34M of it is tied up in three players - Tim, Tony, and Manu. The cap took a HUGE increase this year, and payrolls are much higher across the league. And the Spurs have one-third of theirs taken up by three guys with a combined age of 113.

I know, I know. They have been great for the Spurs, and brought Championships. The team owed Tim and Manu, and Tony is still a very capable PG. But that doesn't change the fact that this year's team is paying out one-third of their payroll to three guys who averaged 24 minutes per game last season, and 27 minutes per game the season before. (And if you only look at Tony and Manu - they averaged 24 minutes per game last season, and 26 the season before, in 69 and 65 games respectively.)

I love those three guys, and I'm proud of the Big 3 that dominated the league for so long. And it's admirable that the organization takes care of players. But there's a cost. If the Spurs make it out of the second round this year, it would be a minor miracle. A third of their payroll to pay for two old players who will likely average about 24-25 minutes per game for 70 games. That's tough to overcome.

[dabom]

I was just about to post about the salaries. At this point, the Spurs have the 5th highest guaranteed salary total in the league. (Behind Blazers, Cavs, Pistons, and Clippers.) But of the $107M or so they have guaranteed, $34M of it is tied up in three players - Tim, Tony, and Manu. The cap took a HUGE increase this year, and payrolls are much higher across the league. And the Spurs have one-third of theirs taken up by three guys with a combined age of 113.

I know, I know. They have been great for the Spurs, and brought Championships. The team owed Tim and Manu, and Tony is still a very capable PG. But that doesn't change the fact that this year's team is paying out one-third of their payroll to three guys who averaged 24 minutes per game last season, and 27 minutes per game the season before. (And if you only look at Tony and Manu - they averaged 24 minutes per game last season, and 26 the season before, in 69 and 65 games respectively.)

I love those three guys, and I'm proud of the Big 3 that dominated the league for so long. And it's admirable that the organization takes care of players. But there's a cost. If the Spurs make it out of the second round this year, it would be a minor miracle. A third of their payroll to pay for two old players who will likely average about 24-25 minutes per game for 70 games. That's tough to overcome.

But Manu;s contract doesn't really affect anything. Porkers contract though. :lmao

[BillMc]

Garino..he's there on a non-guaranteed salary. That Tim Duncan fellow probably won't be there.


Not Garino but Laprovittola. You actually have Garino listed twice.

So which one is guaranteed Garino or Laprovittola? Cheers for the clarification. And thanks to gambit1990 for posting the numbers.

[YGWHI]

I was just about to post about the salaries. At this point, the Spurs have the 5th highest guaranteed salary total in the league. (Behind Blazers, Cavs, Pistons, and Clippers.) But of the $107M or so they have guaranteed, $34M of it is tied up in three players - Tim, Tony, and Manu. The cap took a HUGE increase this year, and payrolls are much higher across the league. And the Spurs have one-third of theirs taken up by three guys with a combined age of 113.

I know, I know. They have been great for the Spurs, and brought Championships. The team owed Tim and Manu, and Tony is still a very capable PG. But that doesn't change the fact that this year's team is paying out one-third of their payroll to three guys who averaged 24 minutes per game last season, and 27 minutes per game the season before. (And if you only look at Tony and Manu - they averaged 24 minutes per game last season, and 26 the season before, in 69 and 65 games respectively.)

I love those three guys, and I'm proud of the Big 3 that dominated the league for so long. And it's admirable that the organization takes care of players. But there's a cost. If the Spurs make it out of the second round this year, it would be a minor miracle. A third of their payroll to pay for two old players who will likely average about 24-25 minutes per game for 70 games. That's tough to overcome.

Couldn't agree more.

Loyalty has his costs. And it's not only in salaries, Pop's decisions on the court about our old players costed a lot, too.

Playing Manu on Westbrook for serveral minutes instead of Green, insisting on running Parker's P&Rs in crucial minutes of the games, giving these old guys extended roles in the playoffs... Roles they earned 10 years ago but they can't have/play anymore.

This new season, the Spurs pay $14M for a 40 years old guard and the same money for an ineffective point guard -in comparison to his rivals in the West-...

I LOVE Manu and Parker but Spurs' loyalty has become a liabity, and isn't worth the cost.

[sasaint]

Couldn't agree more.

Loyalty has his costs. And it's not only in salaries, Pop's decisions on the court about our old players costed a lot, too.

Playing Manu on Westbrook for serveral minutes instead of Green, insisting on running Parker's P&Rs in crucial minutes of the games, giving these old guys extended roles in the playoffs... Roles they earned 10 years ago but they can't have/play anymore.

This new season, the Spurs pay $14M for a 40 years old guard and the same money for an ineffective point guard -in comparison to his rivals in the West-...

I LOVE Manu and Parker but Spurs' loyalty has become a liabity, and isn't worth the cost.

The value of loyalty is in what it shows the next generation: basically, Kawhi, at this point. That's just my opinion.

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[YGWHI]

But Manu;s contract doesn't really affect anything. Porkers contract though. :lmao

Doesn't matter if Manu's contract has an impact on team's cap space or not. It's the fact of still relying on 40 years old players/giving them contracts "because loyalty", instead of getting younger, faster, more athletic with proven NBA guys -not a bunch of rookies like this summer-.

The Spurs' backcourt in playoffs will be composed by a point guard who would excel as a PG backup coming off the bench but he will start "because loyalty=he-will-retire-as-Spur/his-contract-doesn't-allow-to-sign-an-elite-PG". And a 40 years old SG who can't stay in front of faster/elite guards anymore but he will play 20 minutes against them " 'cause loyalty=etc/etc..."

It doesn't seem a winning formula.

[YGWHI]

The value of loyalty is in what it shows the next generation: basically, Kawhi, at this point. That's just my opinion.

Well, the question it's about living for the present or building for the future.

In my opinion, it would be nice not to waste the best years of Kawhi/LMA combo for Spurs' loyalty to old players...

[sasaint]

Well, the question it's about living for the present or building for the future.

In my opinion, it would be nice not to waste the best years of Kawhi/LMA combo for Spurs' loyalty to old players...

I agree with you entirely. Perhaps I should have said,"the ONLY potential value of loyalty..."

[Chinook]

Those salaries aren't a big deal. Manu comes off the books next season with Tony the season afterwards. That combined with the next cap increase puts the Spurs in very workable financial position. The much bigger issue is that they are using roster spots on old or incomplete players. Even at the min, having guys who can't carry the load anymore and others who can't function without those guys carrying the load is just a lot less stable. That you can't rely on Manu playing a lot of minutes is a big deal, because the Spurs NEED someone who can do that to be their sixth man. That Mills needs a guy like Manu next to him just compounds this issue. These two things screw up the bench-guard rotation. A similar thing is true for Parker and Green, but Danny should be able to transition to other forms of offense.

The projected bench of Mills, Manu, Anderson, Lee and Dedmon is just awkward unless David becomes a three-point shooter overnight. You have two roll-men who won't pull the defense away from the basket if they aren't the ones setting the screen, a guy who's best in a triple-threat, high-post position, a player who has to dominate the ball on nearly every possession whether due to his own nature of the coach's expectation, but who can't actually do that anymore, and a guy who mostly relies on getting open threes with will be at a premium due to the rest of the unit.

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[bklynspursfan]

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[Chinook]

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Ew.

Well, sucks for Ayres that he couldn't even by the 20th guy. Anyway, just take my post about the rotation but swap out Ayres for Anthony. I don't expect it to change the result at all.

[bklynspursfan]

Ew.

Well, sucks for Ayres that he couldn't even by the 20th guy. Anyway, just take my post about the rotation but swap out Ayres for Anthony. I don't expect it to change the result at all.

Yea really... No real difference at this point with this spot

[apalisoc_9]

Joel Anthony :lol

How sad..

Seriously, how good is lebron? These players seem to play at high level with lebron and turn into complete bums after..

Where is tony Parkers rival my boobie Gibson

[Solid D]

Anthony isn't that much of a surprise. Seasoned vet shot blocker who probably won't stick with the Spurs past camp but can school-up Jean-Charles.

[ismael-robert]

As much as everybody wanted matt to go bringing him as 20th guy with all his system knowledge would have been useful unless it hurt him get a new contract

[cutewizard]

:bobo

[lefty20]

2 weeks away from the first preseason game :flag:

[apalisoc_9]

2 weeks away from the first preseason game :flag:

:cry

I jist want to see kawhi touch the ball already :lmao

also see which scrub will make the 15 spot :lol

[Hoops Czar]

I just want to see kawhi touch my balls already :lmao


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[Chinook]

Loser playing signing with loser franchise. Shoe fits.

[Kawhitstorm]

Loser playing signing with loser franchise. Shoe fits.

Ed Davis got paid going the T-Rob route so I can't really blame him if all he wants is money.

[SAGirl]

Ed Davis got paid going the T-Rob route so I can't really blame him if all he wants is money.

I'ts a training camp deal. He's competing with ji yianlan for the 15th spot in the team. I don't know if that was Davis' situation. I think he really turned off teams with his massive ego expecting 20 minutes per game over the summer. This is what he was humbled into.

[ceperez]

Looking forward to seeing our new scrubs either mess up big time or exceed expectations!

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Looking forward to seeing our new scrubs either mess up big time or exceed expectations!
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