Official 2016 Spurs Offseason Thread

[Chinook]

Actually a great landing spot for him if he doesn't back out like last year. He can be with De Colo, so there's so familiarity, and it's a great platform to still stay relevant in the minds of NBA FO people. Only downside is that they might be a little too good of a team for him to play a lot. Hopefully for his sake he still has some development left.

[jyra]

He is probably going to be their 3rd center. I would be surprised if he managed to stay on the roster for the whole season. It only took one month for his Chinese league team to replace him last season. I wonder if Messina used some of his connections to help Ayres land this contract.

[bklynspursfan]

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[Chinook]

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Sucks for him. Dude was the top PF in the league before this happened to him.

[bklynspursfan]

Sucks for him. Dude was the top PF in the league before this happened to him.

Yea.. Scary stuff

[Solid D]

Blood clots are scary but I wonder if this is a true failure of the physical or contract induced?

[SAGirl]

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[Robz4000]

God damn, Duncan better unretire ASAP.

[Kawhitstorm]

Sucks for him. Dude was the top PF in the league before this happened to him.

Not saying much when Softridge was his competition.:lol

[TD 21]

Not saying much when Softridge was his competition.:lol

You're both wrong.

Davis and Griffin were and are the best power forwards in the league. If you consider Towns as one (he's a true hybrid, though given their pursuit of Noah and Gasol and their other bigs, he's slated to play more power forward), he's poised to join them, with Aldridge, Green, Millsap, Horford and Love, in the next tier. Bosh slotted in after Aldridge.

[Kawhitstorm]

Davis and Griffin were and are the best power forwards in the league.

Blake played 35 games & Davis was putting empty numbers like Pau while getting raw dogged by Softridge when they went up head-to-head.

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[TD 21]

Blake played 35 games & Davis was putting empty numbers like Pau while getting raw dogged by Softridge when they went up head-to-head.

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So missing games makes Griffin a worse player? You like hyping up Gasol's empty numbers, but Davis' superior ones don't count? He regressed from the previous season and between that and the (rightful) Towns hype, he's now become underrated.

Of course Aldridge bullied Davis. Despite a roughly 12 pound difference, Davis lacks base strength and Aldridge is one of the strongest players in the league.

[SAGirl]

I don't want to make a thread for Garnett so will just drop this here. Spurs paying a bit of homage to him with a flashback photo in their tweet account.

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[Chinook]

Blake played 35 games & Davis was putting empty numbers like Pau while getting raw dogged by Softridge when they went up head-to-head.

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Davis has a long way to go before he's Bosh. Needs to at least have a healthy season first. Love Blake, but his intangibles are lacking.

[Kawhitstorm]

So missing games makes Griffin a worse player?

In the context of LAST season, Blake doesn't qualify since he didn't even play 50% of the season.


You like hyping up Gasol's empty numbers, but Davis' superior ones don't count? He regressed from the previous season and between that and the (rightful) Towns hype, he's now become underrated.

Davis was WORSE than Pau on defense last season & the Pelicans were BETTER with him OFF the court....just let that sink in.


Of course Aldridge bullied Davis. Despite a roughly 12 pound difference, Davis lacks base strength and Aldridge is one of the strongest players in the league.

Meanwhile Gaymond is 7ft/275lbs.:lol

[ace3g]

I want that shirt Manu is wearing






https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/919752875/3281_85574346933_71769686933_2527120_1371640_n_big ger.jpg Manu Ginobili Verified account ‏@manuginobili (https://twitter.com/manuginobili)

Great to see my guys @Patty_Mills (https://twitter.com/Patty_Mills), @theborisdiaw (https://twitter.com/theborisdiaw) and #Harvey (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Harvey?src=hash)https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f436.png for coffee yesterday! We'll miss you https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/26a1.pngBobo!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtIvTuLUsAARSPR.jpg

[objective]

Boris looking thin ...

[TD 21]

In the context of LAST season, Blake doesn't qualify since he didn't even play 50% of the season.



Davis was WORSE than Pau on defense last season & the Pelicans were BETTER with him OFF the court....just let that sink in.



Meanwhile Gaymond is 7ft/275lbs.:lol

I didn't interpret it that way. You'll have to ask him what he meant since he's too scared to talk to me because we might disagree.

I know, but he's still better than Aldridge and unlike a lot of you, I'm not an Aldridge hater.

Green has a strong base; Davis is top heavy. Generally speaking, the stronger the base, the better the post player, on offense and defense.

A perfect example of this was the '13 Finals. In the latter half of the series, Duncan abused Bosh, even though they're about the same height and were about the same weight at the time, too.

[RD2191]

Patty looks jacked.

[SAGirl]

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[TimDunkem]

Well, it was obvious he was going to be garbage anyway.

[Chinook]

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Lol couldn't even force his way into camp.

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/757824461856923649/jDPJUiSq_bigger.jpg David Pick ‏@IAmDPick (https://twitter.com/IAmDPick)

Bulls sign Jason Thompson to deal in $1.5 million range, via source. Not Chicago Bulls - China's Shandong Bulls.

[dabom]

Patty looks jacked.

Dudes ready to start.

[Solid D]

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He never even came close to grabbing the brass ring.

[SAGirl]

Bad season for Denmon to be pressuring the Spurs. They had committed strong partial guarantees to Arci, Forbes and Garino and probably like each of them better for different reasons.

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/772861425165279232/ur4ItYB4_bigger.jpg Ray McCallum Verified account ‏@RayMac3 (https://twitter.com/RayMac3)

Would I have a chance if he slapped me? https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f914.png

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[Ice009]

I want that shirt Manu is wearing






https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/919752875/3281_85574346933_71769686933_2527120_1371640_n_big ger.jpg Manu Ginobili Verified account ‏@manuginobili (https://twitter.com/manuginobili)

Great to see my guys @Patty_Mills (https://twitter.com/Patty_Mills), @theborisdiaw (https://twitter.com/theborisdiaw) and #Harvey (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Harvey?src=hash)https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f436.png for coffee yesterday! We'll miss you https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/26a1.pngBobo!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtIvTuLUsAARSPR.jpg

Patty's bicep looks quite big. Looks ripped in that picture.

Boris, well, as much as I liked him as a person, looks big (not in a good way).

[gambit1990]

used to think belichick and popovich were on the same level.

[Ice009]

used to think belichick and popovich were on the same level.

What do you think now? Who's a level below and why?

If Patty's been working out like a madman, looks like Boris being gone is a good thing as there's no chance of him being a bad influence (in regards to working out and staying in shape) anymore.

[gambit1990]

What do you think now? Who's a level below and why?
belichick is much more prepared and willing to make adjustments.

pop is better at adjusting when it's too late.

[gambit1990]

you know who played in the second half of game 6 against okc?

parker started the second half, was subbed after a few minutes.

timmy, manu, kawhi were playing while tp was on the bench. and that's when we were the most competitive in that game.

[BillMc]

This dude (ST poster? :lol) thinks Kawhi has the best chance to win MVP this year. :king


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8jevbzRJWk

[Chinook]

Personally don't think he'll get the minutes/touches. If he didn't put up the numbers last season, he may not be in a better position this season with LMA being more comfortable and Gasol needing the ball. Only way he's the front-runner is if the Spurs get the one-seed.

[YGWHI]

This dude (ST poster? :lol) thinks Kawhi has the best chance to win MVP this year. :king


He doesn't.

But I like enthusiastic and optimistic people, those guys who think the best possible thing will happen, and hopes for it even if it's not likely...Thanks for the video.

[BillMc]

Personally don't think he'll get the minutes/touches. If he didn't put up the numbers last season, he may not be in a better position this season with LMA being more comfortable and Gasol needing the ball. Only way he's the front-runner is if the Spurs get the one-seed.

All good points. On the PRO side of the ledger, I could see the media hooking onto a Duncan retired but Kawhi still lead them to 60 wins and/or #1 seed narrative. The press loves a story... On the NEG, I wonder if Kawhi can shoot 44% from 3 again this year. A return to the mean plus Pau and LMA shot attempts could mean a drop in points.


He doesn't.

But I like enthusiastic and optimistic people, those guys who think the best possible thing will happen, and hopes for it even if it's not likely...Thanks for the video.

I definitely hope he will and will be surprised if Kawhi doesn't get at least 1 in the next 5 years or so. :claw

[Dex]

Less than a week for preseason games! Thank you baby Jesus we are almost there!

[SAGirl]

WAs anyone interested in Norris Cole?
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[szkorhetz]

Seeing how well Dwight fits with the Hawks, I wonder whether we tried ti get him or not. Do we have any rumors about it? Seems like a better fit than Gasol next to LMA.

[sasaint]

Seeing how well Dwight fits with the Hawks, I wonder whether we tried ti get him or not. Do we have any rumors about it? Seems like a better fit than Gasol next to LMA.

No authentic rumors, but we roasted him here on ST. The guy has always been a head case, and his intangibles are off the charts (that is, beneath). Just wait until after the All-Star break and see if Dwight doesn't go Dwert.

[Chinook]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/243593/NBA-Could-Begin-Expansion-Talks-After-Signing-New-CBA

Team can protect eight. Who would you protect if the draft were happening this season as opposed to possibly in five years? Would you expose Parker to get out of that contract?

[SAGirl]

mmm who I would protect?
Bc if it is who Pop would protect, he will protect both Tony and Manu if that was this season and I might not protect either.

For me:
Pau, LMA, Kawhi, Danny, only one of Tony or Mills, then Dijon, Kyle, Bertans. The latter 3 are the Spurs best prospects for young players, and under potential team control on cheap contracts for 2-4 years at least and able to be resigned if they develop. Since the team doesn't have much of a bench, I would keep them. One cannot keep a team moving forward that doesn't have some young talent somewhere under cheap team control.

The decision between Mills and Tony is the tougher one. I think Tony can mentor Dijon and thus I'd like to keep him, they could also exchange spots if Dijon grows as a player and can start, allowing Tony to be the bench scorer. I think that is a very workable 8 group. Playing Tony and Mills together is not workable for me, thus why for me it's one or the other. Mills could work out well too, in my scenario, but it requires that Dijon be pushed to the front lines sooner with no mentor.

[cd98]

Hope league doesn't expand. It would really water down teams. Though I guess there are a bunch of players that wish it would expand so they could make it in the league.

[rastaspur]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/243593/NBA-Could-Begin-Expansion-Talks-After-Signing-New-CBA

Team can protect eight. Who would you protect if the draft were happening this season as opposed to possibly in five years? Would you expose Parker to get out of that contract?

I would expose him for sure.

[BillMc]

Not worth its own thread and may have been posted elsewhere but it's interesting to hear that Pop told Boban to leave. Apparently, Boban might have stayed but Pop told him it would be better for him to make serious money. (And as a first major contract, it was the correct call, much as I hated to lose Boban). Just an example of Pop being a good human being, tbh.:toast


"He's such a good kid, at some point I had to work to get him to understand that $21 million was different than $3 million," Popovich said. "I said, 'Get your ass out of here. Go. You've got to do it.' But he felt bad."
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http://www.poundingtherock.com/2016/10/11/13252240/popovich-boban-detroit-spurs

[SAGirl]

Not worth its own thread and may have been posted elsewhere but it's interesting to hear that Pop told Boban to leave. Appartently, Boban might have stayed but Pop told him it would be better for him to make serious money. (And as a first major contract, it was the correct call, much as I hated to lose Boban). Just an example of Pop being a good human being, tbh.:toast



http://www.poundingtherock.com/2016/10/11/13252240/popovich-boban-detroit-spurs

Yup was posted elsewhere, but here is as good as any spot to dump the link about it for reference.

[tonight...you]

Not worth its own thread and may have been posted elsewhere but it's interesting to hear that Pop told Boban to leave. Apparently, Boban might have stayed but Pop told him it would be better for him to make serious money. (And as a first major contract, it was the correct call, much as I hated to lose Boban). Just an example of Pop being a good human being, tbh.:toast



http://www.poundingtherock.com/2016/10/11/13252240/popovich-boban-detroit-spurs
That dude... like a man-child. Like Lennie... Probably going to Frankenstein some poor kid by a lake before it's all over, tbh.

[spurs10]

Not worth its own thread and may have been posted elsewhere but it's interesting to hear that Pop told Boban to leave. Apparently, Boban might have stayed but Pop told him it would be better for him to make serious money. (And as a first major contract, it was the correct call, much as I hated to lose Boban). Just an example of Pop being a good human being, tbh.:toast



http://www.poundingtherock.com/2016/10/11/13252240/popovich-boban-detroit-spurs Yeah when I read that it made total sense. Boban is a great guy and probably felt a sense of loyalty to Pop and the Spurs. Good on Pop for encouraging him to move on and take the once in a lifetime shot at making that kind of money.

[mo7888]

mmm who I would protect?
Bc if it is who Pop would protect, he will protect both Tony and Manu if that was this season and I might not protect either.

For me:
Pau, LMA, Kawhi, Danny, only one of Tony or Mills, then Dijon, Kyle, Bertans. The latter 3 are the Spurs best prospects for young players, and under potential team control on cheap contracts for 2-4 years at least and able to be resigned if they develop. Since the team doesn't have much of a bench, I would keep them. One cannot keep a team moving forward that doesn't have some young talent somewhere under cheap team control.

The decision between Mills and Tony is the tougher one. I think Tony can mentor Dijon and thus I'd like to keep him, they could also exchange spots if Dijon grows as a player and can start, allowing Tony to be the bench scorer. I think that is a very workable 8 group. Playing Tony and Mills together is not workable for me, thus why for me it's one or the other. Mills could work out well too, in my scenario, but it requires that Dijon be pushed to the front lines sooner with no mentor.

I don't think it wold be good strategy to try and protect players with expiring or opt outs on their contracts such as Mills or Pau. They ultimately control their own destiny anyway. Protect your main guys under longer contracts and young players. The goal for us is status quo while other teams hopefully get downgraded by this process.

[Chinook]

I don't think it wold be good strategy to try and protect players with expiring or opt outs on their contracts such as Mills or Pau. They ultimately control their own destiny anyway. Protect your main guys under longer contracts and young players. The goal for us is status quo while other teams hopefully get downgraded by this process.

Eh, the Spurs would only lose one player in an expansion draft. You don't want anyone in your main rotation taken, even if they're expiring. The team can find another Bertans or Murray by the team they'd need those guys. Replacing Pau or Mills so close to the season would be horrible.

[mo7888]

Eh, the Spurs would only lose one player in an expansion draft. You don't want anyone in your main rotation taken, even if they're expiring. The team can find another Bertans or Murray by the team they'd need those guys. Replacing Pau or Mills so close to the season would be horrible.

If Mills is a FA, how do you protect him? The Expansion draft wouldn't be until after this season and Mills is a FA at that point. There's nothing to protect there. If Pau opts out then there is nothing to protect there either. If he opts in then you have a point.

[Chinook]

If Mills is a FA, how do you protect him? The Expansion draft wouldn't be until after this season and Mills is a FA at that point. There's nothing to protect there. If Pau opts out then there is nothing to protect there either. If he opts in then you have a point.

The hypothetical is for it to be RIGHT NOW, not next season. If a real one happens, it won't be for years. We're talking 2020 at the absolutely earliest.

[mo7888]

The hypothetical is for it to be RIGHT NOW, not next season. If a real one happens, it won't be for years. We're talking 2020 at the absolutely earliest.

Then yes I agree...if they did it today you'd be correct.

[cjw]

The hypothetical is for it to be RIGHT NOW, not next season. If a real one happens, it won't be for years. We're talking 2020 at the absolutely earliest.

If we're talking this season, expansion drafts take place before the draft and free agency. So Gasol is still a FA under this scenario and Manu was to become a free agent. Dedmon and Lee were not on the squad yet either.

Assuming you would have to protect foreign assets that are not yet under contract, I'd then go Kawhi, LMA, Parker, Green, Anderson, Mills and two of LJC, Bertans, Milutinov assuming you had to protect them.

Diaw would not have been protected (if trying to clear cap space) and nor would Duncan if known he was retiring. Though could have protected Diaw not knowing Gasol was signing. Simmons goes unprotected unless you don't need to protect the Euros.


Next offseason isn't very difficult either. It's Kawhi, LMA, Green, Anderson, Murray, LJC, Bertans = 7. Parker gets you to 8 unless you're trying to unload the last year of his deal.

Gasol, Lee and Dedmon are player options so no need to protect them. Manu and Mills are UFAs and Simmons is a RFA.

[BillMc]

Kawhi converting Pistons fans to his krew. :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdZEedyEVE4

[GSH]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/243593/NBA-Could-Begin-Expansion-Talks-After-Signing-New-CBA

Team can protect eight. Who would you protect if the draft were happening this season as opposed to possibly in five years? Would you expose Parker to get out of that contract?


It's kind of a rhetorical question, since it won't happen this year or the next, and Parker's contract will be over anyway. But if it happened right now? What would the Spurs do... move Patty to starting PG, and go looking for a replacement backup? (We're already struggling to figure out a third string point.) Because there aren't a lot of teams out there looking to let go of starter-caliber PG's. And the Spurs would likely have to give up another piece or pick to make a deal like that happen.

If you expose Parker, he would quite possibly be the best PG available, and at a price that isn't out of line with this year's salary increases. Losing him outright would be the equivalent of tanking this season. The Spurs didn't think that was a good idea, or they would have done it during the offseason. For the Spurs to have even a remote chance of winning it all this season, they have to have the 5 obvious starters, plus Patty and Manu. For the eighth? Right this minute I would probably pick Murray, because of his potential and the fact that his contract will keep him around longer than most of the rest. You could probably risk Manu, because of his age and contract, so Kyle is probably the next one on the list to protect. But if Manu got snatched, the bench would be fucked.

BTW - even if they only added 2 new teams, that would mean there would be 30 additional players in the league. If there were 30 additional good players sitting around waiting for a job, the Spurs wouldn't be struggling with the bottom third of their roster so much. (Nor would a lot of other teams.) Even people who don't like Parker have to see that he's not expendable on this roster. So if you exposed him, you would have to replace him with a player who is: 1)available, 2)affordable, and 3)as good or better. And the replacement pool is going to be shallower than it is right now. Which makes guys like Lap and Murray more necessary than they are right now.

[tbdog]

Schroder just resigned with the Hawks for 70 million for 4 years. Mills will get over 50 million for 4 years.