Official 2016 Spurs Offseason Thread

[JuneJive]

I really don't think there's any chance of PATFO trading Parker.
Basketball reasons tell us that we should trade him, but he's tenured.
One of the Big Three. A remnant of that, but still, PATFO wouldn't do him like that.


I think it's a given that he is staying.

[Chinook]

Woj says the cap should be $96 million. That's just an estimate by them but the spurs could certainly use the extra room for that max contract option

Yeah, they can. Because that would let them just cut Diaw and trade Mills to get the max option back on the table.

[spursistan]

Tony (and maybe Diaw in the same package) wouldn't say no to life in NYC and the Eastern conference..

Sometimes you need to bite the sentimental bullet with these kind of decisions..the Celtics recently did it when they shipped Pierce/KG and look at how that turned out..

[Ron Swanson]

Not Spurs related, but early trade!!

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The first domino falls. This will send shockwaves throughout the league.

[loveforthegame]

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[RD2191]

Just say NO to old fucks. Seriously, we need youth.

[TimDunkem]

Just say NO to old fucks. Seriously, we need youth.
Bonner will resign. Just be ready for that.

[r0drig0lac]

Bonner will resign for 15/3. Just be ready for that.

[palangi]

I'm depressed a bit. I was looking forward to Cady Lalanne stepping up this offseason and becoming a young big on the Spurs roster. Just saw that he's only 6 feet 9. Don't know why i thought he was a 7 footer.
One thing that really helps cady lalanne is his 7'4.5" wingspan. Helps him to play bigger.

[Keepin' it real]

One thing that really helps cady lalanne is his 7'4.5" wingspan. Helps him to play bigger.

I hear what you're saying, but that (wingspan) is actually one of my "NBA scouting" pet peeves. A 6 foot 9 player with wingspan is not the answer against the likes of Adams and Kanter. The Spurs need a legit 7 footer who can rebound and more importantly, protect the rim.

If memory serves, Cady is not the most nimble guy and definitely not a rim protector. I mean, if he can be a good stretch 4, that's fine, but I'm wondering who's going to have Kawhi's back on defense.

[palangi]

I hear what you're saying, but that (wingspan) is actually one of my "NBA scouting" pet peeves. A 6 foot 9 player with wingspan is not the answer against the likes of Adams and Kanter. The Spurs need a legit 7 footer who can rebound and more importantly, protect the rim.

If memory serves, Cady is not the most nimble guy and definitely not a rim protector. I mean, if he can be a good stretch 4, that's fine, but I'm wondering who's going to have Kawhi's back on defense.
I get what you're saying against Adams. But he is a true 5 while Lalanne is a 4. You're comparing Lalanne to the wrong guy.

Ibaka is is only a 6'9" or 6'10" guy also. That is who he would guard. And Kanter was 6'9 3/4" at the NBA combine. Not really bigger either.

height without shoes

kanter 6'9.75"
ibaka. 6'9.5"
adams 6'10.75

lalanne. 6'8.75"


no step verts

kanter 27.5"
ibaka. 28"
Adams. 28.5


lalanne 28.5

[palangi]

The standing reach for all 3.

Kanter 9'1.5"
ibaka 9'3"
Adams 9'1.5"

lalanne 9'2.5"

[montgod]

The standing reach for all 3.

Kanter 9'1.5"
ibaka 9'3"
Adams 9'1.5"

lalanne 9'2.5"

For comparison purposes:

Predraft Measurements for Draymond Green
Height w/o Shoes: 6' 5.75"
Height w/shoes: 6' 7.5"
Wingspan: 7' 1.25"
Standing Reach: 8' 9"

[ace3g]

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Report: Milwaukee shopping Gregg Monroe around “hard”

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“I am going to try to play another year, hopefully, with the Spurs,” said Bonner, 36. “We’ll see what happens.”

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/Bonner-not-ready-to-say-goodbye-to-Spurs-8313971.php?t=00fa551decc6ed8151&cmpid=twitter-premium

[DPG21920]

I'm not totally surprised at Monroe rumours - I brought him up as a trade candidate. It might be tougher to move him than people think.

[dabom]

The Spurs are too soft to drop Bonner. They can't even drop the 15th guy on the roster. :lmao

[dabom]

People actually thinking Monroe would be a good fit with the Spurs. :lmao

[ace3g]

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[T Park]

Just read "Memphis front office growing worried Conley isn't coming back".


That is surprising, and hoping it's not the Spurs.

[TheGoldStandard]

So Bonner will retire a Spur after his 3/15 deal.

[dabom]

So Bonner will retire a Spur after his 3/15 deal.

You don't think we are low balling him?

[TheGoldStandard]

The Spurs are too soft to drop Bonner. They can't even drop the 15th guy on the roster. :lmao

:pop: He's a great glue guy.. and makes great sandwiches

[TheGoldStandard]

You don't think we are low balling him?

We will offer him a piece of the franchise after the 3/15 deal.

[TheGoldStandard]

Just read "Memphis front office growing worried Conley isn't coming back".


That is surprising, and hoping it's not the Spurs.

Yes.. just say no to Conley and No to Monroe

[Hoops Czar]

"I am going to try to play another year, hopefully, with the Spurs,” said Bonner, 36. “We’ll see what happens.”

Just who the hell does Bonner think he is? He doesn't play at all. He sits on the end of the bench collecting five figure paychecks for doing absolutely nothing. What a sweet gig.

[dabom]

We will offer him a piece of the franchise after the 3/15 deal.

Minority owner. :lol

[tbdog]

Bonner wants to keep playing for the Spurs (http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/Bonner-not-ready-to-say-goodbye-to-Spurs-8313971.php?t=00fa551decc6ed8151&cmpid=twitter-premium)

[dabom]

"I am going to try to play another year, hopefully, with the Spurs,” said Bonner, 36. “We’ll see what happens.”

Just who the hell does Bonner think he is? He doesn't play at all. He sits on the end of the bench collecting five figure paychecks for doing absolutely nothing. What a sweet gig.

He also gets some bad ass seats. :lol

[TheGoldStandard]

"I am going to try to play another year, hopefully, with the Spurs,” said Bonner, 36. “We’ll see what happens.”

Just who the hell does Bonner think he is? He doesn't play at all. He sits on the end of the bench collecting five figure paychecks for doing absolutely nothing. What a sweet gig.
:pop: We're a great locker room presence. Uses just the right amount of starch

[r0drig0lac]

Bonner wants to keep playing for the Spurs (http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/Bonner-not-ready-to-say-goodbye-to-Spurs-8313971.php?t=00fa551decc6ed8151&cmpid=twitter-premium)

this guy can not just go away?

[T Park]

"I am going to try to play another year, hopefully, with the Spurs,” said Bonner, 36. “We’ll see what happens.”

Just who the hell does Bonner think he is? He doesn't play at all. He sits on the end of the bench collecting five figure paychecks for doing absolutely nothing. What a sweet gig.

five figure? Minimum in the NBA is almost 600 K......

[TheGoldStandard]

five figure? Minimum in the NBA is almost 600 K......

Maybe monthly or however they get paid.. lol..

[SAGirl]

I'm not totally surprised at Monroe rumours - I brought him up as a trade candidate. It might be tougher to move him than people think.
CAncerous right? Detroit got better without him and Milwaukee took a step back with him. Obviously both franchises had other roster changes but it's not a good sign for Monroe.

[NameLess Scrub]

"I am going to try to play another year, hopefully, with the Spurs,” said Bonner, 36. “We’ll see what happens.”

Just who the hell does Bonner think he is? He doesn't play at all. He sits on the end of the bench collecting five figure paychecks for doing absolutely nothing. What a sweet gig.

Agree.. not that the rest of the NBA players don't have a sweet gig too.

[szkorhetz]

People actually thinking Monroe would be a good fit with the Spurs. :lmao
It's not about fit, much more about a realistic target. How much better could we get compared to him? Realisticly, other than Durant, Conley?

[random21]

http://www.gospelherald.com/articles/64782/20160620/nba-trade-rumors-kenneth-faried-leaving-denver-nuggets-for-san-antonio-spurs.htm

This is probably a bullshit site, trying to get some love...

[Spurtacular]

Spurs have to get younger, faster, taller and stronger in their back court. It's not about the names. Do that, and they'll be in good shape.

[Spurtacular]

http://www.gospelherald.com/articles/64782/20160620/nba-trade-rumors-kenneth-faried-leaving-denver-nuggets-for-san-antonio-spurs.htm

This is probably a bullshit site, trying to get some love...

I don't see it happening; but Faried would give us what we need against OKC and GS in terms of toughness against Adams/Green.

[Keepin' it real]

Minority owner. :lol

But he's white.:downspin:

[MaNu4Tres]

Take this for what it is. Jay Bilas saying SA trying to move up to 13 ( Suns).

Only thing that makes some sense is Tyson Chandler +13th pick for Diaw/Mills. Would be awesome if Spurs can get the 34th pick too.

Suns get to wipe TC's contract off their books and go after two big free agents this summer. Spurs get pricey, but defensive center they need and get the 13th pick.

[jyra]

Milos Teodosic interested in coming over to the NBA:

http://www.eurohoops.net/featured/265553/the-spurs-and-the-jazz-are-two-teams-id-like-to-play-for



“Each player, whether he likes to admit it or not, has the desire to be in the NBA. To be part of it”, he said in the Serbian edition of VICE (http://www.vice.com/rs/read/milos-teodosic-za-vice-slava-se-ne-stice-u-klubu-vec-u-reprezentaciji). “I think that the quality of the NBA has quite fallen in the last five to ten years, but it is still the best league in the world. And I still have the desire to try myself out there. Of course, not anywhere and not in any way. If I left Europe for the NBA, it would be only for a situation where I knew I’ll be there to play.”

When asked which club would be at the top of his preferences, Teodosic picked two teams for some very specific reasons. “The San Antonio Sprus, since it is a team that has developed a style close to the so called ‘European’ basketball. The plays have a lot of extra passes etc. Also the Utah Jazz. Their coach Quin Snyder is a former assistant to Ettore Messina (in 2012/2013 CSKA Moscow) and someone with a phenomenal attitude. He is a great man, one of the most promising coaches in USA right now. And he really knows me well. So I think I’d be a very good fit there, knowing him and his system of work. Also the composition of the Jazz is quite solid, they have a lot of young and athletic players”.



He played for Messina before and I'm sure that Boban will have nothing but good things to say about the Spurs. He's still "only" 29 years old and comes off the best season of his career which included winning the Euroleague.

His style of play is similar to Manu, great passer with a knack for crazy shots but also quite bad on defense. His shooting percentages this year have been very good: 47.9% FG%, 42.5% 3P% (with 5.38 3PA per game), 89.1% FT%.

The question is what kind of salary he would command. Right now he is one of the best paid players in Europe, so you can't expect him to over on a minimum deal like Boban did.
Here's an older article saying that it would take $3M+: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/234881/Milos-Teodosic-Would-Seek-$3M+-Annually-To-Come-To-NBA

[NASpurs]

Oh wow! I'm a big fan of Milos! He would be a great bench player for the Spurs

[TheGreatYacht]

Pretty good stats last season, bring him over. Anyone but Kyle at PG

[T Park]

Take this for what it is. Jay Bilas saying SA trying to move up to 13 ( Suns).

Only thing that makes some sense is Tyson Chandler +13th pick for Diaw/Mills. Would be awesome if Spurs can get the 34th pick too.

Suns get to wipe TC's contract off their books and go after two big free agents this summer. Spurs get pricey, but defensive center they need and get the 13th pick.


Tyson Chandler on that contract?

UGH not no, but hell no.

[eDizzle20]

Tyson Chandler on that contract?

UGH not no, but hell no.
Agreed. No way the Spurs would take on that contract. If they did they could say goodbye to their KD pursuit.

[SPURt]

Tyson Chandler on that contract?

UGH not no, but hell no.
Taking on a craptastic contract like that is the only way the Spurs have any shot of grabbing a lottery pick with such limited trade assets available. I just hope whomever they're targeting makes a serious impact.

[Ice009]

No way would I be interested in Tyson Chandler with his current contract and age on top of that. No thanks at all.

[Juan]

Take this for what it is. Jay Bilas saying SA trying to move up to 13 ( Suns).

Only thing that makes some sense is Tyson Chandler +13th pick for Diaw/Mills. Would be awesome if Spurs can get the 34th pick too.

Suns get to wipe TC's contract off their books and go after two big free agents this summer. Spurs get pricey, but defensive center they need and get the 13th pick.

Could be worth it. Especially if the Suns buyout Diaw and he turns around and re-signs with SA..

[MaNu4Tres]

Agreed. No way the Spurs would take on that contract. If they did they could say goodbye to their KD pursuit.

Spurs could still sign Durant at the expense of Green/Anderson or Parker -- if TD/MG retire.

[MaNu4Tres]

Tyson Chandler on that contract?

UGH not no, but hell no.

You get the 13th, 34th and or Bogdanovic with it though. If TC flat out sucks, worse case, Spurs pay him his money which is only 10% of cap btw for 2 years and waive/spread his last year.

[SD126]

Could be worth it. Especially if the Suns buyout Diaw and he turns around and re-signs with SA..

He wouldn't be able to re-sign for one calendar year. Plus his fat, lard ass wore his welcome after '14, but Poop and the retards upstairs weren't man enough to tell his ass to walk after #5. And if he's gone (hopefully) he stays gone.

[SD126]

I don't see it happening; but Faried would give us what we need against OKC and GS in terms of toughness against Adams/Green.

He can come, but his shit faced contract can stay in Denver.

[DPG21920]

You get the 13th, 34th and or Bogdanovic with it though. If TC flat out sucks, worse case, Spurs pay him his money which is only 10% of cap btw for 2 years and waive/spread his last year.

Are you sure? I just looked it up and saw that TC has 3 years left on his deal..or did you mean you would waive/spread the last two years of his deal after this next season (if he didn't fit/workout)?

[MaNu4Tres]

Are you sure? I just looked it up and saw that TC has 3 years left on his deal..or did you mean you would waive/spread the last two years of his deal after this next season (if he didn't fit/workout)?

He has 3 years left, but if his play is terrible and he regresses significantly -- SA can waive/spread him the last year ( so really you're taking him on for 2 years).

[DPG21920]

He has 3 years left, but if his play is terrible and he regresses significantly -- SA can waive/spread him the last year ( so really you're taking him on for 2 years).

For sure, I see what you were saying.

[Emperor]

He can come, but his shit faced contract can stay in Denver.

Would rather go after Nikola Jokic but don't think Denver would be willing to give him up.

[SAGirl]

Would rather go after Nikola Jokic but don't think Denver would be willing to give him up.
Even the clippers offering Blake Griffin didn't swing the trade (they wanted others too so it was too much even for Blake). Nokia is as untouchable as KAT and other franchise players. It will take trading a franchise player for another. Just don't see it happening.

[Kawhitstorm]

I'm not totally surprised at Monroe rumours - I brought him up as a trade candidate. It might be tougher to move him than people think.

Trade Monroe for Tyson Chandler makes sense for both team.

[rastaspur]

Even the clippers offering Blake Griffin didn't swing the trade (they wanted others too so it was too much even for Blake). Nokia is as untouchable as KAT and other franchise players. It will take trading a franchise player for another. Just don't see it happening.

Jokic is a player. His bball iq is through the roof.

Great passer
Unselfish
3 point range
Best big man rookie in ages as far as knowing angles and being in the proper position on defense.

He is a very polished and well rounded player despite athletic limitations.
In short, he has a high ceiling.

[r0drig0lac]

Jokic is a player. His bball iq is through the roof.

Great passer
Unselfish
3 point range
Best big man rookie in ages as far as knowing angles and being in the proper position on defense.

He is a very polished and well rounded player despite athletic limitations.
In short, he has a high ceiling.

no, KAT >>>>

[Spurtacular]

He can come, but his shit faced contract can stay in Denver.

$12 M for an all-star seems acceptable to me.

[LakerHater]

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[SAGirl]

Jokic is a player. His bball iq is through the roof.

Great passer
Unselfish
3 point range
Best big man rookie in ages as far as knowing angles and being in the proper position on defense.

He is a very polished and well rounded player despite athletic limitations.
In short, he has a high ceiling.
Agreed and all of this at a young age which is why I stated it would take the trade of a franchise player for another (Kawhi or LMA).

[LakerHater]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClgC5_kWQAAN7RZ.jpg

[SAGirl]

^^^ Thanks for the pictures LakerHater. Man Boris used to be my favorite player. He's still so skilled and unique but he's coasted and been lazy so long that I have started to dislike him a little bit. He looks in better shape in that picture.

[LakerHater]

^^^ Thanks for the pictures LakerHater. Man Boris used to be my favorite player. He's still so skilled and unique but he's coasted and been lazy so long that I have started to dislike him a little bit. He looks in better shape in that picture.http://i.imgbox.com/OzF5H1fQ.gif

[ace3g]

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[spursistan]

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Parker looking washed and awful per par..yeah, let's run back this thing :rolleyes...

[spursistan]

Any team that's starting 34 year-old Parker at PG in his current shape is kidding itself about being a "contender"..

[Spurs9]

I dont think it would work, but do you think RC is even considering a dwight possibility? I dont personally want him, but who knows what they coulddo.

[rastaspur]

no, KAT >>>>

Overall he clearly is. But based on positional defense and always being in the right spot and being an extremely intelligent player , i think jokic is better in that regard.

KAT is an excellent athlete with really good fundamentals and a great bball iq. But Fundamentally and instinctively speaking, i give the edge to jokic purely because he isnt an athlete but his instincts, knowledge and feel for the game are through the roof.

If i had to pick a young player to build a franchise around i would pick KAT though. He is the real deal.

[tbdog]

http://i.imgbox.com/OzF5H1fQ.gif

Better than Lebron's block /s

[tbdog]

I dont think it would work, but do you think RC is even considering a dwight possibility? I dont personally want him, but who knows what they coulddo.

TD tried to recruit Howard a few years back. Obviously there wasn't even a meeting so it was a long shot. I couldn't think of a center to pair up with LMA that isn't more perfect than Howard (other than the max guys like Whiteside). However, I hate Howard's hands (they are terrible). He won't be catching Manu passers.

[look_at_g_shred]

Howard? Disgusting..did anyone watch This post-season? Horrible basketball player.

[ace3g]

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[tbdog]

^ The whole Rockets team was horrible. They all clearly quit on one another long time ago. Talent alone got them that 8 seed. Howard isn't disgusting. But you wouldn't touch him with a big contract.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Take this for what it is. Jay Bilas saying SA trying to move up to 13 ( Suns).

Only thing that makes some sense is Tyson Chandler +13th pick for Diaw/Mills. Would be awesome if Spurs can get the 34th pick too.

Suns get to wipe TC's contract off their books and go after two big free agents this summer. Spurs get pricey, but defensive center they need and get the 13th pick.

Chandler would be a great fit next to LMA, and we could probably draft Wade Baldwin at 13. Interesting.

[ace3g]

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[Robz4000]

Bring back Sean imo. Can't be any worse than Porker or Bonner.

[SD126]

Would rather go after Nikola Jokic but don't think Denver would be willing to give him up.

I like Jokic much better than Faried but agreed, Denver isn't giving him up.

[SD126]

$12 M for an all-star seems acceptable to me.

You get $12 million and can't put up 20-10, beyond acceptable

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[Mnky]

Howard is not a mac player, especially with his Injury history. His character quality is very immature for his age as well. Besides that though, he would be a formidable pairing with LMA and kawhi. That would be a hell of a defense to score down low on. Howard also, despite the general view, is a good down low post scorer simply because he runs the court and is good at getting position. He played well against golden state even when the team quit. Bogut, arguably the best defensive center, had fits with him. He won't be matching up against guys stronger than him too often. He can still rebound and defend at a high level.

That being said, nor very likely option, but wouldnt be the worse. Any help for LMA would make this team much better. He was a one man front court against the thunder.

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/727707285858979840/qM-BH3oE_bigger.jpg Scott Howard-Cooper ‏@SHowardCooper (https://twitter.com/SHowardCooper)

Some interest around the league in Ben McLemore of the Kings. Teams know he is available and are calling. Not necessarily connected to picks

[Spurs9]

Lets trade up for Bender.

[Spur|n|Austin]

ace3g - I guess that means Timmy is working out with Jessie James Leija again this summer?

[ace3g]

^ Very possible he was there. He always mentioned boxing was part of the path to get in better shape and stay competitive at the tail end of his career.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Parker/Baldwin/MCW
Green/Simmons/Manu
Leonard/Anderson/Bertans
Aldridge/West/Milutinov
Chandler/Marjanovic/Duncan

Wouldn't be a serious contender in 2017 (development year), but for 2018 and beyond that's an intriguing squad. Not sure what we'd trade to get MCW if Mils goes to the Suns, but I'm sure something could be found.

[TheGreatYacht]

Lets trade up for Bender.
He averaged 8 minutes and 2 points last year, no lol

[MaNu4Tres]

Parker/Baldwin/MCW
Green/Simmons/Manu
Leonard/Anderson/Bertans
Aldridge/West/Milutinov
Chandler/Marjanovic/Duncan

Wouldn't be a serious contender in 2017 (development year), but for 2018 and beyond that's an intriguing squad. Not sure what we'd grade to get MCW if Mils goes to the Suns, but I'm sure something could be found.

Spurs could get Bogdanovic and 34th too in Chandler trade.

They could then turn around and sign Conley and trade TP to MEM.

Assuming TD/MG retire:

Conley/ Baldwin (13th/ GPII (34th)
Green/Bogdanovic or Simmons
Kawhi/Bertans or Anderson
Aldridge/? FA (West, Lance Thomas, Quincy Acy) or 29th pick (Robert Carter, Zizic, Brice Johnson, Maker, Onauku)
Chandler/ Boban/ FA (Plumlee)

Spurs can make Simmons or Anderson expendable and get something back -- if they bring over Bertans, Hanga, or if hypothetical Chandler trade happens, and they bring over Bogdanovic too.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Spurs could get Bogdanovic and 34th too in Chandler trade.

They could then turn around and sign Conley and trade TP to MEM.

Assuming TD/MG retire:

Conley/ Baldwin (13th/ GPII (34th)
Green/Bogdanovic or Simmons
Kawhi/Bertans or Anderson
Aldridge/? FA (West, Lance Thomas, Quincy Acy) or 29th pick (Robert Carter, Zizic, Brice Johnson, Maker, Onauku)
Chandler/ Boban/ FA (Plumlee)

Spurs can make Simmons or Anderson expendable and get something back -- if they bring over Bertans, Hanga, or if hypothetical Chandler trade happens, and they bring over Bogdanovic too.

I've accepted that they're probably not trading TP, and he'd not be a bad guy to have around to mentor young PGs and play 6th man once one of them takes over.

I think it's worth giving Simmons and Anderson another year to see what they have.

I think the broader point is that we've got more options than it appeared at first. I really hope the FA goes with a youth movement, and having Timmy and Manu along to mentor for one final season wouldn't hurt.

[tbdog]

If the Spurs get a meeting with Durant, you cannot gimp your chance by trading for bloody Chandler. You go into that meeting with a couple of salary packages.

[Ice009]

TD tried to recruit Howard a few years back. Obviously there wasn't even a meeting so it was a long shot. I couldn't think of a center to pair up with LMA that isn't more perfect than Howard (other than the max guys like Whiteside). However, I hate Howard's hands (they are terrible). He won't be catching Manu passers.

Really? I don't recall TD or the Spurs ever trying to recruit Howard. You sure it wasn't Josh Howard you're referring to ;).

[ace3g]

Chandler Parsons To Opt Out (http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2016/06/chandler-parsons-to-opt-out.html)
June 21st 2016 at 10:17pm CST by Eddie Scarito

Mavericks small forward Chandler Parsons (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parsoch01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) has decided to opt out of his deal and hit free agency this summer, Tim MacMahon of ESPN.com (http://espn.go.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0537079089379414037-4) reports (ESPN Now link).

[poeticism707]

TD tried to recruit Howard a few years back. Obviously there wasn't even a meeting so it was a long shot. I couldn't think of a center to pair up with LMA that isn't more perfect than Howard (other than the max guys like Whiteside). However, I hate Howard's hands (they are terrible). He won't be catching Manu passers.

We are so fucking lucky that D Howard didn't come here.

[tbdog]

Really? I don't recall TD or the Spurs ever trying to recruit Howard. You sure it wasn't Josh Howard you're referring to ;).

No dwight.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=190827&highlight=Letter+from+Tim+Duncan+to+Dwight+Howard

The original source is now gone, but here is the letter http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=250566

[skulls138]

We are so fucking lucky that D Howard didn't come here.I wonder. The influence of Duncan, Pop and previous success might have changed him.

[SAGirl]

Chandler Parsons To Opt Out (http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2016/06/chandler-parsons-to-opt-out.html)


June 21st 2016 at 10:17pm CST by Eddie Scarito

Mavericks small forward Chandler Parsons (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parsoch01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) has decided to opt out of his deal and hit free agency this summer, Tim MacMahon of ESPN.com (http://espn.go.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0537079089379414037-4) reports (ESPN Now link).
Maverick possibly blowing it up? I know Dirk has stated he wants to retire a Maverick but he didn't want to be in a rebuild situation...

[Ron Swanson]

Or is he going to re-sign for less money to give the Mavs some cap space? I don't see Cuban blowing it up. He'll try to piece together some shit to think they can make one last run for Dirk.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Milos Teodosic interested in coming over to the NBA:

http://www.eurohoops.net/featured/265553/the-spurs-and-the-jazz-are-two-teams-id-like-to-play-for



He played for Messina before and I'm sure that Boban will have nothing but good things to say about the Spurs. He's still "only" 29 years old and comes off the best season of his career which included winning the Euroleague.

His style of play is similar to Manu, great passer with a knack for crazy shots but also quite bad on defense. His shooting percentages this year have been very good: 47.9% FG%, 42.5% 3P% (with 5.38 3PA per game), 89.1% FT%.

The question is what kind of salary he would command. Right now he is one of the best paid players in Europe, so you can't expect him to over on a minimum deal like Boban did.
Here's an older article saying that it would take $3M+: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/234881/Milos-Teodosic-Would-Seek-$3M+-Annually-To-Come-To-NBA

He's a great player but his game is very unlikely to fit in the NBA, he strikes me as a Navarro/V-Span type who is great for Europe but not for the NBA, where their limitations would be exploitable. He struggles a lot against elite athleticism, even in Europe. His stats look great but he also averages 5+ turnovers per 40 and that's against much less athletic opponents and at 29 he's everything he's ever going to be. Unless it's for the min or close to it, which we know he's not taking, it'd be a huge risk for NBA teams to get him.

[szkorhetz]

I think DH would be a really good fit, but only if we could get a stretch 4 coming of the bench. Ilya or Ryan Anderson type.

[CGD]

Today we learn about Manu right?

[Emperor]

Today we learn about Manu right?

Yup

[jyra]

He's a great player but his game is very unlikely to fit in the NBA, he strikes me as a Navarro/V-Span type who is great for Europe but not for the NBA, where their limitations would be exploitable. He struggles a lot against elite athleticism, even in Europe. His stats look great but he also averages 5+ turnovers per 40 and that's against much less athletic opponents and at 29 he's everything he's ever going to be. Unless it's for the min or close to it, which we know he's not taking, it'd be a huge risk for NBA teams to get him.

Those are valid concerns, especially concerning the athletic disparity. I think the turnovers aren't that much of a problem. He obviously likes to make risky passes but in a smaller role I would expect those numbers to go down. His usage with CSKA was 26.13% this season, that's more than anyone on the Spurs had this year.

Outside of that it would be ridiculously entertaining if the Spurs threw out a lineup with Teodosic, Manu and Boris. The passing would be insane.

[ace3g]

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I totally think LJC is a near-lock. Again, he has almost unilateral authority to sign his rookie deal. Bertans is a much more interesting case, as there isn't a rookie scale for him to slot into. But with Milutinov and possibly Hanga and Dangubic being part of the summer-league squads, there isn't a shortage of options.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Interesting but not sure the Spurs would be happy to carry 3 rookies on the roster next season on top of other inexperienced dudes like Boban, Simmons and Anderson.

[NASpurs]

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[DPG21920]

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[Emperor]

Manu waiting till after the Olympics perhaps?

[duncan2150]

I totally think LJC is a near-lock. Again, he has almost unilateral authority to sign his rookie deal. Bertans is a much more interesting case, as there isn't a rookie scale for him to slot into. But with Milutinov and possibly Hanga and Dangubic being part of the summer-league squads, there isn't a shortage of options.

I think LJC and Bertans will be spurs next year, Mulitinov and others will stay overseas imo.

[raybies]

I think we are going to need milutinov more than livio. A competent big like him won't come cheap. Assuming we resign marjanovic and Duncan retires that's two open spots. We may need to draft a big. A pf/c would be ideal like Pau.

[Mr. Body]

I think LJC and Bertans will be spurs next year, Mulitinov and others will stay overseas imo.

LJC does absolutely nothing for this team. Would rather have Milutinov a thousand times first.

[montgod]

LJC does absolutely nothing for this team. Would rather have Milutinov a thousand times first.

I have to agree. I don't see LJC coming over this year.

[Spur|n|Austin]

LJC does absolutely nothing for this team. Would rather have Milutinov a thousand times first.

+1 - yep, Milutinov covers a couple of missing pieces for us. I'm excited to see how he plays this summer league.

[Mr. Body]

I have to agree. I don't see LJC coming over this year.

Besides the fact that LJC doesn't look like an NBA player.

[Chinook]

I have to agree. I don't see LJC coming over this year.

The Spurs don't have the option to force him to stay over. If he doesn't come over, it would be his choice, not the team's.

[tav1]

Over/under: Spurs carry 3 rookies next season?

[Mal]

Over/under: Spurs carry 3 rookies next season?

With Durant on board, it will be over. With Tim/Manu without Durant/Conley under

[Mr. Body]

The Spurs don't have the option to force him to stay over. If he doesn't come over, it would be his choice, not the team's.

They don't have to sign him if they don't want to. Let him walk.

[Chinook]

They don't have to sign him if they don't want to. Let him walk.

Nah, that contract is already offered. You're right they can withdraw it, but they're not going to do that. Dude allowed them to stash him instead of taking that money. Would be bitch-made to go back on their promise.

[bklynspursfan]

West :-/

[Mr. Body]

Nah, that contract is already offered. You're right they can withdraw it, but they're not going to do that. Dude allowed them to stash him instead of taking that money. Would be bitch-made to go back on their promise.

I'm surprised. He seems like a total scrub. Oh well, guess he'll take Matt Bonner's useless spot.

[Keepin' it real]

LJC is a very poor man's Ian Mahinmi. No thanks. He ain't ever coming over.

[Mr. Body]

LJC is a very poor man's Ian Mahinmi. No thanks. He ain't ever coming over.

I don't think he has any of Mahinmi's potential.

[montgod]

Nah, that contract is already offered. You're right they can withdraw it, but they're not going to do that. Dude allowed them to stash him instead of taking that money. Would be bitch-made to go back on their promise.

I maybe wrong, but it doesn't sound like the Spurs are locked into a contract with him, just a current salary cap hold until it's decided what Spurs will do with him. Read this old article excerpt below (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/guide-to-the-trade-deadline--spurs-always-thinking-ahead-001850350.html)

"INSIDER INFO
Although not on the roster, the cap holds for previous first-round picks Nikola Milutinov and Livio Jean-Charles will hit the Spurs salary cap in July.

San Antonio can release the holds by notifying the NBA of its desire not to sign them, but doing so would make either player ineligible to sign in 2016-17. Both players’ cap holds were released last July when San Antonio needed cap space to sign LaMarcus Aldridge."

And I don't think it would be necessarily looked at as negative from the Spurs screwing him over because he was drafted in 2013 and just hasn't panned out as expected. After 3 years, and not signed by original club, he can always go out and get more than the rookie scale from another NBA team as well.

[Chinook]

I maybe wrong, but it doesn't sound like the Spurs are locked into a contract with him, just a current salary cap hold until it's decided what Spurs will do with him. Read this old article excerpt below (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/guide-to-the-trade-deadline--spurs-always-thinking-ahead-001850350.html)

"INSIDER INFO
Although not on the roster, the cap holds for previous first-round picks Nikola Milutinov and Livio Jean-Charles will hit the Spurs salary cap in July.

San Antonio can release the holds by notifying the NBA of its desire not to sign them, but doing so would make either player ineligible to sign in 2016-17. Both players’ cap holds were released last July when San Antonio needed cap space to sign LaMarcus Aldridge."

And I don't think it would be necessarily looked at as negative because he was drafted in 2013 and just hasn't panned out as expected. After 3 years, and not signed by original club, he can always go out and get more than the rookie scale from another NBA team as well.

That source is incorrect. The notification comes from both the player and the team. Just like with DeShaun Thomas, but with LJC, there is guaranteed money in the tenders, not a non-guaranteed minimum contract.

[Ditty]

LJC had some pretty impressive athleticism in the summer league that's NBA level. He made some nice passes also. He needs to improve his jumper though but it's not terrible and doesn't have a bad form. From what I remember there was some talk that he wasn't being developed properly in France because he wasn't being played much. He's only 22 year old, has some years to develop he's one of the players outside of Bertans I want to bring over. Milutinov should be brought over especially if we don't bring back Boban or we aren't able to sign another mobile big man which we need. I'm not sure if Spurs would want to have almost 1/3 of their roster being rookies though.

[T Park]

You get the 13th, 34th and or Bogdanovic with it though. If TC flat out sucks, worse case, Spurs pay him his money which is only 10% of cap btw for 2 years and waive/spread his last year.



No way they give up that much for what the Spurs send.

Zero incentive for Phoenix.

[CGD]

I guess the way I see LJC is, would I rather have him than someone like Thomas Robinson for that affordable energy big off the bench. I say why not?

[NASpurs]

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[NASpurs]

Is it going to be Utah's pick that's headed the other way :(

[DisAsTerBot]

utah has got to ditch some guards

[montgod]

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Good trade for Indiana. I wouldn't have minded if the Spurs had gotten Teague. I think that will help them to appease PGeorge and give him a better running mate at point.

[Strategic]

Damn, Pacers sending Hill to Siberia.

[CGD]

Solid trade. Wonder what ATL gets back

[LakerHater]

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[montgod]

Solid trade. Wonder what ATL gets back

Probably cap fodder... lol

[Ditty]

Well it looks like George Hill is coming back to San Antonio next year if he already hasn't made up his mind. I'm pretty sure he has anyway that he wants to come back from what I've heard :lol

[Dancelot]

Well it looks like George Hill is coming back to San Antonio next year if he already hasn't made up his mind. I'm pretty sure he has anyway that he wants to come back from what I've heard :lol
I'll accept. :bobo

[Robz4000]

Well it looks like George Hill is coming back to San Antonio next year if he already hasn't made up his mind. I'm pretty sure he has anyway that he wants to come back from what I've heard :lol

Might as well just work a deal for him now. Send Bobo to Utah and reacquire Hill.

[Ditty]

Might as well just work a deal for him now. Send Bobo to Utah and reacquire Hill.

I wouldn't be mad, even if I wasn't a big George Hill fan again after that 2011 post season performance...

[gambit1990]

moving parker's contract should be priority #1.

[SAGirl]

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Bertans definitely, maybe Milutinov depending how he looks (that why the maybe more), maybe Cady bc they stashed him in the dleague last season per agreement and they will at least give him a chance to make the team through training camp. Maybe LJC bc as a first round pick he has to agree to continue to be stashed. I definitely see more than just Bertans in.
Thanks for sharing by the way. :tu

[r0drig0lac]

I guess the way I see LJC is, would I rather have him than someone like Thomas Robinson for that affordable energy big off the bench. I say why not?

because he is a scrub?

[TheGreatYacht]

Livio Jean-Charles :lol another first round bust by RC.

Livio 2016 season stats:
23MPG, 6.8PPG, 5.1RPG, 1.1APG, 0.3SPG, 0.5BPG

No thanks.

[montgod]

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How about getting 12 pick from ATL? They need capspace to try an sign Horford and Bazemore.

[TheGoldStandard]

I'd take George Hill back now in a heartbeat coming off the bench and being our new 6th man.. He has great leadership qualities.

[montgod]

I'd take George Hill back now in a heartbeat coming off the bench and being our new 6th man.. He has great leadership qualities.

Utah won't give up on Hill with Exum still coming back from injury. He is the defacto starter at this point unless another one of their 20 pgs beats him out.

[TheGoldStandard]

Utah won't give up on Hill with Exum still coming back from injury. He is the defacto starter at this point unless another one of their 20 pgs beats him out.

Perhaps but maybe we can interest them in the swiss army knife that is Kyle Anderson. lol..

[LakerHater]

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[timtonymanu]

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Enrique for #12, do it RC.

[NASpurs]

WOJ BOMB

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[szkorhetz]

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[LakerHater]

Wow

[Robz4000]

Damn, the Knicks traded Grant? Are they seriously counting on Rose to be their starting PG for 5+ years?

[szkorhetz]

Good trade for Chicago.

[bklynspursfan]

So is Noah gone for sure if they're getting Lopez?

[TheGoldStandard]

WOJ BOMB

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Isaiah Thomas must be consulting.. Hahaha.. giving up any number of players for D Bust.

[NASpurs]

All of these dominoes falling seems like it affects the Spurs one way or another :lol (Gasol in this case)

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[bklynspursfan]

Dwight gonna end up in a Knicks uniform?

[timtonymanu]

All of these dominoes falling seems like it affects the Spurs one way or another :lol (Gasol in this case)

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Just need the Butler trade to happen. Feel like Bulls players didn't like playing with Rose. :lol

[montgod]

Just need the Butler trade to happen. Feel like Bulls players didn't like playing with Rose. :lol

They won't trade Butler

[bklynspursfan]

Actually Noah probably follows Rose..

[timtonymanu]

Actually Noah probably follows Rose..

Makes sense. The lineup probably sucks but Noah/Porzingis/Melo/Rose are all big names so they can be next year's version of 2014 Brooklyn for the Cavs.

[montgod]

Makes sense. The lineup probably sucks but Noah/Porzingis/Melo/Rose are all big names so they can be next year's version of 2014 Brooklyn for the Cavs.

Or convince Gasol if they don't care about defense and is familiar with Phil.

[look_at_g_shred]

is that bulls trade legit? Looks like a fake tweet

[Chinook]

is that bulls trade legit? Looks like a fake tweet

Yes, it's legit.

[Hoops Czar]

Chicago got nothing back in return for Rose. They must have been desperate.

[r0drig0lac]

Dwight gonna end up in a Knicks uniform?

yes, and somehow the Knicks win a trade

[montgod]

yes, and somehow the Knicks win a trade

Hopefully Rose stays healthy

[MaNu4Tres]

No way they give up that much for what the Spurs send.

Zero incentive for Phoenix.

Shedding 36 million off their books for the next 3 years will help their immediate rebuilding process as soon as this summer -- once they'd waive/stretch Diaw. Then they'd be able to go after two big FA's like Barnes, Whiteside. If they whiff they can sign big 1 year deals to fill out space and wait again to play the FA game next summer.

Shedding 36 million off their books is a huge incentive -- even if they already have cap space.

[cjw]

Chicago got nothing back in return for Rose. They must have been desperate.

He didn't have any value before free agency for a team to clog up cap space with him. I guess Lopez lets them move on from Noah and Gasol.

[r0drig0lac]

Hopefully Rose stays healthy

if they do not stay, they have no more Lopez contract in the books and it only cost a 2nd round pick and Jerian, FA 2017 can make a run in goatbrook and blake..

[r0drig0lac]

it seems that Faried goes to Minnesota

[gambit1990]

please trade parker :depressed

[TXstbobcat]

it seems that Faried goes to Minnesota

Wolves going to trade the #5 pick in the draft for Faried??

[palangi]

All of these dominoes falling seems like it affects the Spurs one way or another :lol (Gasol in this case)

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Why do we hope to stay so old?

[DPG21920]

If GH can net #12 pick, Danny whose just as good (but different) on a great contract can definitely pull a lottery pick if SA so desires.

I hope SA doesn't trade Danny. But if they have a player the love and a plan to pursue serious Free Agents, trading Danny for a lottery pick is def a route. I really hope SA trades Mills/Boris instead

[Hoops Czar]

He didn't have any value before free agency for a team to clog up cap space with him. I guess Lopez lets them move on from Noah and Gasol.

Yeah, this was a straight salary dump. And the same logic should be applied to Tony Parker who's 35 and owed $30M over the next two years. I can't see any team interested in him unless the Spurs eat the majority of his contract, which won't happen. Albeit injury prone, Rose is still only 27 so I'm surprised the Bulls didn't at least request a lottery protected future first round pick.

[mo7888]

With Hill being traded for a #12 pick essentially and Rose and his $20mil contract being moved....there is definitely a market for Boris and/or TP if we want to make that happen...

[TheGreatYacht]

Why do we hope to stay so old?
Gasol > Miles "Bucks reserve" Plumlee

[TheGoldStandard]

If GH can net #12 pick, Danny whose just as good (but different) on a great contract can definitely pull a lottery pick if SA so desires.

I hope SA doesn't trade Danny. But if they have a player the love and a plan to pursue serious Free Agents, trading Danny for a lottery pick is def a route. I really hope SA trades Mills/Boris instead

Spurs will shortly announce they plan to keep Parker for life.. and will offer him a max deal when his current deal expires.

Seriously though, Yes.. it's time to move on from the Diaws and Mills and TP's of the Spurs and get young and build around Kawhi.

[palangi]

Gasol > Miles "Bucks reserve" Plumlee
Just can't help yourself can you? I really affected you. Good to know you're that sensitive?

[Hoops Czar]

Spurs will shortly announce they plan to keep Parker for life.. and will offer him a max deal when his current deal expires.

Seriously though, Yes.. it's time to move on from the Diaws and Mills and TP's of the Spurs and get young and build around Kawhi.

Dany Green shouldn't be excluded from the mix. He's overrated AF.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/745701323740446720

76ers looking for a vet pg. I can think of one that should be available.

[TheGreatYacht]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/745701323740446720

76ers looking for a vet pg. I can think of one that should be available.
Patty?

[DPG21920]

If you're KD do you lead teams on in hopes of them losing players to have a dream of chasing you? He can put teams in a big bind this off season with having to decide on matching contracts.

[DPG21920]

Also with what CHI was able to actually get for Rose, let alone not having to pay to get rid of him, there's a market for TP. However it looks like Manu/Tim may come back so they won't trade TP if that's the case IMO.

[Mnky]

They won't trade Butler

They were willing to for a pick and Wiggins.
They're going to go rebuild if they can.

[Kawhitstorm]

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Parker looking washed and awful per par..yeah, let's run back this thing :rolleyes...

:pop:"He's the head of the snake"

[Kawhitstorm]

Good trade for Chicago.

Bulls fans are MAD they didn't get AT LEAST one lotto pick::lol

[spursistan]

Bulls fans are MAD they didn't get AT LEAST one lotto pick::lol
seriously is Rose better than Parker all things considered?

it just shows there is market for TP if PATFO wants to move him..

[cjw]

Yeah, this was a straight salary dump. And the same logic should be applied to Tony Parker who's 35 and owed $30M over the next two years. I can't see any team interested in him unless the Spurs eat the majority of his contract, which won't happen. Albeit injury prone, Rose is still only 27 so I'm surprised the Bulls didn't at least request a lottery protected future first round pick.

Exactly. While Parker was MUCH better than Rose this past year (Rose was godawful) ... 16.2 vs. 13.5 PER, 55% vs. 48% TS, 3-to-1 vs. 2-to-1 assist to turnover ... it shows there's virtually no market for Parker before free agency. The extra year on his deal makes it bad in particular. Spurs aren't trading him anyway, so let's move on.

If Rose can get more efficient and waste less possessions in Phil's triangle, he could be more playable.

[Mugen]

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A guy can dream....make this team great again #AuRevoirTony2016

[gambit1990]

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A guy can dream....make this team great again #AuRevoirTony2016
:lol :toast

[Robz4000]

Is it too late to tank for Wiggins?

[Mr. Body]

Exactly. While Parker was MUCH better than Rose this past year (Rose was godawful) ... 16.2 vs. 13.5 PER, 55% vs. 48% TS, 3-to-1 vs. 2-to-1 assist to turnover ... it shows there's virtually no market for Parker before free agency. The extra year on his deal makes it bad in particular. Spurs aren't trading him anyway, so let's move on.

If Rose can get more efficient and waste less possessions in Phil's triangle, he could be more playable.

No, it means the Spurs aren't shopping Parker.

[TheGoldStandard]

Spurs keeping Parker in the starting lineup and not going after an athletic PG with size is going to be like having a Ferrari with a Pinto engine

[cjw]

No, it means the Spurs aren't shopping Parker.

Isn't that what I said?

And even if they were, he's got no positive value. People need to stop trying to pawn him off for a first rounder.

[Mr. Body]

Isn't that what I said?

And even if they were, he's got no positive value. People need to stop trying to pawn him off for a first rounder.

There would be a market for Parker but he's not being shopped. A difference in cause/effect.

[cjw]

There would be a market for Parker but he's not being shopped. A difference in cause/effect.

What on earth are you getting for Parker?

I'm not one of the Parker truthers out there who thinks he should be cut. He's fine, but you wouldn't get value for him. It would cost you to move him right now for no salary in return because of how valuable cap space is.

[bklynspursfan]

Spurs keeping Parker in the starting lineup and not going after an athletic PG with size is going to be like having a Ferrari with a Pinto engine

Not really.. He can still run the offense and get guys involved. Getting another big guy and more shooters would be ideal

[gambit1990]

He can still run the offense and get guys involved
:lol yeah, he gets guys involved when he has no option but to pass with a few seconds left on the shot clock.

[HarlemHeat37]

Teams like the Bulls and Hawks are going the correct route by blowing shit up, tbh..Bulls desperately needed to move on from Rose, he's a cancer and an atrocious player..

Hawks just desperately need to shake things up, they are the perfect example of a mid-tier team going nowhere..

[bklynspursfan]

:lol yeah, he gets guys involved when he has no option but to pass with a few seconds left on the shot clock.

Sure, if that's what you want to believe lol

[TheGoldStandard]

Teams like the Bulls and Hawks are going the correct route by blowing shit up, tbh..Bulls desperately needed to move on from Rose, he's a cancer and an atrocious player..

Hawks just desperately need to shake things up, they are the perfect example of a mid-tier team going nowhere..

Bud and the like are no fools. They know they need to do something to capitalize on the strengths that they have.

[HarlemHeat37]

^^Hopefully..I thought they were going to blow it up at the deadline, this past season, yet they decided not to..

Holding on to Horford is the wrong move, though IMO..

[TheGoldStandard]

^^Hopefully..I thought they were going to blow it up at the deadline, this past season, yet they decided not to..

Holding on to Horford is the wrong move, though IMO..

Probably felt they owed it to give it a go during the playoffs and see if they could catch lightning in a bottle. They absolutely need to blow the whole thing up. Shroeder and Bazemore are the only pieces I'd keep plus whatever young rookies the have.

[gambit1990]

Sure, if that's what you want to believe lol
the ball moves better without parker. check your signature.

[bklynspursfan]

the ball moves better without parker. check your signature.

Ah, well that sample size is small. You did see the 2014 finals right? He was involved in plenty of that action

[Kawhitstorm]

seriously is Rose better than Parker all things considered?

it just shows there is market for TP if PATFO wants to move him..

ANALYTICS ART: DERRICK ROSE BOUNCING BACK TO FORM DESPITE BULLS MELTDOWN (http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2016/04/02/analytics-art-derrick-rose-bouncing-back-to-form-despite-bulls-meltdown/)




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[Juan]

Still pretty are Gasol will end up in SA.

[HarlemHeat37]

He didn't have any value before free agency for a team to clog up cap space with him. I guess Lopez lets them move on from Noah and Gasol.
Woj just said there wasn't any market for Rose, at all:lol..he claims the Knicks were bidding against themselves and could have had him for much cheaper..

Doesn't sound good for Parker, a superior player to Rose but much older, of course..

[NASpurs]

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[raybies]

I would take Spencer or lamb for the 22nd.

[Chinook]

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Brooklyn should get on both of these trades. Imagine two picks in the early post-lottery.

[MaNu4Tres]

Brooklyn should get on both of these trades. Imagine two picks in the early post-lottery.

Charlotte offering 22nd pick for contracts of Lamb (3 yr/ 21 mil) or Hawes (2 yr/ 12.3 mil), yet you think Suns AT MOST "might" give up the 28th for 33 yr old Chandler w/ 3 yr 39 million remaining.

Looks like you were wrong, again.

[TheGoldStandard]

I'd take Lamb for the 22nd.. That guy has been on teams that don't know how to maximize talent.

[Chinook]

Charlotte offering 22nd pick for contracts of Lamb (3 yr/ 21 mil) or Hawes (2 yr/ 12.3 mil), yet you think Suns AT MOST "might" give up the 28th for 33 yr old Chandler w/ 3 yr 39 million remaining.

Looks like you were wrong, again.

Charlotte WANTS to move Lamb or Hawes. Phoenix hasn't said anything about moving Chandler. You can't leverage extra value out of someone who doesn't want to deal in the first place.

This constant PMSing is really sad, dude. It's just wall-to-wall butt-hurt from you, 24/7 nowadays.

[TheGoldStandard]

Charlotte WANTS to move Lamb or Hawes. Phoenix hasn't said anything about moving Chandler. You can't leverage extra value out of someone who doesn't want to deal in the first place.

This constant PMSing is really sad, dude. It's just wall-to-wall butt-hurt from you, 24/7 nowadays.

Would you take on Lamb for 22?

[MaNu4Tres]

I'd take Lamb for the 22nd.. That guy has been on teams that don't know how to maximize talent.

Spurs don't need anymore marginal or meh wings. They have those with Anderson/Simmons. No need to clog up that position w/ redundancies.

[Chinook]

Would you take on Lamb for 22?

Not before seeing what Durant wants to do.

[MaNu4Tres]

Charlotte WANTS to move Lamb or Hawes. Phoenix hasn't said anything about moving Chandler. You can't leverage extra value out of someone who doesn't want to deal in the first place.

This constant PMSing is really sad, dude. It's just wall-to-wall butt-hurt from you, 24/7 nowadays.

They value shedding the "dead" salary to create room to use that salary to sign a better player(s).

There's no reason for PHX to hold on to 33 yr old under-performing Tyson Chandler. They'd be able to utilize that 39 million in better ways that correlate with their current situation.

[Chinook]

They value shedding the "dead" salary to create room to use that salary to sign a better player(s).

They do, Phoenix doesn't.


There's no reason for PHX to hold on to 33 yr old under-performing Tyson Chandler. They'd use that 39 million remaining a lot better than 33 yr old Tyson Chandler.

Not really.

[MaNu4Tres]

They do, Phoenix doesn't.



Not really.

You don't know that.

Plus its irrelevant.

The value of a team taking on a 24 year old role player w/ 3 yrs 21 mil remaining or a 28 yr old role player w/ 2 yr/ 12 mil remaining is the 22nd pick. Knowing that information, taking on a 33 yr old overpaid role player w/ 3 yr 39 million has to be better than the 22nd pick -- its common sense. Just admit, you were wrong on the value of taking on 3 yrs. 39 million in salary for a 33 yr old role player.

[NASpurs]

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[elemento]

I wouldn't take on any contracts for picks until KD's decision tbh.

If KD chooses the Spurs we have the best off-season in the NBA, no matter what other teams do.

And yeah, for those who didn't believe that Green couldn't net a lottery pick, just look at the Hill/Teague/12 deal . People overvalue picks and undervalue high impact players who are not stars.

[TheGoldStandard]

Not before seeing what Durant wants to do.

Ugh.. I know.. it hamstrings the flexibility just a bit.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

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[sasaint]

Would you take on Lamb for 22?

In a heart beat. Durant is not coming here.

[NASpurs]

The Suns are always stock piling point guards only to get rid of them later on :lol

[TheGoldStandard]

In a heart beat. Durant is not coming here.

If the Spurs are in true pursuit of Durant it's going to end up hamstringing them in potential youth moment and bench growth. I'd rather have 3 or 4 marginal players on the bench to build around Kawhi then hunting for another superstar which will deplete the bench because of salary.

[Chinook]

Plus its irrelevant.

No. If you don't want to move a player, you aren't going to pay a lot to do it. This should be obvious.

[TheGoldStandard]

The Suns are always stock piling point guards only to get rid of them later on :lol

They have no idea how to run an organization.. They're looking for another Nash

[Chinook]

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Gotta love the Suns, man. They win almost every trade they make, but they still can't build a roster for shit.

[NASpurs]

If the Spurs are in true pursuit of Durant it's going to end up hamstringing them in potential youth moment and bench growth. I'd rather have 3 or 4 marginal players on the bench to build around Kawhi then hunting for another superstar which will deplete the bench because of salary.

Yeah that's where I'm at as well. Putting all your eggs in one basket in the Durant race, seeing as the possibility of him coming here is really low, does put the team on a leash with the things they can or can't do right now. Seems like there are some super desperate teams out there that the Spurs could take advantage of. The Spurs really do need talent all around right now.

[look_at_g_shred]

Yeah that's where I'm at as well. Putting all your eggs in one basket in the Durant race, seeing as the possibility of him coming here is really low, does put the team on a leash with the things they can or can't do right now. Seems like there are some super desperate teams out there that the Spurs could take advantage off right now. The Spurs really do need talent all around right now.
I agree. Make the best team you can right now, and then see what happens next summer with KD if he ends up staying in OKC.

[Chinook]

If the Spurs are in true pursuit of Durant it's going to end up hamstringing them in potential youth moment and bench growth. I'd rather have 3 or 4 marginal players on the bench to build around Kawhi then hunting for another superstar which will deplete the bench because of salary.

It won't deplete the bench anymore that the team should have been depleting it in the first place. Anderson and Green or Anderson, Mills and Boban plus a lottery pick is a great foundation for the second unit.

[sasaint]

If the Spurs are in true pursuit of Durant it's going to end up hamstringing them in potential youth moment and bench growth. I'd rather have 3 or 4 marginal players on the bench to build around Kawhi then hunting for another superstar which will deplete the bench because of salary.

Hopefully 3-4 better-than-marginal players - rotation players, for the cap space that would need to be allocated for Durant.

[venitian navigator]

imho the time for a Durant chance is now...if we can have enough cap space available.
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[TheGoldStandard]

I agree. Make the best team you can right now, and then see what happens next summer with KD if he ends up staying in OKC.

Plus you have to make sure that the Kawhi knows he's the man here if that's who you believe to be the leader of this team going forward. You have to build around him and his strengths. Can't just take Superstars and All Stars and throw them into the starting line up and say, "go play together guys" the bench will be full of scrubs and we will have discussions here when Pop decides to only play Kawhi, Durant and LMA 30 minutes a season and the bench gives up solid leads.

[Keepin' it real]

What if Durant teases but ultimately sabotages the Spurs ala Deandre Jordan with the Mavs? That would suck and could be his way of weakening a top 2 rival. And there's no rule against it.

[bigfan]

I trust Spurs management in that if Durant is taking his sweet time making a decision the Spurs will give him a drop dead date. I'd love to have KD as a Spur but if he is going to flange around its best the Spurs look elsewhere.

[SpursforSix]

What if Durant teases but ultimately sabotages the Spurs ala Deandre Jordan with the Mavs? That would suck and could be his way of weakening a top 2 rival. And there's no rule against it.

Regardless of how he coaches, Pop is too smart to let that happen. Apparently, GSW is at the top of his list if he doesn't stay at OKC. And GSW said they want Durant. So he's not going to be a Spur.

And Durant may be waiting to see what the other teams do in the draft and offseason. Pop isn't going to sacrifice the team by waiting on him.

[RD2191]

Spurs shouldn't even waste their time with KD. He isn't going to leave OKC.

[Mr. Body]

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I feel Hayward had a lot of value in this league, but Utah is on the verge of the playoffs so isn't likely to move him. Meanwhile, Phoenix is a mess. Don't know why they messed with Bledsoe in the first place.

[SAGirl]

I wouldn't take on any contracts for picks until KD's decision tbh.

If KD chooses the Spurs we have the best off-season in the NBA, no matter what other teams do.

And yeah, for those who didn't believe that Green couldn't net a lottery pick, just look at the Hill/Teague/12 deal . People overvalue picks and undervalue high impact players who are not stars.

Agreed + There are trolls that just want to give out players for peanuts bc they don't like them without understanding the impact that player has in our team's wins.

I am paying attention to Minnesota. Thibodeau reportedly wanted Jimmy Butler, but Chicago went the other way.

Minny desperately needs 3pts shooting and perimeter defense and Thibodeau is a defensive coach. I think Danny is in play for the 5th pick. It really depends on whether Minny can get anyone better.

[montgod]

Jake Fischer: The Houston Rockets have called teams gauging interest in Trevor Ariza, Patrick Beverley and K.J. McDaniels, according to a league source.