Official 2016 Spurs Offseason Thread

[ElNono]

Love Manu but at this point in his career, he can't play more than 15 minutes a game with a high likelihood of injury as a 39 year old guard. You can only rely on him as a bench player.

Yeah, I was kidding

[tonight...you]

I have no idea, I don't even keep track. Probably 70% of them are from Game threads...
Lol, I need to get more involved in those, but when I start watching a game- I watch the game.
I tried better during the SL this year, but I still would lose myself for big chunks watching before thinking, Oh shit! I need to check in with the brethren!

This will take some practice...

[cd98]

Yeah, I was kidding

Yeah, I've never seen your takes to be that ridiculous, but there are some people on this thread with that view. Only series where I would ever consider playing him at PG for 20+ minutes would be against the Warriors, but that'd be complete desperation.

[ElNono]

Lol, I need to get more involved in those, but when I start watching a game- I watch the game.
I tried better during the SL this year, but I still would lose myself for big chunks watching before thinking, Oh shit! I need to check in with the brethren!

This will take some practice...

I'm spoiled. By the time we're at game 55 in the regular season, I want the playoffs to start... plenty of time to get distracted. Hopefully we keep that going without Timmy...

[ElNono]

Yeah, I've never seen your takes to be that ridiculous, but there are some people on this thread with that view. Only series where I would ever consider playing him at PG for 20+ minutes would be against the Warriors, but that'd be complete desperation.

They're not moving Tony, so anything that involves that is pretty much moot.

[SAGirl]

What happens when Murray gives the Warriors 9 extra possessions to score because he turns the ball over so much? I like the kid's length, but he's far from a good defender right now. Other than getting lucky gamble steals, I thought he looked quite bad on defense. He has the tools and we may talk about him starting in 3 years, but if he plays significant minutes versus the Warriors, it's bc we're down by 20. He isn't the answer this year.

And if you are gambling on trading away the only PG on your roster with the idea that Slomo will play point guard against the Warriors, then you are quite the risk taker. Pop has not used him in that role despite how helpful it would be if he could play PG, so I think they've seen him in practice and determined he only makes it in the NBA as a stretch 4. We don't know how good/bad he will be this year. But my money is on mixed results, which means I still prefer Parker as the starter unless the Spurs trade for another starting PG. that doesn't look possible right now.
That's what I am saying. I am in favor of taking some risks bc we won't win with same old same old.

[tonight...you]

I'm spoiled. By the time we're at game 55 in the regular season, I want the playoffs to start... plenty of time to get distracted. Hopefully we keep that going without Timmy...
Point taken friend. I hope so too. Then we'll be talking tons of nonsense, waiting for the seedings to be finalized and arguing how GS is going to destroy us because "Fathead" is our weak link along with Parker.
TGFManu!

[tbdog]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zzutxwk

[ElNono]

Yeah, I've never seen your takes to be that ridiculous, but there are some people on this thread with that view. Only series where I would ever consider playing him at PG for 20+ minutes would be against the Warriors, but that'd be complete desperation.

I would add though, that I don't know if the starting unit wouldn't be better served with a lower-key PG. And before I get the angry mob here, this is no knock on Tony. Just saying if we're going to keep playing the ISO-heavy offense of last season, we now have not just Kawhi and LMA, but also potentially Pau... so, you know, I don't know you want to have a guy taking shots away from them.

[raybies]

755531568416890880

Not sure if already posted, but we got him for two years if we keep him.

Edit: I don't know how you let him go, at that price.

[tonight...you]

755531568416890880

Not sure if already posted, but we got him for two years if we keep him.
Que bueno.

[K...]

Guess bertans saw that Parker contract and said, this team won't lowball me if I take less. Nice, thanks Parker for being the guinea pig on the pay less then pay more now scheme. That shows real leadership.

[DenialTwist]

Parker will never be traded for Greg Monroe. The spurs would trade Mills and Green before they ever did that. Unless SloMo and Simmons are on the trading block. Spurs are looking for a third team to trade with since the Spurs don't have anyone the Bucks currently need.

[cd98]

I would add though, that I don't know if the starting unit wouldn't be better served with a lower-key PG. And before I get the angry mob here, this is no knock on Tony. Just saying if we're going to keep playing the ISO-heavy offense of last season, we now have not just Kawhi and LMA, but also potentially Pau... so, you know, I don't know you want to have a guy taking shots away from them.

Parker will have to change his game and only look to score if anyone cheats on him on defense. But leading the team, initiating the offense, game management, etc, I only trust he and Manu to make the right plays with this roster, even though neither can do it like they used to do.

[Leetonidas]

Philly wants to trade a young big, kings wanna trade Gay, bucks wanna trade monroe...Any ideas? :lol

[montgod]

Philly wants to trade a young big, kings wanna trade Gay, bucks wanna trade monroe...Any ideas? :lol

SAC wants to trade Koufas as well

[tonight...you]

Philly wants to trade a young big, kings wanna trade Gay, bucks wanna trade monroe...Any ideas? :lol
Vlade's the Billy King of the current NBA.
I'd try aggressively to fleece that punk.

Put him on the cigarette of the month club.

[GSH]

Philly wants to trade a young big, kings wanna trade Gay, bucks wanna trade monroe...Any ideas? :lol


I think it's kind of funny that the team that says they would be interested in facilitating a Monroe trade is Philly. And they're trying to get rid of a young big of their own.

I haven't even tried to step through any scenarios or salary numbers. But off the top of my head I guess it sounds like part of what Milwaukee would get back would be one of Philly's young bigs? Philly would be looking for picks (as if they haven't stockpiled enough lately.) The Spurs could re-sign Bonner using his Bird rights, to come up with some of the salary fodder for the trade - whichever team got him would just waive him. (He would have to agree with any trade if it's a 1-year deal, and it would be.)

[Seventyniner]

Tony has outlived his usefulness and effectiveness. It's been mentioned ad nauseam, but its true. He had some very good years but he is no longer good at breaking down defenses by driving in to the lane. He seldom beats defenders off the dribble and is a liability on defense. All of which would be fine if he could somehow score by hitting his jumper consistently. We all know that isn't going to happen.

You're wrong about this part.

http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/pullup/?sort=PULL_UP_EFG_PCT&dir=1&CF=PULL_UP_FGA*GE*3%7CGP*GE*30&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

(http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/pullup/?sort=PULL_UP_EFG_PCT&dir=1&CF=PULL_UP_FGA*GE*3%7CGP*GE*30&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)This is a list of players' effective FG% (eFG%) on pull-up jumpers taken after at least one dribble and outside 10 feet. I filtered the results for players that played at least 30 games and took at least 3 of these pull-up jumpers per game. Out of the 89 players that fit these criteria, Tony Parker was 18th in eFG% (45.2%) and 8th in raw FG% (44.3%).

Parker has plenty of weaknesses in his game now, but pull-up jumpers are a strength. Zach Lowe has called Parker an elite mid-range shooter for years now. Parker's signature for years was finishing at the rim at a very high clip, but now that he can't quite do that anymore, he relies on pull-up jumpers.

Tony's eFG%/FG% numbers for the two previous seasons are remarkably similar btw.

[tonight...you]

I think it's kind of funny that the team that says they would be interested in facilitating a Monroe trade is Philly. And they're trying to get rid of a young big of their own.

I haven't even tried to step through any scenarios or salary numbers. But off the top of my head I guess it sounds like part of what Milwaukee would get back would be one of Philly's young bigs? Philly would be looking for picks (as if they haven't stockpiled enough lately.) The Spurs could re-sign Bonner using his Bird rights, to come up with some of the salary fodder for the trade - whichever team got him would just waive him. (He would have to agree with any trade if it's a 1-year deal, and it would be.)
Nice. That's some aggressive thinking right there.

[montgod]

Nice. That's some aggressive thinking right there.

Interesting indeed. Not like Bonner would balk because it's free money in his pocket to do nothing since Bucks, Philly...whoever would cut him immediately after trade.

[spurtech09]

Philly wants to trade a young big, kings wanna trade Gay, bucks wanna trade monroe...Any ideas? :lolMan it would be nice if Spurs could get Rudy Gay..

[tonight...you]

Interesting indeed. Not like Bonner would balk because it's free money in his pocket to do nothing since Bucks, Philly...whoever would cut him immediately after trade. GSH has something here. Something that could benefit all parties... Shoot. The guy's getting me worked up on this one.

[Seventyniner]

I think it's kind of funny that the team that says they would be interested in facilitating a Monroe trade is Philly. And they're trying to get rid of a young big of their own.

I haven't even tried to step through any scenarios or salary numbers. But off the top of my head I guess it sounds like part of what Milwaukee would get back would be one of Philly's young bigs? Philly would be looking for picks (as if they haven't stockpiled enough lately.) The Spurs could re-sign Bonner using his Bird rights, to come up with some of the salary fodder for the trade - whichever team got him would just waive him. (He would have to agree with any trade if it's a 1-year deal, and it would be.)

Philly would facilitate a three-team deal involving Monroe for the same reason they ever facilitate any deal: to get extra assets in the process. They wouldn't want Monroe themselves.

I think it would mean that Milwaukee would want to salary-dump Monroe, a third team would trade a guard or wing or multiple players to get within Monroe's salary, and Philly would take said guard/wing(s) and a pick if those players don't include a good young prospect.

[tonight...you]

Philly would facilitate a three-team deal involving Monroe for the same reason they ever facilitate any deal: to get extra assets in the process. They wouldn't want Monroe themselves.

I think it would mean that Milwaukee would want to salary-dump Monroe, a third team would trade a guard or wing or multiple players to get within Monroe's salary, and Philly would take said guard/wing(s) and a pick if those players don't include a good young prospect.
Hinkie's no longer the GM bruddah.
Colangelo now is. They're thought process is not what they were.

[gambit1990]

i would be ecstatic if we traded parker. won't hold my breath though.

[DPG21920]

TP is not being traded unless he requests it.

[Seventyniner]

Hinkie's no longer the GM bruddah.
Colangelo now is. They're thought process is not what they were.

Fair enough. But they still wouldn't want Monroe when they're already looking to move a big or two. Maybe they would want someone like Rudy Gay, volume scorer on a midsize contract. A move that makes lip service to winning now.

[GSH]

Philly would facilitate a three-team deal involving Monroe for the same reason they ever facilitate any deal: to get extra assets in the process. They wouldn't want Monroe themselves.

I think it would mean that Milwaukee would want to salary-dump Monroe, a third team would trade a guard or wing or multiple players to get within Monroe's salary, and Philly would take said guard/wing(s) and a pick if those players don't include a good young prospect.


Well, yeah, the whole point was that the Spurs get Monroe. My point was that Philly would be helping someone get rid of a young big, when they are also trying to get rid of a young big. So I'm thinking that they would like to get both things done in one move, if they can get what they want. What they have wanted most for several years has been draft picks. I don't know if the Bucks would want a lower-priced young (who "fits in") as part of the return, but it makes sense to me.

Damn, I still don't see how the Spurs could get to $17M without trading Parker or Green. I don't see them trading Parker without him approving it, and I hate to think that they would trade Green for this deal - especially Green plus picks. Hell, the first team defense would really take a hit.

[raybies]

I actually like the Bonner idea. Hasnt he already been renounced though?

[tonight...you]

I actually like the Bonner idea. Hasnt he already been renounced though?
It's a damn good idea. I don't think he's been renounced.

[GSH]

I actually like the Bonner idea. Hasnt he already been renounced though?



LOL. Could be. I can't keep up with all this shit anymore. I used to breathe it, but I'm just there anymore. I was just looking for any possible way of the Spurs coming up with $17M worth of assets that wouldn't crush the roster.

[SAGirl]

That team will be dead in the water by the playoffs unless someone is spelling Manu for a hell of a lot of minutes in both the RS and the playoffs.
And the guy with the 9 TO was Simmons... Dejounte won a game he was featured in with 9 assists.

[raybies]

Reasons I like the Monroe potential trade
1. Gives us a young big to build with.
2. Ensures we get a quality player while staying out of the money race with other teams next year.
3. Immediately gives us a sixth man of the year potential player.
4. Can play big minutes and sub in for rest days.
5. Can play big vs the warriors at all times without taxing players with minutes.

There reasons not to want him are a real concern though, but mainly on defense. Spurs turned Aldridge into a decent defender and maybe they feel they can do the same with Monroe.

Personally, I would stay out of the Westbrook race, we would have to give up alot to get him and we would sacrifice our culture for him. I don't think patfos first option is to go after Westbrook or any other point guard if you ask me. My gut feeling is that pop wants Tony and he's old enough to not care if they win or not. He's gonna ride with his guys even if they aren't what they use to be. Manu has one year and he's done. Tony has a few more and he's done and I'm sure if pop isn't gone by then he'll go out with Tony. So my inclination is that they don't want to pursue max players next year and they are fine with Tony and letting Murray develop. After Durant pop might be done recruiting those kinds of players.

More on Monroe, you also get insurance if Pau leaves and can then go after someone like a George hill who would be a better fit.

[tonight...you]

And the guy with the 9 TO was Simmons... Dejounte won a game he was featured in with 9 assists.
Are you arguing something with me? I mentioned nothing about Simmons, or Dijon. Did I? Shit... maybe I did.
Remind me, would you?

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

If it costs us a chance at Chris Paul next off season then no way...

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

Still hopeful that the Spurs will make the sound decision of getting Thomas Robinson signed for a minimum deal...

[SAGirl]

755531568416890880

Not sure if already posted, but we got him for two years if we keep him.

Edit: I don't know how you let him go, at that price.
:flag:

[cd98]

And the guy with the 9 TO was Simmons... Dejounte won a game he was featured in with 9 assists.
Ok so go on the record. Do you think Murray won't be turnover prone next year if he stays on the Spurs roster?

[tonight...you]

And the guy with the 9 TO was Simmons... Dejounte won a game he was featured in with 9 assists.
Lol, now that I re-read the post, maybe you're agreeing with me in that there's nobody to backup Manu.
Good show! I'm Slo-Mo!

[tonight...you]

Ok so go on the record. Do you think Murray won't be turnover probe next year if he stays on the Spurs roster?
I could get behind a Murray getting major minutes this year and the next, if Pop decides it.
He put Parker there back in the day and c'mon, back then, everyone hoped about him, but nobody knew about him and Pop was initially unimpressed and had to be talked into him.

I won't commit Hari Kari (sp?) over anything the team does this year and if they go kind of crazy... Go For It!

The Times, they are a changin'!

[SAGirl]

Are you arguing something with me? I mentioned nothing about Simmons, or Dijon. Did I? Shit... maybe I did.
Remind me, would you?
Long winded chat, nvm i meant to reply to someone who was mentioning 9 TO in a summer league game that it was Simmons not Dijon... Dijon had a 9 assist game. If it wasn't you nvm lol

[tonight...you]

Long winded chat, nvm i meant to reply to someone who was mentioning 9 TO in a summer league game that it was Simmons not Dijon... Dijon had a 9 assist game. If it wasn't you nvm lol
Not a worry, I was able to spin it in my head that you were on my side on whatever I was espousing about (I already forgot...).

[cd98]

I could get behind a Murray getting major minutes this year and the next, if Pop decides it.
He put Parker there back in the day and c'mon, back then, everyone hoped about him, but nobody knew about him and Pop was initially unimpressed and had to be talked into him.

I won't commit Hari Kari (sp?) over anything the team does this year and if they go kind of crazy... Go For It!

The Times, they are a changin'!

When Parker was 19, the Spurs were starting 39 year old Terry Porter. The switch was a no brainer, Porter could barely move. But there is no reason to start Murray if Parker is on the roster bc Parker is better than Murray. And Parker was only a distributor when he came in. He hardly ever shot the ball. I don't think Murray is in that mode at all. He's shoot first. 19 year old Parker was not.

[tonight...you]

When Parker was 19, the Spurs were starting 39 year old Terry Porter. The switch was a no brainer, Porter could barely move. But there is no reason to start Murray if Parker is on the roster bc Parker is better than Murray. And Parker was only a distributor when he came in. He hardly ever shot the ball. I don't think Murray is in that mode at all. He's shoot first. 19 year old Parker was not.
They were starting Antonio Daniels. Were you a fan then?

[apalisoc_9]

I want parker traded but no way would I want him traded of the plan was to give murry mpre minutes. Groce. :lol

[cd98]

Long winded chat, nvm i meant to reply to someone who was mentioning 9 TO in a summer league game that it was Simmons not Dijon... Dijon had a 9 assist game. If it wasn't you nvm lol

Murray threw away the ball a lot in summer league. So did Simmons. Not 25 year old Manu turnovers that are aggressive turnovers. Instead those two had careless turnovers. They aren't ready to run the Spurs against other teams' starting point guards.

[tholdren]

Murray threw away the ball a lot in summer league. So did Simmons. Not 25 year old Manu turnovers that are aggressive turnovers. Instead those two had careless turnovers. They aren't ready to run the Spurs against other teams' starting point guards.
Murray isn't a pg, which is why he TOS it with ignorance. He's an attacker that coaches told to drive to the rim and everyone else to get out of the way. His vision is terrible. I would look for him to be the manu replacement over the tony replacement.

[Leetonidas]

Murray isn't a pg, which is why he TOS it with ignorance. He's an attacker that coaches told to drive to the rim and everyone else to get out of the way. His vision is terrible. I would look for him to be the manu replacement over the tony replacement.

lolwut

[cd98]

They were starting Antonio Daniels. Were you a fan then?

Yes. Spurs soured on Daniels , tried Porter, and then went to Parker. He was better than the other two. Murray isn't better than Parker. He will be in two years, hopefully, but not now.

[tholdren]

lolwut
Murray is what Spurs need from a SG standpoint versus PG. He's a terrible passer, and shitty court vision. This is most likely due to coaches just letting him try to do the layup drill for the whole game.

You follow?

[SAGirl]

Ok so go on the record. Do you think Murray won't be turnover prone next year if he stays on the Spurs roster?
Maybe but it will be minimized by him mostly playing off the ball, which is what the Spurs want Tony to do right now. It also includes him improving defensively to provide energy plays and better defense with his physical tools than Tony does, that will provide some rest to Kawhi who won't have to worry about Tony's defensive assignments having to be guarded by others, as well as Tony having to hide on the lowest offensive threats. And no one who guards Dejounte will rest off the ball. The guy is incredibly quick and explosive.
We get a leg up on his development. Tony won't remain the starter even if these ridiculous trade ideas don't come to pass. Sooner or later he will go to the bench, and depending on his injuries, state after the olympics and Dejounte himself it might be sooner rather than later, we don't know.. but its not as ridiculous to consider as you make it seem.

[cd98]

Murray isn't a pg, which is why he TOS it with ignorance. He's an attacker that coaches told to drive to the rim and everyone else to get out of the way. His vision is terrible. I would look for him to be the manu replacement over the tony replacement.

He played one in college. He's not a traditional one, but he could be one similar to Ron Harper in those Bull lineups. I think they think he can have that role. He won't be Steve Nash but even with his turnovers, he did make some nice passes. He's definitely shoot first though.

[tholdren]

Yes. Spurs soured on Daniels , tried Porter, and then went to Parker. He was better than the other two. Murray isn't better than Parker. He will be in two years, hopefully, but not now.
I really don't think he will be close to parker. Parkers ability to finish around the rim and get there with speed was uncanny. Murray is just a slop player who throws up garbage at the rim. I like his attacking, but man its hard to watch.

[cd98]

Maybe but it will be minimized by him mostly playing off the ball, which is what the Spurs want Tony to do right now. It also includes him improving defensively to provide energy plays and better defense with his physical tools than Tony does, that will provide some rest to Kawhi who won't have to worry about Tony's defensive assignments having to be guarded by others, as well as Tony having to hide on the lowest offensive threats. And no one who guards Dejounte will rest off the ball. The guy is incredibly quick and explosive.
We get a leg up on his development. Tony won't remain the starter even if these ridiculous trade ideas don't come to pass. Sooner or later he will go to the bench, and depending on his injuries, state after the olympics and Dejounte himself it might be sooner rather than later, we don't know.. but its not as ridiculous to consider as you make it seem.

Murray doesn't play NBA level defense. And sometimes you have to make plays and Parker can still do that, just not at an elite level. Murray may do it in garbage time, but he'll turn the ball over in prime time. He's not ready.

[SAGirl]

Personally, I would stay out of the Westbrook race, we would have to give up alot to get him and we would sacrifice our culture for him. I don't think patfos first option is to go after Westbrook or any other point guard if you ask me. My gut feeling is that pop wants Tony and he's old enough to not care if they win or not. He's gonna ride with his guys even if they aren't what they use to be. Manu has one year and he's done. Tony has a few more and he's done and I'm sure if pop isn't gone by then he'll go out with Tony. So my inclination is that they don't want to pursue max players next year and they are fine with Tony and letting Murray develop. After Durant pop might be done recruiting those kinds of players.

More on Monroe, you also get insurance if Pau leaves and can then go after someone like a George hill who would be a better fit.
That's pathetic! Frankly a Pop with no fire like that should get the boot! Let Becky coach!
I do think like you that they are onto Dejounte. Even as raw as he is, they have made some hype about him wanting to be like Kawhi and emphasizing that he's coachable and that they expect good things from him. If Murray is the way to go, I'd rather he get the Tony yell treatment than indifference from Pop in the dleague while we watch same old dribble dribble.
YOu know what?
It may sound like I am too harsh on Tony and I want to get off this anti-Tony wagon. It's not that. I just don't think Tony is a championship level PG at this point and it's time to move on and get a leg up on whatever is the next thing, but I bet Pop won't he will want Dejounte to learn the Spurs way by getting over himself for an entire season, then next season start with the experiments with him.... that's the complacent Pop we know.

[SAGirl]

Murray doesn't play NBA level defense. And sometimes you have to make plays and Parker can still do that, just not at an elite level. Murray may do it in garbage time, but he'll turn the ball over in prime time. He's not ready. He doesn't right now bc he's a rookie, but Tony was the same at one point.

[tholdren]

He played one in college. He's not a traditional one, but he could be one similar to Ron Harper in those Bull lineups. I think they think he can have that role. He won't be Steve Nash but even with his turnovers, he did make some nice passes. He's definitely shoot first though.
Thats a good call - similar to Ron in hs and college.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski Verified account ‏@WojVerticalNBA (https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA) San Antonio is hiring well-regarded Detroit executive Brian Wright as assistant general manager, league sources tell @TheVertical (https://twitter.com/TheVertical).

[Keepin' it real]

I'd rather watch a Kawhi, Green, Bertans, LMA, and Monroe lineup than a lineup with Parker in it.

So you want the Spurs to make roster decisions based on what you'd rather watch?? I think not.

[tonight...you]

So you want the Spurs to make roster decisions based on what you'd rather watch?? I think not.
GM's work differently than posters, i.e. fans.
No stress, friend.

[SAGirl]

I could get behind a Murray getting major minutes this year and the next, if Pop decides it.
He put Parker there back in the day and c'mon, back then, everyone hoped about him, but nobody knew about him and Pop was initially unimpressed and had to be talked into him.

I won't commit Hari Kari (sp?) over anything the team does this year and if they go kind of crazy... Go For It!

The Times, they are a changin'!
Don't know what Hari Kari is... but it's time to experiment a little. POp won't though.. that post from raybies about Pop staying complacent has me all down on this season all of a sudden.

[montgod]

Adrian Wojnarowski Verified account ‏@WojVerticalNBA (https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA) San Antonio is hiring well-regarded Detroit executive Brian Wright as assistant general manager, league sources tell @TheVertical (https://twitter.com/TheVertical).

About time they take someone back from Detroit although we should probably thank them for taking Barnes. Maybe opens up to possible trade options as well?

[tonight...you]

Don't know what Hari Kari is... but it's time to experiment a little. POp won't though.. that post from raybies (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=42684) about Pop staying complacent has me all down on this season all of a sudden.
Yeah, I posted a bit ago that I wouldn't be upset with giving Murray time, if Pop thought it was worth pursuing.
He believed in a 19 year old, after having to be talked into him by a certain RC before...

And I'm sure I misspelled Hari Kari, but it's Japanese ritual suicide.

[raybies]

Don't know what Hari Kari is... but it's time to experiment a little. POp won't though.. that post from raybies about Pop staying complacent has me all down on this season all of a sudden.

Sorry, may be completely off. It's just when pop said he's tired of coaching, not sure if he's joking or if he really means it.

[tonight...you]

About time they take someone back from Detroit although we should probably thank them for taking Barnes. Maybe opens up to possible trade options as well?
Good point. RC likes to make inroads with everybody. He's a sly emmer effer.

[objective]

Yes. Spurs soured on Daniels , tried Porter, and then went to Parker. He was better than the other two. Murray isn't better than Parker. He will be in two years, hopefully, but not now.

Huh?

Porter started zero games that year. Daniela started games 1-4, then Parker started game 5. Even in the first game, Porter and Parker played equal minutes off the bench.

[SAGirl]

Sorry, may be completely off. It's just when pop said he's tired of coaching, not sure if he's joking or if he really means it.
His actions will speak louder than words this season. Something to watch out for, aside from the youngsters, is Pop's schemes and his coaching. He might be grieving Tim the entire season. It could go downhill if Pop doesn't have it anymore.
I will root and cheer for the team no matter what, but I am much less enthused.

[raybies]

His actions will speak louder than words this season. Something to watch out for, aside from the youngsters, is Pop's schemes and his coaching. He might be grieving Tim the entire season. It could go downhill if Pop doesn't have it anymore.
I will root and cheer for the team no matter what, but I am much less enthused.

Kyle's gonna play big minutes. He has a shot to make a name for himself. Kyle, Kyle, KYLE!!!

[SpursFan86]

Sorry, but you're delusional if you think there's even a remotely decent chance Parker gets traded. There's no point in even discussing the pros/cons of it. It's not happening.

[GSH]

Maybe but it will be minimized by him mostly playing off the ball, which is what the Spurs want Tony to do right now. It also includes him improving defensively to provide energy plays and better defense with his physical tools than Tony does, that will provide some rest to Kawhi who won't have to worry about Tony's defensive assignments having to be guarded by others, as well as Tony having to hide on the lowest offensive threats. And no one who guards Dejounte will rest off the ball. The guy is incredibly quick and explosive.


Some people swear that point guards are born, and not made. I don't know if that's true, but I'm pretty sure you don't learn how to run the point if you're being played as a shooting guard. I hope that whether it's in garbage time, or in Austin, the Spurs stick Murry at the point and just wear his ass out, to see where he can go with it. Given what we know about Pop, Murray isn't likely to see much daylight in the playoffs. So his job this season is to learn - and he might as well be learning PG skills.

I totally agree with you that the best thing he could do for himself is to focus on learning to play defense the right way. I don't know how much he knows about the Spurs, but hopefully some of the older players will convince him of that. If he really, really blossomed on the defensive end, it would be the one situation where I wouldn't mind seeing him be moved to the 2. A good perimeter defender who can drive and score? That's a bankable package. The Spurs could go look for a backup PG elsewhere.

I saw enough in that last SL game to be hopeful for him. He's not an NBA-ready, lottery pick type, but he'd stand a chance of playing on some lesser teams. Pretty sure the Spurs won't be looking for anything but development from him this season.

[SAGirl]

Kyle's gonna play big minutes. He has a shot to make a name for himself. Kyle, Kyle, KYLE!!!
:flag::lmao
Well I do have SOMEONE to cheer for lol
Damn I need a SlowMo Icon. Boris with that wine is not the same!!!!
I am going to have to hide this season... I have created a monster and it's now larger than life here. :lol

[SAGirl]

Some people swear that point guards are born, and not made. I don't know if that's true, but I'm pretty sure you don't learn how to run the point if you're being played as a shooting guard. I hope that whether it's in garbage time, or in Austin, the Spurs stick Murry at the point and just wear his ass out, to see where he can go with it. Given what we know about Pop, Murray isn't likely to see much daylight in the playoffs. So his job this season is to learn - and he might as well be learning PG skills.

I totally agree with you that the best thing he could do for himself is to focus on learning to play defense the right way. I don't know how much he knows about the Spurs, but hopefully some of the older players will convince him of that. If he really, really blossomed on the defensive end, it would be the one situation where I wouldn't mind seeing him be moved to the 2. A good perimeter defender who can drive and score? That's a bankable package. The Spurs could go look for a backup PG elsewhere.

I saw enough in that last SL game to be hopeful for him. He's not an NBA-ready, lottery pick type, but he'd stand a chance of playing on some lesser teams. Pretty sure the Spurs won't be looking for anything but development from him this season.
I believe in Murray for two reasons:
1.) he's young. We are not talking about an old dog who won't change his ways. He made a lot of energy plays, he tried. You don't get rebounds and steals with no effort. He just doesn't have the discipline, etc. But he has tools, definitely has the tools to be good.
2.) he's in an environment that encourages personal effort. Now I am going to gush about Kyle and Danny, so you can skip if you don't want to read but its short, I promise: he improved dramatically from year one to year two. If he can improve, so can Murray. Murray has the same physical length in proportion as Kawhi and Kyle and he's quick as a cat. One interview I read in SAexpress news was that at one point DAnny was staying after practice to help Kyle with his defense. (By the way that shows leadership, for anyone wondering about young spurs leadership) I think within the young guys they can help him out. I would rather he stay with the team... but I guess it's entirely possible that he's too raw and Tony not so washed up that they can spare him his rookie season so he can work on his shots and become a better version of himself.

I can entirely get behind that. I am sure he would still play bc Tony and Manu being that old, he will be fed minutes at some point (injuries and rest).

[timtonymanu]

Sorry, but you're delusional if you think there's even a remotely decent chance Parker gets traded. There's no point in even discussing the pros/cons of it. It's not happening.

[GSH]

2.) he's in an environment that encourages personal effort. Now I am going to gush about Kyle and Danny


:lol My favorite post of the night. Relentless and shameless - not even a segue. It just doesn't get any better than that.

[SAGirl]

:lol My favorite post of the night. Relentless and shameless - not even a segue. It just doesn't get any better than that.
:lol I have to find joy in something this season:lmao

[raybies]

:lol My favorite post of the night. Relentless and shameless - not even a segue. It just doesn't get any better than that.

I know, I can't believe it sometimes but at least she's consistent :)

[GSH]

I'm not a big fan of Hoopshype, and some of this article is pretty obvious stuff. But it still is a pretty good look at this year's offseason madness. http://hoopshype.com/2016/07/19/top-takeaways-from-free-agency-2016/

The first couple of paragraphs:

Just the opening minutes of free agency are a rather hilarious farce. By 12.30 on the night of the start of free agency, Adrian Wojnarowski of The Vertical had reported a four-year, $64 million agreement between the Lakers and Timofey Mozgov. By the NBA’s rules in the Collective Bargaining Agreement, free agents aren’t allowed to meet with teams before midnight on the start of free agency, and unless the Lakers miraculously negotiated a $64 million contract in the span of a short coffee break, it’s clear that everyone is ignoring the rules.

Joakim Noah‘s four-year, $72 million deal with the Knicks was public knowledge about two full days before July 1, which was also a wonderful and giant middle finger to the NBA’s tampering rules.

[SAGirl]

^^^ wow thanks for sharing that. What a farce. I wonder about Durant but water under the bridge this is not our year. Between a lot of young players getting their first taste of NBA action, to possible sophomore and juniors playing more minutes, to Pau and Pop's experiments with the bench, to the grief and transition from Timmy, this is probably the real transition year that last season it felt like it was, but not quite. Still what a farce!

[Brian Windhorst]

He may be overpaid but he's not terrible.. He's a legit 16 & 10 guy and those #'s would likely go up with the Spurs.

Two middling, non-playoff teams have sought to ship him out at the first possible opportunity. He's literally Rudy Gay: The Center. Can't defend, is a cancerous presence, and doesn't score efficiently enough to mitigate the first two. He's overpaid AND overrated, a rare combination.

I get it. If you give him the ball in the lane twelve times a game he'll get his 18. And he'll get his rebounds. But he's selfish, doesn't defend the rim, doesn't play team defense, won't be happy with any role but a starter, and doesn't do anything for your offense other than give you a threat on the block.

He's an albatross.

[kxs783kms]

Deserves it's own thread mate. I saw that to and thought it'd be awesome. People whine about his lack of D but that'd change here. And if you can get a guy that puts up 15 and 9 or whatever then you try get him. I wonder if the Diaw move has something to do with this.

Gasol
Aldridge
Monroe
Dedmon

Is a formidable and legit big rotation. Would have gone from having a shitty/missing front court to extremely talented and 4 deep. Lack of stretch big men but I've heard Bertans can shoot the 3 well and could play a stretch PF, also I shudder to say Anderson may see some time at PF, and Bonner who we all know is never leaving. It's interesting for sure. And as with most, I'm sure Monroe would try harder on D being in the Spurs culture and playing for his first and only championship contender.

Well stated. Just look back to what they were saying about LMA defense and how it would hurt us. He turned out doing a lot better than what many expected. I agree with you, you don't pass up on a big like Monroe who's very talented in the post area.

[Chinook]

Again, it wouldn't shock me for Monroe and MKE to agree to a buyout pretty soon and him ending up on GS.

[tholdren]

Again, it wouldn't shock me for Monroe and MKE to agree to a buyout pretty soon and him ending up on GS.
Why would Bucks buyout and not facilitate trade with multiple teams?

[raybies]

755752323213844480

Some useful info

[spurs10]

Again, it wouldn't shock me for Monroe and MKE to agree to a buyout pretty soon and him ending up on GS.
The "it wouldn't shock me" part is telling. You are right.

[K...]

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cn0vCC3WEAA_rKH.jpg

Mr 14 million man

[tholdren]

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cn0vCC3WEAA_rKH.jpg

Mr 14 million man
he bought the grand canyon?

[SAGirl]

Spectacular picture though.

[apalisoc_9]

755752323213844480

Some useful info

Surprised Utah is holding into that 10m cobsidering their compete now approach.

[DPG21920]

Surprised Utah is holding into that 10m cobsidering their compete now approach.

It's smart to hold onto the cap space vs just give it away. It allows you to claim waived players, trade mid-season and possibly acquire first round picks (by taking someone off another teams books) despite the fact you are a playoff team.

[ceperez]

It's smart to hold onto the cap space vs just give it away. It allows you to claim waived players, trade mid-season and possibly acquire first round picks (by taking someone off another teams books) despite the fact you are a playoff team.

Utah now with Bobo and Hill look like a competitive team. They just don't have that superstar scorer, but otherwise they are a team with good balance.

[ducks]

who can they get for 10 million given the fact manu got 14 and jr smith wants 15?

[Emperor]

Again, it wouldn't shock me for Monroe and MKE to agree to a buyout pretty soon and him ending up on GS.

Do not say such frightening things.

[ElNono]

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cn0vCC3WEAA_rKH.jpg

Mr 14 million man

Good to see Delfino there, tbh... rooting for him...

[palangi]

Utah now with Bobo and Hill look like a competitive team. They just don't have that superstar scorer, but otherwise they are a team with good balance.
They also have Joe Johnson

[timtonymanu]

Having BoBo and Georgie on the Jazz could be good to convince their teammates to sign with us in the future. Gobert :stirpot:

[objective]

I've seen speculation that Utah is hoping to use that remaining 10 million to renegotiate & extend either Favors or Hill

[CGD]

755752323213844480

Some useful info

Someone is going to throw Waiters big money. Utah is going to renegotiate and extend Favors with their cash.

[BillMc]

he bought the grand canyon?
:lol

Thanks for that. For some reason that made me laugh out loud.

[tonight...you]

:lol

Thanks for that. For some reason that made me laugh out loud.
Dude, you going to hit that Rifftrax show in August? I'm totally geeking out over it.
There's a theater a couple miles from my place simulcasting it.

[BillMc]

Dude, you going to hit that Rifftrax show in August? I'm totally geeking out over it.
There's a theater a couple miles from my place simulcasting it.

If its online, definitely. But can't see it in theaters as I'm in Ukraine this summer.

[Chinook]

Has this come up yet?


Adam Joseph‏@AdamJosephSport (https://twitter.com/AdamJosephSport)

per sources, Presti discussed Westbrook deals with several different teams (inc. SAS, MIL, LAL, BOS), but no middle ground was found.

No? I hope it stays that way.

[K...]

Has this come up yet?


Adam Joseph‏@AdamJosephSport (https://twitter.com/AdamJosephSport)

per sources, Presti discussed Westbrook deals with several different teams (inc. SAS, MIL, LAL, BOS), but no middle ground was found.

No? I hope it stays that way.


So does that mean presti accepted our deal? But Westbrook didn't...

The way I see it, Westbrook has zero incentive to accept a trade/sign an extension unless he really wants out now.

[Chinook]

So does that mean presti accepted our deal? But Westbrook didn't...

The way I see it, Westbrook has zero incentive to accept a trade/sign an extension unless he really wants out now.

Anyone trying to get Westbrook to sign an extension is just an idiot. It's not in the cards for him, and that has nothing to do with him being a selfish player. Of course, him agreeing to sign an extension, despite how disadvantageous it is for him financially, would give him a ton of leverage in trade negotiations.

Anyway, no, I think Presti wants Kawhi for Westbrook, which is an obvious non-starter. I doubt he'd even take LMA, though a three-team trade could probably swing enough value to get OKC interested. But then, the Spurs would balk, because the point of getting Russ would be to make a new Big Three, not to break up the top two (and more) to get a guy who's already shown he can't win a title as a top-two option.

[Mr. Body]

Has this come up yet?


Adam Joseph‏@AdamJosephSport (https://twitter.com/AdamJosephSport)

per sources, Presti discussed Westbrook deals with several different teams (inc. SAS, MIL, LAL, BOS), but no middle ground was found.

No? I hope it stays that way.


I read that as saying OKC is still asking for too much and teams aren't biting. Thunder are facing ownership and fanbase unhappiness if they get little in return for losing both Durant and Westbrook.

[jyra]

A couple more tweets for clarification:

Adam Joseph ‏@AdamJosephSport (https://twitter.com/AdamJosephSport) 11 Std.Vor 11 Stunden (https://twitter.com/AdamJosephSport/status/755956919651577856)
Adam Joseph hat Adam Joseph retweetet
in exploratory discussions with SAS, w/o significant assets sources say Kawhi was the asking price = unrealistic.


Adam Joseph ‏@AdamJosephSport (https://twitter.com/AdamJosephSport) 42 Min.Vor 42 Minuten (https://twitter.com/AdamJosephSport/status/756118680182804480)
Adam Joseph hat Adam Joseph retweetet
Relaying everything I heard. All teams thus far unwilling to meet high asking price. Normal in early negotiations.

[K...]

Holy shit, presti is too smart to think S.A. Trades them kawhi.

I have to imagine this is just a feint to get Westbrook to disclose his approved teams.

[Mr. Body]

Holy shit, presti is too smart to think S.A. Trades them kawhi.

I have to imagine this is just a feint to get Westbrook to disclose his approved teams.

Read above. Presti and the team will get pilloried if they don't appear to have tried for as much talent as possible, which they otherwise know they won't get.

[Chinook]

A couple more tweets for clarification:

Adam Joseph ‏@AdamJosephSport (https://twitter.com/AdamJosephSport) 11 Std.Vor 11 Stunden (https://twitter.com/AdamJosephSport/status/755956919651577856)
Adam Joseph hat Adam Joseph retweetet
in exploratory discussions with SAS, w/o significant assets sources say Kawhi was the asking price = unrealistic.


Adam Joseph ‏@AdamJosephSport (https://twitter.com/AdamJosephSport) 42 Min.Vor 42 Minuten (https://twitter.com/AdamJosephSport/status/756118680182804480)
Adam Joseph hat Adam Joseph retweetet
Relaying everything I heard. All teams thus far unwilling to meet high asking price. Normal in early negotiations.



Yeah, thanks. That confirms what I said above. My guess is that the Spurs are willing to move Green, Mills, Anderson/Murray and two firsts for Westbrook. I'd really like Parker to be part of the package instead of Green for numerous reasons, but it is what it is. That seems similar though still superior to what Memphis got for Gasol, so there's precedent there. I doubt that's the best package, but if the Spurs are willing to do that without an extension, I think it might be the one OKC is forced to go with.

[Mr. Body]

This is like a Dutch auction, where the auctioneer starts at a high number and goes down until someone is finally willing to bid and take the prize.

[look_at_g_shred]

What was too high for LAL? Russel, Ingram, and Randle?

[Mr. Body]

OKC is asking for stars or star packages from everyone but they won't get it.

[look_at_g_shred]

OKC is asking for stars or star packages from everyone but they won't get it.
They probably won't but if they feel Westbrook will leave next summer, they are going to need to settle on a deal to not risk losing him for nothing.

[Chinook]

OKC is asking for stars or star packages from everyone but they won't get it.

And they'll get worse returns at the trade deadline. No one who can use Westbrook to his fullest capacity is going to pay big for a couple of months of his play.

[Mr. Body]

They probably won't but if they feel Westbrook will leave next summer, they are going to need to settle on a deal to not risk losing him for nothing.

I agree, but they have to do the progression, hence my Dutch auction comment. They're starting everyone high and slowly going lower. He'll still get traded.

[spurs10]

Has this come up yet?


Adam Joseph‏@AdamJosephSport (https://twitter.com/AdamJosephSport)

per sources, Presti discussed Westbrook deals with several different teams (inc. SAS, MIL, LAL, BOS), but no middle ground was found.

No? I hope it stays that way.
Question- how did GSW work a deal with all those max deal players? Surely Durbeta, Seth, Green, Thompson, Iguodala, are getting paid a fortune.

[Chinook]

Question- how did GSW work a deal with all those max deal players? Surely Durbeta, Seth, Green, Thompson, Iguodala, are getting paid a fortune.

Curry's making $12 Million a year, and Draymond is making like $17 Million. And Iggy isn't of that caliber.

[montgod]

Question- how did GSW work a deal with all those max deal players? Surely Durbeta, Seth, Green, Thompson, Iguodala, are getting paid a fortune.


Curry's making $12 Million a year, and Draymond is making like $17 Million. And Iggy isn't of that caliber.

Next year will be very interesting for that team, especially with decrease in expected salary cap numbers. I guess they could be like the Cavs/Nets and just go overs and pay ridiculous amounts of Luxury tax for their own.

[look_at_g_shred]

I wonder why presti included SA as one of the teams to trade WB to. I'd figure there are teams with way more to offer.

[montgod]

I wonder why presti included SA as one of the teams to trade WB to. I'd figure there are teams with way more to offer.

Good question. Maybe he thought he could catch them during Pop/RC wine time... and get Kawhi.

I think the SAS called him to inquire and he just mentioned them as one of the teams he talked with.

[spurs10]

Curry's making $12 Million a year, and Draymond is making like $17 Million. And Iggy isn't of that caliber. :tu

[Joseph Kony]

Presti really is an idiot if he's trying to leverage a team for their superstar or main guys. No one in the league is giving up significant pieces for a player who won't sign an extension. lol trying to play hard ball when you have no reason to. Russ is leaving no matter what imo, Presti better give up his idea of getting something of equal value or close to it in return because no one is gutting their team for someone who will be a FA in a year (except NYK lol)

[coachmac87]

I wonder why presti included SA as one of the teams to trade WB to. I'd figure there are teams with way more to offer.

My guess is there's a good chance Westbrook could resign with those teams..in which maybe they'd give up more.

[montgod]

My guess is there's a good chance Westbrook could resign with those teams..in which maybe they'd give up more.

He would really consider Mil? Interesting... I mean, I guess OKC isn't that far off.

[Ice009]

My guess is there's a good chance Westbrook could resign with those teams..in which maybe they'd give up more.

Why? Those teams could just get him next off-season without giving up anything. There is no need for anyone to give up anything significant unless Westbrook agrees to an extension. Presti is in a bad spot.

[SpurPadre]

He would really consider Mil? Interesting... I mean, I guess OKC isn't that far off.

of course, he'd consider Milwaukee. They're young, athletic, gave the Dubs fits last season and it's an easier path to the Finals.

[coachmac87]

Why? Those teams could just get him next off-season without giving up anything. There is no need for anyone to give up anything significant unless Westbrook agrees to an extension. Presti is in a bad spot.

Presti is in a terrible spot and IMO will be fired really soon. But the advantages you have if you get Westbrook in a trade is you get him in your culture used to players/coaches and hopefully that allows the upper hand. There's so much competition in FA crazy things can happen..as we saw this summer.

[coachmac87]

He would really consider Mil? Interesting... I mean, I guess OKC isn't that far off.

Not necessarily but MIL probably won't have a chance in FA so they can possibly give up more than the other teams listed. Bucks would then have an advantage of Westbrook with a year under his belt in their system
. If Bucks make it to the ECF maybe Westbrook stays??

[Ice009]

Presti is in a terrible spot and IMO will be fired really soon. But the advantages you have if you get Westbrook in a trade is you get him in your culture used to players/coaches and hopefully that allows the upper hand. There's so much competition in FA crazy things can happen..as we saw this summer.

If Westbrook is not willing to sign an extension, none of that means shit. You can't go giving up a ton of assets with the possibility of him walking next off-season. No smart team should be willing to do that. You could set your franchise back years.

[raybies]

People forget if you trade for him too you get his birds rights and can offer that fifth year. More guaranteed money.

[coachmac87]

If Westbrook is not willing to sign an extension, none of that means shit. You can't go giving up a ton of assets with the possibility of him walking next off-season. No smart team should be willing to do that. You could set your franchise back years.

Westbrook not signing extension has nothing to do with if he would stay with the team or not. It's about maximizing on his earnings when the cap goes up...better for him to sing contract next summer then it would to sign extension tomorrow

[Spurs9]

Adam Joseph‏@AdamJosephSport
:lol Presti thinking Spurs would give up Leonard

[SAGirl]

Has this come up yet?


Adam Joseph‏@AdamJosephSport (https://twitter.com/AdamJosephSport)

per sources, Presti discussed Westbrook deals with several different teams (inc. SAS, MIL, LAL, BOS), but no middle ground was found.

No? I hope it stays that way.

I had not seen that. I assume the trade proposed by Presti was Kawhi or LMA and SA said no way. Thanks for sharing.

[hsxvvd]

I'd give up LMA

[raybies]

I think Danny, Patty, Anderson, and Murray plus a couple firsts is a pretty good haul. They could always extract more picks to a third team for Danny and Patty and depending how they view Murray and Anderson, especially Murray it could be a solid get. I personally think Murray is better than Payne right now and has more upside. You also got Milutinov you can throw in. So you got assets. Just depends how much the Spurs are willing to give up and if he wants to do an extension. If he's willing to do an extension than you do what you must, but if not it's obviously not worth it. I mean we have assets, just depending on how you view them.

Honestly I've advocated for not getting Westbrook but the name alone is enticing and having a core of Westbrook, Leonard, and Aldridge would put us in immediate contention for a title instead of a punchers chance which we have now.

Westbrook/Parker/Arcidiacono
Forbes/Ginobili/
Leonard/Simmons
Aldridge/Bertans/Jean-Charles
Pau/Dedmon

This is kind of what we'd be looking at if it happened soon, which is kind of important so you have time to fill out the roster, and have a training camp together. Basketball reasons it makes since in the case for Presti to want to trade to us cause you kind of even the odds against the warriors. If Prestis interest was only kawhi then he's dreaming and there's no shot here. Its really all up to Westbrook cause he can extend with whoever he wants. If he's making a pure basketball decision then the spurs are his best bet to win championships for multiple years and he can have his showdown with Durant every year and actually have a chance.

Well I entertained the idea but I'm fine either way. Imo Westbrook is not the type to make a decision just based on basketball. In my mind he's always been an LA guy. So we'll see. As of now I don't see anyone giving up a star foods him. OKC really has no leverage here. You just hold out and the price will get lower.

[Nathan89]

I don't want to give anything up to get Westbrook. If he wants to play with the Spurs then he needs to come as a free agent. We can't afford to lose Danny Green/other role players.

[tholdren]

I had not seen that. I assume the trade proposed by Presti was Kawhi or LMA and SA said no way. Thanks for sharing.
Cant trade leonard for Westbrook - if they were the same age I would consider, but 3 years is 3 years.
Cant trade LMA - I don't think, due to LMA being such a big free agent signing....

Would trade for parker and green not even a second thought about it.

[coachmac87]

I think Danny, Patty, Anderson, and Murray plus a couple firsts is a pretty good haul. They could always extract more picks to a third team for Danny and Patty and depending how they view Murray and Anderson, especially Murray it could be a solid get. I personally think Murray is better than Payne right now and has more upside. You also got Milutinov you can throw in. So you got assets. Just depends how much the Spurs are willing to give up and if he wants to do an extension. If he's willing to do an extension than you do what you must, but if not it's obviously not worth it. I mean we have assets, just depending on how you view them.

Honestly I've advocated for not getting Westbrook but the name alone is enticing and having a core of Westbrook, Leonard, and Aldridge would put us in immediate contention for a title instead of a punchers chance which we have now.

Westbrook/Parker/Arcidiacono
Forbes/Ginobili/Simmons/
Leonard/Bertans
Aldridge/Jean-Charles
Pau/Dedmon

This is kind of what we'd be looking at if it happened soon, which is kind of important so you have time to fill out the roster, and have a training camp together. Basketball reasons it makes since in the case for Presti to want to trade to us cause you kind of even the odds against the warriors. If Prestis interest was only kawhi then he's dreaming and there's no shot here. Its really all up to Westbrook cause he can extend with whoever he wants. If he's making a pure basketball decision then the spurs are his best bet to win championships for multiple years and he can have his showdown with Durant every year and actually have a chance.

Well I entertained the idea but I'm fine either way. Imo Westbrook is not the type to make a decision just based on basketball. In my mind he's always been an LA guy. So we'll see. As of now I don't see anyone giving up a star foods him. OKC really has no leverage here. You just hold out and the price will get lower.

Honestly even tho it isn't likely. Trading LMA and Mills plus picks for Westbrook and McGary is the best deal for the Spurs. You keep depth and they'd actually match up very well with the Warriors.

Westbrook/Parker/Murray
Green/Manu/Simmons
Leonard/Anderson
Gasol/Bertans/LJC
Dedmon/McGary

Leaves 2 roster spots open for possible C/PF depth.

But that team could match up perfectly against GSW. You'd have Westbrook/Green/Leonard guarding the perimeter which would put a choke hold on the league. Obviously front court is weak but Gasol is still very productive and would actually get consistent touches. But it's the bench that will set us apart. Parker, Manu, Anderson is great start for depth. You've got the young guys who can ease their way in (Bertans, Murray, LJC,).

I know this is a pipe dream but if I want to contend against GSW THIS year..this is route to go.

Westbrook vs Curry
Green vs Thompson
Leonard vs Durant
Dedmond vs Green
Gasol vs Pachullia

And our bench > their bench IMO...

Just a thought. Contracts match on Trade Machine

[Chinook]

^Nope.

[Spur|n|Austin]

I don't want to give anything up to get Westbrook. If he wants to play with the Spurs then he needs to come as a free agent. We can't afford to lose Danny Green/other role players.

I agree that Danny must stay, but I would be willing to give up KA, Mills, and picks.

[spursreport]

Sucks Presti can't just do the Spurs a solid and deal Westbrook for Parker, a pick, right to 2-3 players and then resign from okc fo.

[coachmac87]

^Nope.

:lol fuck you then

[GSH]

Presti really is an idiot if he's trying to leverage a team for their superstar or main guys. No one in the league is giving up significant pieces for a player who won't sign an extension. lol trying to play hard ball when you have no reason to. Russ is leaving no matter what imo, Presti better give up his idea of getting something of equal value or close to it in return because no one is gutting their team for someone who will be a FA in a year (except NYK lol)

Trading your future for a rental has never been a good thing to do. The only time it could make sense is if you are in a win-this-year situation, like maybe the last year of Tim's career. But even then, if have to trade pieces it reduces the chance of winning it all. The Spurs aren't that stupid.

Besides that, I can see Westbrook bolting to a big market team, like the Knicks, where it would be "his" team. So if the team did well, he could take full credit for it.

[TheGreatYacht]

Pull the trigger Presti. RC always has a spot for you if you get fired

[raybies]

^Nope.

:tu

[Keepin' it real]

Again, it wouldn't shock me for Monroe and MKE to agree to a buyout pretty soon and him ending up on GS.

Do not say such frightening things.

Why would that be frightening? Most spurstalkers are saying they don't want Monroe to sign with the Spurs because he doesn't play defense or rebound. In that case, we should hope that Monroe does sign with GSW.


Presti is in a terrible spot and IMO will be fired really soon. But the advantages you have if you get Westbrook in a trade is you get him in your culture used to players/coaches and hopefully that allows the upper hand. There's so much competition in FA crazy things can happen..as we saw this summer.

Huh? He's easily a top 5 GM in the NBA.


He would really consider Mil? Interesting... I mean, I guess OKC isn't that far off.

Does Milwaukee have a Neiman Marcus? If so, then maybe Russ would consider ...

http://8328-presscdn-0-65.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/russell-westbrook-teen-choice-awards-fashion.jpg

[RD2191]

OKC is fucked no matter what. They need to do SA a solid and help us take out the dubs and KD this upcoming season imo

[Leetonidas]

Any trade fantasy involving LMA is retarded. Kawhi and Westbrook is simply not enough and is a lateral move tbh. spurs can pursue him in FA next year

[montgod]

OKC is fucked no matter what. They need to do SA a solid and help us take out the dubs and KD this upcoming season imo

Not necessarily. I think Celtics would give up enough to make it worth OKC's while. Same thing with MIL since I think their FO can be had. It's just in how Presti plays it and hopefully if they can control Westbrook enough for him to just keep quiet during process

[Mr. Body]

I wouldn't involve Murray in any way. Not for a year rental.

[cd98]

Any trade fantasy involving LMA is retarded. Kawhi and Westbrook is simply not enough and is a lateral move tbh. spurs can pursue him in FA next year

Yep, and what message does it send to free agents when we get our biggest free agent in franchise history and then trade him the next year?

[Hoops Czar]

I wouldn't involve Murray in any way. Not for a year rental.

The Spurs wouldn't make a trade for Westbrook unless he agreed to an extension. Even at age 27, Westbrook has a higher ceiling in his pinky finger than Murray has in his entire body so if OKC wants Murray, they can have him.

[monkeypunk]

The Spurs wouldn't make a trade for Westbrook unless he agreed to an extension. Even at age 27, Westbrook has a higher ceiling in his pinky finger than Murray has in his entire body so if OKC wants Murray, they can have him.

Agreed on the first point but your second sucks donkey balls. We have no idea what Murrays ceiling is and if he is as dedicated to growing as Kawhi, he could be as good or better than Westbrook, in the end.

[cutewizard]

Let's just concentrate on the big, and that would be enough

[montgod]

Agreed on the first point but your second sucks donkey balls. We have no idea what Murrays ceiling is and if he is as dedicated to growing as Kawhi, he could be as good or better than Westbrook, in the end.

Sorry, I have to agree with Hoops on this one. If they want Murray, and Spurs get Westbrook in the trade, you do it 100 times out of 100. Kawhi and Aldridge are win now candidates. That would be a potent nucleus.

[cutewizard]

If Westbrook was serious about revenge and winning an NBA title >>>>> just go to the Spurs and just do it!

[montgod]

If Westbrook was serious about revenge and winning an NBA title >>>>> just go to the Spurs and just do it!

It's going to be interesting to see what he chooses and would tell a lot about what kind of player he is/or values most.

LA - Lifestyle and win later
BOS - Great potential to win now
SAS - Win now
MIL - Great potential to win now
OKC- Good potential but needs another player to help. Definitely could grow as a leader and be 'his' team w/Presti getting another piece.

In the end, at least for this year, it will be based on what OKC wants and not Westbrook most likely meaning SAS are out (they won't accept a TP type of trade for him).

[Joseph Kony]

I would hardly say Milwaukee has great potential to win now imo...didn't they regress last season? A lot is riding on them moving Monroe and Giannis becoming a legit top 10 player

[cutewizard]

I suggested two guys. Murray as an off the ball guy. Let's assume he doesn't know shit about the PG spot and needs to learn. If he can play defense and shoot a 3, play him mostly off the ball. He probably will take off on his own on occasion bc he's a transition player, but he needs to be coached just like Tony. He's more likely to give someone fits with good coaching to someone on defense, will grab loose balls, boards, than Tony will and he will probably make an energy play here or there. That's more than Tony does on defense. In the initial Tony stages when he was a Dejounte age, from my understanding it was all "give Timmy the Ball". Dejounte can give Kawhi, Paul and LMA and whoever the ball, just the same, while he develops his own game. The Spurs don't need a ball dominant old fashioned old PG who is not even a good passer right this second.

The other idea I had for Pop if things were too disorganized out there and what he really wanted was a leader and game manager. Then Slowmo is that guy. He's the most unorthodox guy we have, but he's a true PG/game manager in the sense that he will look for teammates and get them the ball, will control tempo, understand every set, timing, etc. He's the most cerebral of the young players in the team and if the team is looking for leadership in the young crew, he has it. He won't be prone to heroballing or throwing the ball away. Heck I don't know if it will work, but he's done it b4. He was actually directing the offense from the 4 spot in SL. He did that in garbage time last season too. The Spurs are going somewhere with him. I just can't tell exactly, but directing an offense from whatever spot has been a part of it.

In the end, it doesn't matter, I know Pop will stay traditional. I just thought its about time that Pop starts throwing wrinkles out there for others to worry about. I mean this is if those Monroe rumors are true, which they probably aren't.


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i second the motion, i think the Spurs should at least try Kyle as point forward.....

[cutewizard]

We should be up 30 in 15 mins or less though... at that point you can trot in Archiholdthemayo, tbh

:lobt:

[cutewizard]

It's going to be interesting to see what he chooses and would tell a lot about what kind of player he is/or values most.

LA - Lifestyle and win later
BOS - Great potential to win now
SAS - Win now
MIL - Great potential to win now
OKC- Good potential but needs another player to help. Definitely could grow as a leader and be 'his' team w/Presti getting another piece.

In the end, at least for this year, it will be based on what OKC wants and not Westbrook most likely meaning SAS are out (they won't accept a TP type of trade for him).


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Correct!

[cutewizard]

At least the Celtics and the Bucks will make the East interesting at least this year....

Hope to have NBA TV feature more of them....

im currently choosing between the two of them for my second favorite team, hmmm

[look_at_g_shred]

At least the Celtics and the Bucks will make the East interesting at least this year....

Hope to have NBA TV feature more of them....

im currently choosing between the two of them for my second favorite team, hmmm
Pistons on the come up too!

[RD2191]

Lol @ people overrating the Celtics. They're trash. They just look promising because the play in the east. They're far from being a serious title contender.

[look_at_g_shred]

Lol @ people overrating the Celtics. They're trash. They just look promising because the play in the east. They're far from being a serious title contender.
would trade pop for stevens in a heartbeat tho

[RD2191]

would trade pop for stevens in a heartbeat tho

Tbh.

[Hoops Czar]

East was better than the west last year. Boston probably wins 55 games playing in the west. :lol

[tonight...you]

would trade pop for stevens in a heartbeat tho
I'm a big fan of Stevens. He's going to be there a long time, I think.

[RD2191]

East was better than the west last year. Boston probably wins 55 games playing in the west. :lol

Lol. Lay off the crack.

[Mr. Body]

Sorry, I have to agree with Hoops on this one. If they want Murray, and Spurs get Westbrook in the trade, you do it 100 times out of 100. Kawhi and Aldridge are win now candidates. That would be a potent nucleus.

If Westbrook came with an extension I'd include Murray in the trade. Without the extension, no.

[Mr. Body]

Lol @ people overrating the Celtics. They're trash. They just look promising because the play in the east. They're far from being a serious title contender.

Yeah. The Celtics aren't winning anything any time soon. Their roster is still a bunch of good bench players with a couple maybe standouts.

[tholdren]

East was better than the west last year. Boston probably wins 55 games playing in the west. :lol
?

[look_at_g_shred]

Lol. Lay off the crack.
imo

[Chillen]

Westbrook should be on his knees begging Presti to trade him to the Spurs. Even with Westbrook there odds are Thunder are not making the playoffs. If the Spurs can keep the core of LMA, Leonard, Gasol and manage to get Westbrook they can compete with the Warriors big 4.

[Hoops Czar]

Lol. Lay off the crack.

Portland would have been an 8th seed in east. :lol

[montgod]

At least the Celtics and the Bucks will make the East interesting at least this year....

Hope to have NBA TV feature more of them....

im currently choosing between the two of them for my second favorite team, hmmm

Pacers actually don't look half bad now either with all their moves. Will be interesting to see what they do. Big issue they have is not being able to unload Ellis.

[montgod]

If Westbrook came with an extension I'd include Murray in the trade. Without the extension, no.

Well i think its a given that a trade would only happen if he extended from Spurs FO perspective.

[CGD]

And they'll get worse returns at the trade deadline. No one who can use Westbrook to his fullest capacity is going to pay big for a couple of months of his play.

Isnt there something about end of September being the last chance for a team to renegotiate and extend certain players? If so, OKC leverage goes to the crapper after that deadline, since Russ turns into a rental.

[Chinook]

Isnt there something about end of September being the last chance for a team to renegotiate and extend certain players? If so, OKC leverage goes to the crapper after that deadline, since Russ turns into a rental.

That's for rookies. The extension rules for vets are more complicated. But they aren't worth talking about. Russ isn't extending with anyone. It would cost him many millions.

[SAGirl]

That's for rookies. The extension rules for vets are more complicated. But they aren't worth talking about. Russ isn't extending with anyone. It would cost him many millions.
So it's risky for anyone to give up much more than a young prospect or two and a pick, maybe one genuine rotation player for salary purpose and to interest OKC? too risky. Basically a gamble, right?

[Chinook]

So it's risky for anyone to give up much more than a young prospect or two and a pick, maybe one genuine rotation player for salary purpose and to interest OKC? too risky. Basically a gamble, right?

It's a gamble, but it's not Russian Roulette. The team that trades for him at least doubles their chances of getting him.

[coachmac87]

It's a gamble, but it's not Russian Roulette. The team that trades for him at least doubles their chances of getting him.

Ding Ding..

[SAGirl]

It's a gamble, but it's not Russian Roulette. The team that trades for him at least doubles their chances of getting him.
fair enough thanks for answering. Seems risky. To a team with a lot of roleplayers like Boston and Milwaukee, they are better positioned to be gambling at this point.
For Spurs, I feel like a gamble that doesn't pay off will put the team out for good, bc Spurs have already wiped out their depth the last couple of seasons. To trade picks and the guys they are hoping to develop to rebuild that depth away and then lose Russ will set us back. If they took Tony or Manu I would not have a problem. The problem is they will probably want our best roleplayers, prospects and picks. I am not comfortable with that.

[DPG21920]

So it's risky for anyone to give up much more than a young prospect or two and a pick, maybe one genuine rotation player for salary purpose and to interest OKC? too risky. Basically a gamble, right?

Sort of, but getting his bird rights and the ability to sign him for the 5th year is a huge advantage. Despite the influx of players leaving their teams (LMA, KD, Horford) the vast majority of big FA's stay with their current team because of the financial advantage.

Will be interesting to see what the market is for Russ. Can OKC really trade WB? Can they survive losing both KD and WB? They lost KD for nothing, so does that play into their decision? Or do you have to keep him and hope you re-sign him because trading him won't net you anything and the risk of losing him for nothing is the best choice because of the heightened chance to re-sign him.

From other teams perspective, how much do you give up for a guy you can sign outright in FA?

[tonight...you]

fair enough thanks for answering. Seems risky. To a team with a lot of roleplayers like Boston and Milwaukee, they are better positioned to be gambling at this point.
For Spurs, I feel like a gamble that doesn't pay off will put the team out for good, bc Spurs have already wiped out their depth the last couple of seasons. To trade picks and the guys they are hoping to develop to rebuild that depth away and then lose Russ will set us back. If they took Tony or Manu I would not have a problem. The problem is they will probably want our best roleplayers, prospects and picks. I am not comfortable with that.
That's the life of a small market team living off of their incredibly good fortunes.
I do like the idea of having an entire season of Pop charming and coaching the pants off of Russell.

There's some real potential there.

[SAGirl]

Sort of, but getting his bird rights and the ability to sign him for the 5th year is a huge advantage. Despite the influx of players leaving their teams (LMA, KD, Horford) the vast majority of big FA's stay with their current team because of the financial advantage.

Will be interesting to see what the market is for Russ. Can OKC really trade WB? Can they survive losing both KD and WB? They lost KD for nothing, so does that play into their decision? Or do you have to keep him and hope you re-sign him because trading him won't net you anything and the risk of losing him for nothing is the best choice because of the heightened chance to re-sign him.

From other teams perspective, how much do you give up for a guy you can sign outright in FA?
See my answer above. I am not comfortable on giving up much in fact. I know that our roleplayers, prospects and picks objectively are not worth 1 Westbrook, but they are worth a lot to the Spurs subjectively. Could be as risky as making us worse within a season. I'd wait to pursue him in FA unless Russ signs an extension.

[SAGirl]

It could work
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=j9wb2zo

[Joseph Kony]

http://www.si.com/nba/video/2016/07/21/five-nba-trade-scenarios

is this guy for real? :lol Doubt Philly would give Okafor away for Patty Mills or Fathead

[ElNono]

http://www.si.com/nba/video/2016/07/21/five-nba-trade-scenarios

is this guy for real? :lol Doubt Philly would give Okafor away for Patty Mills or Fathead

:lol

[Ditty]

If OKC really wants to stick it to the Durant, they would trade Wesbrook to SA tbh.

I bet OKC wants a team to take on Kanter's contract in order for them to trade Westbrook though. Spurs would have to probably find a third team that would be willing to take on Parker's contract. I could see OKC wanting Spurs drafts picks in 2017, 2019, and 2021 at least. All unprotected. Two of them might not matter as they would be picking at the very end for at least the next three seasons.

Could see OKC wanting Murray, Anderson and possibly even Milutinov. Six first round talents for Westbrook who may leave for nothing. OKC isn't signing anyone in free agency unless they overpay. They will have to tank for at least two seasons and hope they get lucky again.

[Mnky]

Draft picks always matter. You can't half your team Max and then sign free agents. You have to draft and play role players, not to mention develop for the future. Look at how great Brooklyn is doing without their draft picks. Even if they had late first rounders, they would be twice the team they are now.

[SAGirl]

http://www.si.com/nba/video/2016/07/21/five-nba-trade-scenarios

is this guy for real? :lol Doubt Philly would give Okafor away for Patty Mills or Fathead
They need wings and 3 pts shooting really, really badly and are now getting to a kind of desperate situation with their bigs bc they have too many. It generates discord over playing time and guys games don't fit with each other. Simmons can't shoot and looks to have the ball a lot. Surely one would think they could extract a better wing from someone somewhere, maybe Otto Porter, maybe Kelly Oubre, but what other wings from the past 2 drafts look better TBH (aside of Wiggins and Lavine who are not for trade?) No doubt in Philly he would be better than Staukas for example. Him shooting that 3 has made him appealing. This is good for the Spurs.

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/709490101848563716/nIvHgKvb_bigger.jpg David Pick ‏@IAmDPick (https://twitter.com/IAmDPick)

San Antonio Spurs stash Cady Lalanne, and Willie Warren, have both signed in China with Zhejiang Banks, sources said.

[Chinook]

Good. That's one player the team doesn't have to worry about, and it opens up a potential spot for Nnoko in camp.

Probably not the stash people wanted to hear about, though.

[Chinook]

fair enough thanks for answering. Seems risky. To a team with a lot of roleplayers like Boston and Milwaukee, they are better positioned to be gambling at this point.
For Spurs, I feel like a gamble that doesn't pay off will put the team out for good, bc Spurs have already wiped out their depth the last couple of seasons. To trade picks and the guys they are hoping to develop to rebuild that depth away and then lose Russ will set us back. If they took Tony or Manu I would not have a problem. The problem is they will probably want our best roleplayers, prospects and picks. I am not comfortable with that.

Eh, it's not as big of a risk as it seems. The Spurs would be opening up a max slot by making this trade, so they'd have a chance at someone like Paul or Lowery if Westbrook left. And trading for him openings up the possibility of having the MLE and being able to re-sign guys like Simmons or Gasol if it comes to that. There's utility in doing it this way rather than having to wait until next summer before just dumping those guys for nothing like they've been doing.

And this all ignores that with Westbrook (especially if the team somehow kept Green), the gap between the Spurs and Warriors shrinks to almost nothing. Winning a title this season is worth any prospect the Spurs have, and I say that as a person who wouldn't trade Anderson or Murray for almost anything.

[Mr. Body]

The Spurs with Westbrook next year is a team I'd likely pick over the Warriors. The Spurs would be much better balanced, plus the Warriors are pretty gutted inside. With no rim protectors Westbrook would run roughshod. I mean, I don't know what Golden State could do. and that's before his revenge factor kicking in, too.

[coachmac87]

Eh, it's not as big of a risk as it seems. The Spurs would be opening up a max slot by making this trade, so they'd have a chance at someone like Paul or Lowery if Westbrook left. And trading for him openings up the possibility of having the MLE and being able to re-sign guys like Simmons or Gasol if it comes to that. There's utility in doing it this way rather than having to wait until next summer before just dumping those guys for nothing like they've been doing.

And this all ignores that with Westbrook (especially if the team somehow kept Green), the gap between the Spurs and Warriors shrinks to almost nothing. Winning a title this season is worth any prospect the Spurs have, and I say that as a person who wouldn't trade Anderson or Murray for almost anything.

Other than "Nope" why'd you disagree about trading LMA? You don't like the idea of what the team would be? You think it'd be a bad look for the Spurs?

[montgod]

Eh, it's not as big of a risk as it seems. The Spurs would be opening up a max slot by making this trade, so they'd have a chance at someone like Paul or Lowery if Westbrook left. And trading for him openings up the possibility of having the MLE and being able to re-sign guys like Simmons or Gasol if it comes to that. There's utility in doing it this way rather than having to wait until next summer before just dumping those guys for nothing like they've been doing.

And this all ignores that with Westbrook (especially if the team somehow kept Green), the gap between the Spurs and Warriors shrinks to almost nothing. Winning a title this season is worth any prospect the Spurs have, and I say that as a person who wouldn't trade Anderson or Murray for almost anything.

Agreed.

[Chinook]

Other than "Nope" why'd you disagree about trading LMA? You don't like the idea of what the team would be? You think it'd be a bad look for the Spurs?

The Spurs need LMA. Russ and Kawhi are a slightly worse version of KD and Russ. LMA gives them a legit Big Three, and if that could be maintained with Green and Gasol, I'd put that as the top first unit in the league. The moment you start trying to run Gasol as a PF, you pretty much ruin him, and starting a guy like Anderson at PF isn't exactly the way to take advantage of the Warriors' lack of size.

[coachmac87]

The Spurs need LMA. Russ and Kawhi are a slightly worse version of KD and Russ. LMA gives them a legit Big Three, and if that could be maintained with Green and Gasol, I'd put that as the top first unit in the league. The moment you start trying to run Gasol as a PF, you pretty much ruin him, and starting a guy like Anderson at PF isn't exactly the way to take advantage of the Warriors' lack of size.


But we're talking about realistic options. Only way Spurs keep Green is if they trade Parker...which isn't going to happen right?? If we trade Green, Mills, Anderson or whatever for Westbrook I dunno if we actually are good enough. I don't need a "Big 3" to win a title. I want Green/Westbrook/Leonard back court..and the only realistic way of getting that is trading LMA.

Gasol would be guarding the same guys Duncan would..while Dedmon would be guarding the Forwards and "running". Now my idea does put a lot of stock in Dedmon but there's risk in any realistic option of getting Westbrook. I'd just rather take that risk in the front court than the back court. And with my idea we'd still have ALL our young players (Anderson, Murray) and veteran leadership in Parker and Manu.

I also don't buy the argument made by some not necessarily you about trading LMA isn't a good look...well EVERYTHING changed and got flipped upside down when KD went to GSW. You do what it takes to make the best TEAM..not a BIG 3.

[Mr. Body]

I can't see the FO trading a huge free agent acquisition one summer later, especially exiling him to a dying team in a small market. That's incredibly bad form and would impact their standing with future free agents. This is a non-starter.

[Mr. Body]

The reason I think they'd balk at trading Green is that he signed for below market value for the team's benefit.

[cutewizard]

Can we just move on from Westbrook (unrealistic) and focus on the fourth big that we need??

[coachmac87]

I can't see the FO trading a huge free agent acquisition one summer later, especially exiling him to a dying team in a small market. That's incredibly bad form and would impact their standing with future free agents. This is a non-starter.

Well expect the unexpected when the last 2 MVPs join forces on a team that won 73 games. It's about winning championships and getting Westbrook/Kawhi together long term should be the only concern.

[Chinook]

But we're talking about realistic options. Only way Spurs keep Green is if they trade Parker...which isn't going to happen right??

They'd trade Parker over trading LMA. That's not the fan talking here. They'd lose way more on the court and off if they didn't. If their willingness to trade Parker was a 1/10, their willingness to trade Aldridge would be a .5/10.


If we trade Green, Mills, Anderson or whatever for Westbrook I dunno if we actually are good enough.

Of course they are.

Westbrook, Parker
Anyone, Ginobili
Leonard, Simmons
Aldridge, Bertans
Dedmon, Gasol

That lineup works just fine and can be filled in rookies and ring-chasers as time goes on. Of course, with Green instead of Parker and with keeping Murray or Anderson, it looks almost ideal. But especially as rotations shrink, the Spurs will be better able to handle their lack of depth.

[Mr. Body]

Well expect the unexpected when the last 2 MVPs join forces on a team that won 73 games. It's about winning championships and getting Westbrook/Kawhi together long term should be the only concern.

The only place it would happen is in your head.

[montgod]

They'd trade Parker over trading LMA. That's not the fan talking here. They'd lose way more on the court and off if they didn't. If their willingness to trade Parker was a 1/10, their willingness to trade Aldridge would be a .5/10.



Of course they are.

Westbrook, Parker
Anyone, Ginobili
Leonard, Simmons
Aldridge, Bertans
Dedmon, Gasol

That lineup works just fine and can be filled in rookies and ring-chasers as time goes on. Of course, with Green instead of Parker and with keeping Murray or Anderson, it looks almost ideal. But especially as rotations shrink, the Spurs will be better able to handle their lack of depth.

I agree. Not to mention, there is actually a few nice vet min options that could fill out some of the holes. Shoot.. .we could have two 4 fingered guys in adding Green from Mia at SG (with lineup above in mind) for nothing just for his outside shooting and occasional drives/dunks. Not saying I want him, but there are definitely options and with the new big 4 (if it ever happened, which I strongly doubt there is anyway it would this year), they make role players look even better.

[Chinook]

I can't see the FO trading a huge free agent acquisition one summer later, especially exiling him to a dying team in a small market. That's incredibly bad form and would impact their standing with future free agents. This is a non-starter.

Yes, complete non-starter.


The reason I think they'd balk at trading Green is that he signed for below market value for the team's benefit.

Yes, I really don't think they want to move him. He's probably getting up there with anyone who isn't the Big Three as far as money he's left on the table to stay a Spur. Usually the role-players they move are either overpaid or about to be. In the very least, they would let him pick his team and send the assets to OKC rather than dropping him off there.

[coachmac87]

They'd trade Parker over trading LMA. That's not the fan talking here. They'd lose way more on the court and off if they didn't. If their willingness to trade Parker was a 1/10, their willingness to trade Aldridge would be a .5/10.



Of course they are.

Westbrook, Parker
Anyone, Ginobili
Leonard, Simmons
Aldridge, Bertans
Dedmon, Gasol

That lineup works just fine and can be filled in rookies and ring-chasers as time goes on. Of course, with Green instead of Parker and with keeping Murray or Anderson, it looks almost ideal. But especially as rotations shrink, the Spurs will be better able to handle their lack of depth.

If they're willing to trade Parker then I'm with you. But willing to give up Parker is one thing but it takes 2 to tango and who wants a 34yr old starting PG? I just don't see how OKC would accept that deal lol. And I'm also not comfortable putting "Anyone" at SG...especially when they've gotta be a 3/D guy..We've already got one of the best in the league.

[coachmac87]

The only place it would happen is in your head.

Riiiiiight just like how everybody assumed KD would stay in OKC.

Expect the unexpected

[Chinook]

If they're willing to trade Parker then I'm with you. But willing to give up Parker is one thing but it takes 2 to tango and who wants a 34yr old starting PG?

Someone just offered Manu the same contract pretty much. Finding a taker for Tony isn't difficult in my eyes.


I just don't see how OKC would accept that deal lol.

Eh, if they refuse to take anything less than LMA, they can screw themselves. There are other players the team could target to add to their core rather than to sacrifice the core for.


I'm also not comfortable putting "Anyone" at SG...especially when they've gotta be a 3/D guy..We've already got one of the best in the league.

I mean, if you're thinking that the two-guard is going to sink the ship, then there's no reason to trade for Westbrook. As everyone knows, I'm a Danny homer and think he's every bit as important as Gasol. But the point of acquiring a star is that you don't have to rely on role-players as much. Westbrook/a tree stump, should be better than Parker/Green. If it's not, then then the Spurs have no business even inquiring.

[Mr. Body]

Riiiiiight just like how everybody assumed KD would stay in OKC.

Expect the unexpected

Dude, KD did something kind of assholic and dickish in the history of sports. You're asking the Spurs to do the same thing.

[coachmac87]

Someone just offered Manu the same contract pretty much. Finding a taker for Tony isn't difficult in my eyes.



Eh, if they refuse to take anything less than LMA, they can screw themselves. There are other players the team could target to add to their core rather than to sacrifice the core for.



I mean, if you're thinking that the two-guard is going to sink the ship, then there's no reason to trade for Westbrook. As everyone knows, I'm a Danny homer and think he's every bit as important as Gasol. But the point of acquiring a star is that you don't have to rely on role-players as much. Westbrook/a tree stump, should be better than Parker/Green. If it's not, then then the Spurs have no business even inquiring.


I mean we are talking about the same team that waived Rasual Butler in favor of keeping a male cheerleader in Matt Bonner...why they do that?

People couldn't believe they did Butler like that..I kind of did due to the Spurs true loyalty. While I'm sure they like LMA. He isn't the best PG that's ever played for you.

Again I'm not saying this should or will happen..I'm putting myself in Spurs/OKC shoes and the only middle ground I can see is LMA.

Sure you can always get a 3rd team but that team has to have an incentive and that can get tricky..

[coachmac87]

Dude, KD did something kind of assholic and dickish in the history of sports. You're asking the Spurs to do the same thing.

It's not assholic or dickish when you're arguably getting the best PG in the league lol.

[coachmac87]

Dude, KD did something kind of assholic and dickish in the history of sports. You're asking the Spurs to do the same thing.

It's not assholic or dickish when you're arguably getting the best PG in the league :nope

[montgod]

I mean we are talking about the same team that waived Rasual Butler in favor of keeping a male cheerleader in Matt Bonner...why they do that?

People couldn't believe they did Butler like that..I kind of did due to the Spurs true loyalty. While I'm sure they like LMA. He isn't the best PG that's ever played for you.

Again I'm not saying this should or will happen..I'm putting myself in Spurs/OKC shoes and the only middle ground I can see is LMA.

Sure you can always get a 3rd team but that team has to have an incentive and that can get tricky..

I don't see the Spurs being that much better by subtracting LMA for Westbrook while Parker is also here. Seems redundant and weakens the PF position further than it already is. I see what you are saying, but don't see the Spurs trading LMA for anyone at this time especially when they just signed him last year. And you really can't compare the 14th, 15th player on the roster to loyalty to an LMA type player who is arguably the best PF in the game today, or at the very least top 3 with Anthony Davis as the best (when healthy).

[coachmac87]

I don't see the Spurs being that much better by subtracting LMA for Westbrook while Parker is also here. Seems redundant and weakens the PF position further than it already is. I see what you are saying, but don't see the Spurs trading LMA for anyone at this time especially when they just signed him last year. And you really can't compare the 14th, 15th player on the roster to loyalty to an LMA type player who is arguably the best PF in the game today, or at the very least top 3 with Anthony Davis as the best (when healthy).


Westbrook vs Curry
Green vs Thompson
Leonard vs Durant

Parker, Anderson, Manu anchor your bench.

If Spurs only give up Parker for Westbrook then duhhhhh you do it lol. I just don't see it though. But we can all pray/dream right?


No I am comparing Parker/LMA.

[Ice009]

Westbrook vs Curry
Green vs Thompson
Leonard vs Durant

Parker, Anderson, Manu anchor your bench.

If Spurs only give up Parker for Westbrook then duhhhhh you do it lol. I just don't see it though. But we can all pray/dream right?


No I am comparing Parker/LMA.

Can we maybe get a three team deal going between Philadelphia, OKC and the Spurs. Get one or two of those bigs to OKC and send Parker to Philadelphia to help Brett Brown out with a leadership role.

[coachmac87]

Can we maybe get a three team deal going between Philadelphia, OKC and the Spurs. Get one or two of those bigs to OKC and send Parker to Philadelphia to help Brett Brown out with a leadership role.

OKC is going to want more than just one of the bigs from Philly. And I doubt Philly gives up their picks if they're only getting Parker back. Spurs can give their picks but even that won't be enough.

[ernest787]

I don't see a trade happening that sends Westbrook to SA, BUT... if you can get him and keep LMA, Kawhi, Gasol... then you have to do it. The rest you can piece together. Obviously keeping Green would be a huge positive, but if you have to let Green go then you figure out how to fill the spot for the year and then look next year at an upgrade, then you make it work.

Westbrook is arguably a top 5-7 player in the league. You don't get the opportunity to add that talent to your team often, much less in the prime of their career. So giving up guys that are projected to maybe be NBA role-players for him is a no brainer.

[Hoops Czar]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/709490101848563716/nIvHgKvb_bigger.jpg David Pick ‏@IAmDPick (https://twitter.com/IAmDPick)

San Antonio Spurs stash Cady Lalanne, and Willie Warren, have both signed in China with Zhejiang Banks, sources said.

:lol stash

[SAGirl]

I can't see the FO trading a huge free agent acquisition one summer later, especially exiling him to a dying team in a small market. That's incredibly bad form and would impact their standing with future free agents. This is a non-starter.
Yes exiling the only big FA that came here of his own desire is bad for the freanchise, specially when they are choosing that over trading Tony who is the man whose position is being taken. Doesn't make sense and Paul is old and might be a rental, LMA is in his prime and looked very dominant for parts of the season.

Everyone is entitled to his opinion. I would remain really reluctant on Westbrook. He doesn't sound like a Spurs guy who will stay to win if they don't get it done in one season (unrealistic) and hoping to replace him (and what would be Tony or Manu in my trade scenario) the year after when we have already traded depth puts the Spurs in a very bad situation. It's a bad gamble that if it doesn't pay off will set us back for years, then LMA and Kawhi are up for their own contracts and will leave or need to be traded and we closed the door in anh championship possibilities and have to rebuild from scratch. I would veto trades unless Russ commits to an extension and he won't.

I think franchises that are in the Boston mold are better prepared to take risks bc they have a lot of assets we don't. May be even Miami.

[Chinook]

I mean, I think the Spurs would have a viable starting lineup in the event Westbrook leaves.

Something like:

Parker, Leonard, Bertans, Aldridge, Gasol

or:

Murray, Green, Leonard, Aldridge Gasol

Or:

Parker, Leonard, Anderson, Aldrdige Gasol

And each of those comes with options for guys to bring off the bench and a max slot to add someone else. This shouldn't set the franchise back, though again, the ideal scenario of keeping Green and being able to roll out Westbrook, Green, Leonard, Aldrdige and Gasol/Dedmon for a few years is definitely the upside.

What it does do is put greater pressure on the non-A-level prospects to work out. Like if Murray is in the trade, can Arcidiacono, Hanlan or Forbes carve out a role as a rotational player? Or if Anderson is traded, can Bertans step up? Can Simmons his mistakes enough to be a useful player? And someone out of the Cady, LJC, Ndoye or Milutinov group become a third big? You get a Neal and a Baynes out of those guys, and you can continue to build your core despite losing the top prospects.

[GSH]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/709490101848563716/nIvHgKvb_bigger.jpg David Pick ‏@IAmDPick (https://twitter.com/IAmDPick)

San Antonio Spurs stash Cady Lalanne, and Willie Warren, have both signed in China with Zhejiang Banks, sources said.


LMAO... that's better than saying, "Dump", and "jettison" would just confuse too many people.

Is it too late to stash Bonner?

[SAGirl]

I mean we are talking about the same team that waived Rasual Butler in favor of keeping a male cheerleader in Matt Bonner...why they do that?

People couldn't believe they did Butler like that..I kind of did due to the Spurs true loyalty. While I'm sure they like LMA. He isn't the best PG that's ever played for you.

Again I'm not saying this should or will happen..I'm putting myself in Spurs/OKC shoes and the only middle ground I can see is LMA.

Sure you can always get a 3rd team but that team has to have an incentive and that can get tricky..
It's a lateral move at best and goes into the super risky basket. We lose Russ and don't have LMA the following season and can't convince anyone to join the Spurs bc we did LMA like that.

The more I think about this the more I don't like it. I'd only trade Tony and prospects/picks and even that I don't like. Spurs won't trade anyone. Likely they talk to him next off-season like they did with Durantula.

[Ron Swanson]

LMAO... that's better than saying, "Dump", and "jettison" would just confuse too many people.

Is it too late to stash Bonner?

Stashed on the bench with a 3/36 extension.

[Chinook]

That tweet is clearly using "stash" as a noun, not a verb.

[coachmac87]

It's a lateral move at best and goes into the super risky basket. We lose Russ and don't have LMA the following season and can't convince anyone to join the Spurs bc we did LMA like that.

The more I think about this the more I don't like it. I'd only trade Tony and prospects/picks and even that I don't like. Spurs won't trade anyone. Likely they talk to him next off-season like they did with Durantula.


But why is this even a topic? Why is Westbrook possibly on the move?

Because KD shocked the world shook the landscape of the entire league. This has never happened before in the history of the league. Spurs weren't expecting this nor opposing FO's. It changes EVERYTHING...

I just don't buy the BS about it not being a "good look" LMA has been a good signing but he hasn't been a perfect fit... How would it be a wash? Because LMA did sooooo well against GSW right? Spurs still have Gasol who can punish on the block and most importantly Westbrook/Green/Leonard back court. Plus you keep Spurs legends (Manu,Parker) and your favorite toy Anderson will still be on the team.

Parker isn't getting traded. Maybe neither will LMA but Spurs IMO aren't trading a HOF, jersey in the rafter player instead of a FA they signed a year ago who hasn't been the perfect fit.

[Obstructed_View]

That tweet is clearly using "stash" as a noun, not a verb.

I think their autocorrect replaced the word "trash".

[sasaint]

It's a lateral move at best and goes into the super risky basket. We lose Russ and don't have LMA the following season and can't convince anyone to join the Spurs bc we did LMA like that.

The more I think about this the more I don't like it. I'd only trade Tony and prospects/picks and even that I don't like. Spurs won't trade anyone. Likely they talk to him next off-season like they did with Durantula.

I think people are over-estimating what Presti can reasonably expect to get for Westbrook. There is a very small pool of teams for which interest in Westbrook would be reciprocated. Of those, I am not sure how many would be in a position to work a deal to acquire him. Finally, how many would be willing to take him as a potential one-year rental? As long as the Spurs are unwilling to divorce Tony, they would not benefit greatly by acquiring Westbrook. On the other hand, if we can move Tony and a spare part or two for Russ, then even if he turns out to be a rental, we would have far more latitude next off-season.

[SpursFan86]

The discussion about trading for Westbrook is still going on? :lol Guess it's that time of the offseason...

[Chinook]

Parker isn't getting traded. Maybe neither will LMA but Spurs IMO aren't trading a HOF, jersey in the rafter player instead of a FA they signed a year ago who hasn't been the perfect fit.

Of course they'd trade Parker first. They aren't trading LMA because he's straight-up better than Parker and moving him defeats the purpose of acquiring Westbrook at all. This has nothing to due with loyalty. If the Spurs are deciding to horsewhip this roster to a title, they aren't putting Tony at the top of their priorities.

[Chinook]

The discussion about trading for Westbrook is still going on? :lol Guess it's that time of the offseason...

Wait, so in a world where Jimmer Freddette has a 100-page thread, you are wondering why people are still talking about the odds of acquiring the first top-five players available for trade since pretty much a decade ago?

[coachmac87]

Of course they'd trade Parker first. They aren't trading LMA because he's straight-up better than Parker and moving him defeats the purpose of acquiring Westbrook at all. This has nothing to due with loyalty. If the Spurs are deciding to horsewhip this roster to a title, they aren't putting Tony at the top of their priorities.

Of course they'd waive Matt Bonner...I think you're underestimating the Spurs loyalty to players who's been around for 10+ years. And Parker still is 1,000,000 times better the player than Bonner. And AGAIN if OKC would take Parker or you can find a third team fine...but good luck!

Reminder Spurs just paid 14M to a 39yr old who didn't average 10pts per game

[SpursFan86]

Wait, so in a world where Jimmer Freddette has a 100-page thread, you are wondering why people are still talking about the odds of acquiring the first top-five players available for trade since pretty much a decade ago?

I just don't think a Westbrook-to-SA trade is realistic enough to even warrant a discussion. Maybe I'm just being cynical, but he's not coming here. Might as well talk about trading for LeBron.

[tdunk21]

I just don't think a Westbrook-to-SA trade is realistic enough to even warrant a discussion. Maybe I'm just being cynical, but he's not coming here. Might as well talk about trading for LeBron.

this

[Chinook]

Of course they'd waive Matt Bonner...!

They probably thought he was better than Butler (he outplayed him in those last couple of games). The real issue is that they didn't know that Martin was so damned awful.


And AGAIN if OKC would take Parker or you can find a third team fine...but good luck!

Again, if OKC says, "We want LMA or else! >:0" You tell them to fuck off. Russ isn't worth Aldridge, and there are other paths to improve the roster than acquiring Westbrook.

[Chinook]

I just don't think a Westbrook-to-SA trade is realistic enough to even warrant a discussion. Maybe I'm just being cynical, but he's not coming here. Might as well talk about trading for LeBron.

I don't think it's a matter of cynicism. Westbrook doesn't have to choose the Spurs. OKC does, and they will if the Spurs make the best offer. Now, if you're pessimistic that the Spurs will be able to do so, well, you're hardly alone. But as I've said before, I have little interest in debating what PATFO will do. I'm more keen to wonder what they SHOULD do, and to that end I feel that weighing the risks and rewards of going for that trade is valid, at least as much so as the Durant-to-SA speculation was.

[Ron Swanson]

Dirk is getting 2/50 from the Mavs.

[T Park]

I'd wager a guess for Westbrook would be Murray, Danny Green, Bertans if we want the Spurs to fleece.

Most likely though OKC asked for Kawhi Leonard and it ended there. Can't give up a perennial all star top five player for filler.

[K...]

I'd wager a guess for Westbrook would be Murray, Danny Green, Bertans if we want the Spurs to fleece.

Most likely though OKC asked for Kawhi Leonard and it ended there. Can't give up a perennial all star top five player for filler.

When Westbrook has all but stated he's leaving okc has no bargaining power. We're going to see one of two things: a talent rich team gives a medium sized offer (Celtics for example) or fire sale offer from a contender.

The spurs scraps look crappy but not when compared to losing west for nothing.


Okc can't get fair value from Westbrook because he won't stay with a team that trades fair talent. It's not in his interest to facilitate this trade when he is going to be a few free agent

[coachmac87]

They probably thought he was better than Butler (he outplayed him in those last couple of games). The real issue is that they didn't know that Martin was so damned awful.



Again, if OKC says, "We want LMA or else! >:0" You tell them to fuck off. Russ isn't worth Aldridge, and there are other paths to improve the roster than acquiring Westbrook.

Cmon Chinook. We both know why Bonner stayed and it wasn't because of his performance of a player.

And be honest with yourself..Do you think the Spurs have a chance against GSW with the way the team is now?

[Chinook]

Cmon Chinook. We both know why Bonner stayed and it wasn't because of his performance of a player.

It's not my fault you don't seem to be remembering last year correctly. The Spurs held off on the Martin signing for a randomly long time to give Bonner and Butler a few games to compete. Bonner won handily. STers hate him, but Matt still has value when in form.


And be honest with yourself..Do you think the Spurs have a chance against GSW with the way the team is now?

Yes. And they'll be able to have a better one with improvements to their back court, so long as they keep their front court the way it is.

[r0drig0lac]

The discussion about trading for Westbrook is still going on? :lol Guess it's that time of the offseason...

[tonight...you]

One of the main reasons LMA signed with the Spurs was so that he could be close to his child(ren?) and family.
If this team outright trades him to someplace else, that's a pretty big middle finger to a star player.

This team doesn't get too many star players as it is and a shitty move on one of the only ones to choose them would look really bad.
Not only are you trading him, but you're shipping him away from the reason he came to begin with.

I just don't see a way they pull that stunt when they preach "family" to everybody with two ears.

[I. Hustle]

I'd wager a guess for Westbrook would be Murray, Danny Green, Bertans if we want the Spurs to fleece.

Most likely though OKC asked for Kawhi Leonard and it ended there. Can't give up a perennial all star top five player for filler.

Agreed. OKC should just lose him next year and get absolutely nothing in return. Why waste time with potential talent now when you can just have holes next season?

[raybies]

Agreed. OKC should just lose him next year and get absolutely nothing in return. Why waste time with potential talent now when you can just have holes next season?

Would rather trade Anderson and keep Murray :stirpot:

Anderson, Green, and Bertans plus first for one year rental to get those bird rights. Chinook makes some good points as far as it not setting us back too far. No ones gonna want a rental, so we can corner that market. If we trade for him we can keep Pau. If we sign him as a free agent we can't afford Pau. I'm in.

Edit: imo if I'm OKC Murray has to be in any deal. Just hate to lose him. I expect talk to pick up in September or later August before training camp. They have to first exaust there Blake interest.

[SAGirl]

Dirk is getting 2/50 from the Mavs.

Good for him. He deserves his legacy contract just as much as Manu right now. He waited and gave that franchise all chances to get a better roster since 2011 and this is what they have come up with. I have a lot of respect for Nowitzki.

[raybies]

Good for him. He deserves his legacy contract just as much as Manu right now. He waited and gave that franchise all chances to get a better roster since 2011 and this is what they have come up with. I have a lot of respect for Nowitzki.

He's getting more than kobe in his last contract. I wonder why it's perceived so differently.

[apalisoc_9]

He's getting more than kobe in his last contract. I wonder why it's perceived so differently.

Dirk actually sacrificed prior...What has kobe done?