Official 2016 Spurs Offseason Thread

[GSH]

It was a friendly nudge intended for ElNono (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8054), known Kyle troll, that his favorite player could have chosen different teammates but at a cost to his pocket. All things considered, perhaps Kyle wasn't such a bad teammate after all if Manu could get paid. I intend to remind Nono about this every time he whines through the season about the bench.


:lol I knew what you were doing. One of my eyes is sort of twitching at your logic, but I have to give you an A for effort.

So if Kyle plays good, you win? But if he plays badly, Nono can't complain - because Manu picked him in a backhand sort of way? It's a two-headed coin.

[ace3g]

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/Signings-help-Spurs-get-younger-more-athletic-8379446.php?t=5067a309f3bc83a41f&cmpid=twitter-premium

Take it for what it's worth, article says Bertans is 2 yrs - 4 million

[SAGirl]

I don't like Anderson either. Hate him for being good enough to give me hope, but not good enough to give me comfortable optimism . He's stuck in that area.
:lol I like creativity in words lol
:toast

It's actually better that you remain in that gray area. He needs to show up, I will be the first to admit that. And as much as I am nudging Nono about Manu, I am actually glad Manu got paid bc I can tell you, it would probably have been too much, too soon, to dump the bench burden on his shoulders with no veteran presence, which is what would have happened without Manu (Mills is not a better player than Kyle IMO, he's a better shooter, but you take that away and Mills has no value, Kyle has value even when he is not shooting bc he can impact the game in many other ways and he demonstrated it with how much he played last season on low usage and contributing in a lot of categories beside taking shots. Once he starts having an offensive impact, he will be incredible for the team IMO). But I digress, the point is that it would have been too much too soon to put the bench burden on his shoulders when he is still getting adjusted to the NBA himself, since he played so little in the NBA his first season.

In this context, I see Manu as much needed help, support and hopefully mentor for all the youngsters and his contract is well deserved and he will likely earn it. Ideally the young guys grow and can do more and more as the season goes along, but I do believe they will need Manu.

[Chinook]

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/Signings-help-Spurs-get-younger-more-athletic-8379446.php?t=5067a309f3bc83a41f&cmpid=twitter-premium

Take it for what it's worth, article says Bertans is 2 yrs - 4 million

Provided that Arcidiacono and Forbes got min-exception deals, I think the team was close enough to the cap to get that done. The actual math I got was just over $3.5M/2, but we don't know how much Gasol is going to make.

[Keepin' it real]

Austin. Born and raised, and still living here. Spurs are my team because they were always my team. But I didn't care about the intellectual aspect of sports until I was an adult. I went away from college and didn't get to watch the games, so I had to read about them instead. Changes your perspective.

Jealous, you can eat Conan's Pizza whenever you want.

[ElNono]

It was a friendly nudge intended for ElNono (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8054), known Kyle troll, that his favorite player could have chosen different teammates but at a cost to his pocket. All things considered, perhaps Kyle wasn't such a bad teammate after all if Manu could get paid. I intend to remind Nono about this every time he whines through the season about the bench.

Past the schticks, I love my Spurs, and Kyle is a Spur... I'm gonna bitch and complain throughout the season in countless game threads about him, and many other Spurs (except Manu), but it's just heat of the moment stuff... I want everyone to do well.

Heck, you've been here long enough, you know the drill...

[SAGirl]

:lol I knew what you were doing. One of my eyes is sort of twitching at your logic, but I have to give you an A for effort.

So if Kyle plays good, you win? But if he plays badly, Nono can't complain - because Manu picked him in a backhand sort of way? It's a two-headed coin.
You know, all season we will go back and forth bc a young guy like Kyle will have good games and bad games. I would not expect consistency of him until he reaches a level ... like Pop did with Kawhi who was inconsistent early, and it wasn't until he reached a level that Pop said, now you have to do that nightly. So fandom will wax and wane around here. And Manu will be the same waxing and waning, bc old fart that he is he will have good and bad games too. Hopefully these two don't combine to have bad games together. Manu is Kyle's mentor all things considered. Totally different games but in terms of role as a leader they need to have a similar mentality. As Nono acknowledged Manu has only had good words to say about Kyle. I am sure Nono won't be convinced until Kyle shows balls and wins us some games in the playoffs lol As a real team fan, is anyone hoping he really flunks us? The team is really invested in his development at this point. I think personally this friendly bantering at this point will continue bc Nono won't stop trolling :lol But a real team fan won't be hoping to win on this by hoping Kyle totally screws the team over.

[Keepin' it real]

:pctoss :pctoss :pctoss

:depressed :bang :wow :ihit :lol

[Keepin' it real]

I don't know ... RC expects him on the roster ...

It's a mystery.

He has to say that. Can't come out and say "We're gonna cut him."

[Kikoluna]

What the he'll are some of you smoking? Kyle is TERRIBLE and a huge Weakness in our team. He has potential to play in the Mexican league. If lucky.

[cjw]

They're feeling the Summer League hype right now, but they'll come back when he plays in an NBA game against NBA players

But also surrounded by NBA players on your own roster and in a completely different role. I like Simmoms in a much lower usage role. When he turned into Summer League Harden... not so much

[r0drig0lac]

Tom Orsborn ‏@tom_orsborn
Buford didn't rule out Matt Bonner returning. #Spurs


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[K...]

Matt Bonner is a warm body. For the min you could do worse. I'd say He's a good locker room guy, but without Duncan we may need new leaders other than Bonner. Anyway, per par not worth the worry

[Chinook]

I'd take Bonner over Kevin Martin (and so I guess by extension DeMar DeRozan), but no one else. It's not even that he's all that bad of a player. Just cut that damned cord already.

[timtonymanu]

The Spurs cut Rasual Butler in favor of Bonner. I don't trust the front office's judgement anymore when it comes to Bonner. He's overstayed his damn welcome already. Time to move on from him like they were forced to do with Timmy. You still have Tony and Manu on the team to stroll down memory lane, tbh.

In fact, why isn't he begging Boston to sign him since he said he wanted to finish his career there? Just get the fuck off the Spurs already. :lol

[cutewizard]

I do not understand the profusion of guards right now for the Spurs.....

[K...]

The Spurs cut Rasual Butler in favor of Bonner. I don't trust the front office's judgement anymore when it comes to Bonner. He's overstayed his damn welcome already. Time to move on from him like they were forced to do with Timmy. You still have Tony and Manu on the team to stroll down memory lane, tbh.

In fact, why isn't he begging Boston to sign him since he said he wanted to finish his career there? Just get the fuck off the Spurs already. :lol

Do you remember when we lost against okc because our bigs suck? Matt Bonner is a big. Are you suggesting it's a bad call not to dilute the teams big man depth? I think that's a fair call for a team. I'm not suggesting Bonner is any good, just that he plays a position of need.


Again, he'll be the sixth or fifth big.. I would say ljc plays more minutes in all likelihood.

[K...]

I do not understand the profusion of guards right now for the Spurs.....

At least two are going to Austin, Murray and arcy most likely. But maybe also Forbes.

[loveforthegame]

We can move on from Duncan but not Bonner.

[montgod]

Kevin Seraphin has been offered to FC Barcelona.

[TheGreatYacht]

:pop: RC, I think we need to keep Bonner so he can teach Bertans the ropes

[ernest787]

KA is not a better player than Patty.

He COULD be a better player if things click. Patty has proven to be a NBA player and was a key rotational player on the bench that lead a team to a championship.

KA has played well against D-League scrubs. Until he has shown that he is an NBA player, it's crazy to say he's better than Patty. Right now all KA has is upside.

[K...]

KA is not a better player than Patty.

He COULD be a better player if things click. Patty has proven to be a NBA player and was a key rotational player on the bench that lead a team to a championship.

KA has played well against D-League scrubs. Until he has shown that he is an NBA player, it's crazy to say he's better than Patty. Right now all KA has is upside.

One is getting better, the other getting worse. Sometimes you bet on the hot hand,, but mostly they pay different positions, but I would say both are worth an early second rounder at best. Mills contract is trade friendly and mills has a very replaceable skill set.


So Idk if you just value shooting mills> Kyle, but everything else Kyle> patty

[ducks]

Philly offered $16m-$17m...that's a $3m discount. Thank you Manu.
and it still cost the spurs boban

yes I know they had bird rights but they had to be under the tax threshold and had to stay in line with the budget owner set

[picnroll]

Spurs still had money under the luxury tax to make an offer nearly equivalent or equivalent to Detroit's on Boban I believe, even wit Manu's deal. Maybe they just didn't want Boban at that price or for that long a commitment as it looks like there targeting money for 2018-19 at this point.

[tbdog]

They didn't have bird rights on Bobon, so they couldn't really match, and I am not sure what the Arenas provisions rule provides. As far as I know, they chose Gasol instead.

[picnroll]

They didn't have bird rights on Bobon, so they couldn't really match, and I am not sure what the Arenas provisions rule provides. As far as I know, they chose Gasol instead.
So how is it Manu cost the Spurs Boban rather than Gasol?

[HankChinaski]

They didn't have bird rights on Bobon, so they couldn't really match, and I am not sure what the Arenas provisions rule provides. As far as I know, they chose Gasol instead.

They made a qualifying offer which made him a restricted free agent. So they could have matched the offer sheet. It looks by all appearances that the front office is looking at having cap room 18-19. I just have too many question marks whether he is worth that much money with the flaws in his game.

[cutewizard]

i wonder if Pop can experiment with Kyle as the starting point guard, for some games only

what do you think guys?

[Chinook]

They made a qualifying offer which made him a restricted free agent. So they could have matched the offer sheet.

It doesn't quite work that way. You have right of first refusal by extending a QO, but you still need some way to afford the contract you're matching. Most RFA's have Bird rights (and most Arenas players had early Bird rights), so their teams could match them without thinking. Boban was a non-Bird Arenas RFA, so once the got to a certain salary threshold, they lost their actual ability to match offer sheets.

[Ice009]

They made a qualifying offer which made him a restricted free agent. So they could have matched the offer sheet. It looks by all appearances that the front office is looking at having cap room 18-19. I just have too many question marks whether he is worth that much money with the flaws in his game.

Why 2018-19? Why not next season? or is there too many contracts on the books for next season?

[HankChinaski]

It doesn't quite work that way. You have right of first refusal by extending a QO, but you still need some way to afford the contract you're matching. Most RFA's have Bird rights (and most Arenas players had early Bird rights), so their teams could match them without thinking. Boban was a non-Bird Arenas RFA, so once the got to a certain salary threshold, they lost their actual ability to match offer sheets.

Yeah I should have probably clarified further. I meant to say they could have matched but it was a decision of whom to bring back and the Spurs made their decision with Gasol an Dedmon. Which I though makes the most sense. It does leave the team a little thin at the 4 an 5 but it looks better than having Diaw, West, Boban, Bonner off the bench with those two additions.

I just can't see the front office justifying that contract for him.

[HankChinaski]

Why 2018-19? Why not next season? or is there too many contracts on the books for next season?

I would have to look back at the salary cap projections for increases and but I thought that is where it tapers off and settles. While there are some attractive free agents next season all the contracts on the books will be mostly cleared out that summer with the exclusion of Kawhi and Aldridge and Green I believe.

[gambit1990]

i wonder if Pop can experiment with Kyle as the starting point guard, for some games only

what do you think guys?
would like for pop to experiment with starting simmons over parker.

[gambit1990]

still down to start patty over tp too.

[MR-Clutch]

Jalen rose advising Westbrook to go to the Spurs.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=17082604&sf31039602=1

[gambit1990]

would give up some combination of anyone not named kawhi for westbrook + adams (if they both agreed to extend).

would give up parker, green, lma, and throw in a draft pick.

[gambit1990]

westbrook/manu/kawhi/bertans/adams or dedmon would be a really fun line up.

[Chinook]

would give up some combination of anyone not named kawhi for westbrook + adams (if they both agreed to extend).

would give up parker, green, lma, and throw in a draft pick.

Is this going to be your post this year that you constantly bump?

Those guys won't extend. Well, Adams might, but Westbrook definitely won't. And no, I wouldn't trade for Adams for what it would cost to get him.

[Jdspur20]

Would Parker, green, future 1st rounder be enough? Like Rose said, probably would have to get a third team involved.

[raybies]

We have nothing worth giving without losing either KL or LMA. It ends there. If we have any chance of getting him it would be through free agency. Only team he would resign with if traded would be the Lakers imo. He has the personality for Hollywood. I would much rather have an older cp3 then someone who hasn't gotten over himself and probably never will. And you don't have Duncan around to reign him in. Even George hill would be a better fit and would be a whole lot cheaper. You could keep Pau in this scenario.

[HankChinaski]

Westchimp is just want of those players I can never envision fitting into a Spurs System. He just doesn't seem like a guy that play within a system.

This isn't a knock on his ability. He is superior athlete, just not the kind of player I believe personally that will allow himself to be coached by a personality like Pop or the coach staff of the Spurs.

[cd021]

i wonder if Pop can experiment with Kyle as the starting point guard, for some games only

what do you think guys?
Backup PF looks to be his position right now, I am curious to know if Pop will let him run some offense with the seconds unit or given him the freedom to grab a defensive board and bring the ball up the court in transition.

[CGD]

I saw there is no Mulitinov, any word on LJC?

[gambit1990]

Those guys won't extend. Well, Adams might, but Westbrook definitely won't. And no, I wouldn't trade for Adams for what it would cost to get him.
well that's fucking stupid. if both agreed to extend and overpaying adams means getting westbrook, you do that.

[Jdspur20]

well that's fucking stupid. if both agreed to extend and overpaying adams means getting westbrook, you do that.

Without a doubt

[coachmac87]

Is this going to be your post this year that you constantly bump?

Those guys won't extend. Well, Adams might, but Westbrook definitely won't. And no, I wouldn't trade for Adams for what it would cost to get him.


Would you trade LMA/Mills and picks for Westbrook and McGary?

Team would look like so

Westbrook/Parker/Murray
Green/Manu/Simmons
Kawhi/Anderson
Pau/Bertans/LJC
Dedmon/McGary

Thoughts?

[TheGreatYacht]

westbrook/manu/kawhi/bertans/adams or dedmon would be a really fun line up.
That's a fucking losing lineup if I've ever seen one.

"Fun" lol

[Obstructed_View]

Backup PF looks to be his position right now, I am curious to know if Pop will let him run some offense with the seconds unit or given him the freedom to grab a defensive board and bring the ball up the court in transition.

Yeah, and it really looks like Pop's trying to shoehorn Simmons into Manu's end of quarter ball handing positions. I hope that experiment is given up sooner rather than later. Anderson clearly looks like they're trying to bulk him up for the PF spot, but he couldn't be worse than Simmons at running the offense.

[gambit1990]

That's a fucking losing lineup if I've ever seen one.

"Fun" lol
keep making yourself look stupid, it's what you do best.

[ducks]

without a extenstion with westrbook I would not include green

[cd021]

Why 2018-19? Why not next season? or is there too many contracts on the books for next season?

I'm still waiting to see the contracts for the 17-18 season but I assume Gasol would opt in given his age unless he wants to risk opting out for a one year pay raise. Mills is an FA but the Spurs have his bird rights

Parker
Green
Leonard
Gasol
Mills
Murray
Anderson
Bertans
Simmons

that's 9 players for $95.5 million (including cap hold for Mills, QA's for Anderson, and Simmons, TDs stretched salary, and Bertans making around $2 million)

I am not sure of Dedmons contract and whether it runs past this season or if LJC has guaranteed money past this season too but with the cap at $102 million (projected) it seems like the Spurs won't have much space unless Gasol retires or opts out an leaves more than $14 million on the table.

[SAGirl]

i wonder if Pop can experiment with Kyle as the starting point guard, for some games only

what do you think guys?
He might throw funky lineups out there just because... lol but Pops has been dead set that Kyle is a forward from the beginning it seems to me and now they need forwards who have an offensive game bc the lost Diaw and D west. He can be a playmaker from the forward spot, much as Manu is a playmaker from the SG spot. My 2¢

[ulosturedge]

Westbrook don't want to come here and he would be a terrible fit anyways. Unless he's turned over a new leaf that dude is a system killer. Especially not worth doing on a sign and trade deal as everyone has mentioned would inevitably include Kawhi or LMA. If he makes it to free agency next year then there might be something to talk about.

[TheGreatYacht]

keep making yourself look stupid, it's what you do best.
:cry Start Mills :cry fans.... :lol

[T Park]

Would Parker, green, future 1st rounder be enough? Like Rose said, probably would have to get a third team involved.

not even close.

OKC wants from Boston, Bradley, Olynyk, both of Brooklyn's lottery picks, and one other forward.

Boston offered everything but just one lottery pick and OKC shot it down.

[gambit1990]

:cry Start Mills :cry fans.... :lol
don't want parker starting. with mills starting the ball would be in kawhi's hands more.

[bklynspursfan]

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[NASpurs]

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[NASpurs]

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[TheGoldStandard]

Don't give up any assets. I doubt that Westbrook is going to commit long term to any team if they trade him to anyone for assets because most of the teams with assets have 0 chance of competing. Westbrook is not an idiot, he may act like an ass to the media and he may get wild at times but the dude is a walking triple double machine on a team that has only one other alpha on the team.

System killer? OKC runs no system whatsover.. The team was predicated on give the ball to westbrook or durant, set screens or clear out and get to spots for a shot if they can't score.

You wait for the end of this season, jettison Parker's 15m, renounce who you have to to clear space and bring him in to start.. Westbrook/Green/Kawhi/Adridge/?? is an amazing starting lineup that brings length and spacing..

[K...]

it'll be interested in seeing when okc caves and they will cave. They have relatively few options as the best contracts come from the worst cities.

[ElNono]

754084511542042624

Another year of Shaq going "birdman, birdman" :lol

[gambit1990]

Another year of Shaq going "birdman, birdman" :lol
ugh.

shaq should be replaced with brent barry. or even coach nick.

[cutewizard]

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2016/7/15/12200782/should-spurs-fans-be-okay-with-manu-ginobili-making-a-ton-of-money

[siraulo23]

the real OFFseason starts now :lol

this forum gon be quiet AF in terms of news for the next couple of months

[dabom]

Fathead is not better than Mills. :lol

[K...]

Fathead is not better than Mills. :lol

Yes he is. Mills has one skill and he's been bad at it.

Kyle dribbles better, defends better, passes better, isn't under sized.

You just a fan boy. Step up to the truth.

[K...]

Fathead is not better than Mills. :lol

By this end off season my boy Forbes gonna displace Patty.

[Kikoluna]

Yes he is. Mills has one skill and he's been bad at it.

Kyle dribbles better, defends better, passes better, isn't under sized.

You just a fan boy. Step up to the truth.
What are you drinking? Kyle is no where near patty, the guy is a disgrace to the organization

[K...]

What are you drinking? Kyle is no where near patty, the guy is a disgrace to the organization

This is the real world señor. You need to state a case. Kyle is a Swiss army knife. Patty is dull single knife.

Your judging a single dimension player against a budding point forward. This is like comparing Kobe to Duncan and citing Kobe scoring average. Don't be a Kobe fan

[dabom]

Yes he is. Mills has one skill and he's been bad at it.

Kyle dribbles better, defends better, passes better, isn't under sized.

You just a fan boy. Step up to the truth.

Pop would cut Fathead if it meant keeping Patty Mills. Fathead can't even play any fucking good playoff games. :lmao

[cutewizard]

I have an idea....if this season becomes an experimental one

why not start both Murray and Bertans:

Gasol at center, Lamarcus and Bertans at forwards, Kawhi and Murray at guards!!!

wwwwwwwoooooooooooo, counter intuitive

but now you got the strongest bench in the NBA:

Dedmon at center, another power forward and Danny Green at forwards

Parker and Manu at guards! who not????

[cutewizard]

Do we have a church for Bertans yet?????

[ElNono]

Actually, Patty could be a nice trade chip mid-season if he doesn't up his game. We need a better version of Patty than we had last season.

[dabom]

Actually, Patty could be a nice trade chip mid-season if he doesn't up his game. We need a better version of Patty than we had last season.

Patty is better than Manu at this point tbh. And I love Manu.

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

Do we have a church for Bertans yet?????

I believe so...something about a road side tent ministry I think...

[cutewizard]

This is going to be a very interesting season for the Spurs....

This is the "WINTER IS HERE" season.....wwwwwwwwwwwoooooooooooooooooo!

[cutewizard]

I believe so...something about a road side tent ministry I think...


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Master Kenobi, what do you think of the girl REY? hmmmmm

is she the reincarnation of Anakin?

[ElNono]

Patty is better than Manu at this point tbh. And I love Manu.

He should be, he's 27 after all. He deserved a pass last season for showing up against the Clipper the previous playoffs, IMO.

I love Patty too, but he does need to have a better season. I mentioned trade chip because he's in the last year of a reasonable deal, but frankly, looking at it again, with this market, you probably can't get shit for $3.5m, tbh

[dabom]

He should be, he's 27 after all. He deserved a pass last season for showing up against the Clipper the previous playoffs, IMO.

I love Patty too, but he does need to have a better season. I mentioned trade chip because he's in the last year of a reasonable deal, but frankly, looking at it again, with this market, you probably can't get shit for $3.5m, tbh

Top poster. Patty and Manu need each other. :tu

[John Petrucci]

Bertans highlights from first Summer League game :toast


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5gfj_j4U50

[eDizzle20]

Bertans highlights from first Summer League game :toast


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5gfj_j4U50
Wow! He moves extremely quick for his size and his shot is the same.

[cutewizard]

Guys, has THOMAS ROBINSON been signed by any NBA team yet?

[cutewizard]

Bertans highlights from first Summer League game :toast


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5gfj_j4U50

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Murray to Bertans, that was sick man!

best play in the SL tbh

[coachmac87]

Bertans highlights from first Summer League game :toast


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5gfj_j4U50

Deeeeeep range. Quick release and can do it all on the move.. He's a special type of shooter y'all.

[John Petrucci]

Deeeeeep range. Quick release and can do it all on the move.. He's a special type of shooter y'all.

Yep!! Favorite new Spur :bobo

He looks so damn comfortable shooting from so deep, and the lift as well.

[td4mvp2k]

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noel aint happening but i would try to get covington from them... mills + ljc trade...

[Leetonidas]

Bertans is going to be that random Euro player the Spurs sign that is pretty solid this season. 2013 was neal, 2014 was baynes, didnt have one in 2015 but marjanovic was good in 2016. Dude has a nice quick stroke and good range and he gets that shot off pretty quick. also he is nothing like Bonner he actually has some athleticism. I like him :tu

[kobyz]

I'm worried about his shotting mechanics, not look compact at all...

[timtonymanu]

Bertans is going to be that random Euro player the Spurs sign that is pretty solid this season. 2013 was neal, 2014 was baynes, didnt have one in 2015 but marjanovic was good in 2016. Dude has a nice quick stroke and good range and he gets that shot off pretty quick. also he is nothing like Bonner he actually has some athleticism. I like him :tu

:tu

[SAGirl]

He should be, he's 27 after all. He deserved a pass last season for showing up against the Clipper the previous playoffs, IMO.

I love Patty too, but he does need to have a better season. I mentioned trade chip because he's in the last year of a reasonable deal, but frankly, looking at it again, with this market, you probably can't get shit for $3.5m, tbh
He has a very replaceable skill set. Tiny shooters are a dime a dozen. A hungry young guy like Forbes might replicate him or even be better as he makes plays off the dribble and yet just bc he's unproven he's very cheap. Patty will get paid and maybe what he will cost won't be worth it. Some say in this latter stage of Manu's career a guard like Cojo who attacks the basket might have been the better fit with our bench. I believe guards who make plays off the dribble is what Pop was looking for in Dijon and Simmons. Mills is too limited to a chucker jumpshooter and it's unwise to build a bench around him with a diminished Manu or even a Manu who may retire next season. I think the Spurs are already looking a different way.

[GSH]

He has a very replaceable skill set. Tiny shooters are a dime a dozen. A hungry young guy like Forbes might replicate him or even be better as he makes plays off the dribble and yet just bc he's unproven he's very cheap. Patty will get paid and maybe what he will cost won't be worth it. Some say in this latter stage of Manu's career a guard like Cojo who attacks the basket might have been the better fit with our bench. I believe guards who make plays off the dribble is what Pop was looking for in Dijon and Simmons. Mills is too limited to a chucker jumpshooter and it's unwise to build a bench around him with a diminished Manu or even a Manu who may retire next season. I think the Spurs are already looking a different way.


I was calling for them to do exactly what GS did, to get McCaw. But after missing him, I wanted them to take a flyer on Fred Van Vleet. I think he'll make a solid backup PG, and they could have had him for next to nothing. Toronto just gave him partially-guaranteed money and invited him to camp. I wish the Spurs had done it. I don't know if any of you saw him in SL, but he kicked Kris Dunn's ass on some defensive plays. He's not flashy, but he's solid. Meh... he's also gone.

I posted on the Bonner thread, but I think the Spurs should look at getting Marcus Smart from Boston, and PG insurance. If Chip could help him with his shooting, he could be a good backup point. If Chip worked miracles with his shooting, he would be a steal.

[Fireball]

It will be interesting how hungry Patty is. In the championship season Sean could bring up the Tazmanian Devil shtick once or twice a game ... last season it happened like 5 times alltogether.
The hustle just was not there ...

[cutewizard]

The young Bertans is a deadlier shooter than the young Durant, this is just my stupid opinion, hahahahaha

[cutewizard]

Just comparing, ey

Ok, so we know the young Durant can score:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l62rE2AjOPE

But Bertans......this guy can also stroke it, gentlemen:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L78jCaS-JXQ

and we all know our young archer can improve his touch under the shooting guru Engelland! So, itll be interesting how he develops.

[cutewizard]

And Davis Bertans is way more handsome than the ugly fu--er Durant!

lol

[kobyz]

Report: Kevin Garnett leaning towards retirement...

[cutewizard]

Report: Kevin Garnett leaning towards retirement...


End of an Era with the retirement of Timmy and Garnett.......

[r0drig0lac]

Bertans is going to be that random Euro player the Spurs sign that is pretty solid this season. 2013 was neal, 2014 was baynes, didnt have one in 2015 but marjanovic was good in 2016. Dude has a nice quick stroke and good range and he gets that shot off pretty quick. also he is nothing like Bonner he actually has some athleticism. I like him :tu

it will be much better, he is already the best shooter and one of the three most athletic guys in the roster

[cutewizard]

it will be much better, he is already the best shooter and one of the three most athletic guys in the roster

Larry Bird Lite (Bertans) and Magic Johnson Lite (Kyle) =========== NBA Title!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jermaine]

----------------------------------------------

Murray to Bertans, that was sick man!

best play in the SL tbh

Serious man crush! If they put him at the 4 spot an run those Matt Bonner plays, he's gonna light it up. By AS break, all that GS automatically winning shit will be over. I fuckin like this dude. Bonner can groom him Teehee

[cutewizard]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2645833-davis-bertans-to-spurs-latest-contract-details-comments-and-reaction

[cutewizard]

https://www.facebook.com/nbauk/photos/a.130775990015.139753.77947265015/10154799610305016/?type=3&theater

[ceperez]

Larry Bird Lite (Bertans) and Magic Johnson Lite (Kyle) =========== NBA Title!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If these two characters play with the kind of fire that these legend had, Spurs surprisingly have a chance.

Spurs DEATH LINEUP: Anderson, Leonard, Bertans, Aldridge, Gasol - Nobody shorter than Leonard.

[siraulo23]

Larry Bird Lite (Bertans) and Magic Johnson Lite (Kyle) =========== NBA Title!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kyle is no Magic Lite, he's the homeless man version of Magic, same with Bertans to Bird :lol

[r0drig0lac]

Kyle is no Magic Lite, he's the homeless man version of Magic, same with Bertans to Bird :lol

yep..it's bizarre, if Kyle can become a Turkoglu and Bertans a poor man Regie Miller, it would be great

[cutewizard]

Kyle is no Magic Lite, he's the homeless man version of Magic, same with Bertans to Bird :lol


lol

Mabuhay po!

[Mr. Body]

Just comparing, ey

Ok, so we know the young Durant can score:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l62rE2AjOPE

But Bertans......this guy can also stroke it, gentlemen:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L78jCaS-JXQ

and we all know our young archer can improve his touch under the shooting guru Engelland! So, itll be interesting how he develops.

What's funny about Durant is he was super talented at Texas and couldn't win shit. He was super talented at OKC and couldn't win shit without Westbrook.

[CGD]

Sasha Kaun is getting waived. Is he any good (at least for 5th big man role)?

[TheGreatYacht]

Sasha Kaun is getting waived. Is he any good (at least for 5th big man role)?
No the 5th and 6th big men roles are reserved for Bonner and Jean-Charles. He also looks like a guy going thru a mid life crisis, just like Lorbek

[K...]

What's funny about Durant is he was super talented at Texas and couldn't win shit. He was super talented at OKC and couldn't win shit without Westbrook.

no one and done guy is going to win a ncaa champ without a stack roster. Durant is better than bertans bc he is much craftier at driving and mid range. As shooters bertans looks pretty good and if Warriors keep durant as a spot up shooter then suddenly Durant and Bertans looks like a wash. I doubt Kerr is that dumb though. We'll see.

[Mr. Body]

no one and done guy is going to win a ncaa champ without a stack roster. Durant is better than bertans bc he is much craftier at driving and mid range. As shooters bertans looks pretty good and if Warriors keep durant as a spot up shooter then suddenly Durant and Bertans looks like a wash. I doubt Kerr is that dumb though. We'll see.

Carmelo Anthony won his freshman year and that Syracuse team wasn't stacked. He was just incredible. Durant had Augustine as a sidekick and couldn't even make it out of the second round.

[djohn14]

Sasha Kaun is getting waived. Is he any good (at least for 5th big man role)?Kaun blows. He cant move at all, has 0 touch on his shot, and despite his large frame he can't even back someone down.

[BackHome]

Man our bench bigs suck. Nydoe is terrible who cares if he is seven feet if he can't play. Was really hoping that Lelane would improve but he has looked terrible in the summer league. Don't event get me started on Livio why are we wasting time on this scub? Stokes is to short and plays terrible defense. Liked the kid can't spell his name Noko? If we sign him just going to call him NoGo. This kid I like as a shot blocker rim protector add that he is the youngest of our bigs!!

[sasaint]

I was calling for them to do exactly what GS did, to get McCaw. But after missing him, I wanted them to take a flyer on Fred Van Vleet. I think he'll make a solid backup PG, and they could have had him for next to nothing. Toronto just gave him partially-guaranteed money and invited him to camp. I wish the Spurs had done it. I don't know if any of you saw him in SL, but he kicked Kris Dunn's ass on some defensive plays. He's not flashy, but he's solid. Meh... he's also gone.

I posted on the Bonner thread, but I think the Spurs should look at getting Marcus Smart from Boston, and PG insurance. If Chip could help him with his shooting, he could be a good backup point. If Chip worked miracles with his shooting, he would be a steal.

As you said, all trades we discuss are far fetched. But why wouldn't we try to fetch Rozier rather than Smart?

[SPURt]

No the 5th and 6th big men roles are reserved for Bonner and Jean-Charles. He also looks like a guy going thru a mid life crisis, just like Lorbek
http://euroleagueadventures.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/lorbek.jpghttp://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Cleveland+Cavaliers+Media+Day+4_llqIsaSeFl.jpg

[djohn14]

I think Dedmon will surprise a lot of folks this year. I look Forward to have a big that will finish strong around the basket, run the floor, and swat somebody.

[sasaint]

I think Dedmon will surprise a lot of folks this year. I look Forward to have a big that will finish strong around the basket, run the floor, and swat somebody.

Dedmon absolutely MUST be good in all the ways you mention. Plus, he has to learn to play without committing so many fouls. He is our third true big. He's gotta come through.

[dabom]

He has a very replaceable skill set. Tiny shooters are a dime a dozen. A hungry young guy like Forbes might replicate him or even be better as he makes plays off the dribble and yet just bc he's unproven he's very cheap. Patty will get paid and maybe what he will cost won't be worth it. Some say in this latter stage of Manu's career a guard like Cojo who attacks the basket might have been the better fit with our bench. I believe guards who make plays off the dribble is what Pop was looking for in Dijon and Simmons. Mills is too limited to a chucker jumpshooter and it's unwise to build a bench around him with a diminished Manu or even a Manu who may retire next season. I think the Spurs are already looking a different way.

Forbes ain't replacing Patty you stupid fuck. :lmao

You figure it out before spewing uneducated shit. :lol

[GSH]

As you said, all trades we discuss are far fetched. But why wouldn't we try to fetch Rozier rather than Smart?



Rozier really stepped up his game, and looked very solid in SL. After what I saw out of him, I would LOVE to see the Spurs pick him up. Based on a couple of comments, I think he's Ainge's boy.

He's also only costing them $2M this year, and the C's have two more years on his rookie contract, including the option year. I don't see any way of making a deal work that wouldn't cripple the Spurs somewhere else.

Look, I don't think Smart puts them over the top, or anything like that. At this point, the Spurs aren't likely to be able to get an impact player. It's all about incremental improvement, and shoring up the weaker areas as best they can. Forget everything else about Tony - he's got a huge amount of mileage on him. What happens if/when he has to sit for a while with an injury? (Hopefully a minor one - no jinxes today.) I think Smart could go a long way to keeping the second team offense running. And he gets to the rim and scores just enough, and draws quite a lot of fouls for the minutes he plays.

[sasaint]

Rozier really stepped up his game, and looked very solid in SL. After what I saw out of him, I would LOVE to see the Spurs pick him up. Based on a couple of comments, I think he's Ainge's boy.

He's also only costing them $2M this year, and the C's have two more years on his rookie contract, including the option year. I don't see any way of making a deal work that wouldn't cripple the Spurs somewhere else.

Look, I don't think Smart puts them over the top, or anything like that. At this point, the Spurs aren't likely to be able to get an impact player. It's all about incremental improvement, and shoring up the weaker areas as best they can. Forget everything else about Tony - he's got a huge amount of mileage on him. What happens if/when he has to sit for a while with an injury? (Hopefully a minor one - no jinxes today.) I think Smart could go a long way to keeping the second team offense running. And he gets to the rim and scores just enough, and draws quite a lot of fouls for the minutes he plays.

I agree with you about what Smart brings to the table. I just think Ainge has grossly misplayed/overplayed his hand UNLESS he can pull off a deal for somebody like Westbrook. He has two teams' worth of complementary players and one teams' worth of slots to fill. He needs to make some advantageous trades to deal more than one player for one in return, or he will have to cut some of those complementary pieces if he can't find any trade partners. Bonner for Smart is a no-brainier for everybody not named Popovich.

[djohn14]

Dedmon absolutely MUST be good in all the ways you mention. Plus, he has to learn to play without committing so many fouls. He is our third true big. He's gotta come through.

A lot is riding on him, but I think when he is on the floor with either LA or Pau he will be fantastic. I worry about him a little when he's paired with a Kyle, Bertins, or LJC...but we will see. I think come playoff time the guy is exactly what we would need out of a third big and could possibly give us 8 and 8 in the playoffs while being a good rim protector.

[TheGreatYacht]

http://euroleagueadventures.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/lorbek.jpghttp://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Cleveland+Cavaliers+Media+Day+4_llqIsaSeFl.jpg
:lmao

[SAGirl]

no one and done guy is going to win a ncaa champ without a stack roster. Durant is better than bertans bc he is much craftier at driving and mid range. As shooters bertans looks pretty good and if Warriors keep durant as a spot up shooter then suddenly Durant and Bertans looks like a wash. I doubt Kerr is that dumb though. We'll see.
I thought the same, Durant is a versatile scorer. If GSW uses him like Bertans they are fools (there's also rebounding, assists, steals and blocks, a whole other area of the game beyond the 3 point shot that Durant is better at too. When you combine it with his scoring that's an MVP).

[Chinook]

I bet Jordan respects Tim saying that than he does Kobe and Lebron for their kowtowing to him.

[SAGirl]

GSH I am sorry don't know Van Vleet. I think what you describe in him is what they were looking for in Arci. While solid Arci doesn't wow and it was tough for anyone not already signed in this summer league team to shine anyways bc I think the Spurs were really interested in seeing the guys in the rotation to see if they improved first. On top of that this summer team coincided with rookies like Bertans and Murray who are very talented, so it was going to be tough for any roleplayer to even do much, and Arci was solid but just OK in comparison.

I just want to clarify that my statement wasn't a jab at Patty but I thought last season Pop was starting to turn the bench to him. He was very high usage, sometimes took triple the shots as anyone else not named Manu in the bench. His defensive deficiencies are well noted. They are not a lack of effort or hustle. There's just not much more he can do with his size and physical tools. He's clearly a tiny shooting guard and one that doesn't slash. I suppose if the Spurs keep a SG as a playmaker as a trend like Murray or Simmons off the bench it could work, but in no way should the Spurs overpay for Mills next off-season when he requires a specific roster and players next to him to shine and he has the skill set easiest to replace among all his teammates.

As for Smart , I like your idea.I think the problem is that Ainge has proven to be such a greedy motherf*cker that he thinks he has all the leverage in his trades and unless we give up an arm and a leg, he won't send Smart here. He won't take Patty for example. He's going to want a pick, Bertans and Anderson. Bertans bc they need shooters, a forward like Bertans who can shoot would be enticing but not sufficient bc he's unproven with a questionable medical history. He'll want Anderson too bc with the loss of Evan Turner they need playmakers and Anderson all of a sudden shooting that 3 was also interesting. So he won't be happy with just the one prospect. Then on top of that he will want a pick. It will be sufficient for RC to send him to bell. Lol anyways that's how I picture those trade conversations going.

[SAGirl]

I agree with you about what Smart brings to the table. I just think Ainge has grossly misplayed/overplayed his hand UNLESS he can pull off a deal for somebody like Westbrook. He has two teams' worth of complementary players and one teams' worth of slots to fill. He needs to make some advantageous trades to deal more than one player for one in return, or he will have to cut some of those complementary pieces if he can't find any trade partners. Bonner for Smart is a no-brainier for everybody not named Popovich.
Good accurate description of Ainges situation. I think at this point other teams don't want to help him in that quest either bc be will get greedy and not give up enough for a star or an established player. Those were the rumors anyways.

[sasaint]

Good accurate description of Ainges situation. I think at this point other teams don't want to help him in that quest either bc be will get greedy and not give up enough for a star or an established player. Those were the rumors anyways.

At this point it would be foolhardy for any FO to bail him out before training camp cut deadlines.

[loveforthegame]

RIP Nate Thurmond.

[sasaint]

RIP Nate Thurmond.

A grossly under-appreciated GREAT!

[SD126]

A grossly under-appreciated GREAT!

Understatement

[Nathan89]

Forbes ain't replacing Patty you stupid fuck. :lmao

You figure it out before spewing uneducated shit. :lol

Maybe not but the Spurs aren't going to pay Patty Mills. He's going to be offered a contract like all of our other role players and the Spurs are going to let him go.

[beirmeistr]

fwiw, nbatv schedulw shows replay of 2005 nba finals game 7 at 3 pm central today

[Keepin' it real]

Ooh, Spurs vs. Suns game 1 from 2007 on NBA TV today at 4:30! Isn't that the Nash bloody nose game?

[BillMc]

fwiw, nbatv schedulw shows replay of 2005 nba finals game 7 at 3 pm central today

Not through the interational NBA site. Only the f'ning Starters again and again.. Anyone got a stream for this?

[picnroll]

Next year the draft is loaded with top notch PGs, 5 projected in the top ten on NBAdraft.net. There are several top PG that are free agents. Several teams are deep with 2 or 3 PGs as good or better than Mills. If things work out as hoped Murray will be starting PG and, like it or not, Parker will be the backup. Somebody cheap will be third PG

[cd021]

Maybe not but the Spurs aren't going to pay Patty Mills. He's going to be offered a contract like all of our other role players and the Spurs are going to let him go.

Not sure they will or won't but I expect his floor to be 4 years $50 million. It depends on how confident Murray will be ready to contribute after next season, if they think he is still a year away then maybe the Spurs bring Mills back because they have his cap hold and bird rights and he may be willing to take a discount to stay.

[Nathan89]

Not sure they will or won't but I expect his floor to be 4 years $50 million. It depends on how confident Murray will be ready to contribute after next season, if they think he is still a year away then maybe the Spurs bring Mills back because they have his cap hold and bird rights and he may be willing to take a discount to stay.

I think that's a high floor for Patty even with a cap increase. Regardless I don't think they offer what another team will offer. He's not good enough to be investing a significant amount of money in.

[kobyz]

Adrienne Payne could be add for a second rounder i think, not a fan of him at all, has big mental, focus problem playing the game, but maybe spurs belive they could devolep him...

[dabom]

I think Patty gets 36/4 year deal.

[dabom]

Dude can get his own. No system needed. He can translate anywhere else.

[BackHome]

If Pop stays Patty stays end of conversation!

[ulosturedge]

Patty has been kind of dissapointing post 2014. We'll see what happens in his contract year, but if the moneys not right I could see the FO letting him go and moving on.

[Spurs9]

http://euroleagueadventures.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/lorbek.jpghttp://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/p__/images/3/31/Pee-wee-herman_custom-c34e2d494f0d8ad6bef8e0242a4de7cf6ce8254d-s6-c30.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140115172706&path-prefix=protagonist

[Chinook]

Almost certainly Patty's last season as a Spur unless they give up on winning.

[K...]

Almost certainly Patty's last season as a Spur unless they give up on winning.

Forbes would have to flat out suck or get a bigger contract offer than mills. Really only if we win big does mills have a chance. He's destiny bonded with Manu and I don't know if he wants to be third banana in a Kyle, Simmons, Bertrans bench unit.

Maybe you can say the spurs wouldn't want to lose Simmons and Patty at once and will pick one. At that point it becomes a question of depth.

With Parker, Murray, and a likely free agent our trade acquisition for a pg mills has no role here.

[dabom]

Almost certainly Patty's last season as a Spur unless they give up on winning.

You also stated West should be our center. :lmao

Everyone here knows you have fallen down hard when SAGirl(troll) started showing around. :lol

[loveforthegame]

Brandon Bass to the Clippers.

[SpursFan86]

754254307156000769

Wonder if this tweet is accurate, or if the meaning got messed up in the translation (seems like a non-English speaker). Most people were predicting $1.5 million would be the yearly amount, not $1.5 million over both years.

[Emperor]

Almost certainly Patty's last season as a Spur unless they give up on winning.

I would trade Patty for MCW in a heartbeat. Right now the Spurs have almost a clear cut shot against GSW in WCF and as much as i like Patty, MCW would make Curry work on defense. We are not getting rid of Parker, but to have two younger back up 6'5 pgs who can get to the rim and play good enough defense with their length, that to me is what's more important. Their shooting isn't stellar, that we all know, but neither has Pattys been in the last two years.

[raybies]

Brandon Bass to the Clippers.

Another one of the books...

[NikosChelsea7]

754496532469153792

[raybies]

754496532469153792

[timtonymanu]

754496532469153792

Oh well.

[NikosChelsea7]

754497295664623617

[montgod]

754496532469153792

Makes me wonder who else Spurs are "strongly pursuing"..

[slick'81]

lol strongly pursuing and he signs for the vet min

[montgod]

lol strongly pursuing and he signs for the vet min

Pretty much all the contenders have left so they mean trying to convince to come aboard despite minimum. I am figuring Doc/Celtics connection along with already living in LA helped.

[K...]

You also stated West should be our center. :lmao

Everyone here knows you have fallen down hard when SAGirl(troll) started showing around. :lol

West played center more than anyone was happy about.

The idea was really about lma at center. Duncan back up center.

[NASpurs]

Terrence Jones signs for the minimum with New Orleans.

Acy Quincy signs for the minimum with Dallas.

Brandon Bass signs for the minimum with the Clippers.

:lol Spurs

[gambit1990]

754497295664623617
been saying this. glad he's still on the market.

[K...]

754254307156000769

Wonder if this tweet is accurate, or if the meaning got messed up in the translation (seems like a non-English speaker). Most people were predicting $1.5 million would be the yearly amount, not $1.5 million over both years.

Article also says we paid the buyout. So add that as 2 million paid.

[Emperor]

754496532469153792

It's simple. He prefers Los Angeles over San Antonio as a city. Can't blame him. Has nothing to do with basketball reasons unfortunately.

[tholdren]

It's simple. He prefers Los Angeles over San Antonio as a city. Can't blame him. Has nothing to do with basketball reasons unfortunately.
didnt want

[SAGirl]

754496532469153792
I mentioned this in a different thread but I think Spurs are not guaranteeing playing time to any vets signed at this point. I think they fully aim to give Anderson his chance, they have Bertans as well who can divvy up time with him in case of injuries or whatever and these vets are probably being told they have to compete for the spot and that playing time will be matchup based or rest,injury based. It's speculation of course, but it could conceivably prompt someone in a vet min to go somewhere else provided the money is equal bc it wouldn't even be ring chasing in here. I think PATFO will have trouble getting guys like this.

[Kawhitstorm]

Terrence Jones signs for the minimum with New Orleans.

Wanted to start & play w/ his college teammate (Davis).


Acy Quincy signs for the minimum with Dallas.

Wanted consistent minutes


Brandon Bass signs for the minimum with the Clippers.

Wanted to stay in LA.
:wakeup

[Kawhitstorm]

754497295664623617

Dat spacing w/ DD & T-Rob.:lmao

Would be the exact opposite of the Turd Towers on the boards though....:wow

At this point Amare is their best option as far as vets go since T-Rob surely wants GUARANTEED playing time so he can pad his stats.

7QohZKgCOmY

:lobt2:

[cd021]

I liked Bass, stinks Clips got him.

[Jdspur20]

Dat spacing w/ DD & T-Rob.:lmao

Would be the exact opposite of the Turd Towers on the boards though....:wow

At this point Amare is their best option as far as vets go since T-Rob surely wants GUARANTEED playing time so he can pad his stats.

7QohZKgCOmY

:lobt2:

For the 4th big he would be a solid pick up

[cd021]

I think that's a high floor for Patty even with a cap increase. Regardless I don't think they offer what another team will offer. He's not good enough to be investing a significant amount of money in.

Deli got 4 Years $38 million. I think everyone that's watched the two play would say Mills is definitely the better player. Mills ,this year, probably could have gotten $50 million cap will jump $8 million, I think $50 million is fair price.

[raybies]

Deli got 4 Years $38 million. I think everyone that's watched the two play would say Mills is definitely the better player. Mills ,this year, probably could have gotten $50 million cap will jump $8 million, I think $50 million is fair price.

Delly is the much better all around player

[Spurs9]

Tyler Johnson gets 50million, and Brandon Bass commands only the minimum now? :lmao
:lol Todays NBA

[eDizzle20]

LJC not signed yet. Why? Any chance the Spurs don't sign him?

[loveforthegame]

I mentioned this in a different thread but I think Spurs are not guaranteeing playing time to any vets signed at this point. I think they fully aim to give Anderson his chance, they have Bertans as well who can divvy up time with him in case of injuries or whatever and these vets are probably being told they have to compete for the spot and that playing time will be matchup based or rest,injury based. It's speculation of course, but it could conceivably prompt someone in a vet min to go somewhere else provided the money is equal bc it wouldn't even be ring chasing in here. I think PATFO will have trouble getting guys like this.

We know the Spurs don't make promises but if this is their pitch they might as well sign Bonner and call it an off season. No vet, at the minimum, wants to hear they have to compete with Anderson and possibly Bertans for playing time. Or to be a glorified 5th-6th big man.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Too bad Maurice Harkless is a restricted free agent. His skillset will come in handy.

[From Downtown]

Are we really looking for a big now?

[SAGirl]

We know the Spurs don't make promises but if this is their pitch they might as well sign Bonner and call it an off season. No vet, at the minimum, wants to hear they have to compete with Anderson and possibly Bertans for playing time. Or to be a glorified 5th-6th big man.
And that why we don't have a vet signed IMO. I think even D west didn't like this. The only big that was perfectly fine with this was Boris.

[ceperez]

Tyler Johnson gets 50million, and Brandon Bass commands only the minimum now? :lmao
:lol Todays NBA

Teams gambling on potential over proven reliability.

[ceperez]

LJC not signed yet. Why? Any chance the Spurs don't sign him?

Odd indeed given that Bertans, Forbes and Arcidiacono were all announced by the the team.

[ceperez]

Are we really looking for a big now?

Very likely with only 3 of them in the roster and LJC being questionable.

My speculation is that Damien Inglis would be signed. The miss on Bass was the final blow.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Very likely with only 3 of them in the roster and LJC being questionable.

My speculation is that Damien Inglis would be signed. The miss on Bass was the final blow.

Inglis looks as slow as Kyle Anderson but without the skills or IQ.

[ceperez]

Inglis looks as slow as Kyle Anderson but without the skills or IQ.

Well, looks like vets are passing on Spurs for the minimum. What that tells me is that Spurs will be lucky to sign anyone worthwhile.

There are two frenchies that have not been picked up yet, that's Seraphin and Inglis. Seraphin is likely out of Spurs price range and likely will be picked up by the Knicks.

That leaves Inglis with nobody is talking about (after being waived by the Bucks).

[SAGirl]

Well, looks like vets are passing on Spurs for the minimum. What that tells me is that Spurs will be lucky to sign anyone worthwhile.

There are two frenchies that have not been picked up yet, that's Seraphin and Inglis. Seraphin is likely out of Spurs price range and likely will be picked up by the Knicks.

That leaves Inglis with nobody is talking about (after being waived by the Bucks).
I am inclined to think Spurs are looking at Cady. I didn't like Stokes he's such a skilled player but clearly not a big. No one else stood out in SL. Isn't Inglis comparable to LJC?

[Snaq O'Meal]

I am inclined to think Spurs are looking at Cady. I didn't like Stokes he's such a skilled player but clearly not a big. No one else stood out in SL. Isn't Inglis comparable to LJC?

Inglis is stronger, is a better ballhandler and has better feel for the game, while LJC is more athletic. Too bad you can't merge those two guys together.

[CGD]

Inglis looks interesting and probably better fit than Thomas Robinson, but it seems like they'd want to give LJC a shot first?

[ceperez]

Inglis is stronger, is a better ballhandler and has better feel for the game, while LJC is more athletic. Too bad you can't merge those two guys together.

Both still have a long way to got, but if you are going to start a project with LJC, you might as well also start a project with Inglis.

[From Downtown]

Very likely with only 3 of them in the roster and LJC being questionable.

My speculation is that Damien Inglis would be signed. The miss on Bass was the final blow.

I've got the feeling Arci and Forbes will make the time and they'll go with KA at the 4 full time, if we ever sign a big I think LJC doesn't make the roster

[Snaq O'Meal]

Inglis looks interesting and probably better fit than Thomas Robinson, but it seems like they'd want to give LJC a shot first?

I'd sign Inglis for the D-League and see how much he can develop from there.

[ceperez]

I'd sign Inglis for the D-League and see how much he can develop from there.

Damien Inglis is only 21 and he went through the same INSEP program as Parker and Diaw. There's no news on the guy, so I'm hoping that this is some secret plan by the Spurs ( and LJC is just a ruse ). See, the problem with LJC is that he's **Lazy**. Spurs like players that are hard working, that's why Dedmon was picked up. I can also say the same about the other rookies, Murray, Arcidiacono and Forbes. LJC rotted for years with ASVEL and he didn't build muscle nor build up any skills.

Speaking of Inglis ( keep this quiet though ), here are some videos:

Against NBA:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zptdBocfoP0

D-League Highlights:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZBy9IzanPY

In the right system, he's KL lite.

[SpursFan86]

At this point Amare is their best option as far as vets go since T-Rob surely wants GUARANTEED playing time so he can pad his stats.

7QohZKgCOmY

:lobt2:

I wouldn't mind Amar'e. Think he did fairly decent in Miami last year...seemed to buy in defensively, and he's still a very capable player on offense. Manu/Amar'e PnRs would be :wow as well.

[ceperez]

I wouldn't mind Amar'e. Think he did fairly decent in Miami last year...seemed to buy in defensively, and he's still a very capable player on offense. Manu/Amar'e PnRs would be :wow as well.

So, will he accept the minimum with the stipulation that he's not going to play a lot?

[Chinook]

Damien Inglis is only 21 and he went through the same INSEP program as Parker and Diaw. There's no news on the guy, so I'm hoping that this is some secret plan by the Spurs ( and LJC is just a ruse ). See, the problem with LJC is that he's **Lazy**. Spurs like players that are hard working, that's why Dedmon was picked up. I can also say the same about the other rookies, Murray, Arcidiacono and Forbes. LJC rotted for years with ASVEL and he didn't build muscle nor build up any skills.

Speaking of Inglis ( keep this quiet though ), here are some videos:

Against NBA:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zptdBocfoP0

D-League Highlights:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZBy9IzanPY

In the right system, he's KL lite.

Looks unimpressive as shit. Definitely isn't taking any minutes from Anderson, and probably not even Simmons. And even if he's better than LJC, I'd much rather gamble on Livio's cheap deal than mess around with Inglis

[SpursFan86]

So, will he accept the minimum with the stipulation that he's not going to play a lot?

He only played 14 mpg last season in Miami on a vet min deal. Not sure whether he'd be willing to do so for SA but I don't think it's out of the question.

[ceperez]

Looks unimpressive as shit. Definitely isn't taking any minutes from Anderson, and probably not even Simmons. And even if he's better than LJC, I'd much rather gamble on Livio's cheap deal than mess around with Inglis

Spurs have no choice but to scrape from the bottom . He isn't doing that well either in summer league, but maybe worth the gamble.

[picnroll]

I was hopefully for LJC but to my eye he was horrible, wouldn't even get much playing time in D-league. The only big that looked decent, and that was in very limited minutes and on D, was Nnoko.
fwiw Chinook's post mentioned Arci and Forbes but LJC was conspicuously absent.

[Kikoluna]

AMare , he's the best option. Start dedmon and have a 2nd unit Of: amare, pau, manu, mills Simmons (no kyle)

[r0drig0lac]

AMare , he's the best option. Start dedmon and have a 2nd unit Of: amare, pau, manu, mills Simmons (no kyle)
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smilol.gif

[Chinook]

I was hopefully for LJC but to my eye he was horrible, wouldn't even get much playing time in D-league. The only big that looked decent, and that was in very limited minutes and on D, was Nnoko.
fwiw Chinook's post mentioned Arci and Forbes but LJC was conspicuously absent.

No he wasn't. Not any more than Murray, Bertans or Anderson.

[NikosChelsea7]

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[Seventyniner]

754254307156000769

Wonder if this tweet is accurate, or if the meaning got messed up in the translation (seems like a non-English speaker). Most people were predicting $1.5 million would be the yearly amount, not $1.5 million over both years.

Contracts in Europe are generally reported in after-tax money iirc. Given the top tax rate of 40% for income over $400k in America and state jock taxes, $1.5M after tax over two years could very well be $1.3M per year against the cap.

[picnroll]

No he wasn't. Not any more than Murray, Bertans or Anderson.
If Bertrans, Murray and Anderson play no better than LJC the Spurs are truly in deep shit and might as well think about going full rebuild.

[intlspurshk]

Does David Lee commit to GSW? Is Josh Smith still alive? These are the remaining PF after Thomas Robinson and Amare.

[cd021]

Delly is the much better all around player

I'd disagree, Deli is probably a better play maker but not the shooter Mills. I think the rest is up for debate but if teams had their choice of a PG that can play off ball, they'd take Mills

[TheGreatYacht]

Damien Inglis? Now y'all are reaching like a motherfucker :lol

[MaNu4Tres]

Count me in for Inglis over LJC if money us equal.

[palangi]

I think some are too quick to dismiss LJC. I think we see rapid growth now that he is stateside. This is where he wants to be. Being in a professional franchise will help this kid tremendously. And as the 3rd PF there isn't huge expectations on him. Unless your some here who expect hall of fame play from end of the roster guys.

[ducks]

Rumor: J.R. Smith wants $15 million per year from Cavaliers







J.R. Smith will probably re-sign with the Cavaliers. But… Steve Kyler of Basketball Insiders: That request doesn’t seem so outlandish to me, but then again, I didn’t expect Smith to have such a hard time in free agency last summer. Simply, the capped-out Cavaliers have no mechanism to adequately replace Smith if he leaves. They can pay Smith big money, because they have his Bird Rights. They can’t just allocate it to an outside free agent. Can they — as a win-now team featuring LeBron James, who shares an agent with Smith — really afford not to appease Smith? This is starting to resemble the Tristan Thompson situation. Thompson, another Rich Paul client, didn’t sign until the fall, even as other
JR WANTS 15 million

[Chinook]

Marc Stein
✔@ESPNSteinLine (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)

Restricted free agent Miles Plumlee and the Bucks have come to terms on a four-year, $52 million deal, agent Mark Bartelstein tells ESPN.

So much for him being a bargain-bin big.

[tmtcsc]

I think the Spurs missed a great pick in Tyler Ulis. That kid is going to be good. He's competitive as hell and isn't afraid to take big shots. He's also quick and has terrific court vision. He would have been an immediate contributor. I guess the F.O. saw a bigger need in bringing in Murray. Perhaps he has more upside.

[Robz4000]

I think the Spurs missed a great pick in Tyler Ulis. That kid is going to be good. He's competitive as hell and isn't afraid to take big shots. He's also quick and has terrific court vision. He would have been an immediate contributor. I guess the F.O. saw a bigger need in bringing in Murray. Perhaps he has more upside.

Ulis is much more of a finished product; what you see now is basically what you're going to get. His skill set is great for a PG but his lack of height will keep his ceiling at Isaiah Thomas.

[AFBlue]

Does anyone know if Jason Thompson is still available? I always thought he was a poor man's version of LaMarcus and wondered how he'd have turned out if he hadn't been in Sacramento.

Any news or thoughts on him? Might be good as the fourth big.

[tbdog]

Well looks like Monroe will get traded. Hensen will split minutes at the center and Thon Maker will be the third center. Parker, Teletovic, and bit of Greek Freak will play the majority of the 4. So Monroe must be on the block. His contact isn't too bad comparing it to other contracts this season. Mozgov is getting paid 1mil less lol.

[coachmac87]

I think the Spurs missed a great pick in Tyler Ulis. That kid is going to be good. He's competitive as hell and isn't afraid to take big shots. He's also quick and has terrific court vision. He would have been an immediate contributor. I guess the F.O. saw a bigger need in bringing in Murray. Perhaps he has more upside.

Clearly more upside and more versatile. We're talking 6'4 in Murray with wingspan and Ullis is barley 6'0

[Kurik]

Clearly more upside and more versatile. We're talking 6'4 in Murray with wingspan and Ullis is barley 6'0

Ulis is barely 5'10.

[tav1]

Things will likely be quiet between now and training camp. The Spurs only need to add a final big to the roster, which is almost certain to be one of their camp attendees.

Something unexpected could happen with Westbrook that will breath new life into the trade market. So I guess it's wait and see there.

One of Okafor and Noel will be moved too. I see some posters suggesting Danny Green plus more assets for Noel, but this is backwards. Danny Green shouldn't traded, and he has more trade value than either of Noel or Okafor. I don't see the Spurs moving on Green for either player, straight up. Nor do I see an offer like Noel + Covington as enough to intrigue Spurs. Green plus a random camper is better for Spurs.

I don't think the team moves Mills, but if they traded a current rotation player for another big, Mills is the player the Spurs would move. But for whom? Aron Baynes? Walter Tavaras? Kyle O'Quinn? Jeff Withey? None of those trades make sense.

[tbdog]

Green fits a position and need. Noel may start of Gasol, but Gasol would get more minutes. So I wouldn't even really do a straight up trade.

[ismael-robert]

Tyler ulis topping rookie ladder
http://www.nba.com/2016/news/features/scott_howard_cooper/07/17/2016-17-rookie-ladder-summer-league-edition-4/index.html?ls=iref:nba:specials:homepage:t1

[Kawhitstorm]

Marc Stein
✔@ESPNSteinLine (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)

Restricted free agent Miles Plumlee and the Bucks have come to terms on a four-year, $52 million deal, agent Mark Bartelstein tells ESPN.

So much for him being a bargain-bin big.

:downspin:

[Kawhitstorm]

Ulis is much more of a finished product; what you see now is basically what you're going to get. His skill set is great for a PG but his lack of height will keep his ceiling at Isaiah Thomas.

Not only is Ulis short but he's also skinny unlike Isaiah who's built like a tank.

[cd021]

Things will likely be quiet between now and training camp. The Spurs only need to add a final big to the roster, which is almost certain to be one of their camp attendees.

Something unexpected could happen with Westbrook that will breath new life into the trade market. So I guess it's wait and see there.

One of Okafor and Noel will be moved too. I see some posters suggesting Danny Green plus more assets for Noel, but this is backwards. Danny Green shouldn't traded, and he has more trade value than either of Noel or Okafor. I don't see the Spurs moving on Green for either player, straight up. Nor do I see an offer like Noel + Covington as enough to intrigue Spurs. Green plus a random camper is better for Spurs.

I don't think the team moves Mills, but if they traded a current rotation player for another big, Mills is the player the Spurs would move. But for whom? Aron Baynes? Walter Tavaras? Kyle O'Quinn? Jeff Withey? None of those trades make sense.

Noel for Green is pretty lop sided, a prospect for a top 7 perimeter defender and 10 best shooters in the NBA. Spurs should have to have a lot of confidence in Simmons and a really like what they see in Noel going forward.

[tav1]

Noel for Green is pretty lop sided, a prospect for a top 7 perimeter defender and 10 best shooters in the NBA. Spurs should have to have a lot of confidence in Simmons and a really like what they see in Noel going forward.

Yeah. I see how my post, poorly worded as it is, could be misconstrued. I don't think Spurs should go anywhere near trading Green for Noel or Okafor without getting a lot more back in the deal.

[gambit1990]

Well looks like Monroe will get traded. Hensen will split minutes at the center and Thon Maker will be the third center. Parker, Teletovic, and bit of Greek Freak will play the majority of the 4. So Monroe must be on the block. His contact isn't too bad comparing it to other contracts this season. Mozgov is getting paid 1mil less lol.
wanted to trade tiago for henson a very long time ago. happy we got dedmon.

[palangi]

Things will likely be quiet between now and training camp. The Spurs only need to add a final big to the roster, which is almost certain to be one of their camp attendees.

Something unexpected could happen with Westbrook that will breath new life into the trade market. So I guess it's wait and see there.

One of Okafor and Noel will be moved too. I see some posters suggesting Danny Green plus more assets for Noel, but this is backwards. Danny Green shouldn't traded, and he has more trade value than either of Noel or Okafor. I don't see the Spurs moving on Green for either player, straight up. Nor do I see an offer like Noel + Covington as enough to intrigue Spurs. Green plus a random camper is better for Spurs.

I don't think the team moves Mills, but if they traded a current rotation player for another big, Mills is the player the Spurs would move. But for whom? Aron Baynes? Walter Tavaras? Kyle O'Quinn? Jeff Withey? None of those trades make sense.
I was in the trade Green at the start of the offseason crew. Especially if he was going to bring back a top 10 pick. But now it is a much scarier proposition. Because there isn't anything out there to replace him with. But if Philly was willing to do Green for Noel and Timothe Luwawu I might listen. Timothe is billed as a 3andD player. But he is very long and athletic. He also drives and finishes better than Green. But his shot has not been proven in the NBA like Greens.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-de-snNUOlQ

[ismael-robert]

Isaiah thomas has had time to bulk up ulis will have time to do same. If his ceiling is Thomas thats not a bad thing.

[tmtcsc]

Ulis is much more of a finished product; what you see now is basically what you're going to get. His skill set is great for a PG but his lack of height will keep his ceiling at Isaiah Thomas.

He's much quicker than Thomas. He's a terror on defense (SEC defensive player of the year) and a very tough cover on offense.

[San Antonio Slayer]

why do we need so many guards on the roster? are we going to trade Mills eventually?

[tmtcsc]

why do we need so many guards on the roster? are we going to trade Mills eventually?

I'd like at least one good pg.

[SAGirl]

why do we need so many guards on the roster? are we going to trade Mills eventually?
A possibility.

[Chinook]

why do we need so many guards on the roster? are we going to trade Mills eventually?

They don't really have that many guards on the roster.

[coachmac87]

why do we need so many guards on the roster? are we going to trade Mills eventually?

Preparing for him waking next year IMO

[coachmac87]

They don't really have that many guards on the roster.

Parker
Mills
Murray
Manu
Green
Simmons
Forbes
Archi

That's 8 including camp invites. Quality guards that's a different question lol

[K...]

Parker
Mills
Murray
Manu
Green
Simmons
Forbes
Archi

That's 8 including camp invites. Quality guards that's a different question lol

And that's fine for camp. 2 of those are Austin bound. So now you have 3pg, 3sg.

[Chinook]

Parker
Mills
Murray
Manu
Green
Simmons
Forbes
Archi

That's 8 including camp invites. Quality guards that's a different question lol

There are 20 camp slots. 8/20 is the same as 6/15, which is normal. And that's with you counting Simmons as a guard.

[cjw]

I don't think people were (or at least I wasn't) suggesting trading Green for Okafor or Noel. Suggestion was that trading anything less than Green doesn't get the Sixers excited. They're not trading those guys for a platter of Mills/Simmons/Anderson/or others. They'd rather take back draft picks that should be near the lottery or at the end of the lottery, which the Spurs also can't offer.

[szkorhetz]

Does anyone know if Jason Thompson is still available? I always thought he was a poor man's version of LaMarcus and wondered how he'd have turned out if he hadn't been in Sacramento.

Any news or thoughts on him? Might be good as the fourth big.
It would make too much sense, so I doubt it. :D

[Kikoluna]

Parker
Mills
Murray
Manu
Green
Simmons
Forbes
Archi

That's 8 including camp invites. Quality guards that's a different question lol

Who the f@$* is forbes?

[Mnky]

Well looks like Monroe will get traded. Hensen will split minutes at the center and Thon Maker will be the third center. Parker, Teletovic, and bit of Greek Freak will play the majority of the 4. So Monroe must be on the block. His contact isn't too bad comparing it to other contracts this season. Mozgov is getting paid 1mil less lol.

Greek freak is their pg.

[coachmac87]

Who the f@$* is forbes?

Bryn Forbes. Guard from Michigan St.

https://youtu.be/8gMszDx6CbA

[SAGirl]

No news on LJC yet or Cady.

[Mnky]

I think the Spurs missed a great pick in Tyler Ulis. That kid is going to be good. He's competitive as hell and isn't afraid to take big shots. He's also quick and has terrific court vision. He would have been an immediate contributor. I guess the F.O. saw a bigger need in bringing in Murray. Perhaps he has more upside.

Murray has Kawhi Leonard upside. Ulis has Isaiah Thomas upside. Give or take some aspects. Whether they amount to anything is to be seen. The tools and potential they have are what they are.

[tonight...you]

Greek freak is their pg.
That is insane. That kid is so blessed...
I'm looking forward to seeing how Milwaukee fares this season.

[Mnky]

That is insane. That kid is so blessed...
I'm looking forward to seeing how Milwaukee fares this season.

It is. There's a pretty cool video on YouTube about the experiment to play Greek freak as the pg. He started getting them triple doubles and the rest will be history.

[tonight...you]

It is. There's a pretty cool video on YouTube about the experiment to play Greek freak as the pg. He started getting them triple doubles and the rest will be history.
That's right. I remember now. Late in the season is when they started doing that to instant results.
Damn, I may have just found my new 2nd team...

[r0drig0lac]

Ulis is much more of a finished product; what you see now is basically what you're going to get.
who knows? (Imo will be better than Isaiah, he really is a playmaker)


- Noel or Okafor has more commercial value than green, and some speaking in add Covington or Luwawu ..lmao

[gambit1990]

https://i.imgur.com/RDCBtDe.png

[ace3g]

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Sources on @TheVertical (https://twitter.com/TheVertical): Oklahoma City has rescinded qualifying offer on Dion Waiters, allowing him to become an unrestricted free agent.

[raybies]

Anybody rumored to want him.

[Kawhitstorm]

Anybody rumored to want him.

Nytes were rumored to be interested in Waiters when the Heat/Blazers matched offers for Tyler Johnson/Crabbe.

[ace3g]

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Free agent Mike Miller has agreed to a two-year, $5M-plus deal to return to Denver, league sources tell The Vertical.