Official 2016 Spurs Offseason Thread

[K...]

He's getting more than kobe in his last contract. I wonder why it's perceived so differently.

Because Dirk never actively sabotaged his team, has been healthy,, hasn't actively prevented free agents from choosing Dallas, had previously given up money.....I could go on

[raybies]

Thanks, It was a genuine thought. I want trying to be snarky.

[look_at_g_shred]

Is Eric Bledsoe going to be a FA next summer?

[gambit1990]

dirk shoulda gone somewhere else.

[gambit1990]

the warriors have a 7 foot rookie... a 33 year old zaza, a 32 year old varejao... everyone else on the team is 6'9" or shorter. if zaza or varejao get hurt, west will get playing time at the center position. he will not be able to out rebound tristan thompson in the finals.

westbrook can attack their front court.

[RD2191]

Can we just move on from Westbrook (unrealistic) and focus on the fourth big that we need??

Yes, because we obviously work for the front office.

[SAGirl]

First, I think there are teams better positioned ot make an offer:

Milwaukee-Monroe, Jabari (might be a good moment to sell high on him still, dude is looking like a bust for a franchise player), any host of other guys not named Antetoukoumpo.
Boston-too many guys to name, can probably offer a pretty good package, because they have a surpluss already
Miami-Dragic
LA-Clarkson, a lot of other guys
Philly-a plethora of bigs
Spurs- old dudes Spurs are loathe to trade, or 1 guy in a good value contract in Danny + prospect and pick to sweeten deal.

Valuing the the tarde pieces is so subjective. Let's just sum it up this way: the guys we are trading are of more value to the Spurs than they are for OKC. Of the vets:

1. Tony or Manu (with his consent). HOF vets are at premium for Pop. Pop would rather retire than trade these guys. Manu lifetime achievement award recently proves it, and what about that Tony contract right? Pop isn't trading these guys.

2. Danny? Might be the best trade piece. He is still a roleplayer with a very limited skillset and who is really of value to an elite team with superstars already. Send Danny to a bad team and he'll be hot garbage sad to say. Probably needs to involve a third team to make this work for both Danny and OKC.

Of the young players, really only Anderson, Murray and Bertans have value and not as much to others as they do to the Spurs.

1. Bertans' injury history and not having played in the NBA yet, plus the fact he's got a limited skillset (is he going to be better than Anthony Morrow who is already a deadeye shooter but a bad defender and OKC already has in its roster?) doesn't make him that appealing. He's not a prize, let's just say. Yet he's a deadeye shooter we need in a super cheap contract and we can't replace him with dleague level talent. He has tremendous value for the current Spurs.

2. Murray might turn out to be a requirement for an OKC trade, yet he could just be an energy player with a pinhead of a brain for BBIQ and his lack of a winning history is concerning. A guy analytics hate, inefficient and TO prone. If he's the prize, there could be better guys to be had from OKC perspective, see all teams above ^. Yet for the Spurs, who are very patient with their draft picks' development, he might be the highest upside youngster they have with a skillset that they really need and him being that young, it's not unrealistic to expect significant improvement in the next 2-3 years. Raw as he is, he's definitely worth it to the Spurs. A 20 year old version of him can be had in JSimms but the upside and potential for improvement is not the same.

3. Anderson, may still be an engima for OKC and him being unathletic makes him unappealing. Unless you appreciate skill and brainy players you probably don't care much for him, and if you don't like him, that just means we don't have much to offer then. And yet, he's been of tremendous value to the Spurs. He was already playing 20 minutes per game just last season from Jan-April in a 67 win team. It's not a reach to say he's a rotation player at this point and at the very least would play those same 20 minutes next season, maybe more. He's a guy Pop has started to rely on and who can play 3 positions, thus filling in a lot of gaps through the season. A realized Anderson in a couple of years when he's 24 might be a truly apositional guy who presents problems for others, with 3 pt shooting, passing, and leadership. I don't think the Spurs want him to lose that quality of being able to play all positions. He has value to the Spurs and him being as unique as he is, you will not find a single guy out there that can do what he does in the dleague.

So bottom line: our guys are of a lot more value to us than they are to others and not easily replaced if they get gambled away and we strike out. Plus we lose a pick, plus a veteran.

Me no likey. :td Now if Russ were to guarantee he's going to reup with the Spurs that changes everything. but just a gamble? No. And there are teams out there that can gamble better.

[SAGirl]

I think people are over-estimating what Presti can reasonably expect to get for Westbrook. There is a very small pool of teams for which interest in Westbrook would be reciprocated. Of those, I am not sure how many would be in a position to work a deal to acquire him. Finally, how many would be willing to take him as a potential one-year rental? As long as the Spurs are unwilling to divorce Tony, they would not benefit greatly by acquiring Westbrook. On the other hand, if we can move Tony and a spare part or two for Russ, then even if he turns out to be a rental, we would have far more latitude next off-season.

I think he will get something, but he does need to lower demands. If Russ decides to cooperate with OKC by agreeing to an extension with the desitination team it changes things, but it's unknown what is in his mind. If Presti doesn't have his cooperation, he will have to lower demands, but will probably still get at least one pick and a player from some team IMO. Heck, Dallas overpaid for Rondo, sending a pick and rotation player to Boston. Russ can fetch at least that.

[Kawhitstorm]

Me no likey. :td Now if Russ were to guarantee he's going to reup with the Spurs that changes everything. but just a gamble? No. And there are teams out there that can gamble better.

The only feasible trade for WestBrick is Softridge along with say a Kyle for Sabonis swap. If WestBrick doesn't re-up then use the cap space on Blake & maybe George Hill. If Pau opts out then go after Nerlens Noel.

[SAGirl]

He's getting more than kobe in his last contract. I wonder why it's perceived so differently.
IMO, at least for me, Dirk gave the franchise good years and took less before to get chances at a better roster. At this point, they have done all they could for the roster and are not getting anyone better. I imagine if someone worth it like Durant was coming over, Dirk would take much less (like Manu and Tim did last season for LMA), but considering they are not getting anyone worth it, he's entitled to get his due (like Manu this season... $14 mill for Manu is about the same per game/minute as $25 for Nowitzki, he still starts and is their main scorer, or at least was last season. Sad to say for Dirk, Manu has a better team and more support. I am all for letting Dirk get his due. Without him, Mavs may not even be putting buts in seats.

[elemento]

Is Eric Bledsoe going to be a FA next summer?

no he still has 3 years remaining and no POs.

[Chinook]

I can't emphasize enough that Russ is not going to sign an extension with anyone no matter what (except in the absurdly rare possibility that some team has the cap space to give him a raise, but that's not really worth talking about). Assuming he signs a normal extension, the max he can get is $57.75M/3 ($19.25M APY). A new deal for Russ would be worth $131.1M/4 (non-Bird -- $32.78M APY ) or $176.54M/5 (Bird -- $35.31M APY). The difference is staggering.

[coachmac87]

I can't emphasize enough that Russ is not going to sign an extension with anyone no matter what (except in the absurdly rare possibility that some team has the cap space to give him a raise, but that's not really worth talking about). Assuming he signs a normal extension, the max he can get is $57.75M/3 ($19.25M APY). A new deal for Russ would be worth $131.1M/4 (non-Bird -- $32.78M APY ) or $176.54M/5 (Bird -- $35.31M APY). The difference is staggering.


Very true. But do you agree that even without extension he's worth trading for? IMO if team does pull trigger they'd have upper hand signing him in the summer

[Chinook]

Very true. But do you agree that even without extension he's worth trading for? IMO if team does pull trigger they'd have upper hand signing him in the summer

Of course he's worth trading for without an extension -- especially this far out from next summer. He's not worth quite as much as he would be, but he's still worth quite a bit. But no, with or without an extension, he's not worth Aldridge.

[SAGirl]

The only feasible trade for WestBrick is Softridge along with say a Kyle for Sabonis swap. If WestBrick doesn't re-up then use the cap space on Blake & maybe George Hill. If Pau opts out then go after Nerlens Noel.

As you can see, I am erring on being conservative. I guess we will see what is PATFO new philosophy from now on.

[Chinook]

As you can see, I am erring on being conservative. I guess we will see what is PATFO new philosophy from now on.

Wouldn't want that proposed trade anyway.

Westbrook, Green, Leonard, Sabonis, Gasol isn't better than the current lineup.

[coachmac87]

Of course he's worth trading for without an extension -- especially this far out from next summer. He's not worth quite as much as he would be, but he's still worth quite a bit. But no, with or without an extension, he's not worth Aldridge.

I didn't mention anything about Aldridge...

[Chinook]

I didn't mention anything about Aldridge...

In your heart you did.

[raybies]

I can't emphasize enough that Russ is not going to sign an extension with anyone no matter what (except in the absurdly rare possibility that some team has the cap space to give him a raise, but that's not really worth talking about). Assuming he signs a normal extension, the max he can get is $57.75M/3 ($19.25M APY). A new deal for Russ would be worth $131.1M/4 (non-Bird -- $32.78M APY ) or $176.54M/5 (Bird -- $35.31M APY). The difference is staggering.

Wow good work. Having his birds rights in Texas, should be a sizable advantage me thinks. Attractive organization, players, money. How much does locale mean to him? In my mind is LA but they are a few years away from contending even if they sign someone like Blake, somehow, they still are second tier. San Antonio with birds rights might be the best option all things considered. That's if we have enough to make a deal and if we want to give that much up for him. With how attractive out situation might be maybe you just wait for next year but then you can't afford Pau and he would have to be willing to a) take less or b) opt out for a new place. Trading for him would be much easier to have a better team then losing more and trading players to make room. Imo. Cause if you wait, you most likely lose Pau, and Danny. Manu retires, you lose Patty and maybe Simmons. But you have your youth and your picks.

So it depends I guess, what you want. I'm a little all over the place on the subject right now. Keeping Murray and Anderson without losing pick/picks does seem like the way to go though, cause either way Danny has to go, and we aren't gonna be able to afford patty anways and Simmons will probably be cheap again.

It comes down to Pau or youth. Trade or sign. Trade increases the odds of resigning him by how much I don't know.

But him coming here is viable imo. We are a very attractive situation right now. We have 20 years of glory, the model franchise, and our coaching and front office is second to none. Basketball wise we are the best option now that golden state has its players locked up. We should be very excited. Only thing going against us is locale but Westbrook is from a small market already and had learned to make due just fine so maybe locale isn't that huge on his list.

[coachmac87]

In your heart you did.

Hahaha naw man. But if Spurs/OKC deal happens I'll get last laugh

[coachmac87]

The only feasible trade for WestBrick is Softridge along with say a Kyle for Sabonis swap. If WestBrick doesn't re-up then use the cap space on Blake & maybe George Hill. If Pau opts out then go after Nerlens Noel.

Nope. It'd be Alrdige, Mills and pick for Westbrook and McGary

[tonight...you]

Nope. It'd be Alrdige, Mills and pick for Westbrook and McGary
Pop is not separating LMA from his family after that was the reason he signed with the Spurs in the first place.
That is not how Pop/RC operates, especially after preaching family family family when talking about the team.
HE is NOT being traded. It is NOT happening.

[raybies]

Man we have some really out this world GM's in here. Some Billy Kings and whoever's in charge of Sacramento's moves from time to time in here. Some people just don't understand the spurs way even after following them for years...

:bobo: cheers

[coachmac87]

Pop is not separating LMA from his family after that was the reason he signed with the Spurs in the first place.
That is not how Pop/RC operates, especially after preaching family family family when talking about the team.
HE is NOT being traded. It is NOT happening.


Oh yeah that was his reason??

[Chinook]

Oh yeah that was his reason??

Supposedly one of them. He'd be closish to his mother in Dallas if he were traded to OKC...

[tonight...you]

Oh yeah that was his reason??
Like yeah. That was one of the main reasons bud. It's not like it was a trade secret.

[coachmac87]

Like yeah. That was one of the main reasons bud. It's not like it was a trade secret.

Sarcasm bro....I know.

[tonight...you]

Supposedly one of them. He'd be closish to his mother in Dallas if he were traded to OKC...
And his son, IIRC, actually lived in SA himself before LMA got here.

[tonight...you]

Sarcasm bro....I know.
Word. :toast

[Chinook]

And his son, IIRC, actually lived in SA himself before LMA got here.

The kid knew what was up.

[tonight...you]

The kid knew what was up.
Lol! Damn right! This is the New Millennium Style of recruiting.
Use their children...

[SAGirl]

I can't emphasize enough that Russ is not going to sign an extension with anyone no matter what (except in the absurdly rare possibility that some team has the cap space to give him a raise, but that's not really worth talking about). Assuming he signs a normal extension, the max he can get is $57.75M/3 ($19.25M APY). A new deal for Russ would be worth $131.1M/4 (non-Bird -- $32.78M APY ) or $176.54M/5 (Bird -- $35.31M APY). The difference is staggering.
In the end the real obstacle is probably OKC finding a better haul than: Danny + draft pick in the 25-30 range + lets say Murray. That trade is worth it to the Spurs but for OKC, they might get a better haul from someone somewhere.

If Westbrook leaves we have been made worse, but as you pointed out we'd have cap. Draft pick and OKC choice of a young prospect, are gambles in themselves, Danny is the hard to replace guy. But I can see how that trade if available makes a lot of sense.

[Mr. Body]

In the end the real obstacle is probably OKC finding a better haul than: Danny + draft pick in the 25-30 range + lets say Murray. That trade is worth it to the Spurs but for OKC, they might get a better haul from someone somewhere.

If Westbrook leaves we have been made worse, but as you pointed out we'd have cap. Draft pick and OKC choice of a young prospect, are gambles in themselves, Danny is the hard to replace guy. But I can see how that trade if available makes a lot of sense.

That trade is kind of what I think it might come down to. Presti will also have to prime their fans to accept that haul, which won't be easy.

[SAGirl]

Man we have some really out this world GM's in here. Some Billy Kings and whoever's in charge of Sacramento's moves from time to time in here. Some people just don't understand the spurs way even after following them for years...

:bobo: cheers

Pops is not proactive in his trades that I have seen of late. Pops always wants to hold on to his guys until the last moment.

For example, they leveraged Hill and he was hard to part with, but they were reaching the point of desperation.

They gave away Jefferson for JAX but that was a Jefferson dump and that pick we gave would have brought talent. The 2012 draft had NBA roleplayers go very late.

They held on to CoJo when maybe trading him was a good idea bc they had in their plans the move for Aldridge and would have known that going after a high paid FA the same season Kawhi was due a huge raise (as was Cojo due for his in proportion) would have made him impossible to retain.

They dumped Diaw and Tiago for doritos and a nespresso machine. Though considering Tiago's health the doritos were at least tasty. :lol

They haven't really been proactive. Being proactive would have been doing a sign and trade to send Manu to Philly for some of their prospect bigs that they are looking to dump.

Two ways of seeing it: they are high in the youngsters they have and want Manu here to mentor them or the attachment to Manu is irrational at this point. I prefer to think option 1.

[tholdren]

Of course he's worth trading for without an extension -- especially this far out from next summer. He's not worth quite as much as he would be, but he's still worth quite a bit. But no, with or without an extension, he's not worth Aldridge.
Spurs couldn't trade Lamarsha. They went all out to get her, sold her on being the man (I would assume). Spurs first big free agent then immediately traded? I think it looks too bad.

[raybies]

Pops is not proactive in his trades that I have seen of late. Pops always wants to hold on to his guys until the last moment.

For example, they leveraged Hill and he was hard to part with, but they were reaching the point of desperation.

They gave away Jefferson for JAX but that was a Jefferson dump and that pick we gave would have brought talent. The 2012 draft had NBA roleplayers go very late.

They held on to CoJo when maybe trading him was a good idea bc they had in their plans the move for Aldridge and would have known that going after a high paid FA the same season Kawhi was due a huge raise (as was Cojo due for his in proportion) would have made him impossible to retain.

They dumped Diaw and Tiago for doritos and a nespresso machine. Though considering Tiago's health the doritos were at least tasty. :lol

They haven't really been proactive. Being proactive would have been doing a sign and trade to send Manu to Philly for some of their prospect bigs that they are looking to dump.

Two ways of seeing it: they are high in the youngsters they have and want Manu here to mentor them or the attachment to Manu is irrational at this point. I prefer to think option 1.

Think it's a combination of both. Spurs loyalty and determination to do things the right way. Without Duncan, its time to see if the spurs Way actually works in this business. I hate to be skeptical but am a little bit. Kind of wondering if the spurs loyalty will be/can be the downfall of them. Case in point being Parker's contract to some degree, not making enough moves to keep LMA and then eventually losing kawhi. Nightmare scenario indeed.

[Seventyniner]

Another advantage to getting Westbrook now: his cap hold of $20.3M (120% of this year's $17.7M) is far less than what he'll sign for.

That's assuming the cap hold rules survive next summer's CBA negotiations and possible lockout.

[LakerHater]

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[SAGirl]

Think it's a combination of both. Spurs loyalty and determination to do things the right way. Without Duncan, its time to see if the spurs Way actually works in this business. I hate to be skeptical but am a little bit. Kind of wondering if the spurs loyalty will be/can be the downfall of them. Case in point being Parker's contract to some degree, not making enough moves to keep LMA and then eventually losing kawhi. Nightmare scenario indeed.
I agree with your concerns.
Uncharted territory for them bc as RC said: "Without Tim we are on our own" They have to maximixe the years they have Aldridge in his prime. Kawhi can pull a Durant if we don't do anything the next three seasons. In a way it makes me very careful of gambles that can leave us worse off.

My conservative approach is that we have an almost bare cupboard of young prospects. If we give those guys away and come up empty could be .. a disaster, plus giving away the pick. Or it could be a homerun if Russy stays and we push GSW to the edge and have a nascent dinasty that would convince Russy. I can see value in either approach.

Statements from Pops and RC has led me to believe like you that they will live and die with Tony and Manu and then dump the hot mess on Ime or Becky when they are gone. :lmao I am a bit sarcastic here if you follow me.:toast

[Snaq O'Meal]

Pops is not proactive in his trades that I have seen of late. Pops always wants to hold on to his guys until the last moment.

For example, they leveraged Hill and he was hard to part with, but they were reaching the point of desperation.

They gave away Jefferson for JAX but that was a Jefferson dump and that pick we gave would have brought talent. The 2012 draft had NBA roleplayers go very late.

They held on to CoJo when maybe trading him was a good idea bc they had in their plans the move for Aldridge and would have known that going after a high paid FA the same season Kawhi was due a huge raise (as was Cojo due for his in proportion) would have made him impossible to retain.

They dumped Diaw and Tiago for doritos and a nespresso machine. Though considering Tiago's health the doritos were at least tasty. :lol

They haven't really been proactive. Being proactive would have been doing a sign and trade to send Manu to Philly for some of their prospect bigs that they are looking to dump.

Two ways of seeing it: they are high in the youngsters they have and want Manu here to mentor them or the attachment to Manu is irrational at this point. I prefer to think option 1.

They moved Splitter to acquire Aldridge, and Diaw for Gasol. If there's a chance to improve the team, PATFO would do it.

Of course, Pop values continuity, but only to a certain extent. That is why they brought Manu back. But this is what Pop thinks of Parker:

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Parker may not be as indispensable as many people think.

[SAGirl]

They moved Splitter to acquire Aldridge, and Diaw for Gasol. If there's a chance to improve the team, PATFO would do it.
Not through trades for the most part. The signings were in FA, and he reluctantly let go of those guys. The point is that he's not very proactive, which a move to trade for Russ would be at this point.

By history they are likely to hold on to their guys, see what they have, see their youngsters in real games now, and make a move in FA for Russ then, instead of giving up on guys they are still high on, picks and Danny.

[raybies]

Yeah, the conservative path is safer and more our style. You risk losing everything if you strike out on Russell. I think R.C. And Pop know that. Dejounte is our defacto "new hope".(Star Wars reference) If you take a high upside pick at guard your saying something and that might be,"if we strike out on a star guard we're gonna develop one." I'm so use to the Spurs cultivating new stars that at first I didn't want Russell and I think I'm going back to that mindset. Signing Aldridge turned some things around but maybe we shouldn't view it as a beginning of a trend. Cause now it's like we became vain in a sense and seen or own beauty. Now we know we can get better. I guess in a morale sense I hope we stick to our roots and grow and develop and "build". There's something innocent in doing this. I mean we've went after stars when we were forming and didn't land one till this last year. It's like putting a parking lot on paradise, though in a sense that we are starting to land these free agents and the pure style that we had is being contaminated by newcomers. If we were to get Westbrook...

[LakerHater]

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[Spurs9]

Watching Jason Williams in a game on espn with a team he plays with at 40, he looks better than Parker did last season :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

Wouldn't want that proposed trade anyway.

Westbrook, Green, Leonard, Sabonis, Gasol isn't better than the current lineup.

Only if you are assuming that LMA isn't going to be on a decline from here on until his contract runs out.:rolleyes They aren't going to stop the Duds w/ a Pau/LMA frontline & Porker is going to be a liability against all 5 starters. Sabonis is more mobile than Kanter & can shoot/rebound while also being able to punish Draymond in the post. WestBrick would make Curry work & can actually guard Draymond/Iggy/Livingston.

Pop can have Porker play alongside WestBrick against the Duds bench unit where he can hide on Clark or even Iggy. During crunch time, let Kawhi run PnPs w/ Pau.

PATFO can probably flip Patty/Simmons for another rotation player like McLemore since the Kings have too many wings & are desperate for a PG.

[Seventyniner]

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Is the idea to hide the bald spot among the rest of the baldness? Or did he lose a bet?

[eDizzle20]

Such a big variable is the bench. With Gasol being 36 I can't see him playing more than 30 minutes a game. With Manu's age and Jean-Charles inexperience competing at a high level Anderson will definitely have a big workload of 20+ minutes a game. I would anticipate Anderson will get most of his minutes at the 4. I also anticipate Bertans playing a very sizable role as well, maybe 15+ minutes a game and Dedmon at about 17+ minutes a game. Based on the current structure of the team I could see them winning 53 games this season.

[K...]

Is the idea to hide the bald spot among the rest of the baldness? Or did he lose a bet?

he has cancer you gfucking insenstive prick

[tonight...you]

Such a big variable is the bench. With Gasol being 36 I can't see him playing more than 30 minutes a game. With Manu's age and Jean-Charles inexperience competing at a high level Anderson will definitely have a big workload of 20+ minutes a game. I would anticipate Anderson will get most of his minutes at the 4. I also anticipate Bertans playing a very sizable role as well, maybe 15+ minutes a game and Dedmon at about 17+ minutes a game. Based on the current structure of the team I could see them winning 53 games this season.
Yeah... I think you're not far off, buddy. Good show.

[SPURt]

Watching Jason Williams in a game on espn with a team he plays with at 40, he looks better than Parker did last season :lol
Mike Bibby let it go lol

[ceperez]

Such a big variable is the bench. With Gasol being 36 I can't see him playing more than 30 minutes a game. With Manu's age and Jean-Charles inexperience competing at a high level Anderson will definitely have a big workload of 20+ minutes a game. I would anticipate Anderson will get most of his minutes at the 4. I also anticipate Bertans playing a very sizable role as well, maybe 15+ minutes a game and Dedmon at about 17+ minutes a game. Based on the current structure of the team I could see them winning 53 games this season.

You are right with this... with Gasol, Manu and even Parker sitting out many games, Anderson needs to step up.

[cutewizard]

As much as we liked Tiago and Boris, .........Gasol and Lamarcus are definitely an upgrade over Splitter and Diaw!

[SAGirl]

Seems like Spurs have their roster full but can still add training camp/vet min. contracts at this point:

Starters: Gasol/Aldridge/Leonard/Green/Parker
Rotation players: Anderson/Ginobili/Mills
Other rotation players: Dedmon/Simmons/Bertans
Benchwarmers: LJC/Murray
Current training camp/make good contracts: Forbes/Arcidiacono

That is 15 players. Only Forbes and Arci are not guaranteed, with Simmons expected to become guaranteed on 7/30.

[ernest787]

Spurs are not proactive with trades yet have done the following:

Traded for Richard Jefferson
Traded away Richard Jefferson
Traded away Hill for Kawhi
Traded Tiago
Traded Diaw

That's just the big ones over the last couple years. Not including stuff like when the Spurs tried to trade for JR Smith back in the day, etc.

Someone who has followed basketball for 2-3 years talking about the history of the Spurs and their front office :bang

They have always been about improving the team and being a title contender. They've consistently changed and done what they've needed to do to keep the team in the mix. They haven't always made the splashy move, but that doesn't mean they haven't been proactive.

[gambit1990]

Gasol and Lamarcus are definitely an upgrade over Splitter and Diaw!
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[SAGirl]

Spurs are not proactive with trades yet have done the following:

Traded for Richard Jefferson
Traded away Richard Jefferson
Traded away Hill for Kawhi
Traded Tiago
Traded Diaw

That's just the big ones over the last couple years. Not including stuff like when the Spurs tried to trade for JR Smith back in the day, etc.

Someone who has followed basketball for 2-3 years talking about the history of the Spurs and their front office :bang

They have always been about improving the team and being a title contender. They've consistently changed and done what they've needed to do to keep the team in the mix. They haven't always made the splashy move, but that doesn't mean they haven't been proactive.
:lol I have really gotten on your nerves. :toast You are mine now. :lmao

[poeticism707]

That trade is kind of what I think it might come down to. Presti will also have to prime their fans to accept that haul, which won't be easy.

No.

A one year rental of Westbrook is

FUCKING USELESS.

Unless he agrees to ext,

which he is won't, just no.

[SAGirl]

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[Atl Spur]

San Antonio will NOT lose 29 games next year....... get real! The over think this one people.

[ismael-robert]

Ernest quoting the tiago n boris trades were not really trades. They were salary dumps where they got nothing back in return then used that salary to sign free agents...how we got rj way back i cant recall

[ceperez]

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Still expecting Damien Inglis to be signed.

[Seventyniner]

Ernest quoting the tiago n boris trades were not really trades. They were salary dumps where they got nothing back in return then used that salary to sign free agents...how we got rj way back i cant recall

RJ was a salary dump for the *ucks. Spurs traded Bowen, Kurt Thomas, Oberto iirc. I don't think any of them ever played a game in a *ucks uniform.

[ernest787]

They may have been salary dumps but they were still trades and trades that were made that involved players that were key rotational players. The idea that SAgirl is saying the Spurs don't make those kinds of moves is just flat wrong.

The fact is that it is not common for top 5-10 players to be traded in their prime. So in turn it would not be common for the Spurs to be involved in trades for top 5-10 talent. But that does not mean the Spurs are not proactive and do not make trades to improve the team, including sending out rotational players. Doesn't matter if the trades netted rotational players in return or the savings were used to sign a FA.

[ismael-robert]

Id say more active for free agents than pulling off great trades...so basically they sit back plotting for years then strike when their targets are available

[BillMc]

For an organization that values stability it is amazing the turnover we've had. From that 2014 championship team 2 years and a month later only Manu, Tony, Patty, Danny, Kawhi and maybe Bonner remain.

Still, I like our new youth.

[raybies]

For an organization that values stability it is amazing the turnover we've had. From that 2014 championship team 2 years and a month later only Manu, Tony, Patty, Danny, Kawhi and maybe Bonner remain.

Still, I like our new youth.

Imagine if we didn't sign Aldridge... It would've been a rebuild instead of a retool. But we knew this was gonna happen when Duncan hung them up.

[spursistan]

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And Kawhi getting paid like a Mozgov for the next 3/4 prime/peak years :lmao

Also I don't waant to hear anything disparaging about us "tying our future" to Aldridge with that contract in this market :lol..

[BillMc]

Imagine if we didn't sign Aldridge... It would've been a rebuild instead of a retool. But we knew this was gonna happen when Duncan hung them up.

Truth. That LMA sighing (and Kawhi an Danny re-signing) were huge.

[raybies]

Dion waiters to the heat on a one year deal worth 2.9 million

[TheGreatYacht]

Pat Riley is truly the GOAT.

Being real and telling his washed up shooting guard to hit the curve if he wants more money. Then went on and signed Manure killer, Dion Waiters, for only 2.9M :wow

[elemento]

Waiters and his agent really overestimated his value :lol

Could have accepted the QO and stayed in OKC for 6.8m.

Maybe he thinks he will be the starting SG in Miami and get a bigger check next season. I don't think he is a starting material player, so we'll see.

[Seventyniner]

Waiters and his agent really overestimated his value :lol

Could have accepted the QO and stayed in OKC for 6.8m.

Maybe he thinks he will be the starting SG in Miami and get a bigger check next season. I don't think he is a starting material player, so we'll see.

With the next cap spike looming, this is a good year to bet on yourself. But you're right that he could have done essentially the same and made $4M more by just doing what you said and accepting the QO.

[elemento]

With the next cap spike looming, this is a good year to bet on yourself. But you're right that he could have done essentially the same and made $4M more by just doing what you said and accepting the QO.

Yeah, I definitively see this kind of bet working for some players (like T.Jones playing for the minimum to play in better situation with his former college teammate AD in NOLA) or Sulliger choosing to the Raptors for MLE money. But for some reason I don't see Riley overpaying to keep a delusional scrub like Waiters.

[Seventyniner]

Yeah, I definitively see this kind of bet working for some players (like T.Jones playing for the minimum to play in better situation with his former college teammate AD in NOLA) or Sulliger choosing to the Raptors for MLE money. But for some reason I don't see Riley overpaying to keep a delusional scrub like Waiters.

Waiters could've stat-padded all year in OC and potentially gotten a huge contract with 7.5% raises once Westbrook leaves. Riley won't matter too much, Waiters is only chasing the money here and it'll only take one dumb GM to give it to him. The deals next summer will be even crazier than what we've seen this summer.

[LakerHater]

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[tonight...you]

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What? :lol
Good looking woman though...

[Mr. Body]

Go for it, David, you deserve it! :toast :lol

[Spur|n|Austin]

:lol David "The Sergeant" Robinson

[gambit1990]

signing pau is gonna pay dividends.

people who didn't want him :lol

he's gonna take more pressure off aldridge offensively.

[tholdren]

So he picked up a woman and moved her to the side of the line? Then she hit him? If he's arrested for battery then she should also be charged with assault.

[raybies]

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[raybies]

So with Milutinov, Ndoye, and Cady all out for next season Austin Spurs and San Antonio Spurs are going to need a few options at training camp. I expect at least three centers invited for training camp.

Here's the I would like to see, Landry Nnoko, Prince Ibeh, and Zach Auguste. Would love to have any of these three playing in Austin. I think Patfos main priority is getting some with experience at center, so holding out to training camp might be best to see what's available.

[ceperez]

So with Milutinov, Ndoye, and Cady all out for next season Austin Spurs and San Antonio Spurs are going to need a few options at training camp. I expect at least three centers invited for training camp.

Here's the I would like to see, Landry Nnoko, Prince Ibeh, and Zach Auguste. Would love to have any of these three playing in Austin. I think Patfos main priority is getting some with experience at center, so holding out to training camp might be best to see what's available.

Spurs don't have any rights to Ndoye. So it does not matter if he's playing overseas.

Ndoye shipping out tells you that Spurs have another big in mind for their roster.

[Leetonidas]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoO0YvSUAAAruks.jpg

:lmao :lmao :lmao

[szkorhetz]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/242961/Amare-Stoudemire-Announces-NBA-Retirement

[Spurs Brazil]

Parker says Spurs can have a ‘great team’ even without Duncan

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2016/07/26/parker-says-spurs-can-have-a-great-team-even-without-duncan/

[SAGirl]

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I am really excited to read Tony is optimistic and even enthusiastic about the new guys joining the team this season.

[SAGirl]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/242961/Amare-Stoudemire-Announces-NBA-Retirement
Amare retiring. :toast

[ace3g]

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Lillard and McCollum on max deals. Turner, Crabbe and Harkless on big deals. Aminu still getting paid a pretty penny.

They are selling out on the idea of matching GS's small-ball. They've committed a ton of money to a roster that has mediocre-at-best bigs.

[SAGirl]

Lillard and McCollum on max deals. Turner, Crabbe and Harkless on big deals. Aminu still getting paid a pretty penny.

They are selling out on the idea of matching GS's small-ball. They've committed a ton of money to a roster that has mediocre-at-best bigs.
At some point I guess they will look at deals. 76ers still holding on to their bigs for example. I am not sure about their Leonard guy, just haven't watched enough of him, and he's been injured a lot.

All these contracts make me thing about JSimms TBH. Regardless what we think of him, he will get paid this next offseason by somebody. Tyler Johnson had to be re-signed with an Arenas contract, and Spurs were placed in that same position with Boban this season, and could not match. And Boban only played 500 minutes for a 67 win team that had a lot of garbage time to develop players and Timmy getting injured or rested for a lot of games.

[raybies]

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[Chinook]

Again, what I said about the Spurs' min deal being the new Kobe.

[Ocotillo]

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Tony is finally free, Timmy has been holding him down all these years.

[Chinook]

At some point I guess they will look at deals. 76ers still holding on to their bigs for example. I am not sure about their Leonard guy, just haven't watched enough of him, and he's been injured a lot.

All these contracts make me thing about JSimms TBH. Regardless what we think of him, he will get paid this next offseason by somebody. Tyler Johnson had to be re-signed with an Arenas contract, and Spurs were placed in that same position with Boban this season, and could not match. And Boban only played 500 minutes for a 67 win team that had a lot of garbage time to develop players and Timmy getting injured or rested for a lot of games.

All the more reasons to be okay with trading him for a long-term fit.

[raybies]

Might be Thomas Robinson or bust at this point. With all these prospects heading overseas, you have to wonder if they already have a plan with someone.

[Ocotillo]

Simmons is a lot of fun to watch but I have read people comparing him to Manu, I don't think so. They play the same position but JSimms handles are not good and summer league did not show me he had improved any there. I am rooting for the guy because he makes for a nice story but he needs to show more progress this training camp/early season.

[SAGirl]

All the more reasons to be okay with trading him for a long-term fit.
I think so. What did you mean about the Spurs min deal = Kobe? I missed you there.

[raybies]

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[raybies]

I think so. What did you mean about the Spurs min deal = Kobe? I missed you there.

I was lost there too

[SAGirl]

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I am sorry all your bigs prospects are signing overseas... seems that is better than a vet min for the Spurs at this point?

We better light candles in the chapel of Livio Jean Charles this summer. Let that guy get in the gym with Bertans, Anderson and crew! :lol Stash Brothers for the win!!!!!

[Chinook]

I think so. What did you mean about the Spurs min deal = Kobe? I missed you there.


I was lost there too

No free agents seem to want any part of it.

[SAGirl]

No free agents seem to want any part of it.
:lmao In hindsight this is hilarious. :lol:toast

Hmm what do you think: Pop doing Rasual Butler like that? What he did last season with him soured all these vets?
Or really the Spurs are perceived to be in a development phase that these vets want no part of?

Personally I think its a mix of both: the Nando de Colo syndrome. We have to call it a syndrome. Guy has turned into a star in Europe and international competition but could not get off the bench for Pop. CoJo: Guy played in the ECF and a lot of minutes for a playoff team, but just the season b4 could not get off the bench for Pop when a hobbled Tony was being ate alive by CP3. Kyle: Looks like he's going to have a breakout season, even last season but gets to stand up in corners for Pop while all vets are being ate alive in playoffs. Has to wait for people to get injured to play his game and he's lucky to have even gotten playing time at all. Boban: Looks like an absolute beast, comes to Spurs after being first team Euroleague or something, highly sought after big in FA, but gets to play mostly garbage time for Pop, remaining a mystery for someone else to gamble on. Rasual Butler: Looked last season like he still got some game but Spurs cut him after the trade deadline just cause they wanted to sample Kevin Martin instead, while ended up going back to guys they had in the roster all along.

I got to say, Spurs don't look like a good landing spot for vet min players based on last season.

By the way: ^^ This is a sarcastic piece. Have to specify it bc my essays are not known for being humorous. But Spurs are reaching the humorous department with the vet min. free agents. It really could be that the express intent to get younger means the Spurs are going to focus on developing their guys whenever they can spare it, and these vets are looking at the Nando-De-Colo/JAX syndrome (JAX for those vets who really are done).

[tholdren]

Lillard and McCollum on max deals. Turner, Crabbe and Harkless on big deals. Aminu still getting paid a pretty penny.

They are selling out on the idea of matching GS's small-ball. They've committed a ton of money to a roster that has mediocre-at-best bigs.
but if they can get their Gs to attack instead of chuck the ball a la GSW they've got some active bodies. Kaman sucks, but Plumlee, and Davis are offensive rebounders. Its what you need.

[TD 21]

Unless Landry gets bought out, unfortunately, it's seeming more and more likely that they're going to re-sign Bonner.

Clearly, they were planning on moving on, but being spurned by West, Bass and whoever else they might have had interest in, might force their hand.

The reality is, they need a true power forward, that is at least somewhat proven, can shoot, won't complain about being no better than a fringe rotation player and can spot start if Aldridge gets injured.

Aside from spot starting (though he probably would), Bonner checks every other box, plus provides "corporate knowledge" and is well liked.

[r0drig0lac]

Blazers doing a great job

[YGWHI]

I am really excited to read Tony is optimistic and even enthusiastic about the new guys joining the team this season.
At least, Parker extinguised all the doubts concerning new Spurs leader. Manu? Kawhi? LMA? No. "I’m going to try to be a good leader"

[Snaq O'Meal]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoO0YvSUAAAruks.jpg

She should be spanked for that.

[raybies]

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Good read

[stxspurs]

Spurs putting up Kyle and mills for Okafor

[BillMc]

Spurs putting up Kyle and mills for Okafor

Do you have a source or is that something you'd like to see happen?

[Chinook]

Do you have a source or is that something you'd like to see happen?

The Sixers would be crazy to take on Anderson given that they have his rich man's and Euro versions already.

[I. Hustle]

Do you have a source or is that something you'd like to see happen?

Bend over, I'll give you a source

or

Bend over, I'll show you something I'd like to see happen

[ceperez]

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Wow... I thought the Knicks would pick him up. Oh well...

[MaNu4Tres]

Spurs putting up Kyle and mills for Okafor

What are you smoking?

Sixers can do way better than Kyle and Mills.

Should stop reading tweets from the average homer Spurs fan.

[MaNu4Tres]

Do you have a source or is that something you'd like to see happen?

His source is from one of those illogical Spurs fans on twitter.

[random21]

I am hearing from Thomas Robinson has a good chance of happening from the "inside circles"...

[RD2191]

According to my gma we're a lock for Westbrook next season. Tbh fwiw imo.

[tonight...you]

According to my gma we're a lock for Westbrook next season. Tbh fwiw imo.
That's gospel, right there. Where can I put good money down on it?

[spurs10]

Unless Landry gets bought out, unfortunately, it's seeming more and more likely that they're going to re-sign Bonner.

Clearly, they were planning on moving on, but being spurned by West, Bass and whoever else they might have had interest in, might force their hand.

The reality is, they need a true power forward, that is at least somewhat proven, can shoot, won't complain about being no better than a fringe rotation player and can spot start if Aldridge gets injured.

Aside from spot starting (though he probably would), Bonner checks every other box, plus provides "corporate knowledge" and is well liked. Right about this. Wonder what the timeline for signing him might be? I'm guessing they have something they're waiting on. Robinson?

[SAGirl]

Right about this. Wonder what the timeline for signing him might be? I'm guessing they have something they're waiting on. Robinson?
T.Robinson wants his 20 mins per game. I don't think he's ready to get over himself and play a small role. Doubt he's headed here:
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[TD 21]

Right about this. Wonder what the timeline for signing him might be? I'm guessing they have something they're waiting on. Robinson?

With only 13 guarantees, 4 of which being bigs, they could conceivably sign both, though I'd imagine they'd want at least one to agree to a partial guarantee to maintain as much flexibility as possible.

More likely, they're waiting out situations with logjams among their bigs, like the Hawks, Timberwolves and 76ers, to see if they can do better first.

[Solid D]

T.Robinson wants his 20 mins per game. I don't think he's ready to get over himself and play a small role. Doubt he's headed here:
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Yikes!

[spurs10]

With only 13 guarantees, 4 of which being bigs, they could conceivably sign both, though I'd imagine they'd want at least one to agree to a partial guarantee to maintain as much flexibility as possible.

More likely, they're waiting out situations with logjams among their bigs, like the Hawks, Timberwolves and 76ers, to see if they can do better first. Sounds about right. The big situation is the one I most have my eye on. With all the vilification Matt has received he does as you say 'check a lot of the box.'

[timtonymanu]

Thomas Robinson has always been a headcase.

[tonight...you]

T.Robinson wants his 20 mins per game. I don't think he's ready to get over himself and play a small role. Doubt he's headed here:
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Pacers can have him. Where's he going to get 20+ minutes in SA unless there's an injury?
Maybe Dedmon is really a Dead Man, or Kyle suffers a setback... both I doubt, but...

I don't see this guy talking that noise to Pop and it flying.

[Snaq O'Meal]

T.Robinson wants his 20 mins per game. I don't think he's ready to get over himself and play a small role. Doubt he's headed here:
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To put it into context, he wanted more playing time on a Nets team with a shitty frontline.

But on a team with Aldridge and Gasol, I doubt he'll make such a request.

Robinson did put up decent rebounding numbers when given the minutes. And he's actually a better rebounder than Dedmon. It's his rim protection ability (or lack thereof) that may give PATFO pause. He just doesn't seem to have the required instincts or timing to snuff out shot attempts. Even Terrence Jones is a far better rim protector than Robinson.

[SAGirl]

I think that's really the issue with Robinson. He probably has gotten interest from many teams but him being so upfront about game time demands means he's being inflexible. It could turn into a cancerous player if he's not playing over guys he thinks he's better than.

[elemento]

Now we know why this dude is still a FA :lol

DO NOT WANT

[spurtech09]

Now we know why this dude is still a FA :lol

DO NOT WANTTrue.......

[RD2191]

I told y'all niggas a long time ago that the dude is a headcase. He's got that d Blair and sjax mentality. One of those players that think they're better than they really are. He might put up nice numbers but advanced stats show that he's fukin trash on defense.

[gambit1990]

he's young. he said he wants playing time and he wants to win. overreaction much? it's not like he said he thought he was one of the best free agents this summer.

[TrainOfThought5]

I think that's really the issue with Robinson. He probably has gotten interest from many teams but him being so upfront about game time demands means he's being inflexible. It could turn into a cancerous player if he's not playing over guys he thinks he's better than.

The PF Stephen Jackson

[SAGirl]

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Bumping up this link. It's indeed quite an interesting article. Puts in perspective Forbes and Arci's contracts, VanVleet who GSH (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1519) was raving about and Gary Payton III who got a guaranteed contract from the Rockets after going undrafted. He was Kawhitstorm (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49655) guy. All these guys could have gone in the lower 20 spots in the draft and instead refused to be stashed and got themselves contracts with teams that intended to give them an immediate opportunity.

Interesting to watch when the next CBA negotiations take place. Hopefully they incorporate the dleague into a better development system.

[look_at_g_shred]

Pacers can have him. Where's he going to get 20+ minutes in SA unless there's an injury?
Maybe Dedmon is really a Dead Man, or Kyle suffers a setback... both I doubt, but...

I don't see this guy talking that noise to Pop and it flying.
And that's probably why he's not here.

[Kawhitstorm]

With only 13 guarantees, 4 of which being bigs, they could conceivably sign both, though I'd imagine they'd want at least one to agree to a partial guarantee to maintain as much flexibility as possible.

More likely, they're waiting out situations with logjams among their bigs, like the Hawks, Timberwolves and 76ers, to see if they can do better first.

Isn't Jason Thompson available, he barely played for the Duds most likely b/c he isn't a screener/rim protector ala Bogut/Ezeli/Sideshow Bob but more like a PF version of Harrison Barnes. He was also pretty redundant w/ James Johnson in Toronto.


His hands leave something to be desired and he really shouldn't dribble too much, but he has a nice face-up jumper, he's a passionate if slightly suboptimal defender and he has good rebounding instincts. Over the past three seasons, Thompson has held new San Antonio Spur LaMarcus Aldridge (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21819/lamarcus-aldridge) to 44 percent shooting (88-199) over 11 regular season games. (Aldridge shot 47 percent overall in that time period.) If the Warriors are expecting a battle with the Spurs (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/san-antonio-spurs) at some point next postseason, Thompson is a nice tool to use. (J.T. has also had some success marking Blake Griffin (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/71901/blake-griffin), especially as the Clippers (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/los-angeles-clippers) star has transitioned to a face-up style.)

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...damn, it looks like he isn't over himself::lol

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[cutewizard]

I am hearing from Thomas Robinson has a good chance of happening from the "inside circles"...

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Is this true man? I really like Thomas R for us!

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

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Very interesting and also something we've seen and discussed here a lot. Spurs drafted Cady because he told them he was OK spending time in the D-league. Arguably there were more talented players than him at the time but teams just don't want to draft players they're going to lose rights to after camp.

It would be beneficial if teams were given a couple more roster spots for developmental purposes only, thus being unable to sign vets to them, with a different pay scale, a different minimum, but much higher than the D-league salaries which are a joke. The money would come from the team's salary cap and teams should be obliged to use these roster spots, or at least some of them, say 2 out of 3 minimum. This way both teams and second round picks would have more security and a clearer plan for development. It would also increase the value of second round picks.

[spurs10]

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Is this true man? I really like Thomas R for us! I'd sure like to know more about this. :hat

[stxspurs]

Idk about the site but here it is
http://www.sportsrageous.com/nba/nba-rumors-spurs-suggested-trading-patty-mills-kyle-anderson-76ers-jahlil-okafor/37190/

[Chinook]

^Seems like a POS site to me.

[Chinook]

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Well, one thing I will say is that the article ignores the benefits of being stashed -- especially by a good club with strong ties overseas. In the Spurs' case, they obviously provide the best medical care they can to their stashed guys paying for multiple surgeries and rehabs for guys like Bertans, LJC, Richards and Jaktovas. There's no guarantee that a guy just trying to make a name for himself is going to get that care otherwise. Teams like the Spurs also use their pull to get their stashes into good overseas situations, which helps the players get paid more and get more exposure if the Spurs do not end up keeping them long-term.

They've had their share of players who didn't want to be stashed, too. Just look at the James Southerland/Deshaun Thomas situation for an example of that. Or for an even more failed example, look at Jack McClinton. And who knows if the Dangubic trade a couple of years ago was the result of the team not being able to find two guys they liked and who were willing to be stashed? I've been pretty open recently about my view that you should only stash guys who are already overseas and who may have the potential to develop down the line. So this development doesn't bother me too much.

That said, I've been a fan of a more comprehensive development league for a while, whether that's the d-league or a more explicit relationship with overseas leagues. You've obviously got to pay people more, both to keep the fringe talent stateside and to encourage fringe overseas talent to play in the d-league. The increased level of competition should lead to a better on-court product as well as an improved training environment.

The only issue with that is finding a way to make such a league profitable. I'm not sure there is room for 60 professional basketball teams in the US. With this being like a $200-Million-a-year investment, it's a big deal to find a way finance it. That's why having a foreign d-league would be preferable. But that comes with its own problems (mainly travel and visas). So maybe have two d-leagues, one in Canada and one in Mexico? Or have two in Canada, one in Mexico and one in the Caribbean? That would be too weird, but they have to figure out something.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Well, one thing I will say is that the article ignores the benefits of being stashed -- especially by a good club with strong ties overseas. In the Spurs' case, they obviously provide the best medical care they can to their stashed guys paying for multiple surgeries and rehabs for guys like Bertans, LJC, Richards and Jaktovas. There's no guarantee that a guy just trying to make a name for himself is going to get that care otherwise. Teams like the Spurs also use their pull to get their stashes into good overseas situations, which helps the players get paid more and get more exposure if the Spurs do not end up keeping them long-term.


True, but my impression is the article was more about NCAA players being drafted, not overseas players like the aforementioned four. There's a huge difference - these players were already playing professionally or were about to sign contracts with professional teams. They've got a job there and don't mind continuing doing it with the idea that someday they might jump to the NBA as they've generally been fringe talent, thus being selected late in the draft. NCAA players don't have this benefit so it's much more difficult for them being selected late and being told to travel to Europe/China, etc. and play for little money in teams not looking to develop them and help them. Even Spurs with all the connections with ASVEL were not exactly helping in LJC's development, he wasn't forcefed minutes and he looked like he desperately needed it but ASVEL had other goals.

Also, is there a NCAA player drafted by the Spurs and stashed overseas, who's come back and made the team? I can only think of Danny Green and that was during the lockout, not an NBA season.

[Chinook]

True, but my impression is the article was more about NCAA players being drafted, not overseas players like the aforementioned four. There's a huge difference - these players were already playing professionally or were about to sign contracts with professional teams. They've got a job there and don't mind continuing doing it with the idea that someday they might jump to the NBA as they've generally been fringe talent, thus being selected late in the draft. NCAA players don't have this benefit so it's much more difficult for them being selected late and being told to travel to Europe/China, etc. and play for little money in teams not looking to develop them and help them. Even Spurs with all the connections with ASVEL were not exactly helping in LJC's development, he wasn't forcefed minutes and he looked like he desperately needed it but ASVEL had other goals.

Also, is there a NCAA player drafted by the Spurs and stashed overseas, who's come back and made the team? I can only think of Danny Green and that was during the lockout, not an NBA season.

Not even Green. He was already under contract with the Spurs, and he wasn't a draftee.

Anyway, I don't disagree that stashing works best for guys already overseas. I said as much in the second paragraph of the post you quoted. My point was more directed at the "If I fail, I go to Europe anyway, so what's the difference?" school of thought. The difference is that the Spurs look out for their draftees. You don't have to do it on your own. Despite the thought that you're stuck in Europe if your team doesn't sign you, players ALWAYS (meaning every season) have a unilateral right to take their tenders and force the NBA team to make a decision on them.

The simple question is this: Did DeShaun Thomas benefit from being a Spurs pick rather than a UDFA? Yes. Thomas made $750k in those two years. Now he can't seem to find a way to get an NBA contract. That's a much better pay scale than most of these guys are looking at. I mean, Southerland looks to have made less than $500k in that span. So now he and Thomas are both in the same boat, UFAs with some international success but with Thomas having cleared 50 percent more than Southerland. The players thinking about the short-term dollars aren't necessarily looking at things the right way.

[Chinook]

The problem is that most fringe prospects don't want to believe they're fringe prospects. So they think they should get a spot if they compete hard enough. If you accept that you aren't good enough, letting an NBA sink money into helping you get started on a pro career overseas seems ideal. Marcus Denmon probably still uses his Spurs connections, and he's going into his fifth season as a stashee. And he wasn't going to be in the NBA now anyway, so I don't believe he missed out on any opportunity, especially since he could always tell the Spurs he's ready to take his shot (hell, he could even do so this season).

[TD 21]

Isn't Jason Thompson available, he barely played for the Duds most likely b/c he isn't a screener/rim protector ala Bogut/Ezeli/Sideshow Bob but more like a PF version of Harrison Barnes. He was also pretty redundant w/ James Johnson in Toronto.



Mn9kc7_5ljI

...damn, it looks like he isn't over himself::lol

KORoGYRUJD0

He's nothing like Barnes and Johnson. He's more like a homeless man's version of Aldridge. For a guy who hasn't suffered a significant injury and should be in the prime of his career, it's amazing how fast he went from being considered a competent third big to a fringe player.

With the Raptors, it looked like he was attempting to transition into a stretch four, which is probably necessary to prolong his career.

I didn't watch the video, but he strikes me as borderline not Spurs material, much like Robinson.

[gambit1990]

spurs shoulda signed sergio rodriguez.

[gambit1990]

can't believe some of the passes i'm seeing him make.

[Ditty]

Thomas Robinson sucks :lol

I rather roll with Jarnell Stokes and Jean Charles than that bum.

I wouldn't be shocked though if Spurs have offered him a camp invite though :vomit:

[tdunk21]

David Lee signing 2-year, $3.2 million deal with Spurs

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/17167348/david-lee-joining-san-antonio-spurs (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/17167348/david-lee-joining-san-antonio-spurs)

[cutewizard]

Now that we have David Lee, what do we need for the last spot, hmmm???

Yi Jianlian?

Nocioni??

Rudy Fernandez??

Or perhaps bring back Andre Miller??

Or someone from the d league?

Or Bryn Forbes??

WHO DO YOU THINK GUYS, IS BEST FOR OUR LAST SPOT?

[SAGirl]

Now that we have David Lee, what do we need for the last spot, hmmm???

Yi Jianlian?

Nocioni??

Rudy Fernandez??

Or perhaps bring back Andre Miller??

Or someone from the d league?

Or Bryn Forbes??

WHO DO YOU THINK GUYS, IS BEST FOR OUR LAST SPOT?
I loved Andre Miller but he will be 41, personally I'd take Forbes.

[cutewizard]

Im ok with Forbes, too.....

[tbdog]

Now that we have David Lee, what do we need for the last spot, hmmm???

Yi Jianlian? Now that is a name I haven't heard of in a long while.

Nocioni??

Rudy Fernandez??

Or perhaps bring back Andre Miller??

Or someone from the d league?

Or Bryn Forbes??

WHO DO YOU THINK GUYS, IS BEST FOR OUR LAST SPOT?

[MaNu4Tres]

Good insurance for the price.

Spurs are likely going to go 3 deep in the front-court when it matters ( playoffs, or close games) anyways -- if matchups stay equal and don't go small.

People forget, there's still only 96 minutes in the front-court in a game -- sometimes a lot less with todays NBA when teams go small. This year will be the first year since the 97-99' years where Spurs have two big men able to play 28-30+ minutes per game. The minutes per game may be less in the end if Spurs blow out a lot of teams , but in competitive games, Spurs will play Aldridge 35-38 minutes per game, Pau 28-32, Dedmon 18-22. That leaves only 10-12 mpg for Small ball PF ( Kawhi) or Anderson/Lee.

Its crazy to think that TD played w/18-22 mpg role playing bigs next to him for 15 straight years after Robinson hurt his back in 01'. That's why depth was pretty important during those years. This year, the depth in the front-court is nice in case of injury, but if everyone stays healthy, depth won't be needed as much as it has been.

It's going to be very interesting this year to see the Lee/Anderson competition at the back up PF, and the Bertans/Simmons competition for the wing minutes around Manu off the bench. Sure against the JV teams, everyone will get time during blow outs or during roadtrips w/ back to backs or 3 games in 5 nights, but what matters is the rotation come playoff time. Then, there will be little amount of minutes for the Lee, Anderson, Bertans, Simmons cluster. If teams is healthy, at most only two out of that cluster will carve out a type of role in the playoffs.

[cutewizard]

Now imagine if GOAT Duncan suddenly returns after the Alll-Star break!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wtf!!! lol!!!!

[cutewizard]

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/David-Lee-87/

[tbdog]

Now imagine if GOAT Duncan suddenly returns after the Alll-Star break!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wtf!!! lol!!!!

He can't play with us at all for the whole 16/17 season.

[cutewizard]

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/David-Lee-87/

Overview: An extremely productive lefty power forward who makes an impact with his hustle, smarts and athleticism. One of the better rebounders in the league. Has adequate size and length for the power forward position, at 6-9 in shoes with a 7-foot wingspan. Pretty strong as well, and has the frame to get bigger. Possesses great leaping ability, and a quick second leap. Runs well for his position. Doesn’t offer much in the way of perimeter skills. Gets the job done underneath with hustle and rebounding. Relentlessly cleans the glass. Brings a lot of energy to the defensive end. Has always been a hardworking player with great athleticism. Had a nice four year career at Florida, and was one of the most efficient players in college basketball during his time there. Was a pleasant surprise as a rookie and has become a solid contributor. Still has some upside, and needs to develop his midrange jumper. Not an ideal cornerstone by any means, but the kind of player that coaches love and any franchise would be happy to have. A huge steal for the Knicks as the last pick in the 1st round.

Offense: The epitome of a hustle player offensively. Very smart player who is a good passer and extremely unselfish. Very sound on the offensive end. Doesn’t need plays called for his to score, and will put up numbers with extremely high efficiency. Gets almost all of his touches by working hard outside of a few touches with his back to the basket every game. Moves extremely well without the ball, making room for his teammates to drive and filling gaps for easy baskets. A fantastic finisher around the basket thanks to the quickness in which he gets off his feet. Does a great job cleaning the offensive glass, always pursuing the ball off the rim. Terrific on the pick and roll-- sets very solid screens and rolls hard to the basket. Runs the floor extremely well for a player his size. Does everything you look for from a hustle player, but also has a nice skill set to go along with it. Will get some opportunities in the post, and loves to face up. Has no trouble getting off his jumper when he turns to face and has the quickness to get by many power forwards. Not an amazing ball-handler, but is crafty enough to know how to get to the rim and finish. Isn’t afraid to take contact, and shoots a great percentage from the line. Not an ideal catch and shoot player, but is able to make some shots from 15 feet and in. Could still stand to work on his right hand, but shows a willingness to work over his left shoulder. Won’t try to force passes and doesn’t turn the ball over very often for that reason. Becoming a better shooter from the perimeter could help him become even more prolific offensively.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lub9L8v-_ec

[Mr. Body]

Now that we have David Lee, what do we need for the last spot, hmmm???

Yi Jianlian?

Nocioni??

Rudy Fernandez??

Or perhaps bring back Andre Miller??

Or someone from the d league?

Or Bryn Forbes??

WHO DO YOU THINK GUYS, IS BEST FOR OUR LAST SPOT?

Chris Gatling.

[Thomas82]

Good insurance for the price.

Spurs are likely going to go 3 deep in the front-court when it matters ( playoffs, or close games) anyways -- if matchups stay equal and don't go small.

People forget, there's still only 96 minutes in the front-court in a game -- sometimes a lot less with todays NBA when teams go small. This year will be the first year since the 97-99' years where Spurs have two big men able to play 28-30+ minutes per game. The minutes per game may be less in the end if Spurs blow out a lot of teams , but in competitive games, Spurs will play Aldridge 35-38 minutes per game, Pau 28-32, Dedmon 18-22. That leaves only 10-12 mpg for Small ball PF ( Kawhi) or Anderson/Lee.

Its crazy to think that TD played w/18-22 mpg role playing bigs next to him for 15 straight years after Robinson hurt his back in 01'. That's why depth was pretty important during those years. This year, the depth in the front-court is nice in case of injury, but if everyone stays healthy, depth won't be needed as much as it has been.

It's going to be very interesting this year to see the Lee/Anderson competition at the back up PF, and the Bertans/Simmons competition for the wing minutes around Manu off the bench. Sure against the JV teams, everyone will get time during blow outs or during roadtrips w/ back to backs or 3 games in 5 nights, but what matters is the rotation come playoff time. Then, there will be little amount of minutes for the Lee, Anderson, Bertans, Simmons cluster. If teams is healthy, at most only two out of that cluster will carve out a type of role in the playoffs.

+1

[YGWHI]

I loved Andre Miller but he will be 41, personally I'd take Forbes.

How much do you think that Lee sign will affect Kyle's playing time?

Most people say he would have minutes as SF backup and take Boris minutes at PF, but with Lee that scenario has changed, right?

[SAGirl]

How much do you think that Lee sign will affect Kyle's playing time?

Most people say he would have minutes as SF backup and take Boris minutes at PF, but with Lee that scenario has changed, right?

Not sure exactly. It probably does affect him but it's difficult to say by how much, and maybe not that much provided he comes out balling. It's really on him at this point to be aggressive with his game. If he dominates Lee like he dominated Vonleh, Trey Lyles, and crew in Summer League, I don't think he would need to worry about his playing time at this point. Lee will just present a challenge and help him get better. After all, there are more challenging players around the league than Lee, who he will need to face every night. Dominating Lee should just be the beginning.

For Lee, the question is how did they sell him to come in here to compete with kyle like this? It doesn't sound too appealing. Pop probably sold him on the culture, mentoring 3 forwards aged 23-24 in LJC, KA, and DB, the only one who is slotted to play with some certainty being Kyle, but he's a versatile player that Pop already slides within 3 other positions depending on what other injuries there are in the roster or guys getting rested, and if he slides to a different spot to cover for someone the Spurs need Lee or somebody. Then on top of that Pau is likely to get rested, Dedmon is somewhat raw himself, he's a late bloomer who started playing late in his life, and there are injuries within a season inevitably. So even with Kyle getting minutes as a 4, Pop probably sold Lee on the fact they would still find him playing time, and it's true.

The other issue concerns not Kyle, but what about at least Simmons or Bertans providing that depth in the wings so that Pop doesn't need to slide Kyle in spots anymore? The answer is simple: those guys have to earn it too and they haven't yet. So ultimately Lee provides the depth, and the challenge for all these guys to compete and get better and they have to come out balling and earn it.

In terms of roster fit, Lee and Dedmon are not exactly good together, both are roll men who play in the paint and will need to play with shooters to be able to play their games, so depth and all, to fit Lee Pop will need to tweak things around. Kyle is the more seamless fit, and after that Bertans.

[YGWHI]

Not sure exactly. It probably does affect him but it's difficult to say by how much, and maybe not that much provided he comes out balling. It's really on him at this point to be aggressive with his game. If he dominates Lee like he dominated Vonleh, Trey Lyles, and crew in Summer League, I don't think he would need to worry about his playing time at this point. Lee will just present a challenge and help him get better. After all, there are more challenging players around the league than Lee, who he will need to face every night. Dominating Lee should just be the beginning.

For Lee, the question is how did they sell him to come in here to compete with kyle like this? It doesn't sound too appealing. Pop probably sold him on the culture, mentoring 3 forwards aged 23-24 in LJC, KA, and DB, the only one who is slotted to play with some certainty being Kyle, but he's a versatile player that Pop already slides within 3 other positions depending on what other injuries there are in the roster or guys getting rested, and if he slides to a different spot to cover for someone the Spurs need Lee or somebody. Then on top of that Pau is likely to get rested, Dedmon is somewhat raw himself, he's a late bloomer who started playing late in his life, and there are injuries within a season inevitably. So even with Kyle getting minutes as a 4, Pop probably sold Lee on the fact they would still find him playing time, and it's true.

The other issue concerns not Kyle, but what about at least Simmons or Bertans providing that depth in the wings so that Pop doesn't need to slide Kyle in spots anymore? The answer is simple: those guys have to earn it too and they haven't yet. So ultimately Lee provides the depth, and the challenge for all these guys to compete and get better and they have to come out balling and earn it.

In terms of roster fit, Lee and Dedmon are not exactly good together, both are roll men who play in the paint and will need to play with shooters to be able to play their games, so depth and all, to fit Lee Pop will need to tweak things around. Kyle is the more seamless fit, and after that Bertans.

I'm so excited about this next season but scared at the same time.

Pop'll love to play mad scientist all season. With so many new guys and the need to develop young players, no one should blame him after all.

[Kawhitstorm]

Spurs are likely going to go 3 deep in the front-court when it matters ( playoffs, or close games) anyways -- if matchups stay equal and don't go small.


Spurs frontline is built like the 2000 Blazers:

-Sabonis: Pau (25 MPG)
-Sheed: LMA (35 MPG)
-Grant: Lee (21 MPG)
-JO: Dedmon (12 MPG)
-Pippen: Kawhi (33 MPG)
-Schrempf: Bertans (21 MPG)
-Bonzi: Kyle (17 MPG)

The main difference is that Sabonis was a 20-25 minute guy like Bogut & Schrempf was a proven rotation player.

[venitian navigator]

if Lee, as supposed to be, is gonna be our small ball center, it's easy to see one ofb the two non guaranteed staying depending og the more emerging need come tc time.

so starting line up: Parker - Green - Leonard - Alridge - Gasol
second unit: Manu - Mills - Anderson - Bertans - Dedmon
third unit: Murray - Forbes - Simmons - LJC - Lee
(Arcidiacono) (Murray)

[MaNu4Tres]

Spurs frontline is built like the 2000 Blazers:

-Sabonis: Pau (25 MPG)
-Sheed: LMA (35 MPG)
-Grant: Lee (21 MPG)
-JO: Dedmon (12 MPG)
-Pippen: Kawhi (33 MPG)
-Schrempf: Bertans (21 MPG)
-Bonzi: Kyle (17 MPG)

The main difference is that Sabonis was a 20-25 minute guy like Bogut & Schrempf was a proven rotation player.

No the main difference is that the 2016/2017 Spurs have entirely different players than the 2000 Blazers. I don't see the comparison or why that is even relevant to my notion. ( I was talking about the playoff rotation).

When it matters (playoffs)-- if lineups of opposition stay true and don't go small, it will be:

Center: Pau (28-32 mpg)/ Dedmon (17-20)
Power Forward: Aldridge (35-38)/ Lee, Anderson, or Kawhi (6-16mpg).

Overall for the whole season, including blowouts, 2nd of Back to backs, or 3rd game in 5 nights or times bench gets a lot of run -- minutes will increase more for the bench players. Why do people care about the minutes when it doesn't really matter? I'm strictly talking about when it matters -- the playoffs -- Lee, Bertans and Anderson won't play 21 mpg, 21 mpg, and 17 mpg in the Playoffs. That's absurd.

[venitian navigator]

...we have to consider that some of our roster will play in rio...and that could mean that, at least at the beginning of the season, there will be very good chanches for our young players to show how reliable they can be.

Parker, Manu, Mills, Gasol will need time to rest and then be back in shape...and that probably means that Murray, KA, Bertans, Simmons and Deadmon (aka our young guns) will be tested with good amount of minutes. I agree that playoffs is a different kind of game, but we have probably no other chance of success than try to sort out some kind of real contribution for the post season from at least three of them...

[Mr. Body]

Spurs frontline is built like the 2000 Blazers:

-Sabonis: Pau (25 MPG)
-Sheed: LMA (35 MPG)
-Grant: Lee (21 MPG)
-JO: Dedmon (12 MPG)
-Pippen: Kawhi (33 MPG)
-Schrempf: Bertans (21 MPG)
-Bonzi: Kyle (17 MPG)

The main difference is that Sabonis was a 20-25 minute guy like Bogut & Schrempf was a proven rotation player.

If only. That team was stacked. Totally robbed by the league.

[From Downtown]

I think Bertans will be a surprise

[raybies]

if Lee, as supposed to be, is gonna be our small ball center, it's easy to see one ofb the two non guaranteed staying depending og the more emerging need come tc time.

so starting line up: Parker - Green - Leonard - Alridge - Gasol
second unit: Manu - Mills - Anderson - Bertans - Dedmon
third unit: Murray - Forbes - Simmons - LJC - Lee
(Arcidiacono) (Murray)

Exactly how I see it. While certain players may be unproven, this is a pretty deep team, potentially of course. We have a good balance of facilitators and shooters on each string. Very versatile with lineups so there will be plenty of options to mix and match.

[r0drig0lac]

I think Bertans will be a surprise
it will be the Kawhi's backup before the all star game

[Mr. Body]

I think Bertans will be a surprise

He has chemistry with Murray I'd like to see more of.

[raybies]

He has chemistry with Murray I'd like to see more of.

The shooter and creator go together like lamb and tuna fish. Just playing ball with my friends I've made a living playing off someone that can get into the lane. I know Murray can get into the lane at will on his own but he needs to be taught the pick and roll and almost exclusively play that roll. It's just better for the team and the looks on the offense.

[montgod]

Chris Gatling.

I heard Flip Murray is trying to make a come back lol

[peacemaker885]

Pop next season....

https://www.talkstuff.net/ipb/uploads/72cb8e9fde34f1cab269d0a641807808.jpg

[SAGirl]

No the main difference is that the 2016/2017 Spurs have entirely different players than the 2000 Blazers. I don't see the comparison or why that is even relevant to my notion. ( I was talking about the playoff rotation).

When it matters (playoffs)-- if lineups of opposition stay true and don't go small, it will be:

Center: Pau (28-32 mpg)/ Dedmon (17-20)
Power Forward: Aldridge (35-38)/ Lee, Anderson, or Kawhi (6-16mpg).

Overall for the whole season, including blowouts, 2nd of Back to backs, or 3rd game in 5 nights or times bench gets a lot of run -- minutes will increase more for the bench players. Why do people care about the minutes when it doesn't really matter? I'm strictly talking about when it matters -- the playoffs -- Lee, Bertans and Anderson won't play 21 mpg, 21 mpg, and 17 mpg in the Playoffs. That's absurd.
Don't know about others, but for me the regular season matters. It's often more interesting than the playoffs if you like to watch team dynamics. The team is like an organism that has acquired new parts and lost some old ones. Whatever comes out in the postseason is a result of the team's development through the season, including the possibility of some guys playing X or Y spot. Without seeing them play first through the season, to talk about the playoffs a year ahead in a vacuum is actually pointless to me.

[MaNu4Tres]

Don't know about others, but for me the regular season matters. It's often more interesting than the playoffs if you like to watch team dynamics. The team is like an organism that has acquired new parts and lost some old ones. Whatever comes out in the postseason is a result of the team's development through the season, including the possibility of some guys playing X or Y spot. Without seeing them play first through the season, to talk about the playoffs a year ahead in a vacuum is actually pointless to me.

Of course regular season matters in general, but I'm talking strictly about minute allocation throughout the regular season (when Pop plays everyone to a degree in stints) and the playoffs (when Pop cuts down the rotation and increases the minutes for the starters). Counting the mpg throughout the regular season isn't going to be the same as it is in the playoffs. Minutes are increased for the starters when competition is tight or in the playoffs and the Spurs will win or lose in May or June based on their top 8-10 guys in the rotation, not guys 11-15. That being said, only two of the four of the Lee, Anderson; Bertans, Simmons will have a relevant role once the playoffs begin.

Let me ask you. How important were Butler, McCallum, Boban, Martin, Miller and Bonner when it mattered last year? What kind of relevant role did they play besides filling in the minutes during blowouts, 2nd of back to backs, ect. during the regular season?

[From Downtown]

Rumours on twitter saying we might sign Garino

[Escawun3]

Reading a lot of tweets about Patricio Garino to Spurs, is it true?

[Chinook]

Probably yet another player to compete with Forbes and Arcidiacono

[K...]

Official on garino per woj. I'd assume minimum training camp terms

[K...]

@WojVerticalNBA Garino will play in Olympics for Argentina with Maun Ginobili and Luis Scola. Gregg Popovich watched Garino vs. Team USA in Vegas last week.

Link to Tweet: https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/759081086265810944

[SAGirl]

Of course regular season matters in general, but I'm talking strictly about minute allocation throughout the regular season (when Pop plays everyone to a degree in stints) and the playoffs (when Pop cuts down the rotation and increases the minutes for the starters). Counting the mpg throughout the regular season isn't going to be the same as it is in the playoffs. Minutes are increased for the starters when competition is tight or in the playoffs and the Spurs will win or lose in May or June based on their top 8-10 guys in the rotation, not guys 11-15. That being said, only two of the four of the Lee, Anderson; Bertans, Simmons will have a relevant role once the playoffs begin.

Let me ask you. How important were Butler, McCallum, Boban, Martin, Miller and Bonner when it mattered last year? What kind of relevant role did they play besides filling in the minutes during blowouts, 2nd of back to backs, ect. during the regular season?
You are right that some guys had no place being in the playoffs, but the season was a journey. At one point Kyle was looking like he needed dleague again to get confidence back for example, and ppl were getting ready to bury him, but he pulled it together for a series of games that the team needed him to and he came out ahead. Everyone else but him of the younger players got dleague at one point or another: Boban, Ray, even Simmons. It was sort of a journey.

So I don't think it's that clear right now who of the new players/specially the younger ones will come out ahead bc these guys are still getting better. Meanwhile Lee is a known quantity with his good and bad aspects, but at least you know what you get. He's a PnR big, but so is Dedmon. I'd prefer for Dedmon to be the guy getting the backup center spot bc he better physical tools to defend but the guy is somewhat raw and Lee is a vet. It's just really hard to say right now how all this will shake up.

[SAGirl]

According to multiple outlets out of Argentina and Orazio Cauchi of Sportando.com, undrafted Argentine small forward Patricio Garino will be signing (https://twitter.com/paxer89/status/759077880328511488) a partially guaranteed deal with the San Antonio Spurs. Garino’s agency also confirmed the agreement between Garino and San Antonio.
With the Spurs having one spot available, should Jonathon Simmons’ deal for the season become fully guaranteed Saturday, Garino will compete with Ryan Arcidiacono and Bryn Forbes for the final roster spot on the team.
Garino, 6’7″, attended George Washington University the last four years, with averages of 14.1 points and 4.2 rebounds per game in his senior season. Garino, 23, went undrafted in the 2016 NBA Draft, but he did play with the Orlando Magic Summer League team, in the Orlando Summer League.
Garino is also playing with current Spur Manu Ginobili on the Argentine National team, but he reportedly left to the United States briefly to sign his contract in San Antonio. Last week, when Argentina faced the United States in an exhibition, Spurs Head Coach Gregg Popovich was in attendance for the game, and he got to see Garino play, according to Adrian Wojnarowski of the Vertical.
With Garino on the roster, the Spurs’ roster will be up to 17 contracts. The team can carry as many as 20 contracts in training camp, but the final roster must be trimmed to 15 by the start of the NBA season.

http://projectspurs.com/2016-articles/patricio-garino-to-sign-with-spurs.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=patricio-garino-to-sign-with-spurs

[SAGirl]

759094586744516608

[beirmeistr]

759094586744516608

uh, uh, is someone with initials K.A. going to be jealous?

[SAGirl]

759087492297404420

[montgod]

759087492297404420

So if some of the other bubble players like Arci, Garino, Forbes, outplay Livio, what are the rules again for Livio playing the season in the D-league? Can they go the whole season or is it limited to only a specific timeframe? I don't realistcally see Arci making the team honestly, but definitely see Livio and Murray being in the D-League often depending on how summer camp goes.

[Chinook]

So if some of the other bubble players like Arci, Garino, Forbes, outplay Livio, what are the rules again for Livio playing the season in the D-league? Can they go the whole season or is it limited to only a specific timeframe? I don't realistcally see Arci making the team honestly, but definitely see Livio and Murray being in the D-League often depending on how summer camp goes.

LJC counts against the roster limit whether he's in SA or Austin.

[montgod]

LJC counts against the roster limit whether he's in SA or Austin.

Okay, thanks! That makes sense since he isn't overseas which I believe is criteria to not be counted against roster limit.

[Chinook]

Okay, thanks! That makes sense since he isn't overseas which I believe is criteria to not be counted against roster limit.

It's because he has a contract with the SA Spurs. Cady was not overseas last season but didn't count because he was signed by the Austin Spurs.

[HankChinaski]

Garino, Forbes, Arcidiacono and possibly Simmons fighting for that remaining roster spot.

[HankChinaski]

Although I don't think Arcidiacono makes the final cut. Garino, Forbes, Simmons come training camp and final roster cuts before opening night one of those three players isn't going to make roster. Will be interesting to watch what happens in preseason.

[Leetonidas]

Simmons isn't fighting to make the team imo. with such a meh guard situation and considering he's pretty athletic and on a super cheap deal I don't see the Spurs letting him go

[Chinook]

Simmons isn't fighting to make the team imo. with such a meh guard situation and considering he's pretty athletic and on a super cheap deal I don't see the Spurs letting him go

He has the worst deal out of anyone he's possibly competing with. I agree he isn't on the chopping block. But his contract is a massively overrated factor (as is his athleticism, honestly).

[Leetonidas]

I agree but considering the other options it's not a tough pull to swallow for a third SG imo. I dont think any of these guys will end up making the roster in the end anyway

[Kawhitstorm]

If only. That team was stacked. Totally robbed by the league.

The 2000 Blazers were "stacked" only in the context of 20th century NBA.:lol

Smitty led them in win-shares during BOTH the regular season & postseason. The same Smitty that was wetting the bed in a Spurs jersey during the 2002 postseason.:lol

Damon Stoudamire/Greg Antony weren't better than Porker/Patty.:lol

The vaunted Front court:

-Sabonis was physically Bogut status & Schrempf was more washed up than 39 yr old Manu.:lol

-Brian Grant was the black Anderson Verejao (Cleveland version) & Bonzi was a 2nd year player whom they were depending on in the playoffs like the Cavs were w/ Dick Jefferson.:lol

-Rasheed was their most talented player but he NEVER made an All-NBA team & Pippen was 2014 Manu status with better defense.

The Rest:

O'Neal barely played & Augmon was no better than Kevin Martin.:lol

[r0drig0lac]

Simmons isn't fighting to make the team

[Kawhitstorm]

When it matters (playoffs)-- if lineups of opposition stay true and don't go small, it will be:

Center: Pau (28-32 mpg)/ Dedmon (17-20)
Power Forward: Aldridge (35-38)/ Lee, Anderson, or Kawhi (6-16mpg).


Dedmon hasn't even played a meaningful regular season game & he's being penciled in for 17-20 minutes.:lol

Ezeli got benched for Sideshow Bob b/c his stone hands & low IQ which are two qualities that Dedmon possess meanwhile Lee was playing over Draymond in the Finals.:lol

It's not like Lee is K-Mart status, he only played 25 games w/ the Mavs as a backup PF but he had an offensive rating of :wow125:wow & his defensive rating for the past 4 seasons has been BETTER than Diaw's in a Spurs uniform. Manu/Lee are going to destroy teams like Manu/TiaGOAT.

Instead of Kawhi playing small-ball PF, Kyle is most likely going to get a bigger role since the only other competent perimeter defender on the team is Danny. This is going to be a make or break season for Kyle.

[Keepin' it real]

I think neither LJC nor Simmons will be on the opening day roster. (But I won't say "book it".)

[Leetonidas]

Dude, LJC is signed. where is he going outside of a trade as all know isn't going to happen?

[DPG21920]

Dedmon hasn't even played a meaningful regular season game & he's being penciled in for 17-20 minutes.:lol

Ezeli got benched for Sideshow Bob b/c his stone hands & low IQ which are two qualities that Dedmon possess meanwhile Lee was playing over Draymond in the Finals.:lol

It's not like Lee is K-Mart status, he only played 25 games w/ the Mavs as a backup PF but he had an offensive rating of :wow125:wow & his defensive rating for the past 4 seasons has been BETTER than Diaw's in a Spurs uniform. Manu/Lee are going to destroy teams like Manu/TiaGOAT.

Instead of Kawhi playing small-ball PF, Kyle is most likely going to get a bigger role since the only other competent perimeter defender on the team is Danny. This is going to be a make or break season for Kyle.

While some of that is true, Dedmon provides something no other big does: Mobility on defense. He is a plus defender and seems to be a damn good finisher around the rim.

[SAGirl]

Simmons' contract is about to become guaranteed and the Spurs have been developing a project in him. I believe they will want to test their project to see if he pans out. IMO he has gotten better. I have watched him for several seasons and he has improved a lot. The issue is whether his improvement is enough and the Spurs will want to find that out. He makes the team and Spurs go from there. If he's regressing through the season, then that's another matter but up until this moment, I think they want to give him his chance.

I am at a disadvantage not having watched Garino play before. I liked Forbes a lot, but if Garino can shoot the 3 and defend better than Forbes he could technically make it. The preseason games should be interesting and Garino competing internationally helps his experience and readiness.

[DPG21920]

Having another defender, regardless of shooting seems like a great idea to me.

My only concern is that talent wise guard is a big weakeness so may need to go more PG/SG than SG/SF but obviously BPA is the best way at this point.

[Kawhitstorm]

While some of that is true, Dedmon provides something no other big does: Mobility on defense. He is a plus defender and seems to be a damn good finisher around the rim.

2011 Tiago happened.:lol

If he doesn't gain Pop's trust then he ain't going to play over Lee in the postseason.:wakeup

[Mr. Body]

The 2000 Blazers were "stacked" only in the context of 20th century NBA.:lol

Smitty led them in win-shares during BOTH the regular season & postseason. The same Smitty that was wetting the bed in a Spurs jersey during the 2002 postseason.:lol

Damon Stoudamire/Greg Antony weren't better than Porker/Patty.:lol

The vaunted Front court:

-Sabonis was physically Bogut status & Schrempf was more washed up than 39 yr old Manu.:lol

-Brian Grant was the black Anderson Verejao (Cleveland version) & Bonzi was a 2nd year player whom they were depending on in the playoffs like the Cavs were w/ Dick Jefferson.:lol

-Rasheed was their most talented player but he NEVER made an All-NBA team & Pippen was 2014 Manu status with better defense.

The Rest:

O'Neal barely played & Augmon was no better than Kevin Martin.:lol

Yet without DavidSternrefs they would have won the championship, so who is full of shit here?

[Kawhitstorm]

Yet without DavidSternrefs they would have won the championship, so who is full of shit here?

So, the 2004 Pistons were "stacked"?

[Mr. Body]

So, the 2004 Pistons were "stacked"?

What the fuck dude

[Kawhitstorm]

What the fuck dude

Bruh, the most talented player on BOTH squads was Rasheed & Pippen/Smitty/Sabonis/Bonzi/Grant/Damon/Schrempf/Anthony weren't better than Billups/Rip/Ben/Prince/Okur/Hunter/Williamson/James but yet the 2004 Pistons were called a team made up of "role players".:lol

[r0drig0lac]

Billups Rip Ben Prince...this team was stacked

[SAGirl]

2011 Tiago happened.:lol

If he doesn't gain Pop's trust then he ain't going to play over Lee in the postseason.:wakeup
Have to agree. Lee is a vet tested in the playoffs. Dedmon has about the same minutes played total for his career as Kyle, who did play in the playoffs (Kyle played more if one takes into account dleague minutes + playoffs). That says a lot about readiness. Season will be interesting anyways but I do think ppl jump to conclusions before the games are played out.

[gambit1990]

warriors signing javale.

[ace3g]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)The Warriors need a rim protector and have chosen to give JaVale McGee an opportunity in training camp to fill that void, sources tell ESPN.

[Robz4000]

Just more coverage for the media darlings (albeit on Shaqtin' a Fool :lol)...

[sasaint]

On offense all Javale can do is roll. He might work out well for them.

[LakerHater]

whats a Make-Good Deal ?

[Kawhitstorm]

On offense all Javale can do is roll. He might work out well for them.

Kerr refused to play Ezeli so I can't imagine him giving meaningful minutes to probably the guy w/ the lowest Bball IQ in the league.:lol

[Kawhitstorm]

whats a Make-Good Deal ?

Sign a partially guaranteed contract but the contract could be FULLY guaranteed if he plays well in camp.

[Ron Swanson]

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Dead wife guy right? He should be good...(parker joke)

[BatManu20]

Welcome back Monty.

[BatManu20]

Damn.


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[dabom]

Dead wife guy right? He should be good...(parker joke)

Not even funny dude...

[tonight...you]

Damn.


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I did that with my mother the first three years after her death. Took a marriage for me to stop.

[SAGirl]

Damn.


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Breaks my heart... That's real loss right there. :depressed

[MaNu4Tres]

Dedmon hasn't even played a meaningful regular season game & he's being penciled in for 17-20 minutes.:lol

Ezeli got benched for Sideshow Bob b/c his stone hands & low IQ which are two qualities that Dedmon possess meanwhile Lee was playing over Draymond in the Finals.:lol

It's not like Lee is K-Mart status, he only played 25 games w/ the Mavs as a backup PF but he had an offensive rating of :wow125:wow & his defensive rating for the past 4 seasons has been BETTER than Diaw's in a Spurs uniform. Manu/Lee are going to destroy teams like Manu/TiaGOAT.

Instead of Kawhi playing small-ball PF, Kyle is most likely going to get a bigger role since the only other competent perimeter defender on the team is Danny. This is going to be a make or break season for Kyle.

1. Dedmon will be the 3rd big -- we will see who is right about that when season rolls around.

2. Lee will compete with Anderson for minutes at back up PF ( when everyone is healthy/ no one rests).

3. Anderson will certainly get time to sink or swim at back up PF or small ball four all regular season. No one is denying that-- but if you read back I was talking about the potential playoff rotation when Kawhi may play 38-40+ in close games. Kawhi would see minutes at small ball four over Kyle in those scenarios.

[ceperez]

1. Dedmon will be the 3rd big -- we will see who is right about that when season rolls around.

2. Lee will compete with Anderson for minutes at back up PF ( when everyone is healthy/ no one rests).

3. Anderson will certainly get time to sink or swim at back up PF or small ball four all regular season. No one is denying that-- but if you read back I was talking about the potential playoff rotation when Kawhi may play 38-40+ in close games. Kawhi would see minutes at small ball four over Kyle in those scenarios.

Anderson can be a PF only in small ball situations.

The second team with Dedmon, Lee, Anderson, Manu and Mills looks pretty good IMHO.

There are also all sorts of combinations that you can mix up: Dedmon, Lee, Bertans, Anderson, Mills. Dedmon, LJC, Bertans, Simmons, Anderson. Lee, Anderson, Bertans, Manu, Simmons. They dynamics are good in that you got passers and finishers.

[MaNu4Tres]

Anderson can be a PF only in small ball situations.

The second team with Dedmon, Lee, Anderson, Manu and Mills looks pretty good IMHO.

There are also all sorts of combinations that you can mix up: Dedmon, Lee, Bertans, Anderson, Mills. Dedmon, LJC, Bertans, Simmons, Anderson. Lee, Anderson, Bertans, Manu, Simmons. They dynamics are good in that you got passers and finishers.

I think you'll see Anderson at back up PF more than you think. Guarding back up PFs shouldn't be a concern -- Anderson has the girth and length that Bertans doesn't have to hold his own and compete for rebounds inside.

Also, he'll be great at switching or hedging on perimeter players on defense as teams hardly post up anymore. If SA can induce back up PFs to try to score in the post that will work in SAS favor in the long run.

As for offense, Anderson is better at being a play maker from mid range area like Diaw, whether he's keeping it for himself at fake dribble hand offs or receiving passes out of the roll in PNRs at around the foul line, becoming the secondary play maker making decisions against a lot of 2 on 1 or 3 on 2 situations inside the circle or at the foul line.

Kyle's future is at the 4, not the 3 imo. Bertans and Simmons will compete for the back up SF minutes next to Manu.imo

[ceperez]

I think you'll see Anderson at back up PF more than you think. Guarding back up PFs shouldn't be a concern -- Anderson has the girth and length that Bertans doesn't have to hold his own and compete for rebounds inside.

Also, he'll be great at switching or hedging on perimeter players on defense as teams hardly post up anymore. If SA can induce back up PFs to try to score in the post that will work in SAS favor in the long run.

As for offense, Anderson is better at being a play maker from mid range area like Diaw, whether he's keeping it for himself at fake dribble hand offs or receiving passes out of the roll in PNRs at around the foul line, becoming the secondary play maker making decisions against a lot of 2 on 1 or 3 on 2 situations inside the circle or at the foul line.

Kyle's future is at the 4, not the 3 imo. Bertans and Simmons will compete for the back up SF minutes next to Manu.imo

Anderson is most effective against much smaller players. SG sized players can't guard him.

I guess the game may have changed enough that the PF on offense should be a perimeter player (or someone who stretches the floor). If KA has a mean 3 point shot, then I can see him having minutes as a stretch PF.

However, I think he's most effective as a guard assuming that there is mobile paint protection (i.e. Dedmond). I don't he has a prayer guarding the usual NBA guard one one one.

[ceperez]

With 15 players guaranteed and 3 players unguaranteed for the last and final slot.... who's your pick?

14 players:

parker / mills / murray
green/ ginobili/ simmons
leonard/ anderson/ bertans
aldridge / lee / jean charles
pau / dedmon

the contenders arcidiacono, forbes, garino ...

I like Forbes shooting but am concerned with his size (6'3").
Arci is best dribbler but he's got size and athletic limitations.
Garino is not a natural shooter, but he could be a 3 and D player with his size (6'7"). Garino is just more athletic that Forbes or Arci.

I suspect if Garino can shoot better over the summer, then he gets the nod.

[cutewizard]

I like Garino already, i want another defender....

[palangi]

With 15 players guaranteed and 3 players unguaranteed for the last and final slot.... who's your pick?

14 players:

parker / mills / murray
green/ ginobili/ simmons
leonard/ anderson/ bertans
aldridge / lee / jean charles
pau / dedmon

the contenders arcidiacono, forbes, garino ...

I like Forbes shooting but am concerned with his size (6'3").
Arci is best dribbler but he's got size and athletic limitations.
Garino is not a natural shooter, but he could be a 3 and D player with his size (6'7"). Garino is just more athletic that Forbes or Arci.

I suspect if Garino can shoot better over the summer, then he gets the nod.
I think it will be Garino. And he spends most of the year optioned down to Austin

[palangi]

With 15 players guaranteed and 3 players unguaranteed for the last and final slot.... who's your pick?

14 players:

parker / mills / murray
green/ ginobili/ simmons
leonard/ anderson/ bertans
aldridge / lee / jean charles
pau / dedmon

the contenders arcidiacono, forbes, garino ...

I like Forbes shooting but am concerned with his size (6'3").
Arci is best dribbler but he's got size and athletic limitations.
Garino is not a natural shooter, but he could be a 3 and D player with his size (6'7"). Garino is just more athletic that Forbes or Arci.

I suspect if Garino can shoot better over the summer, then he gets the nod.
It will be interesting to see Austin with Garino, Forbes, Arci, LJC, and Murray (for stints). To go along with some of the talent already there.

[BackHome]

Forbes is basically Patty he will have to guard the PG on defense and on offense he is the SG. I think he will do well paired with Murray but not so good with Arci just because Murray should be able to get him easier shoots from
his ability to get to the rim.

I really like GARINO he has size and length and quickness to guard SG and SF if he can get his shot down he will battle Simmons. But yeah our Austin team should be stacked and will have to go check them out next year.

[r0drig0lac]

Garino is 6-6 or 6-7, shot 43% for 3 in the last season and can play defense , he is the best option for the last slot

[gambit1990]

so ready for the season to start. and for the roster to be more finalized.

no more bonner?
:danceclub

[LakerHater]

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[Mr. Body]

You want to make fun of dudes that sign in China, then realize they make more money than you will in ten years...

[LakerHater]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cou6yT3UIAArYfl.jpg

[cutewizard]

Is Lamarcus ready?? to lead us into the sunrise............

[tonight...you]

Is Lamarcus ready?? to lead us into the sunrise............
From the angles of the shadows... I'm willing to bet that these pics were taken in the morning so...

[BatManu20]

Argentina releases a farewell tribute to Manu for his last Olympics.


http://youtu.be/MlKd4N9-yVs

[RD2191]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cou6yT3UIAArYfl.jpg

Wtf is he doing at rams training camp?

[J_Paco]

Parker is their best trade piece and he absolutely would be moved if necessary. He's far from untouchable.

I didn't realize you had a connection in the front office? Can you tell us who they will target to relinquish Tony since you are in the "know?"

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Who is penciled in as the backup SF? Is it still Kyle? I thought the plan was to play him at stretch 4. But Bertans did mention he'll be played at PF.

[tmtcsc]

I didn't realize you had a connection in the front office? Can you tell us who they will target to relinquish Tony since you are in the "know?"

I have it on good authority they will trade him for you and a bag of Julios chips.

[J_Paco]

I have it on good authority they will trade him for you and a bag of Julios chips.

Thanks for the insight.

You've been on that train headed nowhere all summer long. Parker is likely going to play out his contract in San Antonio unless an offer/opportunity blows them away. I doubt Tony has much caché left around the league with his age, limted productivity and salary so Spurs will need to work "around him" in a sense.

If it was up to me they would have a better starter available in a Brandon Knight, Reggie Jackson or (healthy) Jeff Teague (with Tony being the "new Manu" 6th man), yet none of those players are viable options anymore. They will go with what they have and address the issue next year most likely.

I see DeJount as a combo guard and succesor to Manu (starting or backing up) then as our future starting PG. I love that he has point guard skills, but much like the guy he patterns his game after (Jamal Crawford) scoring and creating for himself will probably be his biggest strengths.

LOL at the idea of Kyle Anderson ever being a starting PG. Of all the fangirl/homerish stuff that you type about him (SAGirl) that his the most ludicrous. He would be torn apart having to bring the ball up consistently against starting calber players, doesn't have the athleticism to match up against most starters and isn't an adequate shooting threat from anywhere on the floor. Pop finally moving on from Diaw (bye BoBo) and letting Kyle play that position of "stretch/combo 4" is exactly what Kyle needs. It'll be the only way he'll stick in the league long-term with his athletic limitations.

I like the competition for the 15th spot, but I wish we could have found a player like the Argentine a few years earlier. I really, really think they need to invest the last roster spot in emergency/development point guard or another big man (tweener PF/C). Training camp and preseason should be interesting....