Official 2016 Spurs Offseason Thread

[NASpurs]

I will never complain about Danny Green's contract.

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

One more thing - I saw an article saying that if Durant signs a 1-year deal this season, and then a max deal next year under the bigger cap, he'll make an extra $25M or something like that, overall. I'm too tired to go look for the exact number, but the amount of money it adds to his career earnings is insane.

Now... where is he most likely to sign a deal like that?

Hope its accurate...

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[DPG21920]

Lakers making Mosgov their starting center giving him 65 million , or 14.5 % of next yrs cap ( not bad) when cap rises again to 108-110 million.

Agents & GMs would be irresponsible to not take that into consideration.

You have to (IMO) stop looking at just the math. I agree with your math, but you are basically by default defending every single contract handed out. So you think there are no bad contracts then essentially this off season?

He's not only not worth 15% of the cap, there's no reason to believe he will be a starting quality center for 4 years. Was anyone else offering 4 years for him? Noah, OK, he's a name and was very good once and has friends in NY. But Mozgov?

[marinoman]

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Whatever he decides is cool. I'm just happy he isn't going through a egotistical, self-absorbed retirement tour which has become the new norm

[NASpurs]

Like M4T was saying though, everyone knows the cap is jumping again next year. So these GM's are looking at what these contracts will be with regards to % of the cap next year, not this upcoming one. It's subtle, and doesn't mean these contracts are good, but it's important to remember that.

It's 25% of this year's cap but that's no biggie since they have a ton of money. Next year when the cap jumps that % will shrink.

But I hate Parson's and he's never proven to be worth any max, any time despite getting it twice (his team's hate him after and let him go).

How much is it supposed to go up next year?

Hopefully the cap goes up to $150 million. It's the only way some of these numbers make sense. :lol

And not only that, is it going to be worse next year? All of this over paying?

[Kindergarten Cop]

How much is it supposed to go up next year?

Hopefully the cap goes up to $150 million. It's the only way some of these numbers make sense. :lol

And not only that, is it going to be worse next year?

It's projected to rise to $110M next year, but plateau (or possibly drop) after that.

[Nathan89]

DMC said Tim Duncan wasn't worth $6mil. Based on Noah and Mozgov he is worth $18+mil.

[siraulo23]

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[MaNu4Tres]

You have to (IMO) stop looking at just the math. I agree with your math, but you are basically by default defending every single contract handed out. So you think there are no bad contracts then essentially this off season?

He's not only not worth 15% of the cap, there's no reason to believe he will be a starting quality center for 4 years. Was anyone else offering 4 years for him? Noah, OK, he's a name and was very good once and has friends in NY. But Mozgov?

I believe for desperate teams, who don't have many options at all, it makes sense to spend 14.5% of cap on a starting center.

Are they overpaying to secure avg talent, yes. But it makes sense based on where the cap is going and their current desperate situation. Demand for a competent or even avg. center is high.

[siraulo23]

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Edit: wrong thread :lol

[Nathan89]

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Some team will make an offer significantly better than us.

[NASpurs]

It's projected to rise to $110M next year, but plateau (or possibly drop) after that.

Hmmm OK, I guess it'll take a while for this to settle in and for us to adjust. :lol

[TheGoldStandard]

Some team will make an offer significantly better than us.

He'll still come here. Unless GS comes calling

[tmtcsc]

These early agreements in the works are insane. Who the hell were the Lakers competing with in regards to Mozgov? Parsons gets a Max verbal from Portland? Beal making 125 Mil? Noah for 70 Mil? We are looking at some of the dumbest, most irresponsible franchises in the league right now. Everyone take note. Hell, NONE of those players are worth that money next year when the cap goes up even more.

The Lakers are pathetic and Portland may lose Crabbe now. Their payroll can't afford the luxury of having Lillard, McCollum, Parsons AND Crabbe can it? WTF?

[Kindergarten Cop]

Some team will make an offer significantly better than us.

Quite possiby, but I certainly hope not. I just find it too strange for him NOT to end up in San Antonio considering the fit combined with all of the comments coming from his brother as the season came to a close.

[loveforthegame]

Spurs can't afford Gasol. That's why they're trying to secure Brouhaha and Lorbek instead.

[TheGoldStandard]

Quite possiby, but I certainly hope not. I just find it too strange for him NOT to end up in San Antonio considering the fit combined with all of the comments coming from his brother as the season came to a close.

It's just 4 years too late.

[tmtcsc]

He'll still come here. Unless GS comes calling

They are rumored to be considering doing that. I think the better basketball fit is here. The Spurs aren't running as much and he'll get more playing time in San Antonio. Of course GS will be able to offer him more $$.

Maybe he signs a 1 year deal and gets paid better next year.

[palangi]

Portland going full small-ball: Lillard-McCollum-Parsons-Aminu-Plumlee

2 White Americans starting in 2016:wow
Glad to see your bigoted racist ass hasn't change! Go suck a dick and choke on it and die.

[Kindergarten Cop]

It's just 4 years too late.

I disagree, especially if Timmy is truly retiring. While it would have been nice to sign Gasol a few seasons ago, that would have put us out of the running or consideration for Aldridge.

[Nathan89]

He'll still come here. Unless GS comes calling

He might get twice as much elsewhere.

[tmtcsc]

Quite possiby, but I certainly hope not. I just find it too strange for him NOT to end up in San Antonio considering the fit combined with all of the comments coming from his brother as the season came to a close.

I don't think his brother's opinion will have any impact whatsoever. It will come down to chance to win, play and get paid. Greater chance for him to play more here in San Antonio.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Glad to see your bigoted racist ass hasn't change! Go suck a dick and choke on it and die.

Wow! :wow Was this really necessary?

[Kindergarten Cop]

I don't think his brother's opinion will have any impact whatsoever. It will come down to chance to win, play and get paid. Greater chance for him to play more here in San Antonio.

I honestly don't think his brother is just tossing out that information to the media on his own, he's smarter than that. I think that it was something that Pau had honestly talked with him about and even told him that he didn't mind if he'd share it with the world.

[DPG21920]

How much is it supposed to go up next year?

Hopefully the cap goes up to $150 million. It's the only way some of these numbers make sense. :lol

And not only that, is it going to be worse next year? All of this over paying?

Early estimates have the cap at around 105-109M I think so up another 10M I believe.

[marinoman]

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Holy lolol

thanx for posting this, oh god

[DPG21920]

I believe for desperate teams, who don't have many options at all, it makes sense to spend 14.5% of cap on a starting center.

Are they overpaying to secure avg talent, yes. But it makes sense based on where the cap is going and their current desperate situation. Demand for a competent or even avg. center is high.

Sure, but do you think Mozgov is a starting caliber center? Is he one for 4 years? Does he help them get to playoffs? Is he a fit with a younger team with his age?

I think it's likely a no to most of those questions. And they rushed to get him. That deal could have been accepted at any time IMO.

Again, I have said and agree with your logic/math, I just don't think that by default every contract is a good one because it makes sense on the % of the cap.

[Kindergarten Cop]

They are rumored to be considering doing that. I think the better basketball fit is here. The Spurs aren't running as much and he'll get more playing time in San Antonio. Of course GS will be able to offer him more $$.

Maybe he signs a 1 year deal and gets paid better next year.

Are you sure that Golden State really offer more than us? I thought that they were in the same cap situation (or worse) that we are in and needed to trade away pieces and renounce several players to make cap room. I can see them doing this for Durant, Horford, and a select few other FAs, but not Gasol.

[DPG21920]

GS can't really offer more than SA without losing players. I think they would do that for KD, but not Pau.

[tmtcsc]

Are you sure that Golden State really offer more than us? I thought that they were in the same cap situation (or worse) that we are in and needed to trade away pieces and renounce several players to make cap room. I can see them doing this for Durant, Horford, and a select few other FAs, but not Gasol.

They have 8 free agents right now that they can renounce or let walk. They are in much better shape financially than the Spurs.

Barbosa
Speights
Ezeli
Barnes
Clark
Rush
McAdoo
Varejao

[MaNu4Tres]

Sure, but do you think Mozgov is a starting caliber center? Is he one for 4 years? Does he help them get to playoffs? Is he a fit with a younger team with his age?

I think it's likely a no to most of those questions. And they rushed to get him. That deal could have been accepted at any time IMO.

Again, I have said and agree with your logic/math, I just don't think that by default every contract is a good one because it makes sense on the % of the cap.

He could be their starting center for 4 yrs. Its subjective ( they obv think so).

It will take more than an avg. center to get that team to the playoffs.

I think his skill set fits that perimeter oriented team, yes.

By the way, the Spurs spent more on Rasho than the Lakers are for Mozzy. ( 6 yr/ 42 yr deal: Cap was 43.8 mil at time in 03/04= 17 % of cap)

[Nathan89]

Wow! :wow Was this really necessary?

Yes. Harlem is one of those store clerks that follow black people around the store from the second they come in till they leave.

[tmtcsc]

I honestly don't think his brother is just tossing out that information to the media on his own, he's smarter than that. I think that it was something that Pau had honestly talked with him about and even told him that he didn't mind if he'd share it with the world.

They probably did talk about it, but I don't think it was anything other than Marc's opinion. What could it hurt? Someone asked him about his brother's future and he felt San Antonio would be a great match. Great team, lots of international players, one of the best coaches in the NBA..

[Kindergarten Cop]

They have 8 free agents right now that they can renounce or let walk. They are in much better shape financially than the Spurs.

Barbosa
Speights
Ezeli
Barnes
Clark
Rush
McAdoo
Varejao

You really think that they'd risk losing the rights to match an offer sheet to Barnes just to get Pau? Zero chance.

Not only that, but they're not gutting their bench to bring in Pau (who doesn't fit their style of play nearly as well as he would in San Antonio).

As I said, they may consider renouncing some of these players for a Tier 1 FA, but not for Pau.

[Kindergarten Cop]

They probably did talk about it, but I don't think it was anything other than Marc's opinion. What could it hurt? Someone asked him about his brother's future and he felt San Antonio would be a great match. Great team, lots of international players, one of the best coaches in the NBA..

But is wasn't as if he said it only once. He continually brought it up, which made it strange ... especially considering that he was still under contract with the Bulls.

[NASpurs]

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[Kindergarten Cop]

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[Nathan89]

They have 8 free agents right now that they can renounce or let walk. They are in much better shape financially than the Spurs.

Barbosa
Speights
Ezeli
Barnes
Clark
Rush
McAdoo
Varejao

Can't wait to see what Barbosa, Rush, and Speights get. Some team should pay them enough to take them away from GSW. Not sure what they do with Ezeli either. GSW is about to lose a lot of depth or pay a fuck ton of money.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Can't wait to see what Barbosa, Rush, and Speights get. Some team should pay them enough to take them away from GSW. Not sure what they do with Ezeli either. GSW is about to lose a lot of depth or pay a fuck ton of money.

I agree. I think that Barnes gets a max offer sheet and Ezeli and Barbosa get some significant offers that force the team that is light-years ahead of every other team in the league to make some difficult decisions.

[tmtcsc]

You really think that they'd risk losing the rights to match an offer sheet to Barnes just to get Pau? Zero chance.

Not only that, but they're not gutting their bench to bring in Pau (who doesn't fit their style of play nearly as well as he would in San Antonio).

As I said, they may consider renouncing some of these players for a Tier 1 FA, but not for Pau.

They don't have to let all 8 walk to sign Pau. Who would the Spurs need to let walk or trade in order to make room for Pau? I don't think the Warriors are afraid to lose Barnes. He just isn't that good to begin with. How he made Team USA is beyond me.

I hope Pau comes here but GSW could easily give him the better offer without doing damage to its core of Thompson, Curry, and Green.

[NASpurs]

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[szkorhetz]

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The new Kobe contract. Makes Green and even Parker bargains

[timtonymanu]

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suddenly Parker's contract looks decent.

[HarlemHeat37]

Derozan is so polarizing here, half the Raps fanbase didn't want him back, and rightfully so..

Treating him like a franchise player when he should be a 6th man, tbh..

[BatManu20]

Parker's contract really isn't bad compared to some of these atrocities. Lol at the lakers.

[Kindergarten Cop]

They don't have to let all 8 walk to sign Pau. Who would the Spurs need to let walk or trade in order to make room for Pau? I don't think the Warriors are afraid to lose Barnes. He just isn't that good to begin with. How he made Team USA is beyond me.

I hope Pau comes here but GSW could easily give him the better offer without doing damage to its core of Thompson, Curry, and Green.

You're strongly mistaken on Barnes. Even Woj stated that the Warriors would have to match a max offer on Barnes (unless of course they land Durant) because they wouldn't have the cap flexibility to replace him if they let him walk.

As I said, the Spurs are in a similar position as the Warriors regarding the amount we could offer - but the fit is so much better in San Antonio. I don't see another contender throwing significantly more than we could offer at him, but we'll see.

[gambit1990]

raptors :lol

[timtonymanu]

Parker's contract really isn't bad compared to some of these atrocities. Lol at the lakers.

Yep and it's great Spurs got Wing Stop and Aldridge for reasonable amounts.

[Ditty]

L:lmaol L:lolk:rollinrs " We don't rebuild, we reload!"

[marinoman]

At this point Parker is a backup not a starter tho

[Leetonidas]

lol at these contracts when Curry is making like 12 million a season :lol

[timtonymanu]

Ugh, yeah can't disagree with the Spurs if they just choose to sign Bertans/LJC. So many mediocre role players gonna get paid in this draft.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Some of these ridiculous contracts will look much better next summer. This time last year we laughed at Portland's offer to Aminu..

Also, Diaw looks like a real bargain right now.

[Sean Cagney]

suddenly Parker's contract looks decent.
LOL now it looks great in hindsight. Cot damn.

[timtonymanu]

LOL now it looks great in hindsight. Cot damn.

And just look at DeRozan's contract compared to Kawhi's.

Not to mention 10 million only for Danny Green

[hooperflash]

Mosgov signs with Lakers.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/16661921/timofey-mozgov-los-angeles-lakers-talks-four-year-64-million-deal

[Ditty]

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[hooperflash]

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LMA better give him that look when he hands over the pen to KD.

[Sean Cagney]

And just look at DeRozan's contract compared to Kawhi's.

Not to mention 10 million only for Danny Green

Damn your right, Spurs won.... Locking those guys up long term before this crap. The FO did their homework and are the best in the game....

[Mal]

Parker`s contract is easy to be moved, by watching what the fuck is going on with free agency already

By moving Green, we can get lottery pick :lmao

[hsxvvd]

I'd rather see us sit out this year's free agency. Let all the stupid GMs blow away there cap space for the next 4 years and cash in next year.

[Nathan89]

Parker`s contract is easy to be moved, by watching what the fuck is going on with free agency already

By moving Green, we can get lottery pick :lmao

Moving Green who is worth damn near twice his contract is looking like a comical thought.

[Mal]

Moving Green who is worth damn near twice his contract is looking like a comical thought.

Again, only if Durant is coming all those moves are necessary.

[Nathan89]

These contracts show how essential trading Ibaka was for OKC.

[jermaine]

These contracts show how essential trading Ibaka was for OKC.

Now they're tryna trade Kanter..... idk how smart that was if they didn't have a guarantee from Horford. An I dont think he's that much better than Serge.

[hsxvvd]

Whiteside is staying in Miami

[NikosChelsea7]

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[Chinook]

Poor Dallas

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Beats last summer's experience for Dallas, I guess.

[Mnky]

Was hoping Dallas had a chance to rebuild with whiteside and Conley. Oh well.

[ace3g]

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Nicolas Batum agrees to a 5-year, $120 million deal to re-sign with Hornets. (First reported by @TheVertical (https://twitter.com/TheVertical))

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[Chinook]

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Nicolas Batum agrees to a 5-year, $120 million deal to re-sign with Hornets. (First reported by @TheVertical (https://twitter.com/TheVertical))

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Pretty sure folks like exstatic laughed at me for saying Batum was going to get more than LMA.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Next up Fournier getting max.

[Nathan89]

Dirk better not leave Dallas for GSW.

[montgod]

Pretty sure folks like exstatic laughed at me for saying Batum was going to get more than LMA.

LMA will get his next year for sure.

[Chinook]

LMA will get his next year for sure.

For sure he won't.

[Nathan89]

:lol

[RD2191]

Players don't even care where they're playing now with these sort of contracts. Just too much money to pass up.

[montgod]

For sure he won't.

If it's not here, he'll get it somewhere. Cap is only going to get higher.

[montgod]

Players don't even care where they're playing now with these sort of contracts. Just too much money to pass up.

Basically...probably think someone will come to their senses soon so they are hurrying to sign.

[Chinook]

If it's not here, he'll get it somewhere. Cap is only going to get higher.

Nope. He'll be in SA on the same deal he's on now.

[703 Spurz]

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Nicolas Batum agrees to a 5-year, $120 million deal to re-sign with Hornets. (First reported by @TheVertical (https://twitter.com/TheVertical))

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11.7 career average and 5.2 rebounds and this motherfucker is making over $20 mil a year? Jesus.

[MaNu4Tres]

NBA will have to adjust the minimum/ MLE and rookie contracts with the new cap eventually. The discrepancy between those slotted salaries and the rest are too significant.

[Keepin' it real]

At this point Parker is a backup not a starter tho

Last I checked he's still the starter.

[Keepin' it real]

What's the likelihood that star players who signed last year or earlier will see these contracts and hold out, demanding a renegotiation for more money?

[DPG21920]

He could be their starting center for 4 yrs. Its subjective ( they obv think so).

It will take more than an avg. center to get that team to the playoffs.

I think his skill set fits that perimeter oriented team, yes.

By the way, the Spurs spent more on Rasho than the Lakers are for Mozzy. ( 6 yr/ 42 yr deal: Cap was 43.8 mil at time in 03/04= 17 % of cap)

I don't think Mozgov is a good fit. He's not super nimble and the guards LA has want to run. We will see.

To your point of Rasho - again, to me, that's looking at math only to justify it. Spurs had Tim Duncan and needed a C to put next to him.

Lakers suck and paying a Rasho type doesn't make sense unless it's a playoff team which they are not. But I do see your point.

[Chinook]

What's the likelihood that star players who signed last year or earlier will see these contracts and hold out, demanding a renegotiation for more money?

None. The NBA does not allow for holdouts once a player signs a contract. That's the trade-off of most deals being guaranteed.

[CGD]

Man that Clarkson deal is shockingly low. He must've really wanted to stay in LA.

[Chinook]

Man that Clarkson deal is shockingly low. He must've really wanted to stay in LA.

Them Kardashians are as persuasive as they are annoying.

[Kikoluna]

Man, this is a lame off season. The biggest news this morning was mosgov to Lakers. Every one else resigned.:wakeup

[DPG21920]

NBA will have to adjust the minimum/ MLE and rookie contracts with the new cap eventually. The discrepancy between those slotted salaries and the rest are too significant.

I agree - it's so weird how min/MLE do not adjust accordingly

[SpursFan86]

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Still not buying it...can't see Wade legitimately leaving Miami.

[ceperez]

Too much money flowing around right now, probably best to just wait it out and see who doesn't have a chair in the end.

Spurs just need an additional scorer, the get it either from their bench improving or some vet who wants to consider a discount.

[Chinook]

I agree - it's so weird how min/MLE do not adjust accordingly

MLE used to, but the owners fought to change that during the previous lockout. Min salaries will almost certainly go up. Rookie contracts may not go up, as unions tend to minimize rookie salaries, as only players who have actually been drafted and/or signed have membership.

[NASpurs]

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[TheDoctor]

Spurs probably called Mozgov with a huge low-ball offer:lmao

:lmao E A S I L Y

I bet their offer was in Tiago's 9M/yr neighborhood.

[AFBlue]

Man that Clarkson deal is shockingly low. He must've really wanted to stay in LA.

Isn't that the max he could've gotten under the Arenas rule, or is the deal below that threshold?

[Chinook]

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O/U at $60M/4

[Chinook]

Isn't that the max he could've gotten under the Arenas rule, or is the deal below that threshold?

About $8 Million below. Seems almost criminal not to give it to him.

[AFBlue]

O/U at $60M/4

Going with the over...too much ridiculous cash being handed out and it's Brooklyn.

[NASpurs]

O/U at $60M/4

Brooklyn is desperate, so over. :lol Plus they have Lin back in NYC.

[Killakobe81]

You have to (IMO) stop looking at just the math. I agree with your math, but you are basically by default defending every single contract handed out. So you think there are no bad contracts then essentially this off season?

He's not only not worth 15% of the cap, there's no reason to believe he will be a starting quality center for 4 years. Was anyone else offering 4 years for him? Noah, OK, he's a name and was very good once and has friends in NY. But Mozgov?

4th year is a team option . Very attractive trade chip by ASB of year 3 ..
It's basically 3 years 48 million which is still to high tbh .....but not what you are making it out to be.

[CGD]

Isn't that the max he could've gotten under the Arenas rule, or is the deal below that threshold?

I understand that he could have shopped around, gotten a bigger Arenas offer, and then forced the Lakers to match.

[NASpurs]

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[Chinook]

I can't believe that this is what the NBPA wanted. Sure, now you have a nouveau-riche group of players to balance out the old max guys, but a cap-smoothing measure would have given more players money. It's crazy how guys like Lebron hoodwink them.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

That time when hearing Lin gor $12 mil per makes you want to congratulate the GM getting him for being astute.

[Chinook]

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Oh, so under. That's not bad for them at all. Marks is doing some work.

[DPG21920]

4th year is a team option . Very attractive trade chip by ASB of year 3 ..
It's basically 3 years 48 million which is still to high tbh .....but not what you are making it out to be.

I had not heard that it was a team option in year 4. I mentioned earlier we need to see if it was a team option so I did have that caveat in there.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Sean Marks making a solid start to free agency

[Chinook]

That time when hearing Lin gor $12 mil per makes you want to congratulate the GM getting him for being astute.

It's a sad life we live.

[CGD]

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Another shocking low deal if true considering this Pg market. He must be banking on this NYC endorsements

[DPG21920]

I mean, Lin has 0 upside and they will suck tremendously (no chance at a POR like season either with smart upside signings) so I don't know the appeal other than they have to sign someone and he's very tradeable.

[Chinook]

I mean, Lin has 0 upside and they will suck tremendously (no chance at a POR like season either with smart upside signings) so I don't know the appeal other than they have to sign someone and he's very tradeable.

A lot will depend on how Marks rebuilds the front court. He has a nice foundation of perimeter players right now. The East may well fall back down a bit, so I wouldn't be surprised to see the Nets in the mix for the eight-seed.

[Drewlius]

Sign Pau and Bayless, that would be a successful offseason.

[DPG21920]

A lot will depend on how Marks rebuilds the front court. He has a nice foundation of perimeter players right now. The East may well fall back down a bit, so I wouldn't be surprised to see the Nets in the mix for the eight-seed.

You cray IMO. What foundation?

[DPG21920]

Man at that contract, SA could have had a legit shot at Lin, no?

[NASpurs]

Woj: Sources: Lin's three-year, $36M deal with Nets includes a player option on third year, trade kicker and bonuses.

[NASpurs]

This forum needs a tweet button. Typing out the tags every time on the phone gets annoying.

[TheDoctor]

Free Agency recap so far

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[Chinook]

You cray IMO. What foundation?

LeVert, RHJ, Cousins and Lin. That's fine, and it'll be even better once the a guy like Henderson is added.

[Chinook]

This forum needs a tweet button. Typing out the tags every time on the phone gets annoying.

I actually prefer the way ace3g posts tweets. The embeds loading makes me lose where I was in the thread.

[DPG21920]

LeVert, RHJ, Cousins and Lin. That's fine, and it'll be even better once the a guy like Henderson is added.

I mean, I like RHJ as much as the next guy and LeVert has promise, but those guys are so unproven. I don't think you can call that a foundation yet (at least for a playoff team). It's great under the circumstance but very young and we don't know if any of them are players outside of Lin.

[NASpurs]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2016-nba-free-agent-tracker-where-players-are-going-whos-still-available/amp/#


Looking over that list, Matt Barnes is coming to the Spurs, isn't he? :lol

[ceperez]

A lot will depend on how Marks rebuilds the front court. He has a nice foundation of perimeter players right now. The East may well fall back down a bit, so I wouldn't be surprised to see the Nets in the mix for the eight

Lin is actually a very good playmaker. He just doesn't have the athleticism or the shot. However, orchestrating the offense is extremely important in this NBA.

Marks should know what he's doing.

[RD2191]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2016-nba-free-agent-tracker-where-players-are-going-whos-still-available/amp/#


Looking over that list, Matt Barnes is coming to the Spurs, isn't he? :lol

I'd stop watching basketball. Not even kidding.

[DPG21920]

By the way, this is a disaster for Dallas. They are stuck with literally one (maybe two) starters on their roster and the legit possibility that Dirk leaves.

They have whiffed & whiffed & whiffed in Free Agency since Cuban blew up his championship team for no reason. Sure, they landed Parson's & Wes but those guys were risks and he had to pay a ridiculous amount for them.

This is bad for Dallas although there is still time for them to land a few players.

[Dex]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2016-nba-free-agent-tracker-where-players-are-going-whos-still-available/amp/#


Looking over that list, Matt Barnes is coming to the Spurs, isn't he? :lol

Wouldn't be the worst guy coming off the bench, but goddamn I'd hate to look at that punchable face for 82+ games.

[TheGreatYacht]

I'd stop watching basketball. Not even kidding.
Damn nigga, you don't want anybody :lol

[RD2191]

Damn nigga, you don't want anybody :lol

Right? I get all salty and shit. Naw but fa real fuck Barnes. Anyone but that nigga.

[GSH]

I actually prefer the way ace3g posts tweets. The embeds loading makes me lose where I was in the thread.


Okay, that really did make me laugh. I like Ace, so I'm not giving him any grief about his posts - just the idea that losing your place in the thread is a good thing.

[DPG21920]

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[RD2191]

So who do you guys think we sign? Pau and Conley?

[montgod]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2016-nba-free-agent-tracker-where-players-are-going-whos-still-available/amp/#


Looking over that list, Matt Barnes is coming to the Spurs, isn't he? :lol

Not with Parker still on the team .. LOL!

[raybies]

It's crazy, the theme nowadays is going to the most competitive team. And I mean for top free agents. It use to be best franchise with money. Players want to win now and feel they need help to do it instead of players like Shaq who started from nothing, went to the Lakers. Lebron really started a trend. It's the super team era.

[raybies]

Okay, that really did make me laugh. I like Ace, so I'm not giving him any grief about his posts - just the idea that losing your place in the thread is a good thing.

Imagine how many post he would have...

[TheDoctor]

So who do you guys think we sign? Pau and Conley?

Matt fucking Bonner.

[Chinook]

By the way, this is a disaster for Dallas. They are stuck with literally one (maybe two) starters on their roster and the legit possibility that Dirk leaves.

They have whiffed & whiffed & whiffed in Free Agency since Cuban blew up his championship team for no reason. Sure, they landed Parson's & Wes but those guys were risks and he had to pay a ridiculous amount for them.

This is bad for Dallas although there is still time for them to land a few players.

What makes this so much sadder is that Carlisle will find a way to make a playoff team out of them.

[Ron Swanson]

Matt fucking Bonner.

:pop: He's the glue that holds the team together.

[montgod]

Nope. He'll be in SA on the same deal he's on now.

Oops, I was one year short. I forgot it was a 4 yr deal for 80 mill with player option after 3, not 2.

[Chinook]

Okay, that really did make me laugh. I like Ace, so I'm not giving him any grief about his posts - just the idea that losing your place in the thread is a good thing.

It's not a good thing. It sucks, hence why I dislike people doing that over just copying and pasting the text.

[DPG21920]

:lmao Rockets bringing Clyde to their meeting with Bazemore

"Hey, listen to this audio clip of me calling the games, I will go so full on homer for you that I will make you an All-Star"

[Kindergarten Cop]

:pop: He's the glue that holds the team together.

He'll be "the glue" as a member of the FO/coaching staff - not as a player.

[Chinook]

:lmao Rockets bringing Clyde to their meeting with Bazemore

"Hey, listen to this audio clip of me calling the games, I will go so full on homer for you that I will make you an All-Star"

I still can't get over running a full-court press for Kent Freaking Bazemore. Just because he's about to get overpaid doesn't make him a marquee guy.

[cjw]

Can't wait to see what Barbosa, Rush, and Speights get. Some team should pay them enough to take them away from GSW. Not sure what they do with Ezeli either. GSW is about to lose a lot of depth or pay a fuck ton of money.

So much for resting guys more next season with that depth on the bench sapped away. And on the poster who said GS's cap situation is better than the Spurs - it is, until next offseason. Then they're in big trouble, especially if Barnes is getting paid $20+

[sasaint]

So who do you guys think we sign? Pau and Conley?

Conley is not coming here. 1) TP ain't leaving and 2) he will get a much better offer than we can make - probably from the Mavs.

More like Pau and Austin Rivers.

[TheGoldStandard]

What makes this so much sadder is that Carlisle will find a way to make a playoff team out of them.

He is a virtuoso of coaching up nobodies

[GSH]

I can't believe that this is what the NBPA wanted. Sure, now you have a nouveau-riche group of players to balance out the old max guys, but a cap-smoothing measure would have given more players money. It's crazy how guys like Lebron hoodwink them.

I don't think it would have been such a problem, if the cap hadn't taken such a ridiculous jump in one year. And that got me thinking. You're all over the CBA and cap-related issues, so I have a couple of questions for you.

1. This big cap jump is because BRI spiked last season, right? Could income really jump that much in one year, or was it some kind of accounting trick? I'm sure they artificially lowered income during the CBA negotiations, to some degree at least. But if their plan was to keep salaries down, why did they let them come roaring back all at once like this?
2. The only way all of this makes sense is if the small market teams got a share of that jump in income. So is any of this part of a plan to minimize the advantage that big market teams have?

One thing is certain - a 34% jump in income is very unusual for any established business - especially if they aren't offering some amazing new product. So my radar naturally goes off a little. Companies shift income from one year to another all the time (they call them "gray areas" in accounting). I just don't see what the league's angle would be for this. But I can't believe that a 34% increase in income could just happen without any warning, either.

[cd98]

:lmao Rockets bringing Clyde to their meeting with Bazemore

"Hey, listen to this audio clip of me calling the games, I will go so full on homer for you that I will make you an All-Star"

Yep.

[ceperez]

Conley is not coming here. 1) TP ain't leaving and 2) he will get a much better offer than we can make - probably from the Mavs.

More like Pau and Austin Rivers.

Just looking at the Free Agents, maybe Spurs should just get Seth Curry. Could be cheap and he could bother Steph come playoff time.

[Drom John]

I don't think it would have been such a problem, if the cap hadn't taken such a ridiculous jump in one year. And that got me thinking. You're all over the CBA and cap-related issues, so I have a couple of questions for you.

1. This big cap jump is because BRI spiked last season, right? Could income really jump that much in one year, or was it some kind of accounting trick? I'm sure they artificially lowered income during the CBA negotiations, to some degree at least. But if their plan was to keep salaries down, why did they let them come roaring back all at once like this?
2. The only way all of this makes sense is if the small market teams got a share of that jump in income. So is any of this part of a plan to minimize the advantage that big market teams have?

One thing is certain - a 34% jump in income is very unusual for any established business - especially if they aren't offering some amazing new product. So my radar naturally goes off a little. Companies shift income from one year to another all the time (they call them "gray areas" in accounting). I just don't see what the league's angle would be for this. But I can't believe that a 34% increase in income could just happen without any warning, either.

There was plenty of warning.

What The NBA's Insane New TV Deal Means For The League And For You (http://deadspin.com/what-the-nbas-insane-new-tv-deal-means-for-the-league-a-1642926274)
Kevin Draper
10/06/14 2:49pm


First, some context: ESPN and Turner will combine to pay the NBA around $2.6 billion annually under the terms of the new deal, which won’t take effect until the 2016–17 season.

[ceperez]

Actually, there's a gold mine of scrubs out there that Spurs should pick up. They all happen to be from GSW.

Barbosa, Leandro G 33 13yrs UFA GSW --- --- ---
Barnes, Harrison F 24 4yrs RFA GSW --- --- Warriors extend qualifying offer to Barnes
Clark, Ian G 25 3yrs UFA GSW --- --- Warriors don't make offer to Clark, who becomes UFA
Ezeli, Festus C 26 4yrs RFA GSW --- --- Warriors extend qualifying offer to Ezeli
McAdoo, James Michael F 23 2yrs UFA GSW --- --- Warriors don't make offer to McAdoo, who becomes UFA
Rush, Brandon G 30 8yrs UFA GSW --- --- ---
Speights, Marreese F-C 28 8yrs UFA GSW --- --- ---
Varejao, Anderson

[Chinook]

I don't think it would have been such a problem, if the cap hadn't taken such a ridiculous jump in one year. And that got me thinking. You're all over the CBA and cap-related issues, so I have a couple of questions for you.

1. This big cap jump is because BRI spiked last season, right? Could income really jump that much in one year, or was it some kind of accounting trick? I'm sure they artificially lowered income during the CBA negotiations, to some degree at least. But if their plan was to keep salaries down, why did they let them come roaring back all at once like this?

New TV contract starts this year. There is literally more money to go around for everyone. They did change the distribution during the last CBA negotiations, and that's in place now, or the cap would be even higher.


2. The only way all of this makes sense is if the small market teams got a share of that jump in income. So is any of this part of a plan to minimize the advantage that big market teams have?

Well, there was more revenue sharing added to this CBA. More importantly, the big TV deals are all split evenly among the teams. So yes, they all got pieces of the pie.

[jermaine]

I wouldnt mind Varejao, Speights, or Rush.

[NASpurs]

You know PATFO saw this coming and saw how these scrubs were going to get overpaid. This isn't even a good group of free agents either. Might as well save some of the space for next year as well as save some of the trade bait. And those contracts made before the cap jump are going to be highly sought after, for people saying that no one is going to want a certain point guard's contract because he's being over paid. Sure he might not get traded because of his status in the organization but it won't be because of his contract.

[Kindergarten Cop]

I wouldnt mind Varejao, Speights, or Rush.

:vomit:

[look_at_g_shred]

Same AF ^^^

[DPG21920]

From a name/fit perspective (assuming Spurs don't shock the world and land KD) it's Pau or bust on the FA market. There are some other good players that I would be OK with too, just talking bigger names.

[DPG21920]

I wonder how hard SA would look at Dirk (mold of Pau) and Festus? I know Festus might cost to much (same with Biyombo - although Biyombo should fetch more), but I wonder if something wacky like that happens.

[GSH]

Well, there was more revenue sharing added to this CBA. More importantly, the big TV deals are all split evenly among the teams. So yes, they all got pieces of the pie.


What I'm getting at - is this part of a plan to bring more "parity" to the league, like what the NFL did years ago? They didn't get surprised by the television contract, so they knew this jump was coming. But they didn't make ANY provision to smooth out this mess ahead of time?

You don't get surprised by a $2.6 BILLION! television contract. So they managed to hold salaries down for two years? So what? They also managed to un-balance the salary structure in the whole league. And the ripples are going to be felt for years. Because if DeRozan is worth $24M per year for 5 years, Steph Curry is worth $40-50M per year. But teams aren't going to have THAT much money to offer him. So we're STILL going to see good players getting paid just about as much as superstars.

I guess I just don't think they are completely stupid. They must have some reason for letting things go this way. And there's no doubt in my mind they had a pretty good idea of the TV contract when they were negotiating the CBA.

[TheGoldStandard]

I wonder how hard SA would look at Dirk (mold of Pau) and Festus? I know Festus might cost to much (same with Biyombo - although Biyombo should fetch more), but I wonder if something wacky like that happens.

Dirk and Pau would be amazing as far fetched as it would be.. Even as nostalgia of what the league once was.. Parker/Green/Kawhi/Aldridge Pau with Mills/Manu/Bertans/Dirk/Duncan off the bench..

[DPG21920]

Dirk and Pau would be amazing as far fetched as it would be.. Even as nostalgia of what the league once was.. Parker/Green/Kawhi/Aldridge Pau with Mills/Manu/Bertans/Dirk/Duncan off the bench..

Well there is no way that SA gets both realistically (it's possible but would require Dirk taking next to nothing since we know Pau's a** is not doing that :lol).

Was really saying in lieu of Pau going after Dirk.

[SpursFan86]

I wonder how hard SA would look at Dirk (mold of Pau) and Festus? I know Festus might cost to much (same with Biyombo - although Biyombo should fetch more), but I wonder if something wacky like that happens.

Dirk is too loyal to the Mavs. If he does end up leaving (which I find doubtful in the first place, even with Dallas striking out yet again in FA), I just can't see him going to a rival like San Antonio.

I think both Biyombo and Ezeli will be out of our price range. I mean we just saw Mozgov and Noah get $16 and $18 million per year respectively. Have to imagine Ezeli and Biyombo will be getting at least $14ish million a year. Can't see the Spurs moving that type of salary just to bring in one of those guys.

Someone who I haven't heard much about, however, is Pachulia. He's been really solid the past 2 years in Milwaukee/Dallas, and he might be a bit cheaper than those other two. If we can't bring in Pau, I wonder if we'll take a look at him.

[Kindergarten Cop]

I wonder how hard SA would look at Dirk (mold of Pau) and Festus? I know Festus might cost to much (same with Biyombo - although Biyombo should fetch more), but I wonder if something wacky like that happens.

I don't know why, but I almost feel that Cuban would be OK with (and perhaps even encourage Dirk, for Dirk's sake) to join the Spurs for a chance to close out his career with another ring. I definitely would not have said that 10 years ago, but things seem so different now.

[Chinook]

What I'm getting at - is this part of a plan to bring more "parity" to the league, like what the NFL did years ago? They didn't get surprised by the television contract, so they knew this jump was coming. But they didn't make ANY provision to smooth out this mess ahead of time?

It's not just the League's decision. The NBPA said no to any "cap smoothing" plan. They supposedly wanted this big jump in one season. I just don't know if they knew this would be the result. But yes, the League tried to lessen the blow by offering to bump everyone's 2015 salaries evenly using part of the anticipated increase. So as opposed to bumping up the cap, each player would get a few hundred thousand bucks added to their salaries. The leadership of the Players unanimously opposed that plan or anything like it.

Hence my original assertion. They can't have wanted this to the result. I don't get how the players are truely helped by having so much money tied in to mid-tier guys. Stars are going to be paid more, but not THAT much more. This will end in another lockout next summer. It has to.

[SpursforSix]

Well there is no way that SA gets both realistically (it's possible but would require Dirk taking next to nothing since we know Pau's a** is not doing that :lol).

Was really saying in lieu of Pau going after Dirk.

SF86 said it. Dirk's probably not leaving Dallas. However, Mavs fans would understand and forgive him for going anywhere except San Antonio. Dirk knows this and wouldn't do anything to hurt his relationship with the city of Dallas.

[DPG21920]

Dirk is too loyal to the Mavs. If he does end up leaving (which I find doubtful in the first place, even with Dallas striking out yet again in FA), I just can't see him going to a rival like San Antonio.

I think both Biyombo and Ezeli will be out of our price range. I mean we just saw Mozgov and Noah get $16 and $18 million per year respectively. Have to imagine Ezeli and Biyombo will be getting at least $14ish million a year. Can't see the Spurs moving that type of salary just to bring in one of those guys.

Someone who I haven't heard much about, however, is Pachulia. He's been really solid the past 2 years in Milwaukee/Dallas, and he might be a bit cheaper than those other two. If we can't bring in Pau, I wonder if we'll take a look at him.

I agree on the price - was talking more about fit/testing the waters for SA...

We shall see how it all shakes out. Spurs are at the low, low end of the FA totem pole money-wise.

[GSH]

:vomit:


Speights is a poor man's David West. At best. He hit a bunch of 3's this season. Don't count on it happening again, or anywhere else.
Why would we want Brandon Rush, when we already have Kyle Anderson? At least Anderson is taller.
Fuck Anderson Varejao.

Sorry. I know all those guys have their moments, and you can like whoever you want. But Speights was drafted right out of the Top 10 - maybe number 11. He's been a consistent under-achiever, and he drags down rebounds like a 2 guard. I hate Varejao, and that's just personal. Rush is one of those guys who will have a good game here and there, and if you see that game you think he might be a good addition. Maybe he would be, but I don't see it.

[GSH]

It's not just the League's decision. The NBPA said no to any "cap smoothing" plan. They supposedly wanted this big jump in one season. I just don't know if they knew this would be the result. But yes, the League tried to lessen the blow by offering to bump everyone's 2015 salaries evenly using part of the anticipated increase. So as opposed to bumping up the cap, each player would get a few hundred thousand bucks added to their salaries. The leadership of the Players unanimously opposed that plan or anything like it.

Hence my original assertion. They can't have wanted this to the result. I don't get how the players are truely helped by having so much money tied in to mid-tier guys. Stars are going to be paid more, but not THAT much more. This will end in another lockout next summer. It has to.


I come here to learn. Thanks. If the players knew this was coming, and wanted it, they really are stupid. But I guess athletes aren't exactly paid for their brains.

This really is going to fuck things up for years. Maybe they will make some kind of adjustment, after seeing what it will mean. But even then, this year will be a hiccup in salaries for years.

[MaNu4Tres]

Word is Blazers will be going after Howard too. It made sense for them to swing for big fish this off-season and try to improve w/ upgrades oppose to matching Crabbe & Harkless.

I'm hoping SA turns some attention to Harkless after Durant stays in OKC.

[Kikoluna]

Again, stay on track, durant and Conley

[SpursFan86]

Again, stay on track, durant and Conley

I get that not everyone is knowledgeable about the salary cap and current state of the Spurs in that regard...but come on, these comments are just stupid.

[DPG21920]

Blazer plan is to pursue Dwight & Parsons. They would be letting go of guys like Vonleh, Harkless & Davis likely.

They should be able to keep Crabbe though which is huge (commons consensus).

[SpursFan86]

Blazer plan is to pursue Dwight & Parsons. They would be letting go of guys like Vonleh, Harkless & Davis likely.

Hmm, we were talking about centers earlier. Ed Davis would be a great deal on his current contract...$7 million a year for the next 2 seasons is really good value.

[GSH]

Word is Blazers will be going after Howard too. It made sense for them to swing for big fish this off-season and try to improve w/ upgrades oppose to matching Crabbe & Harkless.

I'm hoping SA turns some attention to Harkless after Durant stays in OKC.


Harkless got brought up last night, and I mentioned Ennis as a possible bargain in all this mess. I just saw some chatter that Ennis is probably going to get paid more than I thought (based on 9 good games with the Pelicans?). So I'm sure Harkless isn't going to be exempt from the insanity, either. The guys who get deals done early are getting fat. It's going to be interesting to see who is still standing when the music stops.

[tmtcsc]

For the most part we are watching desperate teams who won't win anything right now. They are aiming for respectability and putting butts in seats. Even with the larger cap, these signings are suspect. Also, no one has had to make financial room or sacrificed anything in terms of their roster to sign these guys. Teams like SA, GS and OKC will have to make maneuvers to free up room.

What's certain is that Pau Gasol will definitely be able to get more money elsewhere. If the Spurs are going to have a shot at him, they will need for him to take less. I think GS is the biggest threat. OKC will be too. They are trying to make moves to bring in Big names but once that fails, they may go after the Pau Gasols of the world.

[DPG21920]

It's good and bad SA doesn't have that much cap space. Now, no one expects them to spend money just because they have it. The crazy thing is as much as teams are spending they still have room to make smart moves :lol

Like, they can offer a max bad contract but then absorb players for first round picks to get assets. Not that they would do that if they are trying to build a playoff team, it's just that they can.

Spurs are in a tough spot. Staying over the cap seems like a real possibility and I'm hoping they can just connect on one solid trade to improve - especially at the guard spot (I want Tyreke Evans - although losing Gordon hurts that chance).

[NASpurs]

Woj: Indiana is nearing a deal with free agent center Al Jefferson, league source tells @TheVertical.

https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/748915126183440384

[MaNu4Tres]

It's good and bad SA doesn't have that much cap space. Now, no one expects them to spend money just because they have it. The crazy thing is as much as teams are spending they still have room to make smart moves :lol

Like, they can offer a max bad contract but then absorb players for first round picks to get assets. Not that they would do that if they are trying to build a playoff team, it's just that they can.

Spurs are in a tough spot. Staying over the cap seems like a real possibility and I'm hoping they can just connect on one solid trade to improve - especially at the guard spot (I want Tyreke Evans - although losing Gordon hurts that chance).

I don't see a scenario where Spurs would allow themselves to go over the cap before their chance at using their 10-14 mil in space (14 assuming Duncan retires and spread within next few weeks). It's all about the timing of re-signing Manu, the signing of Bertans, Murray, LJC. Spurs are going to wait to do anything with them until they have made their addition via free agency IMO.

[SpursFan86]

Teague/Ellis/George/Young/Jefferson

Not sure how I feel about that starting lineup :lol

[NASpurs]

Yeah I don't like just the text. :lol

748915126183440384

[NASpurs]

748916103426895876

[.G.]

:lmao fucking mozgov and his 6.3/3.3/0.4/0.8 got him $64M

[NASpurs]

Damn you woj

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[ace3g]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)ESPN sources say Andre Drummond's five-year, $130 million max deal with Detroit, meanwhile, is done. Player option for Drummond after Year 4

[SpursFan86]

Meh, not a big fan of Al Jefferson at all, but that contract isn't terrible considering some of the other stuff we've seen.

[tmtcsc]

Blazer plan is to pursue Dwight & Parsons. They would be letting go of guys like Vonleh, Harkless & Davis likely.

They should be able to keep Crabbe though which is huge (commons consensus).

WTF are the Blazers doing? I'd take Crabbe over Parsons any day - meaning Crabbe should be your SF and Parsons is redundant and sends bad messages to your team. You don't keep both of those players. Howard is a locker room cancer. The Blazers were fun to watch last year but were lacking solid vets who could bring some poise and harmony to the lineup. They should just chill the fuck out and stop going for big names.

[Dancelot]

748916103426895876
Seems like a good deal considering all these other abortions being handed out.

[Chinook]

Do we even know if the Blazers are letting their RFAs go? They could just be using their cap holds.

[djohn14]

Teague/Ellis/George/Young/Jefferson

Not sure how I feel about that starting lineup :lol
Jefferson will be a bench piece. Myles Turner is the starting center.

[Dex]

It's good and bad SA doesn't have that much cap space. Now, no one expects them to spend money just because they have it. The crazy thing is as much as teams are spending they still have room to make smart moves :lol

Like, they can offer a max bad contract but then absorb players for first round picks to get assets. Not that they would do that if they are trying to build a playoff team, it's just that they can.

Spurs are in a tough spot. Staying over the cap seems like a real possibility and I'm hoping they can just connect on one solid trade to improve - especially at the guard spot (I want Tyreke Evans - although losing Gordon hurts that chance).

They may be positioning to pick up some of the castoffs from teams who are clearing cap space and going after big fish, particularly depending upon how the meeting with Durant goes tomorrow.

[MaNu4Tres]

Do we even know if the Blazers are letting their RFAs go? They could just be using their cap holds.

They'd have to renounce Harkless for sure and others if they sign Howard, Parsons.

[gambit1990]

these contracts :wow

people who thought kawhi wasn't worth signing to a max deal :lol

[SpursFan86]

Jefferson will be a bench piece. Myles Turner is the starting center.

Hmm, that makes more sense. Turner is more of a spacer than Big Al, and Jefferson can provide some offense for the bench unit when things inevitably get bogged down without Paul George on the court.

They should try finding a good spot-up shooter who's effective off the ball to start at SG and move Ellis to the bench as well.

[NASpurs]

748921128580624384

[Keepin' it real]

I get that not everyone is knowledgeable about the salary cap and current state of the Spurs in that regard...but come on, these comments are just stupid.

Welcome to Spurstalk.

[djohn14]

Hmm, that makes more sense. Turner is more of a spacer than Big Al, and Jefferson can provide some offense for the bench unit when things inevitably get bogged down without Paul George on the court.

They should try finding a good spot-up shooter who's effective off the ball to start at SG and move Ellis to the bench as well.
I agree. If they stuck Eric Gordon or Courtney Lee at the 2 and Ellis came off the bench with Jefferson that would be really solid.

[jermaine]

748921128580624384

For all you Matt Bonner hating dicks.... He's an upgrade for you biotches right!?!

[Kikoluna]

I get that not everyone is knowledgeable about the salary cap and current state of the Spurs in that regard...but come on, these comments are just stupid.
The spurs are meeting with Durant tomorrow
Not that stupid. Why would they meet with him then? If Durant is a no, Conley is option b. I'll tell you what is stupid, people wondering about batum as the missing link.

[Dex]

All these deals going down and Spurs just sitting there like...

https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Spiderman-Computer-Desk.jpg

[NASpurs]

All these deals going down and Spurs just sitting there like...

https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Spiderman-Computer-Desk.jpg

The news about the Spurs contacting Kris Humphries didn't jazz you up?

[TheGoldStandard]

Spurs offered Kris Humphries a sandwich and a Kia from world car

[Leetonidas]

748921128580624384

This is actually not bad. He won't command ridiculous money and he is a solid bench big who can rebound. These are kind of players Spurs need imo, not big names. I wouldn't be mad if they got the former Kardashian tbh

[Kawhitstorm]

Hmm, that makes more sense. Turner is more of a spacer than Big Al, and Jefferson can provide some offense for the bench unit when things inevitably get bogged down without Paul George on the court.

They should try finding a good spot-up shooter who's effective off the ball to start at SG and move Ellis to the bench as well.

They could just start Miles.

[NASpurs]

Spurs offered Kris Humphries a sandwich and a Kia from world car

And don't forget all the women with fat asses here in San Antonio that he can handle. Seems like that his thing.

[Dancelot]

The news about the Spurs contacting Kris Humphries didn't jazz you up?
:lol

[GSH]

The news about the Spurs contacting Kris Humphries didn't jazz you up?


I threw up in my mouth a little. I'm starting to like the sound of the Euro guys more and more. Sign 'em all - even Bourosis - and be done with it. I'd rather be thinking about how they're going to play than wondering how the Spurs can afford $20M a year for Kent Bazemore.

[SpursFan86]

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[K...]

I can't believe that this is what the NBPA wanted. Sure, now you have a nouveau-riche group of players to balance out the old max guys, but a cap-smoothing measure would have given more players money. It's crazy how guys like Lebron hoodwink them.

It was bad blood. The owners would ask for control. I was frankly shocked when the union announced they were not accepting any cap smoothing but I never saw a deal where the players got the full due under the smoothing mechanism



When you look at the union's aggressive stance, the take no prisoners approach is consistent. Don't negotiate too early is probably a strategy.

[TheGoldStandard]

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Done fucked up getting overpaid for being named after things his mom found in the fridge

[gambit1990]

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wow. can't remember the last time that's happened. didn't happen to larry sanders iirc.

[NASpurs]

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[I. Hustle]

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Will he be coming back home to San Antonio? LOL home

[SD126]

wow. can't remember the last time that's happened. didn't happen to larry sanders iirc.

Birdman Andersen had this happen to him over a decade ago.

[K...]

I come here to learn. Thanks. If the players knew this was coming, and wanted it, they really are stupid. But I guess athletes aren't exactly paid for their brains.

This really is going to fuck things up for years. Maybe they will make some kind of adjustment, after seeing what it will mean. But even then, this year will be a hiccup in salaries for years.

The players union rep is smarter than Adam silver. They were not stupid. It's a trust issue.

The players union has several objectives: their primary goal was to expand the definition of revenue to include more sports activity (this subject more $$ to the revenue splitting agreement)

Then there is expanding the players share of said revenue.


Cap smoothing does not contribute to either goals.

[Kawhitstorm]

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Ate his way out of the league by splurging on edibles.:lol

[GSH]

Just saw a report that Stephen Jackson wants to get back into the league. The reporter assumed he meant coaching. But noooo... he thinks he can come back and play. Everybody thinks they can get paid from this blow-up.

[Seventyniner]

The players union rep is smarter than Adam silver. They were not stupid. It's a trust issue.

The players union has several objectives: their primary goal was to expand the definition of revenue to include more sports activity (this subject more $$ to the revenue splitting agreement)

Then there is expanding the players share of said revenue.


Cap smoothing does not contribute to either goals.

I wonder if this is some sort of prelude to the union really pushing to eliminate max salaries, or expand them to 45-50% of the cap. With enough players getting way more than they could have dreamed of 3 years ago, they might vote for getting rid of the max because they've already been paid. Thus fewer votes among that critical mid-level of players who have voted for max salaries in the past.

[BillMc]

Just saw a report that Stephen Jackson wants to get back into the league. The reporter assumed he meant coaching. But noooo... he thinks he can come back and play. Everybody thinks they can get paid from this blow-up.

I saw that too. One thing for sure it won't be in San Antonio. He looked done in what, 2013? Even if his attitude has improved, no way anyone signs him. I'd be surprised if he gets a try out.

[Dex]

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:wow You done really fucked up if you get banned from the league.

Hell, MWP beat up a fan and didn't even get a full season.

[GSH]

The players union rep is smarter than Adam silver. They were not stupid. It's a trust issue.

The players union has several objectives: their primary goal was to expand the definition of revenue to include more sports activity (this subject more $$ to the revenue splitting agreement)

Then there is expanding the players share of said revenue.

Cap smoothing does not contribute to either goals.


If their only goal is getting the most money into the system, with no concern for how it gets distributed, or whether it makes sense? That just means they're greedy and stupid.

The "trust issue" you're talking about is both sides trying to get the most for themselves. Yeah, the owners are greedy too. Welcome to the world. If they saw this kind of cap explosion coming in a single year, and didn't insist on measures to keep mediocre players from making more than superstars? They deserve whatever happens. I can think of any number of solutions that wouldn't have cost the owners a dime more, but would have prevented this insanity.

I'm no fan of the owners, but I do appreciate the game. This is just turning things upside-down, and it's not good for the game in any way.

[TimDunkem]

Mayo must be a moron. Scores of players dope and do drugs. They just don't get caught.

[BillMc]

Any early reads/tweets/rumors on how the KD - GSW powwow went?

[Keepin' it real]

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Will he be coming back home to San Antonio? LOL home

Pretty much this. I would be content to have Ian back. He's shown he can play meaningful minutes without shitting the bed. Much needed interior size and athleticism and not yet ancient.

[NikosChelsea7]

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[Hoops Czar]

Pretty much this. I would be content to have Ian back. He's shown he can play meaningful minutes without shitting the bed. Much needed interior size and athleticism and not yet ancient.

Spurstalk posters can not be this dense. The Spurs need shooters and penetrators, not bigs with limited skill sets.

[Keepin' it real]

Spurstalk posters can not be this dense. The Spurs need shooters and penetrators, not bigs with limited skill sets.

I'm sorry, you're right. I forgot how much the Spurs bigs dominated OKC during the playoffs. That was the only advantage the Spurs had. How silly of me to forget.

:wakeup

[San Antonio Slayer]

with Mayo ban may be it's time to trade Monro for Green and Mills, get Wade and forget about KD?

[ceperez]

Pretty much this. I would be content to have Ian back. He's shown he can play meaningful minutes without shitting the bed. Much needed interior size and athleticism and not yet ancient.

Is he able to keep up with wings on the perimeter?

[Keepin' it real]

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Does Durant have an accountant, or does he leave that to his mother?

[gambit1990]

i want dirk.

[SPURt]

Does Durant have an accountant, or does he leave that to his mother?
Dude, I've seen his mother count accurately a box of matches that were thrown in the air! She is legit!

[gambit1990]

who's left for the mavs to try to sign? howard?

don't stick around dirk. don't waste your time there.

[TheMulletMan3000]

Done fucked up getting overpaid for being named after things his mom found in the fridge

:lol

[SpursforSix]

Done fucked up getting overpaid for being named after things his mom found in the fridge

at least she didn't name him "Malt Liquor Watermelon".

[Kawhitstorm]

Pretty much this. I would be content to have Ian back. He's shown he can play meaningful minutes without shitting the bed. Much needed interior size and athleticism and not yet ancient.

Ian is most likely going to go back home to..........Dallas.:lol

[Hoops Czar]

I'm sorry, you're right. I forgot how much the Spurs bigs dominated OKC during the playoffs. That was the only advantage the Spurs had. How silly of me to forget.

:wakeup

The Spurs lost to OKC because they couldn't make shots. OKC has always had an advantage over the Spurs in the paint with a healthy Ibaka in the starting lineup. Indiana is presumably letting go of Mahimni because he's about to get paid. You seriously want the Spurs to blow through their entire cap to sign a big with a limited skillset for 3-4 years, ruining future flexibility because he may or may not help against OKC?

[gambit1990]

Done fucked up getting overpaid for being named after things his mom found in the fridge
:lol

at least she didn't name him "Malt Liquor Watermelon".
:rollin

[SAGirl]

WTF are the Blazers doing? I'd take Crabbe over Parsons any day - meaning Crabbe should be your SF and Parsons is redundant and sends bad messages to your team. You don't keep both of those players. Howard is a locker room cancer. The Blazers were fun to watch last year but were lacking solid vets who could bring some poise and harmony to the lineup. They should just chill the fuck out and stop going for big names.Crabbe is a good shooter but not a good playmaker at all. I think Terry Stotts wants a SF in the old Batum mold for their system. I bet they want CJ and Lillard playing off the ball at times or for someone else to add versatility and make them harder to defend.

I am not a fan of Parsons, but he's versatile. His cute playboy persona and injuries have tarnished his game while Crabbe is overrated. He can shoot but he's not versatile. In fact Blazers didn't have much versatility in playmaking from any of their forwards and I bet Stotts feels they need that to improve their team. Aminu is also limited as a playmaker. I remember Batum racked up a lot of assists for them. Was actually a better playmaker than Lillard. They are not getting better with just Crabbe.

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

at least she didn't name him "Malt Liquor Watermelon".

Or Purple Drank Cheekn...

[NASpurs]

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[DPG21920]

I don't see a scenario where Spurs would allow themselves to go over the cap before their chance at using their 10-14 mil in space (14 assuming Duncan retires and spread within next few weeks). It's all about the timing of re-signing Manu, the signing of Bertans, Murray, LJC. Spurs are going to wait to do anything with them until they have made their addition via free agency IMO.

I remember you and I discussing this and I thought SA would be over the cap this FA unless it was for a big fish. Your way definitely plausible, but more and more people seem to think SA staying over the cap (Nate Duncan on his Podcast today).

[SAGirl]

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Uggggghhh Humphries yuck.

[SAGirl]

Just saw a report that Stephen Jackson wants to get back into the league. The reporter assumed he meant coaching. But noooo... he thinks he can come back and play. Everybody thinks they can get paid from this blow-up. I bet he saw Richard Jefferson win a championship and he wants a piece of dat! Bet he's thinking at home he's got more basketball in him than Jefferson does. :lol

[cd021]

Wouldn't be the worst guy coming off the bench, but goddamn I'd hate to look at that punchable face for 82+ games.

Nah, much rather see KAs continued development or Bertans for 12-15 MPG than Barnes.

[I. Hustle]

i want dick.

Whoa! Slow down there, buddy. It'll happen

[raybies]

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[Keepin' it real]

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:tu

Good signing if it happens. Much needed interior depth.

[NASpurs]

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[raybies]

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[elemento]

So many scrubs getting a shit load of money

A scrub backup PG like Bayless @ 9m/year :lmao