Official 2016 Spurs Offseason Thread

[NASpurs]

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Terrence Jones or Dedmon! No more fucking guards :lol

[ducks]

Oh

[Hoops Czar]

It's already over. It's never been more over before a season even started.

It was over last year before the season started.

[Nathan89]

It was over last year before the season started.

No it wasn't. Multiple teams had a chance to win.

[ceperez]

It was over last year before the season started.

Pretty much... but at least we expect to see Spurs play for the Western Conference championship.

[RD2191]

Tim and Manu need to hurry the fuck up.

[NASpurs]

What's out frontcourt right now?

LMA
Gasol


?

West gone.
Bobo gone.
Bonner, hopefully gone.
Boban? Probably too pricey.
Duncan? Almost retired.

[slick'81]

What's out frontcourt right now?

LMA
Gasol


?
Boban?bonner

[Keepin' it real]

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Oliver Hanson = :lobt2:

[ceperez]

What's out frontcourt right now?

LMA
Gasol


?

West gone.
Bobo gone.
Bonner, hopefully gone.
Boban? Probably too pricey.
Duncan? Almost retired.

Boban and LJC... worse case Alex Kirk.

[Hoops Czar]

What's out frontcourt right now?

LMA
Gasol


?

FrankenSpur
LJC

God, help us all.

[NASpurs]

Boban and LJC

Boban isn't even a guarantee.

[montgod]

Oliver Hanson = :lobt2:

Hanlan

[ceperez]

Boban isn't even a guaranteed.

Well, at least there is a qualifying offer out there for him.

[r0drig0lac]

Tim and Manu need to hurry the fuck up.

[TheMulletMan3000]

Tim and Manu need to hurry the fuck up.

Manu is too busy with his NT photo shoot, you leave him alone.

[Mugen]

Gotta bring Boban back now. Dedmon would be nice too.

[LakerHater]

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[ceperez]

Gotta bring Boban back now. Dedmon would be nice too.

Not many slots left:

Gasol / Marjanovic (?)
Aldridge / LJC (?)
Leonard, Anderson, Bertans
Green, Ginobili, Simmons
Parker, Mills, Murray, Forbes (?)

14 players.. Spurs haven't even entertained vet. min. players.

[TheGoldStandard]

Tim needs to open his fucking mouth already and just say yes or no

[Rev Hill]

Terrence Jones or Dedmon! No more fucking guards :lol

Spurs do alot of talking...they need to start inking some quality players. The well is drying up.

[raybies]

We have a few bigs in the pipeline if we needed. But I'm sure we want at least one veteran center. At this point borrousis would be perfect with the bench unit imo. But with these European players getting excessive contracts it's hard to see us having enough to sign him.

[Hoops Czar]

I would literally give up my left testicle if it meant bringing back Sam Presti and firing R.C clownshit.

[Rev Hill]

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Spurs do alot of talking...they need to start putting the pen to the paper and get some quality players signed. The well will dry up fast.

[TheGreatYacht]

Let's hope the front office doesn't do something stupid and pay Manure more than the vets min

[Spurs9]

Let's hope the front office doesn't do something stupid and pay Manure more than the vets min

2 year averaging 9 a season :lol

[slick'81]

Let's hope the front office doesn't do something stupid and pay Manure more than the vets min
I think its a given thats happeing .manu sees whats out there and tbh with those contracts he deserves some piece if the pie

[kobyz]

It was over last year before the season started.

last two seasons went to waste in a very unnececery way, with stupid disicions of pop and rc, softness of players and overall naiveness... We should be very sorry about it... We had big oportonities but stupid arrogance and lack of competitiveness ruins them and that crying for the ages, people didn't understand how much those oportonities were important at that time and it's sad...

[TheGreatYacht]

Gasol/Marjanovic/Milutinov
Aldridge/Bertans/Lallane
Leonard/Anderson/???
Green/Ginobili/Simmons
Parker/Mills/Murray

[montgod]

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End of the week?!!? Hopefully we have deals in place with some of the free agents we have in mind to fill some gaps. Otherwise, I would think not much would be left especially with GS and CLE on the prowl.

[TheGreatYacht]

I think its a given thats happeing .manu sees whats out there and tbh with those contracts he deserves some piece if the pie
Parker gets criticized for being overpaid... Manu's last two playoff performances are vets min worthy, anything more is just idiotic.

Would rather keep Boban

[ceperez]

Gasol/Marjanovic/Milutinov
Aldridge/Bertans/Lallane
Leonard/Anderson/???
Green/Ginobili/Simmons
Parker/Mills/Murray

LJC not in your roster? Milutinov not coming this year.

[montgod]

Gasol/Marjanovic/Milutinov
Aldridge/Bertans/Lallane
Leonard/Anderson/???
Green/Ginobili/Simmons
Parker/Mills/Murray

Has anyone even confirmed yet if Milutinov is even coming over this year? I doubt he or Lalallen will be on the regular season roster. LJC was at least mentioned to be, but haven't heard anymore about him either.

[TheGreatYacht]

2 year averaging 9 a season :lol
Sheesh :lmao the selfish POS is already lucky the Spurs ain't offering a 10 day contract, now he wants more

[TheGreatYacht]

Has anyone even confirmed yet if Milutinov is even coming over this year? I doubt he or Lalallen will be on the regular season roster. LJC was at least mentioned to be, but haven't heard anymore about him either.
I'm not sure, but they might as well bring him over now than never. The remaining free agent centers not named Boban or Dedmon.... :td

[Hoops Czar]

Kyle Anderson's going to average 25 minutes with the current rotation, smdh. #rebuilding

[montgod]

Sheesh :lmao the selfish POS is already lucky the Spurs ain't offering a 10 day contract, now he wants more

Gotta be a way to time it properly to fulfill the following:
1. Get remaining guys under contract (Gasol, Bertans, Boban, LJC, Duncan)
2. Re-sign Manu to whatever since I believe we can go over cap for our own free agents
3. Since cap space is used up, LLE/MLE/Min. are now available to sign free agents.

Is this correct?

[Hoops Czar]

Gotta be a way to time it properly to fulfill the following:
1. Get remaining guys under contract (Gasol, Bertans, Boban, LJC, Duncan)
2. Re-sign Manu to whatever since I believe we can go over cap for our own free agents
3. Since cap space is used up, LLE/MLE/Min. are now available to sign free agents.

Is this correct?

The Spurs are a cheap ass organization. They won't going over the cap to save their life.

[TheGreatYacht]

Gotta be a way to time it properly to fulfill the following:
1. Get remaining guys under contract (Gasol, Bertans, Boban, LJC, Duncan)
2. Re-sign Manu to whatever since I believe we can go over cap for our own free agents
3. Since cap space is used up, LLE/MLE/Min. are now available to sign free agents.

Is this correct? Chinook got you covered bro :tu he's the cap expert

[montgod]

The Spurs are a cheap ass organization. They won't going over the cap to save their life.

They went over this last year and paid luxury tax.

[NASpurs]

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[szkorhetz]

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Not necessarily Trading it for a cheap player might work.
McClough?

[GSH]

The Spurs are a cheap ass organization. They won't going over the cap to save their life.

There's something like $9M between the cap and the lux tax threshold this year. I think they will be over the cap, but short of paying tax.

[Chinook]

Gotta be a way to time it properly to fulfill the following:
1. Get remaining guys under contract (Gasol, Bertans, Boban, LJC, Duncan)
2. Re-sign Manu to whatever since I believe we can go over cap for our own free agents
3. Since cap space is used up, LLE/MLE/Min. are now available to sign free agents.

Is this correct?

There is no MLE or LLE for the Spurs now that they are going under the cap. It's just the room exception and min deals now.

[Chinook]

Not necessarily Trading it for a cheap player might work.
McClough?

Can't trade TEs.

[mo7888]

There is no MLE or LLE for the Spurs now that they are going under the cap. It's just the room exception and min deals now.

Can't we go over with Manu's contract and the have the mle available to us?

[marinoman]

man the spurs backcourt sux, and no talk to any guard

[cjw]

Forgot about the trade exception as part of the Diaw deal. That's a nice bonus that could come in handy down the road.


Can't we go over with Manu's contract and the have the mle available to us?

No, you either operate above or below the cap. The Spurs - by virtue of the Gasol deal - have to be below the cap, so the MLE/LLE ("exceptions" for teams above the cap) aren't available. Only the room exception.

[DPG21920]

Can't trade TEs.

Also, SA has to renounce it anyways or trading Boris is pointless.

I really don't know why SA has taken the path they have taken. Doesn't make sense other than: extreme loyalty, really not knowing what Tim is doing & not wanting any dead money next year.

Crazy that they had to trade Boris, aren't stretching Tim & how Manu's cap hold is still on the books. Plus, the fact that everyone seems to be saying that Manu's $ & Tim's decision actually really holding things up.

[DPG21920]

Forgot about the trade exception as part of the Diaw deal. That's a nice bonus that could come in handy down the road.



No, you either operate above or below the cap. The Spurs - by virtue of the Gasol deal - have to be below the cap, so the MLE/LLE ("exceptions" for teams above the cap) aren't available. Only the room exception.


Spurs won't actually get a TPE. Any exception (MLE, TPE, ETC) count against the cap effectively. So SA is renouncing the TPE to free up the actual cap space

[Blizzardwizard]

Parker gets criticized for being overpaid... Manu's last two playoff performances are vets min worthy, anything more is just idiotic.

Would rather keep Boban

Release Turnobili and give his salary to a true leader in MVParker, tbh.

[TheGreatYacht]

Release Turnobili and give his salary to a true leader in MVParker, tbh.
It's the right thing to do, IMHO. Parker isn't even getting Tyler Johnson money.

Spurs should follow Memphis' lead and pay their floor general :tu

[TD 21]

man the spurs backcourt sux, and no talk to any guard

Front court was the more pressing need. They at least have four guards under contract and it'll soon be five. They only had two bigs and to get another, they had to remove one of said bigs.

It's also what was available to them. They knew they could get the Duncan replacement, in Gasol, but outside of Conley, who was always going to stay a Grizzly if they offered him the five year max, there was no clear upgrade on Parker to be had.

[GSH]

As weird as it sounds after that legendary KBP thread, I keep hoping the Spurs really are going to sign Bourousis. He's a big sonofabitch, and has played well in Europe. There was a time he would definitely have been up to coming off the bench for Gasol, at the least. He's 32, so he's younger than Pau. But he sort of fucked the Spurs over a few years ago, so maybe they don't want him anymore? But he says he's definitely ready to come over.

Do you feel that you made a mistake in the summer of ’09 when you didn’t sign with the Spurs? Ioannis Bourousis: “We had made an appointment in Berlin with coach Popovic. He showed great interest in me. The offer was excellent, but I had other things in mind then. With the experiences I’ve gained from abroad and with my way of thinking now, yes, I can tell you that I made a mistake.”

If you had a good offer from the NBA in the summer, would you go? Ioannis Bourousis: “If it’s an offer that makes me feel like the team wants me and knows what I can offer, yes, now I’d go to the NBA.”

[Chinook]

Can't we go over with Manu's contract and the have the mle available to us?

No. It's gone. It doesn't come back.

[tav1]

As weird as it sounds after that legendary KBP thread, I keep hoping the Spurs really are going to sign Bourousis. He's a big sonofabitch, and has played well in Europe. There was a time he would definitely have been up to coming off the bench for Gasol, at the least. He's 32, so he's younger than Pau. But he sort of fucked the Spurs over a few years ago, so maybe they don't want him anymore? But he says he's definitely ready to come over.

Do you feel that you made a mistake in the summer of ’09 when you didn’t sign with the Spurs? Ioannis Bourousis: “We had made an appointment in Berlin with coach Popovic. He showed great interest in me. The offer was excellent, but I had other things in mind then. With the experiences I’ve gained from abroad and with my way of thinking now, yes, I can tell you that I made a mistake.”

If you had a good offer from the NBA in the summer, would you go? Ioannis Bourousis: “If it’s an offer that makes me feel like the team wants me and knows what I can offer, yes, now I’d go to the NBA.”

I'm oddly hoping for Bourousis and Anthony Randolph. It's like some bizarro time machine I never expected to happen.

[GSH]

really not knowing what Tim is doing & not wanting any dead money next year.

Crazy that they had to trade Boris, aren't stretching Tim & how Manu's cap hold is still on the books. Plus, the fact that everyone seems to be saying that Manu's $ & Tim's decision actually really holding things up.


It's just hard for me to believe that this thing with Tim is just in the wind like that. I keep looking for some angle. I really do think Tim is done, and that they are just working on a way to use his contract to benefit the team somehow. Maybe I just give people too much credit, but I can't believe he would leave the team hanging like this. He knows how important free agency is.

[BillMc]

As weird as it sounds after that legendary KBP thread, I keep hoping the Spurs really are going to sign Bourousis. He's a big sonofabitch, and has played well in Europe. There was a time he would definitely have been up to coming off the bench for Gasol, at the least. He's 32, so he's younger than Pau. But he sort of fucked the Spurs over a few years ago, so maybe they don't want him anymore? But he says he's definitely ready to come over.

Do you feel that you made a mistake in the summer of ’09 when you didn’t sign with the Spurs? Ioannis Bourousis: “We had made an appointment in Berlin with coach Popovic. He showed great interest in me. The offer was excellent, but I had other things in mind then. With the experiences I’ve gained from abroad and with my way of thinking now, yes, I can tell you that I made a mistake.”

If you had a good offer from the NBA in the summer, would you go? Ioannis Bourousis: “If it’s an offer that makes me feel like the team wants me and knows what I can offer, yes, now I’d go to the NBA.”

I am completely confused at this point, but unless we are willing to lose Manu or Boban for certain, we can only offer him the minimum right?

[DPG21920]

It's just hard for me to believe that this thing with Tim is just in the wind like that. I keep looking for some angle. I really do think Tim is done, and that they are just working on a way to use his contract to benefit the team somehow. Maybe I just give people too much credit, but I can't believe he would leave the team hanging like this. He knows how important free agency is.

I mean, he's earned the right to take his time. If he truly doesn't know yet (which I believe to be the case) SA doesn't do anything until he lets them know for certain.

It's not a good situation but Tim has earned the right to take his time and truly decide a huge decision.

[DPG21920]

I am completely confused at this point, but unless we are willing to lose Manu or Boban for certain, we can only offer him the minimum right?

Or the Room Exception. Or cap space money if Tim is waived/stretched or traded (which doesn't seem likely at this point for some reason).

[BillMc]

It's just hard for me to believe that this thing with Tim is just in the wind like that. I keep looking for some angle. I really do think Tim is done, and that they are just working on a way to use his contract to benefit the team somehow. Maybe I just give people too much credit, but I can't believe he would leave the team hanging like this. He knows how important free agency is.

Waiting on Tim's announcement is costing me money too. I keep logging onto this site instead of working!:lol But I'm such a Spurs fan I keep checking in and then get sucked into reading and posting.

[BillMc]

Or the Room Exception. Or cap space money if Tim is waived/stretched or traded (which doesn't seem likely at this point for some reason).

Thanks for the clarification. :toast

[Spurs9]

Are we going to keep Hanlan?

[Dancelot]

Are we going to keep Hanlan?
Only if we want a :lobt2:

[LakerHater]

Are we going to keep Hanlan?Doubt it

[Chinook]

Are we going to keep Hanlan?

He's not on the roster. Hopefully he's content to stay overseas. Much better than Denmon.

[BillMc]

Our roster as of now (either under contract or *supposedly committed to contracts, or have no leverage to go anywhere else).

1. Parker, Mills, Murray*
2. Green, Simmons
3. Leonard, Anderson, Bertans*
4. Aldridge
5 Gasol*

Manu, Boban, Duncan are all "in play" one way or another. Bonner is either gone or a last minute re-sign.

Have I missed anyone?

[tonight...you]

Waiting on Tim's announcement is costing me money too. I keep logging onto this site instead of working!:lol But I'm such a Spurs fan I keep checking in and then get sucked into reading and posting.
:lol I feel that!

[Chinook]

Our roster as of now (either under contract or *supposedly committed to contracts, or have no leverage to go anywhere else).

1. Parker, Mills, Murray*
2. Green, Simmons
3. Leonard, Anderson, Bertans*
4. Aldridge
5 Gasol*

Manu, Boban, Duncan are all "in play" one way or another. Bonner is either gone or a last minute re-sign.

Have I missed anyone?

Forbes and Arcidiacono are both locked up, if yiu want to count them. Dunno about LJC. Parker said he was coming, so it's not exactly speculation.

[BillMc]

Forbes and Arcidiacono are both locked up, if yiu want to count them. Dunno about LJC. Parker said he was coming, so it's not exactly speculation.

Thanks. I guess Tony wouldn't say LJC is definitely coming if it wasn't true.

[BillMc]

:lol I feel that!

Oh, well, who needs income. :lol

[ace3g]

Should I throw Scola's name out there?

[Chinook]

Should I throw Scola's name out there?

If the Spurs needed a PF, yeah. I really do think it's going to be handled by committee, though.

[ceperez]

Our roster as of now (either under contract or *supposedly committed to contracts, or have no leverage to go anywhere else).

1. Parker, Mills, Murray*
2. Green, Simmons
3. Leonard, Anderson, Bertans*
4. Aldridge
5 Gasol*

Manu, Boban, Duncan are all "in play" one way or another. Bonner is either gone or a last minute re-sign.

Have I missed anyone?

Front line is relative weak with just Aldridge, Gasol and perhaps Boban. May need someone cheap.

[FutureMan]

So we have 5 pg's under contract?

[Emperor]

If the Spurs needed a PF, yeah. I really do think it's going to be handled by committee, though.

Well we're sorta missing a backup PF?

[ceperez]

Well we're sorta missing a backup PF?

Is LJC a PF?

[Hoops Czar]

Well we're sorta missing a backup PF?

We're missing a backup sf too.

[raybies]

My realistic dream roster:

Parker/Mills/Murray
Green/Manu/Forbes
Leonard/Simmons/Bertans
Aldridge/Anderson/Jean-Charles
Pau/Borrousis/Milutinov

I think Borrousis would be a perfect fit with the second unit. His combination of shooting, passing, and size with potentially three playmakers and the ball should be moving out if the shooting is not working you sub in Bertans. If Patty is not hitting you got Forbes. If Borrousis is getting beat on the defensive end you sub Milutinov who is more mobile. Then you have a defensive specialist like Jean-Charles if you need stops. Very versatile bench with plenty of options.

[raybies]

Is LJC a PF?

Yes. He played the pf position with Asvel.

[Obstructed_View]

Waiting on Tim's announcement is costing me money too. I keep logging onto this site instead of working!:lol But I'm such a Spurs fan I keep checking in and then get sucked into reading and posting.

That might be the only good reason to sign up for ESPN notifications on your phone.

[Spurs9]

My realistic dream roster:

Parker/Mills/Murray
Green/Manu/Forbes
Leonard/Simmons/Bertans
Aldridge/Anderson/Jean-Charles
Pau/Borrousis/Milutinov

I think Borrousis would be a perfect fit with the second unit. His combination of shooting, passing, and size with potentially three playmakers and the ball should be moving out if the shooting is not working you sub in Bertans. If Patty is not hitting you got Forbes. If Borrousis is getting beat on the defensive end you sub Milutinov who is more mobile. Very versatile bench with plenty of options.
I have no idea who those 2 are with Pau but I like it.

[mo7888]

My realistic dream roster:

Parker/Mills/Murray
Green/Manu/Forbes
Leonard/Simmons/Bertans
Aldridge/Anderson/Jean-Charles
Pau/Borrousis/Milutinov

I think Borrousis would be a perfect fit with the second unit. His combination of shooting, passing, and size with potentially three playmakers and the ball should be moving out if the shooting is not working you sub in Bertans. If Patty is not hitting you got Forbes. If Borrousis is getting beat on the defensive end you sub Milutinov who is more mobile. Very versatile bench with plenty of options.

I like that roster...

[ceperez]

Yes. He played the pf position with Asvel.

That's what I figured.... so team is set without duncan:

gasol marjanovic
aldridge ljc
leonard anderson bertans
green ginobili simmons
parker mills murray

that's 13 players... not including forbes who has a guaranteed 1 year contract. I say spurs need to get another big.

[Emperor]

That's what I figured.... so team is set without duncan:

gasol marjanovic
aldridge ljc
leonard anderson bertans
green ginobili simmons
parker mills murray

that's 13 players... not including forbes who has a guaranteed 1 year contract. I say spurs need to get another big.

So Dedmon it is hopefully.

[Obstructed_View]

So Dedmon it is hopefully.

The center from Orlando?

[Emperor]

The center from Orlando?

Yup.

[Obstructed_View]

Yup.

Threw me because the Spurs had someone with a similar name in summer league last year. Dentmon? Denman?

[Emperor]

Threw me because the Spurs had someone with a similar name in summer league last year. Dentmon? Denman?

You were close. Denmon :toast

[BillMc]

My realistic dream roster:

Parker/Mills/Murray
Green/Manu/Forbes
Leonard/Simmons/Bertans
Aldridge/Anderson/Jean-Charles
Pau/Borrousis/Milutinov

I think Borrousis would be a perfect fit with the second unit. His combination of shooting, passing, and size with potentially three playmakers and the ball should be moving out if the shooting is not working you sub in Bertans. If Patty is not hitting you got Forbes. If Borrousis is getting beat on the defensive end you sub Milutinov who is more mobile. Then you have a defensive specialist like Jean-Charles if you need stops. Very versatile bench with plenty of options.

I like that roster. :toast Borrousis would be quite an asset if we can sign him. Obviously you're letting Boban go...

[houston spurs fan]

even at 53 I bet Kevin Willis could give us a solid 15 off the bench each night. Would not hurt to at least make the call

[Jdspur20]

Since we are talking about roster, if Simmons were to start, what would he average? Pure hypothetical obviously since he won't. Just curious to see what some of you think.

[objective]

Should I throw Scola's name out there?

Hey, if he can add greasy haired incentive for Manu to want to play again, Scola on a minimum deal would be fine, as long as he is at the end of the bench.

[r0drig0lac]

Since we are talking about roster, if Simmons were to start, what would he average? Pure hypothetical obviously since he won't. Just curious to see what some of you think.

probably 10........ turnovers

[Ron Swanson]

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[tonight...you]

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You have no idea how much I want him to take that deal. Just for the Riley memes.

[gambit1990]

Since we are talking about roster, if Simmons were to start, what would he average? Pure hypothetical obviously since he won't. Just curious to see what some of you think.
after manu got hurt last year i was down to try starting simmons over green.

i'd start him over parker this year because:
a) the ball needs to be in kawhi's hands
b) simmons can cut faster and finish stronger than tp

[Spurs9]

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:wow hope this happens :lol

[Spurs 4 The Win]

You have no idea how much I want him to take that deal. Just for the Riley memes.

TBH, this is great for Miami, now they have an excuse to let him go. That is absurd and a huge overpay for an over the hill superstar. The fans wont even be mad. Start the rebuild and free up some cap space for next year tbh.

[Jdspur20]

after manu got hurt last year i was down to try starting simmons over green.

i'd start him over parker this year because:
a) the ball needs to be in kawhi's hands
b) simmons can cut faster and finish stronger than tp

All great points.

[tonight...you]

TBH, this is great for Miami, now they have an excuse to let him go. That is absurd and a huge overpay for an over the hill superstar. The fans wont even be mad. Start the rebuild and free up some cap space for next year tbh.
Damn bro. I was looking forward to some serious schadenfreude here... You done pissed all over my gasoline party.
It was going to get Lit.

But... thanks for bringing me up to speed. Jerk.

[Ron Swanson]

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[Kikoluna]

This is like a nightmare. Every one is gone.....except the ones that are supposed to leave. It's amazing how a lot if you don't acknowledge the elephant in the room, Kyle Anderson CANT PLAY.

[spursistan]

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can't blame Wade..time to get paid :lol

[LakerHater]

2 yrs $52 mil, hard to turn down!

[Ron Swanson]

No kidding. Didn't he give up money back when LeBron and Bosh joined the Heat? Not that he needs it, but that is a lot of cash to pass up.

[TheRemix]

If i'm wade i'm taking that money tbh

[Chinook]

Well we're sorta missing a backup PF?

I don't think so. I think that's Anderson's new job.

[dabom]

I don't think so. I think that's Anderson's new job.

ughhhhh

[dabom]

No we dont have legit PFs. :lmao

[objective]

I can't lie, as a severe Anderson skeptic, I kind of prefer him being a muscle fat power forward. I could see it. Him and Bertans holding it down ... I'm interested

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

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Not sure what Denver are doing TBH. They have a nice SG in Harris, just drafted 2 more SGs (Murray and Beasley), and they'd be putting a non-3 shooter in Wade next to Mudiay who can't shoot either. And neither can Faried, so their spacing would be horrific. Odd move.

It'd be nice if the SPurs could grab Gary Harris. He's an under-rated youngster.

[Spurs9]

Plenty of overseas players tbh

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

This is like a nightmare. Every one is gone.....except the ones that are supposed to leave. It's amazing how a lot if you don't acknowledge the elephant in the room, Kyle Anderson CANT PLAY.

Yeah, let's worry about the 9th guy on the roster who we pay $900k. :rolleyes

He's not a fucking starter, he's not being overpaid, and ST's hatred of the guy is so ridiculously out of proportion it's insane.

[GSH]

Well we're sorta missing a backup PF?


That's why I sort of cringed when I heard they are looking seriously at Jarnell Stokes. They used to list him at 6'6" or 6'7". I noticed that he's now listed at 6'9". I doubt he really grew that much after college. So he's a PF with 2 guard height. Swell. That sounds like the sort of mutant hybrid we'll get stuck with, just to fill out the roster.

[ace3g]

Plenty of overseas players tbh

Anthony Randolph?

Poor man's Odom to pair with Gasol.

More likely to get someone overseas for cheap than a player currently in the NBA.

[objective]

Randolph does look good, wouldn't mind him.

[Emperor]

I don't think so. I think that's Anderson's new job.

Well if he can produce even close to what Boris did for us in '14 then we'll be in great shape. Even if it's just a slightly slower version of him.

[objective]

Since we are talking about roster, if Simmons were to start, what would he average? Pure hypothetical obviously since he won't. Just curious to see what some of you think.

Not talking about starting. But if he was given 6th man type minutes ... at least 10 points

[Ron Swanson]

Not sure what Denver are doing TBH. They have a nice SG in Harris, just drafted 2 more SGs (Murray and Beasley), and they'd be putting a non-3 shooter in Wade next to Mudiay who can't shoot either. And neither can Faried, so their spacing would be horrific. Odd move.

It'd be nice if the SPurs could grab Gary Harris. He's an under-rated youngster.

Smoking a lot of weed.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Smoking a lot of weed.

Indeed. :lmao

[SD126]

Smoking a lot of weed.

Well they are in Denver for a reason

[LakerHater]

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[LakerHater]

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[HarlemHeat37]

Would be shocking if Wade left Miami..not on the level of Duncan or Dirk leaving, but close..

Lebron and Wade are best friends and Lebron and Riley hate each other, could be a nice move from a spite perspective:lol

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Would be shocking if Wade left Miami..not on the level of Duncan or Dirk leaving, but close..

They've pissed him off over money the past few years, so I wouldn't be surprised. he's sacrificed for them and they've not given him anything in return.

I hope he leaves, although Denver makes no sense as the place to go given their glut of SGs. I guess he'll play 3?

[Joseph Kony]

:sleep

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Doesn't make basketball sense for Denver, however, I guess they want a name and Wade is the best they can get, so this signing would generate some buzz around. Wonder what they'll be doing with their 3 young SGs, all of which are intriguing. They also have Will Barton. Nurkic and Lauvergne are also nice players. Denver will be making deals if they manage to sign Wade.

[marinoman]

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You follow some random guy named jkemp or did someone you follow retweet him?

[Chinook]

All right, so I think this is how the team is going to go into tomorrow as far as cap space:



Player
Salary/Hold


LaMarcus Aldridge
$20,575,005


Kawhi Leonard
$17,638,063


Tony Parker
$14,445,313


Pau Gasol
$14,131,586


Danny Green
$10,000,000


Manu Ginobili
$4,410,945


Patty Mills
$3,578,948


Tim Duncan
$2,131,250


Davis Bertans
$1,578,105


Boban Marjanovic
$1,500,000


Kyle Anderson
$1,192,080


Livio Jean-Charles
$1,188,840


Dejounte Murray
$1,180,080


Jonathan Simmons
$874,636






Total
$94,424,851


Remaining Cap Space
-$281,851


Note: LJC and Murray would sign at the end. Prior to that, the team would have like $100k left in cap space.

That leaves two open roster spots and pretty much nothing besides the room exception. The Spurs could free up considerable cap space by doing the following things: 1) Having Manu agree to use the room exception. If this happens, that's $4.4 Million back in play. 2) Have Duncan agree to retire without taking his salary. That's $2.1 Million more. 3) Let Boban walk. Unless Marjanovic wants to sign the QO, the team is going to be forced into doing this anyway. There's just no room anymore if he doesn't take the room exception or if 1) or 2) doesn't happen. Doing all three of these gets them $7.6 Million in cap space, and if Manu walks away and Bertans takes the room exception (not ideal at all), then the team would be closer to $9 Million, which is still enough to buy something in this market.

Honestly, looking at this, this doesn't seem like the plan. Everything fits in nearly perfectly right now that I do think there's a good chance it stays this way. The team has almost no ability to give Boban a contract, and if he goes, then I think they're shopping the room exception as a means of getting his replacement. Here's is what the depth chart looks like:

Parker, Mills, winner of the Forbes/Arcidiacono/possibly Hanlan competition
Green, Ginobili, Murray
Leonard, Simmons, Bertans
Aldridge, Anderson, LJC
Gasol, Boban/RE big, min big

That bench has some weaknesses but also a lot of potential. You know I'd like to see a center with some pop if Boban leaves, but for the min big, I actually think an undersized guy who's strong enough to fill in at the five but also mobile enough to be an emergency four works the best for that final slot. Reed is a good idea here. I could see Manu getting something close to $10 Million this year (and yes, ew), so we're looking at something between $102-106 Million for the team's overall cap hit. Here's a heavily projected list:



Player
Salary/Hold


LaMarcus Aldridge
$20,575,005


Kawhi Leonard
$17,638,063


Tony Parker
$14,445,313


Pau Gasol
$14,131,586


Danny Green
$10,000,000


Manu Ginobili
$10,000,000


Patty Mills
$3,578,948


Room Exception
$2,898,000


Tim Duncan (Stretch)
$2,131,250


Davis Bertans
$1,578,105


Kyle Anderson
$1,192,080


Livio Jean-Charles
$1,188,840


Dejounte Murray
$1,180,080


Willie Reed
$874,636


Jonathan Simmons
$874,636


Bryn Forbes
$543,471






Total
$102,830,013


Remaining Cap Space
-$8,687,013




The team would be able to offer Reed $1.6 Million in salary for the first season, though that's only if they get a deal signed tomorrow. Hopefully (like REALLY hopefully) Dedmon accepts the room exception. Would be a fantastic bench if that happened. Unfortunately, the timing is going to be all screwed up with Tim not yet retiring and with them not even having deals struck for some of these guys.

[siraulo23]

Are there reports that say the spurs are actually interested in dedmon?

[SAGirl]

^^ Thanks for that Chinook. We don't know yet about Boban and Manu but it does seem like it's an either or situation right? I think Spurs will do whatever they must to pay Manu what he's worth in this market but accounting for all his rest and maintenance schedule. They traded Boris partly for that so Pop is not about to lose Manu.

The market for Boban is unknown. What about that exception he could have? The Arenas rule? I don't know much about either Dedmon or Reed. I'd really like Boban back.

[Chinook]

^^ Thanks for that Chinook. We don't know yet about Boban and Manu but it does seem like it's an either or situation right? I think Spurs will do whatever they must to pay Manu what he's worth in this market but accounting for all his rest and maintenance schedule. They traded Boris partly for that so Pop is not about to lose Manu.

The market for Boban is unknown. What about that exception he could have? The Arenas rule? I don't know much about either Dedmon or Reed. I'd really like Boban back.

It's really about Tim. They'll have to decide tomorrow if they want to keep Tim's salary or Manu's hold and Boban's QO. Gasol can give then time by agreeing to hold off on his deal, but probably not much. Once that decision is made, the team can wait a good deal longer to see if Boban can be kept for the room exception. It would be nice to know tomorrow, though, as the extra million bucks may help secure a better sixth big.

[Chinook]

Are there reports that say the spurs are actually interested in dedmon?

Nope. But that doesn't matter.

[siraulo23]

^ why doesnt it matter? :lol

what are the chances he signs with the spurs

[TheGreatYacht]

My realistic dream roster:

Parker/Mills/Murray
Green/Manu/Forbes
Leonard/Simmons/Bertans
Aldridge/Anderson/Jean-Charles
Pau/Borrousis/Milutinov

I think Borrousis would be a perfect fit with the second unit. His combination of shooting, passing, and size with potentially three playmakers and the ball should be moving out if the shooting is not working you sub in Bertans. If Patty is not hitting you got Forbes. If Borrousis is getting beat on the defensive end you sub Milutinov who is more mobile. Then you have a defensive specialist like Jean-Charles if you need stops. Very versatile bench with plenty of options.
Replace Borrousis with Boban and we're good to go, that's a nice 2nd unit and 3rd :toast

[Chinook]

^ why doesnt it matter? :lol

what are the chances he signs with the spurs

Because if it's not him, it will be someone like him.

[NikosChelsea7]

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[SAGirl]

It's really about Tim. They'll have to decide tomorrow if they want to keep Tim's salary or Manu's hold and Boban's QO. Gasol can give then time by agreeing to hold off on his deal, but probably not much. Once that decision is made, the team can wait a good deal longer to see if Boban can be kept for the room exception. It would be nice to know tomorrow, though, as the extra million bucks may help secure a better sixth big.
Thanks that answers my question. I have no idea about Milutinov but he's out there too. The rookies are also expecting to sign to be able to play soon. Murray may have tweeted about wanting to play just bc he's an excitable kid and not have a clue. Thanks for the roster layout too. :tu. I now understand the significance of the Tim issue.

GSH speculation persuaded me maybe they are trying to do something about his contract (dump it somewhere if he's retiring but if he doesn't know...) interesting.

[objective]

I could see Manu getting something close to $10 Million this year (and yes, ew), so we're looking at something between $102-106 Million for the team's overall cap hit. Here's a heavily projected list:



how would Manu get $10 million?

I was recently under the impression that the Spurs renounced him to fit Aldridge and used the room exception on him? Wouldn't that mean he lost his bird rights after the renouncement?

[BillMc]

Replace Borrousis with Boban and we're good to go, that's a nice 2nd unit and 3rd :toast

I personally don't know (since I've never seen him play) but a couple of Euro watchers over here say Borrousis is a lot better than Boban. I've no idea what it will cost to get him though.

[BillMc]

All right, so I think this is how the team is going to go into tomorrow as far as cap space:



Player
Salary/Hold


LaMarcus Aldridge
$20,575,005


Kawhi Leonard
$17,638,063


Tony Parker
$14,445,313


Pau Gasol
$14,131,586


Danny Green
$10,000,000


Manu Ginobili
$4,410,945


Patty Mills
$3,578,948


Tim Duncan
$2,131,250


Davis Bertans
$1,578,105


Boban Marjanovic
$1,500,000


Kyle Anderson
$1,192,080


Livio Jean-Charles
$1,188,840


Dejounte Murray
$1,180,080


Jonathan Simmons
$874,636






Total
$94,424,851


Remaining Cap Space
-$281,851


Note: LJC and Murray would sign at the end. Prior to that, the team would have like $100k left in cap space.

That leaves two open roster spots and pretty much nothing besides the room exception. The Spurs could free up considerable cap space by doing the following things: 1) Having Manu agree to use the room exception. If this happens, that's $4.4 Million back in play. 2) Have Duncan agree to retire without taking his salary. That's $2.1 Million more. 3) Let Boban walk. Unless Marjanovic wants to sign the QO, the team is going to be forced into doing this anyway. There's just no room anymore if he doesn't take the room exception or if 1) or 2) doesn't happen. Doing all three of these gets them $7.6 Million in cap space, and if Manu walks away and Bertans takes the room exception (not ideal at all), then the team would be closer to $9 Million, which is still enough to buy something in this market.

Honestly, looking at this, this doesn't seem like the plan. Everything fits in nearly perfectly right now that I do think there's a good chance it stays this way. The team has almost no ability to give Boban a contract, and if he goes, then I think they're shopping the room exception as a means of getting his replacement. Here's is what the depth chart looks like:

Parker, Mills, winner of the Forbes/Arcidiacono/possibly Hanlan competition
Green, Ginobili, Murray
Leonard, Simmons, Bertans
Aldridge, Anderson, LJC
Gasol, Boban/RE big, min big

That bench has some weaknesses but also a lot of potential. You know I'd like to see a center with some pop if Boban leaves, but for the min big, I actually think an undersized guy who's strong enough to fill in at the five but also mobile enough to be an emergency four works the best for that final slot. Reed is a good idea here. I could see Manu getting something close to $10 Million this year (and yes, ew), so we're looking at something between $102-106 Million for the team's overall cap hit. Here's a heavily projected list:



Player
Salary/Hold


LaMarcus Aldridge
$20,575,005


Kawhi Leonard
$17,638,063


Tony Parker
$14,445,313


Pau Gasol
$14,131,586


Danny Green
$10,000,000


Manu Ginobili
$10,000,000


Patty Mills
$3,578,948


Room Exception
$2,898,000


Tim Duncan (Stretch)
$2,131,250


Davis Bertans
$1,578,105


Kyle Anderson
$1,192,080


Livio Jean-Charles
$1,188,840


Dejounte Murray
$1,180,080


Willie Reed
$874,636


Jonathan Simmons
$874,636


Bryn Forbes
$543,471






Total
$102,830,013


Remaining Cap Space
-$8,687,013



The team would be able to offer Reed $1.6 Million in salary for the first season, though that's only if they get a deal signed tomorrow. Hopefully (like REALLY hopefully) Dedmon accepts the room exception. Would be a fantastic bench if that happened. Unfortunately, the timing is going to be all screwed up with Tim not yet retiring and with them not even having deals struck for some of these guys.

Always like these detailed posts you do. Keep up the great work. :toast

[ceperez]

All right, so I think this is how the team is going to go into tomorrow as far as cap space:



Player
Salary/Hold


LaMarcus Aldridge
$20,575,005


Kawhi Leonard
$17,638,063


Tony Parker
$14,445,313


Pau Gasol
$14,131,586


Danny Green
$10,000,000


Manu Ginobili
$4,410,945


Patty Mills
$3,578,948


Tim Duncan
$2,131,250


Davis Bertans
$1,578,105


Boban Marjanovic
$1,500,000


Kyle Anderson
$1,192,080


Livio Jean-Charles
$1,188,840


Dejounte Murray
$1,180,080


Jonathan Simmons
$874,636






Total
$94,424,851


Remaining Cap Space
-$281,851


Note: LJC and Murray would sign at the end. Prior to that, the team would have like $100k left in cap space.

That leaves two open roster spots and pretty much nothing besides the room exception. The Spurs could free up considerable cap space by doing the following things: 1) Having Manu agree to use the room exception. If this happens, that's $4.4 Million back in play. 2) Have Duncan agree to retire without taking his salary. That's $2.1 Million more. 3) Let Boban walk. Unless Marjanovic wants to sign the QO, the team is going to be forced into doing this anyway. There's just no room anymore if he doesn't take the room exception or if 1) or 2) doesn't happen. Doing all three of these gets them $7.6 Million in cap space, and if Manu walks away and Bertans takes the room exception (not ideal at all), then the team would be closer to $9 Million, which is still enough to buy something in this market.

Honestly, looking at this, this doesn't seem like the plan. Everything fits in nearly perfectly right now that I do think there's a good chance it stays this way. The team has almost no ability to give Boban a contract, and if he goes, then I think they're shopping the room exception as a means of getting his replacement. Here's is what the depth chart looks like:

Parker, Mills, winner of the Forbes/Arcidiacono/possibly Hanlan competition
Green, Ginobili, Murray
Leonard, Simmons, Bertans
Aldridge, Anderson, LJC
Gasol, Boban/RE big, min big

That bench has some weaknesses but also a lot of potential. You know I'd like to see a center with some pop if Boban leaves, but for the min big, I actually think an undersized guy who's strong enough to fill in at the five but also mobile enough to be an emergency four works the best for that final slot. Reed is a good idea here. I could see Manu getting something close to $10 Million this year (and yes, ew), so we're looking at something between $102-106 Million for the team's overall cap hit. Here's a heavily projected list:



Player
Salary/Hold


LaMarcus Aldridge
$20,575,005


Kawhi Leonard
$17,638,063


Tony Parker
$14,445,313


Pau Gasol
$14,131,586


Danny Green
$10,000,000


Manu Ginobili
$10,000,000


Patty Mills
$3,578,948


Room Exception
$2,898,000


Tim Duncan (Stretch)
$2,131,250


Davis Bertans
$1,578,105


Kyle Anderson
$1,192,080


Livio Jean-Charles
$1,188,840


Dejounte Murray
$1,180,080


Willie Reed
$874,636


Jonathan Simmons
$874,636


Bryn Forbes
$543,471






Total
$102,830,013


Remaining Cap Space
-$8,687,013




The team would be able to offer Reed $1.6 Million in salary for the first season, though that's only if they get a deal signed tomorrow. Hopefully (like REALLY hopefully) Dedmon accepts the room exception. Would be a fantastic bench if that happened. Unfortunately, the timing is going to be all screwed up with Tim not yet retiring and with them not even having deals struck for some of these guys.

Excellent stuff, thanks for the DETAILED breakdown!

[Chinook]

how would Manu get $10 million?

I was recently under the impression that the Spurs renounced him to fit Aldridge and used the room exception on him? Wouldn't that mean he lost his bird rights after the renouncement?

Bird rights are year-to-year things. That Manu was renounced last season has no effect on his status now. The team regained his Bird rights as soon as he re-signed his contract.

[MaNu4Tres]

Bird rights are year-to-year things. That Manu was renounced last season has no effect on his status now. The team regained his Bird rights as soon as he re-signed his contract.

But why are you penciling him at 10 million? I'm even confused with that.

I understand his agent made the typical agent quote regarding trying to get the most for Manu, but knowing Manu too -- you'd have to think they'd meet somewhere in the middle between Manu doing whats best for the team, and Manu getting more than the minimum, no?

10 million sounds steep.

[Obstructed_View]

10 million sounds steep.
I'm not sure anyone loves Manu more than I do, but 10 million sounds like highway robbery, tbh. :)

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I'm not sure anyone loves Manu more than I do, but 10 million sounds like highway robbery, tbh. :)

Well in a world where Tyler Johnson and Eric Gordon are getting $12+ mil...

[MaNu4Tres]

Well in a world where Tyler Johnson and Eric Gordon are getting $12+ mil...

Manu is turning 40 next year.

Those guys are 24, and 27 -- of course they deserve bigger contracts. Age is a very relevant variable when teams determine value with the deals they offer.

[Mal]

I'm not sure anyone loves Manu more than I do, but 10 million sounds like highway robbery, tbh. :)

Manu is coming back for money ? Dont think so

[Obstructed_View]

Well in a world where Tyler Johnson and Eric Gordon are getting $12+ mil...

I'm sure that's what's motivating Manu's agent to say the shit he's saying. And if the Spurs had a lot of cap room and were throwing it at shitty players I'd say to give Manu 20 a year. But that's not really the case, and the Spurs have a window to win a title, so if Manu wants to go to Denver, I'm sure they have a big check for him. He can come back and sit next to David Robinson for the playoffs.

[Obstructed_View]

Manu is coming back for money ? Dont think so

I don't either. The Spurs will pay Manu every penny they can afford to pay him, but they rightfully shouldn't sacrifice useful pieces to do it. I'm sure Manu knows that. I suspect that even his agent knows that.

[objective]

Bird rights are year-to-year things. That Manu was renounced last season has no effect on his status now. The team regained his Bird rights as soon as he re-signed his contract.

you are correct, I did more reading and it's clear.

fwiw, I wouldn't mind if they paid Manu $10 million. Not that it would make a difference in the real world, but better that free agents see once again that the Spurs take care of players.

[Obstructed_View]

you are correct, I did more reading and it's clear.

fwiw, I wouldn't mind if they paid Manu $10 million. Not that it would make a difference in the real world, but better that free agents see once again that the Spurs take care of players.

So if they wait until everything else is done, they can sign him to whatever they want? If that's the case, give him fifteen million.

[Mouth is Bleeding]

Regarding Manu, Nate Duncan breaks it down well here from 28.30: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/duncdon/2016/07/05/free-agency-days-3-and-4-part-1

It's unlikely that we can match anything when it comes to Boban and giving the remaining money that isn't going elsewhere anyway, up to 15m to Manu is about making things right from underpaying him previously. Especially making last season work.

It would be the Spurs thing to do you could say. Taking care of your players and of course Manu isn't just any player.

[Chinook]

But why are you penciling him at 10 million? I'm even confused with that.

I understand his agent made the typical agent quote regarding trying to get the most for Manu, but knowing Manu too -- you'd have to think they'd meet somewhere in the middle between Manu doing whats best for the team, and Manu getting more than the minimum, no?

10 million sounds steep.

In a world where Dirk is getting $20 Million a year and Wade is getting offered $25 Million, $10 Million for Manu seems more than tame enough. Really, though, it doesn't matter if it's $5 Million or $20 Million. It affects the cap the same way. If I were the Spurs, I wouldn't hesitate about giving him that money if he wasn't taking the room exception. But I'd want to tack on a second fully non-guaranteed year after it. And the guarantee date would be well after the moratorium/lockout so that the team could do anything with it that they pleased. Give him his going away present and be done with it.

[Chinook]

So if they wait until everything else is done, they can sign him to whatever they want? If that's the case, give him fifteen million.

Yes, but that means they they have to keep his $4.4-Million cap hold, which means at this point Tim would have to retire and the team would have to lose Boban. But the room exception could be used to replace Marjanovic (or hell even to re-sign him) with someone like Bourousis or Dedmon or Plumlee (ew) or Birdman or a number of other bigs. And then Boban's $1.5-Million QO and the remaining cap space could be used on one more player. After all that is done (excluding the use of the room exception), then Manu can be signed using his Bird rights and Murray/LJC/Milutinov if they go that route can be signed to the full 120 percent of the rookie scale.

[MaNu4Tres]

I just hate how Spurs gave Gasol the 2nd year as a player option. It's going to ruin Spurs' flexibility next off-season.

Odds are Gasol doesn't have a better year than last year and he opts in.

He's going on 37 years old, and he won't see nearly as many touches as he did in Chicago. Only way I could see him increase his value is if he went to a situation like Chicago where his touches were maximized, in SA, playing with Aldridge and Kawhi, his touches will be very limited and he'll put up 11 and 8 with okay defense -- not enough to warrant opting out and expecting a bigger pay day -- especially considering he's 36 going on 37 years old.

If they were going to tie up money for next year too, the better play in the long run for Kawhi/Aldridge/Green's next 3-4 years was to go after Biyombo instead of Gasol -- even at the expense of 1 yr rental in Patty/ Diaw. IMO

[objective]

I just hate how Spurs gave Gasol the 2nd year as a player option. It's going to ruin Spurs' flexibility next off-season.

Odds are Gasol doesn't have a better year than last year and he opts in.

He's going on 37 years old, and he won't see nearly as many touches as he did in Chicago. Only way I could see him increase his value is if he went to a situation like Chicago where his touches were maximized, in SA, playing with Aldridge and Kawhi, his touches will be very limited and he'll put up 11 and 8 with okay defense -- not enough to warrant opting out and expecting a bigger pay day -- especially considering he's 36 going on 37 years old.

If they were going to tie up money for next year too, the better play in the long run for Kawhi/Aldridge/Green's next 3-4 years was to go after Biyombo instead of Gasol -- even at the expense of 1 yr rental in Patty/ Diaw. IMO

I agree about the option but am resigned to the idea that it was probably a dealbreaker without it from Pau's side.

Good news is that he'll be off the books with Parker at the same time, what's that, 30 million? Of course, I think Green has the ability to opt out at the same time, so ... bad news?

[raybies]

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Sure...

[MaNu4Tres]

I agree about the option but am resigned to the idea that it was probably a dealbreaker without it from Pau's side.

Good news is that he'll be off the books with Parker at the same time, what's that, 30 million? Of course, I think Green has the ability to opt out at the same time, so ... bad news?

It just prolongs the re-building process around Leonard/Aldridge/Green when it could have started this summer.

Just would have prefered Biyombo at C with the Aldridge/Leonard/Green core starting this year than surrounding the core with Pau and Parker for next 2 years.

[Obstructed_View]

750661023762354176

Sure...

His reps contacted Golden State and he said he'd be interested in other teams to try to entice the Warriors into signing up his corpse for the league minimum.

[smaka]

Lol. Was just waiting for a tweet like this to appear. I bet he goes to GSW.

[objective]

It just prolongs the re-building process around Leonard/Aldridge/Green when it could have started this summer.

Just would have prefered Biyombo at C with the Aldridge/Leonard/Green core starting this year than surrounding the core with Pau and Parker for next 2 years.

I don't disagree, unfortunately the Durant wooing fiasco cost the Spurs those opportunities. Biyombo was off the table before the public decision. So was my man Mahinmi, though I know he's not a popular figure around here. Even Cole Aldrich, off the table.

I always thought Durant chasing was a waste of time, but I also thought that about chasing Aldridge.

[raybies]

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[MaNu4Tres]

I don't disagree, unfortunately the Durant wooing fiasco cost the Spurs those opportunities. Biyombo was off the table before the public decision. So was my man Mahinmi, though I know he's not a popular figure around here. Even Cole Aldrich, off the table.

I always thought Durant chasing was a waste of time, but I also thought that about chasing Aldridge.

Even if Biyombo was off the table, I would have preferred going after him the moment major guys like Woj were saying it was between Warriors and OKC. They could have had a shot then.

Also, I would have even preferred Boursousis on a 1+ 1(team option) deal for 5-6 mil per over Gasol for 2 yrs/30 mil. Could have given Spurs flexibility to keep Diaw or still trade him if they knew they had a shot for a guy to build with Kawhi/Green/ Aldridge like a Harkless. If they kept Diaw then they'd still maintain flexibility to add another young piece next to Kawhi/Aldridge/Green next off-season.

[TheGreatYacht]

you are correct, I did more reading and it's clear.

fwiw, I wouldn't mind if they paid Manu $10 million. Not that it would make a difference in the real world, but better that free agents see once again that the Spurs take care of players.
Don't you want Parker gone because he's overpaid? Lol

[TheGreatYacht]

750661023762354176

Sure...
He'll sign for the minimum, for sure. We have a SG roster spot open for a vet :tu

Green/Simmons/Allen :wow

[objective]

Don't you want Parker gone because he's overpaid? Lol

absolutely, and his contract goes beyond this year. And it's not just overpaid. It's his performance.

I would rather have Manu at 10 million and no Parker than Parker at 14 for 2 years and no Manu.

[TheGreatYacht]

absolutely, and his contract goes beyond this year. And it's not just overpaid. It's his performance.

I would rather have Manu at 10 million and no Parker than Parker at 14 for 2 years and no Manu.
Be honest with yourself. Manu ain't worth more than the vets min.

He's washed. I'd rather get rid of both.

[SPURt]

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Sure...
Forbes for the rookie scale contract or two years removed from competition Ray Allen looking to get new NBA money? Give me Forbes please.

[objective]

Be honest with yourself. Manu ain't worth more than the vets min.

He's washed. I'd rather get rid of both.

It would be a goodbye thank-you gift that even without wouldn't give the Spurs any decent caproom. Parker's deal has been strangling their cap and will continue to do so.

Manu comes off the bench and plays bench minutes. Parker starts and plays starter minutes.

Manu is better at his job than Parker is at his, period. And Manu can occasionally guard his position, something Parker hasn't done for years.

[TheGreatYacht]

It would be a goodbye thank-you gift that even without wouldn't give the Spurs any decent caproom. Parker's deal has been strangling their cap and will continue to do so.

Manu comes off the bench and plays bench minutes. Parker starts and plays starter minutes.

Manu is better at his job than Parker is at his, period. And Manu can occasionally guard his position, something Parker hasn't done for years.
Your main reason of paying Manu was to show free agents that we take care of our guys, but then you want to trade one of the best players we've ever had because he's old. Dat good Ol Manu fan logic.

Manu is better at his job? What job is that? Run one of the worst benches we've ever had? Pop himself said everything went to crap against the Thunder when the bench came in. Time to change shit up and go away from his ball dominant play style that doesn't fit him anymore. Oh, and Manu doesn't defend anyone for shit :lol got cooked by Rivers and Waiters in back to back years.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmZzRle_wMo&feature=share

Manu Ginobili 2015 playoffs:
8.0ppg, 3.4rpg, 4.6apg, 34.9FG%

Manu Ginobili 2016 playoffs:
6.7ppg, 2.7rpg, 2.5apg, 42.6FG%

[cutewizard]

http://news4sanantonio.com/sports/spurs-zone/locked-on-spurs-ep-4-talking-pau-gasol-signing-davis-dertans-more

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2jR0WXLA48

[cutewizard]

http://news4sanantonio.com/sports/spurs-zone/spurs-foreign-prospect-forward-davis-bertans-in-san-antonio-to-ink-deal

[cutewizard]

wtf, this Greek center is a stretch five! i wonder if we can get him???

[cutewizard]

We could have a bench with him at center, Bertans Murray, Simmons with Manu as mentor, why not?

thats a fighting bench, hmmmm

[MaNu4Tres]

I want Spurs to give Forbes a 3-4 yr Blair- type deal once they settle the front-court situation.

I'm sold.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I want Spurs to give Forbes a 3-4 yr Blair- type deal once they settle the front-court situation.

I'm sold.

They'd have to use cap space ( unlikely to have any ) or the room exception, which they probably hope Boban would take, or alternatively Bourousis/Dedmon/another big.

[Rev Hill]

We could have a bench with him at center, Bertans Murray, Simmons with Manu as mentor, why not?

thats a fighting bench, hmmmm

If that is our bench, we are in for a long year.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sVsO-JvqNI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dqvDCZ7yjU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb86K6pa9N0

[MaNu4Tres]

They'd have to use cap space ( unlikely to have any ) or the room exception, which they probably hope Boban would take, or alternatively Bourousis/Dedmon/another big.

I'm fully aware. There's a lot of different things they can do to free up an extra 600-800K. There's a lot of unknown variables at this time, will TD retire and be stretched? How much is Manu going to make? How much is the free agent they bring in going to make? We don't know any of these things at this time. I'm just saying I'd like Forbes on a 3-4 yr Blair type of deal. Will they be able to afford him? No one knows until other stuff plays out.

[Chinook]

They'd have to use cap space ( unlikely to have any ) or the room exception, which they probably hope Boban would take, or alternatively Bourousis/Dedmon/another big.

Actually, they're quite likely to have cap space. This isn't like last season where they were fitting in salaries. The Diaw trade cleared quite a bit of cap space. How it gets used and how the room exception plays into that is what's up for debate right now. But Forbes' deal is small enough that it could get done. However, he likely got a two-year deal like Arcidiacono

[Escawun3]

Prediction for 2017: Blake to Thunder, CP3 to Spurs.

[jermaine]

wtf, this Greek center is a stretch five! i wonder if we can get him???

That nicca nice! An we've been holding on to Bonner for what again?

[SpursforSix]

That nicca nice! An we've been holding on to Bonner for what again?

:pop: He has pics of my privates.

[cutewizard]

Prediction for 2017: Blake to Thunder, CP3 to Spurs.


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why would CP3 want to play with the Spurs??

[CGD]

Yes, but that means they they have to keep his $4.4-Million cap hold, which means at this point Tim would have to retire and the team would have to lose Boban. But the room exception could be used to replace Marjanovic (or hell even to re-sign him) with someone like Bourousis or Dedmon or Plumlee (ew) or Birdman or a number of other bigs. And then Boban's $1.5-Million QO and the remaining cap space could be used on one more player. After all that is done (excluding the use of the room exception), then Manu can be signed using his Bird rights and Murray/LJC/Milutinov if they go that route can be signed to the full 120 percent of the rookie scale.

What happens to Bertans in this scenario (room exception used on someone else)? Are Spurs limited to the minimum/vet offer?

[stxspurs]

Prediction for 2017: Blake to Thunder, CP3 to Spurs.

I just threw up in my mouth

[Chinook]

What happens to Bertans in this scenario (room exception used on someone else)? Are Spurs limited to the minimum/vet offer?

No, as you can see in my really long posts, he's already accounted for.

[Spurs9]

Anthony Randolph?

Poor man's Odom to pair with Gasol.

More likely to get someone overseas for cheap than a player currently in the NBA.
I don't know who specifically, but I'm sure there are plenty of gems overseas we can get away paying cheap contracts too if we need to. I guarantee that you can find a player that can produce as much as Evan Turner who got $70million for a min contract. When the market becomes this over inflated for contracts you gotta get creative.

[montgod]

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why would CP3 want to play with the Spurs??

I don't see CP3 leaving Clippers unless he joins up with whoever he is best buds with like Lebron (but he has Irving...)

[Spurs9]

Spurs need to do anything they can to get Westbrook is its a possibility. Parker+Green or do some sort of 3 team trade. I think the Spurs staff could work on any negatives associated with Westbrook and have a scary combo with Leonard/Aldridge/Westbrook/Gasol. I don't see many other players the Spurs could try to add that would give them the bump needed to take the Warriors team out. Obviously many would disagree but that kind of attack to the rim that he provides would be huge.

[Mal]

Spurs need to do anything they can to get Westbrook is its a possibility. Parker+Green or do some sort of 3 team trade. I think the Spurs staff could work on any negatives associated with Westbrook and have a scary combo with Leonard/Aldridge/Westbrook/Gasol. I don't see many other players the Spurs could try to add that would give them the bump needed to take the Warriors team out. Obviously many would disagree but that kind of attack to the rim that he provides would be huge.

They could get Porzingis for Westbrooks from Knicks or some of Boston`s assets, so I dont think that Parker + Green is the offer you call with.

[montgod]

They could get Porzingis for Westbrooks from Knicks or some of Boston`s assets, so I dont think that Parker + Green is the offer you call with.

I just can't see Knicks giving up Porzingis... he is a rare blend of talent at 7'3 and he is still young.

[sasaint]

They could get Porzingis for Westbrooks from Knicks or some of Boston`s assets, so I dont think that Parker + Green is the offer you call with.

I don't know that the Spurs could or would deal for Westbrook. But I definitely don't see the Knicks in play - especially for Porzingis. The Knicks are already on the hook for +/- $20MM for their new PG, D Rose. Too much money and too many PGs by adding Westbrook.

[cutewizard]

http://airalamo.com/2016/07/05/looking-spurs-depth-chart-means/

[Spurs9]

They could get Porzingis for Westbrooks from Knicks or some of Boston`s assets, so I dont think that Parker + Green is the offer you call with.

I don't see any way they would give him up, he would probably be one of the last ones they give up just based on his potential tbh. And they already just got Rose, they may try to keep him long term depending on how he performs this season.

[Keepin' it real]

I just threw up in my mouth

Um, yeah, that's pretty standard.

[RD2191]

The only way Russ ends up in SA in a trade is if for some reason the higher ups are pissed at KD and would do anything possible to make sure KD doesn't ring in GS. I'm talking Dan Gilbert when LBJ left the Cavs type hate. Other than that there is no chance in hell Russ ends up in SA.

[Spurs9]

The only way Russ ends up in SA in a trade is if for some reason the higher ups are pissed at KD and would do anything possible to make sure KD doesn't ring in GS. I'm talking Dan Gilbert when LBJ left the Cavs type hate. Other than that there is no chance in hell Russ ends up in SA.
Thats true, they aren't going to gift the opponent like the Spurs a Westbrook to build another super team. He will probably be traded to some team who doesn't have any shot at contending as they rebuild.

[LakerHater]

So Forbes is the spurs JJ Redick

[montgod]

So Forbes is the spurs JJ Redick

I like what he is showing so far. Hopefully it's not because of the competition and he turns back into a pumpkin when he leaves Summer League.

[LakerHater]

You follow some random guy named jkemp or did someone you follow retweet him?

Heard in the radio abt wht Austin Carr's son said so I tied to find sumthng on twitter. apparently there's sumthng on facebook but I dnt hav facebook.

[GSH]

Actually, they're quite likely to have cap space. This isn't like last season where they were fitting in salaries. The Diaw trade cleared quite a bit of cap space. How it gets used and how the room exception plays into that is what's up for debate right now. But Forbes' deal is small enough that it could get done. However, he likely got a two-year deal like Arcidiacono


I thought almost all of Diaw's salary dump was needed to afford Gasol? And between Gasol and Manu, I thought we would specifically be in the position of fitting in salaries. That's why I was talking about a possible Disabled Player Exception for Duncan. I guess I missed something. Of course, that's not hard to do in this mess. Tim and Manu add a lot of variables right now.

[Chinook]

I thought almost all of Diaw's salary dump was needed to afford Gasol? And between Gasol and Manu, I thought we would specifically be in the position of fitting in salaries. That's why I was talking about a possible Disabled Player Exception for Duncan. I guess I missed something. Of course, that's not hard to do in this mess. Tim and Manu add a lot of variables right now.

Nope. Manu has a fixed cap hold, and Gasol's deal minus Diaw's contract - whatever happens with Duncan - whatever happens with Boban plus Bertan's deal leaves about $1.6 Million in pure cap space. As you may recall, I had been projecting it as belonging to Willie Reed or some other sixth big. But obviously, it doesn't have to, and it shouldn't, if Forbes is willing to sign a three-year deal.

[Mnky]

They could get Porzingis for Westbrooks from Knicks or some of Boston`s assets, so I dont think that Parker + Green is the offer you call with.

No team is going to trade franchise potential players for a player who has said no way he extends before free agency. You have the option of chasing him without losing anything in a year. Especially when the east and west have teams that are stacked at the top, and a one year rental doesn't do much for you. Those young guys will still be young next summer and even better. Better chance to get Westbrook on if you have a good team. Makes very little sense to burn assets on a one year rental, especially this year.

[cjw]

No team is going to trade franchise potential players for a player who has said no way he extends before free agency. You have the option of chasing him without losing anything in a year. Especially when the east and west have teams that are stacked at the top, and a one year rental doesn't do much for you. Those young guys will still be young next summer and even better. Better chance to get Westbrook on if you have a good team. Makes very little sense to burn assets on a one year rental, especially this year.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11397368/kevin-love-traded-minnesota-timberwolves-cleveland-cavaliers

Yeah, it never happens. They dealt Wiggins for a much lesser player than Westbrook. Understood Wiggins may not be a franchise player, but could be an All Star at some point.

If you have a way to get Westbrook on your team, you make that deal and ask questions later. Who cares about Rose?

[gambit1990]

i hope robinson will be okay with how little we'll be able to pay him...

[TheGreatYacht]

i hope robinson will be okay with how little we'll be able to pay him...
Should be enough if the Spurs don't pay Manure his money

[Chinook]

i hope robinson will be okay with how little we'll be able to pay him...

He's getting the same amount now as he's going to get from them.

[GSH]

Nope. Manu has a fixed cap hold, and Gasol's deal minus Diaw's contract - whatever happens with Duncan - whatever happens with Boban plus Bertan's deal leaves about $1.6 Million in pure cap space. As you may recall, I had been projecting it as belonging to Willie Reed or some other sixth big. But obviously, it doesn't have to, and it shouldn't, if Forbes is willing to sign a three-year deal.


Yeah, there it is. I quit looking at Manu's hold in favor of what I think they're going to have to pay to sign him. Of course, I also didn't think they were going to get Bertans on a min contract. I'd still like to see Bourousis get a shot, and I don't think they will be able to sign him for the min, either. But you're right - there's cap space. I just don't think it's enough for them to make some of the moves I'd like to see them make.

I was really hoping that they would have some chance at prying Moe Harkless loose from Portland. But even if they had more money to spend that doesn't seem very likely now. I guess it's not supposed to be easy.

[Chinook]

I also didn't think they were going to get Bertans on a min contract.

I don't believe he will get that. I'm projecting $5M/3, and that's reflected in the same table as the Reed salary slot.


I'd still like to see Bourousis get a shot, and I don't think they will be able to sign him for the min, either.

Well, I'd assume he'd get the room exception. However, if Manu takes that, then the team would essentially have an MLE deal to offer.

[jyra]

Gustavo Ayon is still available, I think he would be a better fit and also cheaper than Bourousis. Decent roll man and rebounder. He should be an option for a minimum deal.

[loveforthegame]

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[Kikoluna]

Gustavo Ayon is still available, I think he would be a better fit and also cheaper than Bourousis. Decent roll man and rebounder. He should be an option for a minimum deal.

The guy is the king in real madrid. Doubt he comes

[jyra]

The guy is the king in real madrid. Doubt he comes

Never mind, looks he already signed a deal to stay there: http://www.eurohoops.net/featured/271617/ayon-stays-with-real-madrid-for-the-next-three-years

[GSH]

Gustavo Ayon is still available, I think he would be a better fit and also cheaper than Bourousis. Decent roll man and rebounder. He should be an option for a minimum deal.

In 2011 I was calling for the Spurs to sign him. He was available for peanuts, and I thought the Spurs would have really benefitted from having him on the bench. NO signed him instead. He was steady, but never the player I expected him to be. I didn't expect much offense, and I got that part right. But he didn't bring down the rebounds as well as I expected. He wound up on three teams in three years, and his salary never increased - which should tell you that his game didn't improve much, if any. There is always demand for a skilled big man.

He's done well for Madrid, and that's why they just signed him to a new deal. As thin as the Spurs are in the middle, he wouldn't have been bad. But Bourosis has proven that he can play, and he's openly said that he is very interested in coming to the NBA, and to the Spurs specifically. I'm hoping they work out a deal.

[look_at_g_shred]

In 2011 I was calling for the Spurs to sign him. He was available for peanuts, and I thought the Spurs would have really benefitted from having him on the bench. NO signed him instead. He was steady, but never the player I expected him to be. I didn't expect much offense, and I got that part right. But he didn't bring down the rebounds as well as I expected. He wound up on three teams in three years, and his salary never increased - which should tell you that his game didn't improve much, if any. There is always demand for a skilled big man.

He's done well for Madrid, and that's why they just signed him to a new deal. As thin as the Spurs are in the middle, he wouldn't have been bad. But Bourosis has proven that he can play, and he's openly said that he is very interested in coming to the NBA, and to the Spurs specifically. I'm hoping they work out a deal.
Dude was always injured iirc

[jyra]

He's done well for Madrid, and that's why they just signed him to a new deal. As thin as the Spurs are in the middle, he wouldn't have been bad. But Bourosis has proven that he can play, and he's openly said that he is very interested in coming to the NBA, and to the Spurs specifically. I'm hoping they work out a deal.

I don't question his scoring ability, I just worry about his fit with the current roster. If the Spurs are going to pair him with KA as the bench bigs the defense is going to even worse than the Diaw-West combo.

[DPG21920]

Well one ancillary benifit to SA lacking big men is that young big men with a pulse should want to play for SA all else being equal.

For the first time with Tim, Boris, West & Boban likely gone SA has legit rotation minutes for bids. If you want to show your stuff on a winning team and increase your value SA has to look appealing.

[ceperez]

Well one ancillary benifit to SA lacking big men is that young big men with a pulse should want to play for SA all else being equal.

For the first time with Tim, Boris, West & Boban likely gone SA has legit rotation minutes for bids. If you want to show your stuff on a winning team and increase your value SA has to look appealing.

Maybe Spurs might be interested in http://www.nbadraft.net/players/damien-inglis 6'8" with 7'3" wingspan.

[GSH]

Dude was always injured iirc

Yeah, he had injuries. But he started 20+ games with the... Pelicans (I still hate saying that), when he was healthy. He had some good games, but he had some really, really bad ones. Four teams in three years, and if I remember they were three one-year deals for the same amount. That's not a good sign for a big man. To be fair, I'm sure his injuries/durability had something to do with that.

My point was that I don't dislike the Ayon. I was calling for the Spurs to sign him. But right now I would rather see Bourousis here. If the Spurs FO agrees, I'm sure we'll see him in silver and black because he wants to come. If I had to choose between Boban and Ayon as the third big, I'd probably take Ayon right now, not knowing how much Boban is going to improve. If Boban could develop the skills/knowledge to go with his size and shooting touch, he'd be a no-brainer to backup Gasol. If he doesn't, he's only playable in select situations.

[DPG21920]

Nene to Houston

[LakerHater]

Nene to Houston
In a steal deal!

[siraulo23]

How the f they manage to get nene for 2.9 million

has he declined that much? Either way good deal for houston

[Mal]

No team is going to trade franchise potential players for a player who has said no way he extends before free agency. You have the option of chasing him without losing anything in a year. Especially when the east and west have teams that are stacked at the top, and a one year rental doesn't do much for you. Those young guys will still be young next summer and even better. Better chance to get Westbrook on if you have a good team. Makes very little sense to burn assets on a one year rental, especially this year.

Of course they dont give up Porzingis for 1 year rental of Westbrook. Imagine, Westbrook saying yes to Knicks with 5 years full max extension, then they have to get him from OKC, so they give Porzingins, Rose, 1st rounder as filler and take Westbrook. They will do it in heart beat

[raybies]

Maybe Spurs might be interested in http://www.nbadraft.net/players/damien-inglis 6'8" with 7'3" wingspan.

Yeah, I wish we could get him on our Summer team. If not that then a training camp inv so if he doesn't make it we can develop him in Austin

[Kawhitstorm]

I just hate how Spurs gave Gasol the 2nd year as a player option. It's going to ruin Spurs' flexibility next off-season.

Odds are Gasol doesn't have a better year than last year and he opts in.

Odds are Porker won't be move next summer & PATFO won't make a major move until 2018.:bang

[montgod]

How the f they manage to get nene for 2.9 million

has he declined that much? Either way good deal for houston

He declined that much and is oft injured.

[montgod]

Odds are Porker won't be move next summer & PATFO won't make a major move until 2018.:bang

Honestly, Gasol could easily get more next year on his name alone in this new NBA.

[Mnky]

Of course they dont give up Porzingis for 1 year rental of Westbrook. Imagine, Westbrook saying yes to Knicks with 5 years full max extension, then they have to get him from OKC, so they give Porzingins, Rose, 1st rounder as filler and take Westbrook. They will do it in heart beat

That's not an option, Westbrook won't sign until next year's cap increase. Not to mention, if he wants to go, like is aid already, they can sign him without losing assets in the summer. Doesn't make sense at all. If Westbrook wanted to go, then he will, freely this summer. Plus at this point in their careers, porzingus has more upside. Westbrook has an injury history.

[BillMc]

While the team is (apparently) moving on from Martin did he sign anywhere? Is he going to be out of the league? He's too young to retire.

No way he's on the Spurs next year.

[gambit1990]

where is westbrook going next summer?

it's hard for me to imagine him on the spurs cause that's just a perfect situation.

he's from la? he goes to the lakers? clippers after chris paul leaves? he seems like he cares about the spotlight/that life.

i would imagine la would have a little more to offer than oklahoma city :lol



actually... if it's so clear that westbrook isn't resigning with the thunder... where does he get traded to?

[gambit1990]

the cavs should trade for westbrook tbh. i'd give up irving and love in a heartbeat for westbrook.

[LakerHater]

Guess he dont like us

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[Robz4000]

Guess he dont like us

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:cry they call out my horrible takes so fuck them !!!!! :cry

[BillMc]

Guess he dont like us

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As Groucho said "I wouldn't be a member of any club that would have me."

[objective]

Quiet day in free agency. Annoying.

[BillMc]

Quiet day in free agency. Annoying.

There's the Wade vs. Heat drama for entertainment. :lol

[Leetonidas]

Guess he dont like us

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:lmao

whiny ass bitch. I know he's probably reading this :lol

[montgod]

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[raybies]

Guess he dont like us

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Gave him a piece of my mind...

[gambit1990]

Guess he dont like us

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:lmao

[K...]

Dang they got riled up by the great yacht. http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmtPAz3XYAQmWgC.jpg

[MaNu4Tres]

:lmao

whiny ass bitch. I know he's probably reading this :lol

He can be a bit snobby. He only mentions or replies to either his peers ( other writers) or takes/tweets that are beyond pathetic (so it makes him look intelligent). If you come at him with a legitimate debate he'll just ignore if you're not a writer.

A lot of these journalism majors who write for basketball have developed an ego. There's only a select few that don't have one.

[tonight...you]

As Groucho said "I wouldn't be a member of any club that would have me."
You, but Chico said "If they'll just put a good two-iron, a golf bag, a pack of gin cards and a beautiful blonde in my coffin, they can send it anywhere they want. (http://www.workinghumor.com/quotes/chico_marx.shtml#)"


What does that have to do with anything? It's Chico Marx! There ain't no such thing as Santy Clause!

[BillMc]

You, but Chico said "If they'll just put a good two-iron, a golf bag, a pack of gin cards and a beautiful blonde in my coffin, they can send it anywhere they want. (http://www.workinghumor.com/quotes/chico_marx.shtml#)"


What does that have to do with anything? It's Chico Marx! There ain't no such thing as Santy Clause!

:lol Well said. :toast

[NASpurs]

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[tonight...you]

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Que bueno. I'd like to see the option (isn't there always an option?) for the 2nd year. Is it his, or the team's?