Official 2016 Spurs Offseason Thread

[Kikoluna]

Kevin Durant, Mike Conley. Don't lose focus

[tbdog]

A short video of Cady Lalanne. Shows his ability to rebound, block shots, shoot 3's, pass, drive, and low post moves.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUSzy89A2EQ

Shot 46% and blocked 1.3 a game. Not exactly ground breaking numbers either.

[palangi]

Not bad though either in 26 minutes either? I'm not saying he is a starter or an All star. But as a 4th or 5th big he could have some use.

[cjw]

I guarantee you all that Whiteside's agent isn't getting a call from the Spurs. Just stop already.

[SAGirl]

Keeping Simmons only costs $300k on the cap, so likely he's kept unless needed to help facilitate another deal or they're absolutely desperate for his space (if it's for KD or the like, you do it without thinking twice).

Don't forget that players can be added in trades so long as the Spurs don't bust through the cap in the trade. The FA pool may be shallow, but the FO is certainly putting out feelers on players on teams that are looking to shed bodies.



Bertans would likely be at the league minimum so the roster holds account for him.

Bertans already makes more than the minimum in EUrope. There were rumors of a 2 year 4 mill deal that's why I asked about him. I also still see Simmons in the team, unless he's part of a trade or they need his roster spot for someone else. He doesn't become guaranteed until 7/30 and he's showing up in SL. I think he's still being evaluated.

[cutewizard]

Can SIMMONS play defensive point????

[BatManu20]

Pau Gasol expected to join the San Antonio Spurs after leaving the Chicago Bulls (Photo: @swapcenter Instagram)


http://clutchpoints.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/13166962_128060030934583_1908030740_n.jpg

Just three days after announcing his participation on the Spanish National Basketball team (http://espn.go.com/olympics/story/_/id/16502784/pau-gasol-announces-play-spain-basketball-team-olympics) in the upcoming 2016 Olympics, Chicago power forward Pau Gasol opted out of his contract with the Bulls to become an unrestricted free agent as expected by most pundits around the league. Gasol will by 36 next week, yet his dynamic play and increased numbers provide an interesting free agency period for the two-time NBA champion.

Despite his growing age, Gasol has not only remained at an all-star caliber level during his two-year stint with the Chicago Bulls but also increased his efficiency and overall play. The six-time NBA all-star earned career-highs in both assists and rebounds per game during the 2015-16 season, and his free agent status will definitely entice good teams around the NBA who look to elevate to the championship level.

Gasol’s free agency thus far has remained relatively quiet in comparison to the other all-stars in the NBA free agency. Gasol is most likely expected to leave the Chicago organization, who is going through a major restructuring of their own after trading away 2010-11 MVP Derrick Rose as well as being in the process of losing 2014 defensive player of the year Joakim Noah to free agency. Instead, the Spanish four time All-NBA selection has been solely interested in the San Antonio Spurs (http://www.thescore.com/news/1017987), where Gasol can take a very important 6th man role for the championship-chasing Spurs.

Gasol’s move to the five-time NBA champions is not completely finalized, however. San Antonio also remains deeply in the hunt for superstar forward Kevin Durant, as the Western Conference heavyweight were one of three teams to get the first round of face-to-face meetings with the 2013-14 regular season MVP. While Gasol seems to be a lock for the Spurs, the capturing of KD could provide a wrench for Gasol’s San Antonio relocation.

All things being the same, nonetheless, Pau Gasol seems tobe fairly certain of his move to the Spurs, according to his younger brother and star center for the Memphis Grizzlies Marc Gasol (http://www.thescore.com/news/1015392). Marc Gasol went on to further say that, “If I had to guess – not that I’ve talked to him about it – would be San Antonio.”
What Gasol’s likely departure from the Chicago Bulls indicates for the changing Bulls roster will remain to be seen. Although Gasol played a significant role in the Bulls offense, averaging 16.5 points per game and 4.1 assists per game, the restructuring Bulls seemed subtly ready for Gasol’s exit, while shifting the Bulls focus to superstar guard Jimmy Butler and head coach Fred Hoidberg’s true offensive technique.

With more mediocre role players gaining max contract salaries in recent free agency frenzies, the Spanish forward’s contract situation interests pundits throughout the league, as many expect Gasol to take a lower salary in order to play for a championship level organization. Gasol should be expected to make his decision soon, and Gasol’s addition to any good squad could prove to be one of the bigger offseason pickups this summer.

[SAGirl]

Correct me if I am wrong but our roster is looking crowded.

Pau (or Tim, not both)/Boban/Milutinov
LMA/Diaw/LJC
Kawhi/Anderson/Bertans
Danny/Manu/Simmons
Tony/Mills/Murray

That's a full roster. It includes Tim and Manu and all the rookies who are projected or rumored to be added. Good sign for those who want Bonner retired bc they can't spare a spot for him. I think they spared him last season but now there are no roster spots. An addition of any FA means one of the big 2 is retiring or one of these rookies is cut or stay stashed (it could only happen with Milutinov and he has to agree to stay stashed. It's a huge risk bc big men are in high demand and if he shows signs that he can play with a bit of development his agent might just wait this out and push to be signed later outside the rookie scale contract. Milutinov has choices).

[objective]

Can SIMMONS play defensive point????

If the other team doesn't set picks, then probably yes.

Maybe he'll improve on that this off season. He sure seemed to get hung up on them pretty hard.

[r0drig0lac]

Kevin Durant. Don't lose focus

[tbdog]

Can SIMMONS play defensive point????

I don't think he has ever played pg. He has a decent size for a sg, and in minor competition, I assumed he played sg. In saying that, he dribble is far to high to a competent pg. He 'may' but unlikely, be able to run a half court offense, but with some back court pressure he will struggle at an NBA level.

[SpursFan86]

Pau Gasol expected to join the San Antonio Spurs after leaving the Chicago Bulls (Photo: @swapcenter Instagram)


http://clutchpoints.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/13166962_128060030934583_1908030740_n.jpg

Just three days after announcing his participation on the Spanish National Basketball team (http://espn.go.com/olympics/story/_/id/16502784/pau-gasol-announces-play-spain-basketball-team-olympics) in the upcoming 2016 Olympics, Chicago power forward Pau Gasol opted out of his contract with the Bulls to become an unrestricted free agent as expected by most pundits around the league. Gasol will by 36 next week, yet his dynamic play and increased numbers provide an interesting free agency period for the two-time NBA champion.

Despite his growing age, Gasol has not only remained at an all-star caliber level during his two-year stint with the Chicago Bulls but also increased his efficiency and overall play. The six-time NBA all-star earned career-highs in both assists and rebounds per game during the 2015-16 season, and his free agent status will definitely entice good teams around the NBA who look to elevate to the championship level.

Gasol’s free agency thus far has remained relatively quiet in comparison to the other all-stars in the NBA free agency. Gasol is most likely expected to leave the Chicago organization, who is going through a major restructuring of their own after trading away 2010-11 MVP Derrick Rose as well as being in the process of losing 2014 defensive player of the year Joakim Noah to free agency. Instead, the Spanish four time All-NBA selection has been solely interested in the San Antonio Spurs (http://www.thescore.com/news/1017987), where Gasol can take a very important 6th man role for the championship-chasing Spurs.

Gasol’s move to the five-time NBA champions is not completely finalized, however. San Antonio also remains deeply in the hunt for superstar forward Kevin Durant, as the Western Conference heavyweight were one of three teams to get the first round of face-to-face meetings with the 2013-14 regular season MVP. While Gasol seems to be a lock for the Spurs, the capturing of KD could provide a wrench for Gasol’s San Antonio relocation.

All things being the same, nonetheless, Pau Gasol seems tobe fairly certain of his move to the Spurs, according to his younger brother and star center for the Memphis Grizzlies Marc Gasol (http://www.thescore.com/news/1015392). Marc Gasol went on to further say that, “If I had to guess – not that I’ve talked to him about it – would be San Antonio.”
What Gasol’s likely departure from the Chicago Bulls indicates for the changing Bulls roster will remain to be seen. Although Gasol played a significant role in the Bulls offense, averaging 16.5 points per game and 4.1 assists per game, the restructuring Bulls seemed subtly ready for Gasol’s exit, while shifting the Bulls focus to superstar guard Jimmy Butler and head coach Fred Hoidberg’s true offensive technique.

With more mediocre role players gaining max contract salaries in recent free agency frenzies, the Spanish forward’s contract situation interests pundits throughout the league, as many expect Gasol to take a lower salary in order to play for a championship level organization. Gasol should be expected to make his decision soon, and Gasol’s addition to any good squad could prove to be one of the bigger offseason pickups this summer.

Gasol could very well be coming here, but I think that article is bullshit. Seems like it's really just using Marc's quote from a while back as evidence that he's coming to SA.

[raybies]

While I question the article cause it seems based off of assumptions, I do think signing Pau to a nice deal for one year so that way we can keep financial flexibility for next off season would be a good fallback plan if we miss out on Durant.

[SpursFan86]

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Wonder what the market will be for him.

[NameLess Scrub]

747789583908216832

Wonder what the market will be for him.

Beat me to it.

[Robz4000]

747789583908216832

Wonder what the market will be for him.

If it's for the minimum, why not?

[ceperez]

Correct me if I am wrong but our roster is looking crowded.

Pau (or Tim, not both)/Boban/Milutinov
LMA/Diaw/LJC
Kawhi/Anderson/Bertans
Danny/Manu/Simmons
Tony/Mills/Murray

That's a full roster. It includes Tim and Manu and all the rookies who are projected or rumored to be added. Good sign for those who want Bonner retired bc they can't spare a spot for him. I think they spared him last season but now there are no roster spots. An addition of any FA means one of the big 2 is retiring or one of these rookies is cut or stay stashed (it could only happen with Milutinov and he has to agree to stay stashed. It's a huge risk bc big men are in high demand and if he shows signs that he can play with a bit of development his agent might just wait this out and push to be signed later outside the rookie scale contract. Milutinov has choices).

I thought Multinov had signed a 3 year contract in Europe when he was drafted. I don't think he'll be in the incoming roster.

Yes, even despite that, it looks like Spurs don't have room unless the unload players.

Pau/Tim/Boban
LMA/Diaw/LJC
Kawhi/Anderson/Bertans
Danny/Manu/Simmons
Tony/Mills/Murray

I seriously doubt that Spurs can persuade Durant to come over. OKC and GSW are in the lead in that horse race.

LJC is going to be a problem because despite being cheap and athletic, I just can't see him being close to ready for the NBA game.

Also, is Bertans really joining the team this year or is it still one more year off?

The real concern is that Spurs need to win now, unfortunately they need an all-star scorer to play with Leonard and Aldridge.

[ceperez]

I don't think he has ever played pg. He has a decent size for a sg, and in minor competition, I assumed he played sg. In saying that, he dribble is far to high to a competent pg. He 'may' but unlikely, be able to run a half court offense, but with some back court pressure he will struggle at an NBA level.

Outside of Parker, the only two other players that can play point are Manu and Anderson!

Spurs need a quality PG that can defend. I don't know where they can find that player.

[raybies]

I thought Multinov had signed a 3 year contract in Europe when he was drafted. I don't think he'll be in the incoming roster.

Yes, even despite that, it looks like Spurs don't have room unless the unload players.

Pau/Tim/Boban
LMA/Diaw/LJC
Kawhi/Anderson/Bertans
Danny/Manu/Simmons
Tony/Mills/Murray

I seriously doubt that Spurs can persuade Durant to come over. OKC and GSW are in the lead in that horse race.

LJC is going to be a problem because despite being cheap and athletic, I just can't see him being close to ready for the NBA game.

Also, is Bertans really joining the team this year or is it still one more year off?

The real concern is that Spurs need to win now, unfortunately they need an all-star scorer to play with Leonard and Aldridge.

I definitely do no like that center rotation. Very flawed. Can Pau roll? I've always thought of him as a pop guy. If he can roll that might work. But I'd much rather see a more mobile Milutinov make the team than Boban. Already have the size with Pau and Tim should he come back for one more, so don't need another slow big albeit size. I think holding onto boban and trying to extract some kind of pick with a sign and trade would be best in this scenario.

[Knoxxx]

Lance Stephenson declined option by Memphis. For some reason not letting me cut paste the Bleacher Report link.

[raybies]

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Watching this! Best show.

[venitian navigator]

Outside of Parker, the only two other players that can play point are Manu and Anderson!

Spurs need a quality PG that can defend. I don't know where they can find that player.

and, now, Murray...I like the idea of Anderson starting as the main pg(option possible, imho, wuth two very good and young defending wings like Green and KA), but we all have to remember that Parker started in his first year at 19 year old age surpassing, after just 4 games, Daniels for a place in the starting five...

[TheDoctor]

Gasol could very well be coming here, but I think that article is bullshit. Seems like it's really just using Marc's quote from a while back as evidence that he's coming to SA.

I felt the same about it.

[NASpurs]

I'm not feeling too positive about this free agency window. The free agent class for the most part is horrible, serviceable players are going to cost an arm and a leg and the chances of Durant coming here is low. On top of that, the Spurs have so-so cap space and sure they can do some crazy cap gymnastics to get a max slot but that slot should only be for Durant. It doesn't help that a lot of the same dead weight is probably still going to be on the team. Feels a little deflating if you put all of these things together.

[look_at_g_shred]

I'm not feeling too positive about this free agency window. The free agent class for the most part is horrible, serviceable players are going to cost an arm and a leg and the chances of Durant coming here is low. On top of that, the Spurs have so-so cap space and sure they can do some crazy cap gymnastics to get a max slot but that slot should only be for Durant. It doesn't help that a lot of the same dead weight is probably still going to be on the team. Feels a little deflating if you put all of these things together.
idk man it feels like RC has a plan in place.

[Spur|n|Austin]

idk man it feels like RC has a plan in place.

JW what makes you say that?

[NASpurs]

http://sircharlesincharge.com/2016/06/28/nba-rumors-san-antonio-spurs-will-make-pau-gasol-a-priority/

NBA Rumors: San Antonio Spurs Will Make Pau Gasol A ‘Priority’

...

One of the veteran names that the San Antonio Spurs will reportedly make a priority is Pau Gasol, whom the Spurs pursued a couple years ago in free agency before he ultimately signed with the Chicago Bulls.

...




[via The Vertical Podcast]

Adrian Wojnarowski: I’m told that Pau Gasol is a real priority for them.They tried to get him before he signed with Chicago.

[duncan2150]

Imo to land Gasol will be the best moove for the Spurs, He's a good offensive player, can reboud, a very good passer for a big... he's a little bit slow and old but i like him

Gasol or Conley have to be the priorities for the Spurs

[BillMc]

http://sircharlesincharge.com/2016/06/28/nba-rumors-san-antonio-spurs-will-make-pau-gasol-a-priority/

NBA Rumors: San Antonio Spurs Will Make Pau Gasol A ‘Priority’

...

One of the veteran names that the San Antonio Spurs will reportedly make a priority is Pau Gasol, whom the Spurs pursued a couple years ago in free agency before he ultimately signed with the Chicago Bulls.

...

Thanks for posting.

The vid from this article:


http://www.120sports.com/video/v186573820/spurs-need-pau-not-kd

Not sure I agree with Duncan only be a "slightly better defender" than Pau (I'd say worlds better), but, hey I can still enjoy looking at the blonde.

[SpursFan86]

http://sircharlesincharge.com/2016/06/28/nba-rumors-san-antonio-spurs-will-make-pau-gasol-a-priority/

NBA Rumors: San Antonio Spurs Will Make Pau Gasol A ‘Priority’

...

One of the veteran names that the San Antonio Spurs will reportedly make a priority is Pau Gasol, whom the Spurs pursued a couple years ago in free agency before he ultimately signed with the Chicago Bulls.

...

Now this might be a little more substantial than the previously linked article.

Whether the Gasol signing would be good or not depends entirely on the contract. While I don't think he's the best fit (I think we need a more mobile big, especially if we plan on bringing back Boban to be the bench 5), it's hard to get mad at the signing if he ends up taking a noticeable discount compared to what he could get elsewhere.

That article makes it seem like we'd be trying to play him as a 6th man. I don't know how I'd feel about going after him if Duncan comes back, and I'm not sure he'd be willing to come off the bench either. In the case that we get Pau and Duncan returns, I think Duncan coming off the bench would probably make a bit more sense.

[RD2191]

Fuckkkkkk pau.

[td4mvp2k]

Imo to land Gasol will be the best moove for the Spurs, He's a good offensive player, can reboud, a very good passer for a big... he's a little bit slow and old but i like him

Gasol or Conley have to be the priorities for the Spurs

this. with durant bein the cherry tbh

[NASpurs]

http://projectspurs.com/2016-articles/latest-from-wojnarowski-on-gasol-duncan-ginobili-west.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=latest-from-wojnarowski-on-gasol-duncan-ginobili-west

LATEST FROM WOJNAROWSKI ON GASOL, DUNCAN, GINOBILI & WEST (http://projectspurs.com/2016-articles/latest-from-wojnarowski-on-gasol-duncan-ginobili-west.html)


Tuesday morning, Chris Mannix of the Vertical had his colleague Adrian Wojnarowski on his podcast, where the two discussed a number of NBA teams that are preparing for free agency this Friday, July 1.

When the discussion (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/vertical-pod-with-chris-mannix--adrian-wojnarowski---frank-vogel-144313211.html) came toward the San Antonio Spurs, Wojnarowski gave an update on what he’s been hearing regarding the Spurs’ pursuit of free agent Pau Gasol, and three of the Spurs’ own free agents – Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili and David West.

Woj on Spurs’ interest in Gasol: “I’m told that Pau Gasol’s a real priority for them. They tried to get him before he signed with Chicago. The Bulls were able to offer him a little bit more than the mid-level that year, I think the Spurs had a mid-level for him. They can maneuver in San Antonio and probably be able to offer him a market value, we’ll see what that’s going to be.”

At age 35 this past season, Gasol remained a key piece for the Chicago Bulls. He was the team’s second leading scorer with 16.5 points, first in rebounds (11.0 rebounds per game) and third in assists (4.1 assists per game), while still being able to log 31.8 minutes per game, while remaining durable in playing in 72 of the team’s 82 games.

Gasol had a win shares statistic of 7.1 win shares, which could mean his market value could range from $6-10 million, but with the salary cap about to jump to $94 million in July, it remains to be seen what his new market value will be in this market, and whether the Spurs would want to offer a deal at that new level.

Woj on Duncan and Ginobili: “Tim Duncan’s future is still uncertain. Tim Duncan’s date is coming up here soon (Wednesday), where he’s going to either opt into his deal into the final year – now he can opt into the deal, get his money and still decide to retire, and then the Spurs could pay him almost as a going away. But I don’t know that you’re going to have a answer on Tim Duncan’s future before the start of free agency. He’s as liable to walk into Pop’s office any day and say ‘hey, I’m playing, or I’m not playing.’ He’ll call R.C. Buford in, ‘hey ok,’ let’s call his agent Tim Tanner and that’s it, or this may linger. I think there’s some different scenarios in play for Tim about well, maybe you could play a certain amount of games and I think there’s a strong belief that Manu Ginobili is probably going to play another year. He’s not tying himself to Tim on what Tim does. It’s not like ‘hey, we’re going to go out together.’ I think Manu feels, if he feels like he has more in him, I think he’s going to play.”

Last week Ginobili opted out of his player option that would have paid him $2.9 million this coming season, but now he’s an unrestricted free agent, where he can decide whether to re-sign at a later date or retire. Duncan has a player option for $5.6 million that he either has to opt into or out of by Wednesday, June 29. Should Duncan opt out, it could be a situation like Ginobili, where he can re-sign at a later date or choose to retire.

Woj on West: “And then David West, going into this year, people around David West said this was going to be his last year and I remember talking to him in the preseason about that in going down to San Antonio and he thought, like, ‘could be.’ And I think now he enjoyed that year so much in San Antonio, he’s a free agent – of course they’d want to keep him. I’ll say this about David West – whenever he decides to retire, he will be the most sought after front office executive in the league. Everybody in the league wants to get David West in their front office. He’s going to be a GM someday, if that’s what he wants to do, but boy, I know like it will be hard to pluck him out, once he’s gotten into San Antonio, I would be shocked if he doesn’t have the opportunity to get in their front office, but I know other organizations would love to get him. The league office, David West – he’s everything you want in a player, a leader, a great thinker, a high character guy, and the Spurs loved having him and they really hope he plays another year.”

West also opted out of his player option last week that would have paid him $1.5 million to return to the Spurs this coming season. He now has three choices – re-sign with San Antonio, sign elsewhere, or retire.

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

Whether the Gasol signing would be good or not depends entirely on the contract. While I don't think he's the best fit (I think we need a more mobile big, especially if we plan on bringing back Boban to be the bench 5), it's hard to get mad at the signing if he ends up taking a noticeable discount compared to what he could get elsewhere.


Our plan should be try for KD but quickly move on to Gasol if KD doesn't seem very interested. A 2 year deal is most likely what will happen and at a cheaper rate then what he got in CHI. Tim and Pau splitting time at C is a much bigger upgrade then most people think.

Next year is when we should go all out for another big star and/or attempt to get our Mobil defensive big. Nerlens Noel right away would be my top target at center if he Stays a 6er. With how many top picks they have spent on bigs and Philly attempts at trading him, I don't see them offers for him. After that are the unlikely targets of Gobert, Ibaka, and Dieng but u never know. I would hope Magic got Ibaka to agree to extend before trading for him.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Thanks for that update NASpurs

[SAGirl]

I don't think he has ever played pg. He has a decent size for a sg, and in minor competition, I assumed he played sg. In saying that, he dribble is far to high to a competent pg. He 'may' but unlikely, be able to run a half court offense, but with some back court pressure he will struggle at an NBA level.
A good assessment.

[SAGirl]

I'm not feeling too positive about this free agency window. The free agent class for the most part is horrible, serviceable players are going to cost an arm and a leg and the chances of Durant coming here is low. On top of that, the Spurs have so-so cap space and sure they can do some crazy cap gymnastics to get a max slot but that slot should only be for Durant. It doesn't help that a lot of the same dead weight is probably still going to be on the team. Feels a little deflating if you put all of these things together.
I am starting to not be so sure about Timmy and Manu returning quite frankly. All these rookies coming over sign majors retooling for cheap. But I am right there with you that there are only a couple of difference makers, the rest are role players that will seem overpaid in comparison to the current roster.

[sasaint]

http://sircharlesincharge.com/2016/06/28/nba-rumors-san-antonio-spurs-will-make-pau-gasol-a-priority/

NBA Rumors: San Antonio Spurs Will Make Pau Gasol A ‘Priority’

...

One of the veteran names that the San Antonio Spurs will reportedly make a priority is Pau Gasol, whom the Spurs pursued a couple years ago in free agency before he ultimately signed with the Chicago Bulls.

...

Instead Pau went to a Bulls team that cratered around him instead of coming to the Spurs which might have won a championship with him in the rotation this season. Screwed us both.

[SAGirl]

Now this might be a little more substantial than the previously linked article.

Whether the Gasol signing would be good or not depends entirely on the contract. While I don't think he's the best fit (I think we need a more mobile big, especially if we plan on bringing back Boban to be the bench 5), it's hard to get mad at the signing if he ends up taking a noticeable discount compared to what he could get elsewhere.

That article makes it seem like we'd be trying to play him as a 6th man. I don't know how I'd feel about going after him if Duncan comes back, and I'm not sure he'd be willing to come off the bench either. In the case that we get Pau and Duncan returns, I think Duncan coming off the bench would probably make a bit more sense.
TD at this point is a defensive player, a bench that struggled scoring in th league playoffs is not a good fit for TD. Frankly I had pictured Boban as a bench scorer. If he can be fed the ball, Boban will score, get fouled and he can pass. Paul is just a much superior version of my idea. TD defensive acumen is best for the starters.

[RD2191]

Pau doesn't deserve to sign with the Spurs. He had his chance and picked a shitty ass Bulls team over us. Fuck him.

[Chinook]

Instead Pau went to a Bulls team that cratered around him instead of coming to the Spurs which might have won a championship with him in the rotation this season. Screwed us both.

I mean, they probably wouldn't have LMA this season with Pau, so you don't have to worry about missing out.

[monkeypunk]

Pau doesn't deserve to sign with the Spurs. He had his chance and picked a shitty ass Bulls team over us. Fuck him.

You are just a terrible, terrible poster.

[RD2191]

You are just a terrible, terrible poster.
Let's hear your hot take on this, superposter.

[8FOR!3]

Not upset if we go after Pau. I'm not convinced it puts us over the top, but maybe the younger guys step up this year. Patty Mills and Danny Green were disappointments last year, let's see if they come out playing better this year. Kyle Anderson's also a year older, so I expect a better bench as well as a team that can shoot the ball better.

[TimDunkem]

Kyle Anderson will be a half-decent player one day but he's holding this team back right now. We need a productive player to take his minutes.

[sasaint]

I mean, they probably wouldn't have LMA this season with Pau, so you don't have to worry about missing out.

I'm sure that's true. More's the pity. A rotation of Tim/Pau/LMA would have been pretty sweet last season. We sure missed Tim after his knee went.

[loveforthegame]

Interesting that Woj says that Manu's decision isn't tied to Duncan's. I thought they'd either go out together or keep playing.

Gasol would be a welcomed addition. So long as they find another young gun for the bench.

[Kikoluna]

All this nonsense, our only goal is durant. 8 years ago, pau singing would be huge. At 35......neh

[Dex]

Not sure if this was posted already but didn't see it skimming the thread:

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[DPG21920]

A few notes:

O I cannot believe Manu playing for his national team then wanting to play for SA again at his age. The National Team was a source of some contention during his prime and put a lot of mileage. Good news is he opted out and will likely have to take close to minimum to come back which is fair since he is choosing to put mileage on his body with his NT at this age. He's also great value at the min & maybe he knows he can play with the NT if he's only going to be a 15MPG player now.

O Tim is opting out. Surprised Woj didn't touch on this. He went the opposite (and less likely route) that Tim opts in to get his money then retires. That would not make much sense IMO and is not like Tim. I think the opposite is more true. He opts out to give the Spurs flexibility. That doesn't mean he retires as he could wait to see what happens in FA and then either take less if SA lands Free Agents or take more/the same if SA whiffs and has money to spend on him/West. I can't imagine Tim tying up money (although no one should fault him for that) while he's unsure. I think he may give SA the freedom and then decide on what to do. We will see.

O Pau would be a good fit. While he's not as good of a defender as Tim was, he does bring post defense which is what Tim brought. Tim was flat out terrible defensively on the perimeter last year and while Pau has always been bad there, he at least brings a level of post defense. With Tim hobbled in the playoffs, SA still had an elite defense and I think Pau is just as good in the post on defense as a hobbled Tim was. Then on offense, instead of defenses sagging off of Tim and daring him to shoot and he could not, Pau would absolutely punish those things. Plus with his great passing, he would fit in wonderfully here and definitely raise the team's ceiling over a hobbled Tim for sure. Especially the offense.

Sure, SA could use other types of bigs maybe more, but I think Pau would be tremendous in the system and really fit well with LMA.

O People shouldn't worry about cap space. Especially if Tim opts out (which I find likely), SA without the help of any other team can get to 15M+ in cap space no problem. What I'm interested in besides Tim (because his contract optin in/out + retirement decision which don't necessarily go hand-in-hand) is Boris.

If Tim opts out, does SA waive Boris??? That would give the Spurs solid cap space without doing any trades if they did, but by all accounts SA seems to want to keep Boris.

[RD2191]

Is it KD or bust? Would it even be worth signing Conley/ Gasol if we miss out on KD? Waste of money imo.

[coachmac87]

Spurs will get KD locked in and sign Pau with the MLE

[HankChinaski]

I like what the spurs have done so far with the draft, summer league invites and potential over seas signing of previous draft picks and nice footing with cap space for a free agent or two. Team will look younger and more athletic yet it won't be a complete over haul

[tonight...you]

Is it KD or bust? Would it even be worth signing Conley/ Gasol if we miss out on KD? Waste of money imo.
To you, what wouldn't be a waste of money?

[TD 21]

O Pau would be a good fit. While he's not as good of a defender as Tim was, he does bring post defense which is what Tim brought. Tim was flat out terrible defensively on the perimeter last year and while Pau has always been bad there, he at least brings a level of post defense. With Tim hobbled in the playoffs, SA still had an elite defense and I think Pau is just as good in the post on defense as a hobbled Tim was. Then on offense, instead of defenses sagging off of Tim and daring him to shoot and he could not, Pau would absolutely punish those things. Plus with his great passing, he would fit in wonderfully here and definitely raise the team's ceiling over a hobbled Tim for sure. Especially the offense.

Sure, SA could use other types of bigs maybe more, but I think Pau would be tremendous in the system and really fit well with LMA.

Duncan is a superior post defender because of his superior base strength and a superior overall rim protector. Not that post defense is really a concern or that the defense would fall off a cliff, but they'd absolutely be worse going from Duncan to Gasol.

That's basically my thoughts on Gasol, too. Ideally, he's not really what they need, but they can't really get what they need and even at 36, he's more talented than any of the other options.

It's similar to West last off season. He wasn't really a fit, but at the minimum and to be the fourth big, they couldn't have possibly gotten a better player.

[SpursforSix]

Is it KD or bust? Would it even be worth signing Conley/ Gasol if we miss out on KD? Waste of money imo.

Let me break it down for you Rob. If Durant stays with OKC, then these signings probably keep the Spurs in contention. If he goes to GSW, these signings (particularly Conley) are going to be albatrosses for the coming years.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Spurs will get KD locked in and sign Pau with the MLE

Man that'd be perfect

[DPG21920]

Is it KD or bust? Would it even be worth signing Conley/ Gasol if we miss out on KD? Waste of money imo.

Not at all IMO. I wouldn't want Conley at max but Gasol would not cost nearly as much and would definitely help (Pau, IMO, would at worst get a 4-40M contract which is the high end IMO).

But there are plenty of players that can help SA this year & not be "max" players and SA should add talent this year as long as the player is not crazy expensive (Pau), younger (many players) and talented (plenty of players). Look at this list:

Batum
Lin
Courtney Lee
Marvin Williams
Gasol
Deron Williams
Festus
Terence Jones
Brandon Bass
Birdman
Matt Barnes
Eric Gordon
Afflalo
Brandon Jennings
Mirza
Allen Crabbe
Bismack
Dudley

Obviously some are older and might want too much money (Deron Williams, etc..) or might not take bench roles or have flaws/concerns (Eric Gordon), but there should be some guys out there outside of KD that can help the team win now (Pau, etc) that might not cause you to break the bank especially as the cap keeps growing next year too.

[RD2191]

Let me break it down for you Rob. If Durant stays with OKC, then these signings probably keep the Spurs in contention. If he goes to GSW, these signings (particularly Conley) are going to be albatrosses for the coming years.

Fuck contention. If it doesn't put us over the top then it's a meaningless signing. You wanna be Hawks West now? Fuck that.

[RD2191]

To you, what wouldn't be a waste of money?

Chicken strips from whataburger for one.

[SAGirl]

A few notes:

O I cannot believe Manu playing for his national team then wanting to play for SA again at his age. The National Team was a source of some contention during his prime and put a lot of mileage. Good news is he opted out and will likely have to take close to minimum to come back which is fair since he is choosing to put mileage on his body with his NT at this age. He's also great value at the min & maybe he knows he can play with the NT if he's only going to be a 15MPG player now.

O Tim is opting out. Surprised Woj didn't touch on this. He went the opposite (and less likely route) that Tim opts in to get his money then retires. That would not make much sense IMO and is not like Tim. I think the opposite is more true. He opts out to give the Spurs flexibility. That doesn't mean he retires as he could wait to see what happens in FA and then either take less if SA lands Free Agents or take more/the same if SA whiffs and has money to spend on him/West. I can't imagine Tim tying up money (although no one should fault him for that) while he's unsure. I think he may give SA the freedom and then decide on what to do. We will see.

O Pau would be a good fit. While he's not as good of a defender as Tim was, he does bring post defense which is what Tim brought. Tim was flat out terrible defensively on the perimeter last year and while Pau has always been bad there, he at least brings a level of post defense. With Tim hobbled in the playoffs, SA still had an elite defense and I think Pau is just as good in the post on defense as a hobbled Tim was. Then on offense, instead of defenses sagging off of Tim and daring him to shoot and he could not, Pau would absolutely punish those things. Plus with his great passing, he would fit in wonderfully here and definitely raise the team's ceiling over a hobbled Tim for sure. Especially the offense.

Sure, SA could use other types of bigs maybe more, but I think Pau would be tremendous in the system and really fit well with LMA.

O People shouldn't worry about cap space. Especially if Tim opts out (which I find likely), SA without the help of any other team can get to 15M+ in cap space no problem. What I'm interested in besides Tim (because his contract optin in/out + retirement decision which don't necessarily go hand-in-hand) is Boris.

If Tim opts out, does SA waive Boris??? That would give the Spurs solid cap space without doing any trades if they did, but by all accounts SA seems to want to keep Boris.
Very good and interesting points.
I have a theory on Boris. Unless there's a Durant scenario he will be back bc we are retooling with a lot of youngsters. The idea is that he will still have his role, but take steps back at times to defer to others and help other young big men. (LJC admires him). He's there to also help out Anderson, who figures to have a similar (but not exactly the same) playmaking role. Like all youngsters with more in their plate, Anderson might be uneven early and need help as he develops. This is probably the season they start to put more in his plate and see how he handles it but Pop's not going to want to throw him out there with an entire cast of rookies. Boris is that vet that will settle young guys out. That's why they want him still in the team.

[DPG21920]

Duncan is a superior post defender because of his superior base strength and a superior overall rim protector. Not that post defense is really a concern or that the defense would fall off a cliff, but they'd absolutely be worse going from Duncan to Gasol.

That's basically my thoughts on Gasol, too. Ideally, he's not really what they need, but they can't really get what they need and even at 36, he's more talented than any of the other options.

It's similar to West last off season. He wasn't really a fit, but at the minimum and to be the fourth big, they couldn't have possibly gotten a better player.

I think Pau is a great fit on offense: he can play in the post which SA likes to have options there as well as take the same space Tim was on screen & pops and actually hit those shots while making the same passes that Tim was so great at. I agree and said Tim was superior on defense in the post, but hobbled Tim? He was not great as he got injured and SA's defense still remained elite. I think healthy Pau is good enough in the post to offset what hobbled Tim gave in the post is what I was saying. Both sucked on the perimeter so nothing gained/lost there.

[FvckMavs]

Man that'd be perfect

We don't have MLE if we use the space to sign KD. It is unlikely but if Pau can sign for room mid-level(we can promise to give him more money next year when the cap goes up further), maybe KD will find this intriguing:

TD/Gasol
LA/West
Durant/Green
KL/Manu
TP/Murray

[SpursFan86]

Not sure if this was posted already but didn't see it skimming the thread:

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Not surprising. I mean, it's not like Conley is some old 35 year old veteran. He's only 28...I'm sure he wants to go somewhere he can start and play 30+ mpg.

I don't think picking up Conley makes sense unless we get rid of Parker, and that's not happening.

[DPG21920]

Very good and interesting points.
I have a theory on Boris. Unless there's a Durant scenario he will be back bc we are retooling with a lot of youngsters. The idea is that he will still have his role, but take steps back at times to defer to others and help other young big men. (LJC admires him). He's there to also help out Anderson, who figures to have a similar (but not exactly the same) playmaking role. Like all youngsters with more in their plate, Anderson might be uneven early and need help as he develops. This is probably the season they start to put more in his plate and see how he handles it but Pop's not going to want to throw him out there with an entire cast of rookies. Boris is that vet that will settle young guys out. That's why they want him still in the team.

Definitely makes sense - however, even outside of KD, with Tim/West/Manu opting out, waiving/stretching Boris is the fastest and easiest way to get cap space which is a tough wrinkle.

[SpursforSix]

Fuck contention. If it doesn't put us over the top then it's a meaningless signing. You wanna be Hawks West now? Fuck that.

Durant isn't coming to SA. So get that out of your head. And there's no one out there other than Durant that would make the Spurs a favorite over GSW.

If Durant stays in OKC, then the Spurs have a good chance at a ring with Pau and Conley.
If he goes to GSW, then the Spurs might need to not spend any money and wait until next off season.

[DPG21920]

We don't have MLE if we use the space to sign KD. It is unlikely but if Pau can sign for room mid-level(we can promise to give him more money next year when the cap goes up further), maybe KD will find this intriguing:

TD/Gasol
LA/West
Durant/Green
KL/Manu
TP/Murray

I think we've already seen Pau is mostly about the money. He did opt out from LA to take less in CHI, but that is because he thought CHI had a chance to win/go to playoffs. There are plenty of "playoff" teams for Pau to choose from this year it seems and he will likely go to the highest bidder again.

[Killakobe81]

http://sircharlesincharge.com/2016/06/28/nba-rumors-san-antonio-spurs-will-make-pau-gasol-a-priority/

NBA Rumors: San Antonio Spurs Will Make Pau Gasol A ‘Priority’

...

One of the veteran names that the San Antonio Spurs will reportedly make a priority is Pau Gasol, whom the Spurs pursued a couple years ago in free agency before he ultimately signed with the Chicago Bulls.

...

I love Pau but the fellatio he will be served by Spur fan will be annoying ....
good team-mate, better player.
But you better keep Tony away from his woman ... he cannot play well under relationship stress ...

[TD 21]

I think Pau is a great fit on offense: he can play in the post which SA likes to have options there as well as take the same space Tim was on screen & pops and actually hit those shots while making the same passes that Tim was so great at. I agree and said Tim was superior on defense in the post, but hobbled Tim? He was not great as he got injured and SA's defense still remained elite. I think healthy Pau is good enough in the post to offset what hobbled Tim gave in the post is what I was saying. Both sucked on the perimeter so nothing gained/lost there.

In the 9 game stretch Duncan missed mid season, the Spurs' defense showed serious signs of regression.

Gasol has the skill and IQ and is still just able bodied enough (though his ability to finish at the rim has fallen off the past two seasons) to make it work offensively with Aldridge, but he's going to have to accept being a role player.

I would think he'd know that coming in and is at the point where he'd now accept that, but he does have a big ego.

[DPG21920]

Fuck contention. If it doesn't put us over the top then it's a meaningless signing. You wanna be Hawks West now? Fuck that.

Spurs are already way better than Hawks - not really fair. Nothing guarantees anything; look at GS losing the title despite being solid favorites and breaking every record.

Spurs are right there and as long as it does not hamstring the Spurs for too long, I'm all for adding talent that can give SA a better chance of winning right now with a core of DG/LMA/Kawhi- that is a legit top core.

My personal preferences?

1. Land KD - very little chance, but of course that should be everyone's top priority.

2. Sign or trade for players who still have a solid 4-6 years left at least, even if it's slightly bigger deals: Batum, Bismack, Whiteside, etc..Keep in mind, cap space is not just about FA. You see many times teams trade for player no longer a fit & send little back because of cap space. A guy like Tyreke Evans for example would raise the talent level and have low risk short-term deals. Rubio is more risky but another example. Plus, with cap space (not likely scenario for SA since they don't have a ton of cap space and they want to win) you can take on salary and teams often give you picks to do so which can help moving forward. Lot's of options.

3. (And still a very solid options) - Just add some talent, regardless of age, that can raise the ceiling but hopefully keep them on 2-3 year deals (Pau, Matt Barnes, Deron Williams). Hopefully guys like Pau at least won't cost max, they will be 6-10M a year for 2-3 years vs a guy like Conley that is 20M+ for 4 years.

I would be happy with signing a guy like Pau for 3/24 (8M a year) + adding Bertans, then brining back Tim/Manu for the min and perhaps even signing someone like Matt Barnes/Brandon Jennings as well.

Starters:

Pau
LMA
Kawhi
Danny
TP

Tim
Boban
LJC
Bertans
Mills
Manu
Jennings
Barnes
Kyle
Simmons

Not a lot of upside, but still a damn good team that could still add pieces next season too.

[RD2191]

Spurs are already way better than Hawks - not really fair. Nothing guarantees anything; look at GS losing the title despite being solid favorites and breaking every record.

Spurs are right there and as long as it does not hamstring the Spurs for too long, I'm all for adding talent that can give SA a better chance of winning right now with a core of DG/LMA/Kawhi- that is a legit top core.

My personal preferences?

1. Land KD - very little chance, but of course that should be everyone's top priority.

2. Sign or trade for players who still have a solid 4-6 years left at least, even if it's slightly bigger deals: Batum, Bismack, Whiteside, etc..Keep in mind, cap space is not just about FA. You see many times teams trade for player no longer a fit & send little back because of cap space. A guy like Tyreke Evans for example would raise the talent level and have low risk short-term deals. Rubio is more risky but another example. Plus, with cap space (not likely scenario for SA since they don't have a ton of cap space and they want to win) you can take on salary and teams often give you picks to do so which can help moving forward. Lot's of options.

3. (And still a very solid options) - Just add some talent, regardless of age, that can raise the ceiling but hopefully keep them on 2-3 year deals (Pau, Matt Barnes, Deron Williams). Hopefully guys like Pau at least won't cost max, they will be 6-10M a year for 2-3 years vs a guy like Conley that is 20M+ for 4 years.

I would be happy with signing a guy like Pau for 3/24 (8M a year) + adding Bertans, then brining back Tim/Manu for the min and perhaps even signing someone like Matt Barnes/Brandon Jennings as well.

Starters:

Pau
LMA
Kawhi
Danny
TP

Tim
Boban
LJC
Bertans
Mills
Manu
Jennings
Barnes
Kyle
Simmons

Not a lot of upside, but still a damn good team that could still add pieces next season too.

Good points all around. Bismack sounds nice since he's still young. Batum would want to start wouldn't he?

[DPG21920]

Good points all around. Bismack sounds nice since he's still young. Batum would want to start wouldn't he?

I would imagine so for sure - might move Danny to the bench then. But Batum would be great for the bench IMO & also could play small ball with TP/Danny/Batum/Kawhi/LMA.

[raybies]

Of that list wouldn't mind Pau and Dudley.

[TD 21]

:lmao At the notion of Duncan coming off the bench. They'd never ask him to do that in perpetuity, not only for what he means to the franchise, but because players of his magnitude never move into bench roles.

[Kawhitstorm]

I would be happy with signing a guy like Pau for 3/24 (8M a year) + adding Bertans, then brining back Tim/Manu for the min and perhaps even signing someone like Matt Barnes/Brandon Jennings as well.

Barnes/Jennings/Lance & their peers won't be allowed in the Spurs locker.:lol

[DPG21920]

Also, one of the main reasons I'm not for standing pat or blowing it up despite SA's flaws is because things change so quickly.

Basically Spurs are by all measures a top 5 team. They have flaws and are probably ranked 4th or 5th in the contender zone, but every other team outside of the top 5 would kill to be in SA's spot.

All it takes is an injury or two (Curry's knee in the playoffs, CP3 injury, etc..) and things drastically change. It takes a lot to be in one of the top 5 contender spots and you should not take that lightly with how crazy the NBA gets.

[DPG21920]

:lmao At the notion of Duncan coming off the bench. They'd never ask him to do that in perpetuity, not only for what he means to the franchise, but because players of his magnitude never move into bench roles.

Don't get hung up on that. It might or might not happen and that's not the point everyone is really discussing now anyways.

[FvckMavs]

I think we've already seen Pau is mostly about the money. He did opt out from LA to take less in CHI, but that is because he thought CHI had a chance to win/go to playoffs. There are plenty of "playoff" teams for Pau to choose from this year it seems and he will likely go to the highest bidder again.

I also don't think Pau wants to take less money. But he has to take less if he really wants to play for a contender. GSW will not have much space left if they re-sign Barnes. Teams like Cavs and OKC can only give him MLE. If he signs with us for 3m this year, and 8-9m per year for two years in 2017, it is a better deal than MLE.

[HarlemHeat37]

I also don't think Pau wants to take less money. But he has to take less if he really wants to play for a contender. GSW will not have much space left if they re-sign Barnes. Teams like Cavs and OKC can only give him MLE. If he signs with us for 3m this year, and 8-9m per year for two years in 2017, it is a better deal than MLE.

Don't be surprised if he goes to a mid-tier team that can promise him more money and touches, tbh..Gasol has never been about sacrificing, he isn't Duncan or Nowitzki(he already has 2 rings as a major piece, too, so not like his career is missing something)

[TD 21]

Don't get hung up on that. It might or might not happen and that's not the point everyone is really discussing now anyways.

There's zero chance of it happening, just like there's zero chance of Gasol getting a 4 year contract. 2 years, $20-24M, will probably be what he gets.

[DPG21920]

Yup ^ I mean, I think SA has a legit shot at Pau, just don't think he's giving any discount and would not be surprised for some playoff cusp team throwing decent money at him and him choosing it.

If it was Marc, he might take the min since he loves SA so much :lol

[DPG21920]

There's zero chance of it happening, just like there's zero chance of Gasol getting a 4 year contract. 2 years, $20-24M, will probably be what he gets.

K.

[r0drig0lac]

If we can not sign Durant, I would really like Matt Barnes and Lance Stephenson

[gambit1990]

If we can not sign Durant, I would really like Matt Barnes and Lance Stephenson
:lmao

[SD126]

If we can not sign Durant, I would really like Matt Barnes and Lance Stephenson

If you love self-centered drama queens.

[Dex]

Fuck contention. If it doesn't put us over the top then it's a meaningless signing. You wanna be Hawks West now? Fuck that.

:rolleyes There isn't a move that any single team can make that will make them an absolute lock for the title.

If there is anything this year taught us, it's that no one team is guaranteed to win shit. Most people spent the entire season and playoffs handing the trophy to either the Warriors or the Spurs (with OKC being the one noted "dark horse"), and we saw how that worked out.

Hell, even when brought Miami together prime Lebron, Wade, and Bosh along with a slew of veteran role players, it took them two years to get their shit in gear and they still only ended up with 2 rings (which should have been one if not for Ray Allen bailing them out).

The best any team can do is put themselves in a reasonable position to go all the way, and this still requires health and a little luck.

[NASpurs]

I'm not going to make a thread for this so I'll stick this here.

http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-mavericks/mavericks/2016/06/28/mavericks-heading-south-border-next-season

The Mavericks will play a set of games in Mexico City in January with the San Antonio Spurs and Phoenix Suns.

Reports out of Mexico leaked the news and a source confirmed that the Mavericks will be involved in the international games.

The NBA has stressed global games for more than two decades, and the Mavericks have played internationally several times, including preseason games in Mexico City when Eduardo Najera was playing for them.

The NBA is expected to release its full schedule in late July or early August.

[cjw]

:rolleyes There isn't a move that any single team can make that will make them an absolute lock for the title.

If there is anything this year taught us, it's that no single team is guaranteed to win shit. Most people spent the entire season and playoffs handing the trophy to either the Warriors or the Spurs (with OKC being the one noted "dark horse"), and we saw how that worked out.

Hell, even when brought together prime Lebron, Wade, and Bosh along with a slew of veteran role players, it took them two years to get their shit in gear and they still only ended up with 2 rings (which should have been one if not for Ray Allen bailing them out).

The best any team can do is put themselves in a reasonable position to go all the way, and this still requires health and a little luck.

Durant to the Warriors without having to lose more than Barnes + Bogut (or Ezeli + Iggy, or whatever the case may be) is as close as it gets. Nothing guarantees them the title, but they'd be the odds on favorite.

[Hoops Czar]

:rolleyes There isn't a move that any single team can make that will make them an absolute lock for the title.

If there is anything this year taught us, it's that no single team is guaranteed to win shit. Most people spent the entire season and playoffs handing the trophy to either the Warriors or the Spurs (with OKC being the one noted "dark horse"), and we saw how that worked out.

Hell, even when brought together prime Lebron, Wade, and Bosh along with a slew of veteran role players, it took them two years to get their shit in gear and they still only ended up with 2 rings (which should have been one if not for Ray Allen bailing them out).

The best any team can do is put themselves in a reasonable position to go all the way, and this still requires health and a little luck.

Coming into the season, Golden State was favored to win the championship followed by Cleveland. I don't think it's ironic those two teams were in the NBA finals.

[Dex]

Durant to the Warriors without having to lose more than Barnes + Bogut (or Ezeli + Iggy, or whatever the case may be) is as close as it gets. Nothing guarantees them the title, but they'd be the odds on favorite.

Agreed, and I thought about noting them as an example. But I still don't see them bringing in Durant without gutting their depth and affecting their chemistry. Obviously would be a great team on paper, but there is a reason the games are still played.

[NASpurs]

Durant to the Warriors without having to lose more than Barnes + Bogut (or Ezeli + Iggy, or whatever the case may be) is as close as it gets. Nothing guarantees them the title, but they'd be the odds on favorite.

Have you seen what they have to do and give up to get that max slot? :lol

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/front-office-insider--kevin-durant-s-options-184021631.html

THE COMPETITORS IN THE WEST
Golden State Warriors
The loss in the NBA Finals has Warriors management pondering a shakeup.

Steph Curry, Klay Thompson and Draymond Green are likely untouchable, but the Warriors do have decisions to make on the value of cap space vs. their own free agents, and key rotational players Andre Iguodala and Andrew Bogut.

Golden State, currently with no cap space, would need to create room to land Durant.

When the Warriors meet with Durant, they will show him how room will be created and what the team will look like now and in the future.

The moves to fit Durant:

1. Renounce the unrestricted free-agent holds of Marreese Speights, Leandro Barbosa, Ian Clark, James McAdoo, Brandon Rush and Anderson Varejao.

2. Withdraw the qualifying offers and renounce the cap holds of Harrison Barnes and Festus Ezeli.

3. Trade Bogut’s contract to a team with cap space.

The moves would leave Golden State with $26.6 million in cap space to sign Durant to a max contract.

However, doing so would only leave the Warriors with the minimum and room mid-level ($2.9 million) to fill out their roster

[tonight...you]

Chicken strips from whataburger for one.
Never a wasted penny from that. Agreed. C'mon now though. For really reals on the real tip:
Who you liking in this free agency?

[RD2191]

Never a wasted penny from that. Agreed. C'mon now though. For really reals on the real tip:
Who you liking in this free agency?

Tbh I've been calling for a defensive/rebounding big man so I guess if I had to choose I'd go with Bismack.

[tonight...you]

Tbh I've been calling for a defensive/rebounding big man so I guess if I had to choose I'd go with Bismack.
This FA is so wack. Honestly. Bismack sucks. SA would be better off just punting this season and going in on '17. Just let Dunc and Manu ride off into the sunset and then kick Parker's ass to the curb next year.
Let them all go next year. Time to bury the Big 3. If the team encounters crazy luck this next year and players get injured on other teams. Great. Plan for next year anyways.

[SAGirl]

3. Trade Bogut’s contract to a team with cap space.

The moves would leave Golden State with $26.6 million in cap space to sign Durant to a max contract.

However, doing so would only leave the Warriors with the minimum and room mid-level ($2.9 million) to fill out their roster
Can we get Bogut from them?
Also we are probably about the same in terms of having to reduce our depth to the bare minimum.
Both teams can probably pick up some vet ring chasers like Lebron did for his teams.
We do have a lot of youth and a future as a team, which would explain Pop turning all rocks over.
OKC does have youth and future to offer too.

[noles1983]

This FA is so wack. Honestly. Bismack sucks. SA would be better off just punting this season and going in on '17. Just let Dunc and Manu ride off into the sunset and then kick Parker's ass to the curb next year.
Let them all go next year. Time to bury the Big 3. If the team encounters crazy luck this next year and players get injured on other teams. Great. Plan for next year anyways.

totally ok with this. seems like the only legit free agents we can land will be average and/or overrated. We are not getting Durant or Conley, fuck this next season. We will be the same team, can't wait until parker is gone. Gonna be like Christmas.

[spurtech09]

totally ok with this. seems like the only legit free agents we can land will be average and/or overrated. We are not getting Durant or Conley, fuck this next season. We will be the same team, can't wait until parker is gone. Gonna be like Christmas.this

[tonight...you]

totally ok with this. seems like the only legit free agents we can land will be average and/or overrated. We are not getting Durant or Conley, fuck this next season. We will be the same team, can't wait until parker is gone. Gonna be like Christmas.
For real. This FA is hot garbage. Next might be also, but c'mon. This team is probably getting Pau, which isn't moving the needle beyond status quo and fillers.
Damn, I hope Bertans and Mulitinov come in and blows PATFO away. They need it.

[All Mighty Janitor]

Give up on Conley. He is not coming as long as Parker is here and Tony ain't going nowhere. As for Gasol, he a perfect fit on offence but he D leaves a lot to be desired. He can block shots, but he's not a rim protector; he is slow of foot and has bad instincts. Still, if Duncan doesn't come back then Pau is welcome here.

[tonight...you]

Give up on Conley. He is not coming as long as Parker is here and Tony ain't going nowhere. As for Gasol, he a perfect fit on offence but he D leaves a lot to be desired. He can block shots, but he's not a rim protector; he is slow of foot and has bad instincts. Still, if Duncan doesn't come back then Pau is welcome here.
I don't know. People complained about LMA's D and the team ended up having a near historic defense for the year.
Pop can scheme a good D, even with poor D players.

Team D is about having a few good individual D players and a full commitment to support and communication by everyone on the floor.
Pau's lack of foot swiftness can be overcome, but it won't be easy.

[All Mighty Janitor]

I don't know. People complained about LMA's D and the team ended up having a near historic defense for the year.
Pop can scheme a good D, even with poor D players.

Team D is about having a few good individual D players and a full commitment to support and communication by everyone on the floor.
Pau's lack of foot swiftness can be overcome, but it won't be easy.
It's not just foot speed though. He has bad awareness. Doesn't know when he should be helping or not. I not sure if these habits can be fixed.

[DPG21920]

Man, Woj talking about Tim opting in has me nervous :lol. I mean, he's pretty tied into things and maybe he was just saying what he thinks? I don't think it makes sense for Tim, but who knows. If he's retiring he may not care about the team so much and want to get his money.

Good thing we will know no later than tomorrow if he opts in or out.

I mean, I know the deadline is tomorrow but why would Tim need to wait to announce it when both Manu/West announced a day or more early (I think)?

[noles1983]

shit, well i was already thinking next season will be a lost season. now it really will be. same exact team almost. garbage, but to be expected i guess.

[coachmac87]

Give up on Conley. He is not coming as long as Parker is here and Tony ain't going nowhere. As for Gasol, he a perfect fit on offence but he D leaves a lot to be desired. He can block shots, but he's not a rim protector; he is slow of foot and has bad instincts. Still, if Duncan doesn't come back then Pau is welcome here.

That Conley report doesn't mean shit.

[cjw]

Have you seen what they have to do and give up to get that max slot? :lol

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/front-office-insider--kevin-durant-s-options-184021631.html


The moves to fit Durant:

1. Renounce the unrestricted free-agent holds of Marreese Speights, Leandro Barbosa, Ian Clark, James McAdoo, Brandon Rush and Anderson Varejao.

2. Withdraw the qualifying offers and renounce the cap holds of Harrison Barnes and Festus Ezeli.

3. Trade Bogut’s contract to a team with cap space.

The moves would leave Golden State with $26.6 million in cap space to sign Durant to a max contract.

However, doing so would only leave the Warriors with the minimum and room mid-level ($2.9 million) to fill out their roster


Yahoo's close but not 100% accurate. They can keep Clark and still hand out the max to Durant, or within a rounding error of it. They could also retain Ezeli and Ian Clark, and move out Livingston (there will be takers ... yes Livingston is hard to give up, but might be the cost of retaining Ezeli which is a must without Bogut):



Thompson
$16,663,575

Thompson
$16,663,575


Green
$15,330,435

Green
$15,330,435


Curry
$12,112,359

Curry
$12,112,359


Iguodala
$11,131,368

Iguodala
$11,131,368


Ezeli (HOLD)
$5,021,870

Livingston
$5,782,450


Looney
$1,182,840

Looney
$1,182,840


McCaw
$543,471

McCaw
$543,471


D. Jones (1st rounder)
$943,300

D. Jones (1st rounder)
$943,300


Clark (HOLD)
$1,215,696

Clark (HOLD)
$1,215,696


Roster charge (x3)
$1,630,413

Roster charge (x3)
$1,630,413


Dead $
$945,126

Dead $
$945,126


Subtotal (12 players)
$66,720,453

Subtotal (12 players)
$67,481,033


Cap Space
$27,279,547

Cap Space
$26,518,967




But teams will drive a very hard bargain if they KNOW the Warriors have to move Bogut. Could be Iguodala instead too as he's more redundant with Durant. But if the cost of Durant is only Barnes (who's going to get PAID anyway), Bogut and Ezeli (also going to get paid) or Livingston, plus some nice to have guys like Barbosa/Speights, you do it 100 times out of 100.

[tonight...you]

It's not just foot speed though. He has bad awareness. Doesn't know when he should be helping or not. I not sure if these habits can be fixed.
Very good point, but you that works with Pop's regimen for D.
He works the basics over and over so that you can be lacking in fleetness of foot, if you already know where to go.
You see that in the Spurs D over and over. The team knows where to go in a split second.
It can help... Especially tuned in guys that may be slow. Being where you are supposed to be doesn't need speed, but smarts.

[All Mighty Janitor]

That Conley report doesn't mean shit.
It's not just about the tweet. For a guy in his prime would he come here to share minutes with Tony? Neither one can play the two so they can't play together. How would it work if Tony was still here?

[All Mighty Janitor]

Very good point, but you that works with Pop's regimen for D.
He works the basics over and over so that you can be lacking in fleetness of foot, if you already know where to go.
You see that in the Spurs D over and over. The team knows where to go in a split second.
It can help... Especially tuned in guys that may be slow. Being where you are supposed to be doesn't need speed, but smarts.
Right you are. Lets hope he gets it if he comes here.

[tholdren]

shit, well i was already thinking next season will be a lost season. now it really will be. same exact team almost. garbage, but to be expected i guess.
That's not garbage. That's see what Spurs have in KL and LMA. This is the year, if the team is the same, that someone will have to step up. LMA has been a Drob his whole career. Can KL show he can lead the team from a scoring-when-it-matters/playmaking-when-it-matters standpoint?

Has to happen for one of these players to grow.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Re Zach Lowe on Twitter just now: "Spurs have extended a qualifying offer to Boban Marjanovic, making him a restricted free agent (for now)."

[SpursforSix]

It's not just about the tweet. For a guy in his prime would he come here to share minutes with Tony? Neither one can play the two so they can't play together. How would it work if Tony was still here?

Not to mention that Memphis can give him an extra year. I think I heard he'd be leaving $40,000,000 on the table. Maybe it was $30,000,000. That's a lot to walk away from.

[tonight...you]

That's not garbage. That's see what Spurs have in KL and LMA. This is the year, if the team is the same, that someone will have to step up. LMA has been a Drob his whole career. Can KL show he can lead the team from a scoring-when-it-matters/playmaking-when-it-matters standpoint?

Has to happen for one of these players to grow.
Along with Danny being more comfy and role players doing what they do. Hell, maybe even Anderson will develop a bit more and do something useful...

[tonight...you]

Along with Danny being more comfy and role players doing what they do. Hell, maybe even Anderson will develop a bit more and do something useful...
I meant maybe even Anderson COULD develop... Gotta be realistic and use that "maybe" prodigiously..

[DPG21920]

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[coachmac87]

It's not just about the tweet. For a guy in his prime would he come here to share minutes with Tony? Neither one can play the two so they can't play together. How would it work if Tony was still here?

The tweet and early reports conflict each other..Nothing has changed regarding Tony. Spurs and Conley are interested or not. Parker is 34 and already openly stated he's ready for a reduced role...

Parker and Conley can work...but Tony must come off the bench. Until Conley has a meeting from Spurs and they discuss his role then you pay attention. But people calling quits on pursuing him because of a BS tweet isn't smart

[All Mighty Janitor]

The tweet and early reports conflict each other..Nothing has changed regarding Tony. Spurs and Conley are interested or not. Parker is 34 and already openly stated he's ready for a reduced role...

Parker and Conley can work...but Tony must come off the bench. Until Conley has a meeting from Spurs and they discuss his role then you pay attention. But people calling quits on pursuing him because of a BS tweet isn't smart
I hope your right. I like Conley but if Tony is looking for 6th man type minutes, it won't work.

[tonight...you]

I hope your right. I like Conley but if Tony is looking for 6th man type minutes, it won't work.
Honestly, don't look for a Conley signing until Parker gets traded.
I doubt that's happening.

[coachmac87]

I hope your right. I like Conley but if Tony is looking for 6th man type minutes, it won't work.

Tony Parker needs to be the 6th man with or without Conley...it needs to be Parker role going forward unless we get KD which changes everything. I think Conley is unlikely IMO but he should be considered an option. We will know more as meetings are set up with teams. Don't read into anything until then

[TheGreatYacht]

Man, Woj talking about Tim opting in has me nervous :lol. I mean, he's pretty tied into things and maybe he was just saying what he thinks? I don't think it makes sense for Tim, but who knows. If he's retiring he may not care about the team so much and want to get his money.

Good thing we will know no later than tomorrow if he opts in or out.

I mean, I know the deadline is tomorrow but why would Tim need to wait to announce it when both Manu/West announced a day or more early (I think)?
I hope Tim retires. No point in dropping his career PPG even more playing for a pretender.

We already saw Hakeem/Raptors, Barkley/Rockets, Ewing/Knicks glimpses of him this postseason. Don't stay too long or it will take a hit on his legacy like it did Kirby's. Even ESPN shitted on TOSB Kirby

[Emperor]

"You're breaking my heart. You're gonna down a path i can't follow." Is exactly what i'd be telling the Spurs if they decide to give Matt Bonner yet another roster spot.
https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/4yT.j2uHfL2klECt9WiFDw--/YXBwaWQ9eWlzZWFyY2g7Zmk9Zml0O2dlPTAwNjYwMDtncz0wME EzMDA7aD00MDA7dz03MTE-/http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/DSN9Hc0Y_2U/maxresdefault.jpg.cf.jpg

[ceperez]

Have you seen what they have to do and give up to get that max slot? :lol

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/front-office-insider--kevin-durant-s-options-184021631.html

THE COMPETITORS IN THE WEST
Golden State Warriors
The loss in the NBA Finals has Warriors management pondering a shakeup.

Steph Curry, Klay Thompson and Draymond Green are likely untouchable, but the Warriors do have decisions to make on the value of cap space vs. their own free agents, and key rotational players Andre Iguodala and Andrew Bogut.

Golden State, currently with no cap space, would need to create room to land Durant.

When the Warriors meet with Durant, they will show him how room will be created and what the team will look like now and in the future.

The moves to fit Durant:

1. Renounce the unrestricted free-agent holds of Marreese Speights, Leandro Barbosa, Ian Clark, James McAdoo, Brandon Rush and Anderson Varejao.

2. Withdraw the qualifying offers and renounce the cap holds of Harrison Barnes and Festus Ezeli.

3. Trade Bogut’s contract to a team with cap space.

The moves would leave Golden State with $26.6 million in cap space to sign Durant to a max contract.

However, doing so would only leave the Warriors with the minimum and room mid-level ($2.9 million) to fill out their roster

Hmmm.... does not seem likely... okay what about the Spurs... what do they have to do to get KD?

[Emperor]

Hmmm.... does not seem likely... okay what about the Spurs... what do they have to do to get KD?

Taken from the site:
The Spurs could create $22 million in cap space with these moves:

1. Renounce the cap holds of all free agents, including Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili and Boban Marjanovic.

2. Release the $2 million cap holds of former first-round picks Livio Jean-Charles and Nikola Milutinov.

3. Trade Boris Diaw to a team with room.

4. Waive the contract of Jonathon Simmons.

San Antonio could create additional room, but would need to sacrifice a player such as Danny Green or Patty Mills.

All-Stars Kawhi Leonard and Aldridge would join Durant to form a formidable trio.

The Spurs would only have their room mid-level and minimum salaries to fill needs at backup power forward and center.

[ceperez]

Taken from the site:
The Spurs could create $22 million in cap space with these moves:

1. Renounce the cap holds of all free agents, including Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili and Boban Marjanovic.

2. Release the $2 million cap holds of former first-round picks Livio Jean-Charles and Nikola Milutinov.

3. Trade Boris Diaw to a team with room.

4. Waive the contract of Jonathon Simmons.

San Antonio could create additional room, but would need to sacrifice a player such as Danny Green or Patty Mills.

All-Stars Kawhi Leonard and Aldridge would join Durant to form a formidable trio.

The Spurs would only have their room mid-level and minimum salaries to fill needs at backup power forward and center.

A Boris Diaw trade is a tough one since nobody wants Diaw. After you get rid of Diaw, then getting rid of Mills would be easier.

However, trading Bogut for $11m may be even more difficult.

[CGD]

Seems like we're gonna just run it back and operate above the cap.

[LakerHater]

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[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/704288361737908226/dNnfOTNW_bigger.jpg Marc Stein Verified account ‏@ESPNSteinLine (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)

I'm told Golden State has shown interest in Stephen Jackson in a coaching role . But Jackson, 38, hopes to make a PLAYING return next season

[tholdren]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/704288361737908226/dNnfOTNW_bigger.jpg Marc Stein Verified account ‏@ESPNSteinLine (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)

I'm told Golden State has shown interest in Stephen Jackson in a coaching role . But Jackson, 38, hopes to make a PLAYING return next season
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ITS
HAPPENING!!!!

[NASpurs]

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[LakerHater]

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[raybies]

Seems we'll have a pretty similar team next year if we don't sign Durant. Just a needed youth movement.

[Nathan89]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/704288361737908226/dNnfOTNW_bigger.jpg Marc Stein Verified account ‏@ESPNSteinLine (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)

I'm told Golden State has shown interest in Stephen Jackson in a coaching role . But Jackson, 38, hopes to make a PLAYING return next season

He is a complete idiot if he passes up a coaching opportunity. He was done years ago.

[gambit1990]

so lma, td... gasol, diaw, boban?

i hope we're getting an athletic big. still want thomas robinson.

i wonder if the spurs are planning on bringing back west...

[Ditty]

Not surprised with us keeping Diaw for now. They're not trading him unless they're going to land someone nice in free agency, or a trade. Has a favourable salary for a guy that has some upside if he comes in motivated, and in shape.

[Chinook]

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Fucking duh. That never made any sense. I hope, though, that the team didn't just cool on him because of those comments. Don't get me wrong: I consider those a deal-breaker too. But damn if they couldn't see how silly it would have been to have Conley on the team before that.

[SpursFan86]

Yeah, Conley coming here makes no sense unless they get rid of Parker...and that's not happening. Don't get why anyone thought otherwise. Fine with me anyways; Conley is a solid player but I'm not even sure he'll be worth a max deal now, let alone in the 3rd or 4th years of his contract.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Yup, Conley ain't coming. We didn't want to pay him 33mil in year 5 (assuming s&t) anyway.

I have a feeling he'll stay in Memphis.

[Kikoluna]

Wow, shity off season so far. And Kyle f-ing Anderson is still a spur:bang

[siraulo23]

Who can the spurs get next yr tho

[TheGoldStandard]

Who can the spurs get next yr tho

They'll bring back George Hill, Aron Baynes and Kyle Korver.. that's the 2017 splash

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Wow, shity off season so far. And Kyle f-ing Anderson is still a spur:bang

What did you expect the FO to do with severely limited capspace in a off-season of unprecedented cap rise?


Who can the spurs get next yr tho

I don't have the list on me, but it's a bumper FA crop in 2017, and a lot of money will have been sucked out of the market by the madness this off-season. Staying out of it this year and planning for 2017 is the smart move, and it looks like that's what they're doing.

[Mr. Body]

The team is growing more decrepit and aged, but there's not much to do about it. Can't just magically create talented young players.

[raybies]

:pop: "trust the process"

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

:pop: "trust the process"

Well, it led to 5 rings in 15 years, so yeah, TRUST THE PROCESS.

[raybies]

Well, it led to 5 rings in 15 years, so yeah, TRUST THE PROCESS.

Yeah, I know in comparison Philly has been mocked for this but when I use Pop emoji i don't really like to poke fun, I mean it. LoL I like the plan we have now based off the little we know. Although we have some decline, the team is full of overachievers with great character, so you never know.

[TheGoldStandard]

Well, it led to 5 rings in 15 years, so yeah, TRUST THE PROCESS.


So we pray Tim goes god mode when it counts the most?

[TheGreatYacht]

Well, it led to 5 rings in 15 years, so yeah, TRUST THE PROCESS.
Agreed. Tim Duncan won 5 times in 15 years, everyone else just rode his coattails

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

So we pray Tim goes god mode when it counts the most?

No, we realise that the FO has done a pretty fine job up until now and trust them to do the best they can in a very difficult off-season.


Agreed. Tim Duncan won 5 times in 15 years, everyone else just rode his coattails

Tim was a huge part of it, but so were Manu, Tony, Bruce, Kawhi, Pop, RC, etc etc

The FO has done an incredible job in the past 20 years, and when you reduce their collective achievement to nothing you just sound like an idiot.

[TheGreatYacht]

Tim was a huge part of it, but so were Manu, Tony, Bruce, Kawhi, Pop, RC, etc etc

The FO has done an incredible job in the past 20 years, and when you reduce their collective achievement to nothing you just sound like an idiot.
Yeah such great teams Duncan had in his prime, not. Spurs ain't going anywhere anytime soon. Duncan's back finally gave out. It's not a coincedence that the Spurs were suffering early playoff exits from 2009-2011 when Duncan's game dropped massively, and then the Spurs had a rebirth once he got in shape and produced at an all star level again from 2012-2015. He's completely shot now and so are the Spurs.

A past his prime alcoholic coach and GM isn't giving me any hope. I don't know about you.

This roster is basically the old Brooklyn Nets with Kawhi and Aldridge lmao.

[jiggy_55]

Andrew Nicholson will be an unrestricted Free Agent. Is he a viable/decent option? Always felt like he has a decent game, age 26 and has a nice jumpshot

[FutureMan]

So how many rookies will have a guaranteed spot on our roster at this point? From what everyone is saying it sounds like murray, Bertans, and livio Jean-Charles

[bklynspursfan]

There's also the trade deadline next season if they come back with mostly the same team. Maybe they showcase some guys this year to move em' later. Who knows..

[NASpurs]

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[bklynspursfan]

We won 67 games last year, and lost to a great OKC team. What it showed is they need another big guy up front to help with rebounding and banging down low. Also, it's not discussed because he had 2 great Games in 1 and 2, but Aldridge was playing with a dislocated pinky on his shooting hand, and that certainly didn't help in terms of fighting Adams/Kanter and scrapping.


We need another big guy. I personally don't think that guy is Gasol, but it seems like that could happen.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Spurs will get KD locked in and sign Pau with the MLE

Impossible, per the CBA.

The meeting with Durant will be all about next summer, Riley-LMA style.

[ceperez]

We won 67 games last year, and lost to a great OKC team. What it showed is they need another big guy up front to help with rebounding and banging down low. Also, it's not discussed because he had 2 great Games in 1 and 2, but Aldridge was playing with a dislocated pinky on his shooting hand, and that certainly didn't help in terms of fighting Adams/Kanter and scrapping.


We need another big guy. I personally don't think that guy is Gasol, but it seems like that could happen.

I will have to agree that Gasol would have made a difference in that series. Spurs will also need some more scoring at the wings.

Right now Spurs don't have a lot of flexibility considering we got Duncan and Diaw in place..

Duncan/Marjanovic/Gasol
Aldridge/Diaw/LJC
Leonard/Anderson/Bertans
Green/Ginobili/Simmons
Parker/Mills/Murray

That's 15 players already ... not including projects like Ndoye, Lalanne and old guys like West, Miller, Martin and Bonner that think they still have gas in the tank.

[raybies]

Similar to when room was created to sign LaMarcus Aldridge last July, the same steps would need to occur for the Spurs to create cap space for Durant.
However, with Tim Duncan opting in to his $6.3 million contract for next season, the Spurs' process to land Durant has become much more complicated than the path to clear cap space for Aldridge last summer.

The Spurs could create $26 million in cap space with these moves:

1. Renounce the cap holds of all free agents, including Manu Ginobili and Boban Marjanovic.

2. Release the $2 million cap holds of former first-round picks Livio Jean-Charles and Nikola Milutinov.

3. Trade Boris Diaw and Danny Green to a team with room.

4. Waive the contract of Jonathon Simmons.

Duncan could decide to retire, giving the Spurs additional cap relief, but the balancing act of cap space will become critical as San Antonio awaits his decision.

All-Stars Kawhi Leonard and Aldridge would join Durant to form a formidable trio.

The Spurs would only have their room mid-level and minimum salaries to fill needs at backup power forward and center.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/front-office-insider--kevin-durant-s-options-184021631.html

Or we can trade Patty and sign Milutinov and ljc

[gambit1990]

not expecting to sign durant but... if we did... we'd have two of the top 5 players in our starting lineup... it's mind blowing to think about.

if we wanted to play a small ball line up we could try murray/kawhi/bertans/durant/lma. would be wild.

[NASpurs]

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[NikosChelsea7]

Nevermind.Already posted.

[Chinook]

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No, Dwayne!

The Spurs should do whatever they need to do to get Dedmon on the team. Dude's much better than anyone else they could sign for the MLE.

[YGWHI]

Instead, the Spanish four time All-NBA selection has been solely interested in the San Antonio Spurs (http://www.thescore.com/news/1017987), where Gasol can take a very important 6th man role for the championship-chasing Spurs.

So San Antonio Opera has improved enough to lure Pau...

[TheGreatYacht]

Duncan/Boban/Bonner
Aldridge/Diaw/Jean-Charles
Leonard/Fathead/Bertans
Green/Manu/Simmons
Parker/Mills/Murray


Dont get your hopes up folks. Pop and RC will probably walk into the KD meeting telling him that he'll average 19-21ppg, get rejected, and then they'll book vacation spots for mid May

[rjv]

:pop: "trust the process"

this is ST. very few posters trust anything other than their own narcissistic takes and arm-chair coaching/managing.

[HarlemHeat37]

Dedmon is/was my #1 target for a cheap big, tbh..sucks that Orlando is still interested in him:lol

[cjw]

Andrew Nicholson will be an unrestricted Free Agent. Is he a viable/decent option? Always felt like he has a decent game, age 26 and has a nice jumpshot

Interesting as a stretch PF, but with Diaw returning plus Aldridge preferring the 4 (he will have to play some 5) there's not much of a need for him. If cap space is limited, the more pressing need is getting a penetrating guard who can pass. If he can be had at the minimum or for the room exception, then worth a look.

Orlando was awful defensively but his dRPM is a respectable 0.9.

Decent rebounder for his position (13.5 rebound rate - which is in the zip code of Green/Griffin, so average rebounders for their position, but well below the Love/Faried/Robinson freak numbers) and very solid TS% around 56-57%.

36% shooter from deep and a little better from outside of 10 feet, while a good finisher at the basket. Sure beats Ricky Rubio's awful shooting and from a big to boot.





The Spurs should do whatever they need to do to get Dedmon on the team. Dude's much better than anyone else they could sign for the MLE.

Probably a fair comparison to Nicholson as they're on the same team. Dedmon had a very positive impact defensively for the Magic - actually gets them to a decent defensive team while he's on the floor. Lacks three point range but can hit from midrange (13 of 30 from there last season - small sample size, but not a total floor clogger).

Won't Magic match anything reasonable?

[SpursFan86]

Was going to say Dudley would be a solid pickup, but just came across him tweeting that a 1 year/$5 million deal wouldn't be good enough, so I imagine he's off the table :lol

[T Park]

Andrew Nicholson was let go and is unrestricted. Decent name out there.

[T Park]

Was going to say Dudley would be a solid pickup, but just came across him tweeting that a 1 year/$5 million deal wouldn't be good enough, so I imagine he's off the table :lol



Yeah Dudley is getting 4/40 this offseason most likely

[Chinook]

Won't Magic match anything reasonable?

It's tough to get a read on them. They traded O'Quinn for a song last year in large part to give Dedmon more minutes. So you'd think he's part of their plans. But they already have three other bigs of note in Vuc, Serge and Gordon. If they sign Mahinmi to a biggish deal like some suggest, they might not want to match an MLE-esque deal for their fifth big. Or they might be willing to make a trade for Mills, Simmons and/or Boban, picking up an asset for a guy they didn't want in their long-term plans anyway. Regardless, he's definitely my top target for the MLE or under -- especially if the starting bigs are taken care of some other way.

[HarlemHeat37]

It's tough to get a read on them. They traded O'Quinn for a song last year in large part to give Dedmon more minutes. So you'd think he's part of their plans. But they already have three other bigs of note in Vuc, Serge and Gordon. If they sign Mahinmi to a biggish deal like some suggest, they might not want to match an MLE-esque deal for their fifth big. Or they might be willing to make a trade for Mills, Simmons and/or Boban, picking up an asset for a guy they didn't want in their long-term plans anyway. Regardless, he's definitely my top target for the MLE or under -- especially if the starting bigs are taken care of some other way.

It's puzzling, because they buried him on the bench until March, where he only began playing again because Vucevic got hurt..

[Chinook]

It's puzzling, because they buried him on the bench until March, where he only began playing again because Vucevic got hurt..

Yeah, they were giving his minutes to Jason Smith of all people.

[cjw]

It's puzzling, because they buried him on the bench until March, where he only began playing again because Vucevic got hurt..

Plus with a new regime in place, it either means Dedmon's stock has gone up within the organization (in which case he'd cost too much to trade for / offer sheet gets matched) or it's fallen ... Ibaka trade could be a signal of this ... which means he could be had at a very reasonable cost.

I know some on the board think an offseason without making a huge splash is a lost offseason, but shrewd moves could pay huge dividends in roster flexibility going forward.

[Kawhitstorm]

Also, one of the main reasons I'm not for standing pat or blowing it up despite SA's flaws is because things change so quickly.

Basically Spurs are by all measures a top 5 team. They have flaws and are probably ranked 4th or 5th in the contender zone, but every other team outside of the top 5 would kill to be in SA's spot.

All it takes is an injury or two (Curry's knee in the playoffs, CP3 injury, etc..) and things drastically change. It takes a lot to be in one of the top 5 contender spots and you should not take that lightly with how crazy the NBA gets.

They aren't winning it all w/the Porker/Fatty tandem.:lol (They were BOTH healthy in the playoffs & completely wet the bed)

Manu has been flamed out the past two postseasons despite being healthy & Tim is trending towards being a liability at this point of his career even against teams that play traditional bigs let alone small-ball. Unless Porker got moved there wasn't any realistic move they could have made this offseason that was going to elevate the team.

Bottom line is that Porker has basically handicapped the franchise & the team won't be a TRUE contender as long as he's the starter.

[gambit1990]

spurs need an athletic big.

don't work out lorbek, work out thomas robinson.

younger, more athletic, taller than boris and west. would take him over those two and even boban. can roll to the basket better than any of those. can roll better and finish stronger than splitter.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqfMAc2CduU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GJeROY_F6Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJnnp92BRA8

he opted outta a $1,050,961 player option for 2016-17, is an unrestricted free agent.

has played with lma in portland too.

[NASpurs]

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[gambit1990]

^i was surprised and disappointed stan van gundy signed him back then. wonder what they're getting back.

[TheGoldStandard]

They aren't winning it all w/the Porker/Fatty tandem.:lol (They were BOTH healthy in the playoffs & completely wet the bed)

Manu has been flamed out the past two postseasons despite being healthy & Tim is trending towards being a liability at this point of his career even against teams that play traditional bigs let alone small-ball. Unless Porker got moved there wasn't any realistic move they could have made this offseason that was going to elevate the team.

Bottom line is that Porker has basically handicapped the franchise & the team won't be a TRUE contender as long as he's the starter.

But but there is nobody out there.
He's a proven winner
His assists were up
His contract isn't that bad.. lol

[RD2191]

spurs need an athletic big.

don't work out lorbek, work out thomas robinson.

younger, more athletic, taller than boris and west. would take him over those two and even boban. can roll to the basket better than any of those. can roll better and finish stronger than splitter.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqfMAc2CduU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GJeROY_F6Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJnnp92BRA8

he opted outta a $1,050,961 player option for 2016-17, is an unrestricted free agent.

has played with lma in portland too.

He has that sjax attitude though. He thinks he's a better player than he actually is. Would never fit in with the spurs and tbh fuck anyone with that kind of attitude.

[NASpurs]

^i was surprised and disappointed stan van gundy signed him back then. wonder what they're getting back.

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[BatManu20]

"Ya know"

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[gambit1990]

He has that sjax attitude though. He thinks he's a better player than he actually is. Would never fit in with the spurs and tbh fuck anyone with that kind of attitude.
just came across this:

Gregg Popovich mentioned the need to add younger talent after the Spurs were eliminated from the playoffs by Oklahoma City last week. The Thunder’s youth and athleticism overwhelmed the Spurs, who now face questions about the strength of their bench, especially with older forwards David West and Boris Diaw.

West, who will turn 36 in August, has a player option for next season, which he has until June to decide. And if the Spurs are considering parting ways with the 34-year-old Diaw, as Express-News columnist Buck Harvey suggested, Robinson could fill the void.

Said Popovich when asked if the team needs more youth: “Well I think when you look at the team, having a little bit more quickness and youth is definitely part of the equation.”

The connection to Robinson: Spurs GM R.C. Buford has been a fan of the former University of Kansas standout for quite sometime. Buford has ties to the school from his days as an assistant coach under Larry Brown.

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2016/05/17/thomas-robinson-expected-to-opt-out-of-contract-with-nets-could-spurs-be-an-option/

[Mr. Body]

He has that sjax attitude though. He thinks he's a better player than he actually is. Would never fit in with the spurs and tbh fuck anyone with that kind of attitude.

You're right; Stephen Jackson never had success with the Spurs.

[gambit1990]

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good for the pistons. the magic have such an awkward roster. idk what they're trying to do. wouldn't mind getting fournier if they decide to part with him.

[RD2191]

You're right; Stephen Jackson never had success with the Spurs.

He would have had more if he wasn't a self centered faggot that thought he was better than he actually is. Things didn't end well the 2nd time now did they?

[tonight...you]

"Ya know"

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If you tried to make a drinking game off of his "ya know"s, everyone would be dead in less than 45 seconds.

[Kawhitstorm]

But but there is nobody out there.
He's a proven winner
His assists were up
His contract isn't that bad.. lol

Which explains why PATFO are staying pat instead until next summer & not bothering to contend for the title.:lol

[RD2191]

just came across this:


http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2016/05/17/thomas-robinson-expected-to-opt-out-of-contract-with-nets-could-spurs-be-an-option/
Just because RC is a fan doesn't mean they actually want to sign him. Things don't end well for players who acrually think they're better than they are on the Spurs. How'd things end with Blair? TRob would be good for 10-12 mins a game but he doesn't want that. He wants at least 20 a game but that isn't possible because his defensive numbers fukin suck.

[Dverde]

"Ya know"

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This interview was so boring. Tim showing to be a great influence.

[Kawhitstorm]

It's tough to get a read on them. They traded O'Quinn for a song last year in large part to give Dedmon more minutes. So you'd think he's part of their plans. But they already have three other bigs of note in Vuc, Serge and Gordon. If they sign Mahinmi to a biggish deal like some suggest, they might not want to match an MLE-esque deal for their fifth big. Or they might be willing to make a trade for Mills, Simmons and/or Boban, picking up an asset for a guy they didn't want in their long-term plans anyway. Regardless, he's definitely my top target for the MLE or under -- especially if the starting bigs are taken care of some other way.

Why in the hell would they want to sign Ian when they have Ibaka/Vuc? (Not sure Ian wants to be a backup either when there are a lot of team that need a starting center)

[TheGoldStandard]

Just because RC is a fan doesn't mean they actually want to sign him. Things don't end well for players who acrually think they're better than they are on the Spurs. How'd things end with Blair? TRob would be good for 10-12 mins a game but he doesn't want that. He wants at least 20 a game but that isn't possible because his defensive numbers fukin suck.

It hasn't stopped Parker

[coachmac87]

"Ya know"

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I literally counted 876 "ya knows"

[Kawhitstorm]

It's puzzling, because they buried him on the bench until March, where he only began playing again because Vucevic got hurt..


Yeah, they were giving his minutes to Jason Smith of all people.

That's Skiles being Skiles, he doesn't give minutes to players who don't go all out in practice.:lol

[gambit1990]

Just because RC is a fan doesn't mean they actually want to sign him. Things don't end well for players who acrually think they're better than they are on the Spurs. How'd things end with Blair? TRob would be good for 10-12 mins a game but he doesn't want that. He wants at least 20 a game but that isn't possible because his defensive numbers fukin suck.
he'd be better than you think with us.

and not like there's a lot to choose to from :lol you'd rather have west? robinson is young and turned down $1 million. it's not like he's in a position to demand the world. i'm not trying to give him a max contract. we need an athletic big. who do you want?

and his last team was the nets. maybe sean would help us out with a sign & trade.

[objective]

If Thomas Robinson ha fallen in his draft to a second round pick, he'd be Jeff Ayres.

He's just not that good. Ayres always had impressive dunks to go with an NBA body also, just now of the lottery pick shine.

[DPG21920]

Which explains why PATFO are staying pat instead until next summer & not bothering to contend for the title.:lol

You laugh a lot :lol

[gambit1990]

If Thomas Robinson ha fallen in his draft to a second round pick, he'd be Jeff Ayres.

He's just not that good. Ayres always had impressive dunks to go with an NBA body also, just now of the lottery pick shine.
what a ridiculous comparison :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

You laugh a lot :lol

:lol

[cjw]

good for the pistons. the magic have such an awkward roster. idk what they're trying to do. wouldn't mind getting fournier if they decide to part with him.

I actually don't mind Meeks at the cost of a 2nd rounder - just one year left on his deal and reasonable at $6+mm. Orlando can probably net more for him than a 2nd at the trade deadline. Reason he only cost that right now is because of cap space being valuable.

Makes it more amazing that Vlade fleeced Jordan for a first rounder BEFORE THE DRAFT for Ferrari, with them now trying to dump Jeremy Lamb.



If Thomas Robinson ha fallen in his draft to a second round pick, he'd be Jeff Ayres.

He's just not that good. Ayres always had impressive dunks to go with an NBA body also, just now of the lottery pick shine.

Robinson is an elite rebounder - better than even Tristan Thompson. That's literally it though. He cannot put the ball in the hoop to save his life ... only 60% from around the basket and about a 20% shooter away from the basket.

[SpursforSix]

I actually don't mind Meeks at the cost of a 2nd rounder - just one year left on his deal and reasonable at $6+mm. Orlando can probably net more for him than a 2nd at the trade deadline. Reason he only cost that right now is because of cap space being valuable.

Makes it more amazing that Vlade fleeced Jordan for a first rounder BEFORE THE DRAFT for Ferrari, with them now trying to dump Jeremy Lamb.




Robinson is an elite rebounder - better than even Tristan Thompson. That's literally it though. He cannot put the ball in the hoop to save his life ... only 60% from around the basket and about a 20% shooter away from the basket.

:pop: That's too much to think about. It's easier to just sign Bonner so I can get back to binge watching Castle.

[Chinook]

If Thomas Robinson ha fallen in his draft to a second round pick, he'd be Jeff Ayres.

He's just not that good. Ayres always had impressive dunks to go with an NBA body also, just now of the lottery pick shine.

Robinson doesn't have an NBA body. I don't care what people say, that dude looks like a guard

[BillMc]

If you tried to make a drinking game off of his "ya know"s, everyone would be dead in less than 45 seconds.
:lol

Interesting to hear that his pinkie is still bothering him. Guess it was more serious than we thought.

[tonight...you]

:lol

Interesting to hear that his pinkie is still bothering him. Guess it was more serious than we thought.
I noticed that myself and wondered if he might end up needing surgery.

[jyra]

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Surprised to see them give on Inglis. He would have cost less than a million for next season. 6-8 SF with a 7-3 wingspan and still only 21. Maybe he can turn into a poor man's version of Kawhi. Would be a nice pick up for Austin.

[NikosChelsea7]

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[ceperez]

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Surprised to see them give on Inglis. He would have cost less than a million for next season. 6-8 SF with a 7-3 wingspan and still only 21. Maybe he can turn into a poor man's version of Kawhi. Would be a nice pick up for Austin.

Interesting, maybe he's a cheaper pickup than LJC?

I mean... he's like a Leonard player but only 21!! http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Damien-Inglis-6428/

[Nathan89]

According to Windhorst Wade contacted the Spurs and Mavs fielding offers.

[Chinook]

Depends on salary. Certainly think he'd be a good influence on Murray. Would have to accept that he wouldn't be starter and likely not a finisher either.

[TheGoldStandard]

According to Windhorst Wade contacted the Spurs and Mavs fielding offers.


:lol

[Keepin' it real]

According to Windhorst Wade contacted the Spurs and Mavs fielding offers.

Just driving up his re-signing value with the Heat.

[Chinook]

Interesting, maybe he's a cheaper pickup than LJC?

I mean... he's like a Leonard player but only 21!! http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Damien-Inglis-6428/

He's not cheaper, no is he an alternative. LJC has a guaranteed deal. He's not going anyway unless PATFO turn real bitch-made all the sudden.

[TheGoldStandard]

:pop: You have a great skill set.. so you think you can stand in the corner?

[AFBlue]

If you tried to make a drinking game off of his "ya know"s, everyone would be dead in less than 45 seconds.

I couldn't stand it, had to quit listening less than a minute in. What I picked up in less than a minute is that LaMarcus isn't divulging any of the Spurs' tactics if he knows any. What I didn't get was whether LaMarcus is joining the pitch team. It would seem odd if he were excluded given that he and Kawhi are the two big pieces of the future.

Has anyone confirmed whether or not he'll be, y'know, part of the pitch party?

[SPURt]

According to Windhorst Wade contacted the Spurs and Mavs fielding offers.
I wonder how offended he was when the Spurs offered the minimum to come off the bench? The floor spacing with him replacing Danny in the starting unit would be awful.

[look_at_g_shred]

I couldn't stand it, had to quit listening less than a minute in. What I picked up in less than a minute is that LaMarcus isn't divulging any of the Spurs' tactics if he knows any. What I didn't get was whether LaMarcus is joining the pitch team. It would seem odd if he were excluded given that he and Kawhi are the two big pieces of the future.

Has anyone confirmed whether or not he'll be, y'know, part of the pitch party?
i'm sure we'll get more facts as to whose there minutes prior to their meeting. Someone on Twitter will post a pic of Pop. RC, TD, Kawhi, and LMA

[cjw]

I wonder how offended he was when the Spurs offered the minimum to come off the bench? The floor spacing with him replacing Danny in the starting unit would be awful.

You can run a starting unit of Parker-Wade-Green-Leonard-Aldridge and quickly swap off Wade or Green, who will then come on to replace Leonard late in the 1st quarter.

Wade is almost certainly looking for the max, and leaving the Heat impacts his marketing value - staying with one team has a certain cache. That said, given that Bosh may never reliably return, he'd be stupid not to look beyond the Heat given his competitive drive.

[montgod]

I wonder how offended he was when the Spurs offered the minimum to come off the bench? The floor spacing with him replacing Danny in the starting unit would be awful.

He would never come first off and would want way too much money. I do agree, if it ever happened, he would definitely be more of a Manu type player coming in as a scorer/faciliator for the second unit. And obviously, he wouldn't want that either... so...

[tonight...you]

I couldn't stand it, had to quit listening less than a minute in. What I picked up in less than a minute is that LaMarcus isn't divulging any of the Spurs' tactics if he knows any. What I didn't get was whether LaMarcus is joining the pitch team. It would seem odd if he were excluded given that he and Kawhi are the two big pieces of the future.

Has anyone confirmed whether or not he'll be, y'know, part of the pitch party?
I doubt he will and after hearing the guy talk... would you even want him there? Kawhi too. What's he going to do except look uncomfortable and quiet?
No, let Timmy and Pop go. Manu would be good too, but no LMA, or Kawhi. Not to a recruiting pitch.

[szkorhetz]

You can't really ask for anything more than Wade as the sixth man.
3years, MLE

[TheGreatYacht]

Wade and Gasol, get it done RC

[HarlemHeat37]

He's just trying to help his price, tbh..Wade has often mentioned the greatness and success of the Spurs organization..

Everybody uses the Spurs for leverage:lol

[TD 21]

Wade isn't going anywhere and he'd never accept being a sixth man.

All this hype, yet every free agent projected to get the max, is likely to re-sign.

[HarlemHeat37]

Miami is in a horrible situation..they looked like a promising team for the future, especially since Riley has been eying 2017 since Lebron left, but everything has went downhill for them:

1. Bosh's medical concerns
2. Whiteside unexpectedly blowing up before they could do anything to lock him up(realistically)
3. Last off-season, dealing with the old "loyalty to a superstar" issue that often arises..do you cut ties with the player and alienate your fanbase or think logically about basketball?
4. Wade having a very solid season after looking completely finished the previous year, giving him some leverage in an off-season where they have to deal with Whiteside and want Durant

[DPG21920]

Wade has long been my favorite non-Spur (probably ever). As unlikely as it is, that would be dope to have him on SA.

[gambit1990]

can't miami do something about bosh's contract since he can't play? i guess they're waiting for him to get better...

he won't be near worth what he'll be getting paid tbh.

[FvckMavs]

Wade and Gasol, get it done RC

We can have about 22m if we salary dump Diaw and Mills. Maybe we can give Wade 16m and Gasol 6m? Bring back West and Manu with room mid level and minimum and our lineup looks like this:

TD/Gasol
LA/West
KL/Green
Wade/Manu
TP/Murray

[Kindergarten Cop]

We can have about 22m if we salary dump Diaw and Mills. Maybe we can give Wade 16m and Gasol 6m? Bring back West and Manu with room mid level and minimum and our lineup looks like this:

TD/Gasol
LA/West
KL/Green
Wade/Manu
TP/Murray

We won't have the MLE if we use cap room to sign Wade/Gasol in your hypothetical.

[DPG21920]

We won't have the MLE if we use cap room to sign Wade/Gasol in your hypothetical.

SA will have the Room Mid-Level which is different and what he was referencing.

[NikosChelsea7]

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[NASpurs]

If it's for the minimum, why not?

[Kindergarten Cop]

SA will have the Room Mid-Level which is different and what he was referencing.

My bad. For some reason I had it in my mind that "mid-level" terminology was strictly in regards to the MLE. By simply googling the variations I learned that there are multiple types of room exceptions. Thanks for the clarification. :toast

[I. Hustle]

Wade has long been my favorite non-Spur (probably ever). As unlikely as it is, that would be dope to have him on SA.

He's not old enough yet. Almost but not quite. He'll join the Moses Malone; Dominique Wilkins; Antonio McDyess; Andre Miller; Mario Elie; Vernon Maxwell; Ron Mercer; Will Perdue; Glen Robinson; Chuck Person; Nick VanExel; Charlie Ward; Kevin Willis and whoever else I forgot. Those are just the players that I got to see in a Spurs uniform that joined the team after they were too old or past their prime and I wish we had gotten them sooner.

A couple of those guys still had something in them. Like McDyess, Person, Willis and even Perdue.

[Mnky]

Wade would be a perfect manu replacement tbh. He would be worth spending money on. Guy legitimately carried the heat quite often last year. Heat, as pointed out, are in a bad position. They have a Max pg who isn't a Max player, might lose their best player this summer, bosh might not play again or ever at that high level.. they ar not trending up. They look more likely to rebuild than reload. Wade would be interested in going somewhere eye could have a large role, which both spurs and mavs could accommodate while contending.Guy handed over his franchise to LeBron for rings, he likes to win.

That being said, it isn't likely to happen but makes sense if the low probability came through. A Gasol/wade pickup would make the spurs much better than last year. They basically had no second unit, wade would do that. He would also play pg in crunch time ala vintage manu, which would be a very good rebounding and defensive final unit with Kawhi, lma. Likely? No. Possible ? Yes. That's what she's free agency fun.

[NASpurs]

How much is this guy looking for anyway?

[DPG21920]

My bad. For some reason I had it in my mind that "mid-level" terminology was strictly in regards to the MLE. By simply googling the variations I learned that there are multiple types of room exceptions. Thanks for the clarification. :toast

No worries! I was telling Chinook that I love free agency/draft because during the season it's easy to forget (especially with CBA changes last round) and this time generates great conversations and allows us all to learn/refresh.

[tonight...you]

Wade would be a perfect manu replacement tbh. He would be worth spending money on. Guy legitimately carried the heat quite often last year. Heat, as pointed out, are in a bad position. They have a Max pg who isn't a Max player, might lose their best player this summer, bosh might not play again or ever at that high level.. they ar not trending up. They look more likely to rebuild than reload. Wade would be interested in going somewhere eye could have a large role, which both spurs and mavs could accommodate while contending.Guy handed over his franchise to LeBron for rings, he likes to win.

That being said, it isn't likely to happen but makes sense if the low probability came through. A Gasol/wade pickup would make the spurs much better than last year. They basically had no second unit, wade would do that. He would also play pg in crunch time ala vintage manu, which would be a very good rebounding and defensive final unit with Kawhi, lma. Likely? No. Possible ? Yes. That's what she's free agency fun.
It would be ridiculous to add Wade to the team.
There's no way it happens. Count me in the camp that thinks he's manipulating as best he can to Riley.

[NASpurs]

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[tonight...you]

No worries! I was telling Chinook that I love free agency/draft because during the season it's easy to forget (especially with CBA changes last round) and this time generates great conversations and allows us all to learn/refresh.
You're ST's anchor at staying on point when it comes to Bball discussion. No doubt. And here I am talking about MST3K for half the day with posters...

[DPG21920]

It's all good :tu

[tonight...you]

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Huh... does that mean anything as far as Durant and any major free agent acquisitions they could/now could not make?

Honestly, I think they will be most dangerous keeping the crew together, rather than doing landscaping.

[DPG21920]

Huh... does that mean anything as far as Durant and any major free agent acquisitions they could/now could not make?

Honestly, I think they will be most dangerous keeping the crew together, rather than doing landscaping.

Means nothing. They aren't going to risk losing those guys for nothing if KD says no. They make them RFAs and then sign them if KD says no.

If KD says yes, then they recind the qualifying offers and free up the cap space they are taking up.

[tonight...you]

Means nothing. They aren't going to risk losing those guys for nothing if KD says no. They make them RFAs and then sign them if KD says no.

If KD says yes, then they recind the qualifying offers and free up the cap space they are taking up.
That's what I thought. Nothing means anything til Durant and others start moving.

[DPG21920]

That's what I thought. Nothing means anything til Durant and others start moving.

Yup. There is some danger to GS if Barnes/Festus sign offer sheets really early. Team would have 3 days to decide and if KD has not made a decision they will have a choice to make.

But the players seem to want to stay with GS so they will probably wait a little while and most teams won't do much until KD (and the other main FA's like Conley/Whiteside) make their decisions. A lot of offers to players are contingent on KD telling them no I would imagine.

[Hoops Czar]

Miami is in a horrible situation..they looked like a promising team for the future, especially since Riley has been eying 2017 since Lebron left, but everything has went downhill for them:

1. Bosh's medical concerns
2. Whiteside unexpectedly blowing up before they could do anything to lock him up(realistically)
3. Last off-season, dealing with the old "loyalty to a superstar" issue that often arises..do you cut ties with the player and alienate your fanbase or think logically about basketball?
4. Wade having a very solid season after looking completely finished the previous year, giving him some leverage in an off-season where they have to deal with Whiteside and want Durant

Solid season comparative to who, Evan Turner? He was worse than Tony Parker and people here have the audacity to complain about Tony's play. Must be one of those intangible things that doesn't show up in the box score I guess. Dat double standard! :lol When Wade gets paid and he will, Parker's contract will look like a bargain.

[tbdog]

^ why do you say that? Wade defense is now gone, mainly due to effort, but he avg 19/4/4 at 45% shooting, but provided next to nothing from three. In the post season it jumped up a little 21/5.6/4. Shot a little better, and 50% from three on 1.6 attempts.

[SpursFan86]

Solid season comparative to who, Evan Turner? He was worse than Tony Parker and people here have the audacity to complain about Tony's play. Must be one of those intangible things that doesn't show up in the box score I guess. Dat double standard! :lol When Wade gets paid and he will, Parker's contract will look like a bargain.

I would love to hear the argument for Parker being better than Wade last season :lol

[ace3g]

Stefan Bondy Verified account ‏@SBondyNYDN (https://twitter.com/SBondyNYDN) A name to think about for the Knicks in free agency: Kevin Martin. They made a run at him at trade deadline.

[tholdren]

worse efficiency than melo - i like it

[Kindergarten Cop]

I would love to hear the argument for Parker being better than Wade last season :lol

He was a better 3 point shooter? :huh

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Yeah such great teams Duncan had in his prime, not. Spurs ain't going anywhere anytime soon. Duncan's back finally gave out. It's not a coincedence that the Spurs were suffering early playoff exits from 2009-2011 when Duncan's game dropped massively, and then the Spurs had a rebirth once he got in shape and produced at an all star level again from 2012-2015. He's completely shot now and so are the Spurs.

A past his prime alcoholic coach and GM isn't giving me any hope. I don't know about you.

This roster is basically the old Brooklyn Nets with Kawhi and Aldridge lmao.

Um, the 2012-15 resurgence also coincides with a complete change in style of play (to the beautiful game - we were doing it before anyone else), the emergence of Kawhi, not to mention cobbling together an excellent supporting cast by bringing in guys like Diaw, Mills, CoJo, Baynes, etc. The 2009-2011 teams sucked primarily because we were unable to bring in any FAs or draft picks that helped.

Is Pop over the hill? Maybe, maybe not. But his and RC's team-building acumen has 20 successful years behind it and I'm willing to trust in that. I don't like that we've zagged to slow-ball when everyone else is going fast, but it was done to fit the personnel.

We are long past the time I thought we'd be rebuilding - back in 2010 I thought Duncan, Manu and Pop would ride off into the sunset together after 2012, but then Kawhi exploded and changed everything - and there's no doubt we need an injection of youth and athleticism, but even with all of that we still almost beat a peaking OKC team last year.

I'll trust in the management that has made this the franchise of the era, and a model for sports clubs across the globe. :D

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Um, the 2012-15 resurgence also coincides with a complete change in style of play (to the beautiful game - we were doing it before anyone else), the emergence of Kawhi, not to mention cobbling together an excellent supporting cast by bringing in guys like Diaw, Mills, CoJo, Baynes, etc. The 2009-2011 teams sucked primarily because we were unable to bring in any FAs or draft picks that helped.

Is Pop over the hill? Maybe, maybe not. But his and RC's team-building acumen has 20 successful years behind it and I'm willing to trust in that. I don't like that we've zagged to slow-ball when everyone else is going fast, but it was done to fit the personnel.

We are long past the time I thought we'd be rebuilding - back in 2010 I thought Duncan, Manu and Pop would ride off into the sunset together after 2012, but then Kawhi exploded and changed everything - and there's no doubt we need an injection of youth and athleticism, but even with all of that we still almost beat a peaking OKC team last year.

I'll trust in the management that has made this the franchise of the era, and a model for sports clubs across the globe. :D

I like your optimism. :toast