2020 Texas Longhorns Recruiting Thread

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2021 QB Jake Garcia (Harbor City, CA)

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https://247sports.com/Player/Jake-Garcia-46053996/

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This kid will almost certainly be a LB target for the 2021 class.

Nick Martin of Texarkana Pleasant Grove.

https://247sports.com/Player/Nick-Martin-46083535/

https://www.hudl.com/video/3/11013190/5d84137a5b47b80f641a7f5d

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2021 DE Tunmise Adeleye of Katy Tompkins told A&M 24/7 his current top three is A&M, Alabama and Ohio State.

https://247sports.com/Player/Tunmise-Adeleye-46050288/

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Is there a pattern for when he tweets stuff like this?

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Is there a pattern for when he tweets stuff like this?

I would be lying if I said I remember for sure.

Sometimes he's just hyping to keep eyes on the program and get people excited.

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2021 DE Tunmise Adeleye of Katy Tompkins told A&M 24/7 his current top three is A&M, Alabama and Ohio State.

https://247sports.com/Player/Tunmise-Adeleye-46050288/

Honestly, I don't believe him. I think he just threw that out there to appease the A&M reporter.

[pgardn]

Honestly, I don't believe him. I think he just threw that out there to appease the A&M reporter.

All three of those teams have put out some very good defensive ends, especially recently.
So it’s not surprising.

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The Blocking was sweet. Guys were locked up or pushed back. He found the wedges created and used them well to get through the 2nd level and to the DBs. This is what the Dallas OL is giving their RBs at present.

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Is there a pattern for when he tweets stuff like this?

Someone on twitter suggested Ringos name has resurfaced as well as Ringos mom so maybe something positive on that end? Does anyone have any insight?

[Vito Corleone]

Someone on twitter suggested Ringos name has resurfaced as well as Ringos mom so maybe something positive on that end? Does anyone have any insight?

Ringo's mom is so freaking hot, I'd take her even if we don't get Kelee. That is my insight.

[soldierhorn]

Ringo's mom is so freaking hot, I'd take her even if we don't get Kelee. That is my insight.

concur

[Trill Clinton]

Ringo's mom is so freaking hot, I'd take her even if we don't get Kelee. That is my insight.


I second that

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From just these vids the guy is a RB.

What did we want him to play? D?
He did annihilate a poor kid on one play after a fumble.

His passing did not stand out. Maybe because many receivers were wide open and he just had to get the ball there.

[satam55]

Ringo's mom is so freaking hot, I'd take her even if we don't get Kelee. That is my insight.


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I second that

Link?

[Hook Em 88]

Link?

Sorry guys pretty certain Carringtons got dibs on that. She’s in Ringos first pics on Twitter. She has her own page I think she looks best in the pic she tagged Carrington in.

[Hook Em 88]

Woah we got sidetracked anyways I hope communication has picked back up between both sides we need a shut down corner in a big way.

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This is an old pic and not one of her best.

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The Football Brainiacs are reporting DE Princely Umanmielen and CB Joshua Eaton will be officially visiting OU this weekend.

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I think something may be brewing with the class of 2020 maybe a commitment. First Carringtons tweet then Justin Wells if Inside Texas tweeted out cloUT2020 with a gif of pure joy. Very random for it to not be anything.

[IvanDrago]

I think something may be brewing with the class of 2020 maybe a commitment. First Carringtons tweet then Justin Wells if Inside Texas tweeted out cloUT2020 with a gif of pure joy. Very random for it to not be anything.
Kelvontay Dixon?

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I think something may be brewing with the class of 2020 maybe a commitment. First Carringtons tweet then Justin Wells if Inside Texas tweeted out cloUT2020 with a gif of pure joy. Very random for it to not be anything.

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Kelvontay Dixon?

I think it's too early for that one.

Plus, it's the anniversary for "Dazed and Confused."

[soldierhorn]

I think it's too early for that one.
There's no game but is there a visitors list for this weekend? that might narrow it down

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There's no game but is there a visitors list for this weekend? that might narrow it down

No visitors that I've seen as of today.

The coaches may actually be on the road recruiting and attending high school games all over this week.

[playblair]

No visitors that I've seen as of today.

The coaches may actually be on the road recruiting and attending high school games all over this week.

coach washington is in arizona visitng ringo

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Would sting like hell to see a Brockermeyer in anything other than Burnt Orange.

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[Jbug]

Seems to be a lot of scuttle about Ringo. This is getting fun.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI-4bqA3H1o#action=share

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So is it significant that he posted it?

Because he should get an offer from every blue blood in the country.

His dad said he goes where he wants to.

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This is an old pic and not one of her best.
Dayum !!!

[pgardn]

Seems to be a lot of scuttle about Ringo. This is getting fun.

Dont you do this to me.
Hope can be a crushing phenomenon.

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So is it significant that he posted it?

Because he should get an offer from every blue blood in the country.

His dad said he goes where he wants to.

It's a massive offer, so he would post it regardless.

I don't think Clemson will take his brother.

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The Football Brainiacs are saying ATH Mookie Cooper of St. Louis, MO is still contemplating visiting Texas this season and the lines of communication are very much open.

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[pgardn]

The Football Brainiacs are saying ATH Mookie Cooper of St. Louis, MO is still contemplating visiting Texas this season and the lines of communication are very much open.

On 247 do they put “Hard Commit” on every kid who has actually announced they are committed

ie is there such a designation such as “Commit” or “Soft Commit” on 247?

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On 247 do they put “Hard Commit” on every kid who has actually announced they are committed

ie is there such a designation such as “Commit” or “Soft Commit” on 247?

I think at least one site used to have "soft commitment" as a designation, but I haven't seen that in a while.

Mookie is a great example of someone who should be labeled a "soft commitment", especially since he was basically kicked out of his previous school.

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[texas4ever]

" Butt Naked "

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[texas4ever]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=7iOBDHaog9U

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I don't know who originally reported, but Herman apparently said this evening that RB Jordan Whittington could be back for OU.

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Herman also said they don't expect WR Collin Johnson to be ready for West Virginia.

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I don't know who originally reported, but Herman apparently said this evening that RB Jordan Whittington could be back for OU.

One of the reporters was Kaelen Jones of the Athletic, good follow on Twitter for Longhorn news.

[pgardn]

I don't know who originally reported, but Herman apparently said this evening that RB Jordan Whittington could be back for OU.

Can he play cornerback...
Lie to me if you must.

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One of the reporters was Kaelen Jones of the Athletic, good follow on Twitter for Longhorn news.

Kaelen does a good job.

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[Vito Corleone]

Can he play cornerback...
Lie with me if you must.

FIFY

[irvin88]

Herman also said they don't expect WR Collin Johnson to be ready for West Virginia.
Geez, I did not expect him to be out this long.

[Hook Em 88]

Geez, I did not expect him to be out this long.

Redshirt year at this point...kidding kinda.

[Vito Corleone]

If CJ is ready by blOwU, we will be okay until then. I don't think we need CJ to beat West Virginia.

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Did we die?

[Vdem]

Switched to the top secret server?

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[texas4ever]

Did we die?

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Herman went by Bellaire Episcopal today to see 2021 OL Donovan Jackson.

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I got a good feeling about this one if we can hold. Has the talent and the grit.

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2021 RB Will Shipley (Matthews, NC)

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https://247sports.com/Player/Will-Shipley-46056925/

https://www.hudl.com/profile/7683911/Will-Shipley

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2022 WR Luther Burden (St. Louis, MO)

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https://www.hudl.com/profile/11820709/Luther-Burden

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2022 TE Donovan Green of Dickinson has been offered by Georgia.

https://247sports.com/Player/Donovan-Green-46080070/

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I love my children dearly, but I can't watch History channel anymore and it makes me sad.

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LB Sav'ell Smalls of Burien, WA commits to Washington.

https://247sports.com/Player/Savell-Smalls-46037523/

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Caden Sterns taking in the Steele-Clemens game tonight.

[pgardn]

Caden Sterns taking in the Steele-Clemens game tonight.

Put your hands on his knee and exclaim, " BE HEALED MY SON"

or whatever.... remove evil spirits, throw a snake at him, whatever...

[rjv]

Put your hands on his knee and exclaim, " BE HEALED MY SON"

or whatever.... remove evil spirits, throw a snake at him, whatever...:lol. He looks healthy. No noticeable limp.

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A name to know at DB for 2022.

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https://247sports.com/Player/Eric-Hemphill-46085607/

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Robinson is special, wow he is like the second coming of that USC running back that won the Heisman back in the 60's. Except without all the psychopathic tendencies.

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79-0
63-20 beating a ranked team
17-20
0-59

Seriously wtf goes on with this team?

[Billybass]

They are unpredictable that’s for sure. I’m just glad we don’t have to play them anymore

[texbound]

They are unpredictable that’s for sure. I’m just glad we don’t have to play them anymore

If we ever do decide to schedule them again, let's wait to play them in week 3 or 4. They're National Champions in the first 2 weeks of the season.

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2022 QB Quinn Ewers (Southlake Carroll)

This guy may be a target if the staff doesn't get any traction with 2022 QB Maalik Murphy of Gardena, CA.

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Coach Beck saw him live last night.

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If y'all didn't know what rjv looks like.

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[Scholz]

If y'all didn't know what rjv looks like.

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That’s what a lifetime of being an aggy fan looks like

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Poor Ol, Charlie. Beuchele sticking it his old coach. Crazy turn of events for each of them one for the better and the other worst.

[Billybass]

Mack goes for 2 and loses 21-20 to Clemson. Good to see him doing well. He was good to me and my family while at Texas

[DMX7]

79-0
63-20 beating a ranked team
17-20
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Seriously wtf goes on with this team?

The ultimate wildcard team.

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If y'all didn't know what rjv looks like.

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Turns out this was the grandfather of DE Max Wright from Katy Taylor.

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A name to know for 2022 is LB Kobie McKinzie of Lubbock Cooper.

He committed to Tech very early, but has since de-committed.

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2022 OL Kelvin Banks (Humble Summer Creek)

He was offered by Herman before the LSU game.

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[Vito Corleone]

If y'all didn't know what rjv looks like.

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Compare that look to this look.

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Don't know if any of you remember this commercial from the 1970's, but the look is the same. Maybe we need this aggy to do pollution commercials.

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Compare that look to this look.

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Don't know if any of you remember this commercial from the 1970's, but the look is the same. Maybe we need this aggy to do pollution commercials.

i also believe that actor is italian.

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[Hook Em 88]

Turns out this was the grandfather of DE Max Wright from Katy Taylor.

Makes it that much better.

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2022 OL Kelvin Banks (Humble Summer Creek)

He was offered by Herman before the LSU game.

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I wanted to add that I feel pretty good Texas isn't going to accept a 2022 commitment right now.

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2022 OL Kelvin Banks of Humble Summer Creek to Oklahoma State.

[Vito Corleone]

2022 OL Kelvin Banks of Humble Summer Creek to Oklahoma State.

Lol, That's not going to stick.

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Power move to land the Brockermeyer twins! Let’s hope it pays off.

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Looks like he’s playing against the peewee league.

[Vito Corleone]

Looks like he’s playing against the peewee league.

If you know about Texas high school football history. You probably heard of Kennith Hall AKA the sugarland express. He set records no one will ever break. He averaged like 300 yards per game. I always wondered what it would have been like to watch him play in high school.

I think Bijan might be the closest thing it it we will ever get.

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[Juan Grande]

Fillinger
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3BAHuSgpAR/?utm_source=ig_embed&utm_campaign=dlfix

[Hook Em 88]

Fillinger
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Thats one bad dude.

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Week 6 television schedule.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/schedule/_/week/6

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Updated coaching hot seat now that Rutgers made their move.

https://www.coacheshotseat.com/

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Fillinger
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Van will insist on Herman having Poison and Ratt as practice music.

[texbound]

Van will insist on Herman having Poison and Ratt as practice music.

Didnt Van's dad have a supporting role in grease?
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/grease/images/4/48/Dennis_C._Stewart_as_Leo_Balmudo_-_Grease_1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20151007063810

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[soldierhorn]

Van will insist on Herman having Poison and Ratt as practice music.

I guess it's a good thing i have no idea whom y'all are talking about

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[Kermit]

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I hate the 11 am kickoff for this game. It’s stupid, and it always has been. 2:30 pm bitches.

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I guess it's a good thing i have no idea whom y'all are talking about

Check out the Instagram link above.

Fillinger is an 80s throwback.

https://247sports.com/player/van-fillinger-46056161/

[Hook Em 88]

I hate the 11 am kickoff for this game. It’s stupid, and it always has been. 2:30 pm bitches.

This game should always be under the lights at prime time 630-7pm kickoff. I’ll never understand a game of this magnitude being played so early. If it’s too much danger for fans find another stadium.

[strangetex]

This game should always be under the lights at prime time 630-7pm kickoff. I’ll never understand a game of this magnitude being played so early. If it’s too much danger for fans find another stadium.

I wholeheartedly concur.

[Vito Corleone]

Van's GF is the norm for the Sandy/Draper area. I think they have laws prohibiting women from living there unless they are a hot blond.

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[Randolph Duke]

This game should always be under the lights at prime time 630-7pm kickoff. I’ll never understand a game of this magnitude being played so early. If it’s too much danger for fans find another stadium.

I believe 1923 was the last year the UT/OU game was played at a venue other than in Dallas. I have been trying for the past year to get the powers that be at UT and OU to honor that centennial by doing a two year, home and home series on the campuses at night. Not sure how successful I will be, but it is being promoted.

[Vito Corleone]

I believe 1923 was the last year the UT/OU game was played at a venue other than in Dallas. I have been trying for the past year to get the powers that be at UT and OU to honor that centennial by doing a two year, home and home series on the campuses at night. Not sure how successful I will be, but it is being promoted.

Wasn't it 20 or so years ago that the Cotton bowl had a renovation and that was when it first got stadium lights. I'm thinking Texas blOwU has pretty much always been a 11 am to 2:30 pm kickoff.

BTW I will be pissed if this game is played anywhere but the Cotton bowl. However, if they did move to a home and home, Texas should dangle the state fair game to aggsy to see if they will bite.

[Kermit]

Jesus Christ, people will die if that game is played at night in Norman.

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[pgardn]

Wasn't it 20 or so years ago that the Cotton bowl had a renovation and that was when it first got stadium lights. I'm thinking Texas blOwU has pretty much always been a 11 am to 2:30 pm kickoff.

BTW I will be pissed if this game is played anywhere but the Cotton bowl. However, if they did move to a home and home, Texas should dangle the state fair game to aggsy to see if they will bite.

Aggie does not need us.
They are a member of the SEC.
Honor that membership dammit.

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yeah, this pretty much sucks to me. Sure, I get the notion of kids and "deserving" to be paid, etc. There are arguments that can be made on either side.
I just hate to see the game become nothing more than another pro league in a sense, only that kids are going to school too.
The idea of the amateur athlete has long been strained due to under the table payments, etc, but combined with the portal this year, it pushes any notion of "school pride" and "playing for the love of the game" further out to pasture.

It's like the NFL once more states pass legislation accordingly.

Sad.

[Vito Corleone]

yeah, this pretty much sucks to me. Sure, I get the notion of kids and "deserving" to be paid, etc. There are arguments that can be made on either side.
I just hate to see the game become nothing more than another pro league in a sense, only that kids are going to school too.
The idea of the amateur athlete has long been strained due to under the table payments, etc, but combined with the portal this year, it pushes any notion of "school pride" and "playing for the love of the game" further out to pasture.

It's like the NFL once more states pass legislation accordingly.

Sad.

Pretty sure you are going to see about 50% of schools drop athletics all together if this happens. At some point the cost out ways the benefits.

[pgardn]

yeah, this pretty much sucks to me. Sure, I get the notion of kids and "deserving" to be paid, etc. There are arguments that can be made on either side.
I just hate to see the game become nothing more than another pro league in a sense, only that kids are going to school too.
The idea of the amateur athlete has long been strained due to under the table payments, etc, but combined with the portal this year, it pushes any notion of "school pride" and "playing for the love of the game" further out to pasture.

It's like the NFL once more states pass legislation accordingly.

Sad.

Deserving definitely includes entertainment value if you are a professional athlete paid for your name recognition.
Good luck to the offensive guards, they most likely wont need agents in college.
The number of problems this will create with equity issues could be massive.

And Im out if this plays out like the pros.
Done.
I'll just go watch more HS games.

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[Vito Corleone]

Texas is one of a hand full of schools that actually make money off of athletics. This means nothing when no one else has a program to play against. Just a guess, but I think you will see schools drawing up some kind of contract that basically says they give up their rights when they sign their scholarship. Or maybe if they make money it has to come through the school and the school gets a cut. Might even be like researchers where the school gets part of what the researcher invents when he does it using school facilities.

It's a huge can of worms. Figures this crap would all start in California.

[DMX7]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KFLxcah74Y&feature=youtu.be

Jeff is apparently a pretty smart guy. I believe he also had a Stanford scholarship offer.

[Vito Corleone]

Jeff is apparently a pretty smart guy. I believe he also had a Stanford scholarship offer.

He is also finally playing up to his ability. I think he is going to be all conference this year.

[Randolph Duke]

Texas is one of a hand full of schools that actually make money off of athletics. This means nothing when no one else has a program to play against. Just a guess, but I think you will see schools drawing up some kind of contract that basically says they give up their rights when they sign their scholarship. Or maybe if they make money it has to come through the school and the school gets a cut. Might even be like researchers where the school gets part of what the researcher invents when he does it using school facilities.

It's a huge can of worms. Figures this crap would all start in California.

The terms of the contract would have to apply to all students equally, so you are saying the schools would tell all students receiving aid of any sort the instution that they must give a portion of their private earnings from any source to the institution in return for the financial aid.

I'm not sure that would fly.

In reality, if this gets passed, it will be horribly abused for at least the first few years, and then various regulations will be put in place to curb those abuses. Individuals will find ways to circumvent those regulations, and additional regulations will be put in place to curb the abuses. Regulations will continuiously be behind the tactics for abuse and the enforcement of the regulations will vary drastically from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.

That's how most of life works.

There will be schools better suited than others to have their athletes paid absurd amounts of money. Agents will pop up to negotiate deals for college athletes and that will lead to abuses. Some players will be incredibly self destructive with their financial windfall. Most probably, in a number of states, taxpayers will question why they are subsidizing scholarships and athletics facilities for individuals who have no interest (or financial incentive) in obtaining an education and have the financial wherewithall to pay for their education (and facilities) out of pocket. If the money for scholarships for men's sports are reduced because the athletes have the ability to pay out of pocket, that will affect the money allocated to women's sports (Title IX). Once the athletes are paid for endorsements, the tax exempt status of college athletics will be reviewed and donations to college athletics facilities will no longer be deductible.

In time, I can see a number of schools breaking off from the existing structure and forming a new athletics organization focused on smaller scale intercollegiate athletics where the participants are actually students with a legitimate interest in obtaining an education and who also enjoy athletic competition.

[Trill Clinton]

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Good. Crazy these kids can't monetize their youtube pages to make extra cash.

[TFloss32]

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[TFloss32]

Can someone loan me some cash?

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[SlickStreet]

Pretty sure you are going to see about 50% of schools drop athletics all together if this happens. At some point the cost out ways the benefits.

yeah, that's another point to consider: what about the comparative "have nots?" Perhaps they'll drop down to another level, but I'm not sure what that's going to look like.
Changing times for sure

[SlickStreet]

Deserving definitely includes entertainment value if you are a professional athlete paid for your name recognition.
Good luck to the offensive guards, they most likely wont need agents in college.
The number of problems this will create with equity issues could be massive.

And Im out if this plays out like the pros.
Done.
I'll just go watch more HS games.
I tend this way too, at least to some extent, and that's before it goes into effect. The aftermath might be worse than imagined, though time will tell.
Pandora's box of sorts imo.

[SlickStreet]

Texas is one of a hand full of schools that actually make money off of athletics. This means nothing when no one else has a program to play against. Just a guess, but I think you will see schools drawing up some kind of contract that basically says they give up their rights when they sign their scholarship. Or maybe if they make money it has to come through the school and the school gets a cut. Might even be like researchers where the school gets part of what the researcher invents when he does it using school facilities.

It's a huge can of worms. Figures this crap would all start in California.

that's another thing; everyone always screams how the players are screwed not getting their cut of all this money--but, yeah, how many schools really make meaningful money in football, and what about all the other sports (where the money is actually in the losing area)?
How many schools can truly afford to pay players what they're "worth" and then how many times will we see said players demand to be recompensed for being "underpaid" when they hear of the next big time talent making such-and-such?

the whole thing reeks of total professionalism, to put it mildly.

[soldierhorn]

Texas is one of a hand full of schools that actually make money off of athletics. This means nothing when no one else has a program to play against. Just a guess, but I think you will see schools drawing up some kind of contract that basically says they give up their rights when they sign their scholarship. Or maybe if they make money it has to come through the school and the school gets a cut. Might even be like researchers where the school gets part of what the researcher invents when he does it using school facilities.
It's a huge can of worms. Figures this crap would all start in California.

I dont know if it makes any difference if it doesnt involve the school but it will be a headache for the ncaa. Olympic athletes in other sports take advantage of the olympic revenue model, which is essentially funnels endorsements to the athlete. From what I understand, the cali law allows players to receive revenue from endorsements and, esp from the commercialization of their likeness, which allows for the olympic revenue model. if this is all it is, then it doesnt affect the school at all.

There is, however, no way for the ncaa to control it. The ncaa can not control what is done in secret now, I can imagine how bad it could (would) get if businesses could endorse players. wow. Big Red Auto wouldnt have to pretend to employ 17 players, they could just endorse them.

[Trill Clinton]

TFloss32 I see you have a hornssports avi on twitter now. Did you get a new gig? If so, congrats!

[playblair]

TFloss32 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=16684) I see you have a hornssports avi on twitter now. Did you get a new gig? If so, congrats!

yep playblair was right he called this the moment TFloss32 posted he had a twitter account...........

https://www.hornsports.com/forums/topic/20205-welcoming-new-mod-tfloss32/

[soldierhorn]

that's another thing; everyone always screams how the players are screwed not getting their cut of all this money--but, yeah, how many schools really make meaningful money in football, and what about all the other sports (where the money is actually in the losing area)?
How many schools can truly afford to pay players what they're "worth" and then how many times will we see said players demand to be recompensed for being "underpaid" when they hear of the next big time talent making such-and-such?
the whole thing reeks of total professionalism, to put it mildly.

SS, I remember a discussion on the Longhorn Scout board a long time ago about a similar topic. Apparently, before 1953, players could be paid to play sports. aggy often did this and their 1939 team supposedly had paid players from south Texas but it wasnt illegal by the ncaa then. However, there was a court case in 1953 between a colorado player and a school (colorado st?) that centered around workman's comp. The player logically stated that if players can be paid (making them an employee), then a hurt player should receive workman's comp. There was even less money in sports back then (a lot less than there is today) and schools collectively were concerned that if the player wins the case and schools have to pay workman's comp (esp in football since football finances all the other sports), then virtually ALL athletic departments would be insolvent and would have to go back to being club sports or discontinue entirely. The ncaa came to the defense of the school and schools collectively pointing out the obvious consequence if the ruling supports the player. The ncaa argued that college sports was meant to be played by amateurs and first used the term "student-athlete." However tenuous the argument was at the time, the judge sided with the school(s) and ncaa and the student-athlete amateur status was adopted.

Before the Larry Scott cobbled the PAC12 together increasing revenues slightly for most of the conference schools, some PAC programs such as CAL were already on the brink of cutting some athletic teams in order to keep their athletic department solvent or acceptably in the red. If schools are determined to be responsible for any revenues funneled to athletes (esp schools sponsoring 30+ teams), then a lot of schools will have to turn 1/3 or more of their athletic departments into club sports. Should that happen anyway? maybe (yes) but I dont know. If players are determined to be employees or schools employers of the athletes, then a lot of things kick in such as workman's comp, taxes of all sorts, leave and family leave, on and on. That could throw athletic departments back over 70 yrs and into a tailspin. Is that a good thing? Do athletic departments need to cut the fat anyway?

I think people will realize the unintended consequence of attaching any revenue requirements to the schools themselves. AND, not just for P5 programs - ALL sports at ALL levels, including FCS, Div2, Div3, NAIA, etc. Or, if the revenue supporting schools and majority of school presidents agree, the ncaa can just say that players have the right to receive endorsements... but that doesnt mean they have a right to participate in the club (ncaa) if it violates club by-laws. Even as big as it is, I think legally the ncaa is still just a club and clubs can set their own rules and by-laws. the player can then choose to abide by the club rules or leave the club.

[SlickStreet]

SS, I remember a discussion on the Longhorn Scout board a long time ago about a similar topic. Apparently, before 1953, players could be paid to play sports. aggy often did this and their 1939 team supposedly had paid players from south Texas but it wasnt illegal by the ncaa then. However, there was a court case in 1953 between a colorado player and a school (colorado st?) that centered around workman's comp. The player logically stated that if players can be paid (making them an employee), then a hurt player should receive workman's comp. There was even less money in sports back then (a lot less than there is today) and schools collectively were concerned that if the player wins the case and schools have to pay workman's comp (esp in football since football finances all the other sports), then virtually ALL athletic departments would be insolvent and would have to go back to being club sports or discontinue entirely. The ncaa came to the defense of the school and schools collectively pointing out the obvious consequence if the ruling supports the player. The ncaa argued that college sports was meant to be played by amateurs and first used the term "student-athlete." However tenuous the argument was at the time, the judge sided with the school(s) and ncaa and the student-athlete amateur status was adopted.

Before the Larry Scott cobbled the PAC12 together increasing revenues slightly for most of the conference schools, some PAC programs such as CAL were already on the brink of cutting some athletic teams in order to keep their athletic department solvent or acceptably in the red. If schools are determined to be responsible for any revenues funneled to athletes (esp schools sponsoring 30+ teams), then a lot of schools will have to turn 1/3 or more of their athletic departments into club sports. Should that happen anyway? maybe (yes) but I dont know. If players are determined to be employees or schools employers of the athletes, then a lot of things kick in such as workman's comp, taxes of all sorts, leave and family leave, on and on. That could throw athletic departments back over 70 yrs and into a tailspin. Is that a good thing? Do athletic departments need to cut the fat anyway?

I think people will realize the unintended consequence of attaching any revenue requirements to the schools themselves. AND, not just for P5 programs - ALL sports at ALL levels, including FCS, Div2, Div3, NAIA, etc. Or, if the revenue supporting schools and majority of school presidents agree, the ncaa can just say that players have the right to receive endorsements... but that doesnt mean they have a right to participate in the club (ncaa) if it violates club by-laws. Even as big as it is, I think legally the ncaa is still just a club and clubs can set their own rules and by-laws. the player can then choose to abide by the club rules or leave the club.

good stuff, soldier'. A lot to contemplate, imo.
friend of mine brought up the point that if some states allow for this while others don't, then schools in the former states would have a huge recruiting advantage (seemingly, at least).

[TFloss32]

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[pgardn]

Just go to minor leagues like baseball.
Then neither I or the majority of current viewers will watch it.
Associate it with NFL teams and not schools.

[Randolph Duke]

SS, I remember a discussion on the Longhorn Scout board a long time ago about a similar topic. Apparently, before 1953, players could be paid to play sports. aggy often did this and their 1939 team supposedly had paid players from south Texas but it wasnt illegal by the ncaa then. However, there was a court case in 1953 between a colorado player and a school (colorado st?) that centered around workman's comp. The player logically stated that if players can be paid (making them an employee), then a hurt player should receive workman's comp. There was even less money in sports back then (a lot less than there is today) and schools collectively were concerned that if the player wins the case and schools have to pay workman's comp (esp in football since football finances all the other sports), then virtually ALL athletic departments would be insolvent and would have to go back to being club sports or discontinue entirely. The ncaa came to the defense of the school and schools collectively pointing out the obvious consequence if the ruling supports the player. The ncaa argued that college sports was meant to be played by amateurs and first used the term "student-athlete." However tenuous the argument was at the time, the judge sided with the school(s) and ncaa and the student-athlete amateur status was adopted.

Before the Larry Scott cobbled the PAC12 together increasing revenues slightly for most of the conference schools, some PAC programs such as CAL were already on the brink of cutting some athletic teams in order to keep their athletic department solvent or acceptably in the red. If schools are determined to be responsible for any revenues funneled to athletes (esp schools sponsoring 30+ teams), then a lot of schools will have to turn 1/3 or more of their athletic departments into club sports. Should that happen anyway? maybe (yes) but I dont know. If players are determined to be employees or schools employers of the athletes, then a lot of things kick in such as workman's comp, taxes of all sorts, leave and family leave, on and on. That could throw athletic departments back over 70 yrs and into a tailspin. Is that a good thing? Do athletic departments need to cut the fat anyway?

I think people will realize the unintended consequence of attaching any revenue requirements to the schools themselves. AND, not just for P5 programs - ALL sports at ALL levels, including FCS, Div2, Div3, NAIA, etc. Or, if the revenue supporting schools and majority of school presidents agree, the ncaa can just say that players have the right to receive endorsements... but that doesnt mean they have a right to participate in the club (ncaa) if it violates club by-laws. Even as big as it is, I think legally the ncaa is still just a club and clubs can set their own rules and by-laws. the player can then choose to abide by the club rules or leave the club.

In the pre-WWII era, individual conferences set the rules, not the NCAA. After WWII, there was a huge surge in popularity of college football and the disparity in what financial rewards scholarships afforded. Not surprisingly, the southern schools were very aggressive in financial offerings (some schools offered money for tuition, room, and board even to returning GI’s whose expenses were already being paid by the GI Bill). Relationships between northern and southern schools were somewhat distant as racial segregation in the south lead most northern teams to avoid scheduling southern teams, especially if the game was to be played in the south where black players were often not allowed. This divide also lead to competing national championship claims as top southern and top northern teams didn't often meet to help voters decide on a national champion.

In 1948, the northern schools were at a disadvantage and at that year's NCAA convention they proposed that the NCAA set the standards, not the individual conferences. That year, at the NCAA convention, the "Sanity Code" was agreed upon. It stated no athletic scholarships were allowed, but off-season jobs were allowed, as long as the pay was limited to NCAA standards.

At the 1952 NCAA convention, it was complained that seven schools (the "Sinful Seven"-Virginia, Maryland, V.M.I., V.P.I., The Citadel, Boston College and Villanova) were violating the Sanity Code by still offering scholarships. There was a vote taken to decide on a punishment, and that vote failed. Essentially the Sanity Code was dead and there were no rules for the next year.

At the 1953 convention, it was agreed scholarships would be allowed and rules regulating recruiting were established, to be administered under the auspices of the NCAA. The west coast schools (Cal, UCLA, Washington, and USC) established slush funds to pay recruits added incentives under the table. The Big 10 schools adopted athletic scholarships grudgingly, pairing them with higher academic standards for recruits. This led to a period in the late 1950's where the Big 10 went from the country's toughest conference to being no better than any other. And off we were to the current era of college sports.

Workman’s comp had nothing to do with establishment of scholarships, recruiting rules, or the rise in power of the NCAA.

[TFloss32]

2022 ATH Kaden Saunders (Westerville, OH)

This kid visited UT earlier in the year, and has a connection to Coach Drayton.

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https://247sports.com/Player/Kaden-Saunders-46081196/

[TFloss32]

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[TFloss32]

UTSA in pretty bad shape right now.

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[soldierhorn]

Workman’s comp had nothing to do with establishment of scholarships, recruiting rules, or the rise in power of the NCAA.


I didnt say it did. you used a lot of words to miss the point completely

[TFloss32]

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[rjv]

If y'all didn't know what rjv looks like.

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That would have been me at the Steele-Clemens game last Friday. Staring down the officials.

[TFloss32]

That would have been me at the Steele-Clemens game last Friday. Staring down the officials.

I automatically thought of you, man.

Too funny.

[SlickStreet]

In the pre-WWII era, individual conferences set the rules, not the NCAA. After WWII, there was a huge surge in popularity of college football and the disparity in what financial rewards scholarships afforded. Not surprisingly, the southern schools were very aggressive in financial offerings (some schools offered money for tuition, room, and board even to returning GI’s whose expenses were already being paid by the GI Bill). Relationships between northern and southern schools were somewhat distant as racial segregation in the south lead most northern teams to avoid scheduling southern teams, especially if the game was to be played in the south where black players were often not allowed. This divide also lead to competing national championship claims as top southern and top northern teams didn't often meet to help voters decide on a national champion.

In 1948, the northern schools were at a disadvantage and at that year's NCAA convention they proposed that the NCAA set the standards, not the individual conferences. That year, at the NCAA convention, the "Sanity Code" was agreed upon. It stated no athletic scholarships were allowed, but off-season jobs were allowed, as long as the pay was limited to NCAA standards.

At the 1952 NCAA convention, it was complained that seven schools (the "Sinful Seven"-Virginia, Maryland, V.M.I., V.P.I., The Citadel, Boston College and Villanova) were violating the Sanity Code by still offering scholarships. There was a vote taken to decide on a punishment, and that vote failed. Essentially the Sanity Code was dead and there were no rules for the next year.

At the 1953 convention, it was agreed scholarships would be allowed and rules regulating recruiting were established, to be administered under the auspices of the NCAA. The west coast schools (Cal, UCLA, Washington, and USC) established slush funds to pay recruits added incentives under the table. The Big 10 schools adopted athletic scholarships grudgingly, pairing them with higher academic standards for recruits. This led to a period in the late 1950's where the Big 10 went from the country's toughest conference to being no better than any other. And off we were to the current era of college sports.

Workman’s comp had nothing to do with establishment of scholarships, recruiting rules, or the rise in power of the NCAA.






sounds like you've read some of the books I have, Randolph. At one time, i was pretty immersed in the pre and post WWII era goings-ons, then also enjoying seeing the trend changes to the one platoon game from about 1953-'64/65 era.
It's fascinating to a college football fanatic like myself.

[Jbug]

I automatically thought of you, man.

Too funny.

Anything good from Donovan Jackson's recent articles from Rivals and Roach? Supposedly no mention of a&m and he didn't have anything positive to say after the Auburn game.

[TFloss32]

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[Hook Em 88]

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Please never let him host one of our OL prospects.

[TFloss32]

Please never let him host one of our OL prospects.

Definitely need to get him to Eddie V's or something.

[TFloss32]

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[I'm confused]

I've heard the justifications regarding these pay the football and basketball players on this side (I'm paraphrasing)... whereas everyone makes money except the players. I've seen athletes on TV over the last couple of days stating their case... the one thing that strikes me is that these kids chose to play... if you dont like not being paid then don't play... no one is making them play.

[TFloss32]

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[pgardn]

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This mess is not well thought out at all.

Players benefit off their likeness... ? So if my kid wants a Sam Ehlinger doll, tough luck to Derek Kerstetter ya big fat ugly Chipotle loving lineman.
Damn right we dont know what it looks like. I dont like someone else making money off of Ehlinger either, but the potential mess starting in High School, is enormous. Just think about how Universities push Heisman candidates now... this could be absolutely off the charts nuts. UT having a major part of the athletic program pushing advertising for particular players. Or just rogue agents taking kids and parents aside and bidding among Universities for kids begins...
Then they transfer after a successful year to a bigger market " Im taking my talents to USC, and I got a group of buddies from other schools gonna join me. We will start our own advertising company under the direction of The KingOfFootwork"

Im gone.

Please think this through.

[TFloss32]

Anything good from Donovan Jackson's recent articles from Rivals and Roach? Supposedly no mention of a&m and he didn't have anything positive to say after the Auburn game.

Read like Ohio State and Texas are on top.

"The University of Texas, Coach (Tom) Herman and Coach (Herb) Hand reached out to me and I had a great conversation with them. I have a great relationship with the whole staff. They hit me up on midnight on the dot and said, 'Hey, what's up?' and basically started a conversation from there. Ten minutes later, Coach Herman sent me a long, lengthy paragraph about how much Texas wants me there and I appreciated that."

[Kermit]

Can y’all motherfuckers start a NCAA IS THE DEVIL THREAD? Cause it doesn’t start until 2023, there’s going to be lawsuits that reach the Supreme Court, and nobody gives a shit. Except maybe Randolph Duke.

[TFloss32]

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[TFloss32]

2021 DE Landon Jackson (Texarkana Pleasant Grove)

Kid is having a hell of a year after missing a lot of his sophomore year due to injury.

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https://247sports.com/Player/Landon-Jackson-46049327/

[TFloss32]

Herman checking on 2021 OL Hayden Conner and 2021 OL Bryce Foster at Katy Taylor.

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[irvin88]

TFloss, do you know why they don't provide video of the weekly player interviews? Other programs do but Texas doesn't seem to do it.

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[rjv]

Can y’all motherfuckers start a NCAA IS THE DEVIL THREAD? Cause it doesn’t start until 2023, there’s going to be lawsuits that reach the Supreme Court, and nobody gives a shit. Except maybe Randolph Duke.

congress is likely to step in as well with their own legislation. the likely endgame will be some version of the current olympic model.

[rjv]

This mess is not well thought out at all.

Players benefit off their likeness... ? So if my kid wants a Sam Ehlinger doll, tough luck to Derek Kerstetter ya big fat ugly Chipotle loving lineman.
Damn right we dont know what it looks like. I dont like someone else making money off of Ehlinger either, but the potential mess starting in High School, is enormous. Just think about how Universities push Heisman candidates now... this could be absolutely off the charts nuts. UT having a major part of the athletic program pushing advertising for particular players. Or just rogue agents taking kids and parents aside and bidding among Universities for kids begins...
Then they transfer after a successful year to a bigger market " Im taking my talents to USC, and I got a group of buddies from other schools gonna join me. We will start our own advertising company under the direction of The KingOfFootwork"

Im gone.

Please think this through.

still not sure how this will all sort out but one element of this legislation that seems to garnish a lot of attention is in regards to the idea of disproportion. in many ways, the athletes are already used to this meritocracy in regards to playing time. and they're not always handling it well as we see through the increased traffic in the transfer portal.

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[TFloss32]

TFloss, do you know why they don't provide video of the weekly player interviews? Other programs do but Texas doesn't seem to do it.

I honestly don't know.

It's probably their media department's preferred way of doing things.

[TFloss32]

2021 DE Tunmise Adeleye (Katy Tompkins)

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https://247sports.com/Player/Tunmise-Adeleye-46050288/

[TFloss32]

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[Kermit]

congress is likely to step in as well with their own legislation. the likely endgame will be some version of the current olympic model.

They’re preoccupied for probably the next fifteen years.

[rjv]

They’re preoccupied for probably the next fifteen years.

obviously more important things to deal with but that's never stopped washington before; the proposed legislation is H.R. 1804, referred to as the Student-Athlete Equity Act. it's been referred to the Ways and Means Committee (it will probably die somewhere along the way, but there will be more to follow).

[TFloss32]

I have not seen this mentioned anywhere, but just something I'm looking out for.

LB Jaqwondis Burns transferred from Terrell to Dallas Skyline with Alexander, so maybe he'll show up tonight even though he's committed to Ole Miss

https://247sports.com/Player/Jaqwondis-Burns-46078938/

https://www.hudl.com/profile/7897193/Jaqwondis-Burns


Burns is now at IMG after his transfer to Dallas Skyline was ruled ineligible.

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[TFloss32]

Inside Texas mentioned Coach Orlando was in Florida last week to see Burns.

[TFloss32]

2021 OL Hayden Conner of Katy Taylor told The Football Brainiacs that he and 2021 QB Jalen Milroe are working hard on a Houston area recruit who is on the verge of committing.

[Hook Em 88]

2021 OL Hayden Conner of Katy Taylor told The Football Brainiacs that he and 2021 QB Jalen Milroe are working hard on a Houston area recruit who is on the verge of committing.

Please be Foster...

[TFloss32]

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[pgardn]

obviously more important things to deal with but that's never stopped washington before; the proposed legislation is H.R. 1804, referred to as the Student-Athlete Equity Act. it's been referred to the Ways and Means Committee (it will probably die somewhere along the way, but there will be more to follow).

I have no problem getting more money to the kids instead of some bureaucrat sitting in a plush NCAA office. But the equity part... Look at the pay scale for QBs in the NFL v. other positions... Then add in endorsements. There is very little equity in the free market. And NFL teams can just cut a player. This has so many ways of becoming a huge mess. The transfer portal was much more simple and seemed to right an obvious wrong (coach can leave, but I’m stuck). It has turned on its head. It will be interesting to see Oklahoma have a senior QB every year in the running for a Heisman. Maybe OU can work something with a Div II teams to groom QBs before they transfer. Learn how to run their offense, like a MS for a HS.

But whatever. I completely dropped the pros, I can do it with college.

[TFloss32]

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[Hook Em 88]

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Thats hilarious...

[pgardn]

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What the hell is going on in Dallas?

Most likely dead ponies on the highway.