2020 Texas Longhorns Recruiting Thread

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[GregoryJim]

Just read on Bama blog they are interested in Orlando. Saban VERY impressed Horns held LSU to 20 in first half. Wants to pick his brain on how to hold Tigers to less than 46.

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[pgardn]

Just read on Bama blog they are interested in Orlando. Saban VERY impressed Horns held LSU to 20 in first half. Wants to pick his brain on how to hold Tigers to less than 46.

Hah...

The Big 12 type offenses enter the SEC

Burrow 33 out of 38.
Welcome to great athletes in space.

I don’t think Orlando is the one to ask right now. He has thought so hard on scheming his head exploded.

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[pgardn]

We can’t play a complete game.

Parts of the 2nd half look so easy and then we make it difficult again with dumb errors.
I guess it’s supposedly ok if the errors are at full speed. I rather just not make so many mistakes.

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I've seen a few rumors tonight that Arkansas fired Chad Morris after they got destroyed 45-19 at home by Western Kentucky.

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Michigan State may be giving Dantonio the boot.

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[Billybass]

Not sure what was up with Jalen Green today. That targeting was a cheap shot that reflects poorly on our team. If he does anything like that again he should be booted off the team.

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2021 ATH Jonathon Brooks (Hallettsville)

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https://www.hudl.com/profile/8423068/Jonathon-Brooks

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[texas4ever]

https://youtu.be/3ud2IyCulNQ

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I've seen a few rumors tonight that Arkansas fired Chad Morris after they got destroyed 45-19 at home by Western Kentucky.

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[Eastexhorn]

We can’t play a complete game.

Parts of the 2nd half look so easy and then we make it difficult again with dumb errors.
I guess it’s supposedly ok if the errors are at full speed. I rather just not make so many mistakes.
Why does wins seen so much like loses? Then the number one Nd number two teams did not look so good at times.

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[texas4ever]

We need OU to beat Baylor and we win out (not holding my breath here) and we're in the title game. Does that about some-up our chances?

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LB Jaqwondis Burns (IMG Academy)

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https://247sports.com/player/jaqwondis-burns-46078938/

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The Football Brainiacs have him on de-commitments watch.

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[Blake]

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They should have never left the SWC.

Aggies didn't learn from Arkys mistake

[Bloeddyr10]

The Football Brainiacs have him on de-commitments watch.

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Damn.. Him, Milroe and the Denton Ryan duo are musts for 2021.

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Wut.

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OU is going to destroy Baylor

[Blake]

Michigan State may be giving Dantonio the boot.

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Illinois having a fun year

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Week 12 television schedule.

Tuesday and Wednesday games again.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/schedule/_/week/12

[Das Texan]

Illinois having a fun year

Wasnt Lovie Smith left for dead earlier this year?

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The Football Brainiacs have him on de-commitments watch.

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OrangeBloods confirmed this one doesn't look good.

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Wasnt Lovie Smith left for dead earlier this year?

Very much on the hot seat before this season.

[pgardn]

Wut.

If you watched the Texas game and the Iowa St. game this weekend... very fair line (Probably just 7 because Texas has not been blown out on the scoreboard but they have on the field.) It’s in Ames as well.

Edit: I just realized you may think Iowa St. should be giving more points.

[pgardn]

OrangeBloods confirmed this one doesn't look good.

We got a year to get him back... I guess.

[Blake]

If you watched the Texas game and the Iowa St. game this weekend... very fair line (Probably just 7 because Texas has not been blown out on the scoreboard but they have on the field.) It’s in Ames as well.

Edit: I just realized you may think Iowa St. should be giving more points.

Iowa St giving 7 is way too many. Real line should be cyclones by 2.5

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A handful of LSU crystal balls have come in for RB Zach Evans.

[Blake]

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Can't see Dykes or Leach leaving their comfortable spots.

Lane Kiffin would be the noisiest pick

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OrangeBloods mentioned ATH Kelvontay Dixon of Carthage was in Austin on Saturday.

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Can't see Dykes or Leach leaving their comfortable spots.

Lane Kiffin would be the noisiest pick

I'm waiting to see if Brady from LSU gets any head coaching offers.

[pgardn]

Iowa St giving 7 is way too many. Real line should be cyclones by 2.5

I would not touch either taking Texas.
I hope im very wrong.

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Updated coaches hot seat after Arkansas made their move.

http://coacheshotseat.com/

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LB Jaqwondis Burns (IMG Academy)

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https://247sports.com/player/jaqwondis-burns-46078938/

24/7 thinks UT did enough this weekend to flip Burns from Ole Miss.

They believe it will be hard for him to turn down a chance to play close to home.

[Blake]

I would not touch either taking Texas.
I hope im very wrong.

I would definitely take the horns plus the points.

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[Blake]

But has Will appointed a coach in waiting

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[texas4ever]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lyvb93_f5Os&list=PL53A4EEF5F4C90A36&index= 3&t=0s

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2021 LB Terrence Cooks (Pearland Shadow Creek)

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2021 LB Terrence Cooks (Pearland Shadow Creek)

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OU offered a few minutes later.

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[Vito Corleone]

I love the respect my decision line. Good player, but I'm going to go ahead and respect his decision and not really care one way or another. This team has bigger issues than a 2021 recruit.

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[bluetrumpet]

How is the recruiting front looking and potential commitments/decommitments coming up? Any idea how our class finishes in regards to what pieces we are missing and what needs we have from this class?

[Blake]

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Dude's a first round pick for sho

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^:lol

[Eastexhorn]

How is the recruiting front looking and potential commitments/decommitments coming up? Any idea how our class finishes in regards to what pieces we are missing and what needs we have from this class?
IMO class should flnlsh in top five? Need a couple of LBS and a OL toround out depth.
If Moore is gone need one more WR.

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Inside Texas mentioned Texas went by Dallas South Oak Cliff last week and checked on 2021 LB Jai Jones.

They think he's a potential offer, although he does have a twin brother and they're Arkansas legacies.

https://247sports.com/Player/Jai-Jones-46055105/

[TFloss32]

How is the recruiting front looking and potential commitments/decommitments coming up? Any idea how our class finishes in regards to what pieces we are missing and what needs we have from this class?

Not the answer you're looking for, but give it until Thanksgiving to see how the next three games go.

If Texas can't finish strong, we may see some more de-commitments and then the coaches will have to recalibrate.

If they do start targeting some new names, that could also be an indication of impending attrition.

For example, my gut says WR Josh Moore won't be back, so Texas may take an extra guy at that position if they feel it's necessary.

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The Football Brainiacs posted that Coach Washington is still recruiting CB Dominick Hill of Orlando, FL and he's looking at using his last official visit to UT in December.

He is the former teammate of LB Marcus Tillman, Jr. and took a trip to Austin over the summer.

https://247sports.com/player/dominick-hill-46038448/

[IvanDrago]

For example, my gut says WR Josh Moore won't be back, so Texas may take an extra guy at that position if they feel it's necessary.

At the beginning of this season when the Josh Moore news broke, we all didn't sweat it, because we were so stacked in the WR room. But with Collin's injuries, Jake Smith's tentative situation, Brewer's injury.....all of a sudden we found ourself in a few games when we'd become one dimensional and that dimension was Duvernay. Teams knew we wanted to go to DD and took that option away. We certainly could have used his services looking back and probably going forward too.

I understand he probably won't be back and I'm not upset about it given the allegations.

[TFloss32]

I was going through Carrington's recent follows and noticed he started following Kansas WRs coach Emmett Jones.

If you aren't familiar with him, he cut his teeth in Dallas for a long time at schools like Seagoville, Lincoln and Skyline before ultimately getting the head gig at South Oak Cliff.

In 2015, Kingsbury hired him away to be on the Tech staff and now he's at Kansas under Miles.

He has a great reputation recruiting Dallas and could be someone Herman looks at to upgrade his staff.

OrangeBloods mentioned one of Herman's analysts, Andre Coleman, as someone who could step in if changes are made on offense.

[TFloss32]

Random recruiting note...Arkansas has lost six Texas commitments since firing Morris on Sunday.

One is Morris' son, Chandler, who was one of their better recruits.

[TFloss32]

At the beginning of this season when the Josh Moore news broke, we all didn't sweat it, because we were so stacked in the WR room. But with Collin's injuries, Jake Smith's tentative situation, Brewer's injury.....all of a sudden we found ourself in a few games when we'd become one dimensional and that dimension was Duvernay. Teams knew we wanted to go to DD and took that option away. We certainly could have used his services looking back and probably going forward too.

I understand he probably won't be back and I'm not upset about it given the allegations.

Not to freak anyone out since I am just typing out loud, but the WR position is odd right now with several question marks.

Is Eagles going to stick around after his suspension?

Is Epps going to move to TE?

Is Smith going to stick it out after the rumors of homesickness and now a lack of playing time?

Is Washington wanting to play closer to home now?

Is Herman going to re-arrange the offensive staff?

You lose C. Johnson and Duvernay to the NFL, so that unit may look totally different in 2020; both coaches and players.

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Inside Texas reporting ATH Dajon Harrison of Hutto has a hairline fracture in one of his legs, so he will miss the playoffs.

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2021 QB Dematrius Davis of Galena Park North Shore commits to Va Tech.

https://247sports.com/Player/Dematrius-Davis-46042948/

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[Vito Corleone]

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LOL
Cotton Bowl - Memphis vs Baylor

Might be the first football game to ever get a negative Nielsen rating.

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And 0% will win the national title

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And 0% will win the national title

Texas can't tackle a soul, but we're still winning it all.

[Kermit]

Texas can't tackle a soul, but we're still winning it all.

I’ll never forget, until the day I die, the attempted tackling on Ceedee Lamb in the Cotton Bowl. I still don’t understand how that happened and it seemed worse live in the stadium.

[Blake]

Texas can't tackle a soul, but we're still winning it all.

Well at least there's an Alamo bowl with a Trojan team waiting at the end. Much better than the Mack Brown days oh wait

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[texas4ever]

Texas can't tackle a soul, but we're still winning it all.

Hey, baby steps now. We tackled a few last week. Maybe we've turned the corner for good.

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I’ll never forget, until the day I die, the attempted tackling on Ceedee Lamb in the Cotton Bowl. I still don’t understand how that happened and it seemed worse live in the stadium.

Vince McMahon would've been proud of some of those flops.

[texas4ever]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxfM64nl99U&list=PL53A4EEF5F4C90A36&index= 2&t=0s

[texas4ever]

Vince McMahon would've been proud of some of those flops.

You can't tackle what you can't see.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxfM64nl99U&list=PL53A4EEF5F4C90A36&index= 2&t=0s

Dude looks like he's aged a ton in a month.

[pgardn]

I think he has a cold

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKyNSHKBwNE&list=PL53A4EEF5F4C90A36&index= 1

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That's pretty good.

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[Blake]

:lol

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[Eastexhorn]

I’ll never forget, until the day I die, the attempted tackling on Ceedee Lamb in the Cotton Bowl. I still don’t understand how that happened and it seemed worse live in the stadium.
Other teams have trouble with Ceedee.IMO one of the hardest to tackle players I have seen this yeat.

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[LaMarcus Bryant]

Has anyone asked Herman where the hell Roschon has been in the gameplan since the OU game? It's like we punished him for running too well against OU.

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[Blake]

Has anyone asked Herman where the hell Roschon has been in the gameplan since the OU game? It's like we punished him for running too well against OU.

No kidding. I feel like they are doing the coddle factor to the other players they promised playing time to their parents or something.

[rjv]

Has anyone asked Herman where the hell Roschon has been in the gameplan since the OU game? It's like we punished him for running too well against OU. my guess would be that his inexperience at the position is hurting him. he probably is a poor pass blocker to boot (at this time). raw talent alone can't make up for other deficiencies.

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No snow, thankfully.

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[CosmicCowboy]

Ugh. Texas starts slow and ugly again. Iowa state getting anything they want.

[leemajors]

enough with that fucking greg davis screen

[Cowhorns01]

About to be 14-0 again

[Kermit]

This team is so fucking predictable.

[woofwoof]

Another week another slow start. Why do we always look like we have no clue what to prepare for.

[Kermit]

Another week another slow start. Why do we always look like we have no clue what to prepare for.

Because Tom Herman sucks. Sorry guys, he fucking sucks. He’s a goddamn fraud. That last play just sealed it for me. He’s an offensive Charlie Strong. That was the worst play call I’ve seen since Greg Davis.

[CosmicCowboy]

This is embarrasing. Such a huge letdown from preseason expectations. Top 10 recruiting classes aren't resulting in a top 10 team.

[CosmicCowboy]

89 total yards in the half. How pathetic is that?

[Kermit]

At least the fucking defense showed up today. It could be so much uglier. And probably should be.

[CosmicCowboy]

And finally a drive. Thank you.

[Kermit]

Lol. Of course.

[Vdem]

They need to cut out Family Friday and work on basics.

[Cowhorns01]

This offense sucks

[benefactor]

I have no idea what they are doing on offense. It's pure dogshit.

[Kermit]

I have no idea what they are doing on offense. It's pure dogshit.

Excellent coaching.

[benefactor]

I can't believe they still have a chance to win this game

[Kermit]

Covering the spread!

[Kermit]

Epps fucking sucks too.

Edit: No Kermit, you fucking suck!

[benefactor]

:lol this bipolar ass team

[IvanDrago]

:lol this bipolar ass team
Seriously. We should ask these guys if they want to come and play the 1st half of games too.

[benefactor]

Holy shit what a bad penalty

[benefactor]

And of course Herman goes full Texans Kubiak wasting two downs with runs and then running a WR screen playing not to lose. Man I've seen this movie too many times.

[Kermit]

No one plays to lose quite like Tom Herman. Punter bailed him out, but now it looks like the defense is going to bail out Iowa State.

[Kermit]

That’s a horrible pass interference call. Absolutely horrible.

[playblair]

texas = aggy circa mid 2000's

[Kermit]

Lol, of course.

[CosmicCowboy]

Thafuck? Offsides for a first down? Shit.

[IvanDrago]

Burn it down. We are idiots.

[playblair]

defensive players dont respect orlando

[Kermit]

Burn it down. We are idiots.

I’ve been saying that all season. This team is dumb. The coaches are dumb. Everyone associated with this football program is on the goddamn spectrum.

[DMX7]

Rarely can you point to a penalty so clearly losing the entire game, but that one was almost impressive.

[CosmicCowboy]

Well fuck. Wonder how many commits we will lose this week?

[benefactor]

texas = aggy circa mid 2000's
Can you still taste Justin Tucker's dick? Go sit down somewhere.

[Kermit]

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[benefactor]

Rarely can you point to a penalty so clearly losing the entire game, but that one was almost impressive.
And I thought the delay on 4th and 5 was bad:lol

[Kermit]

Playblair’s mom is transferring to my cock. Again.

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No words.

[benefactor]

take ur homer glasses off the results dont lie bruh..........texas is going to be mediocre for the foreseeable future.........texas is in the franchoine/slocum/sherman era
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[playblair]

only fix is to hire meyer before usc

[IvanDrago]

No words.
Yup. Not mad. Just resigned and amazed at how we find new ways to show we are a bad, bad team.

[benefactor]

No words.
Conservative play calling, offsides on the FG attempt...it's basically a how to manual on losing a game late.

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[Dennis the Menace]

Urban Meyer in the postgame - “This shouldn’t be happening to Texas. They have the talent. They’ve recruited well with Top 5, Top 6 classes. It’s time to look under the hood and see what’s going on.” Lol

Its time for CDC to earn that salary. He’s in a tough spot though.
- If Herman gets next year he’s coaching for his job. So if you clean house this offseason with assistants, the elites/goods aren’t signing up for that. So Texas is effed.
- If Herman runs it back, Texas is effed.

He’s had 3 years. He’s getting out coached and too arrogant to see his own flaws. I think CDC should back channel it right now to gauge interest with the Urban Meyers of the world.

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Looks like a regular season game against a team that barely lost to OU.

The other game looks like this:

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And this:

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:lol forever a notch on Case McCoy's bedpost

[Cowhorns01]

Yes new coaching. Too many dumb coaching decisions going on in the game. Freaking take the 3 points or at least quit running ehlinger when you have not had a running game all night

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Get it all out, fellas.

I will clean it up later.

[Dennis the Menace]

Get it all out, fellas.

I will clean it up later.

I think Urban Meyer would accept the head coaching job at Texas. He spent some time around the program after Florida situation under Mack’s late tenure. Seemed like it would be a dream job opportunity for him if ever presented to him

[woofwoof]

Charlie had 3 years... how do most teams have a script of plays to run at the beginning of the game, and we consistently, even at home, go 3 and out. Shit needs to change. We shouldnt be this bad. 5 million a year should have a better prepared team. Shit he coached at Iowa State.

[Kermit]

Think of all the crimes Urb could cover up at Texas.

[Trill Clinton]

Get it all out, fellas.

I will clean it up later.

Thank you. Fuck Tom Herman's non coaching ass. He's the Jason Garrett of college coaches.

[Blake]

Covering the spread!

Lol yup

[FrostKing]

Texas' immense entitlement stretches well beyond the football field. Let's be honest, except for a couple specific seasons Texas sports is the biggest underachiever in College athletics for 30+ years. Being the pretty, entitled and arrogant school located in Texas just isn't a good combination. Ultimately you don't have the elite talent of California or Florida. You are very fortunate Nebraska is rotting in the Big10 or they'd also be stealing some of your guys.

[Dennis the Menace]

In 2 years Matt Rhule has taken a 1-11 program back to the top with 3 star recruits. Tom Herman needs more than 3 years with 4 & 5 star recruits to do the same? Surely CDC is smarter than that

[Jbug]

Who would want to come play for this shit show? The 21' class is going to be the most talented class ever in the state of Texas and we are going to blow it.

[FrostKing]

You don't need talent to defeat Iowa State

You need more blue collar guys

[Vito Corleone]

I wanted to write something clever, but I've said all I'm going to say about the Tom Herman era. He is done as far as I'm concerned.

I hope CDC gets the message.

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[bluebellmaniac]

Charlie had 3 years... how do most teams have a script of plays to run at the beginning of the game, and we consistently, even at home, go 3 and out. Shit needs to change. We shouldnt be this bad. 5 million a year should have a better prepared team. Shit he coached at Iowa State.

How the F do you figure that Charlie had 3 yrs? Charlie done had 6 yrs. New coach same as old coach. Time for a coaching change. Now.

[Woodhead]

How the F do you figure that Charlie had 3 yrs? Charlie done had 6 yrs. New coach same as old coach. Time for a coaching change. Now.
Strong had three seasons. Herman is finishing his third season. Assuming they win the next two games Herman will have won 9 more games than Strong did. If they win out including a bowl game Herman should stay another year, but he will start next season on a very hot seat.

[bluebellmaniac]

Strong had three seasons. Herman is finishing his third season. Assuming they win the next two games Herman will have won 9 more games than Strong did. If they win out including a bowl game Herman should stay another year, but he will start next season on a very hot seat.

No woodhead, we ain't playing that game. The only thing that matters is whether we win the conference (time schedule for that was last year), getting into the 4 team playoff (this year), and challenging for a championship thereafter. This is an abortion of a team. The exact same issues under Charlie. Same issues now. This is 6 yrs of Charlie. Time for a change.

[Pelicans78]

I wanted to write something clever, but I've said all I'm going to say about the Tom Herman era. He is done as far as I'm concerned.

I hope CDC gets the message.

Maybe the coaches aren’t the problem.

[bluebellmaniac]

Maybe the coaches aren’t the problem.

It's the freakin waterboy's fault. Same damn waterboy for 6 freakin years.

[longhorncliff]

I don't see how we beat Baylor.

[benefactor]

I don't see how we beat Baylor.
Just wait for it. Herman will go full Georgia and save his own ass for another year.

[Dennis the Menace]

I don't see how we beat Baylor despite having 2x the talent.

FIFY. Get Urban Meyer. Winning shouldn’t be this “hard” against the Iowa State’s, Kansas, Tech’s, etc in year 3.

Also Herman’s specialty is offense. That side of the ball has been getting worse as the year progresses. That’s been a huge red flag for all to see.

[woofwoof]

The point I was making is that Charlie Strong had 3 years to fix the issue. He didnt, he was fired. Herman has had 3 years and the same unpredictable Texas team, that Strong put out there. As hard as the players were working, following their directions, they deserve better. And if not them, the fans do for sure. Where is red at saying TH should just be offensive coordinator?

[Blake]

How the F do you figure that Charlie had 3 yrs? Charlie done had 6 yrs. New coach same as old coach. Time for a coaching change. Now.

I know longhorn nation can afford a buyout but that's still pretty damn expensive to fire him now

[Blake]

I don't see how we beat Baylor.

UT is still more talented on paper.

Damn Rhule is one hell of a coach though

[elbamba1]

The point I was making is that Charlie Strong had 3 years to fix the issue. He didnt, he was fired. Herman has had 3 years and the same unpredictable Texas team, that Strong put out there. As hard as the players were working, following their directions, they deserve better. And if not them, the fans do for sure. Where is red at saying TH should just be offensive coordinator?

While I agree with you that Herman should get the boot, I would say that Strong did nothing in 3 years and last year Herman did manage to beat Oklahoma and Georgia in a New Years game. Strong would have won 6 games last year tops. Herman is a better coach than Strong, but that is not much of a compliment.

[ProgramaticNonFit]

Texas fails to come through in close game with Iowa State, leaving Longhorns fans in miseryTexas fans are going to focus on the losses, but that’s not the real story about the failure of the Tom Herman era. It’s actually the close games.
Over the last two seasons, the Longhorns have played an astounding 16 games that have been decided by seven points or fewer. In other words, among the last 24 games Texas has played, two-thirds of them have basically come down to a coin flip. While that may be a bit of a statistical oversimplification, the larger point is that Texas is playing on a knife’s edge practically every week. And when that happens over and over again, the numbers are eventually going to catch up to you.
So when you consider that Texas has actually done pretty well in those close games with a 10-6 record over the last two seasons, the bottom-line takeaway is that the Longhorns are somewhat fortunate they haven’t lost more.
And that’s a big problem for the Longhorns, who fell to 6-4 after a 23-21 loss at Iowa State. (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2019/11/16/assalleys-36-yard-fg-gives-iowa-state-23-21-win-over-texas/40631911/)
https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2019/11/17/USAT/a0d1b147-b9e7-4761-ab34-ea3fa47cd8ab-texas_USP_NCAA_Football__Texas_at_Iowa_State.JPG?w idth=300&height=376&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp
Though everyone screams “Texas is back!” whenever it shows up for a big game, let’s be real. The measurement for Texas isn’t whether it can beat a Georgia or an Oklahoma in a one-off setting. Rather, we’ll know Texas is back for real when it’s not a life-and-death struggle to beat any Big 12 team that has displayed even a little bit of competence.


In the end, that’s the key to running a program that contends nationally. Nobody plays their best football for 12 consecutive weeks. But what teams like Clemson, Alabama Georgia, Ohio State and Oklahoma are able to do is build a margin for error so that their B-game is usually good enough to win without getting into an endless series of coin flips.

In the Big 12, especially, you’re going to play a lot of teams that are pretty good but not great. And what Texas has routinely displayed under Herman is that it cannot beat those teams unless it is playing its best football. For a program that has the capability of recruiting like Texas, that shouldn’t be necessary. And that’s why the Longhorns are No. 1 in the Misery Index, a weekly measurement of knee-jerk reactions based on what each fan base just watched.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/dan-wolken/2019/11/17/texas-football-big-12-loss-iowa-state-misery-longhorns-fans/4223592002/

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[Randolph Duke]

Someone with a high level understanding of college football needs to be brought in to oversee Texas football and to advise CDC on how to best chart the future direction of UT football. I am not in favor of firing Tom Herman at this point, but it is clear he can’t be allowed to have complete control of the program. He simply is failing in too many aspects related to the game day performance of the team.

Coach Herman doesn’t seem to be handling some of the basics well. Effectively, his leadership of the program needs to be put into receivership. He needs to be put on notice of how he is failing, and he needs to be given the help he needs to correct his weaknesses and hopefully save his job.

It doesn’t appear he has mastered the problem of having the team ready to play during the initial stages of any game. The constant problem with penalties shows the team lacks discipline and that Coach Herman is failing to adequately coach the mental aspects of the game. This is especially troublesome considering Herman’s “Mensa” reputation. The defense isn’t being taught basic fundamentals of tackling. The coaching staff has no ability to self-scout. The offensive play calling needs to be addressed. The offensive line is allowing far too many sacks and isn’t pass blocking effectively.

The problems are evident. So is the fact that Tom Herman isn’t addressing them effectively. He needs help to see if his weaknesses can be addressed. If not, he has to be let go and we have to move on to new leadership.

I have no interest in publicly humiliating Tom Herman, but so far he has failed. And I have no interest in putting up with any more of his post failure press conferences where he makes it clear he isn’t getting it that the problem lies at his feet.

[DMX7]

And I thought the delay on 4th and 5 was bad:lol

that's what I was talking about.

[pgardn]

FIFY. Get Urban Meyer. Winning shouldn’t be this “hard” against the Iowa State’s, Kansas, Tech’s, etc in year 3.

Also Herman’s specialty is offense. That side of the ball has been getting worse as the year progresses. That’s been a huge red flag for all to see.

No fn way.

2 years here and he has a breakdown again, the lying sac of s...

Hard Times. We have been through this before.
If it’s solved getting a known piece of _______, I’m out.

It’s sad for me getting two degrees from the same school and investing too much time and effort (watching these games is torturous effort.) My wife, “Why do you care?” I grew up with it. 4 fckn generations.
And Yep, I get punched in the face every game we suck. But I want to suck with dignity.
Gotta say I’d rather not suck at all.

Beat Baylor, TT, win our bowl game get our recruits.
Herman has another year.

Then... Get it done with some dignity.

[texbound]

No fn way.

2 years here and he has a breakdown again, the lying sac of s...

Hard Times. We have been through this before.
If it’s solved getting a known piece of _______, I’m out.

It’s sad for me getting two degrees from the same school and investing too much time and effort (watching these games is torturous effort.) My wife, “Why do you care?” I grew up with it. 4 fckn generations.
And Yep, I get punched in the face every game we suck. But I want to suck with dignity.
Gotta say I’d rather not suck at all.

Beat Baylor, TT, win our bowl game get our recruits.
Herman has another year.

Then... Get it done with some dignity.

Very well put. I have a close friend who is a Clemson fan who said, "Dabo Swinney is the wrong choice and should never be anything more than an assistant coach". I think that was in year 3 of Dabo (technically 2 1/2 after Bowden) when Clemson went 6-6. I'm not making a 1 for 1 comparison between Dabo and Tom, but Clemson stayed the course and now my friend is as happy as can be. Stay the course with Tom, make tweaks to get it right and win some damn games next year.

[playblair]

Very well put. I have a close friend who is a Clemson fan who said, "Dabo Swinney is the wrong choice and should never be anything more than an assistant coach". I think that was in year 3 of Dabo (technically 2 1/2 after Bowden) when Clemson went 6-6. I'm not making a 1 for 1 comparison between Dabo and Tom, but Clemson stayed the course and now my friend is as happy as can be. Stay the course with Tom, make tweaks to get it right and win some damn games next year.

dabo also started to use a church to pay for recruits & gave his players hgh when he realized it wasnt going to work out after his 3rd year........

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Lol Herman should be pilloried for going conservative after being gifted another possession. Let your QB win the game you stupid ass hole.

He's using gas lighting and intimidation to keep the press from getting him to own up to his own failures and inadequacies. He's a horrible freakin coach, if his skin were a darker color his ass would be DONE after this season just like charlie strong. Why are we treating him so differently? Losing to KU should not be the only qualifications needed to get fired from this job.

[woofwoof]

Lol Herman should be pilloried for going conservative after being gifted another possession. Let your QB win the game you stupid ass hole.

He's using gas lighting and intimidation to keep the press from getting him to own up to his own failures and inadequacies. He's a horrible freakin coach, if his skin were a darker color his ass would be DONE after this season just like charlie strong. Why are we treating him so differently? Losing to KU should not be the only qualifications needed to get fired from this job.

I'd hate to get into the skin color thing but let's be real, this is true. This is purely my comparison from above.

The team just looks confused out there on defense. Offense, very little enthusiasm, play-calling is predictable. Our offense does not work against any defense with a pulse. We shouldve beaten down Iowa State but we lost, why?

[soldierhorn]

if his skin were a darker color his ass would be DONE after this season just like charlie strong.
that's just dumb. weak mined people inject racism into every situation. Anyone can play that idiotic game. Let's try this one: It's because Charlie Strong's "skin were a darker color" or "his ass" wouldnt have been hired to begin with. See how easy that is?

[Randolph Duke]

dabo also started to use a church to pay for recruits & gave his players hgh when he realized it wasnt going to work out after his 3rd year........

After Dabo's thid year, he first brought in Chad Morris and then Brent Vanables. He also agreed to take less money for himself so he could hire and retain two of the best coordinators in college football.

But if you want to ignore the effect hiring Morris and Venables had on Dabo's program, and the stability Dabo brought to his program by personally taking less for himself, you are free to do that. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

[Randolph Duke]

I'd hate to get into the skin color thing but let's be real, this is true. This is purely my comparison from above.

The team just looks confused out there on defense. Offense, very little enthusiasm, play-calling is predictable. Our offense does not work against any defense with a pulse. We shouldve beaten down Iowa State but we lost, why?

Tom Herman and his staff have an inexplicable lack of ability to self scout. They cannot see the predictability of Texas on both sides of the ball, even though opposing coaching staffs can do so with great ease. Also, Herman is failing to coach the mental aspects of the game, leading to far too many penalties.

Tom Herman wasn't fully prepared to take over the head coaching position at Texas when he accepted the job, but that is ok. Very few mid-major head coaches are prepared to take over a program the size and scope of Texas' on Day 1. The problem is that Herman isn't growing as a professional at an acceptable rate and his failures are becoming painfully evident.

CDC needs to put the training wheels on, get Herman some help in accepting and remediating his personal failures as a head coach, and hopefully get him past this chapter of his career.

Herman has risen through the coaching ranks quickly and has never suffered a personal or professional failure such as his is now dealing with. While Tom has proven he has a number of the skills necessary to lead Texas football, he has also proven he does have enough of the necessary skills.

[soldierhorn]

After Dabo's thid year, he first brought in Chad Morris and then Brent Vanables. He also agreed to take less money for himself so he could hire and retain two of the best coordinators in college football.

agree.... like most control freaks, Herman's instinct is not to hire someone that could replace him. He has to be willing to step out of his comfort zone and hire coordinators that could be head coaches somewhere else. Coordinators that will teach fundamentals and let the players play fast. Over-scheming causes confusion and neutralizes their athleticism. Herman has a comfort level with Beck but he is just not good and hasnt been.

[Billybass]

It is crazy to compare Herman and Charlie Strong. Just plain stupid. We had 3 consecutive losing seasons under strong. First time in schools history for that to happen. We even kicked off twice in one game !! How does that even happen ? Let’s not forget that we beat Georgia in the 2019 Sugar Bowl. Biggest win for this program in 10 years ! The team has taken a huge step backwards this year, and I am frustrated too, but to compare Herman and Strong is ludicrous

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[LaMarcus Bryant]

that's just dumb. weak mined people inject racism into every situation. Anyone can play that idiotic game. Let's try this one: It's because Charlie Strong's "skin were a darker color" or "his ass" wouldnt have been hired to begin with. See how easy that is?


It's true and clear to see. Charlie Strong was treated like ass by big 12 officials, the press tore him apart, dude looked like he wanted to cry during pressers sometimes. And they all dog piled on his shortcomings. Herman is in year 3 and still getting a pass that Charlie never did, and the only difference by year 3 really is Herman is lucky AF that he has Sam Ehlinger on his roster.
Imaging Herman starting Tyrone Swoops for the majority of a season with this coaching staff...he would barely be bowl eligible

Strong made staff changes at a pace that people bitched about and here we are with the orlando for year 3 and zero talk of staff changes
I've never seen a coach get turned on so quickly like Strong, and he treated the media with respect. Herman won't even acknowledge bad play calls or being outcoached and is treated like some young coach with kid gloves, dude is in his mid 40s

I cannot even begin to understand how badly the entire national media would be shitting on Strong if he had so many fucked up 4th down calls that cost his team games. That's directly on his shoulders, and it's cost us arguably 3 games, and the media won't be up front with Herman about it.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

It is crazy to compare Herman and Charlie Strong. Just plain stupid. We had 3 consecutive losing seasons under strong. First time in schools history for that to happen. We even kicked off twice in one game !! How does that even happen ? Let’s not forget that we beat Georgia in the 2019 Sugar Bowl. Biggest win for this program in 10 years ! The team has taken a huge step backwards this year, and I am frustrated too, but to compare Herman and Strong is ludicrous

The only difference in the equation when you look at the strong vs herman coaching staff is one staff has Sam Ehlinger and the other didn't.

Charlie was destroyed for his defense, yet this year's UT defense has statistically been worse than all of those.

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Lol Herman should be pilloried for going conservative after being gifted another possession. Let your QB win the game you stupid ass hole.

He's using gas lighting and intimidation to keep the press from getting him to own up to his own failures and inadequacies. He's a horrible freakin coach, if his skin were a darker color his ass would be DONE after this season just like charlie strong. Why are we treating him so differently? Losing to KU should not be the only qualifications needed to get fired from this job.

The pickle Texas is in is due to the two-year, guaranteed extension given to Herman after the Sugar Bowl victory.

If we were pretending Herman is getting fired after the Tech game, it now costs $20 mil as opposed to $10 mil.

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[Randolph Duke]

The pickle Texas is in is due to the two-year, guaranteed extension given to Herman after the Sugar Bowl victory.

If we were pretending Herman is getting fired after the Tech game, it now costs $20 mil as opposed to $10 mil.

$25.5 mil (but who's counting at this point?)

FY 2020: $6,000,000
FY 2021: $6,250,000
FY 2022: $6,500,000
FY 2023: $6,750,000

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/texas-sports-nation/college/article/A-closer-look-at-Texas-coach-Tom-Herman-s-13895223.php

[TFloss32]

$25.5 mil (but who's counting at this point?)

FY 2020: $6,000,000
FY 2021: $6,250,000
FY 2022: $6,500,000
FY 2023: $6,750,000

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/texas-sports-nation/college/article/A-closer-look-at-Texas-coach-Tom-Herman-s-13895223.php

Haha, I thought it was closer to $5 mil.

Wonderful, and thanks for the clarification.

Needless to say if we're arguing about colors, the most important one here is green.

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[Eastexhorn]

Someone with a high level understanding of college football needs to be brought in to oversee Texas football and to advise CDC on how to best chart the future direction of UT football. I am not in favor of firing Tom Herman at this point, but it is clear he can’t be allowed to have complete control of the program. He simply is failing in too many aspects related to the game day performance of the team.

Coach Herman doesn’t seem to be handling some of the basics well. Effectively, his leadership of the program needs to be put into receivership. He needs to be put on notice of how he is failing, and he needs to be given the help he needs to correct his weaknesses and hopefully save his job.

It doesn’t appear he has mastered the problem of having the team ready to play during the initial stages of any game. The constant problem with penalties shows the team lacks discipline and that Coach Herman is failing to adequately coach the mental aspects of the game. This is especially troublesome considering Herman’s “Mensa” reputation. The defense isn’t being taught basic fundamentals of tackling. The coaching staff has no ability to self-scout. The offensive play calling needs to be addressed. The offensive line is allowing far too many sacks and isn’t pass blocking effectively.

The problems are evident. So is the fact that Tom Herman isn’t addressing them effectively. He needs help to see if his weaknesses can be addressed. If not, he has to be let go and we have to move on to new leadership.

I have no interest in publicly humiliating Tom Herman, but so far he has failed. And I have no interest in putting up with any more of his post failure press conferences where he makes it clear he isn’t getting it that the problem lies at his feet.


It's true and clear to see. Charlie Strong was treated like ass by big 12 officials, the press tore him apart, dude looked like he wanted to cry during pressers sometimes. And they all dog piled on his shortcomings. Herman is in year 3 and still getting a pass that Charlie never did, and the only difference by year 3 really is Herman is lucky AF that he has Sam Ehlinger on his roster.
Imaging Herman starting Tyrone Swoops for the majority of a season with this coaching staff...he would barely be bowl eligible

Strong made staff changes at a pace that people bitched about and here we are with the orlando for year 3 and zero talk of staff changes
I've never seen a coach get turned on so quickly like Strong, and he treated the media with respect. Herman won't even acknowledge bad play calls or being outcoached and is treated like some young coach with kid gloves, dude is in his mid 40s

I cannot even begin to understand how badly the entire national media would be shitting on Strong if he had so many fucked up 4th down calls that cost his team games. That's directly on his shoulders, and it's cost us arguably 3 games, and the media won't be up front with Herman about it.
Coach turned out so quick never seen. Fla. St. and Arkie says hi.

[texas4ever]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpUsOIgpn-U&list=PL53A4EEF5F4C90A36&index=2&t=0s

[TFloss32]

CB Jeffery Carter is leaving Alabama.

https://247sports.com/Player/Scooby-Carter-46038477/

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I wanted to share a few pieces from the Monday write-up over at Inside Texas:

"Herman also seems to think coaching is a 60-minute window on Saturday. Clearly he was out-coached during the week. The Iowa State staff had the Texas staff dead to rights from the opening kick. Things were so bad Cyclones players were taunting Texas players by saying they knew what they were going to run, and all too often, they were right. The same thing happened in the Kansas game and I imagine many others."

"Player frustration is exacerbated by Herman running such a regimented program. Players are beginning to wonder what are they going through all this for when they're getting beaten by teams with much lesser demands. These players know how other programs are run because they're friends with players from countless different schools. The players feel like they do everything asked of them and it's all for naught. They highly suspect the disconnect is coaching."

"There are some coaching issues behind the scenes that we can only shake our head at but we want to give the staff the benefit of finishing the season and then seeing how Herman responds to those issues."

[TFloss32]

Inside Texas mentioned yesterday that DE Van Fillinger of Draper, UT is the one commitment to watch currently.

He's definitely listening to Utah being that they're his home state school, but his December official visit to UT is still on.