2020 Texas Longhorns Recruiting Thread

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Inside Texas believes both new coordinators will be in place before the early signing day.

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Sounds like CDC has the financial support to write blank checks. Who’s the better fit, Harrell or Brady?

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Sounds like CDC has the financial support to write blank checks. Who’s the better fit, Harrell or Brady?
Brady... and not even close. I do not want the air raid offense with Ingram, RoJo, Whittington, Young, and Bijan ALL needing snaps. I would prefer LSU's offense to Leach/Herrell's any day.

[satam55]

Jeff Howe from Horns247 is also hinting that Graham Harrell will be the OC hire.

[satam55]

Sounds like CDC has the financial support to write blank checks. Who’s the better fit, Harrell or Brady?


Brady... and not even close. I do not want the air raid offense with Ingram, RoJo, Whittington, Young, and Bijan ALL needing snaps. I would prefer LSU's offense to Leach/Herrell's any day.

I just watched some 2018 UNT game clips against SMU & Arkansas on YouTube. UNT ran the ball plenty from 11 personnel sets. So that fits in with what Herman likes to already do.

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Brady... and not even close. I do not want the air raid offense with Ingram, RoJo, Whittington, Young, and Bijan ALL needing snaps. I would prefer LSU's offense to Leach/Herrell's any day.

USC had 4 RB’s each with 50+ carries and each 4.8+yards per carry. Harrell values the run game

[satam55]

An insider poster from the surelyhorns forum just posted this:



A few things:

-If Harrell is the OC, and the rumors are legit but don’t take anything for granted until ink is dry, then Traylor could make a return. Herman would be admitting to a mistake in letting him go in the first place, so I’m iffy. There’s a shot. Traylor is a stud recruiter and ST coach, irrespective of which position role he would wind up with, if he were re-hired.

-For all of the shit everyone gives Warehime, he’s actually done okay at TE coach and Wiley looks like a stud. He might stay.

-Beck and Meekins will be gone after signing day.

-Ash isn’t the leading candidate.

-Outside of Giles, not sure if anyone is safe on defense if the new DC wants other guys.

-Expect better positional balance in the coaching staff.

-Money and CDC were involved with this. Anyone thinking otherwise is a fucking moron. Herman wasn’t ready to make changes.

-Herman is roundly despised by the academic side and the money. Tech win gave him another season. He has been told unequivocally that they should be competing for a national title next year, that he needs to win the fucking bowl game, and they better damned sure land a top 10 class this year. If he fails at any of those, his ass is fucking gone. Obviously, if he fails at the bowl win and the recruiting class and then goes to the CFP, he’s keeping his job. 10 wins though? Some shit like that? Nope. Dude is fucking despised by too many important people.

-Urban Meyer was not going to be approached, fwiw. The guy they had lined up would have been pretty fucking great and it will be interesting to see if he goes anywhere this year or if he’s still available after Herman buttfucks 2020.



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I think anyone thinking that coaches won’t take a job because the HC is a dead man walking is just way off base. Coaches are egotists and they’re always going to think they can do better and they will be invincible.

Harrell is a guy that, if he takes the job, will take it because he knows that succeeding at Texas will make his career. He told people that today.

If Harrell or Rhett Lashlee get the OC job, we will have some great fucking intel on this board. Probably.

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If the above post is accurate, might as well fire him now and bring in the "pretty freaking great" guy. Seems a lot like the start of year 3 under Charlie where everyone was sitting around hoping the coach would fail. All of that makes me wonder if all of the hatred is real, somebody did a really poor job of vetting Herman before he was hired or simply don't really care what the academic or money people feel. Either way, it seems like a recipe destined to fail.

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An insider poster from the surelyhorns forum just posted this:



A few things:

-If Harrell is the OC, and the rumors are legit but don’t take anything for granted until ink is dry, then Traylor could make a return. Herman would be admitting to a mistake in letting him go in the first place, so I’m iffy. There’s a shot. Traylor is a stud recruiter and ST coach, irrespective of which position role he would wind up with, if he were re-hired.

-For all of the shit everyone gives Warehime, he’s actually done okay at TE coach and Wiley looks like a stud. He might stay.

-Beck and Meekins will be gone after signing day.

-Ash isn’t the leading candidate.

-Outside of Giles, not sure if anyone is safe on defense if the new DC wants other guys.

-Expect better positional balance in the coaching staff.

-Money and CDC were involved with this. Anyone thinking otherwise is a fucking moron. Herman wasn’t ready to make changes.

-Herman is roundly despised by the academic side and the money. Tech win gave him another season. He has been told unequivocally that they should be competing for a national title next year, that he needs to win the fucking bowl game, and they better damned sure land a top 10 class this year. If he fails at any of those, his ass is fucking gone. Obviously, if he fails at the bowl win and the recruiting class and then goes to the CFP, he’s keeping his job. 10 wins though? Some shit like that? Nope. Dude is fucking despised by too many important people.

-Urban Meyer was not going to be approached, fwiw. The guy they had lined up would have been pretty fucking great and it will be interesting to see if he goes anywhere this year or if he’s still available after Herman buttfucks 2020.



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I think anyone thinking that coaches won’t take a job because the HC is a dead man walking is just way off base. Coaches are egotists and they’re always going to think they can do better and they will be invincible.

Harrell is a guy that, if he takes the job, will take it because he knows that succeeding at Texas will make his career. He told people that today.

If Harrell or Rhett Lashlee get the OC job, we will have some great fucking intel on this board. Probably.




This entire post reeks like the surly poster is egotistical.

Is the below good or bad? Great fckn intel?

If Harrell or Rhett Lashlee get the OC job, we will have some great fucking intel on this board. Probably.


How about a great fn team?

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Go after fleck, but you would probably be disappointed

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Go after fleck, but you would probably be disappointed

Fleck might be a great coach, but he is just like Herman and Strong, another guy who hasn't really proven himself over a long period of time. This has been Texas problem over the last 40 years. Texas hired Fred Akers from Wyoming, They hired David McWilliams away from Tech after one year has a head coach. They hired Mackovic after just 4 years at Illinois. Mack Brown had spent some time as a head coach and even he was a bit green. Then they hired Strong after just 3 years at Louisville, and Herman after just 3 years at Houston.

Enough is enough, if we fire Herman, and it sounds like he will get another 2 year window to right the ship, then Texas better have the balls to go after someone with real experience and success. No more one year wonders.

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Fleck might be a great coach, but he is just like Herman and Strong, another guy who hasn't really proven himself over a long period of time. This has been Texas problem over the last 40 years. Texas hired Fred Akers from Wyoming, They hired David McWilliams away from Tech after one year has a head coach. They hired Mackovic after just 4 years at Illinois. Mack Brown had spent some time as a head coach and even he was a bit green. Then they hired Strong after just 3 years at Louisville, and Herman after just 3 years at Houston.

Enough is enough, if we fire Herman, and it sounds like he will get another 2 year window to right the ship, then Texas better have the balls to go after someone with real experience and success. No more one year wonders.

I agree 100% but it's not like there are a lot of long tenured successful coaches out there looking for jobs or even changing schools. Unless you got Urban Meyer on speed dial who could you realistically get?

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Fleck might be a great coach, but he is just like Herman and Strong, another guy who hasn't really proven himself over a long period of time. This has been Texas problem over the last 40 years. Texas hired Fred Akers from Wyoming, They hired David McWilliams away from Tech after one year has a head coach. They hired Mackovic after just 4 years at Illinois. Mack Brown had spent some time as a head coach and even he was a bit green. Then they hired Strong after just 3 years at Louisville, and Herman after just 3 years at Houston.

Enough is enough, if we fire Herman, and it sounds like he will get another 2 year window to right the ship, then Texas better have the balls to go after someone with real experience and success. No more one year wonders.

Even Darrell Royal was escorted out.
Nearly all the really good college coaches meet their time to leave on some sour note.

Mack Brown will go down as a tremendous success. He just became fat with that success and a grandpa.
This coaching stuff is a tremendous grind on a life. And imo it’s getting even tougher.

[pgardn]

I agree 100% but it's not like there are a lot of long tenured successful coaches out there looking for jobs or even changing schools. Unless you got Urban Meyer on speed dial who could you realistically get?

He will bring as much chaos (lying and cheating) as success. And if you think he will leave a program in Ohio State shape rethink that. Ohio St. will keep this pace up... ? We don’t know. We do know he put Florida in a bind.

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OrangeBloods reporting RB Ty Jordan of West Mesquite took an official visit to Utah this weekend, and apparently it went very well.

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One of the West Coast guys from 24/7 gave an update on RB Bijan Robinson and all is good with Texas after staff changes.

He doesn't plan on taking any visits.

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OrangeBloods reporting RB Ty Jordan of West Mesquite took an official visit to Utah this weekend, and apparently it went very well.

Damn, we need to jump on this, he is a guy I really want in the system. We have some top tier guys we can't lose, I would put him very high in that second tier. Wherever he goes, he is going to be a hell of a contributor.

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He will bring as much chaos (lying and cheating) as success. And if you think he will leave a program in Ohio State shape rethink that. Ohio St. will keep this pace up... ? We don’t know. We do know he put Florida in a bind.

The question i'm asking, and the whole point of my post, is who besides Meyer is out there with a long history as a successful coach that is available?

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The question i'm asking, and the whole point of my post, is who besides Meyer is out there with a long history as a successful coach that is available?

Yes I’d be wondering the same thing. If Urban is too much risk I’d hope we’d be aiming for someone with as close a track record as possible. By the looks of it these up and comer project Head Coaches isn’t panning out for us.

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Yes I’d be wondering the same thing. If Urban is too much risk I’d hope we’d be aiming for someone with as close a track record as possible. By the looks of it these up and comer project Head Coaches isn’t panning out for us.

There isn't a lot out there.

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Dabo
Dabo

After him

Dude from Washington
Guy from Penn state
Guy from Stanford
There are few NFL guys
A few years ago John Harbaugh talked about returning to the college ranks.
There is Urban

Who ever Texas might go after, I'm pretty sure they are going to have to open the bank vault and offer upwards of 8 million a year, maybe not the stupid contract Aggy used to get Jimbo, but the money would be on the same level.

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Per Inside Texas, Utah defensive coordinator Morgan Scalley told Texas he wasn't interested in their new opening.

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Go after fleck, but you would probably be disappointed
Fleck's whole "row the boat" shtick would never work at a blue blood program, tbh. Minnesota is the right type of job for him.

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CB Lorando Johnson of Lancaster de-commits from LSU.

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Fleck's whole "row the boat" shtick would never work at a blue blood program, tbh. Minnesota is the right type of job for him.

I think Herman's grew stale this year, so we'll see if the staff changes can reinvigorate the team and keep a few guys from transferring out.

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As of today, Inside Texas is hearing things are moving quickly in the direction of Chris Ash.

However, they have also heard names like Washington's Jimmy Lake and recently fired Barry Odom of Mizzou.

Since they published that report, Lake has been named the new coach at Washington.

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This might be the best WR class in recent history.

Jimmy Lake would be a great upgrade for the defense, especially the secondary.

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LB Jaqwondis Burns of IMG Academy has de-committed from Ole Miss.

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Scalley and Lake were option 1A and 1B already struck out there!

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Why does nobody want Chris Ash besides the facts that he couldnt cut it at Rutgers and he is a comfort hire?

Philosophy?

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There is a rumor on the Arkansas 24/7 board that Coach Warehime could be headed there.

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That stinks. Wishing the best for this young man in his life.

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Wouldn’t he still be able to receive a degree from Texas. He makes it seem as if he’s leaving the school, not sure if that’s the case. Best of luck to him.

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Why does nobody want Chris Ash besides the facts that he couldnt cut it at Rutgers and he is a comfort hire?

Philosophy?

I don’t know much about the guy but just as a fan it doesn’t excite me. Typically it’s a good thing when you’re an Alabama or Ohio State defense and one of the assistants is called up to fill a role and carry the torch for an existing great defense. We’re promoting someone currently on staff to right the entire ship and if he was on staff to assist in some way with this horrible defense we had I don’t see how this would cut it. Hope we could do better than this.

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Why does nobody want Chris Ash besides the facts that he couldnt cut it at Rutgers and he is a comfort hire?

Philosophy?

You hit the nail on the head! Because some feel he’d be a “comfort hire” for Herman and we all know how a bunch of those original comfort hires turned out. I for one feel he’s probably the best option that’s available, since Scalley has said no. I’d have no issues at all with Ash, if Herman brings him on board. He has won a championship at a P5 program.

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Replacing Chris Ash Will Be Urban Meyer's Biggest Challenge Yet at Ohio State (from 2015)

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From the above report...

"Ash was charged with overhauling the Buckeyes defense and implementing his more aggressive press quarters scheme in place of a system that had become all too accustomed to giving up big plays."

doesn't seem like we will get the 4-3 most fans want.

I guess as long as the defensive coordinator makes adjustments and presses the opposing receivers, we should be much better off. Teams could have did a 5 yard hook every play and got 5 yards against TO. And I like TO, he just didn't adjust like Muschamp did.

Also, please have Ossai rush the passer 80% of the time. Linebackers need to be trained much harder

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Per OrangeBloods, OL JP Urquidez, walk-on QB Sam Saxton and walk-on K Chris Naggar will enter the transfer portal.

Urquidez participated in the Senior Day activities last Friday and will be a graduate transfer.

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Per OrangeBloods, OL JP Urquidez, walk-on QB Sam Saxton and walk-on K Chris Naggar will enter the transfer portal.

Urquidez participated in the Senior Day activities last Friday and will be a graduate transfer.

Wow. Devastating. I don’t know how the program will move forward with this tremendous loss.

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well bye meme insert

[pgardn]

Have we heard anything from Logan Parr as far as sticking with us like a number of other 2020's?

And did he have a good enough season that we want to hear from him?

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Have we heard anything from Logan Parr as far as sticking with us like a number of other 2020's?

And did he have a good enough season that we want to hear from him?

Yes and yes

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I think some of these recruits understand it’s about them in a couple of years and not the current players/coaches/schemes

[Vito Corleone]

So we lost two walk-ons and a linemen that never sniffed the field.

Okay, that hurt. No seriously, I wish them all the best of luck. I guess losing our punter does suck, but that is life. I guess we don't punt.

As for the talk about Chris Ash. I for one am happy to have him if we chose him and he chooses us. My biggest thing is I don't know how he will do against the offenses of the Big 12. It's one thing to play great defense against the offenses of the Big 10, it's quite another to do so in the Big 12. Also would have been nice to take a DC that could also let us steal a few recruits.

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So we lost two walk-ons and a linemen that never sniffed the field.

Okay, that hurt. No seriously, I wish them all the best of luck. I guess losing our punter does suck, but that is life. I guess we don't punt.

As for the talk about Chris Ash. I for one am happy to have him if we chose him and he chooses us. My biggest thing is I don't know how he will do against the offenses of the Big 12. It's one thing to play great defense against the offenses of the Big 10, it's quite another to do so in the Big 12. Also would have been nice to take a DC that could also let us steal a few recruits.

I think this is what got Orlando so bound up. We were supposed to be bend but dont break. It did not work. We gave up big plays and they drove the field.

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Inside Texas had an update this morning and they're now saying Chris Ash is the floor for UT's defensive coordinator search, meaning there are other names ahead of him currently.

They don't believe it's nearly as likely he ends up being the hire since Texas is aiming a lot higher.

For the offense, Graham Harrell is THE guy and they believe it's encouraging that they aren't hearing any other names on that front.

They do think Helton will be fired at USC, but things could potentially change a lot if Meyer is hired.

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From The Football Brainiacs yesterday...

- Del Conte has basically given Herman a blank check for his hires, and he's said in the past money won't be the sole reason UT doesn't get a coach they want/need.

- based on that philosophy, they don't believe Chris Ash is at all a foregone conclusion and Herman is thinking much bigger.

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Per Inside Texas, TCU is worth monitoring with WR Quentin Johnston right now, and same goes for CB Kitan Crawford with Washington.

Crawford appears to be worried that Coach Washington will be let go.

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Inside Texas had an update this morning and they're now saying Chris Ash is the floor for UT's defensive coordinator search, meaning there are other names ahead of him currently.

They don't believe it's nearly as likely he ends up being the hire since Texas is aiming a lot higher.

For the offense, Graham Harrell is THE guy and they believe it's encouraging that they aren't hearing any other names on that front.

They do think Helton will be fired at USC, but things could potentially change a lot if Meyer is hired.

I'm glad the floor seems to be Ash and honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up on the staff as a safeties coach/defensive back coach either way.

I find the USC-Meyer rumors interesting. I've been reading the USC sites these past few days, and the only ones thinking Meyer will come to USC (or at least be offered the job) are fans claiming to be insiders (I don't know their track-records). All the mods are very much in doubt and the big national guys are saying USC won't even attempt to bring Meyer to LA.

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According to The Football Brainiacs, things have calmed down a lot with WR Brennan Eagles since the firings on Sunday.

His plan is to remain at Texas.

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I'm glad the floor seems to be Ash and honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up on the staff as a safeties coach/defensive back coach either way.

I find the USC-Meyer rumors interesting. I've been reading the USC sites these past few days, and the only ones thinking Meyer will come to USC (or at least be offered the job) are fans claiming to be insiders (I don't know their track-records). All the mods are very much in doubt and the big national guys are saying USC won't even attempt to bring Meyer to LA.

Agreed, USC seems to be on the same level as Texas when it comes to the idea of hiring Meyer, but you never know how far they'll go since they haven't been winning.

Urban may be offered the Cowboys job anyway.

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What is the time line for the hiring of DC and OC

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I'm glad the floor seems to be Ash and honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up on the staff as a safeties coach/defensive back coach either way.

I find the USC-Meyer rumors interesting. I've been reading the USC sites these past few days, and the only ones thinking Meyer will come to USC (or at least be offered the job) are fans claiming to be insiders (I don't know their track-records). All the mods are very much in doubt and the big national guys are saying USC won't even attempt to bring Meyer to LA.

Meyer sold his soul to the devil one too many times. I just don't see an institution like USC or Texas hiring him regardless of how much winning really matters. He is dirty and always will be. Just my .02 cents. Urban needs to look to the SEC, if he wants to coach collage again.

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Meyer sold his soul to the devil one too many times. I just don't see an institution like USC or Texas hiring him regardless of how much winning really matters. He is dirty and always will be. Just my .02 cents. Urban needs to look to the SEC, if he wants to coach collage again.

Agreed.
Want nothing to do with the freak.
Maybe ATM can eventually take him and make the Sherrill, Franchione, Jimbo crab leg hires look like good guys.

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What is the time line for the hiring of DC and OC

I have read before early signing day which is December 18th.

Personally, I'd be pretty surprised if it took two weeks unless Herman is just striking out left and right.

He could be going after a DC coaching for a playoff team, but usually in that scenario, the guy is announced for his new team and then he'll decide if he wants to move immediately and start recruiting or finish with old team first.

[TheMex]

What is the time line for the hiring of DC and OC
I’ve read OC is ASAP (bc Harrell is done with his regular season) while DC may take longer (bc top targets are still in season, I’m thinking Herman is looking at the nfl).

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NFL?

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The Football Brainiacs re-emphasized today that a Chris Ash hiring would mean Herman missed on a handful of other candidates.

One guy that has been contacted is Mizzou DC Ryan Walters.

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Inside Texas had an update this morning and they're now saying Chris Ash is the floor for UT's defensive coordinator search, meaning there are other names ahead of him currently.

They don't believe it's nearly as likely he ends up being the hire since Texas is aiming a lot higher.

For the offense, Graham Harrell is THE guy and they believe it's encouraging that they aren't hearing any other names on that front.

They do think Helton will be fired at USC, but things could potentially change a lot if Meyer is hired.

most recently, sounds like so much depends on what USC does. As has been noted, sounds like most of the big guns there don't want Urban, so they're looking at James Franklin. Barring a big name, the likelihood Helton stays increases, which would make it harder (not impossible) to pull Harrell.

regarding Ash, the more I read about him, the more "impressed" (not wholly overwhelmed, but not as underwhelmed as initially) I am with his credentials, not just as a DC, but also with the DB background and in recruiting (has been a recruiting coordinator multiple seasons, I believe, with P5 programs).

not saying I'd be thrilled, but we could do far worse probably. Again, though, let's shoot for the best and see how it plays out.

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Man that Josh Shaw situation is odd.

https://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/28220154/source-arizona-cardinals-josh-shaw-appeals-suspension-gambling
From what ESPN stated, he didn't fix the game but still bet...

https://www.espn.com/los-angeles/college-football/story/_/id/11420303/usc-trojans-josh-shaw-suspended-indefinitely-admitting-lie
This is the same guy that when he was a senior in college, made up a story that he jumped from a second story to save somebody when he really did it to evade the cops, I believe. Troubled guy it seems.

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Texas checking on 2022 RB Jamarion Miller of Tyler Lee today.

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An Ole Miss mod has put in a Texas crystal ball for LB JaQwondis Burns of IMG Academy.

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I wonder how that will affect us going after Graham Harrell?

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I wonder how that will affect us going after Graham Harrell?

If I remember correctly USC had a plethora of QB injuries and all the QBs seemed to keep their offense moving forward. As a team they were wildly inconsistent.

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I wonder how that will affect us going after Graham Harrell?
from what I gather, it will make it more difficult, but not out of the realm of legit possibility we still get him. Would have been better though of course had Helton not remained (assuming, of course, that's correct on Helton, since we're hearing conflicting things still at this point per numerous Inside Texas posts)

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The Football Brainiacs re-emphasized today that a Chris Ash hiring would mean Herman missed on a handful of other candidates.

One guy that has been contacted is Mizzou DC Ryan Walters.

They also mentioned Ohio State DL coach Larry Johnson as a guy Herman would aim for as a DL coach. Titans DB coach (and former OSU DB guru) Kerry Coombs was also casually named as a potential DB coach, due to him not being "happy" in the NFL. I'm a Titans fan (thank you Griffin and VY) and I've not heard or seem a thing about Coombs not being happy in Nashville. Everything I've seen with him, he looks excited. That does seem to be his persona though. In any case, I would be surprised if he left one year short of his NFL pension (IIRC coaches get them after three seasons in the NFL?).

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24/7 had an update this morning saying a source close to Graham Harrell claims he's made at least one call to a coach he could possibly bring with him to Austin, and they think he could've already been offered the job by Herman.

Harrell was waiting to see if USC was moving on from Helton before making any decisions.

[Hook Em 88]

24/7 had an update this morning saying a source close to Graham Harrell claims he's made at least one call to a coach he could possibly bring with him to Austin, and they think he could've already been offered the job by Herman.

Harrell was waiting to see if USC was moving on from Helton before making any decisions.

most likely a Wr coach right since it seems were retaining Hand and Drayton? Hope it gets done if he’s our top target. Harrell had Mason Fine of UNT putting up Heisman numbers a couple years ago and he would have likely been a candidate had he been somewhere other than UNT. North Texas was pretty darn good 2 years ago.

[TheMex]

most likely a Wr coach right since it seems were retaining Hand and Drayton? Hope it gets done if he’s our top target. Harrell had Mason Fine of UNT putting up Heisman numbers a couple years ago and he would have likely been a candidate had he been somewhere other than UNT. North Texas was pretty darn good 2 years ago.
I've read that Hand's job isn't secured but Drayton's is. This really tells us that Herman really is going out of his way to secure Bijan's recruitment.

[Vito Corleone]

I've read that Hand's job isn't secured but Drayton's is. This really tells us that Herman really is going out of his way to secure Bijan's recruitment.

Considering that Hand is out recruiting, I'd give it about a 95% chance he is retained.

[texas4ever]

I think the only way Hand is not back is whether or not the new OC is adamant about having his own guy. Kind of like how Sterlin was tied to Matt Mattox (sorry for rehashing them days).

[TFloss32]

New offer DT Sawyer Goram-Welch of Longview told OrangeBloods he will most likely use an official visit to UT.

He has been committed to OK State since October.

https://247sports.com/player/sawyer-goram-welch-46056596/

[TFloss32]

New offer DT Sawyer Goram-Welch of Longview told OrangeBloods he will most likely use an official visit to UT.

He has been committed to OK State since October.

https://247sports.com/player/sawyer-goram-welch-46056596/

OrangeBloods added that Herman, Coach Giles and Coach Warehime visited Longview yesterday and then did an in-home visit with Goram-Welch after school.

They like Texas' chances a lot.

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[TFloss32]

Inside Texas reporting Herman and Graham Harrell will be meeting in Houston today.

[TFloss32]

24/7 was able to confirm Graham Harrell has interviewed for the head coaching vacancies at UNLV and UTSA.

Texas would still be able to pay him more as an OC, but it obviously depends on what he ultimately wants.

[TFloss32]

USC fans melting down in comments.

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[texas4ever]

I honestly believe that if you mesh some of Herman's run concepts with Harrell's air raid, you're going to have something special that's maybe never been seen before. Call it the Power Raid offense. I know.... I should quit while I'm ahead.

[texas4ever]

Broughton has been admitted.

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[soldierhorn]

I honestly believe that if you mesh some of Herman's run concepts with Harrell's air raid, you're going to have something special that's maybe never been seen before. Call it the Power Raid offense. I know.... I should quit while I'm ahead.
It's Harrell that will have to do almost all the adjusting. Texas doesnt have a single raid/spread QB on the roster and Sam is not that type of QB. The QB they did have that is a classic spread QB transferred (Shane).

[texas4ever]

2019 All-Big 12 Football Awards Announced

Only Texas player to make 1st Team Big 12 was Duvernay & Shackelford. Cosmi and Brandon Jones make 2nd team. A few others honorable mention.

https://big12sports.com/news/2019/12/4/2019-all-big-12-football-awards-announced.aspx

[leemajors]

2019 All-Big 12 Football Awards Announced

Only Texas player to make 1st Team Big 12 was Shackelford. Cosmi and Brandon Jones make 2nd team. A few others honorable mention.

https://big12sports.com/news/2019/12/4/2019-all-big-12-football-awards-announced.aspx

And Duvernay first team.

[Hook Em 88]

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not a good look with an LSU account making the edit

[Ballin42]

https://247sports.com/Article/Stanford-football-Michael-Williams-transfer-portal-graduate-139840076/

[TFloss32]

The Football Brainiacs are saying Herman will be interviewing a DC candidate tomorrow, and it's not Chris Ash.

[bluetrumpet]

How did the meeting with Harrell gl today?

[texas4ever]

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[TFloss32]

How did the meeting with Harrell gl today?

No word on that yet, but a decision one way or the other shouldn't be too far off.

[TFloss32]

OrangeBloods saying Texas is still in touch with RB Kevontre Bradford of Lancaster in case things go sideways with RB Ty Jordan.

https://247sports.com/Player/Kevontre-Bradford-46041118/

[TFloss32]

Two new LB names to know.

- OrangeBloods saying Texas went by the school of Edgerrin Cooper of Covington, LA recently after de-committing from OU, and he won't be signing until February.

- Carrington is now following Utah commitment LB Jaylan Ford of Frisco Lone Star.

https://247sports.com/player/edgerrin-cooper-46058718/

https://247sports.com/Player/Jaylan-Ford-46051140/

[TFloss32]

FWIW, 24/7 believes Chris Ash will be the new DC and they're surprised Herman hasn't mentioned it yet.

[Bloeddyr10]

FWIW, 24/7 believes Chris Ash will be the new DC and they're surprised Herman hasn't mentioned it yet.

I guess this will be a battle of the insiders. 24/7 and Bobby Burton seems to be the only ones thinking Ash is the guy. Both IT and TFB seems to think he's a backup option and pretty far down the list.

[TFloss32]

2021 OL Donovan Jackson of Bellaire Episcopal is making his commitment on January 8th.

Texas looked really good here during the season, but it appears he will be headed to Ohio State.

https://247sports.com/Player/Donovan-Jackson-46047777/

[TFloss32]

24/7 reporting the result of the meeting with Graham Harrell yesterday is a guaranteed, three year deal worth $6.5 million.

He has since returned to Los Angeles before making a final decision.

[TFloss32]

The Football Brainiacs are reporting Texas will have an in-home visit tonight with DE Alfred Collins.

They believe Texas is trailing currently due to their bad season, but they will have until February to recruit him with the new defensive staff.

[SlickStreet]

The Football Brainiacs are reporting Texas will have an in-home visit tonight with DE Alfred Collins.

They believe Texas is trailing currently due to their bad season, but they will have until February to recruit him with the new defensive staff.
thanks, TFloss.
Considering all this year and the staff shake-up, that's probably as good a news as we could hope for--that he'll delay the decision (assuming he does). It can give our guys a chance to realign the pitch, hopefully just right.

It may well be that--despite assumptions by some elsewhere that he was ours to lose--had we stayed with the same staff, we would have had very little chance of signing him. Maybe this staff overhaul gives us a boost in the end.

[soldierhorn]

thanks, TFloss.
Considering all this year and the staff shake-up, that's probably as good a news as we could hope for--that he'll delay the decision (assuming he does). It can give our guys a chance to realign the pitch, hopefully just right.

It may well be that--despite assumptions by some elsewhere that he was ours to lose--had we stayed with the same staff, we would have had very little chance of signing him. Maybe this staff overhaul gives us a boost in the end.
agree...well said.

[TFloss32]

24/7 reporting the result of the meeting with Graham Harrell yesterday is a guaranteed, three year deal worth $6.5 million.

He has since returned to Los Angeles before making a final decision.

The Football Brainiacs agree the offer is in the $2 million range and Harrell is "very likely" to accept as that's too good to pass up and he can get back to Texas.

[TFloss32]

Per Inside Texas, UT is showing interest in five-star Penn State WR transfer Justin Shorter.

https://247sports.com/Player/Justin-Shorter-84829/

[TFloss32]

Coach Giles has started following JUCO DT Josh Ellison of Blinn.

He failed to qualify last year as an A&M commitment.

https://247sports.com/player/josh-ellison-46037856/

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[Hook Em 88]

Not sure what to make of Harrell not deciding if he wants to be in Austin yet? Is this normal or is he taking longer. I feel like once the numbers have been made public we have a decision pretty quick there after. Getting nervous...

[TFloss32]

As of this morning, Inside Texas still believes Graham Harrell will end up at Texas and there's some confidence coming from Moncrief, but they admit it's not a slam dunk.

They are encouraged that the meeting with Herman was set up before USC announced the fate of Clay Helton, meaning Harrell is definitely serious about Texas.

[TFloss32]

On Utah defensive coordinator Morgan Scalley...Inside Texas heard earlier this week that he told Texas "no", but they think it could've been more like a "not right now" because Utah is playing for their conference championship.

They mentioned Scalley knows he could potentially have more negotiating leverage soon as well, and Texas is supposedly working with a "significant" budget.

They don't believe Chris Ash falls into the category of someone you hand a blank check to, so if it doesn't end up being Scalley, it should be someone worth the cash.

[TFloss32]

OrangeBloods reporting Chris Ash is in Austin today interviewing for the DC position.

Herman intends on talking to at least three other candidates before making a decision, but Ash is considered the leader.

[Blake]

The Football Brainiacs agree the offer is in the $2 million range and Harrell is "very likely" to accept as that's too good to pass up and he can get back to Texas.

That sucks lol

[TFloss32]

OrangeBloods reporting Chris Ash is in Austin today interviewing for the DC position.

Herman intends on talking to at least three other candidates before making a decision, but Ash is considered the leader.

Correction by them.

Ash was in Austin yesterday.

[SlickStreet]

The Football Brainiacs agree the offer is in the $2 million range and Harrell is "very likely" to accept as that's too good to pass up and he can get back to Texas.
one of the things the IT writers noted, though, is that Harrell is an extremely loyal type of guy. It is going to be really difficult for him to turn down Helton, who absolutely will pull all the emotional (financial is secondary, though I'm sure that will be upped too) strings to keep him on board.

[satam55]

OrangeBloods saying Texas is still in touch with RB Kevontre Bradford of Lancaster in case things go sideways with RB Ty Jordan.

https://247sports.com/Player/Kevontre-Bradford-46041118/
Intresting considering Bradford is the better RB prospect.

[TFloss32]

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[Hook Em 88]

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I’ll never forget we had a chance to hire him and chose Charlie instead....

[satam55]

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I’ll never forget we had a chance to hire him and chose Charlie instead....
James Franklin NEVER excited me at all. He still doesn't. It wasn't a good look for him when he went 7-6 in each of his first 2 seasons at Penn State & abandoned his offense to to hire Joe Moorhead as OC.

Let's hope Tom Herman hiring a new OC works out the same way it did for James Franklin at Penn State.

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Inside Texas reporting Coach Hand spent most of the day at Fort Worth All Saints today checking on the Brockermeyers.

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[TFloss32]

James Franklin NEVER excited me at all. He still doesn't. It wasn't a good look for him when he went 7-6 in each of his first 2 seasons at Penn State & abandoned his offense to to hire Joe Moorhead as OC.

Let's hope Tom Herman hiring a new OC works out the same way it did for James Franklin at Penn State.

I think he would drown in the Big XII offensively.

He's a better fit where he is.

[TFloss32]

Herman checking out 2021 WR JoJo Earle of Aledo and the HC of Ennis is the father of Graham Harrell.

Not a bad choice of game, huh?

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[TFloss32]

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Brutal.

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[woofwoof]

welp 2 questions: should we go after Oregon's OC and are we still going to go after Morgan Scalley?

[TheMex]

welp 2 questions: should we go after Oregon's OC and are we still going to go after Morgan Scalley?
Have you only watch one football game all season?

[woofwoof]

Have you only watch one football game all season?

Nope I've suffered/rejoiced through all Texas games this year. Did watch Utah lose to USC and have reviewed Utahs A&M-like schedule. Sorry beating BYU and Washington (when both are really medicore) doesn't make me overly joyous to bring him in. On the other hand, Oregons OC looked pretty good against Auburn and pretty good tonight. Also is a possible hire for HC at UNLV. Doesnt seem like many Big Name schools are going after him so why not us?

Granted you asking a smart-ass question and maybe didnt want me to go in depth but figured I'd take a higher road and explain my questions rather than take this to 24/7 level.

BYU 30-12
NIU 35-17
Idaho State 31-0
USC 23-30 (L)
WSU 38-13
ORST 52-7
(17) ASU 21-3
CAL 35-0
WASH 33-28
UCLA 49-3
ARIZ 35-7
COLO 45-15
(13)OREGON 15-37

2 ranked opponents (1-1) UT went (1-3) wins-losses

Nobody scored a crazy amount of points but it isnt like they played offenses as fast as the ones (and as skilled) week in and out as we do in our conference.

I just want to win...

[TheMex]

Fair enough.

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[pgardn]

Nope I've suffered/rejoiced through all Texas games this year. Did watch Utah lose to USC and have reviewed Utahs A&M-like schedule. Sorry beating BYU and Washington (when both are really medicore) doesn't make me overly joyous to bring him in. On the other hand, Oregons OC looked pretty good against Auburn and pretty good tonight. Also is a possible hire for HC at UNLV. Doesnt seem like many Big Name schools are going after him so why not us?

Granted you asking a smart-ass question and maybe didnt want me to go in depth but figured I'd take a higher road and explain my questions rather than take this to 24/7 level.

BYU 30-12
NIU 35-17
Idaho State 31-0
USC 23-30 (L)
WSU 38-13
ORST 52-7
(17) ASU 21-3
CAL 35-0
WASH 33-28
UCLA 49-3
ARIZ 35-7
COLO 45-15
(13)OREGON 15-37

2 ranked opponents (1-1) UT went (1-3) wins-losses

Nobody scored a crazy amount of points but it isnt like they played offenses as fast as the ones (and as skilled) week in and out as we do in our conference.

I just want to win...

This really get to the heart of the problem.
We take the current shiny object as it has not had the environment to get tainted.
This evaluation of coaches needs to take some time.
But then for recruiting purposes and to get people on board and acquainted, we need it fast... This is tough..

At one time we were sure Orlando was gone off to a head coaching job and were worried about how to replace him. So we shoved money at him. Same deal with Muschamp (coach in waiting). I really want people who know how to teach these positions. Scheme is fine, but if we cant tackle... Herman seems tremendously organized with his approach to practicing and getting ready for games, then we call a timeout the first time we get the ball because we dont have a play ready and everyone on the same page? I find this really disturbing.

[woofwoof]

The current regime's main problem is development. With as much flaunting as Herman does about his recruiting classes, in 3 years, we shouldnt be losing to Iowa State, Baylor, etc. LSU-like teams and Oklahoma, sure we get that those are coin flip games... but we shouldnt be sitting on the edge of our seats every damn week.

Really looking at the roster for growth and development:

Sam has gotten better since his freshman-interception riddled season
Ingram got stronger, Roschon maybe be just better/hungrier
Cosmi and the rest of the line were better than freshman year.
Tight ends were invisible throughout most of the year
WRs, besides DD, Eagles let me down many times this year, he needs to hit the jugs EVERY night to get to his full potential (hopefully the coaching was the issue here)
DL- no matter if we are in a 3-4 or a 4-3 the defensive lines job is to stop the run and with the recruits we get, I can easily say we failed this year in stopping the run. Maybe scheme, rather planning and not using the many safeties we have as a qb spy, I'm not sure but it seemed most weeks we had trouble stopping the run.
Lbs- terrible and we literally are keeping ossai from being as dominant as chase young by having him cover open areas, is he pretty good in coverage yes is he our best player maybe but he would still benefit from putting his hand in the ground and getting smarter the qb every play.
DBS- complete failure. Everybody wanted Anthony cook, Jalen green, and deshawn, cant say that boyce was wanted as wildly as the rest but we still saw he get jogged out there quite often. He shouldnt have been. Safeties regressed this year. B jones was many times out of passing defense position and sterns was missing in action too much to get a good read...

These players are not getting developed the way they need to be. Looking deeper at that will tell you what coaches need to be replaced.

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[Vito Corleone]

We need a good bowl opponent, and a good win. We get that and we can salvage the rest of this season and get good momentum going into recruiting in 2020. I want to see the same effort we showed against LSU. We do that and we will win, convincingly against anyone not named LSU.

[200 miles]

And also not named Ohio St. Or Clemson.

[GregoryJim]

Geez, OU needs to fire its entire offensive staff. How could they possible not score 40+ points on Baylor's D. I mean Baylor's D is nothing but 2 and 3 stars and OU's offense is all 4+ stars.

Oh wait, maybe Baylor's players and coaches are pretty good. Maybe that's the reason they are 11-1 and almost beat OU the first time.

While OU is at it they should fire all their D coaches too. Cause the Horns D coaches were terrible and cannot develop talent and can barely put together a sentence and we held Baylor to 24 points despite having no offense and having to play the whole game against Brewer.

Good thing OU didn't have horrible coaches like Beck and Orlando.

[GregoryJim]

Damn. 14-0 LSU. 1st Q.

Time for Georgia to fire all their coaches. How could they possibly be getting skunked with all their 5 stars. It doesn’t matter their top 3 wrs out.

If Beck and Orlando could lose to LSU by 7 with no 5 stars then Kirby gotta go. Kirby clearly not developing talent. Plus he lost last year to the horns v the horns mentally challenged coaches. Maybe we can pick up Kirby after he’s let go.

[TFloss32]

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DT Sawyer Goram-Welch (Longview)

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[Trill Clinton]

i took this at the duncanville game today..........in pic oc rhett lashlee wr coach samples ol coach hand & carrington/herman........they didnt look like rivals they all went inside together :reading:stirpot:

https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/793/558/9558793.jpeg?width=600&fit=bounds

Hmm indeed.

[texas4ever]

Herman hanging with mama JQJ!

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[texas4ever]

DT Sawyer Goram-Welch (Longview)

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https://247sports.com/player/sawyer-goram-welch-46056596/

Looking good for Texas here and he'll be an early enrollee, per OrangeBloods.

[horninok]

Is the pursuit of Goram-Welch a sign of someone moving on, losing out on a higher preferred kid, or simply adding depth to the DL?

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[texas4ever]

Is the pursuit of Goram-Welch a sign of someone moving on, losing out on a higher preferred kid, or simply adding depth to the DL?

It has nothing to do with Collins, IMO. Different type of players. This may have to do with Princely decommitting more than anything. SG-W is a big ass DT.

[horninok]

Looks like a dominant 3 tech type in a 4 man line. The type of guy that commands double teams and frees up others to get pressure. Can't have too many of those imo.

[satam55]

Is the pursuit of Goram-Welch a sign of someone moving on, losing out on a higher preferred kid, or simply adding depth to the DL?


It has nothing to do with Collins, IMO. Different type of players. This may have to do with Princely decommitting more than anything. SG-W is a big ass DT.


Looks like a dominant 3 tech type in a 4 man line. The type of guy that commands double teams and frees up others to get pressure. Can't have too many of those imo.

Actually that's what a NT does. A 3-technique DT is gonna be more of an athletic playmaker/inside passrusher.

[horninok]

Depends on the scheme. Many people play their best pure DL at the Strong Tackle position where they command a double team then play their second best DL or a wrestler, (quick and strong) kid at NG. Just depends on what particular preference of the DC. In a 3 man front like Orlando preferred, the NG has to be big and strong to eat up 2 blockers.

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[satam55]

https://twitter.com/EricNahlin/status/1203716489569804288

Nahlin is disgusted at the ideas/rumors that Rhett Lashlee might be a serious OC candidate right now.

Nahlin's exact quote when IT subs were talking about Herman & Lashlee talking at the Duncanville/Southlake Carroll game and whether Harrell said no:

'Really weak. We aren’t going to pussy foot with a page three back up while we are waiting for our guy to formally accept.'"

[TFloss32]

https://twitter.com/EricNahlin/status/1203716489569804288

Nahlin is disgusted at the ideas/rumors that Rhett Lashlee might be a serious OC candidate right now.

Nahlin's exact quote when IT subs were talking about Herman & Lashlee talking at the Duncanville/Southlake Carroll game and whether Harrell said no:

'Really weak. We aren’t going to pussy foot with a page three back up while we are waiting for our guy to formally accept.'"

Herman may as well clean out his office if he thinks he's hiring Lashlee and that will turn things around, but thankfully that's not the plan.

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CB Josh Eaton of Aldine MacArthur to OU.

https://247sports.com/Player/Joshua-Eaton-46042923/

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[TFloss32]

Inside Texas had a quick update on the Graham Harrell sweepstakes.

USC hosted a handful of official visitors this weekend, and they take it as a good sign that nothing positive has been announced on their side with recruits in town.

It's possible Harrell simply wasn't going to leave Helton before a bunch of guys made their official visits because their class is so bad as it is.

Either way, Texas' side still feels good, they believe Harrell and his wife want to return to Texas and he's just waiting for the appropriate time to announce.

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[Kermit]

Awesome.

[SlickStreet]

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before yesterday, I've had said this (Clem-Ohio St) is in essence your title game. That may still be the case, but LSU's defense seems to have picked it up a significant notch down the stretch, and Ohio State struggled more than I expected (even though Wisconsin is a good team).

[SlickStreet]

Inside Texas had a quick update on the Graham Harrell sweepstakes.

USC hosted a handful of official visitors this weekend, and they take it as a good sign that nothing positive has been announced on their side with recruits in town.

It's possible Harrell simply wasn't going to leave Helton before a bunch of guys made their official visits because their class is so bad as it is.

Either way, Texas' side still feels good, they believe Harrell and his wife want to return to Texas and he's just waiting for the appropriate time to announce.

supposedly (second hand per the poster on IT), USC thinks they have a pretty good shot after applying a lot of pressure to GH and throwing in some prospective HCIW stuff (which is quite possibly far-fetched that he'd be that serious a contender, but....).

[Vito Corleone]

supposedly (second hand per the poster on IT), USC thinks they have a pretty good shot after applying a lot of pressure to GH and throwing in some prospective HCIW stuff (which is quite possibly far-fetched that he'd be that serious a contender, but....).

How stupid is that? That is like being second in charge of the titanic, if the Captain dies you are in charge. If he stays then it's a blessing for Texas because no one that stupid should get 2 million a year.

[SlickStreet]

How stupid is that? That is like being second in charge of the titanic, if the Captain dies you are in charge. If he stays then it's a blessing for Texas because no one that stupid should get 2 million a year.
yeah, assuming even true, it's just an indication they're trying to throw everything possible toward him to help him want to stay. I suspect he'd see thru the fog there, but I guess we'll see soon enough

[horninok]

Seems to me that if GH was there around recruits and not staying, it would be a pretty awkward situation. I would think that some of the recruits would want to know that if any of them were on the offensive side. Just seems a little strange they would want him there at all if they didn't believe he was staying.

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[Blake]

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Looks like Bielema

[Blake]

Can someone explain how ut got the tiebreaker to finish third and head to the Alamo?

[soldierhorn]

Can someone explain how ut got the tiebreaker to finish third and head to the Alamo?
I could be wrong but in case of a tie, I think the bowl committee just picks who they want and that is usually based on economics

[Scholz]

Exactly. The last 2 times Texas played there gave the Alamo Bowl their highest tv ratings. Also, more butts in the seats.

[TheMex]

Wait... we tied for third? Wtf

[soldierhorn]

Wait... we tied for third? Wtf
yes, Texas, oSu, KSU & ISU were all 5-4 in conference play

[Kermit]

Wait... we tied for third? Wtf

We’re baaaaaaack!

[TFloss32]

Appalachian State coach to Mizzou.

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:pctoss

[Blake]

We’re baaaaaaack!

:lol

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[Trill Clinton]

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Wow this guy had a helluva come up. Seems like yesterday he was just a HS coach lol.

[Randolph Duke]

Can someone explain how ut got the tiebreaker to finish third and head to the Alamo?

The short answer is there is no tiebreaker when selecting Big 12 bowls. The Alamo Bowl committee picked UT.

The long story is that the Big 12 bowl selection process first fills the CFP spot (if eligible). Next, there are agreements with the "contract bowls" that are filled (Sugar Bowl taking the #1 or #2 finisher for Big 12). After that, a priority exists where bowls follow a defined order and select an unclaimed team. Those bowls are listed below in order.

The first to choose is the Alamo Bowl. The Alamo bowl picked Texas over any other Big 12 school. The bowl was free to pick any bowl eligible school, regardless of conference standing. The order of finishing in conference play has no impact after the CFP and contract bowls for Big 12 schools. The choice of the remaining teams after CFP and contract bowl is entirely up to each bowl committee, not the conference.

Other conferences have different procedures.

The order of choice is as follows:

Valero Alamo
Camping World
Academy Sports + Outdoors Texas
AutoZone Liberty
Cheez-It
SERVPRO First Responder

https://big12sports.com/news/2019/5/23/211718886.aspx

[Jimmiemac]

Appalachian State coach to Mizzou.

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You can buy a lot of drinks wit that....

[Blake]

The short answer is there is no tiebreaker when selecting Big 12 bowls. The Alamo Bowl committee picked UT.

The long story is that the Big 12 bowl selection process first fills the CFP spot (if eligible). Next, there are agreements with the "contract bowls" that are filled (Sugar Bowl taking the #1 or #2 finisher for Big 12). After that, a priority exists where bowls follow a defined order and select an unclaimed team. Those bowls are listed below in order.

The first to choose is the Alamo Bowl. The Alamo bowl picked Texas over any other Big 12 school. The bowl was free to pick any bowl eligible school, regardless of conference standing. The order of finishing in conference play has no impact after the CFP and contract bowls for Big 12 schools. The choice of the remaining teams after CFP and contract bowl is entirely up to each bowl committee, not the conference.

Other conferences have different procedures.

The order of choice is as follows:

Valero Alamo
Camping World
Academy Sports + Outdoors Texas
AutoZone Liberty
Cheez-It
SERVPRO First Responder

https://big12sports.com/news/2019/5/23/211718886.aspx





So the horns finished third because the Alamo Bowl said so.

Ok

[longhorncliff]

Concerning assistants. No news is good news?

[soldierhorn]

So the horns finished third because the Alamo Bowl said so.
Ok

no. the Horns finished third because they finished third. The Alamo bowl simply made a business decision.

[kutrati]

Can someone explain how ut got the tiebreaker to finish third and head to the Alamo?

We finished 3rd because of the big 12 tie breaker rules: https://big12sports.com/news/2008/7/31/1546006.aspx

Texas, OSU, KSU, and ISU were all tied at 5-4
In the event of a 2 way tie, head to head is taken into account
In the event of a 3+ way tie, the records of the teams against each other is the #1 criteria.
Texas and OSU were 2-1 against the other three, while KSU and ISU were 1-2 against the other 3. Therefore, KSU and ISU are eliminated.
Since just Texas and OSU are left, the tiebreaker reverts to a 2 way tie, where Texas has the head to head over OSU.

Therefore, Texas is 3rd and OSU is 4th in the Big12.
KSU beat ISU so they are 5th and ISU is 6th.

[TheMex]

We finished 3rd because of the big 12 tie breaker rules: https://big12sports.com/news/2008/7/31/1546006.aspx

Texas, OSU, KSU, and ISU were all tied at 5-4
In the event of a 2 way tie, head to head is taken into account
In the event of a 3+ way tie, the records of the teams against each other is the #1 criteria.
Texas and OSU were 2-1 against the other three, while KSU and ISU were 1-2 against the other 3. Therefore, KSU and ISU are eliminated.
Since just Texas and OSU are left, the tiebreaker reverts to a 2 way tie, where Texas has the head to head over OSU.

Therefore, Texas is 3rd and OSU is 4th in the Big12.
KSU beat ISU so they are 5th and ISU is 6th.
Shut up! You make too much sense. #weeereback

[DMX7]

It feels good to be back! :nutkick:

[pgardn]

So we did finish third and the Alamo Bowl made a good business decision.
Somehow I am still left feeling in the trough of a sea of high expectations.

Please pray for me as I am all balled up.

[Mano]

So the horns finished third because the Alamo Bowl said so.

Ok
Unsurprisingly a Tech guy doesn’t understand the bowl selection process or have reading comprehension. Where Texas ended up in the standings has nothing to do with which bowl they go to.

[Randolph Duke]

So the horns finished third because the Alamo Bowl said so.

Ok

The Horns finishing anywhere in the standings and the team going to the Alamo Bowl are completely unrelated. As long as the teams are bowl-eligible, the bowl committee whose turn it is to choose a Big 12 team is free to choose the lowest bowl-eligible finisher, or any other unassigned team.

If a Big 12 team is in the CFP, only the second place conference finisher is contractually bound to go to a particular bowl. After that, the bowls pick whoever they want, regardless of where they finished in the standings. There are no tie-breakers to determine which teams go to which non-CFP or non-contract bowls.

The concept of tie-breakers to determine bowl "assignments" simply does not exist in the Big 12 for teams finishing below 2nd in the standings. That concept has been fabricated by individuals who do not or can not understand the bowl selection process for Big 12 schools.

The Alamo Bowl evidently thought Texas would be the biggest draw, so they picked Texas.

[Scholz]

So the horns finished third because the Alamo Bowl said so.

Ok

Read better

[Vito Corleone]

Alamo Bowl wants to make money, so they invited the one school that guaranteed them a big pay day.

[DMX7]

Alamo Bowl wants to make money, so they invited the one school that guaranteed them a big pay day.

Pretty simple.

[TFloss32]

Morgan Scalley officially staying at Utah.

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and Aggies get Texas bowl with OSU.

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Herman sure has Moncrief on lockdown currently. Great job by him. Without PlayBlair stalking (kidding) him at the game, we wouldn't even know about Lashlee being around Herman. I hope he has a great understanding and grasp of what he wants for now and the future.

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Per The Football Brainiacs, Texas went to see DE Princely Umanmielen of Manor recently and things went so well that he could end up signing with UT.

It sounds like there was emphasis on the new defensive scheme and staff.

[TFloss32]

Also from The Football Brainiacs, they heard Barry Odom was in Dallas yesterday at the same time as Herman.

Odom is supposedly a candidate for the new opening at Memphis, but they believe an offensive coach will ultimately get that job.

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Inside Texas thinks this could complicate the DC search a bit as the LSU opening would potentially be a more desirable spot than UT.

Texas may be moving faster here because of it.

[TFloss32]

RB Ty Jordan of West Mesquite has flipped to Utah.