Official 2016 Spurs Offseason Thread

[BillMc]

So when you factor in age and money which would you rather have Ian or Pau?

[timtonymanu]

Mahinmi would be a nice get. Wouldn't mind him at all. Then Georgie can come back next year.

[jyra]

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Eh.. I'd rather have Ian.

[objective]

That Mirza deal seems a little too much. Maybe it's the third year.

[raybies]

While Pau Gasol would be a nice get, who would you rather have Pau or Ian?

Ian is exactly the type of center we need defensively. He's mobile, athletic, can play the pnr and is not broken offense. He's not too old so you can build a core with him.

As for Pau, he's offensively very gifted and can pass and can guard the post etc but can you even play him in the fourth quarter against golden state or Cleveland?

Right now I would take ian at the same price which I'm guessing would be 10-14 million per. Al's signing gives me hope one of those two can be had for 10. Gonna need some cap to sign bertans or borrousis.

Anyways who you got Pau or Ian?

[objective]

So when you factor in age and money which would you rather have Ian or Pau?

Ian all day.

Ian guards everywhere on the floor.

[raybies]

So when you factor in age and money which would you rather have Ian or Pau?

Read my mind...

[Chinook]

Whatever it would take to get either Hill or Ian, just throw it at Dedmon.

[objective]

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Eh.. I'd rather have Ian.

Even if Ian signs somewhere else, I don't want Jordan Hill

[DPG21920]

Spurs have to try and improve this year - they are a damn good team that needs youth & athleticism (amongst other things). But it is a fine balance.

Can't blow it for next year for no reason. Only do that if you truly believe you get someone that elevates your chances. On the flip side, while everyone is looking at "value" you can't just sign anyone. You need to improve and also have to find guys who can play, not ones who will just come cheaply.

But if you are going to err, you have to do it cheap youth..

[Keepin' it real]

So when you factor in age and money which would you rather have Ian or Pau?

Even at 36, Pau is enticing, but I'd prefer Ian with this defensive skills, and then the Spurs could blow the rest of their load on Dirk and call it an offseason!

[Hoops Czar]

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"But we'd rather have Al Jefferson who's none of those things."

[DPG21920]

Ian all day.

Ian guards everywhere on the floor.

Spurs need some offense however from the 5 if they aren't getting an upgrade at PG. It's tough. Spurs defense would still be damn good with Ian and he can finish better than current Tim, but that would be 2 spots again (PG/C) that really can't score with no upgrades on the bench either at guard.

Tough, but may be what we deal with this year until SA can do more next year or swing a trade mid-season.

[NASpurs]

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[raybies]

"But we'd rather have Al Jefferson"

I wonder why, my guess is that they think he'll be in line for mozgov money. I hope not. If he could come in at a reasonable price...

[DPG21920]

I mean, at best, we are looking at 14M in cap space? More likely 10M. That is not enough to bring in Ian or Pau + other players.

Spurs have to sign Boban, likely Ginobili, Bertans....this is rough.

[AFBlue]

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Good get for the Grizz. They sorely needed outside shooting. I'd flinch at the price, except it now appears to be the norm.

[objective]

Spurs need some offense however from the 5 if they aren't getting an upgrade at PG. It's tough. Spurs defense would still be damn good with Ian and he can finish better than current Tim, but that would be 2 spots again (PG/C) that really can't score with no upgrades on the bench either at guard.

Tough, but may be what we deal with this year until SA can do more next year or swing a trade mid-season.

I don't think the offense is a big deal. Ian would score more than Duncan has been. And would have better against OKC.

Pau's scoring would be offset by his terrible defense. And diva demands for touches.

Imagine Ian on pick and roll defense instead of Duncan ... Spurs defense is even fiercer. Teams will be strangled.

[TheGoldStandard]

I mean, at best, we are looking at 14M in cap space? More likely 10M. That is not enough to bring in Ian or Pau + other players.

Spurs have to sign Boban, likely Ginobili, Bertans....this is rough.


Unless RC tells Manu, Tim and Parker to hit the bricks

[NASpurs]

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:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[AFBlue]

I mean, at best, we are looking at 14M in cap space? More likely 10M. That is not enough to bring in Ian or Pau + other players.

Spurs have to sign Boban, likely Ginobili, Bertans....this is rough.

I trust the FO to clear enough space to make it work if the free agents are motivated to be here.

[BillMc]

Unless RC tells Manu, Tim and Parker to hit the bricks

Or trade Diaw?

[NASpurs]

I'm sorry but :lmao :lmao :lmao

This is ridiculous

[tmtcsc]

Good get for the Grizz. They sorely needed outside shooting. I'd flinch at the price, except it now appears to be the norm.

Welp, Conley isn't going anywhere. Dallas fails again. Lol, no Whiteside, no Conley.

[BillMc]

Welp, Conley isn't going anywhere. Dallas fails again. Lol, no Whiteside, no Conley.

Mavs will be stuck with Howard probably. Poor Dirk

[HarlemHeat37]

Wow, even with the inflation, that Evan Turner deal is painful to see:lol

19 per year for a bad basketball player..

[DPG21920]

I don't think the offense is a big deal. Ian would score more than Duncan has been. And would have better against OKC.

Pau's scoring would be offset by his terrible defense. And diva demands for touches.

Imagine Ian on pick and roll defense instead of Duncan ... Spurs defense is even fiercer. Teams will be strangled.

I agree the defense would be stacked, but to me it's all net gain/loss. I think the defense was amazing last year and Gasol while not better than Tim at post defense does OK in that regard so I don't know if the defense would take a big step back. The offense, to me, would have the chance to step way forward though.

I wouldn't be mad at Ian at all. He's not "young" but younger than Gasol and you can fill other needs (scoring) next year easier than getting a good defensive C probably too. I see the appeal, but I do think SA needs offense more too. Especially at guard with TP/Manu/DG all limited scorers now and DG role not to "score".

[elemento]

Evan Turner just got a 4y/75m deal :lmao

[AFBlue]

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:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

Looks like Portland moved on from Parsons pretty quick.

[TheGoldStandard]

Or trade Diaw?

Include that as well.. That'd give them enough room to get ready for a title run in 2 years.

[AFBlue]

Turner is actually a good fit with that backcourt in Portland. Terrible contract though.

[objective]

Ouch @ Turner.

Portland is going to wish they had Parsons.

[Southwest Texas Fan]

Read on My San Antonio that The Spurs were guaranteeing the rest of Simmons contract.

[loveforthegame]

These contracts. :lol

[DPG21920]

Unless RC tells Manu, Tim and Parker to hit the bricks

Well, Tim and TP are under contract. So they can't.

[NASpurs]

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[Dunc n Dave]

"But we'd rather have Al Jefferson who's none of those things."

Vogel doesn't coach the Pacers anymore. He was fired and now coaches the Magic.

[AFBlue]

Woj corrected himself on Turner. He's only getting $70M, not $75M. So that changes everything.

[timtonymanu]

Woj corrected himself on Turner. He's only getting $70M, not $75M. So that changes everything.

Still too expensive, even with the inflation.

[DPG21920]

What was Fourniers max?

[houston spurs fan]

Mavs will be stuck with Howard probably. Poor Dirk
I think he goes home to the Atl

[TheGoldStandard]

Well, Tim and TP are under contract. So they can't.

Trade them.. those deals would be great in this market.

[BillMc]

Non-Durant suiters making the most of opening day.:lol

[AFBlue]

Still too expensive, even with the inflation.

I couldn't find the sarcasm font. Sorry for the confusion.

[DPG21920]

Non-Durant suiters making the most of opening day.:lol

Thank goodness KD saved the contenders from acting like idiots. Reverse sabotage backfire!

[BillMc]

I think he goes home to the Atl

Maybe. But doesn't that depend on whether Holford bolts?

[AFBlue]

What was Fourniers max?

Dunno, but $14M a year is insane.

[BillMc]

Thank goodness KD saved the contenders from acting like idiots. Reverse sabotage backfire!

Ha ha. Well put. :lol:toast

[NASpurs]

Thank goodness KD saved the contenders from acting like idiots. Reverse sabotage backfire!

There's a silver lining in everything I guess. :lol

[DPG21920]

I feel bad for the Mavs :lol

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[DPG21920]

Dunno, but $14M a year is insane.

Lowe is citing that all things considered, ORL signed him for less than his max which in this environment with Turner getting 70M & other teams willing to pay, that is a win.

That is where value makes sense, although the context is hard. Fournier is a good player and young enough and you have to look at % of the cap for him and with that in mind, deal makes pretty good sense even though the raw dollar amount is high.

[TheGoldStandard]

I feel bad for the Mavs :lol

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Cuban needs to bring in Alec Baldwin to do his Glengarry speech to the staff..

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol the Spurs' rivals in the 2000s have all become clown shows, tbh..Lakers can't even get a meeting with any decent FA, Mavs have went completely downhill since 2011 and the Suns are the worst franchise in the West..puts things in perspective..

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

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Patty's market value right there.

[BillMc]

:lol the Spurs' rivals in the 2000s have all become clown shows, tbh..Lakers can't even get a meeting with any decent FA, Mavs have went completely downhill since 2011 and the Suns are the worst franchise in the West..puts things in perspective..
+1 million

[houston spurs fan]

Maybe. But doesn't that depend on whether Holford bolts?
I think so, word is if they'll max him he'll stay. If Parsons is getting maxed surely Horford will...

[benefactor]

:lol tlong

[NikosChelsea7]

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[DPG21920]

Well, no doubt POR has more money to offer than SA. Will be interesting.

[Kindergarten Cop]

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Didn't Gasol state that he would only sign with a Championship contender?

[HarlemHeat37]

Portland determined to become a real 2nd round team, tbh..

[NASpurs]

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[Robz4000]

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Good

[DPG21920]

Portland determined to become a real 2nd round team, tbh..

Dude, they might have actually gotten worse. They could be a big time regression team. Pau would help some, but the guys they are losing (depth) to get Turner are better players with more upside.

I actually think they are worse.

[ace3g]

Alex Kennedy @AlexKennedyNBA
(https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA)The San Antonio Spurs have expressed interest in Willie Reed, according to sources.

[timtonymanu]

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Cleveland's scrub unit banking in right now :lol

[DPG21920]

Didn't Gasol state that he would only sign with a Championship contender?

Sure, but he's not a ring chaser type (or at least has not been). He won't play for a Lakers type for money, but he's taking the most money he can from a team that will be a playoff team usually.

[BillMc]

Alex Kennedy @AlexKennedyNBA
(https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA)The San Antonio Spurs have expressed interest in Willie Reed, according to sources.


The youth movement at last!:toast

Oh, wait, I thought it said Willis Reed....

[Chinook]

Alex Kennedy @AlexKennedyNBA
(https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA)The San Antonio Spurs have expressed interest in Willie Reed, according to sources.


The Spurs are lifting up the barrel and scrapping down several inches into the ground with that one.

[HarlemHeat37]

Dude, they might have actually gotten worse. They could be a big time regression team. Pau would help some, but the guys they are losing (depth) to get Turner are better players with more upside.

I actually think they are worse.

I was referring to how active they have reportedly been in FA, so far:lol

They were barely a playoff team, last year, let alone a legit 2nd rounder..

[timtonymanu]

Who's Willie Reed?

[Dex]

Spurs being linked to a lot of bigmen.

Pau, Bourousis, Humphries, Mahinmi, Mozgov....

This, coupled with the fact that we've retained Bobo, extended a qualifying offer to Boban, and are forever stuck with Bonner...is making it seem increasingly more likely that Timmy is gonna hang 'em up.

:depressed

[Ron Swanson]

NBA=fucked

[HarlemHeat37]

I remember Reed had some nice games when Lopez sat out IIRC, but I don't know anything else about him..

[TD 21]

I'm not even going to bother judging the money. In terms of fit, Turner gets them one step closer to poor man's Warriors . . .

- He can function as their Livingston, in that he can play point guard (offensively; he can't defend it), with Lillard/McCollum off ball. Given their gravity, they should be able to get good mileage out of myriad off ball actions.

- If they keep Leonard (provides enough stretch to keep the lane open), he can also function as their Green, in terms of being the screen setter in the pick and roll, when their guards are being trapped and picking teams apart 4 on 3.

[Robz4000]

Spurs being linked to a lot of bigmen.

Pau, Bourousis, Humphries, Mahinmi, Mozgov....

This, coupled with the fact that we've retained Bobo, extended a qualifying offer to Boban, and are forever stuck with Bonner...is making it seem increasingly more likely that Timmy is gonna hang 'em up.

:depressed

Spurs desperately need another rebounding big regardless of whether Tim retires or not.

[Dex]

Well, no doubt POR has more money to offer than SA. Will be interesting.

Pau went for the money (and operas, wtf) last time with Chicago, and saw how that worked out.

Hopefully he is willing to take a pay cut for a legit shot at a title this time around.

Where is TSpence when you need him!?

[Dex]

Spurs desperately need another rebounding big regardless of whether Tim retires or not.

Good point. I guess they gotta prepare for the potential loss of Tim, West, and Bonner.

[TheGoldStandard]

Matt Bonner about to make 12m a season

[r0drig0lac]

Alex Kennedy @AlexKennedyNBA
(https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA)The San Antonio Spurs have expressed interest in Willie Reed, according to sources.


good

[DPG21920]

I was referring to how active they have reportedly been in FA, so far:lol

They were barely a playoff team, last year, let alone a legit 2nd rounder..

I got you. I thought you were implying that them losing who they will but adding Turner would improve them to a 2nd round team.

They literally may have just spent money to get worse :lol

[Nathan89]

Ian is exactly what I didn't want. The offense simply can't function without another player that can dribble. We have two complete non dribblers in lma and green. If we can get solid deal though it's worth acquiring a useful role player now before the cap goes up even more next year. A stud pg becomes essential with our existing roster though. Obviously that won't happen this year but maybe next year we can make a run at cp3. We will still be very competitive this year but we have very little chance at a ring. Locking up a solid role player for years to come is important though and Ian would do just that.

[Hoops Czar]

Portland determined to become a real 2nd round team, tbh..

They'll have some competition with the Spurs, tbh.

[apalisoc_9]

But Kawhi gets all the help and have very talented teamates :cry

[NASpurs]

Ian is exactly what I didn't want. The offense simply can't function without another player that can dribble. We have two complete non dribblers in lma and green. If we can get solid deal though it's worth acquiring a useful role player now before the cap goes up even more next year. A stud pg becomes essential with our existing roster though. Obviously that won't happen this year but maybe next year we can make a run at cp3. We will still be very competitive this year but we have very little chance at a ring. Locking up a solid role player for years to come is important though and Ian would do just that.

Terrance Jones is still out there, and will probably get $15 mil a year. There's also teams like Dallas that exist and will probably throw big money at someone like Jones.

[Jdspur20]

Spurs desperately need another rebounding big regardless of whether Tim retires or not.

Yep.

[NASpurs]

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[DPG21920]

I'm not even going to bother judging the money. In terms of fit, Turner gets them one step closer to poor man's Warriors . . .

- He can function as their Livingston, in that he can play point guard (offensively; he can't defend it), with Lillard/McCollum off ball. Given their gravity, they should be able to get good mileage out of myriad off ball actions.

- If they keep Leonard (provides enough stretch to keep the lane open), he can also function as their Green, in terms of being the screen setter in the pick and roll, when their guards are being trapped and picking teams apart 4 on 3.

Woah. That's all well and good except Turner is way worse than Livingston and Leonard way worse than Green. They got worse as of now IMO. If they don't sign a good big man, I think they miss out on the playoffs possibly. Only saving grace is Mavs may have dropped out of the playoffs and other than UTA, no one beneath them improved.

But I think they got worse as of now, but they aren't done yet. Turner is literally a below average player who can't shoot.

[TD 21]

People overreact to every name the Spurs are rumored to have "expressed interest" in. It's called due diligence. They can't just express interest in one or two names because there's no certainty with how things will turn out and if they can't get option one or two and didn't reach out to other names early while others did, it'll only make it more difficult to get them at that point.



Woah. That's all well and good except Turner is way worse than Livingston and Leonard way worse than Green. They got worse as of now IMO. If they don't sign a good big man, I think they miss out on the playoffs possibly. Only saving grace is Mavs may have dropped out of the playoffs and other than UTA, no one beneath them improved.

But I think they got worse as of now, but they aren't done yet. Turner is literally a below average player who can't shoot.

I said poor man's version and I didn't compare the players in terms of level, but similarity and how they'll be utilized. Leonard would function as Barnes, with Aminu as Iguodala, in that scenario/lineup.

Livingston can't shoot threes and is a fine fit. Turner won't primarily spot up, he'll essentially be the backup point guard (on offense).

I'm not a fan or saying I'd have signed him, but I see the fit.

[DPG21920]

Who's Willie Reed?

Played for BKY. Actually showed some pretty damn nice flashes here and there. Very good athlete but not much else and hard to peg because he was in BKY.

[timtonymanu]

Played for BKY. Actually showed some pretty damn nice flashes here and there. Very good athlete but not much else and hard to peg because he was in BKY.

Thanks! Sounds a lot like a slightly better Jeff Ayres. :lol

[objective]

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Larry Bird declined his rookie option year that would have been under $2 million iirc

Pacers.

[Dro210]

I like Willie Reed, lot of potential imo

[DPG21920]

Thanks! Sounds a lot like a slightly better Jeff Ayres. :lol

Well, think of him like a worse Jeff Ayres before Ayres got injured. Reed does't have much of an offensive game and while his tools help him on defense, he's pretty raw there. Ayres could at least shoot which Reed doesn't have that.

[SAGirl]

While Pau Gasol would be a nice get, who would you rather have Pau or Ian?

Ian is exactly the type of center we need defensively. He's mobile, athletic, can play the pnr and is not broken offense. He's not too old so you can build a core with him.

As for Pau, he's offensively very gifted and can pass and can guard the post etc but can you even play him in the fourth quarter against golden state or Cleveland?

Right now I would take ian at the same price which I'm guessing would be 10-14 million per. Al's signing gives me hope one of those two can be had for 10. Gonna need some cap to sign bertans or borrousis.

Anyways who you got Pau or Ian?
Ian. Might cost Boban right? Cap vexes me

[objective]

I love Boban.

But I think I'd rather have Ian & Milutinov than Pau & Boban. I think ... maybe.

[BillMc]

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I almost don't care. The money is so ridiculous... Hope we can land Ian and re-sign Boban. That'd be a good plate for Bigs.

[raybies]

I love Boban.

But I think I'd rather have Ian & Milutinov than Pau & Boban. I think ... maybe.

I second that

[DPG21920]

Terrance Jones is still out there, and will probably get $15 mil a year. There's also teams like Dallas that exist and will probably throw big money at someone like Jones.

If it's not Pau, TJ is my hope. Should definitely cost less than 15M with his concerns. I'd say Mirza level money (3/30) at best IMO.

He's young enough, fits enough and has upside while not killing next year's cap space.

[BillMc]

I love Boban.

But I think I'd rather have Ian & Milutinov than Pau & Boban. I think ... maybe.
I'd be good with that.

[DPG21920]

I love Boban.

But I think I'd rather have Ian & Milutinov than Pau & Boban. I think ... maybe.

:lol I don't know. But it's basically the same team with the same holes as last year (which, I'm not complaining I've been on the SA is not too far bandwagon all off season) but replace Tim with Pau or Ian.

Not sure if that improves SA enough, but both players *should* be better than current Tim on the court.

Then you replace Butler/Bonner/Martin/West with LJC, Bertans (hopefully), maybe Boban is back, Murray. And hopefully have Manu back along with Mills who's still there.

[palangi]

Who's Willie Reed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Uj8ITm8YMk

[loveforthegame]

Willie Reed wouldn't be a bad get.

The names aren't going to be pretty for the Spurs this summer. But hopefully they get some much needed fresh blood in here.

[TheGreatYacht]

Anyone but shitty ass Mahinmi and soft Horford

[AFBlue]

4yr $52M for Solomon Hill. The hits just keep on coming.

[timtonymanu]

Willie Reed wouldn't be a bad get.

The names aren't going to be pretty for the Spurs this summer. But hopefully they get some much needed fresh blood in here.

This. Gonna be an uneventful offseason "names" wise. No way we can get Pau or any notable players to come here for cheap.

[Hoops Czar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Uj8ITm8YMk

Simmons 1.5

[DPG21920]

Yup only way Spurs get a big name is if KD or Pau said yes. Then they would make the moves to make that happen (with Pau, maybe their 10M would get it done, but not sure).

But as long as they get some younger-ish guys who have some bounce and upside (hopefully) that will help. SL is in good shape with LMA/DG/KL, it was the bench that needed help and versatility.

But man, SA badly needs another 6th man level guard.

[NASpurs]

This. Gonna be an uneventful offseason "names" wise. No way we can get Pau or any notable players to come here for cheap.

Kind of sad when the rookie you drafted is probably going to be the biggest name your team added in the offseason but it's how things are looking right now.

[palangi]

Simmons 1.5
He might not be bad as an athletic big. He blocks shots and rebounds well already. He is only 26 and will be cheaper than what we are seeing right now.

[raybies]

Ian. Might cost Boban right? Cap vexes me

Yeah the cap has me all over the place right now. But from what I gather it depends how much he gets offered, how much we get Pau or Ian for. And we still have to sign bertans with cap so there's that.

[Nathan89]

The league really needs to increase the max so every schmo in the league isn't making 15 MIL.

[DPG21920]

So those who want to know about Pau to Blazers:

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Assuming they keep Crabbe since cap hold is low, renouncing Leonard & Harkless gets them to about 15M to offer Gasol it looks like (more than the Spurs have).

[BillMc]

Yeah the cap has me all over the place right now. But from what I gather it depends how much he gets offered, how much we get Pau or Ian for. And we still have to sign bertans with cap so there's that.

Isn't Bobans salary capped? He can't make over a certain amount which is relatively low, I think. (Some cap savvy person help us out, please)

[Hoops Czar]

He might not be bad as an athletic big. He blocks shots and rebounds well already. He is only 26 and will be cheaper than what we are seeing right now.

Probably just LJC insurance but, the Spurs have so much raw talent already, they should work on developing the ones they have in house first. They need some impact/dependable role players that can be used in medium/high leverage situations.

[BillMc]

So those who want to know about Pau to Blazers:

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Assuming they keep Crabbe since cap hold is low, renouncing Leonard & Harkless gets them to about 15M to offer Gasol it looks like (more than the Spurs have). Thanks for the update. :toast

[SAGirl]

Don't know if this was posted before, Evan Turner to Portland.
Definitely they were looking for playmaking.
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[palangi]

Kind of sad when the rookie you drafted is probably going to be the biggest name your team added in the offseason but it's how things are looking right now.
Whats sad? He is a good young talent that should bring a lot of excitement to the program. I don't get what is sad about a draft pick coming in as an exciting piece?

[BillMc]

Weird that the blowhards in Golden State haven't leaked anything about how KD was blown away by their presentation.

[palangi]

So those who want to know about Pau to Blazers:

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Assuming they keep Crabbe since cap hold is low, renouncing Leonard & Harkless gets them to about 15M to offer Gasol it looks like (more than the Spurs have).
If they need to get rid of Leonard and Harkless we should jump in and offer some of our draft stash trash like Hanga.

[Chinook]

Isn't Bobans salary capped? He can't make over a certain amount which is relatively low, I think. (Some cap savvy person help us out, please)

He can't make more than the greater of the Spurs' cap space x 4.27 (if the Spurs re-up him) or $58 Million (if he signs an offer sheet with another team). Both of those over four years, obviously.

[NASpurs]

Whats sad? He is a good young talent that should bring a lot of excitement to the program. I don't get what is sad about a draft pick coming in as an exciting piece?

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I'm talking about big names here, in comparison to big nba names that are already established. I never said drafting him was sad....


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[Chinook]

Simmons 1.5

If Simmons and Ayres had a baby, maybe. No more 26-year-old prospects. If you want vets, get vets. If you want young guys, get young guys. Don't try to do both in the same player.

[BillMc]

He can't make more than the greater of the Spurs' cap space x 4.27 or $58 Million. Both of those over four year, obviously.

Cheers! Thanks. :toast With those parameters, what would you consider a reasonable offer for Boban?

[raybies]

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Had to share lol

[BillMc]

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Had to share lol
:lmao

[Dex]

Kind of sad when the rookie you drafted is probably going to be the biggest name your team added in the offseason but it's how things are looking right now.

Free agency hasn't even been open for 24 hours.

At least the Spurs haven't been one of those teams throwing outrageous money at second and third tier players.

[Chinook]

Cheers! Thanks. :toast With those parameters, what would you consider a reasonable offer for Boban?

Really depends on the market. With the way centers have been going, I'd try to S&T Boban if Bourousis can be had for less than the MLE. The Spurs actually have leverage, since matching a deal for Boban still gives a cheaper APY than any other contract I've seen a center sign so far. But if they can't get a legit replacement and don't find a starter for their cap space, I'd go under the cap and give him anything under $30M/4.

[Hoops Czar]

If Simmons and Ayres had a baby, maybe. No more 26-year-old prospects. If you want vets, get vets. If you want young guys, get young guys. Don't try to do both in the same player.

Agreed!

[Chinook]

Free agency hasn't even been open for 24 hours.

At least the Spurs haven't been one of those teams throwing outrageous money at second and third tier players.

I'll be just as disappointed if this guy gets more than $2 Million. Looks like a scrub, and there are better bigs in Europe who want to come over.

[sasaint]

If they need to get rid of Leonard and Harkless we should jump in and offer some of our draft stash trash like Hanga.

I am all over that! I loved Leonard before his injury. I wanted us to make a run for him this off-season even if he was a RFA. Harmless would be gravy. I would love to facilitate Pau's going to Portland by taking two good, young prospects off their hands.

[NASpurs]

Free agency hasn't even been open for 24 hours.

At least the Spurs haven't been one of those teams throwing outrageous money at second and third tier players.

Well seeing as how much cap space the Spurs have and the amount of some of these contracts being handed out to a player like Solomon Hill, it's not looking at that great unless players like Bobo and Mills are traded. But that's besides the point, this free agent group is horrible. Next year seems better.

[palangi]

???????


I'm talking about big names here, in comparison to big nba names that are already established. I never said drafting him was sad....


???????????
I know what you are saying. And I stand by what I said. There is nothing wrong with Murray being the big get. Did the big get of LMA win us a championship last year? Did it even get us to the conference final?

How about the big name West?

[Mamuza94]

Guys, is deal with Ryan Arcidiacono done thing or what?

[Chinook]

Guys, is deal with Ryan Arcidiacono done thing or what?

Probably as done as any deal. Nothing can be signed until after the moratorium is over.

[Mamuza94]

Probably as done as any deal. Nothing can be signed until after the moratorium is over.

Yes, that's what I thought. Ty.

[Brian Windhorst]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the Evan Turner deal. He wasn't even unarguably better than Allen Crabbe last year.

[K...]

Yes, that's what I thought. Ty.

The bigger q is not whether he gets a contract, but whether it's honoured past training camp. Hello austin Toro spurs

[BillMc]

Really depends on the market. With the way centers have been going, I'd try to S&T Boban if Bourousis can be had for less than the MLE. The Spurs actually have leverage, since matching a deal for Boban still gives a cheaper APY than any other contract I've seen a center sign so far. But if they can't get a legit replacement and don't find a starter for their cap space, I'd go under the cap and give him anything under $30M/4.

Thanks. As you mentioned in the other thread, I'd be really worried about Dallas driving up the price or poaching him outright. How serious are the rumors about Bourousis or even Lorbek? Or bringing Milutinov over? Lorbek at least will get a workout, I think.

[jermaine]

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Had to share lol

There talking about this subject right now on The Starters

[DPG21920]

If SA can get a guard in a S&T for Boban, that would rule.

[BillMc]

There talking about this subject right now on The Starters

I wouldn't blame Dirk if he bolted.

[BillMc]

If SA can get a guard in a S&T for Boban, that would rule.

Doesn't Phoenix have an excess of guards? Do they need a big?

[SAGirl]

The Spurs are lifting up the barrel and scrapping down several inches into the ground with that one.
Willie Reed and Humphries....
Saves us Milutinov, save us!

[NASpurs]

I know what you are saying. And I stand by what I said. There is nothing wrong with Murray being the big get. Did the big get of LMA win us a championship last year? Did it even get us to the conference final?

How about the big name West?

Considering that I've been wanting more talent and depth surrounding Kawhi and LMA instead of a player like Durant, what's your point?

And when I threw the phrase "big name", I was talking about players more established than a rookie. Since you're throwing examples around, how many 19 year old rookies have helped Spurs win a championship in their first year?

[DPG21920]

Side note, the fact that nothing has leaked from GS meeting make me more nervous than reports coming out. That is odd...

[gambit1990]

cannot believe how much evan turner will be getting paid.

[BillMc]

Summer League Roster
http://d2s3dt9f4iyeup.cloudfront.net/images/standard_v1/9d899d9f-ee3b-4270-93aa-0a89bb07851a.png

[BillMc]

Side note, the fact that nothing has leaked from GS meeting make me more nervous than reports coming out. That is odd...

Been wondering about that myself.

Maybe Green kicked Durant in the groin....

[ceperez]

Summer League Roster
http://d2s3dt9f4iyeup.cloudfront.net/images/standard_v1/9d899d9f-ee3b-4270-93aa-0a89bb07851a.png

Where is Bertans and LJC?????!

[palangi]

Where is Bertans and LJC?????!
Or Ndoye? Milutinov?

But we got 32 year old Lorbek and his bad knee!

[NASpurs]

You know you want him :lol

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[ceperez]

WTF?

You mean Bertans and LJC aren't going in the roster this year??

[DPG21920]

What's crazy is that a team like ORL that has traded for Ibaka, agreed to a big deal with Fournier, traded for Meeks and signed another FA still has 30M in cap space :lol?

[raybies]

Summer League Roster
http://d2s3dt9f4iyeup.cloudfront.net/images/standard_v1/9d899d9f-ee3b-4270-93aa-0a89bb07851a.png
MURRRRRAAYYYY!!!

[T Park]

That's the Utah list. Vegas is always different.

[raybies]

Still missing out on Milutinov, Bertans, LJC. I wonder why. That's interesting and seeing Kyle back. Didn't think he had anything left to prove. Maybe they need him to guide Murray.

[Sancha]

Will Cummings. I like the sound of that

[NASpurs]

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[Dex]

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Yeah, he ain't leaving that money on the table...especially to come to the Spurs for a discount and fight for minutes with Parker.

[DesignatedT]

Yeah, he ain't leaving that money on the table...especially to come to the Spurs for a discount and fight for minutes with Parker.

The Spurs never even courted him.

[DPG21920]

Glad that is not SA paying him max type money.

Random queston: Does anyone else have concerns about LMA staying with the Spurs? I mean, he's not young, Spurs got bounced in the 2nd round.

If SA doesn't improve this offseason and "wastes" a year not contending at LMA's age, that means LMA only has one more year after this upcoming year before his player option. Anyone concerned with that?

[apalisoc_9]

Glad that is not SA paying him max type money.

Random queston: Does anyone else have concerns about LMA staying with the Spurs? I mean, he's not young, Spurs got bounced in the 2nd round.

If SA doesn't improve this offseason and "wastes" a year not contending at LMA's age, that means LMA only has one more year after this upcoming year before his player option. Anyone concerned with that?

Nah. I'd much rather kawhi play alongside a legit top 15 player in the league during his peak 27-30 years..He's way too moody.

[timtonymanu]

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Leonard's contract is a fucking steal. Damn.

[Dex]

Glad that is not SA paying him max type money.

Random queston: Does anyone else have concerns about LMA staying with the Spurs? I mean, he's not young, Spurs got bounced in the 2nd round.

If SA doesn't improve this offseason and "wastes" a year not contending at LMA's age, that means LMA only has one more year after this upcoming year before his player option. Anyone concerned with that?

After a 2nd round exit, it's easy to forget that the Spurs won 67 games, but hopefully that isn't lost on LaMarcus. He was also playing with an injury that was apparently worse than he let on (considering he recently said it is still bothering him).

Spurs don't need to throw out the playbook. They just need to either get better production or replace the guys that shit the bed against OKC (namely Mills, Ginobili, Diaw, West, and sadly...Duncan), and they will be right there contending again.

[BillMc]

Glad that is not SA paying him max type money.

Random queston: Does anyone else have concerns about LMA staying with the Spurs? I mean, he's not young, Spurs got bounced in the 2nd round.

If SA doesn't improve this offseason and "wastes" a year not contending at LMA's age, that means LMA only has one more year after this upcoming year before his player option. Anyone concerned with that?

I am. (Though location seems to be as big a factor for him as winning and Dallas and Houston don't seem like better Texas options). I'm more worried that without Duncan's positive influence that the occasionally diva-ish, malcontent side of LMA may show. Winning cures a lot of ills, but we're unlikely to win 67 next year. So, I could see some difficulties ahead...

Pop is smart to include him in the group to get Durant which emphasizes he's not only a player but part of the new inner circle.

He's also likely to opt out of that deal early to get paid again under the new cap.

[TheGoldStandard]

Glad that is not SA paying him max type money.

Random queston: Does anyone else have concerns about LMA staying with the Spurs? I mean, he's not young, Spurs got bounced in the 2nd round.

If SA doesn't improve this offseason and "wastes" a year not contending at LMA's age, that means LMA only has one more year after this upcoming year before his player option. Anyone concerned with that?

Absolutely.. He left Portland for title runs not 2nd round exits. He's not 100% loyal having already left Portland..

[GSH]

Glad that is not SA paying him max type money.

Random queston: Does anyone else have concerns about LMA staying with the Spurs? I mean, he's not young, Spurs got bounced in the 2nd round.

If SA doesn't improve this offseason and "wastes" a year not contending at LMA's age, that means LMA only has one more year after this upcoming year before his player option. Anyone concerned with that?


Not only yeah, but hell yeah. And they aren't going to be putting any big pieces around him this offseason. You guys are starting to see the pinch I was talking about, and why I thought taking a year to re-build. Free up a shitload of cap space, to bring in a top-tier FA, and manufacture a 40-win season to score a lottery pick.

Making the playoffs isn't enough. Aldridge didn't come here for second round (or first round) bounces. I was talking about a quick, controlled re-build. The Spurs need to pull a rabbit out of the hat, or they are going to be forced into a real, and much more ugly re-build. Right now I'm down to hoping for them finding a few over-achievers from the D-League or Europe.

But, yeah, they damned well better put some pieces in to be serious contenders, or they'll never get any big name players to come. The worst thing they could do is be a 50-win team for the next couple of seasons. Either find a way to be better than that, or commit a year to re-build and get the pain over with.

[Nathan89]

Save our money for cp3 next year TBH.

[DPG21920]

Not only yeah, but hell yeah. And they aren't going to be putting any big pieces around him this offseason. You guys are starting to see the pinch I was talking about, and why I thought taking a year to re-build. Free up a shitload of cap space, to bring in a top-tier FA, and manufacture a 40-win season to score a lottery pick.

Making the playoffs isn't enough. Aldridge didn't come here for second round (or first round) bounces. I was talking about a quick, controlled re-build. The Spurs need to pull a rabbit out of the hat, or they are going to be forced into a real, and much more ugly re-build. Right now I'm down to hoping for them finding a few over-achievers from the D-League or Europe.

But, yeah, they damned well better put some pieces in to be serious contenders, or they'll never get any big name players to come. The worst thing they could do is be a 50-win team for the next couple of seasons. Either find a way to be better than that, or commit a year to re-build and get the pain over with.

If SA doesn't get a few surprises this year from who they bring in and SA underwhelms in the playoffs again, it puts a ton of pressure on the next off season to impress. LMA/Kawhi/DG is a win-now core (even though Kawhi is young) so they have limited time.

[Tully365]

I was holding out hope for a trade scenario involving a team spending money on free agents, & needing to shed contracts-- someone like Memphis & Brandan Wright, Miami & Josh McRoberts, Boston & Jonas Jerebko... but these seem pretty remote now, considering what bargains their contracts are with the new Cap...

[DPG21920]

Another question: If Mavs whiff and really do have no luck in FA (especially if Dirk leaves), does Wes Matthews get traded?

Also, I really hope SA is looking at Tyreke Evans if he's available in trade.

[JuneJive]

...

What are you talking about?

1 year rebuild isn't a thing in real world.

OKC was at their peak against us. They found our weakness and exploited it. And yet, it easily could've gone the other way.

[Kikoluna]

F-ing kidding me, not one move by the spurs. :/

[DPG21920]

F-ing kidding me, not one move by the spurs. :/

It's day one & they have not met with KD yet.

[r0drig0lac]

Weird that the blowhards in Golden State haven't leaked anything about how KD was blown away by their presentation.

?

[spurtech09]

Well Spurs made moves last yr......Don't see the spurs really doing anything this yr....A tweak here and a tweak there....

[Ron Swanson]

F-ing kidding me, not one move by the spurs. :/

I don't want us making moves like the ones that have been made so far.

[Hoops Czar]

It's day one & they have not met with KD yet.

Apparently, Kawhi Leonard has a personal matter and won't be attending the meeting. What could be more important than meeting with a generational talent like KD and trying to convince him to join the team? Unless, of course, that generational talent plays your position.

[NASpurs]

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[DPG21920]

Apparently, Kawhi Leonard has a personal matter and won't be attending the meeting. What could be more important than meeting with a generational talent like KD and trying to convince him to join the team? Unless, of course, that generational talent plays your position.

The birth of his child? Not sure if that is the case or not.

[DPG21920]

749007689741639681

See, I don't like Green, but this is smart. Big 1 year deal, no risk after that. You have money to spend and this gives them a one year Look at their Tobias Harris replacement with no risk since they had to spend the money anyways. ORL still has 15M left too.

ORL got rid of Dipo, Ersan & Sabonis. Brought in Ibaka, Green, Meeks, etc..

[AFBlue]

749007689741639681

Bargain, given the state of things.

[ducks]

The birth of his child? Not sure if that is the case or not.

Fucking another teammates wife

[NASpurs]

749008621799772160

[NASpurs]

The birth of his child? Not sure if that is the case or not.

Yeah they said she was going to be born soon after his birthday.

[DPG21920]

Wow!

[NASpurs]

Fucking another teammates wife

You're confusing him with Parker.

[AFBlue]

749008621799772160

Interesting. Wonder what that means for Horford.

[BillMc]

Apparently, Kawhi Leonard has a personal matter and won't be attending the meeting. What could be more important than meeting with a generational talent like KD and trying to convince him to join the team? Unless, of course, that generational talent plays your position.

"system players" need not attend.

[NASpurs]

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[AFBlue]

749009126345302016

Per year?

[Robz4000]

:lol Jesus Christ Bud, what are you doing?

[Seventyniner]

:lol Jesus Christ Bud, what are you doing?

I guess he's resigned to Horford leaving.

[afireinside20]

Well Spurs made moves last yr......Don't see the spurs really doing anything this yr....A tweak here and a tweak there....


Other than last summer, it seems like we gotta hear that shit every summer

[Hoops Czar]

The birth of his child? Not sure if that is the case or not.

:lol Yeah, I thought of that but, there's no reason to hide it unless you're not the father. I just find it very puzzling that your best player would rather attend to a personal matter rather than help convince one of the five best players in the game to join your team. My definition of a personal matter is one in which the player doesn't want to disclose publicly. A birth of his child doesn't fit that description..

[SAGirl]

Thanks. As you mentioned in the other thread, I'd be really worried about Dallas driving up the price or poaching him outright. How serious are the rumors about Bourousis or even Lorbek? Or bringing Milutinov over? Lorbek at least will get a workout, I think.
Lorbek is in that SL/Utah list and Cady, for what it's worth. At least Cady is entitled to the QO.

[AFBlue]

Broussard just reported Howard to ATL. :wow

[r0drig0lac]

Interesting. Wonder what that means for Horford.

Celtics

[Tully365]

If Atlanta signed Howard, I assume that means Horford is gone... If Horford goes to Boston, the Celts probably release Jerebko-- a good option for the Spurs...

[Hoops Czar]

Broussard just reported Howard to ATL. :wow

Horford in a s&t to OKC? :wow

[BillMc]

Broussard just reported Howard to ATL. :wow

Worst thing to happen to Atlanta since Sherman.

[Crazymaddopeyo]

Just heard Wade and the Spurs nearing a deal? 3 years 60 mil

[AFBlue]

Just heard Wade and the Spurs nearing a deal? 3 years 60 mil

Broussard, sauces?

[elemento]

I hate Howard, but 3y/70m Howard is not that bad, especially when the other option was Horford for 150m.

I think Bud did extremely well here.

[SPURt]

Just heard Wade and the Spurs nearing a deal? 3 years 60 mil
Please be joking

[DPG21920]

Per year?

:lol

[LakerHater]

749011956959371265

[Leetonidas]

Just heard Wade and the Spurs nearing a deal? 3 years 60 mil
where did you hear this? two old dudes outside a taqueria?

[LakerHater]

is this believable??

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[DPG21920]

Horford and Dwight are obviously different players, BUT, IF (and my God this is such a big if) Dwight has a buy-in attitude and really plays defense/rebounds, they can be just as good overall (maybe offense steps back some) and not be on the hook for such a long deal.

But man, I would probably rather pay Horford. Although if ATL doesn't feel like they can add pieces to what they have done, then they had to gamble on something different I guess.

[LakerHater]

is this believable??

749012816984768512Guess it is!


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[Hoops Czar]

is this believable??

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If BR has only 46 followers.

[Robz4000]

is this believable??

749012816984768512

Welp, said that was the only team I could see him leaving to.

[Crazymaddopeyo]

where did you hear this? two old dudes outside a taqueria?


Think it was a fake bleacher report tweet like the Wade and cavs one. =/

[NASpurs]

Guess it is!


749009004421062656

TheFatDuck123? :lol That's not Woj's twitter

[Leetonidas]

Guess it is!


749009004421062656

:lol

[NASpurs]

Welp, said that was the only team I could see him leaving to.

It's fake.

[Hoops Czar]

Cleveland has no money. They can't afford Wade unless it involves a S&T with Love.

[Robz4000]

:lol Oh God, they got me

[Kikoluna]

Damn.....lebron, wade, irving. WOW

[ninjaskrzypek]

Just heard Wade and the Spurs nearing a deal? 3 years 60 mil


Fake

[Dex]

Guess it is!


749009004421062656

SuperFriends Lite reunite!

Good deal for Cleveland. Bad look for Miami giving all their money to Whiteside while cheapskating their franchise player.

Gonna be weird seeing Wade in another uniform, but not surprised considering he will be back with Lebron.

[timtonymanu]

SuperFriends Lite reunite!

Good deal for Cleveland. Bad look for Miami giving all their money to Whiteside while cheapskating their franchise player.

Gonna be weird seeing Wade in another uniform, but not surprised considering he will be back with Lebron.

Bro, it's fake. :lol

[BillMc]

:lol Oh God, they got me

It would have been fun to see Pat Riley's reaction.

"Get a grip" indeed. :lol

[Leetonidas]

The Wade signing is fake guys, he hasn't gone anywhere :lol

[Dex]

Bro, it's fake. :lol

:lol why you gotta quote me so quick!!!!

Couldn't even get the delete in before the repost...SMH

[DPG21920]

That was not even a good fake account - damn man :lol

[marinoman]

:lol Oh God, they got me
cant lie, me too

[elemento]

Who the hell are you guys following seriously ? Falling to some shit ass fakes :lol

[NASpurs]

LakerHater should have his twitter privileges taken away :lol

[look_at_g_shred]

:lmao

[raybies]

Multiple sauces

[BillMc]

Who the hell are you guys following seriously ? Falling to some shit ass fakes :lol

That's right. Someone even reported that the Lakers signed Timofey Mozgov for 64 million. Man these hackers and their ridiculous stories....:lol

[tmtcsc]

Per year?

Lol, nice.

[elemento]

That's right. Someone even reported that the Lakers signed Timofey Mozgov for 64 million. Man these hackers and their ridiculous stories....:lol

:lol

[raybies]

Calling it now. Durant stays, Horford to okc in a sign and trade, Hawks get back enes kanter and pieces to make it work. Okc gets another Star and Atlanta gets depth.

[Dex]

That's right. Someone even reported that the Lakers signed Timofey Mozgov for 64 million. Man these hackers and their ridiculous stories....:lol

:lmao :lmao

[NASpurs]

That's right. Someone even reported that the Lakers signed Timofey Mozgov for 64 million. Man these hackers and their ridiculous stories....:lol

:lol that's where we're at. Everything seems too outrageous so it's all believable.

[timtonymanu]

That's right. Someone even reported that the Lakers signed Timofey Mozgov for 64 million. Man these hackers and their ridiculous stories....:lol

:lol

[tmtcsc]

That's right. Someone even reported that the Lakers signed Timofey Mozgov for 64 million. Man these hackers and their ridiculous stories....:lol

:lol:toast

[raybies]

On my phone...

[LakerHater]

LakerHater (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=4302) should have his twitter privileges taken away :lol

Man, it got me too!

[BillMc]

:lol

:lol:toast

[raybies]

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Good one!

[r0drig0lac]

That's right. Someone even reported that the Lakers signed Timofey Mozgov for 64 million. Man these hackers and their ridiculous stories....:lol

hahaha

[Leetonidas]

Calling it now. Durant stays, Horford to okc in a sign and trade, Hawks get back enes kanter and pieces to make it work. Okc gets another Star and Atlanta gets depth.

Not bad at all but honestly that is an atrocious shooting lineup for OKC imo...aside from Durant who isn't even necessarily an elite 3 point shooter, no one in the starting lineup has a good stroke from distance.

[Tully365]

That's right. Someone even reported that the Lakers signed Timofey Mozgov for 64 million. Man these hackers and their ridiculous stories....:lol

:lol

[AFBlue]

Calling it now. Durant stays, Horford to okc in a sign and trade, Hawks get back enes kanter and pieces to make it work. Okc gets another Star and Atlanta gets depth.

Not sure Horford is an upgrade over Kanter tbqh.