***OFFICIAL KAWHI RELATED NEWS Thread***

[apalisoc_9]

"He doesn't play defense anymore." - Spurstalk 2018-19

He takes a lot of breaks now man. He is still the best defender in the world if hes engaged but he picks his spots now

[SpurPadre]

Don't be that stupid. You already knew that Kawhi didn't guard Giannis that game. It was on ESPN so I guess you watched it.

It was Siakam most game and OG in a few possessions. Giannis/Kawhi barely shared the same side in plays the whole game.

You don't be that stupid. Whatever happened to him always guarding the other team's #1 option? If his defense is still on and consistent, there was no excuse not to put him on Giannis unless the thought was that they didn't believe he could guard him.

[rasuo214]

You don't be that stupid. Whatever happened to him always guarding the other team's #1 option? If his defense is still on and consistent, there was no excuse not to put him on Giannis unless the thought was that they didn't believe he could guard him.

Kawhi didn't always guard the other team's #1 option, not even when he was on the Spurs. Maybe in the playoffs or a few key possessions.

[Texas_Ranger]

Well, he has the same stat line 30 pts 6 asts 5 steals vs the 2nd best team in the league on Saturday but I guess you didn't watch that game.

I did watch. The leagues mvp looked great. Also he doest need rest on back to backs like the mute bitch.

[cpds421]

He deserves better. He deserves what other superstars have gotten...What Lebron had in Miamii/Cleveland or KD got with Warriors...A team with multiple starts in their prime.

Dude, why are you a fan of him
and your team is still
the spurs? i don’t really get this ‘Player fan’ thing.

[RD2191]

Dude, why are you a fan of him
and your team is still
the spurs? i don’t really get this ‘Player fan’ thing.

Really? You've never heard of lebron fans? Shaq fans? Wade fans? Moss fans? Player fans are everywhere in sports. What don't you get?

[lefty]

I did watch. The leagues mvp looked great. Also he doest need rest on back to backs like the mute bitch.

Well to be fair, Harden doesn’t play defense

[Leetonidas]

"he deserves a stacked team like lebron and KD"

:lmao gtfo with this bullshit. No one "deserves" shit

[Spurs da champs]

Really? You've never heard of lebron fans? Shaq fans? Wade fans? Moss fans? Player fans are everywhere in sports. What don't you get?

There's a ton of Spur fans here who worship Dirk as well. Even after the dirty play of him breaking Manure's nose. :lmao

[DAF86]

I wasn't talking about Danny/Pascal..The other 4-5 players that I mentioned are the big issue.



He deserves better. He deserves what other superstars have gotten...What Lebron had in Miamii/Cleveland or KD got with Warriors...A team with multiple starts in their prime.

He will have to settle for having won a finals MVP as a role player thanks to playing alongside 4 hall of famers, tbh.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Got some more help, Raptors just signed Patrick McCaw

[TDMVPDPOY]

the ghost of derek anderson mrloyalty

[YGWHI]

If his defense is still on and consistent, there was no excuse not to put him on Giannis unless the thought was that they didn't believe he could guard him.

Giannis plays PF all game. Raptors have Siakam at that position. Why would a coach put a wing to defend a bigman when you have a very useful PF on your own team???

D'Antoni put smaller guys on Giannis but doubled him the whole game. When a coach have a young, mobile, good defender like Siakam he trusts on him.

You just look at stats and say "Giannis scored 40 pts". What you don't see...Siakam made him life harder on the other end too since he had a career high of 30 pts in that game.

Giannis-Siakam was a good matchup on both ends. Nurse isn't exactly a great coach nor a brilliant defensive mind but he wasn't wrong about this strategy.

[YGWHI]

Dude, why are you a fan of him
and your team is still
the spurs? i don’t really get this ‘Player fan’ thing.

My team is still the Spurs. It always has been the Spurs. And Kawhi is still my favorite player. There is nothing wrong with being a fan of a player.

If Tim would have signed with Orlando people suddenly would stop to love him? I would be a Tim Duncan's fan even if he would have won 3 rings with the Magic and just 1 with the Spurs.

Because he was the best PF that people have seen on a court. And I enjoy watching great players to play.

I like so much Kawhi's game. He's different, his style is the most Jordan-esque in this league. Who wouldn't love to watch it?

[YGWHI]

He will have to settle for having won a finals MVP as a role player thanks to playing alongside 4 hall of famers, tbh.
Kawhi wasn't a role player in those Finals.

He was the main option in 3 of 5 games and finished as the 1-B scorer. TP 18 ppg. Kawhi 17.8 ppg

People forget that he was the reason why the Spurs stayed relevant after 2011 elimination. I remember RC saying in 2014 that he "changed the course of our organization. He gave us a second wind"

[DAF86]

Kawhi wasn't a role player in those Finals.

He was the main option in 3 of 5 games and finished as the 1-B scorer. TP 18 ppg. Kawhi 17.8 ppg

People forget that he was the reason why the Spurs stayed relevant after 2011 elimination. I remember RC saying in 2014 that he "changed the course of our organization. He gave us a second wind"

Having the most shots or pts doesn't mean you are a main option. A main option is someone you built your offense around. Pop is on record saying he didn't run any plays for Kawhi in 2014.

[Dverde]

Kawhi wasn't a role player in those Finals.

He was the main option in 3 of 5 games and finished as the 1-B scorer. TP 18 ppg. Kawhi 17.8 ppg

People forget that he was the reason why the Spurs stayed relevant after 2011 elimination. I remember RC saying in 2014 that he "changed the course of our organization. He gave us a second wind"


​The second wind ended up being a fart.

[SpurPadre]

Giannis plays PF all game. Raptors have Siakam at that position. Why would a coach put a wing to defend a bigman when you have a very useful PF on your own team???

D'Antoni put smaller guys on Giannis but doubled him the whole game. When a coach have a young, mobile, good defender like Siakam he trusts on him.

You just look at stats and say "Giannis scored 40 pts". What you don't see...Siakam made him life harder on the other end too since he had a career high of 30 pts in that game.

Giannis-Siakam was a good matchup on both ends. Nurse isn't exactly a great coach nor a brilliant defensive mind but he wasn't wrong about this strategy.

Bruce Bowen on Nowitzki says hi, tbh.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

If Tim would have signed with Orlando people suddenly would stop to love him?

duh

[YGWHI]

Bruce Bowen on Nowitzki says hi, tbh.
Apples and oranges.

Dirk had a pure, perfect shot. He didnt rely that much in his size to shoot.

Giannis torches guys by using his length...Unless they double/triple him, coaches don't put smallers players on him

[YGWHI]

Having the most shots or pts doesn't mean you are a main option. A main option is someone you built your offense around. Pop is on record saying he didn't run any plays for Kawhi in 2014.
A role player didn't charge the curse of a franchise like RC said in 2014.

[Spurs Homer]

hadn't checked this quitter thread in a bit -

has the piece of shit quit on toronto yet?

[Brazil]

He didnt rely that much in his size to shoot.



what ?

:lmao

[MoSpur02]

When is this stupid thread going to be moved to the NBA Forum? It's annoying to see these player fans defending this guy as if they were on his payroll

[duncan2k5]

That's a supporting cast that won 60 games last season minus Kawhi and minus Green (the most impactful role player this season. So the supporting cast got even better... Oh, and Siakam went from raw rookie to borderline all-star too).

Heck, this Raptors team minus Kawhi is still probably a 50 wins team. Same as the Spurs last season. :cry but he deserves better :cry

they also had derozan...its not like those players alone won...

[TDomination]

When is this stupid thread going to be moved to the NBA Forum? It's annoying to see these player fans defending this guy as if they were on his payroll

agreed

[SpurSpike]

When is this stupid thread going to be moved to the NBA Forum? It's annoying to see these player fans defending this guy as if they were on his payroll

+1

It should die now that the home raptors game has passed.

[RC_Drunkford]

The toughest schedule belongs to YGWHI and duncan2k5.

They have no days off the rest of the way. It’s all back-to-back nights defending Kawhi the rest of the season.

still valid I see:lol

[Hoops Czar]

Left game vs Wizards.... left leg tightness. He's back on the bench though.

[Mikeanaro]

Left game vs Wizards.... left leg tightness. He's back on the bench though.
Dat nigga is always herdtz.

[emmo]

If Tim would have signed with Orlando people suddenly would stop to love him?

Hell yeah if he had bitched out like Kawhi, faked injury, quit on his team mates and intentionally limited the Spurs future. But here’s the thing, Tim would have never done anything of the sort even if he would have left.

Why? Because he’s not a bitch, like nephew.

[emanueldavidginobili]

41-11-5-3-2

[loveforthegame]

What a game by Leonard and Beal. Fans got their money’s worth.

[SpurPadre]

Fuck this faggot had to steal the spotlight from Thursday's game, even faking another injury to add more dramatic effect. He never ceases being a piece of shit.

[apalisoc_9]

Fuck this faggot had to steal the spotlight from Thursday's game, even faking another injury to add more dramatic effect. He never ceases being a piece of shit.

TIMVP already said PATFO is more to blame than Leonard.

Its crazy how bitter spursfans are even after their buttboy confirmed the spurs arent exactly innocent.

[TD 21]

:lmao At anyone still missing the forest from the trees. It's not about who's to blame or more to blame, it's about his deplorable behavior, of which there's no justification for.

[daslicer]

:lmao At anyone still missing the forest from the trees. It's not about who's to blame or more to blame, it's about his deplorable behavior, of which there's no justification for.

This

[Hoops Czar]

:lmao At anyone still missing the forest from the trees. It's not about who's to blame or more to blame, it's about his deplorable behavior, of which there's no justification for.
It really has NOTHING to do with his deplorable behavior. That's just this forums coping mechanism to get through the stages of grief without causing deep depression. Had the PATFO patched things up with Kawhi and had he signed a long term contract with the Spurs, you, like every other Spurs fan would be back to kissing his ass regardless of his deplorable behavior during the late stages of last season. It was and always has been about his decision to leave.

[TD 21]

It really has NOTHING to do with his deplorable behavior. That's just this forums coping mechanism to get through the stages of grief without causing deep depression. Had the PATFO patched things up with Kawhi and had he signed a long term contract with the Spurs, you, like every other Spurs fan would be back to kissing his ass regardless of his deplorable behavior during the late stages of last season. It was and always has been about his decision to leave.

I never kissed his ass. On the contrary, I was often critical of him once he rose to stardom because of his pathetic lack of play making for others.

Naturally, I wanted them to patch things up and him to sign long term because it would have been best for the Spurs, but for me it was about his deplorable behavior throughout the process and what he represented more so than him specifically.

[Mnky]

It really has NOTHING to do with his deplorable behavior. That's just this forums coping mechanism to get through the stages of grief without causing deep depression. Had the PATFO patched things up with Kawhi and had he signed a long term contract with the Spurs, you, like every other Spurs fan would be back to kissing his ass regardless of his deplorable behavior during the late stages of last season. It was and always has been about his decision to leave.

Nothing wrong with being uspet with a franchise player leaving. People blow it out of proportion. The way he acted was pretty bad. People can judge him for that. He lied, bailed, and didn't speak up. It was cowardly, for someone who wants to act like their a leader. He was the exact opposite. He had already checked out, and that's okay, but he wasn't honest or upfront about it. He hid behind his family who I think everyone can agree has some issues.

He handled is as bad as anyone ever has. Legitimately can not think of another situation of a franchise player acting so cowardly and lacking all accountability.

The hate he gets is understandable and justified. His injury status had me worried about the super max tbh. I was In Between trading and signing. Then he took the Spurs options and trashed them by putting a strangle hold on their ability to move him. Once again, all around just a really bad leader.

[WallyTiger]

When is this stupid thread going to be moved to the NBA Forum? It's annoying to see these player fans defending this guy as if they were on his payroll
:wakeup

[gambit1990]

41-11-5-3-2
on 51.7% shooting.

[Mikeanaro]

It really has NOTHING to do with his deplorable behavior. That's just this forums coping mechanism to get through the stages of grief without causing deep depression. Had the PATFO patched things up with Kawhi and had he signed a long term contract with the Spurs, you, like every other Spurs fan would be back to kissing his ass regardless of his deplorable behavior during the late stages of last season. It was and always has been about his decision to leave.
No, isnt just the decision.
He is a mute tard, his uncle and sister had to do PR for him because he never spoke/showed his ugly face.

Its about missing a season with no real injury and lots of other shit.
Every player has the right to choose, so this is about the behavior and the consequences.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Regular season doesn't matter guys. He isn't winning MVP and he isn't making 1st team all NBA. It's about playoffs for him. That's what all his defenders say so bringing up any good regular season game against one of the worst teams in the east is meaningless. Finals or bust for Kawhi this year.

[Hoops Czar]

No, isnt just the decision.
He is a mute tard, his uncle and sister had to do PR for him because he never spoke/showed his ugly face.

Its about missing a season with no real injury and lots of other shit.
Every player has the right to choose, so this is about the behavior and the consequences.

Right, but would you be calling him a mute tard if he signed a max extension? Would you really give a shit about his behavior last year? Would you hold tons of resentment for the remainder of his Spurs career? Every night he scored 30 and 10, would you be yelling "Hey, you stat padding mute peice of shit, I wish the PATFO traded your ass for what you pulled last offseason? You're lying if you say you would.

Make no mistake he was injured. He made several comebacks during the season before being shutdown completely. What happened after that is anyone's guess.

[Mikeanaro]

Right, but would you be calling him a mute tard if he signed a max extension? Would you really give a shit about his behavior last year? Would you hold tons of resentment for the remainder of his Spurs career? Every night he scored 30 and 10, would you be yelling "Hey, you stat padding mute peice of shit, I wish the PATFO traded your ass for what you pulled last offseason? You're lying if you say you would.

Make no mistake he was injured. He made several comebacks during the season before being shutdown completely. What happened after that is anyone's guess.
What? so if someone acts like a tard you can say he is one, but if he fixes the shit Im a sellout because I wont be saying he is a retard?
Im guilty of his behavior?

No because we are talking about real injuries, not prefabricated ones, tell me one player aside KL who did something like him with the hide&seek from Spurs staff, his uncle playing Don King, his sister involving her ugly ass like she was defending a disabled child.
Then not playing a whole season except 9 shitty games, and every doctor in the world concurs he is ready to play.

Spurs almost never have padders, maybe Porker and thats it, system is about distribution so there are no divas, Spur fan is not about points to make you feel good about regular season.

Yeah, I bet his ass was too hurt too support his team mates.

Glad he is gone.

Players come and go, the team is what matters so fuck him.

[duncan2k5]

Nothing wrong with being uspet with a franchise player leaving. People blow it out of proportion. The way he acted was pretty bad. People can judge him for that. He lied, bailed, and didn't speak up. It was cowardly, for someone who wants to act like their a leader. He was the exact opposite. He had already checked out, and that's okay, but he wasn't honest or upfront about it. He hid behind his family who I think everyone can agree has some issues.

He handled is as bad as anyone ever has. Legitimately can not think of another situation of a franchise player acting so cowardly and lacking all accountability.

The hate he gets is understandable and justified. His injury status had me worried about the super max tbh. I was In Between trading and signing. Then he took the Spurs options and trashed them by putting a strangle hold on their ability to move him. Once again, all around just a really bad leader.

You are only judging one side... Clearly the Spurs also acted shitty towards them... Which then prompted Kawhi to return the favor

[duncan2k5]

What? so if someone acts like a tard you can say he is one, but if he fixes the shit Im a sellout because I wont be saying he is a retard?
Im guilty of his behavior?

No because we are talking about real injuries, not prefabricated ones, tell me one player aside KL who did something like him with the hide&seek from Spurs staff, his uncle playing Don King, his sister involving her ugly ass like she was defending a disabled child.
Then not playing a whole season except 9 shitty games, and every doctor in the world concurs he is ready to play.

Spurs almost never have padders, maybe Porker and thats it, system is about distribution so there are no divas, Spur fan is not about points to make you feel good about regular season.

Yeah, I bet his ass was too hurt too support his team mates.

Glad he is gone.

Players come and go, the team is what matters so fuck him.

Kawhi is definitely not a stat paddler... And who craves the ball and shots more than LMA??? your hate is making you delusional

[Mikeanaro]

Kawhi is definitely not a stat paddler... And who craves the ball and shots more than LMA??? your hate is making you delusional
Never said he was, neither Hoops Czar since he was talking hypothetically...

[Mnky]

You are only judging one side... Clearly the Spurs also acted shitty towards them... Which then prompted Kawhi to return the favor

Not at all. I have no doubt the Spurs front office royally screwed up by acting like they were in charge and he had to do it their way. Without a franchise player, you don't usually have much of a franchise. Period. They definitely did wrong on this one.

Has nothing to do with the way kawhi treated the fans. Which is what the argument is. Nothing to do with the front office.

[timvp]

Interesting that he's sitting out again tonight. Still hasn't played a back-to-back this season despite N:lolrse saying Nephew was ready to do so more than a month ago...

[spurraider21]

Interesting that he's sitting out again tonight. Still hasn't played a back-to-back this season despite N:lolrse saying Nephew was ready to do so more than a month ago...
it's pretty hilarious... because they think that giving him all this space is going to win him over, when instead all he's doing is strategically limiting any chance of injury (while already having proven that he's back to an mvp caliber player) so that he can cash out in LA this summer

[SpurPadre]

Still a fucking pussy not playing back to backs in late January lol.

[exstatic]

Interesting that he's sitting out again tonight. Still hasn't played a back-to-back this season despite N:lolrse saying Nephew was ready to do so more than a month ago...

It still hurts...

[emanueldavidginobili]

His stamina this season is the worst I’ve seen from. He was absolutely gassed at the end of last nights game and I’ve noticed it in other games. It gets so bad he takes plays off on defense which he never did before. I think he would benefit playing back to backs to push him through and get his conditioning better.

[Harry Callahan]

What is this guy going to be in a year or two? He probably has a chronic knee condition that will rob him of some of his athletic ability and explosiveness. The SuperMax would have been a risk, but I don't think the Spurs were comfortable sticking with this guy. He is not a trustworthy person - neither is his group. Has former agent Brian Elfus been paid yet by the second rate sports agency that represents Nephew?

[LCM]

Last I saw they were still in litagation. According to the case number there were motions filed in November. Haven't seen any movement beyond that, far as I know Elfus hasn't been compensated. Here's the best part ... far as I can understand, Elfus asked for a jury trial over this civil mater, which in the state of Florida they can potentially arrange in 10 days of the lawsuit being filed. It was filed early June. There is no news to say that this case is concluded. It's going on 6+ months now!!

[R. DeMurre]

The winning record the Raptors have in games without Kawhi pretty much kills his chance of an MVP this year. I believe they are 9-2 without him. No way the Rockets, Bucks, or Lakers win like that without their superstars.

[J_Paco]

Not at all. I have no doubt the Spurs front office royally screwed up by acting like they were in charge and he had to do it their way. Without a franchise player, you don't usually have much of a franchise. Period. They definitely did wrong on this one.

Has nothing to do with the way kawhi treated the fans. Which is what the argument is. Nothing to do with the front office.

They are in charge since they pay his salary. Yes, the NBA is "players'" league, but that doesn't mean franchises should just bend over and take up the rear end (with no lube).

There has to be a give and take with the relationship of management, coaches and players. Otherwise, you have a player hijack your organization (ala LeBron both times in Cleveland and Kobe in Los Angeles) and leave it is disarray once they leave/retire.

As this season proves, Kawhi and his "group" want to call the shots of when he can and can't go (with no indication he's nursing an injury). That is dangerous precedent to allow a player to make without the medical staff, coaches and organizations input.

Clearly, the Raptors are okay with all this since they think it will give them some misguided leverage in resigning him. Which we all know is extremely unlikely....

[SpurPadre]

Ms. Leonard still on the rag, out for tonight's game. She better not make an All NBA team, tbh.

[Maddog]

Interesting that he's sitting out again tonight. Still hasn't played a back-to-back this season despite N:lolrse saying Nephew was ready to do so more than a month ago...

Yeah,
No surgery. Basically missed an entire season and still not able to play back to back.
He's missed more games than Tony who is 36 comming off a surgery for a quad tear. Not that anybody in their right mind would consider that worse than whatever Nephew had.

[timvp]

So he's sitting for "rest" three days after he last played and three days before their next game? Interesting.

[Maddog]

So he's sitting for "rest" three days after he last played and three days before their next game? Interesting.

Is he on the bench supporting his teammates.
Or a trip to China to work on his brand?

[spursparker9]

Why is Nephew still faking the injury even though he is out of SA?

[gambit1990]

he was on the bench for the game siakom won at the buzzer the other night.

[apalisoc_9]

So he's sitting for "rest" three days after he last played and three days before their next game? Interesting.

I'm honestly surprised he's not getting flack for this sheningan. I firmly believe the spurs were at fault at least by 50% last year but what him and his camp are doing this year is beyond comical.

The worse part about it is the coaching stuff has no idea why hes even resting. Nurse has practiclly said hes been fine and has no idea why hes even resting.

He is getting just elementary level advice right now from his camp. Its funny how the raps fans dont see this resting as a clear sign of lack of committment from him and a clear sign of willingness to move to another team

[loveforthegame]

Is he on the bench supporting his teammates.
Or a trip to China to work on his brand?

He’s on the bench.

[Bad Takes]

Holy shit Danny Green.

[dbreiden83080]

So he's sitting for "rest" three days after he last played and three days before their next game? Interesting.

This Asshole is going to miss 20 plus games this season just for rest.. Fucking Pathetic..

[Rusty]

I'm honestly surprised he's not getting flack for this sheningan. I firmly believe the spurs were at fault at least by 50% last year but what him and his camp are doing this year is beyond comical.

The worse part about it is the coaching stuff has no idea why hes even resting. Nurse has practiclly said hes been fine and has no idea why hes even resting.

He is getting just elementary level advice right now from his camp. Its funny how the raps fans dont see this resting as a clear sign of lack of committment from him and a clear sign of willingness to move to another team

He injured his leg during the Wizards game and aggravated it when playing the Celtics because he was the only one doing anything on the court while the rest of his teammates played like shit and Kyle Lowry shrinks like a pussy ass bitch he is

you're being too harsh. It's contract year. He's not going out there risking an injury for some bum ass franchise like the Raptors

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I'm honestly surprised he's not getting flack for this sheningan. I firmly believe the spurs were at fault at least by 50% last year but what him and his camp are doing this year is beyond comical.

The worse part about it is the coaching stuff has no idea why hes even resting. Nurse has practiclly said hes been fine and has no idea why hes even resting.

He is getting just elementary level advice right now from his camp. Its funny how the raps fans dont see this resting as a clear sign of lack of committment from him and a clear sign of willingness to move to another team

The Raps are so insanely (and understandably) desperate to keep him they’ll do anything to keep him happy. He could take a month off and they’d be okay with it.

[Capt Bringdown]

What is this guy going to be in a year or two? He probably has a chronic knee condition that will rob him of some of his athletic ability and explosiveness. The SuperMax would have been a risk, but I don't think the Spurs were comfortable sticking with this guy. He is not a trustworthy person - neither is his group. Has former agent Brian Elfus been paid yet by the second rate sports agency that represents Nephew?

Good points. Any team that pays this guy a max contract is nuts.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

He is going to get his max contract. Dennis is in so far over his head that he has no choice but to advise Kawhi to do this. Everybody knows that Kawhi isn't re-signing with Toronto (except the Raps front office :lol ) I have no idea what happened between him and the Spurs but the bottom line is the Spurs NEVER even offered him the supermax contract so just by default his uncle cost Kawhi 40 million. Add on that his genius idea of trying to strong-arm the Spurs all while shit talking them and dragging their name through the mud in the media failed miserably to get Kawhi in LA, there's an additional 40 million dollars. I know people lie and say that money doesnt matter to Kawhi, but 80 million dollars is a shitload of money to cost somebody. Can you imagine if Kawhi got hurt right before he signed his next big contract, Dennis would be the poster child for worst manager of all time. Honestly if Kawhi tore his ACL right now, would the Clippers or the Lakers offer him a max deal? Only the Raptors would offer him the max contract he wants and Kawhi would be stuck in the one place where he feels more miserable than when he was with us, Toronto. Plus he would still be $40 million light. Only way this ends well for Dennis is if he gets his nephew to LA.

[duncan2k5]

The winning record the Raptors have in games without Kawhi pretty much kills his chance of an MVP this year. I believe they are 9-2 without him. No way the Rockets, Bucks, or Lakers win like that without their superstars.

We had an insane record without Duncan several times... Doesn't lessen his greatness or impact... Not sure why we look at it any different with Kawhi

[duncan2k5]

They are in charge since they pay his salary. Yes, the NBA is "players'" league, but that doesn't mean franchises should just bend over and take up the rear end (with no lube).

There has to be a give and take with the relationship of management, coaches and players. Otherwise, you have a player hijack your organization (ala LeBron both times in Cleveland and Kobe in Los Angeles) and leave it is disarray once they leave/retire.

As this season proves, Kawhi and his "group" want to call the shots of when he can and can't go (with no indication he's nursing an injury). That is dangerous precedent to allow a player to make without the medical staff, coaches and organizations input.

Clearly, the Raptors are okay with all this since they think it will give them some misguided leverage in resigning him. Which we all know is extremely unlikely....

So when I happens here, it's pop doing it, but when it happens in other teams, it's the players calling the shots? I see...

[duncan2k5]

He is going to get his max contract. Dennis is in so far over his head that he has no choice but to advise Kawhi to do this. Everybody knows that Kawhi isn't re-signing with Toronto (except the Raps front office :lol ) I have no idea what happened between him and the Spurs but the bottom line is the Spurs NEVER even offered him the supermax contract so just by default his uncle cost Kawhi 40 million. Add on that his genius idea of trying to strong-arm the Spurs all while shit talking them and dragging their name through the mud in the media failed miserably to get Kawhi in LA, there's an additional 40 million dollars. I know people lie and say that money doesnt matter to Kawhi, but 80 million dollars is a shitload of money to cost somebody. Can you imagine if Kawhi got hurt right before he signed his next big contract, Dennis would be the poster child for worst manager of all time. Honestly if Kawhi tore his ACL right now, would the Clippers or the Lakers offer him a max deal? Only the Raptors would offer him the max contract he wants and Kawhi would be stuck in the one place where he feels more miserable than when he was with us, Toronto. Plus he would still be $40 million light. Only way this ends well for Dennis is if he gets his nephew to LA.

When did he ever shit talk the Spurs? It was the other way around... He said face to face everything would be fine, then when they're not there spurs are throwing shade in the media and implying things that weren't true...


Imagine if it were the Spurs players and organization that were quiet to the public, and Kawhi and management giving interviews and throwing shade, ppl would commend the Spurs for being classy, and Bash Kawhi

[Kobe'sAchilles]

When did he ever shit talk the Spurs? It was the other way around... He said face to face everything would be fine, then when they're not there spurs are throwing shade in the media and implying things that weren't true...


Imagine if it were the Spurs players and organization that were quiet to the public, and Kawhi and management giving interviews and throwing shade, ppl would commend the Spurs for being classy, and Bash Kawhi

I was talking about Dennis shit talking the Spurs not Kawhi. He (Dennis) failed at his negotiations for the supermax and then he started trash talking the Spurs through Jabari and Chris Carter (once again Dennis not Kawhi) and then Dennis tried to strong arm the Spurs into only trading Kawhi to LA and again that didn't work bc we sent him to Toronto. Dennis will have cost Kawhi 80 million dollars, which is a shit ton of money to cost somebody bc Kawhi next contract will be in LA and for 4 years 160 million. That's why Dennis has advised Kawhi to be so careful bc if Kawhi were to get hurt now, Dennis would lose everything and be the poster child for worst manager of all time. If Kawhi tears his ACL, who still offers him the max besides Toronto?

[therealtruth]

Why is Nephew still faking the injury even though he is out of SA?

I know. He's had way to much rest.

[TimmyBuckets]

This thread still here? Wow.

[SpurPadre]

This thread still here? Wow.

This thread has more pages than Kawhi has games played in 2 years, tbh.

[BillMc]

This thread has more pages than Kawhi has games played in 2 years, tbh.

:lol And more words than Kawhi has spoken in his lifetime.

[SpurPadre]

:lol And more words than Kawhi has spoken in his lifetime.

:bobo

[TDomination]

He's gonna leave in the summer. /thread
quote from page 1.
unfortunately it did not end there

[Mikeanaro]

We had an insane record without Duncan several times... Doesn't lessen his greatness or impact... Not sure why we look at it any different with Kawhi
Dont mix things up.
Duncan is not a mute tard.
Duncan is greatest PF ever, mute isnt best SF ever.
Young Duncan was a real FMVP in his second season, Kiwi was a paper FMVP.

Nobody talks about him in the MVP conversation.

[SpurPadre]

The All-Star break is considered short rest and like playing a back to back for Ms. Leonard, tbh.

[Mikeanaro]

I was talking about Dennis shit talking the Spurs not Kawhi. He (Dennis) failed at his negotiations for the supermax and then he started trash talking the Spurs through Jabari and Chris Carter (once again Dennis not Kawhi) and then Dennis tried to strong arm the Spurs into only trading Kawhi to LA and again that didn't work bc we sent him to Toronto. Dennis will have cost Kawhi 80 million dollars, which is a shit ton of money to cost somebody bc Kawhi next contract will be in LA and for 4 years 160 million. That's why Dennis has advised Kawhi to be so careful bc if Kawhi were to get hurt now, Dennis would lose everything and be the poster child for worst manager of all time. If Kawhi tears his ACL, who still offers him the max besides Toronto?
Sure, but how it would be a safe bet to offer the max to a guy that needs to rest every 1 or 2 games after a sabbatical season?
Hope he finishes the season like Kobe in your avi.

[offset formation]

The Raps are so insanely (and understandably) desperate to keep him they’ll do anything to keep him happy. He could take a month off and they’d be okay with it.

Abused wife syndrome.

[TimmyBuckets]

Sure, but how it would be a safe bet to offer the max to a guy that needs to rest every 1 or 2 games after a sabbatical season?
Hope he finishes the season like Kobe in your avi.

The supermax was a nonissue. Kawhi wanted to leave. He was a top 3 player before the "injury" and Spurs would've offered it no question. He didn't care. The supermax is not the incentive it once was. Players are becoming better at marketing themselves. Even down syndrome Kawitter and his camp knew that media would be on his side for the most part, he was still a really good player, and, with the right market, he can make money. The bottom line is he wanted out and did a shit job of expressing that (which involved blatant lies, throwing shade from his camp, and strong-arming the organization that created him and made him a superstar).

[Mikeanaro]

The supermax was a nonissue. Kawhi wanted to leave. He was a top 3 player before the "injury" and Spurs would've offered it no question. He didn't care. The supermax is not the incentive it once was. Players are becoming better at marketing themselves. Even down syndrome Kawitter and his camp knew that media would be on his side for the most part, he was still a really good player, and, with the right market, he can make money. The bottom line is he wanted out and did a shit job of expressing that (which involved blatant lies, throwing shade from his camp, and strong-arming the organization that created him and made him a superstar).
Yeah, but what market can he get interested? short bus seatbelts? a phone app that doesnt let you forget you must breath?
He has no personality, no appeal whatsoever.
It is not just I play basketball buy my stuff.

[TimmyBuckets]

Yeah, but what market can he get interested? short bus seatbelts? a phone app that doesnt let you forget you must breath?
He has no personality, no appeal whatsoever.
It is not just I play basketball buy my stuff.

:lol Short bus seatblelts should be a Jaboodi dubs commercial.

In case you didn't know, they do commercial spoofs; (i.e. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ypX-zYB1ko)

[bic50]

Sure, but how it would be a safe bet to offer the max to a guy that needs to rest every 1 or 2 games after a sabbatical season?
Hope he finishes the season like Kobe in your avi.
Seek help

[Mikeanaro]

:lol Short bus seatblelts should be a Jaboodi dubs commercial.

In case you didn't know, they do commercial spoofs; (i.e. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ypX-zYB1ko)
LMAO, something like that with Uncle Dennis selling the shit while Kiwi is sitting mute while getting protected.

[bic50]

Abused wife syndrome.
Usual star treatment

[bic50]

The supermax was a nonissue. Kawhi wanted to leave. He was a top 3 player before the "injury" and Spurs would've offered it no question. He didn't care. The supermax is not the incentive it once was. Players are becoming better at marketing themselves. Even down syndrome Kawitter and his camp knew that media would be on his side for the most part, he was still a really good player, and, with the right market, he can make money. The bottom line is he wanted out and did a shit job of expressing that (which involved blatant lies, throwing shade from his camp, and strong-arming the organization that created him and made him a superstar).
Salty af

[Mikeanaro]

Seek help
Who the fuck are you recommending shit?
Go drink from the toilet.

[bic50]

Who the fuck are you recommending shit?
Go drink from the toilet.
Damn you're mad af. Wtf is wrong with you?

[TimmyBuckets]

Salty af

You might as well just quote 99% of this thread. It's no surprise fans are mad at the way Kawhi left. I'm not stating anything surprising here btw. This was well documented throughout the entire year, and all the way leading up to the trade. I'm not making things up, but hey if quoting the same shit over and over makes your day, then by all means, do your thing.

[Mikeanaro]

Damn you're mad af. Wtf is wrong with you?
Thats what I think, it seems you have issues with honest thoughts.
Go to the Raptors forum if this is too much for you.
All this time and you are surprised for an anti-mute comment.

[bic50]

You might as well just quote 99% of this thread. It's no surprise fans are mad at the way Kawhi left. I'm not stating anything surprising here btw. This was well documented throughout the entire year, and all the way leading up to the trade. I'm not making things up, but hey if quoting the same shit over and over makes your day, then by all means, do your thing.
its just weird that this is still a thing.

[TimmyBuckets]

its just weird that this is still a thing.

Agreed.

[bic50]

Thats what I think, it seems you have issues with honest thoughts.
Go to the Raptors forum if this is too much for you.
All this time and you are surprised for an anti-mute comment.
We're about halfway through the season and you're still this mad even wishing injury. Get help

[Mikeanaro]

We're about halfway through the season and you're still this mad even wishing injury. Get help
So you think this is something that reverts by itself?
Have you seen the Spurs - Raptors game in SA?
That was like 10 days ago, where you there telling people they needed help?
You are not even a Spur fan, and there you are barking at the wrong tree.

[james evans]

Dont mix things up.
Duncan is not a mute tard.
Duncan is greatest PF ever, mute isnt best SF ever.
Young Duncan was a real FMVP in his second season, Kiwi was a paper FMVP.

Nobody talks about him in the MVP conversation.
Duncan, who is my favorite player of all time, may not be a “mute tard” as u say but he sure does allow white people to take advantage of him a lot. Had he not retired, the Spurs would have had him playing for $1 million per season lol

[Mikeanaro]

Duncan, who is my favorite player of all time, may not be a “mute tard” as u say but he sure does allow white people to take advantage of him a lot. Had he not retired, the Spurs would have had him playing for $1 million per season lol
Too bad those legs had too much mileage, now we have Gasol taking advantage of the Spurs at the tune of 16 mil per year.
The tables have turned... :bang

[TimmyBuckets]

Duncan, who is my favorite player of all time, may not be a “mute tard” as u say but he sure does allow white people to take advantage of him a lot. Had he not retired, the Spurs would have had him playing for $1 million per season lol

First ballot dumbest post of the year.

[Dre_7]

Duncan, who is my favorite player of all time, may not be a “mute tard” as u say but he sure does allow white people to take advantage of him a lot. Had he not retired, the Spurs would have had him playing for $1 million per season lol

His final contract was for 10 mil. AND the Spurs are still paying him despite the fact that he hasn't played in 2 years. GTFOH with the nonsense Timmy hate. He is the GOAT

[SpurPadre]

The little bitch is skipping another game today. Parker, whose injury was 100x worse, came back ready to play a full season after.

[r0drig0lac]

The little bitch is skipping another game today. Parker, whose injury was 100x worse, came back ready to play a full season after.

this is really weird, and I really start to think that he may have something chronic that will prevent him from having a "normal" career.

[SpurPadre]

this is really weird, and I really start to think that he may have something chronic that will prevent him from having a "normal" career.

Lucky for him there are no playoff back to backs. I still think his pain tolerance is historically weak for a professional athlete.

[monkeypunk]

Fuck this thread, it needs to go downstairs where it belongs.

[exstatic]

Lucky for him there are no playoff back to backs. I still think his pain tolerance is historically weak for a professional athlete.

It's not even only B2Bs any more. The previous game that he skipped was THREE DAYS after their last game.

[exstatic]

Fuck this thread, it needs to go downstairs where it belongs.

If you find the thread offensive, simply don't click on it. Problem solved.

[exstatic]

This thread wouldn't bounce to the top NEARLY as much if there weren't a group of posters who insist that people should be 'over this'. The argument alone does most of the work in keeping this thread at the top. The reality is that this really won't calm down until Kawhi makes his decision next summer. Strap yourselves in for an extended run of posts in this thread.

a) If you don't like seeing this thread at the top, stop putting it there. The mods have spoken by NOT moving it downstairs, so stop telling THEM what to do.
b) Stop telling us what to do, MFers.

[Rosewood]

Fuck this thread, it needs to go downstairs where it belongs. Absolutely, looks pathetic tbh.

On that note though, fuck Kawhi Leonard.

[Hoops Czar]

This thread wouldn't bounce to the top NEARLY as much if there weren't a group of posters who insist that people should be 'over this'. The argument alone does most of the work in keeping this thread at the top. The reality is that this really won't calm down until Kawhi makes his decision next summer. Strap yourselves in for an extended run of posts in this thread.

a) If you don't like seeing this thread at the top, stop putting it there. The mods have spoken by NOT moving it downstairs, so stop telling THEM what to do.
b) Stop telling us what to do, MFers.

c) Keep DeRozan's name out yo mouth hater.

[Play Boban]

I've been anti-Kawhitter since before it became mainstream tbh.

[emanueldavidginobili]

“Load management” hilarious. I honestly don’t get it he missed basically the entire season had the entire offseason. From preseason last year to now is and is still sitting for rest games at 27 years old. I’ve never seen anything like it tbh.

[timvp]

Wait, so he's out tonight and tomorrow night?

'Tresting.

[toki9]

Wait, so he's out tonight and tomorrow night?

'Tresting.

Doesn't this look like managing a chronic injury, i.e., what the Spurs said he'll have to do going forward?

[DPG21920]

Wait, so he's out tonight and tomorrow night?

'Tresting.

Why do you say that?

[GreekSpursfan]

His next contract in LA is the most important of his career, of course he's gonna make sure as much as he can get away with it, to avoid any possible injury by playing(in his eyes) meaningless games for a team he doesn't care about. To sum up, he's a major bitch.

[offset formation]

I've been anti-Kawhitter since before it became mainstream tbh.

Props.

[RD2191]

He's definitely leaving the Raptors:lol

[Mikeanaro]

His next contract in LA is the most important of his career, of course he's gonna make sure as much as he can get away with it, to avoid any possible injury by playing(in his eyes) meaningless games for a team he doesn't care about. To sum up, he's a major bitch.
And what guarantee does Lakers have he wont be doing the same there?

[DAF86]

Why do you say that?

Because it is obvious that Kawhi is injured and will be for the rest of his career. He's just trying to mantain that injury manageable to get that max contract on this upcoming offseason.

[GreekSpursfan]

And what guarantee does Lakers have he wont be doing the same there?

Media, new contract. I think thats enough.

[313]

The media obviously has vested interest in Kawhi going to LA, so they’re going out of their way to protect him, akin to the KD situation, but I womder what it would take for the media to turn on one of these superstars that choose to say basically “fuck you” to the fans and the league.

[YGWHI]

Because it is obvious that Kawhi is injured and will be for the rest of his career. He's just trying to mantain that injury manageable to get that max contract on this upcoming offseason.

Which is fine.
IT injury and Boston's management/trade is the best showcase for "why a player should maximize his chances to get a max contract if he has a chronic injury"

Anyway, Raptors' doctors have been more supportive than Spurs'. It's clear now that the San Antonio didn't want to deal with Kawhi's injury and this much resting.

On other hand, Toronto really wants to keep him and that team is doing everything to get him.

Today, its medical staff have said they have a plan and these next 2-3 games were part of the plan. Esp after Wizards game when he took a knee on his quad. They said he will rest tomorow too and there will be more rest-games in the 2nd part of season.

Former Kobe's physio, Alex McKechnie said Kawhi never asked to sit, he also said that he has a plan for Kawhi and the player just follows it.

[YGWHI]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxiJysLW0AIKIJt.jpg:large

1087770940895686656

[DAF86]

Which is fine.
IT injury and Boston's management/trade is the best showcase for "why a player should maximize his chances to get a max contract if he has a chronic injury"

Anyway, Raptors' doctors have been more supportive than Spurs'. It's clear now that the San Antonio didn't want to deal with Kawhi's injury and this much resting.

On other hand, Toronto really wants to keep him and that team is doing everything to get him.

Today, its medical staff have said they have a plan and these next 2-3 games were part of the plan. Esp after Wizards game when he took a knee on his quad. They said he will rest tomorow too and there will be more rest-games in the 2nd part of season.

Former Kobe's physio, Alex McKechnie said Kawhi never asked to sit, he also said that he has a plan for Kawhi and the player just follows it.

The only reason they are putting up with it is because they are sucking his dick to see if he stays. On the unlikely scenario that happens, all this resting shit will start getting old for them.

Kawhi just needs to suck it up and learn to play with pain. He has a chronic quad injury, just like the Spurs diagnosed.

[DAF86]

BTW, another double digits Raptors win minus Kawhi. Doubly impressive since his backup, Anunoby, was out too.

Most stacked team in the league, tbh.

[YGWHI]

BTW, another double digits Raptors win minus Kawhi. Doubly impressive since his backup, Anunoby, was out too.

Most stacked team in the league, tbh.

Against King Fox/Shumper/Beija less. Again, we shouldn't forget some context.

The two most stacked teams are Warriors and Celtics. The former gets Cousins and the latter aren't playing great but when Stevens can put them on the same page they're so versatile.

[DAF86]

Against King Fox/Shumper/Beija less. Again, we shouldn't forget some context.

Yeah, and they also beat teams like the Warriors and Pacers on the road. They have all types of wins. They are just that stacked.

[YGWHI]

On the unlikely scenario that happens, all this resting shit will start getting old for them.

He played just 9 games last season. If he can play 2/3 season and playoffs this year, I doubt Raptors or any other team will need to rest him that much.

I still expect his team will sit him some b2b next season but that team won't have a plan for whole weeks off like this season.

[dbreiden83080]

So he's out for 3 straight games and now is going to doctors appointments LOL.. Raptors insist he is healthy.. Here we go....

http://www.nba.com/article/2019/01/22/raptors-kawhi-leonard-out-vs-kings

[gilmor2002]

He may take the rest of the season off..

[Maddog]

Beyond Bizarre.
Try to come up with a similar scenario. In all the years of NBA players-someone who has missed this much time without having undergone surgery.
Also what is his diagnosis?
There is none out there.

Let's give him the benefit of the doubt- he really was/is injured. Why can't anyone explain what the problem is and why after all this time he is still not a 100%.
It does raise the question that this is a degenerative condition.

[superbigtime]

DD may not be the same level player as Kawhi, but I sure am glad Spurs fans, players, and office don't have to go on Kawhi's brand of roller coaster any more. This gotta be frustrating for the Raptors.

[TDomination]

DD may not be the same level player as Kawhi, but I sure am glad Spurs fans, players, and office don't have to go on Kawhi's brand of roller coaster any more. This gotta be frustrating for the Raptors.

I doubt they feel frustration yet because their team is winning right now. Last year we struggled without him and wanted him back ASAP. and the longer it got put off the worse it felt.

But if Raptors keep winning, their mindset is that as long as he's healthy for the playoffs to try and make a legit run, we are in good position.

[DAF86]

He may take the rest of the season off..

No way. Teams might not be willing to pay him the max if he sits out for two straight seasons.

[DAF86]

If he does sit out for the season it is because he's indeed damaged goods.

[GreekSpursfan]

Against King Fox/Shumper/Beija less. Again, we shouldn't forget some context.

The two most stacked teams are Warriors and Celtics. The former gets Cousins and the latter aren't playing great but when Stevens can put them on the same page they're so versatile.

Disagree, most stacked are Warriors and Raptors, i would take Siakam over any Celtics player not named Kyrie. Tatum overrated as fuck.

[slick'81]

Hell be back and the raptors are 2nd in the eastern conference .not exactly time to panic yet

[Dex]

Looks like he is going to be out for tonight's game against Indiana as well. That will be 14 sits against 36 starts...he's essentially missed more than a quarter of the season under the guise of "load management". Sounds awful to familiar to his "Return From Injury Management" bullshit.

As others have said...Raptors fans will put up with it because they are still winning without him. If they were losing, they'd be putting him up on a stake.

Kawhi is either a giant pussy who can't handle the soreness that comes with NBA basketball, or there is more to his injury that the Raptors are letting on. Glad the Spurs don't have to deal with that drama anymore.

[south side spur]

I doubt they feel frustration yet because their team is winning right now. Last year we struggled without him and wanted him back ASAP. and the longer it got put off the worse it felt.

But if Raptors keep winning, their mindset is that as long as he's healthy for the playoffs to try and make a legit run, we are in good position.

That’s not entirely true. Obviously the team would’ve played “better” with Kawhi but there were some stretches last season when the team would begin to string some wins together only to always have Kawhi’s PR machine come out with some bullshit proactive message talking about a timeline for his return and the team would immediately start a losing streak.

[Maddog]

Looks like he is going to be out for tonight's game against Indiana as well. That will be 14 sits against 36 starts...he's essentially missed more than a quarter of the season under the guise of "load management". Sounds awful to familiar to his "Return From Injury Management" bullshit.

As others have said...Raptors fans will put up with it because they are still winning without him. If they were losing, they'd be putting him up on a stake.

Kawhi is either a giant pussy who can't handle the soreness that comes with NBA basketball, or there is more to his injury that the Raptors are letting on. Glad the Spurs don't have to deal with that drama anymore.

This will be a week since his last game.
As I asked earlier, can someone please tell me
1. an example of a player missing this much time for an injury that didn't require surgery?
2. what is the diagnosis also give an example of another player with a similar injury.

[Dex]

This will be a week since his last game.
As I asked earlier, can someone please tell me
1. an example of a player missing this much time for an injury that didn't require surgery?
2. what is the diagnosis also give an example of another player with a similar injury.

There is not. The dude is literally taking games off. In the case of the Spurs, he basically took half a season off as far as I'm concerned.

Kawhi has the ability to be a generational talent, to be sure. But guys don't just miss 1/4 games when they are "healthy". There is something more going on...and all signs points to a chronic injury.

The Raptors will probably be happy if he can come back for a solid playoff run...but even that is an IF with capital letters at this point. Then he either leaves or stays...but if I was Toronto, I wouldn't want to sell the farm for him.

I guarantee that future teams are going to be wary on giving this guy the max after these last two seasons. Maybe the Spurs saw that writing on the wall and Uncle Dennis didn't like it.

[RD2191]

I wonder how long it'll be before his teammates start questioning the FO? I sure hope Toronto's front office is strong enough to handle the situation. I can definitely see this causing a rift in the locker room.

[RD2191]

There is not. The dude is literally taking games off. In the case of the Spurs, he basically took half a season off as far as I'm concerned.

Kawhi has the ability to be a generational talent, to be sure. But guys don't just miss 1/4 games when they are "healthy". There is something more going on...and all signs points to a chronic injury.

The Raptors will probably be happy if he can come back for a solid playoff run...but even that is an IF with capital letters at this point. Then he either leaves or stays...but if I was Toronto, I wouldn't want to sell the farm for him.

I guarantee that future teams are going to be weary on giving this guy the max after these last two seasons. Maybe the Spurs saw that writing on the wall and Uncle Dennis didn't like it.

Kawhi definitely has to have some sort of chronic injury. It's clear as day now.

[313]

Kawhi sat out a year with no surgery, and he still isn't 100%. I would be scared shitless to mortgage the future of my franchise on him at this point..

With the Warriors super team, you can't blame any GM for the gamble, I guess,

[313]

:lol at all the Kawhi dicksuckers that spent all last season protecting his honor

[apalisoc_9]

Kawhi sat out a year with no surgery, and he still isn't 100%. I would be scared shitless to mortgage the future of my franchise on him at this point..

With the Warriors super team, you can't blame any GM for the gamble, I guess,

Timvp himself did say from what hes heard PATFO was actually a huge reason why kawhi acted that way. Gave PATFO blame.

I'm not defending his shit show in Toronto though. What he's doing now is just flat out embarrasing. I wanna say hes injured but hes playing almost 37 in games he plays

[UZER]

I’m telling y’all there was a play late in the 4th against the spurs that he drive and got fouled. He planted really hard to take off but got wrapped up. He started limping a and tried to walk it off. There was zero constant with his legs. It was an upper body foul.

He’s definitely got a leg issue. He plays like it’s always lingering.

[Corp1]

He's not going to be able to survive a playoff run which is even more physical.

[dbreiden83080]

Going to be another shit show the rest of the season. This man is so mentally weak. Raptors bent over backwards to make him happy there. But he won't play even with a twinge of pain.

[dbreiden83080]

He's not going to be able to survive a playoff run which is even more physical.

He may be out for the year again. 4 straight games missed, and he had a doctors appt.


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[jayskipz]

Raps gm bobby Webster just said kawhis rest days are planned ahead of time by the medical staff. He's also seen on the bench now, anything else to nit pick? LOL btw How's Derozan in crunch time for you guys?

[spursfan09]

:lol you really have no idea what’s coming.

[Dex]

Raps gm bobby Webster just said kawhis rest days are planned ahead of time by the medical staff. He's also seen on the bench now, anything else to nit pick? LOL btw How's Derozan in crunch time for you guys?

It's okay, most of us bought into Kawhi's bullshit last season too...and we all saw how that worked out.

[exstatic]

Raps gm bobby Webster just said kawhis rest days are planned ahead of time by the medical staff. He's also seen on the bench now, anything else to nit pick? LOL btw How's Derozan in crunch time for you guys?

What else do you think that representatives of the Toronto franchise are going to say? They're desperately trying to keep him happy and re-sign him. He could be just not showing up, and they would never say that.

[duncan2k5]

I don't think spurs fans understand that raptors fans were so over DDR, they rather have Kawhi for one year, than to be stuck with DDR forever

[DPG21920]

Raps gm bobby Webster just said kawhis rest days are planned ahead of time by the medical staff. He's also seen on the bench now, anything else to nit pick? LOL btw How's Derozan in crunch time for you guys?

He’s actually been very good in crunch time

[DPG21920]

I don't think spurs fans understand that raptors fans were so over DDR, they rather have Kawhi for one year, than to be stuck with DDR forever

Well if they lose Kawhi they will be sorely mistaken.

[DAF86]

Raps gm bobby Webster just said kawhis rest days are planned ahead of time by the medical staff. He's also seen on the bench now, anything else to nit pick? LOL btw How's Derozan in crunch time for you guys?

Sure thing son. A random 4 straight games stretch in the middle of January was planned ahead of time by the medical staff. :lol

[GreekSpursfan]

Raps gm bobby Webster just said kawhis rest days are planned ahead of time by the medical staff. He's also seen on the bench now, anything else to nit pick? LOL btw How's Derozan in crunch time for you guys?

Raps gm better be a blowjob artist if he wants to have any chance of changing uncle Dennis mind. Its over son, just enjoy this season.

[FkLA]

Kawhi is either a giant pussy who can't handle the soreness that comes with NBA basketball, or there is more to his injury that the Raptors are letting on. Glad the Spurs don't have to deal with that drama anymore.

You forgot the most likely scenario:

He's playing it safe so he can get his max contract from a team in LA.

[Dex]

You forgot the most likely scenario:

He's playing it safe so he can get his max contract from a team in LA.

I'm sure thats how his group is selling it.

Are the Lakers or Clippers dumb enough to give a max contract to a guy who hasn't played a full season in his entire career, and whose health seems to be getting progressively more questionable?

[phxspurfan]

I'm sure thats how his group is selling it.

Are the Lakers or Clippers dumb enough to give a max contract to a guy who hasn't played a full season in his entire career, and whose health seems to be getting progressively more questionable?

https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59788a1b552be54f008b6897-750-563.jpg

We'll take him.

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/hugWRzZE6JOvx_WTFo_hCRNIeaI=/0x0:902x902/1200x800/filters:focal(274x269:418x413)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/60240819/lebron_closing_magic.0.jpg

No, we'll take him!

[Dex]

https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59788a1b552be54f008b6897-750-563.jpg

We'll take him.

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/hugWRzZE6JOvx_WTFo_hCRNIeaI=/0x0:902x902/1200x800/filters:focal(274x269:418x413)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/60240819/lebron_closing_magic.0.jpg

No, we'll take him!

I stand corrected.

[GreekSpursfan]

I'm sure thats how his group is selling it.

Are the Lakers or Clippers dumb enough to give a max contract to a guy who hasn't played a full season in his entire career, and whose health seems to be getting progressively more questionable?

Both LA teams are desperate OR and here comes my speculation, uncle has already agreed with one of those teams and they advised him to play it even more safe, they want him 100% healthy next season.

[John B]

A healthy Kawhi in the playoffs is enough tbh. Raps now have the most wins why sweat it? As much as I hate Kiwi and don’t want him to succeed, I think Raps are just playing safe. And tbh Lakers/Clippers would love to have Kiwi also come playoffs when it really matters. Just imo

[UZER]

I don't think spurs fans understand that raptors fans were so over DDR, they rather have Kawhi for one year, than to be stuck with DDR forever

And...

I don't think raptors fans understand that Spurs fans were so over Kawhi and his DNPs, they would rather be stuck with DDR, than have Kawhi for one more year.

[John B]

And...

I don't think raptors fans understand that Spurs fans were so over Kawhi and his DNPs, they would rather be stuck with DDR, than have Kawhi for one more year.
Yup so over that’s why this thread.. :lol It still hurts:depressed

[SpurSpike]

I don't understand why this thread stays here when other threads related to Kawhi and/or comparing Kawhi to other players seem to be crossed out for no apparent reason? He is no longer a Spur, and hasn't been for 2 seasons...

[exstatic]

I don't understand why this thread stays here when other threads related to Kawhi and/or comparing Kawhi to other players seem to be crossed out for no apparent reason? He is no longer a Spur, and hasn't been for 2 seasons...

Because the Mods choose to leave it here. It's not really important to understand why, just to understand that's what's up. If the thread distresses you, simply don't click on it.

[Killakobe81]

I'm sure thats how his group is selling it.

Are the Lakers or Clippers dumb enough to give a max contract to a guy who hasn't played a full season in his entire career, and whose health seems to be getting progressively more questionable?

We are both thirsty AF ...of course both LA teams would take him ...

[Killakobe81]

We are both thirsty AF ...of course both LA teams would take him ...

I may have my concerns but Magis will camp out at Uncle dennis house, with Bron on speed dial

[Kori Ellis]

I don't understand why this thread stays here when other threads related to Kawhi and/or comparing Kawhi to other players seem to be crossed out for no apparent reason? He is no longer a Spur, and hasn't been for 2 seasons...

This thread stays because people are obsessed with Kawhi, and rather than nine million threads in the Spurs forum about him, I'd rather one.

[SpurPadre]

Victor Oladipo suffered a season ending ruptured quad. Watch him come back next season, fully healthy and actually PLAYING games unlike a certain bitch in Toronto. One day, karma will set in on that faking ass piece of shit in and he'll get a REAL injury like that. He can take the next two weeks off but karma will still be right behind him, tbh.

[RD2191]

And...

I don't think raptors fans understand that Spurs fans were so over Kawhi and his DNPs, they would rather be stuck with DDR, than have Kawhi for one more year.

Speak for yourself tbh

[sasaint]

I'm sure thats how his group is selling it.

Are the Lakers or Clippers dumb enough to give a max contract to a guy who hasn't played a full season in his entire career, and whose health seems to be getting progressively more questionable?

We can only hope so. It would be a cool, ironic twist to watch LeBron and Number 2 break down together on the Lakers. Or even just break down together on separate LA teams.

[UZER]

Speak for yourself tbh

I should have said American Spurs fans.

[Ginobilly]

I think kawhi and his uncle have some sort of under the table deal already, with either lakers/clips, and are just playing it safe. Next year will tell a lot about kawhi the person in how he performs with his new team.

[RD2191]

I should have said American Spurs fans.

MAGA

[loveforthegame]

https://mobile.twitter.com/LATrealestate/status/1088560714115993600?

[bdictjames]

^ WOJ BOMB

[Dex]

NBA star Kawhi Leonard slams down $13.3 million for Southern California home (https://www.latimes.com/business/realestate/hot-property/la-fi-hotprop-kawhi-leonard-rancho-santa-fe-home-20190124-story.html)

:lol he gone

[RD2191]

https://mobile.twitter.com/LATrealestate/status/1088560714115993600?

:wakeup

[RD2191]

Apparently it's about 100 miles from staples. Kawhi is a Cali boy. Don't think this means much of anything.

[SpurSpike]

Apparently it's about 100 miles from staples. Kawhi is a Cali boy. Don't think this means much of anything.

That's less than a 2 hour drive, not that bad really.

[RD2191]

That's less than a 2 hour drive, not that bad really.

But like 6 with uncle Dennis tbh

[rasuo214]

That's less than a 2 hour drive, not that bad really.

That's like a 2.5-3 hr drive when you factor in LA traffic.

Also Kawhi got voted into the All-Star game.

[loveforthegame]

https://mobile.twitter.com/JLew1050/status/1088591946119954432

[SpurSpike]

This thread stays because people are obsessed with Kawhi, and rather than nine million threads in the Spurs forum about him, I'd rather one.

Fair enough, and i appreciate that but one was about comparing him to a current Spur. Would that one have stayed if DDR was doing better? :spin

In the end i don't mind either way, I guess it gives the Kawhi followers one less thread to troll in. Just thought it was funny that one was deleted suddenly when DDR isn't doing so hot.

[99 Problems]

It’s a good thread. Beats the living frog sh#t out of ‘Pau & Patty to Olympiacos’ or ‘TP still better than Moses’ sh*t. Anyhow happy times at Rancho Santa Fe. :claw

[Kori Ellis]

https://mobile.twitter.com/LATrealestate/status/1088560714115993600?

Makes sense since he's always in San Diego every summer anyway.

[duncan2k5]

Well if they lose Kawhi they will be sorely mistaken.

How so? That's what they prefer... I'd prefer that too tbh

[duncan2k5]

And...

I don't think raptors fans understand that Spurs fans were so over Kawhi and his DNPs, they would rather be stuck with DDR, than have Kawhi for one more year.

The Spurs are the last ppl on their minds tbh... Those guys don't give a shit about us

[Russ]

The Spurs are the last ppl on their minds tbh... Those guys don't give a shit about us

Raptors fans are probably about as concerned about DDR as Spurs fans ended up being about George Hill.

[Chillen]

Bad news for Raptors fans this guy really loves California. I think his Raptors tenure is 1 and done unless they win the championship.

[weeks]

Yup so over that’s why this thread.. :lol It still hurts:depressed
We still have this thread because it's funny to watch Toronto get played

[weeks]

How so? That's what they prefer... I'd prefer that too tbh

That's because you're so married to your athlete worship you'll agree to ANYTHING that would give you an extra five minutes to lick Kawhi's ass clean
In the real world, the only thing that wins the trade for Tor is a ring. That's definitely a possibility so we'll just have to see what happens this summer

[Ginobilly]

Bad news for Raptors fans this guy really loves California. I think his Raptors tenure is 1 and done unless they win the championship.


California is probably the best place to live if your super rich. The state has everything. Good weather, beautiful beaches, women, culture, etc. You can't really blame him for wanting to leave cold as fuck toronto.

[SpursDynasty85]

California is probably the best place to live if your super rich. The state has everything. Good weather, beautiful beaches, women, culture, etc. You can't really blame him for wanting to leave cold as fuck toronto.

That and his family and most loyal fan base live there. Can't blame him at all for wanting to be in Cali. I just blame him for ruining his trade value and not being more professional with his departure. Overall, what is done is done and it is time to move on. Wish him the best, tbh. In his heart I am sure he misses a lot about the Spurs.

[ceperez]

Well, looks like Spurs came out like bandits on that trade with Toronto.

Next year Spurs have DeRozan, Poetl, and a 1st round pick. Next year Raptors have... nobody.

[Maddog]

Well, looks like Spurs came out like bandits on that trade with Toronto.

Next year Spurs have DeRozan, Poetl, and a 1st round pick. Next year Raptors have... nobody.

In Toronto's defense I think they are OK with this as a possibility. I think they felt the team as constructed was never going to win a title, and was basically stuck in limbo. If he leaves- rebuild without DDR's contract.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Well, looks like Spurs came out like bandits on that trade with Toronto.

Next year Spurs have DeRozan, Poetl, and a 1st round pick. Next year Raptors have... nobody.

ROFL, no

Spurs get an albatross of a contract with a choker in DeRozan.

Raps will have cap space and the continued growth of Siakim. Spurs got fleeced.

[spurraider21]

ROFL, no

Spurs get an albatross of a contract with a choker in DeRozan.

Raps will have cap space and the continued growth of Siakim. Spurs got fleeced.
"continued growth of siakam" was there regardless of the trade

raptors have cap space in exchange for derozan/poeltl and a first round pick. hard to argue you're rebuilding if you just gave away a first round pick. you really think the raptors are going to be able to rebuild through free agency?

[jayskipz]

1. its top 20 protected
2. If kawhi leaves this team proved they can still compete, they're 13-3 without him. We'll have cap space and we will go into a rebuild.

[DPG21920]

ROFL, no

Spurs get an albatross of a contract with a choker in DeRozan.

Raps will have cap space and the continued growth of Siakim. Spurs got fleeced.

Lol cap space. Since people have been flocking to TOR for years! I’m sure players will love seeing what they did to DeRozan and then seeing them lose Kawhi. Will be a beacon for free agents.

At least they have a first round pick to help them rebuild......oh wait.

[DPG21920]

They were an East leader and definite playoff team with DeRozan and Kawhi. Without them? They may struggle for years to make the playoffs.

Outside of Pascal, their youth is rather uninspiring. Van Fleet? Meh. Jonas? He’s medicore. McCaw? Nothing special. OG? Has not busted out like many of us had hoped.

Kyle Lowry is worse than Demar and has a worse contract too.

If they lose Kawhi, it’s a big setback. Now, if their cap space leads to landing good free agents and they stay a playoff team; cool, it’s much better. But that seems very unlikely.

What’s more likely is they go the BKY route and use their space to take on bad contracts so they can get picks back and do a rebuild.

There is no guarantee they will be a playoff team for a while if that all goes down.

[RD2191]

They were an East leader and definite playoff team with DeRozan and Kawhi. Without them? They may struggle for years to make the playoffs.

Outside of Pascal, their youth is rather uninspiring. Van Fleet? Meh. Jonas? He’s medicore. McCaw? Nothing special. OG? Has not busted out like many of us had hoped.

Kyle Lowry is worse than Demar and has a worse contract too.

If they lose Kawhi, it’s a big setback. Now, if their cap space leads to landing good free agents and they stay a playoff team; cool, it’s much better. But that seems very unlikely.

What’s more likely is they go the BKY route and use their space to take on bad contracts so they can get picks back and do a rebuild.

There is no guarantee they will be a playoff team for a while if that all goes down.

They're in the East. They'll be fine. :lol

[monkeypunk]

This thread wouldn't bounce to the top NEARLY as much if there weren't a group of posters who insist that people should be 'over this'. The argument alone does most of the work in keeping this thread at the top. The reality is that this really won't calm down until Kawhi makes his decision next summer. Strap yourselves in for an extended run of posts in this thread.

a) If you don't like seeing this thread at the top, stop putting it there. The mods have spoken by NOT moving it downstairs, so stop telling THEM what to do.
b) Stop telling us what to do, MFers.

My point is, he's not a Spur anymore and so his current exploits should be in a thread downstairs where the other non-Spur shitbirds are fawned over.

Plus, fuck that quitter.

[exstatic]

1. its top 20 protected
2. If kawhi leaves this team proved they can still compete, they're 13-3 without him. We'll have cap space and we will go into a rebuild.

You'll likely have to do it without Lowry, and possible Green, too. Lowry still seems really pissed at the trade, and DG is on a bargain deal. With the way he's playing, he'll likely command more on the open market, and he'll be 32 when the FA market opens in July.

[boutons_deux]

is nephew suiting up in HOU tonight?

[Rusty]

our nephew is getting destroyed right now:lol

[r0drig0lac]

Kawhi and Siakam vs rockets

[SpurPadre]

Karma calls for that faggot to rupture his quad tonight, tbh.

[phxspurfan]

So glad we don’t have this f4g on the roster anymore. Watching his whiny ass get outplayed by the Rockettes without 2 of their 3 best players and he still can’t play defense. And traveling all over the place too what a joke. And to think this is the one game he plays in like 4 games

[phxspurfan]

Lowry otoh a baus

[RD2191]

So glad we don’t have this f4g on the roster anymore. Watching his whiny ass get outplayed by the Rockettes without 2 of their 3 best players and he still can’t play defense. And traveling all over the place too what a joke. And to think this is the one game he plays in like 4 games

Please stfu. This might be one of the worse takes of all time. So glad you don't have an MVP caliber player anymore? :lol just stop it

[Budkin]

:lmao Kawhi

[gambit1990]

would’ve liked for the spurs to pick up faried.

21 points (8 of 11), 14 rebounds, 2 blocks tonight.

[99 Problems]

:claw

[phxspurfan]

LOL Kawairball FTL

[Budkin]

Misses the game winner too.

[RD2191]

My God, the rockets are insufferable faggots. Giving the dubs a run for their money.

[DAF86]

The fuck kind of play was that? :lol

[DAF86]

Kawhi has to come back to make the Raptors lose. :lol

[BackHome]

KY should have passed it to Green new he was going to choke

[DAF86]

I was pulling for the Raptors. Can't deny. But seriously, what the fuck was that play? Attack the fucking basket. No way the Rockets win it in OT after that kind of choke.

[sasaint]

would’ve liked for the spurs to pick up faried.

21 points (8 of 11), 14 rebounds, 2 blocks tonight.

I agree. But it was a done deal that he was headed to the Rockettes. Doubt the Spurs could have inspired much interest even if we had been interested in him.

[TheGreatYacht]

That final play was so ugly you would've thought Popovich drew it up....

[Kobe'sAchilles]

That final play was so ugly you would've thought Popovich drew it up....

nah. they actually got a shot off :wakeup

[RD2191]

nah. they actually got a shot off :wakeup

:lol

[gambit1990]

kawhi’s missed at least three or four game winning shots so far this season.

[GreekSpursfan]

Apparently 13.3m can buy you a massive home but not brain cells. One of the dumbest plays of the year.

[Budkin]

No one ever said Kawhi had a high BB IQ.

[YGWHI]

Kawhi has to come back to make the Raptors lose. :lol

Their last game without Kawhi your "most stacked team n the league" lost to less-Oladipo Pacers in the 4th quarter.

[loveforthegame]

Apparently Nurse only knows to call iso plays late in the game. Yikes.

[Spurs da champs]

kawhi’s missed at least three or four game winning shots so far this season.
This was like his last 2 minutes against Boston just so short. :lol

[SpurPadre]

What was our record last year in the 9 games that bitch played?

[YGWHI]

Harden takes and misses these ugly 3s all game -15% tonight- but the league kiss his ass.

Kawhi scored 32 pts in .56FG% .50 3P% 5asts 7rbs

Harden scored 35 pts in .36FG% .15 3P% 7asts 2 rbs

But people here think Kawhi had a bad game....

[SpurPadre]

Harden takes and misses these ugly 3s all game -15% tonight- but the league kiss his ass.

Kawhi scored 32 pts in .56FG% .50 3P% 5asts

Harden scored 35 pts in [b].36FG% .15 3P% 7asts

But people here think Kawhi had a bad game....

Why should the league kiss the ass of a proven quitter who refuses to play games for shits and giggles?

[RD2191]

Harden takes and misses these ugly 3s all game -15% tonight- but the league kiss his ass.

Kawhi scored 32 pts in .56FG% .50 3P% 5asts 7rbs

Harden scored 35 pts in .36FG% .15 3P% 7asts 2 rbs

But people here think Kawhi had a bad game....

Truth bombs

[diego]

Harden takes and misses these ugly 3s all game -15% tonight- but the league kiss his ass.

Kawhi scored 32 pts in .56FG% .50 3P% 5asts 7rbs

Harden scored 35 pts in .36FG% .15 3P% 7asts 2 rbs

But people here think Kawhi had a bad game....

You forgot 6 to for kawhi, 4 for harden. Harden's efficiency was bad, kawhi's ast/to ratio was terrible

[YGWHI]

I'm so happy for Danny. He was a beast on Harden and made crucial 3's. Despite his age, I still think he will get a really good contract in offseason.

One of the nicest guys in the league, a proven winner vet, playing a statistically amazing season.

This is what Raptors beat writer tweeted about Danny...He was right.
Only Danny and Kawhi came to play this game. Ibaka was horrible on D. Lowry abysmal shooting .22 FG% the same with VanVleet...
1089005616734003200



Why should the league kiss the ass of a proven quitter who refuses to play games for shits and giggles?
I never said someone should kiss his ass...I just wonder how someone can love these ugly/inefficient Harden&Russ games.

I also wonder how some guys here make fun of Kawhi when he already had a great game.

Granted he could have run other play than that desperate 3-p, his coach could have called something better than the shit he called...But it doesn't mean he didn't have a great game.

About sitting...Kawhi has bad quads. Overuse isn't the best for that type of injuries. But I don't find it that much worrisome. You can beat your ass that the Spurs would have a better record than 27-22 with Kawhi playing for us even if he sits b2b

[YGWHI]

You forgot 6 to for kawhi, 4 for harden. Harden's efficiency was bad, kawhi's ast/to ratio was terrible
True. But it doesnt mean he had a bad game. For most quarters he was the sole reason why Raptors were still in the game.

[DAF86]

Their last game without Kawhi your "most stacked team n the league" lost to less-Oladipo Pacers in the 4th quarter.

Because it was already lost. lol your boy shooting an airball to end the game. :lol

[YGWHI]

Because it was already lost.
THEY lost the game.


lol your boy shooting an airball to end the game. :lol
No one can make all shots in a game but I would pick him for my team all day.