***OFFICIAL KAWHI RELATED NEWS Thread***

[BillMc]

We know he pretended to still be injured, the big question is the reason he did it, if he signs again with Raps, this thread can reach 1000 pages.

Yep. May get there no matter where he signs.

[SpurPadre]

Never thought I'd say this but I'd root for the Dubs if this motherfucker goes to the Finals.

[slick'81]

This series isnt over but dammit if kawhi reaches the promise land and resigns in tor:bangthen we have two more years of patty and derozan to look forward to

[BillMc]

Never thought I'd say this but I'd root for the Dubs if this motherfucker goes to the Finals.

Yep. Worst "Lesser Evil" conundrum since Hitler or Stalin.

[SpurPadre]

Dubs v Raptors will be interesting tbh, but obviously Golden State isn't just going to give their best player the ball at the top of the key and ask him to go 1v1 against the best perimeter defender in the last 20 years...

Kind of funny to see Spurfan having to cheer for the Dubs to take out Nephew :lmao

Too bad they don't have Zaza anymore but maybe Draymond can do that wild kick thing he does and hit Load Management in the knee. Not that they need to do it to rape them anyways.

[SpurPadre]

Yep. Worst "Lesser Evil" conundrum since Hitler or Stalin.

Agreed

[Mugen]

Meh, Spurfan out of all people should know that a 2-0 lead in the Conference Finals means nothing.

The Raptors hold serve at home and this series is a toss-up again.

:lol Raps backdoor sweeping the SA Bucks

[RD2191]

Raps should be up 3-1 tbh

[Slippy]

Kawhi picking his spots by playmaking taking advantage of all the attention. Defensively just using his length. Not much mobility. He playing hampered for sure but still having an impact. This time however Kyle, serge and the bench have shared scoring load. That helps.

If not for Middleton bucks would of been smashed.

[RD2191]

Fucking Dubs gonna luck out AGAIN if the raps somehow win this series with an injured Kawhi.

[ShutUp SayItAgain!]

:lmao I can't root for Kawhi or The Warriors. Wtf man!!!

[SpurPadre]

Yep. Worst "Lesser Evil" conundrum since Hitler or Stalin.

Satan's Team vs. Satan's Son basically...

[timvp]

I've been rooting for the Warriors since the Spurs got eliminated, tbh. I don't want any other team gaining championship experience.

Raptors going to the Finals would be a good thing, IMO. It has to increase the chances Nephew stays in Canada. I'd rather that than him sign with the Clippers.

[BillMc]

Satan's Team vs. Satan's Son basically...

True. Well-coined.

[ShutUp SayItAgain!]

I don't want Warriors to 3peat bc they never played us full strength and just fuck them and their faggot asses. I don't want Kawhi to win bc you know what he did faking his injury to force a trade and ended Manus career a year early and robbed us of a championship last year. Fuck them both. Fuck.

Get your shit together Bucks!

[Slippy]

Kawhi playing through injury . That's risking his future earnings, something he wasnt willling to do here during regular season. A good sign he may stay with raptors.

[Mugen]

I'd easily take the Dubs over the Warriors, that shouldn't even be a debate :lol

[ShutUp SayItAgain!]

Kawhi playing through injury here. That's risking his future earnings, something he wasnt willling to do here during regular season. A good sign he may stay with raptors.

Dude is faking just to fix his image from last year so people can be like "omg he was injured!"

Total bs

[SpurPadre]

I'd easily take the Dubs over the Warriors, that shouldn't even be a debate :lol

You mean over Load Management.

[gambit1990]

I'd easily take the Dubs over the Warriors, that shouldn't even be a debate :lol
raps would win if kawhi was healthy.

[gambit1990]

didn't see the game tonight. so idk how he looked.

[SpurPadre]

This has no chance in hell of happening unless Steph gets hurt AND Durant doesn't come back but if Load Management rings this year, it'll be just as hurtful as Game 6, tbh.

[weeks]

Kawhi playing through injury . That's risking his future earnings, something he wasnt willling to do here during regular season. A good sign he may stay with raptors.

I hope he does stay in Toronto TBH..who cares about the trade anymore, keeping Kawhi in the east is a win for us

[Slippy]

Dude is faking just to fix his image from last year so people can be like "omg he was injured!"

Total bs

Him dogging it on defense and lack of lift tells me it's legit. There's all sorts of questions about his long term health starting last seasons . Faking an injury to help restore his image is the last thing he needs .

:rollin

[SpurPadre]

If this a legit injury this time, does he still get the max?

[Mugen]

Nick Nurse looks like a PE Coach that's been asked to teach Spanish to a bunch of 9th graders....

And he's on the verge of taking his team to the Finals :lol

[Mugen]

If this a legit injury this time, does he still get the max?

of course :lol

[DAF86]

I've been rooting for the Warriors since the Spurs got eliminated, tbh. I don't want any other team gaining championship experience.

Raptors going to the Finals would be a good thing, IMO. It has to increase the chances Nephew stays in Canada. I'd rather that than him sign with the Clippers.

If you are going to root for that untill the Spurs are championship contender level again, you will be rooting for the Warriors to win the next 10 championships, tbh. :lol

[look_at_g_shred]

Put nurse on the warriors instead of Kerr and literally nothing is different. 2 “coaches” getting carried by their players. I bet pop misses Tim

[ShutUp SayItAgain!]

Him dogging it on defense and lack of lift tells me it's legit. There's all sorts of questions about his long term health starting last seasons . Faking an injury to help restore his image is the last thing he needs .

:rollin

Nah he was pretending at first in game 3 in case they went down 0-3, from that people actually believe he must have really been hurt last year. He wasn't. He's just contuining for the bs publicity he's getting for being a tough soldier now lol Great PR

[TheGreatYacht]

Kawhi making you faggots dance :lmao

[SpurPadre]

of course :lol

But that would be a huge risk for a cowardly gimp who has never played 90% of a full season.

[Mugen]

But that would be a huge risk for a cowardly gimp who has never played 90% of a full season.

They load managed him and he's 2 games away from dragging them to the Finals. He could come out and say I'm going to play half the regular season games next year and he'd still get the max easily :lol

[Johojowhite]

Lol Blazers were overrated trash and exposed as such. Bucks or Raptors will play the Warriors much tougher.

[ZeusWillJudge]

They load managed him and he's 2 games away from dragging them to the Finals. He could come out and say I'm going to play half the regular season games next year and he'd still get the max easily :lol


:tu Count on it.

[Slippy]

Still think the dubs have got this not matter who they playing. They rolling with their old core without iggs and Durant to come back. Only they can stop themselfs.

What's hurts is if nephew ponies up with raptors. Spurs had no bargaining power because he stated he had no intention of signing an extension. Why couldn't he have just demanded , get me out of here. If he signs with raptors, It seems it was all about hurting the spurs while getting out.

[gambit1990]

i think kawhi can be healthier in the future but what he has seems like it will linger.

[slick'81]

Coach bud probably like wth did spurs trade this fucker east

[timvp]

Nick Nurse looks like a PE Coach that's been asked to teach Spanish to a bunch of 9th graders....

And he's on the verge of taking his team to the Finals :lol

Or .... his team is taking him, tbh. Nurse isn't elite :lol

[timvp]

If you are going to root for that untill the Spurs are championship contender level again, you will be rooting for the Warriors to win the next 10 championships, tbh. :lol

My body is ready, tbh :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Or .... his team is taking him, tbh. Nurse isn't elite :lol
Gregg Nurse tbh :lol

[therealtruth]

Still think the dubs have got this not matter who they playing. They rolling with their old core without iggs and Durant to come back. Only they can stop themselfs.

What's hurts is if nephew ponies up with raptors. Spurs had no bargaining power because he stated he had no intention of signing an extension. Why couldn't he have just demanded , get me out of here. If he signs with raptors, It seems it was all about hurting the spurs while getting out.

Did the Spurs even offer the max?

[slick'81]

Did the Spurs even offer the max?


Nobody knows

[timvp]

Gregg Nurse tbh :lol

What's going on with ya boy Bud, tbh?

[Mugen]

What's going on with ya boy Bud, tbh?

Being outcoached by a substitute teacher tbh. He should probably start ignoring those Pop texts.

[timvp]

Being outcoached by a substitute teacher tbh. He should probably start ignoring those Pop texts.

Losing = outcoached. Got it :tu

[Mugen]

Losing = outcoached. Got it :tu

I mean, giving Giannis the ball 24 feet away and saying go score on the best perimeter defender of his generation seems like iffy coaching to me.

At least with Bud, it's Giannis and not Patty :lol

[therealtruth]

Losing = outcoached. Got it :tu

Not yet. But if he gets backdoor swept.

[ShutUp SayItAgain!]

Gregg Nurse tbh :lol

lol :tu

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I've been rooting for the Warriors since the Spurs got eliminated, tbh. I don't want any other team gaining championship experience.

Raptors going to the Finals would be a good thing, IMO. It has to increase the chances Nephew stays in Canada. I'd rather that than him sign with the Clippers.

:tu

I support these sentiments.

It would be hard for Kawhi to walk away from being King of the East, and who cares if the Warriors won 10 ‘ships in a row at this point. One thing the West playoffs show me is that the Spurs are a player or two away from being #2 in the West. 2 through 9 is basically a toss-up going into next season. I see Houston regressing, and the rest of the conference after GSW is pretty evenly matched.

[Jonnyblue19]

I mean, giving Giannis the ball 24 feet away and saying go score on the best perimeter defender of his generation seems like iffy coaching to me.

At least with Bud, it's Giannis and not Patty :lol


Not only that it is easier to collapse the defense when they give the ball to Giannis at the 3 point line. Post him up more and when they double his teams should cut. All the Bucks do is stand around, Giannis isn't like Harden he isn't going to hold the ball for 14 seconds he is a willing passer, but there needs to be some movement on the Bucks.

[Uriel]

Did the Spurs even offer the max?
I read somewhere on this thread that some ESPN journalist reported they did in the end (I believe it was BillMc that said it). But I tried Googling said journalist and couldn't find anything.

[phxspurfan]

I read somewhere on this thread that some ESPN journalist reported they did in the end (I believe it was BillMc that said it). But I tried Googling said journalist and couldn't find anything.

That would be so stupid. Guy can't even play 100% a full season, much less a playoff run, (or one overtime game) before wincing in pain

[Nathan89]

Here and there. Not on every single possession like he has been doing all playoffs' long. Kawhi isn't a good enough playmaker to hog the ball so damn much.

What's the the offense look like with him on and off the court? Last I seen the difference was more stark than any other player in the playoffs.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Kawhi making you faggots dance :lmao

Sad how Kawhi on one leg is still much more efficient than a healthy DeRozan :lmao

[Nathan89]

Kawhi is a winner tbh. He was the best player on the court in 2017 in the wcf and that was with a hobbled ankle. Now he's guarding Giannis with only one leg. Toronto is going to kick themselves if they lose for waiting to put Kawhi on Giannis.

[timvp]

The way Nephew is limping leaves the door open for the Spurs possibly dodging a bullet when we look back on what happened five years from now. That he's dealing with a quad issue after sitting out almost an entire season and then another season getting his load managed makes me wonder how many miles he has left. Maybe he has a low pain threshold and he's fine and just adding to the drama. Maybe his quad is almost completely done. Don't know but the last two games he's more gimpy than I've ever seen him ... yet he's still playing well.

Guess we'll eventually be able to look back on everything and have an answer.

[RC_Drunkford]

So, why couldn't Kawhi gut it through for the Spurs last year?

This is what I'm asking myself. How the fuck does he play through pain now, but couldn't do it when he was here? Is it because it's the playoffs? Doubt so

Does anybody know if that's his tendon that he had problems with before or something else?

By the way Bucks losing to Toronto while Leonard is hobbled ain't a good sign at all


The way Nephew is limping leaves the door open for the Spurs possibly dodging a bullet when we look back on what happened five years from now. That he's dealing with a quad issue after sitting out almost an entire season and then another season getting his load managed makes me wonder how many miles he has left. Maybe he has a low pain threshold and he's fine and just adding to the drama. Maybe his quad is almost completely done. Don't know but the last two games he's more gimpy than I've ever seen him ... yet he's still playing well.

Doesn't that basically confirm that his quad injury is chronic?

[BillMc]

I read somewhere on this thread that some ESPN journalist reported they did in the end (I believe it was BillMc (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=16431) that said it). But I tried Googling said journalist and couldn't find anything.

Brian Windhorst reported that the Spurs DID offer KL the Supermax at the end, but he turned it down. Consider the source, but it was in an ESPN article. I posted it at the time, but am too lazy to go back and look.

[r0drig0lac]

If this a legit injury this time, does he still get the max?

29 teams would pay without thinking twice, especially the Warriors (if they had how to do it), only spursfans has any questions about this



Put nurse on the warriors instead of Kerr and literally nothing is different. 2 “coaches” getting carried by their players. I bet pop misses Tim
this

[polandprzem]

The way Nephew is limping leaves the door open for the Spurs possibly dodging a bullet when we look back on what happened five years from now. That he's dealing with a quad issue after sitting out almost an entire season and then another season getting his load managed makes me wonder how many miles he has left. Maybe he has a low pain threshold and he's fine and just adding to the drama. Maybe his quad is almost completely done. Don't know but the last two games he's more gimpy than I've ever seen him ... yet he's still playing well.

Guess we'll eventually be able to look back on everything and have an answer.

I still remember Pop saying that we will make this trade great. And then I thought maybe they knew this injury is bad or knew his head was not there. idk

But he had day off between games and he came back worse. Not a good sign if you ask me.

[exstatic]

I still remember Pop saying that we will make this trade great. And then I thought maybe they knew this injury is bad or knew his head was not there. idk

But he had day off between games and he came back worse. Not a good sign if you ask me.

Can't remember who the poster was, but he said after game 3 that TOR won the battle, but may have lost the war by playing Kawhi 54 minutes. TNT was trying to spin it that he was cramping, but they may have instructions from corporate to NOT discuss the issue, from a liability standpoint. The Group could possibly sue TNT if he got bad offers after they discussed his injury on air.

[RD2191]

Can't remember who the poster was, but he said after game 3 that TOR won the battle, but may have lost the war by playing Kawhi 54 minutes. TNT was trying to spin it that he was cramping, but they may have instructions from corporate to NOT discuss the issue, from a liability standpoint. The Group could possibly sue TNT if he got bad offers after they discussed his injury on air.

:lol yeah ok.

[cd98]

The way Nephew is limping leaves the door open for the Spurs possibly dodging a bullet when we look back on what happened five years from now. That he's dealing with a quad issue after sitting out almost an entire season and then another season getting his load managed makes me wonder how many miles he has left. Maybe he has a low pain threshold and he's fine and just adding to the drama. Maybe his quad is almost completely done. Don't know but the last two games he's more gimpy than I've ever seen him ... yet he's still playing well.

Guess we'll eventually be able to look back on everything and have an answer.

Man, I hope so. I need something after watching him look part Michael Jordan the last few games. It's hard to watch a great player leave your team and then dominate for another team while your team is on vacation for the rest of the year.

[Mugen]

Look, Nephew is a scumbag trash human being that quit on his teammates...

But you gotta admire that he's gutting it out for a franchise that most people said he didn't give a shit about, has been the best player in the East and is about to drag a loser organization to the Finals (slaying two Pop disciples along the way tbh)....meanwhile Pop and RC are racking their brain on how they're going to get Patty more help :lol

[RD2191]

Look, Nephew is a scumbag trash human being that quit on his teammates...

But you gotta admire that he's gutting it out for a franchise that most people said he didn't give a shit about, has been the best player in the East and is about to drag a loser organization to the Finals (slaying two Pop disciples along the way tbh)....meanwhile Pop and RC are racking their brain on how they're going to get Patty more help :lol

Did you have truth flakes for breakfast?

[exstatic]

:lol yeah ok.

Do you think it was cramps? Because what I saw was him coming up lame every time he dunked or really pushed off with that leg. He was limping.

[exstatic]

Look, Nephew is a scumbag trash human being that quit on his teammates...

But you gotta admire that he's gutting it out for a franchise that most people said he didn't give a shit about, has been the best player in the East and is about to drag a loser organization to the Finals (slaying two Pop disciples along the way tbh)....meanwhile Pop and RC are racking their brain on how they're going to get Patty more help :lol

He's not doing shit for Toronto. He's a FA this summer, and the optics would be terrible if he weren't playing every game, normal playoff minutes. He's doing for himself, and The Group.

[Spurs Homer]

The only difference in the piece of shit quitter traitor - now and when he betrayed the Spurs -

is that Canadians have BIDET'S in their shithouses -

so the quitter doesn't have to actually wipe his ass anymore - because he still can't.

Bucks will win the series and the quitter will betray the raps.

[KobesAchilles]

I’m really impressed with Kawhi. I didn’t think this series would last longer than 5 games. Bucks have all the pressure on them now. Let’s see how Giannis answers.

Seems like I was wrong in believing that Kawhi isn’t worth the Super-Max. And yes I’m aware I’m the only person in the world who thought that :lol . I just thought he was like Westbrook and Harden, great players who will never lead a team to a title. And don’t bring up his Finals MVP bc he didn’t lead the Spurs in the playoffs that year, that honor still belonged to Timmy D. So I figured it isn’t worth 40 million a year for second round and conference finals exits.

Still 2 games to go and finally an exciting series.

[TDomination]

Look, Nephew is a scumbag trash human being that quit on his teammates...

But you gotta admire that he's gutting it out for a franchise that most people said he didn't give a shit about, has been the best player in the East and is about to drag a loser organization to the Finals (slaying two Pop disciples along the way tbh)....meanwhile Pop and RC are racking their brain on how they're going to get Patty more help :lol

Really? Admire that he’s actually playing for the franchise that’s paying him? Gutting it out? When your paid millions every year you better be gutting it out.

but I forgot that with kawhi it’s a special case. He doesn’t always have to play for the team that’s paying him. Only if he’s happy or willing to. Otherwise he just won’t show up. So yeah I guess it takes extra effort on his part to do what he’s doing.

but the first part of your post is spot on!

[RC_Drunkford]

so it's his right leg and it was his right quad that he had problems with in San Antonio. I guess he still ain't fully healthy. Seems chronic which would make the Spurs diagnosis right

[SpursDynasty85]

so it's his right leg and it was his right quad that he had problems with in San Antonio. I guess he still ain't fully healthy. Seems chronic which would make the Spurs diagnosis right

That is one cold hard pill to possibly swallow. Kawhi's right leg does appear to be deteriorating. He should be a level above Harden and right about a Giannis's fitness level which would make him the current best player in the world probably but I guess something so dominant wasn't meant to last that long. He still is going to be top tier for next 2 years but after that who knows with that limp.

[RC_Drunkford]

That is one cold hard pill to possibly swallow. Kawhi's right leg does appear to be deteriorating. He should be a level above Harden and right about a Giannis's fitness level which would make him the current best player in the world probably but I guess something so dominant wasn't meant to last that long. He still is going to be top tier for next 2 years but after that who knows with that limp.

the only difference now is he's playing through pain which is what the Spurs been advocating for, but he didn't want to do it. If this is legit it might really hinder him career wise which would be great karma

[Jonnyblue19]

the only difference now is he's playing through pain which is what the Spurs been advocating for, but he didn't want to do it. If this is legit it might really hinder him career wise which would be great karma

He has to, this summer is his big payday. Once he gets paid he can go back to resting or even if he retires his contract might be guaranteed still. Insurance would probably pay the rest of it, but he would set up forever.

Unless he ruptures something and can't play he won't get the max. But since he can play through the pain he will.

[RC_Drunkford]

https://twitter.com/LubbockElitist/status/1131017148967653376?s=20

https://twitter.com/LubbockElitist/status/1131017417524731912?s=20

https://twitter.com/mikecwright/status/1131238149995323392?s=20

[weebo]

Look, Nephew is a scumbag trash human being that quit on his teammates...

But you gotta admire that he's gutting it out for a franchise that most people said he didn't give a shit about, has been the best player in the East and is about to drag a loser organization to the Finals (slaying two Pop disciples along the way tbh)....meanwhile Pop and RC are racking their brain on how they're going to get Patty more help :lol


...And what's the alternative? Not Play? :lol
KL is playing for his next gig...does he want to win? Of course he does...but what he is doing in Toronto is just a means to an end.

[R. DeMurre]

Kawhi is playing great, but someone like the Clippers and Jerry West have to be concerned... do you really want to max out a guy who sat out an entire season, then had an unprecedented amount of "load management" and still seems to be suffering from the same injury? A four year commitment at max is a lot of money... and if Kawhi deteriorates, those year 3 and 4 obligations could ruin a franchise financially.

[Spurs fever]

Did Michael C Wright originally say both sides were to blame? I thought he came out very pro Spurs back when all this dropped.

[loveforthegame]

Did Michael C Wright originally say both sides were to blame? I thought he came out very pro Spurs back when all this dropped.

I thought he was very pro spurs too. He even said he had a lot more Leonard/uncle dirt he’d spill when the trade dust settled. So it’s surprising he’s now saying both sides are to blame. Though I guess that lines up with timvp saying he knows things that made him sympathetic towards Leonard.

[UZER]

https://twitter.com/LubbockElitist/status/1131017148967653376?s=20

https://twitter.com/LubbockElitist/status/1131017417524731912?s=20

https://twitter.com/mikecwright/status/1131238149995323392?s=20

MCWright saying what a lot of us have been saying. Blame is on BOTH SIDES. People on here want to put it all on Kawhi. I keep saying what got so bad that they would not only ask for a trade, but hide Kawhi from the Spurs, and sabotage all the trades they were tying to make?

[Spurs fever]

I thought he was very pro spurs too. He even said he had a lot more Leonard/uncle dirt he’d spill when the trade dust settled. So it’s surprising he’s now saying both sides are to blame. Though I guess that lines up with timvp saying he knows things that made him sympathetic towards Leonard. But then how can the team be so shocked it blew up?

[timvp]

Michael C. Wright can't tell the whole story unless he doesn't care about being blackballed by the Spurs and possibly the NBA . . . . . . . . . .

[RD2191]

Michael C. Wright can't tell the whole story unless he doesn't care about being blackballed by the Spurs and possibly the NBA . . . . . . . . . .

Spill it. I'll pay you.

[UZER]

Michael C. Wright can't tell the whole story unless he doesn't care about being blackballed by the Spurs and possibly the NBA . . . . . . . . . .

Yes he can. He can do it here. Just give him one of dabooms alts.

[RD2191]

Yes he can. He can do it here. Just give him one of dabooms alts.

:lol tbh

[timtonymanu]

From Wing Stop to Red Carpet, sigh

[timvp]

Yes he can. He can do it here. Just give him one of dabooms alts.

K, keep a lookout for dabom9, tnbh.

[MichaelBayismyUncle]

He's not doing shit for Toronto. He's a FA this summer, and the optics would be terrible if he weren't playing every game, normal playoff minutes. He's doing for himself, and The Group.
Stay in denial. lol He's staying in Toronto.

[timtonymanu]

Sad how Kawhi on one leg is still much more efficient than a healthy DeRozan :lmao

Some were so delusional to ever think this trade would have helped the Spurs

[SpursforSix]

Some were so delusional to ever think this trade would have helped the Spurs

I think the worry was that Leonard was going to screw them around and sit out the whole season.

[slick'81]

I think the worry was that Leonard was going to screw them around and sit out the whole season.


Thats why its called a panic move

[SpursforSix]

Thats why its called a panic move

well yeah. I was responding to the comment about "delusional people" thinking the trade helped the Spurs.

I'm pretty sure the Spurs with Demar won more games that Spurs would have without Leonard and Demar. Not to mention the season long drama they would have been dealing with.

The big question being if he would have played the same about of games in SA as he did with Toronto.

[cd98]

K, keep a lookout for dabom9, tnbh.

I'm guessing if the true story gets out on Spurstalk, Spurs folks will know it didn't come from some random dude. But the real question I have is whether Kawhi threatened to do the same thing this year if the Spurs didn't trade him. I'm curious how bad he tried to tie their hands on a trade. Or if he just said he's leaving after this year, so if you keep him, you'll get nothing for him, but that he's playing to win a championship. I'm guessing he told them to trade him or he would sit. That's the only thing that could have motivated them to trade him and not get a king's ransom.

[TD 21]

I've been rooting for the Warriors since the Spurs got eliminated, tbh. I don't want any other team gaining championship experience.

Raptors going to the Finals would be a good thing, IMO. It has to increase the chances Nephew stays in Canada. I'd rather that than him sign with the Clippers.

:lmao At this logic. I didn't know you were a Curry/Warriors fanboy.

Championship experience? I wouldn't worry about that. It could be another 20, 30, 40 or more years before this franchise even has a roadmap to that. They gave theirs away because they didn't have the balls to drag out an uncomfortable situation.

I don't understand how any Spurs fan could want the Raptors in the Finals or him to re-sign. He shouldn't be rewarded for doing what he did and the all-time bad trade only becomes worse if they secure him for his prime years.

Unfortunately, I think you're going to get your wish though. Virtually everything they probably needed to break right, has.





Really? Admire that he’s actually playing for the franchise that’s paying him? Gutting it out? When your paid millions every year you better be gutting it out.


but I forgot that with kawhi it’s a special case. He doesn’t always have to play for the team that’s paying him. Only if he’s happy or willing to. Otherwise he just won’t show up. So yeah I guess it takes extra effort on his part to do what he’s doing.

but the first part of your post is spot on!


:tu

[RC_Drunkford]

Michael C. Wright leaking the story about Uncle Dennis not wanting to follow the Spurs schedule at the All-Star game and having to walk to the arena with Kawhi definitely showed that there were Uncle Dennis issues prior to the "injury"

[exstatic]

well yeah. I was responding to the comment about "delusional people" thinking the trade helped the Spurs.

I'm pretty sure the Spurs with Demar won more games that Spurs would have without Leonard and Demar. Not to mention the season long drama they would have been dealing with.

The big question being if he would have played the same about of games in SA as he did with Toronto.

There was ish floated that The Group said he was going to sit out, again. I don't categorize a trade under those circumstances as a panic move.

[exstatic]

Stay in denial. lol He's staying in Toronto.

I'm thinking that Jerry West is taking a good, long look at these playoffs, and Toronto may be his only choice. There are rumblings that JW's new target is Durant. I wouldn't have thought either of those things until watching him drag his leg up and down the court this series. Hell, the Lakers might not even want him any more after watching.

[apalisoc_9]

:lmao At this logic. I didn't know you were a Curry/Warriors fanboy.

Championship experience? I wouldn't worry about that. It could be another 20, 30, 40 or more years before this franchise even has a roadmap to that. They gave theirs away because they didn't have the balls to drag out an uncomfortable situation.

I don't understand how any Spurs fan could want the Raptors in the Finals or him to re-sign. He shouldn't be rewarded for doing what he did and the all-time bad trade only becomes worse if they secure him for his prime years.

Unfortunately, I think you're going to get your wish though. Virtually everything they probably needed to break right, has.







:tu

Timvp has inside info that the spurs is just much to blame. If thats the case, there is reason for kawhi to do what he did

[TD 21]

Timvp has inside info that the spurs is just much to blame. If thats the case, there is reason for kawhi to do what he did




There's nothing anyone can say that can excuse his behavior. Even if it was mostly or even all on the Spurs, requesting a trade is one thing, doing all the things he pulled is another. You just don't do that to your teammates or an employer paying him what they were.


And :lmao at Bucks in 5.

[acoelho1]

At least he cant blame the Spurs for this injury...oh wait, he doesn’t speak for himself but has his minions in the media do it for him. Also, people are acting like the Raptors will win the series which I put at a very low probability. The Bucks are a better team.

[Twisted_Dawg]

I've been rooting for the Warriors since the Spurs got eliminated, tbh. I don't want any other team gaining championship experience.

Raptors going to the Finals would be a good thing, IMO. It has to increase the chances Nephew stays in Canada. I'd rather that than him sign with the Clippers.

I too hope he stays in Canada, never rings and never makes it to the Finals. Finishes his career in Canada on a team annually flaming out in the playoffs, and tortured each year by brutal polar vortexes.

[slick'81]

I think the bucks are gonna bukkake the fck outta kawhi&co in game5

[SpursforSix]

There was ish floated that The Group said he was going to sit out, again. I don't categorize a trade under those circumstances as a panic move.

Idk. “Panic” probably implies more than it was. But it was a necessary move. Not a lot of options after the way the Leonard camp handled it. At the time, there was so much uncertainty about Leonard, that him sitting out the season or much of it, was a legitimate concern. And again, it would have been the most distracting season ever for the Spurs.

Regardless, it’s over. I’m rooting for Durant to be back for the finals and lose to the Bucks.

[SpursforSix]

And I’ll add...”fucking Zaza”.

[JuneJive]

I'm thinking that Jerry West is taking a good, long look at these playoffs, and Toronto may be his only choice. There are rumblings that JW's new target is Durant.


Sounds about right given that it's West at the helm.

Still think he would like to play with Kyrie. Can the Clippers make that work should they decide to pair up in L. A.?

[offset formation]

Yep. Worst "Lesser Evil" conundrum since Hitler or Stalin.

:rollin

Sad but true.

[BillMc]

:rollin

Sad but true.
:bobo

[BillMc]

Kawhi is being offered free food for life, a free penthouse apartment for the next contract...

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/real-estate-investor-offers-kawhi-leonard-free-penthouse-to-stay-with-raptors-191610865.html

What's next? Free visits to the Toronto brothels?

[SpursBig3s]

Really? Admire that he’s actually playing for the franchise that’s paying him? Gutting it out? When your paid millions every year you better be gutting it out.

but I forgot that with kawhi it’s a special case. He doesn’t always have to play for the team that’s paying him. Only if he’s happy or willing to. Otherwise he just won’t show up. So yeah I guess it takes extra effort on his part to do what he’s doing.

but the first part of your post is spot on!


this x1000. the media chooses to ignore the fact that instead of “gutting it out” he quit on his teammates and his from an organization for the better part of a year. He’s a faggot

[RD2191]

this x1000. the media chooses to ignore the fact that instead of “gutting it out” he quit on his teammates and his from an organization for the better part of a year. He’s a faggot

And the Spurs quit on Kawhi when they re-signed bums like Mills and Gasol.

[Jonnyblue19]

I think another reason the front office traded this past summer was, they didn't like the media circus around it and wanted to start a clean slate. Also, didn't Kiwi say he didn't want to play any longer even if he was healthy?

Not that it was a smart choice, they should have done with the Pelicans are doing with Davis taking their time and getting the best offer instead of caving in. But you can tell Pop didn't want to keep answering questions and wanted to move on.

[duncan2k5]

Nah. TOR needed two OTs, Freak fouling out, and a parade to the FT line for Kawhi to eke out one win. Milwaukee wins game 4, and takes it at home in game 5.

U were saying?

[loveforthegame]

Kawhi is being offered free food for life, a free penthouse apartment for the next contract...

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/real-estate-investor-offers-kawhi-leonard-free-penthouse-to-stay-with-raptors-191610865.html

What's next? Free visits to the Toronto brothels?

Beats the SA zoo imo.

[RC_Drunkford]

RJ doing us a solid, skip to 2:30


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vetj_plCxnY

[duncan2k5]

Not 1 on 1 though, Raptors triple team Giannis with that zone defense
So when presented with facts, u move the goal post... by ur logic no star player gets guarded 1 on 1, so then no one ever really gets shut down by anyone else... So then it doesn't matter who is put on who... Why even consider someone's defense?

[RC_Drunkford]

So when presented with facts, u move the goal post... by ur logic no star player gets guarded 1 on 1, so then no one ever really gets shut down by anyone else... So then it doesn't matter who is put on who... Why even consider someone's defense?

shut the fuck up you're the biggest faggot on spurstalk. Go to the Raptors forum. Nobody here agrees with your takes. He guarded Giannis in the last game, but I didn't see that in game 3

[Keepin' it real]

Never forget:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q1B6shCq-k

[duncan2k5]

Just when you think he couldn't be a bigger asshole, he does this shit. He's a real piece of shit.

But then if he sat out u would bash him for it... He literally can't win

[duncan2k5]

Because he was lying about an injury to force a trade out of SA.

Clearly he wasn't lying

[timvp]

RJ doing us a solid, skip to 2:30


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vetj_plCxnY

Good find.

As it's playing out, the Spurs doctors have to feel vindicated.

They were telling Nephew to go ahead and play on it. They said there will be pain but it's not something that will get better with rest -- that it will be something he'll have to learn to deal with.

They appear to be exactly right, tbh. Rest didn't help ... not even a full year off and load management for another season. It also doesn't appear to be slowing him down too much. It probably is painful but, I mean, he still has his explosion. It could come down to his pain tolerance. If he can't ignore the pain, it could be career-altering.

[duncan2k5]

Dude is faking just to fix his image from last year so people can be like "omg he was injured!"

Total bs

This makes no sense... It STILL ruins his money in free agency if he is faking this... U can't be this dumb

[RC_Drunkford]

Good find.

As it's playing out, the Spurs doctors have to feel vindicated.

They were telling Nephew to go ahead and play on it. They said there will be pain but it's not something that will get better with rest -- that it will be something he'll have to learn to deal with.

They appear to be exactly right, tbh. Rest didn't help ... not even a full year off and load management for another season. It also doesn't appear to be slowing him down too much. It probably is painful but, I mean, he still has his explosion. It could come down to his pain tolerance. If he can't ignore the pain, it could be career-altering.

that's what I'm saying. So where exactly did they misdiagnose him? I assume Kawhi's camp thought it wasn't chronic, but it definitely is if you look at the last game

[duncan2k5]

Really? Admire that he’s actually playing for the franchise that’s paying him? Gutting it out? When your paid millions every year you better be gutting it out.

but I forgot that with kawhi it’s a special case. He doesn’t always have to play for the team that’s paying him. Only if he’s happy or willing to. Otherwise he just won’t show up. So yeah I guess it takes extra effort on his part to do what he’s doing.

but the first part of your post is spot on!

Ur salty because him gutting it out goes against ur narrative that he fakes injuries and doesn't care for the raps... That he sat out all thighs every games proving that he won't put his body on the line for them

[BillMc]

RJ doing us a solid, skip to 2:30


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vetj_plCxnY

Makes me want to forgive RJ for his lousy play here.

Almost.

[duncan2k5]

the only difference now is he's playing through pain which is what the Spurs been advocating for, but he didn't want to do it. If this is legit it might really hinder him career wise which would be great karma

All pain isn't equal... He played through a sprained ankle VS the warriors until Zaza made it impossible to play on... His quad pain with us could have been worse than what he is feeling now... In the 9 games with us ppl were on here saying he doesn't look healed...

[duncan2k5]

He has to, this summer is his big payday. Once he gets paid he can go back to resting or even if he retires his contract might be guaranteed still. Insurance would probably pay the rest of it, but he would set up forever.

Unless he ruptures something and can't play he won't get the max. But since he can play through the pain he will.

But weren't u guys saying he was sitting out games this year to gain that big contract? Lmfao... U can't have it both ways... When he sits, u say its to save himself for the contract... When he plays through pain, u say its to prove himself for the big contract... Kawhi would get a max contract offer if he literally had one leg

[duncan2k5]

this x1000. the media chooses to ignore the fact that instead of “gutting it out” he quit on his teammates and his from an organization for the better part of a year. He’s a faggot

He was injured

[duncan2k5]

shut the fuck up you're the biggest faggot on spurstalk. Go to the Raptors forum. Nobody here agrees with your takes. He guarded Giannis in the last game, but I didn't see that in game 3

He literally guarded him for 41 possessions... That's the vast majority of the time Giannis was in the game... He guarded him more in game 3 than game 4

[RC_Drunkford]

question is if the injury is chronic and the Spurs told him and his team that, did his team think they tried to lowball them on the contract extension and just thought fuck it, let's sit out, get out of here and secure the max somewhere else? I mean you'd think twice to offer somebody a supermax when he has a chronic injury

[RC_Drunkford]

All pain isn't equal... He played through a sprained ankle VS the warriors until Zaza made it impossible to play on... His quad pain with us could have been worse than what he is feeling now... In the 9 games with us ppl were on here saying he doesn't look healed...

the injury is chronic. If he doesn't want to play with a chronic injury he should quit his career and do something else. It's not getting better or healing up anytime soon. I know that's hard for your brain to process, but Kawhi's tendon is kinda like your brain. It won't get smarter, ever

[SpursDynasty85]

that's what I'm saying. So where exactly did they misdiagnose him? I assume Kawhi's camp thought it wasn't chronic, but it definitely is if you look at the last game

The story Mochael Wroght wrote that it was a game in January of 2017 when Kawhi got what they felt was a severe thigh contussion but it received the nornal treatment and he was basocally back after a week. From then on ut appare tly got progressively bad. Imo, that might be slmewhat true but mainly something in his mind and body deteriorated whe he went to his china trio and tries to trai. For the 17/18 season. Camp shut him down behind closed doors and left Spyrs camp in the loop.

[FkLA]

The story Mochael Wroght wrote that it was a game in January of 2017 when Kawhi got what they felt was a severe thigh contussion but it received the nornal treatment and he was basocally back after a week. From then on ut appare tly got progressively bad. Imo, that might be slmewhat true but mainly something in his mind and body deteriorated whe he went to his china trio and tries to trai. For the 17/18 season. Camp shut him down behind closed doors and left Spyrs camp in the loop.

Are yuo drunk by an y chacne?

[exstatic]

Beats the SA zoo imo.

Not in January and February...

[gilmor2002]

Good find.

As it's playing out, the Spurs doctors have to feel vindicated.

They were telling Nephew to go ahead and play on it. They said there will be pain but it's not something that will get better with rest -- that it will be something he'll have to learn to deal with.

They appear to be exactly right, tbh. Rest didn't help ... not even a full year off and load management for another season. It also doesn't appear to be slowing him down too much. It probably is painful but, I mean, he still has his explosion. It could come down to his pain tolerance. If he can't ignore the pain, it could be career-altering.

It was exactly like Spurs 2 years ago.. if he can't play, Spurs goes home.. and they did.

Pop shut him down because it's clear he can't continue.

[Uriel]

Brian Windhorst reported that the Spurs DID offer KL the Supermax at the end, but he turned it down. Consider the source, but it was in an ESPN article. I posted it at the time, but am too lazy to go back and look.
I went through your past threads and old posts and couldn't find it. Tried Googling it and couldn't find it either.

[SpursBig3s]

And the Spurs quit on Kawhi when they re-signed bums like Mills and Gasol.

we offered him the supermax. So no, we didn’t. Nice try tho

[Uriel]

I think that RJ interview has given us a pretty clear picture of what happened. Kawhi was diagnosed with a chronic injury. Spurs doctors cleared him to play and said it would be all about his pain tolerance. Leonard didn't want to risk losing out on a supermax contract by playing through a painful injury and insisted on resting. That created tension on both sides.

Then, at the end of the season, when the Spurs made it clear that Kawhi needed to prove he was healthy and loyal to the franchise before offering him the supermax, Kawhi's camp exploded and demanded a trade, and things spiraled out of control from there.

[313]

Didn’t Kawhi have a tendonitis injury early in his career, like 2012...2013?

[BillMc]

I went through your past threads and old posts and couldn't find it. Tried Googling it and couldn't find it either.

It's in this very thread post 3908

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=273340&p=9734332&viewfull=1#post9734332


According to Windhorst Spurs did offer SuperMax to Kawhi:


Leonard turned down a supermax extension with the San Antonio Spurs (http://global.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs) last summer, though it was offered after his trade request, when he'd already made up his mind.


http://global.espn.com/nba/story/_/i...agent-strategy (http://global.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26237579/nba-superstars-new-free-agent-strategy)

[duncan2k5]

the injury is chronic. If he doesn't want to play with a chronic injury he should quit his career and do something else. It's not getting better or healing up anytime soon. I know that's hard for your brain to process, but Kawhi's tendon is kinda like your brain. It won't get smarter, ever

U ppl clearly never played sports... Chronic or not, there are times when things hurt more than other times

[duncan2k5]

It's in this very thread post 3908

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=273340&p=9734332&viewfull=1#post9734332

But we knew this... Things were good until they snubbed him the supermax... Even ESPN (who were pushing for him to join lebron) were conceding that he would resign with the Spurs... And the arrogance of the FO decided to snub a generational player (while overpaying trash ass players that same year and the year before)

[Uriel]

It's in this very thread post 3908

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=273340&p=9734332&viewfull=1#post9734332
Damn. So that's where the front office went wrong. They didn't offer the supermax until Kawhi had already made up his mind and it was too late.

If they had entered the summer seeking to reconcile and offered the supermax as proof of their commitment to Leonard, they might have been able to salvage the relationship. But because of their arrogance and hardheadedness, they made it clear to Kawhi that he would have to earn the supermax first, and that was the last straw for him.

[Immortal Spur]

They did that to Parker and Ginobili... the whole earn it thing. They never did that or would have dared thought of doing that to Duncan. If that is true, pride cost us Kawhi.

[JeffDuncan]

The Spurs could not have offered Leonard a supermax deal until July 16, 2018. There are rules about it, including when an offer can be made. (The significance of the July 16 date is that Leonard signed his last contract with the Spurs on July 16, 2015, and certain possibilities are annualized.)

Leonard was traded on July 18, 2018. It should be obvious, in order to achieve that trade, serious talks on it must have been underway before July 16. There's no chance the lawyers can get all that contract crap reviewed and expressed - for four players and a draft pick and a cash transfer - in only 24 hours. Lawyers get paid by the hour, btw.

Did the Spurs offer Leonard the supermax?

No.

During that very brief window of opportunity when the Spurs might have made the offer, on the 16th and 17th, the Spurs, and the Raptors, already had their lawyers hard at work on the trade. They must have.

The Spurs had already decided a supermax offer was pointless. He was leaving.

[RC_Drunkford]

this is still full of question marks.

1. Apparently Kawhi has tendonitis since college as far as I remember

2. If he had a thigh bruise in 2017 and the Spurs doctors treated it wrong, is that why he thinks the tendonitis got worse?

3. There didn't seem to be an issue at the start of the 2017/18 season as you can see by Kawhi's interview on media day

4. Kawhi's camp was in control of the injury since before the China trip

5. Rumors of him wanting to be in LA came out in the 2017 offseason

6. Windhorst reported Spurs offered the supermax. At that Point he was already hiding from the Spurs and it took Pop forever to meet with him

[JeffDuncan]

...

6. Windhorst reported Spurs offered the supermax. At that Point he was already hiding from the Spurs and it took Pop forever to meet with him

Windhorst didn't actually "report" that. He just wrote it. His remark isn't sourced. Calling that statement by Windhorst "reporting" is like calling what dabom posts on Spurstalk "reporting." It's just something Windhorst wrote, unless he can come up with a source (which he can't.)

The only time the Spurs could actually have offered Leonard the supermax was the 16th and 17th, and I suppose the early part of the 18th, up to the time the trade was finalized and announced. Oh, they could have shot the breeze on the subject at any time, but hot air is not an "offer." A signature on a legal document is an offer.

[JuneJive]

Shit. Can't wait for the truth to come out.

What i don't understand is why the wait.

[kobyz]

I think that RJ interview has given us a pretty clear picture of what happened. Kawhi was diagnosed with a chronic injury. Spurs doctors cleared him to play and said it would be all about his pain tolerance. Leonard didn't want to risk losing out on a supermax contract by playing through a painful injury and insisted on resting. That created tension on both sides.

Then, at the end of the season, when the Spurs made it clear that Kawhi needed to prove he was healthy and loyal to the franchise before offering him the supermax, Kawhi's camp exploded and demanded a trade, and things spiraled out of control from there.

So it's on the Spurs, they should have been loyal and offer the supermax

[99 Problems]

All was going splendidly at the time of the China trip. Reports of him working out, Kobe was mentioned etc getting ready to beast the league in 18 and strode over anyone in his way, then the trip and darkness descended and it was like we were all stuck in Mordor not knowing why.

[Twisted_Dawg]

The only time the Spurs could actually have offered Leonard the supermax was the 16th and 17th, and I suppose the early part of the 18th, up to the time the trade was finalized and announced. Oh, they could have shot the breeze on the subject at any time, but hot air is not an "offer." A signature on a legal document is an offer.

Is it possible that a player (Leonard) couldn't SIGN an extension until the 16th, but the player's team could negotiate and offer the contract BEFORE the 16th?
I'm not that knowledgeable about all of the nuances of the CBA.

It sure seems possible the Spurs initially took a firm stance and didn't offer the supermax and telling Leonard needed to prove his loyalty and health. When that blew up in their (Pop and RC) faces, the Spurs then offered the supermax in the 11th hour.

[ZeusWillJudge]

All of these conspiracy theories about the bad Spurs management break down when you look at facts:

1. Kawhi made it clear that there were only a few teams he would play for. He wasn't just trying to get away from the Spurs, he was trying to get to specific cities.

2. Only four players had signed a supermax contract. (Not many are eligible.) Curry, Harden, Westbrook, and Wall. Wall's is considered the worst contract in the whole league - because of chronic injury. A first grader could understand why the Spurs would want to look before possibly making the new worst contract in the whole league. It's debatable whether Kawhi is as smart as a first grader.

3. If a team is willing to invest over $200 Million in you, you can't claim that they aren't "committed" to you. These guys soak up 35% of the salary cap, and then want to bitch that their teams can't surround them with more high-priced talent. And they demand that the team go deep, deep into the lux tax before they'll say whether they will even accept a super-max extension.

Most of these guys (Paul George leaps to mind) claim, "I didn't care about the money, I just wanted to win." So here's the solution: any player who gets offered a super-max deal from his team, and leaves anyway, can only get paid the 10-year vet minimum by his next team. Let's see how many of them say they don't care about money then.


Oh, and... Fuck Kawhi.

[UZER]

I think Kawhi was already out the door. The supermax was just another thing.

I think something happened behind the scenes that changed everything. Not sure if it was something someone in the organization said about him, or his uncle, or what. But at some point, it seemed to turn personal. You don’t pull the stunts he pulled towards the end unless things have just turned so sour that you can’t even stand to be in the presence of someone anymore.

[apalisoc_9]

The Spurs could not have offered Leonard a supermax deal until July 16, 2018. There are rules about it, including when an offer can be made. (The significance of the July 16 date is that Leonard signed his last contract with the Spurs on July 16, 2015, and certain possibilities are annualized.)

Leonard was traded on July 18, 2018. It should be obvious, in order to achieve that trade, serious talks on it must have been underway before July 16. There's no chance the lawyers can get all that contract crap reviewed and expressed - for four players and a draft pick and a cash transfer - in only 24 hours. Lawyers get paid by the hour, btw.

Did the Spurs offer Leonard the supermax?

No.

During that very brief window of opportunity when the Spurs might have made the offer, on the 16th and 17th, the Spurs, and the Raptors, already had their lawyers hard at work on the trade. They must have.

The Spurs had already decided a supermax offer was pointless. He was leaving.



Iirc you can make verbal agreements.

[diego]

Why should the spurs have given the super max to the superstar with the least mileage out of all the NBA, who still needs load management, still can't complete a title run, and doesn't even have the language skills to communicate his intentions adequately?

I hope he stays in Toronto forever, let it be his personal Siberia. And it's a riot to read his fanboys prop up the raptors so they can shit on the spurs through one side of their mouths then blame Lowry, gasol green nurse etc for not carrying the cripple all the way from the other..

[exstatic]

It was exactly like Spurs 2 years ago.. if he can't play, Spurs goes home.. and they did.

Pop shut him down because it's clear he can't continue.

He was medically cleared for games 3,4,5.

[exstatic]

Damn. So that's where the front office went wrong. They didn't offer the supermax until Kawhi had already made up his mind and it was too late.

If they had entered the summer seeking to reconcile and offered the supermax as proof of their commitment to Leonard, they might have been able to salvage the relationship. But because of their arrogance and hardheadedness, they made it clear to Kawhi that he would have to earn the supermax first, and that was the last straw for him.

I'm kinda looking at him dragging his leg up and down the court and thinking they did the right thing. You really can't pay $40M/yr to a 60 game player who will lug out when forced to play a bunch of consecutive, non B2B playoff games.

[exstatic]

Windhorst didn't actually "report" that. He just wrote it. His remark isn't sourced. Calling that statement by Windhorst "reporting" is like calling what dabom posts on Spurstalk "reporting." It's just something Windhorst wrote, unless he can come up with a source (which he can't.)

The only time the Spurs could actually have offered Leonard the supermax was the 16th and 17th, and I suppose the early part of the 18th, up to the time the trade was finalized and announced. Oh, they could have shot the breeze on the subject at any time, but hot air is not an "offer." A signature on a legal document is an offer.

They can offer it to him any time, and discuss it at leisure. They couldn't officially SIGN anything until July 16th. Don't be so obtuse.

[Twisted_Dawg]

After seeing KL limp around in the last couple of games, I wonder if that explains all the rumors that broke yesterday about the Clippers focusing on Durant? Jerry West is the smartest GM and certainly has to be concerned with handing out a huge contract to a chronically injured player.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Iirc you can make verbal agreements.


Unless they've changed things, that is correct. You can't tamper with your own player.

If any other team was even expressing interest before that, including responding to his agent or anyone else about Kawhi's interest in them, it would be tampering.

[JeffDuncan]

Shit. Can't wait for the truth to come out.

What i don't understand is why the wait.

It appears the Spurs didn't know the situation was hopeless until Coach Pop visited Leonard in San Diego on June 17th, and came back empty handed. That was just one month before the trade was announced.

[JeffDuncan]

They can offer it to him any time, and discuss it at leisure. They couldn't officially SIGN anything until July 16th. Don't be so obtuse.

It is not an offer until there is a signature on a legal document (and a blank line for the signature of the second party.)

If you think just shooting the breeze over a cup of coffee is an offer, you are a dimwit.

[JeffDuncan]

Iirc you can make verbal agreements.

Which are worth the paper they're printed on.

[ZeusWillJudge]

It is not an offer until there is a signature on a legal document (and a blank line for the signature of the second party.)

If you think just shooting the breeze over a cup of coffee is an offer, you are a dimwit.


Which are worth the paper they're printed on.


You're splitting hairs. If PATFO says, "We're going to give you the super-max", it's as good as done. Besides, what would they gain by verbally offering him the super-max, if they didn't intend to give it to him? You'd have to stretch your imagination to find some kooky example of how that would benefit them. "Yeah, look... I know we said super-max a few weeks ago. But would you consider what we have behind Curtain Number Two? We could throw in a couple of bottles of Dom, if that would help."

[JeffDuncan]

You're splitting hairs. ...

Nope, that would be you, as you wander off into a fantasyland of make-believe conversations.

An offer is a signature on a legal document. In the context of what we're talking about, that is what the word means. With a space where you could then sign if you accept the offer.

You speak of PATFO making the offer, but in fact they cannot. The Spurs ownership would make the offer. Coach Pop, himself, would sure as hell never offer to pay a player $200 million out of his own pocket. Neither would R.C. Let's keep in mind who's who here. PATFO are salaried employees, the same as Leonard was. That is not a trivial point when we're talking about somebody becoming liable for the payment of 1/5 of a billion dollars.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I’d take a 80% Kawhi for the Supermax than 90% of the players I. The league

Spurs goofed up

[exstatic]

After seeing KL limp around in the last couple of games, I wonder if that explains all the rumors that broke yesterday about the Clippers focusing on Durant? Jerry West is the smartest GM and certainly has to be concerned with handing out a huge contract to a chronically injured player.

I was thinking the exact same thing. I read those same rumors. If Jerry's really backing off, then PATFO made the right decision.

[Harry Callahan]

I was thinking the exact same thing. I read those same rumors. If Jerry's really backing off, then PATFO made the right decision.

The Spurs really don't need affirmation from Jerry West - it would be a tough decision to commit $200MM to a player with obvious physical issues/limitations.

Someone will pay a lot of money for KL and stay awake a night wondering when the asset inevitably breaks down.

Don't forget that the Spurs had Nephew on EXTREME load management in December 17 and Jan 18 and he still managed to come up with a shoulder injury resulting in a three game sit down during his nine game season. Has he ever missed less than ten RS games in a season?

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a33_N-Ljd-E

[Spurs fever]

Windhorst didn't actually "report" that. He just wrote it. His remark isn't sourced. Calling that statement by Windhorst "reporting" is like calling what dabom posts on Spurstalk "reporting." It's just something Windhorst wrote, unless he can come up with a source (which he can't.)

The only time the Spurs could actually have offered Leonard the supermax was the 16th and 17th, and I suppose the early part of the 18th, up to the time the trade was finalized and announced. Oh, they could have shot the breeze on the subject at any time, but hot air is not an "offer." A signature on a legal document is an offer.

Didn't Pop say in an interview after the trade Kawhi doesn't care about money? I think it was his response to a question regarding the super max.

[Twisted_Dawg]

The Spurs really don't need affirmation from Jerry West - it would be a tough decision to commit $200MM to a player with obvious physical issues/limitations.

Someone will pay a lot of money for KL and stay awake a night wondering when the asset inevitably breaks down.

Don't forget that the Spurs had Nephew on EXTREME load management in December 17 and Jan 18 and he still managed to come up with a shoulder injury resulting in a three game sit down during his nine game season. Has he ever missed less than ten RS games in a season?

Some thread way back listed all of his numerous injuries and games missed since he was a rookie. The weird eye infection took the cake.

[Fusternino]

Jerry West no longer wants Kawhi? Source?

[Johojowhite]

https://twitter.com/Raptors/status/1131585344372191232?s=20

Kawhi looking good for game 5. Joking around with Ibaka.

[exstatic]

Didn't Pop say in an interview after the trade Kawhi doesn't care about money? I think it was his response to a question regarding the super max.

He may not, but the people actually calling the shots, The Group, sure as fuck do.

[SpurPadre]

Some thread way back listed all of his numerous injuries and games missed since he was a rookie. The weird eye infection took the cake.

More like yeast infection, tbh.

[SpurPadre]

https://twitter.com/Raptors/status/1131585344372191232?s=20

Kawhi looking good for game 5. Joking around with Ibaka.

Load Management: Remember when Corey Joseph dunked on your ass?

Ibaka: Yeah, remember when Matt Barnes made you his bitch? STFU, gimp.

[RC_Drunkford]

https://twitter.com/WolstatSun/status/1131239097039761408

[exstatic]

https://twitter.com/WolstatSun/status/1131239097039761408

The injury "wasn't" serious, it IS serious, and chronic.

[apalisoc_9]

No spur made the All-NBA team. :lol

[RD2191]

No spur made the All-NBA team. :lol

Team full of scrubs tbh

[timvp]

One possibility is Nephew's injury isn't that serious and he just has a low pain threshold. Looking back on his ankle rolls (stepping on David Lee's foot and even the Zaza incident) that were relatively minor yet forced him to sit out playoff games, it's possible he's just not good at playing through even minor discomfort.

[apalisoc_9]

Biggest robberie is kyrie. He was a negative the whole year and somehow made the team.

Even Derozan had a better year than Kyrie. So did Lowry.

[RC_Drunkford]

No spur made the All-NBA Team

22 year streak coming to an end


One possibility is Nephew's injury isn't that serious and he just has a low pain threshold. Looking back on his ankle rolls (stepping on David Lee's foot and even the Zaza incident) that were relatively minor yet forced him to sit out playoff games, it's possible he's just not good at playing through even minor discomfort.

not games, an entire series. He was always like that, any minor pain and he usually doesn't want to play, that's why I'm a little surprised he goes that hard for the Raptors. Might just be cause he's looking for that contract

[timvp]

that's why I'm a little surprised he goes that hard for the Raptors

But maybe it's just minor discomfort that every player plays through and he's just being dramatic.

[Twisted_Dawg]

The injury "wasn't" serious, it IS serious, and chronic.

For you medical people, is a degenerative condition classified as an injury?

[bdictjames]

For you medical people, is a degenerative condition classified as an injury?
Yes.

An injury is when something healthy isn't healthy anymore. Degenerative = downhill slope. Kawhi has been balling out, I wish him the best of luck, but all these dunks and high minutes are only gonna put a hamper in his career, unless he finds some German cryogenic therapy or something.

[Twisted_Dawg]

Dup

[RD2191]

But maybe it's just minor discomfort that every player plays through and he's just being dramatic.

Kawhi? Dramatic?

[slick'81]

Everyone acting like kawhi is done�� We dont even know what his injury is right now

[TD 21]

:lmao At the Spurs. With this Durant news today, Scumbag could conceivably win the championship (I have a bad feeling about tonight's game). Well done.


No spur made the All-NBA team. :lol

:lmao At the Raptors greatest success only occurring because the Spurs allowed it to.

[MichaelBayismyUncle]

:lmao At the Spurs. With this Durant news today, Scumbag could conceivably win the championship (I have a bad feeling about tonight's game). Well done.



:lmao At the Raptors greatest success only occurring because the Spurs allowed it to.
Demar made second team before.

[apalisoc_9]

Aldridge should have made third team over Lebron.

Durant over PG for first team

[exstatic]

Everyone acting like kawhi is done�� We dont even know what his injury is right now

Dude, it was almost two years ago, and he's still dragging a leg after dunks, and yes, we do know what it it: degenerative tendonitis. It will always hurt, and the Spurs told him that. His career will depend on how much of a pussy he is.

[RD2191]

Dude, it was almost two years ago, and he's still dragging a leg after dunks, and yes, we do know what it it: degenerative tendonitis. It will always hurt, and the Spurs told him that. His career will depend on how much of a pussy he is.

Seems to be doing ok?

[exstatic]

Seems to be doing ok?

Uh, OK, if that means limping up and down the court after any dunk. These playoffs are the first time he's played a lot of consecutive games since 2017, and it's not a good look.

[SpursDynasty85]

Are yuo drunk by an y chacne?

No. But I will admit that posts are very sloppy since I type on a phone and sometimes do not look over what I wrote but everything I was trying to said was taken from Michael Wroght and Ramonda Shelburnes piece on ESPN. Tgey targetted a specific game, maybe against the Wizards, in January of his last suited up year with the Spurs and that contusion needed more rest and caused the deterioiration in Kawhi. Spurs relaxed and gave Kawhi and his camp space to rehab until finally on that Jordan China tour Spurs lost all communication with the Kawhi camp. There has been rumors that this thing has been around since his college playing days but there is no doubt Lawhi looked different after that Golden State series moreso than anything else I can remember.

[dbreiden83080]

If he is limping around again tonight, good luck to anyone signing him long term..

Lots of luck..

[Mugen]

Even though he's limited this series, it doesn't really matter when he can just hang back and sit on Giannis' drives.

Obviously not much Bud can do if Hill, Brogdon, and Bledsoe are terrible like in last game but the lack of creativity in getting good looks for Giannis is laughable tbh.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

I think Kawhi was already out the door. The supermax was just another thing.

I think something happened behind the scenes that changed everything. Not sure if it was something someone in the organization said about him, or his uncle, or what. But at some point, it seemed to turn personal. You don’t pull the stunts he pulled towards the end unless things have just turned so sour that you can’t even stand to be in the presence of someone anymore.

I think you might be correct. Especially how nobody really wants to speak on the situation after the fact. If it was just about the contract people like Michael C. Wright wouldn’t be so elusive with his reporting.

[99 Problems]

Should have stuck with the reps that got him the no fuss 80 mil last contract. Giannis is going to sign a 247 mills. That’s baseball money. I need a bigger screen calculator to admire the numbers tbh...

[Beartrucci]

Should have stuck with the reps that got him the no fuss 80 mil last contract. Giannis is going to sign a 247 mills. That’s baseball money. I need a bigger screen calculator to admire the numbers tbh...

And when he gets out of that contract he'll only be 30 :lol

[Genovaswitness]

spurstalk is actually cheering for the next Jordan to have a career threatening injury :laugh

Blame PATFO for running him out of town by surrounding him with garbage. blame HEB for making him a clown idiot

[TheGreatYacht]

Kawhi playing with a bunch of fucking scrubs smh. Especially that 31yr old with a Mohawk

[TheGreatYacht]

If he is limping around again tonight, good luck to anyone signing him long term..

Lots of luck..
The only team that needs luck is the team that has to pay DePression and Mills :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Lol Marc Gasol. Raptors should've known the fucker was done when PATFO showed interest in him :lmao

[RD2191]

Kawhi playing with a bunch of fucking scrubs smh. Especially that 31yr old with a Mohawk

:lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

Only down 10 despite Danny G-League playing almost the entire quarter. Raps will take it.

[RC_Drunkford]

Gotta hope Kawhi signs with Brooklyn. That would be best case scenario

[timvp]

Nephew looks like he's about to accidentally back his way into a championship :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol














:smchode:

[RD2191]

Looks like the bucks got this in control.

[slick'81]

Nephew looks like he's about to accidentally back his way into a championship :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol














:smchode:


Bucks winning this bruh

[loveforthegame]

Green has been hot garbage. Ugly. You know it’s bad when a Nurse has to go with FVV.

Gasol left his shot in Toronto.

Siakim has a lot of growing to do.

[Big Empty]

How about George Hill? Playing solid this series

[Budkin]

Either of these teams will lose in 5 to the Warriors.

[RD2191]

Buckrefs :lol

[RD2191]

Garbage fucking call

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Kawhi is beyond unreal my god

[FkLA]

Nephew :wow

[gambit1990]

kawhi with back to back threes. 5 for 7 from the arc so far.

[loveforthegame]

Leonard willing the team to join him for the win. Will they though?

[timvp]

Congrats on that second ring, Neph, tbh :depressed

[slick'81]

God damn kawhi is a monster

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

It feels like the Bucks are gonna lose this game and the series.

[Budkin]

The Bucks are not that good.

[r0drig0lac]

best player in the world

[Slippy]

Kawhi taking over in the 4th. Raps got this. He still gimpy but looks better this game. Not testing that leg as much by trying to dunk.

We went from Kawhi to Demar. This trade hurts the spurs and fans in so many ways.

[RD2191]

Still alot of game left. Kawhi needs a little help.

[gambit1990]

i had the raps winning it all before the season started. all depends on kawhi's health...

[slick'81]

Yeah kawhi dealing with that pain extremely well :lmao

[Budkin]

Backdoor sweep incoming

[Spurs fever]

Dark times for us. This is tough to watch. I forgot how it felt having a superstar on our team. If we still had him..... *cries* lol

[Budkin]

Kawhi taking over in the 4th. Raps got this. He still gimpy but looks better this game. Not testing that leg as much by trying to dunk.

We went from Kawhi to Demar. This trade hurts the spurs and fans in so many ways.

Can’t do shit about it when he wants to leave.

[RD2191]

Here comes the choke. SA Raptors

[slick'81]

Forever the team that traded kawhi away for defrozen and poodle

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Bucks offense is really bad. Giannis really has to keep working on his shooting. Their offense is so damn stagnant which is crazy considering the coach. Also have to give credit to Toronto’s defense

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

hopefully Kawhi stays in Toronto. The last thing we need is to get our ass kicked every year in the playoffs by this guy. Smh

[slick'81]

GobucksGO

[ShutUp SayItAgain!]

Clearly he wasn't lying

Yeah he was/is. You can't be this dumb

[Slippy]

Can’t do shit about it when he wants to leave.

Last game i was complaining he playing through injury is sign he looking at raps longterm . By he demanding LA only he screwed the spurs bargaining power. Today im watching him close the deal and thinking that lack of bargain got us Demar. So point remains. This trade will continue to haunt the spurs.

[slick'81]

Last game i was complaining he playing through injury is sign he looking at raps longterm . By he demanding LA only he screwed the spurs bargaining power. Today im watching him close the deal and thinking that lack of bargain got us Demar. So point remains. This trade will continue to haunt the spurs.


Set us back atleast 5 years or so

[NASpurs]

Retarded foul by Giannis.

[Degoat]

Man bucks blow

[Budkin]

Last game i was complaining he playing through injury is sign he looking at raps longterm . By he demanding LA only he screwed the spurs bargaining power. Today im watching him close the deal and thinking that lack of bargain got us Demar. So point remains. This trade will continue to haunt the spurs.

Of course it will. We all knew how good he was becoming.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

The Bucks are choking like crazy. Lmao. The sad thing is they paid Bledsoe but he is a liability on offense because he can’t shoot from 3 and his free throw shooting is shaky.

Giannis just needs to get better with his shooting and he is going to be even nastier but his lack of shooting really hurt the Bucks this series.

[slick'81]

Brogdon suucks

[Leetonidas]

Giannis getting pulled in the 4th quarter of a close game :lol

If this guy is supposed to be such an elite defender why is he not guarding nephew down the stretch? Fraud ass MVP

[timvp]

Nephew seriously has a good shot at a ring now :lol








:smchode:

[slick'81]

Giannis getting pulled in the 4th quarter of a close game :lol

If this guy is supposed to be such an elite defender why is he not guarding nephew down the stretch? Fraud ass MVP

kawhi shitting all over giannis

[testies]

Trying to cheer for Bucks is even worse than Spurs lmao

Cant believe we got fucking defrozan from that shitty ass division of chokers. ANd RC needs to be fired right now

[KobesAchilles]

Whelp I’m here to eat crow. Congrats Kawhi for making the finals. Dude showed heart and played at a extremely high level. Who knows, maybe he does stay in Toronto. Maybe they can beat Golden St without Durant. Should be an entertaining finals.