***OFFICIAL KAWHI RELATED NEWS Thread***

[Clipper Nation]

Go ahead and buy your champagne; Kawhi is a Clipper.

Not happening. Even Chris Carter was on First Things First slobbering all over Toronto and saying they're "in the driver's seat" to sign him now. Kawhi might as well just get it over with and announce that he's re-signing right now.

The speculation was fun and all, but the Clippers will forever be the bridesmaid for big-name free agents until we win a ring - or at least make it past the second round of the playoffs for once. It wouldn't shock me if we were just being used as leverage by Kawhi's camp all along to try to scare the Lakers into making a big trade. Our front office needs to stop begging (sending scouts to watch all of Kawhi's games is cringeworthy in hindsight) and just keep building incrementally with young talent.

[DPG21920]

Not happening. Even Chris Carter was on First Things First slobbering all over Toronto and saying they're "in the driver's seat" to sign him now. Kawhi might as well just get it over with and announce that he's re-signing right now.

The speculation was fun and all, but the Clippers will forever be the bridesmaid for big-name free agents until we win a ring - or at least make it past the second round of the playoffs for once. It wouldn't shock me if we were just being used as leverage by Kawhi's camp all along to try to scare the Lakers into making a big trade. Our front office needs to stop begging (sending scouts to watch all of Kawhi's games is cringeworthy in hindsight) and just keep building incrementally with young talent.

Friend. You don’t leave SA for TOR. The plan is LA. Uncle Dennis see’s the backlash from what happened in SA. He’s playing the PR game.

[HarlemHeat37]

I still think he's a lock to go to the Clippers, but wouldn't be shocking anymore if he stayed in Toronto..seemed unthinkable before the season, but the way they've handled his load management and catered to Dennis at least gives them a real chance(along with the money)..

[Johojowhite]

Friend. You don’t leave SA for TOR. The plan is LA. Uncle Dennis see’s the backlash from what happened in SA. He’s playing the PR game.
Toronto shits on SA as a city. Idk what you’re implying.

[Clipper Nation]

Friend. You don’t leave SA for TOR. The plan is LA. Uncle Dennis see’s the backlash from what happened in SA. He’s playing the PR game.
It's just not that simple anymore. With the Raptors, he's an entire country's basketball hero. He's playing in the conference finals, which is already better than the entire history of the Clippers franchise, and he made it happen in historic fashion. If he's looking to build a brand, he has everything he needs right now in Toronto. The media was already starting to backpedal away from the Clippers narrative before Game 7. At this point, I'll believe he's leaving when I see it.

[Twisted_Dawg]

Uncle Dennis got tunnel privileges.

[R. DeMurre]

:lol So many surefire opinions on what Kawhi will do. If you have Kawhi's # and are currently texting with him, could you please PM it to me? Thanks.

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol So many surefire opinions on what Kawhi will do. If you have Kawhi's # and are currently texting with him, could you please PM it to me? Thanks.

This is true, Kawhi is probably the most difficult player to read in NBA history:lol

I think he'll be in LA due to the home factor, though..he's also commented negatively on the weather here several times..it's been the worst winter that I can recall and spring has been terrible, as well..

[dbreiden83080]

He asked for a trade after the team reached the WCFs:lol

And then what? Did he bitch out? Did he fake an injury? Did he hide from Pop and his mates? Huh?

He got over it and the last 2 years played his ass off.. Like an adult. Number 2 acted like a High Schooler..

[HarlemHeat37]

And then what? Did he bitch out? Did he fake an injury? Did he hide from Pop and his mates? Huh?

He got over it and the last 2 years played his ass off.. Like an adult. Number 2 acted like a High Schooler..

Kawhi being a quitter doesn't change that Aldridge is also one, as well:lol for a much worse reason, too..

Tim Duncan, David Robinson and Manu shielded the Spurs from the reality of dealing with superstar players and their demands..

[bic50]

Excuse me? You think whomever is on ORL (their best player) and PHI (their best player) are better than Wade and PG? That’s laughable.
76ers have plenty of talent.

[DPG21920]

I still think he's a lock to go to the Clippers, but wouldn't be shocking anymore if he stayed in Toronto..seemed unthinkable before the season, but the way they've handled his load management and catered to Dennis at least gives them a real chance(along with the money)..

Sons, if it’s a lock that means there is no real chance. It’s a PR game. He’s gone.

[DPG21920]

76ers have plenty of talent.


You didn’t answer the question. No one Kawhi has faced is as good as PG or Wade. That matters in the nba. PHI is a fine team; they aren’t anything special.

[DPG21920]

Toronto shits on SA as a city. Idk what you’re implying.

That is correct. You don’t know what I was implying.

[dbreiden83080]

Kawhi being a quitter doesn't change that Aldridge is also one, as well:lol for a much worse reason, too..

Tim Duncan, David Robinson and Manu shielded the Spurs from the reality of dealing with superstar players and their demands..

Played in 75 and 81 games the last 2 years and made the all star team each season.. Quitter? The fact that he is not a superstar player does not make him a quitter.

[KobesAchilles]

I honestly think Kawhi should sign with the Clippers. I mean it’s his home and he can be close to his family and LA is better than Toronto for sure. And that’s nice and all but I think just for basketball reasons alone he should sign with the Clips.

Lowry is falling off a cliff. Siakim is good but easy to stop. Gasol is about as done as his brother. Ibaka reverted back to Grandpa Ibaka. Toronto doesn’t look all that good going forward.

Meanwhile the Clips also got young talent, but they don’t have albatross’ for contracts and have another max spot available. They are also getting a new arena, so you know the home games will be hopping and an owner who will spend a fortune. Plus Jerry West. It’s actuakky become a great organization (can’t believe I’m saying that).

[DAF86]

Played in 75 and 81 games the last 2 years and made the all star team each season.. Quitter? The fact that he is not a superstar player does not make him a quitter.

No, the fact that he asked for a trade after winning 67 games is what makes him a quitter.

[dbreiden83080]

No, the fact that he asked for a trade after winning 67 games is what makes him a quitter.

Given the amazing support from the fans

Gee I wonder why players are asking for trades?

[DAF86]

Given the amazing support from the fans

Gee I wonder why players are asking for trades?

Spurs fans have been very supporting of him, tbh.

[dbreiden83080]

Spurs fans have been very supporting of him, tbh.

Not around here. He asked for a trade, then changed his mind and played his ass off for 2 years. What are you trashing him for? He asked for a trade..

[bic50]

Yeah, a fucking casual would appreciate anything as long he is entertained, without caring that same team went to the ECF the last season, casuals like you.
So I’m a casual because I like basketball outside of my own team? Yeah they they got swept and demar was mocked for it even here and by skip bayless who now did a complete 180 on demar after he had a spurs jersey on. I’m not going to be cultist like that

[DAF86]

Not around here.

Who cares?


He asked for a trade, then changed his mind and played his ass off for 2 years.

As long as nobody on the team is getting more touches than him.


What are you trashing him for? He asked for a trade.

Exactly that. Also, the fact tht he won't ever allows us to improve by making him the secondary offensive option that he should be on a team that has some sort of distant aspiration of contending.

[DPG21920]

I don’t see any issue with loving the nba and the Spurs. I watch a ton of non-spurs basketball. If not full games, I watch large portions of just about every team.

[Beartrucci]

So I’m a casual because I like basketball outside of my own team? Yeah they they got swept and demar was mocked for it even here and by skip bayless who now did a complete 180 on demar after he had a spurs jersey on. I’m not going to be cultist like that

If anything I find that the "casuals" as far as bball knowledge are often the fans that only watch their team and don't care about anything else basketball wise.

[r0drig0lac]

If anything I find that the "casuals" as far as bball knowledge are often the fans that only watch their team and don't care about anything else basketball wise.

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[slick'81]

Man kawhi seems content af in tor right now.would be funnny to see him bolt to la with all his good fortune in canada

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I do recall Manu showing LMA a lot of love for last season, but I can’t remember what he said exactly. Could you post the article or interview for that?

I go here after each game for media availabilities, both practice and post game interviews: https://www.nba.com/spurs/video/channel/spurs_sound

So I listened to most everything myself. I read a few, or a billion, articles of course too, but a lot of my recollections come from watching them.

Here is one a quick Google search turned up that goes to the point though:

Afterward, Ginobili talked about the lift the Spurs received just from seeing Aldridge show up.
After the season the Spurs have endured to date – in which the training room has been as crowded as a New York hotspot and "perseverance" has been a daily buzzword – Aldridge's points and rebounds meant less Thursday than his presence.

"We need him to be there, even if he feels bad," Ginobili said. "He's become so important and we depend on him so much. It's great to see him compete like that, fight through the pain and have a great game."


https://www.expressnews.com/spurs-nation/article/Aldridge-lifts-Spurs-simply-by-showing-up-12792920.php

Be there, show up, fight through pain. Sounds like he's throwing shade to me given their best player was doing the exact opposite of gracing them even with his presence.

[bic50]

You didn’t answer the question. No one Kawhi has faced is as good as PG or Wade. That matters in the nba. PHI is a fine team; they aren’t anything special.
Since when is pg anything special ? and wade started to decline. Phi has one most talented starting 5 in the league. Joel butler and Simmons should have been enough to beat the raptors but Kawhi for most of the series was avg 38 on 62% shooting. He had to play out of his mind to keep them in the series.

[HarlemHeat37]

As Spurs fans, we celebrated players like Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili, men who never quit, sacrificed touches and accolades, as long as the team won..

Now we're praising LaMarcus Aldridge for showing up after he asked for a trade and Pop having to baby him:lol this must be what it's like to be a Hornets or Pacers fan..

[bic50]

If anything I find that the "casuals" as far as bball knowledge are often the fans that only watch their team and don't care about anything else basketball wise.
I agree

[DPG21920]

Since when is pg anything special ? and wade started to decline. Phi has one most talented starting 5 in the league. Joel butler and Simmons should have been enough to beat the raptors but Kawhi for most of the series was avg 38 on 62% shooting. He had to play out of his mind to keep them in the series.

Again you are missing the point. Kawhi isn’t going through teams that DeRozan didnt have to face in terms of quality. Sorry if that fact offends you.

[apalisoc_9]

I'm hearing and its been speculated by many trusted sources in the Media that Lamarcus was part of the problem.

He legitimately thought he was as good as kawhi and deserves just as many touches and PATFO did everything they can to make him happy.

This apparently left a sour taste in Kawhis camp.


Lose Micheal Jordan with a three pointer in order to please AL Jefferson with a better defense spurs brehs :rollin

[DPG21920]

I'm hearing and its been speculated by many trusted sources in the Media that Lamarcus was part of the problem.

He legitimately thought he was as good as kawhi and deserves just as many touches and PATFO did everything they can to make him happy.

This apparently left a sour taste in Kawhis camp.


Lose Micheal Jordan with a three pointer in order to please AL Jefferson with a better defense spurs brehs :rollin

If that is true then Kawhi is a lock to stay in TOR.

They let him shoot 35 times. They let him rest whenever he wants. They let him have his Uncle in the tunnel. If it’s just about the Spurs treatment of Kawhi and not about wanting LA, it’s very obvious he stays in TOR especially knowing they can pay him way more than LA.

[Rusty]

^:lol

[apalisoc_9]

If that is true then Kawhi is a lock to stay in TOR.

They let him shoot 35 times. They let him rest whenever he wants. They let him have his Uncle in the tunnel. If it’s just about the Spurs treatment of Kawhi and not about wanting LA, it’s very obvious he stays in TOR especially knowing they can pay him way more than LA.

Literally every player of kawhi caliber has been treated this way. :lol

Treat Micheal Jordan 2.0 like He's Jeremy Lamb...

All this freedom talk by kawhi and danny is very indicative that they were never fans of Pops "all for the team" mentality. Not even a role player like Danny liked it.

[DPG21920]

Literally every player of kawhi caliber has been treated this way. :lol

Treat Micheal Jordan 2.0 like He's Jeremy Lamb...

All this freedom talk by kawhi and danny is very indicative that they were never fans of Pops "all for the team" mentality. Not even a role player like Danny liked it.

So then he’s staying in TOR. They have given him everything he wants and can pay him more money and give him the best shot at getting to the finals.

And for a guy who didn’t like it, Danny sure did sign here several times, even below market value :lol. He must just like suffering.

[MichaelBayismyUncle]

Most emotion from Kawhi ever. More than the finals celebrations.

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Since when is pg anything special ? and wade started to decline. Phi has one most talented starting 5 in the league. Joel butler and Simmons should have been enough to beat the raptors but Kawhi for most of the series was avg 38 on 62% shooting. He had to play out of his mind to keep them in the series.

Seriously? All of Simmons, Harris, Reddick, and Embiid were practically no shows. Butler was the only one that brought it for most every game. Embiid caught tummy aches, knee problems, and pneumonia. If he has even 3 decent games, Jurassic Park folks go home crying.

That 4 rim, no glass bounce lucky ass shot wasn't their biggest stroke of luck. They also got a severely crippled Joel Embiid. And bad performances from 3 the other starters.

Btw, just to cool your jets, the Sixers lost one more game this year compared to last year 51 to 52, despite the talent upgrade. They were not any juggernaut. Had they been in the west, they don't even make the playoffs. We had 48 wins and were the 7th seed. Just stop. Kawhi is good but he's not knocking off any Goliaths.

[NASpurs]

As Spurs fans, we celebrated players like Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili, men who never quit, sacrificed touches and accolades, as long as the team won..

Now we're praising LaMarcus Aldridge for showing up after he asked for a trade and Pop having to baby him:lol this must be what it's like to be a Hornets or Pacers fan..

:lol seriously, the bar is being set lower and lower; so fucking disgusting.

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I'm hearing and its been speculated by many trusted sources in the Media that Lamarcus was part of the problem.

He legitimately thought he was as good as kawhi and deserves just as many touches and PATFO did everything they can to make him happy.

This apparently left a sour taste in Kawhis camp.


Lose Micheal Jordan with a three pointer in order to please AL Jefferson with a better defense spurs brehs :rollin

If this is true, why did Manu and the rest of LMAs teammates rally around him and make subtle jabs about showing up? Just stop already, you aren't hearing shit OUTSIDE of anything you watch on First Take. Unless your aunt has insider information she passes on during your love sessions.

[dbreiden83080]

Who cares?



As long as nobody on the team is getting more touches than him.



Exactly that. Also, the fact tht he won't ever allows us to improve by making him the secondary offensive option that he should be on a team that has some sort of distant aspiration of contending.

So you want DM to be the number 1 option on the team? How did that work out in Toronto in the playoffs? Who else could it be? Mills? White? The 2 top paid guys get the most shots. Gee you don't say...

[cd98]

I go here after each game for media availabilities, both practice and post game interviews: https://www.nba.com/spurs/video/channel/spurs_sound

So I listened to most everything myself. I read a few, or a billion, articles of course too, but a lot of my recollections come from watching them.

Here is one a quick Google search turned up that goes to the point though:

Afterward, Ginobili talked about the lift the Spurs received just from seeing Aldridge show up.
After the season the Spurs have endured to date – in which the training room has been as crowded as a New York hotspot and "perseverance" has been a daily buzzword – Aldridge's points and rebounds meant less Thursday than his presence.

"We need him to be there, even if he feels bad," Ginobili said. "He's become so important and we depend on him so much. It's great to see him compete like that, fight through the pain and have a great game."


https://www.expressnews.com/spurs-nation/article/Aldridge-lifts-Spurs-simply-by-showing-up-12792920.php

Be there, show up, fight through pain. Sounds like he's throwing shade to me given their best player was doing the exact opposite of gracing them even with his presence.

Yea, but if this set off Kawhi, then he's soft. Manu has more titles than Kawhi and I don't know that Kawhi will ever catch him in that department. Manu earned the right to criticize Kawhi because he played with a broken arm. He sacrificed his body for less money than Kawhi was getting paid to sit.

That said, I am bitter about Kawhi, but I can't ignore the fact that he looks like Jordan out there. So sad to see the one that got away doing so well without the Spurs.

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As Spurs fans, we celebrated players like Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili, men who never quit, sacrificed touches and accolades, as long as the team won..

Now we're praising LaMarcus Aldridge for showing up after he asked for a trade and Pop having to baby him:lol this must be what it's like to be a Hornets or Pacers fan..

You are so misreading the situation as to not even be on the same planet. Why would Pop and Ginobili rally around LMA as their team leader and not Kawhitter?

You know shit. You're wrong on the context of everything you posted. We're not praising LMA for merely "showing up." Some of us are simply recognizing he had a difference on how he was being used in 2017. He wasn't happy with that. He quietly went and requested a trade. Pop sat down with him, instead of hiding like a Load Management bitch, and they worked it out. He responded by quite literally saving everything about the Spurs while Nephew was having the worst case of vaginitis ever seen in an NBA player. Pop not only has not babied him, he's praised him for his diligence, leadership, and work ethic. As did Manu and most every other player on the team.

You want to know what players felt about what Load Management did to them? Watch the Danny Green video online where Rudy Gay sits with him before our game this year. It's clear as day what Gay thinks of Nephew. He doesn't like him. End od story. If there's anyone that you shouldn't be celebrating, it's that braided bitch ass punk that stole $19M

[apalisoc_9]

Went for a system player narrative to a Micheal Jordan Narrative.

He's no different than he was in 2016 as a player tbh. Toronto PR really helping kawhi improve his brand.

I love the spurs but they really didnt do a good job of promoting Kawhi.

[HarlemHeat37]

You are so misreading the situation as to not even be on the same planet. Why would Pop and Ginobili rally around LMA as their team leader and not Kawhitter?

You know shit. You're wrong on the context of everything you posted. We're not praising LMA for merely "showing up." Some of us are simply recognizing he had a difference on how he was being used in 2017. He wasn't happy with that. He quietly went and requested a trade. Pop sat down with him, instead of hiding like a Load Management bitch, and they worked it out. He responded by quite literally saving everything about the Spurs while Nephew was having the worst case of vaginitis ever seen in an NBA player. Pop not only has not babied him, he's praised him for his diligence, leadership, and work ethic. As did Manu and most every other player on the team.

You want to know what players felt about what Load Management did to them? Watch the Danny Green video online where Rudy Gay sits with him before our game this year. It's clear as day what Gay thinks of Nephew. He doesn't like him. End od story. If there's anyone that you shouldn't be celebrating, it's that braided bitch ass punk that stole $19M

:lol

Listen, if you want to cheer for a player who asked for a trade because he wasn't getting enough touches on a 67-win team that reached the WCFs, that's on you, you're entitled to cheer for whoever you want..

IMO, that's the complete opposite of everything the Spurs stand for..a player who puts his stats over the team..if Kawhi hadn't quit on the Spurs and left, Aldridge would be viewed much differently in SA..

[LkrFan]

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[slick'81]

Uncle dennis needing that spotlight :lmao

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Yea, but if this set off Kawhi, then he's soft. Manu has more titles than Kawhi and I don't know that Kawhi will ever catch him in that department. Manu earned the right to criticize Kawhi because he played with a broken arm. He sacrificed his body for less money than Kawhi was getting paid to sit.

That said, I am bitter about Kawhi, but I can't ignore the fact that he looks like Jordan out there. So sad to see the one that got away doing so well without the Spurs.

Yeah, well I'm not making the case it set off Kawhi. I think he was already set off before the season even started by his uncle and management. I just think the Spurs players knew something was really off with Kawhi early on last season and knew that they had to get behind Aldridge

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:lol

Listen, if you want to cheer for a player who asked for a trade because he wasn't getting enough touches on a 67-win team that reached the WCFs, that's on you, you're entitled to cheer for whoever you want..

IMO, that's the complete opposite of everything the Spurs stand for..a player who puts his stats over the team..if Kawhi hadn't quit on the Spurs and left, Aldridge would be viewed much differently in SA..

Never complained even one word publicly. We don't know he was upset with his touches for his stats or for just being involved in the game flow. We do know that Kawhi had a case of Load Management and Return from Injury Management. We know he hid from his training staff and made Pop track him down across the country just to have a sitdown meeting with him. We know he didn't show up on the bench once after his heroic 9 games, even during the playoffs (Aldridge single handedly carried us to), he was cleared to play in. You are on the wrong side of the debate here Harlem. And it's not even close.

[DPG21920]

There is nothing wrong asking for a trade IMO. Is it a great look? No. But it’s not a fatal flaw. If kawhi would have done what LMA did, be a professional and a man and gone directly to Pop/RC and requested a trade in private while continuing to play good solider in front of the media, HE would be viewed differently

[TheSpurglar]

:lol

Listen, if you want to cheer for a player who asked for a trade because he wasn't getting enough touches on a 67-win team that reached the WCFs, that's on you, you're entitled to cheer for whoever you want..

IMO, that's the complete opposite of everything the Spurs stand for..a player who puts his stats over the team..if Kawhi hadn't quit on the Spurs and left, Aldridge would be viewed much differently in SA..

So what's your point exactly? That LMA is a bitch too, just not quite as big a bitch? Okay, cool. Point made. Kawhi still actively damaged the Spurs on his way out with his shitty trade request/disappearing act.

LMA asked for a trade because he didn't feel involved enough in the offense, but then worked it out with Pop like a man, and has played solid basketball since, earning a modicum of respect back from the fanbase. He's no Duncan, but... who is?

Also find it ridiculous how often people claim the Spurs are behind the times, won't cater to their stars, and that's why nobody wants to come play with them, why Kawhi left, etc. But if that's the case, how do you explain the Aldridge situation? And if they did indeed cater to him, isn't that by your own arguments a good thing? And if they did cater to Aldridge, it stands to reason they catered to Kawhi as well, and it was Kawhi who wasn't satisfied with it, because he wanted to go back to LA.

[TheSpurglar]

There is nothing wrong asking for a trade IMO. Is it a great look? No. But it’s not a fatal flaw. If kawhi would have done what LMA did, be a professional and a man and gone directly to Pop/RC and requested a trade in private while continuing to play good solider in front of the media, HE would be viewed differently

This.

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When's the last time you guys celebrated anything, you know, playoff victory related?

[MichaelBayismyUncle]

Listen, at the end of the day it all came down to miscommunication. Kawhi being a quitter, Pop being a dictator in the locker room is all bs narratives stemming from ONE THING. A lapse in communication between Kawhi's camp and Pop's staff. Looking at Uncle Dennis hugging is out with Masai Ujiri and Raptor's minority owner Larry Tanenbaum shows this.

When you listen to Kawhi's camp things would have been smoother.

[TimDunkem]

As Spurs fans, we celebrated players like Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili, men who never quit, sacrificed touches and accolades, as long as the team won..

Now we're praising LaMarcus Aldridge for showing up after he asked for a trade and Pop having to baby him:lol this must be what it's like to be a Hornets or Pacers fan..

This just isn't the same franchise anymore. Duncan goes and Pop suddenly forgot what got him there: Taking care of his star and building around him.

[Clipper Nation]

They also got a severely crippled Joel Embiid.

Embiid wasn't "severely crippled." He's just fat. He eats too much fast food instead of a healthy diet. Come playoff time, where you need to bring it on every possession, he can't keep up because he's so out-of-shape. All his crying after the game doesn't mean anything unless he proves how much he cares by showing up in shape next season and going on a diet.

[slick'81]

This just isn't the same franchise anymore. Duncan goes and Pop suddenly forgot what got him there: Taking care of his star and building around him.

The narrative here is he was gone anyway in fa to la.The question is was the supermax ever really offered to kawhi

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Embiid wasn't "severely crippled." He's just fat. He eats too much fast food instead of a healthy diet. Come playoff time, where you need to bring it on every possession, he can't keep up because he's so out-of-shape. All his crying after the game doesn't mean anything unless he proves how much he cares by showing up in shape next season and going on a diet.

Yes, that's a problem. So was the pneumonia, or severe upper respiratory infection (heard it described both ways) he had that was reportedly so bad they had to shut down film sessions during this series because he was coughing so bad. He also had a bad knee. And then on top of that he had some sort of gastrointestinal issue.

He had the trifecta of shitty health and yet the Sixers still took them to a 4 rim bounce buzzer beating game seven loss on the road. The Sixers were far from a great team especially with Embiid so challenged.

[TD 21]

You got to love the national media lapping this up. It's funny, they're disgusted by Butler and Davis, but in love with this scumbag (who by the way, played an atrocious, Bryant style game 7 and got lucky at the end to survive a clearly inferior opponent). This league has become a joke. As long as you screw over a franchise they hate and it benefits one they love, you're a god.

I'd love nothing more than for the Bucks to emasculate the Raptors, but as I've said for a long time, unfortunately, I think the latter is going to the Finals, will have a legit shot to win it, the puke will stay and the Spurs will become infamous . . . but they partially deserve it for their stupidity to put him in this situation when the return was beyond pathetic.



I still think he's a lock to go to the Clippers, but wouldn't be shocking anymore if he stayed in Toronto..seemed unthinkable before the season, but the way they've handled his load management and catered to Dennis at least gives them a real chance(along with the money)..

That makes no sense. If you think he's a lock to leave, then by definition you should be shocked if he stays.

It was never unthinkable. I had a bad feeling from the start (don't get the Spurs fans who either prefer he re-signs or don't care either way). They were always going to bend over backwards to please him (anyone in their situation would have) and it was always going to be an appealing setup . . .

- They were always going at least this far and when they did, he was always getting the majority of the credit (not the "culture", "system" or some senile president/coach).
- He was never going to be as beloved here as Ginobili, Duncan or Robinson; there, despite hockey eternally being #1, he'll be treated as a king.
- The hierarchy and fit on their roster is ideal. He doesn't have to deal with another player even near his stature, yet they're still good enough to contend.
- Because his only previous experience was here and he's an introvert to put it mildly, he probably thinks the "freedom" they've given him and the way they've catered to him, is unique.

[exstatic]

This is all euphoria, but at the end of the day, Jerry West is a fucking closer. He got Shaq out of Orlando, and he got KD out of OKC.

[DPG21920]

This is all euphoria, but at the end of the day, Jerry West is a fucking closer. He got Shaq out of Orlando, and he got KD out of OKC.

He doesn’t even have to close here. This is where Kawhi’s team wants Kawhi. They are pushing him there. It’s not like The Clippers have to sell Kawhi; his team is sold.

[LkrFan]

When's the last time you guys celebrated anything, you know, playoff victory related?

What you talking about son? I been celebrating with the Dubs (Lakers North) for a minute. Try to keep up :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

1128045504863059969

If Dennis has any business sense, he'll take advantage of this..

[ECOV]

Never complained even one word publicly. We don't know he was upset with his touches for his stats or for just being involved in the game flow. We do know that Kawhi had a case of Load Management and Return from Injury Management. We know he hid from his training staff and made Pop track him down across the country just to have a sitdown meeting with him. We know he didn't show up on the bench once after his heroic 9 games, even during the playoffs (Aldridge single handedly carried us to), he was cleared to play in. You are on the wrong side of the debate here Harlem. And it's not even close.

Sic this pusssss

[phxspurfan]

Love how Kawhi is now actively trying to push 2018 as an injury rather than a quit job. Funny how he is forced to talk now that he’s playing again versus ducking everybody for an entire year

[LkrFan]

This is all euphoria, but at the end of the day, Jerry West is a fucking closer. He got Shaq out of Orlando, and he got KD out of OKC.

Not really...Orlando didn't want to pony up the loot. The Lakers did. Shaq was all about the money.

[kobyz]

Kawhi lost trust in the Spurs, he figured out this team aren't going anywhere as long as Pop with his shit still running this thing, he had all the reasons to rightfully wanting to leave this fucked up place... All the crying about kawhi didn't respect the Spurs and didn't leave the right way, it's all spins, it's all bs, fans should cherish kawhi and keep supporting him, just accept kawhi didn't want to sacrifice his future to this bad karma place and Pop madness...

[HarlemHeat37]

So what's your point exactly? That LMA is a bitch too, just not quite as big a bitch? Okay, cool. Point made. Kawhi still actively damaged the Spurs on his way out with his shitty trade request/disappearing act.



Yes, that's my point..

[slick'81]

Love how Kawhi is now actively trying to push 2018 as an injury rather than a quit job. Funny how he is forced to talk now that he’s playing again versus ducking everybody for an entire year

Yup.He had a career threatening injury that was misdiagnosed and his teammates were mean to him :cry

[phxspurfan]

Yup.He had a career threatening injury that was misdiagnosed and his teammates were mean to him :cry

His teammates that he siphoned an entire career and a championship out of. Two if he didn't miss critical free throws. Like he did this past game.

[DAF86]

So you want DM to be the number 1 option on the team? How did that work out in Toronto in the playoffs? Who else could it be? Mills? White? The 2 top paid guys get the most shots. Gee you don't say...

No, I wanted that, when we had a real number one, LA wouldn't have pouted for getting less touches than him. I want to know that, if we ever get another real number one, LA would be cool with becoming a second option without asking out.

[MichaelBayismyUncle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5gO200auvg

[offset formation]

What you talking about son? I been celebrating with the Dubs (Lakers North) for a minute. Try to keep up :lol

At least you admit your wanderings. Congrats on being a whore.

[offset formation]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5gO200auvg

:bang:ihit:pctoss:vomit::vomit::vomit::vomit::vomi t:

[exstatic]

Not really...Orlando didn't want to pony up the loot. The Lakers did. Shaq was all about the money.

The only difference in the contracts was that LA literally paid him up front every year, a loophole that's now been closed. That fucker was the only player that got paid during the '99 lockout. :lol

[LkrFan]

The only difference in the contracts was that LA literally paid him up front every year, a loophole that's now been closed. That fucker was the only player that got paid during the '99 lockout. :lol

:lol

[FrankC]

Again you are missing the point. Kawhi isn’t going through teams that DeRozan didnt have to face in terms of quality. Sorry if that fact offends you.
You keep going back and forth between the quality of the team, and the quality of PG or Wade. The fact is that the Pacers and Heat that the Raptors matched up against in those seasons were not as good as this Philly team that was just eliminated. You're not only overrating those teams, you're also overrating Demar's own weight or influence. Those teams were beaten by big games from Lowry, Valanciunas, Powell, Biyombo... So not only was this Philly team better than any of those earlier opponents, it was very much a matter of Kawhi carrying the greatest load and having the single biggest influence on the outcome as opposed to having others carry the heavy load for him while his performance went in the tank. It's laughable that you're wasting so many posts arguing this.


That has nothing to do with what I said though. You are literally seeing people in Twitter saying that Kawhi did what DeRozan never could; lead TOR to the ECF :lol

Well, the bare truth is that Demar never did lead the Raptors to the ECF. He was always dead weight that was carried through the playoffs by other guys taking turns being heroes. Perhaps if Demar didn't turn into a pumpkin every post season then they would have made the ECF more than once, or maybe even had a puncher's chance in the one they did make, but no, he had to turn into apractice pylon for Lebron and the Cavs. In that sense, the statement is correct. Kawhi did lead, while Demar did not.

I firmly think that this season's Raptors team would have beaten the Cavs the previous two seasons. Maybe not the earlier ECF matchup in 16 where it was the Raptors first time there and was a title season for CLE, but these past two seasons would not have been sweeps and they likely would have resulted in LBJ not making the Finals again.

[Mikeanaro]

So I’m a casual because I like basketball outside of my own team? Yeah they they got swept and demar was mocked for it even here and by skip bayless who now did a complete 180 on demar after he had a spurs jersey on. I’m not going to be cultist like that
You are a casual, you dont care about Spurs only about whats hip today, so far they are getting to the shitty ECF because of a fluke shot and you are all excited.

[dbreiden83080]

No, I wanted that, when we had a real number one, LA wouldn't have pouted for getting less touches than him. I want to know that, if we ever get another real number one, LA would be cool with becoming a second option without asking out.

Well he is 33 so the by the time that happens he will be on the way out anyway. For now he needs to be a 1 or 1A for the Spurs. And he did not leave after losing in the WCF. He stayed and it was Number 2 that set the franchise back maybe 5 years.

[Mikeanaro]

If anything I find that the "casuals" as far as bball knowledge are often the fans that only watch their team and don't care about anything else basketball wise.
Well you find it wrong, there are casuals that follow the entire league only to suck Hardens/Durants/Nephew dicks.
And as some are saying in this very thread they dont care about bad calls, etc, because they love the stars and everything they do, thats why Harden is always a god, now he failed but In a couple of months he will be a beast again on internet discussions.
Some of them are here using alts to suit their needs.

[daslicer]

Well you find it wrong, there are casuals that follow the entire league only to suck Hardens/Durants/Nephew dicks.
And as some are saying in this very thread they dont care about bad calls, etc, because they love the stars and everything they do, thats why Harden is always a god, now he failed but In a couple of months he will be a beast again on internet discussions.
Some of them are here using alts to suit their needs.

I would say this is true and applies to the guy you replied to.

[dbreiden83080]

Love how Kawhi is now actively trying to push 2018 as an injury rather than a quit job. Funny how he is forced to talk now that he’s playing again versus ducking everybody for an entire year

His departure from SA remains the weirdest thing I have ever seen in the NBA. To not even finish out his contract, and pull what he pulled to get out.. Beyond fucked..

[daslicer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5gO200auvg

Uncle Dennis is a great con artist. I will give him that. He's willing to be buddy buddy and fake with these guys up until the Raptors season is over and then he will pack his bags with #2 and come down to LA.

[Mikeanaro]

I would say this is true and applies to the guy you replied to.
It could be, the most interesting question is why they want to discuss BB in some team forum and pretend those guys to be casuals like them.

[Beartrucci]

I would say this is true and applies to the guy you replied to.

Flattered but this is definitely the only account I use.

[DPG21920]

You keep going back and forth between the quality of the team, and the quality of PG or Wade. The fact is that the Pacers and Heat that the Raptors matched up against in those seasons were not as good as this Philly team that was just eliminated. You're not only overrating those teams, you're also overrating Demar's own weight or influence. Those teams were beaten by big games from Lowry, Valanciunas, Powell, Biyombo... So not only was this Philly team better than any of those earlier opponents, it was very much a matter of Kawhi carrying the greatest load and having the single biggest influence on the outcome as opposed to having others carry the heavy load for him while his performance went in the tank. It's laughable that you're wasting so many posts arguing this.


Well, the bare truth is that Demar never did lead the Raptors to the ECF. He was always dead weight that was carried through the playoffs by other guys taking turns being heroes. Perhaps if Demar didn't turn into a pumpkin every post season then they would have made the ECF more than once, or maybe even had a puncher's chance in the one they did make, but no, he had to turn into apractice pylon for Lebron and the Cavs. In that sense, the statement is correct. Kawhi did lead, while Demar did not.

I firmly think that this season's Raptors team would have beaten the Cavs the previous two seasons. Maybe not the earlier ECF matchup in 16 where it was the Raptors first time there and was a title season for CLE, but these past two seasons would not have been sweeps and they likely would have resulted in LBJ not making the Finals again.

This is all silly. This Raptors team could have beaten the Lebron led Cavs that beat GS when they struggled with a very average PHI or even the other versions of Brons Cavs?

Just because you want to prop up Kawhi (which I fully understand) doesn’t change the fact that ORL and PHI is not a harder path than IND/MIA with Wade/PG. Having a star player is part of the quality of the team. Hell, look at TOR. No one for TOR other than Kawhi really stepped up (at least consistently). Sometimes having a super star is enough which is why going through Wade/PG matters vs going through PHI type players. Yet on one hand you are arguing they could beat Lebron. You are admitting what I am saying about Wade/PG with your Kawhi carrying the load argument; stars matter.

And you can downplay DeRozan and some of it is justified. But he was the leading scorer for TOR basically every year and especially that year in the playoffs when they made the ECF.

Let’s see if Kawhi can do any better. Lebron’s championship Cavs are better than the Bucks; so if you think this TOR team could have beat Lebron led teams, MIL should be a walk in the park.

[phxspurfan]

His departure from SA remains the weirdest thing I have ever seen in the NBA. To not even finish out his contract, and pull what he pulled to get out.. Beyond fucked..

He worked a trade. Hardly new. But the way he did it, faking an injury, sitting out a whole year and opportunistically blaming it on team doctors and Parker's rant, that is new.


But to be honest, giving Mills and Gasol those contracts and not going out and getting any more talent around him probably pissed him off. That's on the FO. Being cheap as usual. They did it to Robinson and Duncan, too.

[Johojowhite]

Uncle Dennis is a great con artist. I will give him that. He's willing to be buddy buddy and fake with these guys up until the Raptors season is over and then he will pack his bags with #2 and come down to LA.
You wish, Kawhi is staying and this franchise traded him for scraps.

[HarlemHeat37]

Is timvp ever going to tell us what he knows, tbh?:lol

It must be serious since it was enough for him to say it makes Kawhi look like less of a villain IIRC..

[ShutUp SayItAgain!]

If this is true, why did Manu and the rest of LMAs teammates rally around him and make subtle jabs about showing up? Just stop already, you aren't hearing shit OUTSIDE of anything you watch on First Take. Unless your aunt has insider information she passes on during your love sessions.

:lol

[slick'81]

He worked a trade. Hardly new. But the way he did it, faking an injury, sitting out a whole year and opportunistically blaming it on team doctors and Parker's rant, that is new.


But to be honest, giving Mills and Gasol those contracts and not going out and getting any more talent around him probably pissed him off. That's on the FO. Being cheap as usual. They did it to Robinson and Duncan, too.

Leonard probably wanted a little input before they wasted a max slot on those two cancers

[ShutUp SayItAgain!]

There is nothing wrong asking for a trade IMO. Is it a great look? No. But it’s not a fatal flaw. If kawhi would have done what LMA did, be a professional and a man and gone directly to Pop/RC and requested a trade in private while continuing to play good solider in front of the media, HE would be viewed differently

Boom

[ShutUp SayItAgain!]

Love how Kawhi is now actively trying to push 2018 as an injury rather than a quit job. Funny how he is forced to talk now that he’s playing again versus ducking everybody for an entire year

Yup. Total PR bullshit. Fake ass injury and he gets to fake history now about it in a way that fools people into thinking he was a victim that overcame being treated so badly last year..Boohoo fake ass faggot.

[Beartrucci]

Yup. Total PR bullshit. Fake ass injury and he gets to fake history now about it in a way that fools people into thinking he was a victim that overcame being treated so badly last year..Boohoo fake ass faggot.

And people are going to want to believe whatever he/his team says because he's becoming the next Kobe, etc. in most peoples' eyes. People love a winner and they'll believe whatever narrative they want to because of that.

[ShutUp SayItAgain!]

He worked a trade. Hardly new. But the way he did it, faking an injury, sitting out a whole year and opportunistically blaming it on team doctors and Parker's rant, that is new.


But to be honest, giving Mills and Gasol those contracts and not going out and getting any more talent around him probably pissed him off. That's on the FO. Being cheap as usual. They did it to Robinson and Duncan, too.

This is close to where I sit. I'm pissed at both sides. Kawhi is a bitch for faking an injury, hiding and lying about everything in order to get to LA which pretty much ended Manu's career a year early (my opinion), stole 19 mill and a championship we could have won, I honestly believe we would have beaten Golden State.

But also Pop and the front office are jackasses who never did shit to improve the team around him and horrible coaching decisions. Fuck em both.

[Bynumite]

Spurfans still dwelling on Kiwi's departure on a daily basis :lol




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny4lRibuh9A



:cry It still hurts :cry

[Twisted_Dawg]

Is timvp ever going to tell us what he knows, tbh?:lol

It must be serious since it was enough for him to say it makes Kawhi look like less of a villain IIRC..

Plus he said he would be likely blackballed. PATFO?

[slick'81]

This thread will go on throughout leonards historic career

[JeffDuncan]

This thread will go on throughout leonards historic career

And beyond. After Leonard has retired and been voted into the HOF this thread will still be going, with the same old men repeating the same old things.

[Twisted_Dawg]

This thread will go on throughout leonards historic career


And beyond. After Leonard has retired and been voted into the HOF this thread will still be going, with the same old men repeating the same old things.

A lot of guys stay bitter and angry for years after being dumped by a woman. They finally get over it and move on after they meet someone new. Hopefully the Spurs find someone new.

[TDMVPDPOY]

he who controls the media, controls what they want you to watch, hear..

dont kill the messenger, did you get the message?

CC agent is the mutt who has an interest in kawhis circle, so it helps he has a propaganda speaker in the news spreading negative shit about the spurs since day1 of the fallout, the pos still running his mouth about the spurs today everytime kawhi is mention on tv... besides him and media jocks from LA who spread lies to get the deal done, nobody outside of the LA market was spreading bs propaganda...

now back to the spurs patfo, they can go eat a dick

[Hoops Czar]

There is nothing wrong asking for a trade IMO. Is it a great look? No. But it’s not a fatal flaw. If kawhi would have done what LMA did, be a professional and a man and gone directly to Pop/RC and requested a trade in private while continuing to play good solider in front of the media, HE would be viewed differently
Was/is LMA viewed differently for going to Pop/RC and requesting a trade? Not at all. There were also rumors way before he actually talked to Pop about wanting to be traded and is it turns out, those rumors weren't fabrications like many had previously suggested

[TDMVPDPOY]

Was/is LMA viewed differently for going to Pop/RC and requesting a trade? Not at all. There were also rumors way before he actually talked to Pop about wanting to be traded and is it turns out, those rumors weren't fabrications like many had previously suggested

1 mountain cant have 2 tigers
patfo fucked up when they decided to keep this pos happy at the expense of kawhi the player they nurtured and developed, fck patfo

giving this pos a extension after 1 year at the spurs? just like they did with g asol... at the expense of younger players looking to get paid on the team, only to see you wasted 2 years developing them to leave for another team, repeating the process again every year through the draft, wasting ur franchise player prime years retooling roster...

if u think about it, all the younger players outside the big3 that was traded or left during the last 5years? assembled is still a better roster then current spurs roster

[james evans]

Is timvp ever going to tell us what he knows, tbh?:lol

It must be serious since it was enough for him to say it makes Kawhi look like less of a villain IIRC..
We will find out on an episode of 30 for 30. Franchises always play to the media that players are the villain but 15-20 years later we always find out its the team’s fault. Happened with vince in Toronto, Zo in Charlotte and Shaq in Orlando. I have patience, but the truth WILL come out. Anyone dumb enough to believe a guy who hasn’t said anything in 6 years decides to wake up one day and be an asshole probably belives in a virgin birthing a healer.

[vander]

I really hope he stays in Toronto, he'll never ring there, but with the Clippers...

[weebo]

We will find out on an episode of 30 for 30. Franchises always play to the media that players are the villain but 15-20 years later we always find out its the team’s fault. Happened with vince in Toronto, Zo in Charlotte and Shaq in Orlando. I have patience, but the truth WILL come out. Anyone dumb enough to believe a guy who hasn’t said anything in 6 years decides to wake up one day and be an asshole probably belives in a virgin birthing a healer.

It's Uncle Dennis bro...he wants to turn Kawhi into the next Lebron...Uncle Dennis has dollar signs in his eyes...his plan is to get Kawhi to a bigger market so he can cash in...everyone knows he has a lot of say in what goes on with Kawhi's career..he could have stepped in and told Kawhi to chill and wait it out until he got paid the super max and then bailed...but Uncle Dennis sees himself as some genius business manager...totally backfired on his dumb ass

[daslicer]

You wish, Kawhi is staying and this franchise traded him for scraps.

At this point I don't give a shit. I'm not even from SA and have never lived there. I can say though I have been to both Toronto and LA. My mom's family lives in LA and it's by far superior to Toronto in every metric. He's good as gone. If he stays I'm good as long as he never rings. We'll see what happens.

[TDMVPDPOY]

with the spurs = his pathway on pace to be goat, maybe top10 when its all sad and done

with another team = still on pace for top15 or higher depending what team he leads to their first championship with multiple awards and stats accumulated

as for the spurs = one of the stupidest deals they ever done in their team history setting them back further...

knowing lma, ddr are choke artists, which team is going to trade for them besides getting rid of cap

[barakz21]

I go here after each game for media availabilities, both practice and post game interviews: https://www.nba.com/spurs/video/channel/spurs_sound

So I listened to most everything myself. I read a few, or a billion, articles of course too, but a lot of my recollections come from watching them.

Here is one a quick Google search turned up that goes to the point though:

Afterward, Ginobili talked about the lift the Spurs received just from seeing Aldridge show up.
After the season the Spurs have endured to date – in which the training room has been as crowded as a New York hotspot and "perseverance" has been a daily buzzword – Aldridge's points and rebounds meant less Thursday than his presence.

"We need him to be there, even if he feels bad," Ginobili said. "He's become so important and we depend on him so much. It's great to see him compete like that, fight through the pain and have a great game."


https://www.expressnews.com/spurs-nation/article/Aldridge-lifts-Spurs-simply-by-showing-up-12792920.php

Be there, show up, fight through pain. Sounds like he's throwing shade to me given their best player was doing the exact opposite of gracing them even with his presence.

Yeah, I couldn’t remember if I saw it or read it, I just remember Manu doing it. Thanks boss, much appreciated!

[Twisted_Dawg]

As for the spurs = one of the stupidest deals they ever done in their team history setting them back further...


The absolute worst trade the franchise has ever made.

[K...]

By all accounts, kawhi only loves two things in life: basketball and family. It's weird to imagine him caring about fans, money, celebrity, and his legacy. At some point that made him a classic spur, but it also made him pliant to a bull shit manuever that saw him miss a playoffs in his prime.

I don't hate kawhi because it will do no good. Dude is a sociopath, he can't be made to feel shame

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol fan base hates a player

but doesnt hate patfo for their repetitive dumb roster moves every season

[daslicer]

lol fan base hates a player

but doesnt hate patfo for their repetitive dumb roster moves every season

Also lol at being a stupid ass and believing patfo will be humbled if #2 wins another title. That's pretty much what clowns like you are hoping for. Pop is an arrogant prick. I don't see him ever being humbled. If you want to see him suffer go root for team USA to fall short of the gold in 2020. I think that will hurt him more than #2 winning another title somewhere else. It's pretty much the only reason why Pop is still coaching.

[apalisoc_9]

Its weird. Marco Bellineli the only current spur that gave kawhi props for his shot. Everyone seem silent. :lol

[apalisoc_9]

https://twitter.com/marcobelinelli/status/1127749840727891968


:wow


Even more reason to hate Marco Bellineli?

Spursfans?

[Ice009]

Is timvp ever going to tell us what he knows, tbh?:lol

It must be serious since it was enough for him to say it makes Kawhi look like less of a villain IIRC..

I'd love to know what TIMVP has heard, but I don't want to get him blacklisted.

[lefty]

https://twitter.com/marcobelinelli/status/1127749840727891968


:wow


Even more reason to hate Marco Bellineli?

Spursfans?
My nigga :bobo

[apalisoc_9]

I'd love to know what TIMVP has heard, but I don't want to get him blacklisted.

This is factual tbh. Its crazy how people continue to hate on Kawhi. Ever since TIMVP confirmed that Kawhi was indeed a victim, i am slowly but surely starting to enjoy my ex favourite player.

I dont think ill ever like leonard the same way now that he's an ex-spur, but it just crazy to think the Spurs PATFO wasnt partly to blame

[GusT15]

Its weird. Marco Bellineli the only current spur that gave kawhi props for his shot. Everyone seem silent. :lol

It's not that weird.Marco wasn't part of the team that Nephew fucked last year.

He probably still remembers #2 from 2014 with joy and hapiness.

If you're not part of the locker room that suffered for a whole year with "Is he okay?","Where is he?"."Will he be back?","Why isn't he on the bench?" you can't really get what happened.

[apalisoc_9]

It's not that weird.Marco wasn't part of the team that Nephew fucked last year.

He probably still remembers #2 from 2014 with joy and hapiness.

If you're not part of the locker room that suffered for a whole year with "Is he okay?","Where is he?"."Will he be back?","Why isn't he on the bench?" you can't really get what happened.

I mean its weird because he probably knows some of those guys in the lockeroom hate kawhi :lol

He knows the ownership and PATFO hate him.

so pretty ballsy for Marco to show appreciation to Spurs Public enemy 1..

With a Klaw sign too :wow

[spurs10]

This is factual tbh. Its crazy how people continue to hate on Kawhi. Ever since TIMVP confirmed that Kawhi was indeed a victim, i am slowly but surely starting to enjoy my ex favourite player.

I dont think ill ever like leonard the same way now that he's an ex-spur, but it just crazy to think the Spurs PATFO wasnt partly to blame In what way though do you expect they were to blame? We've already heard TP's comments were the 'last straw' (which is absurd). so I wonder what the PATFO is said to have done. They didn't acquiesce enough to the player they paid $20 million to? They had the gall to want to observe how his progress was going? Looks to me like they coddled him and let him do whatever he and his uncle wanted. Pop was very kind in his statements after Kawhi was gone. I mean it's hard to see what more the PATFO could have done for him, other than to just offer him the max without having a clue about his rehabilitation...

[GusT15]

I mean its weird because he probably knows some of those guys in the lockeroom hate kawhi :lol

He knows the ownership and PATFO hate him.

so pretty ballsy for Marco to show appreciation to Spurs Public enemy 1..

With a Klaw sign too :wow

Tbh Ownership and some people from PATFO definitely hate Nephew and even more than him,hate the Unkle.

For the teammates i wouldn't call it hate.It would be more like huge disappointment and frustration.

The employer/employee relationship is nothing like the brotherhood of the locker room.One part feels like he hurt the business the other part feel like they got betrayed from a family member.

So for Marco,he's a family member that didn't betray him.

[HarlemHeat37]

We will find out on an episode of 30 for 30. Franchises always play to the media that players are the villain but 15-20 years later we always find out its the team’s fault. Happened with vince in Toronto, Zo in Charlotte and Shaq in Orlando. I have patience, but the truth WILL come out. Anyone dumb enough to believe a guy who hasn’t said anything in 6 years decides to wake up one day and be an asshole probably belives in a virgin birthing a healer.

My guess is that it's something contract-related, I can't really picture anything else..

Either they were reluctant on the supermax due to injury concerns, maybe wanted him to prove his health on a shorter deal, maybe they wanted him to take less to help the team's future, something of that nature..

I really hope that isn't the case, though..the team that bid against themselves for Patty Mills at 12:01 and got finessed by Pau Gasol should have offered Kawhi all the money and all the years, including giving Uncle Dennis an ownership stake..

[Kurgan]

No, I wanted that, when we had a real number one, LA wouldn't have pouted for getting less touches than him. I want to know that, if we ever get another real number one, LA would be cool with becoming a second option without asking out.

Probably not. He didn't like playing next to Lillard and left the Blazers in free agency as soon as possible. He joined the Spurs in 2015 thinking he'd be the alpha and was upset that Leonard's ascent into superstardom pushed him into sidekick status. Didn't enjoy being 2nd option to Kawhi and asked to be traded.

[Kurgan]

Went for a system player narrative to a Micheal Jordan Narrative.

He's no different than he was in 2016 as a player tbh. Toronto PR really helping kawhi improve his brand.

I love the spurs but they really didnt do a good job of promoting Kawhi.

Instead, they put him in corny HEB commercials making him look like a retard.


You want to know what players felt about what Load Management did to them? Watch the Danny Green video online where Rudy Gay sits with him before our game this year. It's clear as day what Gay thinks of Nephew. He doesn't like him. End od story. If there's anyone that you shouldn't be celebrating, it's that braided bitch ass punk that stole $19M

Why should anybody give a shit about Rudy Gay's opinion? He's a career loser. He thinks highly of choke-artist/cancer Demar Derozan. That says enough about his evaluation of other players. Seems to love inefficient chuckers like himself. Maybe they can wrangle Carmelo on the team and make San Antonio the home of every unwanted player in the league.

[GusT15]

My guess is that it's something contract-related, I can't really picture anything else..

Either they were reluctant on the supermax due to injury concerns, maybe wanted him to prove his health on a shorter deal, maybe they wanted him to take less to help the team's future, something of that nature..

I really hope that isn't the case, though..the team that bid against themselves for Patty Mills at 12:01 and got finessed by Pau Gasol should have offered Kawhi all the money and all the years, including giving Uncle Dennis an ownership stake..

Thanks HH for saying what every single one of us is thinking...

Yes to all three of those hypotheses that you listed in your second paragraph btw.It doesn't have to be an "either/or" situation.

Trying to get a discount on a dude that drove a '97 Chevy Tahoe as a millionaire NBA player ffs.Smh

Fuck him either way though.He still could've gotten his without fucking the team.

[r0drig0lac]

Its weird. Marco Bellineli the only current spur that gave kawhi props for his shot. Everyone seem silent. :lol

Dejounte

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Thanks HH for saying what every single one of us is thinking...

Yes to all three of those hypotheses that you listed in your second paragraph btw.It doesn't have to be an "either/or" situation.

Trying to get a discount on a dude that drove a '97 Chevy Tahoe as a millionaire NBA player ffs.Smh

Fuck him either way though.He still could've gotten his without fucking the team.

Speak for yourself, homie.

Ownership stake for uncle...:rollin

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Probably not. He didn't like playing next to Lillard and left the Blazers in free agency as soon as possible. He joined the Spurs in 2015 thinking he'd be the alpha and was upset that Leonard's ascent into superstardom pushed him into sidekick status. Didn't enjoy being 2nd option to Kawhi and asked to be traded.

You can't be serious? First and foremost, he came to play for Coach Pop. Then to play back in Texas and with Timmy who he had been training with in the offseason before. Then it was to win a championship with what EVERYONE knew was the team's Alpha.

I mean seriously, wtf have you guys been watching and reading, because it's not Spursbasketball.

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Instead, they put him in corny HEB commercials making him look like a retard.



Why should anybody give a shit about Rudy Gay's opinion? He's a career loser. He thinks highly of choke-artist/cancer Demar Derozan. That says enough about his evaluation of other players. Seems to love inefficient chuckers like himself. Maybe they can wrangle Carmelo on the team and make San Antonio the home of every unwanted player in the league.

You think Rudy was the only one to harbor those feelings? Watch the video. It's clear as day they both are crystal clear on the way the GUYS in the locker room felt about the episode that led to the moniker, Kawhitter.

[Twisted_Dawg]

Speak for yourself, homie.

Ownership stake for uncle...:rollin

Let's see....give the Unc a 1% share of the team....1% of $1.5 billion is $15 million. Yeah, don't see that happening. Every super in the league would be demanding a 1% for some worthless family member.

[TDMVPDPOY]

if kawhi ask for 1% ownership for his uncle, u too would trade him monkeyass...

fck the uncle can go eat a dick

[GusT15]

Speak for yourself, homie.

Ownership stake for uncle...:rollin

Dude i was commenting and highlighting the bolded part about the contract.

I didn't imply shit about Uncle Dennis.

I didn't even like those cringy hugs with the Raptors FO after game 7.If that's what he was after,yeah,he wasn't getting that here and rightfully so.

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nte_jExKsUU

[loveforthegame]

Its weird. Marco Bellineli the only current spur that gave kawhi props for his shot. Everyone seem silent. :lol

https://mobile.twitter.com/DejounteMurray/status/1127748563679756288

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvSMZCvOw30

[TDMVPDPOY]

will lol if belli gets traded just for that tweet....

if he does, then it pretty much sums up about patfo autocratic style dictatorship team management

[look_at_g_shred]

You guys don't see? The murray and beli tweets? Robinson's recently statement about kawhi, it's all part of the #Kawhiback2SA campaign.

[ECOV]

with the spurs = his pathway on pace to be goat, maybe top10 when its all sad and done

with another team = still on pace for top15 or higher depending what team he leads to their first championship with multiple awards and stats accumulated

as for the spurs = one of the stupidest deals they ever done in their team history setting them back further...

knowing lma, ddr are choke artists, which team is going to trade for them besides getting rid of cap

Shhhhhhhhhhh

[RD2191]

You guys don't see? The murray and beli tweets? Robinson's recently statement about kawhi, it's all part of the #Kawhiback2SA campaign.

:lol

[look_at_g_shred]

https://nbcprobasketballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/cd0ymzcznguwzdbhnduynddiytjhm2yyzthlmtjjotqwyyznpt izm2mzmduzzjaxnmzhn2exognkyzq4owuxzmy0mzm0.jpeg?w= 610&h=343&crop=1
Fuck man! Where did it fucking go wrong? :cry

[RD2191]

https://nbcprobasketballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/cd0ymzcznguwzdbhnduynddiytjhm2yyzthlmtjjotqwyyznpt izm2mzmduzzjaxnmzhn2exognkyzq4owuxzmy0mzm0.jpeg?w= 610&h=343&crop=1
Fuck man! Where did it fucking go wrong? :cry

Tbh.

[steak n eggs]

If he goes to LA, will there be closure?

[exstatic]

If he goes to LA, will there be closure?

Likely for most people. It will have proved that we would have gotten NOTHING for him if we kept him last summer. If he goes to LA, he was always going to go to LA, and the trade, although pennies on the dollar, was the right thing.

[Johojowhite]

The guys to the right of Uncle Dennis are billionaires in some kind of private Jet business. Uncle Dennis and Kawhi have been seen at their cocktail parties in downtown Toronto. Dennis has also been on vacation with one of them. He has formed a bond with these Toronto businessmen.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6aCMGYW4AARN3G.jpg

[Johojowhite]

This was from a couple months earlier. Uncle Dennis with the younger guy from the first picture.
https://i.imgur.com/H3Ol8EB_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

[TXstbobcat]

Likely for most people. It will have proved that we would have gotten NOTHING for him if we kept him last summer. If he goes to LA, he was always going to go to LA, and the trade, although pennies on the dollar, was the right thing.

I felt like there was closure after the Toronto game here in SA this past season.

[Spurs fever]

I think he'll stay in Toronto.

[TheSpurglar]

lol fan base hates a player

but doesnt hate patfo for their repetitive dumb roster moves every season

It's pretty simple to understand why... PATFO is still a part of the team. They do good things (recent drafts, including Kawhi). They do bad things (recent signings, re-signings). You can dislike some of the moves they make without disliking them as a whole, since they're (presumably)trying to help the Spurs win.

Kawhi is no longer a part of the Spurs, and (presumably)screwed the team over on the way out the door. Hate is a strong word. Just don't want to see him thrive because he screwed the Spurs. Stay in Canada or go to LA, play basketball, never win anything of any real consequence and we good.

[TheSpurglar]

This is factual tbh. Its crazy how people continue to hate on Kawhi. Ever since TIMVP confirmed that Kawhi was indeed a victim, i am slowly but surely starting to enjoy my ex favourite player.

I dont think ill ever like leonard the same way now that he's an ex-spur, but it just crazy to think the Spurs PATFO wasnt partly to blame

But did the Spurs actively harm Kawhi? That's what I want to know. Because if Kawhi (or his group) requested that trade and let it be known they'd sign nowhere but LA, then they did actively harm the Spurs by limiting Kawhi's trade value. Whether PATFO is partly to blame or not, unless they did something genuinely harmful to Kawhi then it's nephew and his group who are in the wrong.

[TheSpurglar]

My guess is that it's something contract-related, I can't really picture anything else..

Either they were reluctant on the supermax due to injury concerns, maybe wanted him to prove his health on a shorter deal, maybe they wanted him to take less to help the team's future, something of that nature..

I really hope that isn't the case, though..the team that bid against themselves for Patty Mills at 12:01 and got finessed by Pau Gasol should have offered Kawhi all the money and all the years, including giving Uncle Dennis an ownership stake..

Not saying these things aren't possible, but lol at nephew and his group if the above was the deciding factor, as their ultimate decision was to sacrifice millions of dollars which they'll never get back for... what? The principle of the thing? How dare they not pay up right away, so we'll wait even longer and get way less? Smart.

[DPG21920]

Uncle Dennis living the high life lol

[Twisted_Dawg]

If he goes to LA, will there be closure?


Likely for most people. It will have proved that we would have gotten NOTHING for him if we kept him last summer. If he goes to LA, he was always going to go to LA, and the trade, although pennies on the dollar, was the right thing.

But if he resigns with Toronto, this thread hits a 1000 pages.

[Twisted_Dawg]

The guys to the right of Uncle Dennis are billionaires in some kind of private Jet business. Uncle Dennis and Kawhi have been seen at their cocktail parties in downtown Toronto. Dennis has also been on vacation with one of them. He has formed a bond with these Toronto businessmen.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6aCMGYW4AARN3G.jpg

Did Uncle Dennis sit courtside in San Antonio?

[james evans]

It's Uncle Dennis bro...he wants to turn Kawhi into the next Lebron...Uncle Dennis has dollar signs in his eyes...his plan is to get Kawhi to a bigger market so he can cash in...everyone knows he has a lot of say in what goes on with Kawhi's career..he could have stepped in and told Kawhi to chill and wait it out until he got paid the super max and then bailed...but Uncle Dennis sees himself as some genius business manager...totally backfired on his dumb ass
we keep hearing about “the uncle “ in he media but that man has said absolutely NOTHING on any shows. I wouldn’t even recognize him if I walked past him in the street. You’ve got to excuse me for not believing shit I hear in the media. Like I said, the truth WILL come out. Everyone talks about how I classy Kawhi and his people are but it was the spurs organization doing all the talking. They’ve said absolutely nothing. Lol

[UZER]

https://nbcprobasketballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/cd0ymzcznguwzdbhnduynddiytjhm2yyzthlmtjjotqwyyznpt izm2mzmduzzjaxnmzhn2exognkyzq4owuxzmy0mzm0.jpeg?w= 610&h=343&crop=1
Fuck man! Where did it fucking go wrong? :cry

That’s the point I keep trying to make. People only giving Kawhi 100% of the blame is dumb. There is more than likely some blame on both sides. But something happened that turned this thing so bad, that his group was hiding Kawhi and even sabotaging potential trades requests. Something went horribly wrong to take the animosity to that level.

PATFO fucked up somewhere too. Bottom line.

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Dude i was commenting and highlighting the bolded part about the contract.

I didn't imply shit about Uncle Dennis.

I didn't even like those cringy hugs with the Raptors FO after game 7.If that's what he was after,yeah,he wasn't getting that here and rightfully so.

Ahh, gotcha.

[HarlemHeat37]

But if he resigns with Toronto, this thread hits a 1000 pages.

That would be a disaster:lol

[Amuseddaysleeper]

This sixers team was better than any of the teams DeRozan faced pre LeBron in 2016

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Likely for most people. It will have proved that we would have gotten NOTHING for him if we kept him last summer. If he goes to LA, he was always going to go to LA, and the trade, although pennies on the dollar, was the right thing.

This.

Plus, this year marks the end of his actual Spurs contract he signed and for which then proceeded to steal $19M.

I'll never forgive that mofo, but I think my energy will not be used on hating him after this season because he was always free to sign elsewhere as a FA.

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The guys to the right of Uncle Dennis are billionaires in some kind of private Jet business. Uncle Dennis and Kawhi have been seen at their cocktail parties in downtown Toronto. Dennis has also been on vacation with one of them. He has formed a bond with these Toronto businessmen.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6aCMGYW4AARN3G.jpg

How Uncle Dennis-y of Uncle Dennis.

Learning this just altered my steadfast view he was 100% headed to LA. Now I'm only 80% sure.

[spursistan]

If the scumbag resigns with Toronto this place is gonna be Hiroshima post the bomb :lol

Honestly, it seems Uncle Dumbass power play has worked with the Raptors (front seat row, feted by billionaires in cocktail parties, last call on load management etc..)

[apalisoc_9]

If the scumbag resigns with Toronto this place is gonna be Hiroshima post the bomb :lol

Honestly, it seems Uncle Dumbass power play has worked with the Raptors (front seat row, feted by billionaires in cocktail parties, last call on load management etc..)

Not even mom, girlfried gets the same seat. His GF and Mom have to squeeze with the rest of the plebs :lol

[Chillen]

Spurs fans want him to go to an LA team and not stay in Toronto. If he stays in Toronto it means that the Spurs situation could have been mended somehow.

[Johojowhite]

Not even mom, girlfried gets the same seat. His GF and Mom have to squeeze with the rest of the plebs :lol
His girlfriend was watching the game from the team tunnel next to Masai Ujiri. She came out and gave Kawhi a hug after the gamewinner.

[Spurs fever]

Making Spurs nation eat shit...

[exstatic]

Spurs fans want him to go to an LA team and not stay in Toronto. If he stays in Toronto it means that the Spurs situation could have been mended somehow.

No. When you're actively hiding the player from the team, there's no fixin' that ish.

[RD2191]

Fuck Uncle Dennis tbh. Worthless bastard.

[RC_Drunkford]

I'd really like to know what caused the rift. Kawhi doesn't come off like an egoistic asshole and him saying he doesn't even want to step into the locker room is just weird. Spurs definitely didn't handle all that drama well, they should've just not commented on the whole thing in public. Pop should've just said he's injured and that's it. No player says anything. But then again he probably said what he said cause he couldn't even get in touch with Kawhi.

I still think it's mostly Uncle Dennis trying to get some major major money out of his nephew's career and being in his ear. Remember the report about the All-Star game when Kawhi had to walk through New Orleans just cause Uncle Dennis didn't want to follow the Spurs schedule? I really hope the Spurs offered the super max, but I can see how you don't want to do that if your player is faking an injury and sitting out an entire season. Still weird tbh

[SupremeGuy]

I'd really like to know what caused the rift. Kawhi doesn't come off like an egoistic asshole and him saying he doesn't even want to step into the locker room is just weird. Spurs definitely didn't handle all that drama well, they should've just not commented on the whole thing in public. Pop should've just said he's injured and that's it. No player says anything. But then again he probably said what he said cause he couldn't even get in touch with Kawhi.

I still think it's mostly Uncle Dennis trying to get some major major money out of his nephew's career and being in his ear. Remember the report about the All-Star game when Kawhi had to walk through New Orleans just cause Uncle Dennis didn't want to follow the Spurs schedule? I really hope the Spurs offered the super max, but I can see how you don't want to do that if your player is faking an injury and sitting out an entire season. Still weird tbhIt was a combination of things; but Tony Parker's comment, and then the team meeting. It seems like that's what ended Kawhi's relationship with the Spurs.

[slick'81]

No. When you're actively hiding the player from the team, there's no fixin' that ish.


But what was so horrible here as opposed to toronto

[kobyz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvSMZCvOw30

I want Bruce Bowen as SAS head coach instead of Pop!!!!!!

[DPG21920]

Spurs fans want him to go to an LA team and not stay in Toronto. If he stays in Toronto it means that the Spurs situation could have been mended somehow.


I want him in TOR. Not only because I want every team that tried to strong arm SA to be punished, but because I would rather him be in the East, get paid more money and that TOR be rewarded for an incredible bold move where others failed.

But IT IS NOT happening. He’s going to LAC and there is already a lot going on behind the scenes for years that will be proven right.

Place your bets now while the value is still good.

[kobyz]

I'd really like to know what caused the rift. Kawhi doesn't come off like an egoistic asshole and him saying he doesn't even want to step into the locker room is just weird. Spurs definitely didn't handle all that drama well, they should've just not commented on the whole thing in public. Pop should've just said he's injured and that's it. No player says anything. But then again he probably said what he said cause he couldn't even get in touch with Kawhi.

I still think it's mostly Uncle Dennis trying to get some major major money out of his nephew's career and being in his ear. Remember the report about the All-Star game when Kawhi had to walk through New Orleans just cause Uncle Dennis didn't want to follow the Spurs schedule? I really hope the Spurs offered the super max, but I can see how you don't want to do that if your player is faking an injury and sitting out an entire season. Still weird tbh

He could have made the most money in San Antonio, so it doesn't make sense why he left...

[Johojowhite]

Place your bets on the clippers if you want to lose your money.

[DPG21920]

He could have made the most money in San Antonio, so it doesn't make sense why he left...

Kawhi could make the most money; that doesn’t go to Tio Dennis. A team like CLIPS or TOR giving him everything HE wants is what the angle is here.

[kobyz]

Kawhi could make the most money; that doesn’t go to Tio Dennis. A team like CLIPS or TOR giving him everything HE wants is what the angle is here.

Still he's losing a lot of money...

[DPG21920]

Still he's losing a lot of money...

Kawhi is; Dennis stands to make more.

[Mikeanaro]

Kawhi is; Dennis stands to make more.
Exactly, and for a retard like Neph uncle Dennis is his pep pep figure.

[offset formation]

I want him in TOR. Not only because I want every team that tried to strong arm SA to be punished, but because I would rather him be in the East, get paid more money and that TOR be rewarded for an incredible bold move where others failed.

But IT IS NOT happening. He’s going to LAC and there is already a lot going on behind the scenes for years that will be proven right.

Place your bets now while the value is still good.

Stuff that will become public?

[TD 21]

I want him in TOR. Not only because I want every team that tried to strong arm SA to be punished, but because I would rather him be in the East, get paid more money and that TOR be rewarded for an incredible bold move where others failed.

But IT IS NOT happening. He’s going to LAC and there is already a lot going on behind the scenes for years that will be proven right.

Place your bets now while the value is still good.

That's already happening.

This team doesn't even have a path to conceivable contention for the foreseeable future, so who cares where the balance of power lies? Why you'd care that that scumbag gets the most money, is beyond me.

It wasn't bold at all. It was one of the biggest miracles/gifts in recent sports history. Any president in that situation does that without thinking (operative words being that situation, so don't bother bringing up the majority of the league). He's had an incredible run of luck recently and anytime that happens, people make the mistake of thinking those involved are geniuses.

[kobyz]

Kawhi is; Dennis stands to make more.

Not more than what kawhi lose...

[DPG21920]

That's already happening.

This team doesn't even have a path to conceivable contention for the foreseeable future, so who cares where the balance of power lies? Why you'd care that that scumbag gets the most money, is beyond me.

It wasn't bold at all. It was one of the biggest miracles/gifts in recent sports history. Any president in that situation does that without thinking (operative words being that situation, so don't bother bringing up the majority of the league). He's had an incredible run of luck recently and anytime that happens, people make the mistake of thinking those involved are geniuses.

PHI didn’t act. BOS didnt act. So to me, it was bold.

[DPG21920]

Stuff that will become public?


Doubtful. But it’s already stuff that has been discussed here. There is proof of Kawhi’s camp angling for LA even BEFORE the injury. Before the TP comments. A year before to be exact.

[TD 21]

PHI didn’t act. BOS didnt act. So to me, it was bold.

Them being a combination of arrogant and stupid doesn't make the Raptors bold. That was a no brainer trade if there ever was one.

[exstatic]

But what was so horrible here as opposed to toronto

Who knows. Uncle Dennis tried his power play here and failed? He'd need to have Kawhi move on in that case, so he can try somewhere else.

[DPG21920]

Them being a combination of arrogant and stupid doesn't make the Raptors bold. That was a no brainer trade if there ever was one.

Probably - but DeRozan was an important figure and there is some downside, despite it being a gamble you have to make, if Kawhi bolts.

[RC_Drunkford]

It was a combination of things; but Tony Parker's comment, and then the team meeting. It seems like that's what ended Kawhi's relationship with the Spurs.

I don't think so. According to reports he told his team mates he'd do everything for them, just not for this organization. But who knows if that's true

[daslicer]

The guys to the right of Uncle Dennis are billionaires in some kind of private Jet business. Uncle Dennis and Kawhi have been seen at their cocktail parties in downtown Toronto. Dennis has also been on vacation with one of them. He has formed a bond with these Toronto businessmen.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6aCMGYW4AARN3G.jpg

:lol Great networking by Uncle Dennis. I'm sure he will be making business deals with these guys next year in LA.

[DAF86]

We could have been less than an hour away from a White, Green, Kawhi, Gay, Aldridge vs a Durantless Warriors series. :depressed

[DAF86]

Should have never traded him in the offseason, tbh.

[apalisoc_9]

We could have been less than an hour away from a White, Green, Kawhi, Gay, Aldridge vs a Durantless Warriors series. :depressed

Yeah that lineup is scary. Gay looked like he was primed for an impact player role. He was ready.

[kobyz]

Should have never traded him in the offseason, tbh.
Should Pop need to resign for this failure?

[DAF86]

Should Pop need to resign for this failure?

What's your take on it?

[Dennis the Menace]

Should Pop need to resign for this failure?

Its a few years too late. He should’ve retired with Timmy. Every second he prolongs it, it just further exposes his deficincies. And he’s oblivious to it, which makes it all the more sad.

[rasuo214]

PHI didn’t act. BOS didnt act. So to me, it was bold.

I agree but to be fair to Philly and Boston they had a lot more to lose than Toronto. Simmons and Tatum/Brown have a lot more value than DeRozan has plus the Raptors were desperate to trade DeRozan whereas Philly and Boston viewed those guys as untouchable. Does Toronto trade for Kawhi if PATFO wanted Siakam and OG instead of DeRozan? Maybe not.

The offer that Philly was reportedly offering was basically good enough to get them Butler and Harris. Covington and Saric (good enough for Butler) + Fultz and Miami 1st (at the time Fultz was more valuable than Shamet and a late 1st). Would PATFO have traded Kawhi for Butler and Harris?

[DPG21920]

I agree but to be fair to Philly and Boston they had a lot more to lose than Toronto. Simmons and Tatum/Brown have a lot more value than DeRozan has plus the Raptors were desperate to trade DeRozan whereas Philly and Boston viewed those guys as untouchable. Does Toronto trade for Kawhi if PATFO wanted Siakam and OG instead of DeRozan? Maybe not.

The offer that Philly was reportedly offering was basically good enough to get them Butler and Harris. Covington and Saric (good enough for Butler) + Fultz and Miami 1st (at the time Fultz was more valuable than Shamet and a late 1st). Would PATFO have traded Kawhi for Butler and Harris?

We just saw Kawhi beat all those guys himself. He was worth it and Simmons was not that much to lose as things stand.

[tholdren]

Yeah that lineup is scary. Gay looked like he was primed for an impact player role. He was ready.

? Rudy gay was the reason spurs lost

[99 Problems]

PHI didn’t act. BOS didnt act. So to me, it was bold.

This had LA flashing red to me. Both had stacks of assets, absolute stacks, but knew enough about a rental situation not to sit at the table with their chips.

[rasuo214]

We just saw Kawhi beat all those guys himself. He was worth it and Simmons was not that much to lose as things stand.

I understand that but the risk is a lot different. DeRozan is a known entity, the Raptors were unhappy with what they were getting from him. Simmons is still 22 yrs old. He has tremendous potential and 10+ years of him and the hope he fulfills that potential is the reason why they didn't risk just 1 season of Kawhi coming off an injury. They would have needed to win the Championship and/or Kawhi to re-sign to make it worthwhile and hope Simmons didn't fulfill his potential.

To put it into perspective it would be like if the Spurs were to trade rookie TD for Shaq in a contract year (pretending the season's aligned). At the time there was no guarantee TD would become an all-time great while Shaq was already a dominant player. Would you have wanted the Spurs to make that trade at the time?

[DPG21920]

I understand that but the risk is a lot different. DeRozan is a known entity, the Raptors were unhappy with what they were getting from him. Simmons is still 22 yrs old. He has tremendous potential and 10+ years of him and the hope he fulfills that potential is the reason why they didn't risk just 1 season of Kawhi coming off an injury. They would have needed to win the Championship and/or Kawhi to re-sign to make it worthwhile and hope Simmons didn't fulfill his potential.

To put it into perspective it would be like if the Spurs were to trade rookie TD for Shaq in a contract year (pretending the season's aligned). At the time there was no guarantee TD would become an all-time great while Shaq was already a dominant player. Would you have wanted the Spurs to make that trade at the time?

No. Tim had shown what he was. Those guys have not. I also get what you’re saying but the odds of Simmons ever becoming Kawhi are small. Same with Tatum. Then to dump a ton of assets into Jimmy and Harris when they pose a similar flight risk (albeit not quite the same)?

[rasuo214]

No. Tim had shown what he was. Those guys have not. I also get what you’re saying but the odds of Simmons ever becoming Kawhi are small. Same with Tatum. Then to dump a ton of assets into Jimmy and Harris when they pose a similar flight risk (albeit not quite the same)?

The Sixers were willing to dump those assets for Kawhi, they weren't willing to dump Simmons or Embiid, which is what PATFO wanted.

Looking back would you prefer to have those assets, especially if you had the hindsight of knowing you could get Jimmy and Harris with them or would you still prefer DeRozan, Poeltl and pick? At the time I was pro-Philly trade package, even more so if I thought PATFO could have netted Jimmy and Harris for those guys.

[DPG21920]

The Sixers were willing to dump those assets for Kawhi, they weren't willing to dump Simmons or Embiid, which is what PATFO wanted.

Looking back would you prefer to have those assets, especially if you had the hindsight of knowing you could get Jimmy and Harris with them or would you still prefer DeRozan, Poeltl and pick? At the time I was pro-Philly trade package, even more so if I thought PATFO could have netted Jimmy and Harris for those guys.

Philly didn’t put Simmons, Embiid OR Fultz in the package. Numerous reports on that. It’s not apples to apples since I would not trade first round picks for Harris.

But, Saric has proven to be meh, so I like DeRozan/Poeltl and the pick to be honest.

[rasuo214]

Philly didn’t put Simmons, Embiid OR Fultz in the package. Numerous reports on that. It’s not apples to apples since I would not trade first round picks for Harris.

But, Saric has proven to be meh, so I like DeRozan/Poeltl and the pick to be honest.


Jimmy was Saric + Covington + 2nd rounder

Harris was Miami 2021 1st + Philly 2020 1st + Shamet (or just keep those assets if you don't like Harris much)

You think Philly wouldn't do Saric, Covington, Shamet, Miami 2021 1st and Philly 2020 1st for Kawhi when they were willing to do Saric, Convington and Miami 2021 1st. Letting them keep Fultz to get Shamet + 2020 1st instead wouldn't have been impossible to pull off.

[DAF86]

If the Spurs would have waited for the season to start to trade Kawhi, they could have chosen between most of the guys they wanted (Brown, Fultz, Rozier, Tatum. Heck, maybe even Simmons or Iving).

[TDMVPDPOY]

if kawhi wins a championship with raptors against the injured gsw?

then all i can is patfo can go eat a dick, shouldve hold onto him and played out the year.... they panicked and loss

[daslicer]

If the Spurs would have waited for the season to start to trade Kawhi, they could have chosen between most of the guys they wanted (Brown, Fultz, Rozier, Tatum. Heck, maybe even Simmons or Iving).

I can agree with this. I think all it would have taken is him having a good 7-10 games before teams would have been willing to offer good packages.

[slick'81]

I can agree with this. I think all it would have taken is him having a good 7-10 games before teams would have been willing to offer good packages.

well never know tbh....no use worrying anymore we have derozan and poodle power now

[daslicer]

well never know tbh....no use worrying anymore we have derozan and poodle power now

Agreed. I'm one of the few that never believed it was possible to keep him.

[TDMVPDPOY]

If the Spurs would have waited for the season to start to trade Kawhi, they could have chosen between most of the guys they wanted (Brown, Fultz, Rozier, Tatum. Heck, maybe even Simmons or Iving).

i think they wouldve gotten more for kawhi, given how those targeted players played this season, all exposed as frauds and hype

ainge hording all this assets, only to end up not winning shit is fail

[Ice009]

This is factual tbh. Its crazy how people continue to hate on Kawhi. Ever since TIMVP confirmed that Kawhi was indeed a victim, i am slowly but surely starting to enjoy my ex favourite player.

I dont think ill ever like leonard the same way now that he's an ex-spur, but it just crazy to think the Spurs PATFO wasnt partly to blame

This is the thing, without knowing more of what happened, I'm having a hard time watching him at least half the time. Some days I hate him (maybe that is too strong a word, so I'll just say strongly dislike him), other days I somewhat like him again, but I don't love him like I used to and I doubt I ever will again (not unless I get more info on what really happened and if the Spurs were the ones mostly in the wrong, then maybe I can get somewhere in the vicinity of truly liking him again, but the way he handled asking out is what ruins it for me by killing his trade value). He was up there with Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili for me at one point during the 2016/2017 season, and if he had of stayed and kept playing like that season and how he is now in the playoffs, no doubt he would have ended up being one of my favourite Spurs players of all-time. Maybe not number 1, but in the top 3 or 4.

Also, I was strongly against trading him before the season started. Spurs should have held onto him and forced his hand. If they got a great offer, yeah, trade him, but since they didn't, there was no reason to trade him as early as they did. Man, I used to agree with Pop and the front office quite a bit, but somewhere in 2006 or so, when he went small against the Mavericks is when I slowly started to question stuff they were doing. Should have held onto him like the Pelicans have so far done with Anthony Davis. Maybe Dejounte doesn't get injured with Kawhi still on the team, and the Spurs could have ended up looking like a very strong finals contender with Kawhi and a full lineup.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Agreed. I'm one of the few that never believed it was possible to keep him.

how do u know?

patfo shouldve traded lma, he was never a spur to begin with
then u had parker and turnoboli who was already on the way out, patfo shouldve made up their mind quick instead of trying to play on with them, let the rebuild begin since the y ounger players on the team were hold back playing time due to pops loyalty to vets

i wonder what wouldve happen, had patfo got rid of lma, parker, turnoboli that summer....instead of trading kawhi... at leasts you can tank and rebuild around kawhi with better picks, or sign another fa


but if kawhis party wanted % ownership... then i can understand the owners not wanting to give up 1%... maybe sell 1% then yes, but not give away free 1%

[TDMVPDPOY]

Also, I was strongly against trading him before the season started. Spurs should have held onto him and forced his hand. If they got a great offer, yeah, trade him, but since they didn't, there was no reason to trade him as early as they did. Man, I used to agree with Pop and the front office quite a bit, but somewhere in 2006 or so, when he went small against the Mavericks is when I slowly started to question stuff they were doing. Should have held onto him like the Pelicans have so far done with Anthony Davis. Maybe Dejounte doesn't get injured with Kawhi still on the team, and the Spurs could have ended up looking like a very strong finals contender with Kawhi and a full lineup.

when they loss to the mavs small ball, is when the dictator wanted to win with his version of small ball, he never got that backup 3 he wanted, he wasted multiple years draft picks looking for that backup pg till the year they landed kawhi trade... from 07 till 11/12 enrique era was patfo wasting tims years with their stupid decision making assembling a roster to compete...

[HarlemHeat37]

Damn, some of you would have actually objected to giving Dennis a 1% ownership stake in exchange for Kawhi being a Spurs lifer?:lol

[Ice009]

Damn, some of you would have actually objected to giving Dennis a 1% ownership stake in exchange for Kawhi being a Spurs lifer?:lol

I wouldn't have had a problem with that. I wouldn't have had a problem with Dennis getting a front office job either.

[daslicer]

how do u know?

patfo shouldve traded lma, he was never a spur to begin with
then u had parker and turnoboli who was already on the way out, patfo shouldve made up their mind quick instead of trying to play on with them, let the rebuild begin since the y ounger players on the team were hold back playing time due to pops loyalty to vets

i wonder what wouldve happen, had patfo got rid of lma, parker, turnoboli that summer....instead of trading kawhi... at leasts you can tank and rebuild around kawhi with better picks, or sign another fa


but if kawhis party wanted % ownership... then i can understand the owners not wanting to give up 1%... maybe sell 1% then yes, but not give away free 1%

Look at my early posts. I was one of the first people to call his injury bs and this was way back in December of '17. I had done a lot of research back then about his Uncle and Impact Sports and was convinced ultimately they were leaving. Uncle Dennis according to ESPN article done by Ramona Shelbourne/Michael C Wright last year had a history of starting shit with the Spurs in the past and seeing what he could get away with. According to the article former colleagues of him describe him as a difficult person to work with. My theory is that Uncle Dennis was poking the Spurs for years and the Spurs eventually took the bait and poked back which resulted in the destruction of the relationship with #2.

You are letting your hatred of PATFO,Parker,LMA, Manu blind you. I don't think PATFO made great moves in signing Mills,Gasol,Parker to those bad contracts but ultimately that was not the reason why #2 wanted to leave. The Spurs were not equipped to handle his entourage which included his uncle. I think that's the only thing you can fault the Spurs for but I don't blame them for that.

Ramona Shelbourne just stated today that the Clippers are still in the driver's seat and nothing has changed. If he stays in Toronto then you have the right to be angry at PATFO but if he bolts it's going to show the truth that he was hellbent on being in LA.

[slick'81]

I wouldn't have had a problem with that. I wouldn't have had a problem with Dennis getting a front office job either.


I wish we knew what actually happend.Guess well find out if kawhi goes to la or not

[daslicer]

Damn, some of you would have actually objected to giving Dennis a 1% ownership stake in exchange for Kawhi being a Spurs lifer?:lol

Not everybody is equipped to deal with the Lebron LRMR type of setup which Uncle Dennis was trying to run with the Spurs. I would have definitely said no in that situation.

[Ice009]

I wish we knew what actually happend.Guess well find out if kawhi goes to la or not

I just can't fully decide whether or not I hate him or like him due to not knowing what happened. It kind of leaves me in a state of flux every time I watch him. I've probably watched about 30% of the Raptors regular season games he played in just to see how he was going, and about 80% of their playoff games just because he's now finally playing some defense. Defense and offense combined is what made me a fan of his in the first place. Didn't like watching him during the regular season much cause he defense was nowhere near his best level.

[DPG21920]

I wouldn't have had a problem with that. I wouldn't have had a problem with Dennis getting a front office job either.

WTF? I would have had a problem with someone trying to strong arm the best organization in the nba when he’s very clearly not qualified.

You think the problems would go away once you give in? No. They would get worse.

[Slippy]

WTF? I would have had a problem with someone trying to strong arm the best organization in the nba when he’s very clearly not qualified.

You think the problems would go away once you give in? No. They would get worse.
Not just that . Easy for posters to say I don't have a problem with it. It's not their money at stake. Lol

Pro teams have a business to run.

[exstatic]

I understand that but the risk is a lot different. DeRozan is a known entity, the Raptors were unhappy with what they were getting from him. Simmons is still 22 yrs old. He has tremendous potential and 10+ years of him and the hope he fulfills that potential is the reason why they didn't risk just 1 season of Kawhi coming off an injury. They would have needed to win the Championship and/or Kawhi to re-sign to make it worthwhile and hope Simmons didn't fulfill his potential.

To put it into perspective it would be like if the Spurs were to trade rookie TD for Shaq in a contract year (pretending the season's aligned). At the time there was no guarantee TD would become an all-time great while Shaq was already a dominant player. Would you have wanted the Spurs to make that trade at the time?

:lol. Tim was All NBA his rookie year. People, those with a dollop of common sense anyway, knew EXACTLY what he would become.

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I can agree with this. I think all it would have taken is him having a good 7-10 games before teams would have been willing to offer good packages.

How many of those did he Load Manage? I disagree. Nothing about holding him until the start of this season would have been beneficial for the Spurs and getting a higher return, imo.

[exstatic]

I wouldn't have had a problem with that. I wouldn't have had a problem with Dennis getting a front office job either.

Appeasement never works. Toxic people just ask for more and more, and when the line is eventually gets drawn in the sand later, they still do whatever they want, in this case, pull Kawhi from the team. Uncle Dennis is a complete shit. My only regret is that the Spurs decided to try to make it work after the trade deadline, passing on Boston’s offer.

[RC_Drunkford]

We could have been less than an hour away from a White, Green, Kawhi, Gay, Aldridge vs a Durantless Warriors series. :depressed

that core could 3-peat. Add Murray and Walker to the mix plus the usual bench production and we probably getting another 5 banners to the 5 we already got :pctoss Fuck Uncle Dennis

[BSfromTX]

That’s the point I keep trying to make. People only giving Kawhi 100% of the blame is dumb. There is more than likely some blame on both sides. But something happened that turned this thing so bad, that his group was hiding Kawhi and even sabotaging potential trades requests. Something went horribly wrong to take the animosity to that level.

PATFO fucked up somewhere too. Bottom line.

Why did Kawhi want out? Nobody knows. Could be just as much the Spurs fault if not more. I can give you that.

Who handled it poorly? So far Kawhi. Perhaps the truth might make it understandable, but how he handled the whole thing is hard to defend. I don't hold a grudge or blame him for doing whatever he feels is best for himself. I just feel like you have to treat people right along the way. Spurs have a solid track record of treating players fair, so it really is hard to defend Kawhi on HOW HE HANDLED IT.

[TDMVPDPOY]

that core could 3-peat. Add Murray and Walker to the mix plus the usual bench production and we probably getting another 5 banners to the 5 we already got :pctoss Fuck Uncle Dennis

do u think pop gives a shit about 5 more championships? u either win his way, or its the highway.... just like how he tried to overcoach himself by subbing td out of a winning last possession game...how stupid was that?

[Spurs fever]

I still want to like him, but him not supporting his teammates during the playoffs just be seen with Magic Johnson a week later sucked. I would take him back if I could. I see Spurs great like Robinson and Bowen praising him so hopefully some fences are being mended. Sean Elliot hates him lol

[james evans]

I still don't have a problem with him. I've watched 3 raptor games this season. The 2 against us and game 7 against the Sixers. Since Pop is the greatest coach ever that made him, he should easily just make another Leonard. Walker should be an mvp candidate in 4 years..

[exstatic]

I still want to like him, but him not supporting his teammates during the playoffs just be seen with Magic Johnson a week later sucked. I would take him back if I could. I see Spurs great like Robinson and Bowen praising him so hopefully some fences are being mended. Sean Elliot hates him lol

He's never coming back.

[Ice009]

WTF? I would have had a problem with someone trying to strong arm the best organization in the nba when he’s very clearly not qualified.

You think the problems would go away once you give in? No. They would get worse.

Who says you can't fire Dennis and trade Kawhi? I would have went with the front office job offer, I probably wouldn't have offered the 1% ownership, though. That would have been a last resort. If you just simply gave him a front office job, you could always fire him and then trade Kawhi. Giving him 1% stake in ownership would have been tricky, though. As Exstatic said, it's hard to appease someone that is likely to keep asking for more and more. It freaking sucks watching him dominate for another team, though, especially when this team with him could have been a great, great team, definitely better than the Raptors IMO.

[exstatic]

Who says you can't fire Dennis and trade Kawhi? I would have went with the front office job offer, I probably wouldn't have offered the 1% ownership, though. That would have been a last resort. If you just simply gave him a front office job, you could always fire him and then trade Kawhi. Giving him 1% stake in ownership would have been tricky, though. As Exstatic said, it's hard to appease someone that is likely to keep asking for more and more. It freaking sucks watching him dominate for another team, though, especially when this team with him could have been a great, great team, definitely better than the Raptors IMO.

The thing is, he likely won't be with THAT team soon, either. He's just a merc, and I can't ever get behind that type of player.

[JeffDuncan]

Damn, some of you would have actually objected to giving Dennis a 1% ownership stake in exchange for Kawhi being a Spurs lifer?:lol

If you're being sarcastic, that's a good one. As a serious idea it's obviously loopy.

So you give UnkaD an ownership share, and Leonard stays. Then in the first game of the season, Leonard does a Murray, but even worse, and totally tears up a knee, and it ends his career. Now you have no Kawhi, but you still have UnkaD there in the office, and you can't get rid of him since he's a part owner.
Which makes you the dumbest schmuck in the history of sports. You gave away an ownership share for absolutely nothing.

But you were just kidding.

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If you're being sarcastic, that's a good one. As a serious idea it's obviously loopy.

So you give UnkaD an ownership share, and Leonard stays. Then in the first game of the season, Leonard does a Murray, but even worse, and totally tears up a knee, and it ends his career. Now you have no Kawhi, but you still have UnkaD there in the office, and you can't get rid of him since he's a part owner.
Which makes you the dumbest schmuck in the history of sports. You gave away an ownership share for absolutely nothing.

But you were just kidding.

I certainly hope he was. In fact that's why I didnt respond already.

[LkrFan]

Fresh new calf tat:
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[slick'81]

I hope the bucks destroy the raptors

[ZeusWillJudge]

Fresh new calf tat:



LOL. That's a pic of Kawhi waiting for help wiping his ass.

[JeffDuncan]

Definitely a highlight reel squat. One of the great squats in sports history. I don't think even Michael Jordan ever squatted better.

[Brazil]

I hope the bucks destroy the raptors

I'm not gonna lie, I'm going to be massively butthurt if they reach the finals... :lol

[Twisted_Dawg]

My guess is that it's something contract-related, I can't really picture anything else..

Either they were reluctant on the supermax due to injury concerns, maybe wanted him to prove his health on a shorter deal, maybe they wanted him to take less to help the team's future, something of that nature..

I really hope that isn't the case, though..the team that bid against themselves for Patty Mills at 12:01 and got finessed by Pau Gasol should have offered Kawhi all the money and all the years,including giving Uncle Dennis an ownership stake..


Speak for yourself, homie.

Ownership stake for uncle...:rollin


Let's see....give the Unc a 1% share of the team....1% of $1.5 billion is $15 million. Yeah, don't see that happening. Every super in the league would be demanding a 1% for some worthless family member.




.....but if kawhis party wanted % ownership... then i can understand the owners not wanting to give up 1%... maybe sell 1% then yes, but not give away free


Damn, some of you would have actually objected to giving Dennis a 1% ownership stake in exchange for Kawhi being a Spurs lifer?:lol


HarlemHeat suggested the Spurs should have given Uncle Penis an ownership stake, and now in the world of internet message boards its almost factual.

[Dennis the Menace]

WTF? I would have had a problem with someone trying to strong arm the best organization in the nba when he’s very clearly not qualified.

You think the problems would go away once you give in? No. They would get worse.

Were the Spurs perceived of this status prior to Tim Duncan? Would the Spurs be perceived as the best organization in the world had they not drafted Tim Duncan? Or if Tim had left for Orlando? I think this organization has been pumped up too high with “can do no wrong” status. Tim Duncan has been the main ingredient.

Lets propose this. During free agency with Tim leaning to Orlando, would you offer him/his family 1% ownership stake to keep him? I can’t think of many Spurs fans that would say no.

In this case Kawhi is the second coming of Michael Jordan and from a talent perspective, if the goal is to actually win championships then ownership stake should have been considered. That’s if it was the primary hiccup in retaining him.

[Joseph Kony]

:lol you people are really dumb if you think the spurs should have offered uncle dennis a stake in the ownership, something that has literally never happened before

[Joseph Kony]

by this time we should already know what happened. spurs didnt offer the supermax. nephew/uncle wanted it, spurs wanted to see him play first before handing out a supermax and committing 40% of the cap to a chronically injured player. nephew/uncle knew he has a degenerative condition as the spurs initially thought and knew he would need load management for the rest of his career and tried to strong arm the spurs and things fell apart completely from there. in hindsight it looks really stupid. but if the spurs committed 40+ million a year to someone who is chronically injured y'all would be whining about the FO getting suckered by uncle dennis either way

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

This is lame that people have some inside info and will not share a bit of it, especially when the person is stating Kawhi was the victim. I know that I heard he wanted out Before they started using his injury as the reason. The funny thing about that off season was he was in China for most of it climbing the great wall and doing promotional work for team Jordan with Aldridge and Jimmy Butler. Then right when training camp started he had injury issues.

I wish whoever had a little bit of info would just give a hint what the front office did? He doesn't seem to have an issue with Pop so he might have an issue with RC or the actual owners

[Dverde]

Nephew can suck it. He has bad karma coming to him. You don’t give up on your team and get rewarded for it.

[BillMc]

by this time we should already know what happened. spurs didnt offer the supermax. nephew/uncle wanted it, spurs wanted to see him play first before handing out a supermax and committing 40% of the cap to a chronically injured player. nephew/uncle knew he has a degenerative condition as the spurs initially thought and knew he would need load management for the rest of his career and tried to strong arm the spurs and things fell apart completely from there. in hindsight it looks really stupid. but if the spurs committed 40+ million a year to someone who is chronically injured y'all would be whining about the FO getting suckered by uncle dennis either way

Don't disagree with you (in fact, totally agree with you), but for what it is worth, Brian Windhorst wrote that the Spurs DID offer the Supermax at the very end. Consider the source, of course.

[slick'81]

Nephew can suck it. He has bad karma coming to him. You don’t give up on your team and get rewarded for it.


He has so far.hopefully his good fortune runs out vs the bucks because if he reaches the finals in his first season in tor the jordan comparisons will never stop

[tholdren]

Didnt robinson score 71 on 40 shots and kl scored 40 on 40 shots? And robinson did it when you could play defense.

[azarel]

Didnt robinson score 71 on 40 shots and kl scored 40 on 40 shots? And robinson did it when you could play defense.

that was the very last game of the season where he won the scoring title over shaq right? shaq was real salty about it cos he scored 36 pts or something in the final game and he thought he had the scoring title in the bag.

[ShutUp SayItAgain!]

that was the very last game of the season where he won the scoring title over shaq right? shaq was real salty about it cos he scored 36 pts or something in the final game and he thought he had the scoring title in the bag.

Shaq is still salty about it lol