***OFFICIAL KAWHI RELATED NEWS Thread***

[Mikeanaro]

with all due respect, don't raise up Manu more than he deserves, it's only bring antagonism towards him, don't ever put him in the same breath as Timmy..
And you should very much miss kawhi, once in a lifetime player, the one player who's really the closest thing to Timmy, and also great, humble man that you want to identify with... Don't believe what you heard on media about him, he was really hurt and needed to take a year off to work on his body, blame pop for causing him to leave, kawhi had good reasons!
Yeah, because you know him in person, right?

[emanueldavidginobili]

Kawhi is averaging 38 PPG on 62% shooting so far this series.


Jordan averaged over 35 on 60% shooting in one playoff series.


LeBron has never done it.


Durant has never done it.


Kobe never did it.


We are witnessing truly one of the best series by a perimeter player.


Ever.

[daslicer]

I've been watching also, and since the series doesn't affect the Spurs, I can watch more objectively with no emotion. All I can say is both teams, particularly Philly, has several low basketball IQ players making stupid turnovers, bad shot selection and playing hero ball.

Agreed. A few observations I made from this game is:

1. Embiid is starting to look like a guy that's whose reliability is always going to have a question mark. I heard today he was suffering from another type of illness or I think it could have been his knee. This guy is hurt too often.
2. Embiid missing his freethrows down the stretch with the rest of the Sixers squad contributed heavily to this loss. If they just made the freethrows then they win.
3. Sixers had a chance to blow the game open I believe in the third when they were up 7-8 points until Monroe committed a bunch of stupid fouls on Danny Green along with getting a T stopped the momentum. Monroe clearly gets the dumbass of the game award.
4. Reddick and Butler played with a lot of heart and showed up but the rest of the team was MIA.
5. I can't see the Raptors wining a title with this current team even if they get by the Sixers. They are poorly constructed. Lowry,Gasol, and Siakam are all too inconsistent for any of them to be a number 2 option. #2 has to go off for 30 plus points every game for them to have a chance to win. I can't see this working against the Bucks or Warriors.
6. This series is still close and could go 7. Both teams are evenly matched. If the Sixers got a few lucky bounces today than they could have won. Sixers still have a chance of winning the series since both teams like you mentioned have a bunch of stupid low IQ ballers.

[GreekSpursfan]

Let me tell you a story about Rob Diaz...

He is participating in online forums both here and in RealGM,for the past 7 years,posting frequently,as a Spurs fan.
Going to war in the other forum against people talking down about the Spurs,trolling other people to the point of being warned with permanent ban over there.

While he's carrying the Spurs colors and banner with pride,one unmemorable morning of last year,one Kawhi Leonard decides to ask for a trade from the Spurs.
The one who will forever be known as Nephew is eventually traded to the Toronto Raptors.

One Rob Diaz,this wonderful gentleman,puts down his Spurs Banner at that forum,changes his colors to the Raptors red and goes on very naturally to participate in the Raptor Forum over there as a long time Raptors Fan.

So...yeah... Don't worry about Rob.He's just trolling,don't feed the troll man.

The fact that i'm a spring chicken on this forum doesn't mean that i wasn't reading it long before i joined to check about any Spurs news. 2004-2005 was the season i became a Spurs fan. So, only by reading his comments for so long i pretty much know how he thinks and operates tbh.

[Uriel]

As I have been saying from the start, we should've kept Kawhi, won 60 games, made the WCF this year, and offered him the supermax in the summer. There's no way he would've walked away from that.

[TXstbobcat]

He wanted to leave and he wanted to go back home to CA. The super max wasn’t going to change anything.

[RD2191]

Let me tell you a story about Rob Diaz...

He is participating in online forums both here and in RealGM,for the past 7 years,posting frequently,as a Spurs fan.
Going to war in the other forum against people talking down about the Spurs,trolling other people to the point of being warned with permanent ban over there.

While he's carrying the Spurs colors and banner with pride,one unmemorable morning of last year,one Kawhi Leonard decides to ask for a trade from the Spurs.
The one who will forever be known as Nephew is eventually traded to the Toronto Raptors.

One Rob Diaz,this wonderful gentleman,puts down his Spurs Banner at that forum,changes his colors to the Raptors red and goes on very naturally to participate in the Raptor Forum over there as a long time Raptors Fan.

So...yeah... Don't worry about Rob.He's just trolling,don't feed the troll man.

:wakeup

[apalisoc_9]

I know me and carlos have our differences but RD2191 is one of the long time posters in spurstalk and is a real spursfans.

I dont get the hate.

[LkrFan]

1125217536658767878

:wow

[Clipper Nation]

Kawhi is averaging 38 PPG on 62% shooting so far this series.


Jordan averaged over 35 on 60% shooting in one playoff series.


LeBron has never done it.


Durant has never done it.


Kobe never did it.


We are witnessing truly one of the best series by a perimeter player.


Ever.
Just think: this time last year, Porker (benched by an Eastern Conference lottery team) was questioning his manhood.

[Clipper Nation]

1125217536658767878

:wow

All the more reason why Kawhi needs to leave that team. He carries these scrubs with LeGOAT-like performances and they insult him for it by comparing him to role players.

[offset formation]

This can't be true:
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1) Traded away your franchise player just as he enters his prime...

2) ...for Dumbar DeFrozen

3) No OG in return

4) No Siakam in return

5) And you PAID $5 milli rocks!?!?

Pop is the Kwame Brown of GMs :lol

How many straight seasons has it been since you last had a playoff team, again?

[GusT15]

:wow


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNGv-GSwOV0

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1103535931980623873

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[spurs10]

Rumor is Tony banged his wife and she told him that Tony was better than him .....and his uncle. At least that's what I heard! :stirpot:

[duncan2k5]

Let's say that's true, just for the sake of argument. That nephew was hurt, didn't trust the Spurs docs and wanted more opinions after playing in pain. The Spurs then behave in a way that he doesn't like, as you say, "like a psycho girlfriend" by making up crazy scenarios and talking shit.


Kawhi and his people then make it publicly known that he wants to be traded, and will only sign long-term in Los Angeles, making it impossible for the Spurs to get anything close to equal value. Doesn't that count as "doing something" to the Spurs? Honest question.

U left out a LOT of things the Spurs definitely did while talking about everything Kawhi's team ALLEGEDLY did

[duncan2k5]

Everyone knows he faked his damn injury and lied. Anyone saying anything different is delusional. And I can't stand Pop or the front office, but it's obvious Kawhi lied like a motherfucker and fucked over his team. I will never forget. Hope he loses, I'll be laughing.

U can't say he faked am injury, then say he is injury prone because he sat out games in Toronto... When he played those 9 games for us, ppl on here were saying he is clearly injured and needs to sit

[duncan2k5]

:lol Spurs
:lol culture over talent
:lol 2 more years of Patty taking Derricks minutes
:lol depression crying in another Jack in the Box

Not gonna lie... The last one made me laugh out loud... Lol

[ZeusWillJudge]

Let me tell you a story about Rob Diaz...


He is participating in online forums both here and in RealGM,for the past 7 years,posting frequently,as a Spurs fan.


If we paid you extra, could you be a little more effeminate?

[ZeusWillJudge]

U can't say he faked am injury, then say he is injury prone because he sat out games in Toronto... When he played those 9 games for us, ppl on here were saying he is clearly injured and needs to sit

His first four seasons in SA, he averaged 63 games. That seems pretty injury prone for a young guy. AND he faked an injury here that last season. He could have played more than 9 games.

He's a great player when he's healthy, but fuck him. I don't have any good wishes for him, and I'm not going to shed any tears for him if his injury problems recur.

[Blackhaus]

Fuck I hate nephew....hate hate hate

[duncan2k5]

Kawhi wanted a trade. And he probably would have left anyway, but theres plenty of talk already that suggest the spurs didnt want to offer the supermax because of the question mark of his injury.

Sure kawhi would have left eventually..Maybe.

But the spurs were also too arrogant to realize players run franchises. So they opted not to offer the max.

This

[DAF86]

1125217536658767878

:wow

That's an insult. It's pretty clear that Kawhi >>> Kobe already.

[DeRozan m8]

He wanted to leave and he wanted to go back home to CA. The super max wasn’t going to change anything.

Exactly.

It's like people also forgot last season already.

Dude fucking cucked us so we cucked him back.

[duncan2k5]

Guys I get kawhi is really good but he wanted out of SA, y’all act like SA didn’t want him lol :lmao how many times have the spurs traded a star player!? Pop 2 years ago in the playoffs said he thought kawhi was the best player in the league. Kawhi and his camp obviously told the spurs they were not planning on resigning in SA so the spurs got the best trade that they could

They didn't want him... They didn't offer him the supermax, which he deserved... Injured Kawhi is better than most players who currently have a supermax or will get one this year....

Let's not forget last summer even the media gave up trying to send Kawhi to LA when everyone thought Kawhi was going to re-sign after they reported he and Pop were talking and on good terms... Everything went to shit when he wasn't offered the supermax... Spurs arrogance

[GusT15]

If we paid you extra, could you be a little more effeminate?

Nah,don't think so.

What was the problem? Was i slapping your wife's ass a bit too hard? Don't worry,she likes it.

(Also for the last time,stop peeping and go to the other room,i can't perform with your faggotry ass watching)

[duncan2k5]

Kawhi Leonard has offered me as a Spurs fan,less joy than heartbreak from 2015 to 2018,basically from when he exploded as the new #1 option in offense,as the new Spurs system personified till the moment he requested to be traded.

Kawhi Leonard has offered me a round 1 exit in 2015 when Matt Barnes has his balls and dick in Kawhi's face and he was slapping him around in gm7 in LA.
Kawhi Leonard has offered me a round 2 exit in 2016 when Andre Roberson imposed his will on Kawhi's ass when at the same time KD was dropping 40 on the Spurs.

Kawhi Leonard broke down in 2017 (Not just cause of Zaza but cause of his injured,inflamed quad) while having an amazing playoff run and the team went fishing as soon as he went down.

Kawhi Leonard fucked the whole franchise in the ass in 2018,stole about 20million $ and he was then sent to Canada.

So,no sir,i am not missing Kawhi Leonard.Is he a great player? He is. Is he a bitch? He most certainly is.

I thank him for his effort in 2014 and that's it.And he was rewarded in riches for what he did in 2014.

Apart from that,Fuck Kawhi.

Only an idiot who doesn't understand basketball would put the clippers and thunder loss on Kawhi... That's like putting all spurs losses on Duncan... Kawhi wasnt the one tasked with guarding the paul/griffin pick and roll... Kawhi wasn't the one that fell off a cliff (Aldridge was fucking HORRIBLE the last several games in OKC) in the thunder series... Kawhi wasn't the one that couldn't rebound for shit VS the thunder and kept playing David west who was getting manhandled on the boards...

Spurs lost many series they should have won with Duncan at the helm... That doesn't make it on the player u idiot

[duncan2k5]

He's injury prone which Demar isn't and there is the locker room issue, so these two things alone make him just better not far better. Both can't lead a team, they are not cornerstone players. So some people based on those two things might disagree with us.

What locker room issue? No Toronto player has any qualms with Kawhi... They love the guy... The locker room issues with the Spurs were created by teammate fucker Parker, Manu, and all the retired spurs vets who got the call from Pop to talk shit about Kawhi to the media

[GusT15]

Only an idiot who doesn't understand basketball would put the clippers and thunder loss on Kawhi... That's like putting all spurs losses on Duncan... Kawhi wasnt the one tasked with guarding the paul/griffin pick and roll... Kawhi wasn't the one that fell off a cliff (Aldridge was fucking HORRIBLE the last several games in OKC) in the thunder series... Kawhi wasn't the one that couldn't rebound for shit VS the thunder and kept playing David west who was getting manhandled on the boards...

Spurs lost many series they should have won with Duncan at the helm... That doesn't make it on the player u idiot

Only an idiot would keep on sucking on Nephew's dick after all the damage he has done to this franchise and continue to call himself a Spurs fan.

Let me say it loud and clear so you can understand it you stupid sumbitch.

FUCK KAWHI

[duncan2k5]

His first four seasons in SA, he averaged 63 games. That seems pretty injury prone for a young guy. AND he faked an injury here that last season. He could have played more than 9 games.

He's a great player when he's healthy, but fuck him. I don't have any good wishes for him, and I'm not going to shed any tears for him if his injury problems recur.

Are u stupid? He WAS going to play more than 9 games... Pop made the decision to shut him down... No one else... Everyone on here were saying the same thing... That he was playing horrible and wasn't ready to come back yet

[TheSpurglar]

U left out a LOT of things the Spurs definitely did while talking about everything Kawhi's team ALLEGEDLY did

I've consistently only stated one thing Kawhi ALLEGEDLY did, which was backed up by multiple sources in the media and came to fruition when Kawhi was ultimately traded for pennies on the dollar.

Also, I used your own words in citing what the Spurs did, so technically you're the one who left "a LOT" out, which again, is only speculation on your part since you've yet to provide any evidence of what the Spurs may or may not have done. Still waiting on that.

[daslicer]

Exactly.

It's like people also forgot last season already.

Dude fucking cucked us so we cucked him back.

There is no point in arguing with these morons anymore. Just got to wait it out for this clown to lose.

[cpds421]

Never seen a lot of fanboys of a player like a lot of people in here...


Jabari Young was sucking his dick on twitter today. That ###### thinks he’s the best reporter out there. Wish he stopped covering the Spurs.

[Kurgan]

Anyone watch the pregame? They talked about Kawhi's development as a basketball player and it's almost like they went out of their way not to mention the Spurs. They even said he was drafted by Sacramento :lol

[BillMc]

Anyone watch the pregame? They talked about Kawhi's development as a basketball player and it's almost like they went out of their way not to mention the Spurs. They even said he was drafted by Sacramento :lol

:lol Because the Kings are so good at player development.

[BillMc]

That's an insult. It's pretty clear that Kawhi >>> Kobe already.

Dislike Kawhi intensely but he is way more efficient than Kobe ever was.

[gambit1990]

That's an insult. It's pretty clear that Kawhi >>> Kobe already.
exactly what i was gonna say. kawhi = kobe :lol

[Kurgan]

Dislike Kawhi intensely but he is way more efficient than Kobe ever was.

Yeah, the Kobe comparison coming from desperate Laker fans is pretty dumb. Kawhi does have a tendency to heroball but he doesn't chuck his team out of games like Kobe was notorious for doing. He actually has good shot selection. More like MJ in that sense.

[bdictjames]

Kawhi is a great learner, and a hard worker. Has the physical tools. Those combined could make him to be one of the best wing players we'll see in this generation, and who knows, maybe the whole game.

But let's not forget what he and his team did, sitting out the season, asking for a trade. It was not going to work out with the Spurs anyways. I'm glad he's doing better, but WE HAVE TO MOVE ON. He already did, and I'm sure Pop has. Let's not get sour-grapes over this.

[duncan2k5]

I've consistently only stated one thing Kawhi ALLEGEDLY did, which was backed up by multiple sources in the media and came to fruition when Kawhi was ultimately traded for pennies on the dollar.

Also, I used your own words in citing what the Spurs did, so technically you're the one who left "a LOT" out, which again, is only speculation on your part since you've yet to provide any evidence of what the Spurs may or may not have done. Still waiting on that.

Huh?? Do u even watch the Spurs? Parker, Ginobili, AND Pop have been taking shots at Kawhi to the media the entire time! No one has ever seen or heard Kawhi nor affiliated persons say anything... All they went by was media saying stuff... U really think Kawhi wants to play with lebron?? LMFAO

[duncan2k5]

:lol Because the Kings are so good at player development.

To be fair, Fox came in not knowing how to shoot, to being very good in a year

[duncan2k5]

Kawhi is a great learner, and a hard worker. Has the physical tools. Those combined could make him to be one of the best wing players we'll see in this generation, and who knows, maybe the whole game.

But let's not forget what he and his team did, sitting out the season, asking for a trade. It was not going to work out with the Spurs anyways. I'm glad he's doing better, but WE HAVE TO MOVE ON. He already did, and I'm sure Pop has. Let's not get sour-grapes over this.

Kawhi was playing... The decision to sit him was Pop's... Something many of us were saying Pop should do when we saw Kawhi play in those 9 games... Many ppl on here were saying he clearly wasn't ready to come back

[kobyz]

As I have been saying from the start, we should've kept Kawhi, won 60 games, made the WCF this year, and offered him the supermax in the summer. There's no way he would've walked away from that.
How can you forgive pop for doing the opposite? Being too proud and righteous with big ego that lead to us losing one in a lifetime player...

[kobyz]

Only an idiot would keep on sucking on Nephew's dick after all the damage he has done to this franchise and continue to call himself a Spurs fan.

Let me say it loud and clear so you can understand it you stupid sumbitch.

FUCK KAWHI
Man you need being sectioned, you so obsessed and fanatic about pop, you can't see how pop is the one ruined the franchise...

[venitian navigator]

I loved and love Kawhi the player. I don't Kawhi the person and his family group. For as much you love money and lifestyle in L.A. when a team does so much for you like the Spurs did you should show loyalty. Spurs choose him while other 14 teams didn't, developed him till the point of making him a top player, gave him the reins of the team just after the title and honor to be MVP of the finals, treated him well in any possible way...till it was absolutely clear he and his group had planned to go away in any case...except, maybe, the case he was offered the supermax and his group had been given the control of the franchise.
You can't demand the supermax with multiple years of player options...this practically means that you're asking for the complete control of the destiny of the franchise (see what happened to Washington...).
You simply can't do that when you are the one playing limited games 'cause of supposed injury reasons and then asking to have complete control of you phisical health...and after the team gave you all the freedom to cure yourself in the way you prefer and to come back in the timeline you prefer (despite teams goals).
The person and his group have been unloyal and ungrateful...its as simple as that.

[BillMc]

I loved and love Kawhi the player. I don't Kawhi the person and his family group. For as much you love money and lifestyle in L.A. when a team does so much for you like the Spurs did you should show loyalty. Spurs choose him while other 14 teams didn't, developed him till the point of making him a top player, gave him the reins of the team just after the title and honor to be MVP of the finals, treated him well in any possible way...till it was absolutely clear he and his group had planned to go away in any case...except, maybe, the case he was offered the supermax and his group had been given the control of the franchise.
You can't demand the supermax with multiple years of player options...this practically means that you're asking for the complete control of the destiny of the franchise (see what happened to Washington...).
You simply can't do that when you are the one playing limited games 'cause of supposed injury reasons and then asking to have complete control of you phisical health...and after the team gave you all the freedom to cure yourself in the way you prefer and to come back in the timeline you prefer (despite teams goals).
The person and his group have been unloyal and ungrateful...its as simple as that.

Agree

Windhorst (take the source with a grain of salt) wrote that the Spurs DID offer him the supermax at the very end.

[Down Under]

Genuine question. Is Kawhi more effective now or in the 2017 playoffs? Obviously he's otherworldy offensively now, but coasting on d compared to when he was was wreaking havoc in 2017. If you compare the playoff runs in PER, TS%, Win Shares, VORP, BPM, everything is very close.

[RC_Drunkford]

He's injury prone which Demar isn't and there is the locker room issue, so these two things alone make him just better not far better. Both can't lead a team, they are not cornerstone players. So some people based on those two things might disagree with us.

what are you talking about? DeRozan is better off the court than on the court. Him being injured would increase the amount of wins as long as he sits out.

Those Eastern Conference teams were absolutely right not to trade for Kawhi, cause it would've only been for 1 year. He could ring in Toronto and would still leave to LA. I ain't mad if the Spurs haven't offered the supermax, why would you when the guy sits out an entire season. He's a bitch and a top 5 NBA player

[TheGreatYacht]

Thread is a lot quieter than it was 2 days ago :lol

PATFO traded the best player of his generation for DE MAR DEROZAN. PERIOD.

[ShutUp SayItAgain!]

Should have sat Kawhi for the whole season instead of paying Toronto to take him

His playoffs performance this year is everything you need to know that his injury was fake and he could have played last year, he just quit and the Spurs let him do it like the pushovers they are

The guy averaged 4 steals a game in his last 3 games as a spur while leading the team in advanced stats on the season

He wasn't hurt even close to that bad. There's probably still people who believe that he has bones growing inside his quads like a mutant and might never play again after this year, :lol:

100%

[LkrFan]

That's an insult. It's pretty clear that Kawhi >>> Kobe already.

Of course. Kobe 85 years old and retired. Kiwi in his prime. :lol

[LkrFan]

How many straight seasons has it been since you last had a playoff team, again?

Am I including tanking seasons? ;)


BTW, when was the last time your team repeated as championship? :downspin:

[ezau]

It's still pretty crazy to think how people here are salty about the whole Kawhi saga. All you have to do is to change your perspective by thinking that the Spurs traded George Hill to win a championship in 2014. It's sort of a rental and the lease is done. Kawhi is still a great player, but he would leave sooner or later because he simply doesn't want to stay here anymore.

[LkrFan]

All the more reason why Kawhi needs to leave that team. He carries these scrubs with LeGOAT-like performances and they insult him for it by comparing him to role players.

:lol

[gilmor2002]

Kawhi is going to leave no matter Supermax is offered or not..

He can't stand being coached by a wise old man like Popovich..

He wants to start anew with a less experienced coach and he call all the shots he wanted..

With Pop, he feels that he will be coerced into a role that he won't develop as a player

[BillMc]

To be fair, Fox came in not knowing how to shoot, to being very good in a year


True

[TDMVPDPOY]

kawhi with load management, still playing alot of minutes with raps

kawhi on spurs with minute restriction, with hot hand...pop takes him out of the game...

[exstatic]

How many straight seasons has it been since you last had a playoff team, again?

And how are De Russell and Julius doin? Hilarious to see Lakertrash in here tryna start shit when their dumpster is clearly on fire...

[exstatic]

Am I including tanking seasons? ;)


BTW, when was the last time your team repeated as championship? :downspin:

What good is it tanking when AIDS just gives it all away?

[offset formation]

Am I including tanking seasons? ;)


BTW, when was the last time your team repeated as championship? :downspin:

Does Season 1 of LeBron count?

Does 5 over 15 count?

[exstatic]

Does Season 1 of LeBron count?

Does 5 over 15 count?

Does the fact that the Spurs have missed the playoffs few times in their history (4 times in 44 NBA seasons) than the current, active Lakers streak of 6 count?

And are they really counting three seasons of Kobe and one of LeBron as "tanking"? :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

Thread is a lot quieter than it was 2 days ago :lol

PATFO traded the best player of his generation for DE MAR DEROZAN. PERIOD.

Air would've been a better return

[RC_Drunkford]

Am I including tanking seasons? ;)


BTW, when was the last time your team repeated as championship? :downspin:

when's the last time your team been in the playoffs?:lmao

[LkrFan]

Does the fact that the Spurs have missed the playoffs few times in their history (4 times in 44 NBA seasons) than the current, active Lakers streak of 6 count?

And are they really counting three seasons of Kobe and one of LeBron as "tanking"? :lol

Oh we comparing histories now? :wow

[LkrFan]

1125402878821036032

:lol

[LkrFan]

when's the last time your team been in the playoffs?:lmao

I know you don't want me to repeat my question. We all know Spurs don't do repeats :lol

[Harry Callahan]

The Spurs didnt offer the supermax.

I've heard that they did offer it. I don't know what to believe because no one really talks who has direct knowledge. It's all second hand into.

[RC_Drunkford]

I know you don't want me to repeat my question. We all know Spurs don't do repeats :lol

we don't do AIDS neither:lmao

[Harry Callahan]

Genuine question. Is Kawhi more effective now or in the 2017 playoffs? Obviously he's otherworldy offensively now, but coasting on d compared to when he was was wreaking havoc in 2017. If you compare the playoff runs in PER, TS%, Win Shares, VORP, BPM, everything is very close.

In all honesty (yes I'm biased) the small sample of sitting and watching him play I don't see him fighting through screens anymore. He poaches passing lanes less frequently. That may be design so he doesn't take shots to the quads like he did in SA. Trying to preserve what's left of his legs now.

[Harry Callahan]

Agree

Windhorst (take the source with a grain of salt) wrote that the Spurs DID offer him the supermax at the very end.

Windhorst - OK - well the Spurs knew #2 and tried to work it out. Too much bad blood by the group prevented a reconcilation. Unfortunate, but I would wonder how much gas is in the tank when you drop $40-45MM per year the next four or five years.

I don't think his shelf life is much beyond two years. We'll see.

[RC_Drunkford]

at least DeRozan is depressed as well watching the Raptors win games without him :lol

https://i.redd.it/rntwhvt8bjw21.jpg

[Play Boban]

Genuine question. Is Kawhi more effective now or in the 2017 playoffs? Obviously he's otherworldy offensively now, but coasting on d compared to when he was was wreaking havoc in 2017. If you compare the playoff runs in PER, TS%, Win Shares, VORP, BPM, everything is very close.
Well, he wasn’t very effective in the 2017 WCF, was he?

[loveforthegame]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/1125208123487260674

[exstatic]

I know you don't want me to repeat my question. We all know Spurs don't do repeats :lol

Yeah, but we do playoffs at a 91% rate. :lol

[loveforthegame]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ekoreen/status/1125425750256050176

:shootme

[TheSpurglar]

Huh?? Do u even watch the Spurs? Parker, Ginobili, AND Pop have been taking shots at Kawhi to the media the entire time! No one has ever seen or heard Kawhi nor affiliated persons say anything... All they went by was media saying stuff... U really think Kawhi wants to play with lebron?? LMFAO

Reading comprehension, do you have it? I've stated one thing Kawhi allegedly did, which was backed up by multiple sources in the media and came to fruition when Kawhi was ultimately traded for pennies on the dollar. This actually happened, and was actively harmful to the Spurs.

As to "shots the entire time", Parker said his injury was "1,000 times worse". Pop said "you'd have to ask his group". Manu said "we need to move on and stop letting the media make us believe he's coming back." This also happened, but was not actively harmful to Kawhi.

So in my opinion, Kawhi is more in the wrong for actively harming the Spurs with the trade request because of, according to you, some "shots" the Spurs took in the media.

[LkrFan]

Yeah, but we do playoffs at a 91% rate. :lol

:lmao

[LkrFan]

we don't do AIDS neither:lmao

:rollin :lmao :rollin

[JeffDuncan]

As long as we're here, I seem to recall that LeBron, playing for the Fakers, lost 3 out of 4 to a wombat.

[Down Under]

In all honesty (yes I'm biased) the small sample of sitting and watching him play I don't see him fighting through screens anymore. He poaches passing lanes less frequently. That may be design so he doesn't take shots to the quads like he did in SA. Trying to preserve what's left of his legs now.
The amount of times he hasn't gotten back in transition this season as well & gives up open shots. I mean at some point there's always a trade off. You can't score 40ppg & lock someone down on the other end while always getting back in transition.

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Reading comprehension, do you have it? I've stated one thing Kawhi allegedly did, which was backed up by multiple sources in the media and came to fruition when Kawhi was ultimately traded for pennies on the dollar. This actually happened, and was actively harmful to the Spurs.

As to "shots the entire time", Parker said his injury was "1,000 times worse". Pop said "you'd have to ask his group". Manu said "we need to move on and stop letting the media make us believe he's coming back." This also happened, but was not actively harmful to Kawhi.

So in my opinion, Kawhi is more in the wrong for actively harming the Spurs with the trade request because of, according to you, some "shots" the Spurs took in the media.

[bic50]

I see the bucks coming out the east. They look so good

[DPG21920]

I see the bucks coming out the east. They look so good

They have a lot of length, play with great energy and have a lot of chemistry. I still can’t figure out how their offense is so good no matter how much I watch them though :lol

But man, has there been a more disappointing team than BOS? I mean, all that talent, all that balance, all that depth and all that hype. They played the regular season like they had won as much as GS and then Kyrie and Hayward are playing so, so bad vs MIL.

[bic50]

They have a lot of length, play with great energy and have a lot of chemistry. I still can’t figure out how their offense is so good no matter how much I watch them though :lol

But man, has there been a more disappointing team than BOS? I mean, all that talent, all that balance, all that depth and all that hype. They played the regular season like they had won as much as GS and then Kyrie and Hayward are playing so, so bad vs MIL.
They did have a lot of hype and I never understood why. Lebron picked perfect time to leave the east. Giannis was about to dethrone him.

[DPG21920]

They did have a lot of hype and I never understood why. Lebron picked perfect time to leave the east. Giannis was about to dethrone him.

I would not count out TOR or PHI. Both have lots of talent, can play great defense when engaged and Kawhi is playing better than Giannis.

Even with Lowry coming up small and TOR bench shrinking, they are still a very capable team. PHI has a ton of real talent too.

[apalisoc_9]

They have a lot of length, play with great energy and have a lot of chemistry. I still can’t figure out how their offense is so good no matter how much I watch them though :lol

But man, has there been a more disappointing team than BOS? I mean, all that talent, all that balance, all that depth and all that hype. They played the regular season like they had won as much as GS and then Kyrie and Hayward are playing so, so bad vs MIL.

Its so good because of dominant three point shooting and a dominant attacker to the rim.

Thats an absurd combination. You're not doubling Giannis? Ok hes shooting 60%. Oh you're doubling Giannis. Say goodbye.

It works because they swing the ball like 13 spurs.

[slick'81]

Get ready for kawhi vs giannis

[apalisoc_9]

Get ready for kawhi vs giannis

Bucks in 5.

MIL is the perfect team. They're perfectly designed to beat toronto. Awesome help defense. They're desgined to stop superstars.

They'll overhwhelm Tor.

Problem with Toronto its all Kawhi..Even if kawhi was 10 times better than Micheal Jordan its not going to work against modern offensive schemes.

Yoi're not winning against MIL averaging 99 pts per series

[DPG21920]

Its so good because of dominant three point shooting and a dominant attacker to the rim.

Thats an absurd combination. You're not doubling Giannis? Ok hes shooting 60%. Oh you're doubling Giannis. Say goodbye.

It works because they swing the ball like 13 spurs.

They have like 2 players that actually play (Mid and Brodon) that shoot over 37% from 3 :lol. I dont think they are that good at 3. And Giannis is a beast, but like WB, you would think you could sag some, even with not doubling, and make things really tough.

They do move the ball and even with mediocre shooting they have good spacing. They have enough shooting from their bigs too to be respectable but they aren’t a team full of a bunch of truly good shooters.

[DPG21920]

Bucks in 5.

MIL is the perfect team. They're perfectly designed to beat toronto. Awesome help defense. They're desgined to stop superstars.

They'll overhwhelm Tor.

Problem with Toronto its all Kawhi..Even if kawhi was 10 times better than Micheal Jordan its not going to work against modern offensive schemes.

Yoi're not winning against MIL averaging 99 pts per series


Everyone all year was going off about how good and deep TOR was. Now? It’s just Kawhi? If that is the case, and Kawhi bolts, TOR is in such big trouble it’s not even funny.

They dont attract FA even with money, they don’t have a first round pick and going from a playoff team to lottery team is a big deal.

[Slippy]

Celtics would of been better off with Kawhi even on a 1yr rental.

[DPG21920]

Celtics would of been better off with Kawhi even on a 1yr rental.

For all the props Ainge gets (he deserves some, not all though) he blew it with not getting Kawhi. Just an all time stupid decision.

[apalisoc_9]

They have like 2 players that actually play (Mid and Brodon) that shoot over 37% from 3 :lol. I dont think they are that good at 3. And Giannis is a beast, but like WB, you would think you could sag some, even with not doubling, and make things really tough.

They do move the ball and even with mediocre shooting they have good spacing. They have enough shooting from their bigs too to be respectable but they aren’t a team full of a bunch of truly good shooters.

37%? Thats irrelevant.

Bledsoe, Lopez, Hill, Middleton, Mirotic are all quick release shooters. Even if most of them dont shot over 37% they only need one or two of these players to go ham. They're offensive schemes are top notch. Most spacing in the NBA not named warriors. And they do it with only one top 5 player.

You cant just sag on Giannis. He doesnt take dumb shots. He just passess the ball back and resets.

[apalisoc_9]

Everyone all year was going off about how good and deep TOR was. Now? It’s just Kawhi? If that is the case, and Kawhi bolts, TOR is in such big trouble it’s not even funny.

They dont attract FA even with money, they don’t have a first round pick and going from a playoff team to lottery team is a big deal.

Because the Post season is a completely different animal. They also lost lots of depth when they got rid of Delon and OG is sick. They cant play Vanfleet because hes 5'7. So thats half of the so called "depth" they have.

[DPG21920]

37%? Thats irrelevant.

Bledsoe, Lopez, Hill, Middleton, Mirotic are all quick release shooters. Even if most of them dont shot over 37% they only need one or two of these players to go ham. They're offensive schemes are top notch. Most spacing in the NBA not named warriors. And they do it with only one top 5 player.

You cant just sag on Giannis. He doesnt take dumb shots. He just passess the ball back and resets.

It’s very relevant to my point. League average is 36% from 3 and they are below that. You said they had elite 3PT shooting.

If a team doesn’t have good shooters, the gravity is lost some even with proper spacing. That’s why I made the comment I did about their offense. I know WHAT they do I just cant see why it’s so effective with the real lack of shooting they have all things considered.

[DPG21920]

Because the Post season is a completely different animal. They also lost lots of depth when they got rid of Delon and OG is sick. They cant play Vanfleet because hes 5'7. So thats half of the so called "depth" they have.


OG was bad all season, so no loss there. TOR is in big trouble if its just Kawhi and that all their guys are only regular season good. Also, all the “it’s the playoffs” is revisionist because again all year, and even in the first round many were enamored with TOR build.

[apalisoc_9]

It’s very relevant to my point. League average is 36% from 3 and they are below that. You said they had elite 3PT shooting.

If a team doesn’t have good shooters, the gravity is lost some even with proper spacing. That’s why I made the comment I did about their offense. I know WHAT they do I just cant see why it’s so effective with the real lack of shooting they have all things considered.

Players dont just react based on some arbitrary number. What's more important than the % is that their players are all capable of going hot. Even if all of them shot 35%, thats more than enough to create an offensive scheme. They dont lack shooting far from it :lol

[apalisoc_9]

OG was bad all season, so no loss there. TOR is in big trouble if its just Kawhi and that all their guys are only regular season good. Also, all the “it’s the playoffs” is revisionist because again all year, and even in the first round many were enamored with TOR build.

Well its lowry, ibaka we're talking about here. They'll probably win against Phil but bucks is a much better team.

[DPG21920]

Players dont just react based on some arbitrary number. What's more important than the % is that their players are all capable of going hot. Even if all of them shot 35%, thats more than enough to create an offensive scheme. They dont lack shooting far from it :lol

That is some serious goalpost moving. There is a huge difference in “they have elite shooting” vs “lacking shooting”.

The point was knowing the guys they have, it’s surprising to see their offense function so well. It was not a knock; it was an observation based on the real talent they do have.

[DPG21920]

Well its lowry, ibaka we're talking about here. They'll probably win against Phil but bucks is a much better team.

I agree with you some; I still think TOR is better than just Kawhi, but man they are getting nothing. It also blows a huge hole, IMO, in the people who say the deal was good NO MATTER what.

It was a worthy gamble, but there is a real downside too. Especially if they gave up their first rounder, one of the top 2 young talents (Jakob) and the rest of their youth isn’t any good.

[DAF86]

It’s very relevant to my point. League average is 36% from 3 and they are below that. You said they had elite 3PT shooting.

If a team doesn’t have good shooters, the gravity is lost some even with proper spacing. That’s why I made the comment I did about their offense. I know WHAT they do I just cant see why it’s so effective with the real lack of shooting they have all things considered.

Quantity over quality.

They might not have any elite 3pt shooter, but all their rotation players sans Giannis are threats. Compare that to the Spurs, who have, at least, 4 very good/elite three point shooters, but many times run lineups where 3 or even 4 out of 5 guys won't even stand behind the three pt line. There's a big difference in approaches there.

[apalisoc_9]

That is some serious goalpost moving. There is a huge difference in “they have elite shooting” vs “lacking shooting”.

The point was knowing the guys they have, it’s surprising to see their offense function so well. It was not a knock; it was an observation based on the real talent they do have.

Its not.

Here's what I'm trying to tell you DPG and why you shouldn't count on % alone to evaluate if a team is an "Elite" three point shooting team.

For starters, we're dealing with mostly role players who will have off nights. Some Nights they will shot 1-6 some nights they'll go 4-6.

Here's what you're forgeting though. In a Game. Even if Lopez, Middleton go cold, they still have bledsoe, mirotic, connaughton, brogdon, hill etc.

They have way too many capable shooters. They only need one or two to go ham. That's ELITE Levelnpf shooting in a game to game basis.

Nevermind that Giannis is waiting to pounce.

Again these players can do quick release three pointers too.

[apalisoc_9]

Quantity over quality.

They might not have any elite 3pt shooter, but all their rotation players sans Giannis are threats. Compare that to the Spurs, who have, at least, 4 very good/elite three point shooters, but many times run lineups where 3 or even 4 out of 5 guys won't even stand behind the three pt line. There's a big difference in approaches there.

This guy gets it.

Giannis is always surrounded by players who are all threats.

You double or triple attempafteethrow...They wilĺl eventually find two out of their 9 rotiational players that will get hot from the three.

Oh stay on shooters you say..

Giannis is going for a 14-18 night.

[DPG21920]

Quantity over quality.

They might not have any elite 3pt shooter, but all their rotation players sans Giannis are threats. Compare that to the Spurs, who have, at least, 4 very good/elite three point shooters, but many times run lineups where 3 or even 4 out of 5 guys won't even stand behind the three pt line. There's a big difference in approaches there.

For sure, I get that; doesn’t change what I am saying. But it’s funny you bring up SA on this particular topic because they are the same.

SA had a similar offense to MIL in terms of actual production. Very different styles, but similar results. Watching SA it was hard to believe they were so effective on offense given their build and style.

That’s what I was saying with MIL. I know they are good. I know they have some shooting. But they aren’t elite shooters which makes it even more surprising they were so effective.

[DPG21920]

This guy gets it.

Giannis is always surrounded by players who are all threats.

You double or triple attempafteethrow...They wilĺl eventually find two out of their 9 rotiational players that will get hot from the three.

Oh stay on shooters you say..

Giannis is going for a 14-18 night.


I get that; I was not saying MIL should suck. I was simply saying that the strategy you have laid out here is somewhat amazing that it works SO well. That is a tough strategy IMO, but Giannis is that good.

I know hes not WB; I said that in the other thread in the nba forum. Was just making a point about how with pretty mediocre shooters if we are being honest and with Giannis really having no outside game, they still manufacture really good offense.

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Well its lowry, ibaka we're talking about here. They'll probably win against Phil but bucks is a much better team.

If Embid wasn't a world class pussy, the 76ers would have won game 5, and they'd be up 3-1. I've never seen such a big talent shy from the big stage as much as he's doing. 7 fucking shots. Sad.

[DAF86]

I get that; I was not saying MIL should suck. I was simply saying that the strategy you have laid out here is somewhat amazing that it works SO well. That is a tough strategy IMO, but Giannis is that good.

I know hes not WB; I said that in the other thread in the nba forum. Was just making a point about how with pretty mediocre shooters if we are being honest and with Giannis really having no outside game, they still manufacture really good offense.

Giannis, Bledsoe, Middleton, Brogdon, Lopez, Hill, Mirotic, Ilyasova. Everybody can shoot, everybody can drive, everybody can finish, everybody can pass. I really don't think it's "amazing" to see an offense with that kind of talent working well, tbh.

[DPG21920]

Giannis, Bledsoe, Middleton, Brogdon, Lopez, Hill, Mirotic, Ilyasova. Everybody can shoot, everybody can drive, everybody can finish, everybody can pass. I really don't think it's "amazing" to see an offense with that kind of talent working well, tbh.

When you are talking about a main guy that can’t shoot and shooters around him that are below league average to me it is. Even if they can all do many things, there is no denying that as a group they are a mediocre shooting team.

[DAF86]

When you are talking about a main guy that can’t shoot and shooters around him that are below league average to me it is. Even if they can all do many things, there is no denying that as a group they are a mediocre shooting team.

Evidently it isn't. It seems like having many guys that can give you average level shooting is just as important (if not more) than having a couple elite ones (just look at the Rockets as another example). Also, it seems like versatility is still more important than pure shooting, as long as you aren't a complete liability on that aspect. Finally, coach Bud runs a great system.

[DPG21920]

Evidently it isn't. It seems like having many guys that can give you average level shooting is just as important (if not more) than having a couple elite ones (just look at the Rockets as another example). Also, it seems like versatility is still more important than pure shooting, as long as you aren't a complete liability on that aspect. Finally, coach Bud runs a great system.

So then you are not surprised that SA’s offense was pretty close to MIL? You seem to be of the mindset that SA needs more 3PTA per game, but the results of SA offense are in line with MIL.

So evidently it isn’t a surprise since we see the result; process be damned.

[DAF86]

So then you are not surprised that SA’s offense was pretty close to MIL? You seem to be of the mindset that SA needs more 3PTA per game, but the results of SA offense are in line with MIL.

So evidently it isn’t a surprise since we see the result; process be damned.

Spurs offensive efficiency did surprise me a little (although, as expected, it went to shit in the playoffs). Bucks' offense, looking at it's personel and system, doesn't surprise me one bit, tbh.

[DPG21920]

Spurs offensive efficiency did surprise me a little (although, as expected, it went to shit in the playoffs). Bucks' offense, looking at it's personel and system, doesn't surprise me one bit, tbh.

Evidently it isn't surprising. It seems like having many guys that can give you good mid-range shooting is just as important (if not more) than having a couple elite ones (just look at the Rockets as another example). Also, it seems like having just a few high % 3PT shooters around mid-range guys is still more important than pure shooting and attempts per game, as long as you aren't a complete liability on that aspect. Finally, coach Pop runs a great system.

That’s how you sound in your rebuttal to me :lol.

[DAF86]

Evidently it isn't surprising. It seems like having many guys that can give you good mid-range shooting is just as important (if not more) than having a couple elite ones (just look at the Rockets as another example). Also, it seems like having just a few high % 3PT shooters around mid-range guys is still more important than pure shooting and attempts per game, as long as you aren't a complete liability on that aspect. Finally, coach Pop runs a great system.

That’s how you sound in your rebuttal to me :lol.

Dude, why so defensive? :lol I was at no moment trying to argue, I was just trying to figure out, with you, why the Bucks' offense is so good. Hence the use of words like "evidently" and "it seems". I was just trying to rationale the process with you. :lol

And yeah, that post you mockingly wrote about the Spurs' offense must hold true too. That's why they were also a top ranked offense. :lol

[DPG21920]

Dude, why so defensive? :lol I was at no moment trying to argue, I was just trying to figure out, with you, why the Bucks' offense is so good. Hence the use of words like "evidently" and "it seems". I was just trying to rationale the process with you. :lol

And yeah, that post you mockingly wrote about the Spurs' offense must hold true too. That's why they were also a top ranked offense. :lol

I was laughing; I was saying I know the Bucks offense is good. That was not the debate. It was that in watching them, for me, it didn’t leap off the screen as to why it was so effective on the surface.

That process is what I was talking about; Giannis not having an outside shoot, a system relying on drive and kicks to overall mediocre shooters. It definitely works, they get enough out of plenty of guys even if it’s not consistent night to night and Giannis even with his limitations is tough to deal with.

Was just waxing poetic about how crazy it is that it came together so effectively. You think all those things I mentioned equal a great offense normally; I’m saying I dont see any other top offense like that.

[r0drig0lac]

Giannis, Bledsoe, Middleton, Brogdon, Lopez, Hill, Mirotic, Ilyasova. Everybody can shoot, everybody can drive, everybody can finish, everybody can pass. I really don't think it's "amazing" to see an offense with that kind of talent working well, tbh.

and the most important: all of them can play defense

[DAF86]

I was laughing; I was saying I know the Bucks offense is good. That was not the debate. It was that in watching them, for me, it didn’t leap off the screen as to why it was so effective on the surface.

That process is what I was talking about; Giannis not having an outside shoot, a system relying on drive and kicks to overall mediocre shooters. It definitely works, they get enough out of plenty of guys even if it’s not consistent night to night and Giannis even with his limitations is tough to deal with.

Was just waxing poetic about how crazy it is that it came together so effectively. You think all those things I mentioned equal a great offense normally; I’m saying I dont see any other top offense like that.

The Rockets have a top offense consisting of a bunch of mediocre 3pt shooters too, tbh. They are more of a surprise to me than the Bucks. Milwaukee at least runs offensive sets instead of isoing everytime down the court.

[DPG21920]

and the most important: all of them can play defense

Ya - that part is not the surprise. While SA and MIL had similar offensive production the huge gap was how much better MIL was defensively.

[DPG21920]

The Rockets have a top offense consisting of a bunch of mediocre 3pt shooters too, tbh. They are more of a surprise to me than the Bucks. Milwaukee at least runs offensive sets instead of isoing everytime down the court.

Anytime you have an offensive juggernaut like Harden (KD, Curry, Bron) it’s less surprising to me. Harden can do everything offensively unlike Giannis.

[DAF86]

and the most important: all of them can play defense

Yeah, that fuels a good offense too. Bucks are similar to the 2015 Warriors in the sense that they have 7/8 guys that are above average on both ends of the floor and can do a bunch of different things.

[DAF86]

Anytime you have an offensive juggernaut like Harden (KD, Curry, Bron) it’s less surprising to me. Harden can do everything offensively unlike Giannis.

Giannis is an offensive Juggernaut on his own right, tbh. 28 ppg and 6 apg on 58% shooting are historic numbers.

[DPG21920]

Yeah, that fuels a good offense too. Bucks are similar to the 2015 Warriors in the sense that they have 7/8 guys that are above average on both ends of the floor and can do a bunch of different things.

Yup. That, especially in the regular season, is where Bucks and Giannis excelled. Their defense was great and Giannis is unstoppable in transition.

[DPG21920]

Giannis is an offensive Juggernaut on his own right, tbh. 28 ppg and 6 apg on 58% shooting are historic numbers.


Sure. He’s very unique. Westbrook averages a ton of points too and tons of assists (although not as efficient). But Giannis has the same shooting flaws as WB. Giannis plays like prime shaq in half court and then the rest is transition. He’s no where near KD or Harden though.

[loveforthegame]

https://mobile.twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1125456304989003776

[gambit1990]

i asked this really early on and never got an answer... can TOR make kawhi part owner as a current player? not large percentage. is that illegal though? i guess maybe not since max contracts + part ownership would be a thing.

that kind of money / value is what could have kawhi thinking twice about leaving.

[gambit1990]

and SMH at the spurs... said day 1 after the trade that they made it too soon.

[slick'81]

Leonard has been nothing short of amazing

[gambit1990]

i've mentioned it before but it's crazy how the spurs managed to underestimate kawhi...

in the media the dude was building buzz about him being the second best player playing (before zaza incident).

[Amuseddaysleeper]

If Parker’s comments really were the nail in the coffin then I’m glad they traded him to Charlotte

[Spurs fever]

If Parker’s comments really were the nail in the coffin then I’m glad they traded him to Charlotte They didn't trade him. He left. They tired to keep him.

[99 Problems]

Celtics would of been better off with Kawhi even on a 1yr rental.

Ainge had his chance. Would have been interesting to see Kawhaha with Kyrie for a season however.

[LkrFan]

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SMH @ P:lolp

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that statement is simply false. Pop just said Kawhi wasn't a leader...that's all. But at the same time said he was the best basketball player in nba...and pulled for him to be the regular season mvp...

[duncan2k5]

I loved and love Kawhi the player. I don't Kawhi the person and his family group. For as much you love money and lifestyle in L.A. when a team does so much for you like the Spurs did you should show loyalty. Spurs choose him while other 14 teams didn't, developed him till the point of making him a top player, gave him the reins of the team just after the title and honor to be MVP of the finals, treated him well in any possible way...till it was absolutely clear he and his group had planned to go away in any case...except, maybe, the case he was offered the supermax and his group had been given the control of the franchise.
You can't demand the supermax with multiple years of player options...this practically means that you're asking for the complete control of the destiny of the franchise (see what happened to Washington...).
You simply can't do that when you are the one playing limited games 'cause of supposed injury reasons and then asking to have complete control of you phisical health...and after the team gave you all the freedom to cure yourself in the way you prefer and to come back in the timeline you prefer (despite teams goals).
The person and his group have been unloyal and ungrateful...its as simple as that.

They were taking shots at him the entire time... U act as if the spurs were so holy... That would piss off anyone

[duncan2k5]

what are you talking about? DeRozan is better off the court than on the court. Him being injured would increase the amount of wins as long as he sits out.

Those Eastern Conference teams were absolutely right not to trade for Kawhi, cause it would've only been for 1 year. He could ring in Toronto and would still leave to LA. I ain't mad if the Spurs haven't offered the supermax, why would you when the guy sits out an entire season. He's a bitch and a top 5 NBA player

He was injured... Pop sat him...

[duncan2k5]

I agree with you some; I still think TOR is better than just Kawhi, but man they are getting nothing. It also blows a huge hole, IMO, in the people who say the deal was good NO MATTER what.

It was a worthy gamble, but there is a real downside too. Especially if they gave up their first rounder, one of the top 2 young talents (Jakob) and the rest of their youth isn’t any good.

That's ur opinion... Most Toronto fans I've seen disagree... They'd rather lose a late first rounder than to keep DeRozan for the entirety of his contract... He definitely would have hampered the growth of Siakam

[duncan2k5]

that statement is simply false. Pop just said Kawhi wasn't a leader...that's all. But at the same time said he was the best basketball player in nba...and pulled for him to be the regular season mvp...

Clearly Kawhi is a leader tho... Kawhi has never bad talked the Spurs... All the talking has been going in one direction from the beginning.. If Kawhi was on the Spurs, Pop would be lauding his leadership by example, and how the on/off court stats prove how me makes teammates better

[Slippy]

Reading Kawhi open to staying at raptors. Probably more news today. Thought the clips were getting ready for injury management.

[UZER]

Kawhi was the main character in Get Out. The Spurs were the white people.

[benefactor]

They were taking shots at him the entire time... U act as if the spurs were so holy... That would piss off anyone


He was injured... Pop sat him...


That's ur opinion... Most Toronto fans I've seen disagree... They'd rather lose a late first rounder than to keep DeRozan for the entirety of his contract... He definitely would have hampered the growth of Siakam


Clearly Kawhi is a leader tho... Kawhi has never bad talked the Spurs... All the talking has been going in one direction from the beginning.. If Kawhi was on the Spurs, Pop would be lauding his leadership by example, and how the on/off court stats prove how me makes teammates better
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[Fusternino]

Duncan2k5 continues to be the worst poster on this board. Nothing new.

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRRKUK01nsU

[GreekSpursfan]

I'm gonna be extremely surprised if nephew stays in Toronto. Even after the Woj bomb i still think that he will be a Clipper at the end of the season.
As far as the current playoff situation, if Giannis manages to hit at least 2 threes a game from here on out(very big if), it's over, the Bucks will win it all and i don't care who Kawhi or KD is tbh. Shooting perimeter shots is important but what you do inside the paint is always what determines the champion, on both ends. Jump shots win games, scoring inside win chips.

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This whole, "yeah the Bucks are pretty good," thing is pretty funny to me. I was the only one on this board talking up the potential of trading for Brogdon and Middleton and/ or Bledsoe and was summarily dismissed as foolish. Lol, that's a horrible idea they said. Only dominated the East with those players, all starters this year.

Feeling pretty good about that recommendation, TBH.

[BillMc]

I'm gonna be extremely surprised if nephew stays in Toronto. Even after the Woj bomb i still think that he will be a Clipper at the end of the season.
As far as the current playoff situation, if Giannis manages to hit at least 2 threes a game from here on out(very big if), it's over, the Bucks will win it all and i don't care who Kawhi or KD is tbh. Shooting perimeter shots is important but what you do inside the paint is always what determines the champion, on both ends. Jump shots win games, scoring inside win chips.

Was there a new WOJ bomb concerning Kawhi? If so, I missed it.

[loveforthegame]

Was there a new WOJ bomb concerning Kawhi? If so, I missed it.

From his podcast yesterday. I know there’s a couple other quotes somewhere but here’s the gist.

https://player.fm/series/the-woj-pod


The Toronto Raptors appear to have improved their odds of re-signing Kawhi Leonard as the season has progressed. Leonard appeared to prefer a trade to either the Los Angeles Clippers or Los Angeles Lakers last offseason before he was dealt to the Raptors. Since then, Leonard has been more strongly connected to the Clippers.

"Kawhi Leonard just felt all along, it was going to take the full year to sell him on Toronto," said Wojnarowski. "It wasn't going to be done in training camp or by Christmas or by the trade deadline. But I do think they've made progress with him. I do think they've made pretty good progress with him from the sense I have. They put themselves in it. And when Kawhi showed up there, I'm not sure he imagined any future in Toronto. I do think it's a serious consideration now.

"Certainly the winning and development of (Pascal) Siakam. I think he's built a good relationship with Kyle Lowry. Neither one is easy to get close to. Two guys who don't let a lot of people in and then you put them together, right?

"And Nick Nurse has grown this year as he's gone.

"I think the Kawhi thing is getting really interesting there. For them to just get through this series and get to a Conference Final, every day is the case you're making. And, oh by the way, 'we can pay you more than anybody else. If you want to be in L.A. and you want to live there in the offseason, there's only so many days you really have to be in Toronto in the snow. You can get out of here. You're on the road half the time. The rest of the year, you can get out of here and go in L.A. and be in California.'

"But Toronto is selling winning on him. They can't sell geography to him, I don't think. I don't think they can't sell weather on him. There's nothing they can do about that. When you have that kind of organization, you sell winning and again, the chance to make the most money."

Also mentioned elsewhere that Kawhi will probably take meetings with both NY teams and Philly. He firmly believes it’s a two team race between Toronto and Clippers though. Not sure he knows anymore than the rest of us considering how private Kawhi is but it’s interesting he thinks Toronto has a serious chance now. He was firmly in the camp of Leonard is going to Clippers no matter what happens in Toronto before.

[exstatic]

From his podcast yesterday. I know there’s a couple other quotes somewhere but here’s the gist.

https://player.fm/series/the-woj-pod



Also mentioned elsewhere that Kawhi will probably take meetings with both NY teams and Philly. He firmly believes it’s a two team race between Toronto and Clippers though. Not sure he knows anymore than the rest of us considering how private Kawhi is but it’s interesting he thinks Toronto has a serious chance now. He was firmly in the camp of Leonard is going to Clippers no matter what happens in Toronto before.

I don't see anything in that blurb that is purported to come from Kawhi or his camp. Seems like a bunch of conjecture on his part. I see this going down one of two ways. He goes to the Clippers this summer, or he signs a MAX deal with Toronto with a no trade clause, and then forces his way out in a season or two using the NTC to go to the team of his choosing, the Clippers, screwing over Toronto the way that he did us.

The reality is that after skipping a ton of games his last year in SA, and hiding from team personnel who were in NY to check on him, he still responded that he wanted to be a Spur for the rest of his career. I wouldn't believe him if he went on the record and said that he was staying in Toronto.

[Russ]

I see this going down one of two ways. He goes to the Clippers this summer, or he signs a MAX deal with Toronto with a no trade clause, and then forces his way out in a season or two using the NTC to go to the team of his choosing, the Clippers, screwing over Toronto the way that he did us.

I would tend to agree with this . . .

[BillMc]

From his podcast yesterday. I know there’s a couple other quotes somewhere but here’s the gist.

https://player.fm/series/the-woj-pod



Also mentioned elsewhere that Kawhi will probably take meetings with both NY teams and Philly. He firmly believes it’s a two team race between Toronto and Clippers though. Not sure he knows anymore than the rest of us considering how private Kawhi is but it’s interesting he thinks Toronto has a serious chance now. He was firmly in the camp of Leonard is going to Clippers no matter what happens in Toronto before.

Many thanks on that.:bobo

I kind of want him to leave so Spurs "win" the trade by default. But, obviously, strictly logically we should want him in the East.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Kawhi and Green must be so happy to escape the absolutely purgatory that is the Spurs.

Once Pop retires we can tank hard and try to strike gold again.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Many thanks on that.:bobo

I kind of want him to leave so Spurs "win" the trade by default. But, obviously, strictly logically we should want him in the East.

I agree with you there Bill. Raptors have always been my second favorite team due to geography but despite all the success of this year's team I still can not root for Kawhi. I'm amazed at his skillset, but I also hope he leaves for LA.

Having him here in Toronto is like having your wife leave you for your best friend and then they decide to move in with you.

[BillMc]

Kawhi and Green must be so happy to escape the absolutely purgatory that is the Spurs.

Once Pop retires we can tank hard and try to strike gold again.

In the meantime can you go to RaptorTalk and start every game thread, bro?

[BillMc]

Having him here in Toronto is like having your wife leave you for your best friend and then they decide to move in with you.
:lol

[KobesAchilles]

2 more wins and I will eat crow :lol
A finals appearance and I would consider myself wrong on not wanting him for the SuperMax. I just don’t see him good enough to lead a team to the finals. But he’s playing like a demigod right now and I’m just like daaaamn Kawhi that’s some shit right there.
Thats why they play the games though. For fans to brag about being right or get shit on for being wrong.

[Dverde]

Ironic that Nephew’s two coaches after the Spurs could be a Nurse and a Doc.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Ironic that Nephew’s two coaches after the Spurs could be a Nurse and a Doc.

LOL. WTF even made you think of that?

Coincidence? I think not. :lol

[Amuseddaysleeper]

In the meantime can you go to RaptorTalk and start every game thread, bro?

:lmao

It worked last time I started one and then the Siakim injury happened

[Twisted_Dawg]

Ironic that Nephew’s two coaches after the Spurs could be a Nurse and a Doc.

So did you hear about a Dictator, a Nurse, and a Doc who go into a bar?

[BillMc]

:lmao

It worked last time I started one and then the Siakim injury happened

You're doin' the Lord's work my friend. :hat

[TDomination]

:lmao

It worked last time I started one and then the Siakim injury happened
Are you serious? Lol you gotta do it again haha

[Rusty]

I hope Kawhi goes to the Clippers. Shai Gilgeous Alexander and Shamet >>>>the entire Raptors organization

then you got Lou-Gatti, MOntrez Harell, Zubac? Stacked

[HarlemHeat37]

I hope Kawhi goes to the Clippers. Shai Gilgeous Alexander and Shamet >>>>the entire Raptors organization

then you got Lou-Gatti, MOntrez Harell, Zubac? Stacked

:lol what a mediocre list of players, tbh..

[Rusty]

:lol what a mediocre list of players, tbh..

better than the Spurs. At least they put up a fight against the Dubs instead of getting swept :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

better than the Spurs. At least they put up a fight against the Dubs instead of getting swept :lol

They definitely play hard and swapping Kawhi/Gallinari would make them a top 5-6 team in the league in the playoffs, but I would expect them to make room for another max player, rather than going Kawhi + role players..

Next year would be the perfect time for a move, as the league will be in transition with Durant leaving the Warriors..

[DPG21920]

better than the Spurs. At least they put up a fight against the Dubs instead of getting swept :lol

Spurs players are definitely better than LAC and TOR players. Kawhi on SA would have a better team and brighter future than LAC or TOR.

We are seeing what TOR has as far as talent these playoffs; not much. Not much good youth either and no real draft capital.

LAC plays really hard and they would be amazing with Kawhi, but without adding more (just current roster + Kawhi) they still would not be better than SA with Kawhi.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Spurs players are definitely better than LAC and TOR players. Kawhi on SA would have a better team and brighter future than LAC or TOR.

We are seeing what TOR has as far as talent these playoffs; not much. Not much good youth either and no real draft capital.

LAC plays really hard and they would be amazing with Kawhi, but without adding more (just current roster + Kawhi) they still would not be better than SA with Kawhi.


The Spurs as they are currently constructed? I agree. At the beginning of this season they had no PG, and the corpse of Pau Gasol at C. But White would just run amok with Kawhi on the court to take some of the heat off of him. Forbes would get a lot more open looks at 3's, and more of the clear lanes to drive to the basket. And Poeltl instead of Pau? I haven't thought what the lineups would look like, but this team could be pretty salty.

But the Clippers have Jerry West in their back pocket, and I don't think they are going to sit still. I think it's kind of weird that Winger was interviewing for other jobs, so I don't know if there's an internal power struggle there. But if they land Kawhi, I wouldn't be surprised if they also come up with another top-tier player to go with him.

The one thing I'm hoping for is that Kawhi holds out until the last minute, and screws their chances with any of the other big FA's. And I can see him and Uncle doing exactly that.

[DPG21920]

The Spurs as they are currently constructed? I agree. At the beginning of this season they had no PG, and the corpse of Pau Gasol at C. But White would just run amok with Kawhi on the court to take some of the heat off of him. Forbes would get a lot more open looks at 3's, and more of the clear lanes to drive to the basket. And Poeltl instead of Pau? I haven't thought what the lineups would look like, but this team could be pretty salty.

But the Clippers have Jerry West in their back pocket, and I don't think they are going to sit still. I think it's kind of weird that Winger was interviewing for other jobs, so I don't know if there's an internal power struggle there. But if they land Kawhi, I wouldn't be surprised if they also come up with another top-tier player to go with him.

The one thing I'm hoping for is that Kawhi holds out until the last minute, and screws their chances with any of the other big FA's. And I can see him and Uncle doing exactly that.

For sure, Lac will probably land Kawhi and someone else; we may see the BOS issue though where more talent doesnt equal chemistry or extra ROI. It could like with GS, but that seems rare.

Kawhi seems to be better with role player around him and any other star taking touches from him is probably a loss. But Clippers landing Kawhi plus someone else that fits well would certainly be formidable.

But its not like sa would not/did not have the means to do that as well. oh well.

[gambit1990]

go wherever just don’t team up with durant or kyrie.

[RC_Drunkford]

Having him here in Toronto is like having your wife leave you for your best friend and then they decide to move in with you.

:lmao


In the meantime can you go to RaptorTalk and start every game thread, bro?
:lmao


Ironic that Nephew’s two coaches after the Spurs could be a Nurse and a Doc.

bruh :lmao:lmao:lmao

those 3 comments are gold

[rjv]

The Spurs as they are currently constructed? I agree. At the beginning of this season they had no PG, and the corpse of Pau Gasol at C. But White would just run amok with Kawhi on the court to take some of the heat off of him. Forbes would get a lot more open looks at 3's, and more of the clear lanes to drive to the basket. And Poeltl instead of Pau? I haven't thought what the lineups would look like, but this team could be pretty salty.

But the Clippers have Jerry West in their back pocket, and I don't think they are going to sit still. I think it's kind of weird that Winger was interviewing for other jobs, so I don't know if there's an internal power struggle there. But if they land Kawhi, I wouldn't be surprised if they also come up with another top-tier player to go with him.

The one thing I'm hoping for is that Kawhi holds out until the last minute, and screws their chances with any of the other big FA's. And I can see him and Uncle doing exactly that.

i'm hearing that klay thompson wants the max from GS or he leaves. i think LAC can manage to sign both klay and kawhi which would then give them a pretty good core. their bench, however, would be pretty watered down.

[RC_Drunkford]

The Spurs as they are currently constructed? I agree. At the beginning of this season they had no PG, and the corpse of Pau Gasol at C. But White would just run amok with Kawhi on the court to take some of the heat off of him. Forbes would get a lot more open looks at 3's, and more of the clear lanes to drive to the basket. And Poeltl instead of Pau? I haven't thought what the lineups would look like, but this team could be pretty salty.

But the Clippers have Jerry West in their back pocket, and I don't think they are going to sit still. I think it's kind of weird that Winger was interviewing for other jobs, so I don't know if there's an internal power struggle there. But if they land Kawhi, I wouldn't be surprised if they also come up with another top-tier player to go with him.

The one thing I'm hoping for is that Kawhi holds out until the last minute, and screws their chances with any of the other big FA's. And I can see him and Uncle doing exactly that.

you forgot the biggest thing: Nobody would double LaMarcus

aside from that Spurs got young talent with big upside on cheap contracts. If Kawhi stayed here this team would have been a top contender for another decade, especially when players like White and Murray approach their prime. It was the perfect transition, but hey he's gone. By the way if you watch him eating dicks with Ibaka it doesn't look like he wants to stay there, Serge asked him that question on the show

[TDMVPDPOY]

i'm hearing that klay thompson wants the max from GS or he leaves. i think LAC can manage to sign both klay and kawhi which would then give them a pretty good core. their bench, however, would be pretty watered down.

Klay thompson besides scoring baskets, can he do anything else? scrub defender man...

[ZeusWillJudge]

For sure, Lac will probably land Kawhi and someone else; we may see the BOS issue though where more talent doesnt equal chemistry or extra ROI. It could like with GS, but that seems rare.

Kawhi seems to be better with role player around him and any other star taking touches from him is probably a loss. But Clippers landing Kawhi plus someone else that fits well would certainly be formidable.

But its not like sa would not/did not have the means to do that as well. oh well.


I was serious about that last part. I could see Nephew/Uncle holding out just to show how important he is - and to make a point about how many other people want him. He could really screw the Clippers if he did that. If you're trying to put together a super-team (or even a semi-super team), timing is everything. And if there's anybody stupid enough to pull a stunt like that, and screw his own team in the process, it's Kawhi/Uncle Dennis.

That's what I'm hoping for right now. To be honest, that's sort of my NBA Finals this year. I would laugh my ass off if he went to the Clippers, but they held out too long for the Clips to sign another top-tier player to go with him. Especially since the ripple effects could go on for several years.

[duncan2k5]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/4eee504ffbefdc4c330b0ac659169489/tenor.gif?itemid=5947663

Not gonna lie... This is funny as fuck... I'm crying!! Lololol

[duncan2k5]

you forgot the biggest thing: Nobody would double LaMarcus

aside from that Spurs got young talent with big upside on cheap contracts. If Kawhi stayed here this team would have been a top contender for another decade, especially when players like White and Murray approach their prime. It was the perfect transition, but hey he's gone. By the way if you watch him eating dicks with Ibaka it doesn't look like he wants to stay there, Serge asked him that question on the show

LaMarcus would pout his way into playing like trash because he isn't the focal point, then request a trade

[Degoat]

Embiid and Simmons still sucking lol

[r0drig0lac]

it's done

[TDMVPDPOY]

patfo picking lma and vets opinion

nephew leaves
patfo then tells the vets to leave

question is why didnt patfo get rid of the vets/retire aka enrique/turnoboli b4 deciding to trade nephew??? they held onto the remnants of the big3 too long, let alone kowtowing to lma who is not franchise player...when u already have one, yet u ignore him..

[GreekSpursfan]

Nephew doesn't even need to be good in this game because Embiid is done. Sixers fans must be miserable as fuck when after all this tanking they end up with one of the most injury prone superstars ever some other nice pieces who might be gone after this season and zero bench. Colangelo destroyed whatever Hinkie built in one season and E. Brand finished the job, fucking hell

[TDMVPDPOY]

Nephew doesn't even need to be good in this game because Embiid is done. Sixers fans must be miserable as fuck when after all this tanking they end up with one of the most injury prone superstars ever some other nice pieces who might be gone after this season and zero bench. Colangelo destroyed whatever Hinkie built in one season and E. Brand finished the job, fucking hell

problem isnt embid even if his injury prone

the problem is simmons who has no jumpshot

[r0drig0lac]

#2 posterizes Joel

[TDMVPDPOY]

just dunked on embiid...

lol spurms, lol patfo

[99 Problems]

It was never in doubt even with their average bench, they have Kawawa.

[Dverde]

just dunked on embiid...

lol spurms, lol patfo

I just watched it. That shit was nothing special. D White’s dunk on Millsap was much better.

[SpurPadre]

I just watched it. That shit was nothing special. D White’s dunk on Millsap was much better.

As a proud Load Management hater, that claim is not something to be proud of, especially after White's inconsistent ass was deservedly benched in Game 7 in favor of Patty Fucking Mills lol.

[99 Problems]

Was on Embiid, but Corey Joseph OKC dunk and about 15 from Manu better tbh.

[RD2191]

Kawhi was meant to be a Spur. Whoever fucked it up should have their knees broken with a hammer.

[GreekSpursfan]

problem isnt embid even if his injury prone

the problem is simmons who has no jumpshot

I didn't mention anything about Simmons because we know he's garbage, we don't anticipate anything from him.

[Hoops Czar]

i'm hearing that klay thompson wants the max from GS or he leaves. i think LAC can manage to sign both klay and kawhi which would then give them a pretty good core. their bench, however, would be pretty watered down.
You mean Woj is telling you? :lol He's geting the max from GS even if it means trading away Draymond Green.

[UZER]

Kawhi was meant to be a Spur. Whoever fucked it up should have their knees broken with a hammer.

Yup.

:lol The GOAT Pop and all his “oh he’s a players coach and everyone is dying to play for him” couldn’t save it.

[Hoops Czar]

Yup.

:lol The GOAT Pop and all his “oh he’s a players coach and everyone is dying to play for him” couldn’t save it.
You've been drinking too much of that media koolaid.

[kobyz]

Pop has to put the keys and go immediately, just for dignity reasons

[timvp]

The hell is wrong with WebEmbiid now, tbh?

[kobyz]

The hell is wrong with WebEmbiid now, tbh?

Glad seeing you and others so bitter...

[UZER]

You've been drinking too much of that media koolaid.

It was sarcasm man.

[apalisoc_9]

Glad seeing you and others so bitter...

:lol

[slick'81]

Kawhi one game away from the ecf

[timvp]

Glad seeing you and others so bitter...

Eh, I'm happy for Danny Green. And if the Raptors do well, that could convince Nephew to stay in the East. Besides, Spurs got 2014 so it's all gravy after that.

As long as the Rockets don't win the championship, I don't really care, tbh.

[loveforthegame]

https://mobile.twitter.com/NBAonTNT/status/1125964223824179200

The laugh will never get old. :lol

[Fusternino]

Disgusting. The next MJ. Bud better not let us down!

[lefty]

Ah good times

[kobyz]

Eh, I'm happy for Danny Green. And if the Raptors do well, that could convince Nephew to stay in the East. Besides, Spurs got 2014 so it's all gravy after that.

As long as the Rockets don't win the championship, I don't really care, tbh.

We lost a legendary player, the closest thing to Tim Duncan, all because Pop and his righteous ways and ego for he sacrifice all spurs fans, and that is your answer?!? you are not honest and should be ashamed!

[apalisoc_9]

We lost a legendary player, the closest thing to Tim Duncan, all because Pop and his righteous ways and ego for he sacrifice all spurs fans, and that is your answer?!? you are not honest and should be ashamed!

KBP going for the throat :wow

I miss your original account. Shame it was unfairly banned by Kori Ellis and TIMVP.

[GusT15]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PlayfulFittingCaribou-size_restricted.gif

:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap :clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap :clap:clap

[TDMVPDPOY]

KBP going for the throat :wow

I miss your original account. Shame it was unfairly banned by Kori Ellis and TIMVP.

put some respeck to these clowns, they know what they are talking about

the truth will set u free

[BillMc]

The hell is wrong with WebEmbiid now, tbh?

All karma after laughing over planting an elbow in someone's face.

[r0drig0lac]

As long as the Rockets don't win the championship, I don't really care, tbh.

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMfFmPbsYPI

[LkrFan]

1126121541949886464

Hibernating on Silver and Black company time? :downspin:

[TDomination]

I'll be honest, it hurts like a mofo seeing Kawhi doing so well in another uniform.

His jersey was the first jersey I bought for my daughter when she was 2 years old. And oddly enough I bought it at the att center spurs shop AFTER game 5 against OKC in 2016 which happened to be Duncans last home game. The torch was passed. We lost that game but I felt good about our future because of Kawhi. I figured it would be a good investment.

He was the perfect Spur. Humble, quiet, lets his play do the talking, and a defensive guru. But then it all broke.
Blaming the Spurs or Kawhi for what went down last year doesn't make me feel any better. Our star player is gone and thats that. Sucks. But gotta move on.

Spurs are still my team. I hope we are able to find a top 5 talent again within the next few years.

[absoloot66]

The hell is wrong with WebEmbiid now, tbh?

:rollin

[loveforthegame]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/253678/Kawhi-Leonard-After-Game-5-Im-Just-In-A-Moment-Having-Fun


"I'm having fun. I've been in the tough battles, played the greatest teams, been to the Finals. I'm just in a moment having fun. I think that's what you've got to do. I've got to enjoy this, enjoy this NBA. I don't want to look back and say, 'Damn. I was too stressed or too locked in to have fun and play the game I've got to play.' That's what I've learned from my past and that's what I take in every game, just going out there and having fun, but competing my ass off and leaving it all out there to try win a game."

[polandprzem]

Well I am surprised ppl here are surprised how good Leonard is.

That was obvious. They guy is top3 in NBA and you can argue the best. I was saying it 2 years back. If he stayed with the Spurs he would be even better. But yeah some here thought DDR is a fair trade... Add losing Danny

[RC_Drunkford]

Kawhi is playing like 2017 Kawhi. 2017 Kawhi was better on defense cause he played like a DPOY on that end while playing like an MVP on the other. Nothing surprising here. I just don't want him to ring, that's all. Media is acting like he hasn't played on that level for the Spurs when he actually did

[ZeusWillJudge]

Well I am surprised ppl here are surprised how good Leonard is.

That was obvious. They guy is top3 in NBA and you can argue the best. I was saying it 2 years back. If he stayed with the Spurs he would be even better. But yeah some here thought DDR is a fair trade... Add losing Danny


All true. And all the more reason for me to say, once again: Fuck Kawhi.

Be a man. Go to management and ask for/demand a trade. And the Spurs could have gotten a truly impressive package for him.

[slick'81]

All true. And all the more reason for me to say, once again: Fuck Kawhi.

Be a man. Go to management and ask for/demand a trade. And the Spurs could have gotten a truly impressive package for him.


It hurts because we got a shit sandwhich offer and took it

[Strategic]

Too bad the Spurs didn’t get a ‘player to be named later’ clause in that trade.

[slick'81]

Too bad the Spurs didn’t get a ‘player to be named later’ clause in that trade.

An xtra pick wouldnt of hurt either

[Twisted_Dawg]

All true. And all the more reason for me to say, once again: Fuck Kawhi.

Be a man. Go to management and ask for/demand a trade. And the Spurs could have gotten a truly impressive package for him.

The absolute worst trade the Spurs have ever made. If anybody can name a worst trade the franchise has ever made, speak up.

[Twisted_Dawg]

Too bad the Spurs didn’t get a ‘player to be named later’ clause in that trade.

What didn't get mentioned much was that had Toronto finished in the top 20, we don't get their 2019 #1, but get two future #2s. What kind of fucking idiots would agree to that? Not to mention agreeing to send them $5 million.

[slick'81]

The absolute worst trade the Spurs have ever made. If anybody can name a worst trade the franchise has ever made, speak up.


Scola for jackie butler!? Rodman for perdue!?derek anderson for steve smith?

[UZER]

Scola for jackie butler!? Rodman for perdue!?derek anderson for steve smith?

Kawhi for Mills and Gasol!?

[slick'81]

Kawhi for Mills and Gasol!?

The fact they wasted a max slot on those two still hurts

[cd98]

Damn Kawhi is good. I can't watch highlights of those games.

[timvp]

We lost a legendary player, the closest thing to Tim Duncan, all because Pop and his righteous ways and ego for he sacrifice all spurs fans, and that is your answer?!? you are not honest and should be ashamed!

I have a history of openly admitting when things still hurt, tbh :lol

Losing Nephew obviously sucks but, eh, welcome to the real NBA. Not all superstars are cut from the David Robinson and Tim Duncan cloth. Small market teams being able to keep a superstar for the duration of his career is an exception not the rule.

2013 hurt.

1995 hurt.

Ownership being too cheap to trade Terry Cummings and Willie Anderson for Charles Barkley hurt.

Elliott needing a kidney transplant right after the 1999 championship hurt.

Trading away a disgruntled superstar who stopped supporting his teammates and wanted out? Unfortunate but that's part of the NBA.

[Maddog]

I have a history of openly admitting when things still hurt, tbh :lol

Losing Nephew obviously sucks but, eh, welcome to the real NBA. Not all superstars are cut from the David Robinson and Tim Duncan cloth. Small market teams being able to keep a superstar for the duration of his career is an exception not the rule.

2013 hurt.

1995 hurt.

Ownership being too cheap to trade Terry Cummings and Willie Anderson for Charles Barkley hurt.

Elliott needing a kidney transplant right after the 1999 championship hurt.

Trading away a disgruntled superstar who stopped supporting his teammates and wanted out? Unfortunate but that's part of the NBA.

You forgot 1979


Small market teams being able to keep a superstar for the duration of his career is an exception not the rule.

Other than Duncan has that ever happened...

[Twisted_Dawg]

I have a history of openly admitting when things still hurt, tbh :lol




Ownership being too cheap to trade Terry Cummings and Willie Anderson for Charles Barkley hurt.

I don't recall that story. Can you elaborate?

[exstatic]

You forgot 1979



Other than Duncan has that ever happened...

Robinson? Reggie Miller?

And it looks promising north on I35 for OKC to keep RW. He just had another right knee cleanout, and is about to go into his SuperMax extension. No one will touch that contract.

[RC_Drunkford]

Stephen Jackson still mad that Pop cut him a year before the 5th championship


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKTa701hWJw

[Twisted_Dawg]

Scola for jackie butler!? Rodman for perdue!?derek anderson for steve smith?

We didn't trade Scola for Butler. We had to throw Scola in in order for Houston to take on Butler's contract. Can't even recall the bullshit Houston sent back.

Speaking of Houston bad trades, how about selling Vernon Maxwell "like a slave" to Houston for $50,000?

Rodman for Purdue? Who cares after Rodman threw that playoff series against Houston.

Derek Anderson trade was a wash.

[ECOV]

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Hibernating on Silver and Black company time? :downspin:

What a pussy

[dbreiden83080]

The fans just lose badly if this becomes the norm blowing off massive chunks of the reg season for this "Load MGT" Shit.. The league better shorten the season (Never Happen) or put in place rules that medically you better be able to prove you got an actual injury to be sitting out 20 plus games a season. You can't just miss 20 plus games to rest..

[99 Problems]

Spurs fined $250,000 when a few guys didn’t take the crt tbh. One of the great threads in here tbh.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Kawhi is playing like 2017 Kawhi. 2017 Kawhi was better on defense cause he played like a DPOY on that end while playing like an MVP on the other. Nothing surprising here. I just don't want him to ring, that's all. Media is acting like he hasn't played on that level for the Spurs when he actually did

People are so phony. Like you stated before the crazy 9 game season Kawhi was balling in San Antonio and was 2nd in MVP voting twice. Its obvious Pop and the way the front office handles the media rubbed people the wrong way because everyone and their mom is coming out of the woodwork these last two seasons talking shit.

I wish Kawhi well and hope he stays in Toronto but if people are honest it was rumors before his team and the media used an injury as an excuse that he wanted to leave San Antonio. Jalen Rose reported he heard stuff as well as Chris Carter and Steven A. Smith

[RC_Drunkford]

People are so phony. Like you stated before the crazy 9 game season Kawhi was balling in San Antonio and was 2nd in MVP voting twice. Its obvious Pop and the way the front office handles the media rubbed people the wrong way because everyone and their mom is coming out of the woodwork these last two seasons talking shit.

I wish Kawhi well and hope he stays in Toronto but if people are honest it was rumors before his team and the media used an injury as an excuse that he wanted to leave San Antonio. Jalen Rose reported he heard stuff as well as Chris Carter and Steven A. Smith

ESPN loved that he wanted to leave. They wanted him to go to the Lakers. They would've been on his dick harder than duncan2k5 if that had happened. That's why I'm glad Pop sent him to Toronto (even though the return could've been better). ESPN hates the Spurs and been waiting for our downfall since 2007. They want the Spurs to not make the playoffs so bad, which is why I'd love to shove it in their face all over again and win another title. Kawhi was the key to that. He's a generational talent and there were reports that PATFO said they view his importance to the franchise in the same light as Tim Duncan. He could've got them another 5 rings. Spurs were the clear cut 2nd best team of the regular season in 2016 and 2017. If Zaza doesn't happen we might've won that year. This franchise was very close to ring #6 and that while their franchise cornerstone retired. And they also just got their first big time free agent sigingin in Aldridge. All this team was missing was a 3rd option and with Murray and White emerging plus the addition of Gay you're basically right there.

That's why this is such a tragedy. Kawhi is one of the few hero ballers who's super efficient at hero balling. Any team he goes to he'll elevate. And more importantly he can lock down the opponents best perimeter player. That just gives you a huge advantage on both ends that puts you immediately at contender status if you surround him with the right supporting cast.

Now with the DeRozan trade it almost seems impossible to ring again. I just wish the Spurs would be more aggressive to get back to being a real contender. Not saying they should try to sign a big time free agent, but I wish Pop would go back to his old ways of the 2000s where when a player didn't perform in the playoffs, he'd get rid of him. They will need to strike gold in the draft again or fleece a team in a trade like they did with the Hill for Kawhi and Bertans deal.

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We lost a legendary player, the closest thing to Tim Duncan, all because Pop and his righteous ways and ego for he sacrifice all spurs fans, and that is your answer?!? you are not honest and should be ashamed!

Lol. You talk about his reason for leaving as though you know that to be fact. In fact, you know shit.

[kobyz]

I have a history of openly admitting when things still hurt, tbh :lol

Losing Nephew obviously sucks but, eh, welcome to the real NBA. Not all superstars are cut from the David Robinson and Tim Duncan cloth. Small market teams being able to keep a superstar for the duration of his career is an exception not the rule.

2013 hurt.

1995 hurt.

Ownership being too cheap to trade Terry Cummings and Willie Anderson for Charles Barkley hurt.

Elliott needing a kidney transplant right after the 1999 championship hurt.

Trading away a disgruntled superstar who stopped supporting his teammates and wanted out? Unfortunate but that's part of the NBA.

Some things are so obvious you should not do no matter what, some things are so obvious a mistake and stupid before you even do them, some things are unforgivable! I don't care that kawhi wanted out, Timmy at the time also wanted out and threaten to sigh with Magic cause he wasn't happy with some things, Pop succeed convince him to stay, probably Timmy got the promises that he wanted from the team, Pop and Spurs should treated kawhi the same but nowdays they so full of themselves, anyway they just couldn't trade him and sell the fans like that instead of running the situation to the death(at least getting another year of kawhi, one year which worth more than 5 Derozans), all just because Pop righteous ways and ego, this is unforgivable and just can't deny it(reminds you also game 6 and the most naive decision ever by a coach not fouling up by 3 last possession also because Pop righteous ways and ego and also unforgivable)...

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Hibernating on Silver and Black company time? :downspin:

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The absolute worst trade the Spurs have ever made. If anybody can name a worst trade the franchise has ever made, speak up.

Thanks to Return from Injury Management

[MichaelBayismyUncle]

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Kawhi got on the Raptor's team plane with his new Fun Guy shirt and sold out Special Edition 997's.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Stephen Jackson still mad that Pop cut him a year before the 5th championship


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKTa701hWJw

i was mad when pop didnt play jax in that series against okc, he had a solid 4 swingman perimeter on his roster who could score and play above avg defense to keep the other honest on offense, and he didnt even know how t o utilize them properly...i think this was the season the spurs made wcf and loss to the okcrefs team...

[Dennis the Menace]

The absolute worst trade the Spurs have ever made. If anybody can name a worst trade the franchise has ever made, speak up.

Spurs traded the second coming of Michael Jordan for a known choke artist and a Stephen Adams lite.

Pop knew Kawhi’s generational talent. He was too egotistical and dictatorial to be flexible and allow some of Kawhi’s group’s requests/conditions.

If Pop had retired with Timmy I’m sure the next coach would’ve catered to more of his needs/wants, thus increasing the likelihood of Kawhi still being here.

[rasuo214]

The telling comment from SJax was that Kawhi felt like an outsider his first 2 seasons and the team did let all his closest teammates leave (CoJo, Simmons, SJax, Dedmon). The rumors that he wanted to leave were during the off-season after the team chose to overpay Patty and Pau and let Simmons and Dedmon go. So he didn't really have much of an attachment to the team from a personal aspect. When he was here it was the Big 3, the foreign crew and then the others.

[DPG21920]

Spurs traded the second coming of Michael Jordan for a known choke artist and a Stephen Adams lite.

Pop knew Kawhi’s generational talent. He was too egotistical and dictatorial to be flexible and allow some of Kawhi’s group’s requests/conditions.

If Pop had retired with Timmy I’m sure the next coach would’ve catered to more of his needs/wants, thus increasing the likelihood of Kawhi still being here.

When Kawhi walks to the Clippers, like has been the plan a year before the “sit out”, even though TOR is an ECF team that catered to him and can pay him more money, they will see this had nothing to do with Pop.

You might be able to lay some blame on SA, but any rational person without an agenda would have gotten past the Spurs “sins” especially with all the equity SA has built with Kawhi and every other player.

[daslicer]

The telling comment from SJax was that Kawhi felt like an outsider his first 2 seasons and the team did let all his closest teammates leave (CoJo, Simmons, SJax, Dedmon). The rumors that he wanted to leave were during the off-season after the team chose to overpay Patty and Pau and let Simmons and Dedmon go. So he didn't really have much of an attachment to the team from a personal aspect. When he was here it was the Big 3, the foreign crew and then the others.

I doubt teammates deliberately froze him out and more so it was him not wanting to be close to any of those guys. I think in general #2 being a super introvert that he's going to be an outsider anywhere he goes. I really doubt he's close to any of his current Raptor teammates.

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I doubt teammates deliberately froze him out and more so it was him not wanting to be close to any of those guys. I think in general #2 being a super introvert that he's going to be an outsider anywhere he goes. I really doubt he's close to any of his current Raptor teammates.

Hey the bulls signed Jack Hailey just to keep Rodman happy. Just sayin.

[rasuo214]

I doubt teammates deliberately froze him out and more so it was him not wanting to be close to any of those guys. I think in general #2 being a super introvert that he's going to be an outsider anywhere he goes. I really doubt he's close to any of his current Raptor teammates.

Him being a super introvert may have been a good reason to keep the people he was able to get close to around. Maybe not all of them but one or 2 guys wouldn't hurt. I get its a business but imagine seeing 2 of your closest teammates leave only to see Patty and Pau vastly overpaid. With the Raptors he's 100% close to Norm (both from socal and their moms are friends), and seemingly Ibaka and Lowry. If the Raptors were smart they would look into bringing CoJo back as well.

It doesn't justify how last season played out but maybe it would have been different if he felt like he was letting down friends he was close with instead of people who were just teammates.

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Him being a super introvert may have been a good reason to keep the people he was able to get close to around. Maybe not all of them but one or 2 guys wouldn't hurt. I get its a business but imagine seeing 2 of your closest teammates leave only to see Patty and Pau vastly overpaid. With the Raptors he's 100% close to Norm (both from socal and their moms are friends), and seemingly Ibaka and Lowry. If the Raptors were smart they would look into bringing CoJo back as well.

It doesn't justify how last season played out but maybe it would have been different if he felt like he was letting down friends he was close with instead of people who were just teammates.

I’m smart, you’re dumb. Get over it.

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[rasuo214]

I’m smart, you’re dumb. Get over it.

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It's just Basketball.

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Ok, bye.

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[gilmor2002]

Spurs traded the second coming of Michael Jordan for a known choke artist and a Stephen Adams lite.

Pop knew Kawhi’s generational talent. He was too egotistical and dictatorial to be flexible and allow some of Kawhi’s group’s requests/conditions.

If Pop had retired with Timmy I’m sure the next coach would’ve catered to more of his needs/wants, thus increasing the likelihood of Kawhi still being here.

How can you attribute an NBA player who sat out the whole year, never cheered his team-mates in the playoffs, not invited to Manu Jersey Retirement night, the fault of an egoistic Coach?

Spurs traded him? I think it's more of Kawhi asking for the trade.. Spurs never wanted to trade him

[Maddog]

Robinson? Reggie Miller?

And it looks promising north on I35 for OKC to keep RW. He just had another right knee cleanout, and is about to go into his SuperMax extension. No one will touch that contract.

I was thinking Westbrook, forgot about Reggie- Although I think RW is somewhat of a nique player and actually may not be a player that has as much FA value as one might think.
The Big O played in relatively small markets- but that was far form the modern age.


Definitely DROB.
However, these are the few exceptions



I still think of this trade
June 16, 1975: Traded by the Milwaukee Bucks with Walt Wesley to the Los Angeles Lakers for Junior Bridgeman, Dave Meyers, Elmore Smith and Brian Winters.

Or KD, Shaq leaving for nothing.

[exstatic]

The telling comment from SJax was that Kawhi felt like an outsider his first 2 seasons and the team did let all his closest teammates leave (CoJo, Simmons, SJax, Dedmon). The rumors that he wanted to leave were during the off-season after the team chose to overpay Patty and Pau and let Simmons and Dedmon go. So he didn't really have much of an attachment to the team from a personal aspect. When he was here it was the Big 3, the foreign crew and then the others.
Jack is nothing more than a bitter little bitch, with an overinflated sense of his basketball ability. He was a complete cancer his second tour here, and being cut by PATFO right before the playoffs was the kiss of death to his career.