***OFFICIAL KAWHI RELATED NEWS Thread***

[Dverde]

I still think the best move would be to sign a two year max deal with Toronto including a one year opt out and no trade clause.

[Genovaswitness]

It should take about 2 minutes and 30 seconds.

Don't want to play Devil's advocate but seriously,can you blame him for going to LA if he does?

What's so attractive in Toronto that #2 would want to stay there? Their 33 year old second option? Their 34 year old third option? Their worthless coach? The lovely snow in Canada? Career wise? The weak East? Wait till KD goes East this summer and till the Bucks establish themselves as a legit contender and no more weak East.

Anyways,after he made the bitch move and left the Spurs,we don't really give a fuck where he goes but obviously,if we're talking basketball,the Clippers are a way better destination than the Raptors,big market and family goals aside.

I really hope he leaves toronto. fucking idiot toronto fans have been smug all season about how their team is managing kawhi's phantom injury better than the spurs did and that they have a legit chance to win multiple championships with him. absurd. preposterous. irrelevant city shouldn't even have a team in an AMERICAN league

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I still think the best move would be to sign a two year max deal with Toronto including a one year opt out and no trade clause.

It would be good for Toronto but I don't see short deals as the best bet for him. If in fact he ishurt with chronic condition, he's gonna want to lock up max dollars before it becomes clear his game is regressing. As though it wasn't already obvious on the defensive side.

[Maddog]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02.html

Holy shit I didn't realize it but yeah. He's oblitterating his career percentages. 45-46% on 5.5 attempts a game is damn good. And EFG% of 62% is career best for him, in his 10th year in the league. What a comeback from last year, where he shot basically league average 36% and EFG was under 50%. And starting every game it looks like. We gave away a huge championship piece for nothing!

Not to be too cynical, but it is a contract year.

[Hoops Czar]

Not to be too cynical, but it is a contract year.
Like Kawhi's playing for a contract. :lol

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

https://youtu.be/x1xQdf23QgA

[Maddog]

Like Kawhi's playing for a contract. :lol

We'll....
There's that too.
I really wonder what other NBA FO people think about him. I can't think of a single example of s player missing essentially a complete season and 25% of another for to date an unknown injury/condition that hasn't required surgery.

[YGWHI]

Fuck your context if you're going to gloss over the theme

Lol. I see how you skipped over the key part. So what if Lowry or Fred fucking Van Vleet missed 16 more games this season. Lol. Holy shit. Paskal Siakam is exponentially more better this year. Plus they picked up Danny Green who is shooting his ass off this year.
And you say this doesn't have any to do with Kawhi's gravity?

Kawhi drawing defensive attention and being double teamed didn' make Siakam/Danny offense easy in 60 games this season??

"But but he doesn't make his teammates better :cry" You shouldn't talk about basketball.

Two months ago and it gets better and better
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Just crazy stuff
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[YGWHI]

I wonder if there is any slow simmering resentment building on the other members of the Raps? They play hard in all the games and don't load manage, they play very well together when KL refuses to play and win, yet KL gets the lions share of the credit and publicity. You would think a few of the Raps are getting tired of his bullshit.
At least Raptors young guys LOVE Kawhi. OG Siakam Boucher...like DJ Murray or Kyle Anderson did on the Spurs

"Siakam talked about the hard work he put in over the offseason in preparation for this season in a conversation with Scott Van Pelt of ESPN on Wednesday, but he also mentioned the impact Kawhi Leonard (https://ca.global.nba.com/players/?_clref=Kawhi%20Leonard#!/kawhi_leonard) has had on his development since he joined the team. Siakam said watching the three-time All-Star work on a daily basis has inspired him to "go out there and work on my game.
"I think coming in, we all knew what type of player he was and I think, for me, just having him every night, how he works every single day - he's in practice, working on his game and he's a professional," Siakam said. "Just seeing that for me kind of inspires me to go out there and work on my game as well.
"He would come every day, work hard and he would do what he was supposed to do and come on the floor and play for how many minutes he's out there and give everything he's got."

For those who said Kawhi leading by example way wasn't leadership/not inspired teammates/not make them better.

[YGWHI]

I'm just surprised YG is back in here defending #2 but I guess the old saying once a cuck always a cuck rings true.
Unlike others here I didn't bump this thread in months...

I'm fine with fans calling him "she" like SpurPadre (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=29323) because no one can tell a fan how to deal with his anger/feelings/whatever

But I can't stand lies.

His offense has even improved. He has made crazy plays this season on both ends. Granted, coasting on the defensive end a bit but he has been elite in the last minutes when it mattered.
Saying he's not a max player in this league is just a lie.

[pgardn]

Unlike others here I didn't bump this thread in months...

I'm fine with fans calling him "she" like SpurPadre (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=29323) because no one can tell a fan how to deal with his anger/feelings/whatever

But I can't stand lies.

His offense has even improved. He has made crazy plays this season on both ends. Granted, coasting on the defensive end a bit but he has been elite in the last minutes when it mattered.
Saying he's not a max player in this league is just a lie.

And not playing games because of a injury that is still apparently relevant?

No.

Uninjured playing every game, absolutely max.

[HarlemHeat37]

Of course Kawhi is a max player, how is that even a question?:lol

[GreekSpursfan]

Even though we are guessing that Kawhi saves himself for his next contract with the Clippers if we put that aside, his absence from 24 games is not max worthy. Availability is the best ability and that never changes more so for a max player.

[SpurPadre]

Of course Kawhi is a max player, how is that even a question?:lol

It's a valid question when you miss at least a third of the season due to "Load Management" and only played 9 games the year before. How are people continuing to ignore this fact?

[Harry Callahan]

I wonder if the Clippers were happy once they signed Bill Walton to a contract back in the early 80s with all of his injury woes - maybe for a nanosecond. Then reality set in.

It would be ironic if Nephew turns out to be Bill Walton 2.0 - that would make me smile. At least Walton was legit injured.

[RD2191]

It's a valid question when you miss at least a third of the season due to "Load Management" and only played 9 games the year before. How are people continuing to ignore this fact?

Who gives a shit what people ignore? Kawhi will get the max, period.

[RD2191]

Have you faggots even looked at the players on max contracts? Chandler Portions anyone? :lol questioning if a back to back dpoy finals mvp deserves a max :lol

[Dverde]

You got to keep in mind most teams have two “max” salary guys if not more on their roster. The term isn’t as limited as one might think. I always considered it as a top 60 player. Kris Middleton will probably get the “max” this summer. Nephew is without a doubt a “max” player. The better question is whether he can be the best player on a championship team.

[RD2191]

Mike Conley :lol

[RD2191]

You got to keep in mind most teams have two “max” salary guys if not more on their roster. The term isn’t as limited as one might think. I always considered it as a top 60 player. Kris Middleton will probably get the “max” this summer. Nephew is without a doubt a “max” player. The better question is whether he can be the best player on a championship team.

We'll find out soon enough tbh.

[GusT15]

You got to keep in mind most teams have two “max” salary guys if not more on their roster. The term isn’t as limited as one might think. I always considered it as a top 60 player. Kris Middleton will probably get the “max” this summer. Nephew is without a doubt a “max” player. The better question is whether he can be the best player on a championship team.

If Middleton manages to get a max from the Bucks,it wouldn't surprise me one bit when Giannis leaves the Bucks in 2021.

Also,and excuse me if i'm mistaken numbers wise,but the whole conversation in the last page of this thread is driven based on wrong parameters.

The question is not if #2 is a max player.The proper question is if he's worthy of the max in Toronto.Cause even after he lost the supermax option,we're still talking about a player whose max is 190 mil/5years there.That's some franchise killing numbers if something goes wrong and he's actually hurt.

His max on a new team is 141/4 and for me that's closer to reality for his current situation.

[DAF86]

Can somebody find Kawhi on this list for me.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm

4 teammates ahead of him :lmao

[Twisted_Dawg]

Colin Cowherd handing out NBA awards today. Durant is MVP. KL is most OVER RATED.

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Can somebody find Kawhi on this list for me.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm

4 teammates ahead of him :lmao


Colin Cowherd handing out NBA awards today. Durant is MVP. KL is most OVER RATED.

Shhh. You guys have just broadcast a Defend Kawhi Now signal across the universe. YGWHI will now be by momentarily.

Questioning Kawhi's value will bring condemnation upon you that you just don't understand basketball.

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If Middleton manages to get a max from the Bucks,it wouldn't surprise me one bit when Giannis leaves the Bucks in 2021.

Also,and excuse me if i'm mistaken numbers wise,but the whole conversation in the last page of this thread is driven based on wrong parameters.

The question is not if #2 is a max player.The proper question is if he's worthy of the max in Toronto.Cause even after he lost the supermax option,we're still talking about a player whose max is 190 mil/5years there.That's some franchise killing numbers if something goes wrong and he's actually hurt.

His max on a new team is 141/4 and for me that's closer to reality for his current situation.

Yep. If Masai offers 190/5, he's signing his pink slip.

Even 141/4 is risky AF. I don't think he ever tops 70 GP or even really 65 GP the rest of his career. And if he ever gets hit in his quad again he's done for the year cause he'll shut it down. I wouldn't do more than 3 years. You've got to make sure you didnt just lock up another Chandler Parsons.

I imagine PATFO essentially told him the same thing which either caused or deepened the rift. He could have been better protected for his career here though and hidden in team basketball. If he signs that max somewhere, they are going to want return on their investment sooner or later.

[ZeusWillJudge]

The Toronto Caterwaul
04/08/2019


Dennis Robertson, the agent and uncle of NBA star Kawhi Leonard, announced today that his client will be sitting out the first round of the upcoming NBA playoffs for purposes of load management. It is still undecided whether the star will be on the Raptors' bench during the series, or searching for a new doctor in Los Angeles.

Raptors' management immediately released a statement of their own. "It was always our plan that Kawhi would sit out back to back playoff series, due to the substandard medical condition he received prior to coming to our franchise. By sitting out the first and third series, we insure that he will be available for the Finals, should we advance that far." The spokesperson went on to encourage all Canadians, not just basketball fans, to support Leonard on social media, and let him know how honored they all are to have him here. "Canadians are good people who really care, eh?"

[Twisted_Dawg]

I imagine PATFO essentially told him the same thing which either caused or deepened the rift. He could have been better protected for his career here though and hidden in team basketball.

I wish timvp would share his knowledge of the rift.

[Dverde]

The Toronto Caterwaul
04/08/2019


Dennis Robertson, the agent and uncle of NBA star Kawhi Leonard, announced today that his client will be sitting out the first round of the upcoming NBA playoffs for purposes of load management. It is still undecided whether the star will be on the Raptors' bench during the series, or searching for a new doctor in Los Angeles.

Raptors' management immediately released a statement of their own. "It was always our plan that Kawhi would sit out back to back playoff series, due to the substandard medical condition he received prior to coming to our franchise. By sitting out the first and third series, we insure that he will be available for the Finals, should we advance that far." The spokesperson went on to encourage all Canadians, not just basketball fans, to support Leonard on social media, and let him know how honored they all are to have him here. "Canadians are good people who really care, eh?"

That Kyle Lowry comment of having a load 100 times worse to management must have triggered him.

[toki9]

Yep. If Masai offers 190/5, he's signing his pink slip.

Even 141/4 is risky AF. I don't think he ever tops 70 GP or even really 65 GP the rest of his career. And if he ever gets hit in his quad again he's done for the year cause he'll shut it down. I wouldn't do more than 3 years. You've got to make sure you didnt just lock up another Chandler Parsons.

I imagine PATFO essentially told him the same thing which either caused or deepened the rift. He could have been better protected for his career here though and hidden in team basketball. If he signs that max somewhere, they are going to want return on their investment sooner or later.

That's probably what happened. And remember, for the Spurs, the number would have been $221 million. The Spurs have always called it a long-term issue that had to be managed--and they probably had some concerns about locking up $221 million on a guy with a long-term issue. And Kawhi and his people probably thought the "long-term issue" diagnosis was just a negotiating ploy because the Spurs didn't want to give him the $221 million--and things likely just went downhill from there.

[Mugen]

:lol Why tf is this thread still going?

[spurraider21]

clippers are maxing him

/thread

[gambit1990]

should be moved to the nba forum imo.

[Fusternino]

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/56492575_10156973002501006_5240507696288890880_n.j pg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_eui2=AeETAJ0JrpqBpjfJ5thNLc6ejYxUKq60belYwIAn7 wAY-5W1pyAmXyaxT-IM8WhfEm8aOy5fIXbXFL9E3-BZTDZctdQoxpEXzxTaRQlX9Zv7Zg&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=872718059fa5543371cb1dc614626361&oe=5D4C5B71

[gambit1990]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=fFzGy8EUAC8

[Seventyniner]

Of course Kawhi is a max player, how is that even a question?:lol

A better question is if he's a supermax player. Before last year's shitshow, and before knowing how often he sat out this season, I would have said yes. Now I'm glad he and the Spurs didn't agree to a supermax. It's moot now, of course, but interesting nonetheless imo.

Did we ever find out if the Spurs even offered it?

[Dverde]

A better question is if he's a supermax player. Before last year's shitshow, and before knowing how often he sat out this season, I would have said yes. Now I'm glad he and the Spurs didn't agree to a supermax. It's moot now, of course, but interesting nonetheless imo.

Did we ever find out if the Spurs even offered it?

Did you check page 46? Lot’s of answers on that page.

[rjv]

:lol Why tf is this thread still going?

it's ST.

[boutons_deux]

Former Spur Steve Smith Says Gregg Popovich Made Kawhi Leonard a Star
https://www.sacurrent.com/ArtSlut/archives/2019/04/09/former-spur-steve-smith-says-gregg-popovich-made-kawhi-leonard-a-star

[weebo]

Former Spur Steve Smith Says Gregg Popovich Made Kawhi Leonard a Star
https://www.sacurrent.com/ArtSlut/archives/2019/04/09/former-spur-steve-smith-says-gregg-popovich-made-kawhi-leonard-a-star

Pop/Spurs gave KL the opportunity to become what he is today but KL put in the work to become a superstar.

[exstatic]

Pop/Spurs gave KL the opportunity to become what he is today but KL put in the work to become a superstar.

Hard work is fine, with proper direction. The Spurs have one of the top development staffs in the NBA. Kawhi could have worked his tail off on another team, and wouldn't have been as successful. Just look at all of the top 10 draft picks that bust out.

[SpurPadre]

Hard work is fine, with proper direction. The Spurs have one of the top development staffs in the NBA. Kawhi could have worked his tail off on another team, and wouldn't have been as successful. Just look at all of the top 10 draft picks that bust out.

I wouldn't label Poetl a bust but I still can't believe he was a Top 10 pick. I highly doubt PATFO would've drafted him had they had 10th pick that year.

[exstatic]

I wouldn't label Poetl a bust but I still can't believe he was a Top 10 pick. I highly doubt PATFO would've drafted him had they had 10th pick that year.

I'd have to go back and look at his draft to see what else was out there. He's a really good defensive player when they get his fire lit, has good hands, and is a rim runner. It's also possible that Toronto was drafting for need or expected need. His PER for this season is 19.5. That's #54 in a league of roughly 450 players. He's improved a lot this year.

[Twisted_Dawg]

Former Spur Steve Smith Says Gregg Popovich Made Kawhi Leonard a Star
https://www.sacurrent.com/ArtSlut/archives/2019/04/09/former-spur-steve-smith-says-gregg-popovich-made-kawhi-leonard-a-star

Odd article

[exstatic]

Odd article

Well, the Current is just a local, but that last line...man.

[exstatic]

I'd have to go back and look at his draft to see what else was out there. He's a really good defensive player when they get his fire lit, has good hands, and is a rim runner. It's also possible that Toronto was drafting for need or expected need. His PER for this season is 19.5. That's #54 in a league of roughly 450 players. He's improved a lot this year.

That 2016 draft was a wasteland. The only players taken after him of note were Domatis Sabonis at 11, who was REAL slow to develop, Pascal Siakam at 27, and DeJounte at 29. Jakob is in the top 5 in Win Shares for his draft class.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2016.html

[boutons_deux]

there so much BULLSHIT noise in media now, sometimes nothing but gratuitous filler, entry barriers used to selective, filtering

now you have do the filtering yourself

[Thomas82]

Hard work is fine, with proper direction. The Spurs have one of the top development staffs in the NBA. Kawhi could have worked his tail off on another team, and wouldn't have been as successful. Just look at all of the top 10 draft picks that bust out.

+1

[Dman2]

Lol. Raptors won fewer games this year than last despite obviously more talent AND a much easier conference.

Kawhi is simply NOT a max player anymore based on his usage rate alone. Throw in that he doesn't make his teammates better as the primary option and it all adds up to addition by subtraction. Good riddance.

That's true, but you have to factor that Kawhi missed 25 games, Lowry missed about 20 games, JV (before the Gasol trade) missed 3 months, VanVleet missed a month and OG missed about 15 games.

[Seventyniner]

That 2016 draft was a wasteland. The only players taken after him of note were Domatis Sabonis at 11, who was REAL slow to develop, Pascal Siakam at 27, and DeJounte at 29. Jakob is in the top 5 in Win Shares for his draft class.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2016.html

Poeltl is #1 in WS/48 too. Dejounte at #21, though he's behind 4 players who haven't even played 600 minutes total.

I forgot that Chriss went that high.

[SpurPadre]

That 2016 draft was a wasteland. The only players taken after him of note were Domatis Sabonis at 11, who was REAL slow to develop, Pascal Siakam at 27, and DeJounte at 29. Jakob is in the top 5 in Win Shares for his draft class.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2016.html

Thanks for the research. Yeah, he is proving to be a useful player but he has clear limitations, particularly on the offensive end. I know the game wasn't drastically different in 2016 for bigs as it is now but whenever I think of bigs being drafted that high, I think of game-changing bigs.

[SpurPadre]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=fFzGy8EUAC8

That dude has probably played more games than Kawhi this year, tbh.

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That's true, but you have to factor that Kawhi missed 25 games, Lowry missed about 20 games, JV (before the Gasol trade) missed 3 months, VanVleet missed a month and OG missed about 15 games.

Yes, injuries are part of the game. I'm not giving them any excuses. And this is probably the weakest the East has been top to bottom in a long time. No Lebron, etc.

Then you have that other guy...and he gonna Load Management. It's what he does.

[weebo]

Hard work is fine, with proper direction. The Spurs have one of the top development staffs in the NBA. Kawhi could have worked his tail off on another team, and wouldn't have been as successful. Just look at all of the top 10 draft picks that bust out.

How do you know he wouldn't have been successful? Maybe not to the degree he is now but surely he would be all star level talent...a Paul George type. I'm not trying to take anything away from Pop and his staff; they did give KL the resources and the time to develop but KL did all the work. This league has stars on almost every team...Pop/Spurs didn't develop any of them so how do you explain their success?

[exstatic]

How do you know he wouldn't have been successful? Maybe not to the degree he is now but surely he would be all star level talent...a Paul George type. I'm not trying to take anything away from Pop and his staff; they did give KL the resources and the time to develop but KL did all the work. This league has stars on almost every team...Pop/Spurs didn't develop any of them so how do you explain their success?

Context is everything. For example, noting the word ‘as’ in front of the word ‘successful’ in my post. I think he would have had a level of success, maybe along the lines of MKG, but maybe never turn that corner to star player. Sometimes, hard work isn’t enough if you’re not pointed in the right direction.

[weebo]

Context is everything. For example, noting the word ‘as’ in front of the word ‘successful’ in my post. I think he would have had a level of success, maybe along the lines of MKG, but maybe never turn that corner to star player. Sometimes, hard work isn’t enough if you’re not pointed in the right direction.

....and some guys are just that self driven and don't need to be led by the hand. KL is lucky he fell into the right situation but we'll never know how great or not he could have been had he been drafted by another team.

[YGWHI]

Hard work is fine, with proper direction. The Spurs have one of the top development staffs in the NBA. Kawhi could have worked his tail off on another team, and wouldn't have been as successful. Just look at all of the top 10 draft picks that bust out.

To be honest, Chad Forcier was working with Aaron Gordon too. He improved but Forcier couldn't make him Kawhi Leonard.

Pop couldn't turn Anderson into Kawhi either.

Team's environment and hard work are part of the process but when everthing is said and done, the real one deal is talent.

I remember when Pop said Kawhi was like a sponge in his first years, that he learned so fast...the coaches started to show him some move or a shot during practice then he dominated it when practice ended.
Chip said it was enough just a talk before the lock-out to Kawhi fix his 3-pt shot.

I guess people here tend to underrate Kawhi's talent.

[DAF86]

To be honest, Chad Forcier was working with Aaron Gordon too. He improved but Forcier couldn't make him Kawhi Leonard.

Pop couldn't turn Anderson into Kawhi either.

Team's environment and hard work are part of the process but when everthing is said and done, the real one deal is talent.

I remember when Pop said Kawhi was like a sponge in his first years, that he learned so fast...the coaches started to show him some move or a shot during practice then he dominated it when practice ended.
Chip said it was enough just a talk before the lock-out to Kawhi fix his 3-pt shot.

I guess people here tend to underrate Kawhi's talent.

You need both parts to do theirs, tbh. Kawhi's talent and work ethic clearly made life easier for the Spurs, but if Kawhi had been drafted by the Lakers instead of the Spurs, he would probably still be shooting soccer throw ins, tbh.

[apalisoc_9]

Sad to say, but i think kawhi is going to kill it in the playoffs.

Raps will win the LOBT in 6 against the warriors

[YGWHI]

You need both parts to do theirs, tbh. Kawhi's talent and work ethic clearly made life easier for the Spurs, but if Kawhi had been drafted by the Lakers instead of the Spurs, he would probably still be shooting soccer throw ins, tbh.
I doubt it. Kobe, sophomore Kawhi and still prime Pau could have been great in 2012 and 2013 seasons.

[DAF86]

I doubt it. Kobe, sophomore Kawhi and still prime Pau could have won a title in 2012 or 2013.

:lmao:lmao:lmao

Just no, tbh. :lol

And regardless of that, I'm talking about Kawhi's shooting mechanics. It's no secret that Chip fixed that. Without that fixed shot, Kawhi wouldn't be a quarter of the player he is today.

[YGWHI]

:lmao:lmao:lmao

Just no, tbh. :lol

And regardless of that, I'm talking about Kawhi's shooting mechanics. It's no secret that Chip fixed that. Without that fixed shot, Kawhi wouldn't be a quarter of the player he is today.

I edited it but was too late :D "won a ring" was too much but still think that could have been a great team.

Anyway, I already said that Chip fixed Kawhi shot. But Chip also said he needed just a talk before the lock-out because Kawhi was working alone in the summer and came back to San Antonio in his first season with a new-fixed shooting.

There are players that works years to improve their 3-p shot. Kawhi did in just one summer.

I call that talent.

[DAF86]

I edited it but was too late :D "won a ring" was too much but still think that could have been a great team.

Anyway, I already said that Chip fixed Kawhi shot. But Chip also said he needed just a talk before the lock-out because Kawhi was working alone in the summer and came back to San Antonio in his first season with a new-fixed shooting.

There are players that works years to improve their 3-p shot. Kawhi did in just one summer.

I call that talent.

You can work all you want but if you don't have the perfect tip/technic to work on, you won't get better. Chip knew exactly what needed to be done to fix Kawhi's shot, most other franchises probably wouldn't have had that guy to tell Kawhi exactly what needed to told.

[YGWHI]

When people say here "Raptors win less with Kawhi this season...he's not a max player"...It was just one. They won just win ONE fewer game than last season.

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Raptors are 22-17 against teams above .500 this season as compared to 24-21 last season, and they’re up from 17th to 6th in clutch net rating.


You can work all you want but if you don't have the perfect tip/technic to work on, you won't get better. Chip knew exactly what needed to be done to fix Kawhi's shot, most other franchises probably wouldn't have had that guy to tell Kawhi exactly what needed to told.
No doubt Chip is the best.

But he's not the only coach to fix a shot in the league. There are other staffs that work great.

Just look at Pascal Siakam 3-p... .22 3p% last season .37& this season or Boucher.

[r0drig0lac]

....and some guys are just that self driven and don't need to be led by the hand. KL is lucky he fell into the right situation but we'll never know how great or not he could have been had he been drafted by another team.
Kawhi would have been a star anywhere, just like all super stars in the league. that's how good they are.

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When people say here "Raptors win less with Kawhi this season...he's not a max player"...It was just one. They won just win ONE fewer game than last season.

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Raptors are 22-17 against teams above .500 this season as compared to 24-21 last season, and they’re up from 17th to 6th in clutch net rating.


No doubt Chip is the best.

But he's not the only coach to fix a shot in the league. There are other staffs that work great.

Just look at Pascal Siakam 3-p... .22 3p% last season .37& this season or Boucher.

Lol. Is one fewer still one fewer? And the word is fewer. Not less. And several people said he wasn't a max player because he didn't play enough, just like me. In fact more people stated that than the opposite. The only thing Ive stated is that he doesn't make his teammates better. How many double doubles does he have? He scores well and is fairly efficient but he scores a lot in iso ball and is known for being a ball stopper.

You say oh look at Siakam. Ok. I say oh look at Lowry who just had his worst regular season in 7 seasons, BY FAR. 9 if you mandate his minutes being above 30MPG.

So I say again confidently, Kawhi is not a max player at 58 games per year. Or even 65. If he ever gets to playing 70 per year again, perhaps so. And he's not worth a 4 or 5 year contract until he has at least one more season under his belt to demonstrate he's not as fragile as glass.

So again I repeat, any GM that signs him to a max deal at 4 and especially 5 years will be gone by the time Kawhi finishes that contract. Take the bet. I'll be here.

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When people say here "Raptors win less with Kawhi this season...he's not a max player"...It was just one. They won just win ONE fewer game than last season.

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Raptors are 22-17 against teams above .500 this season as compared to 24-21 last season, and they’re up from 17th to 6th in clutch net rating.


No doubt Chip is the best.

But he's not the only coach to fix a shot in the league. There are other staffs that work great.

Just look at Pascal Siakam 3-p... .22 3p% last season .37& this season or Boucher.

Lol. Is one fewer still one fewer? And the word is fewer. Not less. And several people said he wasn't a max player because he didn't play enough, just like me. In fact more people stated that than the opposite. The only thing Ive stated is that he doesn't make his teammates better. How many double doubles does he have? He scores well and is fairly efficient but he scores a lot in iso ball and is known for being a ball stopper.

You say oh look at Siakam. Ok. I say oh look at Lowry who just had his worst regular season in 7 seasons, BY FAR. 9 if you mandate his minutes being above 30MPG. And he was either their leading scorer or second leading scorer. Lol. He not only got worse, he got way worse. And they won fewer games. FACT!

So I say again confidently, Kawhi is not a max player at 58 games per year. Or even 65. If he ever gets to playing 70 per year again, perhaps so. And he's not worth a 4 or 5 year contract until he has at least one more season under his belt to demonstrate he's not as fragile as glass.

So again I repeat, any GM that signs him to a max deal at 4 and especially 5 years will be gone by the time Kawhi finishes that contract. Take the bet. I'll be here.

[Dverde]

Lol. Is one fewer still one fewer? And the word is fewer. Not less. And several people said he wasn't a max player because he didn't play enough, just like me. In fact more people stated that than the opposite. The only thing Ive stated is that he doesn't make his teammates better. How many double doubles does he have? He scores well and is fairly efficient but he scores a lot in iso ball and is known for being a ball stopper.

You say oh look at Siakam. Ok. I say oh look at Lowry who just had his worst regular season in 7 seasons, BY FAR. 9 if you mandate his minutes being above 30MPG. And he was either their leading scorer or second leading scorer. Lol. He not only got worse, he got way worse. And they won fewer games. FACT!

So I say again confidently, Kawhi is not a max player at 58 games per year. Or even 65. If he ever gets to playing 70 per year again, perhaps so. And he's not worth a 4 or 5 year contract until he has at least one more season under his belt to demonstrate he's not as fragile as glass.

So again I repeat, any GM that signs him to a max deal at 4 and especially 5 years will be gone by the time Kawhi finishes that contract. Take the bet. I'll be here.

Danny Green should get some love. He had a great shooting percentage and a defensive upgrade over DDR. Great season for the Raptors considering the load mgmt and Lowry having a below par year.

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NymS69shfkc

[ZeusWillJudge]

When people say here "Raptors win less with Kawhi this season...he's not a max player"...It was just one. They won just win ONE fewer game than last season.

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Raptors are 22-17 against teams above .500 this season as compared to 24-21 last season, and they’re up from 17th to 6th in clutch net rating.



I'm pretty good with math. That says the Raptors played 45 teams above .500 last year vs. 39 teams above .500 this year. And won one more game in total.

Kawhi is a very talented player. I'm not sure he's made much of an addition to the bottom line in Toronto, especially based on that. And really the ONLY way of claiming otherwise will be postseason success.

[weebo]

Kawhi would have been a star anywhere, just like all super stars in the league. that's how good they are.

I think so too..how great? Who really knows. At the very least, I think he could have been all-star level talent.

[ZeusWillJudge]

The season is finally over. The Spurs won 1 more game than last year, and the Raptors won 1 fewer game than last year. Kawhi is exactly a 1 game negative, over the course of a season.

So that settles this thread forever then, right?

[GusT15]

The season is finally over. The Spurs won 1 more game than last year, and the Raptors won 1 fewer game than last year. Kawhi is exactly a 1 game negative, over the course of a season.

So that settles this thread forever then, right?

I thought that this was the thread we stop by whenever we feel like it and wish Kawhi a very pleasant "Fuck Kawhi"

You're telling me there was an actual conversation going on all this time?

[GusT15]

Oh and since i stopped by

Go fuck yourself Nephew

[ZeusWillJudge]

I thought that this was the thread we stop by whenever we feel like it and wish Kawhi a very pleasant "Fuck Kawhi"

You're telling me there was an actual conversation going on all this time?


LOL. I never thought that would end the thread. Hell, the Scola thread(s) went on for at least a couple of years. Besides - I think having a designated place to say a very pleasant "Fuck Kawhi" shouldn't be messed with. :lol

[JeffDuncan]

Gotta keep this thread going until Kawhi goes to China.

[GusT15]

LOL. I never thought that would end the thread. Hell, the Scola thread(s) went on for at least a couple of years. Besides - I think having a designated place to say a very pleasant "Fuck Kawhi" shouldn't be messed with. :lol

Honestly timvp and kori did a great thing shutting down all things and threads about #2 on Spurstalk and rerouting everything about him in here.

It was a pro move.Well done Spurstalk management.:toast

[Fuck-Kawhi]

Fuck Kawhi

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Fuck Kawhi

Username checks out.

:bobo

[hombre]

FUCK KAWHI.

[Geo210SpursSanAnto.]

Fuck that puto #2., pinche culero!!!!

[YGWHI]

You say oh look at Siakam. Ok. I say oh look at Lowry who just had his worst regular season in 7 seasons, BY FAR. 9 if you mandate his minutes being above 30MPG. And he was either their leading scorer or second leading scorer. Lol. He not only got worse, he got way worse. And they won fewer games. FACT!

Other facts? Lowy is 2nd in the whole league in aspg.

He's 34 with a back injury who bothered him all season...So a fatty injured PG who is aging not that well. Then we will act like we never heard about this situation on our own team 2 years ago?? Don't be hypocrite.

Anyway if you read my previous posts on ST I always said that Lowry was, is and will be Raptors' biggest weakness after DeRozan so it's not surprising he didn't meet expectations again.

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Other facts? Lowy is 2nd in the whole league in aspg.

He's 34 with a back injury who bothered him all season...So a fatty injured PG who is aging not that well. Then we will act like we never heard about this situation on our own team 2 years ago?? Don't be hypocrite.

Anyway if you read my previous posts on ST I always said that Lowry was, is and will be Raptors' biggest weakness after DeRozan so it's not surprising he didn't meet expectations again.

Lowry's scoring dropped nearly 40%. He was the leading scorer or second leading scorer every year in Toronto. Until Kawhi came to town. He is in better shape the past two years than he's ever been by his own admission. He's always been chubby (a little bowling ball) but he is less so now than at other points in his career.

Demar's scoring didn't fade anywhere nearly as much despite coming to a new team and new system with another alpha on the team. Big drop off for Lowry. And don't tell me it was just an injury and fatness.

Look, Kawhi is a hell of a player (when he plays, and next to nobody disputes that) but he simply does not make his teammates significantly better as the primary scorer. If he did his assists would be double what they were. He averaged 3.3 this year despite playing with a young athletic slasher like Siakam and plenty of shooters including Green's most efficient season from 3. He rarely had a double double (even with rebounds) despite playing the most minutes PG in his career.

He's simply not a max player, especially given we don't know his health situation. The more I look at it, the more I'm sure Pop told him the same thing and that they would pay him as much as they could but just not supermax money given he was likely to be limited in GP moving forward. I'm sure that devastated him and caused the selfishness that we saw him exhibit hiding from the team and not going to games, etc.

[Texas_Ranger]

I'd say eat a dick Kawhi, but he literally did it...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ze37NCz5oI

[Rusty]

^:rollin

[GusT15]

Nephew didn't like Ibaka's penis.

He said it was chewy.

Nephew enjoys a dick only if it's rock solid.

[GusT15]

https://twitter.com/WalderSports/status/1116431908970225664

[Joseph Kony]

https://twitter.com/WalderSports/status/1116431908970225664

i was going to post this :lol so fucking cringey, you can tell Kawhi is uncomfortable as fuck with the question. he's not staying in Toronto :lmao

[GusT15]

i was going to post this :lol so fucking cringey, you can tell Kawhi is uncomfortable as fuck with the question. he's not staying in Toronto :lmao

"I said..umm...i dunno yet" *shakes head like a 5 year old*
:rollin:lol:rollin

[th3answ3r]

i wouldn't hate dude if he just thanked the fans

[SpurPadre]

i wouldn't hate dude if he just thanked the fans

He set the franchise back due to selfishness, cowardice, and being a fucking asshole. He can shove any thank yous up his bitch ass, tbh.

[Fusternino]

Can totally see Kawhi milking his sole Finals MVP well into his 40's and onward.

[Kurgan]

i was going to post this :lol so fucking cringey, you can tell Kawhi is uncomfortable as fuck with the question. he's not staying in Toronto :lmao

What's sad is that this is supposed to be one of his closest friends on the team. He sounds like he truly doesn't give a fuck about the Raptors. His mind has been made up about LA a long time ago.

[Johojowhite]

When Kawhi re-signs with the raptors I can’t wait to see the mental gymnastics that’s going to be performed here. :rollin

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When Kawhi re-signs with the raptors I can’t wait to see the mental gymnastics that’s going to be performed here. :rollin

YGWHI, that you?

It's certainly possible he resigns in Toronto. But what I guarantee you is that I wouldn't bet on anything until he signs on the dotted line. Why?

He said, "yeah, for sure" when asked last year if he could see himself retiring or finishing his career in SA. In retrospect it was a steaming pile of horseshit.

So that means he's a lying punkass that has no fucks to give about loyalty to his team. So if I were you, I wouldn't get so hyped about him staying. Honestly, I hope he does stay there. He can suck up max money and play ~60 games per year and undoubtedly be miserable walking from tunnel to tunnel to avoid the Canadian winters. This makes me happy.

[Spurs Homer]

What's sad is that this is supposed to be one of his closest friends on the team. He sounds like he truly doesn't give a fuck about the Raptors. His mind has been made up about LA a long time ago.

He even turned it around on Ibaka -

"if I don't stay - you won't make me feel comfortable anymore?"

kawhitter has loyalty to no team, no fan base, no teammates - what a piece of shit

[Kurgan]

He even turned it around on Ibaka -

"if I don't stay - you won't make me feel comfortable anymore?"

kawhitter has loyalty to no team, no fan base, no teammates - what a piece of shit

I know Ibaka played it off as a joke but Kawhi looked serious when he said it. I doubt he has any friends in the league.

[spurs10]

Fuck Kawhi What he said! Nice user name too!

[ShutUp SayItAgain!]

He even turned it around on Ibaka -

"if I don't stay - you won't make me feel comfortable anymore?"

kawhitter has loyalty to no team, no fan base, no teammates - what a piece of shit

Tactic he learned from Uncle scumbag

[ShutUp SayItAgain!]

Why tf are they eating dick? lol Kawhi does this segment as a PR move then eats some dick haha

[Dejounte]

He even turned it around on Ibaka -

"if I don't stay - you won't make me feel comfortable anymore?"

kawhitter has loyalty to no team, no fan base, no teammates - what a piece of shit

I thought he said "once I stay" not "if I stay"

[RC_Drunkford]

YGWHI get in here and defend this dick eater

[Twisted_Dawg]

YGWHI get in here and defend this dick eater

"Dick eater"....haha.....that's a new one that is bound to stick. From here on out, when someone refers to "the dick eater" we'll know who it's referring to. Fucking classic!

[Ozballer]

YGWHI get in here and defend this dick eater

Must really suck dick that you have to step into this thread to defend nephew because you are part of his payroll. Oh no, is the passion for the flawed player....right YGWHI?

[Dejounte]

He even turned it around on Ibaka -

"if I don't stay - you won't make me feel comfortable anymore?"

kawhitter has loyalty to no team, no fan base, no teammates - what a piece of shit

I thought he said "once I stay" not "if I stay"

[Maddog]

Gotta keep this thread going until Kawhi goes to China.

China may be sooner than later.
It would be very attractive to the nephew and team. Large population to sell the brand to and they only play 46 games a year.

[ZeusWillJudge]

YGWHI get in here and defend this dick eater


LOL. Mute Dick Eater.


Ibaka already knows Nephew is leaving. "Get him on the show. I'm going to make him eat a dick on camera."

And he's laughing at Kawhi for claiming to be from Capetown "originally". Then asking him... have you even been to Capetown? And Kawhi says, "Yeah. My mom went over there just recently." That fucker really is autistic, isn't he?

[spursparker9]

Jeanie want Kawhi!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC-FLC4jH30

[YGWHI]

YGWHI, that you?
Me? Nah..I've said before Toronto is a great city. The Canadian NY version but even better because people are so nice in Toronto.

But I wouldn't say he stays...Toronto is big market just for Canada without the impact of LA. NY or Boston.

[YGWHI]

YGWHI get in here and defend this dick eater


Must really suck dick that you have to step into this thread to defend nephew because you are part of his payroll. Oh no, is the passion for the flawed player....right YGWHI?

From what I have to defend him on this one vid?:lol

Again, no one can tell a fan how to feel about how this Kawhi saga ended but at some point you have to get over.

Some Spurs fans posted positive comments in that Ibaka video or tweeted something nice about him in last days. It seems they're ready to take the first step of the healing process.
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[TDomination]

From what I have to defend him on this one vid?:lol

Again, no one can tell a fan how to feel about how this Kawhi saga ended but at some point you have to get over.

Some Spurs fans posted positive comments in that Ibaka video or tweeted something nice about him in last days. It seems they're ready to take the first step of the healing process.
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Would be nice to have Kawhi say something about the Spurs verbally like "I appreciate what Pop did for me", or "San Antonio was a great city and helped me become the player I am", or "I won't forget the city that helped me get my first championship". Anything along those lines would help break that wall of hate that has build up since the trade happened.

[UZER]

From what I have to defend him on this one vid?:lol

Again, no one can tell a fan how to feel about how this Kawhi saga ended but at some point you have to get over.

Some Spurs fans posted positive comments in that Ibaka video or tweeted something nice about him in last days. It seems they're ready to take the first step of the healing process.
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NBA players were “lowkey” saying the same thing about Kawhi being a system player.

[YGWHI]

Would be nice to have Kawhi say something about the Spurs verbally like "I appreciate what Pop did for me", or "San Antonio was a great city and helped me become the player I am", or "I won't forget the city that helped me get my first championship". Anything along those lines would help break that wall of hate that has build up since the trade happened.

Agree. I guess that big hug with Pop in public was the first step of his healing process too. I have no doubt we will see more things like this in the future.

[YGWHI]

NBA players were “lowkey” saying the same thing about Kawhi being a system player.
I wouldn't say KD was most NBA players but it's fine.

[RC_Drunkford]

From what I have to defend him on this one vid?:lol


No man should ever have dick in his mouth. Cooked or not. Of course that's just my opinion

Kawhi said Toronto is not a boring City, so I guess he didn't really like living in San Antonio

[ZeusWillJudge]

Some Spurs fans posted positive comments in that Ibaka video or tweeted something nice about him in last days. It seems they're ready to take the first step of the healing process.


Okay, let me give it a try: "Hey Kawhi… I like the way you ate that dick."

I think I made some progress there.

[YGWHI]

You're so funny guys :lol

[ZeusWillJudge]

You're so funny guys :lol


Truth, I'm way over him leaving. But I'm not sure I'll ever get over that video. :lol

The first thing I thought of was this old comedy bit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBe-8-cxj7U

[TheCerebral1]

I hope Kawai gets a greeting from bone spurs in his ankle in the first round.

[TDomination]

Agree. I guess that big hug with Pop in public was the first step of his healing process too. I have no doubt we will see more things like this in the future.
I did enjoy that. It was a nice moment. This summer should be another interesting one in the Kawhi saga.

[jayskipz]

"So when I re-sign you're not going to act like this anymore? I thought we were friends?"

Oh that Freudian slip he stay and serge gets a statue before derozan

[Dverde]

Nephew is still under the original Spurs contract. As long as this goober doesn’t win this year, I’ll be fine with the situation. I would understand if he wanted to leave after his contract was over. That is his right. The whole not being around the team and demanding a trade to only LA teams was the shitty part of the situation.

[Philthemage]

Serge Ibaka is so awkward. No way this guy is under the age of 30

[exstatic]

Serge Ibaka is so awkward. No way this guy is under the age of 30

I think even his false age is now near/over 30.

[Dverde]

I think even his false age is now near/over 30.

No, 30 is his basketball IQ.

[Spurs Homer]

I thought he said "once I stay" not "if I stay"

Can't tell - -

there was a dik in his mouth...

[Johojowhite]

lol

[Johojowhite]

YGWHI, that you?

It's certainly possible he resigns in Toronto. But what I guarantee you is that I wouldn't bet on anything until he signs on the dotted line. Why?

He said, "yeah, for sure" when asked last year if he could see himself retiring or finishing his career in SA. In retrospect it was a steaming pile of horseshit.

So that means he's a lying punkass that has no fucks to give about loyalty to his team. So if I were you, I wouldn't get so hyped about him staying. Honestly, I hope he does stay there. He can suck up max money and play ~60 games per year and undoubtedly be miserable walking from tunnel to tunnel to avoid the Canadian winters. This makes me happy.
Sure it makes you “happy”. :lmao

Get used to watching Demar choking like a bitch in the playoffs for years.

[Twisted_Dawg]

Can't tell - -

there was a dik in his mouth...
:lol:lol:lol:lol:^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^lol:lol:lol:lol

[r0drig0lac]

Kawhi 2017 mode on

[GreekSpursfan]

Already a good day, a very good day but we all know what's coming, damn.

[Fusternino]

Nice airball. Looks like he just shot it with his arms, no legs at all.

[davidbowie]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

IF YOU WANTED TO LOSE IN THE FIRST ROUND COULDA JUST STAYED HERE

UNCLE DENNIS U HOE

[spursparker9]

Someone please make that airball gif

[ShutUp SayItAgain!]

Lmao Kabitch

[phxspurfan]

GOOD JOB KABITCH GET SHIT ON

[GusT15]

Man,Lowry really sucks in the playoffs.It wasn't just DDR all those years...

[ShutUp SayItAgain!]

Go Orlando haha

Fuck it, take game 2 too

[loveforthegame]

Those 0 points from Lowry most impressive. Wow.

[spursistan]

This dude has become a shitty defender..Pretty much a more efficient version of Nuggets Melo at this point..

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Kyle Lowry played awful today. Wow

[GreekSpursfan]

I actually think Toronto is gonna win every single one of the next four games but today is a good day.

[Gibbz]

LOL...To no surprise The Disaster Autist air balls Toronto's last chance to send it to OT.

[GusT15]

https://twitter.com/BBallSociety_/status/1117209794903986177

[Coach X]

Can you imagine nephew going fishing before the Spurs? Unlikely but wouldn’t it be poetical?

[jermaine]

There's no way the Magic is gonna beat Raps.... but it felt so good watching Kawhi choke.

[SpurPadre]

There's no way the Magic is gonna beat Raps.... but it felt so good watching Kawhi choke.

It wouldn't be the most shocking thing in the world, tbh. There is a chance now.

[HarlemHeat37]

Other than maybe Milwaukee, Orlando probably has the best options to defend Kawhi in the league..wouldn't be that surprising if he continues to play at the level he did today, which is good but not great..

Lowry's a historically bad playoff performer, though.. unbelievable..

[Hoops Czar]

There's no way the Magic is gonna beat Raps.... but it felt so good watching Kawhi choke.

That play call to end the game was Popesque.. fadeaway three from the top of the key by Kawhi had zero chance of going in.

[SpurPadre]

The fucker cost us the Championship in '13 with missed free throws so it doesn't surprise me that he choked today, tbh.

[Spurs Homer]

Raptors should have given it to their best player ftw...

siakam

[DAF86]

Kawhi doesn't have much range, tbh. He's a good 3pt Shooter when he's set or has time to set the shot with the dribble, but he's an awful option from 3 coming off a screen in a catch and shoot. His shooting mechanic is just too robotic to pull that kind of shot off.

[GusT15]

That play call to end the game was Popesque.. fadeaway three from the top of the key by Kawhi had zero chance of going in.

Are you serious right now? The Magic would foul if the Raps had designed any other inbound play.Down 3 with 3 secs?

The inbound worked perfectly,the screen was great,nephew had his second free to shoot it and he airballed it.

[UZER]

Gordon has his moments defensively against Kawhi. Played solid ‘don’t foul’ defense. He’s got the length and quickness to bother him. Kawhi has the fade-away though.

[SpurPadre]

Raptors should have given it to their best player ftw...

DeRozan isn't there anymore, tbh...

[Spurs fever]

I won't lie and say it didn't feel good seeing him miss the game winner. Still, I think we should move on.

[SpurPadre]

A REAL max player wouldn't have let his team lose to the fucking Magic in Game 1, tbh.

[Mugen]

Love Danny, one of my favorite Spurs players of all time...

But as long as he's in Toronto or playing with that autistic fuck, I hope he does terribly and they lose every single playoff game. Fuck him tbh :lol

[timvp]

Nephew doesn't play defense much anymore, tbh, but he usually turns it up in the fourth quarter. That didn't really happen in Game 1. His defense on that three at the end was pretty bad -- ineffective, late switch that hung Gasol out to dry.

And that three-pointer ... he has never figured out that you don't need to take a shot right away when you have 3, 4, 5 seconds left. He could have easily gotten a dribble or a headfake or at least avoided a fadeaway from 28, tbh. That's the same bad shot he attempted over Batum a few days ago.

Good news for Toronto is Siakam is a beast. Factoring in injury concerns, he holds more future value than Nephew ... and Nephew is a max player.

But Lowry was always going to be the lead anchor against Toronto making it far in the playoffs. He's simply not a big game player in the postseason. DeRozan got a lot of blame for the playoff failures but Lowry was always as big or a bigger problem.

[TimmyBuckets]

Great defense from nephew on that last possession. Who's Augustin? Strange none of nephew's cucked minions are here with empty "stats". Bet the excuses will arrive shortly.

[GreekSpursfan]

Are you serious right now? The Magic would foul if the Raps had designed any other inbound play.Down 3 with 3 secs?

The inbound worked perfectly,the screen was great,nephew had his second free to shoot it and he airballed it.

Spot on.
Very difficult shot to make though so i won't fault Kawhi for that even though i hate his guts(his guts = his uncle).

[timvp]

Are you serious right now? The Magic would foul if the Raps had designed any other inbound play.Down 3 with 3 secs?

The inbound worked perfectly,the screen was great,nephew had his second free to shoot it and he airballed it.

Teams never foul in that situation. I know Jeff Van Gundy talks about fouling there but in actuality it never happens. The risk of a four-point play is way too high, especially when you're up three.

[Hoops Czar]

Are you serious right now? The Magic would foul if the Raps had designed any other inbound play.Down 3 with 3 secs?

The inbound worked perfectly,the screen was great,nephew had his second free to shoot it and he airballed it.

Kawhi can shoot three's but he's not really a three point shooter. The ball should have gone to green or VanVleet in a catch and shoot situation.

[spursistan]

Nephew doesn't play defense much anymore, tbh, but he usually turns it up in the fourth quarter. That didn't really happen in Game 1. His defense on that three at the end was pretty bad -- ineffective, late switch that hung Gasol out to dry.

And that three-pointer ... he has never figured out that you don't need to take a shot right away when you have 3, 4, 5 seconds left. He could have easily gotten a dribble or a headfake or at least avoided a fadeaway from 28, tbh. That's the same bad shot he attempted over Batum a few days ago.

Good news for Toronto is Siakam is a beast. Factoring in injury concerns, he holds more future value than Nephew ... and Nephew is a max player.

But Lowry was always going to be the lead anchor against Toronto making it far in the playoffs. He's simply not a big game player in the postseason. DeRozan got a lot of blame for the playoff failures but Lowry was always as big or a bigger problem.

This what I was trying ton keep my focus on in this game. If Kawhi is no longer the two-way terror we saw from 2015-17, his efficient offense alone is nothing to write home about compared to the likes of Harden/Curry/KD. Those guys can affect the game far more than he does with the ball in their hands.

[GusT15]

Teams never foul in that situation. I know Jeff Van Gundy talks about fouling there but in actuality it never happens. The risk of a four-point play is way too high, especially when you're up three.

They had a foul to give though,it wasn't free throws automatically.

It was basically a catch and shoot.Yes,a head fake would work cause the defender got stuck in the screen and was already in motion,but other than that,Nephew had a golden opportunity to tie it.

If they had made an inbound post up or step pass throu Gasol for a corner 3 with a back screen,Magic fouls,and then you have to inbound down 3 with 1 sec left.

[HarlemHeat37]

Kawhi only played 33 minutes:lol

[JeffDuncan]

Leonard is nowhere near as spry as he used to be on defense, but man, the Raps coaching is hopeless. A total crapshow. All that talent, and they could get swept. They look as clueless on offense as a bunch of rookies.

[ThaBigFundamental21]

Siakam with 24 shots, Leonard with 18. Typical beta bullshit.

[Fusternino]

He could've easily done a power dribble forward and then a mini step-back to get a better shot.

[Leetonidas]

Leonard is nowhere near as spry as he used to be on defense, but man, the Raps coaching is hopeless. A total crapshow. All that talent, and they could get swept. They look as clueless on offense as a bunch of rookies.

That Nurse retard comes off like he thinks he's some kind of genius coach :lol

[timvp]

Leonard is nowhere near as spry as he used to be on defense, but man, the Raps coaching is hopeless. A total crapshow. All that talent, and they could get swept. They look as clueless on offense as a bunch of rookies.

Eh, Toronto can still sleepwalk to the ECF. The Sixers have looked bad for a while now and looked even worse today. Anything short of an ECF appearance would be a massive failure for a team with that much of a talent advantage.

But the Bucks, with halfway decent health, should beat them and they'd have no shot against the Warriors, IMO.

[TD 21]

:lmao At not even attempting to fight over the screen with the game on the line (against a plus 3-point shooter no less) and forcing the immobile Gasol to contest late.

:lmao At playing 33 minutes, with no foul trouble, in a playoff game.

:lmao At the media for continue to slurp him and their organization, when his playoff resume as a featured player is lousy.

[GusT15]

Kawhi can shoot three's but he's not really a three point shooter. The ball should have gone to green or VanVleet in a catch and shoot situation.

Absolutely,and i think if #2 had not hit his previous 2 shots in the clutch-a 2 and a 3-they use him as bait and go for Vanvleet or LDN.He obviously wanted the ball.But the inbound play was great either way.
(They did actually use nephew as bait in these type of situations during the regular season,should've gone with something like that again)

[GreekSpursfan]

In a situation like this when you have so little time you shoot right away or you may end up with the ball in your hands and no time. Orlando had a foul to give, its not like they didn't have a foul to give and it was an automatic two FTs in which case i agree that NBA teams usually never foul there.

[spursistan]

Kawhi only played 33 minutes:lol

Ridiculous, tbh..That's a game where he should be doing 40-42 minutes at his age.

[HarlemHeat37]

Ridiculous, tbh..That's a game where he should be doing 40-42 minutes at his age.

You have to assume that Kawhi's people have a minutes restriction order IMO..

[timvp]

This what I was trying ton keep my focus on in this game. If Kawhi is no longer the two-way terror we saw from 2015-17, his efficient offense alone is nothing to write home about compared to the likes of Harden/Curry/KD. Those guys can affect the game far more than he does with the ball in their hands.

Nephew isn't quite in that trio's category offensively but he's good enough on that end to command a max deal. Very likely a top 10 offensive weapon in the league, IMO. Defensively, though, he gets by on his reputation and can sometimes step it up and string together a few great possessions but usually he plays at an average level on that end.

[Spurs fever]

That Nurse retard comes off like he thinks he's some kind of genius coach :lol Hahaha! He sure did.

[spursistan]

:lmao At not even attempting to fight over the screen with the game on the line (against a plus 3-point shooter no less) and forcing the immobile Gasol to contest late.

:lmao At playing 33 minutes, with no foul trouble, in a playoff game.

:lmao At the media for continue to slurp him and their organization, when his playoff resume as a featured player is lousy.



I'm no longer blaming Pop like I used to do. This guy simply can't shoulder any sort of heavy load a typical superstar would be lifting at his age..

[timvp]

In a situation like this when you have so little time you shoot right away or you may end up with the ball in your hands and no time. Orlando had a foul to give, its not like they didn't have a foul to give and it was an automatic two FTs in which case i agree that NBA teams usually never foul there.

No team is going to give a foul with three seconds to go with the ball in the hands of a three-point shooter when you're up three points. That impossible. Someone lunges to commit a foul, the shooter would just shoot the ball.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Nephew isn't quite in that trio's category offensively but he's good enough on that end to command a max deal. Very likely a top 10 offensive weapon in the league, IMO. Defensively, though, he gets by on his reputation and can sometimes step it up and string together a few great possessions but usually he plays at an average level on that end.


Should be the end of that particular part of the discussion.

[Trainwreck2100]

That play call to end the game was Popesque.. fadeaway three from the top of the key by Kawhi had zero chance of going in.

For a czar you really missed the play if you think that was the playcall it was a double stunt the first was for danny and the second was for kawhi, Gasol really fucked up the screen on Kawhi, but he shouldn't have been so deep anyway.

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Should be the end of that particular part of the discussion.

Yep. I certainly wouldn't sign him to a max deal at 5 years. Or 4. Maybe 3.

Maybe 4 after one year of seeing him play back to backs and not phoning it in on defense the way he seems to be doing this year.

[Dverde]

Raptor fans are already accepting he is leaving on Twitter. Just search Kawhi and see the meltdown. They are mostly blaming 0-7 Lowry and not Nephew for the loss. They seemed jinxed at home for some reason.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Yep. I certainly wouldn't sign him to a max deal at 5 years. Or 4. Maybe 3.

Maybe 4 after one year of seeing him play back to backs and not phoning it in on defense the way he seems to be doing this year.


What TIMVP said is that he's good enough to command a max deal. And he is. Dissecting it any further is beyond pointless. His next deal will be a max deal. The only possible exception is if he makes a sweetheart deal to get where he wants to be, and to allow them to sign another max player. I don't think his uncle would let him do that.

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What TIMVP said is that he's good enough to command a max deal. And he is. Dissecting it any further is beyond pointless. His next deal will be a max deal. The only possible exception is if he makes a sweetheart deal to get where he wants to be, and to allow them to sign another max player. I don't think his uncle would let him do that.

Undoubtedly someone will sign him to a max deal. Not challenging that it will happen. I'm challenging the sanity of that.

He's too fragile and doesn't play enough games. And has leadership issues. And his defense is not what it was.

All that adds up to a unenviable position of offering it or not. I wouldn't do it. I think not doing so led to his exit from SA.

I'd rather sign a much older LouWill to a max than Nephew.

[YGWHI]

When people say here that Kawhi didn't play defense anymore....He was on Aaron Gordon most game. Gordon finished with only 10 points in .30 FG%

If you think the last play on DJ was only Kawhi's fault...What's about Marc being so slow there???

But but his defense isn't the same... it's all Kawhi's fault :cry :cry

[ElNono]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/0d3c8f58a075026ab54d0bcafdd5cb56/tenor.gif

[YGWHI]

Other than maybe Milwaukee, Orlando probably has the best options to defend Kawhi in the league..wouldn't be that surprising if he continues to play at the level he did today, which is good but not great..

He made 5 points in a row to give his team the lead remaining 1 minute. Super-efficient .56 FG% .60 3P% shooting in the game.

Lowry and Nurse shit the bed. Kawhi needed more shots in a close game instead of watching Lowry Ibaka and Powell missing their shots.

Also, it's dumb to think his camp asked for less minutes when Nurse played all his starters but Siakam 31-33 minutes. That's on Nurse too.

[acoelho1]

Nephew just doesn't look the same as that guy who had 7 steals against the Warriors. I still say he has some long term issue or he's not going all out to protect his max deal. Nevertheless, Toronto fans must be beside themselves.. you bring in nephew to close out games like this and he comes up short just like previous Raptor teams.

[YGWHI]

Nephew just doesn't look the same as that guy who had 7 steals against the Warriors. I still say he has some long term issue or he's not going all out to protect his max deal. Nevertheless, Toronto fans must be beside themselves.. you bring in nephew to close out games like this and he comes up short just like previous Raptor teams.

Yep...I wonder why they trust in Kawhi in crunch time... 9-18 this season. .50%

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[SpurPadre]

It'll be interesting to see how he gets used to playing consecutive games the rest of the way. His ass is lucky the league looked out for him by having Game 2 on Tuesday instead of Monday.

[Dverde]

I still think that Fat Gasol trade gives Toronto a chance. Ibaka, Lowry are inconsistent playoff performers. Gasol is on the decline, but can still hit a big shot. They will beat Orlando. Brooklyn much more likely to pull the upset. If so, Brett Brown better start looking for realtor. Another overrated coach from Pop’s tree.

[spursistan]

0 steals

0 blocks

Congratulations on turning into Melo 2.0, Kawhi..

But det .PPG looks nice, though..

[UZER]

He made 5 points in a row to give his team the lead remaining 1 minute. Super-efficient .56 FG% .60 3P% shooting in the game.

Lowry and Nurse shit the bed. Kawhi needed more shots in a close game instead of watching Lowry Ibaka and Powell missing their shots.

Also, it's dumb to think his camp asked for less minutes when Nurse played all his starters but Siakam 31-33 minutes. That's on Nurse too.

If only Kawhi could go hard day in day out light you do. 33 minutes. :lol

[JeffDuncan]

... Brooklyn much more likely to pull the upset. If so, Brett Brown better start looking for realtor. Another overrated coach from Pop’s tree.

If anything, Brown is under rated. Look at all the crap he's had to deal with there. The multi-year tanking, to the point the league intervened. The Fultz fiasco.. The Jimmy Butler deal. Etc. Gotta admire Brown for still even wanting to try to coach that disaster zone.

[skin27]

:lmaoKawhi

[YGWHI]

If only Kawhi could go hard day in day out light you do. 33 minutes. :lol

He played 33 minutes because his coach is a completely stupid

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Nurse can't make a decent call even if his life depends on it..

[YGWHI]

0 steals

0 blocks

Congratulations on turning into Melo 2.0, Kawhi..

But det .PPG looks nice, though..

I wonder who guarded Aaron Gordon and forced him to finish with only 10 pts in .30 FG%

[TDMVPDPOY]

wtf was lowry still in the game when other team made their run

wtf is he still in the game closing out quarters and that final 2min of the game? clown was lost on every defensive play....where he got beat... then again having fleet or lin out there will be the same shit...undersized midgets

[jermaine]

The Magic dont take advantage of the mismatches they have in the paint. I seen Issac have Kyle on him in the post an pass it out. Gordan also.... they need to punish Kyle for getting in the paint.

[SpurPadre]

Nice try Clips. Now end this soon, Dubs so we can all see the game in its entirety, tbh.

[SpurPadre]

Nice try Clips. Now end this soon, Dubs so we can all see the game in its entirety, tbh.

Fuck, posted in the wrong thread. Fuck Kawhi, btw.

[RC_Drunkford]

I wonder who guarded Aaron Gordon and forced him to finish with only 10 pts in .30 FG%

I wonder who was eating dicks with Ibaka a few days ago

[exstatic]

I wonder who guarded Aaron Gordon and forced him to finish with only 10 pts in .30 FG%

The question is, why were they hiding Kawhi on an offensive garbage picker like Gordon?

[acoelho1]

Yep...I wonder why they trust in Kawhi in crunch time... 9-18 this season. .50%

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The real season doesn't start until the playoffs and it's a lot more difficult when you don't have Manu and Duncan setting you up to be successful. But you keep up Kawhi's jock. It's noble work you are doing.

[YGWHI]

The question is, why were they hiding Kawhi on an offensive garbage picker like Gordon?
Gordon isn't a liability on the offensive end. He can score, he finished with 27 pts in his last game of the season. Obviously he never took the next step on his development but under any circumstances he's bad.

[YGWHI]

The real season doesn't start until the playoffs and it's a lot more difficult when you don't have Manu and Duncan setting you up to be successful. But you keep up Kawhi's jock. It's noble work you are doing.

Don't lie. Kawhi had the best playoffs of his career without Tim.

[daslicer]

Don't lie. Kawhi had the best playoffs of his career without Tim.

Even if this poster you responded to is lying it is weird how you consistently defend a guy who doesn't play for the Spurs anymore. A super majority of people(including myself) will always hate #2 for the shit he pulled off last year and rightfully so. I don't see the point in consistently defending a guy in here that will always be hated.

[YGWHI]

" In what little time he played, Leonard was magnificent. Aaron Gordon did everything he could to stop Leonard, but the Magic eventually relented and started doubling Leonard late in the fourth. However, that didn’t stop Leonard as he drilled a step-back three and nailed a baseline fadeaway to give the Raptors a late lead. He also did a good job of distributing when the traps came his way, as Leonard found Lowry slipping the screen which led to a layup for Gasol, and to Gasol wide open for three. Expect this level of production from Leonard throughout the playoffs, so long as Nurse actually lets him play."

About the last play where Kawhi "didn't play defense anymore"

Marc Gasol had a great game overall in limiting Nikola Vucevic to 11 points on 3-of-14 shooting, but he made a mistake on the final possession by backing off D.J. Augustin on the game-winning three. Chalk that error down to instinct — the game plan all night called for Gasol to hang back with Vucevic, but with four seconds left, Gasol absolutely should have come out and ran Augustin off the line. To make matters worse, Gasol also clanked a wide-open corner three on the previous possession that would have given Toronto the lead

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/10-things-from-raptors-magic-game-1-012733651.html

[blah28]

About the last play where Kawhi "didn't play defense anymore"


https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/10-things-from-raptors-magic-game-1-012733651.html

We get it you love Kawhi. He is the greatest ever.

[YGWHI]

Even if this poster you responded to is lying it is weird how you consistently defend a guy who doesn't play for the Spurs anymore. A super majority of people(including myself) will always hate #2 for the shit he pulled off last year and rightfully so. I don't see the point in consistently defending a guy in here that will always be hated.

Me against the Masses...I always enjoyed this role

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Me against the Masses...I always enjoyed this role

Siakam is or will soon be a better all around player. In this game, he boarded better. He assisted better. Had more blocks. And only had one less point.

And he doesn't load manage.

[duncan2k5]

A REAL max player wouldn't have let his team lose to the fucking Magic in Game 1, tbh.

We lost some bad game 1s with Duncan tbh

[duncan2k5]

Anyone who thinks playing 30 minutes is on Kawhi and not the coach is stupid as hell... Kawhi didn't tell the coach to cut his minutes in a playoff game

[UZER]

Anyone who thinks playing 30 minutes is on Kawhi and not the coach is stupid as hell... Kawhi didn't tell the coach to cut his minutes in a playoff game

The dude had uncle instructed load management all year long. :lol

[SpursforSix]

We lost some bad game 1s with Duncan tbh

That’s a crazy ass comparison.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Lowry did all he could to carry the team but he just couldn't keep the Raps afloat with that #2 lead anchor tied to his feet. Team leader Lowry once again led the team in assists and played amazing defense as well with a team high in steals. He also grabbed more rebounds than nephew. His shot may have been a little off but he didn't force the issue and finished with a team high +11 tonight. The slurpers will point to Lowry as the reason why Toronto lost but the truth was that Toronto was much better with him on the court than him off the court. Stats don't lie.

Danny was also solid tonight scoring in double digits and playing stellar defense. Gasol had a solid game too and completely shut down All Star Vucivic. Siakim played like a star tonight and really carried the Raptors early when nephew was struggling. It's a shame that his great game will be forgotten bc Kawhi decided like airballing a game tying 3.

Overall the blame goes on nephew. He played lackadaisical defense that didn't inspire any fear in Orlando. He didn't get any teammates involved offensively and didn't even try to play any semblance of defense on the game winner by Augustine. Nephew will continue to be protected by the media bc nobody cares about Toronto, but his intensity hasn't gone up at all in the playoffs like many slurpers here stated as gospel that it would. He has always been afraid to take the big shot in the playoffs. And that will probably continue the rest of his career.

Nice Carmelo Anthony regular season player though. I mean, Melo got max money back in the day so I don't see why the new Melo won't.

[YGWHI]

His shot may have been a little off
A "little off"...He scored zero points in a whole playoffs game!

He's the starting point guard and best paid player on the team.

We would kill LMA or any other starter if the Spurs lose and they finish without a single point.

So it's fine if Lowry missed ALL his shots in a playoffs game but Kawhi deserves "the blame" for missed a 3 when he already shot 3-5 .60 3p% this game.



Siakim played like a star tonight and really carried the Raptors early when nephew was struggling.

What a joke...Kawhi started 4-4 and scored 11 points in the 1st quarter.

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Don't lie.

[vander]

If only Kawhi could go hard day in day out light you do.
Ygwhi is tireless man, and to what end? what is the point of all that work defending nephew here?

[TDMVPDPOY]

shouldve kept him and get rid of that choker lma

[skin27]

shouldve kept him and get rid of that choker lma


kawhi is a choker too like what he did tonight:lmao

[daslicer]

shouldve kept him and get rid of that choker lma

:lol Choker LMA hit 2 clutch freethrows to win the game.

[kw780101]

Even if this poster you responded to is lying it is weird how you consistently defend a guy who doesn't play for the Spurs anymore. A super majority of people(including myself) will always hate #2 for the shit he pulled off last year and rightfully so. I don't see the point in consistently defending a guy in here that will always be hated.

He is a Kawhi fanboy not a Spurs fan. It's simple, if you defend/support that snake after what he did last year, don't call yourself a Spurs fan.

[Ozballer]

He is a Kawhi fanboy not a Spurs fan. It's simple, if you defend/support that snake after what he did last year, don't call yourself a Spurs fan.

He is on Uncle's payroll. PR hush money like a few other journos out there....

[daslicer]

He is on Uncle's payroll. PR hush money like a few other journos out there....

For his sake I would hope he is because if he's not then he's a hardcore cuck.

[Ozballer]

He is on Uncle's payroll. PR hush money like a few other journos out there....

They objective now is to make sure he gets a max contract, so they are throwing all the PR machinery (which isn't much really on this forum) behind it. Negotiations must be looking a bit shaky right now...

[BillMc]

Would love to see Toronto Fungi lose in the first round.

[Ozballer]

For his sake I would hope he is because if he's not then he's a hardcore cuck.

Exactly. He is no fool and quite articulate and selective in his interventions. Like the typical cowboy media journos out there, well trained to push a point relentlessly. Agenda / propaganda style.

[TDomination]

It's super unlikely but man imagine kawhi raptors being eliminated in first round and then derozan spurs go on to 2nd round.

Spurs can realistically win but it's unlikely for the Raptors to lose 3 more to the magic. Would be sweet though

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:lol Choker LMA hit 2 clutch freethrows to win the game.

Yep. Those two free throws enabled Whites aggressive defense because we had a 3 pt lead. Worse case scenario, Denver shoots a pair of free throws there, down 3, thanks to LMA.

Meanwhile, we are at 6 if Load Management hits two free throws.

[JeffDuncan]

It's super unlikely but man imagine kawhi raptors being eliminated in first round and then derozan spurs go on to 2nd round.

Spurs can realistically win but it's unlikely for the Raptors to lose 3 more to the magic. Would be sweet though

If that retardo coach doesn't see the light quick, the Raps could get swept, and that ain't no joke. They are in trouble. They've got no NBA offense.

[Fusternino]

Nurse is trash. The new Scott Brooks for sure.

[HarlemHeat37]

If that retardo coach doesn't see the light quick, the Raps could get swept, and that ain't no joke. They are in trouble. They've got no NBA offense.

It's not the coach's fault that Lowry can't make shots:lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

Yep. Those two free throws enabled Whites aggressive defense because we had a 3 pt lead. Worse case scenario, Denver shoots a pair of free throws there, down 3, thanks to LMA.

Meanwhile, we are at 6 if Load Management hits two free throws.

As most people have said on here & reiterated many times, no sure thing at all that we win in 2014 if we win in 2013. Not sure the motivation is there at all and the big 3 were already on their last legs.

[TDMVPDPOY]

As most people have said on here & reiterated many times, no sure thing at all that we win in 2014 if we win in 2013. Not sure the motivation is there at all and the big 3 were already on their last legs.

just like the following year, happy to make the playoffs instead of trying to defend the championship go for a repeat....losing to the clippers

[Millennial_Messiah]

just like the following year, happy to make the playoffs instead of trying to defend the championship go for a repeat....losing to the clippers

I felt like 2016 was the year to win it one more time, I felt Spurs were the best team in the NBA that year and could have toppled the 73-9 Warriors that year in six or even five games, even without HCA. If not for the bad calls against the Thunderefs.

[ECOV]

Yep. Those two free throws enabled Whites aggressive defense because we had a 3 pt lead. Worse case scenario, Denver shoots a pair of free throws there, down 3, thanks to LMA.

Meanwhile, we are at 6 if Load Management hits two free throws.

Didn't happen sooooooooooooo

[BillMc]

"Do Not Disturb" :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pPmibhOkJ4

[Mugen]

Top 6-7 player in the league and he ends up with a New Balance deal

It's like in the 90s when you'd ask your parents for some new Jordans and they come home with some brand new Isiah Riders :lol

[BillMc]

It's like in the 90s when you'd ask your parents for some new Jordans and they come home with some brand new Isiah Riders :lol
:lol

[TheDoctor]

Top 6-7 player in the league and he ends up with a New Balance deal

It's like in the 90s when you'd ask your parents for some new Jordans and they come home with some brand new Isiah Riders :lol
LMAO :lmao

[ShutUp SayItAgain!]

Top 6-7 player in the league and he ends up with a New Balance deal

It's like in the 90s when you'd ask your parents for some new Jordans and they come home with some brand new Isiah Riders :lol

:lol

[gambit1990]

kawhi shooting 12 of 15 atm.

[loveforthegame]

Leonard is unreal.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Leonard is unreal.

If we can get him back and basically have gotten DeRozan for free...


LMA/Kawhi/DeRozan/White/Murray would be impossible to stop, we'd kill the Warriors with that

[K...]

If we can get him back and basically have gotten DeRozan for free...


LMA/Kawhi/DeRozan/White/Murray would be impossible to stop, we'd kill the Warriors with that

fuck anyone who wants the nephew back. Just fuck that.

[Millennial_Messiah]

fuck anyone who wants the nephew back. Just fuck that.

look, it's 1 year. Young people make mistakes. What if he takes a little less than the max to come back? I would welcome him back with open arms. To win a championship, are you fucking kidding me?

[Play Boban]

:lol at the fools who think Kawhitter would come back here

[Spurs fever]

I'd take him back, but he's not gonna come back so I'll move on. It's too bad things couldn't work out just as he's entering his prime.

[objective]

Even load managed Kawhi is 100 times the playoffs preformer DeRozan will ever be and the pushover Spurs are now stuck with DeRozan. Should have just sat Kawhi out for the year