What are you playing right now?

[DJR210]

You'd be broke AF. Now if you had a dollar for every time I typed "Shin Megami Tensei" you could probably make a trip or two to Valentine.

She retired..

Seriously though, I ran into her one time near Medical Center.. Face is way worse in person, and she's one of those obnoxious loud mouth west side whores that ends every attempted joke with "ahhhh"

[DJR210]

Google is giving away Assassin's Creed Odyssey on PC free for testing their streaming service.. only need to log one hour too :tu

https://www.engadget.com/2018/12/18/google-project-stream-test-free-assassins-creed-odyssey/

[baseline bum]

Google is giving away Assassin's Creed Odyssey on PC free for testing their streaming service.. only need to log one hour too :tu

https://www.engadget.com/2018/12/18/google-project-stream-test-free-assassins-creed-odyssey/

CPY's deal is better tbh

[140]

CPY's deal is better tbh
this, tbh

[redzero]

Octopath was getting a little boring (I should not have power-leveled), so I went back to Mario Odyssey. I haven't played any of the 3D Mario games outside of this, and the game is so fun. This and Breath of the Wild make me want to go back and play old Mario and Zelda games.

[DJR210]

CPY's deal is better tbh

Agreed.. the CPY edition is already in my library :tu

[spurraider21]

the final DLC for spider-man was released today.

i'll consider buying the pass for all 3 at some point later, but dont plan on jumping into that any time soon.

another option would be to sell my Spiderman game right now and just buy a game of the year version later with DLC included. might be marginally cheaper but probably not worth the hassle to skim a few bucks

[baseline bum]

the final DLC for spider-man was released today.

i'll consider buying the pass for all 3 at some point later, but dont plan on jumping into that any time soon.

another option would be to sell my Spiderman game right now and just buy a game of the year version later with DLC included. might be marginally cheaper but probably not worth the hassle to skim a few bucks

Sometimes saves won't be equivalent in GOTY vs regular editions I think, so you might have to start from scratch in a GOTY edition.

[spurraider21]

Sometimes saves won't be equivalent in GOTY vs regular editions I think, so you might have to start from scratch in a GOTY edition.
ah, hadn't even thought of that angle. but yeah wouldn't be worth that hassle anyway.

[Joseph Kony]

starting to play Warhammer Vermintide II. seemed like a decent pickup for 10 bucks

[baseline bum]

Damn Walmart has Switch Pro Controllers for $50 today. HEB Plus too. Just picked up one of these bitches not too long ago. I may end up using it as my PC controller too since my 13 year old 360 controller has developed a large dead zone in both sticks and one of the buttons is starting to stick.

[Joseph Kony]

Damn Walmart has Switch Pro Controllers for $50 today. HEB Plus too. Just picked up one of these bitches not too long ago. I may end up using it as my PC controller too since my 13 year old 360 controller has developed a large dead zone in both sticks and one of the buttons is starting to stick.

https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Xbox-One-Wired-Controller-White/dp/B07D12RPHX/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_63_t_1?th=1

what i use tbh....does a good job for $20 :tu

[baseline bum]

https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Xbox-One-Wired-Controller-White/dp/B07D12RPHX/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_63_t_1?th=1

what i use tbh....does a good job for $20 :tu

You have an XBox One right? What's the battery life like on the official controller that comes with the system? I'd love to use the DualShock 4 but that thing only gets about 7-8 hours before needing a charge. So that's out.

[baseline bum]

LMAO. I just started Bayonetta on the Switch and there is a slutty Peach costume.

[Joseph Kony]

You have an XBox One right? What's the battery life like on the official controller that comes with the system? I'd love to use the DualShock 4 but that thing only gets about 7-8 hours before needing a charge. So that's out.

its pretty decent, but i have the rechargable batteries and a dock for them so i dont really remember, never have to think about it anymore

[baseline bum]

its pretty decent, but i have the rechargable batteries and a dock for them so i dont really remember, never have to think about it anymore

LOL one of the big pluses for me with the XBone controller is it uses AA batteries so I can just use my rechargeables with it. I hate having all these USB charge cables plugged into my PC.

So I was reading Microsoft claims 30 hours life out of the official 1400 mAh battery pack. Since I use 2100 mAh batteries I should do pretty decent on battery life on that controller then. Tells you how shitty the PS4 controller is since it has a 1400 mAh battery and that fucker can't last 8 hours.

[ElNono]

the final DLC for spider-man was released today.

i'll consider buying the pass for all 3 at some point later, but dont plan on jumping into that any time soon.

another option would be to sell my Spiderman game right now and just buy a game of the year version later with DLC included. might be marginally cheaper but probably not worth the hassle to skim a few bucks

I completed the other two and they were really short, tbh. Not sure how long this last one is, but overall, didn’t think it was worth the extra $30 (although, with games like RDR2 retailing for $80, that might be debatable)

[baseline bum]

I completed the other two and they were really short, tbh. Not sure how long this last one is, but overall, didn’t think it was worth the extra $30 (although, with games like RDR2 retailing for $80, that might be debatable)

????

That shit is $60 everywhere I have seen, and that's what I paid for it.

[ElNono]

Was at Walmart the other day and it was $79.98. Maybe it was a special version.

[ElNono]

I paid $60 for the digital

[baseline bum]

Was at Walmart the other day and it was $79.98. Maybe it was a special version.

Sounds like it because the base game is $60 everywhere and it's what I paid for it on physical from Gamestop. Special editions are retarded.

[resistanze]

Any PC games recommended over the past year? Been out of the game for a bit tbh

[DJR210]

Any PC games recommended over the past year? Been out of the game for a bit tbh

Most are ports, but they're the definitive versions either way:

Action/Adventure
-Assassin's Creed Origins and Odyssey
-Hitman 2
-Shadow of the Tomb Raider
-Sniper Elite 4

FPS
-Insurgency Sandstorm
-Squad
-Ghost Recon Wildlands

Strategy
-Cities Skylines and all the content updates
-Jurassic World Evolution
-Shadow Tactics

Sports
-Madden 19 - (Madden at a constant 90+ frames is great)
-Fire Pro Wrestling World

[baseline bum]

Any PC games recommended over the past year? Been out of the game for a bit tbh

Zelda BOTW

[resistanze]

Most are ports, but they're the definitive versions either way:

Action/Adventure
-Assassin's Creed Origins and Odyssey
-Hitman 2
-Shadow of the Tomb Raider
-Sniper Elite 4

FPS
-Insurgency Sandstorm
-Squad
-Ghost Recon Wildlands

Strategy
-Cities Skylines and all the content updates
-Jurassic World Evolution
-Shadow Tactics

Sports
-Madden 19 - (Madden at a constant 90+ frames is great)
-Fire Pro Wrestling World

Good looking out brah. Can't wait to get back to SF and catch up

[resistanze]

Zelda BOTW

CEMU? Don't know fuck all about current gen emulators.

[baseline bum]

CEMU? Don't know fuck all about current gen emulators.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blWslmw7wGA

[spurraider21]

rdr2 is very addicting and time consuming as hell. i'll spend 3 hours in a night and realize i've only done one actual mission the whole time. but it never feels stale.

only thing that bothers me is the constant need for upkeep. i dont bother eating that much food because i usually maintain decent health. make sure i sleep to refill cores, etc. but then my character is "underweight"... and it feels like to waste to eat food when my cores area already full.

but its hard to put the controller down and time flies while playing. i haven't really picked up on how to hunt all that well yet, and haven't unlocked fishing yet.

[Xevious]

If you hunt even a little bit your inventory will be overflowing with meat. Before I learned how to get clean kills I'd just blast deer from horseback. :lol Works just as well if all you want to do is eat.

Alligators are super easy to get perfect kills on as long as you have a rifle (they generally just lay there unless you approach them). And they yield "big game meat" which supposedly has the highest amount of calories.

[redzero]

Octopath Traveler's final dungeon is a real motherfucker. Eight buffed versions of previous bosses and ZERO saves. THEN, the final boss has TWO stages (the second of which I haven't seen yet, because the first part is ridiculously annoying and difficult). To top it all off, the last fight is a slog. I probably spent more time fighting and losing to the final boss than I did fighting the eight other bosses combined.

I probably spent five hours on two attempts and I have nothing to show for it. How come FFXV wasn't this fucking hard, Square Enix? The only saving grace is that there are no random encounters.

[leemajors]

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/12/evidence-continues-to-mount-about-how-bad-denuvo-is-for-pc-gaming-performance/

Denuvo just bad.

[Joseph Kony]

Octopath Traveler's final dungeon is a real motherfucker. Eight buffed versions of previous bosses and ZERO saves. THEN, the final boss has TWO stages (the second of which I haven't seen yet, because the first part is ridiculously annoying and difficult). To top it all off, the last fight is a slog. I probably spent more time fighting and losing to the final boss than I did fighting the eight other bosses combined.

I probably spent five hours on two attempts and I have nothing to show for it. How come FFXV wasn't this fucking hard, Square Enix? The only saving grace is that there are no random encounters.

oh boy, not looking forward to getting to this part :lol

[redzero]

oh boy, not looking forward to getting to this part :lol

The biggest problem is getting rid of the minions surrounding the boss. They have a lot of health, fish out a lot of damage, change weaknesses after being attacked, and respawning constantly. I was in an infinite loop of trying to kill them, until I was put out of my misery.

I would be fine with it if I could save beforehand, but nope! Once one enters the final dungeon, that's a wrap.

[DJR210]

This shit looks fucking epic


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrMRjK_5RRU

[spurraider21]

i'm still on chapter 2 of red dead. trying to take my time.

in GTA games, i usually just blitz through the missions, as the side content feels so detached from the main game. and by side content, i'm referring to ancillary activities, not the devoted side quests. investing in stocks, wtf? just by doing missions you have enough money to not worry about shit. who cares about buying nice cars, you can just steal ones and get where you want. GTA side content always felt tacky and i never cared for it.

in RDR2 the side content still feels like part of the game. hunting, collecting pelts/carcasses are good for your camp. doing robberies on the side helps your camp, so it all feels like it's contributing to the story.

with that said, i went out of my way to kill the legendary buck, because the trinket you get from that improves the pelt quality of animals you kill thereafter, since my goal is to unlock that last satchel before going on with the story and you need a crap-ton of "perfect" quality pelts for that. i always seem to have an excess of privisions/tonics. i dont want to waste them when my meters are all full, but then i constantly have to leave loot behind, which feels like a waste.

[baseline bum]

GTA side content always felt tacky and i never cared for it.

I liked the Trevor side missions in GTA V where you helped that real estate guy in exchange for getting to plow his wife.

[spurraider21]

I liked the Trevor side missions in GTA V where you helped that real estate guy in exchange for getting to plow his wife.
yeah i did the stranger missions as well. there was also one with franklin where you take video of some celebrity getting nailed in her backyard.

but i'm really talkin about random activities like stocks, darts, tennis, etc. they just felt so detached from the rest of the game. red dead has some of that too, with poker/dominoes/five finger fillet. i mean sure, some of those kinda mix with the lore of being a cowboy/outlaw, but it doesn't really feel like its part of the game. but you can spend a couple of hours straight up hunting and looking for high quality pelts and it doesn't feel like a "side activity" tbh

[DJR210]

i'm still on chapter 2 of red dead. trying to take my time.

in GTA games, i usually just blitz through the missions, as the side content feels so detached from the main game. and by side content, i'm referring to ancillary activities, not the devoted side quests. investing in stocks, wtf? just by doing missions you have enough money to not worry about shit. who cares about buying nice cars, you can just steal ones and get where you want. GTA side content always felt tacky and i never cared for it.

in RDR2 the side content still feels like part of the game. hunting, collecting pelts/carcasses are good for your camp. doing robberies on the side helps your camp, so it all feels like it's contributing to the story.

with that said, i went out of my way to kill the legendary buck, because the trinket you get from that improves the pelt quality of animals you kill thereafter, since my goal is to unlock that last satchel before going on with the story and you need a crap-ton of "perfect" quality pelts for that. i always seem to have an excess of privisions/tonics. i dont want to waste them when my meters are all full, but then i constantly have to leave loot behind, which feels like a waste.

The stock market allows you to net large amounts of money earlier than the missions will, and you can't customize stolen cars. Pretty much every activity in GTA will net you something worthwhile if you complete the tasks.

[spurraider21]

The stock market allows you to net large amounts of money earlier than the missions will, and you can't customize stolen cars. Pretty much every activity in GTA will net you something worthwhile if you complete the tasks.
its probably weird given that GTA used to be all about cars (hence the franchise title) but i never cared for owning/customizing cars in the game. again, that whole process just felt like side activity that didnt have anything to do with the rest of the game. i mean, what part of michael/trevor/franklin's stories really had anything to do about cars? a repo mission for franklin? and one mission where you steal high end cars towards the end of the game.

and the getaway cars for heists were predetermined, and not something you could bring to the table

[baseline bum]

yeah i did the stranger missions as well. there was also one with franklin where you take video of some celebrity getting nailed in her backyard.

but i'm really talkin about random activities like stocks, darts, tennis, etc. they just felt so detached from the rest of the game. red dead has some of that too, with poker/dominoes/five finger fillet. i mean sure, some of those kinda mix with the lore of being a cowboy/outlaw, but it doesn't really feel like its part of the game. but you can spend a couple of hours straight up hunting and looking for high quality pelts and it doesn't feel like a "side activity" tbh

I kind of liked the tennis but agreed on the other shit.

[Xevious]

i'm still on chapter 2 of red dead. trying to take my time.

in GTA games, i usually just blitz through the missions, as the side content feels so detached from the main game. and by side content, i'm referring to ancillary activities, not the devoted side quests. investing in stocks, wtf? just by doing missions you have enough money to not worry about shit. who cares about buying nice cars, you can just steal ones and get where you want. GTA side content always felt tacky and i never cared for it.

in RDR2 the side content still feels like part of the game. hunting, collecting pelts/carcasses are good for your camp. doing robberies on the side helps your camp, so it all feels like it's contributing to the story.

with that said, i went out of my way to kill the legendary buck, because the trinket you get from that improves the pelt quality of animals you kill thereafter, since my goal is to unlock that last satchel before going on with the story and you need a crap-ton of "perfect" quality pelts for that. i always seem to have an excess of privisions/tonics. i dont want to waste them when my meters are all full, but then i constantly have to leave loot behind, which feels like a waste.
Make sure you do all the optional stranger quests also. I felt like some of them, especially towards the end of the game, were just as important as the main story quests.

[spurraider21]

Make sure you do all the optional stranger quests also. I felt like some of them, especially towards the end of the game, were just as important as the main story quests.
yeah i've been doing those as i come across them. but the dinosaur bone one feels tedious. i haven't noticed bones anywhere, and i feel like its gonna be impossible to find shit without just straight up using an online guide, and that never seems fun.

the gunslinger one is pretty cool tbh, but i feel like the duel mechanic kinda sucks

[Xevious]

yeah i've been doing those as i come across them. but the dinosaur bone one feels tedious. i haven't noticed bones anywhere, and i feel like its gonna be impossible to find shit without just straight up using an online guide, and that never seems fun.
Yeah I'm not really referring to the collection quests, I didn't do the dinosaur bones one as you can't even complete it until the epilogue anyway. The rock carvings one is pretty cool though, just for the reveal at its conclusion.

[spurraider21]

juust started chapter 3. chapter 2 still felt like an expanded tutorial, by and large. but still fun. it's still unclear what the main conflict is going to be. that said, i'm still wary of advancing too far into the story before i finish collecting these fucking pelts. only have a handful to go. still have to get the panther, cougar, and iguana. it doesn't feel worth playing with the limited inventory space you're given. every time i raid a place i end up leaving about 1/3 of the shit behind because "i cant carry more of that item"

speaking of pelts, i was having trouble finding elk, and had to travel pretty far fucking north. got one, started riding back to camp, and about 5% of the way there, encountered a herd of bison, and knew i needed one of their pelts too. got a perfect pelt, but didnt realize i cant stack both those pelts on my horse at the same time.

literally carried the elk pelt over my shoulder and walked the entire fucking way back with my horse following me :lol. took about 15-20 min but felt accomplished. only encountered one dude on a horse the entire way (hoped to steal it, temporarily), but he started shooting me before i did anything and his horse ran off.

[baseline bum]

I was pretty skeptical of Smash Ultimate having never played the series before but it's pretty cool, especially with multiple players.

[Joseph Kony]

Decided to get AC Odyssey for the PC. game is pretty amazing imo. i havent played for enough in RDR2 yet to have a good opinion but having played most of the notable games to come out this year imo AC Odyssey is GOTY

[baseline bum]

Decided to get AC Odyssey for the PC. game is pretty amazing imo. i havent played for enough in RDR2 yet to have a good opinion but having played most of the notable games to come out this year imo AC Odyssey is GOTY

So better than AC Origins? A lot better than AC Origins?

[ElNono]

Decided to get AC Odyssey for the PC. game is pretty amazing imo. i havent played for enough in RDR2 yet to have a good opinion but having played most of the notable games to come out this year imo AC Odyssey is GOTY

I’ll put God of War first, then Odyssey. Spidey and RDR fighting for 3rd place, IMO

[ElNono]

So better than AC Origins? A lot better than AC Origins?

It’s a massive version of Origins, which was already very good. This is a massive game, even without any DLCs and very enjoyable like Origins was, if you like the mechanics.

[SpursforSix]

I was pretty skeptical of Smash Ultimate having never played the series before but it's pretty cool, especially with multiple players.

Yeah...it’s pretty good. Although I was disappointed in the story mode. On the Wii, it was actually a pretty fun platform scroller. Now it’s just a bunch of individual battles. And I hate screwing with having to select a spirit for each fight.

[Joseph Kony]

So better than AC Origins? A lot better than AC Origins?
its better. idk about alot, because i really really enjoyed Origins also, but i would say its easily the better game. like el nono said, its much bigger and theres endless shit to do

[Joseph Kony]

and while i did really enjoy GoW...it wasnt this amazing revolutionary game like people make it seem. definitely had fun playing it but couldnt help but feel it was a little lacking in some areas, especially the ending

[DJR210]

Ancient Egypt > Ancient Greece, IMO

[spurraider21]

i haven't dug that deep into the assassins creed series.

way back when, i had a 30 day gamefly trial back when that was a thing and picked up AC 2. that game was fun as fuck. loved it. once i beat it, i returned it and picked up AC 3. but i felt like it was just a reskin and was pretty fatigued. ended up just sending that game back and haven't picked one up since :lol

but odyssey looks great, and more importantly, massive. How Long to Beat has it about 2-3x bigger than AC 2. this is something i'll probably look into next year around black friday

[spurraider21]

in the meantime, i'm still crawling my way through RDR2. still doing more side content than anything, stranger missions, and just about done with pelt collecting (all i need is a perfect cougar pelt) and i can get the last satchel. i'm still very early in chapter 3. but i think i'm about to start hitting the story pretty hard, probably just hit the main missions consecutively until reaching chapter 4. i want to get into the meat of the game, as far as the conflict goes. as of now, there's very little in that department.

this game is yuuuge. but at this point i'm not seeing it as GOAT unless you're talking purely presentation and "immersion" which is an incredibly overused buzzword people are using to describe anything in the game that's tedious. oh, skinning an animal is boring after watching the 10 second animation for the 40th time? no bro, thats just IMMERSION.

but i think its still a very easy 9/10 and a must-play for just about any gamer. but imo GTA V was more enjoyable. who knows though, as i said, i just started chapter 3, and chapter 1 was basically a prologue with chapter 2 being an extended tutorial, so my perception could change.

[baseline bum]

i haven't dug that deep into the assassins creed series.

way back when, i had a 30 day gamefly trial back when that was a thing and picked up AC 2. that game was fun as fuck. loved it. once i beat it, i returned it and picked up AC 3. but i felt like it was just a reskin and was pretty fatigued. ended up just sending that game back and haven't picked one up since :lol

but odyssey looks great, and more importantly, massive. How Long to Beat has it about 2-3x bigger than AC 2. this is something i'll probably look into next year around black friday

AC III sucks. The sequel to AC II was AC Brotherhood, and that game was amazing. PS4 has a remaster of AC II, AC Brotherhood, and AC Revelations called the Ezio Collection. Not a bad deal for $20.

https://store.playstation.com/en-us/product/UP0001-CUSA05008_00-ACLEGACYHD000000

AC II is amazing
AC Brotherhood is even better
AC Revelations is good; better than AC III, but nowhere near as good as AC II

[spurraider21]

AC III sucks. The sequel to AC II was AC Brotherhood, and that game was amazing.
yeah i've heard from friends. a buddy of mine was the #1 ranked player online for some time on AC Brotherhood (PS3). at the time it annoyed me since that's when i was big into COD and he used to be one of my running mates, so i'd always get pissed he'd be playin brotherhood instead

[redzero]

Who the fuck thought it was a good idea to have eight boss fights with zero saves? Octopath is an incredible waste of time. I wanted to do it fairly, but now I just want to copy YouTube strategys and be done with it. The game does not want the player to learn from trial and error. There is no reason why somebody would invest hours into beating these shit bosses, only to die to Galdera. The bosses aren't hard enough to justify the marathon. This is a complete time sink.

[ElNono]

Finished Mario Odyssey, Princes Peach is an ungrateful whore, tbh

[baseline bum]

God damn Bayonetta is a killer action game. How did I never play this back on my 360? Pretty badass game for anyone with a Switch, Wii U, 360, or gaming PC (the PS3 version is dogshit).

[baseline bum]

Also Donut County is fucking hilarious.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUlJEHSndPk

[spurraider21]

Finished Mario Odyssey, Princes Peach is an ungrateful whore, tbh
did she put out?

[spurraider21]

btw, this series is fuckin hilarious. my wife cracked up at the spiderman one because she can relate so well


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx_IyLT3VSM

[spurraider21]

the channel launched like 2 months ago and got over 100k subs or something ridiculous after just 1 video. i believe first one was red dead 2


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Chb1k9yA2Y

[spurraider21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAX5hTzxn8M

[ElNono]

did she put out?

No, basically snubbed Mario after all the chase.

[baseline bum]

Finished Mario Odyssey, Princes Peach is an ungrateful whore, tbh

Gonna play anything else on Switch or does it go in the closet until Metroid Prime 4?

Gotta say the Bayonetta games are fun and Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze is a pretty badass platformer. Monster Boy is surprisingly good for an old-school 2D platformer. Much better than the vast majority of 2D indie shovelware on the system.

[ElNono]

Gonna play anything else on Switch or does it go in the closet until Metroid Prime 4?

Gotta say the Bayonetta games are fun and Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze is a pretty badass platformer. Monster Boy is surprisingly good for an old-school 2D platformer. Much better than the vast majority of 2D indie shovelware on the system.

Turns out the one I bought can be tricked, tbh, but I’m going in crunch for one project and starting another one, so not sure when I’ll have time to play again. Maybe I’ll check what’s available next time I fly.

[DJR210]

PC Brothers in Superiority..

Do not let Insurgency: Sandstorm fly under the radar.. this is a damn good first person shooter.. They took all the best elements of Battlefield's hard core mode, Counter Strike, and Arma and rolled it up into one hell of a nice package for less than 30 bucks..

The sound quality is amazing.. Being pinned down as the cracks of gunfire go off all around you.. you hear the agonizing moans of your squad dying while you try and pinpoint the enemy (no minimap of any sort in this one).. you're attempting to peek out of a window to get a location on your enemy only to see a large caliber tracer round blow your buddies head into pasta right in front of you is great.. Highly recommend this game :tu

[SpursforSix]

Gonna play anything else on Switch or does it go in the closet until Metroid Prime 4?

Gotta say the Bayonetta games are fun and Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze is a pretty badass platformer. Monster Boy is surprisingly good for an old-school 2D platformer. Much better than the vast majority of 2D indie shovelware on the system.

Man I got burned on two very highly rated games, Celeste and Hollow Knight. Haven’t enjoyed either enough to stick them out to see if they get better.

[baseline bum]

Man I got burned on two very highly rated games, Celeste and Hollow Knight. Haven’t enjoyed either enough to stick them out to see if they get better.

Celeste looks like shit. I hate the 2D pixel art fad right now. It looks so stupid having these blocky Atari 2600 era sprites with Sega Saturn era lighting effects and background complexity in that game. I love the 8-bit NES era but Celeste looks so forced.

[baseline bum]

Damn the game Catherine just got rated by the ESRB for the PC. Alone that wouldn't be a huge story (although Catherine is a really cool puzzle game / dating sim) but it's a fucking Atlus game and Atlus never ports their shit to PC. Now that Sega owns them maybe we will start to see their games on PC. That would be huge if it happens. If Atlus games start coming to PC at launch I might end up skipping the PS5 next gen, at least until the tail end when they're really cheap.

[redzero]

I picked up Spider-Man again, and I keep dying partially because I press R2 to dodge. I wondered why I kept pressing R2 to dodge, and then I realized it was because of Bayonetta's dodge is mapped to Zr on the Wii U.

Between that and getting my XBOX controls mixed up with Switch controls, I feel like a fucking old man trying to play video games. I've played hundreds of hours of the Switch/Wii U combined in the past several years, and zero hours of any XBOX, but my stupid brain keeps going back to my Call of Duty and Halo days.

I swear I used to be better at this when I was younger.

[baseline bum]

I picked up Spider-Man again, and I keep dying partially because I press R2 to dodge. I wondered why I kept pressing R2 to dodge, and then I realized it was because of Bayonetta's dodge is mapped to Zr on the Wii U.

Between that and getting my XBOX controls mixed up with Switch controls, I feel like a fucking old man trying to play video games. I've played hundreds of hours of the Switch/Wii U combined in the past several years, and zero hours of any XBOX, but my stupid brain keeps going back to my Call of Duty and Halo days.

I swear I used to be better at this when I was younger.

:lmao

I know what you mean. For years I had used the A button for choose and B button for back out on XBox 360 and PC and then the X and circle buttons on PS4 (same position, same function). And then I got my SNES Classic and all of a sudden B is back out, A is choose, and BA are in the AB positions I was used to from XBox controllers (equivalently the X,circle positions on Playstation). It took me forever to get used to Nintendo control schemes again.

[redzero]

:lmao

I know what you mean. For years I had used the A button for choose and B button for back out on XBox 360 and PC and then the X and circle buttons on PS4 (same position, same function). And then I got my SNES Classic and all of a sudden B is back out, A is choose, and BA are in the AB positions I was used to from XBox controllers (equivalently the X,circle positions on Playstation). It took me forever to get used to Nintendo control schemes again.

Dude, I had to google the Wii U/Switch controller layouts just to make my last post. For games with limited controls, like Mario Odyssey, it's not that bad. Octopath Traveler isn't bad, because it's a turn-based RPG. BoTW is still annoying as fuck to play, to the point that I had to switch to the pro controller.

Also, thank God that the GameCube controller adapter works on the Switch, because playing Smash on anything other than a GameCube controller, sucks ass (and the GameCube controller sucks ass, too, if I am being honest).

I will cross my fingers and hope the XBOX games I want port to PC, because I am not dealing with this shit again.

[baseline bum]

Dude, I had to google the Wii U/Switch controller layouts just to make my last post. For games with limited controls, like Mario Odyssey, it's not that bad. Octopath Traveler isn't bad, because it's a turn-based RPG. BoTW is still annoying as fuck to play, to the point that I had to switch to the pro controller.

Also, thank God that the GameCube controller adapter works on the Switch, because playing Smash on anything other than a GameCube controller, sucks ass (and the GameCube controller sucks ass, too, if I am being honest).

I will cross my fingers and hope the XBOX games I want port to PC, because I am not dealing with this shit again.

Damn I didn't realize those modern Gamecube controllers Nintendo just put out will work on real Gamecubes. I think I may get one to use with my BC Wii. The dude on the Spawn Wave youtube channel did a tear down of the new Smash Gamecube controller and an original Gamecube controller and they looked fucking identical.

[diego]

I thought Celeste was pretty good, it's like a slightly easier super meatboy. The story is a little emo but as a platformer it's quite good. Same guys that made towerfall which is a really really good local multiplayer action game.

Hollowknight I abandoned quickly, crappy controls and art.

Been playing shadow of the tomb raider, I'm impressed. The animation, especially facial expressions, are easily some of the best I've ever seen in a game, same with the jungle environments. Still find it pretty ridiculous that she kills about 5000 people every game and why mention the story but in terms of gameplay and presentation this easily the best in the series IMO

[Joseph Kony]

PC Brothers in Superiority..

Do not let Insurgency: Sandstorm fly under the radar.. this is a damn good first person shooter.. They took all the best elements of Battlefield's hard core mode, Counter Strike, and Arma and rolled it up into one hell of a nice package for less than 30 bucks..

The sound quality is amazing.. Being pinned down as the cracks of gunfire go off all around you.. you hear the agonizing moans of your squad dying while you try and pinpoint the enemy (no minimap of any sort in this one).. you're attempting to peek out of a window to get a location on your enemy only to see a large caliber tracer round blow your buddies head into pasta right in front of you is great.. Highly recommend this game :tu
Nice, i bought it awhile ago on sale because i have been wanting to play a more realistic FPS game, but havent really played it much yet. off for the next week so will definitely check it out now :tu

[spurraider21]

I picked up Spider-Man again, and I keep dying partially because I press R2 to dodge. I wondered why I kept pressing R2 to dodge, and then I realized it was because of Bayonetta's dodge is mapped to Zr on the Wii U.

Between that and getting my XBOX controls mixed up with Switch controls, I feel like a fucking old man trying to play video games. I've played hundreds of hours of the Switch/Wii U combined in the past several years, and zero hours of any XBOX, but my stupid brain keeps going back to my Call of Duty and Halo days.

I swear I used to be better at this when I was younger.
after playing a ton of call of duty on the ps3, i got very used to using L1 and R1 to aim and shoot. it would always fuck me over when i went to a friends house to play xbox (not to mention the joysticks being in different positions really fuck with muscle memory, so i always sucked ass on xbox). i'm still not fully comfortable using L2 and R2 to shoot, which have been the norm on ps4. especially playing The Last of Us, which required you to be hyper accurate with your weapons since supply was so limited. it's not as big a deal in RDR2, since rockstar games generally have very easy combat.

similarly, i played arkham asylum before starting up RDR2 and the combat was frustrating because while it did feel decently similar to Spider Man (similar free flow combat, square to attack), you needed to hit triangle instead of circle to evade/counter. not to mention hard difficulty in that game removed the attack warnings, and in spider man, the spider sense is very generous, even when its shortened on ultimate difficulty

[redzero]

similarly, i played arkham asylum before starting up RDR2 and the combat was frustrating because while it did feel decently similar to Spider Man (similar free flow combat, square to attack), you needed to hit triangle instead of circle to evade/counter. not to mention hard difficulty in that game removed the attack warnings, and in spider man, the spider sense is very generous, even when its shortened on ultimate difficulty

I feel like the exact opposite, because I played the Arkham games first. Maybe it's because I suck, but I consider the Arkham games a lot more free-flowing when it comes to combat. Once Batman gets a combo going, the player can just fly across the screen and attack enemies, over and over again. Spider-Man and Batman enemies are similar in some way (the regular mook, the guy with the melee weapon, the gun guy, the big guy, the guy with the shield, etc.), but the combat in Arkham seems more on-rails to me. The player has to actually plan their fighting out in advance with Spider-Man.

[spurraider21]

I feel like the exact opposite, because I played the Arkham games first. Maybe it's because I suck, but I consider the Arkham games a lot more free-flowing when it comes to combat. Once Batman gets a combo going, the player can just fly across the screen and attack enemies, over and over again. Spider-Man and Batman enemies are similar in some way (the regular mook, the guy with the melee weapon, the gun guy, the big guy, the guy with the shield, etc.), but the combat in Arkham seems more on-rails to me. The player has to actually plan their fighting out in advance with Spider-Man.
i had played arkham asylum a few years ago originally, but had never played the sequels (i currently own arkham city and do plan to play that at some point).

the way batman lunges around in combat during a combo always felt so ludicrous tbh :lol... he has more range than spider man (unless you specifically use the web attack with triangle). spiderman was the first game i played on ps4. played it on normal the first time, then played again on the newly unlocked ultimate (mostly just main story, and the fun side quests like tombstone storyline). the only thing that really felt different was that the spidey sense window was shorter. it took very little to get used to and the combat still mostly seemed forgiving. web attack, do a combo with square, web attack, combo, repeat. once in a while do an air launch. imo it just boils down the dodge being incredibly forgiving. and you can go several seconds without resetting your combo counter

but on batman (at least arkham asylum, they probably refined it in later games), on the hard difficulty, you get zero warning flash for an incoming attack, you have to look at the enemy character movement to see that they're throwing a punch, etc. and pressing counter a hair early resets your combo and you still eat the punch.

i think spider man was a massively more enjoyable game (and arkham asylum is no slouch) but i just found the combat more forgiving. but back on original topic, the frustration of having to use triangle instead of circle to dodge/counter kept getting me killed

[spurraider21]

rdr2 is such a great game tbh.

- at first it was intimidating because it felt like there were so many different mechanics you had to learn, so many needs you had to maintain, that it felt impossible to be able to keep track of everything going on. so i decided to take it slow on progressing through the main story so i can get acclimated with everything going on. started focusing on side content like hunting so i can craft better gear.

- then it just started feeling really tedious. like, i still enjoyed playing the game, but it felt like i was playing a chore simulator. but there was still a sense of accomplishment. and then hunting and fetching stuff started getting fun as you get the hang of it. though trying to hunt the fucking cougar was terrifying :lol... its like they'll decide to spawn one only within 25 feet of you and with a running start.

- then i thought ok, i've gotten just about everything i've wanted, lets just start doing some main quests and move the story along. but even in the main game, man there is SO much content, that you never feel like you're just blowing through the story too quickly. it's pretty impossible to do that.

the game is just so huge. i can't imagine how much time i'd have to let pass before even considering a second playthrough though... will probably be like 3 years after the PS5 comes out and my library is paper thin and i feel like distracting myself for a month or two

[spurraider21]

:lmao starting at 1:00 and his face at 1:15 :lmao


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30xqpco4GCg

[RD2191]

Witcher 3 any good?

[RD2191]

rdr2 is such a great game tbh.

- at first it was intimidating because it felt like there were so many different mechanics you had to learn, so many needs you had to maintain, that it felt impossible to be able to keep track of everything going on. so i decided to take it slow on progressing through the main story so i can get acclimated with everything going on. started focusing on side content like hunting so i can craft better gear.

- then it just started feeling really tedious. like, i still enjoyed playing the game, but it felt like i was playing a chore simulator. but there was still a sense of accomplishment. and then hunting and fetching stuff started getting fun as you get the hang of it. though trying to hunt the fucking cougar was terrifying :lol... its like they'll decide to spawn one only within 25 feet of you and with a running start.

- then i thought ok, i've gotten just about everything i've wanted, lets just start doing some main quests and move the story along. but even in the main game, man there is SO much content, that you never feel like you're just blowing through the story too quickly. it's pretty impossible to do that.

the game is just so huge. i can't imagine how much time i'd have to let pass before even considering a second playthrough though... will probably be like 3 years after the PS5 comes out and my library is paper thin and i feel like distracting myself for a month or two

Told you it sucked

[spurraider21]

Witcher 3 any good?
have heard nothing but good things about it. both on ST and elsewhere. i'll probably pick it up next year around black friday. but the game is massive


Told you it sucked
:lol

[baseline bum]

Witcher 3 any good?

Outstanding. Make sure to get the Complete Edition because the two DLC it comes with are great also. $20 right now on PSN.

https://store.playstation.com/en-us/product/UP4497-CUSA05725_00-00000000000GOTY5

[baseline bum]

have heard nothing but good things about it. both on ST and elsewhere. i'll probably pick it up next year around black friday. but the game is massive

The Complete Edition of it is $20 right now on PSN. Even if you're dumping it deep in your backlog I'm not sure it'll drop lower than that.

[spurraider21]

my cousin lent me his disks for fallout 4 and the Nathan Drake collection (i've never played an uncharted game... and a buddy of mine said he's got the uncharted 4 disk)

i was also able to get his downloads for a few games: devil may cry 4, battlefront 2, just cause 3, rachet and clank. think there was one of the newer resident evil games. there were a couple of other titles, i dont remember.

but im still only about 46% through RDR2, and still need to play god of war, horizon, arkham city. and i definitely wana replay the last of us but on grounded.

i'm good for several months tbh, its why i keep sayin ima wait till next black friday to buy my next stock of games, probably including bloodborne, witcher 3, arkham knight

[spurraider21]

.

[baseline bum]

my cousin lent me his disks for fallout 4 and the Nathan Drake collection (i've never played an uncharted game... and a buddy of mine said he's got the uncharted 4 disk)

i was also able to get his downloads for a few games: devil may cry 4, battlefront 2, just cause 3, rachet and clank. think there was one of the newer resident evil games. there were a couple of other titles, i dont remember.

but im still only about 46% through RDR2, and still need to play god of war, horizon, arkham city. and i definitely wana replay the last of us but on grounded.

i'm good for several months tbh, its why i keep sayin ima wait till next black friday to buy my next stock of games, probably including bloodborne, witcher 3, arkham knight

Ratchet & Clank is great. I only got it because it was on sale cheap ($10 at Gamestop) and apalisoc_9 kept hyping it over and over again here, but he was right. It's one of the best exclusives on the system. Battlefront II is online only I think, so you're out of luck there without PS Plus. Never played Just Cause 3 or DMC 4 though they both look good. You gotta add NieR Automata to your Black Friday 2019 shopping list though. Lots of fast paced action and a fucking crazy (but in a good way) story.

[spurraider21]

Ratchet & Clank is great. I only got it because it was on sale cheap ($10 at Gamestop) and apalisoc_9 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=11260) kept hyping it over and over again here, but he was right. It's one of the best exclusives on the system. Battlefront II is online only I think, so you're out of luck there without PS Plus. Never played Just Cause 3 or DMC 4 though they both look good. You gotta add NieR Automata to your Black Friday 2019 shopping list though. Lots of fast paced action and a fucking crazy (but in a good way) story.
battlefront 2 has a campaign, but its like 8 hours :lol. my cousin said it was short, sweet, but worth playing. though tbh he's a pretty shitty gamer (literally the guy that plays games on easy). but that fucker was an 80 gig download, so im just gonna run through that in like 3 sittings and delete the game.

i never played the original ratchet and clank, so i expect the game will be a treat. yeah you've hyped up nier quite a bit too. i'm also wondering when TLOU2 is coming out. hopefully i still have enough of a backlog at that point so i'm not tempted to pay msrp for it

[baseline bum]

battlefront 2 has a campaign, but its like 8 hours :lol. my cousin said it was short, sweet, but worth playing. though tbh he's a pretty shitty gamer (literally the guy that plays games on easy). but that fucker was an 80 gig download, so im just gonna run through that in like 3 sittings and delete the game.

i never played the original ratchet and clank, so i expect the game will be a treat. yeah you've hyped up nier quite a bit too. i'm also wondering when TLOU2 is coming out. hopefully i still have enough of a backlog at that point so i'm not tempted to pay msrp for it

LOL I know I will have a backlog when TLOU II launches and I'll probably buy it full price anyways. I'll probably buy Dying Light 2 full price too just because I really like the developer and think their work is worth full price (though that one I'm getting on PC, I much prefer mouse & keyboard for first person games).

[apalisoc_9]

Imo ps4 ratchet is up there with mario odyssey...

Spiderman basically used ratchet and clank weapons system etc.

[baseline bum]

Imo ps4 ratchet is up there with mario odyssey...


Great game, but no. That's like saying Anthony Davis is right up there with Tim Duncan.

[baseline bum]

Damn I hope Cyberpunk 2077 comes out this year. If it does I'm starting to get tempted to grab an RTX 2060 6GB FE, assuming that gpu can blast through the game the same way my 970 did on The Witcher 3. It's supposed to be about 90% more powerful than the 970 at 1440p so I guess not prohibitively bad at $350.

[apalisoc_9]

Damn I hope Cyberpunk 2077 comes out this year. If it does I'm starting to get tempted to grab an RTX 2060 6GB FE, assuming that gpu can blast through the game the same way my 970 did on The Witcher 3. It's supposed to be about 90% more powerful than the 970 at 1440p so I guess not prohibitively bad at $350.

How have you not played GOAT of war?

[baseline bum]

How have you not played GOAT of war?

I haven't played RDR2 either. I'll play them both at some point this year.

[spurraider21]

How have you not played GOAT of war?
he's too busy dumping 180 hours into various jrpgs

[baseline bum]

he's too busy dumping 180 hours into various jrpgs

Incorrect. I have about 350 hours into Persona 5 and another 300 in Persona 4 Golden tbh. Still haven't gotten the damn platinum in P4G. :lol

[spurraider21]

Incorrect. I have about 350 hours into Persona 5 and another 300 in Persona 4 Golden tbh. Still haven't gotten the damn platinum in P4G. :lol
that's incredibly inefficient when you have the backlog you're describing

[baseline bum]

that's incredibly inefficient when you have the backlog you're describing

The most inefficient thing was buying RDR2 at full price and then playing it for two days before deciding I wanted a Switch. :lol

[baseline bum]

fucking double post

[spurraider21]

The most inefficient thing was buying RDR2 at full price and then playing it for two days before deciding I wanted a Switch. :lol
:lol that's pretty bad tbh

i cant blame you for dumping absurd hours into games... i'd say from 2008-2013 i spent at least 3/4 of my gaming hours on call of duty titles. but i'd still find time for the major AAA titles.

i just dont get how you can be playin somethin besides such acclaimed games like rdr2 or god of war. its not like ur in my position getting caught up on the 4-5 years of gaming that i missed out on.

[baseline bum]

:lol that's pretty bad tbh

i cant blame you for dumping absurd hours into games... i'd say from 2008-2013 i spent at least 3/4 of my gaming hours on call of duty titles. but i'd still find time for the major AAA titles.

i just dont get how you can be playin somethin besides such acclaimed games like rdr2 or god of war. its not like ur in my position getting caught up on the 4-5 years of gaming that i missed out on.

I just did another playthrough of Persona 5 and am not in the mood for something as long as RDR2 yet. As for God of War, I still want to play GOW2 and GOW 3 first. The new GOW looks so good I think I might have trouble going back to the older ones. LOL I actually have every God of War game ever made but no way I can put GOW PS4 on hold until playing Ascension on PS3 or the two PSP games in addition to the two mainline games I haven't played. :lol

I'll probably play God of War 2 next on my PS3. Currently playing Bayonetta on the Switch, which has great action but some of the most cringe-worthy cutscenes.

[baseline bum]

:lol that's pretty bad tbh


Funny thing is I really fucking liked RDR2 also. But I had been badly wanting to play Super Mario Odyssey since I first saw it announced in early 2017 and decided I had to jump on a Switch once I saw they were hackable but that the patched Switches (so you couldn't run CFW) were starting to dominate store shelves. Like they said on South Park, gonna be a pain in the ass to go back to the snow on a new playthrough but I can never put a game down and pick up where I left off again.

[spurraider21]

I just did another playthrough of Persona 5 and am not in the mood for something as long as RDR2 yet. As for God of War, I still want to play GOW2 and GOW 3 first. The new GOW looks so good I think I might have trouble going back to the older ones. LOL I actually have every God of War game ever made but no way I can put GOW PS4 on hold until playing Ascension on PS3 or the two PSP games in addition to the two mainline games I haven't played. :lol

I'll probably play God of War 2 next on my PS3. Currently playing Bayonetta on the Switch, which has great action but some of the most cringe-worthy cutscenes.
god of war 2 and 3 are both very fun, so i cant blame you for going through those. i remember back during my ps3 days, i needed a new controller cause my joysticks were starting to get fucked up (thanks COD!), and i found this nice deal on amazon (thanks bezos!) where i got a new dualshock 3, god of war themed... aka red, and came with GoW 1, and 2 for the ps3. all for $60. i had already played 1 and 2 on the ps2, but i ended up replaying those before i ever got and played 3

i never played ascension and didnt own a psp.

[spurraider21]

Funny thing is I really fucking liked RDR2 also. But I had been badly wanting to play Super Mario Odyssey since I first saw it announced in early 2017 and decided I had to jump on a Switch once I saw they were hackable but that the patched Switches (so you couldn't run CFW) were starting to dominate store shelves. Like they said on South Park, gonna be a pain in the ass to go back to the snow on a new playthrough but I can never put a game down and pick up where I left off again.
agreed. usually once i begin i game, i dont play anything else till i'm done.

when im done with my ps4 binge, i'll eventually hook my ps3 back up and finish new vegas. i only got through about 20% of the game to my estimation. hadn't even reached vegas yet... but the beginning stages of fallout games tend to be a drag. so i'll probably violate det principle and just pick up where i left off on that one. i wasn't that invested in the story yet, so i dont think its gonna mean a lot.

[baseline bum]

god of war 2 and 3 are both very fun, so i cant blame you for going through those. i remember back during my ps3 days, i needed a new controller cause my joysticks were starting to get fucked up (thanks COD!), and i found this nice deal on amazon (thanks bezos!) where i got a new dualshock 3, god of war themed... aka red, and came with GoW 1, 2, and 3 for the ps3. all for $60. i had already played 1 and 2 on the ps2, but i ended up replaying those and then playing 3.

i never played ascension and didnt own a psp.

Shit, I meant the PS3 remasters of the PSP God of War games. I actually did buy a PSP back in 2006 but I found it so underwhelming (GTA sucks on a small screen) I just gave it away to my brother about two months after buying it. I was so bored with the thing I jailbroke it and put an NES emulator on it and just played that shit. :lol

[spurraider21]

Shit, I meant the PS3 remasters of the PSP God of War games. I actually did buy a PSP back in 2006 but I found it so underwhelming (GTA sucks on a small screen) I just gave it away to my brother about two months after buying it. I was so bored with the thing I jailbroke it and put an NES emulator on it and just played that shit. :lol
:lol the psp always just looked like a gimmick to me, and that shit was retailing for $250 when it came out. that's an absurd price for a handheld shit like that. the nintendo ds was $100 cheaper at launch. if i was ever gonna buy either, it would have been the DS

thinkin about it more, i dont see the need to play the older god of war entries first, as this new one is not really a sequel per se, its more of a reboot by abandoning the greek storyline, plus the combat design looks to have been completely overhauled... but god of war 2/3 are very fun in their own right. taking down boss after boss in god of war 3 was incredibly satisfying

[spurraider21]

talking about it, i really miss COD world at war...

i think that was my favorite COD experience even though it was before i got that good at those games. bolt action rifles without a scope were so fucking fun to use. and it was fun to have a COD game where guns actually had recoil and they all felt completely different.

i felt like i was the only person who would use the type 99... that gun had a retarded look but it was usually one of my better weapons

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ucBMjclQVqU/maxresdefault.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/gS1VIfUsZdw/hqdefault.jpg

[baseline bum]

:lol the psp always just looked like a gimmick to me, and that shit was retailing for $250 when it came out. that's an absurd price for a handheld shit like that. the nintendo ds was $100 cheaper at launch.

Switch at $300 is pretty absurd for what hardware is in it IMO. Though really it's more like $405 when you factor in $70 for a Pro Controller, $25 for a 128GB microSD card (shit only comes with 25 GB of free storage), and $10 for a screen protector since the dock will put scuff marks on an unprotected screen. So I don't feel bad about jailbreaking it like I would a PS4 where Sony takes a hit on every console sold.


if i was ever gonna buy either, it would have been the DS

Yeah I figured that out only after blowing $250 on the PSP. :lol

The DS is an amazing handheld. Though the GOAT handheld is the New 3DS XL since the 3D effect works really well on the New version, since it's easy to jailbreak, and since a modded New 3DS is great to play NES, SNES, GBA, and Genesis games. Plus all 3DS support DS games out the box too.

[DJR210]

Ratchet & Clank is great

:lol

[TDMVPDPOY]

ces2019 ... lol amd video cards hasnt done shit to improve it besides increase to 16gb hbm2

[baseline bum]

Damn the rumor wasn't bullshit. Catherine just came out on Steam this morning. Damn that would be incredible if Atlus starts releasing their games on PC from now on.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntWAxwfBkcs

Also no Denuvo

A good review of it:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLEBzLf6RY8

[spurraider21]

last chapter 3 mission in rdr2 was HYPE

[apalisoc_9]

Going to start yakuza later. Should be fun. It better be fun

[baseline bum]

Going to start yakuza later. Should be fun. It better be fun

http://www.thejimquisition.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/06-2.jpg

[Xevious]

last chapter 3 mission in rdr2 was HYPE
One of my favorites. You know shit is about to go down when the entire gang rides out of camp. The entire setup, to the music, etc is just awesome. And Dutch is never as likeable as he is during this mission. He's a badass.

[apalisoc_9]

http://www.thejimquisition.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/06-2.jpg

Its been good so far. Just reached Goros part. Hopefully his character is jusy as good.

There some limitation in gameplay and i dont like how some stores are inaccisble. But so far so good.

Accidently read spoilers trying to google what yakuza to play after 0. Smdh. Your bro being a an antagonist in future games. Smdh. Wish I didnt have to read that.

[apalisoc_9]

Its been good so far. Just reached Goros part. Hopefully his character is jusy as good.

There some limitation in gameplay and i dont like how some stores are inaccisble. But so far so good.

Accidently read spoilers trying to google what yakuza to play after 0. Smdh. Your bro being a an antagonist in future games. Smdh. Wish I didnt have to read that.

Holy shit man the story in this game is AAA+. Better than Uncharted, spiderman. It starts slow but after each chapter for each character it starts to show.

I havent even done any fooling around. The story is just too good. Hoping all the yakuza games are these good.

[DJR210]

:lol forgot to log into his alt ^

[SpursforSix]

:lol

[spurraider21]

i dont get it. why would that be something an alt says? the lack of broken english?

[baseline bum]

Holy shit man the story in this game is AAA+. Better than Uncharted, spiderman. It starts slow but after each chapter for each character it starts to show.

I havent even done any fooling around. The story is just too good. Hoping all the yakuza games are these good.

Of the three I have played I'd rank them

Yakuza 0 > Yakuza Kiwami 2 > Yakuza Kiwami 1,

though they're all awesome and if you like 0 you should like the other two also.

Note Kiwami 1 is a remake of Yakuza and Kiwami 2 a remake of Kiwami 2. I'd expect a remaster of Yakuza 3 on PS4 some time this year since it got released in Japan last year. The Yakuza 4 PS4 remaster launches Saturday in Japan, so I'd expect late this year or early next year for it on PS4 in the west. Then a Yakuza 5 PS4 remaster has also been announced so I bet we see it late this year for Japan and late next year for the West. Finally Yakuza 6 is out on PS4.

[baseline bum]

i dont get it. why would that be something an alt says? the lack of broken english?

Nigga quoted himself

[spurraider21]

Nigga quoted himself
cause he's picking up on his thought after playing the game another day or 2

i've done that too

[ElNono]

cause he's picking up on his thought after playing the game another day or 2

i've done that too

You're also a faggot, tbh

[spurraider21]

You're also a faggot, tbh
as long as soros keeps paying me, tbh

[baseline bum]

cause he's picking up on his thought after playing the game another day or 2

i've done that too

I do that shit too but that's the rationale I guess

[baseline bum]

as long as soros keeps paying me, tbh

Link him your arguments with derp and koriwhat, he'll probably throw a few more shekels your way.

[spurraider21]

Link him your arguments with derp and koriwhat, he'll probably throw a few more shekels your way.
i have direct deposit set up, goes straight to my student (indoctrination) loans tbh

they have an algorithm that takes into account the thread traffic, character count of my posts, etc.

[apalisoc_9]

i have direct deposit set up, goes straight to my student (indoctrination) loans tbh

they have an algorithm that takes into account the thread traffic, character count of my posts, etc.

Honestly if i got offered a decent pay as an internet propagandist, I wouldnt say no. I was reading a report somehwere that the west and israel do have a budget for shit like this. Something they obviously accuse russia of doing.

Imagine getting paid 80k a year for trolling spurstalk. Shit must be nice.

[Joseph Kony]

Honestly if i got offered a decent pay as an internet propagandist, I wouldnt say no. I was reading a report somehwere that the west and israel do have a budget for shit like this. Something they obviously accuse russia of doing.

Imagine getting paid 80k a year for trolling spurstalk. Shit must be nice.

havent you heard? that faggot Cosmored outed us as paid "disinformation agents" awhile back :lol

[ElNono]

just started Yakuza Kiwami

[baseline bum]

just started Yakuza Kiwami

Dude if you haven't played Yakuza 0 just stop Kiwami and play 0 first. Especially since it's only a $20 game on PS4 (or free from CPY on PC). These games build so heavily off each other and 0 is worth playing just for the Goro Majima story, although the backstory of Kiryu and Nishki is really cool too.

[baseline bum]

Man I got this giant backlog and yet I have been doing a third playthrough of Persona 4 Golden on my Vita TV for a few days now. :lol

[spurraider21]

God of War's combat is that good? I haven't played it.


https://media.giphy.com/media/13ATyLQB0rLVzG/giphy.gif


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbb9MPYT23Y


How have you not played GOAT of war?


he's too busy dumping 180 hours into various jrpgs


Incorrect. I have about 350 hours into Persona 5 and another 300 in Persona 4 Golden tbh. Still haven't gotten the damn platinum in P4G.

Man I got this giant backlog and yet I have been doing a third playthrough of Persona 4 Golden on my Vita TV for a few days now. :lol
https://media.giphy.com/media/qmfpjpAT2fJRK/giphy.gif

[apalisoc_9]

Dude if you haven't played Yakuza 0 just stop Kiwami and play 0 first. Especially since it's only a $20 game on PS4 (or free from CPY on PC). These games build so heavily off each other and 0 is worth playing just for the Goro Majima story, although the backstory of Kiryu and Nishki is really cool too.

Although Kiryo story line is better and the pacing is better. I felt like Goros chapter 3-4 was by far the strongest chapter. Shit was intense. Now just wondering if goro will ever be in any future games.

[apalisoc_9]

havent you heard? that faggot Cosmored outed us as paid "disinformation agents" awhile back :lol

I actually think cosomred is a paid poster. No lie. I rarely ser him enage in any conversation. All he does is post links and news. Wouldn't surprise me if he does this on multiple platforms.

My guess, he gets paid 100k a year for spewing those materials.

[baseline bum]

Now just wondering if goro will ever be in any future games.

Do you want to know?

[baseline bum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbb9MPYT23Y







https://media.giphy.com/media/qmfpjpAT2fJRK/giphy.gif

Probably won't play anything else in the series until Persona 5 R launches, so that's at least until March tbh.

[apalisoc_9]

Do you want to know?

No.

Gonna play all the yakuza games. Should be enough to get me through the winter.

Wish more japanese games were japanese like these. I feel like many japanse developers tie thesmelves in the idea that they need to appeal to western ideas always to develop a game that sells well in the west...

I hope shenmue gets a remake. Apperently that was the original yakuza.

[spurraider21]

Probably won't play anything else in the series until Persona 5 R launches, so that's at least until March tbh.
you said yourself you think 2019 is gonna be slow and you'll have a chance to get through your backlog.

just get into your backlog first and then spend the balance of your 2019 replaying the same shit you've already played for 300 hours with marginally better resolution

[spurraider21]

Man I got burned on two very highly rated games, Celeste and Hollow Knight. Haven’t enjoyed either enough to stick them out to see if they get better.


Celeste looks like shit. I hate the 2D pixel art fad right now. It looks so stupid having these blocky Atari 2600 era sprites with Sega Saturn era lighting effects and background complexity in that game. I love the 8-bit NES era but Celeste looks so forced.


I thought Celeste was pretty good, it's like a slightly easier super meatboy. The story is a little emo but as a platformer it's quite good. Same guys that made towerfall which is a really really good local multiplayer action game.

Hollowknight I abandoned quickly, crappy controls and art.

Been playing shadow of the tomb raider, I'm impressed. The animation, especially facial expressions, are easily some of the best I've ever seen in a game, same with the jungle environments. Still find it pretty ridiculous that she kills about 5000 people every game and why mention the story but in terms of gameplay and presentation this easily the best in the series IMO
yeah... can someone explain to me why a platformer that looks like it can be played on my TI-89 calculator has gotten to much acclaim?

i mean i get dinosaurs like midnightpulp refuse to play anything modern, but its absurd tbh

[baseline bum]

you said yourself you think 2019 is gonna be slow and you'll have a chance to get through your backlog.

just get into your backlog first and then spend the balance of your 2019 replaying the same shit you've already played for 300 hours with marginally better resolution

Persona 5 R won't be Persona 5 with better graphics. It will probably be an extension to the game like Persona 4 Golden was or perhaps another separate story line like Persona 3 FES was. If it's a second storyline that sucks like P3FES had I probably won't buy it though.

[SpursforSix]

yeah... can someone explain to me why a platformer that looks like it can be played on my TI-89 calculator has gotten to much acclaim?

i mean i get dinosaurs like midnightpulp refuse to play anything modern, but its absurd tbh

I don’t know. I don’t mind lower grade graphics if the gameplay is outstanding. Which based on reviews, the games I mentioned were supposed to have. But I hated both those games.

Not the same genre but I loved both the Hotline Miami games that were 8B but it didn’t take anything away from the game. Although I played those on the Vita.

In the future, I’m going to be pretty skeptical about the reviews on these indie games.

[spurraider21]

Persona 5 R won't be Persona 5 with better graphics. It will probably be an extension to the game like Persona 4 Golden was or perhaps another separate story line like Persona 3 FES was. If it's a second storyline that sucks like P3FES had I probably won't buy it though.
ah, i assumed it was remastered

[Joseph Kony]

bb is just like one of my friends :lol has a giant back log of PS4 games he needs to play because he finally got one like a year and a half ago and instead of playing LoU or Uncharted 4 or RDR2 etc he just keeps replaying Witcher 3 or Shadow of War again with different builds or on harder settings :lol

[Joseph Kony]

forgot to mention, playing through FFXV on PC since i never played any of the DLC and square redid one of the chapters or something since i first played it at launch. the OST of this game is Nobuo uematsu level good but is still pretty damn epic

[baseline bum]

bb is just like one of my friends :lol has a giant back log of PS4 games he needs to play because he finally got one like a year and a half ago and instead of playing LoU or Uncharted 4 or RDR2 etc he just keeps replaying Witcher 3 or Shadow of War again with different builds or on harder settings :lol

LOL. And if Persona 5 R launches in March I'll be playing that shit Day 1. :lol

Unless it's a lousy secondary story addon like Persona 3 FES was to Persona 3. Though I'm guessing it'll be a fall release (in Japan, probably spring or summer 2020 in the US) and the Atlus 3/2019 teaser was just an announcement of an announcement.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ6Qs32Cyvs

[baseline bum]

yeah... can someone explain to me why a platformer that looks like it can be played on my TI-89 calculator has gotten to much acclaim?

i mean i get dinosaurs like midnightpulp refuse to play anything modern, but its absurd tbh

I don't think pixel art in itself is bad in games while playing in 2019. It's great in the stuff midnightpulp talks about because it's what all the most talented developers were making at the time. Now pixel art games are mostly indie crap while the real talent in the industry is making Red Dead, Dark Souls, GTA, Elder Scrolls, Kingdom Hearts, God of War, and so on.

[apalisoc_9]

Just finished yakuza 0. Man, what has SEGA been doing? The lack of confidence in advertising this game in the west is embarrasing. Just because Its not tailored for western audience with western hereos doesnt mean its gon a do shit.

Yakuza 0 is an easy 8.5/10 and it would be a 10/10 if not for the suspect comabt. The substories and mini games in this game was fucking amazing. The Story even fucking better.

This was a great change of pace for me. I played Persona 5 before playing this game, and while that games mechanics is almost second to none in JRPG and the presentation is GOAT. The story just pales in comparison.

It feels like yakuza 0 was written by an actual writer with little to no limitations and Persona 5 needed Padding, western touches etc etc.

[apalisoc_9]

LOL. And if Persona 5 R launches in March I'll be playing that shit Day 1. :lol

Unless it's a lousy secondary story addon like Persona 3 FES was to Persona 3. Though I'm guessing it'll be a fall release (in Japan, probably spring or summer 2020 in the US) and the Atlus 3/2019 teaser was just an announcement of an announcement.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ6Qs32Cyvs

Man, you're just a fanboy at this point. How do you even surive persona 5 for 300 hours? I got semi addicted to forming personas but i logged in a total 110ish and I was tired by the end of it. spurraider21 will hate that game. Story was good, but it had way too many cringey moments and the dialogue was an absouloute disaster. Great story concept though.

[apalisoc_9]

Still, I havent played these so many games in like a span of 6 months and I still have the rest of yakuza series and Red Dead to go.

So far if i have to rank my most recently played games..id go.

God of War 10/10
Yakuza 0 8.5/10
Persona 5 9/10
Spiderman 8.0/10

Persona 5 gets a better score because the only flaw in that game is the redundant writing, but yakuza 0 is very close to GOAT of war in terms of total enjoyment

[apalisoc_9]

Ill say this, GOAT of war is my favourite game this Gen but Yakuza 0 beats it in Story intensity, writing and Plot. Chapter 1-4 is great, but chapters 5 and onwards is what gives yakuza 0 the GOAT story.

Seriously, Yakuza 0 gotta be my kawhi of Video games. Gonna stan this series from no on. Hopefully kiwami and the rest dont dissapoint.

[baseline bum]

Man, you're just a fanboy at this point. How do you even surive persona 5 for 300 hours? I got semi addicted to forming personas but i logged in a total 110ish and I was tired by the end of it. spurraider21 will hate that game. Story was good, but it had way too many cringey moments and the dialogue was an absouloute disaster. Great story concept though.

I have done three playthroughs in about a year and a half. I love the combat and art style and the soundtrack is unbelievable. I do hate the extended story section in that long and boring class trip to Hawaii, which is what keeps the game from being a 10/10 for me. The story itself isn't that great in Persona 5 except for Futaba's palace. The game in the series that has the best story and character development is Persona 4 Golden. Though I'm also a big fan of the Shin Megami Tensei games (eg series Persona spun off from) that are straight dungeon crawlers and have minimal story (especially Nocturne on the PS2).

[DJR210]

i dont get it. why would that be something an alt says? the lack of broken english?

Because he's talking to himself..

[spurraider21]

Because he's talking to himself..


cause he's picking up on his thought after playing the game another day or 2

i've done that too

[Joseph Kony]

y'all are making me wanna try yakuza or persona. i have a soft spot for jrpgs

[baseline bum]

y'all are making me wanna try yakuza or persona. i have a soft spot for jrpgs

Yakuza has some RPG elements since it has character and stat building but to me it's more a modern day Streets of Rage with weird Japanese humor thrown in. Most of the game you're just beating the shit out of people but then it has funny side shit like slot car racing against a bunch of kids or a rock/paper/scissors wrestling arcade game with women dressed as slutty insects. The games have some really fucking hilarious missions that I won't spoil here.

[baseline bum]

Here's an example of the kind of stupid funny shit in Yakuza games


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcorRHVtVnQ

[baseline bum]

Actually more like Streets of Rage plus a killer story and weird Japanese humor.

[apalisoc_9]

I didnt even play the minigames that kucj and barely touched yakuza substories and it is still one of my alltime favourite games.

Imo, your first playthrough should be short. It should all be about the main story.

The games strongest point is the story and every damn character in that game is memorable as fuck.

Ignore all of the sideshit for the first playthrough. Its obvious it can get a player fatigued cause theres lots of redundancy

[apalisoc_9]

y'all are making me wanna try yakuza or persona. i have a soft spot for jrpgs

Played them both. Persona 5 for about 115hrs. Yakuza 0 for 29 hrs.

Yakuza 0 hands down was a more memorable experience. Persona story/acting etc is straight up trash compared to yakuza.

But to be fair persona 5 presentation and Combat is GOAT level. Not to mention forming personas etc is addicting.

[baseline bum]

I didnt even play the minigames that kucj and barely touched yakuza substories and it is still one of my alltime favourite games.

Imo, your first playthrough should be short. It should all be about the main story.

The games strongest point is the story and every damn character in that game is memorable as fuck.

Ignore all of the sideshit for the first playthrough. Its obvious it can get a player fatigued cause theres lots of redundancy

You're really missing out if you skip the side quests in Yakuza games. They are some of the strongest material in the games and have all the funny parts. The grinding, arena fights, and hostess club minigame could definitely cause player fatigue so could be worth skipping, but the side missions are often bite-sized comedy interludes to break up the serious tone set by the story missions.

[apalisoc_9]

You're really missing out if you skip the side quests in Yakuza games. They are some of the strongest material in the games and have all the funny parts. The grinding, arena fights, and hostess club minigame could definitely cause player fatigue so could be worth skipping, but the side missions are often bite-sized comedy interludes to break up the serious tone set by the story missions.

I did play a bit. Probably less than half though.

My favourite has to be that cult scum :lmao

[apalisoc_9]

You're really missing out if you skip the side quests in Yakuza games. They are some of the strongest material in the games and have all the funny parts. The grinding, arena fights, and hostess club minigame could definitely cause player fatigue so could be worth skipping, but the side missions are often bite-sized comedy interludes to break up the serious tone set by the story missions.

The thing is once I got to chapter 5. I just fell inlove with the story and characters. At that point it was lile binge watching a netflix show.

[baseline bum]

I did play a bit. Probably less than half though.

My favourite has to be that cult scum :lmao

If that's the funniest one you have done then you haven't done enough of them tbh

[apalisoc_9]

Oh man. Now I feel like replaying the game and doing all the substories. Ill probably take a break and replay it again.

[baseline bum]

Oh man. Now I feel like replaying the game and doing all the substories. Ill probably take a break and replay it again.

You don't need to, I think you can do all the substories any time you want after unlocking them (eg some aren't available until you get to a given chapter).

[baseline bum]

AC III is getting a remaster on PS4. Eeeewww

[Chris]

When you get tired of fetch quest games Dead by Daylight still has a large player base and about to get dedicated servers.

[Joseph Kony]

:lol pumping up a 3 year old game

was thinking about it actually since i noticed it was on sale for 10 bucks on steam. perhaps ill check out some gameplay vids

[baseline bum]

Just put RetroArch on my Switch for playing Genesis and PS1 games on the go. So far the two PS1 RPGs I have tried (Final Fantasy VII and Persona 2 - Innocent Sin) seem to run great as does Castlevania Symphony of the Night, but Tony Hawk Pro Skater 1 & 2 both have lots of slowdown even with threaded video enabled. I'd imagine good N64 and PSP emulation is going to be a ways away on the Switch if PS1 isn't flawless yet, though RetroArch on Switch has only been a thing since October.

[diego]

yeah... can someone explain to me why a platformer that looks like it can be played on my TI-89 calculator has gotten to much acclaim?

i mean i get dinosaurs like midnightpulp refuse to play anything modern, but its absurd tbh

I like fancy 3d gfx as much as anyone else but those games require crazy budgets and much like Hollywood you end up with safe rehashes of the same gameplay/stories. 2d games can be fun, I can actually Tetris on a calculator and it's not less fun because the bricks are in grayscale. Celeste is a tight platformer, the controls are solid and the levels well designed- challenging but doable. It's fun, provided you like platformers.

[DJR210]

Will be getting Yakuza 0 as soon as I finish RE7.. no HDD soace

[ElNono]

just started Yakuza Kiwami

Finished it. It was ok, a bit repetitive. Not really into Japanese culture, so it was kinda meh. It's not a bad game, just not my cup of tea.

[apalisoc_9]

Finished it. It was ok, a bit repetitive. Not really into Japanese culture, so it was kinda meh. It's not a bad game, just not my cup of tea.

Kiwami is a ps2 game. Apperently its shit compared to 0.

Its the reason why I cant get myself to play kiwami. Apperently 0 is just way too good. Makes sense because games in ps2 days werent exactly known for top notch writing and plot.

[apalisoc_9]

Finished it. It was ok, a bit repetitive. Not really into Japanese culture, so it was kinda meh. It's not a bad game, just not my cup of tea.

Should have listened to Baselinebum and ditched kiwami. It was never going to be as good as 0 since 0 is a ps4 game with ps4 standards.

[apalisoc_9]

Man no more good games in backlog. I dont want to play kiwami cause everyones telling me its extremely weak in plot and writing and acting compared to 0..which makes sense since its a ps2 game.

I'm a sucker for great plot but just cant seem to think of any games now that I havent played with great story.

I guess I just have to wait for the resident evil remake.

[ElNono]

Kiwami is a ps2 game. Apperently its shit compared to 0.

Its the reason why I cant get myself to play kiwami. Apperently 0 is just way too good. Makes sense because games in ps2 days werent exactly known for top notch writing and plot.

I'll probably play zero at some point. There's really not a whole lot coming out until Days Gone, IIRC...

[apalisoc_9]

Might buy a ps3 for 40 bucks. Made a mistake selling.

Just looking at the list, theres some good games I havent played yet. Havent even played any of the bioshock games.

[DJR210]

Finished it. It was ok, a bit repetitive. Not really into Japanese culture, so it was kinda meh. It's not a bad game, just not my cup of tea.

The Japanese style is exactly what I'm thinking I'll dislike about the game as I hate slant eyed Japs, but baseline bum (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=131) compared it to Streets of Rage so I'll at least try it out

Other than that, I wanna play RE2 Remake and the new Ace Combat.. everything else is backlog

[baseline bum]

The Japanese style is exactly what I'm thinking I'll dislike about the game as I hate slant eyed Japs, but baseline bum (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=131) compared it to Streets of Rage so I'll at least try it out

Other than that, I wanna play RE2 Remake and the new Ace Combat.. everything else is backlog

It plays like a BUMP post, as in you're constantly beating the shit out of everything. Besides, CPY has a money-back guarantee if you're not satisfied with your game.

[baseline bum]

Might buy a ps3 for 40 bucks. Made a mistake selling.

Just looking at the list, theres some good games I havent played yet. Havent even played any of the bioshock games.

If they're not Playstation exclusives you'd be better off with a 360. And most of the good PS3 exclusives are already on PS4. Off the top of my head the only really good PS3 exclusives not on PS4 are Demon's Souls, Ni No Kuni, inFAMOUS 1 & 2, the Ratchet & Clank Future series, and the PS2 remasters like God of War 1 & 2, Sly Cooper, Ratchet & Clank Trilogy, etc.

Also you can play better versions of the Bioshock games on PS4.

[Leetonidas]

I decided to check out dead by daylight since chris keeps going on about it.

Lol the gameplay is kinda pretty shitty but I can see why it's somewhat addictive to play. There's a certain fulfilling aspect to surviving the killer or sacrificing all of them and winning. But it seems more like a game to play with friends to kill time. It's like the same thing as Friday the 13th

[ElNono]

It plays like a BUMP post, as in you're constantly beating the shit out of everything. Besides, CPY has a money-back guarantee if you're not satisfied with your game.

I'm renting Yakuza 0, tbh, check out what's the hype about... like I said, the game wasn't bad, I'm not a fan of the setting, that's all.

[DJR210]

I decided to check out dead by daylight since chris keeps going on about it.

Lol the gameplay is kinda pretty shitty but I can see why it's somewhat addictive to play. There's a certain fulfilling aspect to surviving the killer or sacrificing all of them and winning. But it seems more like a game to play with friends to kill time. It's like the same thing as Friday the 13th

I'm a big fan of the concept of both games.. but just watching a Youtube video of it in action and I don't want it even if they're marked down for 10 bucks.. The animations look stiff and retarded, and in a game like this it's fucking ruined if there is no immersion.

[DJR210]

\Besides, CPY has a money-back guarantee if you're not satisfied with your game.

:tu

[midnightpulp]

yeah... can someone explain to me why a platformer that looks like it can be played on my TI-89 calculator has gotten to much acclaim?

i mean i get dinosaurs like midnightpulp refuse to play anything modern, but its absurd tbh

I don't refuse playing modern games, I said they're dumbed down in general and not as well designed as games in the past. Most feel like interactive movies more than a "game."

[apalisoc_9]

I don't refuse playing modern games, I said they're dumbed down in general and not as well designed as games in the past. Most feel like interactive movies more than a "game."

Dude you have never played a single modern game :lol

[midnightpulp]

Dude you have never played a single modern game :lol

One of the most highly reviewed AAA game last year was Spiderman. What's different about it than the dozens of open world games that came before it (i.e. Infamous, Prototype, the Arkham series, etc, etc)? Isn't the Last of Us like your favorite game ever? Shit stealth mechanics even compared to the first Splinter Cell, limited enemy variation, and a dumbshit 3rd act. What's fundamentally different about Red Dead than Grand Theft Auto 3?

[spurraider21]

One of the most highly reviewed AAA game last year was Spiderman. What's different about it than the dozens of open world games that came before it (i.e. Infamous, Prototype, the Arkham series, etc, etc)? Isn't the Last of Us like your favorite game ever? Shit stealth mechanics even compared to the first Splinter Cell, limited enemy variation, and a dumbshit 3rd act. What's fundamentally different about Red Dead than Grand Theft Auto 3?
How many of those listed titles you played

[Leetonidas]

I'm a big fan of the concept of both games.. but just watching a Youtube video of it in action and I don't want it even if they're marked down for 10 bucks.. The animations look stiff and retarded , and in a game like this it's fucking ruined if there is no immersion.
Pretty much and it definitely fucks up the gameplay...and for how slow and stiff your killer moves, it impedes gameplay. Like how lame is that this murderous killer is thwarted by a crate being pushed over and chases the survivor as slow as fucking possible. It's fun when you kill people but the gameplay mechanics make the game feel like it's from 2012 not 2016

[Leetonidas]

How many of those listed titles you played

The fact he is asking what the difference between GTA3 and RDR2 tells you all you need to know :lol

[spurraider21]

The fact he is asking what the difference between GTA3 and RDR2 tells you all you need to know :lol
they're both 3rd person games where you break the law. that means they're identical!

[apalisoc_9]

they're both 3rd person games where you break the law. that means they're identical!

I wonder what game would change his mind :lol

My bet is on GOW

[spurraider21]

I don't refuse playing modern games, I said they're dumbed down in general and not as well designed as games in the past. Most feel like interactive movies more than a "game."
i mean yeah, there's some truth to what you're saying. because modern games place a heavier emphasis on narrative, the developers WANT you to see the game through. i think this is a big deal in rockstar games. im currently playing RDR2, love it, but if i just wanted to play through the main story and beat it, sure, it wouldn't be a challenge. you could ignore side content/activities and plow through the main game and its basically a huge set piece without too much challenge. however, for me, the game gives you a lot of incentive to loot, and the only way to effectively do that is to unlock upgrades to your satchel that allow you to carry absurd amounts of items. and that means you have to really master how to hunt, find some very elusive creatures, make sure they're pristine condition, and execute a clean kill so you dont damage the pelt at all. there's quite a learning curve for this. early on i was struggling to even get a single clean kill on a deer, which in hindsight is pretty hilarious.

i do think rockstar games are kind of a different category... but i still think its absurd to take RDR2 and GTA3 and say they're basically re-skins of the same product. GTA V and RDR2 are the 2 most recent rockstar games to come out, i love them both, but they play drastically different, even if they have the same narrative heavy approach.

but that doesnt' personify "modern gaming" its just a sign that increased budgets and improvements in the underlying tech give developers a lot more variety to work with. you can still play sidescrollers, platformers, shoot-em-ups... but you also have the options to play this sort of game. you aren't forced to play narrative intensive games, and its unfair to suggest that modern games only follow that path.

i dont understand your gripe with the last of us. lets say you dont care for narrative/storyline that much, since you want a "game" and not a "movie game." even then, my first (and so far, only) playthrough of that game was gripping. i played on hard difficulty, not survivor or grounded (though i definitely am itching to go back and play on grounded)... and the atmosphere of the game was flawless tbh. on hard, there are a lot of moments where you find yourself pretty short on supplies, and you want to scavenge, but with your unfamiliarity of the levels, aren't sure if you can freely roam about or if some infected is sitting around the next corner. or more specifically, when you're in the basement and need to start the generator, it's fucking terrifying :lol.

while you might think the stealth mechanics aren't the best of all time, and that may well be true, the game will punish you for blowing stealth because you are often so limited in supplies. you also cant just go and stealth kill anybody because humans will react to corpses you leave on the ground. you cant afford to just waste melee weapons because you basically need to save those for clickers. not to mention mid, when you play on survivor/grounded, you lose the "listen mode" which is something you probably rely on a ton during your first play through, even on hard.

older games required massive learning curves because those games are able to be beaten in less than 1 hour once you've learned it, and the developers could never justify a full game price. so the "game over" concept was a necessary strategy they pulled from quarter-eating arcade games. but a lot of modern games do come with similar learning curves, but you have to play at the appropriate difficulty. again, as developers want to reach a wide range of audiences, they can dumb down difficulty in games where your character is a near invincible damage sponge. play the arkham asylum on hard difficulty... its not the most challenging game, but you realize how quickly batman goes down. play it again on normal and you realize just how much more of a margin of error you have. i agree that turning enemies into damage sponges is a poor method of ramping difficulty, but ramping down YOUR character's health is more intuitive. it means you cant be half paying attention and lazily spamming buttons. you need to be precise. you previously claimed you preferred old shooters because you died in one shot and didn't have regen. that's purely a damage threshold preference, and not a game design quirk. heck you can play HOD on hardcore difficulty online and basically have that same dynamic.

[spurraider21]

thats a jumbled pile of thoughts tbh... because there's just so much that i think you've characterized, from past posts i've seen from you.

[spurraider21]

I wonder what game would change his mind :lol

My bet is on GOW
probably, based on how you've characterized the game. it's next on my list after i finish red dead.

from what i've read, im just gonna play one difficulty level below "give me a god of war"

[apalisoc_9]

probably, based on how you've characterized the game. it's next on my list after i finish red dead.

from what i've read, im just gonna play one difficulty level below "give me a god of war"

Give me god of war is torture. Def play hard though.

[diego]

i cant comment on gta v red dead because i havent played any GTA since 3 and never played read dead (hoping for a PC release for either one, they look great).

but I can comment on the last of us. For weird circumstantial reasons I was alone at a friend's house for a day and he had a (then) shiny new ps4 and the critically acclaimed Last of Us. I thought I was in for a treat but couldnt get past the first 30 minutes due to boredom so I went right back to nba2k. its a movie, not a game. I used to play tons of adventure games, a good story is not a problem, on the contrary, it can make poor gameplay bearable. But having basically 0 weight in the story is a problem, if you are going 10 minutes at a time watching without a button press thats not a game, its a frustrated movie director who went to video games.

The other problem is what kind of story. For example the first couple AC games had pretty good stories, or the original deus ex, of course some of it is out there but also in a good way, they were taking risks, casting the pope as a villain or the UN etc. Nowadays though everything is the same super safe daddy redemption story, not sure how many times people are going to play that crap and pretend its still interesting. there are obviously exceptions, the witcher 3 had several great stories, but stuff like the tomb raider series, as much as the presentation and mechanics improve the stories just get more and more retarded. whats the difference between AC origins and shadow of the tomb raider? Collect this, fetch that, grind here and level up there. they play almost exactly the same way, i see no one has touched the open world super hero games that midnight listed that are basically the same phenomenon (and they can be fun, i liked a lot of those games! execution counts!) but it seems rather silly to suggest that they are acclaimed because of their stories. they are acclaimed because they are pretty power fantasies with elaborate set pieces, the story is largely irrelevant in these games.

as far as a challenge, I guarantee you its way more of a challenge to be a tetris grand master than it is to %100 games like uncharted or last of us. and thats fine, a game doesnt have to be challenging to be enjoyable. I really liked games like minimetro or world of goo and they are basically impossible to lose.

and :lol at spurraider questioning Celeste for having too much acclaim, then pulling the "modern gaming can be diverse no one forces you to like narrative heavy games" line. You think maybe there's enough supply and demand for all types of games, and quality isnt exclusive to any one genre or time period?? then why trash Celeste, which you evidently havent played?

[spurraider21]

i cant comment on gta v red dead because i havent played any GTA since 3 and never played read dead (hoping for a PC release for either one, they look great).

but I can comment on the last of us. For weird circumstantial reasons I was alone at a friend's house for a day and he had a (then) shiny new ps4 and the critically acclaimed Last of Us. I thought I was in for a treat but couldnt get past the first 30 minutes due to boredom so I went right back to nba2k. its a movie, not a game. I used to play tons of adventure games, a good story is not a problem, on the contrary, it can make poor gameplay bearable. But having basically 0 weight in the story is a problem, if you are going 10 minutes at a time watching without a button press thats not a game, its a frustrated movie director who went to video games.

The other problem is what kind of story. For example the first couple AC games had pretty good stories, or the original deus ex, of course some of it is out there but also in a good way, they were taking risks, casting the pope as a villain or the UN etc. Nowadays though everything is the same super safe daddy redemption story, not sure how many times people are going to play that crap and pretend its still interesting. there are obviously exceptions, the witcher 3 had several great stories, but stuff like the tomb raider series, as much as the presentation and mechanics improve the stories just get more and more retarded. whats the difference between AC origins and shadow of the tomb raider? Collect this, fetch that, grind here and level up there. they play almost exactly the same way, i see no one has touched the open world super hero games that midnight listed that are basically the same phenomenon (and they can be fun, i liked a lot of those games! execution counts!) but it seems rather silly to suggest that they are acclaimed because of their stories. they are acclaimed because they are pretty power fantasies with elaborate set pieces, the story is largely irrelevant in these games.

as far as a challenge, I guarantee you its way more of a challenge to be a tetris grand master than it is to %100 games like uncharted or last of us. and thats fine, a game doesnt have to be challenging to be enjoyable. I really liked games like minimetro or world of goo and they are basically impossible to lose.

and :lol at spurraider questioning Celeste for having too much acclaim, then pulling the "modern gaming can be diverse no one forces you to like narrative heavy games" line. You think maybe there's enough supply and demand for all types of games, and quality isnt exclusive to any one genre or time period?? then why trash Celeste, which you evidently havent played?
the introduction to TLOU is very much a movie. the first 15-20 minutes is basically when you're playing as Joel's daughter or Joel running through streets while carrying his daughter. then the next 20 minutes or so is basically an extended tutorial as Joel and Tess are approaching Robert.

one thing i will agree with, as a general point, is that in modern games, you cant just pop in a new game for 30 minutes and have fun. my bro in law isn't a gamer anymore, and every now and again when he comes over to visit, he just wants to pop in a casually play a new game, but the openings are always so cinematic that he just gets bored and puts the controller down. he tried god of war, ratchet and clank, just cause 3. all games that have high acclaim that i plan to play, but he just got bored because the games start off very slow. the only game he enjoyed that way was spider-man which sorta starts right away and blends the tutorial with an introductory action packed sequence. newer games definitely dont have that arcade vibe of just playing for 25 minutes of fun and putting it away. you have to invest in the game to get the payoff.

as for celeste, i just feel like basic 2d platformer is an outdated game model, which at the time was the best they could do with the tech. i feel the same way about pinball machines tbh

i think its nuts to say the stories dont matter in modern action games. the story of infamous 1 is pretty fucking chilling, and when you play it a second time (the game's karma system basically means you SHOULD be playing the game at least twice, anyway), you really start to pick up on all the hints you missed, and it makes the game that much better. infamous 2 wasn't as good story-wise (it was still solid, and the good/evil system imo was improved upon with the ice/fire stuff, but the overall story wasn't on the same tier as infamous 1), but the game play was SO much better and smoother that i can go back and play through it over and over and still enjoy it. and on the harder difficulties you die pretty fucking quick. means you cant just run around thinking ur an unstoppable destructive force, which would make sense as a criticism of the lower difficulty levels that are akin to using invulnerability cheat codes

one of the reasons spider man got so much acclaim is that they created an original story instead of tying it to a movie, and its story is considered to be basically as good as any of his movies tbh

[Joseph Kony]

like i said before, LoU is meant to be played on grounded, which is where the real challenge in combat lies, especially if youre all hurr durr stealth is too easy. and yes, it is so good because of its story + gameplay.

but i dont mind when people talk down on games like that, because it makes it easy for me to know i shouldnt really take their opinion on gaming seriously. if youre one of those hipsters who like to be contrary and hate on popular games just because, thats cool, but go post somewhere else tbh. if you havent actually played the game at all other than watching the opening cinematics then why bother even commenting on it :lol

[Joseph Kony]

also, did you really just ask what the difference between a platformer like SotTR and an open world ARPG like AC Odyssey? :lol its like youre asking "whats the difference between football and basketball? ball goes back and forth, points and scored, same thing." :lmao they are not even REMOTELY similar games.

Tetris is fucking trash. if you like lame puzzle games thats cool, but please stfu when trying to compare it to a game like LoU. crofl "teris is harder than last of us!" yeah, no it isnt. take your last paragraph there and apply it to your posts. if youve never even actually played any of these games (playing LoU for 30 minutes it not actually playing it) then why are you even commenting on it?

:lol why do posters feel the need to come into the tech forum and talk down on modern games? no one cares if you think Contra is the peak of gaming bro

[diego]

as for celeste, i just feel like basic 2d platformer is an outdated game model, which at the time was the best they could do with the tech. i feel the same way about pinball machines tbh


Well agree to disagree then, pinball is awesome, and many modern games use pinball mechanics to great effect (peggle, Yuki's island express- yes they are kids games and yes they are fun). 2d platforming is basically the foundation of the most famous, popular game franchises ever, fail to see why it's outdated when Celeste does it, don't remember anyone complaining when Limbo was the rage a year ago- maybe you just need gore for some reason? Or celeste's emo story rubs people the wrong way, I can see that but it doesn't take away from the controls and level design, don't see why someone who likes platformers wouldn't like it.

[diego]

also, did you really just ask what the difference between a platformer like SotTR and an open world ARPG like AC Odyssey? :lol its like youre asking "whats the difference between football and basketball? ball goes back and forth, points and scored, same thing." :lmao they are not even REMOTELY similar games.

Tetris is fucking trash. if you like lame puzzle games thats cool, but please stfu when trying to compare it to a game like LoU. crofl "teris is harder than last of us!" yeah, no it isnt. take your last paragraph there and apply it to your posts. if youve never even actually played any of these games (playing LoU for 30 minutes it not actually playing it) then why are you even commenting on it?

:lol why do posters feel the need to come into the tech forum and talk down on modern games? no one cares if you think Contra is the peak of gaming bro

Don't think old games are automatically better than modern ones at all, never said that. Don't like bullet hell type games at all.

As for last of us, hey if you like 15 20 minute cutscenes that's great, when I want to watch a movie I watch a movie.

Now I did play origins and sotr extensively, please tell me what the difference is? How is sotr a platformer and origins open world? I see absolutely no difference in their structure and gameplay beyond setting and story, though I did like sotr more than origins as it felt like a tighter package vs the typical ubisoft laundry list of chores

[Leetonidas]

If you really claim to have played shadow of the Tomb raider and AC Origins "extensively" and you can't tell what the difference is stylistically then idk what the point of this discussion is. Maybe you're just not someone who really is into games aside from sports games? Idk man. But I've played and beaten LoU at least 6 times and this whole "everything is a 15 min custscene" narrative you're trying to spin here is just plain false.

[spurraider21]

Well agree to disagree then, pinball is awesome, and many modern games use pinball mechanics to great effect (peggle, Yuki's island express- yes they are kids games and yes they are fun). 2d platforming is basically the foundation of the most famous, popular game franchises ever, fail to see why it's outdated when Celeste does it, don't remember anyone complaining when Limbo was the rage a year ago- maybe you just need gore for some reason? Or celeste's emo story rubs people the wrong way, I can see that but it doesn't take away from the controls and level design, don't see why someone who likes platformers wouldn't like it.
i probably woulda complained about Limbo if i was more active in this sub at the time.

i basically didnt game at all from 2014 through the end of 2018, so i've had to do a lot of catching up with the scene. i just got my ps4 in november so far all i've played have been spider man, the last of us, and i'm about 2/3 through RDR2 (also mixed in arkham asylum, which i had previously played on the ps3).

end of the year they do all the awards and shit and i heard a lot of stuff about celeste.

[spurraider21]

pinball is awesome
also i think we can just end the conversation here tbh

[diego]

Never said everything is, said I couldn't get into the game because I got bored of the excessively long intro. Plenty of games have stories and tutorials to start without being that long and that passive.

As for sotr and origins, only difference gameplay wise I can see is that origins had camels and horses to ride, and the hawk to scout areas. Otherwise everything else is about the same, collect this, craft that, buy and sell x thing here or there, side quests, fetch quests, some combat and some stealth here or there. They both have open worlds, and structured indoor environments with some light puzzles which I guess is the platforming you refer to. Don't see how either could be called an RPG, the skill trees in both fill up quickly , it's not like you choose one build over another..

[spurraider21]

Never said everything is, said I couldn't get into the game because I got bored of the excessively long intro. Plenty of games have stories and tutorials to start without being that long and that passive.

As for sotr and origins, only difference gameplay wise I can see is that origins had camels and horses to ride, and the hawk to scout areas. Otherwise everything else is about the same, collect this, craft that, buy and sell x thing here or there, side quests, fetch quests, some combat and some stealth here or there. They both have open worlds, and structured indoor environments with some light puzzles which I guess is the platforming you refer to. Don't see how either could be called an RPG, the skill trees in both fill up quickly , it's not like you choose one build over another..
i haven't played AC Odyssey yet, but from what i've read you absolutely do have to choose your build. there's a level cap and it's not possible to unlock all abilities in a single run. you have to choose some and exclude some.

[spurraider21]

:lmao pinball

[ElNono]

:lmao pinball

:lol fuck off niglet, pinball rules...

BTW, if you hate long story holdups, skip Yakuza 0 right now...

[Joseph Kony]

also i think we can just end the conversation here tbh

:lmao whats next skiball

[ElNono]

i haven't played AC Odyssey yet, but from what i've read you absolutely do have to choose your build. there's a level cap and it's not possible to unlock all abilities in a single run. you have to choose some and exclude some.

IIRC, you can reset stats, but not sure, tbh

[spurraider21]

:lol fuck off niglet, pinball rules...

BTW, if you hate long story holdups, skip Yakuza 0 right now...
:lmao pinball

i like the way bb and pinoymarauder have been describing yakuza 0, will probably add it to my list of games to get later on. i think i'd enjoy it much more than persona, which bb also advocates for.

[ElNono]

:lmao pinball

i like the way bb and pinoymarauder have been describing yakuza 0, will probably add it to my list of games to get later on. i think i'd enjoy it much more than persona, which bb also advocates for.

still have to check Persona

[baseline bum]

:lmao pinball

i like the way bb and pinoymarauder have been describing yakuza 0, will probably add it to my list of games to get later on. i think i'd enjoy it much more than persona, which bb also advocates for.

I love Persona but you gotta like turn based RPGs. Bloodborne is the main game I have been advocating to you man. :lol

[spurraider21]

still have to check Persona
i havent played a turn based rpg since i played gen 2 pokemon in the early 2000's tbh :lol

[baseline bum]

still have to check Persona

Walmart has it for $19.93 currently in store

https://brickseek.com/walmart-inventory-checker/?sku=52539548

[spurraider21]

I love Persona but you gotta like turn based RPGs. Bloodborne is the main game I have been advocating to you man. :lol
yeah and you've already convinced me on that, i'll end up buying the complete edition for sure. just not in a rush given i already have a pretty sizable backlog.

one of the games i was able to pick up from my cousin is MGS 5, for example. according to howlongtobeat, that shit is longer than fucking RDR2, which is nuts... https://howlongtobeat.com/game.php?id=5918

i probably wont get through my current log for several months. again, a lot can change depending on what happens with my potential moving situation. if i end up moving to a different state come summer time i'll have an absurd amount of free time on my hands and will burn through games a lot quicker than now

[baseline bum]

i havent played a turn based rpg since i played gen 2 pokemon in the early 2000's tbh :lol

Pokemon kind of copied the Shin Megami Tensei series, which is what Persona spun off from

[spurraider21]

Pokemon kind of copied the Shin Megami Tensei series, which is what Persona spun off from
pokemon was only an rpg because you had to character (team) build... there was no actual choice as far as the actual game/story. no dialogue options, etc. if i'm going to start getting into RPG's, its going to be the ones that are not turn based tbh... things like bloodborne, witcher 3, i'll give a shot.

[apalisoc_9]

:lol fuck off niglet, pinball rules...

BTW, if you hate long story holdups, skip Yakuza 0 right now...

Tf? How long did you play it?

And lol st tlou being a movie. The gameplay in tlou is diverse. Its also one of the must fun multiplayer ive played in recent years.

[apalisoc_9]

I was like maybe 60% complete (platinum hunt) in persona 5 and it took me 115hrs :lol.

Persona 5 is def the longest game Ive ever played. Shit was so long.

[apalisoc_9]

Problem with persona 5..leveling up your social stats can take forever if you play it blind. And Asshole morgana has to play mum everytime. "Go to sleep" :lol

[diego]

i haven't played AC Odyssey yet, but from what i've read you absolutely do have to choose your build. there's a level cap and it's not possible to unlock all abilities in a single run. you have to choose some and exclude some.

Haven't played Odyssey, talking about origins... Which I played for about 35 hours and filled most of the skill tree before losing interest. If that qualifies for a rpg nowadays? And even if it does, sotr is the same. its so laughable to compare the two, and yet I haven't heard a single argument as to why beyond claiming one is openworld and the other is a platformer. I guess the combat is ever so slightly more complex in origins, and the puzzles in sotr are a tad more difficult, but I seriously have a hard time seeing the difference in two games that revolve around exploration, combat, and collecting shit.

Don't know what's so funny about pinball, shit has been going strong for decades and new, non mechanical, highly successful games use the same mechanics

I'll take pinball over CoD any day, and my favorite genre is FPS...

[spurraider21]

Haven't played Odyssey, talking about origins... Which I played for about 35 hours and filled most of the skill tree before losing interest. If that qualifies for a rpg nowadays? And even if it does, sotr is the same. its so laughable to compare the two, and yet I haven't heard a single argument as to why beyond claiming one is openworld and the other is a platformer. I guess the combat is ever so slightly more complex in origins, and the puzzles in sotr are a tad more difficult, but I seriously have a hard time seeing the difference in two games that revolve around exploration, combat, and collecting shit.

Don't know what's so funny about pinball, shit has been going strong for decades and new, non mechanical, highly successful games use the same mechanics

I'll take pinball over CoD any day, and my favorite genre is FPS...
ah, gotcha. i haven't played that either. truth be told i've only played AC 2 in full, and it was loads of fun. i started brotherhood right after (gamefly trial), but sent it back because i wanted a break from the AC story. (in a previous post i misidentified brotherhood as AC 3)

i mean you're basically saying that every game in the action/adventure genre is the same because there's combat and exploration. thats very shallow.

also :lmao pinball

[baseline bum]

I was like maybe 60% complete (platinum hunt) in persona 5 and it took me 115hrs :lol.

Persona 5 is def the longest game Ive ever played. Shit was so long.

You can't platinum Persona games on a first playthrough. There is always a secret boss who only becomes available to fight on the second playthrough of each of Persona 3, Persona 4 (original or Golden), and Persona 5. They're easily the best boss fights in each of the three games.

[Chris]

I decided to check out dead by daylight since chris keeps going on about it.

Lol the gameplay is kinda pretty shitty but I can see why it's somewhat addictive to play. There's a certain fulfilling aspect to surviving the killer or sacrificing all of them and winning. But it seems more like a game to play with friends to kill time. It's like the same thing as Friday the 13th

I also play Friday the 13th but not nearly as often. I'm a survivor main (rank 1) and rarely play killer, but I do enjoy playing as Meyers and Freddy (probably the weakest killer in the game) Once you figure out how to loop the mind games is where the fun comes in. If you plan on playing solo like I do, you will often get left on the hook no matter how altruistic you are.

[baseline bum]

pokemon was only an rpg because you had to character (team) build... there was no actual choice as far as the actual game/story. no dialogue options, etc. if i'm going to start getting into RPG's, its going to be the ones that are not turn based tbh... things like bloodborne, witcher 3, i'll give a shot.

Can't go wrong with either. Clear six months for Witcher 3 though. :lol

[Chris]

Dead by Daylight does not have incredible graphics like the AC games, but the gameplay/replayability are top notch. It was made by a small team based in Canada who are still releasing content (new killer/survivor every 3 months) and patching the game. No mics or chat eliminate toxicity to an extent, but people still disconnect/rage quit.

[DJR210]

I don't refuse playing modern games, I said they're dumbed down in general and not as well designed as games in the past. Most feel like interactive movies more than a "game."

Not a good generalization tbh.. there are plenty of highly complex games available, just as there are plenty of games that are made to be accessible by casuals.. A lot of these games hide complex systems for those who want to take the time to master whatever system it is..

[ElNono]

Tf? How long did you play it?

And lol st tlou being a movie. The gameplay in tlou is diverse. Its also one of the must fun multiplayer ive played in recent years.

I'm on chapter 3 in Yakuza 0... so far it's been 60 hours of cutscenes, maybe ~20 fights (including the street encounters) :lol I've actually started to skip cutscenes, it's ridiculous.

It's actually much more than Kiwami had.

[apalisoc_9]

I'm on chapter 3 in Yakuza 0... so far it's been 60 hours of cutscenes, maybe ~20 fights (including the street encounters) :lol I've actually started to skip cutscenes, it's ridiculous.

It's actually much more than Kiwami had.

Yeah of you're a combat/Gameplay guy. Yakuza 0 is probably not for everyone. Its got one of the GOATs story lines but if you're already skipping cutscenes, you've already given up on its strongest draw. Shit becomes like a netflix addiction by chapter 5.

Combat is def outdated imo.

Baseblinebum rates it higher than I do probably because he likes the side stuff but its def a story heavy game.

[ElNono]

Yeah of you're a combat/Gameplay guy. Yakuza 0 is probably not for everyone. Its got one of the GOATs story lines but if you're already skipping cutscenes, you've already given up on its strongest draw. Shit becomes like a netflix addiction by chapter 5.

Combat is def outdated imo.

Baseblinebum rates it higher than I do probably because he likes the side stuff but its def a story heavy game.

I should probably put it on hold, bad idea to play it right after Kiwami...

[spurraider21]

Yeah of you're a combat/Gameplay guy. Yakuza 0 is probably not for everyone. Its got one of the GOATs story lines but if you're already skipping cutscenes, you've already given up on its strongest draw. Shit becomes like a netflix addiction by chapter 5.

Combat is def outdated imo.

Baseblinebum rates it higher than I do probably because he likes the side stuff but its def a story heavy game.
story should supplement/enhance the game. thats why TLOU pulled it off so well. the story was great, but it also worked so well because it was such a perfect fit with the gameplay. you feel the dread, you feel how tired they are, you feel how on-edge they are during every encounter, so when you run into a clicker that can one shot you, its just terrifying. not that many games have the story and gameplay work that well together. its also why fallout games work so well, at least in the earlier chapters when you're short on ammo/supply/caps. by about the halfway mark you basically become a juggernaut with more caps than you can spend.

its one of my criticisms of RDR2... like when arthur complains about dutch killing people, its like dude, playing as you i've murdered hundreds of people :lol

[apalisoc_9]

story should supplement/enhance the game. thats why TLOU pulled it off so well. the story was great, but it also worked so well because it was such a perfect fit with the gameplay. you feel the dread, you feel how tired they are, you feel how on-edge they are during every encounter, so when you run into a clicker that can one shot you, its just terrifying. not that many games have the story and gameplay work that well together. its also why fallout games work so well, at least in the earlier chapters when you're short on ammo/supply/caps. by about the halfway mark you basically become a juggernaut with more caps than you can spend.

its one of my criticisms of RDR2... like when arthur complains about dutch killing people, its like dude, playing as you i've murdered hundreds of people :lol

Yakuza has great gameplay parts. Most fans of the series talk about its amazing side activities. The sidequest are actually top notch. The Combat is maybe a 6/10. Average.

Its an 8.5 out of ten. Imo, but ive seen fans rate it close to 10s because they enjoy the side activities.

I think Angryjoe review is spot on for people who have never played the series. I didnt enjoy the side activities like managing property and bars, angryjoe did..But he also said its got one of the better stories hes played in a very long time and all the characters in the game have strong depth.

The villiains are probably the best ive seen in video games.

What Im saying for a game like Yakuza 0, the gameplay is not limited to the combat. Thats what fans of the series say. So many other things to do..I just personally didnt enjoy them or i guess a better way to say it..I enjoy the main plot so much i just skipped everything ( same thing angryjoe was talking about)

[Leetonidas]

I also play Friday the 13th but not nearly as often. I'm a survivor main (rank 1) and rarely play killer, but I do enjoy playing as Meyers and Freddy (probably the weakest killer in the game) Once you figure out how to loop the mind games is where the fun comes in. If you plan on playing solo like I do, you will often get left on the hook no matter how altruistic you are.

Haven't really touched it since I initially downloaded it for free awhile back on PSN. but Dead by Daylight has actually been fairly entertaining, although incredibly frustrating at times. I can't stand how slow everyone moves :lol

[Chris]

Haven't really touched it since I initially downloaded it for free awhile back on PSN. but Dead by Daylight has actually been fairly entertaining, although incredibly frustrating at times. I can't stand how slow everyone moves :lol

It has huge learning curve but it's one of the only games that I will stay up until 5am playing without realizing it.

[spurraider21]

Yakuza has great gameplay parts. Most fans of the series talk about its amazing side activities. The sidequest are actually top notch. The Combat is maybe a 6/10. Average.

Its an 8.5 out of ten. Imo, but ive seen fans rate it close to 10s because they enjoy the side activities.

I think Angryjoe review is spot on for people who have never played the series. I didnt enjoy the side activities like managing property and bars, angryjoe did..But he also said its got one of the better stories hes played in a very long time and all the characters in the game have strong depth.

The villiains are probably the best ive seen in video games.

What Im saying for a game like Yakuza 0, the gameplay is not limited to the combat. Thats what fans of the series say. So many other things to do..I just personally didnt enjoy them or i guess a better way to say it..I enjoy the main plot so much i just skipped everything ( same thing angryjoe was talking about)
i can see that. tbh sounds like a rockstar game. story driven, solid yet unspectacular gameplay, and mediocre combat. a lot of side content.

[midnightpulp]

Not a good generalization tbh.. there are plenty of highly complex games available, just as there are plenty of games that are made to be accessible by casuals.. A lot of these games hide complex systems for those who want to take the time to master whatever system it is..

I'm primarily talking of the AAA market, yes. It's irritating to see what are essentially movie games praised to no end as "one of the greatest games of all time" by video game journalists (how good or bad the story is should have zero influence on a game review). I think the purest form of video game out there is the racing genre. I'm not necessarily saying it's the best, but racing games check all the boxes of what makes a good game/competitive activity, forcing you to learn the car's mechanics, track nuances, with customization options through tuning that can be explored for a literal lifetime. Fighting games are similar in this regard.

My basic requirement for what I consider a good video game is rewarding the player with progression (or higher scores) as his skill improves. And those skills should come with a learning curve. Something like the Uncharted series can be beaten easily on the highest difficulties just by being patient. There's really no "system" to learn. Same with many AAA titles in general. AAA game budgets are as big as blockbusters, so they obviously want the player to progress to the next fancy set piece they spent months working on.

[midnightpulp]

i mean yeah, there's some truth to what you're saying. because modern games place a heavier emphasis on narrative, the developers WANT you to see the game through.

I don't dislike AAA games necessarily, but I consider them more interactive entertainment than games for the reasons you cited.


But that doesnt' personify "modern gaming" its just a sign that increased budgets and improvements in the underlying tech give developers a lot more variety to work with. you can still play sidescrollers, platformers, shoot-em-ups... but you also have the options to play this sort of game. you aren't forced to play narrative intensive games, and its unfair to suggest that modern games only follow that path.



Modern gaming is kind of defined by AAA titles. Whenever I have this conversation, people always mention the indie scene and/or the lower budget titles that are inspired by the design of older games as "proof" modern gaming isn't dumbed down, but the irony here is that citing modern games with that design approach proves my point at the superiority of past game design.


i dont understand your gripe with the last of us. lets say you dont care for narrative/storyline that much, since you want a "game" and not a "movie game." even then, my first (and so far, only) playthrough of that game was gripping. i played on hard difficulty, not survivor or grounded (though i definitely am itching to go back and play on grounded)... and the atmosphere of the game was flawless tbh. on hard, there are a lot of moments where you find yourself pretty short on supplies, and you want to scavenge, but with your unfamiliarity of the levels, aren't sure if you can freely roam about or if some infected is sitting around the next corner. or more specifically, when you're in the basement and need to start the generator, it's fucking terrifying :lol.


First playthrough was also on hard, and I didn't find that to be my experience at all. Also, a problem with modern games, even when played at the highest of difficulties, is the forgiving checkpoint system, which is why they're tensionless. True tension in this regard is spending 40 minutes to get to the final boss of a shooter and knowing if you fuck up, it's all the way back to the beginning. Again, the forgiving checkpoint system is implemented because the designers want to move you along to the next set piece.


older games required massive learning curves because those games are able to be beaten in less than 1 hour once you've learned it, and the developers could never justify a full game price. so the "game over" concept was a necessary strategy they pulled from quarter-eating arcade games. but a lot of modern games do come with similar learning curves, but you have to play at the appropriate difficulty. again, as developers want to reach a wide range of audiences, they can dumb down difficulty in games where your character is a near invincible damage sponge. play the arkham asylum on hard difficulty... its not the most challenging game, but you realize how quickly batman goes down. play it again on normal and you realize just how much more of a margin of error you have. i agree that turning enemies into damage sponges is a poor method of ramping difficulty, but ramping down YOUR character's health is more intuitive. it means you cant be half paying attention and lazily spamming buttons. you need to be precise. you previously claimed you preferred old shooters because you died in one shot and didn't have regen. that's purely a damage threshold preference, and not a game design quirk. heck you can play HOD on hardcore difficulty online and basically have that same dynamic.


When I say older games, I'm not necessarily just talking about the arcade, 8 and 16 bit eras. Games like Godhand, Viewtiful Joe, Ninja Gaiden have relatively steep learning curves to their combat system but are 10-20 hour games. And yes, the health pack system in old first person shooters is far superior to regenerating health. You can't just go hide somewhere. When you're low on health, it changes your approach to the situation (i.e, you tried to go in guns blazing with full health/full shields, but caught a missile. Now you're at 30% and have to play the situation stealthily. In a modern shooter, you just hide, get full health, and go in blazing again), making for more dynamic gameplay and a greater generation of tension.

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I don't dislike AAA games necessarily, but I consider them more interactive entertainment than games for the reasons you cited.
i dont think this is a one sized fits all description though. i think it perfectly defines rockstar games. and they're great for what they are, but nobody is playing GTA games because they feel accomplished for managing to beat the game.


Modern gaming is kind of defined by AAA titles.
that's your prerogative. and even then, god of war is a big AAA title that won all sorts of awards. i haven't played it yet, but from what i've read, has moved on from its button-mash origin and has a new tactful combat system. you can always find what you're looking... taking a handful of big name games and claiming thats what this generation has to offer is lazy.


Whenever I have this conversation, people always mention the indie scene and/or the lower budget titles that are inspired by the design of older games as "proof" modern gaming isn't dumbed down, but the irony here is that citing modern games with that design approach proves my point at the superiority of past game design.
that "superiority" is just your opinion. people are saying you can still find modern games that are designed in the manner you may like. there are times when i enjoy the grinder games, there are times i just want to sit back and casually get through a game. and there are plenty of in-between games that demand your attention (when played on appropriate difficulty settings) that aren't getting you to pull your hair out.


First playthrough was also on hard, and I didn't find that to be my experience at all.
i need to git good then


Also, a problem with modern games, even when played at the highest of difficulties, is the forgiving checkpoint system, which is why they're tensionless. True tension in this regard is spending 40 minutes to get to the final boss of a shooter and knowing if you fuck up, it's all the way back to the beginning. Again, the forgiving checkpoint system is implemented because the designers want to move you along to the next set piece.
i dont agree with this criticism at all. whats the point of making you spend 38 minutes doing the same thing flawlessly over and over and over again just so you can master the last 2 minute segment. its just a waste of time and lazily increases the lifespan of the game instead of simply adding more content.

i will grant you that some games have absurd checkpoints, like in between stages of the same boss. but those are very few and far between.


When I say older games, I'm not necessarily just talking about the arcade, 8 and 16 bit eras. Games like Godhand, Viewtiful Joe, Ninja Gaiden have relatively steep learning curves to their combat system but are 10-20 hour games. And yes, the health pack system in old first person shooters is far superior to regenerating health. You can't just go hide somewhere. When you're low on health, it changes your approach to the situation (i.e, you tried to go in guns blazing with full health/full shields, but caught a missile. Now you're at 30% and have to play the situation stealthily. In a modern shooter, you just hide, get full health, and go in blazing again), making for more dynamic gameplay and a greater generation of tension.
but again, that's not every game. sure, that's the case in call of duty... but if you're playing on hardcore, there's no health regen. in games like TLOU, max payne, you need to use resources. the brilliance of the TLOU was making you decide between crafting health packs and molotovs, as they drain the same two resources, which are very limited, particularly at the higher difficulty settings.

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Anyone played divinity original sin 2?

Its got 10s and 9s in metacritic. Curious tbh.

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Midnightpulp talks about ninja gaiden. Did he forget that bloodborne is basically ninja gaiden in steroids.

Smdh.

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Would love to midnightpulp do a lets play of bloodbrone and get zoned :lmao

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Midnightpulp talks about ninja gaiden. Did he forget that bloodborne is basically ninja gaiden in steroids.

Smdh.

Ninja Gaiden 6-3 is much harder than anything in Bloodborne IMO. Ninja Gaiden 6-3 is that brand of stupidly unfair you see in a few NES games.