Ukraine

[Ef-man]

Good evening Moscow!!!!!

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1692350652486197527

[Ef-man]

Da

https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1692080996295102796

[daboom1]

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/08/biden.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=978



Suck-egg-mule.

[Ef-man]

My point is this war needs to wind down and that clearly there are others in the West who think territorial losses for Ukraine are on the table in order to do so.

Not hard to understand.

Sadly, some (perhaps you) just want to plow endless resources into this war though despite the diminishing returns.



https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1691818006526271926

[Ef-man]

https://twitter.com/Sputnik_Not/status/1691770626350989540

[daboom1]

"Make sure you're right........."

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"Then give RG & Effy a 12 incher-a-piece."

[DMX7]

Endless resources... Im sorry thats just not the case.

There are some who subscribe to the "whatever it takes" model in which we give Ukraine all the financial and military aid it needs to completely vanquish Russia from Ukraine. I can't imagine what that is going to cost, but don't forget the new G7 framework for security guarantees that is being worked on -- what is being proposed includes a possible Israel style military aid. Basically setting us up for endless amounts of aid in the billions of dollars even after the war is over if this is actually agreed upon.

[DMX7]

WAPO: U.S. intelligence says Ukraine will fail to meet offensive’s key goal.

Thwarted by minefields, Ukrainian forces won’t reach the southeastern city of Melitopol, a vital Russian transit hub, according to a U.S. intelligence assessment.


The U.S. intelligence community assesses that Ukraine’s counteroffensive will fail to reach the key southeastern city of Melitopol, people familiar with the classified forecast told The Washington Post, a finding that, should it prove correct, would mean Kyiv won’t fulfill its principal objective of severing Russia’s land bridge to Crimea in this year’s push.

The grim assessment is based on Russia’s brutal proficiency in defending occupied territory through a phalanx of minefields and trenches, and is likely to prompt finger pointing inside Kyiv and Western capitals about why a counteroffensive that saw tens of billions of dollars of Western weapons and military equipment fell short of its goals.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/17/ukraine-counteroffensive-melitopol/

[Ef-man]

There are some who subscribe to the "whatever it takes" model in which we give Ukraine all the financial and military aid it needs to completely vanquish Russia from Ukraine. I can't imagine what that is going to cost, but don't forget the new G7 framework for security guarantees that is being worked on -- what is being proposed includes a possible Israel style military aid. Basically setting us up for endless amounts of aid in the billions of dollars even after the war is over if this is actually agreed upon.

Well, that is “whatever it takes” means, so yes, whatever it takes.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

My point is this war needs to wind down and that clearly there are others in the West who think territorial losses for Ukraine are on the table in order to do so.

Not hard to understand.

Sadly, some (perhaps you) just want to plow endless resources into this war though despite the diminishing returns.

You want the war to wind down. Myself and others want the Russians to lose.

I am familiar with federal spending being in the trillions. You remind me of the people whinging about foreign aid.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

WAPO: U.S. intelligence says Ukraine will fail to meet offensive’s key goal.

Thwarted by minefields, Ukrainian forces won’t reach the southeastern city of Melitopol, a vital Russian transit hub, according to a U.S. intelligence assessment.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/17/ukraine-counteroffensive-melitopol/

This has been in the zeitgeist for over a month. That being said they have been making gains.

[DMX7]

You want the war to wind down. Myself and others want the Russians to lose.

I am familiar with federal spending being in the trillions. You remind me of the people whinging about foreign aid.

I think most Americans want Russia to lose (including myself) but we're not all willing to pay "whatever it takes".

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think most Americans want Russia to lose (including myself) but we're not all willing to pay "whatever it takes".

What it has taken to this point is hardly an issue given the denominator. Why are you complaining?

[DMX7]

What it has taken to this point is hardly an issue given the denominator. Why are you complaining?

Explain what you mean by "given the denominator". I hope it's not as much of a fallacy as I think it may be.

[daboom1]

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[daboom1]

Most Americans want peace. A small group wants Russia to lose because of their TDS.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Explain what you mean by "given the denominator". I hope it's not as much of a fallacy as I think it may be.

Federal expenditures. You are trying to make this a fiscal issue so like with foreign aid I am putting it into perspective.

It was $5.3 trillion last year. We have given Ukraine $110b in ~18 months.

[velik_m]

My point is this war needs to wind down and that clearly there are others in the West who think territorial losses for Ukraine are on the table in order to do so.

Not hard to understand.

Sadly, some (perhaps you) just want to plow endless resources into this war though despite the diminishing returns.

You live under delusion peddled by Russian that Ukraine only fights this war because they get support from west and because they are ordered so by the west (denying Ukrainians their agency and freedom of action). Both of these are blatantly false. The Ukrainians fought back since 2014, and have done so long before they had any support or interest for help from the west. If NATO ended support for Ukraine, this would not end the war, it would only make it more bloody and brutal especially for Ukrainian civilians. Secondly the defense of Ukraine (which cannot be achieved without defeating Russia) has a big support among the Ukrainian population. If Zelensky came out today and ordered his troops to lay down the arms, he would be removed and replaced by Ukrainian people. He's not Putin, Ukraine is a democracy.

So the option is not "keep supporting and war" or "stop supporting and peace", it's "keep supporting and shorter war" or "stop supporting and longer and even bloodier war". You would would have to be a particularly cruel and selfish person to root for the second option.

But even putting aside moral arguments, there are political and economical reasons to support Ukraine in their fight against aggressor:
1. Shorter war is better for everyone, especially for us in the west since we want to live in peace, freedom and prosperity, and war is not good for business and prosperity
2. Make no mistake this is an ideological war. A successful by tyranny against freedom, puts more free countries at risk and that will mean more wars, which is again bad for business. We are already seeing this in Africa with supporters of Russia's a "new world order".
3. Since the war will continue with or without west's support it's better to be waged with west's input, ensuring it does not escalate out of control. Without west's support you would see a more nationalistic and brutal regime in charge of Ukraine, one financed by less savoury methods. No one in Europe wants a failed state led by hardcore nationalists at their border, one Russia is more than enough.
4. Signaling you are willing to finance the war indefinitely with endless resources demoralizes Russia and their supporters and brings them quicker to negotiating table and thus brings us closer to peace.

As for the costs, i will be brief since i don't have time right now:
1. Old stuff costs to maintain, giving it away saves money.
2. New stuff needs to be tested, that saves you money by not buying and investing in something that doesn't work
3. War is bad for business, the quicker the victory the quicker we can get back to business
4. Peace dividend: keeping a uncertain "frozen" conflict or stalemate costs a lot, consider the cost of armies in cold war time, versus after the defeat of USSR (USA spent over 9% of GDP at the height of cold war, now it's less than 4%), or consider the cost for USA in Korea (an unresolved, frozen war). The quicker and more decisive the win against one of the most destabilizing force in the world, the quicker we can cut our defensive spending all over the west.

For democracies nothing will ever be as cheap as victory against Russia, the sooner the better.

And that is all completely ignoring the moral and humanitarian aspect, pure "real politic" and heartless calculation of what is better for us.

So yeah, whatever it takes and fuck Putin.

[ChumpDumper]

My point is this war needs to wind down and that clearly there are others in the West who think territorial losses for Ukraine are on the table in order to do so.

Not hard to understand.

Sadly, some (perhaps you) just want to plow endless resources into this war though despite the diminishing returns.

The returns are not diminishing. Russia's military power is diminishing.

[Ef-man]

Whatever it takes.

https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1692439358362788251

[Ef-man]

Dasvidaniya

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1692422168301236226

[velik_m]

1692453690207043866

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Back-end-of-mule.

[Winehole23]

WAPO: U.S. intelligence says Ukraine will fail to meet offensive’s key goal.

Thwarted by minefields, Ukrainian forces won’t reach the southeastern city of Melitopol, a vital Russian transit hub, according to a U.S. intelligence assessment.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/17/ukraine-counteroffensive-melitopol/Even more significant in my mind is the that the US, Ukraine's main supporter, has leaked this information to the DC newspaper of record. US support for maximalist outcomes seems to be cracking. I bet Zelensky is pissed.

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Even more significant in my mind is the that the US, Ukraine's main supporter, has leaked this information to the DC newspaper of record. US support for maximalist outcomes seems to be cracking. I bet Zelensky is pissed.

...good, he's nothing more than a Nazi loving fuck.

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Back-end-of-mule.

[velik_m]

1692564797437378923

[Ef-man]

Russia! :lol

Where no one bats an eyelid, nor shows concerned when an adult beats the crap out of a kid or another packs heat! :lmao :lmao :lmao

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1692357284746391940

[Ef-man]

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1691524576650387456

[steak n eggs]

https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/how-war-impacts-the-environment-and-climate-change/

War promotes climate change. I guess Biden neglects that important little detail. We're controlled by hypocrites.

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[Ef-man]

Shit, I should have invested more in LADA!!!!

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1692567246613196823

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[Ef-man]

Some lucky russian families are getting a Lada!!!!

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https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1692493404360286330

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[DMX7]

The returns are not diminishing. Russia's military power is diminishing.

Ukraine was provided tens of billions of military hardware for this counter-offensive and the territory that has been taken back is a fraction of what was taken back in last years major counter offensive.

Now even US intelligence is leaking that Ukraine won't achieve its major strategic goal.

And don't kid yourself, Ukraine is taking serious casualties but still won't pursue a ceasefire.

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Ukraine was provided tens of billions of military hardware for this counter-offensive and the territory that has been taken back is a fraction of what was taken back in last years major counter offensive.

Now even US intelligence is leaking that Ukraine won't achieve its major strategic goal.

And don't kid yourself, Ukraine is taking serious casualties but still won't pursue a ceasefire.

7, delivering good news on a Friday afternoon.

7

[pgardn]

Ukraine was provided tens of billions of military hardware for this counter-offensive and the territory that has been taken back is a fraction of what was taken back in last years major counter offensive.

Now even US intelligence is leaking that Ukraine won't achieve its major strategic goal.

And don't kid yourself, Ukraine is taking serious casualties but still won't pursue a ceasefire.

We have over and vastly underestimated Ukraine and their military ability.
You seriously dont think Russia will use a ceasefire to replenish positions and push again for that country?
They have basically switched to a war economy. You really want to draw it out further?

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We have over and vastly underestimated Ukraine and their military ability.
You seriously dont think Russia will use a ceasefire to replenish positions and push again for that country?
They have basically switched to a war economy. You really want to draw it out further?

Yes. We got 20% + the Zap plant and the water in the South.
Yes.

& GD I knew you'd show up and water down 7's good news, GD you, peeg!

SOB!!! That was my Friday afternoon good news to get me thru till tomorrow morning, asshole.

[Ef-man]

We have over and vastly underestimated Ukraine and their military ability.
You seriously dont think Russia will use a ceasefire to replenish positions and push again for that country?
They have basically switched to a war economy. You really want to draw it out further?


https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1691818006526271926

[DMX7]

Federal expenditures. You are trying to make this a fiscal issue so like with foreign aid I am putting it into perspective.

It was $5.3 trillion last year. We have given Ukraine $110b in ~18 months.

So what? US government spends money irresponsibly on lots of things that are bad investments; which of course has contributed to the massive debt and deficits and the beginning of the credit rating downgrades.

I was fine with most of the initial support to Ukraine, but I don't see a very good return on investment here anymore.

[DMX7]

You seriously dont think Russia will use a ceasefire to replenish positions and push again for that country?
They have basically switched to a war economy. You really want to draw it out further?

You can't guarantee that even if Ukraine kicks out Russia entirely that Russia won't rearm and try to invade again.

I think Russia has reset its ambitions after taking so many losses. Seems to me they want to lock in their gains but aren't interested in doing this whole thing over again.

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So what? US government spends money irresponsibly on lots of things that are bad investments; which of course has contributed to the massive debt and deficits and the beginning of the credit rating downgrades.

I was fine with most of the initial support to Ukraine, but I don't see a very good return on investment here anymore.

That's it 7, come back to old Dale. Let's keep our collective fingers crossed that peeg & Effy don't double back now and scare me again.

I got mine crossed.

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You can't guarantee that even if Ukraine kicks out Russia entirely that they won't rearm and try again.

Oh, God, 7, you're losing the momentum. Hurry and (edit) this to something like "I love Fridays, let's hug."

[clambake]

You can't guarantee that even if Ukraine kicks out Russia entirely that Russia won't rearm and try to invade again.
Right here

[pgardn]

So what? US government spends money irresponsibly on lots of things that are bad investments; which of course has contributed to the massive debt and deficits and the beginning of the credit rating downgrades.

I was fine with most of the initial support to Ukraine, but I don't see a very good return on investment here anymore.

What Russia did was bad for the vast majority of people on this planet.
It was good for smugglers and corruption in a number of countries.
But this still did it, and it is still on. Russia continues to feel more and more pain economically socially and politically.
Imo you give them time to reboot and it gets much worse.

Mexico, Canada and the EU are our 3 largest economic partners. I believe your kind of thinking risks 1/3 of that partnership which would be much worse than what we are currently paying. Russia has no other choices here but to create economic instability anyway they can while they can take a bit of a breather. I believe the thought of stabilizing fronts (this IS NOT PEACE) will make things much worse in the future. And I admit I am more of a long term thinker. Really bad idea.
They cannot be allowed to get off the mat now. Its not good for US.

[pgardn]

You can't guarantee that even if Ukraine kicks out Russia entirely that Russia won't rearm and try to invade again.

I think Russia has reset its ambitions after taking so many losses. Seems to me they want to lock in their gains but aren't interested in doing this whole thing over again.

It will be much more difficult because they can be degraded so much right now. Its much less likely.
There are also geographic reasons for this also, basically Crimea. Crimea allows the Russians access to replacement.
With Crimea NOW unstable for Russia it really cripples them. If Ukraine can keep damaging Russian shipping Russia will be forced to negotiate from a position of weakness.
This cannot be understated.

Also what kind of signal does this send to China on Taiwan?

[pgardn]

I knew when this started this was never going to be good for US short term.
This is a critical number of years imo. They have begun.

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What Russia did was bad for the vast majority of people on this planet.
It was good for smugglers and corruption in a number of countries.
But this still did it, and it is still on. Russia continues to feel more and more pain economically socially and politically.
Imo you give them time to reboot and it gets much worse.

Mexico, Canada and the EU are our 3 largest economic partners. I believe your kind of thinking risks 1/3 of that partnership which would be much worse than what we are currently paying. Russia has no other choices here but to create economic instability anyway they can while they can take a bit of a breather. I believe the thought of stabilizing fronts (this IS NOT PEACE) will make things much worse in the future. And I admit I am more of a long term thinker. Really bad idea.
They cannot be allowed to get off the mat now. Its not good for US.


It will be much more difficult because they can be degraded so much right now. Its much less likely.
There are also geographic reasons for this also, basically Crimea. Crimea allows the Russians access to replacement.
With Crimea NOW unstable for Russia it really cripples them. If Ukraine can keep damaging Russian shipping Russia will be forced to negotiate from a position of weakness.
This cannot be understated.

Also what kind of signal does this send to China on Taiwan?


I knew when this started this was never going to be good for US short term.
This is a critical number of years imo. They have begun.

peeg, swoopin' like Billy-b-jiggered.

SOB!!!

[DMX7]

It will be much more difficult because they can be degraded so much right now. Its much less likely.

You, yourself said they were shifting to a war economy. And their war industry is most likely going to be largely intact still because Ukraine can't go bombing factories (the West won't allow it). So the threat is there one way or another, I just think the motivation to push further into Ukraine is already greatly diminished. I don't think the cost is worth slightly more diminishment.

Taiwan is a whole different story. Biden has already explicitly said USA will go directly to war with China over it (because of chips I guess :lol ).

[RandomGuy]

So what? US government spends money irresponsibly on lots of things that are bad investments; which of course has contributed to the massive debt and deficits and the beginning of the credit rating downgrades.

I was fine with most of the initial support to Ukraine, but I don't see a very good return on investment here anymore.

I think preventing genocide, torture, rape, and mass murder is an important investment.

Russia has committed genocide literally dozens of times in the last 150 years or so, generally using mass murder to accomplish it. I think stopping its newest attempt is worth every single penny.

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It will be much more difficult because they can be degraded so much right now. Its much less likely.
There are also geographic reasons for this also, basically Crimea. Crimea allows the Russians access to replacement.
With Crimea NOW unstable for Russia it really cripples them. If Ukraine can keep damaging Russian shipping Russia will be forced to negotiate from a position of weakness.
This cannot be understated.

Also what kind of signal does this send to China on Taiwan?

...that Taiwan's shit is weak?

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I think preventing genocide, torture, rape, and mass murder is an important investment.

Russia has committed genocide literally dozens of times in the last 150 years or so, generally using mass murder to accomplish it. I think stopping its newest attempt is worth every single penny.

Though Russia did pull our fat out of the fryer there in Europe in 2, RG. We had the stomach to drop A Bombs on Yellow people, but we left the wet work on White Nazi's up to Russia, eh, fart face?

*Lo & behold the Nazi's are back once & again, in Ukraine.

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You, yourself said they were shifting to a war economy. And their war industry is most likely going to be largely intact still because Ukraine can't go bombing factories (the West won't allow it). So the threat is there one way or another, I just think the motivation to push further into Ukraine is already greatly diminished. I don't think the cost is worth slightly less diminishment.

Taiwan is a whole different story. Biden has already explicitly said USA will go directly to war with China over it (because of chips I guess :lol ).

With jacks and timbers 7 started back down.

7, 7, he's our man, peeg belongs in a garbage can.

7

[pgardn]

You, yourself said they were shifting to a war economy. And their war industry is most likely going to be largely intact still because Ukraine can't go bombing factories (the West won't allow it). So the threat is there one way or another, I just think the motivation to push further into Ukraine is already greatly diminished. I don't think the cost is worth slightly less diminishment.

Taiwan is a whole different story. Biden has already explicitly said USA will go directly to war with China over it (because of chips I guess :lol ).

War economies dont last.
Especially with Crimea and the Black Sea remaining unsettled.
I would like to see Ukraine with Crimea and access to a very good economic port, not Russia.

China is a different story because they are not willing to totally ruin their huge economy right now. Russia has a huge land mass and a tiny economy comparatively. But, they have noticed as we all have. Russia can easily disrupt the rest of the worlds economy. China has made it clear they dont want that. But later on during desperate times... I would like China to be less likely to be a successful disrupter of the world working with a stable economy. China is more likely to play a slow creeping game rather than an outright invasion. but if it was made easier, I can see China trying.

And what Random Guy says is important. Its just it does not go over well with US conservatives imo.

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I would like to see Ukraine with Crimea and access to a very good economic port, not Russia.

I already stated that first (Russia with the water), months ago. Me. I was first. You're my fart catcher.

Don't even start, peeg. I-was-first!!!

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And what Random Guy says is important.

You gd insufferable ass smootcher, you.

[pgardn]

Thread Im sorry I have you on ignore.
DMX brings up sincere valid points.
You just put up pictures so I put you on ignore again.

If you add something interesting showing some sort of insight to your posts I would read them.
Otherwise... Ill just opt out. You are completely boring now.

[RandomGuy]

You, yourself said they were shifting to a war economy. And their war industry is most likely going to be largely intact still because Ukraine can't go bombing factories (the West won't allow it). So the threat is there one way or another, I just think the motivation to push further into Ukraine is already greatly diminished. I don't think the cost is worth slightly less diminishment.

Taiwan is a whole different story. Biden has already explicitly said USA will go directly to war with China over it (because of chips I guess :lol ).

Russia's military industrial complex hollowed out decades ago.

Corruption rots out at any investment, and Russia has neither the skilled engineers, the machines, nor the machinists to pull of any mass mobilization of their economy.

They have some of the worst demographic columns of any major country in Europe, made worse by the millions that voted with their feet when the war started.

Russia will try to build up their industry, but that is not something that can be magicked up quickly.

Ukraine can't go bombing, but for some reason, Russian military/industrial buildings and facilities have been burning with rather startling frequency since early last year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_mystery_fires_(2022%E2%80%93present)

Tver 21 April 2022 Central Research Institute of the Aerospace Defense Forces[17] 7
Kineshma 21 April 2022 Chemical plant[18]
Korolyov, Moscow Oblast 22 April 2022 Industrial zone where many enterprises of the space and rocket industry are located[19]
Perm 1 May 2022 FKP gunpowder plant[27]
Berdsk 17 May 2022 Chemical plant[34]
Sergiyev Posad 8 June 2022 Zagorsk Optical-Mechanical Plant warehouse (optical, thermal & night-vision sighting systems)[41]
Volokolamsk 12 September 2022 Plastic chip depot warehouse[48]
Novokuznetsk 26 September 2022 Steel plant owned by Putin ally Roman Abramovich[49]
Ryazan 21 October 2022 Gunpowder factory[52]
Barnaul 9 December 2022 Tyre manufacturing plant[62]
Nizhnekamsk 12 December 2022 Synthetic rubber factory[65]
Saint Petersburg 13 December 2022 Machine-building plant[66]
Saint Petersburg 5 January 2023 Agricultural machinery plant[82]
Ufa 17 February 2023 Chemical plant[104]
Vidnoye, Moscow Oblast 5 March 2023 Coke and gas works[110]
Kolyubakino, Moscow Oblast 11 March 2023 Plastic production facility[112]
Dolgoprudny 18 March 2023 Chemical plant[116] 0
Yaroslavl 23 March 2023 Yaroslavl Motor Plant[117]
Aramil, Sverdlovsk Oblast 24 March 2023 Research-and-production enterprise[118]
Voronezh 7 April 2023 Aircraft plant[122]

(full list includes oil depots, pipelines, and other infrastructure)

Poor safety probably contributed to a good number of these, given the pressure from the top to increase production. UKR may not need to do much.

BUT

Many many Ukrainians speak fluent Russian. Corruption means poor security, generally. I have zero doubt that more than a small number of these fires were done by the SBU, or sympathetic Russians.

Russia is still big, but it is a shadow of the USSR. I would lastly point out that UKR was where many of the old USSRs factories were located.

I think a lot of people overestimate the Moscovy empire here. It is a hollow giant. Dangerous, but not invincible.

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Russia's military industrial complex hollowed out decades ago.

Corruption rots out at any investment, and Russia has neither the skilled engineers, the machines, nor the machinists to pull of any mass mobilization of their economy.

They have some of the worst demographic columns of any major country in Europe, made worse by the millions that voted with their feet when the war started.

Russia will try to build up their industry, but that is not something that can be magicked up quickly.

Ukraine can't go bombing, but for some reason, Russian military/industrial buildings and facilities have been burning with rather startling frequency since early last year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_mystery_fires_(2022%E2%80%93present)

Tver 21 April 2022 Central Research Institute of the Aerospace Defense Forces[17] 7
Kineshma 21 April 2022 Chemical plant[18]
Korolyov, Moscow Oblast 22 April 2022 Industrial zone where many enterprises of the space and rocket industry are located[19]
Perm 1 May 2022 FKP gunpowder plant[27]
Berdsk 17 May 2022 Chemical plant[34]
Sergiyev Posad 8 June 2022 Zagorsk Optical-Mechanical Plant warehouse (optical, thermal & night-vision sighting systems)[41]
Volokolamsk 12 September 2022 Plastic chip depot warehouse[48]
Novokuznetsk 26 September 2022 Steel plant owned by Putin ally Roman Abramovich[49]
Ryazan 21 October 2022 Gunpowder factory[52]
Barnaul 9 December 2022 Tyre manufacturing plant[62]
Nizhnekamsk 12 December 2022 Synthetic rubber factory[65]
Saint Petersburg 13 December 2022 Machine-building plant[66]
Saint Petersburg 5 January 2023 Agricultural machinery plant[82]
Ufa 17 February 2023 Chemical plant[104]
Vidnoye, Moscow Oblast 5 March 2023 Coke and gas works[110]
Kolyubakino, Moscow Oblast 11 March 2023 Plastic production facility[112]
Dolgoprudny 18 March 2023 Chemical plant[116] 0
Yaroslavl 23 March 2023 Yaroslavl Motor Plant[117]
Aramil, Sverdlovsk Oblast 24 March 2023 Research-and-production enterprise[118]
Voronezh 7 April 2023 Aircraft plant[122]

(full list includes oil depots, pipelines, and other infrastructure)

Poor safety probably contributed to a good number of these, given the pressure from the top to increase production. UKR may not need to do much.

BUT

Many many Ukrainians speak fluent Russian. Corruption means poor security, generally. I have zero doubt that more than a small number of these fires were done by the SBU, or sympathetic Russians.

Russia is still big, but it is a shadow of the USSR. I would lastly point out that UKR was where many of the old USSRs factories were located.

I think a lot of people overestimate the Moscovy empire here. It is a hollow giant. Dangerous, but not invincible.

They took 20% of Ukr, their nuclear plants and the southern water against 50 countries headed by this country, NATO, et al, RG. That ain't whistlin' Dixie, daddy-O.

[pgardn]

Russias war economy is hollowed out because its not modern at all.
But it can still be effective in disruption of world wide economy.
And it can be built back to provide enough disruptive power to remain an irritant. But the people in Russia?

The people of Russia learned to live with a corrupt rotten system and rather adapted. They wont like a corrupt war economy that does not provide enough Vodka for them. They have a certain standard of living in the bigger more modern cities. This is where political power is established. Putin is very cognizant of this. Putin is clearly attuned to how much the richer Russians can take. And this gives the war more hope in Ukraine's favor imo.

[Thread]

Russias war economy is hollowed out because its not modern at all.
But it can still be effective in disruption of world wide economy.
And it can be built back to provide enough disruptive power to remain an irritant. But the people in Russia?

The people of Russia learned to live with a corrupt rotten system and rather adapted. They wont like a corrupt war economy that does not provide enough Vodka for them. They have a certain standard of living in the bigger more modern cities. This is where political power is established. Putin is very cognizant of this. Putin is clearly attuned to how much the richer Russians can take. And this gives the war more hope in Ukraine's favor imo.

Please, this countries [[[corrupt rotten system]]] is far worse than Russia's, bub. This country threatened to blow up the White House the day the President wanted to move in.

The U.S. has nary room. Nary.

[Ef-man]

https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1692626295870656918

[RandomGuy]

Russias war economy is hollowed out because its not modern at all.
But it can still be effective in disruption of world wide economy.
And it can be built back to provide enough disruptive power to remain an irritant. But the people in Russia?

The people of Russia learned to live with a corrupt rotten system and rather adapted. They wont like a corrupt war economy that does not provide enough Vodka for them. They have a certain standard of living in the bigger more modern cities. This is where political power is established. Putin is very cognizant of this. Putin is clearly attuned to how much the richer Russians can take. And this gives the war more hope in Ukraine's favor imo.

Russian standards of living are taking a hit. Hard to know how far they can really be pushed before even the police state gets overwhelmed.

i9i47sgi-V4

The thing one can be sure of is no one is going to give Putin bad news. That will make his decision making process flawed.

Authoritarians suck at governing. Wanna-be fascists tend not to understand that. Xi's comeuppance is around the corner.

[Ef-man]

Russian standards of living are taking a hit. Hard to know how far they can really be pushed before even the police state gets overwhelmed.

i9i47sgi-V4

The thing one can be sure of is no one is going to give Putin bad news. That will make his decision making process flawed.

Authoritarians suck at governing. Wanna-be fascists tend not to understand that. Xi's comeuppance is around the corner.

On the plus side, Lada sales are booming!

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So what? US government spends money irresponsibly on lots of things that are bad investments; which of course has contributed to the massive debt and deficits and the beginning of the credit rating downgrades.

I was fine with most of the initial support to Ukraine, but I don't see a very good return on investment here anymore.

The point is that there is no fiscal downside. Have fun tilting at the inconsequential.

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Please, this countries [[[corrupt rotten system]]] is far worse than Russia's, bub. This country threatened to blow up the White House the day the President wanted to move in.

The U.S. has nary room. Nary.

[Ef-man]

Lada should be providing kickbacks to this munition's manufacturers.

https://twitter.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/1692286288966152369

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Lada should be providing kickbacks to this munition's manufacturers.

https://twitter.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/1692286288966152369

After Biden cried like a baby and swore that he wouldn't use said Cluster Bombs like Putin had used.

tee, hee.

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Ass-end-of-mule.

[boutons_deux]

USA approved NATO countries to deliver f-16s to Ukraine

[koriwhat]

Fuck Ukraine!

[DMX7]

The point is that there is no fiscal downside. Have fun tilting at the inconsequential.

I hope your personal finances aren't as bad as your reasoning.

[clambake]

I hope your personal finances aren't as bad as your reasoning.

How has this affected your finances, since you made it about that?

[DMX7]

Ukrainska Pravda: Biden administration criticises Ukrainian strikes in Crimea as waste of resources – CNN


Some military and US presidential officials have criticised Ukraine for striking occupied Crimea, as they see it as a distraction at best and a waste of resources at worst.

“It’s knocked the Russians off balance a bit, but it is not doing anything decisive,” a senior defense official told CNN. “And it would probably be better for everyone for them to just focus on the counteroffensive.”

One unnamed senior defence official said that "it’s knocked the Russians off balance a bit, but it is not doing anything decisive".
"And it would probably be better for everyone for them to just focus on the counteroffensive," the same official added.

[Thread]

USA approved NATO countries to deliver f-16s to Ukraine

Now we'll see if Putin is just talking out his ass, or, not.

[DMX7]

How has this affected your finances, since you made it about that?

All our country's individual instances of irresponsible spending are a lot in aggregate...

...and only seem like less individually when foolishly compared to the ever growing grand total.

The bill will come due for our country at some point, and it will be very ugly for everyone's personal finances unless the current trajectory changes.

[clambake]

All our country's individual instances of irresponsible spending are a lot in aggregate...

...and only seem like less individually when foolishly compared to the ever growing grand total.

The bill will come due for our country at some point, and it will be very ugly for everyone's personal finances unless the current trajectory changes.
Welcome to the mantra’s of our past, junior.

[clambake]

Ukrainska Pravda: Biden administration criticises Ukrainian strikes in Crimea as waste of resources – CNN

Oh yeah, this right here.

You fuck with them in every way possible.



Are you related to snakeboy?

[Thread]

All our country's individual instances of irresponsible spending are a lot in aggregate...

...and only seem like less individually when foolishly compared to the ever growing grand total.

The bill will come due for our country at some point, and it will be very ugly for everyone's personal finances unless the current trajectory changes.

...that "current trajectory" will not change until "very ugly" is delivered unto us.

ADDENDUM: Understand this; we have to see it first. We must see and feel "very ugly" and then we'll know and self flagellate mercilessly. That's America.

[DMX7]

Welcome to the mantra’s of our past, junior.

:lobt:

[Ef-man]

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1692579381783282141

[Thread]

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1692579381783282141

I thought every man 18 and over had to come back from Poland, heel up and report to the front. I think I was mistaken.

tee, hee.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I hope your personal finances aren't as bad as your reasoning.

Again we spent $110b in 18 months. Over that time we have spent $8000b. IOW, 1.5% of our outlays are to Ukraine.

You think that spending 1% of your income to prevent your friend from losing his house to a thieving entity is bad personal finance?

Talk about poor reasoning.

[FrostKing]

We have over and vastly underestimated Ukraine and their military ability.
You seriously dont think Russia will use a ceasefire to replenish positions and push again for that country?
They have basically switched to a war economy. You really want to draw it out further?
What's the end game? I'm not going to pretend I have the answers.

I think you are supporting doing this for the next 5 years.

Theoretically Putin could fall sick. I don't forsee the wealthy or the common man over-throwing him.

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/how-war-impacts-the-environment-and-climate-change/

War promotes climate change. I guess Biden neglects that important little detail. We're controlled by hypocrites.

Putin can stop it anytime he wants.

[FrostKing]

Putin can stop it anytime he wants.
Chicken or the egg. Russian viewpoint NATO broke an agreement not to expand.

[ChumpDumper]

Chicken or the egg. Russian viewpoint NATO broke an agreement not to expand.There was no agreement.

[velik_m]

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[RandomGuy]

Ukrainska Pravda: Biden administration criticises Ukrainian strikes in Crimea as waste of resources – CNN

meh. click bait headline.

[RandomGuy]

1692784835486486544

1692143153480884466

Russia has been selling a lot of oil to China and India. Falling currency values for China means Russia's oil exports will bring in even less money.

-fqjTvB1KC0

(EDIT)

And china will be demanding less energy overall, as well as less raw materitals. Demand for the stuff that russia extracts will be going down, at the same time its currency devalues. Double whammy.

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Ass-end-of-mule.

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[Ef-man]

Hater is ready to call Kupyansk


The Russians will take Kupyansk in a few days.


Calling it now....

One week later (way more than required for a 3-5 day SMO) and bitch-ass hater is hiding!

Called it, he is the kiss of death!!!!

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Ass-end-of-mule.

[pgardn]

What's the end game? I'm not going to pretend I have the answers.

I think you are supporting doing this for the next 5 years.

Theoretically Putin could fall sick. I don't forsee the wealthy or the common man over-throwing him.

What is my endgame:

Force Russia out of all of Ukraine especially Crimea.
Force Russia to join with the world's economy once again.
If they have a stake in the world wide economy helping them no matter who is in power, Im for it. Chips in the game and you will be more likely to play.
Both Ukraine (huge rebuild) and Russia will need a huge changes to integrate again. And appropriate help.
In both, corruption will of course be a problem, so the people might need to be completely exhausted and tired of this stupid shit of war and corruption.

My end game. Pipe dream? Maybe, but it is a goal to shoot for.

Now of course Trumpstes dont believe a world wide economy even exists (or if it does its evil...) they dont even think the US has a stake in it. And that, is pure stupidity.

[Thread]

What is my endgame:

Force Russia out of all of Ukraine especially Crimea.
Force Russia to join with the world's economy once again.
If they have a stake in the world wide economy helping them no matter who is in power, Im for it. Chips in the game and you will be more likely to play.
Both Ukraine (huge rebuild) and Russia will need a huge changes to integrate again. And appropriate help.
In both, corruption will of course be a problem, so the people might need to be completely exhausted and tired of this stupid shit of war and corruption.

My end game. Pipe dream? Maybe, but it is a goal to shoot for.

Now of course Trumpstes dont believe a world wide economy even exists (or if it does its evil...) they dont even think the US has a stake in it. And that, is pure stupidity.

The livin' end, kids? If Trump had sustained his Presidency, I'd be you, & you'd be me. Yeah. I'd be cheering for Trump, Ukr/Nazi's and the U.S.A.. You'd be cheering for Putin and Russia.

Just shows ta go ya.

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https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/08/biden.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=978



Ass-end-of-mule.

[RandomGuy]

https://www.advantour.com/russia/images/symbolics/russia-flag.jpg



Is mass murder of civilians acceptable to you? yes or no, it is a simple question.

[Thread]

Is mass murder of civilians acceptable to you? yes or no, it is a simple question.

I'll chose the time, place and inquisitor when I decide to take an exam, RG.

---

There ain't a scintilla of difference in how the U.S. & Russia conduct their shit. We portend to be better, but that is a lie. We made Russia our boogeyman in order to build our MIC and then to facilitate it decade after decade. One minute Putin is dancing in the White House, the next minute he's got a target on his forehead. One minute MBS has a price on his head sworn by Biden, the next Biden is over their beggin' for oil. Hey, RG, how would you react if some guy put a price on your son's head then came knockin' on your front door six months later beggin' for a hand down?

We make fun of Russia and their gov't/Putin and yet we're blind to the fact that entities in this country threatened to murder President Trump multiple times in broad daylight. Like it's okay to do that.

This country has lost it's way, and you know it.

[RandomGuy]

Is mass murder of civilians acceptable to you? yes or no, it is a simple question.


I'll chose the time, place and inquisitor when I decide to take an exam, RG.
---
There ain't a scintilla of difference in how the U.S. & Russia conduct their shit.

Most people who think they are good people can answer a simple question like that. Personally I find an inability to answer these kinds of question to be the height of cowardice.

But let's move on.

Let's see if there is a difference between US and Russian behavior.

https://www.dw.com/en/a-culture-of-torture-and-fear-is-rife-in-russias-prisons/a-60614959

Is torture widespread in US prisons?

[Thread]

Most people who think they are good people can answer a simple question like that. Personally I find an inability to answer these kinds of question to be the height of cowardice.

But let's move on.

Let's see if there is a difference between US and Russian behavior.

https://www.dw.com/en/a-culture-of-torture-and-fear-is-rife-in-russias-prisons/a-60614959

Is torture widespread in US prisons?

So, right away as soon as I won't abide your rules the name calling starts, RG. You not only will not look at this country with a critical eye, you won't tame yourself, RG. If you want to have a relationship with me treat me decent like you used to, RG. We did well back then. It wasn't perfect, no, but it was better than anything else since.

And yes, torture is widespread in US prisons. There is that story I believe down in a Georgia prison where the inmate died in a cell that was just barbaric. You know what they did with that picture and adjoining story? Threatened Trump with it. That he could end up in there and be done likewise. Sure, they didn't mean it, only joyously wrote/printed because he'd made President and that pissed 'em no end, but you don't see the humiliation that causes this country in the eyes of all other countries including Russia? You'd like to see Biden come forward and take leadership in this instance, but he doesn't dare. He'd lose votes, so, his wink & nod is the same for a blind man.

[Ef-man]

:lol

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1692964291371040940

[Ef-man]

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1692947835883241674

[Thread]

:lol

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1692964291371040940

He looks like the "Meathead" on -All in the Family-.

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https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/08/biden.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=978



Ass-end-of-mule.

[daboom1]

So, right away as soon as I won't abide your rules the name calling starts, RG. You not only will not look at this country with a critical eye, you won't tame yourself, RG. If you want to have a relationship with me treat me decent like you used to, RG. We did well back then. It wasn't perfect, no, but it was better than anything else since.

And yes, torture is widespread in US prisons. There is that story I believe down in a Georgia prison where the inmate died in a cell that was just barbaric. You know what they did with that picture and adjoining story? Threatened Trump with it. That he could end up in there and be done likewise. Sure, they didn't mean it, only joyously wrote/printed because he'd made President and that pissed 'em no end, but you don't see the humiliation that causes this country in the eyes of all other countries including Russia? You'd like to see Biden come forward and take leadership in this instance, but he doesn't dare. He'd lose votes, so, his wink & nod is the same for a blind man.

Testify!

[Ef-man]

:lol

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1693020452829245802

[Thread]

"Theft and corruption is already being blamed by the insiders."

& the outsiders located here in the old U.S.A..

tee, hee.

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[Ef-man]

Z playing 5,000D chess.

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1692641539405599200

[Ef-man]

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1692076832693068060

[daboom1]

Make sure you're right...


https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fd.newsweek.com%2Fen%2Ffull%2F1369 325%2Fvladimir-putin-sanctions-russia-us.jpg&f=1&nofb=1



Then give Effy the 12 incher.

[Thread]

Make sure you're right...


https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fd.newsweek.com%2Fen%2Ffull%2F1369 325%2Fvladimir-putin-sanctions-russia-us.jpg&f=1&nofb=1



Then give Effy the 12 incher, dry.

[daboom1]

Make sure you're right...


https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fd.newsweek.com%2Fen%2Ffull%2F1369 325%2Fvladimir-putin-sanctions-russia-us.jpg&f=1&nofb=1



Then give Effy the 12 incher, dry.


^^^^^

[Thread]

DRY!!!

[Ef-man]

:lmao :lmao :lmao

Russia’s first moon mission in decades fails after spacecraft collides with surface!!!

[Thread]

Make sure you're right...


https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fd.newsweek.com%2Fen%2Ffull%2F1369 325%2Fvladimir-putin-sanctions-russia-us.jpg&f=1&nofb=1



Then give Effy the 12 incher, dry.





BONE DRY!!!

[Thread]

:lmao :lmao :lmao

Russia’s first moon mission in decades fails after spacecraft collides with surface!!!

It's succeeded, Effy, after a fashion,,,

https://i.imgflip.com/3kxmt8.jpg

Translation by Dale.

[Ef-man]

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1693299311352619454

[Ef-man]

https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1693240566358888581

[Ef-man]

https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1693238607417676133

[velik_m]

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[velik_m]

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[Thread]

Make sure you're right...


https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fd.newsweek.com%2Fen%2Ffull%2F1369 325%2Fvladimir-putin-sanctions-russia-us.jpg&f=1&nofb=1



Then give Effy the 12 incher, dry.





BONE DRY!!!

[Ef-man]

Nice

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1693288350608674974

[Thread]

Make sure you're right...


https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fd.newsweek.com%2Fen%2Ffull%2F1369 325%2Fvladimir-putin-sanctions-russia-us.jpg&f=1&nofb=1



Then give Effy the 12 incher, dry.





BONE DRY!!!


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[Ef-man]

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1692844685792838013

[Ef-man]

https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1692523885504180728

[Ef-man]

https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1693287417090879841

[Ef-man]

https://twitter.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/1693309670411415772

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[Thread]

Make sure you're right...


https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fd.newsweek.com%2Fen%2Ffull%2F1369 325%2Fvladimir-putin-sanctions-russia-us.jpg&f=1&nofb=1



Then give Effy the 12 incher, dry.





BONE DRY!!!

[HemisfairArena]

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2021/06/17/world/17new-washington-briefing-prexy1/merlin_189326664_14dd7dd4-43fe-449d-9857-4abac76072e1-jumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao look how scared lil' Putput is to even shake Dark Brandon's hand

[HemisfairArena]

:lmao look how scared lil' Putput is to even shake Dark Brandon's hand

Biden trying to give him a hand job,,,,:lmao

[ElNono]

Never gets old.

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1692118516843819267

C'est la vie

[ElNono]

:lmao look how scared lil' Putput is to even shake Dark Brandon's hand

Old Joe bullying Putler in da paint, like he did with that loser Dennison...

[HemisfairArena]

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/07/biden-putin-1.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1024

[HemisfairArena]

Biden asking,,,is this the way out because i dont know where I am,,,,. What a clown we have as president,,,just look how stupid he is,,,,

[ElNono]

^^^ It still hurts :lmao:lmao:lmao

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[velik_m]

Alert – U.S. Embassy Minsk, Belarus (August 21, 2023)
Location: Belarus

Event: The Lithuanian government on August 18 closed two border crossings with Belarus at Tverecius / Vidzy and Sumskas / Losha. The four border crossings at Lavoriskes / Kotlova, Medininkai / Kamenny, Raigardas / Privalka, and Salcininkai / Beniakoni are currently open. The Polish, Lithuanian, and Latvian governments have stated that further closures of border crossings with Belarus are possible.

Actions to take:

Do not travel to Belarus due to Belarusian authorities’ continued facilitation of Russia’s unprovoked attack on Ukraine, the buildup of Russian military forces in Belarus, the arbitrary enforcement of local laws, the potential of civil unrest, the risk of detention, and the Embassy’s limited ability to assist U.S. citizens residing in or traveling to Belarus.
U.S. citizens in Belarus should depart immediately. Consider departing via the remaining border crossings with Lithuania and Latvia, or by plane. U.S. citizens are not permitted to enter Poland overland from Belarus. Do not travel to Russia or to Ukraine.

Read the travel advisory and country information page for additional information on travel to Belarus.

If you decide to travel to Belarus:

Have a contingency plan in place that does not rely on U.S. government assistance. Review the Traveler’s Checklist.
Visit our website for Travel to High-Risk Areas.
Keep your passport and visa documentation with you at all times.
Review your personal security situation and plan for contingencies that do not rely on U.S. government assistance.
Monitor local and international media for breaking events and be prepared to adjust your plans based on the new information.
Enroll in the Smart Traveler Enrollment Program (STEP) to receive Alerts and make it easier to locate you in an emergency.
Follow the Department of State on Facebook and Twitter.
Review the Country Security Report for Belarus.

Assistance:

U.S. Embassy Minsk, Belarus
Email: [email protected]
State Department – Consular Affairs
888-407-4747 or 202-501-4444


https://by.usembassy.gov/alert-u-s-embassy-minsk-belarus-august-21-2023/

[Tyronn Lue]

When did the Political forum become a spam fest? I thought derp was banned for the same shit.

[velik_m]

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[koriwhat]

Biden asking,,,is this the way out because i dont know where I am,,,,. What a clown we have as president,,,just look how stupid he is,,,,

Nah he was asking about the showers inside because he'd like to share one with his daughter. Biden is such a fucking creep.

[Thread]

When did the Political forum become a spam fest? I thought derp was banned for the same shit.

Just go and tell direct, Lue, why put up this pretense, ya weak thing, you?

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[Ef-man]

Russia united. :lol

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1693533407454572789

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https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/08/biden.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=978



Ass-end-of-mule.

[Ef-man]

https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1693680565537345556

[Ef-man]

Another one? What is air defense doing?

https://twitter.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/1693705706782814289

[Thread]

https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1693680565537345556

...war always has...

War is hell.
Peace is poor.

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https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/08/biden.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=978



Ass-end-of-mule.

[Ef-man]

https://twitter.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/1693444925981966674

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[daboom1]

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/08/biden.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=978



Dog-faced-pony-soldier.

[Ef-man]

Da

https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1692080996295102796

[Ef-man]

Hater is ready to call Kupyansk


The Russians will take Kupyansk in a few days.


Calling it now....

One week later and Kupyansk is still firmly in Ukrainian hands!!!!

Called it, hater is the kiss of death! :lmao

Little bitch is hiding!!! :lol

[ElNono]

Da

https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1692080996295102796

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[HemisfairArena]

https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.1609525da824901528be38199826c552?rik=MdtLmamNyPO qBw&riu=http%3a%2f%2fcrusadechannel.com%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2021%2f01%2fcrazy-biden.jpg&ehk=G0thcb3bq3GxafW8RX36q9davptYtqXJlWH8UnuuKUw%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0

[Ef-man]

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Another posting fail. :lol

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[hater]

:lmao meanwhile, the Supreme NATO commander....

https://twitter.com/MattWallace888/status/1693899396767752461

[hater]

"Crimea by Fall"


:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

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[hater]

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:lol

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"Crimea by Fall"


:lmao :lmao :lmao

hater

[hater]

https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.1609525da824901528be38199826c552?rik=MdtLmamNyPO qBw&riu=http%3a%2f%2fcrusadechannel.com%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2021%2f01%2fcrazy-biden.jpg&ehk=G0thcb3bq3GxafW8RX36q9davptYtqXJlWH8UnuuKUw%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0

:lmao

[hater]

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/08/biden.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=978



Dog-faced-pony-soldier.

:lol

[Ef-man]

One week later and Kupyansk is still firmly in Ukrainian hands!!!!

Called it, hater is the kiss of death! :lmao

Little bitch is hiding!!! :lol

Hater hiding after this called it!!!!

[ChumpDumper]

Hater hiding after this called it!!!!

:lol he had a little tantrum trying to bury your call out.

[Ef-man]

:lol he had a little tantrum trying to bury your call out.

Sorry this is happening to him but he is the kiss of death.

Add another to list of failures ITT. :lol

[Ef-man]

Hater is ready to call Kupyansk


The Russians will take Kupyansk in a few days.


Calling it now....

Here you go, back on top. :lol

-3-5 days
-No war
-Won’t take roads
-Kupyansk a few days

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Here you go, back on top. :lol

-3-5 days
-No war
-Won’t take roads
-Kupyansk a few days

Though, we still got the 20%, + the water in the south, & their Zap nuclear plant.

Not to mention that fuck Biden is siphoning from the Hawaiian Islands in order to keep the Nazi's in Ukraine afloat.

tee, hee.

[pgardn]

"Crimea by Fall"


:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

The longer it takes, the worse it is for Russia as well.
Rich corrupt people in the big cities who have lost power are not happy, at all.
Putin plays this game of pacification using inept troops so as not to disturb the peeps in big cities, while allowing the Russian military bloggers to keep asking for a full mobilization.
I guess the torture continues. Keep giving hope to a peace plan aint gonna work while the occupiers remain. This place is just leaking mauled bodies and dead rubles.

You need to update you Avatar, its quite silly now. It was before, but now its ... laughable level. btw I have a meeting with Lavrov at a Denny's on the Mexico side of the border. My neighborhood association president asked me to go to the meeting in his place.

I think I will cancel. Lavrov is getting very acquainted with this.


From ISW:

A constant theme on the ground. Russia has numbers but not the equipment or vigor to fight effectively.

A Russian milblogger claimed that Russian forces – especially the 20th Combined Arms Army (Western Military District) and 2nd Combined Arms Army (Central Military District), both operating in eastern Ukraine – lack light transportation vehicles, which inhibits them from using equipment and operating effectively and reduces their morale.[10] The milblogger claimed that Russian personnel must register their privately-owned vehicles with the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD), after which their vehicles disappear or get transferred elsewhere.[11



The shit like the above is a constant. The Russians are a mess on the ground and refuse to get better by going in full on the personnel and equipment for the men. Tactics are better but the fighting men themselves are just not prepared nor do they want to be in Ukraine. Its always hurrah for the drones landing in civilian areas, its all they got.

[hater]

Dr. Reality is one TOUGH Professor

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66542065

By James Waterhouse
BBC Ukraine correspondent

Ukraine is struggling to meet its demand for soldiers.

Volunteers aren't enough. The country constantly needs to replace the tens of thousands who've been killed or injured. Many more are just exhausted, after 18 months fighting off Russia's full-scale invasion.

Some men though don't want to fight. Thousands have left the country, sometimes after bribing officials, and others are finding ways of dodging recruitment officers, who in turn have been accused of increasingly heavy-handed tactics.

[koriwhat]

Fuck Ukraine!

Why aren't you all saying the same tbh and pushing for dumbfuck Biden/Congress to spend our tax dollars here, and especially in Maui rn, than laundering those dollars through the corrupt state of Ukraine? You fucks are worthless!

[hater]

Though, we still got the 20%, + the water in the south, & their Zap nuclear plant.

Not to mention that fuck Biden is siphoning from the Hawaiian Islands in order to keep the Nazi's in Ukraine afloat.

tee, hee.

Dont forget Obomba, Thread

Have not heard him say much on Maui from the guy who is allegedly from Hawaii and owns tens of acres of land there :lmao :lmao

[pgardn]

The Black Sea is going to be a constant problem for Russia.
It was stupid to attack the food for Africa.
The ports on the water will not be moving near enough goods now that Russian vessels are in constant danger.

The Ukrainians are openly defying the Russian vessels that try to check them.
So far no incidents. Im waiting for Russia to take or sink one.
The reaction will be another important missile vessel hit.
Now that underwater drones are in use and being produced, the Black Sea will be even more of a mess.
Russia has lost control of its most important way of moving goods and receiving goods via water.

The Ukrainians just keep upping the ante since Russia wants to play these games.

[Ef-man]

Everything is fine

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1693790601634893974

[Ef-man]

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1693957829214740716

[velik_m]

Dr. Reality is one TOUGH Professor

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66542065

By James Waterhouse
BBC Ukraine correspondent

Ukraine is struggling to meet its demand for soldiers.

Volunteers aren't enough. The country constantly needs to replace the tens of thousands who've been killed or injured. Many more are just exhausted, after 18 months fighting off Russia's full-scale invasion.

Some men though don't want to fight. Thousands have left the country, sometimes after bribing officials, and others are finding ways of dodging recruitment officers, who in turn have been accused of increasingly heavy-handed tactics.

1693963424407974156

[velik_m]

On August 22, Ukrainian defenders with the 47th Detached Mechanized Brigade entered the village of Robotyne, Zaporizhzhia region, and organized the evacuation of civilians

This is reported by Deputy Defense Minister Hanna Maliar.

"The soldiers with the 47th Brigade, which entered the village of Robotyne with a fight, organized the evacuation of civilians on Bradley BMPs," she wrote.

https://static.espreso.tv/uploads/photobank/301000_302000/301923_photo_2023-08-22_09-56-33_new_960x380_0.webp

Maliar added that Ukrainian soldiers are carrying out planned combat work and destroying the enemy. In response, the Russian forces are continuously shelling Robotyne with artillery.
...

https://global.espreso.tv/soldiers-with-47th-brigade-enter-robotyne-local-residents-evacuated

[hater]

:lmao the cumcloud for Robotina :lmao

Village is not even inside 1st layer of Russian defenses :lmao :lmao


"Crimea by Fall"


:lol

[Ef-man]

1693963424407974156

God damn, the old fuck is hater’s age!!!!!

Must be desperate times in the Kremlin to wheel out this antique.

[Tyronn Lue]

Just go and tell direct, Lue, why put up this pretense, ya weak thing, you?
How's Putin's space program doing these days?

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How's Putin's space program doing these days?

Ya stinkin' weasel tattle-tale bastard, you.

"Oh, Cubby, what's happening?"

"Oh, Cubby, I want to talk serious now."

"Oh, Cubby, I have a lot of questions, please answer them, oh."


Ya little rat, you.

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[ChumpDumper]

Fuck Ukraine!

Why aren't you all saying the same tbh and pushing for dumbfuck Biden/Congress to spend our tax dollars here, and especially in Maui rn, than laundering those dollars through the corrupt state of Ukraine? You fucks are worthless!
Maui is getting plenty of federal help. Don't be stupid.

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[hater]

Maui is getting plenty of federal help. Don't be stupid.

Not even 10% as much as Ukraine :lmao :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Not even 10% as much as Ukraine :lmao :lolIt isn't being invade by Russia, genius. And the UJS can easily pay for both.

:lol hater takes another L; tries to move goalpost.

[hater]

It isn't being invade by Russia, genius. And the UJS can easily pay for both.

:lol hater takes another L; tries to move goalpost.

Yup

If Maui was next to Russia they woulds gotten 100 billion and F16s

Since they are not. They get peanuts


You said it :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Yup

If Maui was next to Russia they woulds gotten 100 billion and F16s

Since they are not. They get peanuts


You said it :lmaoWell, yeah. They aren't going to send that stuff for a fire. They are going to send fire disaster aid just like they are doing.

What are you trying to argue here? You want Maui to be invaded? :lmao hater

[hater]

Roosters are coming home to fuck the chickens :lmao

With Ukraine’s counteroffensive all but halted, the time has come for Washington to push for peace—particularly given that Russia might launch a new offensive in 2024.

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/case-american-led-peace-ukraine-206732

[hater]

Roosters are coming home to fuck the chickens :lmao

With Ukraine’s counteroffensive all but halted, the time has come for Washington to push for peace—particularly given that Russia might launch a new offensive in 2024.

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/case-american-led-peace-ukraine-206732

"Crimea by Fall"


:lol

[ChumpDumper]

"Crimea by Fall"


:lol

Whom are you quoting?

Post a link.

[hater]

Whom are you quoting?

Post a link.

Ukranian military leaders, NATO, etc

https://www.businessinsider.com/retired-us-general-ukraine-recapture-crimea-before-summer-ends-2023-6?op=1

Here Ben Hodges (NATO senior advisor) for example.



:lmao Chimp

[ChumpDumper]

Ukranian military leaders, NATO, etc

https://www.businessinsider.com/retired-us-general-ukraine-recapture-crimea-before-summer-ends-2023-6?op=1

Ben Hodges (NATO senior advisor) for example



:lmao Chimp:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao :lmao:lmao:lmao

Nobody here.

And his prediction was explicitly qualified on weapon systems that were not delivered.

:lol hater holds another L

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Dont forget Obomba, Thread

Have not heard him say much on Maui from the guy who is allegedly from Hawaii and owns tens of acres of land there :lmao :lmao

Hussein is a sack-a-shit.

[hater]

My Bad

Ukranian commanders actually promised Crimea by Summer :lmao :lmao

Budanov predicted on Sept. 30, 2022, that the Ukrainian Armed Forces would enter Crimea by the end of Spring 2023.

https://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-reclaim-crimea-other-occupied-153000109.html



:lmao Chimp

[hater]

:lmao Chimpistan owned again :lmao

[daboom1]

:lmao Chimpistan owned again :lmao

:lol

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao Chimpistan owned again :lmao

:lol again, no one here.

YOU predicted Kiev would fall in 3-5 days.

How do you live with yourself after being that wrong?

[Hank Scorpio]

YOU predicted Kiev would fall in 3-5 days.


Really? :lol

[hater]

:lol again, no one here.

YOU predicted Kiev would fall in 3-5 days.

How do you live with yourself after being that wrong?

"Noone here"


You stupid fuck

Noone here is worth a damn shit. (Especially you)


The US Government, NATO and Ukranian leadership said "Crimea by Summer/Fall"

:lmao dumbfuck


So my statement stands.


"Crimea by Fall" :lmao


Chimp :lol

[ChumpDumper]

"Noone here"


You stupid fuck

Noone here is worth a damn shit. (Especially you)


The US Government, NATO and Ukranian leadership said "ukraine by Summer/Fall"

:lmao dumbfuck


So my statement stands.


"Ukraine by Falls" :lmao


Chimp :lol

Your statement was Kiev falls in 3-5 days.

[koriwhat]

"Noone here"


You stupid fuck

Noone here is worth a damn shit. (Especially you)


The US Government, NATO and Ukranian leadership said "Crimea by Summer/Fall"

:lmao dumbfuck


So my statement stands.


"Crimea by Fall" :lmao


Chimp :lol

He can't even point to Ukraine on a map let alone Kiev or however you spell that shitty city in that shitty country. These hacks here are nothing but retarded try hards.

[ChumpDumper]

He can't even point to Ukraine on a map let alone Kiev or however you spell that shitty city in that shitty country. These hacks here are nothing but retarded try hards.I do fall into the Russian spelling out of habit.

Of course I can point it out on a map.

You sure post here a lot for a professed "strong man" who claims he doesn't care.

[hater]

He can't even point to Ukraine on a map let alone Kiev or however you spell that shitty city in that shitty country. These hacks here are nothing but retarded try hards.

:lmao Chimp getting his ass pounded today like in the old days :lmao

[daboom1]

:lol again, no one here.

YOU predicted Kiev would fall in 3-5 days.

How do you live with yourself after being that wrong?


Really? :lol

Chump using his alt to give himself support :lol

[daboom1]

:lmao Chimp getting his ass pounded today like in the old days :lmao

:lmao

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Chump using his alt to give himself support :lol

:lmao

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:lmao Chimp getting his ass pounded today like in the old days :lmao
:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Ef-man]

Hater is ready to call Kupyansk


The Russians will take Kupyansk in a few days.


Calling it now....

:lmao

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[Ef-man]

The nights is long and full of terrors.

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1694162016594800671

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao Chimp getting his ass pounded today like in the old days :lmao3-5 old days


Chump using his alt to give himself support :lol3-5 alts

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's funny watching chump argue with the troll brigade like there is something to win.

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[ChumpDumper]

It's funny watching chump argue with the troll brigade like there is something to win.What do you win with koriwhat?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What do you win with koriwhat?

I was trying to get him to talk about his personal life and succeeded.

I have no idea what you are trying to win here.

[ChumpDumper]

I was trying to get him to talk about his personal life and succeeded.Maybe a few years ago. Now it's just you.


I have no idea what you are trying to win here.Why do you want him to talk about his personal life?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Maybe a few years ago. Now it's just you.

Why do you want him to talk about his personal life?

So I could understand his behavior. And I got him to talk about his family history here recently. It certainly does explain his behavior.

[ChumpDumper]

So I could understand his behavior. And I got him to talk about his family history here recently. It certainly does explain his behavior.Why do you want to understand his behavior?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Why do you want to understand his behavior?

Your regression is still boring, chumpers. Have fun taking the troll brigade at face value.

[ChumpDumper]

Your regression is still boring, chumpers. Have fun taking the troll brigade at face value.If you're ashamed to answer honestly, I completely understand. You've been after this one guy's personal information for years. It's notable.

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Make sure you're right...


https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fd.newsweek.com%2Fen%2Ffull%2F1369 325%2Fvladimir-putin-sanctions-russia-us.jpg&f=1&nofb=1



Then give Effy the 12 incher, dry & get 1 for Dumps.





BONE DRY!!!

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If you're ashamed to answer honestly, I completely understand. You've been after this one guy's personal information for years. It's notable.

If you say so. You're whatabouting this pretty hard but whatever you need to tell yourself to make yourself feel better.

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So I could understand his behavior. And I got him to talk about his family history here recently. It certainly does explain his behavior.

& then you threw it in his face, Lumps. That's beneath contempt.

[ChumpDumper]

If you say so. You're whatabouting this pretty hard but whatever you need to tell yourself to make yourself feel better.You're the one being suddenly very defensive and clamming up. Must have to do that to make yourself feel better.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You're the one being suddenly very defensive. Does that make you feel better?

if you say so.

I brought up your behavior and you went right for the whataboutism. Defensive is as defensive does.

[ChumpDumper]

if you say so.You're the one who shut down, so someone else has to say so for you.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You're the one who shut down, so someone else has to say so for you.

I actually answered some of your questions before your typical regression stupidity. You won't even acknowledge your taking the troll brigade at face value and went straight for the red herring.

It is obvious that you just want to argue. I am not going to give you any more supply.

Last word is yours.

[ChumpDumper]

I actually answered some of your questions before your typical regression stupidity. You won't even acknowledge your taking the troll brigade at face value and went straight for the red herring.

It is obvious that you just want to argue. I am not going to give you any more supply.

Last word is yours.Great, you realized you were going back on your "being bored" shtick you try whenever you get uncomfortable. I guess my question was too personal for you so you had to shut down and act all pissy like you're going to fool anyone who reads your little squirm show.:lol

[Ef-man]

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, a group of russians got hot-foot pranked.

https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1694075333379600564

[FuzzyLumpkins]

UKR has been weathering the counterattacks over Robotyne. They are getting closer and closer to Tokmak.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This is interesting because according to ISW the second line of defense around that region is not as well fortified as the first.


The Ukrainian advance in the Robotyne area brings Ukrainian forces closer to launching operations against second lines of defense that may be relatively weaker than the first Russian defensive line in the area. ISW has not observed any new Russian formations or units arrive in western Zaporizhia Oblast beyond the lateral transfer of the elements of the 7th VDV Division and the arrival of “Akhmat-Yug" Battalion elements in August.[10] Elements of the 503rd Motorized Rifle Regiment (19th Motorized Rifle Division, 58th Combined Arms Army, Southern Military District) previously operating near Nesteryanka (12km northwest of Robotyne) have reportedly arrived in the immediate vicinity of Robotyne, likely to reinforce failing Russian defenses in the area.[11] Russian forces deployed to the wider western Zaporizhia Oblast operational direction have been defending against Ukrainian counteroffensives since the start of the counteroffensive without rotation.[12] Russian forces do not appear to have uncommitted regular units in Zaporizhia Oblast. All elements of the Russian grouping in Zaporizhia Oblast that ISW observed in the area in the months leading up to the counteroffensive have since been engaged in defensive operations in western Zaporizhia Oblast or in the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border area.[13] ISW has since observed additional Russian elements that were likely already in the area only after they started defending against Ukrainian counteroffensive operations, however, and it remains possible that some yet unobserved and uncommitted elements may occupy positions at secondary lines of defense.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/ukraine-conflict-updates

And there is also the tactical reality of being able to rollup a defensive line once its been breached.

[daboom1]

Make sure you're right...


https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fd.newsweek.com%2Fen%2Ffull%2F1369 325%2Fvladimir-putin-sanctions-russia-us.jpg&f=1&nofb=1



Then give Effy the 12 incher, dry & get 1 for Dumps.





BONE DRY!!!

[hater]

Should the West Keep Arming Ukraine or Push for Peace?
A slow counteroffensive hasn’t led to major breakthroughs—prompting calls for negotiation rather than escalation.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/08/18/arm-ukraine-counteroffensive-russia-zelensky-peace/




Shits unraveling fast :lol

[hater]

"When your great offensive stalls, you punch through the minefields no matter the human cost." - Sun "Millie" Tzu


:lmao this is supposed to be US TOP general :lmao

https://twitter.com/shashj/status/1694060024492851612

[Ef-man]

https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1694325435490828627

[ChumpDumper]

"When your great offensive stalls, you punch through the minefields no matter the human cost." - Sun "Millie" Tzu


:lmao this is supposed to be US TOP general :lmao

https://twitter.com/shashj/status/1694060024492851612

Why do you lie about quotes?

[Ef-man]

Someone got shook!

https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1694294328317743123

[Ef-man]

India not russia landed on the moon this week, how about that!

https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1694332077104402813