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11-18-2023, 07:51 PM
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boutons_deux
11-18-2023, 09:15 PM
Washington Post reports that Putin is conscripting killers out of prison to go fight in Ukraine

FuzzyLumpkins
11-18-2023, 09:21 PM
Washington Post reports that Putin is conscripting killers out of prison to go fight in Ukraine

They had stopped?

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11-18-2023, 10:07 PM
Washington Post reports that Putin is conscripting killers out of prison to go fight in Ukraine

Truman dropped an Atom bomb from 30k on the Yellow people. Said Yellow people resisted...Harry S.: "Again."

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11-18-2023, 10:08 PM
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ChumpDumper
11-18-2023, 10:10 PM
We have been neighbors for almost 1,000 years. Up until recent history, Europeans were constantly at War. Hence why Europe conquered so much of the Globe, perfected War with all the practice.

Remember it was Stalin that gave us back Western land from Deutschland. The Russians took Kaliningrad but fairly we kept Gdansk. During the Cold War they respected our Catholicism.

:lmao man you really love being dominated

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11-18-2023, 10:33 PM
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daboom1
11-18-2023, 10:35 PM
Make sure you're right...


https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fd.newsweek.com%2Fen%2Ffull%2F1369 325%2Fvladimir-putin-sanctions-russia-us.jpg&f=1&nofb=1



Then give Effy and Dumps the 12 incher.

Ef-man
11-18-2023, 11:53 PM
https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1725901950015725590

Ef-man
11-18-2023, 11:57 PM
https://x.com/Tendar/status/1725821663273472476

Ef-man
11-18-2023, 11:59 PM
https://x.com/Tendar/status/1725229286531989555

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11-19-2023, 12:52 AM
Make sure you're right...


https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fd.newsweek.com%2Fen%2Ffull%2F1369 325%2Fvladimir-putin-sanctions-russia-us.jpg&f=1&nofb=1



Then give Effy and Dumps the 12 incher.

Ef-man
11-19-2023, 01:40 AM
The night belongs to the Baba Yaga

https://x.com/wartranslated/status/1725842370518773852

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11-19-2023, 01:42 AM
Make sure you're right...


https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fd.newsweek.com%2Fen%2Ffull%2F1369 325%2Fvladimir-putin-sanctions-russia-us.jpg&f=1&nofb=1



Then give Effy and Dumps the 12 incher.

daboom1
11-19-2023, 03:26 AM
Make sure you're right...


https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fd.newsweek.com%2Fen%2Ffull%2F1369 325%2Fvladimir-putin-sanctions-russia-us.jpg&f=1&nofb=1



Then give Effy and Dumps the 12 incher.

ElNono
11-19-2023, 04:43 AM
The night belongs to the Baba Yaga

https://x.com/wartranslated/status/1725842370518773852

C'est la vie...

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11-19-2023, 06:41 AM
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hater
11-19-2023, 10:21 AM
"Whatever it ta........ sorry fella. Gotta go. Good luck"

:lmao :lmao :lmao

https://x.com/velerie_a/status/1726093487517667334

Ef-man
11-19-2023, 10:46 AM
In other news, for those batting 0.000 ITT

https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1726264631084339479

Ef-man
11-19-2023, 10:49 AM
https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1726196578183217637

Ef-man
11-19-2023, 10:50 AM
C'est la vie

https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1726170123449377010

Ef-man
11-19-2023, 10:51 AM
Fucked around and found out

https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1726012587936977245

daboom1
11-19-2023, 01:48 PM
In other news, for those batting 0.000 ITT

https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1726264631084339479

"hoping to muster" :rollin

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11-19-2023, 06:38 PM
Fucked around and found out

https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1726012587936977245

...& still holding 20%. When the Ukrainian Nazi's get their Electric Bill it's from the Russians. tee, hee.

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11-19-2023, 06:38 PM
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hater
11-19-2023, 07:31 PM
...& still holding 20%. When the Ukrainian Nazi's get their Electric Bill it's from the Russians. tee, hee.

:lol

hater
11-19-2023, 07:32 PM
"hoping to muster" :rollin

:lmao

ElNono
11-19-2023, 11:59 PM
In other news, for those batting 0.000 ITT

https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1726264631084339479

Mitch is on it :tu

Ef-man
11-20-2023, 02:05 AM
Mitch is on it :tu

So is Javier

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1726394430792270221

Ef-man
11-20-2023, 02:25 AM
https://x.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1726373522140717557

Ef-man
11-20-2023, 02:26 AM
Thread on artillery

https://x.com/TrentTelenko/status/1726055695689073117

FuzzyLumpkins
11-20-2023, 04:30 AM
Thread on artillery

https://x.com/TrentTelenko/status/1726055695689073117

RUS has had tire shortages for months. Tells how poor their production economy is.

FrostKing
11-20-2023, 04:50 AM
:lmao man you really love being dominated
There are bigger problems facing Europe today than Russia. There will always be a part of me that is American but I don't like a foreign nation meddling in European matters. We need to handle it ourselves like we did throughout history.

ChumpDumper
11-20-2023, 05:42 AM
There are bigger problems facing Europe today than Russia. There will always be a part of me that is American but I don't like a foreign nation meddling in European matters. We need to handle it ourselves like we did throughout history.:lmao

Russia is meddling in European matters. Tough to think of a bigger problem than active war, but you're not very perceptive.

FrostKing
11-20-2023, 05:51 AM
:lmao

Russia is meddling in European matters. Tough to think of a bigger problem than active war, but you're not very perceptive.
A number of the more influential & powerful European nations have internal dissaray and it has nothing to do with Russia. Don't give them so much credit. Russia/China are exploiting self inflicted weaknesses.

If anything Russia just united Europe in a way not enjoyed for decades.

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11-20-2023, 09:29 AM
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ChumpDumper
11-20-2023, 12:57 PM
A number of the more influential & powerful European nations have internal dissaray and it has nothing to do with Russia. Don't give them so much credit. Russia/China are exploiting self inflicted weaknesses.

If anything Russia just united Europe in a way not enjoyed for decades.

No shit. That's because Russia is Europe's biggest problem, genius.

Thanks for the confirmation. :tu

FrostKing
11-20-2023, 01:40 PM
No shit. That's because Russia is Europe's biggest problem, genius.

Thanks for the confirmation. :tu
Don't be scared. Polska beat them before and will do it again if need be.

ChumpDumper
11-20-2023, 01:54 PM
Don't be scared. Polska beat them before and will do it again if need be.As long as you're still in NATO with big daddy USA.:tu

velik_m
11-20-2023, 03:20 PM
Biden Administration Announces New Security Assistance for Ukraine
Nov. 20, 2023 |

Today, the Department of Defense (DoD) announced additional security assistance to meet Ukraine's critical security and defense needs. This announcement is the Biden Administration's fifty-first tranche of equipment to be provided from DoD inventories for Ukraine since August 2021. This package includes additional air defense capabilities, artillery ammunition, anti-tank weapons, and other equipment to help Ukraine defend its sovereign territory and fight for its freedom from Russia's ongoing war of aggression.

This package utilizes assistance previously authorized for Ukraine during prior fiscal years under Presidential Drawdown Authority (PDA) that remained after the PDA revaluation process.

The capabilities in this package, valued at up to $100 million, include:

Stinger anti-aircraft missiles;
One High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS) and additional ammunition;
155mm and 105mm artillery rounds;
Tube-Launched, Optically-Tracked, Wire-Guided (TOW) missiles;
Javelin and AT-4 anti-armor systems;
More than 3 million rounds of small arms ammunition;
Demolitions munitions for obstacle clearing;
Cold weather gear; and
Spare parts, maintenance, and other ancillary equipment.

The United States remains committed to working with the coalition the United States has built of some 50 Allies and partners who are providing Ukraine with the capabilities it needs to defend itself now and deter Russian aggression well into the future. Our allies and partners have stepped up to provide approximately $36 billion in security assistance to Ukraine. Under the leadership of the United States, this global coalition has enabled Ukraine's courageous forces to successfully defend Ukraine's sovereignty and independence, win critical battles that repelled Russian forces, and take back more than half of the territory seized by Russian invaders.

Security assistance for Ukraine is a smart investment in our national security. It helps to prevent a larger conflict in the region and deter potential aggression elsewhere, while strengthening our defense industrial base and creating highly skilled jobs for the American people in dozens of states across the country. It is critical that Congress take action to support Ukraine by passing the President's supplemental funding request.

https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3594318/biden-administration-announces-new-security-assistance-for-ukraine/

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Ef-man
11-20-2023, 10:15 PM
https://x.com/TrentTelenko/status/1726610193692406038

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11-20-2023, 10:17 PM
GENOCIDE JOE!!!

Ef-man
11-20-2023, 10:19 PM
Days :lmao

https://x.com/TrentTelenko/status/1726605257424429420

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11-20-2023, 11:56 PM
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daboom1
11-21-2023, 01:45 AM
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ElNono
11-21-2023, 02:20 AM
https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3594318/biden-administration-announces-new-security-assistance-for-ukraine/

Whatever it takes :tu

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Ef-man
11-21-2023, 10:08 AM
https://x.com/TrentTelenko/status/1726603574413873269

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11-21-2023, 10:13 AM
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velik_m
11-21-2023, 10:48 AM
The Russian economy is in bad shape, no matter what the Kremlin says: Russian economist

...
Russia's gross domestic product grew 5.5% in the third quarter from a year ago — reversing a 3.5% decline in the same period last year, official estimates show.

But the growth isn't translating into affluence for many Russians on the ground.

"A large part of the Russian population have very low wages," Lipsits told the news agency.

It doesn't help that Russia's central bank has hiked its key interest rate to 15% to prop up the weak ruble that has slumped 16% against the dollar this year — which means that many people are chalking up higher debt.

Meanwhile, inflation in Russia hit 11.9% last year and is forecast to reach 7.0% to 7.5% this year.

Around 20 million people in Russia — or 14% of the population — are on the brink of poverty or already in poverty, said Lipsits.
...


https://news.yahoo.com/russian-economy-bad-shape-no-085202250.html

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Ef-man
11-21-2023, 02:40 PM
https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1727035252474785914

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koriwhat
11-21-2023, 03:31 PM
Fuck Ukraine!

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11-21-2023, 03:35 PM
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I'm sure whatever Komradewat had to say was riveting. Sorry I missed it.

Ef-man
11-21-2023, 09:26 PM
https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1727104321169621062

Ef-man
11-21-2023, 09:35 PM
Days, only an idiot would say that! :lol

https://x.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/1726964704629965039

Ef-man
11-21-2023, 09:36 PM
https://x.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/1726975745808060492

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11-21-2023, 09:45 PM
Fuck Ukraine!

hater
11-21-2023, 10:50 PM
Fuck Ukraine!

:lmao

ElNono
11-21-2023, 11:21 PM
https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1727035252474785914

C'est la vie

velik_m
11-22-2023, 12:46 AM
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1727095142279188960

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1726953325395103932

https://twitter.com/ukraine_map/status/1727098497889907048

velik_m
11-22-2023, 12:47 AM
https://twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1727077210652041582

Ef-man
11-22-2023, 12:47 AM
https://x.com/Tendar/status/1727170122748461066

Ef-man
11-22-2023, 01:04 AM
https://x.com/HamWa07/status/1727057429152649360

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Ef-man
11-22-2023, 01:52 AM
:lol

https://x.com/igorsushko/status/1726705205469917581

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11-22-2023, 04:10 AM
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velik_m
11-22-2023, 10:33 AM
https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1727269720674750490

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1727271753502925205

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11-22-2023, 10:35 AM
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velik_m
11-22-2023, 10:46 AM
1/ Relatives of Russian soldiers killed in the war in Ukraine are finding that they are unable to obtain compensation due to a "no body, no case" policy. Many dead Russians have not been retrieved, or their bodies have been completely destroyed, making retrieval impossible.
2/ The independent Russian news outlet Verstka reports on how relatives, commanders and prosecutors are bringing civil cases to have soldiers declared dead so that compensation can be awarded. At least 176 such cases have reached the Russian courts.
3/ Most of the known cases (126) have been brought by commanders and prosecutors, while the remaining 50 were brought by relatives. Courts can declare that a person went missing under “circumstances that threatened death,” and therefore died.
4/ This is often necessary when there is not enough left of the deceased to identify. In one case, a 50-year-old physical education teacher with no combat experience signed a volunteer's contract at the end of July 2022 and was almost immediately made a tank commander.
5/ He died on 4 October 2022 in a battle near Nova Kakhovka in the Kherson region when he was hit by a shell while leaning out of his tank. His comrades saw him reduced to fragments, but could not retrieve his remains.
6/ The man's 18-year-old son brought a case in May 2023 to have his father declared dead, and won. In August 2023, the man's bones were brought back to Russia along with those of dozens of other soldiers retrieved from the battlefield.
7/ Similar cases have been brought in relation to soldiers who suffered direct hits from artillery and missiles, as well as those whose remains were left in Ukrainian-held territory after failed assaults, or who could not be recovered because of incoming fire.
8/ Such litigation is posing challenges for the Russian courts. The man's wife, Zhanna, says "there are few such precedents, in our court such cases have never been considered before, so the judge asked to bring more and more new documents."
9/ Many soldiers have been listed as 'missing in action' with no resolution on their status. The case of Vasily Sukhanov from Shlisselburg provides one example. Originally a navy man, he was mobilised into the 25th Separate Guards Motor Rifle Brigade in late 2022.
10/ His mother Elena says that Vasily's commander "out of personal hostility one day" transferred him to a Storm Z assault brigade. "[Vasily] initially told me: this is a one-way ticket. I won’t return from there". A few days later, on 21 August, he was killed.
11/ Elena says: "The body has still not been brought home for burial, they keep telling us that there is a grey area [no man's land] there. With all this, they suggested we file a lawsuit to declare him dead, and supposedly his grave would be made there.
12/ "I want to get my son back home; he has a little three-year-old daughter and a wife." Vasily's commander has declined to help, saying "No body, no case." Appeals to the Russian Ministry of Defence and the Leningrad regional governor have been fruitless.
13/ Another example of that of Vyacheslav Dikarev from the Kaliningrad region, who went missing in action in August 2022, two weeks after joining the BARS volunteer detachment. His wife Victoria brought a case in April 2023 seeking to have him declared dead.
14/ His commander had stricken him from the list of active personnel on 28 August 2022 "due to death" but the military prosecutor's office ordered him to be listed as missing instead.
15/ The court rejected her case, leaving Victoria furious and unable to support herself and her child. "I've just been told to fuck off, to put it bluntly. I'm very angry at our Russian Federation, damn it." The authorities have so far done little to help her.
16/ Like many other Russians with missing relatives, she has had to trawl Ukrainian websites with pictures of the dead in an attempt to locate her husband's body.
17/ "Sitting constantly on these fucking Ukrainian websites and among these pictures of intestines that they post, looking for my husband, well, that's also... can you imagine? I looked every day to see if they'd post something, at least a body.
18/ "So that my subconscious made me realise: Vic, that's it, that's it. And if they don't find the body? How am I supposed to live? What am I now? I'm not a widow, but I'm not a wife either."

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1727248667143483489.html

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11-22-2023, 10:55 AM
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hater
11-22-2023, 10:56 AM
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1727248667143483489.html

:lmao "The independent Russian news outlet Verstka"

from their website:

"Verstka was founded on April 26, 2022" :lmao :lol


:lmao their domain registry has address in Arizona :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

"Registrant Street: 2155 E Warner Rd
Registrant City: Tempe
Registrant State/Province: Arizona"

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11-22-2023, 11:02 AM
:lmao "The independent Russian news outlet Verstka"

from their website:

"Verstka was founded on April 26, 2022" :lmao :lol


:lmao their domain registry has address in Arizona :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

"Registrant Street: 2155 E Warner Rd
Registrant City: Tempe
Registrant State/Province: Arizona"


:lmao:lmao:lmao

Ef-man
11-22-2023, 11:18 AM
https://x.com/Tendar/status/1727159654931735024

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11-22-2023, 11:20 AM
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Ef-man
11-22-2023, 11:22 AM
https://x.com/ukraine_map/status/1726609520829579680

Ef-man
11-22-2023, 11:33 AM
Kaboom

https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1727356256472678663

Ef-man
11-22-2023, 11:41 AM
Day 633 of 3-5 day SMO :lol

https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1727235503324623197

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11-22-2023, 11:53 AM
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boutons_deux
11-22-2023, 12:53 PM
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/11/21/2207224/-More-Russian-stuff-blowing-up-Missile-strike-on-Russian-army-concert-kills-25

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11-22-2023, 01:02 PM
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koriwhat
11-22-2023, 02:29 PM
LMAO Ukraine still "winning" you dumbfuck leftists?

Fuck Ukraine!

ChumpDumper
11-22-2023, 03:11 PM
How big are your calves now?

Ef-man
11-22-2023, 06:35 PM
How big are your calves now?

With so few customers, you would figure he would add leg days to his "busy" calendar but not Joey.

C'est la vie

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Ef-man
11-22-2023, 08:28 PM
:lol

https://x.com/PeterClifford1/status/1727444975321846111

hater
11-22-2023, 10:01 PM
LMAO Ukraine still "winning" you dumbfuck leftists?

Fuck Ukraine!

:lmao

velik_m
11-23-2023, 12:43 AM
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1727511826848502103

https://twitter.com/Biz_Ukraine_Mag/status/1727419994307522961

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11-23-2023, 12:55 AM
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Ef-man
11-23-2023, 01:52 AM
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1727511826848502103

https://twitter.com/Biz_Ukraine_Mag/status/1727419994307522961

That is going to hurt.

ElNono
11-23-2023, 02:36 AM
https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1727269720674750490

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1727271753502925205

Whatever it takes :tu

Ef-man
11-23-2023, 02:49 AM
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1727511826848502103

https://twitter.com/Biz_Ukraine_Mag/status/1727419994307522961

https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1727594156862615630

Ef-man
11-23-2023, 02:55 AM
Terminator drones

https://x.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/1727399683549712777

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11-23-2023, 08:39 AM
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hater
11-23-2023, 10:27 AM
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hater
11-23-2023, 01:46 PM
:lmao

https://x.com/OlgaBazova/status/1727621438906024356

ChumpDumper
11-23-2023, 02:14 PM
:lmao

https://x.com/OlgaBazova/status/1727621438906024356

How many stayed?

Thread
11-23-2023, 02:28 PM
:lmao

https://x.com/OlgaBazova/status/1727621438906024356

& our Frosty is housing a bunch of 'em, for a price, a hefty price.

Frosty

Ef-man
11-23-2023, 02:36 PM
Days :lol

https://x.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/1727691109713752227

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11-23-2023, 03:05 PM
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Ef-man
11-23-2023, 04:52 PM
https://x.com/nexta_tv/status/1727698173882159266

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11-23-2023, 07:10 PM
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11-23-2023, 07:32 PM
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Ef-man
11-23-2023, 10:31 PM
More meat for the freezer.

https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1727808016622174569

hater
11-23-2023, 10:54 PM
& our Frosty is housing a bunch of 'em, for a price, a hefty price.

Frosty

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11-23-2023, 11:24 PM
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velik_m
11-24-2023, 12:17 AM
More meat for the freezer.

https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1727808016622174569

No need for freezers:

https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1727774488983441841

velik_m
11-24-2023, 12:20 AM
https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1727781889425961311

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11-24-2023, 03:28 AM
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hater
11-24-2023, 09:47 AM
:lmao

https://x.com/OlgaBazova/status/1728028528833179903

hater
11-24-2023, 09:51 AM
:lol

https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1727975297490813089

velik_m
11-24-2023, 10:39 AM
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1727961434095559074

DMX7
11-24-2023, 12:52 PM
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1727961434095559074

"The same people who could be building a prosperous Russia will be remembered in history as invaders. Putin decided this.

Yet the individual filming is still convinced that someone attacked his family and religion in Kostroma."

Ukraine's most realistic hope of winning was essentially a revolution taking place in Russia.

That's not happening. Putin has successfully "done enough" to fool some Russians and suppress others in order to keep sufficient control of Russia and its war machine.

ChumpDumper
11-24-2023, 01:20 PM
Ukraine's most realistic hope is to keep fighting until Putin dies.

daboom1
11-24-2023, 02:01 PM
Ukraine's most realistic hope is to keep fighting until Putin dies.

You should go help them fight.

ChumpDumper
11-24-2023, 02:07 PM
You should go help them fight.

Why? You're not going to help the Russians fight.

DMX7
11-24-2023, 02:08 PM
Ukraine's most realistic hope is to keep fighting until Putin dies.

I'm not expecting his successor to be a whole lot better. Are you?

ChumpDumper
11-24-2023, 02:11 PM
I'm not expecting his successor to be a whole lot better. Are you?

WRT Ukraine? Worth a shot.

koriwhat
11-24-2023, 02:21 PM
Fuck Ukraine!

daboom1
11-24-2023, 02:29 PM
Why? You're not going to help the Russians fight.

Russia doesn't need my help. Z needs money. Z needs help.

Step up.

hater
11-24-2023, 02:47 PM
Ukraine's most realistic hope is to keep fighting until Putin dies.

:lmao thinking Putins successor will return Crimea :lmao :lmao :lmao

hater
11-24-2023, 02:48 PM
Fuck Ukraine!

:lol

hater
11-24-2023, 02:48 PM
Russia doesn't need my help. Z needs money. Z needs help.

Step up.

:lol

DMX7
11-24-2023, 03:55 PM
:lmao thinking Putins successor will return Crimea :lmao :lmao :lmao

Yeah, the successor isn't gift wrapping Crimea and giving it back to Ukraine. And yet Chumpdumper thinks it's the "most realistic hope".

Ef-man
11-24-2023, 04:52 PM
Ukraine's most realistic hope is to keep fighting until Putin dies.

With a shit russian economy and growing internal dislike of the war, the putler successor’s calculus will certainly include leaving Crimea rather than risk going down shitter in putler’s 3-5 day SMO.

Ukraine kicked best russian troops up north, Kherson, and Kharkiv. Highly unlikely that new russian conscripts will make any contributions other than freezing and dying this winter as putler is not supplying his troops with proper winter kit.

C’est la vie

ChumpDumper
11-24-2023, 05:17 PM
:lmao thinking Putins successor will return Crimea :lmao :lmao :lmao

I never said that.

:lol hater has to lie every single time

ChumpDumper
11-24-2023, 05:18 PM
Yeah, the successor isn't gift wrapping Crimea and giving it back to Ukraine. And yet Chumpdumper thinks it's the "most realistic hope".

:lmao DMX lapping up bullshit from hater

Are you just stupid now?

I won't be surprised.

ChumpDumper
11-24-2023, 05:19 PM
Russia doesn't need my help. Z needs money. Z needs help.

Step up.

We are.

You are too.

Ukraine thanks you!:tu

z0sa
11-24-2023, 05:38 PM
Ukraine is really sticky. If we let the Russians do whatever they want, even in lands millions of Russians were wounded/killed defending before the Russian Empire/USSRcollapsed, then it's just inviting them to become more and more aggressive until it just becomes the 2nd Cold War all over again, except this time China doesn't really like us either (and has exponential military capacity relative to the 1st Cold War).

I actually agree Ukraine's main choice is the outlast Putin. The average Russian might enjoy the idea of reclaiming a lost piece of the Empire or Soviet Union or whatever, but I doubt they're ready to die for such ideas.

Ef-man
11-24-2023, 06:48 PM
https://x.com/TheDeadDistrict/status/1727921069376393392

Ef-man
11-24-2023, 06:50 PM
https://x.com/TheDeadDistrict/status/1727891154459345109

Ef-man
11-24-2023, 06:53 PM
https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1728175404421439873

FuzzyLumpkins
11-24-2023, 08:20 PM
Yeah, the successor isn't gift wrapping Crimea and giving it back to Ukraine. And yet Chumpdumper thinks it's the "most realistic hope".

What do you base this on? First of all who is his successor?

I can honestly say that I have no idea because Russia is famously opaque.

Thread
11-24-2023, 09:04 PM
What do you base this on? First of all who is his successor?

I can honestly say that I have no idea because Russia is famously opaque.

Please. America tells us what Russia isPERIOD

Ef-man
11-24-2023, 11:02 PM
We are.

You are too.

Ukraine thanks you!:tu

Guess Qchrisy did not read about Putler reaching out to NK and Iran for weapons. :lmao :lmao

FuzzyLumpkins
11-24-2023, 11:28 PM
Putin is not going to get to restore the borders of 18th century Imperial Russia.

At least Katherine was responding to the Polish 17th century failed invasion of Moscow and conquered her little ass to the Carpathians. What she was trying to do though was free Constantinople.

The Russians playing proxy wars in the Balkans started a treaty cascade into WW1 and the end of that iteration of the state of course so there is that.

Thread
11-25-2023, 12:17 AM
Putin is not going to get to restore the borders of 18th century Imperial Russia.

At least Katherine was responding to the Polish 17th century failed invasion of Moscow and conquered her little ass to the Carpathians. What she was trying to do though was free Constantinople.

The Russians playing proxy wars in the Balkans started a treaty cascade into WW1 and the end of that iteration of the state of course so there is that.

He's got 20% of Nazi occupied Ukraine. That ain't whistlin' Dixie, fart-face.

Ef-man
11-25-2023, 12:37 AM
https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1728012697919197406

Ef-man
11-25-2023, 12:39 AM
https://x.com/wartranslated/status/1727980325249138795

velik_m
11-25-2023, 03:42 AM
https://twitter.com/OlenaHalushka/status/1728310347323322487

https://twitter.com/RubrykaEng/status/1728313945352556870

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11-25-2023, 05:37 AM
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velik_m
11-25-2023, 09:34 AM
https://twitter.com/United24media/status/1728372155929530630

velik_m
11-25-2023, 09:35 AM
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1728380920787599419

Thread
11-25-2023, 10:47 AM
https://twitter.com/United24media/status/1728372155929530630

Big deal, the Jews are bombing little Gaza ones and nobody gives 2 good shits about that, v.

Let us proceed...

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Ef-man
11-25-2023, 11:35 AM
https://x.com/wartranslated/status/1728341416269566042

Ef-man
11-25-2023, 11:43 AM
https://x.com/wartranslated/status/1728337988135047418

Ef-man
11-25-2023, 11:44 AM
Days :lol
https://x.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/1728419111401631804

Ef-man
11-25-2023, 11:44 AM
https://x.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/1728411724095566095

Ef-man
11-25-2023, 11:45 AM
https://x.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/1728196563585872205

C'est la vie

Ef-man
11-25-2023, 11:46 AM
https://x.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/1728169331719028883

Ef-man
11-25-2023, 11:49 AM
https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1728319341739852196

velik_m
11-25-2023, 02:53 PM
How I Lost the Russia That Never Was

...
Whether because of fear or inertia, Russian society hardly stirred itself during the massacres in Bucha, Irpin, Borodyanka, and Mariupol. I don’t accept repression as an excuse for passivity. The willingness to remain silent is hardly distinguishable from the impulse of the Soviet man who looked at a nonconforming neighbor and picked up the phone to call the KGB. And the silence of the many throws into relief the protests of the few.

Last year, a movement called Soft Power petitioned against the war in Ukraine and the mobilization to support it: “President Vladimir Putin does not and cannot have any legal grounds, any balanced reasons for the war,” the petition said. Nearly half a million people signed it. But in the country at large, anti-war voices have grown faint and the lists of those arrested or killed have grown long. Russia’s rich enjoy opulent lives while the rest of the country stagnates—and sends its children to die in something they are not allowed to call “war.”

Read: The bitter truth behind Russia’s looting of Ukrainian art

The war in Ukraine destroyed the part of me that missed Russia and felt pain for its fate. I can at last let go of my peculiar nostalgia—the nostalgia for what I hoped Russia could one day be—and see the country for what it is.

Russia is the country destroying cities and villages in Ukraine; the country where more than 500 political prisoners languish; where even Wagner soldiers know that their nation has no pity for its dead; the global power whose leader has entered an anti-Western entente with North Korea, China, Hamas, and other authoritarian governments that kill journalists and opposition activists. Russia has reached its bottom, and then the level beyond.


https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/11/russian-journalists-ukraine-war-wagner-group/676064/?utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_content=true-anthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

koriwhat
11-25-2023, 03:38 PM
Fuck Ukraine!

velik_m
11-25-2023, 04:03 PM
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1728253656099852323

velik_m
11-26-2023, 02:38 AM
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1728669675293495653

https://twitter.com/maria_drutska/status/1728664598113386683

https://twitter.com/revishvilig/status/1728663597734113762

velik_m
11-26-2023, 01:51 PM
https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1728828202070523939

Ef-man
11-26-2023, 02:43 PM
https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1728755468078625107

velik_m
11-26-2023, 04:30 PM
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1728842824135934410

Ef-man
11-26-2023, 04:45 PM
:lol



https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1728842824135934410

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DMX7
11-26-2023, 09:17 PM
What do you base this on? First of all who is his successor?

I can honestly say that I have no idea because Russia is famously opaque.

You joking? We know who it won't be. :lol

daboom1
11-26-2023, 10:40 PM
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FuzzyLumpkins
11-27-2023, 03:09 AM
You joking? We know who it won't be. :lol

So you agree you were full of shit when you were speaking for Putin's successor.

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Ef-man
11-27-2023, 12:02 PM
Days :lol

https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1729101067202482319

Ef-man
11-27-2023, 12:05 PM
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1728669675293495653

https://twitter.com/maria_drutska/status/1728664598113386683

https://twitter.com/revishvilig/status/1728663597734113762

https://x.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/1729159357076746277

DMX7
11-27-2023, 04:10 PM
So you agree you were full of shit when you were speaking for Putin's successor.

I agree you're an idiot if you think the successor is handing back Crimea. You're embarrassing yourself. :lol

Ef-man
11-27-2023, 06:50 PM
:lol

https://x.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/1729206071053504874

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11-27-2023, 07:27 PM
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Ef-man
11-27-2023, 10:15 PM
https://x.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/1729310207283515586

https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1729162809886531894

Ef-man
11-27-2023, 10:16 PM
https://x.com/nexta_tv/status/1728720460727390490

Ef-man
11-27-2023, 10:16 PM
Days :lol
https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1729101067202482319

Ef-man
11-27-2023, 10:17 PM
https://x.com/TrentTelenko/status/1729260699267035572

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11-27-2023, 10:58 PM
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FuzzyLumpkins
11-27-2023, 11:29 PM
I agree you're an idiot if you think the successor is handing back Crimea. You're embarrassing yourself. :lol

:lol You cannot even name who his successor is.

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FuzzyLumpkins
11-28-2023, 01:40 AM
I am not sure what would happen should Putin die. His old military intelligence apparatus still exists and it could be a coup but what they would do I have no idea much like I have no idea how probable that is to happen in the first place.

What is stupid is taking an uncertain future and conning certainty to your preferred outcome.

daboom1
11-28-2023, 01:41 AM
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It never gets old! :lol

Thread
11-28-2023, 06:41 AM
I am not sure what would happen should Putin die. His old military intelligence apparatus still exists and it could be a coup but what they would do I have no idea much like I have no idea how probable that is to happen in the first place.

What is stupid is taking an uncertain future and conning certainty to your preferred outcome.

I'll boil it down for ya, sweetheart...20%.

Ef-man
11-28-2023, 11:38 AM
More russian deaths and casualties from Ole Man Winter for sure


https://x.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/1729528124667310093

Ef-man
11-28-2023, 11:39 AM
https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1729533989302452513

Ef-man
11-28-2023, 11:41 AM
https://x.com/Tendar/status/1729174229739094102

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DMX7
11-28-2023, 04:18 PM
I am not sure what would happen should Putin die. His old military intelligence apparatus still exists and it could be a coup but what they would do I have no idea much like I have no idea how probable that is to happen in the first place.

What is stupid is taking an uncertain future and conning certainty to your preferred outcome.

Actually it’s your wishful thinking that has failed you badly here… really badly.

Ef-man
11-28-2023, 05:37 PM
https://x.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/1729608041824178396

pgardn
11-28-2023, 05:54 PM
Actually it’s your wishful thinking that has failed you badly here… really badly.

Honestly I was stunned Putin was stupid enough to start this war and invasion in the first place.
This was the point for me that a superpower became unpredictable. This is a very dangerous characteristic. It implies desperation. I am much more certain now that Putin will start another invasion if Russia recovers militarily (conventionally) during his lifetime self anointed presidency. Putin had already made some very bold intrusions before Ukraine. For me personally, Ukraine was a 100 fold escalation of desperation. Putin wants a dangerous world because Russia is failing badly and has been doing so for at least 30 years. Accelerated decay of a broken country that needs war.

Americans always go back to Vietnam and now Afghanistan as failures. The Ukrainian invasion is exponentially worse for Russia and Ukraine and Europe. And very, very dangerous and cancerous for the US. It’s so very different than China. China still has skins in the economic game. Russia feels it has very little to lose imo. There is not enough wealth and it appears manpower to lose. All in for conventional destruction or maybe they can take free Europe with time and effort. Just keep kidnapping people and children on a huge scale and move West. Fake elections. Repeat.

DMX7
11-28-2023, 06:36 PM
Honestly I was stunned Putin was stupid enough to start this war and invasion in the first place.
This was the point for me that a superpower became unpredictable. This is a very dangerous characteristic. It implies desperation. I am much more certain now that Putin will start another invasion if Russia recovers militarily (conventionally) during his lifetime self anointed presidency. Putin had already made some very bold intrusions before Ukraine. For me personally, Ukraine was a 100 fold escalation of desperation. Putin wants a dangerous world because Russia is failing badly and has been doing so for at least 30 years. Accelerated decay of a broken country that needs war.

Americans always go back to Vietnam and now Afghanistan as failures. The Ukrainian invasion is exponentially worse for Russia and Ukraine and Europe. And very, very dangerous and cancerous for the US. It’s so very different than China. China still has skins in the economic game. Russia feels it has very little to lose imo. There is not enough wealth and it appears manpower to lose. All in for conventional destruction or maybe they can take free Europe with time and effort. Just keep kidnapping people and children on a huge scale and move West. Fake elections. Repeat.

Putin didn't receive any meaningful punishment for invading Georgia, Crimea or the Donbas, so naturally he thought he could replace the whole Ukrainian government without much pushback. Now finally, he is paying a price but there will be no winners in this war. The longer it goes the worse off everyone is going to be including us.

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11-28-2023, 07:22 PM
Putin didn't receive any meaningful punishment for invading Georgia, Crimea or the Donbas, so naturally he thought he could replace the whole Ukrainian government without much pushback. Now finally, he is paying a price but there will be no winners in this war. The longer it goes the worse off everyone is going to be including us.

Uh, uh, 7. Z stated unequivocally that Russia must be out of every single percentage of Nazi occupied Ukraine land, or, there is no victory for Nazi occupied Ukraine.

& I'm holding Z to that fuckin' linePERIOD

ChumpDumper
11-28-2023, 07:37 PM
Putin didn't receive any meaningful punishment for invading Georgia, Crimea or the Donbas, so naturally he thought he could replace the whole Ukrainian government without much pushback. Now finally, he is paying a price but there will be no winners in this war. The longer it goes the worse off everyone is going to be including us.

Why us?

Your sudden concern over deficits?

Were the war effort revenue neutral for us would you be for it?

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11-28-2023, 07:48 PM
Why us?

Your sudden concern over deficits?

Were the war effort revenue neutral for us would you be for it?


Uh, uh, Dumper. Z stated unequivocally that Russia must be out of every single percentage of Nazi occupied Ukraine land, or, there is no victory for Nazi occupied Ukraine.

& I'm holding Z to that fuckin' linePERIOD

pgardn
11-28-2023, 08:27 PM
Putin didn't receive any meaningful punishment for invading Georgia, Crimea or the Donbas, so naturally he thought he could replace the whole Ukrainian government without much pushback. Now finally, he is paying a price but there will be no winners in this war. The longer it goes the worse off everyone is going to be including us.

Disagree.

Ukraine cannot possibly be winners except for being free and democratic (in a more immediate future). Both will be difficult to come by structurally and people wise as they are devastated and need help. They are now purer and simple fighters. Will they turn into a warrior state , the worst of the warriors becoming terrorists on a massive scale? In happened on a smaller scale in Chechnya. Or will Russia capturing and moving massive numbers of people to be deprogrammed work like it did not in SE Asia resulting in the killing fields? Or will the Ukrainians get some more immediate help?
Russia can clearly be the winner exactly the way I stated in the post you wrote this reply to. The destruction of infrastructure and people has already moved at its greatest rates. Unless a sudden nuke appears and we know where that comes from, its already been threatened by Russia. Ukraine will fall completely if Russia is not stopped and the land it stole given back. A HUGE piece of their economic ability was taken when Crimea was invaded in 2014. That must be returned for Simple viability now. It was not before, but now it must be returned.

And thats it. Sad. But a world leader made the decision. A horrible decision. Now people have already suffered immensely. You cant turn this around in a decade. Especially if Ukraine has its sovereignty and economic viability continually threatened which will happen if Russia does not stop AND give Crimea back. By force or not. Putin's choice.

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11-28-2023, 10:23 PM
Disagree.

Ukraine cannot possibly be winners except for being free and democratic (in a more immediate future). Both will be difficult to come by structurally and people wise as they are devastated and need help. They are now purer and simple fighters. Will they turn into a warrior state , the worst of the warriors becoming terrorists on a massive scale? In happened on a smaller scale in Chechnya. Or will Russia capturing and moving massive numbers of people to be deprogrammed work like it did not in SE Asia resulting in the killing fields? Or will the Ukrainians get some more immediate help?
Russia can clearly be the winner exactly the way I stated in the post you wrote this reply to. The destruction of infrastructure and people has already moved at its greatest rates. Unless a sudden nuke appears and we know where that comes from, its already been threatened by Russia. Ukraine will fall completely if Russia is not stopped and the land it stole given back. A HUGE piece of their economic ability was taken when Crimea was invaded in 2014. That must be returned for Simple viability now. It was not before, but now it must be returned.

And thats it. Sad. But a world leader made the decision. A horrible decision. Now people have already suffered immensely. You cant turn this around in a decade. Especially if Ukraine has its sovereignty and economic viability continually threatened which will happen if Russia does not stop AND give Crimea back. By force or not. Putin's choice.

This (choice) has been made by Putin, peeg.

Let us proceed...

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11-28-2023, 10:57 PM
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FuzzyLumpkins
11-28-2023, 11:10 PM
Actually it’s your wishful thinking that has failed you badly here… really badly.

:lol Your con just got boring.

DMX7
11-29-2023, 12:33 AM
Why us?

Your sudden concern over deficits?

Were the war effort revenue neutral for us would you be for it?

It's decreasing our military readiness, costing a lot and risking escalation (even if such escalation were started merely by accident the risk is still higher).

My concern over the deficit is not sudden.

I would be slightly more inclined to support a substantial increase in aid if didn't add to our debt load... of course it does though.


Disagree.

Ukraine cannot possibly be winners except for being free and democratic (in a more immediate future). Both will be difficult to come by structurally and people wise as they are devastated and need help. They are now purer and simple fighters. Will they turn into a warrior state , the worst of the warriors becoming terrorists on a massive scale? In happened on a smaller scale in Chechnya. Or will Russia capturing and moving massive numbers of people to be deprogrammed work like it did not in SE Asia resulting in the killing fields? Or will the Ukrainians get some more immediate help?
Russia can clearly be the winner exactly the way I stated in the post you wrote this reply to. The destruction of infrastructure and people has already moved at its greatest rates. Unless a sudden nuke appears and we know where that comes from, its already been threatened by Russia. Ukraine will fall completely if Russia is not stopped and the land it stole given back. A HUGE piece of their economic ability was taken when Crimea was invaded in 2014. That must be returned for Simple viability now. It was not before, but now it must be returned.

And thats it. Sad. But a world leader made the decision. A horrible decision. Now people have already suffered immensely. You cant turn this around in a decade. Especially if Ukraine has its sovereignty and economic viability continually threatened which will happen if Russia does not stop AND give Crimea back. By force or not. Putin's choice.

This talk about what Russia "must" do sounds strong but it also ignores the practical reality. There is barely enough political support just to sustain what is currently being given to Ukraine from the West -- much less increase it by a factor of 3x, 5x, 10x, or whatever the latest ask is. And Ukraine's manpower problem is only going to limit what can be achieved even if support were stepped up by that much.

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ChumpDumper
11-29-2023, 01:10 AM
It's decreasing our military readiness, costing a lot and risking escalation (even if such escalation were started merely by accident the risk is still higher).

My concern over the deficit is not sudden.

I would be slightly more inclined to support a substantial increase in aid if didn't add to our debt load... of course it does though.It was already being loaded.

Were you for cutting "entitlements" or raising taxes all along?

DMX7
11-29-2023, 01:21 AM
It was already being loaded.

Were you for cutting "entitlements" or raising taxes all along?

Yes, it's been loaded by many things. Some very confused people seem to think that's an argument for loading it even more.

ChumpDumper
11-29-2023, 01:28 AM
Yes, it's been loaded by many things. Some very confused people seem to think that's an argument for loading it even more.

If it's worth it, absolutely.

You are so hell bent on appeasement. Why? It can't be just a pocketbook issue.

DMX7
11-29-2023, 01:31 AM
If it's worth it, absolutely.

You are so hell bent on appeasement. Why? It can't be just a pocketbook issue.

Because it's not worth it. It's not worth the risk or the cost when it doesn't even guarantee Ukraine can take and hold all territory.

I'm open minded. I haven't seen anything that makes me think otherwise.

ChumpDumper
11-29-2023, 01:37 AM
Because it's not worth it. It's not worth the risk or the cost when it doesn't even guarantee Ukraine can take and hold all territory.

I'm open minded. I haven't seen anything that makes me think otherwise.So fuck NATO if he invades the Baltics?

DMX7
11-29-2023, 01:50 AM
So fuck NATO if he invades the Baltics?

No.

However, I see no indication that Putin even wants a hot war with NATO.

It's one thing for Putin to attack a country that he thought he could easily beat (Ukraine). It's another thing to attack NATO.

ChumpDumper
11-29-2023, 04:52 AM
No.

However, I see no indication that Putin even wants a hot war with NATO.

It's one thing for Putin to attack a country that he thought he could easily beat (Ukraine). It's another thing to attack NATO.

But that would be escalation -- something you want to avoid.

But you would to stop him in that case.

Because it would be worth it.

Pile on that debt.

You're full of contradictions.

pgardn
11-29-2023, 08:43 AM
It's decreasing our military readiness, costing a lot and risking escalation (even if such escalation were started merely by accident the risk is still higher).

My concern over the deficit is not sudden.

I would be slightly more inclined to support a substantial increase in aid if didn't add to our debt load... of course it does though.



This talk about what Russia "must" do sounds strong but it also ignores the practical reality. There is barely enough political support just to sustain what is currently being given to Ukraine from the West -- much less increase it by a factor of 3x, 5x, 10x, or whatever the latest ask is. And Ukraine's manpower problem is only going to limit what can be achieved even if support were stepped up by that much.

The real problem was the type of weapon sent. No aircraft one example. This caused the amount of weapons to fill in, basic types of artillery ammo to be used in larger amounts. EU and US made a big mistake in holding back very useful systems. American political will is a flexible sometimes whimsical factor which can based on misinformation. Ebb and flow of public temperature during specific periods. (Ukrainian deaths from collapse of apartment complexes don’t get us hot anymore; it’s still too common. Stealing children and moving them in massive numbers to create new social structures so Putin can move people around for fake voting are not even concerning )

And This war is not a financial backbreaker for us. But you are correct, it is political. Financially Healthcare and SS should be taken on.But these are kicked down the road by both parties. Our financial priorities are very fkd up Imo. Tax breaks for the rich should pay easily for so much more. “Estate planners” putting rich folks on Medicaid? And so much more offshore. There is a huge list.Much Bigger than Ukraine in many aspects.

Bottom line for me is not helping Ukraine now will hurt U.S. economy in the future. Our trade with the EU will be at risk. Ukraine is a large country. I expect a careful selection will be made as “sympathy” grows for Russia as they gain an influx of new Russian people and political structure in newly produced “next doors” just like they are doing and have done in Ukraine and so many other places. I have a stake in the future of this problem.

On the other hand, the real sentiment of requiring an authoritarian leader in the US may be more urgent in my case. Purposely making a democracy fail looks very real right now. Alternatives become necessary as they are available.

DMX7
11-29-2023, 10:37 AM
But that would be escalation -- something you want to avoid.

But you would to stop him in that case.

Because it would be worth it.

Pile on that debt.

You're full of contradictions.

We have a NATO treaty. The difference is that defending NATO allies is not optional if we abide by the treaty. Sending blank checks to Ukraine is optional.

FuzzyLumpkins
11-29-2023, 10:58 AM
Our NATO allies are $20b ahead in aid to UKR.

This notion that we are spending extravagantly is ignorant. Of course when they spend we make money a lot of the time because they are buying replacements from the US. Lots of F-35s are being stockpiled in NATO.

Similarly, NATO countries are increasing their own defense spending. This reduces the US security burden.

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ChumpDumper
11-29-2023, 11:36 AM
We have a NATO treaty. The difference is that defending NATO allies is not optional if we abide by the treaty. Sending blank checks to Ukraine is optional.

So staying in NATO is worth all that potential debt to you.

DMX7
11-29-2023, 12:06 PM
So staying in NATO is worth all that potential debt to you.

For now, the benefits outweigh the costs of NATO membership in my opinion.

I think the risk of Putin starting a war with NATO deliberately is very very low.

The bigger concern should be the risk of some type of accident escalating and spiraling out of control. That risk is increased the longer this war in Ukraine goes on.

ChumpDumper
11-29-2023, 12:09 PM
For now, the benefits outweigh the costs of NATO membership in my opinion.

I think the risk of Putin starting a war with NATO deliberately is very very low.

The bigger concern should be the risk of some type of accident escalating and spiraling out of control. That risk is increased the longer this war in Ukraine goes on.

I think the risk of accidental escalation is very very low, so it's worth it.

DMX7
11-29-2023, 12:24 PM
Our NATO allies are $20b ahead in aid to UKR.

This notion that we are spending extravagantly is ignorant. Of course when they spend we make money a lot of the time because they are buying replacements from the US. Lots of F-35s are being stockpiled in NATO.

Similarly, NATO countries are increasing their own defense spending. This reduces the US security burden.

Seems to me that the cost “winning” in Ukraine is extravagant if we go by Ukraine’s definition of winning which requires a huge step up in aid.

Orders for military stuff are coming our way but this isn’t going to offset the costs especially as our capacity to fill them shrinks and we spend more.

If we’re talking about the F-35, I think nearly all orders would have been made without the full scale war. In fact the evaluation process typically begins well before the order. Finland’s purchase actually came before the full scale war.

DMX7
11-29-2023, 12:32 PM
I think the risk of accidental escalation is very very low, so it's worth it.

Not me, especially the longer this war goes on.

We nearly had a crisis when a stray Ukrainian missile killed some Polish people on the border. Imagine if it had been a Russian missile.

I think we’ve been very lucky so far. I don’t want to test the luck a lot further. If you do, that’s up to you.

ChumpDumper
11-29-2023, 12:40 PM
Not me, especially the longer this war goes on.

We nearly had a crisis when a stray Ukrainian missile killed some Polish people on the border. Imagine if it had been a Russian missile.I imagine Russia would've profusely apologized because it doesn't want a hot war with NATO like you keep saying -- unless you want to contradict yourself again and say that wouldn't happen.


I think we’ve been very lucky so far. I don’t want to test the luck a lot further. If you do, that’s up to you.I do because it's not luck and it's totally worth it.:tu

hater
11-29-2023, 01:02 PM
:lmao their Ukraine joining NATO after conceding territory trial balloon burning up :lmao

Hungary said FUCK NO
1. It would start WW3
2. Ukranians are a bunch of Nazi goons :lol

DMX7
11-29-2023, 01:14 PM
I imagine Russia would've profusely apologized because it doesn't want a hot war with NATO like you keep saying -- unless you want to contradict yourself again and say that wouldn't happen.

If a stray Russia missile kills people in NATO countries then I assume we would be force to respond with some type of military action to maintain credibility.

The is the type of risk you’re downplaying. It’s increased by this war.

ChumpDumper
11-29-2023, 01:20 PM
If a stray Russia missile kills people in NATO countries then I assume we would be force to respond with some type of military action to maintain credibility.

The is the type of risk you’re downplaying. It’s increased by this war.

You assume wrong. You do so often.

DMX7
11-29-2023, 01:27 PM
You assume wrong. You do so often.

You assumed I supported the Iraq War. :lol

Ef-man
11-29-2023, 01:33 PM
https://x.com/nexta_tv/status/1729823545058836710

Ef-man
11-29-2023, 01:38 PM
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Ef-man
11-29-2023, 01:39 PM
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paperboy77
11-29-2023, 02:00 PM
US needs to quit footing the bill for these clowns in Europe. Charity starts at home!

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11-29-2023, 03:01 PM
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ChumpDumper
11-29-2023, 03:03 PM
You assumed I supported the Iraq War. :lol

Was a fair bet. It's not like you have a consistent set of beliefs.

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velik_m
11-29-2023, 03:16 PM
Russia limits women’s access to abortion, citing demographic changes

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Terminating a pregnancy is a legal and widely available procedure in Russia, but in recent weeks and months, a flurry of new laws appear to limit abortion access amid fears of further population declines and a push towards conservatism.

In August and November, two Russian regions – Mordovia and Tver – passed laws punishing anyone found to “coerce” women into abortions.

In October, lawmakers approved legislation restricting access to abortion drugs, measures that could also affect the sale of some contraceptives.

Meanwhile, all private health clinics in Russian-occupied Crimea announced that they will stop providing abortions altogether, according to the independent news outlet Meduza.

Konstantin Skorupsky, head of the Crimean Ministry of Health, was cited by Meduza as saying the heads of commercial clinics were urged to stop providing abortion services as a way of “doing their part to improve the demographic situation” on the occupied peninsula.

Other private clinics in Russia have limited the provision of abortions too. Women are pushed instead to go to government clinics, where wait times are long. At these clinics, reports suggest that staff pressure patients to continue their pregnancies.

In some regions, government clinics hold anti-abortion “days of silence”, when the procedure is not performed.
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https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2023/11/28/russia-limits-womens-access-to-abortion-citing-demographic-changes

FuzzyLumpkins
11-29-2023, 03:28 PM
Seems to me that the cost “winning” in Ukraine is extravagant if we go by Ukraine’s definition of winning which requires a huge step up in aid.

Orders for military stuff are coming our way but this isn’t going to offset the costs especially as our capacity to fill them shrinks and we spend more.

If we’re talking about the F-35, I think nearly all orders would have been made without the full scale war. In fact the evaluation process typically begins well before the order. Finland’s purchase actually came before the full scale war.

EU GDP is 6% less than US yet they give over 20% more aid. Extravagant is a relative word and you are comparing our spending to your imagination.

As for the F-35. Countries have been putting in orders for F-35s since 2010. You are missing the point as usual.

Other than your handwringing what economic harms will this spending have?

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Ef-man
11-30-2023, 12:20 AM
https://x.com/Tendar/status/1729997263206838553

Ef-man
11-30-2023, 12:21 AM
On par with US and China :lol

https://x.com/Tendar/status/1729991484500271389

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hater
11-30-2023, 08:41 AM
:lmao :lmao :lmao

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hater
11-30-2023, 08:43 AM
:lmao :lmao :lmao

:lol

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https://x.com/GeromanAT/status/1730214439213744490

"No, it’s the filters in the engines’ intakes. The filters keep dirt and debris from fouling and wrecking an M-1’s delicate—but powerful—engine. They require constant cleaning."

"If an Abrams’ four-person crew neglects to clean its tank’s filters every 12 hours or so, it might so badly damage the engine that the battalion has no choice but to remove the engine, and potentially the transmission, and ship it away for a lengthy overhaul."


Holee sheet :lmao

hater
11-30-2023, 08:49 AM
This one gona cause lot of tears here :lmao

https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1730201341463576917

velik_m
11-30-2023, 10:44 AM
https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1730237246731624944

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11-30-2023, 11:55 AM
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Ef-man
11-30-2023, 12:07 PM
https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1730240566313509092

Ef-man
11-30-2023, 12:09 PM
https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1730191712767599103

Ef-man
11-30-2023, 12:12 PM
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velik_m
11-30-2023, 12:43 PM
Ukraine’s SBU Blows Up Freight Train in Rail Tunnel Deep Inside Russia

The Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) blew up a freight train in a tunnel on a vital rail link between Russia and China, sources have told Kyiv Post.

The operation, conducted overnight, struck in the Severomuysky Tunnel on the Baikal Amur Mainline deep inside Russia, north of Mongolia.

A source in Ukraine’s military leadership told Kyiv Post four explosions targeted the train as it passed through the tunnel.

They added: “Currently, the Russians use this route, including for military supplies. After the explosion, it was paralyzed.”

The source said Russian security services were investigating at the scene and workers were trying to make the tunnel operational again.

There is currently no information on the extent of the damage to the tunnel itself.

Kyiv Post contacted the SBU for a comment but did not receive a response.

Russian media also reported on this incident. According to their information, on Nov. 29 at 10:18 p.m., a freight train caught fire in the Severomuysky Tunnel.

The East Siberian Transport Prosecutor's Office reported that recovery and fire trains were in operation and there are no casualties.

The Russian Telegram channel Baza reported that fuel tank on the train caught but did not say what caused it.

“What caused the fire is still unknown. Police and FSB officers are working on the spot. Also, police officers and employees of the special services work out the places of train parking," Baza reports.
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https://www.kyivpost.com/post/24856

velik_m
11-30-2023, 12:48 PM
https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1730021330907521095

https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1729907977627267570